Welcome back to the Buffalo Bread podcast. We are here today to preview the Bill's Jets
Monday night showdown in week six. Bill's and Jets both coming off of losses and you
know, in a little bit of a situation where the bills looked very, very poor. The Jets
kind of hung with it, but also got absolutely trounced. And so both teams are going to be
hungry for a win. And you know, what you are listening audience are not going to be hungry
for is a guest potter. We've got Jared Seidman back with us as our Jets in house experts
to talk about everything Jets and this upcoming matchup, including the ousting of Robert Sala
today. Jared, welcome to the pod. How are you doing?
Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. I am I am also hungry JJ. And just when you think you can't be
more puzzled with an organization, they just find new ways to mystify. Very excited to
use the two of you as my psychiatrist. I'm very looking much so forward to playing this
role with you, Jared. It's going to be it's going to be great. Welcome. Welcome to our
office. Take a seat on the couch. Let's get started. Before we can dig into any X's and
O's, I do think we've got to talk about the Sala firing. For those of you listening to
this pod, the firing just happened today. So there may be other news bits, tidbits that
have broken about the story since the recording of this pod. But the main feature going is
that Robert Sala was walked out by security from Jets facility today, having no idea that
this would be his last day of work. It is becoming more commonplace, I think for head
coaches to be let go midseason. But this one, this one really struck me as a surprise because
of when it happened because of the timing and because of what appeared to be a pretty
closed silo decision making loop around this decision. It seemed to be all Woody Johnson
making this call really without the benefit of Joe Douglas's advice based on what we know
at this point. So Jared, from your perspective, what do you think about the firing, the timing,
and then what does this mean for the jet season moving forward?
I'd like to start by saying that I have enough humility to not run around in circles banging
a drum yelling I told you so when we last spoke. If you were willing to indulge me,
I'd like to break this down into three pieces. Having just spoken off air about how we all
worked in higher ed, one of the higher ed lessons we learn is there's three sides to
the story. There's what party A says, there's what party B says, and then we determine what's
the truth. Here is what I think the truth is. Okay. And here is part one. I think that
every problem that the Mets have with the Mets, excuse me, the Mets have no problems.
Every problem that the Jets have stems from ownership, hiring people with a great strength
in one category and a gigantic blind spot that they tried to overcome on their own.
Let's start with Joe Douglas. Joe Douglas, I'm hand to God mean this. Joe Douglas scouts
better than any GM in football. I cannot believe how good his drafts have been since he have
taken over the Jets. Joe Douglas manages signings and personnel worse than any GM in football.
And when you put those two things together, you have an average general manager. Hassan
Reddick is sitting somewhere laughing about today, you know, and that's Joe Douglas's
recent attempt. He got rid of LaFleur. Or excuse me, Matt LaFleur is the head coach.
He got rid of LaFleur's brother, who was dynamic in his role as an offensive coordinator, and
brought in Hackett, who is really, really overly vanilla in his offense. And the Jets,
this is a made up stat, but I believe it's true, lead the NFL in play designs that were
made before the year 2007. That is what I believe. The Jets. So problem number one is
lopsided skills with the GM. Problem number two, lopsided, short-sighted GM hires Robert
Sala, a guy who made a killing as a defensive coordinator. What his boss was an offensive
genius that basically said, I, I'm never going to look at the defense. I'm never going to
look at the defense. You make the defense good. And that's your job. And what we're realizing
is that this guy doesn't understand how to lead. And I actually think at some point
in his career, he's going to get another crack at this. Cause I think he does all of the
correct things besides teach offense, develop offensive players and managing turns out your
head coach, be able to do those. Okay. And now here's problem free. Um, as these two
people are on a journey to get, they realize that they're talented enough to win and that
they're not winning and that they're going to need to take a huge risk or else they're
both going to lose their jobs. And they fall for, I guess we'll call it the pseudo event
marketing of Aaron Rogers. You got to bring me in and you got to bring my guy in because
my guy knows how I like to play offense. And my guy will teach these young whippersnappers
how to play football. In my life, I have never seen more missed routes than last weekend's
game against the Vikings. I have never seen that in my lifetime of watching professional
football, there were a minimum of 12 incomplete passes. After a hate over simplifying it,
a receiver, zigging when they should have zahid. So the most recent report that I read
when I hopped on this podcast before I hopped on this podcast was that sources familiar
with Robert Salah's knowledge, which if you've ever had any media experience means Robert
Salah, Robert Salah was planning on firing Nathaniel Hackett today. So what I think happened
based on everything I just shared is Aaron Rogers figures it out. Aaron Rogers goes to
Wooden Johnson and Rogers holds team ransom. And I believe with every part of my being
there's going to be a movie about this like 10 to 15 years from now. And Salah was escorted
out by security because of a heightened confrontation with Aaron Rogers. And the number one thing
that makes me believe all this is three weeks ago, through his agent, Hasan Reddick said,
you guys think I'm ending this holdout. I'm not no rush to be there. It's dysfunctional.
I talk to the players, you don't. They all hate Aaron Rogers. They all think they're
not being coached. I'm chilling. I'll pay my fine and I'll just stay healthy and I won't
take my career. And Aaron Rogers went to his media source Pat McAfee to deny to deny those
rumors. Hasan Reddick looks like the most honest person in the room. And you guys can
charge me whatever hourly fee for that.
And no, it's free today. It's free today. I truly believe that that is exactly how this
went down. And those are the factors. JJ, I have I have lots of questions for Jared.
I don't want to suck the oxygen out of the room, though. Do you have questions for Jared
about this? Or do you want me to hop right in?
Okay, I have one question because I haven't watched as much Jets football this season as
I'm sure Jared has. What? What the actual hell is going on with Aaron Rogers? Like what
has happened to him? What has happened to him? And is it play design? Is it Aaron not
making the throws? What's going on?
I want to give Aaron Rogers credit for one thing. Aaron Rogers still has like to cannon.
Yeah. He's still out there throwing darts. What I think has happened to Aaron Rogers
is time and I can concisely say this. The Aaron Rogers that we're seeing right now has
changed in any way for better or for worse from the Aaron Rogers that we saw explode
onto the scene in 2007, throwing darts to Donald Driver and Greg Jennings, right? Like
he's the same dude. But the game has changed around him. And now he's playing on a team
that is dead last in the league in pre snap motion is first in the league in him calling
plays at the line of scrimmage. And he's got young wide receivers that don't play football
like that. He's got tight ends don't play football like that. And he has two explosive
running backs that when he gets to the line of scrimmage, he does not want to give the
ball to you through 54 passes against the best pass defense in football.
