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Alright, welcome back to the Buffalo Bread Podcast, JJ here with Dan as always.

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And we are post Super Bowl.

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I think that for everyone's benefit, we can stop talking about the season that wasn't

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as a bill as a bill mafia and move on to the Hopium season, the off season, the bad and

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GM time when we can just bury ourselves and how the heck the bills are going to win their

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first championship next year because this year is no longer in consideration.

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And we all suffered through watching another Patrick Mahomes and Travis Swift win yet

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another ring and make it two in a row and prime themselves for that amazing NFL record

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which is three consecutive Super Bowl victories which we hope the bills will spoil epically

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for them next off season.

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Dan, what did you think of the big game and why did every single person of our generation

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immediately get down as soon as those, you know, first few beats of yeah hit during the

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halftime show?

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Because that is the music of our generation.

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That is the anthem.

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That is literally the anthem.

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I think any party, any gas station, movie theater, playing house music, anywhere I went

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played yeah.

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And the car with its windows open?

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Was legit the soundtrack to my life.

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I could walk out of a Walmart walk into a fast track and it would pick up seamlessly

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on what core core is playing.

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Yeah, was on both locations.

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Right.

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Absolute.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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How did you know the Super Bowl?

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I have I have lots of thoughts on the games mostly misery because we just got rid of Brady

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and now we are sandwiched in between him and Mahomes.

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We have the second best quarterback maybe of this generation but it doesn't matter because

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the first quarterback of best quarterback of this generation is in the AFC and we can't

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seem to get over that hum.

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All that stuff aside, there was a lot of to me it was surprising debate about who bills

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fans were going to root for in this game.

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And I get that the chiefs and Kelsey in particular are more likable than the Patriots everywhere.

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But the answer has to be you are rooting for the 49ers.

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You cannot root for the people that are literally keeping you away from the one thing you want

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to see before you die, which is the bills winning a Super Bowl.

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I don't care that they're in the AFC because like that whole root for the people and teams

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in your conference thing.

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I never abided by that.

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We just got done with 20 years of domination from the Patriots and I don't know how as

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a bills fan, I was then expected because this team and the chiefs is slightly more likable

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to root for them to continue to dominate us.

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So to me, the answer was clear root for the 49ers.

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But JJ, did you have a different take on that?

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Because I was surprised hearing a lot of bills fans being like, well, I'm going to root for

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the chiefs because they're in the AFC.

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I didn't like that take.

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Where were you at?

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I don't, I agree with you completely, I've never understood the whole like AFC unity.

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Like, no, why?

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When did that become a thing?

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How does rooting for your conference help your team?

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Like, it's, I guess, like if you're going to go big brain on it, it's the fact that

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the chiefs then have one worst spot in the every round of the draft.

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Like, yes.

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But really, it's like, I've never got that.

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It doesn't feel to me like there's any sort of, you know, unity by conference.

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That's silly.

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I was straight up and down, you know, 49ers and for two reasons.

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One, I like, I like the Brock Purdy narrative and the whole thought of, you know, someone,

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you know, the underdog hero mentality stuff.

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That's cool.

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I also very much like Christian McCaffrey and his whole, his whole gym.

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I wanted to see him get a ring having gone to the show and not gotten one before.

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And then the third piece of that was the revenge angle, having, you know, the 49ers lose to

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the chiefs a few years ago and then come back and win one on them.

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That was, those were all the things that I wanted out of that game.

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And the thing that I took away from that game was the chiefs proved yet again.

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And I think by way of coaching that they are the class of the entire league.

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They have the talent, of course.

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But the point I wanted to make with coaching is the refs weren't calling freaking anything

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in that game.

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It was a strong let the players play game.

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And I don't think, you know, for all the conspiracy theorists and nonsense out there

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about the league being scripted or whatnot, I don't buy any of that.

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Who will point at gifts and images of, you know, the chiefs players holding Bosa on every

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snap or this and that.

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Chris Jones was getting mugged every time you went up against the 49ers online, please.

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That's what I'm saying is like it was, it was a matter of, and the reason I point to

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coaching, it was a matter of the chiefs were better at playing dirty, knowing it wouldn't

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be called than the Niners were.

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But neither, both team had that advantage.

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If they just would have taken, taken advantage of it.

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The Niners just did a poor job and played too clean because like the rest weren't calling

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anything.

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The chiefs, the DBs were holding on every route.

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They were stifling Iook at the line.

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They were stifling all of the outside receivers.

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They were jamming up Christian McCaffrey kind of dirty if he was out on a pattern.

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So it's just that the chiefs played dirtier knowing they weren't going to get called than

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the Niners did.

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The Niners should have played dirtier is honestly what I think.

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And that, and that's what the chiefs do in the playoffs.

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We got a taste of it and that AFC championship game at the end of the 2020 season.

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So technically in the year of 2021, we got a taste of it with the quote unquote sticky

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coverage that those Kansas City DBs like to play against our wide receivers.

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Like the chiefs know because they are so well coached and so well prepped and so experienced

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at this time of the year.

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They know that refs swallow their whistles in the playoffs and the postseason.

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The refs do not want to be the story.

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They do not want to blow a call or make a call.

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There's going to ultimately take attention away from the outcome of the game.

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They don't want to be accused of it.

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They don't want the league doesn't want to deal with it.

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So refs notoriously swallow their whistles in the postseason.

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The chiefs know that and they will absolutely push the limits every down of what they can

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get away with in order to game that advantage.

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And that is not cheating.

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That is doing what you need to do to win working the margins in every way so that you can continue

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the success of that franchise has had.

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So no, I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

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Yes, the chiefs were holding every defensive player and every offensive player they could

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on the 49ers and the 49ers are doing the same thing.

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They just did not do enough execution wise, particularly on offense to win.

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And I mean, listen ma'am, shout out to Spags.

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Is he the goat of defensive coordinators?

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Like is he the defensive coordinator?

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This was his fourth.

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Fourth.

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The most among any assistant coach in the history of the NFL.

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Yeah.

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And he does until Spags, it was Belichick, right?

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With the Giants against the Bills and that's a role in like various throughout history,

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finding ways to just completely shut down an opponent who, you know, take away their

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best thing.

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And now I think it's Spags.

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I think that he has supplanted Belichick in terms of being a coordinator who has put his

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thumbprint on a championship caliber team roster and actual championships.

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And it was amazing to watch him work with real talent.

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And that's no shade.

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Like I have not thought much of these chiefs defenses in past years.

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It's been clear on the spot that we thought they were complete garbage for most of the

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past three years.

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And he always got the most out of those units.

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He had an amazing toolkit in McDuffie and Snead and Jones to work with this season.

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And he just he knows how to disrupt quarterbacks, right?

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I get Lou and Arumo from Cincinnati.

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Like, I get he gets a lot of credit for doing those things.

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Spags has done it with lesser talent on a more consistent basis.

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Even those Giants teams that he that he coached to beat the Tom Brady led New England Patriots

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against, he had an elite pass rush on those teams had nothing on the back end by way of

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coverage, right?

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So I mean, he was he has made it a habit of working with a lesser lesser palette of colors

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as an artist, if you will, on a lot of occasions.

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And an Arumo has not done that.

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He's done it with an ideal setup with like a Jesse Bates and a von Bell and all that

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other kind of stuff.

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But last season, when they clearly were missing some of those pieces for Cincinnati, the defense

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wasn't nearly as productive as it had been.

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Now he's still a really good defensive coordinator and he knows how to disrupt QBs.

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And to me, Spags has heads and tails above and Arumo, who I believe is probably number

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two on most people's list for best defensive coordinator working in the league right now.

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You know, and Fangio is probably in there somewhere as well.

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But it's Spags.

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It's Spags.

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It's Spags all the way and just like one note on the Arumo and the difference between

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them.

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Spagnolo will take literally any talent and turn them into an effective, effective, you

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know, opposing defense.

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In Arumo, and it's not just the talent basis, in Arumo is a schemer where Spagnolo is a

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caller, right?

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Like Spags knows what to call him the exact moment and he has a kind of a pretty natural

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sense of knowing where somebody's going to attack him and dialing up the perfect, you

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know, play to counter that.

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And then also to adjust his counters so that just when the offense thinks they have him

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solved, you know, they're getting the free rusher off the off the outside edge because

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they didn't account for it because he anticipated what they were going to do to counter him

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and he countered the counter.

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That is where Spags excels and Arumo doesn't necessarily have that level of complexity

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because Arumo's jam is again, he has a better, you know, talent pool to draw from.

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And then his other thing is he just has his scheme complexity is what makes his defenses

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so competitive.

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It's about the drop eight rush three, it's about the like really exotic twist, you know,

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and really the thing with Arumo is, and you can see this by the way that the Bengals have

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been played by the Browns by the 49 or not the frontiers, the Steelers by I'm just thinking

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old old teams, the Steelers, the Ravens, right?

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Like, there are teams within that division that play him very tough.

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And it's because they, if you study enough, you can do well, you can put up 20 plus points

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on Arumo.

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And this is an overly simplistic take on Arumo who I believe is a really good, I believe

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he's a really good coach, right?

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But like my take is like, he watched Fangio invent the drop seven rush four and was like,

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I will do you one better, sir.

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I will rush three and drop eight, right?

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Ha ha.

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Meanwhile, Spags is like, guess what?

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I'm going to drop seven and rush seven.

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That's right.

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People are like, what?

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How does that work?

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He's like, just watch.

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He does it with 11 players.

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Somehow with 11 players, he makes you think that there are 14 on the field.

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That's the beauty of Spags.

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All right, man.

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So yeah, another Chiefs victory, another offseason cycle of hope can begin for the Buffalo Bills.

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JJ, we set this up on the last pod.

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Some of the free agent priorities that we think the Bills are going to need to focus

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on and really it's about some veteran floor stabilizers.

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They're not going to be able to afford nor are there a lot of ceiling razors in free

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agency that the Bills can really can really bring on to the squad.

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So it's all about the draft.

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So this is where we're going to begin some of our draft coverage.

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What I'd like to do is if you are amenable to this, my good friend, as I want to talk

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about areas of need that we want to see the Bills hit in the draft, we don't need to dig

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too deep yet into players that we want to bring on board.

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I think we can mention a couple of names for the listeners at home to dig into here in

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draft season.

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But we're going to save that for a later date where we really go all out with some of our

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solo mock drafts and unpack why we think some of the players you want to bring to the squad

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are good.

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So right now, man, I just want to do some table setting for the draft.

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I love this time of year.

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I have started to get into to draft guide study and film study and a lot of these prospects.

