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All right, we're back with Buffalo bread podcast. This is the post week one pre week

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to Todd to get you ready for Sunday versus the Las Vegas Raiders. I think everyone at

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this point has basically gone through all the stages of priests that were involved those

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of the bills versus jets abysmal performance by Josh Allen. We can talk a bit about that

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game and and we're ready. We're adjuvenated and less than 24 hours. You know, the Buffalo

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bills are going to be facing down the Raiders at home. It's a home opener. I think it's

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a it's a winnable game and we'll get into all of it here. Dan, how are you doing?

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Heavy side JJ heavy side. I want to remind you of something that you had said on the

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last pod at the very tail end of our preview show for the Jets game. You said, Bill's

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mafia, if the offensive line doesn't perform any better than they did last season, take

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heart in knowing this will be the best defensive front they face probably all season. Well,

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they didn't play great. Alan was sacked five times throughout the game, hurried on a number

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of other passes. I know we're going to talk about Josh, everyone has talked about Josh.

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But I think if I had to give you my Twitter length summary of what that game was, it was

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a copy and paste from week nine, with a couple of different caveats when we played the Jets

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last season. And it felt similarly demoralizing as it did with the Cincinnati Bengals game

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to see that kind of physical dominance occur again in the trenches. A lot of a lot of trends,

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a lot of patterns that we were used to seeing with the bills last year when the offense

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was really struggling emerged again. Now there are one or two ways you can take it. You can

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be like, listen, the Jets are just a great defense, literally built man for man, pound

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for pound to counter everything the bills can do. And they just have this team's number.

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Or you can say that maybe some of these sustained problems over the last 19 and 20 games that

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we've seen from this bill squad. Maybe these things are settling in to be some of our reality

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as opposed to just one off against these really physically dominant teams. JJ, where do you

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want to start with this? You want to start with Josh? You want to start with the line?

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Do you want to talk about feelings? Where do you want to go?

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So so let's let's, you know, I think it's a good it's a good news, bad news situation

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when I think about it. So let's start with the bad news first. And that would be the

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offense and that would be Josh Allen. And I think that I would like to start by saying,

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I have zero criticism for Ken Dorsey. I have very little criticism for the offensive line,

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which you're making a face. People can't see this, but you're making a face.

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Interesting. Even Spencer Brown. I'll get no, no, I have extreme criticism for Spencer

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Brown. The line as an aggregate, I thought, okay, against probably the best defensive line

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in the league, if not top three, the line as an aggregate, I think did okay. I think

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that the majority of their problems was Josh Allen. The play calls were there. The open

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receivers were there. The check downs were there. The opportunities were there. Prophets

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you never go broke when you think profits, right? Like, and he just was he was refusing

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to do it. He was playing sugar high Josh from from basically the first snap. My, you know,

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I'll bring my wife's opinion of this season in, which I hope is not a prophetic opinion.

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She said, Josh Allen has so much crap going on off the field because she of course, like

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sees all the like, you know, the, the takes and the celebrity gossip stuff. She's like,

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he's got so much going on off the field. He's either going to light the league on fire and

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be a surefire, like whatever it is, because she doesn't know, like the all pro MVP stuff.

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She's like, he's the other going to do that. Or he's going to implode like a dying star.

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And so that when the game kicked off, and she said, this is why you're now making another

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face. This is why I said, I hope it's not prophetic. But the game kicked off. He had

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that kind of crazy look in his eyes right after the national anthem. We saw him and it was

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the same look he had in overtime at Houston playoff game early in his career. It's the

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same look he had in the first chiefs playoff loss, not the, you know, 13 second game, but

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the other chiefs playoff loss where he just like the moment looked too big for him. And

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it feels like, you know, when it when it gets that way, he grips and he gets the Yips to

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use the baseball turbine like so much. And then he starts just just fire off interceptions,

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fumbling snaps, trying to jump over three defenders when he still has 10 yards to go.

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Like that I think is it looked to me, he looked in this Jets game, like he looked in the late

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in the game and over time with against the Houston Texans in the playoffs, his first

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playoff run.

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Yeah, that is a that is a decent comp and you're absolutely right. It will talk a little

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bit more like data stats, all that kind of stuff. But I feel the same way when I'm sitting

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on my couch watching at home and I see the CBS or the Fox or the ESPN cameras zoom in

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on Josh before he's about to take the snap. You can tell when Josh is in control versus

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when Josh is not in control. When he's not in control, he's kind of breathing out of

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his mouth. He's got like this wide eyed look, right? His eyes are darting everywhere. He's

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not focused. He's seeing everything at the same time, which means he's seeing nothing.

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You know what I mean? He can't see the forest because all the trees are in the way type of

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a situation. And the jets are not a defense, I think that disguises coverage. They don't

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need to. They just pound for pound, man for man have some really great talent. So they're

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usually showing you what you can do. And Josh pre snap wasn't the problem. It was Josh post

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snap and what he was diagnosing after he had the ball in his hands. Yeah, I agree with you

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on the Dorsey criticism. I think a lot of bills mafia has gone to the Dorsey criticism

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because the offense didn't play well for basically a second straight game against.

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I struggle to use this term, but an elite opponent in the AFC with the with the with

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the jets. They've seen it out back to back games where that offense is really struggled.