It's ego. This is not this is not the game that Aaron Rogers once dominated. And you
can be as talented as you want. But if you're that stubborn and you're supposed to be leading
the team, your players are going to see through that. And I think that's what's happening
right. Yeah. No, I that's that's a great way to kind of wrap it and summarize that.
I will say I think he's the same. He is the same Aaron Rogers. I definitely recognize
the arm strength there minus the lower body. His mobility is absolutely shot. And you'd
expect that from a 40 plus year old quarterback, right? Like his mobility is absolutely shot.
A 40 year old quarterback recovering from an Achilles injury. And the with Moses being
out for the extent that he's been out to like it. The the depth on the offensive line has
been tested these past two weeks. And it's really failed that test generally over the
season. The Jets have been good at maintaining a clean pocket for Rogers and his second reaction
throws when he's had to move, particularly in that Patriots game. They've looked pretty
good. But I mean, there's only so much there's only so sustainable that can be with a 40
year old QB behind a really patchwork offensive line that is injured at this point, the bet
that Joe Douglas made on signing some of these old injured offensive linemen thus far has
not paid off because they've proven to be injury prone, which is what they were before
they were signed, right? High risk, high reward. And unfortunately, it's been all risk over
the past two weeks for this O line. Jared, I want to I want to zoom out a little bit.
When a team fires a coach midseason, they're normally putting themselves on the market
early saying, Hey, any possible coaching prospect, Ben Johnson, Mike Rabel, Bill Belichick,
slow it out of Houston, who JJ and I had the the unfortunate, the unfortunate is situation
of running into this past week. Like normally, it's an advertisement for we are we are in
business, we will be open. If you're a prospective head coach, though, you've got an aged aging
roster with a QB who I believe is on the last guaranteed year of this deal that he signed.
He's only getting further advanced into the age of 40. If you're a prospective or an
up and coming head coach candidate, outside of this is one of the only 32 opportunities
you have had coach. Well, what is it that the jets are using to attract a new head coach
candidate that is currently on the roster? Like what is appealing about this job at this
stage in this state of the team? This is going to sound corny. But I think
the thing that they're using is a Woody Johnson epiphany. Let me be a little bit more specific.
I can only think of one other team that has a more stereotypical brand of football than
the New York Jets and it's the Chicago Bears. The New York, the New York Jets have never
been an offensive franchise. Joe Namath won a Super Bowl, not being very good at quarterback,
though, though I hear his game with the ladies is very so I just I just think that what we're
seeing here is and we can really categorize this like because you asked me to look at
a big picture. Eric Manjean to Rex Ryan, Todd Bowles, Adam Gase, who I guess you could
count as an offensive coach, but we're going to. I think it's an offensive coach. He was
a coach. Yeah. When the when the jets are good, it's
because their defense is good and their offense manages the game. Their offense has never
been exceptional. And I think what he just saw is we can have a middle of the pack defense,
but the fact that we can't produce offensively with the pieces we have is never going to
win us this league. Forget about getting us deep in the playoffs. We can't win this
league and the person that really stands out to me in all this and I'd love to be right
about him because I like him as a coach is Brian Schottenheimer, who I think was the
best offensive coordinator in the last 20 years of Jets football, who's now 50, who
has still never been a head coach. I think realistically could get a crack at this team.
But I think the epiphany Woody Johnson has is I have to bring someone in offensive minded
who does the exact same thing that. Oh my God, I'm drawing a blink on the San Francisco
49ers coach's name. Kyle Shanahan. There we go. Kyle Shanahan. The same thing Kyle
Shanahan did to Robert Salah. You're I'm doing everything with offense. I need you to run
the defense. I need to give you autonomy and I'm just going to trust you and you're going
to get it done because that's what Jets football does. I'm responsible for cleaning up this
other mess. You can't look at the Jets offense on paper and say to me this isn't this isn't
a wildcourt team at least if they're being coached.
Well, I mean the defense for sure. That's been the case for years with you. The issue
has been the offense. Absolutely. And this is one of those areas where I think I think
you're right to credit Douglas with like he has nailed particularly first and second round
picks well except for the QB position. Right. Like and that is the that is what puts him
in the category of GM's that he is which is like good but not great because he hasn't
nailed the most important position. He's up there with like Chris Ballard in Indianapolis
who builds a solid roster through the draft and free agency every year but has not nailed
the most important position and as a result the team has been kind of wallowing. Right.
So that brings me to my next question. Is Joe Douglas going to be allowed to hire the
next head coach or are you guys because you're in an interesting position. You're only a
game back of the AFC East lead. You guys win on Monday. You are in first place because
of the tiebreaker with the bills in the AFC East. Like you could still make the playoffs
this year but this feels like the beginning of a domino effect where the head coach has
gone the guy who hired that head coach probably is gone but you're still a really competitive
team that's fighting for a playoff spot. It feels like it's it feels weird to be in
this place that you're at in this level of uncertainty when the squad is still really
competitive. So my question for you is depending on how the season goes is Joe Douglas going
to make the next head coaching hire in New York or is it going to be somebody else.
This is a really good question and I want to see what comes out in terms of more information
about the solid following firing excuse me in the next two weeks but I would still say
80 20. Joe Douglas actually keeps his job fascinating. Here is my why he really has
drafted so well and the Jets are a really unique team in that when you look at their
young players compared to their biggest free agent acquisitions their younger players are
all better. They're all better and what I think is going to happen here is I think the
one thing that we don't have is access to the most powerful meeting head coach GM owner
and the more this plays out the more I do get a sense that solid convinced solid convinced
Douglas to sign Rodgers and there's a lot of money tied up with Rodgers. So now the Jets
have to take different financial risks on different pieces. It's the reason why Hasan
Redik is still holding out because he's trying to call the Jets bluff. It's the reason why
they had to bring in off injured players and kind of give them second chances both on
the offensive side of the ball and the defensive side of the ball. And I think he could look
at Woody Johnson and be like listen I tried to give this head coach what it took for him
to cook it handcuffed me and look at look at the ingredients I've brought you through
the draft. That's my 80% why I think he gets to keep his job. But here's what I also will
say. The only thing we haven't discussed is what happens if absolutely nothing changes
with this Robert solid firing like what happens if the Jets really stink up for the rest of
the season. That's the 20% where I'm like he's out. I think if the Jets finish hovering
around 500 you know unfortunately it's two consecutive lost seasons where we're just
talking in hypotheticals but I don't think that's on Joe Douglas we'll have to wait and
see. I'm really interested in seeing what more details.
