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Alright, welcome back to the Buffalo Bread podcast.

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JG and Dan here with you and we are one week away from football.

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The kickoff game happens this coming Thursday.

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It is Friday, August 30th and we have a 53 man roster for these Buffalo Bills whom we

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love.

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Dan, what are your thoughts, my friend?

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My thoughts are that we are one week closer to meaningful football being played than we

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were last week and I am very ready to talk about the 53 man.

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A ton of surprises I think based on how training camp was playing out but I think now that

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the roster is solidified, JJ, easier for us to talk about some of the open question marks,

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some of the areas of real strength for this unit and it gives us our best idea yet of

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how we feel like our Buffalo Bills are going to match up against their 17 team schedule

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to date.

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Obviously, we are going to get more info as they play more games but the 53 man is a

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good place to start as any to figure out what kind of season the Bills are going to have

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so I am ready to dive in.

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Very good, very good.

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So I guess we will start, you just want to start at the top with the position groups

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each as they go.

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JJ, starting with the QB room I think makes the most sense.

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We all know that Joshua Patrick Allen is our force multiplier on this roster and regardless

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of whatever strengths and deficiencies are present in the other rooms, the fulcrum for

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our success constantly swings around JA17.

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So starting with the QB room I think makes a lot of sense.

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So JJ, your thoughts on the composition of the QB room?

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It's such a fun, it's like such a foregone thing for all of the Bills Mafia because if

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Josh Allen is good then we are awesome and if he is down with injury or missing for any

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period of time we are absolutely fragger neckl screwed.

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So with that Mitch Trubisky I think they signed him into a two year deal then I think they

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may regret that because he is, he looks like he was inefficient and you know spectacular

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in his last visit in Buffalo and then he went to Pittsburgh and sucked worse and then came

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back to be yet worse again which I didn't think was possible.

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So I don't know, I get the tools right like he has the kind of tools that Josh Allen might

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have in terms of physicality.

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But he just does not, it seems like his will is completely broken.

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So behind Josh Allen the QB room is there's nothing to really talk, speak to.

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I think that the fact that they got Mike White on the practice squad is probably the most

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substantial thing outside Josh Allen.

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But again the team goes as JA17 goes as you have so aptly said.

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Absolutely.

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I think, and I agree with your take on Trubisky, we talked about a last pod.

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It's a lot of guaranteed money for a backup QB that has shown us who he is in this league

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and that is someone who is largely ineffective.

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Other than having some of the same physical measurables as Josh Allen, there's not a lot

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in the game plan that he can replicate particularly with his lack of short area yardage accuracy

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which it feels like and we saw a sign of this with Joe Brady last year, they just want to

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be free yardage merchants.

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If people are going to play with light boxes against them and they're going to play cover

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two and they're going to take away the deep ball from Josh, then Brady has schemed up

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successfully last season and it looks like heading into this year, a scheme that will

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take advantage of that short area yards, which I think is why the signing of Mike White

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is somewhat significant.

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This is a dude who has successful starting reps in the league for a New York Jets squad

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that was underperforming offensively at the time he took it over and he's able to spark

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them simply by getting the ball out quickly and on time.

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You and I joked this 400 yard game against the Bengals is like career breakout moment

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fed mostly by the 80% of those yards that came after the catch.

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But if you're going to run the route concepts that it looks like Brady is going to run based

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on everything we've seen in camp, you just need a guy in a reserve situation who hopefully

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only has to come in for a couple of games.

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And if you can keep the offense off on time and take advantage of some of those quick

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game routes that Brady wants to build into short area situations, Mike White is a good

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at any who can exploit some of that stuff against opposing defenses.

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So I think make listen, may this never come to pass.

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But if Josh has to miss any time whatsoever, I could actually see the team quickly elevating

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Mike White over Mitch Trebisky and putting him in for some starting reps.

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And I think that he even joked with the media that he made a condition of his signing with

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the bills that they keep Matt Milano away from him.

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And so the fact that Matt Milano is on IR I think is appropriate and maybe he may not

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have signed if he was going to be sharing a field with Matt Milano at any point in time.

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Those two forever linked in internet meme land.

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Ever linked an internet meme and also I'm pretty sure that if you tested either of their

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bodies you'd find the other person's DNA from that one hit two years ago.

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Like it's no LinkedIn more ways than one.

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I think that probably they're going to pass on each other's genes if they ever procreate.

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That is the that's the QB room.

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I think that's pretty pretty cut and dry.

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There's not a lot to say.

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The next room is one that I'm super excited about the running back room.

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Somebody I think it might have been on one bills live or somewhere commented that James

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Cook had like the quietest 1500 yard from scrimmage season anyone's had in the past

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10 years that people are sleeping on him.

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And I was just talking to a buddy today about fantasy football and I mentioned that James

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Cook went like the seventh round in my draft and I was able to snatch him up that late,

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which was I felt like a massive coup because even if he's not getting goal line touches,

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I think he's going to have a reasonable production game after game as long as he stays healthy.

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Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more.

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A little concern JJ about the amount of drops that he has had in training camp.

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This is something that we wanted to see cook really course correct from last year.

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Last season you could count it.

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He had three, maybe four wide open touchdown receptions in his hands from Josh that he just

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wet hit the turf last year.

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That being said though, the Brady scheme really does involve getting running backs involved

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in the passing game.

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And there is nothing at least that I've seen coming out of camp that suggests that he may

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that he won't play a role in the past game when they get into the red zone to your point,

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it's going to be a different story.

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He only got about 23% of the red zone reps last season with Ray Davis in the backfield

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and his catching ability out of the backfield.

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I don't think it's going to be an increase in workload in the red zone for cook, but

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he brings a ton of value in keeping the chains moving, being a threat in the traditional

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run game as well as the passing game as well.

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He is by and large, I feel like by the bills best weapon out of the backfield is going

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to be key to keeping that offense running.

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When you look to replace the production of a Stefan digs, there's not any individual

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guy who's going to replace that production for you very likely.

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But what cook brings to the table is the ability paired with some other guys to bring some

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of that production in the aggregate at the very least if you want to money ball that

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situation.

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But cook is going to be an important piece of this offense JJ.

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And I think we all got to remember too, he didn't get going until Brady took over the

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reins of play calling.

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So we only got a half a season of productive James Cook this year at 17 straight games.

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I'm really looking forward to seeing what cook puts together in this offense.

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Absolutely.

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And I think to the scheme definitely fits him a whole off season of preparing for scheming

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him up fits him.

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And then I do think that Ray Davis is probably going to be a 500 or 600 yard back in this

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league from scrimmage with additional probably two or 300 yards receiving because I do think

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that he's a perfect spell for James Cook and his physical style.

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He's a little bit more durable is a little bit more thicker in the lower half.

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So I think that Ray Davis is going to be an excellent kind of thunder to James Cook's

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lightning in that we saw that great season from James Cook and a really good season

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rushing the football from basically the same exact offensive line without a reliable backup

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runner because most of the season it was the old one who what the hell was his name he

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played for the Raiders for a long time.

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You're thinking of oh God why am I blanking on it now we're both blanking on it now.

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What is wrong with us.

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Hang on I got it right here.

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He's a local guy.

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He's a local guy.

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He's from Syracuse.

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Yeah.

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Tavius Murray.

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It's such a unique name to how would we forget it.

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Yeah Tavius Murray was the oldest running back in the league and was their option and

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he looked awesome for the first three weeks and then he absolutely tailed off and clearly

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the years had caught up with him.

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So the fact that they have fresh legs and Ray Davis immediately behind James Cook and

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then Ty Johnson is still there and looks healthy and they saved Daryton Evans who had a pretty

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good preseason as expected to return player which was surprising that there's only eight

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of those designations that you can use in a season and they used two of them on Darynton

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Evans and Matt Milano.

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So they looks like they have a plan for Darynton Evans.

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It's because otherwise you wouldn't.

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Yeah.

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Yeah it's probably the return games.

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He showed some chops on special teams and that is an area I think of real concern this

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season.

