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All right, welcome back to the Buffalo Bread podcast.

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JJ here with me as always Dan.

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And we are, we're jumping ahead tonight.

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Tonight's March 1st, we're jumping ahead to do some draft deep dive

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on the offensive side of the ball.

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The big news this week, of course, is the combine happening,

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has been happening since Monday, wraps up this weekend.

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And we have, you know, the exciting wide receivers running backs

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and others are doing the skill, skill-based and speed-based competition stuff

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and testing tomorrow.

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They like to keep that stuff for the weekend because I think they recognize

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that there's some eyeballs that are going to be on it in the working masses.

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What do you think about that?

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And how excited are you to talk draft prospects?

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Very excited.

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And my eyeballs, JJ, will be some of the eyeballs the NFL is looking to attract

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with their, their weekend placement of testing for NFL skill positions.

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I've really enjoyed breaking down a lot of the media coverage of interviews

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and things like that that allow these prospects have been doing.

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Lots of interesting stuff coming out of Bill's camp with regard to both the

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offensive and the defensive players that they have met with in the interview

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process so far.

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But I think it makes sense to start with the offense, JJ, because it is very

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likely that within the first three rounds, the bills are going to have to,

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depending on what happens with Gabe Davis, draft his replacement with a

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premium pick, but then also potentially nab a person with said premium pick

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that could be Stefan Diggs replacement down the road.

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This is a very, very deep wide receiver class.

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And unlike last year, where we had a lot of slot type of horizontal type of

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threats, this year features a lot of the bigger targets that we know Josh

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Ellen likes and features some guys that can take the top off defenses.

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And it is something the bills are sorely lacking as we have discussed ad nauseum.

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So JJ, I am dying to get into it, especially in the offensive side of the ball.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And I think that, you know, we'll get into the actual names of the prospects.

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We've talked about a couple of people, especially in top end talent.

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We've talked about some of the top draft picks that are going to go on the

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wide receiver position specifically, because I think that as we, you know,

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have lined up the Buffalo bills, aside from what's going to happen in free

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agency need to find a starter wide receiver, kind of a number two outside

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X type receiver, they need to find a starting safety will talk about defense

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in a future week's pod.

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And they need to find like a boatload of defensive line talent.

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That's really those are the holes we see right now on the team.

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And some of those will be addressed by the draft.

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It's pretty widely accepted that in the draft, you are looking at your first

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and second pick, your first round and second round pick as likely starters

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or impact starters with your third, fourth, fifth, you know, if you hit on

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somebody who gets meaningful snaps in any of those three middle rounds,

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you tend to, you know, be a plus draft team.

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That's pretty good talent and value at those positions.

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And then the sixth, seventh round are usually, you know, if you get

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contributions from those players, you're got a good scouting department that

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are really identifying some traits that are NFL ready on players that are

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not expected to make a big contribution.

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And so that's the way we're going to kind of break down these conversations

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as we're talking about some of the prospects in terms of that rank, kind

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of first and second, and then middle three, and then six, seven and

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undrafted free agents.

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Of course, the rookies that are not picked in the draft will be picked up

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by teams oftentimes after the after the fact.

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Yeah, man, I love that setup and I want to get right into it.

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So you want to start, I think we should start with the premium position

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and the highest position of offensive need for the bills, which is wide receiver.

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So JJ, why don't you give me a little bit of, let's start with that like tier one

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first, second round-ish area.

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What are some of the guys that you are looking at for the bills to potentially

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use that first or second round pick on at the wide receiver spot?

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Yeah, my absolute A number one is Brian Thomas,

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junior from LSU.

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He's probably a top 20 pick and it's the kind of player that, you know,

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he's widely regarded as probably the fourth best.

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So it's of course Marvin Harrison, junior and Roma Dunze at the top

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and then Malik neighbors also at the top.

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Those three are the top three and then Brian Thomas, junior, it makes up that kind of,

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it kind of stands alone in that four spot of the fourth best wide receiver in this class

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by most draft, you know, draft nicks.

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That's the player that I see.

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If the bills, if in Brandon Bean, we know he loves up to trade up for his guy.

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If Brandon Bean is going up in the draft, I think it's for Brian Thomas, junior.

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6-4-2-0-5 from LSU led the entire country in touchdown, touchdown receptions this year.

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Just an absolute machine can do everything polished for a bigger body,

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fast for a bigger body is probably going to run in the 4-4s this weekend.

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He's aiming for 4-3 if you listen to any of the hype coming out of the combine.

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Well, and you know, I think Bill's mafia or Brandon Bean at least is hoping he runs a 4-6.

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I know, right?

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Because the 40 yard dash is, it's funny because it's such a weird thing, right?

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Like it's a one single, it's, I think they get two attempts, right?

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It's two attempts in time that set their value to all these draft, you know, team draft specialists.

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And it's like that, you know, just if the guy slightly stubs his toe, it's going to change everything for his whole life.

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So just find it funny that we put so much weight on the 40.

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Because yeah, I guess it's an overall, you know, assessment of speed.

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What I believe the 40 teaches you is whether or not somebody's willing to put the work in, in the, you know, off season, in training,

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in order to really work towards the goal and get it.

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I think that's mostly what they're, you're learning from these prospects is if somebody hits like an absolutely insane 40,

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it means that whether, you know, whether they're naturally gifted that fast or from the time that the college season ended,

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they've been working very hard at it.

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And that's a good trait for a person to have that kind of hard work grind it mentality.

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Yeah, for sure.

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And listen, there is running in gym short speed and there is game speed.

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And the game speed of Brian Thomas Jr. shows up all over his film.

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And in the SEC playing at LSU, he was playing against a lot of really talented secondaries and a lot of really talented cornerbacks made many of them,

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some of whom will be drafted at the end of April here in 2024, made a lot of them look silly.

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Now, in LSU, I would say the one knock on him, it'll be interesting to see how he manages some of these skill drills at the combine.

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And it doesn't show up on film, did not have to run a lot of complex routes was not really a in breaking kind of guy.

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He really was a pure vertical threat for Jane Daniels and that LSU attack.

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So I think there are valid questions about how complete his route tree is. But based on where he would slot into a Buffalo Bills offense,

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you already have a route technician in Stefan Diggs, you have to me who is a very underrated route runner and Cleal Shakir in the slot,

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you would be looking in this first year at a guy like Brian Thomas Jr. to be that vertical threat that can alleviate a lot of the pressure when defense is condensed on that short area game

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that Joe Brady was so adept at scheming last year, he can alleviate a lot of that pressure.

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And in year one, that's really all you need a wide receiver to opposite Diggs and Shakir to do is take the pressure off of that offense by taking the top off of the defense.

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So Thomas to me is definitely a guy that can do that. And then the route running will come in year two and year three as he becomes a more complete wide receiver.

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Absolutely. And I think that the other thing that is worthwhile is talking about, you know, oftentimes, I don't know if it was Daniel Jeremiah or another kind of draft expert was talking about Brian Thomas

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and said often fast guys aren't smooth. And guys aren't, you know, quick guys aren't fast or something like that.

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Essentially, you know, when you see a really smooth strider, you don't often see them be very quick in and out of breaks and things like that choppy right those choppy movement.

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He somehow combines that because he's long you six four he's got big hands got long arms.

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But yet he can also be snappy at the top of his root stem. And that I think is like that's why he's the fourth best wide receiver in the class and that's why I think that he's he's my number one target who I believe is somewhat realistic.

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But it could all be blown up when he goes 12th overall right like we don't know what the top of the board is going to look like and he's that good.

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But again, that he's the type of player that if he slides, I believe he if he's in striking range Brandon Bean might go up and get him, because he does also kind of have the kind of the body type projection production over a number of years in college against

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top tier talent that he could, you know, grow from that experience he has into a bona fide number one outside receiver once digs kind of ages out of that position.

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I agree. And if you're looking at a place where the bills may trade up because I've seen a lot of like, hope him out on bills Twitter, they're like, yeah, we're going to trade up with the bears for number nine and we're going to get Roma dunes.

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I'm like, we're not we're not trading that level of of future draft capital to get a guy even as good as a dunes.

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But if you are looking for the bills to get aggressive and get their guy if their guy is still on the board, I would look at right around pick 20, which always seems to be the the place where the chiefs and the bills tend to play around with as they look to move up in the draft.

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Starting at round 20, you've got the Pittsburgh Steelers who seem pretty set right now at wide receiver with the trio that they've got. You've got the Miami Dolphins who are going to have a plethora of needs sitting at 21.

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They're probably going to need defensive line help. They're also going to need offensive line help. But you know that Josh, you know that Mike McDaniel loves a fast guy and they need wide receiver depth pretty desperately behind both Waddle and Hill.

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They wouldn't rule out wide receiver there. The Eagles seem pretty set with their wide receiver room, but depth could be a place that they go. Then you've got the Texans and then here is where it gets interesting for me.

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Pick 24, pick 25, pick 26. Two of these three picks between the Cowboys Packers and Buccaneers respectively could very well be wide receiver.

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Dallas Cowboys desperately need a legit number two behind CD Lamb. The Green Bay Packers have a pretty young trio, but you never know what they could potentially add.

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But the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are likely going to lose Mike Evans. This to me, if you're Brandon Bean and you are shopping around for a wide receiver, this is where Brian Thomas could likely go if he goes before number 28.

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Because both Dallas and Tampa Bay are looking for a wide receiver of exactly the profile that Brian Thomas Jr. is. So if you're looking for a trade up, I'm looking 23 and above for the Bills to make that move.

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If they really do feel like Thomas or another one of these X style wide receivers is their guy.

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Yeah, absolutely. And I think that there's a couple of other receivers who are in that kind of X size. And when we talk about an X receiver, we're really just talking about an outside receiver who's got the length and body type where they can kind of get off press, play along the boundaries.

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Somebody who's over 6'1 usually, smaller, faster, quick guys will play in the slot. And I think that Khalil Shakur is like six feet, even maybe a 6'1. So he's like very borderline.

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I think he listed 6'2. I'll look that up.

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Yeah, no problem. But he doesn't really have the play style of an receiver. He can when he needs to. But he's not somebody who you look at. You're like, oh, that is the outside style field stretcher guy.

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Like he tends to trend more towards the play style of a slot receiver. And so the couple of people that I look at as possibilities for the Bills that also might fall.

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And I wouldn't be upset if they picked at 28, 29 in that area. Our Troy Franklin and AD Mitchell at Deny Mitchell out of Texas, Troy Franklin's out of Oregon.

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The reason that they are at the bottom, they both have great productivity. They both will probably test very well on the speed and quickness categories.

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But the reason that they are below those top four is because they're a little bit light, you know, AD Mitchell 6'4, Troy Franklin 6'3, 187 and AD Mitchell is just below 200 pounds.

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So when you're looking for a true X outside receiver, number one receiver, you're looking for somebody who's 6'3, 6'4 over 200 pounds, thickly built, because it's proven.

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And this is the thing that kind of, you know, scouts and things will look at when they're drafting. It's proven in the league that injury rates go up.

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I mean, look at Tank Dell undersized light, couldn't make it through his rookie season, which started out amazing, right?

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Like, so there's a lot of different schools of thought that go into this. And one of them is a lighter, thinner wide receiver is more likely to get banged up.

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And so that's the reason some of them are a little bit lower. And then also Troy Franklin and the Mitchell, you know, productivity hasn't been consistent.

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They're sort of one hit wonders in a lot of ways.

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Totally. You were told right about Shakir listed exactly at six feet, right? So no idea what I was talking about.

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But yeah, that's okay. I wasn't going to call you out on the pod. But I'll call myself out right. Yeah.

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I love a Donnie Mitchell, a D Mitchell from Texas. And he is one who could very quickly shoot up a lot of draft boards for it for a few teams.

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He's listed right now at the combine at six four, I think he weighed in at 194.

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He is his size and speed combination. There are teams that I think are dying to see what he runs in the 40, because he's promised for two, if he can get a good start off the blocks.

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And we have seen on film his very good hands. He had a lot of drop issues in 2022.

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Really corrected that in this 2023 season. He's got that great short area burst as well and his footwork for a dude that tall is incredible.

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If he ends up posting a four to you get a team who's like, you know what, we can add 10 pounds to his frame to make him a little bit more durable on the outside.

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This dude becomes a problem. And he is one right now graded in that round two area. I could see rising as a result of what happens at the combine this weekend.

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Yeah, and honestly, I think that that's the kind of thing is like I'm not upset if bills picking at the end of the first round take either Troy Franklin or a D Mitchell.

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I'm cool with those guys.

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Even though you know, 80 Mitchell is probably atop of the second rounder Troy Franklin's late first early second terms that comes terms their grades.

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A player I do not want the bills to pick at all like please do not pick this player is Keon Coleman.

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Because I watched a couple I watched a couple of his full games. And I think that he's probably going to test well that's going to somebody's going to fall in love with him for a speed and in the classic mode of like, you know, the toxic relationships be like I can fix him.

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He has he has a massive problem separating. That's my biggest thing is like he's got some some wild plays and some sparkle plays, where he like maybe the best contested catch receiver in this class.