Yeah it's fascinating because again the roster is good enough. Now it's all a question of
coaching and this is a bet. Like you said if it really was a choice between Salah and
Hackett it's a bet that the offense that I love how you put it the offense that is running
a 2007 playbook another metric to go by motion is like the thing that all offenses do to give
you a read on pre snap read on zone versus man versus who's on what the Jets are running
the least amount of pre snap motion in the league this season and by a lot by a lot.
I say something Dan to just because what you just said is really interesting. I'm not going
to claim to know more about football than I do about the coach the sport I coach collegiate
definitely no more about basketball than I know about football but the thing I know the
most as a coach is organizational leadership and what does it tell you that the only other
person on the staff with head coaching experience at the professional level doesn't even get
mentioned when people are talking about like even the media music well who's the interim
going to be and the subject is because it's definitely not a half kid. It's not it was
so bad and Denver. Right. They bypass the one with head coaching experience and give
someone with no head coaching experience and again on the side of the ball where there
are not problems they're giving him a shot. So I mean what you just said is the thing
that they can't escape. I think it's a foregone conclusion that hack it's out at the end of
the year and I really think that this happened in the order it happened because Aaron Rogers
is threatening to walk because he's a psycho.
He's like I will I will sit the rest of this if you keep solid here because I yeah he so
Aaron Rogers is an absolute nightmare fuel diva like to the point where it's like it's
obscene and it's so funny to like I mean when you watch Jets games you see him with
the side eye and like the judgment he just he does not hot he has he is the worst poker
face in the world when a player disappoints him of anybody I've ever seen in any professional
sport it's ridiculous like he will stare people down when they make a mistake and it's
like what how are you gonna be the leader of a team with that level of ire and distaste
and this is by the way you know after one of the 15 years from now Jets fall apart movie
is gonna be all about this offseason when Robert Salah put a C on Aaron Rogers chest
said lead this team and he said I'm gonna go to Egypt actually I hear there's really
good darkness retreats like I it's insane and like you know I understand how the waspy
contingent of Jets fans wants to see when Garrett Wilson gets mad at Aaron Rogers punks
him out on the sideline and we want to be mad at Garrett Wilson oh you gotta be more disciplined
you can't act like that in the game I don't know man I've done everything that I've been
asked to do and my captain would literally rather do anything then lead this team he
would rather campaign with RFK then lead this team he would rather go on Pat McAfee then
lead this team and you know did you guys hear about the sake one Barkley thing last week
with Dan Patrick I don't know that I'm familiar nope as football guys you will you will respect
and appreciate this say one Barkley drops a pass Eagles end up losing a game late that
drop pass ended up being super consequential yet a contracted appearance with the Dan Patrick
show the next day and he shot Dan Patrick a text that was like I'm sorry to do this
to you it's not right for me to be here you know I have to be I have to be by my team
right now Rogers was going was an advertised guess after the firing on the Pat McAfee
show today and the team pulled him out of it the team called a mandatory team meeting
and pulled him out of the appearance and don't worry guys he's going on Pat McAfee tomorrow
that's who we're dealing with well and it's you know I think that as Bill's fans we we
recognize that because we saw it last year when he was you know everywhere in the media
he could be trying to center stage and main character everyone about his probable return
in an insanely fast timeline from a serious Achilles injury it just just to still be part
of the conversation and it was I think everyone anyone who pays attention to the sport was
like there's no way this person is going to be healthy enough to start a game of football
in January for the Jets if they make it to the playoffs I know I was making a joke before
when I talked about psychiatry stuff but I'm asking this to you you guys are super knowledgeable
individuals about this sport does he not strike you as a textbook narcissist football player
yeah no I mean I mean absolutely I mean I'm not gonna I mean I'm not in a position to
professionally diagnose but I do think the behavior like let's compare it to the great
divas of all time to rel Owens right of recent bills mafia memory and Minnesota Vikings memory
Stefan Diggs these are behaviors and these are things that Rogers is doing that are normally
detractors from team success they earn the ire of the fan base they earn the ire of the
media market that you're in and for whatever reason Rogers seems pretty immune to this
immune for many real criticism or or feedback around these things and I I don't know why
he feels so Teflon when it comes to this part of it is I think he in Green Bay was genuinely
liked by the locker room right up until the last moment right and even as recently as
last season I mean he didn't play a snap he played sorry for snaps for you guys but like
didn't he get some award from the players like most inspiring last year you know what
I mean so like I think the difference is like he is generally well like the ire and the
diva hood and all that stuff is usually outward facing and it's usually attacking people that
are like coming at the team like his most verbal criticisms go to people that criticize
him and criticize the team for the most part and I think I even think back to his time
in Green Bay with the whole relax thing right like we're going to be fine like his persona
public facing is irritating and grating but it is never focused on the people inside the
locker room whereas the tarot tarot Owens Stefan Diggs they go after people that are
sharing the same uniform as them and that seems to be the line of demarcation between
a guy like Rogers getting the buy that he gets versus a guy like Diggs or Owens you
just said something really interesting that we did not really entertain because of Aaron
Rogers really really late MVP in Green Bay that kept him really relevant in terms of
physical ability forget about quarterbacking like I or leadership is physical quarterbacking
ability even when he got hurt and fell off a little bit you didn't really hair as a fan
of the sport because you knew this guy just had this MVP year so what you just talked
about with accountability Aaron Rogers at no point in his professional career has actually
had to field criticism of his play he fielded the criticism on behalf of the team and his
ability to deflect and counter and fight and stand up for his buddies I think always earned
his locker room respect there is no defend the team me I say this way Dan the team did
not throw 54 passes most of which were determined at the line of scrimmage the team did not
throw three interceptions against the best past defense in football the team did not
decide to basically audible about out of every run that was called Aaron did and you know
I hate saying it this way but like the mighty have fallen yeah that's that's great that
is that is a great I think closing statement about this particular quarterback of the New
Jersey Jets we we should pivot now to talk a little bit about the X's and O's of this
upcoming matchup between those jets and the Buffalo Bills as I mentioned on the show open
we are both teams coming off of disappointing losses you know the bills to Houston on Sunday
at one and then the Jets on Sunday morning in Tottenham Stadium in London to the Sam
Darnell led Minnesota Vikings what was that like as a Jets fan to watch Pam Darnell dice
up your team after his you know unceremonious exit having been a selection of the New York
Jets awesome and I mean that's yeah you your vote for the player you you were rooting for
Sam yeah and I what young quarterback has gotten a fair shake for this team literally
since I've been in the high school right so good exactly revenge I like literally if I
had the ability to exclusively schedule the Broncos Seahawks and Vikings to play this
year's Jets team oh yeah that's great um but you know the the only other thing I'll say
concisely is the Jets from an X's and O's perspective are predictable humble side and
I think they've faced a coaching staff that really has their act together and knew what
they wanted to pick on specifically I think somebody in it in a you know a scouting room
on a Tuesday morning in Minneapolis said I think we could get Aaron Rodgers to check
out of all of his run plays and I think we can get him to throw the ball at the middle
and I think we can push him and like really cause chaos and that guy probably earned a
raise right yeah so good for you well I mean you mentioned Nathaniel Hackett's whole scheme
design is from 2007 it's worth noting that Nathaniel Hackett was the bill's OC around
2007 and at that time was also terrible and also his greatest claim to fame was that he's
the son of a state championship winning high school football coach which is the level of
depth and complexity of the offense that he's currently running in the NFL.