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And I want to go to Dorsey because we all want to be right that Dorsey wasn't the guy

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to follow up day ball, even though day ball lost a game 40 to nothing and almost got Daniel

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Jones killed in the fourth quarter, right? Grass isn't always greener. Anyway, the jets

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basically took the same game plan they had from week nine, the last time that Josh played

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in the Meadowlands, and they flipped it. So rather than playing a bunch of kind of man

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coverage and mixing in the Blitz in the first half, they stuck to the zone scheme that really

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confused Josh in the second half of the week nine game last year. And Josh, with the exception

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of the interception and the fumble did pretty well on the first half. He completed 81%

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of his passes at just over 130 yards, had that touchdown strike to digs. And even though

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he looked a little frenetic at times, he was playing within the system. The jets only

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blitzed on about 11% of their rushes in that first half, and they played a very, very heavy

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zone. They came out in the second half, and they tripled their blitz rate to almost 36%.

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Josh went eight for 24. And we've said this before, you and I. Like, Josh is eventually

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going to going to assimilate and figure out what you're doing. So it's not about finding

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the one defense to control Josh, it's about mixing and assimilating defenses in that will

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keep him guessing. And the jets did a really good job keeping him guessing, not with any

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kind of like fancy disguise coverage, but the way they were mixing pressure on him.

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And they really tested the right side of that offensive line heavily throughout the course

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of the night. And it didn't look like Josh trusted the protection panel plays. Yeah,

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it was it was Cincinnati Bengals vibes. I felt like I was watching that game and the

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week nine game from from last season, all kind of bundled up into one hellish nightmare

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for most of the time. Listen, long story short, Josh needs to mature and get better against

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some of these two high defenses. The Holmes has done it. We're now seeing teams deployed

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against the Philadelphia Eagles. And even though they're two and oh, people are questioning

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the quote unquote sluggish start to Jalen Hurts season. This is what these defenses do. They

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are going to take away the big play. So are you mature enough? And do you have the patience

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to dink and dunk your way down the field and trust some of your playmakers with the ball

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in their hand to get yards after the catch? Now, there were a couple of areas where this

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offense improved the use of 12 personnel skyrocketed from last year. I mean, I think just over

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40% of their snaps were in 12 personnel. We saw Kankade get mixed in a little bit, not

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quite rookie of the year stuff, we got mixed in a little bit. And then about 38% of Josh's

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yards were actually yards after the catch that would have my his receivers. So these

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are good marginal improvements, right? Well, even the vibes and the feeling and the energy

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felt like Cincinnati from last year and the butt kicking we got and the mistakes that

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Josh was making. There were signs of improvement for this offense that just going to have to

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build on against Las Vegas this week and against Washington and week three.

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Yeah, I think that, you know, you're absolutely right. What they what they did and what other

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teams have proven to do is that if you make if you get enough pressure on Josh Allen that

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he loses trust in his offensive line, he will ruin the game. So, you know, he will give

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you a hand the game over to you. I think that the reality we have is that, you know, the

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Buffalo Bills are such a good team that all of their their three losses last year in the

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regular season were games where they gave the game away to the other team. They would have

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had a 16 and 0 season if they hadn't made critical errors at very particular times again. And

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like you can say, well, that's the whole NFL. That's all sports, right? Like they don't

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if they don't make mistakes, they win games, of course, but it's really they are such a

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juggernaut of a team. They're such a talented roster that they really have to help play

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help teams beat the jets and beating them by six points in overtime with four extra

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possessions. And like I know that, you know, Zach Wilson is no is no Aaron Rodgers and

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also just like in general, um, for Jets fans, anyone's listening, I'm sorry, like this is

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crummy. That's just complete crap luck like year team invested this amazing amount of

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resources into a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback who is injured four snaps into his career

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with your team. And like probably I mean, everyone's like, Oh, he's coming back, I'll

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come back. I don't think he's coming back. I'd be willing to put a $10 wager around

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the fact that Aaron Rodgers will not take another snap of the NFL. I think he is done

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because I don't think his body can take it anymore. Neither here nor there. Um, really,

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what I'm saying is that the bills are good enough team that they have to give the game

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away and they will give games away to good opponents. If those opponents do what looks

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to be a new blueprint for handling Josh Allen, since he did it, the chiefs have done it

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in the playoffs for a number of years. Um, you know, the, the dolphins kind of have it

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a little bit now. They did not have it prior, but they've given him the same problem, which

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is basically get enough pressure looks, find a way to maneuver around whatever protection

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schemes the bills are using to get in Josh Allen's base so that he stops trusting his

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protection. As soon as that happens, you have the game because he's going to start playing

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hero ball. He's going to do some bonehead things. He's going to try to get the 20 point

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touchdown pass with one ball. Um, and that's what we saw. I mean, the second and third

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interception he threw in the game were just pitiful. They were awful. Um, the first one

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also terrible. I mean, he could have easily run for the first down. He threw that ball

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basically directly to the defender way over stuff digs. And so, you know, but so all of

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them were, but, um, and then the fumble, the fumble was like the fumble and, you know,

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against Minnesota last year on the goal line, like he just, the moment was too big for him

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and he made an error. So that being said, I feel like he's been pretty pitiful against

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the Jets his entire career. He's never lit them up. Um, they have a good defense and that's

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what, you know, they used to snipe full him and most of it's up for it. It's, it's really

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getting pressure. And so when I said, I don't have a lot of criticism for that line. It's

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because I think that this Jets defensive line will ruin a lot of people's plans and a lot

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of, and stifle a lot of offenses. It'll be pretty unlikely, I think for teams to get

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over 20 points against them. Um, but you know, I, yeah, Spencer Brown was absolutely crap.