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We'll get it to we'll get it get into that when we talk about the cornerback room.

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But Evans has real return game chops which I think is the reason why they tagged him

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with that designation.

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But also he got the nod over Frank or Jr. who I know is a fan favorite coming out of

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training camp.

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Luckily he made it back to the practice squad too.

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I think too with Ray Davis what I like about this is that he is a capable backup to James

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Cook but unlike Latavius Murray last year the coaching staff will not unless Cook is

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an absolute dumpster fire will not be looking for reasons to insert Davis over Cook for

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the majority of the snaps before they hit the red zone like they did with Murray last year.

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The James Cook stuff for the past couple of seasons right up until Brady took over to

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me is just the weirdest management of talent I've ever seen.

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He's in for some.

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He's out for some.

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The reality is he's a much more well rounded runner Cook than I think he gets a lot of

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credit for.

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He rushed for 1100 yards last season and then rushed for 1100 yards last season and JJ

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half of those yards came after contact.

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He was averaging just about three yards a carry after initial contact.

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You pair that with the elite push that this offensive line was able to generate last season

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and dude could fall forward and get nine yards.

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It was a really great pairing of offensive line scheme and talent running back and I'm

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looking forward to seeing that maximized over a full schedule so long as Cook can elevate

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his game here this season the way we need him to.

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So JJ JJ let's move on because running back is an exciting one but this is the unit here

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and I don't know if you want to talk about room specifically or talk about this group

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as a whole but we have past catchers up next.

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We've got our wide receiver room and then we have the tight end room and I think it

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might be more effective to talk about them together only because it looks like in this

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scheme and we saw this last year there are going to be multiple pass catchers out on

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the field with Josh at the same time even though it might not be in the traditional 11 personnel

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type of package with three wide receivers that were used to seeing from other teams

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and even from these Buffalo Bills very recently.

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So do you want to talk about these rooms individually or talk about the package deal my friend?

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No let's talk about the entire assemblage of eight players which would be to run through

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it on the 53 Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman, Curtis Samuel, Matt Collins, those were all

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the expected anticipated top four wide receivers and then Marcus Valdez Scantling who I don't

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know I'm guessing the coaching staff sees something in him in practice and in the meeting

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rooms that everyone else can't see because he did not look good at all but he got one

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of those coveted five spots while they let other people like Terrell Shavers and Justin

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Shorter and still others like India Isabella, Kajik Hamler, all those guys are gone and

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then some of them have returned to the practice squad but MvS is on the team and injured no

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less and then the three tight ends Dalton Kinkade, Dawson Knox, Quentin Morris.

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I think what you're going to most likely see as you can have five players out and routes

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in any particular play is some combination of Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman and Curtis

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Samuel and then Dalton Kinkade and Dawson Knox or Dalton Kinkade and Matt Collins.

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You're going to probably have Matt Collins and my guess is that when there are four

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catchers, pass catchers, you're going to see three wide receivers and one tight end and

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then they're going to be in 12th personnel with two receivers and two tight ends occasionally

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when they really want to run the rock.

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And if they really want to get weird with it, put Curtis Samuel on the running back

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spot let him run her out out of the backfield too.

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Oh, I can see them run in some 22 personnel with Curtis Samuel and James Cook in the backfield

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and both Dawson Knox and Dalton Kinkade on the field.

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I actually want to see that very badly.

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Absolutely.

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And JJ, this is a unit that is with the way Kinkade is so fluid with his routes, so deceptive

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with his motion and with his cuts, his ability is uncanny to find space against both man

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and zone.

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You got to imagine this is going to be a season where for the first time, maybe ever, we need

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to look at this.

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You're going to have a tight end on the Buffalo Bills potentially lead this group, this pass

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catching group and both targets, receptions and potentially yards.

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I just feel like he's not just going to be a safety net for Josh with the way he can

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get open and get separation.

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I feel like he's going to be a game breaker.

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And what we didn't see a lot last year out of Kinkade, but we saw this in his college

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tape and in his college game at Utah, his ability to exploit the seam as well.

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I think this is something that as we talk about the bills needing to develop more deep

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threats down the field to balance out this offense and keep opposing defenses honest.

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Other than MVS and I would argue Khalil Shakira's got great long speed.

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You don't have a lot of traditional downfield burners and this wide receiver pass catching

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group.

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I wouldn't necessarily sleep though on Kinkade opening up downfield by exploiting the seam

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all out what Rob Gronkowski did on so many of those New England Patriots teams that also

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didn't have an elite deep threat at wide receiver.

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too deep safeties and a split coverage look, the middle is open most of the time.

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And if those teams are expecting a nickel corner or a linebacker to carry Dalton Kinkade

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all the way up the middle of the seam, it's not going to happen for them.

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I expect them to, I hope that they run some concepts where they have Dalton Kinkade do

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some double moves where they get him into the little hook zone right behind the linebackers

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or out to the hashes.

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And then he runs a double move off of it towards the post straight up the gut because if teams

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get really cute about trying to cut off that hook route, they can get absolutely burned

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by him just turning around and running straight upfield.

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And the bills have shown that they schemed a couple of different things in the playoff

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game against the Steelers.

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Dalton Kinkade caught a seam route for a touchdown that was an absolute dime from Josh Allen.

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And both he and Josh Allen said that before that play went, Brady basically dialed it

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up and he was like, it's going to be there because we're getting the looks we want.

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That's the kind of scheming open that I think that we're going to see this year on the field

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with Dalton Kinkade getting more opportunities and teams being more attentive to him is actually

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going to cause some vulnerabilities because the bills can do some things where they show

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him in certain ways week after week and then exploit those ways to have a different route

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stem off of it because he's as savvy as they come even as a second year player when it

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comes to nuance of route and finding empty spaces and zone and setting guys up to do

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double moves, setting guys up to snap off a route stem in a different way.

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I totally agree.

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We've seen this year over year with the Buffalo Bills and we're hoping that this year is different

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based off of what we've seen in training camp, but they really they just really have always

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struggled to onboard new weapons into this offense.

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So despite the fact that they've got Curtis Samuel, Matt Collins, Keon Coleman added to the group,

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you trust in the wide receiver group and past Ketcher group is something that's very big for

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all QBs, but Josh in particular, we saw the change with Isaiah McKenzie from one year to the next

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the minute McKenzie started dropping passes, right? And all of a sudden was no longer a

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favored target for Josh. With all that being said in historical context fully in play,

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Kinkade returning to the offense and in the scheme for another season, Kulil Shakir may have a

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breakout season. Dude, his catch percentage led the league last season at 86.3%. His routes are

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always on time. I'll I've said it before and I'll say it again, don't sleep on his long

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speed down the field either. He could potentially take the roof off of some defenses have schemed

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up correctly. And he's got positional versatility based on where you can put him on the field.

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Dawson Knox, we talked about this last pod old reliable as far as a red zone target goes.

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There is there is some scheme continuity personnel continuity here that I think has been largely

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overlooked because of the digs trade and because of the Davis departure. But there are there the

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cupboard here is not entirely empty. And I think there are some weapons to be excited about that

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are returning. And then we've got the new guys who I think are going to be a question, Mark. Listen,

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I love Mack Hollins and his vibe and his energy. He's obviously a great leader. To me, his leadership

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is going to be invaluable on the squad this year for a group that jettison so many veterans.

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I've seen though a lot of prognostication that says he might actually be wide receiver one on

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this group when it's all said and done from a staff perspective. And I get he'd had a one good

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year of production with I think it was the Raiders way back when I don't see him taking meaningful

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targets away from Keon Coleman and his development, Cluel Shakir and his continued progression,

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or Dalton Kincaid and Dawson Knox, which leaves amongst the new weapons Curtis Samuel, who you

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who you hope is more of a successful kind of gadgety type of addition, then what they wanted

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Isaiah McKenzie to be back when Brian Dable was scheming funky stuff up for him. And then you've

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got Keon Coleman, who based on what we've seen out of camp, they're not going to ask him JJ to do

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anything that he is uncomfortable with. I think they know where he's at in his development. And

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they're going to put him in a position to succeed. And I think because of some of the returning

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players to this past catcher room, he'll have the opportunity where he can grow but also show

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his strengths on a game by game scheme by scheme basis. So I'm excited for this group. I'm higher

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on this group than I think I was at the start of the season. I really I got to see it though with

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my own eyes. Can they attack the latter third of the field when teams decide to load up the box

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against Cook, which you know they're going to do eventually. And when they decide to take away

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the shorter parts of the field, are they going to do they have enough juice in this room to attack

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over the top? And that's an open question for me that I just I don't know until I see it happen.