I've never seen him this is gonna sound so deeply offensive and I don't mean it but I've
never seen him speak in a full sentence to Aaron Rodgers like whenever they show him
on the sidelines he's you could tell he's just like what do you think Aaron and Aaron says
whatever he wants and he goes sounds good.
Let's do it bucko like let's do I mean that's the that is the hallmark though of a personality
type like Aaron Rodgers they need to constantly feel like the smartest person in the room
and have a platform to do that and despite Rodgers media persona his biggest platform
of validation is being a QB so having an this is why him and LaFleur didn't get along it's
because LaFleur actually had a vision for what he wanted the offense to be and it was
at odds with what Rodgers thought it should be Hackett does not provide that level of
intellectual conflict for Rodgers and that's why Rodgers likes to keep him around all the
time right like a good phrase like he just doesn't challenge Rodgers in a way that makes
him uncomfortable right like that is the that is the warm blanket of narcissism is to surround
yourself with people that will always tell you you're right and that's just what Rodgers
is.
How's that for X's nose right back right back to Freud's drawing board JJ.
Yeah no yeah we wanted to talk play design and where we got to was the again the interplay
of personalities.
That's okay but we can we can bring it back to play design so let's talk about that because
this is a you know this is such a fascinating matchup and Jared I will say that like for
all of the Josh Allen is the Dolphins daddy talk there has been over the last few years
the Jets have really made life hell for Allen particularly when he tries to pass the ball
last year when Brady took over in that in the second game that the Jets and Bills played
in Buffalo it really focused on hammering the weakness that you guys were displaying
that year in the run D and really generated a lot of a lot of EPA per play and generated
a lot of success through the run game that door is still open I would say heading into
Monday to exploit the Jets on the run game but you guys are a little bit more effective
at this point than you were last year your DVO DVO a numbers against the run are about
average middle of the pack whereas last year at this time they were bottom third your efficiency
numbers against the run defensively like you're a top 10 unit right and the bills offense
is not rushing at a particularly efficient rate this year they're still in the top 10
but this is a more I think this is a more favorable matchup for the Jets defense than
it was last season and for me I think this is the place where I want to start the conversation
if over the last two weeks the Texans and the Ravens have shown if you can disrupt the first
thing Joe Brady wants to do which is run the ball with efficacy to keep the team on schedule
he does not have a scheme answer in the passing game to counter that so Jared what is your
confidence level have it heading into this game that the Jets will be able to stop James
Cook and this Buffalo Bills offensive line from running the ball like they did last season
in the second game let me tell you that I have never been less confident in the Jets
in my entire life so I like if they compete they compete I do not expect them to win this
game we start there but to answer your more specific question about stopping the run I
think that Houston and I'm sure you guys alluded to this gave the rest of the league a bit
of a blueprint about stopping the bills and I think another problem with X the nose and
personnels that the bills is going to are going to face is I don't know if they're trying
to shoehorn Keon Coleman into that like you're our guy when the going gets tough we're looking
at you but there were a lot of blunders I mean he got hit in the head with the football
on a slant route that wasn't very good and there were across the board it kind of looked
like the fourth quarter of that game was an audition to see who was going to be the play
making receiver for the bills and there was tons of miscommunications and tons of bad
spots so I think if you're the Jets we build on what you just talked about Dan is you're
going to stuff the run you're going to limit them to what I would describe as your West
Coast style gains okay like I'll deal with the check down I'll deal with a you know two
headed dragon tight ed reception you know and from there we are just going to make them
try to make a big play down the field and when they struggle to do it because we're
going to bring pressure and they struggle to run we're just going to deal with them
kicking a field goal and we're going to hope we can make it and like that's going to be
the kind of game is a 2013 kind of game I think is the Jets strategy I think in order
to use James Cook the way you're capable of don't you kind of get the impression they
have to check down not maybe they can check down but like design short yardage pass to
him more and just give him a chance to break something is that the feeling you get after
the Houston game I mean it's pretty much I was so disappointed in the Houston game that
they didn't do that more because James Cook this season and even last season in any pass
he catches within five to ten yards of the line of scrimmage almost guaranteed he's going
to break the first tackle every single time it's like this is like high praise for James
Cook I don't think he's there he's got a long career left in front of him to kind of get
this sort of level it reminded me of watching Lydani and Tomlinson with the Chargers every
single time Philip Rivers through him a short pass there was always somebody in coverage
nearby he always shook him almost immediately weather through his quicks you know stutter
step something like that or just by like being too slippery for an arm tackle it was all you
know that's pretty much automatic and I was disappointed I think that the bills dominance
in the first three weeks of the season or at least two of the three weeks of the first
you know their wins of the season was largely because Josh Allen was just taking profits
in the short area he was not throwing 20 air or air yards down the field he was not trying
to push the ball outside the numbers and then when the Ravens and the Houston Texans stuff
the middle of the field added more players to the box to shut down the run there was
no the Joe Brady and Josh Allen have not come up with an answer yet for that and that's
the answer that they've needed to come up with all I mean we talked about it in the
offseason JJ we talked about after that KC game the Brady scheme seems designed to suck
in defenses and make them condensed so that you can do allegedly what your rifle armed
alien QB is best at doing which is taking shots downfield I think the QB can still do that
though I'd love to put just a little bit more touch on some of these deep passes as opposed
to throwing the 50 yard frozen rope down the field but that's neither here nor there then
I'm this podcast we say piss missiles sorry piss missiles yes 50 year missiles yeah I had
Jared's relieved he's like because I was thinking piss missile but I heard frozen rope so what's
the attic I could have said it five times when you were talking about Aaron Rangers that's
right so yeah so that will feel free to revisit it when we talk about the Jets offense but
um but so but it doesn't seem like Brady and this was his issue in Carolina knows how to
specifically scheme for players he knows how to scheme concepts and you know this everybody
eats mantra that the bills have been rolling out it feels more like a safety word for Joe
Brady because he doesn't know how to necessarily scheme for individual guys like I rewatched
a lot of that Houston game because I'm a masochist but because I care about preparing for this
podcast and you had MVS running those curl routes and those hook routes that Keon Coleman
is so adept and so skilled at running and he is such a he's a bigger body than MVS it's
