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I have gotten tender Duty working on ansible and I cannot tell you how proud I am of that I've spent all day on it in
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the last few days on it and it's just fantastic
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[Music] hello and welcome to game of nodes a
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weekly podcast on the cosmos from independent validator teams and immediately before I think we went live
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with that Yousef was saying like ah without null here how's this how's this
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rugging going to play out today and then shortly just started saying something really wholesome so it's like right
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press the press the button let's go let's do it um so yeah welcome to game of nodes
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we're we are this is the first episode number This Is 50 isn't it because we missed
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one this is it although we did 2.5 didn't we so I think that's right we did do 2.5 that's correct so this is this is
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really 51. this is really 51. so nearly been a year we've nearly been doing this a year uh and this is the first one that
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null has is not on um he's in he's uh he's in the Land of
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the Rising Sun he still hasn't worked out how to use the toilet it's been two and a half days he's stuck in there he
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sent he sent us a a message the group chat saying
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it's the toilets locked me in it's become self-aware how do I get out don't
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help I don't know how to call 9-1-1 yeah what's the Emergency Services number yeah it's Australian abroad you know uh
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you can't take them anywhere sorry wrong I've just met his Rams in the chat um but yeah
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okay so um we've we've not got any guests today so we're just going to cover off some of
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the some of the things we've been doing in the week as you've already heard from sure policy it's maintenance week apparently it is maintenance week that's
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true yes maintenance week well really it's I should be updating my website and I want to do anything about that me too
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so I've been doing absolutely literally everything but that and what that looks like right now is doing all my
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monitoring over again for no apparent reason so you an symbolize tender Duty 2 so you had supplies the docker structure
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or what did you answer wise oh yeah I got everything rolling so now it'll just input everything for you so like if you
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add a new network using ansible it'll just fire it up like the new chain config and rerun Docker for you so just
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set up and go it's amazing so your your answer you're finding the show address
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key are you finding the valcon right oh actually intended to it's the veloper right so you're doing that you're
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pulling that automatically and you're and you're well IPS and all that stuff or what are you doing IPS are done automatically yeah but it's
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squinting a little bit for the developer address right now right now uh that is that I'm just entering in manually I'll
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I'll get around to that eventually but that's doable I mean we could query the node for it and whatever else right that's possible yeah yeah that's good I
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I'm still using actually that's not true I'm not still using I went back to Tender Duty one
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um just really for this issue I I kind of Polk and I were talking about this a while ago and like he's like I just like the Simplicity of it and blah blah which
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I kind of agree with um the only issue is just really understand when that Services is not up uh because I'm basically running
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Individual Services for each chain and it works really well like obviously it communicates that it's it's very stable
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uh just a matter of of knowing like when those things are when the actual like the tenderly service has to be running
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for it to be to be accessible right so that's the only thing I would do some service monitoring but that's about it
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I mean that's the main benefit of tender Duty version two right is that if you hear an alarm go off you check your
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website real quick you're like I'm not missing any blocks I'm going to sleep yeah yeah and I mean still I mean
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I get the alert and pager do so you know which like which chain is the issue but if the service is down
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um yeah agreed so now I'm starting to monitoring the service which is which is fine just like monitors on top of monitors layers
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so I mean when I said maintenance I was also actually mainly talking about the mustache but but like I'm glad we talked
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about tender Duty that was cool uh is that do you find do you find like uh
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you're missing fewer blocks with the mustache in its current state I think we all know the answer to that
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is yes obviously the longer it gets the fewer blocks I
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miss that's true that's pretty impressive um so yeah you heard it here first get mustache on the go that's going to help
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your up time validators uh I was just mourning actually before the before the
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show started um that I think we're going to unbond
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our validator on Juno that is needlecast um because it's a a wee bit of a
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conflict of interest in some ways now to be running a validator um and also be represented on um
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or the core one group which is a bit of a shame because like you know Juno is like a well I guess Stargate was Rog
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um but we've been very very picky we've actually only done a few chains um so it does like massively reduce our
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footprint of chains but we're only running like four or five to be like well the biggest one we're just gonna turn that [ __ ] off
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um yeah so am I still out on the podcast is that I do have to bail from the Pod am I
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no longer a real validator if I drop below like a critical mass of chains uh I think the more important question is
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who are you going to stick to with your huge Juno bag that's it who are you gonna tell our our swath of listeners of
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who just wow uh it's gonna be obviously a pool um a Ponzi is that a collective noun of
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validators uh it's gonna be a Ponzi of validators is that many validators as a Ponzi
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though he said yeah you know it's gonna be it's gonna be a circle stake of valid that's that's the collective noun isn't
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it it's good I'm going to delegate to a circle stake of validators of my of my choosing
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um no but what the thing is I I think actually as well we uh we also have a delegation from the delegation style uh
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well it would have been a pre-delegation style I guess um because obviously we've worked on Juno a lot and stuff like that
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and I guess that will disappear so there's a whole bunch of stuff obviously as a company we have we have some funds
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and stuff so we'll we'll spray them around we'll spread them around but yeah I think we'll think we will
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be we'll be pulling like basically um uh some people will know that uh I'm
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imminently having a small ban and therefore a lot of other things a lot of
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other admin is currently on fire for lack of attention and one of the things I need to do is actually put together a
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blog post about uh join the core one group and and our plan to undergo it put
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a time put a time around it so people have the time have them have an opportunity to you know not get
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rugged by us turning off the validator ETC um and in the chat says jigs runs is in
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in the Dow Dao Valdez which is true that was a little bit of separate project but that's right well the dial ones actually run by the
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dowdow Dao isn't it like as in it's it the validator is managed by the Dao well
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Francis G1 Jack has Strangelove so could you and Robert says you could probably elect
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to not have Foundation delegation which is true you could get rid of the foundation but run it could keep the battle
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yeah I don't know ah it I don't know I
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feel like so Damian Jake don't and I think that's the right thing to do yeah no I agree
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I think it's the right moral decision to be able to do that I don't think it's a good bit so this is the thing like split
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brain like you're like okay as a business like we probably should try and keep it riding yeah however like we are
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also like I am as a representative of needle cast also
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as a business also sort of it's it's weird there's a thing with
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blockchains it's all kind of the the company versus individual especially for validators right for all of us where we
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also run a small business it's very muddy what somebody's saying hey can you
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individual person do this thing or can you your business support this thing right of which you are just an avatar
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for a factory in the business yeah and then what constitutes a conflict of interest in that case
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is a bit unclear and it's Russia clock according to your uh according to your clock there
