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Welcome back to the Buffalo Bread podcast. We have a week 11 post game wrap up for you.

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The bills are now on their by week, so we will not be doing a pregame this weekend.

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However, we will tear apart this Buffalo Bills Chiefs game that resulted in the bills winning

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in epic Josh Allen Superman fashion in the last two minutes. 30 to 21, the first team

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in 30 opponents to to achieve more than 28 points on these Chiefs and their vaunted Steve

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Smagnolo defense. Dan, what where are you in your feelings now we are you know it's

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Wednesday following the Sunday game and a lot of the fervor has calmed down but people

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are still feeling very very good. Oh, we're going to be riding high on this one for a

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while JJ. My take is this. And listen, this could be foolish. And as a bills fan I've

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been fooled before. This one felt different, right? Like people went in hedging expectations

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anticipating that if the Chiefs did indeed continue this extraordinarily magical undefeated

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season against the bills, and if Patrick Mahomes indeed was going to go three and oh against

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Josh Allen and Sean McDermott in Highmark Stadium, that we were emotionally prepared

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for that. So everyone was hedging the game didn't mean anything. Well, it's still unlikely

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that the bills are going to get the one seed even if they do win. But JJ, this one felt

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different. All the talk about the bills need to do it in January to me dissipated a bit,

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not because they don't not need to do it in January. They absolutely need to if they see

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this Chiefs squad again. But this one felt different different JJ because it felt like

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a game plan that is finally sustainable against the Chiefs, particularly on the defensive side

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of the ball, which I know we're going to get into. For the first time it felt like from

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start to finish, the bills were the better coach team. And JJ they're also the most

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the more talented team. I think that's fair to say at this stage of both of the roster

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builds of these individual squads. So where do you want to start man because I loved what

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the defense was rolling out against Patrick Mahomes, but Josh was doing Josh things too

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and it's all going to be fun to get into. So you pick dealers choice my friend. Yeah,

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let's let's start with the defense versus the Chiefs offense. Because I think that is

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the easier matchup for this bills team in this game. Even though the Buffalo Bills defense

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is the defense under Sean McDermott, Leslie Frazier and now Bobby Babich has had many,

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many problems with Patrick Mahomes and particularly with Travis Kelsey. In this game, you know,

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it was different. It looked different. And there was a lot of different factors to it.

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I think that we should end the pod in the place where the game sort of ended with, you know,

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our Lord and savior, Josh Allen, our Lord and savior and the offense. But yeah, to get

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into the defense, I think that what we saw the biggest difference I think to point to

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in this game was that the Buffalo Bills defensive line did something that no Buffalo Bills defensive

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line has been able to do. And that was consistent, reliable pressure to support their players

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and coverage by the front four or in some cases, the front three plus a linebacker.

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That is something that we have not seen this bills team do and they got them on the ground

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twice, they hit him, I think seven times, they pressured him over, you know, a dozen

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times. And that was all of the difference in this game for the bills defense versus the

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chiefs offense, a chiefs offense that is much maligned by a lack of talent on the outside

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at wide receiver, they've had some injuries and some inefficiencies. And then also a tight

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end position in Travis Kelsey and Noah Gray, that Gray is probably slightly better than

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a Q Morris level. You know, tight end, he's solid but not spectacular. And Travis Kelsey

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looked very, very old in this game. Dan, he looked slow, he looked old in the bills.

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They did two things to him. And I can talk about these at length in a minute, but just

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in general terms, anytime he was in covered man coverage one on one, it was either Christian

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Benford or Taran Johnson, way more Christian Benford than Taran Johnson, because Taran

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Johnson has had trouble with Kelsey alone. And then when he was covered in zone situations,

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they did sort of kind of a magnet or a cloud zone, where the players dropping into coverage

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mostly linebackers would hit their landmark. But if Kelsey came near, they would be sticky

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to him over the rules of their zone. So they would leave some cushion behind them in order

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to make sure that they were all over Kelsey the whole time.