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And I think I think there is a lot, a lot of possibility and potential based on where

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the Bills are drafting and how many picks they have to really address some needs.

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So onto those needs, JJ, what do you think are going to be the top priorities, particularly

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in rounds one through three that you think the Bills should focus on?

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This is all kind of dependent, as we always say, everything's dependent on how free agents

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the draft is dependent on free agency.

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Free agency is dependent on who you re sign of your own like that, you know, so with all

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that said, though, I think in the top three rounds, I'll say the top four picks the Bills

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make wherever they are.

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And that includes if they trade down from one and have two twos and two threes, you know,

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like the top four players in this draft that the Bills pick need to be some combination

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of one defensive lineman, one safety and two wide receivers.

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And that's kind of where I'm at.

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And that's, you know, and for me, it's like you have to value stack those.

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So if you're picking a DT or a defensive end in the first round, you need two and three

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to be wide receiver, and then you get a safety in the fourth or fifth, right?

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If you are picking a wide receiver in the first round, you need to go DT, then safety

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or safety, then DT and two and three, and fourth can be a backup, you know, double dip

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at wide receiver.

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But for me, it's it's some combo of two wide receivers, a safety and a defensive tackle.

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And I'm afraid knowing Brandon Bean, Sean McDermott's preferences, that the top four

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picks are going to be two defensive ends, a defensive tackle and a safety.

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And they're going to be like, we're going to bargain shop in the fifth round for a stud

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outside wide receiver, and they're never going to find it.

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I have had similar nightmares as well.

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I love your take.

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I want to I want to up the spiciness of said take.

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And I think I am zagging as I tend to do from where a lot of I think Bill's commentators

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are at.

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I think people look at this draft class and they see that wide receiver is really deep

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and defensive tackle at the one tech is not as deep as it is, they would like it to be.

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And as a result, people are deferring to the second round, a wide receiver pick.

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We've heard names like Tyler Franklin, a dummy Mitchell out of Texas, as possible gets in

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the second round, so that the bills can draft their one tech who will ultimately take their

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place next to an Oliver and the starting rotation here.

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I am of the firm belief that the Buffalo bills need to go wide receiver so long as one of

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their their guys is there.

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And by all accounts, this is a deep class with lots of round one graded wide receiver

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talent.

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They need to go wide receiver one.

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And it's for this simplistic reason, I have no numbers.

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I have no metrics by which I am basing the stake on.

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We were not a defensive tackle away from beating the chiefs and the divisional round.

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We were not a safety away from beating that team.

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We were 20 yard plays explosive offensive plays down the field that our current personnel

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package and makeup could not deliver.

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When we needed those plays, we could not get those plays.

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We are a wide receiver up true blue chip wide receiver away from being able to contend

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with the chiefs.

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Everybody is chasing the chiefs.

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The chiefs need wide receiver help.

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They also need tackle help and defensive line help as well, depending on what happens with

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Chris Jones this season.

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I guarantee you they're going to draft a wide receiver because they understand unlike

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the bills in certain draft years, what their fastball is, they're going to draft a wide

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receiver one and then they're going to make all those other positions of need work.

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The bills need to stop chasing the chiefs and start thinking like that unit if they

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want to beat them.

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So to me, wide receiver one has to be the pick.

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Dude, you're not going to, you're not actually going to get an argument from, from me against

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that.

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I will say this.

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The only way I would counter is that is that they should not, they can't, I think it would

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be a critical error, one that could cost them the ability to compete with the chiefs.

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If they reach for a wide receiver who's not the guaranteed stud they're looking for, and

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I know it's always a crap shoot in the draft.

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There's no guarantees.

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But if they, if it gets to pick 28 and Marvin Harrison, Jr. is of course gone, Roman, they're

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going to be top 10 picks probably.

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Malik neighbors or Brian Thomas, Jr. from LSU are both studs.

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They're gone.

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Heon Coleman is gone or Xavier Worthy, whoever you got, however you got them ranked.

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And they kind of dip down into Xavier Leggetti.

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You know, like that's what I'm, that's what I'm worried about is them using a premium

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first round pick on Troy Franklin.

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Because I think Troy Franklin is kind of a bust.

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Oh man, we're, oh okay.

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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, no, we'll, we'll, we'll certainly get into that, the individual specificity of

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the players that we're watching.

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But I'll just like, I threw out some names there.

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And what I mean is if, if there's a top five guy and they're able to get him a top seven

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even get him at 28 or jump up and get him, if he's a top five talent on their board and

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the way that they're valuing things, I am 100% in.

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I don't care.

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Give me fifth and sixth round DT is just filled the field with some, some chubby bodies and

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you know, see what we can do.

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But the, you know, the reality is if they, if they reached for a lesser talent, you know,

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a second or third round talent at wide receiver in the first round and then also miss out

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a premier defensive tackle or safety help, that's what I think could set them back.

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No, it's a, you make a reasoned well thought out point.

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And I think when we start to dig into some of the player profiles and top top prospects,

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each position, you'll start to understand my thinking a little bit more, right?

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Like I know, for example, at the safety position, a lot of bills, fans are enamored with bringing

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in a guy like Cam Kitchens, for example, from Miami.

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Jayden Hicks is another kid from Washington state, right?

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There is surprising amount of depth in the safety class go though.

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I think about Javon Bullard, well, a little bit undersized.

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It's kind of like this chess piece out of Georgia.

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And dude, the kid out of Utah, what's his face?

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Cole Bishop, like I've just started watching a little bit of his college highlights and

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game film.

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He is everywhere.

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Elite athleticism, elite speed, like he is absolutely a guy that could come in and fit

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into this scheme right away.

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And I think I know he's slotted at safety, but given the size and athleticism could have

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some utility and diamond nickel looks as well as a straight up cornerback.

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So like as we dig into this stuff, these high area, these areas of defensive priority that

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you and I both agree, we've needed to turn over safety maybe a year ago, maybe two years

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ago to bring an athleticism to that position.

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I think traits that we are looking for to coach up and fit into the scheme are going

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to be available in ladder rounds, maybe not a DT, but I think for sure it's safety, even

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at edge, right?

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I think we're going to be able to find some of those guys.

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Wide receiver for as deep as this class is.

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When you look similar to what the bills are doing on the defensive side, which is looking

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for a one tech, we are looking for an X. We are looking for someone who's 63, 64 has the

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right physicality at the point of catch, the right speed profile.

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And there's only a handful of guys in this draft, right?

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And yes, some of them may be in the second round or second round graded, but at pick

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28, it wouldn't feel like such a reach to me to go for an Adana Mitchell or go for,

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I think Xavier Legatio is going to be, I think he's going to come late.

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I think he's going to get graded like a third, even a fourth round maybe.

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Yeah.

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I just think he's going to test well.

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I think he's going to run very fast.

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You think he's going to be fast?

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That's going to be the thing.

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He's going to be 40.

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And I think that that's going to drive him up, I think.

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I think that's the thing with Keon Coleman too, right?

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I think if Coleman runs fast, because everything else is there, but people have questions about

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his speed on film.

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I think if he runs a four, four, I think he's out of draft range for the bills.

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I think he goes in the top 20, almost definitely, right?

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But all that aside, the trait profile and the skill profile the bills are looking at

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at wide receiver is limited.

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We don't need another 510 six foot slot guy.

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We've got that covered, right?

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And those are positions that are available in free agency on the cheap as well.

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When you look at the profile that they need a wide receiver, there's only a handful of

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guys available on this draft.

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And I really want to see the bills just go all out and get one.

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Yeah.

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And I'm with you there.

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And I think that the big thing for me is when we talk about setting the table and defensive

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line wide receiver and safety is kind of our top three needs.

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Safety is the is the one that like, I'm not going to sweat it at all.

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If the bills don't get somebody in the first three or four rounds, like if Tyler Newbin

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from Minnesota or Cameron kitchens from Miami are gone, and you're looking at maybe Javon

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Bullard, he's pretty good.

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Kailin Bullock is iffy, you know, like those guys are definitely second round talents.

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If those top four safeties, you know, are off the board or, you know, go a little bit

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earlier, I'm cool with them taking like you mentioned Cole Bishop is who's six, he's like

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six to 200 pounds.

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That's the kind of safety that the James Williams out of Miami.

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I'm six, I have two 15 like who was the guy who came out of Syracuse a couple years ago?

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Jeez.

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His brother was in the league.

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I can't think of his name.

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Oh, not Trill Williams.

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I know you're talking about.

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I know you're talking about.

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He's got a very interesting name.

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I'll look him up.

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But yeah, you called him bust because of his family lineage.

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You brought in like the bloodline and the family tree to call this kid a bust.

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Let me look him up because yeah, because he yeah, his brother was in the league already

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and was kind of like a highly, highly drafted way underachiever.

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He has been a modest achiever, but still not certainly up to his draft position.

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I can't again.

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Sorry.

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I'm sorry, but the thing about that is like huge, huge safeties, big size safeties tend

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to be a little bit too lanky to have that kind of quick titch, quick twitch reactions

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or take, you know, sometimes they struggle to take good angles or unable to kind of

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really break down and tackle in the box when they need to and kind of get beat by shifty

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or running backs and slots.

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And so, you know, that's that's the question there is like is somebody that's a huge kind

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of long safety going to be the guy because I know that that's one of that's one of Sean

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McDermott's preferences for all DB positions is that they kind of have some size and Jordan

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Poeier make a hide aside.

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You know, I think that they could be looking for some of some of the size there and they

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can get that leader in the draft.

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And also you just sort of trust with Bobby Babbage and with, you know, some of the talent

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they have in the coaching staff, they're going to be able to grab even if it's a rookie safety

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or, you know, a veteran from free agency who's a little bit cheaper later in free agency,

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they're going to be able to slap something together and have some, you know, some competent

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back end play.

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So that's the one position of the three that we're discussing.

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And I'm just like, yeah, take, take somebody.

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But I trust they're going to get it work.

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Yeah.

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The the DB are thinking of is I affect to Mila Fonwoo.

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Mila Fonwoo.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I was going to bug me.

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There is.

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And again, I'm only just getting into my, my draft prep.

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There is one DB, one DB where if all of our top guys, I'm talking all of them at wide

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receiver were off the board at one, I would feel good about the bills taking with first

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round picture and that right now is Cooper Dijon out of Iowa.

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He has speed, size, athleticism, and he's got position versatility.

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Like there is an open argument amongst a lot of draft gurus about whether or not he is

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a safety or a cornerback.