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because it is 21-12 wow um no I I think it's it's your decision
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to make I do think that like taking Foundation delegation probably doesn't make any sense and that I think that would be a conflict of interest running
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a validator I don't think is a conflict of interest like I don't know if anybody's delegating to you because you're on core one like I think you'd
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probably lose more delegations I mean I think we lost enough delegation
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during prop 16 that there's no yeah exactly there's no there's no risk of us becoming the people's champion at this
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point uh I don't think anybody's gonna hold it over your head to say Hey you know you should not be receiving or you know you should not be running a vowel
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because as as null points out who's who's actually more talkative not on the show than he is on the show
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um in our in our chat that he's pointing at you be the literally the only core version or the only core member not running a validator which is which is is
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that true I thought Max was joining core One Max is not running a validator there you go yeah yeah there you go so okay A
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little bit of exception yeah yeah but Max is like the platonic ideal of good
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morals in the cosmiverse so if Max isn't running a validator then you should seek to be more like Max I would say I think
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that's right yep um but yeah we'd still have like a big honking massively overpowered box lying
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around so I I think we we've already moved a lot of those boxes off of AWS and certainly the backup so yeah I guess
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maybe we just convert it to an RPC so at least we have to like follow the progress of mainnet uh would make sense
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and we actually need to provision some stuff for Hal anyway so possibly it'd be it'd be you know the
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king is dead long live the whole RPC did someone block no
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listen you can't you can't span the chat for 25 minutes and then but but decide
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not to show up like that it deleted all of his messages five minutes this is five minutes
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if it doesn't come back on that'd be hilarious sitting in a bed somewhere in Japan on
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his phone just fuming cursing me out so what is your day-to-day going to look
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like being part of core one now because my imagining of what your day-to-day right now is basically wrangling test
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net validators and calling us all fools yeah so what's going to change you're still going to call everyone fools but
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now it's going to be testnet and mainnet balloted I basically just changed the group in
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which I [ __ ] but it's that's that's that's that's literally it um no well so so
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obviously also because we've been planning life changes and a variety of other things like I've been doing less
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um development on the on the actual binary side of things I think that's also because I think as as discussed
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before I just I don't have a big Affinity with the go programming language and it doesn't spark Joy so I
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think that's something that I've done because it was necessary rather than because it was enjoyable obviously care
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about you know care about the platform Etc so like the biggest thing that's actually changing is that
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I'm I guess taking on what so we there's some things we want to do with you know
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in terms of the structure of the dev team and the way stuff gets done which hopefully will change over time and
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that's more strategic and that's more maybe going like back to the stuff that I've done in more corporate Contracting
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setting whatever like starting up Dev teams helping people scale out that kind of stuff
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um as opposed to actual devdev um so there's like that strategic stuff will change and then yeah I'll probably
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still be helping out validators and stuff but again I've handed over some of that uh I've
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been working with Reese quite a bit like to hand over some of that just so because there is there is a process and
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this is I think a thing a lot of people don't kind of understand is that not only is there a process in my head but
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it's actually written in the Juno repo there's like a covenant with validates about how we do releases and how we communicate it and that sort of stuff
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and just like kind of transferring some of that knowledge over to other people in the team so that when as imminently
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is going to be the case um I'm not gonna be around for a few weeks other than on pager Duty
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um yeah people know what to do essentially in a way that validates it because we've had it in the past where
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because I think validators are quite aware of like roughly what the Covenant is I will give you 24 hours for this and
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if there's a emergency security upgrade we'll do this and if we do this like we've had it where things have been
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communicated in outside of that pattern and validators have literally then dm'd
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me or DME or Jake or whoever and said hey I've been told this this but I actually don't believe it and then we've
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had to go no no it's like so dragonberry was an example of because that happening quite people heard it from a number of different angles because it affected
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multiple chains we had to actually play a bit of like in some cases people were like is this real
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because it's been communicated to us in a different way and so then we were like oh no no it is real but we're actually
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going to communicate it slightly differently from how we normally would so it's all that kind of a lot of hits like process stuff honestly
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um it's it's it's not very glamorous but that's that's I guess like
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um no but needed right I mean it's going to add you want to add maturity to the chain and you want to add maturity to
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the communication and you want to build some processes that are repeatable and like they're like
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some of the not professionalism that's not really the right term but like as as time goes on the maturity needs to go
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along with that right and the processes are like how we act and how we communicate and all those types of things I think that would I think you're
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that's a good it's a good benefit to core what yeah I mean I think that's the the goal isn't it really yeah is this
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one of those cases I'm imagining the code of if someone wants to roll then you probably don't want them to be a ruler
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is this a case where you're kind of like being a martyr by taking the position do
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you want to be in core one or are you just being voted in yeah uh
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yeah um yeah I mean like so look I care about
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you know we're very as a business and individually we're very very invested in the chain right so but you know as the
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old saying guys it's better to be in the tent pissing out than outside pissing in right so that that's the that's the pragmatist
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view on the situation the the I mean you know I would be I think lying if I said that I didn't have to go away and think
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about even in fact once this kind of was up on Commonwealth and was suggested go and
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think about whether or not um because that's the thing it's kind of like proposed on Commonwealth and you're
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like okay and then at some point before it goes Unchained essentially people
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come knock on your door and they go okay well it's just because it's on Commonwealth doesn't mean you actually have to do it and then you and then you
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have to go well actually yeah I'm gonna sleep on it because it is still like it's a bunch of
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responsibility um and it has you know we sort of said like potentially like because I like I
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do feel there's the conflict of interesting that that is there and like it's going to change how it's potentially going to change like
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whether okay yeah it's not impossible that we change our mind and we continue to run a validator whatever yeah but it does like you know there are
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a bunch of other effects here that you're like okay well what is it you're actually saying yes to
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really is the kind of main thing right when there's been something that you kind of expected you started off
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volunteering for it giving some time and it gradually like took over your entire life to being like seven days a week for
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like 18 months um you're kind of like that's no longer sustainable so what is this what is this
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work right um so there's a little bit of that but
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yeah I think Marta would be a bit strong like any responsibility is a responsibility right you you kind of
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have to go into it open-eyed but it's it's just another thing isn't it
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um yeah I think I mean Juno's better for having you more involved so yeah I mean I think it's like no it's
