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Alright, welcome back to the Buffalo Bread podcast.

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We are here in week 13.

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The Buffalo Bills are on a bop.

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This week has been again somewhat newsworthy.

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It seems like the hits just keep on coming.

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They lost in an absolute crusher to the Philadelphia Eagles in overtime and dropped to 6-6 on

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the season.

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The Football Power Index still has them like third best in the league, but they're the

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only team at 500 that's outside of like 15th in the league.

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So it's kind of crazy that they have such a poor record but are still considered metrics

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wise, measurements wise, and even in some cases eyeballs wise, one of the best teams

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in the league.

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They of course lost to the Philadelphia Eagles who improved to 10-1 on the season.

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And it was a lot of things.

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I think that probably Mosta Bills Mafia is really mad at Sean McDermott again.

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Mosta Bills Mafia is super jacked to see Josh Allen back to his passionate kind of murderers

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row when it's dark and bleak.

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You want that guy in your corner mode because he was crushing it.

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Probably the best player in the NFL on the field for that week.

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And we really like to see that.

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How are you feeling about this, Dan?

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And where do we want to go with a podcast in the by?

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I'm feeling like I'm experiencing deja vu.

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And I'd love to start with the Philly game and then talk about a couple of things I know

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you and I have been texting about on this bill's biowek is potential storylines for

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this unit.

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But I think it makes sense to start with the game because it sets up the bills in a place

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where they are now six and six currently.

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And they listen, they basically need to win out.

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If they win their next five games and finish the season 11 and six, they have a 97% chance

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of making the playoffs after that 10 and six is anywhere between 60 and 40%, depending

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on how the rest of the AFC goes.

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So if you want to, and this is a horrible sports cliche because it makes no sense.

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But if you're a bills fan, you want them to control their own destiny, they absolutely

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have to win out at this point.

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And it is a situation they have squarely JJ put themselves in with their poor conference

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win loss record in the AFC, their poor division when lost record point differential seems

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to be the only thing about this team that is in a positive margin for them when it comes

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to playoff calculations because there's still plus one oh one and margin of victory over

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over their opponents, which is insane to think about for a six and six team.

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A lot of where the bills are at has to do with luck in not falling their way.

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The injury bug, of course, as we know, biting them on on defense.

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But it's also been, I think, a cascading effect of that and what feels like JJ at a

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death by 1000 paper cuts every week.

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An interception here on untimely fumble here, a drop touchdown pass here, a stalled a stalled

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out series or two here.

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These bills just seem to not be able to overcome not large factor circumstances that are in

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large factor circumstances that are keeping them from winning because they're still not

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getting blown out.

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But it is the these one score close games that we have seen over and over again from

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this unit where they continue to fail things continue to fail to fall their way, but they

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also continue to fail to execute in the little ways that you need to win those games.

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Sean McDermott since 2020 JJ is 15 and 16 in in one score games.

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This season, this team, I believe is two and four in one score games.

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This was a problem for the 2021 unit as well.

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And this was a problem for the first few games of the 2022 season as well.

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One score wins are one of those metrics where everybody eventually regresses back to the

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main.

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So teams that were really good at it one year, they're not going to be so good at the next

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year and vice versa.

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But this JJ seems to be a consistent struggle for the bills to get out of their own way

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in these one score games.

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Some of it is player execution.

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But I think what bills Mafia is more or less focused on right now is the level of deja vu

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they experienced in watching that Philly game.

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Another met another amazing performance from Josh Allen and then maddening decisions by

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the head coach in the fourth quarter and overtime from a play calling and game management standpoint

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that I'm sure a lot of fans feel like cost them the game.

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And as I was watching this game JJ, I kind of transported me back to 2021, the 2021 Tampa

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Bay game against the Tom Brady led Buccaneers.

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I did a side by side because I was pretty confident after the Philly game that this was a marker

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in history that was worth comparing.

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So here JJ is the side by side comparison of the 2021 Tampa game, the Philly 2023 game,

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and why I feel like similar to that year in 21, this Philly game could be a jumping off

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point for the bills to finish the season on her run.

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So that 2021 Tampa Bay game, also an overtime game against a strong NFC opponent for the

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bills, the bills lose that game in OT 33 27 to drop to seven and six.

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Josh Allen, our Lord and savior has 417 total yards in that game, 309 passing 108 rushing

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and three total TDs to one INT.

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Flash forward two years later to the Philly game 37 34 bills lose an OT not dropping

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to seven and six, they're dropping to six and six 2021 for 17 total yards for for Allen

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in 2023 for 20 total yards 339 passing 81 rushing for total TDs one INT and JJ Stefan

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digs in both of those games 74 total yards receiving on seven receptions in 2021 and six

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receptions in 2023.

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I feel like there is some sort of karmic universal quotient at work for us here.

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And I am hoping that that karmic bend in the universe goes in favor of the bills like it

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did in 2021, because after that Tampa Bay loss, which everyone said was the turning point

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of their season, they figured out how to unleash Josh Allen, the the reins had kind of come

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off the offense at that point, and they were really finding their groove.

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They went on to win out and finish 11 and six by beating Carolina, New England, and

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their revenge game for that ridiculous weather game in Buffalo.

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That funky Atlanta game against Matt Ryan, where you and I were both, I think Josh Allen

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turned it over four times in that game.

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And the bills still won.

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They won a low scoring affair with Josh Allen playing probably his worst game of the season.

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Absolutely.

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But defense kind of pulled it out because yeah, it was matter.

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And then they finished up with a win against the Jets.

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So I am hoping JJ that similarly to 2021, this Buffalo bills 2023 team, though there

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are some key differences can also somehow find this devastating Philly loss is a way

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to buoy them into a playoff run because they're going to need it.

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They're going to need another 11 and six record, which you want to get into the playoffs.

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And you and I both said at the beginning of the season, the ceiling of this team felt

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like 11 wins.

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So they're going to have to hit that ceiling this year.

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Well, and I think that, you know, it's the corollaries are really, you know, the comparison

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is so interesting.

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And I think that most people felt that way too is like, like I said before, this is a,

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you know, for most of Bill's mafia, losing an overtime to Philly was a weirdly buoyant

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performance in that it was absolutely heart wrenching.

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But also you feel like this, this is a team, the team I saw in the field against the, arguably

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the best team in the entire NFL shut them down on shut down the Philly offense in the

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entire first half.

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Like they were pitiful, they turn on the second half, they had great, you know, second half

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adjustments.

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And that's something we can talk about a little bit when we get into the kind of the

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tournament conversation is Philly figured out a way to attack us and was successful in

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it.

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And the bills did not kind of have a counter punch on defense for that.

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And I think that's going to be something that down the stretch is dangerous.

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But back to my prayer point, I think that most everybody just saw that game and were

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like, Oh my gosh, Josh Allen running all over the yard, throwing and running.

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For touch for multiple touchdowns with his arm and legs.

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Players really stepping up.

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And even though there were some costly drops, there were some really costly penalties and

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different things, things, non calls that I think that everyone's pissed off about and

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should be because the officiating was absolute, absolute correct.

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The worst.

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It was the worst I've seen in any game.

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And like, you feel like, you know, it's sometimes like, Oh my, am I just a Homer?

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Is this a Homer take?

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But then you watch other games with similar plays happening and the officiating is better.

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And it's just like, how, how is this like, I'm pretty sure that Darius Darius sleigh was

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basically passenger fare.

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He was he was committing passenger fare every single snap.

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And I don't think he got called one time, but in clear, crucial downs and distances.

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He was holding sure he tackled sure field before the ball got there.

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He was like grabbing and pulling on stuff on Dick's Jersey to keep him away from the

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wall.

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And it was just like, I've been called for anything.

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And I think he's kind of a trash player.

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He was doing his best sauce gardener.

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That was just gonna say that like, I was gonna say like, step on your joke.

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No, it's all good.

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Because he's kind of a trash player who had the benefit of the doubt who's only like real

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skill in the league is that he doesn't get penalized for things that are clear penalties

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like sauce gardener.

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Um, but yeah, I was like, ah, it was so frustrating.

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But I think I came out of the game and I like, I was like, you know what, I sort of shrugged.

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I was like, they can lose this one and they can lose the Cowboys game and win the rest.

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And that's like a coin flip, right?

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It's a 50 50 chance.

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I kind of like the bills odds, even if they win an earth, they lose another game.