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Well, that actually I think you bring up a really good point in what's going to happen when they

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start crowd when teams start crowding the line against the team against the bills with what

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we think Brady scheme is going to be. And the thing that actually scares me is the presence of

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MVS Marquez Valdes scantling on this roster as the one of the only players on the bill's 90 man

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roster during training camp who is a deep burner type. The fact that he made it to the 53 makes me

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a little bit worried that they're counting on that skill set from him him from him the person.

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Because I don't believe in him. I think he's probably a pretty bad wide receiver. There's a

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reason that he's on the fourth team and he's had excellent quarterbacks at every stop.

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Played with Patrick Mahomes last year as many of us remember right right granted he saved his

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best moments for the postseason last year. And he can provide some postseason leadership,

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but you got to make the playoffs first. And I don't know that MVS even as your fifth wide receiver

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and only true deep threat. I don't know if he is enough to equalize what we think is going to

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ultimately be be a defensive scheme that will adjust as the season goes on to the way these

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bills want to play. I don't think he's enough of a nuclear deterrent. You know what I mean?

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He's not that he's not the paradigm changer. He's not a player who can shift how teams defend you.

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Even it. Yeah. Go ahead. No. Oh, I was going to say yeah, even if they start crowding the box and

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the bills have nobody that's getting deep getting open deep. It's really I think that they're going

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to look to key on Coleman and MVS. And if neither of them can get it done, the bills might hit a

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pretty significant low on offense. I do think there is a low floor and a low ceiling to this kind

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of offense if the bills want to run it. We'll see though, we'll see because we haven't seen

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a full Joe Brady scheme in play yet. But if there was a worry in the wide receiver room or the

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pass catcher room, it's the lack of a true deep threat, which in fairness was a vulnerability

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for them heading into the off season. And maybe they think they've addressed it, but I've got my

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doubts. It was a vulnerability all of last year. And they still made it. They still won the FC East

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and made the playoffs. Right, exactly. I just I don't know if I don't know if losing in the

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divisional round again to the chiefs is going to keep jobs in this organization. True. That

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hurts. I know, I'm just saying. So JJ, moving on, let's talk about the final room that we need to

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discuss here. And that is the offensive line room, which no surprises in the starting five.

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I think the second unit, definitely not the depth and the experience that we benefited from last

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year. There was a Joe Biscali, I did a great job on his pod earlier on today of delineating the

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difference between the starting five and the backups for this Buffalo Bills offensive line unit.

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The backups have 47 total NFL snaps to their name, all of which are owned by one Ryan Vandermark.

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He is the only person with NFL game real NFL game experience on that second unit O-line.

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This is an O-line that benefited from historic levels of health last season.

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And if you believe in a regression back to the mean, someone is going to get hurt on this offensive

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line. Spencer Brown's had a history of injuries. Deion Dawkins has dealt with his own injury

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issues in the past before someone on the second unit is going to play JJ, someone is going to

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play. So how are we feeling about this room as a whole, not just the starting five?

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I'm bullish. I mean, I love the starting five. And I think that we can we can both agree that

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they should not take a massive step back because all the players of the start four of the five

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players in the starting five played every snap last year. So Deion Dawkins, Connor McGovern,

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Osiris Torrance and Spencer Brown, even though Connor McGovern is playing in a different position,

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now moving over to the pivot at center, that's a change. But then bringing David Edwards into that

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left guard position who has started in the past, I feel really good about the starters. And I'm not

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that actually worried about them losing some snaps to injury and requiring Ryan Vandermark or

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Alec Anderson to play mostly because of what I saw in the preseason. I saw Ryan Vandermark come in

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and play at both tackle spots throughout the preseason in games, live games against decent

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competition at times, and show very well, I think that he was well, pretty well rated. He's still

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steaming better at left tackle than at right tackle. But left tackle is a more difficult position

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to play for most players or for most offensive linemen. So the fact that he's clearly above and

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ahead on that makes me feel pretty good about them having Tylen Grable come into fill in for

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right tackle, who was a good, it was a good grab, it was good to keep him on the team as well. I

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think that he showed really well in the preseason. And for me, it's the fact that the archetype of

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the offensive linemen is straight in line with what Aaron Cromer has been successful with throughout

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his career. They've got the right players with the right skill sets and the right body types

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to be successful starters based on who he's coached up to all pro statuses. And so I'm not

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saying Cedric Van Prang ranger Alec Anderson, Ryan Vandermark or Tylen Grable are going to be all

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pros. But I do feel a really solid level of consistent trust that Cromer is going to have

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whomever needs to step up able to step up. Yeah, I share most of your optimism about the starting

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unit. I think Conor McGovern has really progressed and started to own the center role in a very

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important way, not just clean snaps to Josh Allen, which were an issue at the beginning of camp,

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but also the way he is calling checks at the line now he's got a really good command, I think,

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of play to play what this offense needs to do and recognizing and opposing defenses

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where the soft spots are going to be. I think that's going to be really important.

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Spencer Brown is interesting to me because he's in a contract here this year. Last season was his

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first fully healthy season. He's been a little dinged up in training camp this year, which is

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nothing he hasn't dealt with before. But if they're not that you wish ill health on anyone,

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but if there were a candidate right now in the starting five, who I would say is right,

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feels the most vulnerable based on playstyle history and the amount of contact that they

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absorb their position. Brown feels to me like one who might be the most likely to miss some time,

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which means gray bull or Vandemarck absolutely into the starting unit.

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I've got confidence in Vandemarck. I think the bills have been so good at this draft

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stash and develop philosophy that they've really infused into the organization on the offensive

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line. I would feel good about Vandemarck. Anybody else goes down though, JJ, and you've got to dip

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into I get Alec Anderson as the every man on the interior of that offensive line, but you get into

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real game situations. I don't care how well you're coached. There's a learning curve. There's an

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absolute learning curve that's going to hit a replacement or two replacements or three.

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And then if you're talking two or three replacements at any given time, which we have seen

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not too long ago, not too far off ago, in Buffalo Bill's recent history, I think then this team

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could be in trouble. Can they afford to lose one, maybe two people potentially? But if it's for

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extended amounts of time or it's any more than that, I do worry about the second unit holding up,

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particularly with the level of physicality that they're going to be asked to play with

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for the entire season. But starting five, I feel pretty good about, and I feel good about the

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direction that they're headed. Sure. No, it's a good summary. And I think that it's right to be,

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if we both take my position on this particular group, then we're just sitting here promising

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everybody that it's going to be all sunshine and rainbows. And James Cook's going to rush for

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a 2000 yards this season. You are right to be measured. I'm I have to be measured. I have to

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set myself up for lower expectations. Absolutely. All right. defensive line. You want to flip to

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the other side of the ball? Yeah. And I think with this defensive line, let's take it like we would

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with the wide receiver and tight end just bundle it together full defensive line. Yeah. And as

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expected, we the bills ended up keeping four DT's interior and five or six ed rushers, I'm sorry.

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And I found one surprise, I think that we were both pretty pretty lock stock and standard with a lot

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of media members and build mafia to believe that it was going to be Dequan Jones at Oliver's the

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starting DT pair. And then Austin Johnson and DeWayne Carter as a third round pick as backups to

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the interior of the defensive line. And so that was pretty pretty much chalk. But then Greg Rousseau,

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AJ Epinezza, the starting outside ends, DeWayne, smooth and Von Miller ranked behind them.

