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All right, welcome back to Buffalo Bread podcast season three premiere. I feel like an apology

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is in order, my friend. Dan, we we left our our lovely fans, you know, all seven of our

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lovely fans hanging at the end of the season. We got ground down much like our beloved Buffalo

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Bills by the tiles, you know, tired trials of a long season. And we sort of dropped off

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after after the draft after our draft previews. So we have a lot to cover here today. And

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the power you my friend.

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I am ecstatic to be dipping a toe back into the familiar and calm waters of this podcast

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where nothing but positivity and preseason will reign in our takes about the bills. We

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will wait for the inevitability of the seas.

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You say inevitability, which has never been a real optimist's word of use.

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We are Bills fans, right? The only difference between now, now and then is that we actually

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feel like we have a chance to win. But in all seriousness, I do think we have a good

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chance to win this year. I'm excited for the team flaws and all and we'll talk a lot about

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the flaws because that this is just what we do on this podcast. We do not sugarcoat, we

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do not blow sunshine up your butt. We will tell you exactly where the bills are and aren't

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strong where their vulnerabilities are, where their strengths are going to be. Just to give

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you all of our loyal listeners the opportunity to break down the information is needed. Bills

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fans were rated the smartest football fan base in a recent poll on Fox Sports. And we

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are here to prove that true with our savvy yet funny takes on the bills. So I'm ecstatic

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to get into it, man. I'm excited to be back. And I think you kind of lined it up that that

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is our show for the day. We're going to talk about the different bills moves and confirmation

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bias as a segment we'll start with. And then we're going to talk a little bit about the

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major changes to the coaching staff specifically coach McDermott calling the defensive plays

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and choosing to go the way of three of the four coordinators that were left in the final

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four teams vying for the Super Bowl, which is a head coach who calls one side of the

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ball themselves. So he's he's trying to throw his hat into the ring of being one of those

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coaches too, because maybe that's it. We haven't been able to get there for so many other reasons.

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Maybe that's the difference. And then finally, we're going to kind of close out with our

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reasons that the bills will or will not when the Super Bowl each of us will give a reason

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or two of why they we think they will. And then we'll each give a couple of reasons why

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they will. Does that sound good? I'm in love with it. I'm in love with this idea. Let's

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jump. I'm in love with the idea of love. This is great. I love I love the idea of love,

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right? No, I'm stoked about this. Let's get right into it, man. All right, so segment

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one confirmation bias. This is basically where we're going to talk about three topics that

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we discussed in the postmortem ending last season about big hanging questions about this

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Buffalo Bill's team. So since then, we have now gone through the draft, we've now gone

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through a full full season of free agency. The Bill's roster is really solidifying and

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coming together. And there's a few position battles that are still happening that we're

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going to take this as an opportunity to discuss as well. So why don't we start with the offense

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and a piece of the offense that I think is a little bit underrated with the arrival of

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Dalton Kincaid, who we will talk about in a little bit. But that's slot. So slot wide

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receivers been an exceptionally important role for this team, really ever since the

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ascendance of Josh Allen. Cole Beasley has been a topic on this pod. He's been at the

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forefront of a lot of Bill's fans mine, especially last season, is the Buffalo Bill's weren't

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able to exploit the middle of the field in the ways that they had before they no longer

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had that guy that could find soft spots in the zone that could get seven yards on a third

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and six for Allen. I think Allen's elbow injury has something to do with that too. So we ended

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last season not knowing that Kincaid would ultimately be the pick talking about Cleol

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Shakir. And did he do enough in his limited reps and his boomer bust type of reps that

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he had last season to convince us and the Bill's coaching staff that he should deserve

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an unchallenged shot at that slot wide receiver spot. Now, you and I were pretty high on him

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at the end of last year. We wanted to see more of him in last season. We felt like he

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could have been a difference maker in some of these games. He was the I think the leading

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wide receiver in their game against the Bengals off of just like two catches. So his yards

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per catch were huge. He had showed that yak ability, but he showed a tendency for drops.

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So you and I JJ vacillated back and forth between do they bring in someone to challenge

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him for the slot role or do they crown him and maybe bring in some veterans that can

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push but not overshadow him. And we compared it a lot to the development of Gabe Davis

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where when it looked like he was ready to emerge, the bill signed Emmanuel Sanders who

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took direct snaps away from Gabe, Gabe Davis early in his development. And you could argue

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as a Bill's fan that maybe the career arc or maybe the development arc for Gabe Davis

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would have been different had he had that full season under his belt. Maybe two seasons

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ago could have been the season we saw last year, which was an inconsistent game Davis

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that still had drop problems and still didn't run great routes. Flash forward to now, we're

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asking the same questions about Clial Shakir and it seems like the bills are sticking to

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their tendencies. And again, Shakir, unlike Davis to be clear, fifth round pick like

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projected in the second and third round in the year he was drafted. But there's nothing

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written that says you can't challenge a fifth round pick and camp. So they've brought in

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a bunch of guys via the draft and via free agency that have challenged and it looks like

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Shakir similar to Davis hasn't shown the progression that the bills coaches want to see. So JJ,

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let me ask you, Clial Shakir, is he our go to slot receiver this season? Or would you

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take the field in that regard?

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Oh, I'm going to take the field. And I think it's for two reasons. One is free agency

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editions. I think that Trent Scherrfield is going to force himself onto the field a little

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bit. And I think Deontay Hardy is also going to force his way into the into the mix. And

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I guess three reasons. The third reason, I believe that this team is going to use 12

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personnel, like 20% of the time, I think they're going to come out in 12 personnel way more

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than anybody is expecting because they're one of the lowest usage teams last year. And

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with Dalton, Kincaid and Dawson Knox Dawson Knox on a reasonably large tight end contract

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and Dalton Kincaid, I think it was Joe Biscoglio of the athletic mentioned that Dalton Kincaid

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is the first bills rookie he's seen in training camp who looks like a day one starter as much

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as Tredebius White did in 2017. And that's it. Like that's it. Josh Allen didn't, you

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know, Tremaine Edmonds didn't and Oliver didn't. So like none of these other players

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that have come through the doors as first round picks at Greg Rousseau didn't have looked

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as much like a day one locked in starting caliber player as Dalton, Kate in terms of consistency,

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in terms of mastery of the offense, in terms of competing against top petition at practice.

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So for those three reasons, I do not think that Kulil Shirk Shakira is ready to step

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out as the premier slot receiver for this. I think it's going to be Diggs and Davis on

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the outside. And then I think you're going to see kind of a rotation of 12 personnel

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and then probably Shakir Hardy and Sherfield at times in the slot. And then even sometimes

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they may be bumping Hardy outside for the speed, the fly route. And I think then you

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see Sherfield or Davis in the slot. So I think that the slot position is not going to be

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the automatic kind of cold, beasley position that had had been in the past in this offense

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because of the variability they now have. And I'm excited for that. I think that's going

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to be a wonderful ripple for the offense that they could do all these things. And then,

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you know, if I might, if I may go to a fourth reason, James freaking cooks James Cook in

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the slot because he's been lining up at different receiver sets throughout the preseason and

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practices. So I think he's going to get some play there too. And I just think it's too

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many. There's too many people too many miles to feed for us to like be able to stamp Kulil

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Shakir at the end of the season as the premier slot for the team.