harder for a guy like Derek Stingley or Lassiter to plow through Keon to get to the ball on
one of those routes that it is an MVS so like the concepts are there but Brady doesn't seem
to have figured out what the strength of each of the guys he has in this past catch a room
are and to your point Jared if the if the Jets are able to shut down the run I don't
know that Brady has a scheme specific answer yet for how he wants to counter that because
we haven't seen it over the last two weeks and honestly you can make an argument that
we didn't see it in the Aero Zona game which was the first game of the season where the
bills were really challenged that was all just about Josh Allen making plays and not
the scheme alleviating any of the stress on Allen it seems like if the bills aren't going
to run it and they're not going to stay on schedule Brady doesn't know how to go off
of his game sequence script and he doesn't know how to put specific guys in positions
to capitalize on their strengths and I think that's going to be a real problem against
this Jets defense that is still despite all of my criticisms preseason about the Hassan
Reddick thing and not having Jermaine Johnson this is still a unit that is number eight
in the league in generating QB pressure and I think number four in total sacks this season
as well so if you stop the run and you force Josh and a whole not a ball for three seconds
I mean this offensive line is not going to hold up against that that Jets pass rush like
the answer has to be Brady realizing the talent that he's got in the room and who's good at
what and then putting those guys into position to do the thing they do the best not do what
everybody else is doing.
I want to ask the two of you question this is important to me not only as a post modern
Jets fan but also as someone that's interested in the outcome of this in the event that the
bills do struggle continuously to define rules especially in the receivers room where it's
the most missing do the Jets strike either of you as disciplined enough to capitalize
on it not talented enough discipline and what I specifically mean is if Josh Allen is running
outside the pocket with time who wins that battle Josh Allen or the Jets I'm very intrigued
Oh so I will say I'll say my answer in two parts one is should the should the player
Josh Allen is targeting in this scenario you've hypothetically built should the player that
he's targeting with that throw be anyone other than sauce Gardner I think that Josh Allen
wins the snap if I mean Reed is pretty good too so maybe other than those two individuals
I think that Josh Allen was the snap if it is either one of those two it is going to
be a pass interference penalty on the Jets because of the way that they play magic word
yeah the way that they play and I do think I think it's real I think that there's a
lot of you know NFL fan conspiracy stuff out there about the chiefs and you know that
there was one Brady was in the league and I do think that there's some preferential treatment
that the refs give superstars and the top teams I think that that's real I think you can prove
it just by looking at the data around how many interceptions Patrick Mahomes has had
turned over by pass interference penalties versus every single other quarterback in the
NFL over his entire career it is profound and so with be that you know all of that said
I think that the Minnesota Vikings as the new NFL darlings got way more favorable passenger
feeling PI calls against Jets defenders than most have seen because sauce Gardner is the
like the handsiest quarterback in the league Dan's not a fan every play every play every
play just think it's every play and here's the thing alright and and you said the magic
word sauce Gardner overrated so now I have to go on my rant right like I hear all the
time from people in the media well there's there's defensive holding on every pass play
no guys are hand checking guys are fighting for position the difference with sauces sauce
has a a preponderance of going high on guys like shoulder pads and above and to me that's
what makes the style of play reckless and that's what makes a style of play overrated
is that he is willing to he doesn't when he loses hand check and he loses positionality
he goes immediately above the shoulder pads and to me that's just not above board and
that's why I think he's overrated like I would say that he's a dirty player I would even
add that to it and this is where I struggle with the fantasy football vacation of football
understanding because like there's a pretty high bar for shut down corners in recent memory
in New York Daryl Rivas is the best individual defensive player I've seen live and the reason
why you knew that is you never threw to him like the the the idea that teams are willing
to go at him because they're confident they can draw a penalty or they're confident that
somebody could punk him is enough of an indication to me that he's not we're not at that level
with him I think he has I don't want my words to come back to bite me but I guess the way
I would say it is I am less confident in his decision making abilities especially when improvising
than you guys appear to be I understand why he gets the credit he gets like I think Josh
Allen can mess with him that doesn't mean that doesn't mean Josh Allen's head will be in
the right place because he also struggles to make a decision I was just gonna say don't
you can get we all know Josh Allen can do that you can do miraculous things when the
chips are down he also can try to lateral lateral a ball like he's playing Tecmo Super Bowl
or NCAA football 15 you know on a third and 19 while he's 16 yards away from the first
down marker like that's there's there's it is a double-edged sword we have to play the
light in the dark with Josh Allen I do think you're right about the Josh Allen we saw early
in the season and different times especially in the play out like playoff Josh Allen can
100% manipulate a safety or corner with his eyes to bring somebody open just behind their
coverage dump it over for a 40 yard game I mean that's a pretty regular play that bills
fans can experience the question is how the game is going at the time that that play happens
is going to determine whether he does that or throws a cross body interception that's
returned for a touchdown right like because like a guy that watched the Texans yeah or
like a guy who's watched every snap in Josh Allen's career if he is in sugar high Josh
mode it is 100% gonna be a turnover and a messy one or he's gonna take some hit that's just
absolutely horrific to look at and would literally sideline any mortal quarterback for the rest
of his career mate but Josh Allen will shake it off could take some smelling salts and
be back in yeah I want to I want to go back to sauce real quick and I want to tie it into
your point JJ about Josh Allen I think defensive linemen have a greater impact on the success
rate of Josh Allen's game than I think individual DB's do I actually think I actually think
Josh is post snap processing has gotten a lot better over the years the problem is like
does he have enough time or our guys getting separation and that magical 2.5 second window
where we know Josh is absolutely lethal are they getting that separation and hitting the
routes on time in order to let him do that and listen I I think Josh has made a habit
of picking on certain DB's Jalen Ramsey comes to mind like Josh has an amazing pass rating
against him I don't think sauce is going to be a no fly zone in this game and I got a
couple of numbers to tell you why one his QB rating allowed when nearest defender is a
118 for context league average is about a hundred so he is allowing above average pass
ratings catch rate over expected is 8.5% QB's are completing nearly 70% of their past attempts
when they go near sauce and he's already allowed to touchdown this season not to mention that
he is generating one of the lowest tight window throw percentages on the entire in the entire
just secondary at just under 30% like I mean these are pretty average numbers for a DB who