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nobody would say anything different than that right so I'm not even sure it's more involved though I think it's just differently involved I think there's I
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think I think there's a bunch of things that have to happen in this bear market for bluntly like Juno to come out
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stronger on the other side and because I'm a psychopathic control freak
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obviously I think that I should be in on that conversation no that's it but but it is a little bit true it's a little
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bit true like like if you're somebody who has strong opinions you're sort of like okay well you've identified the
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problem okay actually that's about as far as I've got with that but I don't have a solution I don't have a
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solution that's that's that's for all of us together to work out right but right
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I think yeah I think you could frame the problem in different ways I think you could bring outside like their group's
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been together for a year right so it's it's good to have more outside opinions in there and you can I know your opinions have been made but now now it's
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a little bit different right you can take action at them and you can force a little bit so I think that's good do you have like a 90-day plan ready
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yeah on the website yeah like five years um no but uh I I I will say My First Act no
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um but but I know but actually like one of the one of the first things that we are now doing that we've opened a
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discussion upon is actually having that uh yeah I think we could we can say that
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we've committed to basically coming up with like a very clear statement for
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what we what we are planning as an outcome as a core team we core one yeah okay and
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then like this is this is this is the Top Line outcome and then like we each
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individually have lots of opinions on like priorities and all sorts of other things and like we're kind of gonna
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essentially like Workshop around some of those things like to try and work out what it and
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actually this was uh some of this came out of um a discussion like led by Jake
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actually a friend of the show as always um which I gather they did uh some
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exercises inside of the Dao Dow team um where again they also have like very very committed core
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uh uh what's it called um like contributors and then they have
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like a long tail of smaller contributors and they they they did some exercises to basically like try and align what they
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what their objectives were but with the kind of knowledge that there's a range of energy I suppose or commitment levels
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and so we kind of like yeah he had some really really good thoughts actually about about how well that will Thresh
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out so um that's one of the things we're probably going to do um
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as much as I hate to bring it up considering all the corporate talk going on is there any plan to have any level
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of like kpi reporting um for like seeing like just maybe just
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a snapshot of metrics like hey this is the number of addresses that came out are have been in Juno Now versus then
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um just anything like that like something some sort of reporting to the community kind of deal does that make sense I think interestingly that would
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be something probably um for the communication sub-dial
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but I know that it's being thought about because we literally talked about it
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like it's one of the first things we talked about um so like like I said it's really really early doors in terms of minor
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Max's contributions there um you know we've only just started sort of
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I don't know kicking the tires putting our feet up on the furniture whatever the whatever the turn of phrase is but
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like uh yeah it's so far I guess like it's one of those where
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um I think I think the other thing is is the other thing right it's like everybody involved is busy everybody involved has has lots of things that
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that are on and lots of things going on with their lives and I think the key the the the key thing that all of us want to
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do is like keep up the momentum that the project already has but also just like not waste
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our time not waste anybody's time like that's that's like kind of the mood of the room I obviously can't speak for
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what the mood the room was before we got there because I don't know so um but that's like certainly the
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conversations we've had that feels like the energy of the room is like which is we're we're just at the stage
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where we're in a bear Market there's a lot of pots and we need to look at all
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those parts and decide which ones we're going to [ __ ] in and which ones we're going to get off of and that's basically that's basically the way that that that
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cookie crumbles you know uh we're all doing it at the same time
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right yeah um around here I don't even know what
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the [ __ ] is I also notice that null is really angry
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about the fact he got rugged by you that's amazing um
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well that's a great chat um and you know what she'll see though back to back to marketing right and okay
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gaming gamer notes we're rubbish in marketing hey actually do you know okay in the chat there's been an ongoing
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argument for the last week I maintain game of knows branded M Ms with the
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troll Doge on the mmms you were like singularly focused on this [ __ ] laser
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focused like this is very [ __ ] focused everybody up to speed on on how this
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started because you found you found out that that there was this okay so we're talking about promotional merch for each
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Denver obviously I'm not gonna be there unfortunately nobody from needlecast is going to be there uh it's a it's a it's
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a [ __ ] up right it's [ __ ] up but I'm backseat driving my fomo into what we
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should be doing um for um for Branded merch right and so I this
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is definitely not procrastination from work I should have been doing 100 of that but I was looking at lots and lots
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of different promotional things um my other half goes to me hey you know I'm pretty sure you can get like promotional M M's looked it up totally
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can you can get the brand they're printed with all your own share and I was like we should get gamer nodes once that's [ __ ] brilliant so and it got
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shot down [ __ ] you went through that pretty quick what we're actually talking about is branded eminent bags of M Ms
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branded bags of M M's or cheese whips or gift boxes or tins is this an mm you can
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even choose the color of M M's that you want within your evenings the color of [ __ ] hours you have gold branded it'd
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have to be brown right it'd be [ __ ] anyway so so well Van Halen style proud Eminem's Whole Bowl of brown evidence
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yeah that's right that's a good call dude um because that's right Eddie won the
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that was it Eddie wanted to pick those out right is that what it was it was Eddie would not want he wanted Eminem's in the
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backstage but no Brown like somebody that actually physics oh Brown
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but it could be that would be interesting it was all brown do you know the reason for that no
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do you know I'm pretty sure it has to do with uh
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what I was looking for my best biography book I was like can I go get it and how long would it take me to find it so
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please so sure do you know yeah isn't it true that it's because of
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shitty safe job if they didn't actually read the contract that said that Eminem's need to be in there then they'd
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be like is it not clearly like for our pirate netix I think it's called like they're probably not gonna have set that
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up all right it was in the writer that's right it was in the writer that they had either Ollie brown or remove brown and
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if those were not met then they knew that everything else was [ __ ] shady because nobody read the writer they could literally they could literally
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break the contract and walk out of the venue good call Chelsea that's right that's exactly what it was it's because
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they were they were one of the first um like Stadium touring bands in America and they were playing a lot of venues
24:42
that were not set up for like a modern stage show that's right so it was it was a means of basically I think what
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happened was uh Lee Roth got electrocuted on the stage once and after that they were like right
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if they don't don't get the M M's right they won't put stage wiring right that's exactly that's right I think yeah Van
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Halen facts that's right I gotta find my thing I got a lot of weird things like that uh Dow Dow Dao did somebody say da
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da da three times three times uh yo guys what's up
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it [ __ ] works you know how to summon me you just stay