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I agree. And the slot position has evolved so much over the past few years. You see a

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lot more wide receiver ones lining up in the slot. You see a lot more, you know, like

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Miami is a great example in Kansas City, the way they used to use Tyree Kill where he'd

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line up on the outside, you put them in pre snap motion. And before you know it, he's

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got a free release through up the slot and through the same. I mean, there's just so

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much and I love the way you put it. The bills are so have the ability to be way more

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multiple now, given the free agent additions they have. And I think in Kate is going to

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be a big piece of this too. And I think they value they value sure handedness. I think

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with the level of drops that this team experienced last year, and even Stefan Diggs was not immune

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to that. I think they're really trying to prioritize ball security and making sure

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that they're putting out the best pass cutters regardless of position that are going to haul

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in a Josh Allen ball, which, listen, we love Josh Allen, but I think you could argue he

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maybe doesn't throw the most catchable ball, especially towards the end of the season last

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year where he was really injured. So you just you just need guys that know how to catch

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him. We talked about this with Isaiah McKenzie all the time the way McKenzie like to get

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the ball versus the way Beezie like to get the ball. McKenzie was just not a dude who

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could catch a Josh Allen ball. But I think Scherfield for sure is that guy. And he also

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brings value added in the run game as well. You can line him up in the slot and his run

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blocking ability as a wide receiver is as good if not better than Gabe Davis. You've

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got Davis on the outside. You've got Scherfield in the slot. You just send that dude right

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up the middle to clear space like a pile driver heading up to the second level. And you're

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going to get a lot you're going to get a lot of sneaky good runs when you're running out

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three wide receiver personnel. And your points on on Concate are well taken. I want to save

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mine though until we get to number two here which is talking about exploitation in the

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middle of the field. Sure. But I agree. I think in summary this is a team that's way

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more multiple. And I don't think they are counting how many wide receivers how many

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tight ends they're going to have out there. I think they're counting how many guys are

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past catchers that we're going to run out there each and every play. Be it tight end

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be a wide receiver be at their running back core. I think they're going to find ways create

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very creatively to get the ball into the hands of a variety of different wide receivers

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which we know that when Alan gets to play point guard and he's completing passes to

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eight nine 10 11 different past catchers a game that's usually a recipe for a Buffalo's

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Bill's win. So I think that's how they're going to approach it. And as a result I'm

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not saying they're they're fading out a traditional slot role. I just think there's less of a

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dedicated role for Shakir because he looks like the biggest boomer bust out of those

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guys like there's one play where he'll drop a supremely catchable ball for an easy 10

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yard game and then make the most insane catch you've ever seen for a 35 yard game over the

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top like he is he is the epitome of a very raw product right now. And I don't think his

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past catching is developed to the point where the bills want to trust him with a with a

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complete full time role and a majority of the snap share.

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When I remember when he came out during the draft I was like gushing about how he was

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like one of the best picks they could have had that late in the in the you know, steel

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steel that late because well because like you said you in boomer bust you can see it

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like the the one catch he had those like 20 yards or something in the preseason game

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was just obscene it was he had no business it was way too high he had no business with

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that size of a frame hitting up there getting that ball but he didn't he's shown that before

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making insanely difficult catches but he also duffed an easy one that was perfectly on his

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hands that would have converted a third and five from Cowell and so like yeah that and

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that for me that's why the team is not going to have that traditional you know, 80 ball

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80 target 50 catch slot that they that they had in the Beasley prompt.

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And I would argue that they probably don't need it because it defenses have played this

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Buffalo Bills offense pretty much the same for the last two seasons.

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It's incumbent on the bills to and really on Ken Dorsey who is probably feeling a lot

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of pressure at this point but it's incumbent on them to roll out something different and

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in fairness I think last season they wanted to that that's why we saw the signing of OJ

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Howard and they just realized that Howard was not going to be a scheme fit for them.

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But I think they they knew they needed to run more to per 12 personnel they needed to

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run more multiple looks they needed to keep teams guessing.

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And when Alan got injured in his short area accuracy was affected as a result of it.

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I think teams could really play to the only thing it didn't have to worry about the short

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area of the field and could really just lock down the boundaries which is the only place

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that the bills could really go to Davis and digs on the outside it the combination of

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the injury the limitations I think of that wide receiver room and I would also throw

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in there I thought I thought Dorsey was a good offensive coordinator but he was a first

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year play caller.

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So I think all of those things combined I think teams figured out this offense and I

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think this season the bills are looking to do something I think that's new and fresh

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and I know a lot of bills mafia are hitting the panic button on the offense this year

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because the way it ended last year but I think this offense is going to be a superior version

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to what we saw last year particularly towards the end of the season so long as Alan can

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say healthy and the offensive line can stay right.

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Well and what we saw last year it's I mean I know that it everyone's like oh the offense

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faded in the latter half there that's fine it did but they were still winning games the

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team still went 13 and three in the regular season they still were a top three unit in

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terms of yards and scoring like they just they made it work you know like I think everyone

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just expected every every week this is the problem right this is what we talked about

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the time like the bills became a good team top of the NFL you know in terms of being

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competitive for a championship every year and everyone's like well every every game

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should be a 40 to 10 blowout it's like that's not real life like the chief right but come

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come through with squeakers and they've got two Super Bowls in the last three years right

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like they they barely squeeze out some games against inferior opponents here and there

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too like it's just unrealistic the team still as an aggregate on offense was that one of

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the top performers in the league and that's with the second most turnovers and the most

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or third most drops like that's you know that that to me is like okay if you clean up the

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turnovers and clean up the drops we probably are hanging 40 on most teams like it's just

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probably you know that's the thing is like this this team was its own worst enemy I don't

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think there was anything wrong with the play calling or the offense last year I think their

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execution was was not great I think that the team was emotionally exhausted by the end

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of the year through with everything they went through having multiple you know games move

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postpone you know the Mark Hamlin top shooting like this this team was what and it could you

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could tell it and I actually I don't know anything about this I have no idea I'm not inside

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but I just feel like maybe Stefan Diggs whole frustration and you know OTAs was around Josh

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Allen not being focused enough on football and his playing waning and I think they might

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have cleaned that up and hopefully he's back you know he just bought a house near Hailey

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Steinfeld in LA like it maybe things are okay now for Josh Allen we'll see.

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that's a girl from like oh well check that house out it's beautiful that's it.

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sure it's a lovely home lovely home yeah it's a quaint it's a quaint family home no perks

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a quaint mansion out in LA but good for that guy. So we are both in agreement that at the

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end of last season we kind of went back and forth but wanted to see Shakir get a get a

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shot but we're both in agreement that the way the bills are going the multiple looks

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maybe less dedicated snaps to the slot that's probably a good thing so yes so yeah and Shakir

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just needs to step it up and I'll have thankfully the rest of the preseason and all season to

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All right so item number two middle of the field so as we documented on several podcasts

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last year and again lamented in the postmortem for this this Buffalo Bills team the ability

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of the Buffalo Bills to challenge the middle of the field waned throughout the course of

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the season to the point where even pre-injury Allen was really limiting a lot of his looks

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to the boundaries only seeding the middle of the field to pretty much every defense that

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they would play. And when you face a lot of a lot of too high which the bills were facing

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last season pushing towards the boundaries constantly was the is the highest degree of

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difficulty that you can do to beat that offense because you basically need to drop that drop

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that pass perfectly over the defending cornerback and before the safety rushing to the boundary

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gets there so the bills were choosing the hardest possible way to beat that type of coverage

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and not taking the easy stuff in the middle of the field and then later on in the season

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when after Allen was injured his accuracy suffered and I think it just it just doubled

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down and compounded the problem they had with limiting themselves to the boundaries and

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the deep ball.

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So we said that the bills needed to be more dynamic and needed to attack every level of

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field in every direction. Enter Dalton Kincaid who you have already already very very positively

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introduced on this podcast. The bills number one round draft prep pick he has drawn comparisons

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pretty openly in the pre draft process and during camp to one Travis Kelsey which probably

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makes bills fans very excited because for years we've been looking for our Kelsey to

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match with our Mahomes and we think we may have found it with Kincaid. Now you mentioned

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the preseason game he didn't have a target didn't have a catch played the first series

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with first series with the starters and then was out of there which tells me that the bills

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plan on using him in a pretty significant role this year because rookies don't often

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get that treatment on this team. He's got a great rapport with Allen already he is finding

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those soft spots in the middle of the zone like Cole Beasley did but he's in a he has

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an exponentially larger target and solid pass catcher I don't think this guy's dropped a

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ball yet in camp so so he's everything the bills needed and then some from a reliability's

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zone eating route running standpoint. JJ will Dalton Kincaid successfully give the Buffalo

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Bills offense the middle of the field back. Unequivocally yes if everybody stays healthy

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Dalton Kincaid is going to solve this problem and hot take your first you know get the little

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you know black notebook you keep all your bets in I am I'm placing a small wager on

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Dalton Kincaid being offense brookie the year. Oh I knew that was coming. Oh my god. I think

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that's what we're talking about and it's mostly because of the buzz of how I mean not only

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has he been reliable in practice as like a consistent player understanding the offense

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that you know based on people's observations we don't know what play is called but he seems

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to be in the place he's supposed to be whenever he's supposed to be there and then he catches

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everything you throwed it. I think you know reading all the reports from trusted sources

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on practice I think through the entire course of training camp at St. John Fisher he had

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like three drops or something like that 70 balls that went his way like it was insane.