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But it's because he's never separating. And that's always a red flag to me if somebody is coming out in the draft and they're and people are talking about how good they are on contested catches.

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All I'm hearing is that they're never going to separate at the NFL level because that means they couldn't separate at the collegiate level against inferior opponents.

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So I was banging the Keon Coleman drum very early on in the process and then I started watching some of his game film and he is he is almost erased completely on a play when when he faces press coverage.

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And that is not something I expected to see for a guy who is listed as a bill of six four in two 15.

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Very impressive game early on first game of the season against LSU then didn't have another hundred yards receiving game until he played Syracuse and the ACC is not not necessarily sporting a lot of really great secondary competition.

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Right. So the production and what you see on film for a guy who is such a physical specimen to play with such a lack of physicality everywhere except usually the point of catch is definitely concerning.

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And I think you know we've talked about this before.

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Josh Allen does not does not like to anticipate his throws.

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He doesn't like to anticipate his windows.

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He likes to see his guys get a little bit of daylight before he lets go of the ball.

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A guy like Coleman who is not an elite separation guy doesn't feel worthy of a first round pick.

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If he is going to bring you a lot of the same issues that the guy who's replacing Gabe Davis brought you which was not really great route running is OK at the point of catch but doesn't play with him.

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Can't be to jam can't run around can't get a lot of separation can't play with the physicality you need a guy of that size and build to do.

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So no I'm with you if he's around in the second round.

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It may be the bill's take a flyer on him but I cannot see him I cannot see him as one that the bills are trade up for or use the 28th pick on.

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Yeah I don't even like him.

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I don't like him if he falls to the bill's pick at 60 only because and this is not totally against him I think that's probably a good value for him if he falls to that spot because he does have some nice traits and some traits that you won't find later in the draft in terms of that size speed you know mesh.

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But the reason I'm saying not at 60 is because if you haven't gotten your wide receiver at 60 I think there's some other there's some other needs that are going to be the value match is going to be excellent in that 60 spot for like defensive tackle interior defensive line.

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And it might be better to wait later because like the way I see Keon Coleman he's somebody who has a flaw great trades great kind of body size and speed and stuff like that.

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But he has a big enough flaw that I you know there are guys we'll talk about in the three to five and six and seven round at wide receiver who you know I'm cool with because they're the same right like they have one really wow trait and then they have a couple of flaws that they're not going to win with those traits so.

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One say I will say about Coleman he catches freaking everything. Yeah if the ball gets near him his catch radius is insane. Yes he doesn't he doesn't separate at an elite level and I think that is a non starter for the QB that we have but he is like really sure handed like his drop rate low and there are balls where you watch his film.

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He has no business picking up that he picks up. I mean his catch radius is insane.

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Absolutely. But that you know who else had an insane catch radius out of Florida State.

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Who are you going to say was it Calvin Benjamin.

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Calvin Benjamin. Yes.

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Was it Kelvin Benjamin.

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Calvin Benjamin was six five two hundred plus had an insane catch radius and was getting contested balls in the red zone all day.

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Are you saying Florida State only produces guys that can catch the ball if they're in tight coverage in the college level and in that level.

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I mean that I'm sure you can go far enough and find one Florida State receiver who's awesome but I can't think of one off the top of my head.

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Oh dear God you know what neither can I but there's got to be. Let me oh my God.

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I'm going to Google this.

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You Google that and I'm going to talk about a couple of players that are in that second round target.

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So if I'm in the second one person it's worth mentioning because I actually love what he did at the senior bowl and I love watching him on tape is Lad McConkey.

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I just don't think he's like a proper fit for what the bills really need the spot they need to fill on their offense is not a small shifty slot type receiver.

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But he is just so cool as a route runner.

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I think he has excellent separation.

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I mean even if the bills ended up picking him up it would be the kind of thing where they're voting with with Joe Brady's confidence that he can make him productive and I'd be pretty good with it.

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He played in Georgia so top level competition absolutely lit up the senior bowl made some top.

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He might be the most crisp route runner in the whole thing.

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Vlad McConkey probably end of the first early second Roman Wilson out of Michigan only six feet tall and less than 200 pounds but actually plays bigger than Keon Coleman like very thick in the lower body and does you know make make some people pay a little bit more physicality and then

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Germain Burton out of Alabama again SEC competition top tier competition and you know without an excellent quarterback made some hay has consistently performed between you know four and 500 snaps per season and so shown some good things he's a he's a senior

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and you know the bills like the draft senior so Germain Burton is somebody that if the bills end up going like defense in round one I could see them taking Germain Burton in round two or even trading up into get him.

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Yeah, lad McConkey feels like a duplicative set of skills with cool Shakira.

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Yeah, right.

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But I mean everyone is like salivating over his senior bowl tape.

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It was impressive and there are a lot of guys at the combine that are smarter than me who are saying that McConkey has real inside outside versatility.

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So don't let the size profile fool you.

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He is a guy that can get separation against bigger corners on the outside.

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I you know, McConkey I agree with you I think right now he's probably second round pending what happens at the combine this weekend.

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I could see a team like Kansas City or I could even see a team like Miami talking themselves into him somewhere in the first round.

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I really could.

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You know Miami still doesn't have a lot of draft capital and they have a lot of needs.

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I could see them draft going down in the draft to accumulate more picks and then use a later a letter first round pick and a guy like McConkey and still package maybe another third or second round pick to then build up that offensive line a little bit because it's a deep tackle class as well.

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So there could be some shenanigans around McConkey depending on what kind of numbers the student actually ends up putting up at the combine.

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What are your thoughts on Javan Baker out of Central Florida?

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Have you done any work on him yet?

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No, no I'm watching his stuff.

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I am quickly becoming he's not like Pukinakua for me yet.

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I've got a different Pukinakua we'll talk about when we get to around six and seven at wide receiver.

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But he feels like a dude that could be in the second or third round pretty easy.

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Wide receiver out of wide receiver out of University of Central Florida has a lot of great route running on tape is a big play threat has real game speed as well.

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Decent catch radius. He feels like a dude to me that could really sneak into the second round especially the latter part of that second round.

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If the bills end up going if the bills end up going defense for whatever reason in the first round which you know I'm highly against.

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But he feels like a guy who depending on how he grades out throughout the rest of the pre draft process feels like a guy to me that could be there for the bills in the second or even the third round.

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Maybe even like one of the double dips that we talked about in the wide receiver position by really like this kid Baker out of Central Florida.

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I'll tell you whom I like second and third round.

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I already talked about Jermaine Burton as like kind of a higher in the second round guy but down lower in the second round depending on how he tests Xavier worthy out of Texas.

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That's the dude who said he was going to run a four to not where they say he was going to run a four to.

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So thank you.

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He is he is fast like when I watched I watched a couple of his games.

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He watched I watched him against Oklahoma.

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But he just like every route he ran all like all I kept thinking is Tyree kill.

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This is Tyree kill like he moves on the field like Tyree kill.

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It's like so sudden that every player on the opposing defense just gives him cushion in every possible direction until he commits and then they may get made look foolish when he breaks it off and runs a different direction.

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Like it's he I mean geez he's not the body type or like the length that you know a traditional ex receiver has but he is so fun to watch and I would love to see what Joe Brady could do with him.

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And he's probably going to be there in the middle of the second round into the end of the second round.

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And if he is I think that you know if they again a double dip or if the bills haven't addressed wide receiver yet he's somebody that could be exciting.

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Brendan Rice Jerry Rice's son.

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And the reason I say this is because anybody who watched you know we're old enough to to have seen Jerry Rice when he was playing.

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You know when we're teenagers and stuff he it's just like the bloodlines like he's not a super high prospect he's probably ranked in the late third early fourth round.

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Or you know late second early third round I guess he the bloodlines are strong and like his father had the the like best work ethic of any wide receiver in the league because Jerry Rice was talented of course like he's a Hall of Famer.

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But more than more than that he just out worked everybody he's one of the first wide receivers in the league in his era to like work around the clock all season all off season to work on his craft and perfect it and work on his speed work on his body like there was a lot of people taking summers off back then and he was not one of them so that's one

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thing that I like a little bit is is Brendan Rice is not coming out for all of that kind of you know notoriety not coming out super high in this draft but I bet you if it was a worse class he's easily atop of the second round player.

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Yeah for sure. I've got rice in my like fifth to sixth round picks. So if the bills end up going wide receiver one. I think rice could potentially be there for him for them at the end of the fourth round but very likely in the fifth or sixth round and he could be another great double dip option.

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I like I really like his game and when I watch him on film I see shades of a taller cool Shakir so what I love about Shakir is that Shakir is not sudden in his routes but he's very smooth on his release and his release is always on time like I watch film of the bills and I feel like Shakir is just always open

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when Ellen needs him to be open and I feel like rice with a little bit development could be a taller version of that because he is he's a very long strider so he doesn't have a lot of that short area twitchiness that you like to see for guys that are running some of these

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in breaking routes but what he does have is a very smooth almost casual release off of his route but then he takes one or two big long strides and he gains a lot of separation again not elite speed to me and because his route release is so smooth like border

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borderline like looks almost effortless on tape but like in the bad way effortless like he's not trying you know I think I think he's a guy that despite the bloodlines could end up dropping now if he goes to the combine and runs like a four three

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I think he's probably a pretty easy third round pick but he is a dude I could see later on in the draft the bills really pick up

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nice

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but what are your thoughts have you checked out a Malachi Corley or Malik Washington both yes okay and I agree with you I don't I don't think they I don't think they fit with the bills are looking for I don't think they're yeah I don't think they fill with the bills are looking for but some team that really need slot you know slot players is going to pick one of these two guys

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I think Malik Washington might be my Pukinakua that like is going to go in the fifth sixth round and somebody's going to get him and just you know it like the world on fire mostly because of his like he played against some some decent competition and his like grade verse man coverage

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to the other thing is that according to pfs draft guide is like outrageous he catches you know his separation is outrageous very fast but he's so small I mean 58194

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and so I think that he could probably he's going to make some hay I think calling it

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you know there are other targets in the kind of middle rounds because we we've talked about our you know what do you think about tess walker or Jalen polk you know Jalen polk is interesting to me he has the opposite problem of Brendan Rice Polk is like a really short

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so as a result of that he's he's very choppy right and he doesn't hit as a result he doesn't hit his top gear his top end speed very quickly so he's a very very choppy route runner all of the smoothness that you would attribute to to a guy like Rice he does not have right

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but he is not sudden in his releases he is jerky so I think with some development absolutely because you've got to love the overall athletic profile but he is a dude I think that is a little bit more of a project and he definitely needs an alpha dog playing next to him

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like he did in Washington with a dude say this year yeah Jalen Polk 62 out of Washington he's a sophomore coming out so you have the kind of upside of a younger player who you can develop a little bit and has played about half his snaps inside half his snaps outside

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as a true ex receiver and then the other one I asked about was tess walker out of North Carolina UNC he's coming out as a junior 22 almost 23 years old 62 200 so he does have X size

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and I haven't done a lot of work on Walker as of yet but based on the little bit that I have read and I'm curious to see where he grades out at the combine I think he's at the combine this weekend I'd be curious about him again in those ladder rounds like I got to tell you most of my draft board JJ is guys I would

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take in the first round and then guys I would take in the sixth fifth sixth or seventh round because I've reserved the middle rounds for safety's linebackers and God's guards yeah like I am so planting a flag and wide receiver round one and like I have

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trumpeted this cause for two pods now going on three like if if I am I feel like if I am looking at second and third and fourth round round wide receivers it is giving Brandon being tacit permission to pull the trigger on a freaking edge and round one right

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like Greg Russo Robinson who just ran a four four I know right but like for the love of God and I'm hearing the rationalization already in some in bills Twitter and bills media like what would you rather have wide receiver six at 28 or edge like three in this draft

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I want wide receiver freaking six man because edge three is not getting to Patrick well let me not getting to Patrick well let me let me ask you this question is is lie out to lot to worth it at 28

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that's that's a silly question he's like a top 10 prospect in the draft that never had that's not going to happen he was medically he was medically retired from football before he transferred and so there's like depending on how the

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medicals go at the at the combine there's a chance he could drop some he he's great it's so high though it would it I mean but what I'm saying I get what you're saying I go to say I'm asking the question of like if it's if it's edge one right or two I guess he's two

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I mean he's my edge one okay yeah um because it's him and and who else the kid out of Alabama yeah yeah German Jurst Jurst round yeah yeah he he um oh my God why are we forgetting his name because we're talking about defense next week that's why

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I'll look him up yeah because I have not committed any round one edges to memory at JJ because this is wider this is the year wide receiver round one don't make me talk about this this is wide receiver round one Dallas Turner Dallas Turner is the edge from Alabama

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Jared versus the guy from FSU and then we're into a lot to yeah I've got I've got I think versus probably edge three and yeah so like if I know no still no no it's good I want to that's the it's a question I was asking I wanted to know if it was like one of the top