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down it's [ __ ] crazy yeah it's crazy
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looking tight Van Halen yeah okay
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that's a game of notes content uh I love it yep Jake's more of like an anti-folk
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kind of guy despite all the Brian fairy jokes that were in the chat last time oh my God
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uh yeah can we make fun of Australians now yeah sure what do you got
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um I just think they're silly [Laughter]
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there's like an Australian human versus American human joke to be made here it's like Australian people say about about
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like Americans feel like oh they're all a bunch of [ __ ] it's like whatever people say about Australian people's like yeah they're well actually I just
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don't really know anything about their country so they're kind of silly that goes back to that uh that Mad Men thing like uh like like they think we're silly
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and like we don't think about you at all
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yeah that's true devastating so are you also summoned if it's sub-dial subdial sub-dial or is it just
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da Dow Dao uh just that out yeah um
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there's maybe like 25 chance they'll show up if it's sub dab sub down sub down depends on amount of percentage you
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have in the wallet gotta check your current notifications first before you head in for that yeah yeah totally
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foreign I can't control how the the magic works
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you know the magic words this is this is when I need all of the uh I have like a long habit of of
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trolling Jake with random characters from movies and stuff that he looks like
27:15
and for some reason I haven't put any of them into the into the stream so I can't
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just be like uh yeah here's Buckaroo Banzai from the eighth Dimension [ __ ] bonus points if
27:27
anybody remembers that film definitely at me we can do we can do a watching party someday if Junior ever
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hits ath again like what was the one you used last week because I actually looked it up and I had it in the show notes but
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but the show notes are limited in in uh in size and like I have enough room for it so I had taken out but it was like
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perfect oh my God ah Sheltie was like impressed that you picked it up I forget what the heck it was though it must have been
27:53
there's there's several from anime off the top yeah it was so uh oh the obvious
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one is um uh Spike from yeah um that's what it was
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from Cowboy Bebop like there is all right this one has
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gone in the notes because Jake's just like where the fight did I
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show up to this after all like nulls away yeah and I'm just getting all the [ __ ]
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oh I did um so we've got we're already 20 28 minutes in people haven't even got like
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the most valuable thing of the week which is drill tweet of the week so hang on let me get the book we also can't find forget the tombstone
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of the week because would you like to cut oh hang on hang on
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hang on wait who got tombstoned let's do this in the correct or let's do this in the correct order
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perfect there we go shortly take it away what happened uh there was an issue with
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the kajira upgrade um and was it mainnet or testnet uh test news testnet yeah not mean that yeah so
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it's a little less fun and slash funny um but I guess there are six validators that were Tombstone during the test net
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which is especially brutal because I think the kojiro Tesla only has 25 validators so a quarter of the validator
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said got nuked and sweet
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is that related to or unrelated to the alliance thing is related uh my understanding is what
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happened uh so the way blocks are calculated with time
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um with blockchains like it's not but I don't know how to explain this just right they did it wrong basically so
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like you have built-in functions in most programming languages that it just says like time.now kind of deal
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and blockchain off needs its own because it's kind of I don't really know why it's different but it is maybe because
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it has to do more with like well I guess sometimes it will call out to to an embedded library on the Node
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won't it so it will be like a system level thing and it could be it could like if you don't have a
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well yeah just various reasons like it might be milliseconds out or 90 seconds out no to node won't it even if they are
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all synced to a Time server right right yeah yeah okay yeah so that makes it so feministic right so if it's not
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precisely the same then everyone would have different app hashes and that's basically what happened and then in the recovery
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um there are tombstones this is one of those things you forget about whether you write mainly smart
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contracts is that you're even allowed to [ __ ] do that it'll blockchain context because like if you're used to writing
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smart contact contract you're not even [ __ ] allowed to report that Library anyway
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so it wouldn't even occur to you just be like oh okay well I you know I would never do that anyway and then you're
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just like oh yeah [ __ ] you totally just if you're just writing go you could just [ __ ] it import whatever you like and go
30:57
crazy you could you could ruin everything it's great um
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this time dot now thing seemed like it came up before do you guys remember is there another Network that this happened with I think that was Lum I want to say
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it was Lum Network that it came up before because it did uh did right yeah I remember same type of structure where
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like I think it was but so this one just created the tombstone was because of that that just created the Halt and then
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there was some bad directions or something or what was the source of that I'm not in the test net I'm just hearing
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about second hand but I'm guessing yeah it's instructions I'm guessing the classic doing unsafe reset all and
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resync without saving your state which is that's the classic that's how you tune so that is that is the one way to
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Tombstone so if someone tombstones know that that's how they did it well I guess that's not entirely true you can also
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Tombstone by just putting your ballot like you can two of them but generally speaking that's how you how you tombstone
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yeah and then of course when you do the resync and you have depending on your uh remote sign or of choice you have it
31:57
screaming at you attempt to double sign attempt to double sign as you very slowly crunch through those
32:03
rounds did you find your drill tweet gonna love it got drill tweet of the week there was
32:08
some criticism last time of my Randomness strategy saying that I never pick from the outside edges of the book
32:15
so I've picked from one of the outside edges of the book which actually means it's less random is it random isn't less
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random who knows well actually it's more more random obviously but but I actually chose but it was but I chose
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the rough area of the book anyway okay it's from the section marked wife
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good there are some bad odds on this page let me tell you uh I'm sorry for
32:40
dragging my [ __ ] to the notary public but if my Jason Bourne Rage Comics aren't canonized by Sundown my
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wife will leave me with Will in all caps
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that was the drill tweet of the week okay yeah that was
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that that was indeed a tweet that was one of the tweets of all time um
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so uh other other validating news of the week uh whitewell launched right and are
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you guys both validating yeah yeah we are yeah how was that how was the launch it
33:15
looked a bit what's the it looked a little bit last minute some bits of the organization
33:23
uh I actually I don't think it was I thought it was pretty well organized I think that the structure there what they
33:29
took is they they unless I'm gonna get mixed up with other ones that we've done recently but they did
33:34
um they had only had like five validators in Genesis and there's a there's a small inflation
33:40
about like it's like four percent or something like that but they enabled inflation from them from from Genesis which I'm not really a big fan of but
33:45
whatever um so I think there was like five validators I think right schultzy I think at Genesis and then what they did
33:51
is they they hand-picked hand-picked they they kind of pre-approve some validators to come in
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and then they ask for wallet addresses they they basically provided a single
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whale to that address and then they came back and they staked on top of those after they were in after they were
34:08
created well they haven't done the delegations yet but that's the plan I
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don't think so have they did they do that like this morning well maybe no yesterday Maybe not maybe not the whole way but there's enough where it's not
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like like the set's even right now or at least it was um and then and then like I said like
34:26
the inflation is pretty small so it's not like a huge amount so it was so it wasn't that that big of a deal in terms
34:31
of it wasn't like an EVO situation where it was like everybody's Auto compounding every eight seconds or something whatever the hell it was
34:37
um but um and then so it launched and then they brought values and then they they kind of slowly did delegations or