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And there's a lot of folks who are like, listen, he's got the speed profile and athletic profile

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to stay with wide receiver ones.

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He can be a cornerback in the NFL.

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I imagine a chess piece like that for McDermott in the secondary and, and I salivate a little

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bit with his speed profile, dude.

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I mean, we could do some pretty crazy things.

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Like we have talked about the need for that elite trait in the secondary for many, many

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years.

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We thought we might have had it with Elam, but he put Dijon back there.

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And if Elam figures stuff out, all of a sudden you have maybe two of the fastest DBs in the

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league on your squad.

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Yeah, no, I agree completely with Dijon.

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If it's available, like that's there, and there are, there are a few, right?

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There are some prospects in this draft at some positions that we are not disgusting,

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disgusting, disgusting.

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That if they, if they're there when the bills are drafting, it's almost like just got, you

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just got to turn that card in, right?

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Like you just have to take that, that player.

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And so yeah, I definitely see some of those.

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And I'm trying to think like who's another player of a different position that I'd be

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like, oh, get that guy, get that guy.

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Maybe like, like I do to, you know, top 15 edge.

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Even chop Robinson out of Penn State, although Penn State and edges really scare me.

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We have not had good luck with that.

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No, I will remind you, right?

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But yeah, so there's, there's a few of those players.

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I'm not really, I know there's some like excellent offensive tackles and offenses linemen.

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I think you were talking to Steve before the pod about Jackson powers Johnson.

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Love this dude, but that is a Mitch Morse dependent.

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Yeah, if that ends up happening, right?

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But yeah, yes.

462
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,200
And that's the, that's the hard part about getting too much into prospects now before

463
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,600
free agency, because we have no idea what the bills are going to do to a get under the

464
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:58,920
cap and then be how they're going to fill out some of the floor raising positions via

465
00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,920
free agency.

466
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:00,920
Yeah, right.

467
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,920
Yeah.

468
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,920
Yeah.

469
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,480
So there's just a few, there's a few pieces that it's like, okay, if that's guys are you

470
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,720
got to take him just because that's too much value to have slid.

471
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,080
But really, I think that the, I'll say this about the draft after looking at kind of prospect

472
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:19,800
rankings and kind of pre draft, the early pre draft stuff, the positions, the bills need

473
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,760
and the way that the board looks like it's falling in most people's mocks in the first

474
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,760
round.

475
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,960
I'm booned with this sir, because it feels, it feels like the positions of need that the

476
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,280
bills will like need to target there.

477
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:39,520
There should be a small handful, three, five, maybe players of, of talent at positions of

478
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,640
need who the bills could potentially pick from.

479
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:48,200
And I wonder if picking 28, like here, here's the thing I, the mental exercise I keep going

480
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,200
through is.

481
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:55,800
If they're picking 28 and they trade down to 34, can they still get somebody that they're

482
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,000
really excited about and add some second or third round picks, second, third or fourth

483
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,440
round picks?

484
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,080
Or are they just going to give up that stud wide receiver that they were targeting to

485
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,720
the Kansas City Chiefs at 32?

486
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,240
Dude, you just, you know, I took that right out of your, you did, you took that right

487
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,960
out of my head, but not, not give them the stud at 32.

488
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,960
Right.

489
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,560
I think about the Trent, I think about the Trent McDuffie trade up.

490
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,560
Oh, yeah.

491
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,840
Oh, some of the, the Kansas.

492
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,840
Chiefs snipe them.

493
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,840
Right.

494
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:32,000
The Chiefs like, so everybody of note gets drafted and two wide outs are left and the

495
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,400
bills are seven picks away from picking, right?

496
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,320
And that means the Chiefs are going to be what, 11 picks away or something like that.

497
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,320
Yeah.

498
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,680
So, and the only two guys left on the board, Keon Coleman and Brian Thomas Jr. on the LSU,

499
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,360
the Chiefs will not hesitate to leapfrog the bills to get one of those two guys, right?

500
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,680
In the first round.

501
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,360
So it's not about necessarily being trading back.

502
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Again, it's like him thinking like Kansas City, if the guy I want is in this round and

503
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:08,520
he isn't striking distance because to trade up from 28 to 20 to get the guy that you want

504
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,680
in this draft, you're, you're giving up maybe a future third round pick.

505
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,800
If that's the case, maybe a second worth it, right?

506
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,920
Worth it if you can go get an X and then maybe your future wide receiver one after the digs

507
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,760
contract expires too.

508
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,040
So I want to see like with 10 picks and in pocket, right?

509
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,000
Depending on whether or not we get a comp pick for admins, which I think we are, I want

510
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,640
to see some aggression out of being this year.

511
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,640
I really do.

512
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,480
I want to see some, some bread beach like aggression out of him to go address some of the needs

513
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,600
on this crew because I do think it defensive tackle and I think it's safety we will find

514
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,280
guys later on, I think for sure.

515
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,080
Which means we're probably not going to argue that much about Byron Murphy, like we talked

516
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,480
about doing.

517
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,480
You don't like him.

518
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,480
I don't like him.

519
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,160
I love him.

520
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,500
So, but it doesn't seem like it's going to be a factor for us if our needs play out the

521
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:01,500
way that they're going to.

522
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:06,760
Well, if our needs play out and also like he, a lot of people are projecting him to go in

523
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,680
the top 15, so it might, it's not, it might just be a moot point anyway, because the bills

524
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,800
in this draft are not trading up for defensive tackle.

525
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,800
No, the way the needs are.

526
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,800
The way the needs are.

527
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,800
They're not moving up.

528
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,040
Um, yeah, on my note, because I watched.

529
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,640
So just to tell everybody who's, you know, our listeners new and old, the way that Dandan

530
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,000
approached draft prep is that we watch, it's important.

531
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000
This, this is important too.

532
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,680
You can go into YouTube and watch highlights.

533
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,920
I like to watch full games and so it's harder to find, but oftentimes somebody will do like

534
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,960
a highlight, a player on a full, full game.

535
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,040
So you get to see every snap because that's important.

536
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,960
You got to see the good and the bad.

537
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Correct.

538
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:51,040
Um, the reason that I don't like Byron Murphy is his highlights are ridiculous.

539
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,920
The dude can absolutely hunt and tackle anybody.

540
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,600
He's so, so much faster than six, one, three, oh, eight should be.

541
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:06,280
And that's valuable, he spent so much time on ground every single game, even his, even

542
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,880
his highlights, he's on the ground.

543
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,400
And that is a real giant red flag for me for a defensive tackle prospect because trench

544
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:20,000
play is so much about balance and so much about technique at the NFL level that this

545
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:26,160
is a player who if I'm a above average guard in the league, I look at that and sure the

546
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,800
physicality and the finesse and athleticism, all of that scares me with Byron Murphy.

547
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,380
But I also recognize that he'll get way too over over the front of his feet.

548
00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:40,160
He will get way too off balance to the right or left when he's trying his different swims

549
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,040
and rips and you just put him on the ground.

550
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,800
That does not worry me.

551
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:50,600
Somebody that worries me is to Vandre sweat also out of Texas because he's like, he's

552
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,920
literally built like a tree stump.

553
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,980
He's like 64, 362 and the thing he's got amazing balance.

554
00:32:57,980 --> 00:33:02,160
So where what he lacks in the athleticism that Byron Murphy has, he more than makes

555
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,320
up for in kind of advanced hand fighting for somebody who's in college and balance.

556
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,080
He's got incredible contact balance.

557
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,840
He maintains his leverage.

558
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,240
He regularly splits double teams just based on his size.

559
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,800
He's the kind of anchor in the middle of a defense that if you put him next to an undersized

560
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:24,120
at Oliver, there will be an opportunity to double team at Oliver, not a single snap of

561
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,120
the whole game.

562
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,480
The bills have any talent whatsoever outside.

563
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,240
To Vandre sweat will demand the double team of those five offensive linemen every play.

564
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,920
I like sweat and I don't want to say anything disparaging about him because he is my number

565
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,280
two DT right now as I'm going through the going through my my progressions and evaluating

566
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,280
these players.

567
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,920
I'm a little concerned he didn't weigh in at the senior bowl.

568
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,960
Yeah, his weight is way too concerned.

569
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,400
He has listed at 362.

570
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:58,120
A lot of scouts that I've listened to on media takes and stuff like that say that he was

571
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,840
probably pushing 380 385 at the senior bowl, right?

572
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,800
And we know the bills and how much they value body type, the only exception being really

573
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,400
Osiris Torrance and the McDermott era.

574
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,360
But I think back to what they asked AJ Epineza to do to fit their scheme.

575
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:24,240
And I worry, especially putting a first round pick on a guy like sweat, what the bills would

576
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:30,040
need to do in order to get him scheme ready and fit into the mold that they have for the

577
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,440
one tech that they want.

578
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,840
Because through 385 is big 385 is really big.

579
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,720
And of course, he's got a good center of gravity at 385.

580
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:40,200
The earth is literally holding him up at that point.

581
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,880
He's got density that creates orbits.

582
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,040
Exactly.

583
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,320
And that's I mean, that's a really good point.

584
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,800
The thing about Devon de Sway is if you draft him and then you ask him to change his body

585
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:59,600
type, that's like going down to your junkyard and buying a flatbed one ton like delivery

586
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,440
truck and then deciding you're going to make it into a drag like a drag racing car.

587
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Like it's just not what you why would you do that?

588
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:14,000
Like that's not this thing has an incredible value given its operational function to make

589
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,840
something different just it seems asinine.

590
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,640
So if they draft him and then we're like, Hey, we need you to get down to 315.

591
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,160
Like I'm just not here for it because like that's even 350.

592
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,480
He'll be tripping over his loose skin.

593
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:34,320
Like that's not like and that's like I'm not making light of people who have amazing

594
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,720
body transformation.

595
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:39,920
But like it's you know, he seemed to play really nice at 350 360.

596
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,920
Yeah.

597
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,800
And kind of maintain that and that's the that's the thing too is like certainly that's a question.

598
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,280
I worry about that.

599
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:53,400
But if he is able to kind of you know, have some athleticism, keep some some of that size,

600
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:59,080
he will he will determine you know, what kind of running scheme that team can run at your

601
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,320
defense like he helps set ski.

602
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,320
Yeah.

603
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,880
I also like to other than Murphy and sweat.

604
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:12,360
I really I like Chris Jenkins not as a first round pick but as a guy who we can get in

605
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,160
the later round second or third round.

606
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,160
Right.

607
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,240
Again, all pending, combine measurements and how much we over eight people like running

608
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,800
routes and making plays in shorts and t-shirts.