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Yeah I mean I think he dropped his first pass of training camp after not having dropped a

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single one in college and then didn't look back for the rest of camp. Yeah it was insane.

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So yeah that's I think he gives back to set the field I think that the report he's building

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with Josh Allen is invaluable and I think that he I believe that Ken Dorsey understands

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that Dalton Kincaid is never going to be a clean out blocker of a defensive end. He should

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understand that after seeing you know his college team and so as long as they're using

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him in the proper ways and not expecting him to hold the edge against you know Jadavia

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and Clownier if he's even still in the league give me a good defensive end. Nick Bosa right

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like yeah right not expecting a little yeah Khalil Mack Khalil Mack yeah like not expecting

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him to hold the edge against a premier pass rusher or shut down defensive end. As long

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as you're not expecting him to do that he's going to do everything you're expecting to

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do which is get to an open space. He has a long history in basketball so he's got that

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like savvy of understanding the middle of the field and knowing kind of where people

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are how to backs them out. It's kind of that third third situation that the best he is

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the like Hall of Famers had where they just know where they need to be. Travis Kelsey

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has you see it all the time against the bills he can has a you know pretty natural sense

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of where people are in space and where he needs to be and I think Dalton Kincaid has

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it. I'm very excited I don't think he's a Travis Kelsey I think he's got a long way

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to go but I think he's going to have a very impactful part in this offense enough so much

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that you're going to get national. Yeah I agree. Offensive rookie of the year. God.

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It might be a stretch but it's also not something I necessarily want to challenge you on either

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because this is like this is like preseason so like optimism runs. Oh yeah but this dude

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also looks like the real deal thus far. Now we haven't seen him do it in a real game with

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pads on yet but tape camp and practice would tell you that he's fluid in zone. He is quick

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to plant and go with the point of catch and he brings the bills something that I think

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you and I have been saying for years they need which is yak. He brings the yak game

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in a big way. I mean there's been there's been a couple of camp reps he's had where

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he's taken a ten yard ten yard girl route and then boom after the point of catch planted

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and gone right up the same. I think he gives the bills a lot of versatility in the middle

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of the field and he's a guy that if you're an opposing defense you just have to pay

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attention to him. There's going to be a lot of linebackers that are going to really struggle

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covering him which means you got to drop down potentially a safety to lock him down which

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takes away the two high ability that a lot of defenses have played against the bills

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for the past two years. He just answers a lot of questions now. This is also a lot of pressure

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to put on a rookie and there are other playmakers and pass catchers on this offense but when

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push comes to shove and it's third and seven and you got to get seven and seven and one

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eighth of a yard Dalton Kincaid gives them some reliability potentially that they haven't

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had at a very long time in the middle of the field and if you can make opposing defenses

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guard every level and every direction of the field like the old bills offense used to be.

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I think you're talking a good season for the Buffalo Bills and I think Kincaid has the

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ability again this feels like a lot of pressure to put on a rookie but I think he's got the

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ability to do that and I agree with you right away. I don't know if it'll be a rookie of

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the year right away but I think we're going to see him come up in some really key moments

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and a lot of games moving forward. I also salivate at the red zone options the Buffalo

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Bills now have right. I mean because that's the other thing and I know I know red zone

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statistics are volatile from year to year and unless you're the Tennessee Titans and

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you have Derek Henry few teams are consistently good in the red zone year after year after

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year. The red zone options like I'm just going through my head knocks Kincaid, Scherfield,

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Justin Shorter the big tall fast rookie that they just got. Knock rate on contested catches

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but he's a dude that's a pretty sure at the point of catch if not contested. Of course

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you have digs you have Davis you have the emergence of James Cook we all hope it's

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going to be James Cook season this year. So if you've and then you've got the break class

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in case of emergency Josh Allen run around the edge. You just have a not to mention one

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Mr. Latavius Murray who grew up in Damien Harris. Yeah Damien Harris love the Latavius

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Murray story grew up in Syracuse as a bills fan and has had a long career in the NFL

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is like 240 pounds and like six foot two is like this amazing sentiment of running back

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who is excellent in short yardage just like Damien Harris is Damien Harris I think 90

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80% or 90% of his NFL touchdowns his entire career within five yards of the goal line

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like that dude just power powers and then he knows how to do it. Absolutely so if it's

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third and seven or if it's second and two the Buffalo Bills have so many tools in their

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toolkit that is just is not no longer Josh Allen doing something amazing and alien like

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they've got so many reliable options that they can go to it and and can Kate is the

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piece I feel like that unlocks a lot of it because of his ability to exploit the middle

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of the field. So yeah it's it's just it's really exciting to think about now we've got

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to see it happen on the field. Yeah. But as we sit here in our theoretical posture before

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the season it it feels like this offense could be something very very dynamic this year.

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Well I'm just saying I hope for and there's nothing you can tell from preseason because

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they're not going to show their cards really and there's nothing they're going to show

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in training camp in front of the public right like but it feels like they're putting in

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the the pieces with James Cook with Dalton can Cade and then with the talent that they

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know they have on the outside with the outside receivers outside the numbers to layer the

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middle of the field because I think that was also part of the problem is you have to have

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attention to digs and Davis on the outside and that kept the safety is honest but that

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left the linebackers and corners like nickel and the linebackers to just roam and locked

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out whoever you threw it through at them in the middle and Dawson Knox wasn't doing enough

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or garnering enough attention to keep keep those players honest they were able to kind

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of bracket where they needed to. So having multiple targets and the important thing is

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going to also be Josh Allen willing to take the easy conversion pass to like the center

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of the field to just like well Tavius Murray goes sits in an empty spot that somebody is

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vacated as the slot has streaked or as Dalton Cade has cleared out and or James Cook you

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know with the little dump off yards after the catch like we really hope for that because

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like I mean every quarterback in the league that's successful does that stuff they don't

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just ignore the running back standing there waving his hands and wait for digs to come

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open on an 80 yard bomb.

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Right. Mike White is still getting contracts off that first Bengals game he had where he

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threw for 432 yards only 110 of which were actually thrown yards. Everything else was

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yak. Yeah. If I'm if I am in the the orbit of Josh Allen which I am not but if I am in

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his orbit if I'm Haley Steinfeld I'm like you know Josh. Josh yards they run for after

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they catch it still count as your yards. Yes. You don't need to throw for them all.

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Throw them all. Right. And I think the tricks in the whole thing about that.

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It all counts the same man. It all counts the same. So so so let that yak work for you.

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Take the seven take the seven yard check down and freaking let Cankade take it for another

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20 man. It all counts in the stat line at the end of the day. Absolutely. All right.

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So we've talked highly about highly about this offense and how multiple they can be.

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But as everyone who watched last season and you could argue this season before pretty

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much knows is that the Buffalo Bills offensive line needs to be the piece that coalesces

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and solidifies for a lot of the stuff to happen. Can Cade can't get the ball if Allen's on

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his back and doesn't have time to throw cook can't do the things that we think he can do

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unless his offensive line is opening up holes. So at the end of last season that offensive

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line which you you and I had been rallying all year didn't show up in that Cincinnati

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game. And what's more is they got pushed around pretty significantly and looked like quite

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frankly the weaker unit. I'm not trying to make this about like a strong man weak man

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thing. But the reality is is they were out physical to that game.