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Um, which we know, like he had a couple of nice run, run snaps and sweeps and stuff like

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that where he was out moving and kind of rolling people over. But for the most part, he is

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not a starting caliber NFL player, especially on a team that passes as much as the bills

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do. He is a backup at best. Um, or would probably be a solid every down starter on a team that

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runs the ball more than 50% of the time or up closer to 50% of the time. So that's what

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I have to say about the offense. I think that on the, you know, when it comes to the wide

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receivers, um, if Dalton Kincaid, uh, has, you know, those four receptions and 36 yards

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or whatever that he had in that game, um, over the course of the entire season, he

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will have 68 receptions and, um, what was it? 36 doing math here doing, doing math on the

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pod, doing math on the fly. I know it's always silent awkwardness. Yeah. He'll have 612

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yards and, um, 68, you know, receptions, what's basically makes him be the most prolific tight

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in rookie and bills history by double. So, and we don't, we don't think that'll be the

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case. Yeah. We don't think that's going to be the case now. So I mean, yeah, in summary,

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a lot of patterns of dysfunction that we saw last year, Josh's poor decision making, forcing

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the ball down the field, we didn't need to, um, or offensive line play, particularly from

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the right side. But then also a mixed bag of some improvements. They went, they completely

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went away from cook in the second half, which I think is more, let me, led, led me to believe

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they were falling, Dorsey was falling to, if there's any criticism he bears into some

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of the habits that he got into last year, because they were not behind in that game

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at any point until the fourth quarter. Um, they should not have been flinging it around

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at that rate, but the offensive line was not getting a great push. Cook wasn't getting

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freed up on a lot of space and Josh was not utilizing him in the, in the check down and

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in the past game to free some things up. But we did see Dorsey with a pretty good game

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plan coming in to get cook involved early on. I think that represents progress. Um,

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Josh utilized the middle of the field way more than he did for the latter half of last

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season in this game, which again, I thought was progress still forced it to the boundaries

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a little bit more than any of us would have liked to have seen, but progress there. So

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it was not all a bad day and there are building blocks here that the team can, um, use to

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move forward in the subsequent weeks. It's a, listen, week one is always an ugly week,

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especially with 17 games. Week one is kind of like a preseason game. And I know everyone

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made a big deal about the Bill Stardust playing a lot, but they hadn't seen full game speed

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and a full game as since they played against Cincinnati. So some of this also could have

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been chalked up to Russ, but I think the underlying issue, Josh's decision making desperately

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needs to change. So JJ, my question for you is, is it going to change as we welcome the

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Las Vegas Raiders to Highmark Stadium at a beautiful one PM Sunday afternoon game in

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Orchard Park, New York? Is Josh going to have a better game against this Josh McDaniels

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led unit?

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Well, I think, you know, I do believe he will. And like, I'm not, you know, I think we should

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talk a little bit about the defense first, the Jets before we jump into predictions,

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but I will say purely if talking about offense and Josh Allen and what I think going forward

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for the season, I think he's going to improve markedly in this game because he's I think

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maybe once one time in his entire career, has he ever strung two games consecutively

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where he had multiple turnovers? He tends to auto overcorrect sometimes and be a little

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bit more conservative with the football after he makes one of these bonehead games. And so

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it's good he doesn't stack mistakes like that. Um, he you know, you go, he goes a little

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bit back towards Dr. Joshua and not towards like Mr. Peterman. Um, those games in those

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games after he makes a really bad start. So I think that he'll he'll come back around.

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I'm looking forward to that that came tomorrow. Um, but yeah, I think I agree with your silver

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silver linings. I think that using more tight ends, getting cooked going and using him in

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the short passing game as well. He only hit 16 targets and touches, which was less than

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you had 19 and a half was what you're you're hoping you would get. And I thought I thought

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too that it was an error of Dorsey to not go a little bit harder with the run in the

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second. They were not behind in that game for most of it. They could have leaned into

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the run even without as much of a push because he's pretty elusive. So yeah, I think there's

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some good stuff there, but um, I was really impressed with the defense for the bills.

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How about you?

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, this is the unit that's going to get gashed by the run all

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year. And we saw we saw this last year, right? Where I get it run defense, DVOA, all that

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stuff, like they finished in the top four, according to advanced metrics, I get it. Everyone

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looks at the box score and they say this was a good run defense. This is not a good run

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defense. They played against bad running teams last year. And when they played against good

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running teams, they got absolutely lit up. And it's not just the Dara Kenry breaking

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an 80 yard touchdown run from his own 20. Raheem Mostert shredded this team in the regular

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season and for the playoffs and the playoffs, right? That's not a good offensive line unit

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in Miami, but that team was able to run on this bills front. Cincinnati was able to run

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on this bills front and then use their quick passing game to really open things up across

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the middle of the field. This I know statistically is a good run defense, but they're a good

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run defense against bad rushing teams. The Jets are a good rushing team. That offensive

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line is bad and pass pro in New York, but it's a really good run blocking unit. And

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we saw that. And there's a super talented back there that we're going to have to deal

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with for the next few years in Breeze Hall. We've got a similar challenge coming into

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Orchard Park, Josh Jacobs coming off a really wonky week one performance against Denver

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admittedly said he was still kicking off Russ from his holdout over the preseason. Let's

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hope he doesn't get that motor going against the bills because this is a unit that's going

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to struggle to stop the run and the Raiders are going to want to come in and run the ball.