609
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,800
Right.

610
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,920
But just based on the little bit of film I've been able to watch on Jenkins.

611
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,840
I really like what he would add in the middle of that defensive line.

612
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,800
That doesn't have the first quick first step that Murphy does, but I think would provide

613
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,040
some real consistency next to Oliver.

614
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,200
So yeah, there's going to be a dude, there's going to be a lot of ways that they can take

615
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,960
this but to me as I sit here today and my mind could change it.

616
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:54,200
There are less as deep as the wide receiver classes, less specific guys of the profile

617
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,080
the bills need a wide receiver than there are at other positions of need in this draft,

618
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,000
which is why I want to see wide receiver in the first round.

619
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,560
So long as one of those top seven or eight guys with likely get a first round grade are

620
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,760
going to be there.

621
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,760
Sure.

622
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,760
Yeah.

623
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,480
And trade up to get it.

624
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,360
Being trained up to get it.

625
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,360
Target your guy.

626
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,640
You have 10 picks.

627
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,640
Don't let each you.

628
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,640
You.

629
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,560
Don't let them beat you.

630
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,560
That's amazing.

631
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:29,840
I will say one more thing about defensive type, a specific defensive tackle in this draft.

632
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,880
And that is McKinley Jackson, Texas A&M probably like a.

633
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,880
Oh, you like.

634
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,880
Oh, yeah.

635
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,240
Oh, don't tell me you don't like him.

636
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:40,240
I don't like him.

637
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,400
Oh my God.

638
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,760
It's so funny that we like have such differing opinions on these.

639
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:46,760
What is that?

640
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:47,760
Oh my God.

641
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,400
This is going to be so much fun when we do our actual player breakdowns, man.

642
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,400
Yeah.

643
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,400
I'll save it for that.

644
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,800
This will be a tease for the future.

645
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,400
But yeah, I don't like his game.

646
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,800
I don't like his game.

647
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,760
I like his game if he's a fourth round pick.

648
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,760
I was going to say.

649
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,760
I don't like his game any higher.

650
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,760
Yeah.

651
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,240
I mean, I'm not saying he's a second or even a third rounder.

652
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,200
Somebody might draft him second or third round and he'll be a bust at that.

653
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,720
Well, they'd be stupid to do that.

654
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,240
But like as a fourth rounder.

655
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,320
He's a rotational at best backup.

656
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,320
He.

657
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,320
Yeah.

658
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,320
We need those guys.

659
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,320
We don't have any of those guys.

660
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,320
That's true.

661
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,320
That's true.

662
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,320
Pick them in the fifth.

663
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,320
I'll give him a chance.

664
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,320
But any higher, I'm just like, nope.

665
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,840
No, I like I like him as a fourth too.

666
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,840
So we actually agree.

667
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,840
Yeah, we're pretty close on that.

668
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,840
We agree on that.

669
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:27,840
I just think he's going to get overdrafted.

670
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,320
I think somebody's going to pick him in a third or second.

671
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,080
I mean, I don't I don't see him.

672
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:36,760
I only see him on a couple of top 100 boards like ESPN doesn't have him on top 100.

673
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,080
The athletic doesn't.

674
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,400
I don't think Danny Kelly at the ring or has him as a top 100 either.

675
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,400
So I mean.

676
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,960
It's a board says on a 76.

677
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:45,960
Really?

678
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:46,960
Oh, that's a little surprising.

679
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,600
No, I mean, I'd put him in.

680
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,320
I'd definitely put him in the lower lower half of the draft.

681
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,320
Yeah.

682
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,320
Yeah.

683
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,320
Yeah, me too.

684
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,320
That's okay.

685
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,320
So that's that's at least so good.

686
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,320
We agree on that.

687
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,800
And then there's on Newton at Illinois.

688
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,320
Is he one of those players that if he is like hanging out on the board at 25 you trade up

689
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,320
for?

690
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,000
No, because I think I think he ends up playing lighter at what his listed weight is, which

691
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
is 295.

692
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,680
And we already have we already have our undersized three tech in that Oliver for the future.

693
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,680
So yeah.

694
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,680
Yeah.

695
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,680
No shaded him.

696
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,680
His game is great.

697
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,040
He's an amazing pass rusher.

698
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,880
Lacks a little bit to be has a little bit to be desired in the run stopping game, which

699
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,600
is really what the bills are drafting, right?

700
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:33,200
And as a as a first round pick, he would basically be Oliver's backup and we don't need to worry

701
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,280
about Oliver's backup in the first round.

702
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,200
We need a one tech.

703
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,200
Yeah, absolutely.

704
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,200
No, I agree.

705
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,200
I agree.

706
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,360
Yeah, man.

707
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,880
I think we've honed in on it a little bit.

708
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,880
Safety.

709
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,280
I feel like I'm good if the bills go free agent signing there.

710
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,720
Like we said, like we said in the press pod and then draft a dude in the later rounds.

711
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:54,920
I really like Cole Bishop.

712
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,880
We're going to talk more about him.

713
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,360
So I'm good with free agent and then a rookie addition, right?

714
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,320
So you don't need to put the rookie in right away.

715
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,640
It's such a high leverage position in the McDermott defense.

716
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,640
And then rookie can be a fourth, third, fourth, fifth, you know, exactly.

717
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,640
Right.

718
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,920
It doesn't have to be premium top three pick.

719
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,920
Right.

720
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,800
Wide receiver, DT safety.

721
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,680
If it goes in that order, I'm a happy man on draft day.

722
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,120
So absolutely.

723
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,240
So no, I think we drill down on it.

724
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,360
So where we go from here for those of you listening at home is we are still going to

725
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,880
post weekly every Saturday.

726
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,440
What you're going to get for the next three weeks tacked on to the end of the pod is going

727
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,200
to be our annual segment, friends of the pod, not friends of the bills, where we're going

728
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:42,040
to invite our three friends who are fans of other AFC East teams to come in and kind

729
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,720
of set the free agency and draft table for their squads.

730
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:50,160
So please stick around at the end of this episode because you're going to hear our friend, Jared,

731
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:55,520
give what was a an emotional soliloquy about his New York, New Jersey jets and what he

732
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,640
feels like they need to do to reenter contention in the AFC East.

733
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,200
So you're going to get some of those pods over the next three weeks for us.

734
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,520
We're going to take you right up to free agency right through the draft and then we'll take

735
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,000
a brief hiatus between draft and OTAs.

736
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,000
All right.

737
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,600
So plenty of Buffalo bread coming to you every week, every Saturday morning.

738
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,320
Make sure you like, share and subscribe to the pod.

739
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,720
Make sure you set us up for an automatic download.

740
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:26,440
You can find us wherever you get your podcast, Google Apple Spotify and as always JJ, go

741
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:41,040
bills, go bills.

742
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,920
And welcome back to Buffalo Brad, Buffalo bills fan podcast.

743
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,360
You are joining us for one of our favorite annual segments that JJ and I like to do here

744
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,960
in the off season, friends of the pod, but not friends of the bills.

745
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,200
This is where JJ and I get to sit down with some of our friends who are fans of other

746
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:02,840
AFC East teams to discuss where they think their rival teams to the bills are going to

747
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,120
land here in the off season.

748
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,880
We've been doing it for a couple of years.

749
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,440
We're always excited to dig into a little bit of the details on who we think are the

750
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,000
up and comers in the division.

751
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,840
And today we are starting with the New York, New Jersey jets and we have friend of the

752
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,480
pod and that friend of the bills, Jared on with us.

753
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,120
Jared, how you doing today, man?

754
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,120
I'm doing good.

755
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,160
Let me also, I don't hate the bills.

756
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,120
Let me say I'm not a I'm not an enemy of the bills.

757
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,320
I respect their fan base.

758
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,200
I've loved my time in Buffalo.

759
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,840
And honestly, we get to this time every year and I just consider completely abandoning

760
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,040
the team I grew up watching.

761
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,960
So we're, you know, we just remember those those feelings and those years are not too

762
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,400
far removed from mine and JJ's memory.

763
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,840
I will say this is like the third or fourth time you've been on the pod.

764
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:52,960
You are like the, I would say out of the three guests we have, you are the most bills friendly,

765
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:53,960
I would say.

766
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,040
Like there's like a mutual respect.

767
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:01,360
Brandon, who is our resident New England Patriots expert, openly hate the bills and

768
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,860
it's hilarious.

769
00:43:02,860 --> 00:43:07,520
One of the reasons he says he likes me and JJ's pod so much is because we rag on the

770
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,920
bills more than anti bills podcast.

771
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:15,760
Growing up 20 minutes from Shea Stadium where the Mets played cynicism and darkness informs

772
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,920
my entire lens of professional sports fandom.

773
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,520
Um, here, here's my thing.

774
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,240
And you know, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna start ripping out of the gate here.

775
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:27,760
Bring it.

776
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,600
This past jet season.

777
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:39,200
Was heartbreaking and disappointing and sad in an exceptionally different type of way.

778
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:47,000
Um, because it never has a team both look so close to real contendership and so far

779
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,480
from real contendership.

780
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:55,680
Forget about in the same season, in the same game, in the same.

781
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,600
They were, they were the most exciting, unwatchable team.

782
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,000
I could, I could make a compelling argument.

783
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Maybe ever the most exciting unwatchable football team in modern forward pass.

784
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,320
I love the take.

785
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,880
I assume you're talking a little bit about the, the defensive, the gap between the defensive

786
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:21,240
efficacy of your team and then the offensive inefficacy of your team.

787
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:25,800
Cause your defense dude was something to behold every week, right?

788
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,000
And we'll get into some of those numbers in a bit.

789
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,800
And I'm guessing those were the exciting pieces for you.

790
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,240
And then when the offense took the field, that's where kind of like all the light drained

791
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,200
away and it was just darkness.

792
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,400
Yeah.

793
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:43,280
And I wish we had like a fun flashback effect because around a year ago this time you'd

794
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,880
hear me and at that time I sounded like a crazy person yelling in the streets.

795
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,560
What would signing Aaron Rodgers actually accomplish?

796
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,600
Does the offense get any better?

797
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,320
Does the play calling get any better?

798
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,320
You've fired LaFleur.

799
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:03,680
LaFleur turns out might have been the guy and you're still, you know, navigating what

800
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:10,120
I would describe as the same old Jets prop, which is in short, you hire its stubborn defensive

801
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:17,520
minded head coach and you hand him a rookie quarter.

802
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:23,000
It's basically like an episode of chop, except every secret ingredient is like coal.

803
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,840
What do you, what do you do?