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Bring in some great additions. David Edwards, Connor McGovern and Osiris Torrance. Big

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interior and a focus on the interior offensive line. Guys that really don't have a lot of

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multiple position value which is something the bills have coveted which honestly I was

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excited about because bring in some interior whole line specialists that know how to keep

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Josh Allen clean up the middle and I'm fine. I really don't give a crap if they got versatility

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at tackle at this point we've got Ryan Bates for that. So this offensive line right now

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seems to be coalescing around Spencer Brown which I'm not a huge fan of him going unchallenged.

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But it looks like that the bills have done everything that they they can do to set the

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sky up for success. We'll see if he's successful. Ryan Rick Bates and Osiris Torrance battling

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for that right guard position. Mitch Morse anchoring down the middle. Connor McGovern

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on the left and then Deion Dawkins with David Edwards potentially playing some interior

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line backup role. And then you still have Ike Botker I think still on the roster as

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well. So depth at the interior. We're a little bit weak in the tackle. I think we still have

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Quessenberry. Yeah. Quessenberry much of the chagrin of Phil's mafia. He looks terrible

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too. Like I guess he's very very bad. He looks like he looks he looks like he's toast.

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Schnell just retired right the the signing from Miami. So we're going in with the bills

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being stronger on the interior but really weak from a depth standpoint at the tackle

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position. Dawkins you could argue is coming off maybe his worst season in a very long

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time. Spencer Brown's issues have been well documented where he started strong as rookie

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campaign faded towards the end of his first season. Last season was dealing with a back

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issue never really came on. Bills haven't brought in anyone to challenge them. There

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are rumbles that Dawkins might be finishing his career as a guard. How are we feeling

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about the offensive line right now? It was not great at the end of the season. They have

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done what they do which is throw a bunch of money at some veterans to come in and play.

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How do we feel about this offensive line right now? Long sigh is how I feel. It's it's tough

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because OK I'll say this. I feel like the signings of Connor McGovern and the signing

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of David Schell was it Schell? David Edwards, Branden Schnell and David Brandon Schell.

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Yeah, yeah. Brandon Schell, David Edwards. I think that McGovern, Schell and Edwards,

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I think those were good moves. There was no way they could anticipate that Schell who

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had started eight games last year and said, you know, at least seven or eight games from

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the past three years at tackle. There was no way they would know he's planning to retire.

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That's kind of breaking right now. I guess he's he's hanging it up. He skipped practice

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today and he's going to retire. So they didn't know that was going to happen. But I think

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it was a it was a failure on their part not to bring anybody at all into compete with Spencer

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Brown, not anybody. They have Ryan Vandermark, who was on their practice squad last year,

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and Richard Garage. And so who was an unsigned or undrafted and region Ricky Frey agent.

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So their their offensive tackle then Tommy Doyle, who played guard when he played at

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all last year and is coming off an ACL injury. Like that. It just seems like, like you said,

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they did what they always do. And the only difference I'll say is that instead of signing

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a, you know, hung it up two years ago, veteran who's in their mid to late 30s, they did get

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Roger Saffold. Yeah, like Roger Saffold. I wasn't going to name him. But yeah, Saffold

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sucked last year. He was terrible, terrible. Um, zero sex. They did. Oh my gosh, zero

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sex because the undockeds and Mitch Morris were like literally killing themselves to

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bail you out every step. Oh, freaking play. So I'm hoping that they that they changed it

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slightly and by changed it, they drafted Osiris Torrance with the top three pick and they

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signed Connor McGovern, who's only 25 or 26. Those are injections some youth. Yeah, those

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are some things that they did that I do think are show a different approach from Brandon

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Bean and they had to lay out some money for Connor McGovern. They had to lay out some

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money for Ryan Bates last offseason. And I do think that Bates is like a solid he's

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a solid guard, I think he's better at left guard than right guard. But he's a decent

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center. And I think they're very mindful of Mitch Morris getting older and had his concussion

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issues and meeting to have a reliable pivot in the end kind of in reserve. And so I do

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like some of the things they did. I think that they should have done more in terms of

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finding some tackle depth. And I really hope you know next year next year in the draft,

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my number one choice is a tackle of either side in the first round, but they're probably

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going to pick that corner or defensive middle linebacker linebacking on how the season goes.

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Yeah, right. So yeah, I think yeah, I'll say this above my final thought on the offensive

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one. I think that it has the pieces to be better this year than the entire entirety

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of last year. But that actually hinges on basically just how Spencer rounded the endockings

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are.

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Absolutely. I think I trust Connor McGovern on the inside he's a better pass blocker

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than a run blocker. But I think that's good. I'm not too worried about him pulling and

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stuff like that. I think that, you know, David Edwards is a starter on many NFL teams and

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having him as a reserve interior player is is excellent. I think that like butger is

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probably going away because of just the reports of how poorly he's looked in practice and

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how bad he looked in the you look terrible. Yeah. And so and I actually kind of liked

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Ryan Vandermark had some really, really, really bad snaps in the game when he was in at right

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tackle. But when he was in at left tackle, which he played in college, and he hadn't

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played left tack or I'm sorry, yeah, he hadn't played right tackle since like 2017 until

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that colds game and he looked really bad. And there's a lot of muscle memory and technique

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that is that changes what that feels like on left or right. And so I'm I wonder if he

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becomes the primary to the on dock because he did look way more comfortable and he held

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his own left.

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It could very well be I mean, they need something. This is where I I think in my heart of hearts,

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this thing is heading. You will you you equal the contract now two off seasons ago to keep

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Bates in Buffalo. That contract is not elite starter money that is a contract with a guy

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of Bates's versatility, because you mentioned he can play center. He can also play tackle.

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He is like the last living vestige of the old Buffalo Bills offensive line philosophy

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where everybody can do freaking everyone can play everything. Yeah, I think he's got like

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a 9.6 RS score to he's a middle league athlete. Yeah, his size and position.

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Exactly. Right. I mean, this is the stuff that they the stuff that they coveted right

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for a long time ago. A long time two, three years ago. Yes. But enter Aaron Kroemer, right

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and the limitations of the roster and who's been available in the draft and what the needs

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of this team have been. And I think what we're looking at is a scenario where Osiris Torrance

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is your starting right guard next to Spencer Brown. And your answer for tackle depth is

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Ryan Bates. I mean, it's a it's a dangerous game because like you said, if Morse goes

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down, Bates is your center and then you're back to no tackle depth. You're back to Quessenbury.

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Right. So I think if the bills I think where this might be heading and you know, Torrance

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got the start against the Colts and you can read into that if you want to first preseason

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game. What have you, but he didn't make a mistake. Like he was pretty he was pretty it was a

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pretty mundane performance and by mundane, I mean that in a good way and that there was

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no holding call. There was no false start. No one penetrated his his area of blocking

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to get to the quarterback. Like it was a solid rookie starting performance. I think if you're

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the bills, the only reason it makes sense to not challenge Spencer Brown at the tackle

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role is because you think Bates is your depth at that role. And they've made every excuse

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in the book for Brown the injuries he hasn't had a normal off season, all that kind. And

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all those things in fairness are true. It's just interesting when you look at the excuses

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that are making for Brown who is a third round pick versus the they seem to be and we'll

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talk about this in a little bit. Their first round defensive pick a couple of years ago

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and Kyar Elam they're looking for every excuse not to give that guy the job. I just can't

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figure out what the bills value as far as talent and build of the team goes because

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anyone anyone outside looking at bill expense or Brown like at the very least needs to be

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challenged challenged by a competent veteran. The bills did not go that route. So and now

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they're lacking depth on the ends. So you're relying on a DN Dawkins bounce back. And you're

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relying on a baseline performance from Spencer Brown that you've never seen before at two

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really key positions. It's a risky proposition. I'm glad they fortified the interior of that

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offensive line for the long term, but tackles at both ends to me are a really big question.

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I think we're taken for granted that Dawkins is going to bounce back as well. So everything

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is looking up for this offense except for the soft fits of line in my opinion.