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Well, they don't have anybody behind the defensive line and that's over 220 pounds

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anywhere. Yeah, you were in the back ranks. So I agree. I think that when I say I thought

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the defense did well, I think that the defense is predicated on covering the pass. Like that

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is what they do. Pass rush stopping, you know, people trying to pass on them and that's

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they're going to give up some big runs. I think that the the huge breeze hall run that

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was saved by Chris Christian Benford, which I thought was a really gutsy play and surprising

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because he's actually a burner, but he somehow caught roots all think we saw really but

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Oh, he did. He you could tell like even they were saying on the Manning cast. Oh, he does

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it not in shape. He doesn't have his legs back yet. Right. Yeah. He would he would never

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have been caught by Christian Benford if he was in full, you know, game shape or season

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shape. So yeah, they're going to get burned. I think other than that one huge run though,

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the backs for the jets, your in your opinion, a good running team average 2.5 yards per

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area. So I think that that's I'll take that I'll take, you know, they blow up for one

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or two long runs a game and then hold the rest of the snaps to 2.5 yards that you can

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win a lot of games that way. Yeah, but most of that was against Zach Wilson, who's not

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a threat to throw. So Buffalo is also playing a few more heavy boxes than they normally

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play to just to try to trap the run out. I mean, they play a more if they play listen,

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you're going to love this. I'm thinking when they play New England, right? Yeah, that

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is a team that had a really good offensive performance against a good defense, a rebuilding

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defense, but a good defense in Philadelphia. I think about a team that's got a that's got

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some actual threats other than one wide out on the outside, and that you can't really

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load up the box against and what is I get also a superior run unit. I like no, I don't

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disagree with you. The numbers are what they are. But this is not a good, not a good run

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defense. Period, period. And unless they're going to play Zach Wilson every week and have

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the have the luxury of loading up in the box a little bit, a little bit more than they

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usually do, they're going to struggle against some of these more well balanced units. They

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just are.

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I know, and I don't disagree with that at all. I'm worried about that for the offense.

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I think that especially, you know, the bills build is like a glass cannon build. If you're

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you know, a video game RPG person, like it's really about making sure that their defense

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does splash plays. I think especially under McDermott, that's going to be more important

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is that splash plays turn over sacks and then making sure your offense scores more than 25

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points a game. I think that's what they're built around because they are going there.

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There's many offenses in the league that will give this defense problems by running the

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football and by the short quick passing because that's another part that I think showed up

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a little bit when you know, when Zach Wilson was able to like actually get the ball out

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on time to the right place. The same as we've always seen, right? Even when it was Leslie

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Crazier is that the bills are in the area, but they give up their reception. They give

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up six or seven yards and then they get the tackle, right? Like that's enough. Offenses

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that can stay on time with that will will kill them.

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Yeah, absolutely. And listen, I will pass the rush is still not good. I get they pressured

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Zach Wilson a lot. They only brought the quarter back down three times in the entire game between

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Wilson and Rogers and I get Wilson is a little bit more mobile. And Wilson got pressured.

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I've got pressured a fair amount. I think there were nine QB hurries on Wilson, eight

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QB hits and they sacked him. They sacked Wilson twice, I want to say, right? Yeah. So not a

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bad overall statistical line, but they were only to bring only able to bring pressure

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on Wilson on about 22% of his snaps. I mean, listen, they made the most when they could

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get there, but they weren't getting there consistently. And that has been part of the

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problem with his pass rush, pass rush. Floyd looked great. Floyd is as advertised that looks

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like a guy who's had 10 at least 10 sacks in each of his last three seasons. Russo looked

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a little bit better. Where was everybody else? Where was it Oliver?

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I was just going to say, where was that Oliver was like, I want to prove I earned this money.

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Right. But he had no massive split. I think he had one good run fit. Yeah. I remember

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seeing. Yeah. So I like overall McDermott's scheming, but this is a this is a defense that

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we should expect to regress. It's not going to be good against the run until Miller gets

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back. The pass rush is not great, or at least is not to the level that it needs to be. And

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I I think Trey White looks like the best player on that defensive unit right now.

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Well, he was even rated pretty poorly. His tackling was abysmal. Yeah. And his coverage

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was not great. A better quarterback could have roasted him a few times. Yeah. Without a doubt.

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And listen, I love Poyer and Hyde. Part of it was probably dust for Hyde, but Poyer was

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out of position on a lot of run. Well, you're looked his open his open field tackling was

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a huge problem in that game. Huge problem in that game. And they're going to be playing

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a better offense and more capable quarterback this week. Also with a supercharged front

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game. It's listen, man, I think we're nine and a half point favorites in this game I

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saw on Caesars. That number to me is insane. Right. So take the points if you're out there

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listening. I just listen, I get what the history of Josh Allen and the bills team is about

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not stacking up consecutive losses. Josh following. By the way, it's sad that we actually have

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statistically meaningful data on Josh's multi turnover games versus how he plays the next

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time. I know I would like that to not be a statistically meaningful measure, but it is

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I know because it's happened so frequently over the last 25 games. But I get what all

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with all that stuff is. But this this Raiders team is going to is going to pose I think

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some unique challenges to it as a bill's defense that is simultaneously rebuilding and aging

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all at the same time. Yeah. And I mean, do you want to get into the Raiders now? I think

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that I do. Jets and we can get a give a quick preview of Raiders and what we believe will

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happen. We've talked about, you know, the bill's offense and what it has to do basically

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just Josh has to not turn the ball over four times and do what take what the defense will

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give them. I believe the Raiders defense. It's really like Max Crosby and some guys.