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premier edge defenders which is a severe need for the bills if you would still feel wide receiver one it's a need right but there's no Miles Garrett in this draft there is no Nick or Joey Bosa true draft right so like the drop off between a verse or a

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Turner down to some of these guys that you could get in the second and third round is not that severe for me whereas wide receiver again when you look at the specific profile the bills need I feel like on this roster there is a bit of a drop off there

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not just in the in the quality or caliber of the prospect but in the overall physical profile that you're looking to fill a very specific need on this roster there is a drop off so I would still say no right do you want to talk about like late round

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wide receiver receivers wide receiver sleepers and then go on to some other potentially sneaky offensive areas of need yes alright I want to I want to talk to you about my Pukin a cool and this guy might not even get drafted because right now he's not in a lot of draft

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he's not on a lot of top 256 big boards right now he's not even on a lot of top 300 big boards but this is a guy when you watch on film really really jumps this guy is bub means from the University of

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Pittsburgh bub means no I don't even know that name sit learn this name and watch watch some tape on this dude 6 to 215 red shirt senior out of the University of Pittsburgh fast big great route runner he is an absolute beast at the point of catch

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and there are a lot of there are a lot of boards that have this kid not even getting drafted going full UDF to me he feels like a great seventh round steel for the bills if they're looking for that wide receiver double debt he was listed on the Bruce Feldman Bruce Feldman

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Bruce Feldman college freaks list he was listed as number six on the list this year right okay I mean six to plays bigger than that big frame at six two and two 15 and the speed the game speed anyway no idea what he's going to run on the 40 game speed really does pop off he's got great agility

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he's got great burst he could be everything the bills are looking for on the outside okay nice I like that bub means bub means memory bills mafia like that now I love that you're bringing up you know some deep deep cuts for me in that six or seven is is Bryson Nespit oh yeah

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UNC 65 admit he might rise depending on how he tests and different things 65 to 35 like big body played a lot in the slot which I thought found surprising at UNC but the thing that I liked about him is his kind of like game to game grades increased throughout the season so you love that with a junior when it looks like you know it's making more sense to them their awareness is going up game by game and so I think that that's a you know a possibility for the bills to look at

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he had a really good grade verse man coverage for a big body that's nice you know and then also a contested catch rate that's pretty high but that's not the only way he wins

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yeah I love that pic I think that's I think we are bringing great sleeper pics here to this yeah and you know here's the thing there the the the sort of narrative on this class is that after round like for your unlikely to find a lot of great value in rounds five six and seven so I think I was listening to

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the PFF's podcast and they were talking about overall draft picks and right now the bills have 10 which is more than any other team in the draft currently but a lot of those picks are sitting around five six and seven and so the PFF guys said if there was every year where you did not want a lot of those

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picks it would be this year because they feel like the drop off from day two to day three is so significant and I got to tell you though you and I you and I have shared a lot of criticism of being and roster management but where this guy eats is in the fifth six and seventh round

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being seems to find guys that McDermott and that coaching staff can develop in these latter rounds like nobody's business and if there were ever a guy who I would want with that kind of draft stock and draft ammo in those latter rounds looking at guys like

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Bob means it would be Brandon Bean because I don't know that I would trust any other GM and I put Brent Beach up there as well yeah to do as good a job drafting in these latter rounds

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I will give you one more end of the draft wide receiver that I love Hayden Hatton Idaho Vandals yes I know this one too yeah yeah six two two oh five redshirt junior

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but one of those players who like it's hard to it's it's kind of like a who was trying to think of where did Andre Reed come out of what college because he was not a high draft pick

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yeah I need to lose this up he came out of a secondary school but this is what that reminds me of it is this a player with like skills and speed and kind of the body type

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but he just didn't get a lot of pub because he played for the Idaho Vandals his he puts down university okay exactly yeah yes that's what I'm thinking and not to say Hayden had it as the next

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one I'm not sure I read but he's he's kind of got a great build for a wide receiver and what I liked about his game is that he had two consistent years of excellent receiving with very poor quarterback play

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I mean he only had one credited drop but on 131 targets he only had 93 receptions which tells you how close the rest of those hundred you know those 40 or so balls were to him that he only dropped one pass

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totally yeah yeah no that that's a this is this is this is great late round draft fodder like for all of you listening at home we are making you smarter and sound more credible when you talk about the draft if you drop above means

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or you drop some of some other Hayden Hayden Hayden or Brayson Nessburg exactly exactly you this is pure gold this is pure gold for water cooler talk if you are if you continue to talk around water coolers these days I know exactly

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yeah not man I love it and again these are names that bills mafia should commit to memory because Brandon Bean can make some hay in these ladder rounds

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JJ I think everyone feels like wide receiver is the premium position the bills need to focus on on the offensive and defensive side of the ball we're going to talk about defense defensive prospects in this draft a little bit next week

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but I do think there are some other areas of offensive need particularly on the line depending on how free agency and cap casualty season plays out for the Buffalo Bills I think especially with 10 picks I wouldn't be shocked to see the bills splash around

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maybe not in the third round maybe not in the second round but definitely fourth fifth and sixth round splash round of some other areas along the line what are some areas of need along the line you are looking at and what are some names we should keep in mind

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and so I'm looking at tackle because I think that that's the area that you know the bills are very very lucky to to maintain health you know on the outside

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and the two names that I have as as like third third or later like between three and five

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typered

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Kalkovice. Out of pit. We know

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that the bills have a connection

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to the pit coaching staff. Um

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Sean McDermott likes them,

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trust them, and that's a player

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that they could target in that

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kind of third to fourth round.

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Dominic Puni out of Kansas is

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another 6 5 3 20 tackle same kind

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of body type as Matt Kalkovice.

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But his thing is that he is an

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excellent, excellent pass

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blocker. Um he showed very well.

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I think against you know lesser

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like they're good programs, but they're not elite.

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Missouri, right?

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But he, Dominic Pune is one of those targets

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that every time I'm doing like a mock

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and playing through those middle rounds

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is somebody that keeps popping up and I can't pass on him.

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I can't make myself pass on him

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because it's too good of a value at that level in the draft

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and that kind of fourth round,

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top of the fourth, bottom of the third.

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How about you?

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I'm looking, and so much of this depends

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on the Mitch Morris situation

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because as we have noted,

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Mitch Morris could be a cap casualty this year.

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And I think about the level of health

333
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that this Buffalo Bill's offensive line had

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and where I look at where they're weakest,

335
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I tend to look at the interior

336
00:44:03,340 --> 00:44:06,180
because right now Ryan Bates is kind of like your backup

337
00:44:06,180 --> 00:44:07,940
for every interior position,

338
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particularly if you lose David Edwards and free agency.

339
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:14,060
So as a result of that,

340
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I'm thinking the bills are gonna look again at interior.

341
00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:19,060
I know we just been a premium pick on Osiris Torrance,

342
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so I don't believe we go, like I said,

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second or even third round there,

344
00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:26,240
again, pending what happens with Mitch Morris.

345
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:31,180
But I think maybe our comp pick for Tremade Edmonds

346
00:44:31,180 --> 00:44:33,260
or maybe even later in the fourth round,

347
00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:34,780
we could see the bills splash around

348
00:44:34,780 --> 00:44:37,460
with someone who's got center guard versatility.

349
00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:41,060
And I'm looking specifically at a guy like Zach Frazier,

350
00:44:41,060 --> 00:44:42,980
who's the center out of West Virginia.

351
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:48,820
We sir have pined on this pod for one Creed Humphrey

352
00:44:48,820 --> 00:44:53,820
for many, many years, ever since the absolution

353
00:44:54,340 --> 00:44:56,740
and against being pulled and drafting boogie bash him

354
00:44:56,740 --> 00:45:00,780
over Creed Humphrey way back when in the 2021 draft.

355
00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:05,700
I think Zach Frazier would be potentially a way

356
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:08,420
for being to make that up to Bill's mafia.

357
00:45:08,420 --> 00:45:11,780
This dude, 63, 310, he's reliable,

358
00:45:11,780 --> 00:45:13,460
he's got a stout frame.

359
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:19,100
He has an absolute dog in the middle of that offensive line.

360
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,340
And I think he could potentially flip,

361
00:45:21,340 --> 00:45:24,540
swing out to guard until you are ready

362
00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:27,940
to fully replace Mitch Morris and his versatility

363
00:45:27,940 --> 00:45:29,780
in the center of that offensive line.

364
00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:32,140
But Zach Frazier is a guy who I look at,

365
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:35,700
he is likely gonna be, depending on how he grades out

366
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:38,020
and depending on the need that teams put

367
00:45:38,020 --> 00:45:39,660
on this particular position,

368
00:45:39,660 --> 00:45:44,220
he could very well be late second, early third round.

369
00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:47,020
So he may be out of the bills wheelhouse at that point.

370
00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:49,860
But dude, this is a guy I would love to see on the roster

371
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:52,140
if he is there with our comp pic.

372
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:53,460
Okay.

373
00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:56,380
I like it, except I think he's probably gonna go higher.

374
00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:58,260
I think he's gonna be high in the second.

375
00:45:58,260 --> 00:45:59,580
I don't think he's gonna be the-

376
00:45:59,580 --> 00:46:00,420
You think high second?

377
00:46:00,420 --> 00:46:01,260
Yeah.

378
00:46:01,260 --> 00:46:04,380
And only because I think he's the second best center

379
00:46:04,380 --> 00:46:08,540
in the league behind JPJ, Jackson Powers Johnson

380
00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:09,460
out of Oregon.

381
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:12,180
I think he's the second best true center.

382
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:16,020
And I think the center is probably the second highest value

383
00:46:16,020 --> 00:46:17,660
offensive line position.

384
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:20,540
I think it goes in order tackle center guard.

385
00:46:20,540 --> 00:46:21,380
Yeah.

386
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:23,380
I think I've got him third on my list.

387
00:46:23,380 --> 00:46:26,700
I've got Graham Barton who depending on which draft guide

388
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,540
you listen to, he's listed as tackle

389
00:46:29,540 --> 00:46:31,260
and interior offensive line.

390
00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:33,940
So he's a dude that has a lot of line versatility.

391
00:46:33,940 --> 00:46:38,940
But I mean, he played tackle at Duke, but in the pros,

392
00:46:38,940 --> 00:46:42,020
I mean, I think he really does profile out to play interior.

393
00:46:42,020 --> 00:46:46,580
So I've got Jackson Powers Johnson, Graham Barton,

394
00:46:46,580 --> 00:46:48,460
and then I've got Sack Fraser.

395
00:46:48,460 --> 00:46:51,980
But I agree with you, and we've talked about this before.

396
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:56,900
It is getting harder and harder to find reliable prospects

397
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:59,700
on the interior of that offensive line in the draft.

398
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:03,020
I could very well see someone taking a guy like Sack Fraser

399
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:04,300
in the second round.

400
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:07,140
Like it's not beyond a realm of possibility for me.

401
00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:09,100
Well, and I'll say this, and I know we're kind of,

402
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:10,380
I'm jumping around a little bit.

403
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:14,020
We're not going in like that kind of clean order of top tier,

404
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:15,740
second tier, third tier, whatever.

405
00:47:15,740 --> 00:47:20,580
Cooper Beebe, Kansas State guard, senior 6'4, 335,

406
00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:25,500
kind of that ideal build, and played consistent snaps

407
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,500
through his career at K-State.

408
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:30,660
And Cooper Beebe, the thing that's nice about him

409
00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:31,860
is that he's got a versatility.

410
00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:38,300
He's listed as a guard, but he has probably 19-20 snaps

411
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:41,340
each season at left tackle of the last two seasons.

412
00:47:41,340 --> 00:47:44,940
And then in 2021, he played 734 the entire season there.

413
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:48,140
So he's got durability, which I think is really nice.

414
00:47:48,140 --> 00:47:51,380
And then left guard also played snaps at right guard

415
00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:52,300
and right tackle.

416
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:57,860
So he's sort of like a Ryan Bates-esque who plays all

417
00:47:57,860 --> 00:47:59,420
the positions both sides.

418
00:47:59,420 --> 00:48:02,260
So we've talked before about the difference

419
00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:05,900
of playing left or right tackle, left or right guard,

420
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:09,300
and the way that it changes your body mechanics in a trench

421
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:12,380
play, and how that can basically throw somebody.

422
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:15,180
That's probably why we'll never see OSIRIS Torrance flip

423
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:16,220
over to the left guard.

424
00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:19,860
Like, if somebody goes down, even if he's your next best

425
00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:23,380
guard, he'll stay at right, and you'll bring whoever else is

426
00:48:23,380 --> 00:48:25,100
in to spell the left.

427
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:28,180
Because he just has the body mechanics and setup.

428
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:30,580
That's where his true natural set is,

429
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:33,100
and he probably won't be moving around the line.

430
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:34,860
But somebody like Cooper Beebe, you

431
00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:38,580
can get in the fourth or fifth round, or even maybe the sixth.

432
00:48:38,580 --> 00:48:42,500
But is graded incredibly high in pass blocking

433
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:45,020
and in true pass set grades, which

434
00:48:45,020 --> 00:48:49,420
is when, if we're looking at PFF or other analysis sites,

435
00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:53,540
they call a true pass set, pass block grade, is like,

436
00:48:53,540 --> 00:48:56,740
it's not just, it was a pass play, and he did this.