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whatever types of things but I think I think so it's kind of rounded out um and then I think I'm not sure when the like the whole marketing and airdrop
34:50
and all that stuff happens that might be a little bit later so but but actually launching with five like I think we've talked about this in
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the past like launching with five and then like having a structure around that they kind of pre-approved who's gonna be involved they did a single token to that
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they wanted to validate that was the right person who was getting that and then they did team delegations on top of that it's not a bad I mean that's a
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decent route like it started without drama um so that wasn't too bad so not like that dissimilar to to Mars really then
35:15
in terms of like the Genesis Mars I think they launched was it 25 I
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don't remember I wasn't in that set or 50 or something 15 and then expanded to 50 and I think white whale is also 50 50
35:27
valve sets is it that sounds right I believe so no maybe it's a hundred no you're right I think
35:32
it's 50. I think it might be 50. it's the new hotness in the bear Market
35:38
small valve sets or smaller valve sets well I mean I mean the the real issue is
35:43
like like it's everybody's in but L validators are most mostly investing right now so at 150
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validators that's a lot of investment on a chain right
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um for very little returns and it has to be a pretty high set of of
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token price and volume and liquidity and other types of things to to get that money back so I think keeping valid
36:07
validator sets small and as they as they grow then that chain and then the set grows I think that makes a lot of sense
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right because you really can't go backwards so you know like some sets like what's Chihuahua and stargaze at
36:18
150 or something like that right it's tough you can't really unwind that clock you can't I mean you can pull it back
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but has that ever happened I don't think it was ever can you do that I assume you could you
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could do that right you could you could vote it back down if you want it's a government change yes like and do you reckon it works though
36:37
I thought that happened somewhere didn't it I maybe it was last year I I don't
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see why it wouldn't work yeah well just because by accident sometimes just because if you Splunk in the code base
36:48
long enough you find that there are things that you think would work that don't actually work when you try them
36:55
you should work you mean like true but it's it's like a classic thing of like
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have we actually tried that because if we hadn't run that in a test net I'm not sure I I'm not sure I would bet
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like a hundred percent like the 100 like if you were like Bet Your Life that this works I would be like
37:14
I'm okay chief actually I'll I'll not do that I will see how this one pans out
37:20
well my favorite example of that is uh you still get staking rewards even if you miss the block so there's this huge
37:27
circle jerk around who has the highest up time when it as so long as you're signing like to not get slashed you're
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good don't worry about it right yeah right there's no there's no signing there's no signing structure to the bit
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right so there's oh yeah there's there's all sorts of I think it was it the skip guys when they were on and they were
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just like they were just like God you know you you dig too far down and you don't want to see what's down there you
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go you know you did need to know how the sausage was made and you're like yeah yep yep there's a whole bunch of things
37:57
uh well you know like it's it's like I think it's the same with only you know anything in the space where it's like
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it's it's all kind of alpha software that's in production really like compared to
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you know compared to spaceship uh you know you know guidance systems
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code or something they you know this all this stuff we're doing is completely you know beyond somewhere beyond Wild West
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um with that said uh I have to give a shout out to the relayer softwares these days
38:28
whenever I started reeling back in 2021 it was like you would run your relayer
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software and because it was so unreliable you often had other scripts running just to ensure that like packets
38:39
were actually getting through and just all sorts of other nonsense and it's at the point where basically if you spin up Hermes the relaxer for the we use most
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of the time yeah it just works um that's probably the biggest change I've
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seen in in the cosmos ecosystem is and how smooth reeling has become both for
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The Operators and for individuals it's good that's interesting I I guess
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that also kind of makes sense because I think obviously there's a bit of competition in that space because
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Strange Love like I've put a lot of love into relay and then obviously informal have also done a little bit more
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development on on Hermes but like they from memory they did that whole drive
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with base coin and all that stuff just basically to harden the Hermes relayer
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and also the rust implementation of IBC because those were like the two of the
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products they wanted to do more support on not sure how that worked out for Hermes presumably also fits into their
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broader product roadmap I don't know somebody from informal would have to say but uh but maybe it's like a knock-on
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effect from all the stuff around the IBC rust implementation or something like that as well like that that has become
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better tested and better used I don't know or just the interchange grown and more people were filing bug tickets when it
39:55
goes wrong I don't know yeah it could be might also just be figuring out how to set up channels better because back in
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the day we would just throw all sorts of random values that when we're setting up a channel trusting period it could
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probably be 10 days but I'm not entirely sure create the channel anyway whereas now we're like okay so it should be like
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two-thirds of the end bonding period blah blah blah blah so that's who sets it up is that the team to decide that
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like just based on the values uh more often than not it's uh either me or PFC
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um stake lab often does it kind of like the OG the OG relay
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validators yeah yeah yeah that's good
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yeah gonna take part in Game of nfts there's 20 000 atom in prizes you know
40:43
what's the price of atom right now that's I don't know it's over 10 bucks I
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think it's 14. it just crossed 14. yeah okay cool I I try not to look at the
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prices it's you know Jake tell us about it what is it so game of nfts is like we've been
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hearing about oh my God stop it God damn it sorry
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I just perfect we've been talking about go ahead
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I'm talking about energy and nfts for a long time and they're finally [ __ ] here they're finally ready
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and there's uh basically you know it's like game of stakes or all these other like game of it's like an incentivized
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test net uh you learn how to run like the real you just run the relayers you send nfts between different chains and
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there's 20 000 atom of presses prizes so like you know I think validators could use some extra income at the moment and
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we could certainly use some quality like validators to like test out all this stuff and try to break it and uh
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assuming that goes well then we have like inner chain nfts live and ready to go in the cosmos by the end of that test
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net so um just for any validators that are listening also for you guys like
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you know it's probably not that hard and might as well get some get some atom you know how how are the uh how is that
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distributed is it like based on just kind of random based on some transactions or is it like you guys they
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have like a dock and a point system basically registration opened up today so you'll be able to like you know
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register your interest so you might as well just do that and then um like I think there's some like drafts of
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instructions uh it's like basically just like do a bunch of tasks you know
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um Jake where do people register uh I tweeted about it um all right go check Twitter I'll put
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the link in the notes too yeah and feel free to also share the link we shared it
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from the main like Juno account as well stargazers shared it Iris Network I don't know what iris
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network is but they shared it that's where you're at that's where lavender five is like a huge Foundation
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delegator I think right on the Irish Network oh [ __ ]
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it's really hard to like you know builds like the uh
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you know interchange nft specs so credit credit to them on that um yeah
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you know the great thing is if you're already running on Juno test net guess what you already like we're using Juno test net for a game of nfts and if
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you're already running like stargaze test net guess what we're using that too so like you know that's awesome you probably you
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guys are all probably like you said it was just like I think I already just won the game event you're making money right
43:31
now what just do you do I need to give you the address to back the dub truck money up to let's [ __ ] guess
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I want that 20 000 item to go to you guys all right yeah so that so and