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And actually doesn't really matter which game they lose as long as they win four of their

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last five.

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Um, because I do see, I think the Steelers, the Steelers are they're exactly the opposite

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of the bills.

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They're a team that has underperformed in every metric measure, but their record makes it

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look like they're better than they are.

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They are this year's Minnesota Vikings.

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Right.

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Yeah, their record is way better than the actual team's performance.

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And that has to kind of that has to kind of write itself a little bit there.

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They're not going to continue to get super lucky with things just bouncing their way,

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um, to resolve the wind.

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So I feel like they'll come back down to earth a little bit.

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The Browns are playing Joe Flacco this week.

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They are playing Joe Flacco this week.

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I think the Browns are starting Joe Flacco, which should be an absolute shit show and

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hopefully helps them, you know, catch an L. Um, the Colts, Colts seem all right.

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I'm surprised by, you know, they're overachieving at this point and that's nice for them.

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Um, but those three teams are in the five, six, seven of the playoff picture right now.

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But I think they all have the capacity to lose at least two more games and bring them

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even with the bills.

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And then, you know, maybe even three games.

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And so between the Steelers Browns, Colts, Texans, Broncos, there's opportunities for

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the bills to gain ground on all these teams, even with a loss.

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I think that it's unlikely that, um, you know, the Texans Broncos and Colts all win out.

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Uh, and, and it's likely they'll drop one, not two, because they also play each other

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in a lot of situations.

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There's a lot of kind of the, you know, some of these teams are going to be stepping on

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each other in the AFC and the bills have a chance to, to clean it up.

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So, um, yeah, I mean, that's kind of where I feel the Philly game.

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I was really frustrated.

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The fact that they did not call a clear horse collar and then instead called an intentional

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grounding, um, the fact that on multiple crucial critical plays, um, Darius lay was committing

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clear passer interference and was not called.

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And then, you know, on top of that, there were some tiki-tak penalties that they called

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on the bills that either sustained Philly drives on offense or shut down bills drives

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on offense when they were, you know, had the ball.

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And it's just like, you never like a situation where you have to beat the team and the refs.

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And that was clear what they had to do.

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They would have, if they were going to come away with a win against Philly at home error

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in Philly, rather.

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So here we are, we're at the buy.

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We're going to see the only thing that I, that I worry about a little bit is, is this

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team going to have the juice when they come out of a box in a week away, um, to kind of

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bring that energy and momentum to Kansas.

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Think about that.

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Uh, I think that is squarely on the shoulders of McDermott to get them there.

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This is a team that has played reasonably well in McDermott's career coming off the

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buy six.

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But never on the road after the buy.

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Correct.

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And they're going on the road to Kansas City, which that team, listen, man, we said at the

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beginning of the year, I know Patrick Mahomes does Patrick Mahomes like things, but with

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that wide receiving core, this feels like a year where someone is poised to knock off

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Kansas City.

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And this is the most frustrating piece to me because you ran through all of those scenarios

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with the Browns and with the Steelers and with the Texans and, and what that might mean

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for the bills playoff odds and the Colts can't forget about the Colts, the Gardner men's

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shoe led Colts.

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We are better, better than all of those teams.

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100%.

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And the fact that we have put ourselves in a situation where we need help from those

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inferior rosters and those inferior clubs to get to the to get to the playoffs this

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season is the most frustrating piece by far for me of where things stand at the buy right

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now.

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And you know, you encapsulated that Philly game perfectly because yes, I think the officiating

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was bad and points were left off the board as a result of that for the bills.

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But if Tyler Bass makes two field goals or even one field goal and regulation of the

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two that he missed, maybe we're talking about a different game.

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If James Cook reels in that wide open touchdown pass that that Alan laid so perfectly to his

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hands and stride, we're probably having a different conversation.

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It's always a confluence of the most adversity for the Buffalo Bills game in and game out.

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It's not just the refs one game, and then the bills making mistakes another game.

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It's all of it, all at once, all the time, every game.

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It's the team not executing, it's the officials not calling a good game.

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It's McDermott not coaching a good game.

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We are at a place where if Josh doesn't play a perfect game, we are a unit that doesn't

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have a chance right now with the way that we are performing, but also the way that the

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flow of the game seems to be coming at us.

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So I think yes, I think the bills have a chance.

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And I think coming out of the buy is squarely on the shoulders of McDermott to find a way

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to get this team juiced up.

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Here's what is not happening.

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This team has not quit on the field on McDermott.

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That defense is undermanned, and they are balling out as much as they can.

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That second half against Philly to me felt inevitable.

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I think they made some really good adjustments.

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And McDermott just did not have the personnel levers to pull to to scheme up something to

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stop them.

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So I so I think yes, coming out of the buy that is on McDermott.

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And I think McDermott can get them there because this team overall is still playing hard.

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They're playing as hard as they can on the field.

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You know, JJ coming out of the buy, I was also kind of hoping that we might hear that

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McDermott might be turning over defensive play calling to Bobby Babbage.

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Because I think one of the things and you know, this is kind of skipping ahead to where

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we want to be in the segment.

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But I think one of the things that could hurt the bills coming out of the buy is the continued

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regression that we've seen from McDermott as a head coach this year.

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And there is no doubt he can get guys to play for him.

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But we have talked about this from a statistical measure and from like eyeball test measure.

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McDermott is flubbing it more than he has before and use of timeouts.

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End of game management situations.

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You have 20 seconds left on the clock against Philly and a timeout and Josh Allen has gone

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for 400 total yards.

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I would take the 20 I would take 20 seconds.

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Not to mention also you're the victim of 13 seconds.

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You know it can be basically broadcasting to the world that you think that Patrick Mahomes

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is a better quarterback than your quarterback is what you're saying by kneeling it out

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with 20 seconds and a timeout.

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You have more time and a timeout.

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Even by using a timeout to ice the kicker which is still like I would love to dive deep

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into the statistics and find out if that has ever worked in the NFL or like how would you

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know right there's no way to know if a kicker is going to hit the kick before they line

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up for a second after your timeout or not like yeah the stats are muddled on freezing

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the kicker.

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It's it will not only they're muddled they're impossible it's impossible to measure whether

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or not that's effective.

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Unless unless we look at situations where the timeout is called a second before the snap

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happens the snap action happens and the kicks actually goes and then we compare the pre you

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know timeout result to the post timeout freeze result.

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That's the only way that you can actually figure out if it would be effective and just as like

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a casual watcher of football feel like the times I've seen that kickers might you know

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I'm just thinking of a few games that were decided like that the kicker missed the field

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goal when the should know the snap happened but the timeout precluded and then made the

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the post timeout you know kick like I just remember seeing that a hundred times in my

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life and be like it didn't work.

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Oh yeah and to me there's a practice kick.

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There's a different calculus the McDermott needs to make there and and I just I have never

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seen McDermott do this.

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Like if I'm McDermott and I've got Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs, Mitch Morse on the sideline.

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I know Philly.

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I know Philly is going to go for that field goal and I am going to assume that they're

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going to make it even though it's a 59 yarder.

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I am saving that timeout and while Philly is rushing onto the field to try to kick a

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hurried field goal I am pulling in my team captains Josh Diggs Morse Davis and I'm saying

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they aft up because we have two timeouts 20 seconds and you guys that kick goes through

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you guys we're not taking it to OT you guys are going to go out and win that game for

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us get down the field just like in Detroit last year.

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Absolutely.

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Down the field in like 14 seconds and kick this field goal we're going to walk home like

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that's it.

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That's it.

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That's how this is going to go right but he he doesn't do coaches scared he coaches

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to not lose and that and this is the thing right like I think you're the question you

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pose like will this team get up to play.

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Absolutely I think the team will get up to play.

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My larger concern is will our coach be ready to take us through a very tough challenging

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and adverse stretch that this team is going to be facing.

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He feels he listen end of game situations have always been questionable with McDermott

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this year he feels spread so thin because of these defensive play calling responsibilities

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that he has chosen to take on.

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I really do feel like at this point where we're at the question isn't about the guys

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on the roster because I think they're going to ride or die no matter what especially those

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guys on defense they know and we'll talk about this they know a lot of them are not coming

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back next season they know this is the last ride.