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Yeah, it's not. These are solid. Yeah, the safeties are solid. They have Marcus Peters,

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who is I would say a solid starter, but not spectacular. Nate Hobbs is a pretty good nickel

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porter. And really, that's about it. Like it's not not great in the linebacking core,

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but too great in the defensive line other than Max Crosby. They did draft Tyree Wilson

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in the top 10 out of Texas Tech. So that's somebody to keep it on. But he has looked

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like maybe it's a bit of a growing growing pains as a rook and that's okay. Any thoughts

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about this defense and kind of ways that the Buffalo Bills offense should attack them?

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Well, I think James Cook should have over 19 and a half touches. I think I want to go

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I think Dalton Kincaid should have a red zone touchdown. But I think more importantly, you

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want to see you want to see Josh consistently make good decisions and take care of himself

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and take care of the ball. Josh played like a man out of his mind the first eight weeks

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of last season. But we also tend to forget that even in that dominant get week one performance

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against LA last year, he threw two picks. And then you followed that up with a two turnover

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performance in week two as well. Now, he was able to he was able to deodorize some of those

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decisions with some just incredible playmaking and overall elite accuracy. But when that

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went away after the injury last season, he was just left with poor decision making and

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no deodorant to put over it. So I am I am not expecting a turnover free game from Josh.

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Because honestly, I don't know what that looks like. The illustrious Nick Wright, who you

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and I both have harsh opinions for. Yeah, he came up with a statistically for the first

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time maybe in his career, an accurate statistical measure of an opinion that he was trying to

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forge. And that was that over Josh's last 19 games, he has 37 total turnovers between

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fumbles lost and interceptions. That's an average of two turnovers per game over his

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last 19 games. Thanks. And that but that is accurate to what we have experienced over

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the last 19 games. So what I would what we all would love to see is Josh have a turnover

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free game. But I think it's fair to say that dude's got a little Brent Farrf and him dude

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has a little Cam Newton and him. Right. And I don't know that we're ever going to see

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like true turnover free, minimized risk football from Josh. I just don't know that's baked

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in. So I'm kind of going against the grain on what people are saying Josh needs to do.

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Yes, I think Josh needs to make better decisions. But I think Josh also needs to properly diagnose

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where the weaknesses on a defense are. And I think he needs to take the opportunities

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that Dorsey is scheming for him. Dorsey, again, unpopular opinion was not the problem last

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year. Guys were open. Josh was just not hitting them. And part of it was the injury he didn't

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have any kind of faith in his short, short, short yardage, accuracy. But part of it too

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is like this is just kind of how Josh is built. So I'm going to say a winning formula for

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Josh is turning the ball over under two times. But then also doing the things that we know

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he needs to do, which is distribute the ball to seven or more pass catchers. We need to

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see Dorsey continue to get James Cook involved in this offense as well. And we need to see

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some improvement from the offensive line. Basically, all of the things that we've been asking

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for for the past like season and a half, like it's boring to say the same thing over and

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over, but those really are the keys to success. I don't think we should ever expect mistake

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free Josh football moving forward, because I just don't think the data supports that

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he can play that way.

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Well, and I think yeah, I agree completely. And it's disheartening to me because I think

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that we saw such a massive growth on Josh Allen's part from the first year, his rookie

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year to his kind of third year, we saw a quarterback who all of a sudden was hitting

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open receivers who was manipulating safeties with his eyes was punk faking guys open and

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kind of you know, making these amazing whole shots over linebackers under safeties behind

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corners in front of safety is like, he's got a pretty amazing arm and talent and accuracy.

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And I think everyone just sort of assumed that the next logical step was that he would

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make the right decisions because he started making really good decisions. I mean, the

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2020 COVID season, he was you know, he looked like a man on fire that whole time. And then

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he sort of hit this this area where now we have a, you know, we have this roller coaster

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ride where I'm with Josh Allen as a quarterback, where, you know, injury injury games aside,

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I think he was playing with the UCL sprain, which is like, it's hard to hold that against

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a quarterback for seven or eight games of playing without, you know, use full use of

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your arm. And so, but at the same time, that should have made him a better quarterback

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by not being able to gunsling into poor choices and having to take small, you know, profit

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throws. The fact that he's not not doing that even after playing hurt for so long is it's

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science to me as well. And I think you're kind of putting this down to this might just

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be who he is. And is that a quarterback? And this is not me suggesting that Josh Allen

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be traded or they try to upgrade or find someone else that still think he's an elite talent,

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of course, but it might make a ceiling for what he's capable of doing for this team for

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his career, right? Like there might be a clear ceiling just like there was for breath for

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breath for ended up getting you know, two Super Bowls.

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He got one he won one one one one he went to two one one. So, you know, I think that

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there's that capacity but that might be who who Josh Allen is he might be a gunslinger

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who turns the ball over, makes bonehead plays can't control his own urges. And that's who

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we get right like but that also does amazing things that only one person in the world can

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do him. And we love that we love those moments.