804
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:32,160
And like does, you know, does Aaron Rodgers even solve this?

805
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,280
And you know, so then what happens?

806
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:40,360
Aaron Rodgers, after what I would describe as a very successful PR campaign on hard knocks

807
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:48,400
plays less than one series as a jet before rupturing his Achilles turns out that he's

808
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,240
the same old insufferable.

809
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:52,240
I have to be the smartest guy in the room.

810
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:53,240
Aaron Rodgers.

811
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:59,760
So even while he's not present, he's finding new and creative ways to like still decimate

812
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,280
the morale of the team from a distance.

813
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,960
It's like a, he was like a bad video game character.

814
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:12,880
And then in the forefront, as this is happening, Zach Wilson on four or five separate occasions

815
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,760
this season actually gave incredible glimpses of talent and potential.

816
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,760
Totally agree.

817
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:24,040
He's got, he's got a hand in of an arm, but he, he cannot make progressions fast enough

818
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,040
yet.

819
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,360
And if you combine that with the Jets biggest limitation that stayed at a limitation because

820
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:35,080
of their wager on Rodgers, their offensive line, it was, it was a nightmare.

821
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,600
And you can actually, and I'm sure we can talk, you know, a little bit further about

822
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:47,160
this, but like the jets every time a team tried to pass rush them every time an extra

823
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,840
edge rusher was utilized against the jets.

824
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:57,640
The jets couldn't generate offense despite having, I mean, we're, I'm not even being

825
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,160
delusional when I say this.

826
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,840
This hall, it turns out is a top five running back in football.

827
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:02,840
Yeah, he's great.

828
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,840
He's an amazing weapon.

829
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,840
Yeah.

830
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:05,840
Yeah.

831
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,120
Garrett Wilson, it turns out is a top 10 receiver in football.

832
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:15,360
And with both of those things, they literally averaged the step that stands out to me and

833
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,240
you shared this with me.

834
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:21,760
One point one five points per possession.

835
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:29,240
For context, I coach basketball professionally, if my basketball team averaged one point one

836
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:33,560
five points per profession, I would be on the chopping block.

837
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,120
You'd have a lot of 50% free throw shooters on your unit.

838
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,120
Yes.

839
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,120
That was the case.

840
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:46,800
So I mean, I don't even know where to begin to unpack it, Dan, except for saying to you,

841
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,640
I told you so.

842
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,680
I told you that this was going to happen if the Jets did this with Rogers.

843
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:59,440
This season gave me, by the way, zero evidence whatsoever that if Aaron Rogers played, they

844
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,640
would have even been three to four wins.

845
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,160
That's you know, and that's the burning one of the big and I think the biggest burning

846
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,320
question for you guys heading into next season is how much are you going to be able to hang

847
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:15,680
your hat on an Aaron Rogers comeback at the age of what 41 he'll be in season next year,

848
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,880
coming back from an Achilles injury.

849
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,760
So Jared, you have touched on so many juicy topics.

850
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:22,760
Powered by rage.

851
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,760
I jumped all over the place.

852
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,760
Powered by rage.

853
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:25,760
I love it.

854
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,040
But you hit, you went, you were, you very succinctly, I think, gave us your state of

855
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,040
mind as a Jets fan heading into the off season.

856
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,320
And now I think what I'd like to do for the listeners at home is let's guide them through

857
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,640
some of the things that we feel like are going to be priorities for your unit to dig into

858
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,880
here in this off season.

859
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,720
But before we can get into that, let's talk about the season that was by the numbers.

860
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:52,880
We said this pre pot and I might have said it a couple of minutes ago, but it bears repeating

861
00:48:52,880 --> 00:49:00,360
the gap, the gap in performance between this defense, which was an all around literally

862
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:06,800
by several metrics, efficiency, success rate, DVOA was a top three unit in the league was

863
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:13,800
so anchored by what was one of the worst overall offenses, maybe in league history, no exaggeration.

864
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,040
I agree with you that Zach Wilson showed some flashes.

865
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,680
He's got big time arm talent.

866
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:25,720
His off platform, off platform throwing skills are still what they were out of college.

867
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:30,680
This is something that I think a good quarterback coach and offensive coordinator can develop.

868
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,720
But Trent Dilfer said at the best last year is, as Jets fans were going through another

869
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:40,080
Zach Wilson, Zach Wilson roller coaster ride last season, he's like, Zach Wilson just doesn't

870
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,560
want to do the boring stuff.

871
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,160
And that's his biggest problem.

872
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,520
He doesn't want to hit, take the easy yards.

873
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,800
He doesn't want to take the seven yard out route.

874
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,840
He doesn't want to hit the eight yard end cut.

875
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,400
He doesn't want to throw the sticks.

876
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,840
He wants to do something spectacular every time he has the ball in his hands.

877
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,680
And as a result, he's still making a lot of mistakes that you would not expect a third

878
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,540
or fourth year QB to be making, which is hanging onto the ball too long.

879
00:50:03,540 --> 00:50:09,120
His time to throw average behind that offensive line was one of the longest in the league.

880
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,360
But because he's athletic, because he's got the arm tail and he thought he could improvise

881
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,760
more than more than he was actually able to.

882
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:22,600
You just you just Nick, Zach Wilson, by the way, but the problem that the Jets, at least

883
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:28,280
this iteration of the Jets is never going to answer is, could you solve those things

884
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,560
with a decent quarterbacks coach?

885
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,400
So I want to walk you through three angles here.

886
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,320
Angle one, their defense is as good as they are on paper.

887
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,400
And I would argue somehow underrated.

888
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,960
I think that they're the number one defense in the league.

889
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,280
If the offense can even remotely stay on the field, I agree.

890
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,000
We're not talking about an offense.

891
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,640
Oh, they got it into the red zone, but they struggled to score and they just relied on

892
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:51,640
field.

893
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:58,040
We are talking about an offense that could not clear its own 50 yard line more than twice

894
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,600
to three times.

895
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:07,240
We are like a a beacon of offensive utility in the NFL.

896
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:08,240
So that that's core.

897
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:13,320
What is just systemically, you have the two biggest problems that you could possibly have,

898
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,400
which is Wilson holds on for the ball to scan his progressions too long and they have a battle

899
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,120
and you put those things together and it's over.

900
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:25,520
Thing two, in spite of those two problems, I could also make you a compelling argument

901
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,240
that the Jets record is actually two or three games better than it should be.

902
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:31,280
Oh, God, I totally agree.

903
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:37,200
Oh, yeah, there are a lot and I mean, a lot in this modern brand of NFL football.

904
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:44,280
There are a lot of stubborn coaches and the Jets hung around some games that they had

905
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:49,120
no business being a part of, including week one against the bills.

906
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,040
And I was wondering what it actually we're 11 minutes and I was wondering how long it

907
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,760
take you to bring that up.

908
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,080
Yeah, McDermott learned.

909
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,160
And my goodness, did that second game look a lot different from the first game, just

910
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,960
in terms of a defensive scheme.

911
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,480
If you were a stubborn coach that played the Jets, for lack of a better way of putting

912
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,680
it, you tried to do things your way, which I was, you know, coaching, right?

913
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,600
You can't control it.

914
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,360
But if you are willing to kind of dive the plan and see what the best practices were

915
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,400
for defending the Jets, you held them.

916
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,960
You killed them.

917
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,360
The bills did that in game two.

918
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,680
The Browns did that.

919
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:36,080
The Jets were bounced by any team that was willing to do the actual homework on defeating

920
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,080
the Jets.

921
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,720
That's point two.

922
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:41,120
And now here's problem three.

923
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:48,480
Um, it turns out that all that junk Sean Payton was talking about the Nathaniel Hackett cleanup

924
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,160
job.

925
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,360
We can move that.

926
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,040
Um, at first we thought it was, wow, Sean, you know, Sean Payton is out of his mind.

927
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,920
We forgot about this, you know, forgot about the fact that he was the bounty gate guy.

928
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:05,800
We can actually now move that into a different file folder, which was maybe the wrong delivery

929
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:11,240
of the message, but 100% the correct message.

930
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:18,280
And Zach Wilson, in my opinion, Zach Wilson's offensive funeral as a jet quarterback will

931
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:24,080
be, you know, the writing on the stone will be was buried by Nathaniel Hackett's play

932
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,960
card.

933
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,880
It was a roshus all year.

934
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,280
And then hilariously, these two teams played and the Jets could barely move the ball because

935
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,480
the Broncos knew what he wanted to do.

936
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,200
And from that crossroads in like week five or six, when those two teams played, the Jets

937
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:46,480
became unwatchable on offense and the Broncos took like three to four gigantic steps forward

938
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,800
as a franchise, including one big one against my bills.

939
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:50,800
Yeah.

940
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:59,560
So, I mean, I've never felt it's it I was you're like stuck in a bad high school relationship

941
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:00,880
with this team.

942
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,800
You know exactly what needs to change.

943
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,740
And you know that the current leaders do desire changing.

944
00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:12,280
And I will tell you that the big difference from me, maybe the only difference for me

945
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:17,920
from where we were talking last year about this team to this year was Robert Salas stock

946
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,640
with me as a Jets fan is now gone.

947
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,120
You were you were kind of down on him last year when we were doing this stuff too.

948
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,920
You really questioned if he was the guy even with Rogers coming in that was going to be

949
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:34,080
the one to like shepherd this team across the finish line.

950
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,920
There are trust me, I've learned this myself professionally.

951
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,680
There are great assistant coaches out there who go through an experience that they're

952
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,800
either they realize maybe they're ready to be a head coach or they realize maybe it's

953
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:49,800
not for them.

954
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,320
But that has happened to me before I was not ready to be a head coach the first time I

955
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,320
tried it.

956
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,320
I got better in the position.

957
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,560
Thankfully, it was like, but I wasn't ready.

958
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,920
I didn't think about a million different things.

959
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:09,760
He is now each season just made a stupid decision.

960
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:14,540
Like either early season or mid season that has completely scarred his team.

961
00:55:14,540 --> 00:55:18,120
I don't think he's ever going to live down getting rid of the floor.

962
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,800
Like it turns out that was his thing.

963
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:28,360
LaFleur understood how to utilize Zach Wilson on the move and hide his weaknesses.

964
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,480
And you don't have that anymore.

965
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,520
You have a can you have, you know, Aaron Rodgers guy.

966
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,560
I think there's compelling evidence that Aaron Rodgers likes Nathaniel because he lets Aaron

967
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,240
Rogers do whatever Aaron Rodgers.

968
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:40,240
Oh, yeah.