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My question really is about the head coach and does he have the the bandwidth to get

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this team through this stretch while still taking on these intense play calling responsibilities

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again the thing that I have wanted to see come out of the by is that Bobby Babbage is

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our our play caller he's a young up and coming defensive mind he has done a great job as our

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linebacker coach look at the look at Bernard look at the development of Milano like Babbage

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around the league is Harold is one of these really young kind of savant defensive minds

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the next future head coach of someone's franchise and and I just feel like we took a shot on

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Brady a young play caller on offense we should be doing the same on defense to free up McDermott

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to really shore up where he has been falling short this season and I doubt it's going to

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happen but that's the big thing I don't think it's the guys on the roster I think it's going

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to be the coach.

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Yeah absolutely and I think that I'm with you I really worry about it because I think

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that you know that's that's the part that you know the the voices in Bill's mafia and

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around the league that say you know why would you ever move on from a you know from a successful

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coach are starting to you know those ones are starting to get quieter and the voice

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is saying he's a coach who can do great things but cannot do the you know the the top of the

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mountain things he cannot get them over the hump he cannot do this again he's a shot

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in the high mario he's a he's a coach that does well at making you know teams and cultures

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and building a good locker room and having a good program that's strong and kind of precise

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but then at the clutch moments is the kind of captain that you need who's going to you

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know bring your team through who's going to kick an onside kickoff in the Super Bowl to

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start the second half unexpected by everyone to win one like Sean Payton and that's that's

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the thing right now is like I think that initially I was kind of laughing at the Broncos situation

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and Sean Payton he's actually turned a middling roster into a competitive team they've been

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on a heater and I think that's the reflection of a coach who's willing to kind of take some

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chances and pull some levers and Sean McDermott just I don't know I don't know man I'm I know

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I've been one of the ones who's afraid of you know do we you know do we walk away from

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Sean Dermott because I can promise you it can be so much worse like that's my biggest reservation

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and of course I want it to be better but but you know what's what's stopping him he always talks

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about after games like this he's always like oh it comes back to me I have to be better but then

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we see time and time and time again that he doesn't learn from his mistakes he doesn't get more

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aggressive he continues to coach scared he gave up I think it was like six or seven consecutive

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completions to the sidelines in the fourth quarter to the Eagles as the thing you know you can't

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yes and well and that's the thing is like he like it's almost like he takes the wrong lesson from

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close losses like the lesson apparently he learned from 13 seconds is that you can't leave the middle

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of the field open because they can get up and spike it too fast and like they're gonna move you

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know they're gonna beat you in the middle so now he like covers the middle and leaves the sidelines

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on you know he uses inside leverage on the on his outside covers and they just basically took

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everything outside short um and moved it down and like every snap the Eagles were able to get their

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their player with the ball to the sideline and like that's just like what are you doing like

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clearly if you're this brilliant defensive coordinator how are you do how are you letting

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them basically move the ball down the field in small chunks always with the sideline never taking

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more than seven or eight seconds per snap well it was senseless too because he was also bringing

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five or six guys in the pass rush so he had on the outside our dbs giving an insane cushion on the

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sidelines while also bringing pressure with five or six up the middle it was it was easy for her

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just it was easy for her it was just throwing underneath throwing to the open guy underneath

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and we were forcing him to do it and he was taking what we gave him it was he's taken it was insane

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it was the opposite of how well scheme that first half was right how poorly that that fourth quarter

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was yeah and that's exactly it is like he came up like I will never say that he's not a good coach

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as a leader of men and CEO of a football operation I think he's an excellent coach at that I think he's

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a very very good defensive coordinator and defensive play caller for the most part he came up with an

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excellent scheme to completely stifle one of the best offenses in the league for a half

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he wasn't able to kind of have a counter punch when they came with a different plan and I think

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that that was largely because of his personnel von Miller was getting roasted around the edge

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and daondre swift was running the ball um show so was a japan as a on a few snaps like they were

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basically like they switched up their their run design and they started hitting the bills where

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it hurts and he didn't have the personnel to fix it and so I get that I kind of give him a pass on

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that but the thing that bothers me the most about Sean McDermott is that he is he kind of sticks on

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the thing that he thinks is the answer and he's unwilling he's stubborn that's my problem okay

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I've summed it all up into one thing Sean McDermott is stubborn he is stubborn that freezing the

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kicker works he's stubborn that playing for overtime is a strategy he's stubborn that you know

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giving up the touchdown is the worst thing that can happen so you should trade you know short

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yardage for for time those are things that are like characteristics of the way he calls games

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that he's stubborn about and it's almost like no matter how many times he's taught the lesson in

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these close losses that doesn't work he'll just continue going back to it yeah so JJ I think it

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begs the question if the bills are gonna go on a run what are some of the things that we need to say

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see maybe change with this team because I'm I'm not confident that it's gonna be leaning in to

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McDermott's ability to learn from his mistakes because you're right while he says it ad nauseam

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at the end of every every devastating bills loss we don't only see the same thing repeated we see

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it regressed and we see it get worse from week to week and again I think this season it is squarely

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because of the extra responsibilities that he has taken on and if I were him I would give those up

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but there are some there are some things that are going well for this team that I think

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could help propel them to a play out to a playoff berth but then there are also things and I would

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say McDermott is one of those things that could keep them from potentially reaching those heights

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so JJ why don't we dive into it there so this Philly game has put us in a place where we are

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now 500 heading into the bi-week and then going on a murderous row stretch we now have Kansas City

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we have Dallas we have the LA the LA Chargers which they always play on the dumbest games I'm

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going to tell you right now the Philly bills game candidate for game of the year the bills

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Chargers game is likely going to be a candidate for dumbest game of the year because Staley and

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McDermott are going to try to outdome each other that entire freaking game then we have

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new we've got New England in the mix there and then of course we finish up in Miami where that

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game may mean nothing to them other than potential seeding or the the chance to knock the bills out

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so they don't have to face them again in the postseason so so lots at stake and it's definitely

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a tougher schedule in that 2021 final stretch run was but JJ if the bills are going to make the

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playoffs here what are some of the reasons that you think they'll be able to go on a successful run

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and make it to the postseason I think that one of the biggest reasons is is Josh Allen

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period end of statement you know so he he played like we he played like the Josh Allen we know

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love and have missed for a portion of the season I think that the biggest thing I've noticed with

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Joe Brady is and I think a lot of people have like talked about this there was even like a

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cartoon in the Buffalo news of the charging Buffalo logo with the red stripe and it was like being

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cut a clip as if it was a leash holding the bills back and it was referencing the change from you

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know from Dorsey to Joe Brady and I think that that's the thing that we're seeing that is the

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biggest that is the biggest positive for this team is they need the defense desperately needs

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the offense to play from ahead most of the Philly game the defense had an advantage in that

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Philadelphia had to try to do some things uncomfortably because the bills had a lead and I think

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that the big change in the second half Philly saying okay we are behind we're behind by multiple

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scores but we have to run the ball because they are shutting down our passing attack

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and they are getting too much pressure that's what brought them back into the game and the

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bills offense desperately needs to play defense by being aggressive offense they just need to

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build up a lead and let their defense go after the quarterback because that's the strength of

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this team that is one thing that gets me gives me hope for the stretcher on Josh the offense getting

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things done I think that they also you know the offensive line like you know me I love offensive

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line play I'm so impressed with this offensive line I think other than a few snaps here and there

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of Osiris Torrance versus some top tier competition in the Philly game they had a super clean game

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and offensive line they were able to get some rushing lanes going a little bit it's against a

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difficult defense they were able to get Josh Allen involved with his legs it was you know they've

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been top two or three offensive line in terms of pressure rate pressure percentage sacric and sacks

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when it comes to pass protection and they're top five maybe just outside the top five in in rushing

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they have one of the highest yards before first contact for running backs which is excellent

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and I you know I know that builds my face a little bit frustrated at times with

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propensity to run and running especially like the the shot and draw play to Latavius Murray straight

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up the gut with no blocker in head of him is like great some of the tackle wrap stuff with

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the un-darkens we've talked about is awesome it seems to work you know most of the time and so

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I think that those are some you know there's some hope there with improved offensive line the

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offense is the hope that's how they can go on a Kansas City's offense is actually pretty far

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behind the bills in a lot of ways but Kansas City's defense is pretty far ahead of the bills this

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is probably the first time since Sean McDermott has been in Buffalo that Kansas City's defense

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of secondary is better than Buffalo's yeah they can they can the Chief's offense can be got I think

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00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:25,240
for the first time in the McDermott era dude doesn't like just a quick sidebar doesn't this AFC