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And Javon Solomon making it as a late round pick, I thought was excellent. And he showed a lot in

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the initial preseason of his career. Casey tool. What do you what do you make of that?

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I don't know. And I said, I'm glad for guys to get their shot and get their money. But I personally

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blame Casey to hill for the reason why Dequan Hardy is not on this roster. I looked at Dequan

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Hardy is a lock for this cornerback room, especially with his return skills. I did not

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anticipate that the Buffalo Bills were going to keep six edge rushers. I thought they were going to

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run with nine total defensive linemen, five at edge, four on the interior. And they decided they

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needed the extra juice with to hill. And the only thing I can think about because he does bring,

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he's one of those high RAS score guys, like he brings a lot of athleticism to the table.

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We talked about the concerns we saw with Epinezza over the course of training camp.

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We don't know what Von Miller is going to be this season necessarily. And Greg Russo has had a

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history of getting dinged up. So Von Miller also is now going to be two years removed from AC from

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his ACL injury. I think the bills are hedging at edge. We know how important the edge rotation

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and defensive line rotation is to this overall scheme. You've got a couple of guys with injury

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histories. You've got a couple of guys on the roster underachieving. They wanted to throw another

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iron on the fire. And he's a guy who meets their athletic profile and then some, and he's a guy

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who think who they probably think in season, they can develop to be what they to be a suitable

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rotational piece here, especially if one of the guys they have slotted in the top four or five

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of the rotation doesn't make it. That's the only thing I can think of. Yeah. And that's probably,

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I think there's also a possibility that it has something to do with special teams. Because as

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you mentioned, he has a high RAS score and defensive ends and linebackers in that particular,

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the new kind of active kickoff or whatever they're calling it, are probably pretty,

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it was pretty high premium and value on players who are larger bodies with the ability to move

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quickly in short areas and tackle because it is very much like a wide zone run play.

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Once that ball hits inside the landing zone and is returned.

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Yeah. So I think too, I totally agree with you in that special teams because of the change to

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kickoff rules this year is probably influencing a lot of 53 man decisions in ways that it

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has not in the past because teams just ultimately don't know in the limited sample size of pre-season

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how these new rules and these new formations are going to play out. So there's a lot of hedging

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probably on both ends of that. JJ to me, this defensive line overall and their ability in

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particular to generate pass rush is going to be so important. It's always important to this scheme,

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but I think more so in that this year with the questions at safety, which we're going to get to

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at the end of this, the reliable roof that has been on the house that is this defense for so long,

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now potentially showing some holes, you're going to need an extraordinary effort from this defensive

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line in passing situations to help potentially cover up for something that the bills have not

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had to cover up for in the history of the McDermott era. And that is deficiencies in the secondary

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and deficiencies in the linebacker room. This line you could argue is the most experienced

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returning unit to the defensive side of the ball. There's a lot of other new pieces in the other

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rooms that we'll get to here that are going to be seeing starting reps, a lot of them for the

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first time, a lot in this scheme. I think this defensive line doesn't just have to be reliable,

422
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it has to be outstanding if the bills are going to avoid being in shootouts game after game.

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Yeah, no, I agree. And I think that for me, the answer of whether or not this line is going to

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be outstanding has nothing to do with von Miller. It's actually the question of whether or not

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Greg Russo can have a fully healthy campaign because he has struggled with lower body foot and

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other lower body injuries every year of his career. And last year, he looked like he was

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ready to take a step and become like a double digit sack and impact player like a top 15 in the

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league end. And then he wrecked his foot and was not the same for the rest of the season. I see

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the same kind of burst I saw early in the first few games last season out of him in preseason in

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00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:38,240
the limited snaps he had. And it's really the question of Ken Gregor's state, Russo stay healthy

431
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:42,880
because if he can, I think he can be a real problem for opposing offenses and deliver the

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kind of impact that you're talking about that they desperately need the defensive line to deliver.

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The same for Dequan Jones and Ed Oliver. If they can both stay healthy, I think that

434
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there's the sky to the limit for them together lined up next to each other.

435
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Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's move on to the linebacker room here. Listen, this is where the

436
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,040
trepidation and the pessimism is beginning to sink in. From this exact level all the way back.

437
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:13,440
All the way back. All the way back. So we know and we have lamented as has all of Bill's mafia,

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00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:19,440
we will be losing Matt Milano. What we're losing is not just someone who is a ferocious leader

439
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:25,680
and a sideline to sideline missile in the run stopping game, but he has been essential to what

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00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,480
the bills have done in protecting the middle of the field in the passing game as well. Last season

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00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:37,120
today when Matt Milano played opposing QBs held on to the ball for a full half a second longer than

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they did when he didn't play valuable time in this era of quick passing games to let your

443
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:49,680
pass rush get to you. Zero TDs and four INTs recorded when Milano was patrolling the middle

444
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:56,480
of the field by the spellfellow bills defense, seven touchdowns to zero interceptions after

445
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:02,400
Milano left with his injury. Teams are going to exploit the middle of this field JJ early and

446
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,360
often and it's going to be up to this linebacker quarter be up to the task to stop it. The good news

447
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,480
is we've got really smart coaches that know that this is going to be coming and they've had

448
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:18,560
an entire off season to game plan for it. So JJ let's break down this linebacker room the good

449
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:24,960
the bad and the ugly. Where do you want to start? Let's start with the good which is Terrell Bernard

450
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:31,280
coming back having an excellent training camp and year two as the middle linebacker the green

451
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,800
dot player who receives the calls from the coaching staff. I think that he is you know

452
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,640
he's the kind of player he showed out last year even after they lost Matt Milano in week five.

453
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,920
He showed out that he could have an all pro campaign this season he's such an

454
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,800
excellent impact player he did that I forget what the exact stats were but he was like the first

455
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,720
player in 30 years or something to record the number of sacks interceptions and fumbles that he

456
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:04,560
forced and recovered in a single season and so definitely there with the splash plays I feel

457
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,080
really good about Terrell Bernard I think that he's going to take a step forward as a leader and

458
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:15,520
kind of the quarterback of the defense I am otherwise really worried that's it right the

459
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,720
bills only really play two linebackers and it's Terrell Bernard who I know they're going to

460
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:25,440
highly depend on for his consistency but I think that's the biggest problem is behind Terrell

461
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:31,040
Bernard you're you're asking for the other linebacker spot if you go three linebackers two

462
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:38,320
linebacker spots to be filled by players that I I have not seen prove any level of consistency

463
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,480
and those are Dorian Williams which we've talked at length about Dorian Williams and his benefits

464
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:48,000
he looked a lot better in the offseason and training and in the limited snaps he had in

465
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:55,600
preseason games um but then Nicholas Moreau who played almost no time at all um and looked okay I

466
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:03,200
guess when he did play in the preseason Edifuan Olifocio who has again was injured for most

467
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of training camp and then came back for just a little bit of the last preseason game played

468
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:14,480
decently but also got cooked on some coverage snaps Bale Inspector who's injured yet again and who I

469
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:21,920
have absolutely zero faith will ever play a meaningful role in defense because he goes in

470
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for four snaps every game that he plays and gets injured immediately like I just I feel like he's

471
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:34,960
got that like rare condition that Samuel Jackson had in Unbreakable where his bones are made of glass

472
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:44,800
because damn dude no I have no I'm he is an NFL player he is far more impressive as a human specimen

473
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and athlete than I'll ever achieve but I'm just being blunt as a fan of a team what I see as a

474
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player who is so freaking injury prone that I don't think he has anything they can depend on and

475
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:03,680
until he proves me wrong so be it we have the title for this pod when it gets posted Balan

476
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:09,840
bones of glass specter bones of glass specter no he is just it's banana I feel bad because I actually

477
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:16,240
think he's likable he's a likable guy a likable player and he seems to be impactful and know what

478
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:21,600
he's doing when he is on the field and he's got an athletic profile for it it's just dude you've

479
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,880
seen it right he just gets hurt immediately upon stepping on the field every time he comes in relief