437
00:48:56,740 --> 00:48:58,860
It was a pass play.

438
00:48:58,860 --> 00:49:01,500
No, the defense knew it was coming.

439
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:05,860
He had a one on one, or had to do a real rep in pass blocking,

440
00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:06,820
and it was successful.

441
00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:09,020
So Cooper Beebe is a target for me

442
00:49:09,020 --> 00:49:12,380
in the middle to late, at guard slash tackle,

443
00:49:12,380 --> 00:49:14,100
kind of versatile.

444
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:15,180
That would be great, too.

445
00:49:15,180 --> 00:49:18,500
I mean, and we know the bill's prioritized line versatility

446
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:19,740
all up and down that line.

447
00:49:19,740 --> 00:49:21,700
So that would be an amazing, that

448
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:25,700
would be an amazing late round get for them for sure.

449
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:28,060
JJ, a couple other areas of need here

450
00:49:28,060 --> 00:49:30,780
as we wrap things up on the offense.

451
00:49:30,780 --> 00:49:32,220
And Bill's mafia is going to hate this,

452
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:34,660
but I'm not projecting this to be in the third round.

453
00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:36,900
But I think they're going to dip one of these 10

454
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:38,060
picks into running back.

455
00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:40,500
I think they're going to have to.

456
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:44,300
I think, because I don't think Damien Harris comes back,

457
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:46,700
I think they part ways with the Heem Hines.

458
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:48,980
I think they find a way to bring back Ty Johnson.

459
00:49:48,980 --> 00:49:53,380
But we know that this this Buffalo Bill's coaching staff,

460
00:49:53,380 --> 00:49:57,020
they for whatever reason love to carry three running backs

461
00:49:57,020 --> 00:49:59,260
on the roster at any given time.

462
00:49:59,260 --> 00:50:04,660
So feasibly, if you bring back Cook and you bring back Johnson,

463
00:50:04,660 --> 00:50:07,420
you already kind of have your agile one

464
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:09,540
caught like burner types.

465
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:13,060
So the draft in the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round,

466
00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:15,500
the bills could be looking for that power back

467
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:17,300
to add to the mix.

468
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:20,300
And I present to you a perfect sixth, seventh,

469
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:23,460
or fifth round pick in that regard in Braylon Allen.

470
00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:26,140
Running back out of Wisconsin.

471
00:50:26,140 --> 00:50:26,980
Did you?

472
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:28,380
Did you send me a text about this guy?

473
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:31,180
I sent you a text about this guy like two weeks ago.

474
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:37,740
And I wasn't even looking for him, but I was watching him play

475
00:50:37,740 --> 00:50:40,100
in Wisconsin because I was watching the center,

476
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:43,220
Tanner Bordellini, who's like a late, late, late six

477
00:50:43,220 --> 00:50:46,220
or seven round target for Wisconsin.

478
00:50:46,220 --> 00:50:49,540
I was watching their film for the center play

479
00:50:49,540 --> 00:50:52,020
and Braylon Allen took a snap and I'm like, wait, hold on.

480
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:53,580
What what what the hell is this?

481
00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:54,380
Who is this person?

482
00:50:54,380 --> 00:50:55,900
I've got a little back, Mike.

483
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:58,420
6245.

484
00:50:58,420 --> 00:50:59,380
He's a fullback.

485
00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:01,180
This dude's a fullback, right?

486
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:03,180
Like think Mike All-Star type.

487
00:51:03,180 --> 00:51:06,780
But like so here's the knock on this kid.

488
00:51:06,780 --> 00:51:09,900
And I agree, it's all over his film.

489
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:13,500
He looks remarkably uncomfortable running in space.

490
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:15,860
Like if there is not someone around this kid

491
00:51:15,860 --> 00:51:19,020
that he can knock down with the football in his hands,

492
00:51:19,020 --> 00:51:23,060
he looks a little bit kind of off kilter and off balance.

493
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:25,460
And I think because he played in Wisconsin,

494
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:29,060
it's valid how much of his production was as a result

495
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:32,620
of that offensive line he played behind versus how much of it

496
00:51:32,620 --> 00:51:35,340
is some of his elite athletic traits.

497
00:51:35,340 --> 00:51:39,220
I think teams are going to have a hard time separating those two

498
00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:40,220
factors.

499
00:51:40,220 --> 00:51:42,620
And as a result, I think he's going to be there for the Bills

500
00:51:42,620 --> 00:51:45,500
fifth, sixth, even seventh round potentially.

501
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:50,220
But he is exactly the type of physical running back

502
00:51:50,220 --> 00:51:53,460
that they are looking for that I think would round out

503
00:51:53,460 --> 00:51:54,940
that running back room nicely.

504
00:51:54,940 --> 00:51:57,780
And again, I'm kind of half joking about the fullback thing.

505
00:51:57,780 --> 00:52:01,220
But at 6245, we know the Bills are one of the few teams

506
00:52:01,220 --> 00:52:03,180
that that carry is a fullback.

507
00:52:03,180 --> 00:52:06,260
I am never advocating for getting rid of Reggie Gilliam.

508
00:52:06,260 --> 00:52:07,460
Don't get me wrong.

509
00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:11,060
But at some point, this could be the Gilliam replacement,

510
00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:13,740
given his size and his profile.

511
00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:16,380
The thing you just said about him seeking out contact

512
00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:18,500
made me think of Zack Moss.

513
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:20,700
Do you remember Zack Moss's first?

514
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:24,340
Yeah, dude, I sent you February.

515
00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:25,460
I need to find it.

516
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:27,700
Saturday, February 3rd, I sent you

517
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:31,180
a link to the Braylin Allen Wisconsin Badgers Junior

518
00:52:31,180 --> 00:52:32,260
Highlights.

519
00:52:32,260 --> 00:52:34,300
And I said, if this guy is available in the fifth

520
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:36,100
and other more pressing needs have been met,

521
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:38,660
he is the bruiser they've been looking for.

522
00:52:38,660 --> 00:52:43,220
I mean, seriously, he will run away from open space

523
00:52:43,220 --> 00:52:46,820
to run into a guy because he's just more comfortable

524
00:52:46,820 --> 00:52:48,060
operating in contact.

525
00:52:48,060 --> 00:52:48,740
Absolutely.

526
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:51,900
But my point stands, remember Zack Moss coming out

527
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:55,220
in the drafts that I like to make guys make business decisions

528
00:52:55,220 --> 00:52:58,020
and then showed up and he ended up running into contact

529
00:52:58,020 --> 00:52:59,900
but never making anybody hurt, right?

530
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:04,220
Like, he was, he ran towards contact and never looked tough.

531
00:53:04,220 --> 00:53:07,180
And that's not to say he's not had a good career with the Colts

532
00:53:07,180 --> 00:53:08,300
after the bills let him go.

533
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:11,100
But it's the kind of thing where I hope

534
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:13,460
Braylin Allen carries himself in the NFL

535
00:53:13,460 --> 00:53:14,860
as he does in college.

536
00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:17,140
Because like I said, I was watching Bordellini

537
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:20,420
and I was like, what the hell is going on with this guy?

538
00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:22,580
This back is insane.

539
00:53:22,580 --> 00:53:24,740
That's a good pick, man.

540
00:53:24,740 --> 00:53:32,780
He's probably my draft crush in the terms of the late rounds.

541
00:53:32,780 --> 00:53:36,020
Just because of what he brings to the table.

542
00:53:36,020 --> 00:53:39,020
I guess like, I don't know, it's tough

543
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:42,740
because it's not a good running back class, not really at all.

544
00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:43,940
It's not.

545
00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:47,540
I guess if they're in like the late third, early fourth

546
00:53:47,540 --> 00:53:52,660
Audric Estime, there's 511, 227, also very physical running

547
00:53:52,660 --> 00:53:54,820
style out of Notre Dame.

548
00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:57,060
Braylin Allen is going to be one of the youngest players

549
00:53:57,060 --> 00:53:58,340
drafted in this draft.

550
00:53:58,340 --> 00:54:01,860
Audric Estime is not very far behind him.

551
00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:05,100
He's 20, not even 21.

552
00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:05,980
Oh, yeah.

553
00:54:05,980 --> 00:54:06,340
Yeah.

554
00:54:06,340 --> 00:54:09,580
So like there's a couple of those guys.

555
00:54:09,580 --> 00:54:15,180
Isaac Guerrero out of Louisville is another 6'1", 225.

556
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:18,580
Player he's going to be pretty big.

557
00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:23,420
But it's Braylin Allen for me or nobody in those middle

558
00:54:23,420 --> 00:54:24,340
to late rounds.

559
00:54:24,340 --> 00:54:26,060
And that's the thing with running back

560
00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:30,620
is no matter how the class overall grades out

561
00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:34,020
from draft gurus, there are always guys

562
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:36,500
that you can find at the running back position that

563
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:39,500
can grow into a difference maker in the latter rounds.

564
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:40,540
There are always those.

565
00:54:40,540 --> 00:54:43,180
That's why the position on second year and third year

566
00:54:43,180 --> 00:54:45,300
contracts has been devalued so much.

567
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:49,660
So these are names, again, Bill's Mafia to remember

568
00:54:49,660 --> 00:54:51,180
because it's very likely that you're

569
00:54:51,180 --> 00:54:52,620
going to see them on the roster.

570
00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:55,260
JJ, last position I want to talk about before you wrap up

571
00:54:55,260 --> 00:54:58,140
here, and it might be a surprising one, quarterback.

572
00:54:58,140 --> 00:55:02,060
And it is not because I think we need to replace Josh Allen

573
00:55:02,060 --> 00:55:03,620
to be clear.

574
00:55:03,620 --> 00:55:07,740
But we are at the point with the cap situation of this team

575
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:12,340
and Allen's overall contract that signing a high priced

576
00:55:12,340 --> 00:55:16,220
backup to backup Josh Allen may no longer

577
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:19,340
be a viable option for them.

578
00:55:19,340 --> 00:55:25,900
And we saw this happen with Tom Brady in New England,

579
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:29,740
Garoppolo was a little bit much, but Jarrett Stinnum

580
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:33,100
being drafted teams that typically have great QBs

581
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:37,300
will eventually start to draft younger versions of those QBs

582
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:38,700
to cultivate as backups.

583
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:41,260
One, because their contract controlled.

584
00:55:41,260 --> 00:55:44,220
Two, because if your number one QB goes down in the middle

585
00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:47,620
of the season anyway, regardless of how good of a backup

586
00:55:47,620 --> 00:55:50,620
you have, your season is likely over at that point

587
00:55:50,620 --> 00:55:51,900
to begin with.

588
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:55,820
So you might as well have cheap contract controlled backup.

589
00:55:55,820 --> 00:55:59,020
On the roster so that you're not over investing

590
00:55:59,020 --> 00:56:00,300
in that particular position.

591
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:03,100
I think the bills are there with their cap situation.

592
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:06,180
So I would like to submit for you approval, sir.

593
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:10,780
One Spencer Rattler out of, I think of North Carolina State.

594
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:14,540
I think he's got the physical profile that the bills

595
00:56:14,540 --> 00:56:19,540
would be looking for to try to sustain their offense

596
00:56:19,580 --> 00:56:22,980
in the event of a Josh Allen injury.

597
00:56:22,980 --> 00:56:25,700
May God please never let it happen, right?

598
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:28,580
But if it does, he's got the type of physical profile

599
00:56:28,580 --> 00:56:30,460
and the traits that they would look for

600
00:56:30,460 --> 00:56:32,380
as someone who can run the style of offense

601
00:56:32,380 --> 00:56:33,500
Brady wants to run.

602
00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:36,140
Yeah, I think he has starting potential.

603
00:56:36,140 --> 00:56:37,700
And I think that that would make, you know,

604
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:39,980
you want your backup to have starting potential.

605
00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:42,580
I think he's pretty mature in the position

606
00:56:42,580 --> 00:56:45,900
which I really like in terms of like pocket presence

607
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:47,940
and being able to make plays outside of structure.

608
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:50,300
So I like Spencer Rattler.

609
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:54,220
He is not my number one pick for the backup

610
00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:56,540
to Josh Allen for a long time.

611
00:56:56,540 --> 00:56:58,620
I don't know, can you guess who my guy is?

612
00:56:58,620 --> 00:57:00,380
He's probably a fifth rounder.

613
00:57:00,380 --> 00:57:02,020
Can I guess who your guy is?

614
00:57:02,020 --> 00:57:03,340
Hang on, let me pull up.

615
00:57:03,340 --> 00:57:05,620
There's only like 20 quarterbacks

616
00:57:05,620 --> 00:57:06,900
in this entire draft class.

617
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:07,900
Which is crazy.

618
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:09,340
People think are gonna get drafted.

619
00:57:09,340 --> 00:57:10,660
I know, Ryan.

620
00:57:10,660 --> 00:57:13,020
But I mean, it's also like very true.