434
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:31,880
playoff picture feel so weird this year like you've got Jacksonville who plays solid defense but

435
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,240
their offense can't find a rhythm and they they've never proven anything before other than that

436
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:43,800
comeback Wayne against again the dumbest team in the league in the LA Chargers um then you've got

437
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:50,200
Baltimore who seems disinterested in playing football most weeks and they just kind of like

438
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,120
string it together and they go through the motions and somehow find a way to win they just turn it

439
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,440
out into the second half and play like one quarter of good football like I think that's the thing

440
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,240
that's also funny is like we're talking about you know possibly firing Sean McDermott there are so

441
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,560
many fan bases who are experiencing the same crap we're the exact same thing where they're watching

442
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,760
their team like middling the Chief's like Patrick Mahomes uncharacteristic turnovers in a constant

443
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:20,280
basis like it's a lot of yeah the Dolphins Dolphins not beating any team above 500 still right and

444
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,120
while their defense is playing good they're playing good against mediocre competition

445
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,040
and and the offense people seem to have figured out that offense we'll see what happens this week

446
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:35,320
against um we'll see what happens this week for them with a Chan coming back but I mean

447
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,840
that that offense teams do not seem to be afraid of it anymore and you've got to rekill

448
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:49,000
battling lower body injuries that this year it feels like that the team in the AFC that gets the

449
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:56,200
first round by the one seed feels like the only team in the top four that is certain to move on

450
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:02,280
this really does feel like a season where in the wild card round you could see the five six and seven

451
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:07,480
seeds all provide road upsets and move on to the divisional round wouldn't that be great if one of

452
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,040
them was the Buffalo Bills wouldn't that be great which is a great way to jump back into this so JJ

453
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:18,120
I think you laid out perfectly why the Bills can go on a run here and I think the reasons why on my

454
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,040
side of the coin why they won't we've already talked about McDermott but I think we're going to talk

455
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:27,880
about a little bit more here moving on but his regression is a head coach with his in-game decision

456
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:35,400
making has been on full display that Philly game included but again you look at the the record in

457
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,600
one score games and when you get into the postseason you're only playing good teams and most of those

458
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:48,120
games are going to be one score games it really does weigh on you does McDermott have the bandwidth

459
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,080
to change up the way he's been managing these situations that have caused directly caused the

460
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,440
Bills to lose games and I think JJ the other reason is no secret because we also tapped this as a

461
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,800
reason why the Bills would not make a Super Bowl run this year it was the age of the defense

462
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:10,120
potential relying on players that were coming back from injury and the potential deterioration

463
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:16,840
of that roster due to age and injury as the year went on we set it in the preseason unfortunately

464
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,720
we were correct and this is also a reason why this team may be held back from from a postseason

465
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:28,120
birth because this defense while it can play good in stretches does not have the personnel in depth

466
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:33,560
to make a lot of adjustments and I also think too JJ I'm gonna I'm gonna lean again into McDermott

467
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,680
here I think some of the personnel groupings have been highly questionable you mentioned Von Miller

468
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:45,400
who may not be factoring into our end of season plans because of the domestic abuse situation

469
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,280
right now that he is currently under investigation for his play on the field would indicate a guy

470
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,480
that is not fully healthy and not able to contribute but Jordan Phillips getting the snap share that

471
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:01,480
he is getting over a guy like punaford too seems insane to me all Jordan Phillips really does is

472
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:07,000
like try to get the crowd juiced up by waving his arms and beyond that he's been a non-factor and he

473
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:13,080
does penalties and he gets turned out of his gap on critical rundowns like that's all he does he

474
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,040
just gets pushed out of his gap on the critical rundowns because he lets the he lets the opponent

475
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:23,320
opponent off its of line get under his pads and move him aside like I I cannot understand for

476
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:29,240
the life of me why he is getting snap share away from punaford who I granted was still figuring

477
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:35,480
out the scheme right but and now is in mothballs he's been Kyler elamed but punaford tim seddle

478
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:41,640
and Linval Joseph who's a great and limited reps for the bills give Linval Joseph all of all of

479
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:47,240
the Jordan Phillips snaps well and maybe they are because Linval Joseph is still in his preseason

480
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:51,960
right he's played two games off the couch so maybe he's getting up to football shape and

481
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:58,040
and his getting his wind up I would be fine if if Ed Oliver got more than two thirds of all the

482
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,640
defensive snaps against Philly I'd be fine if Linval Joseph got this a similar snap number and

483
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:10,840
was in there all the time additionally I like I'll tell you this the best four that they could

484
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:21,560
probably put on the field are Leonard Floyd at Oliver Greg Russo except inside yeah Greg Russo

485
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:28,280
inside and then AJ Epineza put that on the field and then as as you have to rotate the third person

486
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:35,400
of Shaq Lawson um Russo or with Epineza and Floyd like that's that's that's what you should be working

487
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:42,600
with yes and then everyone else on your defensive line should be an emergency replacement only if

488
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:48,760
somebody needs a breather like just keep those five cycling through and then everybody else is

489
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,640
is there just in case Puna Ford he can get some snaps he can get one of those one third shares

490
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,200
in the inside but like honestly I think Jordan Phillips is one there's all this stuff with

491
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,600
like Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson I guess like threatening fans or fans threatening them like

492
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,880
and it's the kind of thing where like nonsense yeah you can't like I get I get it that fans can

493
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,440
especially I've said this the you know Philly fans are scary they're not just intense they're scary

494
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:19,080
they're the worst many many you know different sports many different athletes in different

495
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,920
sports have said that about Philly so I'm not talking out of my ass here but I think that it's

496
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,680
the kind of thing where I don't see it on the field from Jordan Phillips I don't see his contributions

497
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:37,080
to this defensive effort other than waving his arms in the air and it just I didn't think I don't

498
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,080
get it I didn't think he was great I think we talked about it when he left the team the first

499
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,120
that his like huge sack numbers were all just like luck sacks none of them were skill sacks

500
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:53,160
and him coming back I think he had he's had a couple of nice splash plays here and there

501
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:59,880
but every other snap if you watch him closely he's just getting blown up yeah he's a he's a total

502
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:05,800
liability on the interior of that defensive line and they just they've they've got they've got a

503
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:11,640
bench him like they've got a swap out poona forward spot on the inactive list with Jordan

504
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,640
Phillips and they've got to see what they've got with Joseph a rotation of settle ford and and uh

505
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:24,840
Joseph because Phillips is not Phillips is not the answer I mean yeah I agree it was I'm sorry to

506
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,920
step on your take I was just gonna say also especially with everything going on with the

507
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:35,480
domestic background situation which at this point the uh respondent has basically said that

508
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,840
they're they're recanting everything and so I don't know what's gonna happen there but with all that

509
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:47,320
even after we come back from the buy put von Miller inactive and bring poona ford right like

510
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:54,040
Jordan Phillips can have a he can have a jersey on game day give his snaps away please yeah Miller

511
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:01,160
it may be a rush to judgment to say Miller looks cooked and that he's not gonna recover but I don't

512
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,760
think it's that much of a rush this is a second second big lower body knee injury that he suffered

513
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:15,000
his career he's 34 35 no he just 30 just turned 35 right um yeah the young plucky buffalo bill

514
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:22,280
defense here um and listen they cannot pending what happens with the personal conduct policy

515
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:28,600
as it relates to this allegation they can't get out of the guaranteed money they owe him next year

516
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:36,040
so they can get out of it the year following but they are financially tied to the sky um so I see

517
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,600
I see the sense in them hoping they can get something out of them but I think you know

518
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:48,120
go back a go back to last year Leslie Frazier I think was a little prophetic when he made a very

519
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:53,640
confusing comment that I know confused a lot of fans at the time during preseason where he said they

520
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:59,640
were going to find the right situations to use Miller and I think everybody assumed that well

521
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,400
Miller is going to be our starting edge and he's going to get a majority of the snap share and all

522
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:09,720
this other stuff but you and I said I think this team understands where Miller is at in his career

523
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:14,760
and I think towards the end of the season we likely see him as a third down closing specialist and

524
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:24,280
and um clear passing plays and I I think the injuries have probably accelerated the the path

525
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,320
to that point for him because I no longer think Miller at least this year is a viable starter

526
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,120
for this team he's not getting healthier he's not getting better and there are other options

527
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:39,640
that they need to go to that are more productive on that unit well and I'm correcting myself because