480
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,720
no listen I totally get it and this is why the favorite son of Buffalo yes Prince who was left

481
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:40,320
I left Joe for you Joe and Treson is on this roster so excited to see Buffalo Joe make this squad

482
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,280
listen I know he had a rough one in the final preseason game against the Panthers but I think

483
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:51,280
what we saw to Joe was the ability to flow to the play great pass-run recognition really good

484
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:58,080
coverage chops and he's going to benefit as you so eloquently put it last pod from being able to

485
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play snaps depending on what level of the rotation he gets into with some of the starting unit on

486
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:09,200
this defensive line that'll help keep him clean in that area and allow him to focus more appropriately

487
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:17,440
on his 111 I just dude this is the story Bill's mafia needs undrafted rookie free agent hometown

488
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:24,000
kid helps lead what we all think will be a decrepit Buffalo Bill's defense to glory in a Super Bowl

489
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:31,040
victory with Joshua Patrick Allen sign me up for those movie rights now my friend absolutely

490
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:39,440
Oh yeah no and it's he is it is everything at the story the look and the fact that yeah he looked

491
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he I think that somebody looked at the part yeah he looked the part when he was playing with the

492
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ones and playing as the green dot linebacker making the calls and the checks with the defense

493
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,520
in that Pittsburgh preseason game I was there were snaps where I was like that looks exactly

494
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like Matt Milano like shooting the run gap getting exactly to his landmark and making a play like I

495
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,120
was there's no way to compare him because Matt Milano's an all-pro and Joe Andreessen's a first

496
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:17,440
year undrafted unsigned BFA who was a tryout player at rookie at a rookie minicamp but I will say like

497
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he's she's checked the box is hard enough to get on the 53 and he did it over a former all-pro

498
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:29,920
Deon Jones so I like what I've seen so far and if he has some juice and he can stay healthy

499
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,520
I think that he could really make an impact this season as he learns that defense absolutely dude

500
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,920
all right let's talk about the cornerback room I have never had this relationship with the bill's

501
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,760
cornerback room before where I feel so good about the starting two and have so many questions about

502
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:51,040
who's going to be behind them now normally this wouldn't matter because let's be honest

503
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:57,600
if the Buffalo Bills have their way Rizul Douglas and Christian Benford are going to be playing 92

504
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:04,000
to 96 percent of the snaps every game and we're only going to see limited glimpses of

505
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:10,000
Jammarga Sangram and Kair Elam but the reality is Benford does not have a healthy see fully healthy

506
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:17,680
season to his name yet and Rizul Douglas who I love his risk-taking I love his instincts he has been

507
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:23,360
dinged up throughout the course of the past two seasons as well like the offensive line room

508
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:31,440
injury regression and regression back to the mean is a real thing it is very likely we're going to see

509
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:38,240
based on recent history some extended glimpses of one Kair Elam or Jammarga Sangram and I have real

510
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:43,440
concerns about the depth in this cornerback room but I couldn't love the starting duo more I think

511
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:49,040
they level each other off in the best possible way Benford keeps everything in front of them

512
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,920
Douglas looking to turn the opposing team over they're a great thunder and lightning type of

513
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,520
combo they can blow both play with some chip and physicality when they need to I love the starting

514
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:06,320
two the question is will we see them all season yeah you're right they both have had injury issues

515
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:13,280
in their past in their career and it does not feel great that your next man up is Kair Elam and

516
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:19,520
after that is Jammarga Sangram I think they both had decent pre-season and training camps but I

517
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,400
think actually Jammarga Sangram had a better deep pre-season and training camp than Kair Elam even

518
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,760
though many of the beat reporters and people who are out at practice every day said that Kair Elam

519
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,440
looked like a different player and looked much less hesitant and more self-assured and more confident

520
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:41,520
in his reps and that's awesome because that's what's he what he's needed to provide but it's

521
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,640
it's pretty worrying that it's okay it's Russell Douglas Christian Benford Taryn Johnson of course

522
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,920
who's a stalwart and one of the best nick corners in the league and then Kair Elam and

523
00:43:51,920 --> 00:44:00,880
Jammarga Sangram and then Brandon Codrington whose corner snaps were not good but he's a returner only

524
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,960
he is he's on the field something has gone wrong something has gone terribly wrong it's the kind

525
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of thing where you actually bring Cam Lewis from the safety bench to replace Taryn Johnson before

526
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:18,800
Brandon Codrington is as much a DB as Saron Neal has been he's a special teams player who just

527
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has the is in the CB room because they need a place to put him yeah pretty much Taryn Johnson man

528
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:33,200
thank god Dequan Hardy is on this practice squad Taryn Johnson I think and and this is all due respect

529
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,640
to Matt Milano Taryn Johnson is the person on the defensive side of the ball we can least afford

530
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:46,800
to lose he is the reason why the bills play base nickel they only roll out two linebackers and they're

531
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:53,040
not rolling out a standard four three set in rundowns in particular because Johnson does

532
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:59,280
everything and then some in his role at nickel corner to hedge up the run game play ferociously

533
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,400
in the past game it means a chimes had it right when she was when she tweeted out about this a few

534
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:11,440
weeks ago Taryn Johnson is the most underrated player in the NFL he could be a linebacker he

535
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:18,320
plays like a safety at certain points but he has the the technical ability and the physical tools

536
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:24,160
to play the position he plays at nickel corner I would say the best in the league and the bills

537
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,720
are lucky to have him and he's the dude we can least afford to lose out of this entire room I

538
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:34,880
would argue I would completely agree and I think that too you know in the world where

539
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rasool Douglas and christian benford and Taryn Johnson are all healthy you may make your weak

540
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:51,280
linebacker depth right by subbing in one of the safeties we're about to talk about but if you

541
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,880
lose any one of those first top three cbs you're in trouble because I don't know I don't know any

542
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:02,880
player from the safety room or the linebacker room was going to be able to like help cover that gap

543
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:08,160
as much as a safety could help out the linebackers it's not going to go the other way around

544
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:14,000
absolutely totally I totally couldn't agree more all right so let's talk about those safeties JJ

545
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:21,680
it's uh I don't love this and listen we've this is the we saved the worst for last but it's unless

546
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,000
you want to talk about Tyler bass because we could go worse or if we needed to based on his

547
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,360
pre we can do we can hit that right now let's just hit it special teams Tyler bash you better get

548
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:37,040
your shit together because otherwise you're going to be a massive dead cap hit and replaced by yet

549
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:42,960
another inconsistent kicker oh god it's just so bad like he he needs to get out of his head the

550
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,240
the bills are going to play the bills traditionally play a ton of close games field goals and extra

551
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:53,600
points are going to matter in those games we need Tyler bass to play better JJ we also need

552
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,800
by week seven for Micahide to come out of retirement based on how the safety room is

553
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:04,000
shaping up right now what do you see because that can't cover the deep third of the field yeah

554
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:10,080
that's exactly what I see too I what I see is in less cold bishop or Mike Edwards okay so first

555
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:17,680
thing if I'm just looking at a depth chart we have two healthy safeties period present and I know

556
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:23,280
that we're still 10 days or nine days from the bill starting the actual season but we have Taylor

557
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:29,040
wrap and Cam Lewis everybody else is questionable the Marhamlin cold Bishop Mike Edwards Mike Edwards

558
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,920
has been injured his entire the moment he put a bill's jersey on he's been injured and I know he's

559
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:40,480
a solid player he has two Super Bowl rings with two different teams but I haven't seen enough I

560
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,800
haven't seen anything from him he played in the last preseason game a little bit but also got dinged

561
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:51,920
up again and I'm just really hopeful that when week one rolls around Taylor wrap and either cold

562
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:57,360
Bishop or Mike Edwards is out there as the starting pair because even though DeMarie

563
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:04,400
Hamlin's story is super inspiring he's a run fitting box safety who struggles in coverage

564
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:10,160
and that is not the answer for what the bills are going to be facing with one of the top five

565
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:15,520
hardest schedules in the NFL and so many premier quarterbacks on that schedule.