43:44
Cosmos is involved as well right or the ad okay so there so what changes what chains are what chainsers are putting in
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on this so it's actually Cosmos Hub is just paid for the entire game of nfts at
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least this first phase which is fine by me um I would I would have not voted yes on
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this but you know because I just don't think that there's a ton of value in incentivized test net but hey it was
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voted yes it's cool let's at least get it to like great people like yourself and uh so
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yeah phase one was paid for by the cosmosup community uh out of the goodness of their hearts and it's
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basically just an incentivized test net so um there's gonna be a second goodness of their hearts and the degenerateness of
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their wallets this is gonna be a second phase that's gonna be um like a more of a hackathon kind of
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thing that I think will be a lot more fun um but yeah I think this first phase will be
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important I think it'd be great for people like yourselves to participate uh and I think at the end of it will feel
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like very very confident that interchange nfts are are ready for prime time so uh yeah there's other chains involved
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so uh RS network uh stargaze Juno uh osmosis you know just like all The Usual
45:02
Suspects um they all have their like test net set up and they're gonna have either the cosmos SDK nft module or the
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ics721 contract deployed on their test net for people to just you know play around and
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uh even if you don't run a validator you can still partake but you might need to like you know run relayers and stuff like that in order to do the challenges
45:25
I remember we talked about this like what was it Jake it was like maybe last at the end of the summer or something like that we were talking about interchange FTS I think with
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I think it was you whatever else it's it's great that it that you guys are here we'll spend a lot of work to get to this point do you know if these would
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also apply to secret because secret has their own system more or less
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um yeah that's a really great question I get asked this all the time and I think that that would be a really great thing to figure out during game of nfcs
45:52
um but I'll reach out to us off right now I think that'd be awesome like I I
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can't see a reason why it wouldn't work but you know um
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you know if you send them across the channel you might not have them be secret anymore
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uh yeah I do I do have one huge problem with this though
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on the interchain nfts.dev site it says open for registration game of nfts
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parentheses g-o-n
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I think you should rage tweet them and just be like that is a bunch of [ __ ] you've trademarked g-o-n no one else can
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have it yeah I mean they'll be hearing from all lawyers you're gonna participate and take all the present money
46:43
okay I could that would be the the biggest well we could you wouldn't they just get all the wins or we could
46:49
participate we could tell you to try the prices but we could just get our lawyers to
46:54
take all the money and then back the dump truck up an underground Bond okay that's how we win this yeah I mean don't
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[ __ ] play by the rules for a thousand dollars you know that's gonna it's gonna be a lot so let's knock
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it out in fact that's a lot of money thousand dollars that would be good yeah it's probably good actually it's a
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pretty big Grant from the from the atom committee isn't it like this is like yeah it's really sizable 20 000 atom is
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a lot for entertaining nfts when yeah yeah and it's good
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I I mean I'm thankful uh yeah surprised I think the same cop was put
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up on Juneau would have been like uh no uh I think I don't think we learned that
47:39
much from incentivize test Nets like we've already had this thing like running on test Nets so it's like
47:45
I don't know eventually like I'd rather like I'd rather put money towards like you know like hackathon and people
47:51
actually like [ __ ] building with this [ __ ] versus like yeah incentivized test Nets which I feel like
47:58
don't always attract like the best quality of contributions like what are your guys thoughts on incentivized
48:03
testing it's because they used to be all the rage remember every blockchain did like an incentive as test net okay stuck
48:09
I'll definitely push back um for technical incentivized testnets like this uh for example uh what was it
48:17
it wasn't game of stakes that happened um the reason yeah yeah
48:22
that one was really helpful um because nobody obviously had known what to do about it yet and it resulted
48:28
in Strange Love improving horcrux such that it could be used kind of like cascading down they also improved
48:35
something else um but that was great experience and then we got ultimately got paid for it right granted it wasn't much at at the
48:43
end of it but it was still paid experience and similarly getting more relayers involved I can't
48:49
say anything but good things about that um getting setting up your first relayer uh unless you take someone else's
48:56
complete configs it's going to take several days probably to get it actually up and running and so incentivizing
49:02
someone to actually learn the software and get it going I think that's fantastic uh you know those are good points and I
49:08
kind of agree with you and like as long as the thing being tested out is like this brand new Cutting Edge thing right
49:14
like shared security is like actually a really yeah great use case uh like
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you're basically paying to like educate people right like um and sort of battle test stuff uh
49:26
so but I kind of get that but at the same time like I remember from like the
49:31
projects perspective if you're just launching an app chain I my hot take is that incentivized test Nets are
49:37
basically a huge waste of time and they're basically worthless and you don't get any good contributions out of
49:42
them the amount of [ __ ] time and headache we had to waste with like the stargaze like incentivized testnet was
49:48
just like and the worst part is we didn't really get much value out of it like we could have just run a couple of
49:55
nodes like locally ourselves as devs and like saved so much more time and then you have all these like
50:00
kind of spam accounts and all the people that are like free money and they're like [ __ ] waste of time and they're
50:05
and they get mad at you and they like just yell at you because you're not giving them their free money like fast enough and it's like
50:12
it's like I remember it wasn't that one person or one entity I I vaguely remember this and just after stargazed
50:19
launch that there was there was somebody that didn't submit a gen TX and had no
50:25
intention of actually running a validation and they were like where are my tokens it's like yeah like endless
50:32
complainers that we had to deal with and like bad vibes and and meanwhile we like basically like
50:37
I this would be a better question for Jorge or like I I don't recall like
50:43
finding any significant bugs from that test net yeah I can't remember a single one I just
50:48
remembered purely like how much of a [ __ ] pain in the ass we hold the there was a whole there was a whole
50:56
there would I think that would okay maybe I'm jumbling Junior testnets here
51:01
but I remember we had too many halts on Junior testnets but I remember that I'm pretty sure I remember in the stargazed
51:07
testnets one of them was literally because somebody just Auto auto compounded they were to take care of all the voting
51:13
power and halted so that was like I'm pretty sure that was stargaze now that
51:18
was that was the Juno testnet do you know Noel remembers this to you no no where's no one we [ __ ] need him he
51:25
got like so much stuff about it he's asleep yeah maybe and there was definitely one on stargaze where
51:31
it was when there was a test net where every node should run a cosmaviser and
51:37
we hit the cosmo visor version was it 047 bug
51:43
where it logs out um it logs out the contents if you
51:49
upload uh a cosmos and binary it logs out the contents of the binary I think it was something like that yeah and then
51:55
it crashes I do remember that but then like because two-thirds of the voting power were using course of advice that
52:01
everybody crashed it had to restart I just had the chain stalled I still have my heart take is that like chains don't
52:07
learn a lot from incentivize test net if you think about the overhead of like
52:13
organizing the competition cutting out all the spam like civil
52:18
accounts yeah like having to like assess people's scores and like add everything up and then send out all the money and
52:24
then like actually do the test like you might as well just spend your Dev time just like actually running like contesting like chain upgrades locally
52:30
and like making sure documentation is up to date and then one things that we found like with the Juno test Nets is
52:35
like you know what a lot of the good validators like they're just involved like it doesn't matter right it doesn't
52:41
matter yeah it doesn't matter you actually get good validators and you cut out all the noisy ones that don't know
52:46
[ __ ] about running a node and like it's it's way more it's like the Juno testing it the amount of times you Halton it
52:51
halted it it was a lot but like the the people there were quality we learned a ton we didn't like yeah we didn't like
52:58
just attract like Legions of like spammers like I was just always like really frustrated I had so many people
53:04
up in my DMs for like the stargaze test net like just asking like the dumbest [ __ ] of like how to like edit a file on
53:11
the command line instead of incentivize absolutely the wrong thing this what I would say this is like what I'm seeing
53:17
game nfts this is incentivized testing that's different okay so incentivize testing incentivized testing is hey we
53:24
have something we think it's pretty decent this is new I want I want you guys to be able to hammer the [ __ ] out of this to figure it out intensifies
53:29
test Nets that is like hey we want to try this new binary blah blah blah but but so basically what you're saying is
53:35
there's like a thousand monkeys a thousand typewriters and they've they've got the typewriters and they're like
53:41
validators come hit these keys but but yeah my my hot take is me I I agree with
53:49
that I think that the best way I've seen it go is whenever it's announced explicitly that it's not incentivized
53:56
and then people who actually show up and like do things then they get like surprise incentivized now that's kind of
54:02
gone awry in that now people they are like oh it's not incentivized well boy howdy am I gonna do it anyway because
54:09
you just never know but some of the times that I've seen that's that's when it's ended up the best
54:15
um but I agree uh user with your take that incentivized testing is way more valuable than an incentivized test net