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And JJ, what you described is an incredible departure from defensive philosophy of this

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Buffalo Bills unit in the Sean McDermott era. We said this last pod almost to the point

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of comic pessimism, that the defense is the defense. And there were a whole bunch of creative

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sets that we hoped the bills would run out there against this chief squad, that we didn't

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have faith that they would. But JJ, not only did they get creative, but to your point,

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they chose to go against type, they chose to go against what they typically put on film

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against the chiefs, and throw something truly unique and truly new at a head coach and an

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offensive mind and Andy Reed and a QB and Patrick Holmes that have seen just about every

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defensive combination you could possibly imagine. And they threw enough new stuff at them at

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the right sequence to stifle this chiefs, this chiefs attack. They discovered that they

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can in fact play man coverage as well. But I want to go back to this concept that you

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rolled out, because I love this term magnet zone, where the rules of the zone apply until

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your primary target comes within range. And then at that point, your job is the man, not

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the patch of green that's in front of you. And that is something JJ that we have seen

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the opposite happen of when the bills have gone up against these chiefs, they are happy

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to guard space and never guard the person that is killing them. And that's why Kelsey's

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been so effective, he kind of leaks out and wanders out and finds nice, quiet places in

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the bill zone and soft coverage that he can exploit. And the bills were not allowing it,

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not allowing it this game. And it was absolutely something to behold. And this was in the text

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chain that you and I were going over, you had a great breakdown of this magnet zone

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stuff. I want you to dig a little bit deeper into it and tell us a little bit about what

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you saw.

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Yeah, so a couple of things they first of all, the bills defense did some things that

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they have watched the all 22 at this point. And the bills defense did some things that

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they usually don't do, in that they did a lot of mix, mix match coverage. And they did

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a lot of outside corners in man coverage on their primary assignment with muddled, you

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know, zones, zone looks in the center, the bills focus in this entire game was literally

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shutting down the center of the field. Patrick Mahomes could have sent a lot of balls to

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the sidelines, but he was unwilling to do so because of the talent of the bills outside

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corners. And that I think was smart, because in the middle, they oftentimes had multiple

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linebackers, they had one of the safeties come down and then they had the deep third,

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the deep middle closed by Taylor wrap Taylor wrap was playing center fielder. Most of the

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game with DeMar Hamlin getting messy in the middle, and coming down closer to the line.

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And that really restricted what the chiefs wanted to do. The magnet zone was the reason

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it was it was unique and it's somewhat dangerous. If you have a team that has weapons that you

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respect and are afraid of. The magnet zone might kill you because the team after a few

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series is going to say, Okay, if you're going to start floating towards Kelsey, we're going

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to like send worthy on a deep over in the extra space that you've just freed up behind

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your your landmark in your zone. And he's going to crush you for 100 yards on the TD,

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like that the reason that didn't happen was the incredible sticky coverage of the outside

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corners. And it was the lack of talent on the offense for the chiefs of having excellent

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outside, you know, corners, or outside wide receivers, this is going to be harder to do

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against a team like San Francisco, like Miami, with really, really talented outside wide

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receivers, because they're going to be able to shake that kind of close sticky man coverage

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and and make some hay in the now stretched apart or condensed zones around the target

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you're trying to focus on. What bodes well for this going going down into the future

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and into the playoffs and things like that is the bills will probably see the chiefs

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again in a critical moment. This this coverage should work again. They do not have a magical,

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you know, Tyree kill coming out of the woodwork anywhere, there's no, you know, additional

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help for them that's going to really strain the bills. Again, if it's strength on strength

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and everyone's healthy.

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Absolutely. And Deandre Hopkins, we don't mean to undersell him and his talent. But

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at this point in his career, he's more of a zone beater. He's more about finding some

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of that open space and kind of sneaky crafty veteran ways. He's not running away from anybody.