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You know, I agree. The comp may not be Patrick Mahomes. But what if it's what if it's Matthew

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Stafford, right? Can we is Bill's mafia be Matt Stafford ye of the arm punt, right? Where

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you know what I'm just gonna sling it down field and it's if it gets picked whatever

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because you're gonna be starting on the two where you pick it off right? Yeah. So, so

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if we were to say that maybe we stopped the Allen Mahomes comparisons but we really kind

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of put Josh into that bucket of the Matt Stafford's of the world and the Caminootans

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of the world like that that is still to me enough for the bills if they build it outright

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to have a winning formula to win a Super Bowl. But I think not that I'm giving up on anything

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after week one and not that I'm giving up on Josh. I am taking all of what we have seen

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from the past season and a half two seasons. And again, even going back to that hot street

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he started off on last year, like the through the first eight weeks he had six picks, and

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he had I think eight total turnovers like averaging one per game at that point. Like

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if this is who Josh is going to be, we can still win but we need to be cognizant of that.

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So the message needs to be yes, listen, Josh needs to get smarter. He needs to be held

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accountable for his decision making. But maybe the system needs to change a little bit too.

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And maybe we should stop asking Josh to do things that maybe he's not capable of, you

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know what I mean? So it's there are no easy answers. Again, I think there were some some

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great silver lining from that week one game that I would like to see play out here against

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the Raiders. So the thing I'd like to see James Cook continue to get involved and get

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involved in the offense. Diggs got his touches. He got his targets. I am appalled by how overblown

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all of this coverage about his alleged discontent are by the national media. They just they're

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just looking for a story at this point, I feel like I want to see Gabe Davis get going

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as well. Like this is a this is a unit that's really going to struggle to cover guys. And

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I think you mentioned Nate Hobbs is the the nickel corner for this team. He is good. But

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this is Mitch mismatch territory for a guy like Dalton Kincaid, right? There are matchups

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that work on the bills favor here. The question is going to be, are they able to exploit them

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Chandler Jones because of all the the well worn public drama between him and McDaniels

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that's going on right now is not going to be playing in this particular game. On the

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offensive side of the ball, the Raiders are also going to be missing Jacoby Myers as well.

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So this is a this is a unit that's got Devonte Adams and like is her run fro who hasn't really

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been a is Hunter and frozen really been able to put it together. You know what I mean?

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Luckily to be playing but yeah, yeah. So so this is an opportunity for the bills in the

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way that they need to build things out in a way that is sustainable for Josh's playstyle,

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but also a path for them to win everything that they need in order to put that formula

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together exists in the weaknesses of this Raiders defense. So again, and this might be too much

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nuance, I don't know. I'm not expecting mistake free Josh ball. But what I want to see is Dorsey

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and Josh exploit the weaknesses of this Raiders defense with strength with the strength that

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this offense brings. And if that means Josh has like a three touchdown and one pick game,

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and he has a fumble that he doesn't lose, I'll accept that stat line. So to me,

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it's not going to be Justin Josh's stat line. It's going to be is he properly diagnosing where

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he can attack the weaknesses of this defense because everything is lined up for this offense to

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have a bounce back game. Yeah, absolutely. I think so too. And I think that it's I've any bills mafia

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that right now that's like ringing the alarm bells about Josh Allen or Ken Dorsey or Sean McDermott,

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like the stuff that I see you see out there in like the Twitter sphere, X sphere, whatever is just

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ridiculous. It's people be like, oh, Ken Dorsey was trash and has always been trash. And he can't

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call him Josh Allen now. Josh Allen's been throwing interceptions for his entire career. It's not

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like anybody is a magic Josh whisperer and stopped him from doing bonehead things.

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I will say I will say this day ball did right. And though, yeah, you know, but so here's the

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thing, right? Here's the thing and feel free to depart day ball. And I know Dorsey likes to call

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plays from the booth and stuff like this. Day ball, I think the legend of Brian Day ball is a

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like a bit overblown and Bill's mafia's had like I remember the Brian Day ball that lost

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to Urban Meyer, you know, and things like that. Exactly. Day ball was great, but it took Day

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ball three years to figure it out with Josh as well. So I think we need to give Dorsey that

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similar amount of space because day ball wasn't good in his first year. The second year that he

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was in charge of that offense, you saw improvement, but you didn't see any great growth. And then

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finally by year three, they had kicked it into high gear with some ups and downs. But I think what

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day ball does better than than I've seen Dorsey do like day ball was up in the booth calling

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plays as well. But day ball was also very, very well known for holding Josh accountable. And I'm

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not saying Dorsey doesn't, but Dorsey had the ability to go be the Josh whisperer when day

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ball was up in the booth as the QB coach, he'd be the one next to him on the bench, he'd be the one

431
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calming him down, he'd be the one that was like kind of the the relationship between day ball

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and Allen was famously good. But in game, he was the conduit between those two, right? And he was

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able to put things in perspective for Josh. I don't know that Joe Brady is doing that effectively.

434
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I would actually like to see Dorsey come out from the booth. And I like to see him on the sideline

435
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because I think play to play, there needs to be some immediate accountability. And Dorsey was able

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to do that at day balls direction. And I'd like to see Dorsey do that on his own. Well, and I think

437
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that there's also the component of now that Sean McDermott is calling the defensive plays,

438
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the times that you know, he the times that Sean McDermott would have otherwise to like have a

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word with with Josh as a head coach without defensive play calling are gone. Like he he

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has no longer has even the small amount of capacity a head coach who's not calling play by play

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would have to like have a quick chat with his quarterback, that's not there anymore. So I

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agree with you, I think that it could be a good time for Dorsey to come down on the sideline.