is supposed to be elite and I think Josh is going to be feel fine testing sauce as long
as it's a Khalil Shakir he's matched up on or adult and concade that he's matched up on
I do think sauce is skilled enough to shut down a Mack Hollins I think he presents a
problem for a Keon Coleman but I think if Josh sees the right matchup there is no reason
why you wouldn't go after sauce like he would go after a Jalen Ramsey you know what I mean
so so I think there is a benefit there I want to segue real quick here if you guys are good
with it to talking about the other side of the ball those defense against this Jets offense
and I mentioned that 2.5 second mark that is a number I think that is going to ring very very
important for both of these QB's so heading into this game the metrics are so interesting
Josh right now amongst all qualified passers on quick passes so 2.5 seconds or under is
currently leading the league in EPA per dropback when he gets his throughout in 2.5 seconds Aaron
Rogers is completing the fourth highest percentage of passes in the league this year of passes that
are 2.5 seconds or under these are two QB's who we think of like to hit the deep ball and like
to look for their guy downfield but are at their best when they get it out quickly so for Aaron
Rogers what are the bills need to do and I know the answer is probably feels easy and it's pressure
him but what are the bills really need to do to make Rogers hang on to the ball and question his
first and second reaction throws and I'll put it out to either of you what do you guys think I'm
actually really interested in hearing JJ's take first because it's going to be more bills oriented
because I know what I would do yeah I'm interested so I'll say this I'll say that from a bills
perspective I don't know that you get a better outside corner tandem than Christian Benford and
Russell Douglas for the Buffalo Bills right now in the game last week against Houston they had they
gave up one huge touchdown in Niko Collins and that was all at the fault of the rookie safety Cole
Bishop who's likely to start again this this this week if Taylor Rapp doesn't clear concussion
protocol and so and then on top of that you know digs was targeted eight times and caught four of
those balls all four of his catches were against Cam Lewis in the slot they didn't even try to hit
digs or tank Dell against Russell Douglas or Christian Benford in coverage though they're
playing outrageously good outside coverage they're vulnerable the bills have been vulnerable in the
middle of field and when the Christian Benford or Russell Douglas are the closest defender they tend
to shut things down it's really the problem of the bills missing Matt Milano missing Trell Bernard
for a few games missing Taryn Johnson and all pro slot corner who may be back for this game and so
for me when I'm looking at this the way that the bills can shut down his first or second reaction
throw is to make sure that they get extra attention to Garrett Wilson and Alan Lazard period like if
they can just shade a safety towards Garrett Wilson every play they are going to to go to Aaron
Rogers into check downs and potentially making some risky throws because he I mean he targeted
Garrett Wilson like what 2018 times something it was ridiculous he was the most targeted receiver in
the NFL last week yes yeah so I'm actually I want to combine your two things because I think you
both said really interesting things and I think JJ's completely spot your comment about Aaron
Rogers aptitude in short yard situations is the thing I really want to zoom in um Derrick
Wilson's receptions while you know fantastic if you own him in a PPR league we're nothing burgers
you know even when he gets cheap touchdowns he's catching the ball for five yards almost almost
every time and when he asked to actually rely on a routry option or an adjustment at the line of
scrimmage there's a miscommunication on almost every play so I think that you know it's hard for me
to say is zone the answer is man the answer because that is when you're playing into the hands of
regardless of how I feel about Aaron Rogers the person a you know a unanimous first bout
offing the flip though is I think if we bunch up five to ten yard stuff and the only five yard
option we allow is something that could potentially be five yards on a check down but he catches the
ball behind the line like JJ's talking about or a like one step drop quick sling which is his
bread and butter right now title is Arles catch the ball and we're gonna treat it like it's a run
play and we're gonna stop you for runs four yards or less I think that's your strategy because then
what happens is he gets impatient he tries to beat you deep and the jets have not illustrated forget
about Aaron Rogers arm all of his deep balls never end up within 10 yards of receiver because
someone makes a mistake so force them to do to prove that they can do that without making a
mistake I don't think they can I what is your confidence level JJ that the bills past rush is
actually gonna create a problem for for Aaron Rogers the bills right now are the 17th team when
it comes to pressure rate which is extraordinarily low Babbage dialed up some blitzes against CJ
Stroud and which we talked about the Houston give them were wildly ineffective Rogers tends to be
better than average against the blitz so is the solution hope that your organic four man rush
is gonna get to Rogers or do we see Babbage dial is something a little bit more exotic to try to
fool Rogers into making some mistakes questioning his read or second or holding onto the ball
because I'll be honest with you I don't think Greg Russo KC to hill at Oliver if he plays in this
game like I just don't think I've seen enough against quality offensive lines from this defensive
line have any confidence that they're gonna get pressure I yeah I mean I'm with you and and being
really underwhelmed by the defensive line and even all the way back to the games that the
bills were winning and the defensive line look good largely that was because the defensive line
could pin their ears back and not have to stay disciplined and run defense it with Braylon Allen
and Breece Hall like if this game is close throughout which I think we all sort of think it might be
there is no way that those those four down linemen for the bills no matter what rotation is in at
that time are going to be able to just keep pass only because that would that was it like the the
best games we've seen from Von Miller Greg so Von Miller's of course suspended right now but
Greg Russo KC to hill with a good rush Javon Solomon the rookie with a good rush most
of those situations were like long and late downs when the bills were ahead by two or more scores
where the team absolutely they knew that the opponent was going to pass that being the only
time that the bills pass rush shows up tells me that the only way they're going to affect Aaron
Rogers is delayed delayed pressure with Terrell Bernard because I think that even though you're
sacrificing your best coverage linebacker he's also incredibly efficient when rushing and especially
on delayed kind of where you just let him choose a gap in the middle three gaps to shoot one second
after the snap and hope that Aaron Rodgers you know the coverage as I mentioned before is smudding
things up enough that he can't get that first read because that's one way I think that they can do it
but I agree I mean in the Houston kind of recap Bobby Badges Babbage's Blitz's were not effective
against CJ Stroud and I think that Aaron Rodgers is a better player at replacing the Blitz with
the ball than CJ Stroud is in this point in his young career and so but I did see some vulnerability
when I rewatched the Minnesota and New York game from last weekend Aaron Rodgers was not great at
shifting protections and there were a few times that free rushers particularly nickel Blitz's
were just straight on top of him like and that's something that you I don't know what's happening