621
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:14,660
It's a very top heavy class.

622
00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:17,740
And then after that, I mean, it's a lot, it's a crap shoot.

623
00:57:17,740 --> 00:57:22,740
So fifth rounder QB actually has a chance to get drafted.

624
00:57:22,740 --> 00:57:24,980
Let me see here.

625
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:27,060
Let me pull up my QB list.

626
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:33,700
Oh, is it Joe Milton out of Tennessee?

627
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:35,300
See, this is why we pod together, brother.

628
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:36,780
Cause you like know me so well.

629
00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:38,580
It's Joe Milton, the third.

630
00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:39,980
Cause dude's got a cannon.

631
00:57:39,980 --> 00:57:41,060
He's got a cannon cannon.

632
00:57:41,060 --> 00:57:43,140
He is Josh Allen.

633
00:57:43,140 --> 00:57:45,460
He's the Josh Allen of this class

634
00:57:45,460 --> 00:57:48,700
without the like high round, first round predigree.

635
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:51,260
Because he's way more raw.

636
00:57:51,260 --> 00:57:54,300
He reminds me a little bit of that UB quarterback

637
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:59,300
that the bills brought in to back up Tyrod.

638
00:57:59,940 --> 00:58:02,420
Who, he was the one Steve Smith had to have it

639
00:58:02,420 --> 00:58:03,740
talking to at the combine.

640
00:58:03,740 --> 00:58:06,420
Cause he was just thrilling wide receivers.

641
00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:07,660
Past catching drills.

642
00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:10,820
Well, he's like, yeah, you gotta take something off of it.

643
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:13,860
So Joe Milton, the third is like, he's like cannon.

644
00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:15,540
He's a massive athlete.

645
00:58:15,540 --> 00:58:18,540
He is exactly Josh Allen's height and weight,

646
00:58:18,540 --> 00:58:20,980
six, five, two, 35 on the nose.

647
00:58:20,980 --> 00:58:23,060
Tyree Jackson, that was the kid.

648
00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:23,900
Yeah, that's right.

649
00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:24,740
Tyree Jackson.

650
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:27,540
So Joe Milton, the third out of Tennessee,

651
00:58:27,540 --> 00:58:31,340
he is precisely Josh Allen's like height, weight.

652
00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:35,740
He is not, he is, his processing is poor.

653
00:58:37,020 --> 00:58:38,580
Like just poor.

654
00:58:38,580 --> 00:58:42,580
He's the kind of player who, you know,

655
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:45,660
he doesn't have the instincts or accuracy,

656
00:58:45,660 --> 00:58:48,100
like to be a starter at this point,

657
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:50,540
but his traits, his size and his arm

658
00:58:50,540 --> 00:58:52,820
are the kind that if you get him in a system

659
00:58:52,820 --> 00:58:55,860
and can develop him, it's the kind of thing

660
00:58:55,860 --> 00:58:58,140
that like he could be that player

661
00:58:58,140 --> 00:59:01,140
that the bills trade away for a second round pick

662
00:59:01,140 --> 00:59:03,220
after the preseason one year,

663
00:59:03,220 --> 00:59:04,900
after he's backed up Josh for two years.

664
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:05,740
You know what I'm saying?

665
00:59:05,740 --> 00:59:06,580
Like one of those.

666
00:59:06,580 --> 00:59:07,420
Absolutely.

667
00:59:07,420 --> 00:59:09,460
Just like you mentioned with the Garoppolo, right?

668
00:59:09,460 --> 00:59:11,100
Like you bring in a quarterback,

669
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:12,620
so you have a low cost backup.

670
00:59:12,620 --> 00:59:15,580
You don't have to worry about backup for a few years.

671
00:59:15,580 --> 00:59:17,180
And you develop a guy in your system

672
00:59:17,180 --> 00:59:20,420
and see if all that you say about being a coaching staff

673
00:59:20,420 --> 00:59:23,100
that focuses on draft and develop is true.

674
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:25,140
Joe Milton III, that's my guy.

675
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:29,820
I still have pain and, you know,

676
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:33,420
post-traumatic stress from the JP Losman pick

677
00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:34,500
out of Tulane.

678
00:59:34,500 --> 00:59:35,540
Oh, thank you God.

679
00:59:35,540 --> 00:59:38,580
But Michael Pratt out of Tulane's probably gonna go

680
00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:39,700
in the second or third round.

681
00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:42,460
If he's hanging around the fourth round,

682
00:59:42,460 --> 00:59:46,660
six, three, two, 20, definitely more of at a pro ready,

683
00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:50,980
you know, prospect than Joe Milton.

684
00:59:50,980 --> 00:59:52,540
Cause he's got good fundamentals.

685
00:59:52,540 --> 00:59:54,420
He's strong in his drop back.

686
00:59:54,420 --> 00:59:56,900
He knows how to deliver the ball, impressive touch.

687
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:58,860
Those are sorts of things that, you know,

688
00:59:58,860 --> 01:00:01,020
he's got smaller measurables than Josh Allen,

689
01:00:01,020 --> 01:00:03,620
but definitely makes up for them with skill

690
01:00:03,620 --> 01:00:06,940
and kind of nuance and play that Milton doesn't have.

691
01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:08,980
So those are my two.

692
01:00:08,980 --> 01:00:12,980
I am absolutely 100% steering clear of Talia,

693
01:00:12,980 --> 01:00:16,540
Tagavoloa, because he is.

694
01:00:16,540 --> 01:00:19,940
He is all of the bad traits that his older brother Tua has

695
01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:23,140
with hardly any of the anticipatory throwing

696
01:00:23,140 --> 01:00:24,020
or good traits.

697
01:00:24,020 --> 01:00:29,020
Like he's small and he's small and he's relatively slow

698
01:00:29,740 --> 01:00:31,580
and he does not, you know,

699
01:00:31,580 --> 01:00:33,340
have that kind of strong, you know,

700
01:00:33,340 --> 01:00:35,780
anticipatory touch that his older brother has.

701
01:00:35,780 --> 01:00:36,620
Yeah.

702
01:00:36,620 --> 01:00:37,460
Not American.

703
01:00:37,460 --> 01:00:38,300
I would agree with that.

704
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:40,700
And I love how you're bringing in AFC East bitterness

705
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:41,740
into the breakdown.

706
01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:44,260
Here's a guy I would never go after.

707
01:00:44,260 --> 01:00:45,580
Here's a guy I would never go after.

708
01:00:45,580 --> 01:00:47,820
We've only talked about guys we'd love to see.

709
01:00:47,820 --> 01:00:48,660
Yeah.

710
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:49,940
That other starting quarterback in our league's

711
01:00:49,940 --> 01:00:51,380
little brother sucks.

712
01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:52,220
That's right.

713
01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:53,380
Take that to us.

714
01:00:53,380 --> 01:00:54,500
That's your fault too.

715
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:55,660
All right.

716
01:00:55,660 --> 01:00:57,980
One more name I'll submit for consideration

717
01:00:57,980 --> 01:00:59,620
along the same lines as Milton.

718
01:00:59,620 --> 01:01:02,020
Good QB suffered some injuries.

719
01:01:02,020 --> 01:01:05,460
Jordan Travis, QBF out of Florida State.

720
01:01:05,460 --> 01:01:08,100
I think he very likely goes on day three,

721
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:10,460
but I think at six one, two, 12,

722
01:01:10,460 --> 01:01:14,500
when he was playing healthy, very, very productive,

723
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:17,900
love his mobility and his off script playmaking,

724
01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:20,540
I think there's something that the bills would covet

725
01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:22,660
because Allen brings that to the table too.

726
01:01:22,660 --> 01:01:23,900
And that's really what you're looking for

727
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:27,380
in a young rookie QB to be a potential backup

728
01:01:27,380 --> 01:01:29,580
and play two, three, four games in a row

729
01:01:29,580 --> 01:01:32,020
if Allen is for whatever reason, God forbid hurt.

730
01:01:32,020 --> 01:01:32,860
So yeah.

731
01:01:32,860 --> 01:01:33,700
Yeah.

732
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:35,620
Well, and Jordan Travis is one of those players who like,

733
01:01:35,620 --> 01:01:37,940
he has that kind of like competitive fire

734
01:01:37,940 --> 01:01:40,380
that if you watch Josh Allen when he was at Wyoming,

735
01:01:40,380 --> 01:01:42,500
you're just like, oh my God, like, dude,

736
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:44,540
you got to do that, you just let this play go.

737
01:01:44,540 --> 01:01:46,820
Like you're gonna, something terrible is gonna happen.

738
01:01:46,820 --> 01:01:48,380
I know someone's gonna get hurt

739
01:01:48,380 --> 01:01:49,980
and it might be you, right?

740
01:01:49,980 --> 01:01:50,820
So yeah.

741
01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:51,660
Exactly.

742
01:01:51,660 --> 01:01:52,900
No, but love the toughness on this kid.

743
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:56,460
I think he is, I think this dude's buffalo through and through,

744
01:01:56,460 --> 01:01:58,900
but you know, we'll see if he makes it to us or not.

745
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:01,860
So all right, man, I think that does it for us

746
01:02:01,860 --> 01:02:03,220
on the offensive side of the ball.

747
01:02:03,220 --> 01:02:05,940
So next week, defensive side of the ball.

748
01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:07,900
And stay tuned after this pod

749
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:10,380
because we have our third and final installment

750
01:02:10,380 --> 01:02:12,500
of Friends of the Pod, not Friends of the Bills,

751
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:14,180
with our good friend, Steve,

752
01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:16,620
giving us his takes on the Miami Dolphins

753
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:18,340
and what he thinks they need to do

754
01:02:18,340 --> 01:02:21,100
to achieve their foo-

755
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:22,980
Yeah, not to a, right?

756
01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:26,340
Or maybe not to a, but listen to the pod to find out, right?

757
01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:29,340
But yeah, what the Dolphins need to do

758
01:02:29,340 --> 01:02:32,100
to ultimately do what a lot of analysts

759
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:33,460
thought they'd do last year,

760
01:02:33,460 --> 01:02:36,980
which is supplant the Bills as the top dog in the AFC East.

761
01:02:36,980 --> 01:02:38,900
So stay tuned to listen to that.

762
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:40,260
It was a great pod.

763
01:02:40,260 --> 01:02:41,900
JJ, this was a great pod as well.

764
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:43,300
I love talking draft.

765
01:02:43,300 --> 01:02:44,980
And for all of you listening at home,

766
01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:47,820
like, share, and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts,

767
01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:50,700
Google Apple Spotify, and as always, go Bills.

768
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:51,540
Go Bills.

769
01:02:51,540 --> 01:02:52,380
Go Bills.

770
01:02:52,380 --> 01:02:53,220
Go Bills.

771
01:03:03,060 --> 01:03:05,060
Welcome back to the Buffalo Bread podcast.

772
01:03:05,060 --> 01:03:07,720
We are continuing our Friends of the Pod series

773
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,660
that Dan has been hosting

774
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:13,100
in my brief absence as I'm dadding out.

775
01:03:13,100 --> 01:03:17,900
It's been a nice trip so far with the Pats and the Jets.

776
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:19,580
And now here tonight,

777
01:03:19,580 --> 01:03:22,580
we welcome back friend of the pod, Steve,

778
01:03:22,580 --> 01:03:25,180
with his beloved Dolphins.

779
01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:28,180
And what they're gonna do this off season,

780
01:03:28,180 --> 01:03:30,420
take us in, Dan, and welcome, Steve.

781
01:03:31,780 --> 01:03:32,900
Welcome, Steve, again.

782
01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:34,740
It's good to have you back on the pod, sir.

783
01:03:34,740 --> 01:03:36,620
So we are excited to have you.

784
01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:39,180
So you are the capper on our Friends of the Pod,

785
01:03:39,180 --> 01:03:41,140
and not Friends of the Bills series.

786
01:03:41,140 --> 01:03:43,220
We love talking to our resident experts

787
01:03:43,220 --> 01:03:45,060
on other AFC East teams.

788
01:03:45,060 --> 01:03:46,860
We're gonna give you a chance to talk a little bit

789
01:03:46,860 --> 01:03:49,820
about the origins of your fandom this evening,

790
01:03:49,820 --> 01:03:51,980
and then talk to our listeners at home

791
01:03:51,980 --> 01:03:54,860
about what you think the Dolphins need to do

792
01:03:54,860 --> 01:03:57,620
in order to unseat the now four-time

793
01:03:57,620 --> 01:03:59,620
AFC East champion Buffalo Bills.

794
01:03:59,620 --> 01:04:00,940
I see you shaking your head.

795
01:04:00,940 --> 01:04:03,380
We are not a video pod, but trust me, Bills fans,

796
01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:05,780
it is a sorry, solemn head shake

797
01:04:05,780 --> 01:04:08,660
that we are getting from our friend DolphinFant here.

798
01:04:08,660 --> 01:04:11,340
So we'll give you a chance to talk about all of it.

799
01:04:11,340 --> 01:04:14,380
But first, Steve, we've got some new listeners to the pod

800
01:04:14,380 --> 01:04:15,700
over the past couple of weeks.