566
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Yes and I'm only half joking about the Micahide thing I don't know if you're picking up on the

567
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:30,160
same vibes I have from some of these Bean interviews he doesn't sound like he's ruled out Micah coming

568
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:37,040
back he's been like Micah's staying in shape haven't expressed any interest yet but is not

569
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:42,000
this close to the start of the season shut the door on Micah coming back is that the answer

570
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,680
I don't know but I can tell you that if by the end of week six the bills are three and three

571
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,080
and they've been shredded in the deep third of the field there's going to be a lot of fans clamoring

572
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:57,760
for that to happen for sure for sure yeah man the safety room absolute an absolute and total

573
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:04,000
concern for me all right so that's our analysis the 53 man roster before we leave you here today

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folks JJ and I would like to play a little game games yeah I want to play game let's I was gonna

575
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:14,560
pull out my saw voice I'm like I know that's not appropriate it's not the right vibe for this nope

576
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,120
and not what we're going for on this bud and then you follow through and do it what the hell my

577
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,760
friend Jesus it's a better saw voice than mine so now I'm definitely not doing it anyway let's play

578
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:29,360
a game guys yeah so for those of you that regularly listen to football podcasts like we do this is

579
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:35,520
the season of rankings everyone's doing QB tiers everyone's doing like these kind of meaningless

580
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:42,960
exercises and preseason power rankings all this stuff that doesn't really matter but yet provides

581
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:49,040
filler until we get to actual games JJ and I wanted to put our own spin on this so rather than

582
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,960
ranking teams against the Buffalo Bills because we're highly biased for sure and we would pick

583
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:00,320
the Bills in most situations we decided we wanted to put a different take on this because this is

584
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:06,640
53 man roster season and everyone's analyzing room by room we want to take a select number of rooms

585
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:15,600
defensive line cornerback room pass catching room quarterback room on the Bills and see how it stacks

586
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:21,840
up against some of the opponents that they'll be facing here in the 2024 season we'll give you a

587
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,240
room for the Bills we'll give you a room for an opponent and JJ and I will tell you why we're taking

588
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:30,640
the Bills or why we're taking the other team and you can feel free to disagree with us on the comments

589
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:36,720
for this post and also on any of our social media pages at Buffalo Bread so JJ let's kick this thing

590
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:43,680
off room by room would you rather here's the first one we're going to go defensive line would you

591
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:53,760
rather have the Bills defensive line of at Oliver Dequan Jones AJ Aponeza and Gregor So or would you

592
00:50:53,760 --> 00:51:02,640
take the Chiefs defensive line so the Chiefs last season J were 12th overall in pressure rate while

593
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:08,880
the Bills were nine in pressure rate the Chiefs had more total sacks than the Bills did last year

594
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:15,440
and the Bills and Chiefs were about equal and opponents time to throw as well Chris Jones

595
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,800
is the biggest disruptor we have seen play the Buffalo Bills in a very long time there are

596
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,520
several signature plays that have ended the Bills season that have his name written all over it

597
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:31,120
and then George Carl Loftus on the Kansas City Chiefs seems to be an emerging pass rush star

598
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:37,680
six six sacks his rookie season 10 and a half sacks in his follow-up campaign JJ who would you

599
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:45,200
rather have Bills or Chiefs just like one clarifying question do I get spags is it just the

600
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:51,280
is it just the players oh yeah we're just gonna we're this is unit for unit okay it's just the

601
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:58,160
players spags Spagnolo doesn't come because if he if I get the unit and the coordinator I'm taking

602
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:05,280
that 100% of the time because I don't know what Bobby Babbage is gonna be but I can guarantee in

603
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:11,760
his first year as a DC he's not better than Steve Spagnolo so no one's better than no one is yeah

604
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:18,560
exactly so but if it's just the players I am actually I'm going to take the Chiefs I'm gonna

605
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:23,120
take their D line even with all the shocked by that yeah even with all the flowers I threw at

606
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:30,080
Greg Russo and Ed Oliver and Dequan Jones feet I think that Chris Jones alone is better than the

607
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:37,760
combination of Ed Oliver and Dequan Jones and they have a I think George Carl Aftis is farther

608
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:45,680
along as a pass rusher is a premium pass rusher a premier pass rusher than Greg Russo and I don't

609
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:53,920
know who else the Bills have that they could point to that's on Carl Aftis's level so the fact that

610
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,800
Chris Jones is an interior disruptor is greater than the combination of Dequan Jones and Ed Oliver

611
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:06,320
and George Carl Aftis is a more established sack artist that I want their line over the Bills

612
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:14,720
I want to be super wrong I want Greg Russo Ed Oliver and even Von Miller to prove to me

613
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:23,200
that's a complete idiot take but this is that defensive line has two three Super Bowl rings

614
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:31,920
some of them for a reason yeah I and the Spags factor weighs so heavily and I'm not saying

615
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:38,640
Carl Aftis is like a scheme maven like the sacks that he's generating are a result a lot of due

616
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:46,320
to a lot of his skill but if I were to rank in order each of these individual players I would

617
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:54,880
put Chris Jones first Ed Oliver probably second Dequan Jones third and I would put Greg Russo

618
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:01,440
over Carl Aftis so having three dudes in the top five of those rankings tells me that there's

619
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:07,520
more potential individual talent while the production hasn't necessarily met that level of

620
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:13,600
talent there's more individual talent on this Bills roster that is to be tapped into and I would take

621
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:18,560
for that reason alone the Bills defensive line over the Chiefs defensive line I think plus the

622
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:23,200
Bills are a superior unit when it comes to run stopping on the defensive line this is an area

623
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:29,200
where the Chiefs really struggled last year so 20 second and overall and Rush Stop DVOA

624
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:38,160
as much as I can respect that I can remember Chris Jones bumping Josh Allen off of a surefire

625
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,120
touchdown pass to Khalil Shakir that would have saved the game for the Buffalo Bills

626
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:48,800
in a playoff exit game and I can't remember a single freaking play that anybody on the Bills

627
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,880
defensive line made that changed any level of that outcome of that game no listen I get it and listen

628
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:01,120
we can go back into our therapy sessions about that game Ed Oliver because of the Joan Dequan Jones

629
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:06,400
injury disappeared more snaps on the regular season being totally gassed we can go through all that

630
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:11,600
I will give you the Chris Jones is the best player amongst those two units I think as a whole

631
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,720
is for the purpose of this exercise the Bills unit is a little bit more well rounded and I would take

632
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:23,200
them okay but we're gonna depart we are gonna depart all right here's another one for you and

633
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:32,160
this is a sneaky one Seattle Seahawks secondary so this is CBs and safeties Seattle Seahawks secondary

634
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:37,600
versus the Buffalo Bills secondary so the reason I bring this up the Seattle Seahawks were not a

635
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:47,680
great secondary last year they have a new head coach and Mike McDonald who is as I think influential

636
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:55,360
in NFL defensive circles for scheme setup as any coach we've seen in recent memory he is not only

637
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:01,840
a maven when it comes to unlocking pass rush but he also gets the best out of a lot of his DB schemes

638
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:08,960
and there's real talent my friend real talent on the in this secondary for the for the Seattle

639
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,400
Seahawks they've got Rick Wollin who had an offseason last season but was a man on fire in

640
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:20,960
his rookie year they've got Sean Jenkins and Julian Love Julian Love Stanford grad solid

641
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:27,040
journeyman in the NFL has like a Jordan Poyer type of profile at free safety really nice addition

642
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:33,840
to that group and then this year they drafted Devon Witherspoon out of Illinois I this is a

643
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:39,680
secondary JJ where there's a lot to and again factoring in the coach you feel like this unit

644
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,880
could take a step up but just on the talent that is in the secondary and then add to that

645
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:51,040
Trey Brown who's oh excuse me sorry add to that Trey Brown who it flashes it right and then

646
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:56,640
nickel corner for them it's a pretty well rounded unit compare that to what we just talked about with

647
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:02,080
the bills and that we've got Resoul Douglas Christian Benford who we love but then questions on the