528
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,440
I just looked it up he is 34 he turned 34 in March so and he's going to be 35 next year he'll be

529
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:50,440
35 next before the start of the season yes where he's owed 17 yeah four million seven four million

530
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:57,240
which like you know if he's from the the nfl via the personal conduct policy and the you know

531
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,200
owner's exemption list the bills don't owe that money and all of a sudden get back to cap which

532
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,960
would be something but we'll see we'll see what happens there um yeah we will we will absolutely

533
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:15,960
keep an eye on that uh that situation as it develops but um so yeah so JJ again in summary it's all on

534
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,800
josh and elin in this offense to help lift this team to a run and they may have to do it in spite of

535
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,240
a defense that is deteriorating doesn't seem to have the right personnel mix even for the guys

536
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:33,560
that are healthy and a head coach who is just he's really really struggled this season and does not

537
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:39,000
seem to be any closer to figuring out how to get out of that rut so there's a couple of things

538
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,920
working against the bills but we are all all putting our hopes in our lord and savior josh elin so

539
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:52,520
um so JJ we are now moving on from the filly game and the the impact that that has on bills

540
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:59,240
playoff soaps we are in the bi week and the bi week is a great time to kind of reflect sit back

541
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:05,800
take stock of the situation as it is now in buffalo there's a couple of things i think

542
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,400
that have popped up if from a local beat writer standpoint and a national media standpoint around

543
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,800
this team um because that's what happens during the bi you have a lot of time to sit back and

544
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,680
think about things that are not game related and there are some clear themes that have come up one

545
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,640
is mcdermot who and what his status for the future is going to be and i want to hold that to the end

546
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,360
because we've spent a lot of time with him so far um but there's a couple of other things that have

547
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,640
have kind of gotten people reflecting on where this bill's roster stands and regardless of what

548
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,880
happens to the playoff run what it's going to look like in the future and JJ a lot of that

549
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:48,440
i think starts with what is the future of the core db's that k that reigned in the mcdermot era

550
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:55,240
and of course we're talking about mica hide jordan poyer all propo and tre white who has now seen

551
00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:00,680
himself back on injured injured reserve as a result of yet another lower body injury this time in

552
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:08,520
achilles these are three guys two via free agency in hide and poyer and one via the draft and tre white

553
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:15,880
that have really helped to establish the culture of this team but i think it was on full displays

554
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:22,520
with higher with hide and poyer jj in that eagles game that those two guys have maybe lost a step

555
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:29,480
and are no longer the viable every snap starters that we have come to rely on them to be and that

556
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,920
leaves the bills in a really really hard place because that safety position for morasser standpoint

557
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,720
is pretty weak right now you've got rap i think on a one-year contract you've got demar ham on who

558
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:46,520
you have basically again put on the inactive list for all but two games this season um there is not

559
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:53,480
a lot that they can fall back on um in the future so you're talking about starting over with that

560
00:44:53,480 --> 00:45:01,080
unit and then tre white who as his career has gone on has really become a technician and a very

561
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:07,800
skilled technician of the cornerback position but was never the most athletically gifted in that role

562
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:14,760
now dealing with another injury that is really going to adversely impact his athletic ability

563
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:21,640
on the field which was already somewhat lacking so he cannot afford to lose any steps and it's like

564
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:28,280
we covered before uh it's like a 22 chance in the history of the nfl for a cb to return to starter

565
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:34,200
status after this injury like that's it doesn't happen to the 10 of them actually ever start again

566
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,480
after having that injury so it begs the question you know if the bills don't make the playoffs

567
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:46,360
will this be the last time that we see mike ahide jordan poyer and tre white donna bills uniform

568
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,680
is this the end of an era well um hide's contract is up at the end of the season poyer signed for a

569
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,320
second year but it's thinking they can get out of it it's not guaranteed it's basically a voidier

570
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:04,120
yeah i actually think that what they'll do is they'll keep i think they might um here's here's what

571
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:09,560
here's what i think will happen they will set a price for mike ahide they'll say if you want to

572
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:17,080
continue playing football in the nfl this is what we think your value is and and they will let

573
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:22,040
they will let that be a spot you know i think that they'll they he's given too much to this team he's

574
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:28,920
been um you know as everybody knows he's beloved in buffalo he's been an amazing center fielder for

575
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,680
the team in that deep you know deep safety deep free safety position and i think that there will

576
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,760
be a roster spot offered but i think it's going to be on the cheap it's not going to be vet minimum

577
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,040
but it's going to be somewhere around what poyer was given for this year for this year's contract

578
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,760
um and they'll they'll kind of probably put that out there and say okay you can test the market

579
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,080
but if you want to come back and and play with us here's here's the number and i like that about

580
00:46:53,080 --> 00:47:00,760
brandon bean he doesn't usually overpay for aging veterans um he lets he lets the market determine

581
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,640
what kind of he's willing to pay i think that they'll do that because i think that they will

582
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:16,280
give the option for poyer and hide to return next year but also think there's a chance that even as

583
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,480
much as the you know mcdirtman bean they've shown that they have loyalty to their own guys they tend

584
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:27,960
to keep them run um there's a chance that through the draft or via free agency depending on who

585
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:34,520
becomes available they might upgrade and then it becomes a training camp battle for either of the

586
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:42,200
veteran uh safeties on the roster there's also the opportunity for um somebody like cam louis who

587
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,400
was trapped safety a little bit in this training camp um they've started kind of pulling some of

588
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,840
those levers to see if there is an upgrade or a younger player to get in there similarly taylor

589
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:58,760
rap i think that he has not really shown that much um and the safety position he's looked like a

590
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,880
liability in some regards they've brought him in as sort of a positionless player occasionally and

591
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,520
he's looked a little better but i think that when they've given him the full responsibility of getting

592
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:14,920
everyone lined up and um you know covering his you know the back back third or or playing that

593
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:20,360
kind of too deep shell uh that the bills like to run he has he has kind of suffered a little bit

594
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:26,520
in that so you know i don't know i think that like i said it's really unlikely it's difficult to get

595
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:32,760
out of white's contract um this year um because there is some dead cap there but i think there's

596
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:39,400
also a savings about 10 million hide and it's 10 it's 10 million against the cap yeah so you you

597
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:47,000
incur some dead cap but you save 10 overall and net 10 that's that's really interesting um it's

598
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,720
significant yeah the other thing about trey white is like often people will say oh a cornerback who

599
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:56,920
is a technician should make a good safety trey white is not overly physical he's not the player

600
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:02,760
who's going to trigger downhill and blow stuff up and so i think that that's probably not going to be

601
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:09,480
in his cards um i think that a player like if they get anything out of kairi ilam in the corner

602
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:17,400
position um somebody like benford could be an interesting uh move to safety um but you know i

603
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:26,920
really like benford rissuel douglas uh and um some of the snaps that we've seen from from

604
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,080
cam luis in the slot of course tarenna johnson still under contract just signed an extension so

605
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,920
there's some pieces there but yeah i think that in terms of your question your prompt

606
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:45,640
poor hide white um we could probably see none or all of them on the roster uh so that's not an

607
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:53,080
answer but i think it's likely that like i said expect uh you know hide to be allowed to test

608
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,040
the market and come back on a very very team friendly deal if he if there's no suitors he's

609
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:07,000
old he's got an injury history and he's looked slow yeah you know and it's hard to know but

610
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:13,480
i think the bills are going to prioritize resigning rissuel douglas because he's played great for that

611
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:19,000
he's still in contract he has he has next year on him yeah yeah they have the it's a it's a non-guaranteed

612
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:25,800
year that's right but they did take they took the full contract from green bay so he's got he's got

613
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,440
one more uh one more year on his deal they don't they don't i mean he could set out but they have

614
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:36,040
his his rights that's right they do so they could look at potentially extending him to

615
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,320
lessen his cap hit for the upcoming season yes but um which i think they're gonna prioritize with him

616
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:47,320
but um it is it's hard for me to believe that poyer and hide will both be back in a starting

617
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:53,400
capacity for this team which is why i think if you've re-signed douglas you potentially move on

618
00:50:53,400 --> 00:51:00,600
from tre white you've got benford and hopefully kairi elam figures some stuff out and you look to

619
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:07,400
the draft to really get younger more athletic and faster at that position i think the thing that the

620
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:13,800
that would really help a young defensive roster that is going to turn over in multiple places next