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Here's a here's a crazy take. What do you think of the Buffalo bills treating? I don't

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know. Boogie Basham for Kelvin Beachham from Arizona at right tackle.

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Oh, we're going to go to the Arizona pool again. Yeah, Harry took one unwanted draft

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pick off our hands. It's a quick word. Well, will we do it again?

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Well, I mean, because because well, the reason I say this is he's like a veteran. He's dependable.

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He's not flashy. He's not he's kind of he'd be probably better than Roger Saffold in the

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same vein as a Roger Saffold, right? Like a former all pro level tackle who is at the

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end of his career was drafted in 2012. So it's been a minute, you know, and then the

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Arizona Cardinals aren't going anywhere this season. So I think generally, and I'm sure

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this is going to be a topic leading up to the trade deadline. I think generally any trade

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for Basham happens after they know what the projected return date of Von Miller is. Yeah,

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I think I think early on they need the depth because right now and this is maybe a great

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segue to talk about the defense. Yes, I think I think right now out of Rousseau and Floyd

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who who seemed to have the edges locked in. Epineza has not looked great. Basham had a

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sack, but we know what Boogie's track record is with with playing consistently. And I think

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he got in like the second quarter against the Colts second Colts second teamer. So take

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that with a big grain of salt. I just think this is a team that is lacking depth of the

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past rush right now until Miller gets back. I think Floyd is a great addition and immediately

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the best pass rush around the team. And if Rousseau does what he says he's going to do,

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which is not double digit sex this season, then I think you've got potentially a very

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scary trio of pass rushers and Floyd, Floyd, Rousseau and Miller that you can bring to

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the table. And in that scenario, yeah, Basham or Epineza are absolutely expendable. But

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I think until we know what's going on with Miller, it might be a little too early to

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speculate on Boogie Basham trade because he also brings value added at special teams

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to like unlike Epineza, Boogie can play a little bit of special teams if they need them

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to. So yeah, so I like the hypothesis, but I think I think we're probably a little ways

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away from that. Breaking news Dan is wrong and the Buffalo Bills trade Boogie Basham

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for

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Basham. Yeah, for Kelvin Beachham. JJ for Kelvin Beachham. Hey JJ. If that happens, like if

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we go to bed and in the morning that that we get that bulletin, I will send you a bottle

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of bourbon. I think I still owe you like two or four bottles of bourbon. And you owe me

489
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a wood chopping sword. I do. You owe me a wood chopping sword, which we will we will

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talk about in a later date offline. All right, so that's a great segue though into the next

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piece that we want to get to here. So

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Sean McDermott taking over for Leslie Frazier, doing a defensive play calling has built an

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interesting defensive coaching staff around him as well. So elevated Eric Washington to

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I think assistant head coach. But there's some interesting minds on this defensive on

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this defensive group. You've got Bobby badgets, Babbage, the linebacker coach who is largely

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regarded as like the next up and coming young defensive mind, maybe too young to be a full

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time play caller at this point. However, L Holcomb, who many people thought would be

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a DC candidate, or and some rumblings that you would even be a head coaching candidate.

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After his time in Carolina, senior defensive assistant. And then of course, you've got

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some of the retreads like Eric Washington, who is assistant head coach and still coaching

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the the underachieving defensive line. So a lot of interesting minds on this group. And

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then we know what the play calling chops of Sean McDermott are. So JJ, people have been

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piecing through training camp footage, media articles, the first preseason game to figure

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out what McD's defense is going to look like. And I still think, like you said, in preseason,

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no one's showing anybody anything. But there's some interesting points of contention via

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the competitions that are happening on this defense that I think are worth unpacking.

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And I think the place I want to start is cornerback to. So our second our second DB opposite of

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Trey white on the outside looks to be a pretty unabashedly open competition. You've got

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Dane Jackson, who is the new Levi Wallace that this team just simply cannot get rid

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of. All right. And it's just but this is the type of guy who late round draft pick right

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now. I think we always mess this up. We say six, we say seventh, we say undrafted. He

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was a six round draft pick. Can we solidify this? Please? Yeah. So he was a six round

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draft pick. And he's exactly the guy that this Buffalo Bills coaching staff prides themselves

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on being able to identify draft develop into what they consider to be starter quality talent.

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And there's no denying that when white went down, Jackson was maybe playing a little bit

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a little bit out in front of his skis with some of the assignments he got. But he held

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things down until white got back. But this is a dude who we know what his physical limitations

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are. We know what his limitations and coverage are. And yet the bill seemed to want to give

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this guy the starting job every year. You've got Christian Benford, who injured at the

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end injured at the early start parts of last season, I think in week four, in the mold

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of a Dane Jackson, slightly more athletic, large wingspan, great in zone coverage, late

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round draft pick, desperate to give this guy reps, he actually challenged Elam for starting

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reps at the beginning of last season, because the bills were still out on Elam. And then

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you've got the third competitor in this, Kyar Elam, your first round draft pick, the guy

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who you traded up to get after by all accounts, you want to Trent McDuffie and this chiefs

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00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,720
traded up and swept him away from you, right? So you panic and you take Elam, who is an

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athletic specimen, he really has, he really had a similar draft profile to Trey White

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coming out of college. Trey White was billed as pretty much an aggressive physical man

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cover corner, who then as a result of his technique developed into a tactician in zone

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coverage for the Buffalo Bills. Elam, they were hoping would take the similar, take a

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similar trajectory. But again, unlike Spencer Brown, who was getting all the opportunities

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one could ask for to start despite tape that tells you this guy can't do it, Elam, who

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at the end of last season put some really impressive film out there is in a competition

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with two late round draft picks, one coming off an injury with only four weeks starting

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experience. And then the other who is a really known quantity. What is this a commentary on

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00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:19,520
Elam? Is this a commentary on McDermott's coaching philosophy? What are the takeaways

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00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:26,320
here JJ of the CB two competition? So I think it's a I think it's a commentary

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on both. I think that it can't be one without the other because it is Elam because the problem

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that they're having is that Elam is not presenting them with the reliable option that they had

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when they had, you know, other late round CBs that, you know, were athletically underperforming

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like Levi Wallace, Dan Jackson, etc. Christian Benford. So underwhelming athletic specimens

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who are reliable, good ballplayers with good instincts who are willing to stick their nose

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in there on run support. That is really what McDermott values. He would love that to be

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somebody who is also an elite shut down quarter. And he has that intraday via soy. And I think

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that like you said, I think that they didn't have the guy they wanted. So they picked the

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next option down on their list in the first round when they got higher Elam just seems

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like that's the case, especially with the way that they're they postured his place in

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the depth chart. I don't think that he does the things that they want him to do the way

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he wants to do them. And they McDermott's philosophy, this is also Frazier's philosophy

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is to minimize, you know, harm to the team. And I think Elam style is too aggressive.

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I mean, he got flagged in the in the game against the Colt, the preseason game, he had

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kind of nasty unnecessary pass interference, because he didn't need to grab the player

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at the top of his route. I think he's not confident in his own abilities and coverage.

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So he tends to get grabby. And I think that that they see that the coaching staff sees

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that and they're like, Well, he is the best press corner we have on this team. But he

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is too aggressive, too physical, and kind of feels like he's, he's losing a rep. So

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he starts to grab and grasp, and they don't want to put that in on the field. Because

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a passing interference call can change the entire course of the game in a tight shootout

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with the chiefs, for instance, Kairi Elam getting a, you know, a PI and then moving

560
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:31,520
down to the five yard line is almost a go ahead score when you have Travis Kelsey at

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Patrick Mahomes, right? So it's really, I think that's it. I think it's just they don't

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count on him and the, you know, the best ability, the reliability and availability. And, you

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know, he's not presenting them with somebody they can trust. And that's what they care

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about.

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Yeah, him and digs got into it early on in camp too, because for the, the, that very

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reason that Elam was getting really handsy and really grabby with digs, digs was like,

567
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,360
no, dude, you're, you're, you're coming close to hurting me like you need to back the F

568
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up. So, so, but that, that was also his profile coming out of college as well. And I, the

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Buffalo Bills defense has been stable and solid over the last three seasons under McDermott

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and under Frazier. They are pretty much top three in every metric that you can identify.