801
01:04:15,700 --> 01:04:17,620
Why don't you reintroduce yourself to anyone

802
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:20,180
who may not be familiar with your work as a Dolphins fan?

803
01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:22,900
Tell us a little bit about when you started liking the team.

804
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:23,740
Excellent.

805
01:04:23,740 --> 01:04:25,900
Well, thank you both for having me on again.

806
01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:29,580
I always love sharing my Dolphins pride and sorrows

807
01:04:29,580 --> 01:04:30,700
with both of you.

808
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:34,620
So yeah, so my Dolphins journey, I mean,

809
01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:38,260
I started way back when with Dan Marino

810
01:04:38,260 --> 01:04:42,340
back in the early 90s, as far as I can remember.

811
01:04:42,340 --> 01:04:44,860
He was a Pittsburgh guy, grew up,

812
01:04:44,860 --> 01:04:48,740
played college there and drafted, obviously, by the Dolphins.

813
01:04:48,740 --> 01:04:50,500
And there's that connection of like,

814
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:52,260
oh my gosh, he's from Pennsylvania.

815
01:04:52,260 --> 01:04:53,460
I live in Pennsylvania.

816
01:04:53,460 --> 01:04:55,460
This is really cool.

817
01:04:55,460 --> 01:04:59,580
Dolphins are kind of at peak performance at that time.

818
01:04:59,580 --> 01:05:02,900
And I just kind of gravitated towards that.

819
01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:05,620
Dan the man, he was everywhere.

820
01:05:05,620 --> 01:05:09,020
And I've stuck with them through thick and thin,

821
01:05:09,020 --> 01:05:12,500
more thin than, you know, it's been rough.

822
01:05:12,500 --> 01:05:15,140
But here we are.

823
01:05:15,140 --> 01:05:18,020
We're, you know, we're right there.

824
01:05:18,020 --> 01:05:20,380
I think, you know, we're above average.

825
01:05:20,380 --> 01:05:21,940
We're no longer average.

826
01:05:21,940 --> 01:05:26,580
And it's making those tweaks, those fine tuning things

827
01:05:26,580 --> 01:05:29,060
to hopefully get us to the next level

828
01:05:29,060 --> 01:05:32,580
and not just into the playoffs, but through the playoffs.

829
01:05:32,580 --> 01:05:34,740
Awesome, sir. We appreciate it.

830
01:05:34,740 --> 01:05:37,860
So, and you mentioned how close you guys are

831
01:05:37,860 --> 01:05:39,820
as a team and as a franchise.

832
01:05:39,820 --> 01:05:43,180
This is probably on paper,

833
01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:47,180
the up there with the bills for the most talented roster

834
01:05:47,180 --> 01:05:50,540
in the AFC East, 100% for sure.

835
01:05:50,540 --> 01:05:54,420
You've got a great young coach and Mike McDaniel.

836
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:57,220
You guys are doing some really fun things on offense.

837
01:05:57,220 --> 01:05:59,180
And even though Fangio is no longer a part

838
01:05:59,180 --> 01:06:00,820
of your defensive coaching staff,

839
01:06:00,820 --> 01:06:03,620
the defense took strides for the season as well.

840
01:06:03,620 --> 01:06:05,260
And if you guys get healthy,

841
01:06:05,260 --> 01:06:07,260
you're still loaded on that side of the ball.

842
01:06:07,260 --> 01:06:08,860
So there's a lot of things I feel like

843
01:06:08,860 --> 01:06:10,980
you have to look forward to.

844
01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:13,580
But this past season, things didn't go the way

845
01:06:13,580 --> 01:06:15,780
that I think a lot of prognosticators

846
01:06:15,780 --> 01:06:17,900
and Dolphins fans were hoping it would.

847
01:06:17,900 --> 01:06:20,180
A lot of people preseason had the Dolphins

848
01:06:20,180 --> 01:06:21,900
is unseating the Buffalo Bills.

849
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:24,620
And for a long time, it looked that way.

850
01:06:24,620 --> 01:06:27,620
Even JJ and I were lamenting before the Bills

851
01:06:27,620 --> 01:06:30,780
went on that run that we were gonna be a one-time

852
01:06:30,780 --> 01:06:31,980
wildcard team.

853
01:06:31,980 --> 01:06:33,980
The ceiling on this team was 10 wins.

854
01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:35,820
The Dolphins are finally gonna do it.

855
01:06:35,820 --> 01:06:38,460
And then we kind of stole it away from you at the end there.

856
01:06:38,460 --> 01:06:42,340
So tell us and tell our listeners at home, Steve,

857
01:06:42,340 --> 01:06:45,820
what is your tweet length summary, if you could,

858
01:06:45,820 --> 01:06:48,500
about the Dolphins season this year?

859
01:06:48,500 --> 01:06:50,340
Started with high expectations,

860
01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:51,540
didn't end the way you wanted it.

861
01:06:51,540 --> 01:06:53,420
But what were some of your takeaways from this year?

862
01:06:53,420 --> 01:06:55,860
Yeah, yeah, I mean, we started off,

863
01:06:55,860 --> 01:06:58,020
comparisons created a show on turf, right?

864
01:06:58,020 --> 01:07:01,220
Like we were up there offensively.

865
01:07:01,220 --> 01:07:04,180
And through the course of the season,

866
01:07:04,180 --> 01:07:07,620
the defense slowly figured it out and then injuries hit,

867
01:07:08,620 --> 01:07:11,580
especially on the defensive side and the offensive line.

868
01:07:13,460 --> 01:07:16,700
And reflecting back through,

869
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:19,380
I think that the Monday night game against the Titans

870
01:07:19,380 --> 01:07:20,740
was the turning point,

871
01:07:21,940 --> 01:07:26,940
specifically the injury to our center.

872
01:07:26,940 --> 01:07:31,660
And when Tyree Kil got tackled,

873
01:07:31,660 --> 01:07:34,300
Horsecaller tackled and was out for us the game

874
01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:36,980
and he was never the same since,

875
01:07:36,980 --> 01:07:40,100
even taking some time off,

876
01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:44,020
healing, he was never the same guy.

877
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:45,860
And I think that was the turning point.

878
01:07:45,860 --> 01:07:48,300
And yeah, you go from greatest show on turf

879
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:50,700
to being part of some surf and turf.

880
01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:53,580
Like it was, it just like,

881
01:07:53,580 --> 01:07:58,700
just something happened that game

882
01:07:58,700 --> 01:08:00,300
and the team never rebounded.

883
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:02,700
And I said to some friends,

884
01:08:04,860 --> 01:08:06,300
that game turn and I told them,

885
01:08:06,300 --> 01:08:08,060
I'm like, they're going to lose the Ravens.

886
01:08:08,060 --> 01:08:09,940
They're going to lose to the Bills twice.

887
01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:11,540
And that's going to be it.

888
01:08:11,540 --> 01:08:14,460
You know, it is what it is.

889
01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:16,340
That I would agree with you.

890
01:08:16,340 --> 01:08:18,980
I actually think you've pinpointed the exact moment

891
01:08:18,980 --> 01:08:21,420
for the dolphins where things started to take a turn.

892
01:08:21,420 --> 01:08:23,980
Because as JJ and I were prognosticating

893
01:08:23,980 --> 01:08:28,060
where the dolphins needed to hit a snag in the road,

894
01:08:28,060 --> 01:08:29,260
the Titans was not,

895
01:08:29,260 --> 01:08:31,940
the Titans were not on our bingo card for sure.

896
01:08:31,940 --> 01:08:32,660
Exactly.

897
01:08:32,660 --> 01:08:35,460
That was a gimme really that you gave to the Bills.

898
01:08:35,460 --> 01:08:38,100
The Tyree Kil injury is noteworthy as well

899
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:41,540
because speed guys that deal with a lot of lower body injuries

900
01:08:41,540 --> 01:08:44,620
like he was starting to take on at the end of the season.

901
01:08:44,620 --> 01:08:47,500
Do you have any concerns overall

902
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:49,900
about his long term health on this squad

903
01:08:49,900 --> 01:08:52,620
as a result of how dinged up he was by the end of the year?

904
01:08:52,620 --> 01:08:53,300
I don't.

905
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:53,700
I don't.

906
01:08:53,700 --> 01:09:00,540
I think the off season, I mean, he's a top three receiver.

907
01:09:00,540 --> 01:09:04,540
He knows what he needs to do to get healthy year in and year out.

908
01:09:04,540 --> 01:09:08,460
So I think a lot of it's just getting that ankle right

909
01:09:08,460 --> 01:09:12,180
to where he can be at top speed come, you know,

910
01:09:12,180 --> 01:09:14,740
through the summer and into preseason and training camp.

911
01:09:14,740 --> 01:09:16,300
And I think he'll be fine.

912
01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:17,460
That's awesome.

913
01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:20,260
I think regardless of his health,

914
01:09:20,260 --> 01:09:23,540
I would venture a guess that as we start to get into year off season

915
01:09:23,540 --> 01:09:27,500
priorities, wide receiver depth in that room is probably on that list.

916
01:09:27,500 --> 01:09:30,460
Just to get just to get Helen Waddle a little bit of help.

917
01:09:30,460 --> 01:09:31,940
Yeah, yes.

918
01:09:31,940 --> 01:09:34,820
Yeah. I mean, and they had some some moments, you know,

919
01:09:34,820 --> 01:09:37,020
Cedric Wilson had some some good catches.

920
01:09:37,020 --> 01:09:39,820
Braxton Berrios had some good catches.

921
01:09:39,820 --> 01:09:42,380
But who's that number three guy?

922
01:09:42,380 --> 01:09:44,540
I think is is going to be important.

923
01:09:44,540 --> 01:09:47,660
Tight end, I mean, last year we were talking about Mike Giusecchi

924
01:09:47,900 --> 01:09:50,660
departure and getting a blocking tight end.

925
01:09:50,660 --> 01:09:53,500
And I think they fixed that they got a blocking tight end.

926
01:09:54,100 --> 01:09:57,860
But then they also kind of lost the receiving tight end as a result of that.

927
01:09:58,060 --> 01:10:00,140
Absolutely. You know,

928
01:10:00,140 --> 01:10:03,060
so just trying to figure out what does that position look like as well.

929
01:10:04,180 --> 01:10:07,620
But yeah, I think if we can get, you know, a true number three guy,

930
01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:09,900
Chase Claypool isn't that guy, I don't believe.

931
01:10:11,460 --> 01:10:13,820
So we'll see what happens.

932
01:10:13,820 --> 01:10:15,460
That's cool, man. That's cool.

933
01:10:15,460 --> 01:10:18,260
So I think that's a perfect segue to start to dig into it.

934
01:10:18,260 --> 01:10:20,860
Right. So we're going to give you the floor here

935
01:10:20,860 --> 01:10:24,380
and we're going to let you run us through what you think the big off season

936
01:10:24,380 --> 01:10:26,260
priorities for your squad are.

937
01:10:26,260 --> 01:10:29,620
I'll give you some facts and figures to kind of help set the stage here,

938
01:10:29,940 --> 01:10:32,140
notably around some free agents in cap space.

939
01:10:32,420 --> 01:10:33,740
And then you can take us away.

940
01:10:33,740 --> 01:10:37,580
And then at the end of this, we have three burning questions as Bill's fans

941
01:10:37,820 --> 01:10:40,900
that we want to know from you as a dolphins fan about what you think you guys

942
01:10:40,900 --> 01:10:44,060
need to do in order to write the ship for next year.

943
01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:47,700
So Steve, it looks like according to spot track where we pull all of our

944
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:51,940
salary cap data, you guys are looking right now at a cap deficit of about

945
01:10:51,940 --> 01:10:56,220
51 million. So welcome to Buffalo Bill's territory, my friend.

946
01:10:57,220 --> 01:11:01,380
But you guys have some easy levers that you can pull to get some of that cap space.

947
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:05,380
I think of more note, you guys have some really key free agents

948
01:11:05,380 --> 01:11:08,340
that are coming through on the offensive line.

949
01:11:08,340 --> 01:11:12,540
Now, while you guys were not a great pass blocking offensive line,

950
01:11:12,540 --> 01:11:16,380
I think your pass block win rate was 31st in the league to finish the year.

951
01:11:16,580 --> 01:11:21,220
You were solid in the run game, which is really the bedrock of the McDaniel offense.

952
01:11:21,580 --> 01:11:24,980
So you guys have some pretty key pieces coming open in Conor Williams,

953
01:11:25,660 --> 01:11:27,580
Isaiah Wynn and Robert Hunt.

954
01:11:27,980 --> 01:11:29,900
Add to that on the other side of the trenches.

955
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:33,740
You guys have Christian Wilkins, who I know we would love to see Wilkins out

956
01:11:33,740 --> 01:11:35,460
of the AFC East completely.

957
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:37,300
We are sick of going up against that guy.

958
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:41,500
And Bill's mafia, but you guys have some decisions on the trenches to make as well.

959
01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:47,580
So cap, cap situation, free agent situation, all of that taken into account.