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But I do depart on this myth that Brian Dable was able to coach out Josh Allen's worst,

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you know, worst urges as a quarterback. I think that, you know, you'd be like, Oh, wow, he really,

445
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you know, Josh really turned around in the second half doesn't this still a game where he threw

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three interceptions, like it's not as if, you know, he had this low turnover rate with Dable,

447
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where like he I'm not it was never different, right? Like it's always been consistently high

448
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in turnovers and fumbles and interceptions over the course of a whole season, no matter who his

449
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play caller has been. But it there's this like random rare thing where people believe as if

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Josh was throwing 50 touchdowns to three interceptions when Dable was the was the offensive

451
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play caller. And now he's like, he's broken, like he's been broken. And that's so it's ridiculous.

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I don't, I don't buy into it. I agree with you. I think this could be a gear right game. I think

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that the Raiders defense was like 26 or 27th last year. They're not a great unit across the board.

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There's vulnerabilities. I think that if they can help Spencer Brown handle or at least slow down

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Max Crosby, there was one series of plays in the Broncos game that the Raiders had where Max Crosby

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was this would be the sole reason that the Broncos had to put like it was him alone. Like

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nobody else did anything on that series. Three straight plays. He shut them down sack, you know,

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pressure that caused an incompletion and then tackle for loss. Like it was just,

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he's a dude that can wreck a game. It, it reeks to me of the, uh, the season opening game we play

460
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against the Steelers a couple years back. Oh yeah. Can Hayward came, came Hayward, right? One man

461
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wrecking crew against that Bill's unit. Yeah. And Crosby has that ability. So yeah, it's it,

462
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and he is going to line up. I listen, if he doesn't line up 90% of the time against Spencer Brown,

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I think that's male practice on the Raiders coaching staff part. Like just line him up on

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Spencer Brown all game and let him go to work. Yeah. And then the things I'd like to see kind of

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flip over to the other side of the ball, the things I'd like to see from the Bill's defense

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against this offense is try to slow down Josh Jacobs. Jimmy Garoppolo is the king of like the

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short check down West Coast style quarterback play. Um, he was pretty good at throwing deep

468
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against the Broncos thinking through four times and completed two or three of them.

469
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Um, it was not that he was like, you know, acing it down the sideline for 40 yards. It was really

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mostly a short distributive kind of play. And that's what he's always been good at.

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Um, but he will also throw interceptions. And so he's pretty interception prone.

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Um, he actually, I think has the same interception per game rate as Josh Allen over his career

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or close. So, um, there's opportunities there. And I think that like you said before, um,

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the, uh, the Raiders have to found Adams, they have Josh Jacobs. And that's about it. Like

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it's an incredibly talented team. They're right guard and right tackle. Greg, Ron, Ben, Ron, who

476
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Bill's fans will know it was not good enough to make the team here. Um, gone and, uh, Jermaine,

477
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Elemio, nor, uh, is the right tackle. Who's kind of bounced around a little bit. That's the,

478
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that's the vulnerability for them as well. But actually, if you looked at their offensive line,

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that feels a lot like the bill's offensive line, they've been X though a good solid above average,

480
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you know, less tackle, solid left guard, decent center. And then it kind of declines from there

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as you go across the line. So, um, there'll be opportunities. And I think that they'll, you

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know, I'd also like to see some more out of, um, Terrell Bernard in this game. Cause I think he made,

483
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he made some mistakes in communication. It seemed, um, and he kind of, he had a better game than I

484
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expected against the Jets, but he, uh, also made some pretty big errors. And, and so I'd like to

485
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see him do a little better. Yeah, I agree. And, but this is, this is what happens when you have

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young players taking their lumps. There's a, a wide range of volatility with their, their play

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level. So I agree. Bernard looked pretty bad on certain, on certain plays, but really also had

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some very, very nice reps as well. So, and again, not, not bad considering the situation he was

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coming out of, basically not playing at all in the preseason and being thrust into this role.

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It's clear that that defense really does trust this kid. So, and, and to me with all the veterans

491
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they have on there, age or not, um, that means something to me. Um, on, on the defensive side

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of the ball, I think it's, it's simple for me. It's stop Josh Jacobs and then take advantage of

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what is a bad offensive line and has been for some time into, in, um, Las Vegas and actually

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sack the quarterback. I, I gotta see something from her. So I've got to see something from Oliver.

495
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You know what I mean? Like it's just, it's time for these, it more than time for these guys to

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step up. Oliver, especially who should be lining up across from Greg Van Roen, who he literally

497
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knows from practice, should understand his tendencies, should know ways to be him because

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he has that familiarity. It's the kind of thing where like Ed Oliver, second contract,

499
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very quickly could be a bust this season. Like it could prove to be a bust and a, and a overpayment

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this season. If he doesn't kind of put something on tape that proved, because he's supposedly healthy.

501
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He has talent around him. He's up next to the Dequan Jones again. There's no reason that he

502
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shouldn't be like lighting this thing on fire. If all that he says about being ready to go

503
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is true. So, yep. Do you want some predictions? I sure do. All right. All right. I don't, I'm

504
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going to go with score first. I don't think, I don't think this is going to be a 10 point win for the

505
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bills, but I, they should win. They should win this game by a touchdown. I'm going to go, I'm

506
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going to go 28 21. I think Jacob, I think Jacob's is going to have a game. I just listen. I, I am

507
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the stat guy. We can both acknowledge I'm the nerd with the Excel sheets. And I am telling you

508
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the stats with this Buffalo bills run defense are skewed because of the amount of poor rushing teams

509
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they've played over the past couple of seasons. This is not a team that's good against the run.