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So to your point, this coverage scheme, I mean, listen, and I think the bills have have

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absolutely built off of what the Broncos showed the league a couple of weeks ago against

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the chiefs, which is you should not be afraid to play man against this group. And you shouldn't

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end as long as you maintain past rush lane discipline on Patrick Mahomes, if you can

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limit his running ability and his ability to create out of the pocket, and you can stick

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with man coverage, it is a recipe for really limiting this potent what has been a potent

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chiefs attack. Even though JJ they've been winning close games, this is still an offense

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that by EPA and by most DVA metrics was in the top 10 in the league. And Buffalo really

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had their way with them. I want to flip it back to the defensive line for a moment as

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well, because I feel like we've got a highlight Greg or so, I feel like every pod we talk

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about him, you mentioned the pressure that the bills were so successfully getting against

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the chiefs in this game. And a lot of that started and ended with so on his 28 pass rush

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snaps, he gave he pressured the QB on 17.9% of those snaps JJ. And his time to pressure

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was 2.7 seconds, which means that the coverage on the back end had to hold up longer to

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some extent, because I believe Mahomes time to throw was like 3.3 seconds in this game.

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3.3 average. Yep, something like that. So the coverage had to hold up. But they were

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doing such a good job of getting Mahomes off script off his platform, making him go to

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a second reaction throws that just weren't there. It was this great combination where

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we thought quick pressure was going to have to be the key to this game. Russo himself

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only generated two quick pressures pressures under 2.5 seconds. It was the ferocity of

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the pressure. And it was the location of the pressure as well. We've seen Jerry Hughes

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not to throw dirt on Jerry Hughes Buffalo Bill's grave, get pressure by statistical

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measures on Patrick Mahomes, where Mahomes simply sidesteps Jerry Hughes who runs right

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past him or is guided past him by an offensive lineman. We've seen it time and time again

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with every single edge and defensive line combination. The bills have run against Patrick

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Mahomes. Russo's discipline and not just his quickness and forcing Mahomes out of the

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pocket was a real big difference maker, I feel like in this game. And JJ for back to

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back games, Russo's pressure has also led to a turnover has been attributed to a turnover.

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In this particular game, it was a Patrick Mahomes interception, I believe. So Russo

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is the sack metrics aren't there. But by every other measure, he's getting meaningful pressure.

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He's disrupting QBs and rhythm. And he is creating turnover opportunities for other

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guys on this defense. We talk about complimentary football, we talk about everybody doing their

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one 11th. I don't know that anyone has been more prominent in filling out their role this

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season than Greg Russo has. Well, and I yeah, no, absolutely. Greg Russo is an absolute

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monster. He's a nightmare for opposing tackles, and also for opposing quarterbacks. Part of

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the game script for the bills on defense was to have Greg Russo either uses single arm

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stab to push a tackle into Patrick Mahomes to make him uncomfortable, which happened

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on both sides against both tackles multiple times, or to compress the pocket to make him

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really not feel like he had a stable place to throw from, or to have Greg Russo deliver

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one move to the tackle, and then really quickly scrape inside and run off of the inside hip

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of at Oliver to loop around and just appear in that gap with all six foot seven of him,

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which I saw multiple times on all 22 when you're looking at from the end zone camera

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angle, where Greg Russo appears in what is an open gap in the line. And Patrick Mahomes

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looks like he's about to step up either into it to throw or into it to run and immediately

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changes his plan. And the play Oh, I mean, he duffs it in the dirt, he almost gets sacked.

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It was always a negative play every time Greg Russo came through one of those loops or stunts

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clean. The other piece was that the Buffalo Bill's defensive line not only got pressure,

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but when you get pressure, Patrick Mahomes is so hard to sack. And so they only got him

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down twice. But they hit him many times. And that's because the pressure was good enough

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to get a near sack and to get a clean hit on him. And we know from all the way back

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in the Tampa Bay, you know, Buccaneers Super Bowl against the the Chiefs, that if you put

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him on his on his, you know, high and quarters enough times, his game is thrown. He does

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not revel in the messiness of football. He is not a Josh Allen who needs one good pop

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to feel like he's in the game. He wants to stay he wants his jersey to be perfectly

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pristine and clean at the end of the match every single week. Are you Patrick Mahomes

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soft? I'm calling him soft. Yeah, no, he I've said this for a long really the whininess.