960
01:11:47,860 --> 01:11:51,420
Where are you hoping some of the things the dolphins will do this offseason to bolster the squad?

961
01:11:52,180 --> 01:11:55,380
We kind of took my thunder there for a little, you know, for a moment.

962
01:11:55,380 --> 01:11:58,580
They're talking about, you know, in the trenches because that's exactly it.

963
01:11:59,020 --> 01:12:04,380
You know, I think reality is they need to figure out a way to sign two of the three

964
01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:10,900
offensive linemen, you know, and based on who's available in the draft,

965
01:12:10,900 --> 01:12:16,660
who's available in free agency, looking at their own cap space,

966
01:12:16,940 --> 01:12:23,020
the players that they have, you know, prone to injury, all that stuff.

967
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:24,660
They got to take that into account.

968
01:12:24,660 --> 01:12:33,180
I mean, I think, man, I think you got to figure out a way to keep Isaiah win.

969
01:12:34,540 --> 01:12:42,060
And, you know, for me, Connor Williams, I think those two, because when you think

970
01:12:42,060 --> 01:12:48,860
about after Connor Williams got injured, they had no sent true center.

971
01:12:48,860 --> 01:12:53,900
And that's a position they struggled in.

972
01:12:53,900 --> 01:12:57,820
I think that's where you started to see the cracks beginning of the year.

973
01:12:57,820 --> 01:13:00,340
They weren't giving up sex towards the end of the year.

974
01:13:00,340 --> 01:13:03,460
That's when things started getting a little bit slippery.

975
01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:07,980
So I think looking at, again, Connor Williams and for me, Isaiah win.

976
01:13:08,820 --> 01:13:12,380
But again, it's really looking at the draft class.

977
01:13:12,380 --> 01:13:16,220
Is there someone out there first round, second round, the team?

978
01:13:16,220 --> 01:13:20,260
There's someone out there first round, second round that they can draft to fill

979
01:13:20,260 --> 01:13:22,700
that potentially fill that void.

980
01:13:24,380 --> 01:13:29,380
And then again, on defense, I mean, do what you got to do to figure out a way

981
01:13:29,380 --> 01:13:31,780
to get Christian Wilkins back, you know?

982
01:13:32,020 --> 01:13:33,180
No, don't please.

983
01:13:33,180 --> 01:13:34,180
Yeah.

984
01:13:35,460 --> 01:13:40,740
But yeah, I mean, that's kind of, I think, again, that's that's the pressing need.

985
01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:47,340
Right now with this team is to keep that core, core group in the trenches

986
01:13:47,340 --> 01:13:53,420
on both sides of the football, get them healthy, figure out, you know, truly poor

987
01:13:53,420 --> 01:13:56,340
the two or three guys on offense that you're going to keep.

988
01:13:57,900 --> 01:14:03,220
And then figure out who in the draft or free agency are you going to sign

989
01:14:03,220 --> 01:14:04,460
to fill that third spot?

990
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:07,540
After somehow making some space.

991
01:14:08,060 --> 01:14:09,460
After somehow making some space.

992
01:14:09,460 --> 01:14:09,980
Yeah.

993
01:14:09,980 --> 01:14:10,980
Yeah.

994
01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:15,860
I'll fuel I'll fuel Dan's nightmares and say somehow this off season, they have

995
01:14:15,860 --> 01:14:19,500
to let Christian Wilkins walk, but they signed Chris Jones from the Chiefs.

996
01:14:20,020 --> 01:14:21,020
Oh, no way.

997
01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:22,620
Oh, stop.

998
01:14:22,620 --> 01:14:23,340
You're terrible.

999
01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:24,020
Just so.

1000
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:25,020
Would you do this?

1001
01:14:25,020 --> 01:14:28,220
Just be so bad now that I'm on the universe at my end.

1002
01:14:28,220 --> 01:14:29,460
I thought we were friends, man.

1003
01:14:29,460 --> 01:14:31,820
What's the hell wrong with you?

1004
01:14:31,820 --> 01:14:34,180
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't want to see Chris Jones.

1005
01:14:34,580 --> 01:14:36,460
What deals can you restructure?

1006
01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:37,940
You know, what's what's exact?

1007
01:14:37,940 --> 01:14:39,060
You know, what's out there?

1008
01:14:39,060 --> 01:14:40,260
What's able to be done?

1009
01:14:41,260 --> 01:14:47,900
Get creative with with how you structure players, salaries and everything.

1010
01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:51,340
And, you know, we're we're there.

1011
01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:57,780
It's you can't be replacing so many pieces every year to expect that same level.

1012
01:14:58,020 --> 01:15:01,860
You know, you need to figure out a way to keep as many guys as you can

1013
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:04,740
and build up through draft.

1014
01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:11,740
Steve, I'll ask you this, Tyree Hill, are you worried about the dolphins

1015
01:15:11,740 --> 01:15:16,460
pushing a giant bunch of his cap down the road in order to make some space?

1016
01:15:17,340 --> 01:15:18,260
Given his age.

1017
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:29,900
I mean, I think to make a win now scenario, which is I think if you're

1018
01:15:29,900 --> 01:15:35,900
If you're going to win a championship with Tyree Kill on your team, that's what you got to do.

1019
01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:38,900
You know, you got to be in win now mode.

1020
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:41,900
The long-term impact.

1021
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:53,900
You know, look at, again, looking long-term, who are those player contracts coming up, you know, in those subsequent years, and what's the free agency class looking like?

1022
01:15:53,900 --> 01:16:01,900
Guys far smarter than me that have all the analytics figured out already to you that.

1023
01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:17,900
But, you know, those are the things for me that I'm thinking about is, all right, if you push some of that long-term, who are those guys five years down the road that are going to be impacted potentially?

1024
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:23,900
Yeah, there are some funky levers on base salary conversions you guys can pull.

1025
01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:25,900
As JJ noted, Tyree Kill is one of them.

1026
01:16:25,900 --> 01:16:27,900
You pulled on that lever last year.

1027
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:30,900
It's very likely that you guys are going to pull on that lever again this year.

1028
01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:35,900
Bradley Chubb also has some similar flexibility in his contract too.

1029
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:46,900
But Steve, the big one, like, or a big piece of the cap that you can move would be by signing to a Tunga Velova to a long-term deal.

1030
01:16:46,900 --> 01:16:51,900
So this is probably a good point to get into some of our burning questions for your offseason priorities here.

1031
01:16:51,900 --> 01:17:00,900
And at the forefront of everyone's mind, who pays attention to the AFC East and NFL football, folks want to know is Tua going to get extended?

1032
01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:07,900
The vibes seem to be positive from both camps, his camp in Miami, but the question is extended and for how much?

1033
01:17:07,900 --> 01:17:16,900
There are some projections that have him garnering as much as 50 million a year when the full force of that contract would kick in a couple years from now.

1034
01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:18,900
So what is your take as a fan?

1035
01:17:18,900 --> 01:17:26,900
Do you want to see Tua as your QB one of the future long term?

1036
01:17:26,900 --> 01:17:44,900
I would say long term over the next five years, absolutely extend them over five years. I think anything longer than that, especially depending on guaranteed monies and all of that stuff, you start risking some.

1037
01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:57,900
Because you just don't know again, he was healthy this year. He looked fantastic throughout all of, you know, physically anyway throughout the whole season.

1038
01:17:57,900 --> 01:18:08,900
So yeah, I mean, I think he's earned that right to be extended. I don't think you're looking at, to me, I wouldn't be looking at a mega contract.

1039
01:18:08,900 --> 01:18:19,900
But but again, I mean, I look at who's out there for agency, just how hit and miss the draft class can be year in and year out.

1040
01:18:19,900 --> 01:18:26,900
You know, you you you know what you have in Tua. And that's the big thing.

1041
01:18:26,900 --> 01:18:39,900
You know, sure Kirk cousins could come in and sling the ball around for a year or two. But the reality is after that, you're going to be right back where you started.

1042
01:18:39,900 --> 01:18:49,900
So, sign a long term. I think, you know, a five year deal is more than fair. Maybe within this possible six.

1043
01:18:49,900 --> 01:19:02,900
For me, I probably wouldn't go any any longer than that. So money wise per year. Yeah, restructure it so that if you can get more money on the back end.

1044
01:19:02,900 --> 01:19:09,900
Sure, you know, that can help us out right now for next year and the year after.

1045
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:19,900
But yeah, that's that's my my quick take with Tua. I think you got to sign on. I think you got to you got to sign up for a five six year deal.

1046
01:19:19,900 --> 01:19:24,900
I don't think anything longer would be wise.

1047
01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:27,900
And then you just go from there with that.

1048
01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:29,900
Absolutely. Yeah.

1049
01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:35,900
And it's, you know, you guys are not going to be in striking distance of one of the top QBs in the draft.

1050
01:19:35,900 --> 01:19:42,900
And while you've got more capital to play with this year, I don't know that you have enough to trade up and get one of the truly elite guys that they're talking about.

1051
01:19:42,900 --> 01:19:46,900
And like you said, it's a mixed bag with QB development.

1052
01:19:46,900 --> 01:19:54,900
Think back to the Trevor Lawrence QB draft. Who was drafted in that? It was Lawrence and then JJ help me out here. Lawrence.

1053
01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:56,900
Was that the Trey Lance, Zach Wilson?

1054
01:19:56,900 --> 01:19:58,900
Yeah, I believe so. Yeah.

1055
01:19:58,900 --> 01:20:03,900
Yeah. So Lawrence Trey Lance, Zach Wilson.

1056
01:20:03,900 --> 01:20:07,900
Was Justin Fields in that one? Justin Fields was in that class as well.

1057
01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:14,900
And they that and Mack Jones, that was a Mack Jones year to the top five QBs taken in that draft.

1058
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:22,900
Four of those QBs have either been moved on from the team that drafted them or will be by this off season.

1059
01:20:22,900 --> 01:20:30,900
And listen, I know Lawrence was playing hurt this year, but I've got real questions if he's good, like, is he good in Jacksonville?

1060
01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:37,900
Like he hasn't had the elite production that we expected from the next John L. Way, quote unquote.

1061
01:20:37,900 --> 01:20:39,900
So again, injuries aside. Yeah.

1062
01:20:39,900 --> 01:20:46,900
So those top five QBs taken in that draft year for are arguably in bust territory.

1063
01:20:46,900 --> 01:20:53,900
And you've got one who is a media darling, but has yet to really prove it in a big time situation.

1064
01:20:53,900 --> 01:20:59,900
So your point is well taken. Rather, rather go with the devil, you know, in some cases, right?

1065
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:01,900
Right. Right. Yeah.

1066
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:09,900
Trevor Lawrence gives off for me as a Dolphins fan some Ryan Tannehill vibes like coming in super high expectations.

1067
01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:15,900
You know, looks super elite sometimes. And other times it's like, where are we at with you?

1068
01:21:15,900 --> 01:21:20,900
You know, injuries and support around him.

1069
01:21:20,900 --> 01:21:26,900
So yeah, maybe a change of scenery might be good for him.

1070
01:21:26,900 --> 01:21:30,900
But we don't want him to go to Miami after all that trash I just talked about.

1071
01:21:30,900 --> 01:21:34,900
No, we still don't want him there. We still don't want him there.

1072
01:21:34,900 --> 01:21:45,900
No, JJ is a is a Bill's fan on your end. How do you feel about to being a long term fixture for the bills to have to contend with?

1073
01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:49,900
I'd actually prefer to a then a draft pick.

1074
01:21:49,900 --> 01:21:53,900
And I know the Dolphins wouldn't be high enough to take any of the elite QBs in this one.

1075
01:21:53,900 --> 01:22:05,900
And this is this is why I think that the bills defense as long as Sean McDermott is the is the head of that defensive effort has a plan for to have that has been somewhat effective.

1076
01:22:05,900 --> 01:22:10,900
It's really about disrupting timing make taking away his first read and that has worked.

1077
01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:21,900
And I think that there's likely going to be shootouts between to and Josh Allen, but I just like our guy, you know, so it's the kind of thing where I think to us to a scares me,

1078
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:24,900
especially with Tyreek and waddle on the outside.

1079
01:22:24,900 --> 01:22:31,900
And and that's, you know, so but I will say, like, he doesn't scare me as much as borough or my homes.

1080
01:22:31,900 --> 01:22:41,900
And so I like the bills chances and and that's that's exactly the devil, you know, right? Like if they moved on from to or something, then it's like, oh, what if they get somebody that's like,

1081
01:22:41,900 --> 01:22:46,900
what if they get the next CJ Stroud or somebody like shows up on the scene here like that guy's just elite, right?

1082
01:22:46,900 --> 01:22:58,900
Right out the right out of the gates. And I think to a showed this year in being able to stay healthy in having absolutely bonkers stats and being able to connect on deep balls and things that people doubted him coming out of the draft.

1083
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:02,900
There's certainly a capacity for me to eat these words in a couple years.