I don't know if that's communication issue with the line I don't know if that's a communication
issue with the wide receivers I know that that was something that happened to Josh Allen too
is that there were players who should have been hot reads with the blitz free blitz are coming
who didn't even look for the ball in the bills game it's same thing happened with the Jets and so
that's you know if the bills are looking at that if Bobby Babbage is paying attention you should see
you know who who am I going to target and hope there's a communication issue because that could be
huge impactful play and Aaron Rodgers tends to play worse after he's gotten a little bit dirty
in the pocket and taken some hits because I mean age you know injuries etc yeah absolutely last
question and then I want to move on to predictions sure to go wrong for this do we think the Jets
have a get right game with regard to their rushing attack against the bills the bills rushing defense
is absolutely atrocious but by metrics not talent the rushing efficiency rating of the Jets has been
somehow worse so the bills are ranked 22nd in rushing defense this year in rushing defense
efficiency and they're ranked 24th in overall DVOA the Jets are 28th in rushing rushing offense
efficiency and 27th in offensive rushing DVOA like I hear Breece Hall I hear Braylon Allen I hear
a Nate Hackett scheme which he spent time with the floor if he can do anything it's scheme up a run
game but this run game has been non-existent for the Jets particularly over the last few weeks
is this a get right game for that because it feels like the key to to the key to sort of
limiting the bills defense and their ability to rattle Rodgers is to simply let him hand the ball
off and attack the bills where they're the weakest do we think offensive coordinator Aaron Rodgers
will allow himself to be taken out of the game early in that way and do we think he'll hand it off
or is he gonna want this to be the Rodgers show now that Sal is gone I'm really happy you asked
this question the way you asked it because I have this daydream sequence where O'Reach has grabbed
Nathaniel Hackett by the collar and said to him if Breece Hall does not have 25 touches by the end
of the fourth quarter you're out of the job and the Jets were competitive last season they weren't
good enough to make the playoffs but they they won more games than some because of the amount of
touches they were able to get to Breece Hall they have more depth at that position now because they
stole it and what we're looking at to me is the ultimate Aaron Rodgers I just surrendered the
whole franchise to you can you set your ego aside for one week and I don't think you can do it which
is why I think that the bills are going to win the game fascinating oh my god that's a great segue
into prediction sure to go wrong let's hit it all right let me tell you guys where we're at here
so this line opened at bills favored by two and a half it is down to two which means that there is
some some thought here that the Jets might pull this out especially after the solid firing over
under on this game is 41 points that is the lowest over under we have seen as of yet for total
points scored for a bills game this season so the bills are slight favorites heading into this but
it doesn't feel like it doesn't feel like either team should be a favorite at this point
at this point with the way they're playing into this but a fce supremacy is on the line so Jared
being in our guest host spot let's start with you what is your final prediction for the score of
this game I think the bills are going to win by three touchdowns damn oh I don't think they're
going to score three touchdowns all right let's let's hear it nothing like nothing like two people
that are invested in voting against their respected factions this is why you fit so well on the
lot here you're viable realistivity with your team is amazing this is not
the same problem that the Jets had but with Robert solid coaching them has not been resolved
let's really make sure we have this down they fired the defensive guy who has a good defense
because the offense is not performing and the offensive guy is still there
so what happens to the Jets they either give up a couple big plays early or they're on the field
for three times longer than they want to be defensively and they give up a couple touchdowns
the last time I saw the bills angry after a bad performance was dunk was uh excuse not Douglas
was Brady's first game as offensive coordinator and they drilled the Jets into the ground I was
there in person to watch the public burial it was so I think we're looking at a very similar
situation I do not think this is not the Jets locker room is not a locker room that's cohesive
they're not a locker room that's together this whole working rally around the new coach doesn't
work as well when the team's not invested and until the Jets can prove for multiple weeks on
edge that they're invested in improving as a team and growing together I will not
predict them to win a game or compete in the game
gut my gut 30 to 13 wow all right bill's 30 burger JJ what about you
yeah I think this uh I think that you see a couple of things here I'm gonna base my answer on
on historical data so what we have with the historical data in Josh Allen's career is that
he's uh pretty pretty terrible against the Jets uh for some reason another I know Sala was part
of that and the way that they played him was was part of that but I do think that there's just
something about it and it's it's on the road it's on Monday night um so those are factors that are
probably gonna play against Josh Allen a little bit I do recognize your points Jared and I do agree
that before this past week against the Houston Texans the bills were the winningest team coming
off a loss and in Sean McDermott McDermott's whole career right like they they do not stack losses
but seeing how inept they looked against the Texans on offense has me very worried in that
the Baltimore Ravens set a blueprint the Houston Texans followed it to a tee and the bills didn't
have an answer if Khalil Shakir can play I think the bills will have an answer he is a very very
good player he is I think he is exactly what they need to open things up when nothing else is working
and that he can separate even from very good corners so I think that that's a big component I
think that if Taylor Rapp is playing then that's a big component component um at Oliver as well
could can press the middle of the pocket which is you know kryptonite for Aaron Rodgers um especially
with his liminal mobility of age and injury so really for me it's if the bills players who are
injured are able to get back for this one and Taryn Johnson I mean this is a complete x-factor if
he's in I think the bills win just period regardless of any of the other player status um I'm saying
bills 24 jets 21 I think it's gonna be close I think it's gonna be tight at the end I think that even
if the locker room's not cohesive I think that Aaron Rodgers has an his ego might might carry
him to greatness in this situation of proving that he was it was correct that he remains in
solid is gone all right um I'm gonna keep this short and sweet um I have never picked the bills on
this podcast to lose I am picking them to lose until until Joe Brady shows me a counter punch
or an ability to scheme for a guy on that on that offensive team offensive pass catcher room
I just don't think right now the bills have the firepower to crack through what is a solid
imperfect but solid jets defense the jets have played the bills extraordinarily well at home
over the past few years too and breeze hall has had some of his best career games against the
bills bills can't stop the run if they choose to unlock braille and ellen and breeze hall in this
game I think the jets win pretty handily I think final score is jets 21 bills 17 I think the bills
are gonna go down they're gonna go to three and three we're gonna hit our very typical panic mode
that we hit with bills mafia where this team is 500 where they shouldn't be and then a whole