510
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It's just not good against the run. They're too light. Even with a guy like Jones anchoring the

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middle, their light on the edge and then Oliver is a lighter than normal three tech as well. I

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think we can acknowledge this is just not a team built to stop the run. I think J. Gubbs is going

513
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to have a really good day. And I think that's it's going to keep them close because I think

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we'll be surprised with how, how well Las Vegas is able to control the pace of the game. And I

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think it's going to, I think tomorrow might be a more frustrating viewing experience than we're

516
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mentally prepared for as bills mafia. We, we want our own 40 40 to nothing game. I don't know that

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it's set up for that. I think it's set out for a bill's when and again, I'd like to see them

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win in the way that we talked about. But my concerns are more on the defensive side of the

519
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ball this game. I think that's that's valid. And I'm going to go way more optimistic. I think

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that Josh happened what's happened to you. What's happened to you? I'm full of hope. We got the

521
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baby on the way dude. Every so awesome. Everything is good. I know. Thank you. But yeah, everything's

522
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looking up. You have that like positive like we're nesting, we're getting ready. Right. I remember,

523
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I remember those days. Everything was sunshine and puppies for me too in those days. In those days.

524
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That's right. Just make sure you're sleeping now. Sleep now. You know, as much as I can.

525
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But anyway, I think that the bills think it's a party. I think it's home opener. I think the

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crowd's going to be juiced up. I think the players all are really hungry to show better and to like

527
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come out and really make a commitment. And I think that includes Josh Hanlon. I think he's going to

528
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be, you know, we always talk about this. When is he going to wake up from like these childish plays

529
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that ruin everything? I don't think that I think it's part of who he is. But I do think that he

530
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will take it more seriously and maybe, you know, rein it in for this game. So I think the bills

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win 31 17. I do think they cover. I think that it's a party and Kim Kade gets his first TD,

532
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his first Tuddy as a folklore. That would be nice. And let's get James Cook going as well on this

533
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game. Yes. All right. So listen, I'm going to I have my the rest of my game predictions I am

534
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sticking with from last week. James James Cook, neat over 19 and a half touches. He's got to have

535
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at least 20 to me in this game. As you mentioned earlier at 16 against the Jets. Dalton Kincaid

536
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,520
needs to have a red zone touchdown. Like this is the game where you want to see offensively

537
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:43,200
everything for this Buffalo Bills the way that they rebuilt and retooled. This is the game where

538
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all of those checkboxes that they hit in the off season should be on full display. I have a sneaky

539
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,640
feeling that after this game is done, we're going to be talking more about the performance of the

540
00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:01,760
defense than we are in the offense getting right. Yeah, I'm going to go back to my Oliver takes

541
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that he has to prove something to me. And I'd like to see at Oliver over over a half sack.

542
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For the game. God, that's fools gold. I'm going under. Right. I mean, I just I said last season

543
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that guy was going to leave the team and sacks from the interior. I remember, dude, it was like

544
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I've had some doozies. But man, that one I ended up with some egg on my face after that one. So

545
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yeah. So I'm just always going to take the under on Oliver until he proves like until he just proves

546
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anything. Right. Like I get like football guys, guys that watch the film, they say Oliver like

547
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does a bunch of stuff that doesn't show up in the stat sheet. We need him to do stuff that shows up

548
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:47,200
in the stat sheet. Well, I think we need him to do these things. I know what you're talking about.

549
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And like, it's so funny because at Oliver gets all this credibility for playing. It's funny

550
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because so he's undersized, right? Yes. And so the people who watch the film, they're like, oh,

551
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they're like, oh, my gosh, he's able to anchor way better than someone of his size should be able

552
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to anchor. And you're like, OK, but does that mean he's blowing the plate? Oh, no, he got washed

553
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out of the plate completely. He just surprisingly anchored better than he should for his weight.

554
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And it's like, well, he didn't do anything good. And I don't care how impressed you are with him

555
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playing above his weight class when he still isn't making an impact. I know. It's he is a he is a

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he is a slightly below average shy defensive lineman and a very tiny, tiny defense. Like,

557
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it's a small dude. It's a small defense that's getting older every week. It's I think the off

558
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I'm talking to you all from your team. I have a really small old.

559
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That's true. It's a tiny old man, tiny old man running around. They're feeble and they're ancient.

560
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And now and listen, I love so many of the guys on the defensive side of the ball. Again,

561
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:01,440
poyer, poyer, like one of the all timers for me, right? Love hide, love love tray, all that stuff,

562
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:08,560
right? Milano will always be my Bobby Boucher. But but yeah, man, it's an undersized aging group.

563
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:14,160
And again, everyone's focusing this week with their Josh takes and the Dorsey takes and the

564
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offensive takes. I I saw some concerning things from that defense and that Jets game. And I think

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if they were playing a playing anyone other than Zach Wilson, I think it would have been a different

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story. And they are now playing Zach Wilson this week, they're playing granted a journeyman,

567
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but a more polished veteran QB with a solid running game behind him. Listen, I think,

568
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I think the bills pull it out. But I think the topic of discussion is going to be the defense

569
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after this game. Okay. All right, cool. Reasonable. Thank you. Thank you for that. I agree. I think

570
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,960
that's reasonable. All right, cool. So it is also reasonable for you listening at home to like,

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