621
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:20,040
season is going to be having some raw athleticism and speed you're gonna have malano coming back

622
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,840
if they make a playoff run rumor has that that malano might come back for the playoff run which

623
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,440
would be amazing but he's also going to be another year older next year he's going to be 32 next year

624
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,880
i think and coming off of back-to-back seasons where he's battled injury so the clock is ticking

625
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:41,720
there you've got a lot in bernard you've got dorian williams who's got raw speed and athleticism

626
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:48,440
i think i want to see the bills lean in to some raw athleticism and speed at some of these positions

627
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:55,320
that they value in their scheme and bring in some guys that fit that i listen man i love hide and

628
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:02,840
poor a lot they are to me the two guys aside from alan and digs that have built this culture to where

629
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:08,920
it is but is a business decision it feels like it's time to move on from them they are presenting

630
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:15,400
themselves as liabilities and we saw it on display in the eagles game um i've never seen i've never

631
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:22,200
seen hide get beat like he got beat on both of those touchdowns unreal like and one of them he was

632
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:29,000
in you know and on the rewatch all 22 he was he was put in an impossible position where christian

633
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:35,880
or torrell bernard did not squeeze did not drip backwards far enough so it made the throw much

634
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,920
easier to get there much faster so that one one of those scores he was in a really tough position

635
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:46,040
put in conflict on the other score that's the one where he and poyer met at the ball and neither of

636
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:52,200
them could break up the pass i feel like last year even two years ago one of them would have picked

637
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:58,600
a ball like they just absolutely more quickness at the point to catch point faster able to kind of

638
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:04,920
get in there and kind of you know position themselves instead of scrambling to catch up yeah

639
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:13,400
so it you know so it your take is they'll be back in a respectful financially managed way

640
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:18,920
and i'm saying i don't i don't know that we can afford that um especially where the cap situation

641
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:25,480
is well and i think that that being back on on a managed immanageable contract that's no

642
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,800
because it's got to be respectful they're veterans they have a number of recruits it can't be like

643
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:36,840
the minimum deal right like they've put their blood sweat tears into this thing um if the bills

644
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:44,520
find a way to reach to extend to quan jones neither of them will probably but do we do we want to do

645
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:53,880
yes we do do yes we do so he's gonna so he i get it he's going to reclaim the meteoric season he was

646
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:59,000
he was starting on he was on a heater and we've got even two years two years give me two years of

647
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:06,200
of an older de quan jones he's 33 but this is what i'll say that's the defensive line position is one

648
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:11,160
you can play into like look at linvald joseph like you can play really long into your life

649
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:17,720
and and because you don't need to be you can you need to be quick right need to be strong

650
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:21,560
and those are two things that stay with age pretty well this is and this is what i'm saying

651
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:28,120
if if there's no way that they're going to get two starting caliber safeties and a starting

652
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:33,640
caliber one technique defensive tackle in one draft or one free agency period with the cap

653
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:40,600
situation there's no way i get listen yeah i get listen i get a bean would have to hit hit on a draft

654
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,560
in a way that he has never hit on a draft before in order for that to happen i i see one starters in

655
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,680
the third round is what i'm talking about that's what he would have to get you have to get like day

656
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:55,080
one starters and one two and three i i listen i absolutely hear you i but do we want to invest

657
00:54:55,080 --> 00:55:00,280
more money and like we said this we said this is the beginning of the season after you battle

658
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:05,240
injuries and we've lost to quan jones now at the end of last season to injury and then at the

659
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:10,760
beginning of the season injury for one game this season one right right it matters but it

660
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:16,120
matters because it was a it was a game we got our ass handed to us but guys don't get healthier

661
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:24,040
as they get older so is the answer maybe retaining punaford or something to that effect i listen i i

662
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,360
get what you're saying and they're gonna have a lot of holes on this this defensive roster they're

663
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,440
gonna have to bring back somebody i totally get what you're saying as long as it's not jordan phillips

664
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:39,640
i don't care right yeah but yeah i to bring back to hope that to quan jones is going to be a productive

665
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,520
starter i mean maybe we'll see it if we make a playoff run because he's another one rumored to be

666
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,080
rehabbing well he's actually been seen around the facility which i think has been great which

667
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:54,840
which is usually an indication that he is ready to come back or ready to open that window i i could

668
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,400
get on i could absolutely get on board with with where you're at with that i agree and they're gonna

669
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,120
have to do something yeah well and what i'll say too is like yeah i mean you can talk all you want

670
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:09,080
about you know injury regression age injuries more more constant with age carry elham's on

671
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,880
injured reserve right now he's young as hell you know like that's it doesn't injuries are not a

672
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:20,280
variable is he is he really injured do we think he's really injured he think he's got into the

673
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:26,040
the conspiracy bag a little he's got the old sucka kiss injury it's just like a real bad football

674
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:33,640
right now he is absolutely he's he's he's got his bro he's he's got a broken talent um but

675
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:39,720
he's a broken spirit yes can you put that on the injury he's got a he's got a sprained skillet

676
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:47,560
ability um no but like that's that's i guess the point i was getting to is that yes injury is

677
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:52,680
worse with it gets worse with age players could lose more time to injure two more games in time

678
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:59,080
to injury the older they get in the in the league that's all trackable but when i look at jordan

679
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:04,200
poyer and michael hides play on the field compared to dequan's jones play on the field through four

680
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:11,480
games i want that guy it will give that guy a year or two years of a contract just to see what we

681
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:16,040
have left if you told me we were getting that back of course i think anyone would sign up for that

682
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:22,440
oh really um yeah so so but that that's one that i think jj is reasonable to think about is the

683
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:29,960
the end of the the hide poyer and potentially white era that really rang it rang in this run

684
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:36,520
that the buffalo bills bet on but you have also i think nicely segued into uh another point of

685
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:42,360
conversation and it's a really a point of reality that bills mafia has been has been wrestling with

686
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:48,280
this week which is with all this time we have to think we've been thinking about what if the

687
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:54,520
bills fail to make the playoffs other than the extraordinary agonizing emotions we're going

688
00:57:54,520 --> 00:58:01,000
to be going through what does it mean for this team moving forward next season to get back to the

689
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,880
postseason and i think you've touched on something that's really important what is this defensive

690
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:12,600
roster going to look like because i think and i think it's fair bean has caught a lot of heat

691
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:18,440
for the roster construction particularly on the defensive side of the ball and the lack of rookie

692
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:24,360
contracts that are producing were present on the defensive side of the ball and the extraordinary

693
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:30,440
amount to the highest clip in the league of the amount of veteran money that he has tied up in

694
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:38,280
that defense while also paying a franchise qb a quarter billion dollar valued guaranteed contract

695
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:45,400
so jj what do you think if the bills fail to make the playoffs this season it might not might not

696
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,680
even hinge on that but if they fail to make the playoffs what does this defensive roster look like

697
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,760
and what are some steps that you think bean is going to take to turn it over next season

698
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:02,840
i think that um you know we mentioned the defensive field i think there's a big shuffle there i think

699
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:10,680
that you know with ed oliver and greg russo only two players under contract going through next season

700
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:16,200
on the defensive line so there's and vaughn miller of course we'll see how that all shakes out so

701
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:23,320
there's two levels of the defense that are critical need of new blood defensive line and defensive

702
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:31,000
backfield the linebacker depth right now is not great but it's the kind of thing that i think that

703
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:39,080
with you know terrell bernard uh healthy matt mulano and dorian williams i think you have a

704
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:47,320
good three and then you probably want to add a veteran backup who is not a jcl um and my reason

705
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,800
for a nut a jcl is again you just want to get younger you want to like bet on traits and and

706
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:56,680
try to like get somebody who's on the upswing of their career like they did in 2017 when they signed

707
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:01,960
poirot right like these were third string fourth string special team or guys who just needed an

708
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,920
opportunity to get on the field and try some things hopefully that you know bobby babbage can

709
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:13,000
can weigh in on those decisions and help the professional the personnel scouting department

710
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:18,600
to find somebody who who may be buried on a depth chart but has some capacity and potential who's

711
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,880
on the right side of you know their their 20s rather than 30s and uh that's what i think you

712
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:29,640
want to do you want to invest in maybe one linebacker later in the draft and then one through free

713
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:35,000
agency just for depth to to give you some um snaps on special teams that sort of thing