969
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,000
Oh, and it's undisputable.

970
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,160
Yeah.

971
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,000
And you know, we're learning a lot.

972
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,840
You know, we have catered, we have catered our entire franchise.

973
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:56,880
We have mortgage the whole franchise to I'm trying to choose my words wisely, but I don't

974
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,480
know if I can do it.

975
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:05,520
A sociopath quarterback who, you know, maybe is holding the team hostage.

976
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:12,080
This is like, this is like growing up a fan of Kanye West's first three albums, knowing

977
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:17,520
what he did for the last 15 years of his life and saying, I want Kanye West to produce my

978
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,020
up.

979
00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:22,560
This is the only way I can visualize this to the fans.

980
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,720
Well, it was definitely they, they treated Rodgers, I feel like like a silver bullet,

981
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:33,600
not just that he was going to fix their offensive issues with largely the offensive cast that

982
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,720
they had the year before, including that putrid offensive line.

983
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:42,480
But they also put the development on Wilson of Wilson on him as well.

984
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,160
And the coaching staff kind of washed their hands of that situation.

985
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:50,320
They were like, well, if Zach can just watch Aaron for a season, it'll ultimately make

986
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,880
him a better QB somehow by osmosis.

987
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,400
Like osmosis, right?

988
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,400
You know, so and then they didn't get the opportunity to do that.

989
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,720
Nathaniel Hackett, I would agree with you.

990
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,840
The track record says kind of like an Adam Gase.

991
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,960
He had it good with a with a legendary QB at one point in his career.

992
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,080
And it's kind of been trading off of that ever since.

993
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,720
He is probably not the guy, right?

994
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:17,280
There was not the guy last season in hindsight.

995
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:24,120
But your team sold out so much to make Rodgers comfortable and happy and feel welcomed on

996
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,200
that squad.

997
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,200
They basically turned the keys over to the kingdom for a short term investment in the

998
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,760
hopes that it would accelerate the growth of was a very, very young, young offensive

999
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,440
and defensive core for the most part.

1000
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:43,280
And there's just been if you look at Roger's recent track record in Green Bay where he

1001
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:49,040
had some really young teams, the Christian Watson's the Romeo Douds, he really, really

1002
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:57,680
struggled with kind of mentoring and shepherding young players as they developed within season.

1003
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,800
Look at the difference this year between what happened with the Jets and a young roster

1004
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:07,120
and what happened just by subtracting Rodgers from that Green Bay team and adding in Jordan

1005
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,120
Love.

1006
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,760
They became a play, became a playoff unit.

1007
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,400
Do you like anyone in Green Bay missed him?

1008
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,400
Not at all.

1009
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,400
Not at all.

1010
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,800
Now, I mean, not at all.

1011
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,200
Now from a reputation standpoint, JJ and I have talked about this.

1012
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,520
Rogers seems to be well liked by his teammates for the most part.

1013
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,800
Actually, the Jets gave him some sort of in season award for being the most inspirational

1014
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,760
player on the team.

1015
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:37,480
So yes, despite how we perceive Rogers actions as you put it so well, I would say narcissistic

1016
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,200
and sociopathic.

1017
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,640
His teammates love playing for this dude, right?

1018
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,600
But it doesn't necessarily at this stage of Rogers career translate to results on the

1019
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:47,600
field.

1020
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,120
And I think when you look at the contrast between the Jets this year granted Rodgers

1021
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:56,560
in play, but where Green Bay was at this year simply by removing him from the equation

1022
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,320
and injecting a young up and coming QB into that formula.

1023
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,760
I mean, I think the proof is in the pudding that was largely the same team that Rogers

1024
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:11,040
had last year that love was able to schlep into the playoffs with some really great QB

1025
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,560
play from Thanksgiving on.

1026
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,080
So it still bears the question.

1027
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,040
This might be a good, good opportunity for us to segue here into some of your offseason

1028
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:25,840
thoughts like what to expect with Rogers because even if he is healthy at this stage

1029
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:32,040
of his career, is he capable of working with tolerating and showing enough patients with

1030
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,160
a young unit?

1031
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,240
Like I love Garrett Wilson.

1032
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,240
I think Garrett Wilson, I agree with you.

1033
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,720
That dude has the chops to be a top 10 QB.

1034
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,600
He improvises a lot of his routes sometimes though.

1035
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,760
And that's stuff that drives Rogers absolutely up a wall, right?

1036
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:45,760
He wants precision.

1037
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,880
He wants to know where he's throwing the ball.

1038
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,520
You guys are about to remake, I would assume your entire offensive line.

1039
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:57,480
And as JJ and I previewed in our free agency preview of the bills last week, the pickings

1040
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:03,440
are slim and free agency when it comes to offensive linemen, particularly guards.

1041
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,080
So you guys are going to be dipping into the draft.

1042
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,200
You're going to be dipping into some unproven players.

1043
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:15,040
Jared, let me ask you, regardless of health, is Aaron Rogers the lynchpin that's going

1044
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,280
to take what's going to be an even younger offensive unit and be able to get them over

1045
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:25,040
the hump and into the playoffs?

1046
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,040
Let me I'm I'm trying to offer a concise and swear free response.

1047
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,960
And here's where my brain is leading.

1048
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,840
We can put an explicit warning on the pot.

1049
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:33,840
It's fine.

1050
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:34,840
Just do it.

1051
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:35,840
Please, please.

1052
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:36,840
Jared's for the kids.

1053
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,160
Trying to we're trying to clean up our image here.

1054
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:50,040
If he isn't, it is over for everyone affiliated with coaching and managing that team.

1055
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,560
And it is also over for him.

1056
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:59,080
So hopefully his critical thinking skills have led him towards a hell of a steroid rep

1057
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:05,920
so that he can figure out a way to basically be the bionic man on the football field because

1058
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:13,360
to steal a freeze from Mark Marin podcasting guru, I don't think this is going to get

1059
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,480
any better.

1060
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,240
This is we are looking at a team.

1061
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,560
So you just you just articulated one of the biggest problems the Jets have.

1062
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:29,480
They put themselves in a problem where they have to rebuild exclusively with the draft

1063
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,120
and with free agency, but they keep up.

1064
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,120
And the free agency market is not very strong.

1065
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:41,280
No, I mean, and even if you want to add another receiver, can you believe how much money T.

1066
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,440
Higgins is going to command?

1067
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,240
Like T. Higgins is the number one free agent wide receiver and he only played half of last

1068
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,240
year.

1069
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,240
It's crazy.

1070
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,120
It's this wide receiver market is out of pocket.

1071
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,120
Yeah.

1072
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,080
So so the skill market is not good.

1073
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,840
The offensive line market is not good.

1074
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,880
And the Jets don't have a ton of draft stock.

1075
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,640
And even if they did, even if they had the room to do this, they don't have enough space

1076
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:03,800
to do it.

1077
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:11,880
So the Jets had put themselves in a situation where like no one obviously no one thought

1078
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,840
Aaron Rodgers was going to rupture his Achilles on the first snap or the first drive really

1079
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,200
and being a little too facetious, very close by saying for a snap, but completely after

1080
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,640
you're about three plays off.

1081
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,240
So you're pretty close.

1082
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:26,640
Recency bias, I guess.

1083
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,120
But so it has to work.

1084
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,400
What are the choice do you have?

1085
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,000
These are the ingredients you have you have handcuffed yourself to these ingredients.

1086
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,280
You handcuffed yourself to Rogers by handcuffing yourself to Rogers.

1087
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,320
You've handcuffed yourself to hack it.

1088
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:41,320
So long knows he's done.

1089
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:45,360
He knows that if the Jets are a playoff team this year, it's over for him.

1090
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,040
Um, Jets ownership.

1091
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,560
Woody never speaks about the team.

1092
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:55,040
And even Woody last week was like, oh, yeah, we need to be like way better.

1093
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,640
And this time we need to back up quarterback.

1094
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:57,640
Oh, yeah.

1095
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,440
You're going to ride Wilson and say he's not good enough, then go get a backup quarterback

1096
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,520
that is by the way, that's like the most New York thing ever and all of that.

1097
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:13,640
I think honestly, Woody has, you know, earned that your saving grace is that Jets management

1098
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:18,040
has drafted well the last two years in your early rounds.

1099
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,920
You're not in a great spot.

1100
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,200
You know, and what's the trade market for any of the people you want to get rid of?

1101
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:30,360
You just spent your whole season publicly bashing Zach Wilson.

1102
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,880
No, and mishandling that situation completely.

1103
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:41,640
So, so, so maybe just maybe you drove down his trade value by doing that.

1104
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:47,880
Um, so I think that for a million different reasons, the Jets are stuck.

1105
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,920
And do I personally think Aaron Rogers is the answer?

1106
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,240
Like no, mostly because I have eyes and ears.

1107
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:59,120
But you know, even if he is, they get one year of it.

1108
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,400
And this is gone after this year.

1109
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:06,680
The way this team looks right now, even the pros are gone unless they can figure out a

1110
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:12,680
magical way for people to want to take a hometown discount in the New York metropolitan area,

1111
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:13,680
which is not.

1112
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,600
Yeah, absolutely not.

1113
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:16,600
Absolutely not.

1114
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:17,600
All right.

1115
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,840
So let's that is the and that is the defining question, I think, for your off season.

1116
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:26,120
That's one that's not going to get answered until you see Rogers take the field and OTAs

1117
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:30,480
potentially training camp and then ultimately preseason.

1118
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,400
So let's set the stage here, right?

1119
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,960
So I think we both agree and you've alluded to it.

1120
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:40,680
The top two priorities for your Jets are wide receiver bolstering the depth behind Garrett

1121
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:46,320
Wilson and also just absolutely revamping that offensive line when it comes to cats,

1122
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,120
cap space and just for all of you listening at home, pulling all of these stats from spot

1123
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,120
track.

1124
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,720
I know a lot of people like over the cap or spot track.

1125
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,840
I'm a spot track guy because I love the tools that they have available to them to tinker

1126
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:58,840
around.

1127
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,480
I think it's a really nice interface.

1128
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:01,960
They are not a sponsor of this pot at all.

1129
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,560
I'm just a big fan of their their platform.

1130
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:10,480
So according to spot track right now, you guys are going into 2024 off season mode with about

1131
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:16,040
$7.5 million in cap space, which spot track thinks if you make the right moves, you can

1132
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:20,600
get to about 16, maybe 17 million with some ease.

1133
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:26,400
After that, you guys have to start making some moves, one of which is trading Zach Wilson,

1134
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:27,400
right?