648
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:08,560
backup unit and then the safeties being all over the place JJ Seattle or Buffalo who you taken

649
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:14,560
I can appreciate I love Rick Wollin too awesome yeah Rick Wollin coming out I know he had an off

650
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,000
season but his rookie season he looked awesome and when he was coming out in the draft he was one

651
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,560
of my draft crushes that's a player that I absolutely respect and would want on the bill's unit

652
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:30,480
but I have to go Buffalo bills and I'll tell you exactly why proven proven performances by

653
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:36,800
Resoul Douglas Christian Benford and specifically and most importantly Taran Johnson none of the

654
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:43,040
Seahawks you described to me are all pros Taran Johnson all pro best slot corner in the league

655
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:51,600
come at me right I don't know he's if he's not if he's not top three then I am from Mars because

656
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:58,960
he is amazing and I just don't see the proven production I think that the Seahawks defensive

657
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:07,040
backfield feels like the bill the bills defensive line to me it is the talent the skill set the

658
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:13,360
talent the physicality is all there for them to be outstanding they just haven't proved any of it

659
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,760
and so in this regard I'm going to have to go bills how about you I totally agree and it's all

660
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:25,040
about the starting three for the bills I'm including nickel corner in that and the starting three for

661
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:31,920
the Seahawks their witherspoon incredible potential woollen incredible potential the proven track record

662
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:37,360
of the starting three cornerbacks that the bills are going to be rolling out despite the deficiencies

663
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:43,840
in the safety room I think to me would give them the edge over Seattle but I think bills fans are

664
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:48,400
going to be very much so surprised at how close that's actually going to be because I really do

665
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,320
think the Seattle defense is going to be good this year and I think that secondary is going to be

666
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:58,320
really good this season all right JJ I got one that you're going to hate and everybody listening

667
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:04,800
is going to hate would you rather have the Buffalo bills pass catchers wide receivers and tight ends

668
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:11,280
included throw regigillium in there too or would you rather have the Houston Texans pass catchers

669
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:20,320
bills mafia I'm so sorry I'd rather have the Houston Texans I'd rather have the Houston Texans

670
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:26,160
and I'll tell you the reason is because I'm and this may be cheating on the exercise but I'm

671
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,480
including Joe mixon I think he's one of the best pass catching running backs in the entire league

672
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:37,920
and can do more with the ball in his hands after catching it then anybody the bills have sniffed

673
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,520
and that's and that's that's including James cook that's disrespectful to James cook Joe mixon has

674
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:49,440
one of the most reliable pass catching handsets of any running back I've seen in recent memory in

675
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:54,640
the league assuming he this is the problem though with Joe mixon assuming he has a fully healthy season

676
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:02,000
is a tough assumption to make but for me it's yeah if you mix Joe mix if Joe mixon's in the mix

677
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:09,040
then that's the group for me because Nico Collins and tank Dell I think are better than I think

678
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,600
individually each of them is better than any two of the wide receivers you can name from the

679
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:22,080
bills roster and then I think Stefan digs is better than wide receivers three through five

680
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:28,960
on the bills roster and then don't forget Dolan Schultz right he's an pro bow tight end yeah

681
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,200
pro bow tight end and then they also have Robert Woods the best run blocking wide receiver in the

682
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:39,040
league though he's late in his career so it's probably less so now um yeah so for me it's really

683
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:45,120
just it's Nico Collins and tank Dell specifically because they offer so much more as deep threats

684
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:54,000
then the bills really can show right now yeah but I will I'm gonna hedge if Keon Coleman shows

685
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,640
something in his first year in the league it could change my answer by the end of the season

686
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:04,880
specifically if Joe mixon doesn't show out and later in his career and and James Cook has yet

687
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:11,040
another like amazing receiving back season and gets those jobs drops cleaned up then that whole

688
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,600
paradigm could shift but for me right now it's just looking at what Nico Collins and tank Dell

689
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:20,640
put on tape last year before the injury for tank Dell I just believe in them so much more

690
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:26,640
you gave a hard answer friend but you gave the correct answer it is Houston and again I went

691
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:33,360
through the exercise and I asked myself when healthy who are the if you were doing a fantasy

692
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:40,880
draft who would you take and I went three full players before I got to a Buffalo Bills player

693
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:46,000
and these past catching rooms the first Buffalo Bill I would take would be Dalton concave out of

694
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,640
would be Dalton concave out of the past catcher room I would take him over Dalton shorts Dalton

695
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:58,240
Dalton Schultz but beyond that there's a lot of unproven commodities in the Bills wide receiver

696
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:03,360
room there's a lot of potential that hasn't been realized on other teams in the Bills wide

697
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:08,560
receiver room and the reality is we've already seen a glimpse of what tank Dell and Nico Collins

698
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:15,600
can do with CJ Stroud add to that someone who is you can debate his personality you cannot

699
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:21,840
debate the production and Stefan Diggs what he's done now at two different stops add to the fact

700
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:27,840
that unlike when he came to the Bills the Texans have already won without him so he's not going

701
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:34,240
to be able to in my mind to come in and poison that locker room should he decide just to light it

702
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:40,480
all on fire this season because that is a culture that's already a proven winner as opposed to when

703
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:46,240
the Bills brought Diggs in they needed Diggs not just for the production but for the fabric

704
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,800
and culture of that organization the Texans don't need him for anything this is purely

705
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:55,600
transactional when it comes to what he's going to give them on the field and I think it's pretty

706
01:02:55,600 --> 01:03:00,320
indisputable what he's going to give them it's he's arguably the best third wide receiver option

707
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:06,240
in the league right now it's Houston it's Houston by a lot in my opinion yeah same yeah

708
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:14,720
yeah all right sir let's do QB rooms let's do bills QB room against the Ravens QB room and

709
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:19,920
here's why I like this one Lamar Jackson Josh Allen two of my favorite QBs in the league

710
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:26,240
these were the two guys in their 2018 draft class that were the least highly touted with the exception

711
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:31,280
of Mel Kuiper Jr who was on both of these guys the Sam Darnolds of the world the Baker Mayfields of

712
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:38,720
the world the Josh Rosens of the world much more coveted in that draft class than the two guys

713
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:43,440
who eventually you could argue are the most decorated and the most successful in that group

714
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:50,160
two MVPs to Lamar's name an AFC championship appearance for both him and Josh Josh I think

715
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:57,040
is the only QB in NFL history to have four straight seasons of 4,000 yards and 40 total TDS

716
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:03,600
like absolute monster when it comes to when it comes to statistical production add to that

717
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:08,640
they're backups we've already talked about one Mitchell Trebisky and then we've got Josh Johnson

718
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:14,240
who's backing up Lamar Jackson in Baltimore who do you got what's the QB room you're taking

719
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:19,760
bills or Ravens it was a Josh Rosen guy in the draft so I was so wrong and we've well established

720
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:28,960
this on the pod I was so wrong but Josh Allen has felt so right there's no way in in the world

721
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:36,560
I wouldn't take Patrick Mahomes for this team over Josh Allen because I just think that Josh Allen

722
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:44,960
has literally everything that you want in a modern quarterback top to bottom not to mention

723
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:51,120
durability that Lamar Jackson doesn't have and I think that's one of the biggest deciders for me

724
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:55,760
is Josh Johnson's a fine backup I think is probably a better backup than Mitchell Trebisky

725
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,880
if I could trade them one for one I would but I would never ever move away from Josh Patrick Allen

726
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:07,760
he has everything it takes he probably should have been a MVP twice over instead of Lamar Jackson

727
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:13,040
in a lot of ways but he has the stigma hanging over him and that's a reason I also love him

728
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:18,480
is that the league and the national reporters hate him and that I think is a very bills it's a very

729
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:25,840
bills vibe to have is that you are always disputed and unrespected and underappreciated and so for all

730
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:31,760
those reasons it's Josh Allen you're right about him having you know I think in his he has more total

731
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:37,920
touchdowns than any player in their first six seasons in the league history he has more game