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I started to notice with the whole like, was it juju Smith Schuster lined up offside last

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year or whatever. Was that that was the Kaderius Tony? Oh, there's Tony. Yeah, Kaderius Tony

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lined up offside. His whininess and his like, you know, sore loserness and petulance. That

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that was then. That's when I noticed that trait of his character. He's always been super

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averse to to messy physical football. He's a finesse player. And you know, if that is

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soft, then he's soft. Wow. Wow, breaking news. Buffalo bread thinks Patrick Mahomes

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three or four three times Super Bowl champs. Yeah, it is soft. I love you don't have to

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be tough to be a Super Bowl champion. I love it. But that's how we want our Super Bowl

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champions to be in that's right because we're from Buffalo. This is a good opportunity to

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flip it to the offensive side of the ball before we wrap up. Listen, we could dig in

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a Brady scheme. He went toe to toe with Spags. The run game didn't have much efficacy in

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this game except in the red zone for a couple of scores. This was really a game where the

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bills were able to generate chunk plays in the passing offense, which they were not able

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to do. And that divisional game against the Chiefs last season. And we've been saying

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all year. This is the wrinkle Brady needs we know he can do or we know he can do the run.

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But when a defense condenses down on this Buffalo Bills offense, can he get the chunk

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plays? And this is where you saw the difference maker that Amari Cooper can be not just in

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the fact that Cooper had some meaningful pivotal pivotal catches in this game for explosives.

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But where he slots in and the attention that he commands, when you take away a Trent McDuffie,

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when you put him almost exclusively on Amari Cooper, which is what the Chiefs did, Khalil

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Shakir is going to eat in the screen game. He's going to eat in the slot. And he is a

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yak machine. And we saw them able to generate explosives on place that started behind the

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line of scrimmage on in both the run, but more frequently in the past. JJ, it was a

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great scheme by Brady, but it all came down to Josh Allen at the end, fourth and two.

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And McDermott made a call that I think two or three years ago, he would not have made

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to you, JJ, is this a sign? Sean McDermott, let's say finding his killer instinct, right?

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Because Josh always wants to go for the kill. Josh would go for on fourth and seven if you

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let him, right? Josh has gone for an on fourth and 27.

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He's just say like he runs, right? He's tried to run on a fourth and you know, more than

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20. He absolutely is. He's almost gotten it a couple

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of times too. So is this is this growth and Sean McDermott? Is this a sea change in his

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philosophy? Because he's been getting better on fourth downs. But fourth downs and critical

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game situations against the chiefs is is a place where he has really struggled. Is it

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different this time with McDermott? And is this now the way he's going to coach in these

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high leverage moments? So yes. And I think yes, because he's been

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the second most aggressive coach behind me kept biting Dan Campbell this season.

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Wild. He picked two different guys to be in the aggressiveness metrics when it comes

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to like demeanor. They're both in the top. And so he's been

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right up there this any any has been for a long time. I think last season you could say

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he was one of the more aggressive coaches to the difference is is there's like, I think

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the way that the best way to describe it is for this team to make it all the way over

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the hump to the mountain to the championship. We need a Sean McDermott who's more like

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a Yolo Josh Allen. And we need a Yolo Josh Allen who's more like the steadfast, steady,

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consistent Sean McDermott. And they've learned from each other. And they seem to have have

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taken those lessons to heart. Because Sean McDermott, who's just like himself, would

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kick a field goal to go up by five to then have their soul snatched by Patrick Mahomes

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to get a touchdown in the last two minutes and win the game.

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Every time. Every time. And that and and, you know, Josh Allen,

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who's too much like Josh Allen on fourth and two, maybe not for the heat, that was a total

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Josh Allen play. Let me pick it for one on any number of other plays on like a third

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and seven, where he threw the obvious best smart choice, 10 yard ball to Khalil Shakir,

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instead bombs the 13% completion possibility, you know, sideline streaker to freaking Mack

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Hollins, who has two DBs in his back pockets, right? Like that, I think that what you what

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we need for this team to get it to reach its ultimate goal and why it might be different

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is for Josh Allen to take the smart obvious play with the ball and for Sean McDermott

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to to say, you know, to hell with it. And he even said it in his post game comments

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with the media, we've seen Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reed march down the field and get

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that score anytime they've needed too many times. We cannot play scared. We have to go

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for it. We have to, you know, put it all out there as hard as we can and play for the win.