1135
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:34,200
And right now the trade market for Wilson has one anonymous NFL personnel manager shared

1136
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,000
with I think it was Sports Illustrator, the athletic, when asked, what would you trade

1137
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,000
for Zach Wilson?

1138
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,680
They said he's not even worth a two week stay at the best Western.

1139
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:47,120
First off, I have stayed at several lovely best Westerns in my life.

1140
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,200
And just while we're talking about to shout out to La Quinta.

1141
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:51,200
Yeah, as well.

1142
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,200
I know, right?

1143
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:58,520
Like let's not let's not drag best Western into the muck with the Zach Wilson dialogue.

1144
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,200
All right, let's keep the discourse where it needs to be.

1145
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:02,640
All right.

1146
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:08,560
But it doesn't seem like there is a big trade market out there for his services, which push

1147
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:09,560
comes to shove.

1148
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:14,560
We'll see if there's one thing that I am sure about in the NFL is that there are a lot

1149
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:21,040
of egos and coaching rooms and position rooms, there's going to be a guy who's like, give

1150
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,920
him a seventh round pick because I can fix this kid, right?

1151
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:30,160
Maybe it's Atlanta, maybe it's Carolina hedging against the Bryce young thing, which would

1152
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,800
be absolutely crazy if they did that, right?

1153
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,720
Maybe it's Dallas because why not?

1154
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,240
We're collecting former former number one draft picks.

1155
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:38,240
They've got Trey Lance.

1156
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,680
They're going to extend back.

1157
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,480
Why not bring Zach Wilson into the fold?

1158
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:46,040
One is very likely going to take a flyer on this kid.

1159
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,040
Do I think?

1160
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,680
100% Do I think he's going to net a third or fourth

1161
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:50,680
run pick?

1162
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:51,680
No way.

1163
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,680
But a six or seventh rounder, maybe, right?

1164
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,480
Especially as we get to the end of the draft, maybe someone takes a flyer.

1165
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,240
So you guys trade him.

1166
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:04,000
That gives you another about 5.4 million in cap space.

1167
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,680
From there, you've got some tougher choices to make.

1168
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,400
You can release Lake in Tomlinson, which I think is a no brainer, but then you're really

1169
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,960
starting from scratch on your offensive line.

1170
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,640
But releasing him saves you about eight mil.

1171
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:20,560
You could also release your entire tight end room if you wanted to, to save about another

1172
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,080
nine million there.

1173
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,480
And then you've got a couple of extensions that you can do with Mosley and Reed.

1174
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:32,720
And then you could convert Williams based salary here to convert it to largely a cash

1175
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,400
signing bonus, right?

1176
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:39,880
And based on that, according to SpotTrack, again, you'll get somewhere between 16 and

1177
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,880
maybe $25 million in cap space.

1178
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:47,920
But if you pull on all those levers, you're also decimating a lot of units on your squad

1179
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,720
that are already decimated.

1180
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:50,720
Killing your future.

1181
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:51,720
Right.

1182
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,880
Pass catchers and offensive line.

1183
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,200
So let's work, let's work backwards.

1184
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,920
And I'm going to give you kind of like what I think needs to be solved in what order.

1185
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:01,040
Do it.

1186
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,760
I think the very first thing you do is you sign Reed.

1187
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,720
Reed has to be signed.

1188
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:13,120
Like maybe some of the most deceptive stat lines in football, because like literally every

1189
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,080
tackle he got was a set.

1190
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:19,840
So you have to, you have to resign him.

1191
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:27,680
I feel like Mosley is sort of becoming the like Bart Scott slash David Harris archetype

1192
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:35,760
of this team, like early thirties, just jacked linebacker that the team rallies around.

1193
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:41,600
To me, I think that you have to start with the two of them.

1194
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:48,960
I think that you spend most of your time as a management team pre draft, trying to figure

1195
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,800
out what wide receivers you can sign.

1196
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:58,440
And I think you want that done before the draft reason being again, maybe the Jets biggest

1197
01:08:58,440 --> 01:09:00,680
strength right now has been their drafting.

1198
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:06,760
So I think your game plan going into it is offensive linemen.

1199
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,240
We can draft a horse and we can teach them.

1200
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:13,000
We can't necessarily draft get the receiver thing right with the picks we have in the

1201
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,000
draft.

1202
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,320
Like what I love to see Marvin Harrison, Jr. fall to 10.

1203
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,840
Yeah, would give anything in the world for that.

1204
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:19,920
It's not happening.

1205
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,240
So, you know, you're not going to trade to get better than where you are right now.

1206
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,320
You don't have the really the utilities to do that.

1207
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:32,000
So you just start eyeballing free agent wide receivers.

1208
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:39,040
The free agent wide receivers I would target to me, they actually fall out of the top 10.

1209
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,880
And I think you sort of, you know where you are, you know where you need to get better,

1210
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,960
where the Jets could really get better is the slot.

1211
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:52,400
And I think that you look down into like the key slot receiver for the Lions, Josh Reynolds

1212
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:53,560
is available.

1213
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:58,920
The key slot receiver for the Vikings coincidentally in the same division KJ Osborne is available.

1214
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,160
Noah Brown is available from the Texans.

1215
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:06,600
And I think you're like, OK, maybe we just take a flyer on these guys short term contract

1216
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,120
and say, hey, you think you're worth more?

1217
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,120
Cool, play for it.

1218
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,160
We'll pay you like a mid level exception right now NBA style.

1219
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:13,440
Play for it and we'll see what happens.

1220
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:18,320
And I think there are some guys that would jump at the opportunity to, you know, make

1221
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,800
a little bit more money, but jump up the depth chart to potentially make more on the next

1222
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:23,800
contract.

1223
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,400
That's a good thought.

1224
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:26,400
That's the wide receivers.

1225
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,120
The Jets have to be targeting right now.

1226
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:34,880
Whatever you do not get in free agency with wide receivers, you do you do something at

1227
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,120
the end of the journey.

1228
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:40,480
But I'm not kidding when I say this.

1229
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:44,600
Maybe your first four rounds, especially with where you're locked in pick wise or offensive

1230
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:45,600
linemen.

1231
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:46,600
Fascinating.

1232
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:52,200
I think I think you have to have to have to have to rebuild your offensive line that

1233
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:53,200
way.

1234
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,040
By the way, Jets have done this before.

1235
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:59,040
Debricka Shoff Ferguson's like rookie year.

1236
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:03,440
Like so I'm trying to work with things that this franchise has done.

1237
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:09,120
You know, they had they had a veteran in Mangold and they still a terrifying line around right

1238
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,720
and it was depth by running.

1239
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:16,160
If you've learned one thing about Breeze Hall this past season, it's that you can check

1240
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:17,920
down and run with him.

1241
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,240
He can he can touch the ball 30 times a game and still have energy.

1242
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,240
So you know, you try to build it inside out.

1243
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,600
I think that's the only way you do this.

1244
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:33,160
And you know, could a member of the Jets front office say, you know, oh, well, we're really

1245
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,400
handcuffed here and there's not much we can do.

1246
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,840
So we got to buy low and we got a draft.

1247
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,640
Well, you know, could they use that as an excuse?

1248
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,840
Like, yeah, but you did it to yourself.

1249
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,280
So fix it.

1250
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,200
This is your shot at making it right.

1251
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,080
And this is probably the only shot you have.

1252
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,600
Is there any thought in resigning Conor McGovern?

1253
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,960
So he's one of your, I would say key unrestricted free agents this off season.

1254
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,200
You've got a lot on the defensive line you've got to address to.

1255
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,520
But on the offensive line, you've got Mackay back in, which I think now is a perfect time

1256
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,840
for you to part ways.

1257
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,360
And then you've got Conor McGovern.

1258
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:13,360
So is your strategy resigned Conor McGovern and then hope hope Elijah Veratucker comes

1259
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:18,400
back healthy next season and then build around those two guys?

1260
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:19,920
It depends.

1261
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:25,560
And I honestly don't know the validity of this answer only because I'm not in the room.

1262
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:30,360
But to me, for the money that he's going to command, he better be the best leader ever.

1263
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:35,760
Like like and I think that if if yes, then yes.

1264
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,680
And if no, then no.

1265
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:43,560
Because again, there's so many big problems.

1266
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:48,920
I mean, you just don't have a recipe for success in general, if your offensive line is not

1267
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:53,440
solid, the middle of the offensive line is important.

1268
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:57,880
But the edges of the New York Jets offensive line is so bad.

1269
01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:59,800
Your tackle play was really bad this year.

1270
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:06,560
I mean, for context, you guys were 30th and past block win rate, 29th and run block win

1271
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:12,280
rate, which makes Hall season all the more remarkable given how little chance he had at

1272
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:13,880
the line of scrimmage.

1273
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:19,880
Yeah, Brie Brie Hall is basically basically like a mythological figure at running back.

1274
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,280
So like, I mean, it's the most jacked up I've been about the Jets running game probably

1275
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,520
since Curtis Martin.

1276
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:31,080
Um, but it mean it's such a glaring problem that.

1277
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,840
You know, why don't we look at it this way again?

1278
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,080
They're not going to go from worst in the league to best.

1279
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,120
They're going to go in one season, they will be capable of going from worse than the league

1280
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:43,280
to average.

1281
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,640
That is what the kind of dictates right now.

1282
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,080
And that's what their picks kind of dictate right now.

1283
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:53,400
The Jets need to decide what's better for us.

1284
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:57,760
Average by the mean or average by the median.

1285
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:04,640
And you know, if it's if the Jets are confident that they can scheme and plug some holes by

1286
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:09,480
being average by the median, then I think you're resign some key guys.

1287
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:17,080
It's hard though, like their play their play calling is so pedestrian and not creative.

1288
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,600
And you know, most teams know whether or not they're going to run or pass before they do

1289
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,200
it and they only fake punt when the game is over.

1290
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:29,200
So it's hard to know what they're going to do.

1291
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,840
And it's easier to just kind of predict that it's going to continue to be a gigantic.

1292
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:39,120
I know, I know, but I feel like re-signing a guy like McGovern.

1293
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:43,520
Even bringing a guy back like we'll talk about the defense of side in a minute.

1294
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:48,320
Someone like Bryce Huff, who was a real I mean, real a budding star for you guys this year.

1295
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,120
I just feel like you need a you need some veteran leadership in the room.

1296
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,760
Mosley extending Mosley makes sense there too.

1297
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:58,840
You just need some veteran leadership in the room that isn't only Aaron Rodgers.

1298
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,440
If you guys are going to get through the season.