732
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:44,800
winning drives and fourth quarter comebacks than all but Jim Kelly on the bills already in his

733
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:51,040
young career I just I can't pick anybody else my friend and this is no offense to Lamar but Josh has

734
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:57,520
done it in the regular season and he's done it in the postseason against multiple times going up against

735
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:04,080
the best QB of this generation and Patrick Mahoney so it's Josh all day and twice on Sunday it's

736
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:11,920
Josh and just to go back to my previous point I'm with you I agree that until he proves otherwise

737
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:17,600
Patrick Mahomes is number one and Josh is number two of this generation for me and I still wouldn't

738
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,840
take Patrick Mahomes because he's weird and he's got a weird voice and I just don't like him personally

739
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:30,240
it how let's just take a step back though like we are living in an era where we get to watch

740
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:37,840
Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson to a lesser extent for me Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert

741
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:43,920
if he's healthy there's some real Jordan Love, CJ Stroud if they take the next step dude it's a

742
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:49,840
good time just to be a football fan because it's not too long ago that we had to suffer through

743
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:57,760
Case Keenum, Nick Foles, Blake Bortles and Tom Brady in the championship round of the 2017 playoffs

744
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:04,400
right and I was thinking of that too other than Peyton and Brady and maybe one other court there

745
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:09,840
was like there was a dearth of talent at that position for so long during the whole time the

746
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:15,920
bills were void of a reasonable quarterback most of the league was void of a reasonable quarterback

747
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,640
and I could argue that part of Brady's greatness and I won't disagree that he's the greatest

748
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:25,360
quarterback to ever play the game it's proved is he's got the rings he's got the touchdown

749
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:32,640
you know he has 635 touchdowns what the what he's he I don't want to talk we spent so much time

750
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:37,120
talking about Brady I'm glad he's Brady in therapy no I don't want to talk about him again I don't

751
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:42,080
want to talk about I'm glad he's gone but what I'm saying is you know here's here's a gift for

752
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:47,920
you bills mafia I think part of his greatness is that he didn't have shit to go against yeah I

753
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:52,240
think especially when you look at the AFC East in the divisional games he had to play like he was

754
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:57,760
going against up against nobodies and yeah some girls yeah still managed to lose to Rex Ryan and

755
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:04,160
best of back here somehow unbelievable all right let's move on I got one more of these things that

756
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:08,800
I want to do for the sake of time and you've already leaned into this a little bit I want to

757
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:16,880
talk about running backs what running back room JJ would you prefer to have the Miami Dolphins or

758
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:23,440
the Buffalo Bills and before you you jump on that one the Miami Dolphins last year had the third

759
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:29,520
highest success rate in the run game in the entire league last year the Buffalo Bills however

760
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:35,920
were first and the 49ers were sandwiched in between them at number two we also know JJ

761
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:42,240
that this depth chart for the Miami Dolphins is built fully and wholly on speed they've got Rahim

762
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:49,120
Mostert Devon HN Jalen Wright as part of their threesome in the running back room the Buffalo

763
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:54,800
Bills they take a little bit more balanced approach both are going to have run heavy schemes both are

764
01:08:54,800 --> 01:09:01,040
going to run successfully out of 11 and 12 personnel JJ who do you got you got the dolphins or you

765
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:07,840
got the bills dolphins it's the dolphins oh my god I'm so sorry it's the dolphins because I know

766
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:13,600
I'm disappointing a lot of people and I'm glad we didn't do team rankings I'll tell you why I'll

767
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:19,760
tell you what this is the thing though I don't this is why this exercise is fun is because it's

768
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:24,640
not me saying that the Buffalo Bills aren't a good team or they're not competitive it's that

769
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:31,120
they can't possibly have the best unit in every phase of their roster this is impossible in the

770
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:35,120
modern NFL there's just not enough money there's not enough resources not enough high draft picks

771
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:43,360
so for that reason I do think that Devon HN is a better running back than anyone the bills have

772
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:51,520
in terms of that dude just makes explosive plays happen uh James Cook can do that but he still seems

773
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:57,280
to be chased down by most def defensive players in the league like he he doesn't have the kind of

774
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:02,640
speed where you're just like you have to scheme specifically for it and worry about it and the

775
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:09,200
reason I choose the dolphins running backs is because it I'm like salivating at the concept of

776
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:16,560
having the dolphin speed behind the incredibly better skilled and equipped bills offensive line

777
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,800
because I think we can both agree the dolphins offensive line was a mess the both the past two

778
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:25,840
years like they were good at running the ball but their greatest skill is that two against the ball

779
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:33,040
out in less than 2.8 seconds because they are not a good offensive line overall and so I imagine the

780
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:37,360
kind of speed that the dolphins have which is relatively unmatched in the league in the running

781
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:44,960
back room behind a more capable bigger more of a bully offensive line and it's absolutely bonkers

782
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:54,320
yeah I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna agree with you and I'm gonna go dolphins oh god I

783
01:10:54,320 --> 01:11:00,160
got convinced here you did you did I was gonna make the argument that the bills running back room

784
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:06,240
is more well rounded they are more effective in the past catching game which is true but at the end

785
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:13,120
of the day it is hard to teach speed and it especially when you think of some of the run gap

786
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:19,600
concepts that the bills want to do right man that speed could kill and listen it is measurably

787
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:28,160
demonstrably a fast backfield last season James Cook had 45 runs that were 15 plus miles an hour

788
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:36,240
according to NFL next gen stats none that were over 20 miles an hour divan hn had six runs last year

789
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:44,080
that were over 20 miles an hour Raheem mostert had three those dudes move man they absolutely move

790
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:49,760
and I get that there would be a little bit of I get there would be a little bit of loss of production

791
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,880
and catches out of the backfield but in the traditional run game you put the buffalo bills

792
01:11:54,880 --> 01:12:00,240
in that scheme behind that offensive line or you put these guys on the bills with that scheme in

793
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:06,800
that offensive line shoot dude and again go through the exercise you're probably going to take James

794
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:12,160
Cook second but you'd be hard pressed not to take Raheem mostert or Devon Hn first again pending

795
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:17,120
health and that's the thing the Stolphins running back room has been injury depleted over the past

796
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:23,680
few years yeah no I think that there's there's other factors certainly the injuries come into play

797
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:28,960
Raheem mostert is one of those players who has not been sturdy or reliable and and when your best

798
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:34,880
ability is availability he hasn't necessarily hit during his career again this is sort of like a

799
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:41,360
fantasy draft we're not it's assuming everybody's healthy and everyone plays a full season um I do

800
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:46,480
agree with you and the fact that you brought up the speed component that I've already talked about

801
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:52,480
but in terms of actual tangible miles per hour I think about some of the runs that James Cook had

802
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:57,440
where we were like oh my gosh he's going to cut off on the edge but he turned the corner and turned

803
01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:03,280
a two-yard loss or a two-yard gain until ten yard or 14-yard gain Devon Hn may turn that into a

804
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:09,600
touchdown if he secures the corner on a defensive end or linebacker who can't reach him and that's

805
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,440
the difference between 15 miles an hour and 20 miles an hour and that's why it's a stat that

806
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:20,640
matters Cook his acceleration is smooth and seamless and he will get to points on the field

807
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:27,520
you do not expect him to Hn and mostert because of their raw speed can exploit that even further

808
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:32,960
basically what we're saying is we're taking a good situation with Cook to great with these guys

809
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:37,760
behind that offensive line right we're not dog and cook or anything like that or Ray Davis but

810
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:43,760
but room for room this is a pretty enticing option but man it's closer than you would think right

811
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:49,120
like you could really debate this all day and go either way and I think that's a good one to end on

812
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:54,000
right so we've given you our thoughts on the 53 man we've played a little bit of would you rather

813
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:59,040
we're gonna put some polls up on social media at Buffalo bread pod wherever you check you can check

814
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:04,080
us out on threads you can check us out on facebook you can check us out on instagram i'll put up

815
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:09,680
some poll options for you see if you agree with what JJ and I picked as far as room superiority

816
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,920
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