714
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:40,200
i also wouldn't mind to rel dodson you know back as long as he's not a starter i think that's a

715
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:46,600
liability right now um for this team but as a depth piece he's not you know he's probably

716
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:51,320
pretty solid depth piece when you look across rosters in the league but again on the front line

717
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:56,520
i think that you know i like to get dequan jones back i'd like to be able to line them up next

718
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:02,840
to that oliver um we'll see about punaford tim settle you know jordan phillips i think that

719
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:09,880
i'd be fine with all three of them um walking after this season and i do think that there's

720
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:15,480
an opportunity to invest young there but i would like to see jones lined up next to oliver as the

721
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:22,520
one and two starting gregg russo a defensive end avan miller at the other defensive end a japan

722
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:28,120
eza is up for a contract so we'll see what happens there um a japan eza has an interesting kind of

723
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:36,040
track because he may get double digit sacks and we know that sacks production gets you paid in the

724
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:41,880
off season so he might leave on kind of a terminated edmunds deal where he gets way over

725
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:46,520
paid bills just are not they don't have the capacity one or don't have the interest to

726
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:52,280
bringing him back but we'll see what a japan eza i'd like to have him back i think he's you know

727
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:57,800
on the kind of trajectory where he might develop into a solid everydown starter um at defensive

728
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,840
end um and i think shackle osson is another one of those you know i don't know if he's still in

729
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:10,840
her contract after this year but i wouldn't he's not i wouldn't mind him being there for depth

730
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,800
but like he he's gotten beat the thing that was his calling card when the bills drafted him out of

731
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:21,240
clemson was it clemson clemson yeah when they drafted him in the first round on a clemson when

732
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:28,840
rex ryan was here um and shackle osson was playing with rex ryan's son at clemson uh they the thing

733
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:34,840
that he was was he was expected to be a splash pass rusher but what he showed up as was an

734
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:41,800
excellent run defender who could occasionally get some pass rush whips um he's still that player or

735
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:48,280
has been but he in his age has been slipping in the run defense a little bit he's he's selling out

736
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:54,360
more to try to get pressure and then make big plays and he's not as disciplined as he was as a

737
01:02:54,360 --> 01:03:00,680
younger player and and you know locking down running lanes holding the edge and so um i think

738
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,920
that there was another opportunity there to get young because you'd have to get young and cheap

739
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:11,480
at defensive it's too bloated ryan it's way too bloated and and that's the point that i think we

740
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:17,160
have arrived at with this defensive roster is yeah it'd be nice to keep the terrell dodson's and the

741
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:24,600
shackle osons and all that on the roster we do not have the salary cap space to do that and we

742
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:29,640
still need to improve some things on the offensive side of the ball because gabe davis is in the

743
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:35,640
last year of his contract and i get cool chicare has played out of his mind this season he's wide

744
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:41,080
receiver three yeah you're he's a great wide receiver three yes yes you are so you're going

745
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:46,920
to be looking for potentially i hope to replace gabe davis that you know it's so crazy though they

746
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:53,400
fans rag on gabe davis for not showing up that jets game where he didn't have a single target

747
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:58,920
he got the game ball from the club for doing the doing the dirty work for blocking the

748
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:03,240
hell out of people but and that's great and that's a great duty you want to have in the locker room

749
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:08,120
that is not a number two wide receiver so the bills are going to have to reinvest in some

750
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:13,400
offensive weapons as well um they're probably going to need to reinvest in some depth pieces

751
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:20,200
on the offensive line too there is just not enough cap space and draft capital to manage all of that

752
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:26,200
and still bring back some of these veteran defensive guys and again i think this is this is

753
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:32,760
the piece of criticism that is most fair about brandon bean and we said last year when we did our

754
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:40,200
Super Bowl preview that the chiefs versus the eagles was the bills passed versus the bills future

755
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:45,560
as far as how you're going to have to build a roster because the eagles were coming in with a

756
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:50,600
qb who is still on a rookie contract at that point in jail and hurts and they had signed all of this

757
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:56,520
hot veteran talent to really bolster their defense and make this run on the other side of the field

758
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,920
you had the canza city chiefs that i think were playing a record high amount of rookies on both

759
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:10,600
sides of the ball for a Super Bowl contending team and bean even after paying his qb has still tried

760
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:17,000
to live in where the philadelphia eagles were which is pay a qb and then also somehow keep all of these

761
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:22,600
bloated veteran contracts not to mention that the bills are also what has been their hallmark which

762
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:28,280
is re-signing their guys he's given out a lot of money to a lot of players over the years and guarantees

763
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:34,440
and i think it's fair to say that not a lot of that has necessarily come through in production on

764
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:41,000
the field and i think of Dawson Knox it is first and foremost as one of those guys who got an extension

765
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:47,160
from bean and is not really producing the way that we need him to he is a great physical blocker

766
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:51,800
and a great chipper at the line of scrimmage but he is not delivering on the size of the

767
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:57,400
contract and guarantee that he got as a tight end so you've got bloke from free agents you've

768
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:02,120
got maybe some questionable decisions about guys that got second contracts from this jam

769
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:09,240
it is time to turn the page on some of these positions and get younger we are and we've

770
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:14,440
said this about bean he tends to be a year behind when identifying the needs that he really needs to

771
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:20,120
address we should have turned this thing over last season when we had the opportunity and we did not

772
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:26,600
he's got to do it this year because the salary cap cannot contain it anymore well on top of that i

773
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:33,400
think that like you know he finally in 2023 has fixed the line from 2020 like the offensive line

774
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:39,000
right finally after all the money and resources we've dumped into it the line that we needed in

775
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:46,200
2020 we got in 2023 i really hope that the defensive the fresh young defensive backfield

776
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:52,840
that we need for 2024 doesn't take us till 2026 when the new state like that's that's what i'm

777
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:57,960
that's what i'm most worried about yeah and so and and i think that that's that's another one of my

778
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:04,120
big criticisms of sean McDermott is that and a huge difference you know i want to share just like a

779
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:09,800
quick statistic um but a huge difference between sean McDermott and andy reid strong mcdermott

780
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,640
this stage of his coaching career andy reid and his more advanced stage of his coaching career

781
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:20,520
having what i think two dozen seasons now under his belt sean mcdermott having seven andy reid

782
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,560
is willing and this is his old age or whatever he's willing to play rookies he's willing to

783
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:30,760
give them the chance just stick them out there and see let them you know fly or float or sink or swim

784
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:36,680
um but sean McDermott is like he is you know again stubborn stubborn is the word that's the

785
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:42,680
one i'm that's the word of the day um he is adverse to playing young talent adversity playing young

786
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:48,680
talent he likes to punish young talent for mistakes he is very punitive about it and like

787
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:53,720
it that is not the way to build a championship team when you have the massive contract of a

788
01:07:53,720 --> 01:08:01,000
franchise top five court you can't do that you cannot keep veteran players on huge contracts in

789
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:06,120
the in the you know in the fold because you just 40 you have to start to turn it over you start

790
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:11,960
you have to start to trust people in the in the team to do things for you who are first and second

791
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:19,000
players and so in that comparison so andy reid first seven seasons with philly 31 and 23

792
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:27,480
four and six and that's 31 and 23 in one score games including losing a super bowl um and four

793
01:08:27,480 --> 01:08:34,760
and six and overtime in one score game losing record and overtime in his second stint you know

794
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:39,400
i broke his time with the eagles in the first seven seasons because sean McDermott has been with the

795
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:44,920
bills now this is his seventh and second says it's seven seasons the second seven seasons of the run

796
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:53,160
that ended up getting andy reid fired in his second seven seasons in one score games 26 36 and one

797
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:59,800
significantly losing left record and then atop and in his in overtime in those games

798
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:04,920
oh two in one what didn't win a single one and so didn't go didn't go to many of them because he'd

799
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:13,480
lost in in regulation so many times so that compared to you know um sean McDermott who has again the

800
01:09:13,480 --> 01:09:21,080
best you know second best record for as a coach in buffalo bills history he's 68 and 41 um and he's

801
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:30,440
like 28 and 26 and 26 in one score games and oh and six in overtime the bills like that's worse

802
01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:36,040
that's right and like from that time at that point in time andy reid has become a much better coach

803
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:41,000
much better in one one score games much better a lot of metrics and i wonder how much of that is

804
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,320
you know he got fired he had to he they moved on from him and philly because he wasn't being