bunch of calls for mcdermot to get fired are gonna get a lot louder so that's where I'm at with that
three okay there what are like three super polarizing predictions I know really we're all over
them one of us is gonna hit someone's got a hit right but like they're all we're all mired in
recency bias and I'll admit it for me of what we've seen out of our squads over the last few weeks
right for me I've lived this I've lived this movie with the bills before where they look like absolute
world beaters and then they just hit an impossibly rough stretch where it seems they lose in a new
way every week I think they're gonna find a new new way to lose in this game and they're gonna
all gonna say the same thing after the press conference our backs are against the wall but
we've been here before and we've done this and we know we can come back and sure maybe you can
but shit wouldn't it be nice to have a two game lead on the Jets heading into the next quarter
of the season opposed to half two rattle off seven straight wins like you did last season in the
year before to even compete for the division like you don't need to always play with your backs
against the wall but I don't think this coaching staff or this roster constructed like knows knows
how to not do that if that makes any kind of sense this seems to be where they are most comfortable
when they are 500 when they shouldn't be and everybody is doubting them and they've got to
make this impossible run of wins like I again watch this movie before the bills will lose
they will be 500 heading into their next game against the who is it is the do we get the Titans
next Titans then Seahawks yep yeah heading into their next game against the Titans that'll be some
stupid 17 to 9 game that the bills somehow pull off right like we've just seen the script with
this squad before and we talked a little bit about it in our sorry I said we keep the short and
sweep but now I'm now I'm off we talked about a little bit about this in our Houston recap like
the roster turnover the coordinator turnover the consistency that you can hit every single
beat of a bill season has everything to do with the head coach and until that changes this is the
way this team is going to play so they're going to lose they're going to be 500 and the Jets are
going to be three and three in first place in the AFC East one is all sudden done at the end of this
week all right let's move on to some props um I've got two James Cook and as a combo deal
breeze hall over under 75.5 rushing yards apiece I think I think both teams are going to attack
the opposing team in the run game I just think the squad that doesn't if they don't they're
dumb right with how bad both of these defenses are against the run I think it could be a big day for
both running backs where you guys at with that I'll smash I'll smash the over um I'll probably fail
on it because I could see breeze hall easily getting 75 against this bill's defense I think
that James Cook will probably have 150 all purpose yards but maybe more of them are in the pass
then then in the run I don't know that he gets 75 of them half of them in in running traditionally
between the tackles or outside I think that'd be a good sign for this bill's offense if he if he
can jack up his past catching total so yeah I would take that Jared what about you I'm with you Dan I
think this isn't easy over JJ has me second guessing myself because I was thinking about total
yards not rushing yards but I still think based on the plan of attack and the recipe to beat the
other team that is going to be your own head I'm going to take I'm going to take the over for hall
because again I just think the jet the jets would be supremely dumb if they didn't take advantage
of his success against this bill's team the the bills for cook I think I'm gonna I'm gonna also
take the over but I wouldn't surprise JJ to your point if it is the under because there is still
some weird personnel groupings that are going on with the bills at this point I just I just don't
know where they're at they cycle out cook way too frequently for me they seem reluctant to give them
the ball in traditional run game like right now he's their most Josh Allen included their most
consistent offensive weapon I have confidence he's got the ability to do it I don't know that the
coaching staff will put him in a position to succeed and do it is my only hesitance but yeah
I'll smash the over on both I've got one more but I want to kick it to you guys any prop bets you
want to throw in here I've got just one over under two and a half sacks against Josh Allen and
Aaron Rodgers is this another combo yes combo you got to give me an over or an under for two and a
half on either Josh Allen or and or Aaron Rodgers I think Aaron Rodgers is definitely gonna get sacked
three more times okay I would not take it on Josh Josh is so hard to bring down but the jets are one
of the teams that have had success in doing it and will mcdonald in the absence of germaine johnson
has proved to be an absolute world beater he is currently recording the highest pressure rate for
any defensive end with 50 or more past rush attempts this season and he's speedy and athletic enough
to chase down Josh so I you know I'll take the over for both right I'll take the over for both I
am gonna hit the under for both because I think that this is the that both teams are gonna be
anxious about that I think that that's the one piece that both offensive coordinators are gonna
try to minimize as much as possible the time that the Aaron Rodgers and Josh Allen are holding the
ball given Aaron Rodgers and Josh Allen both taking a bit of a beating last week and showing some
signs of you know potential injury slowness you know those sorts of things all right I'm gonna I'm
gonna piggyback off of that because my last prop is a sack one and then Jared will kick it to you
if you got one for us Greg Russo over under half a sack does he come out of what I like to call
Jerry Hughes territory JJ wherever god why are you gonna talk my guy like that well I'm just saying
like so here's the comp Jerry Hughes last season had one game where he set QB five times four times
finished with six sacks on the season Greg Russo has had one game this year where he has recorded
his entire sack total for the year which is three and that was the Arizona game over a month ago
doing a great job getting pressure not doing a great job bringing the QB down does he get out of
the Jerry Hughes zone and record a sack or will it just be pressure maven all the way uh I think he
does I think he gets a sack of his own or at least a half sack yeah Jared is that what you're at too
Rodgers is a statue this is gonna be like watching major league but it's football
they're gonna like I really think the Jets are gonna burn this guys amazing um I'm gonna say under
and the only reason I'm gonna say under is Russo has not proven that he can be a reliable solo sack
getter without someone like a von Miller on the opposite side of him and with von still out and
epineza being okay but not like consistently great on the other side I just think they're
gonna key in on Russo and I just don't think he's gonna have it so I'm gonna say under I don't
think he records a sack but I hope I'm wrong I hope I'm wrong about all of this let me just put it
that way Jared do you have a prop for us I mean I not not game pertaining you be prepared you know
over or under times Jared is gonna stand up and yell I effing told you so with television I would
set that at 10 and a half um I'll take the over on that I will take the out I will take the over
as well and then it should be followed up by they should just hire me to run this thing
I don't know enough football but I'll listen better I swear oh god amazing amazing all right well
it has been uh I hope Jared I hope you got what you were looking for out of this a little catharsis
we appreciate you guest uh guest hosting with us as well it's always great to get your insights on
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