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And that I think is a massive change. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Before we wrap up here,

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JJ, question for you on this Josh Allen play. Where does it sit for you and your all time

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Josh Allen moments? I gave this one a lot of thought, right?

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Yeah, because like you could take his overall game performances. Like I think about his

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torrid start to the 2022 season where he torches the Rams and the Tennessee Titans in back

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to back weeks. There was of course his coming out party where he leapfrogged and was it

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Anthony Barr on many so many bar. Yeah, there's that one. The Thanksgiving Day performance

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against the Cowboys in 2021 was 2021. Yeah, that was Thanksgiving. Yeah. And then even

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though it was it was an hour 13 seconds, he was the freaking tournament man. So I mean,

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where does this sit for you? I my like Josh Allen performance Hall of Fame at the top

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of it is the game we attended against the New England Patriots. Negative six degrees.

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He he like literally threw a ball away and got a touchdown on it like the toss and knocks

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T. Yeah, it was a perfect game. Every draw every single yard they could have gained they

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gain and he was an absolute terminator that entire game. So that's number one for me.

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This is probably in top three though. It's got me right. Yeah, it's definitely in the

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top three. The only the and the other one in my top three. It's probably not even I

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can't I couldn't tell you which year it was. But it was Josh Allen at Hard Rock Stadium

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in Miami playing air guitar on the 50 yard line after sending a bomb to John Brown, I

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think. I think that was 2020. I think that was a touchdown. Yeah. So that was that was

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the season that like Josh Allen became Josh Allen. Yes. And that was the game. I remember

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the moment in that game. Holy crap. Like he's coming for you league like this guy is dangerous.

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He is the right Josh. That's the moment we knew. Yeah, for me, I mean, it's in the top

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five. I'm with you. Perfect game is there. The Anthony Barley frog just because that

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has become the signature Josh play. Right. That was like the first one, right? Yeah.

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That's like watching the first godfather, you know what I mean? When it was released,

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you know, I mean, I thought his run last year against Pittsburgh in the wild card round.

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What was that a 53 yards scamper insane where he was compared to a Tonka truck on for Loco

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with the heart of a puppy dog on Twitter. Now X now devoid of any real sports media

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talent. Right. Yeah, man. But this this has to be for me. It's in the top five. And my

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guess is as the years go on, if this game means what we hope it's going to mean with

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a sea change for the bills and their approach to the chiefs. This is you could look back

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on that moment and be like, Oh, this is when when we turn the page, this is when Manning

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finally got the best of Brady, so to speak, right? So right now, it's squarely at the

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bottom of my top five with the potential to be a riser, depending on the context by

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which this game is judged in the future. Well, exactly right. This it drops out of my top

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three if the bills, you know, puke all over themselves against the chiefs in the championship

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game this year. I would do I would rather lose to the chiefs playing this this way.

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Yes. Then we have lost to the chiefs the previous few years. Like go out on your shields, boys,

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like play man, get pressure, rush five, get dirty, do everything you can. And if you lose

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this way, I'm okay with it. I'm okay if you lose if Josh Allen gets tripped up and doesn't

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convert that fourth and two into a first down let alone a touchdown. I'm okay. I'm sad today.

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If that's what happens, but I'm okay because McDermott decided to go with his best plan

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that moment, which is Josh Allen, right? If they lose like this to the chiefs, I'm good.

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I like the way the squad is playing. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Instead of Sean McDermott,

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just like really cranking on that small electric safe space heater, he chose to douse himself

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in gasoline and hand Josh Allen the match and that to keep his team warm. And I think

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that it makes all the difference. That is the clip we're going to put out on all of

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our socials to preview this pod. A kerosene doused human torch.

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Immolated Sean McDermott. Freakin love it, man. Freakin love it. All right, well, listen,

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