805
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:50,920
aggressive he wasn't doing the things he he could get them over the hump and the question that we have

806
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:57,960
with this roster with this team and with the the hopeful championship window that josh allen has

807
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:08,440
them in right now is can sean McDermott become year 15 andy reid in year eight does he or does he

808
01:10:08,440 --> 01:10:16,600
need to be middling and lose close games losing overtime for another seven years yeah and i think

809
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:24,280
that i think we have our answer at least conditionally um for next season because this has been the

810
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final thing that a lot of folks have been musing on here during the bills by week which is what

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happens to McDermott should this team not make the playoffs and tim graham from the athletic

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reported from sources that with direct knowledge of uh pugilist thinking on this is that there is no

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chance whatsoever that we move on from McDermott next year so and you know the andy reid comp is

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a really good one jj we have of course heard the the schottenheimer comps as well and at the stage

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in a coach's career it's really hard to know but i think there is a middle ground for me a middle

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ground comp that McDermott is a coach kind of represents and that is or is kind of reflects

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and that is tony dungey um tony dungey very famously beloved coach players always played for him

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could not get the tambiway buccaneers over the hump gets fired they bring in grun in one season

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gets them to super bowl promise land now dungey eventually got his with Peyton Manning and the

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colts but i think when you look at not just style of coaching but the character of the coach as well

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and this is not to impugn schottenheimer or reid but when you look at like the the background the

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principles the standards the the sort of stylistic components of the way that these guys coach i think

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McDermott and tony dungey bear a familiar resemblance with each other now does that mean i think

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that eventually McDermott is going to get one i have no idea but i think i think it is fair to

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say that coaches like dungey and coaches like McDermott they take a while to they need the

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absolute right situation in order to build their culture in order to win and dungey found it in

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indianapolis it is an open question whether or not McDermott has found it in buffalo and how long

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we're going we as a fan base and the pagulas as an ownership structure are going to be willing

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to tolerate it because here is the other thing the grass is not always greener we just saw for

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the second straight season the carolina panthers fire a coach midseason and frank reich teams

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time in and time out owners get the head coach hiring process wrong they get fixated on a great

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young play caller or a great young mind and they don't look enough at the guys that need to be

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sort of that's have that ceo mentality around the organization we have that with McDermott

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and it has not been allowed to shine through the season because of the the self-imposed

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restrictions McDermott has put on himself which is the play calling responsibilities of the

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defensive coordinator so if the bills make the playoffs jj i believe McDermott is back next year

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and how bills mafia feels about that one way or the other is what it is but i do think that is part

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of that package he is going to be required he needs to be required to hire a defensive coordinator

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to get play calling off of him so that he can go back to being the ceo that has helped bring in this

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era of bill success and i'll say i hope that that defensive play caller and i don't know if he has

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the play calling ability right i hope i hope it's bobby babbage i think you mentioned earlier in the

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pod i hope it's babbage too he's a he's a proven coach i believe he's a smart guy smart guys tend

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to do good things and figure things out i hope he'd be a good defensive play caller

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you know you just get bobby babbage in to to be the defensive play caller dc assistant coach

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whatever that is eric washington continues to run the d-line and then you hire luke keekley

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to be new linebacker scotch he's been flirting with the idea of coming back into the league in

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in some capacity and so know that um shonmer german has an excellent relationship with with him so

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that could be it um it's interesting you bring up tony dungey i just looked up his stats he's

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208 and 139 in his i'm sorry one these 208 games coach 139 and 668 win percentage that's amazing

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he's a winning culture builder winning coach he just couldn't get it done in tampa bag and they

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moved on from him but i'm glad he got one well he's a good guy i'm glad he got in seven seasons with

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indy how many seasons did he have less than double digit wins just one i think he only had one one

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season with less than double digits incorrect he had no season with less than double digits with

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oh my god he won at least 10 games in the 16 game season every single year he was in good to have

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paint manning yeah every year he was in indy and that one one year he had 10 wins was the only year

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he had 10 wins every other year at least 12 which is wild so he was not the head coach because i was

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thinking it was the uh the season where manning went down to injury and they lost him and then

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they got them the number one pick to go get andrew luck so he was not the coach during that time

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he was not the coach at that time i'm not sure that was 2009 right yeah i think so yeah because

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his last season was 2008 and he went 12 and 4 with manning so damn so did he retire i gotta

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look that up yeah i'm a big i'm a big tony i love tony dunge yeah and i actually excuse me i think

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that shon mcdermot to dungey comp is good um and i and the thing if it is is like i think

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shon mcdermot is capable of getting a super bowl with this team i think that tony dungey you know

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of course got one so it just i'm with you their style the kind of tense you know uptight way of

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coaching the coaching not to lose the super you know traditional and kind of restricted way that they

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approach the game you you you can win and you can win a lot and you can win it all

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but it has to break your way it's you're never gonna make your own luck shon mcdermot's never

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gonna make his own luck he's going to play and regimented in the game and if things bounce

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their way they will win and they could win it all but he's not gonna make his own luck like some of

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the play some of the coaches we've seen and hate to hate to use the men use this reference like

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bella check bella check is the kind of coach who makes luck for his team he sucks he cheats

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luck he does he does um but that's one way like he used it he used so many throughout his coaching

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career how many times has he manipulated the rules for the benefit of his team in a way that was

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not illegal because he just figured it out right like he just stretched out as the way to take

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advantage of some obscure thing about timeouts and special teams player whatever um to give his

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team an edge and i think that that's the thing and like i of course i think he's a cheater and

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if he's a terrible coach without break but oh shon mcdermot has josh allen and i'm looking for him

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to i'm looking for a game and like maybe this is it this is the my last thought on shon mcdermot

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i'm looking for a game where shon mcdermot does something and i'm like oh he just outcoached

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the pants off like right like where he wins it in some incredible fashion and i look to i point to

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and i said that's excellent coaching that's great coach i don't think i've seen it since he's been

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at the bills no we've seen very good coaching but we haven't seen that moment to me i want that moment

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to be kind of like what i described that that fantasy where he realizes that he's got the best

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offensive roster in the league and he goes to his franchise qb and he's like here's 20 seconds in

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two timeouts kid i know you can win this they f'd up we're not taking this to go get it this is on

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you go get it right and i just i haven't seen that i haven't seen that i haven't seen that from him

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you know to to make that call i mean harbaugh jim um john harbaugh and baltimore he was on his way

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out before they drafted lamar jackson like that that was a locker room that he had lost that was a

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roster he was no longer getting the most out of they couldn't figure out the qb situation in baltimore

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and her lamar jackson and what does harbaugh do in his first few seasons and it was noteworthy

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those on sport center he rides with lamar he basically comes off the sideline for every fourth

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down call in every end of game situation is like lamar you want to go for it great let's go for it

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doesn't always work out but he's trusting the franchise qb that basically saved his job in

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baltimore i just want to see that from mcdermott i would be like yo josh you want to go for it great

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let's go for it here right well yeah i don't know man i think the only certainty we know

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is that regardless of what happens mcdermott's gonna be back next season oh absolutely back and

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it seems like all indications yeah to continue my my andy reid comp it's like you want the moment

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from the 13 second game where andy reid went to you know to patrick migholms he's like when it's

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when when everything's at its most grim you have to go be the reaper right like you want that like

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amazing quote exactly we're like shon mcdermott says that like josh ellen says it in his press

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conference after the meeting or after the game and you're just like oh my god like that's amazing

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coaching yeah it sucks that came at our expense but yeah that is right it is amazing it is amazing

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no it's amazing coaching they they have to straighten our it with that like they got us oh my god

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all right my my canadian friend jj they have to center a hey hey hey relax get don't call me good

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buddy oh man i'm tired and that well in that that i cannot think of a better way to end the pod on

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that um so jj we've recapped the philly game we've given our bi-week observations of what we think

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the future of this team holds let's just hope our boys can can go on a run here and we can enjoy

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some more bills postseason football because if not i think at least from a roster management standpoint

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it that this is going to be an end of an era in one way shape or form that i think i i would like

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a few more months before we have to deal in that reality um so jj as always has been great potting

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with you sir uh for those of you listening at home like share and subscribe wherever you get your

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podcast google apple spotify we are on all of them and as always go bills and this weekend go jaguars

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go go texans go titans and go cardinals if those four teams win the bills are not in the playoffs

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but they're way closer yes i have to go bills way to break it and go bills

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so

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you