54:21
at least at least in this in this like kind of idea because I think sometimes they use incentivized test Nets is an
54:27
idea of like hey we have this binary that's been used on 300 other chains but we want to be able to generate some sort
54:32
of like they're using it as a marketing incentive like we want to get people involved in it and what it turns into like just like just like Jake said is it
54:39
turns into just a a token [ __ ] show right it just turns into just spamming this and even other ones of like like
54:45
evmos I looked every paid that out right they just gave up like at some point they just gave up and said [ __ ] it like it was such a mess to like add up all
54:53
the scores and then like verify it and then totally like submitting like fake [ __ ] too yeah like it's a [ __ ]
54:59
nightmare so like I think they should like [ __ ] it like we're live and that's what it is and we got to where we are which basically means like if they found
55:05
value that like you would have said they would have paid it but they didn't find any value in it because so I we we kind
55:10
of avoid like I don't think we've we kind of avoid these types of situations like incentivize test Nets
55:16
like hey we want you to be involved in this type of thing like I don't want that like we're in this for the Long Haul right like everybody else in this
55:22
call so like do I need like some sort of mystery magical worthless token at the
55:27
beginning just to validate my time no like if we believe in the project and team and everything else then you're gonna put time into it right like
55:33
anything else well and let's add one more curl to it now if you say it's incentivized testnet
55:38
you're going to have faucet spam so that those of us that just want to be involved in the project to make sure it goes fine right we're not going to start
55:44
spamming the faucet to say to stay in the set and so we all get kicked out of the set because we're like no I've got
55:50
better things to do than to just write write a bot doing that nah yeah when that is also even what happens
55:57
on Main now some some networks now where it just gets out of hand so quickly with
56:02
people either Auto compounding or you know whatever you're just like I I yeah
56:09
I mean weary I think probably we're even a further step back from where you guys are at where
56:15
um we're just like we don't really do test match we talk to projects if they
56:21
want us to validate and there's a means of us reasonably
56:26
getting a spot in the set and then not dropping out [ __ ] immediately yeah
56:31
and consider it like I mean most chains in the cosmos aren't materially all that
56:36
different so we have all the automation to make it work we have all the setups we need you
56:42
know it's not I don't need to run another test net and I don't need to pay we don't need to pay
56:49
salary essentially in our organization to to get somebody to run a test net to
56:54
prove that we can run and test that we know how to do that yeah you know and if there's some massively different piece of of
57:00
component like a price feed or an oracle or something like that then whatever fine but it will run it will
57:07
run with system D it will run with some other uh automation software it will run
57:13
in a Docker container I'm pretty certain of that because they always do
57:18
like that's that's that's how that's how the game works you know um
57:24
so this is cool though I'm glad this is happening this is I think it'd be great and I'll stop calling it incentivize
57:30
test net I think I think it is important yeah I think so too I think it's the function is there so like yeah let's go
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like let's try to make it a thing and um yeah I'm really excited for finally
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having an entertainment he's like oh my God it took so long I mean I see I see your picture on here
57:48
and then I see you can change both incentivized test Nets to advise testing and you can also get rid of this
57:53
parentheses Jon so I know you have the capability of doing both those changes all right I want that I actually don't
57:59
do you think I would design a website like this I've [ __ ] pride in my work that
58:06
website was [ __ ] [ __ ] uh no comment that person probably
58:13
probably really tried hard and I I actually was like kind of like
58:19
went in like hot about it I was like all right guys I've got like a you know designer like let's make this look really really good and they're like it's
58:25
a bit no we spent all this time working on it and they were like you could tell it's like clear by the way their their
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form doesn't work the the the uh the email form at the bottom I just tried definitely doesn't
58:36
work and then the register which is funny right now Google forms always work but
58:41
the but the the email subscribe hey I want to be in your emailing list are you on Brave or something like that yeah
58:48
don't tell me that's the reason because that's a [ __ ] reason let me try Safari what's Real Time debug on game of nodes
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this is this is this is an incentivized testing scenario this is the first I
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think you need to test for this email form yeah um so while I do that I'm going to flip
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that through the comments there have been some uh some questions some jokes at Jake's expense yeah very good
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um and uh the funky one says uh what if we
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aren't running a validator on Juno parenthesis yet can we still participate yep yeah spin one up on the uni test net
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um find out how in the Juno docs or docs.juno chain dot IO genonetwork.io
59:35
something like that um show notes as always uh and then join the uni test net you'll
59:42
be able to then uh put together a validator on there and then participate in the game of nfts
59:49
which will be only referred to by its full name on the show uh Rama the
59:54
greatest and most helpful test net of all time it it it well the thing with uni is it never dies does it it just
1:00:01
keeps going and going oh they're too fat I think our star to might have technically been a start dealers where are we yeah it was the real deal that
1:00:08
was a that was a good test net that that [ __ ] test net could fit so many chain hooks in it
1:00:13
um um so Rama says uh 280k for some people
1:00:19
to run relays and send some TX seems excessive Rama this is this is crypto you know you do take
1:00:26
every reasonable number multiply it by 10 then that's a reasonable number that's how it works man
1:00:32
um check inside uh 100K at most is needed then spend some more on hackathon prizes yeah
1:00:38
um yeah yeah reasonable um and the uh and then yeah okay move over I'm
1:00:47
a laugh that's the main thing um Okay so I appreciate like uh
1:00:54
there's a whole there's a very deep rabbit hole we could get into on on funding test Nets and all that sort of stuff maybe we will get to that but
1:01:03
kerberus right there is a prop right now on curb
1:01:08
to finally [ __ ] kill it right and this isn't like this is the actual implementation of curb death
1:01:17
that's right so wind power Cree Sierra Cree is that right
1:01:22
from uh who's kind of end up so Cree from wind power stake
1:01:28
has kind of somehow fallen into the role of taking over kerberus I think it might be
1:01:33
the might be the right way of saying it um and has has done a really good job of
1:01:39
trying to find ways either they've done some upgrades they've
1:01:44
um made some changes they've obviously done some some inflation reductions and other types of things like they've tried
1:01:50
to be involved to create something out of nothing right and I think the
1:01:55
original person who started this or group or whatever that was I forget what the name was but somebody will tell me
1:02:01
who it was um has kind of disappeared or has completely disappeared and so I think
1:02:06
that individual gearon g-e-r-y-o-n I think that's what it is right I think euron has
1:02:13
disappeared I think that group individual wallet owns like 40 of the tokens or something like that something
1:02:19
that's sitting out there it's a massive that's a lot of the tokens it was a it was a it could be wrong and the
1:02:24
percentage but I think it's pretty close to that and so I think finally somebody I think Cree said maybe we could create
1:02:31
something else out of this um or or just kill it right because it's We're not gonna be able to We're not gonna be able to do anything really
1:02:37
significant with it there's no control of the chain it's just running and it has no value and all those kinds of
1:02:42
things so we're hoping I mean we've been talking about this thing going to going to die for maybe 50 episodes right so
1:02:48
it's been a while yeah and it might finally happen but so
1:02:54
from that it sounds like it's still not happened so we're still around the tower for one more episode
1:02:59
that the while the the vote ends on the 16th right now it will pass to kill it
1:03:07
um with 96 saying yes let's kill this thing and then Like a Phoenix
1:03:14
Rising like Hulk Hogan yeah let me tell you brother uh there
1:03:20
was so I guess Chihuahua came through today and Chihuahua said well maybe we
1:03:25
could just make the Kerber's token is cw20 on Chihuahua
1:03:31
and why and move over I guess a structure of wallet and
1:03:39
ownership and tokens everything else over as a cw20 on Chihuahua and that so
1:03:45
far has a hundred percent of backing to be able to do that and so we're talking to export we'll we'll just
1:03:52
start three-headed dog doubt so now it's a 300 dog as a cw20 and a one-headed dog
1:03:59
so yeah there it is yeah let me see the export I will make three-headed dogged out it's one-to-one Cerberus minus the
1:04:06
account that has 40 perfect do that put up another proposals and then we can just use it for uh I don't
1:04:14
know I don't know so I guess I guess if this one passes which I mean it's 22 percent no Quorum
1:04:21
yet oh actually no actually oh no it will it's still 100 yes to be able to turn into a cw20
1:04:27
uh oh crease here oh good welcome uh so creeper wind power says let's just please close it
1:04:36
that was your temperature check uh proposal today on the from the Chihuahua Community which I thought was pretty
1:04:42
funny so I I kind of agree it it doesn't really need to exist I think chihuahua has its own issues and all that kind of
1:04:48
stuff so it might be better just to move on speaking of Chihuahua I I know that
1:04:53
they've been getting passengers great and getting a lot of flack for the Chihuahua World thing but I'm more excited about that than I
1:04:59
should be because it looks like Mario party but Chihuahua in the metaverse idea I think it looks fine yeah but why
1:05:05
haven't passage done [ __ ] anything on their own chain that's a great question wait what can
1:05:12
you give some context up what are you I'm sure what this is well yeah so uh back whenever Chihuahua was like one
1:05:18
cent each or whatever passage was funded to build a mato World
1:05:24
um for Huawei at the start right so I think they're using Chihuahua as their
1:05:30
their test betters like they're they're entry-level marketing for their passage
1:05:36
game itself so over the last week they've been putting out a lot of um like videos on Twitter of this
1:05:43
metaverse where you're playing as a Chihuahua and you play against other chihuahuas and you're blazing is playing Mario Party
1:05:49
as a Chihuahua and that just seems like I like it but I also like the strange climb game when that when they released
1:05:56
all the videos of that and what's happened with that like what has happened with that
1:06:03
being uncharitable right I I'm not Game Dev but my suspicion is that like a lot
1:06:10
of game engines there's like a baby's first game with minimal code that ships
1:06:16
kind of with the engine to let you show what you can do with it and somebody who knows how to do assets
1:06:24
is very good at just reskining a couple of things and then having somebody with a first person perspective pan around a