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But the reality is that they lose to good QB play it in the postseason every year, because

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the defense is pretty vanilla and it's pretty simple and Dane Jackson is pretty vanilla

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and pretty simple when it comes to his coverage. He is a known quantity opposite Trey White.

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And if you run someone like Jackson out of there out there, I mean, in fairness, opposing

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QBs are going to challenge whoever is on the opposite side of Trey White.

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Yeah, right. So maybe there is a world where the rationale dictates that at least with Jackson,

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you know, he's not going to take those PIs and he's not going to lose this cool. But

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we also know that he's going to get exploited more often than not. I think his, his, the

579
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completion rate last year on targets in Dane Jackson's general direction is like 69%.

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00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,880
Yeah. Like, yeah, it's just, I mean, it's as bad. That's bad.

581
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,280
It's just bad when I've got a seven out of 10 chance of completing a pass on you. That's

582
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bad. I'm just gonna throw it.

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Throw it. Right.

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So I guess to me is it's between. So if Elam is really a sunk cost at this point and you

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00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,560
feel like you've wasted the draft pick, do you want to take the chance that he can maybe

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00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,280
do something spectacular to turn a game around for you like he did at the end of last season

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and in the post season last year? Or do you want to lose the same old way you've always

588
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:50,720
lost? Like I just I don't get it sometimes, right? I don't get it. You know the outcome

589
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:56,080
if you put Dane Jackson out there. You are relatively certain, you know the outcome with

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00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:02,120
Kyrie Elam, but there is still a ceiling that is undiscovered with him that to me, I think

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is worth the risk, but I'm not on this coaching, I'm not on this coaching staff. So I don't

592
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know. I would not want to lose in the same way every single season to do the same thing

593
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,440
over and over again and expected of a different result is the definition of insanity. And

594
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:22,560
Dane Jackson is just the insanity that we can't quit. Like it's got to be Elam tonight.

595
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:29,440
Can I just got to be, can I spread some positivity on this situation? By all means. Okay, so

596
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:36,520
here's here's I'm going to make a case for giving Dane Jackson the chance or keeping

597
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:42,320
him in here is here's what I'll say. We know that Tredavius White at this point in his

598
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:47,560
return from injury is more like the Trey White that that they expected to have last year

599
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:52,520
when he came back here that they hope would return. And that's been all intensive purposes

600
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,640
reported from anybody who's on the Buffalo beat in the media that Trey White looks like

601
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,160
Trey White and he didn't any time last year, right? Because he was still kind of getting

602
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,160
back at his feeding, getting his feet on him again. But I'll say this. So if you have

603
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:10,920
Trey White back to 100% and you have Dane Jackson opposite, worst case scenario, Elam

604
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,120
doesn't come through, they can't trust him, whatever happens, happens. You have Dane Jackson

605
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,760
or Christian Benford, who I actually like a little better than Dane Jackson. He's got

606
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,520
a little bit of of athletic upside over Dane Jackson. And he has a really good nose for

607
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:29,360
the football. And so I could see if it's not Kairi Elam, I might not be as disappointed

608
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:36,680
if it's Christian Benford. And the way I think this could work is the same thing over and

609
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:42,560
over, same way getting beat the same way. That was Leslie Frazier's defense beast on

610
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,880
all the observations that people have made and even some stuff that we saw in the first

611
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,640
half against the Colts where the first teamers are out there. McDermott is going to be quite

612
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:59,120
a bit more aggressive with his defensive line, his stunts and his linebackers. And I really

613
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:05,120
hope that that can make the difference because you cannot sit back in passive coverage with

614
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,520
Dane Jackson. I agree with that point. You cannot sit back and say the defense is the

615
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:15,040
defense like we always use on the show. The defense is the defense that'll work and it's

616
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:22,920
a regular season defense and then it, you know, wilts against top, top opportunity and competition.

617
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,040
That's not going to work. But it will work if you're more aggressive on the front. And

618
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:32,000
I think that's what you can count on with with Sean McDermott calling the place. Because

619
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:38,920
that's when sub par defenders in the back end come up with interceptions because there's

620
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,480
hurried rush throws. There's a lot of business around the line and that gives you an extra

621
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,320
opportunity to kind of get in there, make something happen. And I think that that's really what

622
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,760
we need to focus on is if they can get more pressure and we think this past rush is going

623
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:58,640
to be quite a bit better, then coverage is easier for somebody who doesn't have the elite

624
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:10,120
skills like me. Yeah, no, I mean, it's a it's a sound argument. I and Benford would feel

625
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:15,600
like the happy medium, the happy in between between Elam, who seems to be a really like

626
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:21,920
we said about Shakir, boomer bust at this point versus Jackson, who is as we have said,

627
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,400
vanilla ice cream when it comes to his play style, right? And you're right. A lot of it

628
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,160
is going to depend on what they do up front. If you're going to be more aggressive and

629
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:37,880
you're going to shorten that coverage window where guys need to stick to stick to the opposing

630
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:47,000
wide outs, then yes, I absolutely think that works. But Jackson's coverage wasn't holding

631
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,720
up last year and I get the tray white point. I do I it's a point well taken. But his his

632
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:59,920
time in coverage was shorter last year than it was the previous two seasons. So opposing

633
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:05,160
players figured out a way or figured out what his tendencies were, and we're breaking his

634
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:10,720
coverage patterns way earlier on reps than normal. So if you're getting a quick release

635
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:15,760
off of Jackson, I don't know. I don't know that any amount of blitzing or penetration

636
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,800
in the backfield is going to help keep you keep your your secondary sound when you've

637
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:27,120
got a guy who's a liability in those situations. I don't know, right? It's it's I mean, it's

638
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:32,160
not like Jackson is locking down like locking down coverage for three or four seconds at

639
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:37,720
a time, he gets beat relatively relatively quickly at this stage of his career. So again,

640
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:41,600
that's why I'm like, it's a roll of the dice, but see what you got with the alone. But I

641
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,600
I don't know that there are any good answers here. I think people are again, taking for

642
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:51,360
granted that with poyer and hide back in the safety roll together again, that they'll clean

643
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:57,000
up a lot of mistakes that they have for the secondary in the past. And you and I both

644
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:03,840
noted that with poyer on the field last year, it wasn't just Dane Jackson, who's play improved,

645
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,960
but it was also Taryn Johnson. Because when those guys are out there, they really really

646
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:13,160
are the deodorant on a lot of missteps for that secondary. But hide is coming off an

647
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:18,600
injury poyer, who is just an absolute warrior is coming off an injury riddled season. They're

648
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:24,160
both a year older at this point. Poyer towards the end of season because the injuries looked

649
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:29,200
like he lost a step. I think we're taking for granted that the roof on this house is

650
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,080
in solid condition at this point. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I think as a result,

651
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:39,400
there is a temptation at a complacency to roll Dane Jackson out there. And I think I

652
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:44,120
think there needs to be a different way of thinking. But again, Elon might not be the

653
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:50,240
guy. You got to stop grabbing people. You've got to show consistency on raw coverage. And

654
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,560
whatever you want to say about Jackson, he doesn't do those things. Right? He does the

655
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,600
opposite of those things. And I could see an argument for him as a result of that. I

656
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:05,600
just, I just can't I can't lose the same way every year. Oh, like, it's exhausting.

657
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:10,680
It's exhausting. I just can't do it. I just can't do it. Yeah. A couple other areas I

658
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,480
want to talk about this defense really quickly is the front, the front four pass rush, which

659
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,560
we've already talked a little bit about at Oliver getting a contract extension. Yeah,

660
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:27,360
I think which surprised definitely surprised me. We had said heading into the draft that

661
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:34,240
what they do, particularly in the third round, if they go for like a guy like Eka out of

662
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:40,840
Baller who who Cleveland ended up drafting in the third round on a compensatory pick.