1299
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:07,480
Let me add also, I misspoke before and I want to I want to fix this for any, you know, two

1300
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:11,240
or three Jets fans that are particularly listening right now.

1301
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:12,440
Huff is the one I want re-signed.

1302
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:13,440
Right.

1303
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:15,120
He is the one that only gets tackles that are sacks.

1304
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:16,480
I said, Reed, that was an accident.

1305
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:17,480
Yeah, yeah.

1306
01:15:17,480 --> 01:15:21,520
So I think everything everything builds on Huff and Mosley right now.

1307
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,840
That's kind of where where I am.

1308
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:30,360
And leadership is important and we learned that and we're about to see how much leadership

1309
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:34,800
Aaron Rodgers actually brings because God knows that when he's not playing, it's not

1310
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:35,800
alive.

1311
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,720
And that that ESPN article by I think it was Diana Rossini.

1312
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,920
Nothing in there was like revelatory about how things were operated.

1313
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:49,760
Basically, the Jets sold out to make an empire in New York unto Aaron Rodgers.

1314
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,560
He got to bring in his favorite play caller.

1315
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:56,400
He got to bring in his favorite aging wide receiver weapons and all this other kind of

1316
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:57,400
stuff.

1317
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,240
They basically let him play head coach and GM all at the same time.

1318
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:07,200
Lola was very deferential to Rodgers, if you believe that article as well, and really thinks

1319
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:11,080
his future as a head coach in New York is tied to this guy.

1320
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:16,760
And Rodgers loves that level of control, I think, over the staff and over the organization.

1321
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:22,400
So it's my God, dude, it is you guys are in if you guys win next season.

1322
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,400
Like winning is the best deodorant, right?

1323
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,440
Like some of these young pieces that you draft come together and things like that.

1324
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:32,640
And if you guys are winning, none of this is going to matter.

1325
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:38,280
But if you guys lose and you start to lose badly again with Rodgers, who is supposed

1326
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:43,400
to be the savior coming back into the fold, dude, that New York media market is going

1327
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,640
to have a hate is going to have a field day.

1328
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:50,720
I feel like it'll be between you guys and the Dallas Cowboys for how many headlines

1329
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,160
you are getting on ESPN.

1330
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,520
I think it's just going to be it could be insufferable for you guys of next year doesn't

1331
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,000
go well.

1332
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,880
So I think we both agree on the offensive side, fix the wide receiver room, add some

1333
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:02,880
depth.

1334
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,160
I like the idea of bringing out a veteran slot.

1335
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:10,520
And then because this draft is so deep this year with wide receivers, maybe using that

1336
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:15,520
top 10 pick on one of the elite X guys that you've got here in the draft.

1337
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,120
But speed guys, speed kills.

1338
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:19,120
Speed, speed.

1339
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,760
But you know, Jay-Jay and I talk about this all the time too.

1340
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:26,080
Like Ty Quant Horton, I think he's on New England, right?

1341
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,280
Speed guy can't run around.

1342
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,840
Horrible body positioning does not win at the point of catch, right?

1343
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,520
You need someone who's going to do all win in all four phases.

1344
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,480
Great route running and release.

1345
01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:41,680
Someone who is yes fast because speed does matter, but someone who can also win at the

1346
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:45,880
point of catch with their hands and ball skills, but also their body positioning.

1347
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:50,560
And there's so many guys in the draft that'll be attainable for you all there.

1348
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,360
It's going to be so interesting to see because most mocks right now have you guys going offensive

1349
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:59,880
line for the reason we talked about that the free agent market is just not budding with

1350
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:04,400
a lot of plug and play guys right now on the offensive line.

1351
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:09,240
So it's more likely than not, you guys end up going offensive tackle, I would think with

1352
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:10,240
your number 10 pick.

1353
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:15,760
But then you've got a third round pick at 72, two fourth round picks at 111 and 113.

1354
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:20,200
And then you're getting into the six, one single six round pick and two seventh round

1355
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:21,200
picks as well.

1356
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:26,080
Because don't have a second round because of the trade for Rogers this past year.

1357
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:32,160
So the more I think about it, I know man, the more I think about it, that top 10 pick

1358
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:36,440
very likely going to an offensive line and someone like Joe Alt from Notre Dame or someone

1359
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:37,700
of that ilk, right?

1360
01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:39,320
How would you feel about that?

1361
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:45,600
If you guys deferred the wide receiver conversation to the third round in the draft this year?

1362
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,640
I'm fine with it.

1363
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:54,400
Especially I mean, the NFL is riding a train where like the best slot receivers are basically

1364
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,280
coming out of like six and below.

1365
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,640
So Miko Collins tanked out right there you go.

1366
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:01,640
Yep.

1367
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:09,560
So like, I mean, I just there I have so many I can't answer any question about the jets

1368
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:13,360
directly because of the horrible situation they've put them in.

1369
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:18,400
So I'm going to this is actually this is the best way I can both answer your question

1370
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:23,560
and maybe articulate like articulately summarize my entire parents on this podcast.

1371
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,360
Nice, which is and here we go.

1372
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,240
We're going to really try for it here.

1373
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:37,200
The jets sold themselves to have a good 2023.

1374
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,160
And it went wrong.

1375
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:44,680
And now they are living with the consequences of what they sold for it.

1376
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:51,720
They are the 2008 2009 Boston Celtics minus the NBA championship.

1377
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,920
I like the basketball comms are bringing to the table.

1378
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:01,120
I mean, it's it's it that's this that's where I swim.

1379
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,120
That's the pool I swim in the most.

1380
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:10,360
But they are like any other team, any other team that did what the jets did to have the

1381
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:16,000
season they just had has way more to show for them.

1382
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,200
The jet state.

1383
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:21,960
So we are kind of looking at one of two trajectories here.

1384
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:26,320
I think to your point, it's a foregone conclusion that the draft is going to be heavy online

1385
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,320
and it needs to be.

1386
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,720
Worry about receivers when you can get them either free agency or the end of the draft.

1387
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:37,820
If it is not remotely better and we're going to know, by the way, we're going to know by

1388
01:20:37,820 --> 01:20:38,820
like week two.

1389
01:20:38,820 --> 01:20:44,920
It will be a lot easier than this past season for me and my emotions, especially.

1390
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:50,160
They're either going to the AFC championship and everyone gets to live another day.

1391
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:57,680
Or it is one of the hardest franchise resets that the NFL has seen in decades and it's

1392
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,640
coming quickly.

1393
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:04,920
It's like watching it's a deer and the headlights are strong, but the car is like a hundred yards

1394
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,280
away and it's just slow motion for the next eight months.

1395
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:09,280
That's what this is.

1396
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:10,280
Yeah.

1397
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:14,400
Schedules don't come out till May, but I feel like if you guys start one in three, two and

1398
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:19,320
four, you know, one in six, something like that, I feel like Salah's probably gone midseason

1399
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,360
and you guys are going to start to hit the reset button right away.

1400
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,520
Jared, man, those were great thoughts.

1401
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:30,440
So I want to summarize here where you're at of the current UF, unrestricted free agents

1402
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:31,640
that you guys have.

1403
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:38,840
You're prioritizing Bryce Huff, which I think makes a lot of sense, extending Moseley, resigning

1404
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:44,200
McGovern, give you some of that veteran core back into the clubhouse and then just draft

1405
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:49,600
your faces off after that, right?

1406
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:50,600
Draft and pray.

1407
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:51,600
Draft and pray.

1408
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:52,800
That's what the draft usually is.

1409
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,240
So excellent, man.

1410
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:55,240
Excellent.

1411
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:59,920
You want to offer any final thoughts here on your team before we wrap up?

1412
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:00,920
Yeah.

1413
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:01,920
Yeah.

1414
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,000
Jets fans.

1415
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,800
I have, I have unfairly ridden you for a very long time.

1416
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,320
It was hard for me, much like kind of I'm a self-loathing Jew from Long Island, New

1417
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:13,320
York.

1418
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:14,320
I'm a self-loathing Jets fan.

1419
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,920
I think that our candor towards others is not good most of the time.

1420
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:25,280
I think that your negativity and pessimism to start most seasons is for the most part

1421
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,840
unwarranted.

1422
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:34,760
Not last year, everything, everything that anyone in the world has heard a Jets fan say

1423
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:39,280
about last year's team is true.

1424
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:44,080
And I just want to say it took me a long time to get there.

1425
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:51,720
I get I'm going, I'm going to elect to live my life void of that level of cynicism because

1426
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,360
I want my marriage to flourish.

1427
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:59,360
And for that reason and that reason alone, I'm not going to join you in the depths, but

1428
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,840
I just want you to know that I respect it.

1429
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,280
You deserve, you have earned whatever it is you have to say.

1430
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:06,840
Jets fan, you deserve it.

1431
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,000
I am here with you.

1432
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:15,400
And if you want a reprieve from just perpetual disappointment, just remember there are other

1433
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:16,960
teams out there.

1434
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,040
You can do, you can watch them, you can get your fix.

1435
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:21,040
It's really therapeutic.

1436
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,320
You should try it.

1437
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,360
It's therapeutic to watch another team that is like competent at football.

1438
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:27,360
Oh my God.

1439
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:28,840
I love it, Jared.

1440
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,880
Wonderful summary and nice shout out for your Jets fans.

1441
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:36,040
Before we before we sign off here, you want to plug any of your socials, anything like

1442
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,120
that for the listeners at home?

1443
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:40,120
Sure.

1444
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:45,320
I am at Jared, the coach on every social media platform.

1445
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:49,360
It's pretty insufferable right now because I'm promoting a passion project, which is a

1446
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:50,720
book about the recruiting process.

1447
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:51,720
I'm really excited about it.

1448
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,840
Yeah, follow me at Jared, the coach.

1449
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:59,120
If you're a therapist, you might, I feel like that's going to be the targeting I'm generated

1450
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:00,120
after the last 40 minutes.

1451
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,000
It's just going to be people reaching out to me.

1452
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,000
Are you okay?

1453
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:07,240
Please reach out anytime at Jared, the coach.

1454
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:08,240
Appreciate you having me on.

1455
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,240
Excellent, Jared.

1456
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:10,960
Thank you very much for being with us today.

1457
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,440
And for all of you listening at home, thank you for listening as well.

1458
01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:16,640
Like, share and subscribe wherever you get your podcast.

1459
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:17,640
Google Apple Spotify.

1460
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:18,640
And as always, go boys.

1461
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:25,640
I'm Jared, and I'll see you guys next time.

1462
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:25,640
Bye.