1084
01:23:02,900 --> 01:23:15,900
But for right now where we are, and with the way that I've seen the bills defense play to a and play McDaniels keeping McDaniels and to a together I think is, you know, the bills have a good chance of maintaining

1085
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:24,900
control of the FC East. If they don't fall apart like they did this past season and then need a lot of luck and a lot of bad luck for the dolphins.

1086
01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:33,900
Absolutely. And McDaniel has invested so much of his coaching identity in drawing out the greatness in to a that he has.

1087
01:23:33,900 --> 01:23:45,900
I, it would listen, I, Steve, I will full confession for you. I have called McDaniel arrogant on this podcast. I have. I have also said I loved him.

1088
01:23:45,900 --> 01:23:57,900
Like I have gone like on both ends of the spectrum with your head coach. But I don't know that he has. I don't know that it's in his leadership style to like point at a player and say you failed me.

1089
01:23:57,900 --> 01:24:06,900
And I feel like if they don't resign to a I feel like he would have to be able to get over that hump that a lot of head coaches ultimately do.

1090
01:24:06,900 --> 01:24:14,900
I feel like he's invested so much into us so much of an in self into a that he would look at it as more of a failure on his part.

1091
01:24:14,900 --> 01:24:21,900
If the organization didn't think to a was the guy after especially this season leading the leading the league and passing yards.

1092
01:24:21,900 --> 01:24:29,900
So, so I agree. I think he gets re signed. I think it's probably a generous deal for the first couple years.

1093
01:24:29,900 --> 01:24:36,900
And then after that, you're looking at something in the territory of a little bit more than what Daniel Jones is making with his current extension with New York.

1094
01:24:36,900 --> 01:24:44,900
So, yeah, absolutely. Speaking of your head coach. This is this is now where I retract my my my love for your head coach.

1095
01:24:44,900 --> 01:24:57,900
And I want to dig into your your thoughts a little bit. So a lot was made last season about the fact that the dolphins only beat one team out of I think it was six that they faced on their regular season schedule.

1096
01:24:57,900 --> 01:25:04,900
One team that ended up going to the playoffs and that team was the Cowboys and a really close game. Yep.

1097
01:25:04,900 --> 01:25:15,900
A lot of good defenses seem to have figured out the windows that McDaniel and to we're trying to open and that offensive side across the middle of the field.

1098
01:25:15,900 --> 01:25:22,900
And a lot like last season when those windows got shut, there didn't seem to be a lot of adjustments on the offensive side from McDaniel.

1099
01:25:22,900 --> 01:25:41,900
My question for you is what if anything, would you like to see McDaniel do different with this scheme or maybe the way he uses this personnel or maybe his play calling to help get you guys over that hump of competing more more consistently against top end teams.

1100
01:25:41,900 --> 01:25:42,900
Yeah.

1101
01:25:42,900 --> 01:25:57,900
So I think they need to take and have one playbook just for the bills. That way, when one of one of their teams look at the film from that game, it looks completely different to what they're going to get against them.

1102
01:25:57,900 --> 01:26:08,900
Because the like, like you do say, for all intents and purposes, they figured two out, you know, in terms of the timing and everything.

1103
01:26:08,900 --> 01:26:16,900
So that would be my one suggestion is just one playbook for the bills, another playbook for everybody else.

1104
01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:33,900
But also, I would love to see some more killer instincts in him. You know, he's very much a player's coach, he's going to be there to support the players.

1105
01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:43,900
But I don't know, I just want that like, we're just going to go up and just punch these guys, you know, and just continue to do that.

1106
01:26:43,900 --> 01:26:47,900
That's what I would love to see out of him.

1107
01:26:47,900 --> 01:26:59,900
You know, and I think that you'll see that then reflect upon the team as well, rather than this like Miami Beach party, you know, when things are going great, right.

1108
01:26:59,900 --> 01:27:04,900
But yeah, just that killer instinct, I think needs to really show up.

1109
01:27:04,900 --> 01:27:18,900
Because when, you know, when when they got down against good teams, it just kind of, it was very flat. It was, and it's just, you know, you got to be able to get back up, have that killer instinct and just go for it.

1110
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:20,900
I actually love that take.

1111
01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:21,900
Yeah.

1112
01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:22,900
We'll go ahead, JJ.

1113
01:27:22,900 --> 01:27:31,900
I just have one other note about the bills versus the dolphins. And this isn't this isn't any kind of two a trashing. This is actually Tyree kill trashing.

1114
01:27:31,900 --> 01:27:39,900
He has never gotten 100 plus even never gotten over 100 yards against the bills in his career, not one time, except for the playoffs.

1115
01:27:39,900 --> 01:27:42,900
I was going to say a couple of playoff games twice in the playoffs.

1116
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:44,900
Only when it mattered.

1117
01:27:44,900 --> 01:27:45,900
That's right.

1118
01:27:45,900 --> 01:27:48,900
But in the regular season, he's never gotten over 100 yards totally males.

1119
01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:52,900
But how much of that was due to Patrick Mahomes, right?

1120
01:27:52,900 --> 01:27:53,900
Right.

1121
01:27:53,900 --> 01:27:54,900
Yeah.

1122
01:27:54,900 --> 01:27:55,900
Yeah.

1123
01:27:55,900 --> 01:28:07,900
So, and I think that that's, you know, he's as a Miami dolphin, he's never eclipsed more than 82 yards in a game, which is like, I think, and I think that's, that's the reason I say this is not too a trashing.

1124
01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:23,900
I think it's, it's about the bills know how to kind of cancel out Tyree kill a little bit from so much experience playing against him and so much experience being trounced by him in the playoffs that I think they focus so much attention to him that that has a strong impact on the the Miami

1125
01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:24,900
Dolphins plan.

1126
01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:25,900
Yeah.

1127
01:28:25,900 --> 01:28:33,900
You not only have a QB spy against against to you now have a wide receiver spy speak with Tyree.

1128
01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:35,900
So exactly.

1129
01:28:35,900 --> 01:28:37,900
Yep.

1130
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:38,900
All right, I got one more question for you.

1131
01:28:38,900 --> 01:28:39,900
All right, Steve.

1132
01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:45,900
So Vic Fangio lot was made about him joining the squad last year and the coaching staff.

1133
01:28:45,900 --> 01:28:57,900
And he really did a great job, especially in the second half of the season when he got Ramsey back, really turning the screws down tight on that defense and getting the most out of them until like you said, injuries plague the squad.

1134
01:28:57,900 --> 01:29:10,900
And Fangio has now moved on. Do you have any concerns and if so what are they about regression on this defense as a result of having to learn a third defensive scheme now in three years.

1135
01:29:10,900 --> 01:29:14,900
Well,

1136
01:29:14,900 --> 01:29:19,900
I'm hoping no, I don't want to see any regression.

1137
01:29:19,900 --> 01:29:24,900
The guys need to get healthy.

1138
01:29:24,900 --> 01:29:27,900
Last year they took some really good strides.

1139
01:29:27,900 --> 01:29:41,900
But it took a long time and it seemed like as soon as Jalen Ramsey got healthy got his, his live action legs underneath him, you know, after a game or two.

1140
01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:57,900
That's when the injuries really hit it for for Miami and really the Ravens game just took a toll on them defensively.

1141
01:29:57,900 --> 01:30:00,900
So yeah, I mean, I hope that there isn't regression.

1142
01:30:00,900 --> 01:30:14,900
I'm really hoping weaver is able to like come in and just really transform that defense get them from really, really good to Lee.

1143
01:30:14,900 --> 01:30:28,900
You know, and perhaps a little more player centered from what I've heard, you know, just different things that I've read that wasn't necessarily the keys with Fangio.

1144
01:30:28,900 --> 01:30:32,900
And the players didn't buy into a scheme right away.

1145
01:30:32,900 --> 01:30:54,900
You know, so hopefully that trust can be built quicker and sooner and they're they're able to to just gel, you know, from from week one instead of week six through, you know, eight, nine, you know.

1146
01:30:54,900 --> 01:31:00,900
So, well, that's that's my that's my hope ideal, ideally speaking.

1147
01:31:00,900 --> 01:31:06,900
I think you got a good one for doing that weaver is a Rex Ryan disciple.

1148
01:31:06,900 --> 01:31:16,900
But based on some of the advanced press that I've read on him, he seems to have Ryan's like ability with the players, right, which speaks to your piece about earning their trust.

1149
01:31:16,900 --> 01:31:21,900
But he does not bring a lot from Ryan's blitz heavy scheme to the table.

1150
01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:30,900
So there could be some elements that carry over from the Fangio defense here with that added personality and meeting players on the level that they're at.

1151
01:31:30,900 --> 01:31:33,900
And you guys got you guys got some veterans on that team too.

1152
01:31:33,900 --> 01:31:34,900
We do.

1153
01:31:34,900 --> 01:31:39,900
So like having a head coach that knows how to work with veteran caliber defensive players is going to be really important.

1154
01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:45,900
So I think as much as I hate to say it and I said this last year, I think you guys got a good one with weaver, right?

1155
01:31:45,900 --> 01:31:47,900
I thought you got a good one with Fangio.

1156
01:31:47,900 --> 01:31:49,900
I hate how well coached you guys have the potential to be.

1157
01:31:49,900 --> 01:31:53,900
That scares the crap out of me, but I think you got a good one with weaver for sure.

1158
01:31:53,900 --> 01:31:54,900
Yeah.

1159
01:31:54,900 --> 01:32:07,900
And I feel like, you know, reflecting back just hearing just the rumors in the gossip that Fangio was there because there wasn't room for him on the Eagles staff at that point.

1160
01:32:07,900 --> 01:32:10,900
You know, had there been he would never have been a dolphin.

1161
01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:12,900
Yeah, absolutely.

1162
01:32:12,900 --> 01:32:13,900
Absolutely.

1163
01:32:13,900 --> 01:32:16,900
So but it worked out for you guys to some extent for a season, right?

1164
01:32:16,900 --> 01:32:18,900
And then outside of that, you know, I think you've got a good one.

1165
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:23,900
You know, I think you've got a good fresh start with a young player minded head coach here.

1166
01:32:23,900 --> 01:32:34,900
So, so yeah, well, you know, we wish you the best next season, but not too much of the best because that would adversely impact our beloved Buffalo Bills.

1167
01:32:34,900 --> 01:32:36,900
But see, we really appreciate you joining us.

1168
01:32:36,900 --> 01:32:41,900
We're going to have you back again when we do our AFC East mock draft spectacular.

1169
01:32:41,900 --> 01:32:42,900
All right.

1170
01:32:42,900 --> 01:32:43,900
So look forward to it.

1171
01:32:43,900 --> 01:32:44,900
Yes, let that be your warning.

1172
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:47,900
You got a couple of months to bone up here before you leave.

1173
01:32:47,900 --> 01:32:52,900
May I throw a name your way for research and consideration if you haven't heard about him already?

1174
01:32:52,900 --> 01:32:54,900
Jackson Powers Johnson.

1175
01:32:54,900 --> 01:32:57,900
Should you guys part ways with Conor Williams?

1176
01:32:57,900 --> 01:33:01,900
This is a big boy center from from Oregon University.

1177
01:33:01,900 --> 01:33:05,900
He would run absolutely wild in the McDaniel scheme.

1178
01:33:05,900 --> 01:33:06,900
So look into this guy.

1179
01:33:06,900 --> 01:33:10,900
Hopefully he doesn't land with you, but you know, you could do worse.

1180
01:33:10,900 --> 01:33:12,900
The 21 of this guy ended up falling.

1181
01:33:12,900 --> 01:33:13,900
We talking Troy Franklin.

1182
01:33:13,900 --> 01:33:14,900
No, no, no.

1183
01:33:14,900 --> 01:33:15,900
Oh God, no, please no.

1184
01:33:15,900 --> 01:33:19,900
Um, Jackson, what's his face from Oregon?

1185
01:33:19,900 --> 01:33:21,900
Jackson Powers Johnson.

1186
01:33:21,900 --> 01:33:22,900
Oh, okay.

1187
01:33:22,900 --> 01:33:23,900
Yep.

1188
01:33:23,900 --> 01:33:24,900
In case Conor Williams moves on.

1189
01:33:24,900 --> 01:33:29,900
I was prepping Steve here for the for the AFC E draft draft spectacular that we're

1190
01:33:29,900 --> 01:33:30,900
going to do in a couple of months.

1191
01:33:30,900 --> 01:33:31,900
I apologize.

1192
01:33:31,900 --> 01:33:33,900
Step away to be a dad for a second.

1193
01:33:33,900 --> 01:33:34,900
No, you're good.

1194
01:33:34,900 --> 01:33:35,900
Please by all means.

1195
01:33:35,900 --> 01:33:37,900
All right, Steve, thanks again for joining us.

1196
01:33:37,900 --> 01:33:38,900
All right.

1197
01:33:38,900 --> 01:33:39,900
Thank you all for having me.

1198
01:33:39,900 --> 01:33:41,900
I really enjoy it.

1199
01:33:41,900 --> 01:33:42,900
Awesome.

1200
01:33:42,900 --> 01:33:43,900
Take care, sir.

1201
01:33:43,900 --> 01:33:45,900
Thank you.