663
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:47,520
But if they go for a really traditional one one tech to sit near Oliver, that tells you

664
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:52,720
they're going to sign them. Well, they didn't do that. So I thought Oliver was out the door,

665
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,080
but they sign them and then they bring in Poon of Ford, which I think is an inspired

666
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,120
pick. And you've got to Quan Jones, who's going to be a year older also holding it down

667
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:07,560
next to Oliver. Is that enough to you on an interior defensive line that at times disappeared

668
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:12,640
last year? Is that going to be enough to solidify and anchor this line?

669
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:20,320
Yes. And I think that for I am shocked by your answer. Okay. Welcome to JJ's positivity

670
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:24,480
corner. All right, let's talk about it. And this is not I don't think this is baseless

671
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,800
at all. I think that the reports largely are that at Oliver looks like a man on fire coming

672
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:36,720
out here this year with preparation. He even said so in his like post signing his contract

673
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,600
press conference that he basically wanted to prove everyone wrong that he was worth

674
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:46,040
at, you know, every dollar and he wanted to kind of turn his career into something special.

675
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,240
And that's cool. And that's all talk. And I think he has the capacity to do that. I

676
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:56,240
think a lot of the interior defensive line was dinged up last year. And there are four

677
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:01,720
players that I'm excited to see play in this interior that's at Oliver DePuan Jones, Tim

678
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,720
Settle and Poonaford. Tim Settles having a hell of a preseason.

679
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,600
That's the other piece of it is I think Tim Settle underperformed pretty substantially.

680
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:14,720
I think they might have renegotiated his contract. They restructured. They restructured him.

681
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,920
Yeah. So like they restructured him over the off season. I'm pretty sure it was one of

682
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,120
those deals where they said you're not going to have a roster spot if you don't take this

683
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:27,400
deal. And you know, here's a chance for you to earn more money or your money backed by

684
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:33,680
performance incentives and get less of a cap hit for us. And I think he accepted that deal.

685
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,720
And I think it looks like he's motivated to come out. He's got a year of this in the system.

686
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,720
He understands what he's doing. And the reason I think that the interior will perform well,

687
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,760
and I know we'll talk about the ends. But I think that the reason that I have hope for

688
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:54,360
them is because they did enough in terms of signing Leonard Floyd in terms of Greg Rousseau

689
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:59,120
also looking excellent. I mean, it was it was largely reported that the Sheds wasn't

690
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:03,200
letting the offense even get in good practice reps because they were just shutting everything

691
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,800
down immediately. So I have a lot of hope that events like as you mentioned has been,

692
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,920
you know, a top performer of the league year over year with Leslie Frazier, Sean McDermott

693
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:19,480
as a defensive coordinator has put out a top defense, Super Bowl contending defense in

694
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:25,360
years past. So I think that I'm not worried about the defensive line, and I'm not worried

695
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:30,120
about the defensive interior. I hope that von Miller is back sooner rather than later.

696
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,320
I think it's probably going to be week six, like most people think it's going to be after

697
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:39,280
they get back from London. And that's fine. I think that really the most important games

698
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:44,000
from von Miller to play in are the ones in December and January and forward hopefully

699
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:49,000
in February. But but yeah, I'm not worried about defensive defensive and massively worried

700
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:55,040
about the middle linebacker. But we'll talk. Yeah, let's so let's talk about that then.

701
01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:02,320
What are they going to do with middle linebacker? I like I don't have a big wind up for it.

702
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:08,040
Like they they used to third round pick on Dorian Williams from Tulane, who seems to

703
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:14,960
be more the profile of like a Matt Milano backup than a true middle linebacker. They

704
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:24,480
sign Tyler Rapp Taylor in the off Taylor Rapp in the off season. Yeah. And then there

705
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:30,040
are rumblings and preseason that they're going to roll out a lot of dime and that Poyer is

706
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,800
actually going to play up in the box or rat may play up in the box and they might just

707
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,320
eliminate the middle linebacker. I don't know what they're doing. They've got Bale

708
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:44,560
Inspector, they've got Trell Bernard, who they could roll out there at middle linebacker.

709
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:49,160
They weren't super impressed with Bernard. Also another third round pick that they made

710
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,760
two drafts ago. I just don't understand. I just generally don't understand what the

711
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,360
bills have been doing with third round draft picks lately. Let me put it that way. Now

712
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:04,000
in fairness, Williams is is a missile sideline to sideline. But he really is in the profile

713
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,920
athletically of what they ask Matt Milano to do. And it's nice to have some depth behind

714
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,000
Milano who has struggled with some injuries over the past couple of seasons. But that's

715
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,840
not the gaping hole that you have in your defense. It's a middle linebacker. Now you

716
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:22,480
and I both agreed that this was a terrible middle linebacker draft, generally speaking,

717
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:28,200
and that the bill should not use an early draft round pick on it. We both felt they

718
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:35,080
should have gone the vet route and free agency. Your best guess who is starting next to Matt

719
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:40,200
Milano and our base nickel defense to start the season?

720
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:46,600
I think it's going to be Terrell Dodson. And I think it's going to be I think it's going

721
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:52,600
to be a package situation. I honestly believe that, you know, the starter by definition

722
01:03:52,600 --> 01:04:00,120
is going to be Terrell Dodson. But I would not be surprised to see like in certain situations

723
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:06,080
to Reyl Bernard or Dorian Williams come in in that spot next to me on Milano. And I also

724
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:11,760
I also think that dime packages, that's a real thing. I think that the Taylor rap signing

725
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:19,760
was a insurance kind of against no against losing tremendous they tremendous was going

726
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,640
early in, you know, free agency and they knew that was happening moving over to Chicago

727
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:29,160
on the deal that they signed him to. And so Taylor rap is really, you know, it's somebody

728
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:34,720
you can bring in into those kind of roles, get muddy in the middle. Because they know

729
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:40,520
having stuck in nickel for almost every snap for the past three years with Tara Johnson,

730
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:45,800
that a scrappy enough, you know, defensive back down there can get it done in the in

731
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,800
the run. And so I think that that's what they're going to do. I think probably you're going

732
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:57,000
to see middle linebacker snaps on this defense are going to go down substantially. I think

733
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,680
game to game, you're going to see an actual middle linebacker on the field in a lower

734
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:06,960
proportion of steps than we've probably ever seen. So it's coming to me and Edmunds came

735
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,920
in as a rookie took that took that spot was here for five years, you know, and then that

736
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:19,120
was that. So yeah, I, I think your analysis is is pretty spot on. I there's been a lot

737
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:23,920
of lauding of Bill Belichick for his draft defensively and some of the free agent signings

738
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:29,920
they've made, because he's got a lot of tweeners on the roster. He's got a lot of guys that

739
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:36,220
could be linebackers, could be safeties, could be DBs, but no one really knows. And the thinking

740
01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:40,360
behind that is that Belichick is going to run the Amoeba defense of all time, where

741
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:45,400
you just never know where coverage is coming from and the past rush is coming from. And

742
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,320
actually think the wrap signing was a big indication early on that the bills needed

743
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:55,760
to get a little bit more multiple on defense as well. It's a team that offensively and

744
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:00,400
defensively had become really simplistic towards the end of last season and pretty easy to

745
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,720
figure out. They addressed it, I think in spades on the offensive end, save for the

746
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:10,960
tackle position. And on the defensive end, I think you put McDermott's innate creativity

747
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,400
as a defensive play caller with some of these unique personnel packages that they can run

748
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:20,840
out there. And I think what RAP and Williams give you are elements that you have not had

749
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:28,160
in this defense in a long time, which is chess pieces that bring speed to the table as well.

750
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,560
And this is something I think back way back when when you and I were arguing for JOK to

751
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:37,800
get drafted, we're like, this is what this dude could be. This guy could be a chess piece

752
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:42,000
that you put around the field. One of those tweeners where you really don't know where

753
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:47,000
he's lining up and where he's lining up is indicating to you that just has raw sideline

754
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:52,320
to sideline speed. And in that vein, I liked the Williams draft pick, though I thought

755
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:58,360
it was maybe not the best use of a third rounder. But I could at least see the rationale behind

756
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:04,040
it, which is we're going to have a couple of guys who are going to line up non traditionally

757
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:08,480
and use an offense and as a QB pre and post snap, we're going to have to figure out where

758
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:13,880
they're coming from. And I think that's a great look in a nice added multiple wrinkle

759
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:19,080
that this bill's defense is sorely, sorely needed for a very long time.

760
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:24,480
Well, and I think it's also I mean, it's when you mentioned Bill Belichick, it's like

761
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,720
Kyle Duggar, right? Like a draft crush from a couple of years ago. It's how many guys

762
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,280
can we get between six feet and six feet to between 200 and 220 pounds, who are fastest

763
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:40,840
crap and can lay a lay lumber from from long range, but also not completely falter and

764
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,720
coverage. Let's get a bunch of those guys and stick them out there because it's an offensive

765
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:50,560
league. It's a throwing league. It's more important somebody can can hold up in coverage

766
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,520
than it is that they can take on a guard one on one in a blocking situation, right? Like

767
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:59,440
or, you know, beat the block situation. So it's not likely that guards are going to be

768
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:04,800
that effective more than eight feet, eight yards down the field. So like, it's there's

769
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,040
the guards who can get 12 plus yards down the field and effectively blocking space are

770
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,920
few and far between. So let's get a bunch of super fast guys who can work their way

771
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:19,280
around any of that mess and get in for the tackle. So I like it. I think that you're

772
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,560
right. They're going to be multiple. I think that like you said, Sean, with your miscreativity

773
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:28,520
is what they're going to have to lean on because there is a hole in middle linebacker. Nobody

774
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:33,960
they have is somebody I would consider an above average or even average NFL starting

775
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:41,040
caliber middle linebacker on this roster. I think we're going to miss admins and run

776
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:46,280
run stopping for sure. And just the amount of space he took up in coverage. But I think

777
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,800
the trade off for that again is we're going to get a little bit of we're going to get

778
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:54,960
be able to add a little bit of deception to the pre snap determinations that some of these

779
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:59,000
QBs are making. So we'll see what McDermott does. We'll see it's all in the execution.

780
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,920
We'll see how it pays off. But it has been it's been interesting nonetheless. And there's

781
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:08,720
going to be more breadcrumbs to follow before before game one against the New Jersey Jets.

782
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:14,760
All right, so let's let's let's land this thing. Shall we let's let's talk about reasons

783
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:19,880
why the bills will and won't contend for a Super Bowl this season. So JJ in the best

784
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:29,080
of all possible worlds, the Buffalo Bills will contend for a Super Bowl if what happens.

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They will contend for a Super Bowl if Josh Shannelin has a six has a healthy season and

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passes for over 5000 yards. I think oh wow, yeah, that's quite the qualifier. Yeah, I

787
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think that's true though, because that I feel the only way he gets there is if he's distributing

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the ball to so many different targets that he's meeting that condition you mentioned

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at the beginning of the pod, which is when he when he hits more than seven, you know,

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past catchers in a game, bills have won 100% of those times. So yeah, I mean, there it's

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a it's a pretty stacked record when he can play point guard in that way. That's interesting,

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the 5000 yard thing, you know, I think the Buffalo Bills contend. I think all of those

793
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things are true and they need to happen. But I think they rely on the offensive line being

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better this year. I think and I think the bills are literally an offensive line away

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from contending for a Super Bowl legitimately. What did we see at the end of last season?

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The two best offensive lines arguably in the league duking it out in the Super Bowl, the

797
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Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs. And those are teams that have invested drafted

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on the Eagles. It seems like they draft offensive and defensive linemen pretty much every year.

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And then the Chiefs have gone the free mix of the free agent and draft route and hit

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on some really amazing picks like our coveted Creed Humphrey. Yes. Yes. The one that got

801
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away. The one that got away. Oh, Creed, please. What what we could have done together, Creed,

802
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what we could have done together. Yeah. Please come, please come back. So I think the bills

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can be can contend in the regular season as is. But I think if they're going to reach

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that level, reach the promised land, so to speak, we have seen the type of offensive

805
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line play that you need. And if they win, the bills offensive line is going to have

806
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to ascend to that. So on the flip side, if the Buffalo, if the Buffalo Bills are not

807
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contending for a Super Bowl, I have two reasons why they wouldn't. One would be the offensive

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line if it's just the same old same old that we got last year. But here's my second reason.

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And it's one that I don't think enough of us are talking about the age of the defense.

810
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So we've talked about some of the young guys, right? At Oliver is 25, Punefort, I think

811
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is only 27. Russo is going into his third season, his third full season this year. Yes.

812
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So I think he's 24, I want to say, right? Like that. Jordan Poyer, who I will worship

813
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forever 32, coming off an injury riddled season. Micahide 32, coming off an injury riddled

814
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season. Trey White, I believe is 29 at this point. He's 29 is 30. He's almost 30. A.J.

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Klein, who may be your Tremaine Edmonds replacements, no, sitting is sitting there at 32 years old.

816
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Jordan Phillips, 30 years old. Leonard Floyd, 30, not to mention Von Miller, who I think

817
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turns 34 in the middle of the season. Yeah. Yeah. It's it is a long 17 game season and

818
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the bills have struggled with injuries on both sides of the ball. The age relative age

819
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of this defense is older compared to other teams in the league. There is a value to that

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type of veteran leadership, but there is also a risk. We saw the risks last year. And many

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of these guys are one year older than they were last year. So I think if the Buffalo

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Bills don't contend this year, it's for two reasons. Offensive line plays exactly like

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it did last year. And age finally catches up to some of these veteran leaders on this

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team. Yeah, I think that that's a concern. You know, who's not old. A.R.E.L.M. He's 22.

825
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Thank you. You know, now you're. Yeah, Dan Jackson's what he's 27 going to be 28 in the

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middle of the season, right? Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Thank you for getting on the. Thank you

827
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for engaging in ageism and getting on the Kyrie Lomband wagon. Well, because I mean,

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that's just that's what, you know, that's something I recently learned that like he's

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younger than like some of the bills draft picks from this this rookie draft. Yeah. And

830
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it's just like, so no, I Kyrie Lomb. Yeah. But yeah, no, I think that I agree with you

831
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because I think that the story of a season for any contender can all almost always a

832
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chapter of that story is about injuries. It's about who are the key contributors that they

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lost if they were expecting to help them compete for the championship. And, you know, last

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year for us, that was a story of Micahide. That was a story of, you know, the awful thing

835
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that happened to Marhamlin, right? Like, and so that was a story of losing, you know, the

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best Spencer Brown could have because he was battling a back injury at surgery on his spine

837
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over the summer, right? Like a.

838
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Von Miller ACL. Von Miller ACL. A tridivus weight coming back from an ACL. Like there's

839
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so many little wrinkles there and that does not get better with an aggregate old team.

840
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It only gets worse.

841
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No, I can speak from experience of aging ungracefully that it's only harder to operate

842
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on a day to day basis as you get older. Your health, no matter the level of training does

843
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not improve as you get older and take those hits on the field. So, yep. So yeah, I don't

844
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think we I don't think we're talking enough about it. I think we're taking for granted

845
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that McDermott's going to scheme something up, but it's a it is an aging defense. And

846
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it's it's the last ride for a lot of these guys, sadly, right with this team more than

847
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likely. So you're hoping it turns out more positive, but yeah, on an exceptionally positive

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note, pod number one, we're back season in the books, man. We are back, baby. We are

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back. Awesome. All right, so we're going to do this thing weekly for those of you listening

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at home. Next week, we're going to preview the division a little bit. The AFC East or

851
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AFC Beast is some people are calling it these days. We'll break down the New Jersey Jets,

852
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Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots. We'll also give you a little bit of a recap of the

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Bill's most recent preseason game camp rumblings and some more predictions. Sure to go wrong

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for the start of the season. So for those of you listening at home, please listen wherever

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you get your podcasts, Google Apple and Spotify. And as always, go Bill's. Go Bill's.