1:06:31
little bit on some pre-rendered us it's like okay this is a [ __ ] deep Rabbit Hole I'm not going to explain the context
1:06:37
we're just gonna go immediately there no let's go down this is like back in the day right when you go on I have a couple
1:06:43
of months when you're on the point defense systems Homeworld modding community and you were like you saw some
1:06:50
really [ __ ] sick implementation of like some kind of super carrier or something that added to the law and
1:06:57
you're like that is [ __ ] rad that would be so cool in expansion to Bass and then you it never nothing ever came
1:07:05
of it and you realized that what happened was somebody had rendered a model because they they knew how to do
1:07:11
rendering and artwork but they had no idea how to actually implement it in the game files or indeed actually overlay
1:07:18
the model onto the actual in-game model in code they just knew how to make a really good 3D render
1:07:25
um so it feels a little bit like that and I and you know I I got rugged enough times in the Homeworld modding community
1:07:30
that I never really recovered so maybe that's why I'm so jaded and bitter I mean I feel like you just spoke to the
1:07:36
entire Star Citizen Community there Star Citizen is basically just a whole
1:07:44
world mod for people that want to believe but I just got out of control it's like the most expensive home
1:07:50
worldwide in history um it's gonna be a real thing
1:07:56
you know what I was about to make a joke about how they've spent like ten thousand dollars on ships before
1:08:02
I know probably half of you have spent ten thousand dollars on an nft and you
1:08:08
can't even fly it we didn't talk about that it's not
1:08:15
although it does it does um I do I have a I have a yeah no okay I
1:08:21
can't defend myself sorry I'm sorry I cannot I'm sorry I'm just I'm making
1:08:26
noises now but with no substance I I yeah that's fair enough as a company we
1:08:32
should have instead invested in Eve online chips um that would have been a probably a smarter
1:08:37
no because those ships because we're not because but there's a whole thing isn't there there's the Eve online has this
1:08:43
like really big problem at the center of it which is that people invest so much time and energy in the game and the
1:08:49
really big Capital ships are so expensive that they actually do take
1:08:55
like like thousands or tens of thousands of of person hours to to like produce
1:09:00
like you have to have a huge economic Empire to produce the largest Capital ships
1:09:06
and yet like there is an explicitly no way of gaining the in-game currency with
1:09:12
real money because the creators of even know if that was possible it would cause a whole [ __ ] [ __ ] show because they
1:09:19
have an actual working functioning economy in the game and if they introduced it to real world
1:09:25
buddy it would just they would get closed down so [ __ ] quick because it would just be money laundering all sorts
1:09:31
of stuff you just look at that you're like well they literally did it too well they made a virtual economy so good that
1:09:37
they cannot they fear they fear its potency
1:09:42
but uh yeah because they had the whole thing as well didn't they there was that guy who was like a US Diplomat there was
1:09:47
some guy who basically um pulled off this really elaborate Double
1:09:53
Cross or something like that it was like years in the making and then like basically laid waste to an
1:09:58
entire like faction that had its own Capital ships and stuff and it turned out he was like a US Diplomat wasn't he
1:10:04
he got he got he got killed I think in that Benghazi Siege or something and that's how people found out who he
1:10:10
really was because he just dropped out the game one day and people put two and two together that he was this guy that got killed wasn't it over something
1:10:17
really small too like he was trying to sneak off and do a mic create a minor and then one Guild or group whatever
1:10:24
they're called attacked him and he was like absolutely not and then went way too hard
1:10:30
yeah that kind of that that kind of rings about it was it was like some real multi-year kind of kind of grievance I
1:10:37
think um but I don't know like Eve is one of those things that's like it's like it endlessly fascinating but boy do I not
1:10:44
have the time for it I respect like [ __ ] the people that have literally got Interstellar empires in it with
1:10:50
thousands of other anons on the internet that is astonishing to me but hey
1:10:56
I don't but what I'm saying is I don't think passage is going to be that no
1:11:02
probably not probably not I mean I hope it is I'm not asking for that I just want
1:11:07
Mario Party honestly I really also want that
1:11:12
Chihuahua game it looks like a lot of [ __ ] fun if they could make it work and uh
1:11:17
yeah just build something but we already have Mario Party we've
1:11:24
already have but now we're not sure I was like that's
1:11:30
I feel like that must exists that's come on we pets we pets exist it exists it
1:11:36
already exists is it materially different to wee pets or something like that it's like a [ __ ] Animal Crossing
1:11:43
[Laughter] hey hey wait wait I've got it that's how
1:11:49
that's how you make your Millions Animal Crossing on the blockchain done already already manipulative already addictive
1:11:56
already micro payments what you need all we need to see is just like graft a Ponzi on top
1:12:02
isn't that the central land oh man uh I was looking at the the track
1:12:09
there's a trade body for for blockchain uh in the United Kingdom I was looking at this week and one of the least
1:12:16
impressive things about it was they're like check out our decentraland check out our metaphors hangout and you're
1:12:22
just like oh wow this ain't it Chief like you guys
1:12:27
are the ones that you you join as as a practitioning organization
1:12:33
to you know influence policy and this is it this is what you get access
1:12:39
to for paid you membership fees okay then
1:12:47
yeah well I guess the question though is can you set that as your business if you can
1:12:53
say at your address as you're to Central land metaverse business that's something
1:12:58
else that I might actually consider you just said a whole bunch of words
1:13:03
that I'm unclear about what what you're getting at but like your business address could you set like a metaverse
1:13:11
address as your like government business address because you know in FTX their accountant did that they sent he said
1:13:18
his address as his first address he did I swear to God like really in what
1:13:25
medicine will legally recognize that yeah all right I've Got the Feeling I've got
1:13:31
meanwhile like you there's literally these services at least in America where you can just like buy an address to like
1:13:38
operate your shell Corporation out of and they like receive your mail and stuff oh yeah yeah yeah that's that's
1:13:44
pretty standard you just get post office box right yeah and then also like who the [ __ ] checks their mail these days
1:13:49
like my mail is just complete drop junk and I like check it every like six months or whatever and then you know any
1:13:56
billion degrees in there and it's all good you know the best thing is if I ever do get subpoenaed I'll
1:14:02
probably be like uh I I had no idea I never checked my mail there you go I'm
1:14:08
not sure that's a defense though I don't know if they're being aware of a thing it's like can can they just like reach
1:14:14
out to me on like the internet or like if a sheriff doesn't show up I think you're fine can you message me on
1:14:20
LinkedIn please I'd prefer that for sure
1:14:26
I'm actually not on LinkedIn though it sucks it's just non-stop spam it's nothing
1:14:31
that has ever come out of LinkedIn so bad they paid to message me like that'd be
1:14:39
great coming it's coming soon on how social no
1:14:45
um business or the blockchain to connect
1:14:52
with yeah that's great hot engineers in your area or whatever it is LinkedIn is for these days
1:14:58
um I mean people are paying on LinkedIn to message but they're not paying you you're paying like that's actually a
1:15:04
really great basis with Larry last night and uh we were talking about uh the challenges of getting like
1:15:11
questions answered and cosmosm and not and having all the documentation and question answers and these like silos
1:15:17
like Discord like we've answered a ton of questions about validators but it's all in Discord so it's not searchable by
1:15:22
Google or whatever and if you're not in the right Discord you can't you can't fund it
1:15:27
um so we were like talking about like doing a cosmos uh stack Overflow and kind of exploring like what a stack
1:15:33
Overflow might look like on something on something like how like where uh imagine
1:15:38
you like post your question you can maybe even attach like a little bounty to it like yeah uh you know uh someone
1:15:46
like people answer you know you can stake on the good answers yeah that's a good pick an answer yeah it's
1:15:51
incentivizing devs like actually like you know take the time and like write stuff it's all indexable so you can you
1:15:57
can search it you know now now we've solved Discovery and then if like uh for the first person that proposes the
1:16:03
question like if someone gets it right they can say okay you got it and that's the green check mark you know it's like
1:16:10
yeah I think it'll be sick that's a good idea yeah it makes sense
1:16:16
um actually like a long time ago when I first met Shane and like we this was
1:16:22
actually one of the things we were talking about is like an incentivized like stack Overflow um
1:16:28
incentivize or no no it's just only in reputation which is the purest form of incentivization is
1:16:35
that it's just reputation it's distribution around there yeah I'm not sure it
1:16:42
actually really helps you get a job or whatever but the thing is actually it's probably more like by the time you have
1:16:48
enough stack Overflow rep that it would be in any way useful to you you're already a mid or senior engineer at
1:16:54
which point your main struggle in life is trying to get out of meetings long enough to actually write any code
1:17:01
can we not hit me in the heart right now because do you know what's the most devastating
1:17:07
thing like like the thing that I either we were talking about the other week shortly is that the the as soon as you leave and you go work for yourself and
1:17:14
you're like yes finally never again it's just going to be code all day baby every day they're like after two years
1:17:20
you're like wait hang on how am I the manager again how am I in meeting again this time I'm the only one to blame and
1:17:27
somehow I've managed to [ __ ] it up what the [ __ ] how old man I was just thinking about this earlier today my second hire
1:17:34
was literally a manager because I was like man I'm in too many meetings hey do you want to get paid to be in
1:17:40
meetings for me like that's basically how it went look at me I'm the manager now
1:17:46
that's the meme you ever seen that Chappelle all right I'll put that in the show
1:17:52
notes about it I was doing the captain for the Kinkos thing no no oh yeah I know Tony
1:17:59
talking about the Kinko's one's fantastic I'm the manager [ __ ] yeah um I think but but the idea like the
1:18:05
idea of micropayments I like that's whether it's stack Overflow I thought we were talking about before the um the the
1:18:12
little fiber type of structure that that territory released did you see that Jake
1:18:21
they're building a way to be able to be able to put out a if you're familiar
1:18:26
with fiber the idea is that like you're a contractor for hire right you can put out either a piece of a bid for work or you could come out as a contract with a
1:18:33
specific skill set and be able to say hey you can hire me for X number of dollars per hour territory I'm not sure if they released it yet but they're
1:18:39
marketing it and they're talking about it we were talking about internally um that they put out a structure that on
1:18:44
the chain to say this is what I have um you can be able to um you know I can help you with X Y or Z
1:18:50
and then on chain be able to either contract for that and be able to pay for that right um and I'm not sure about the
1:18:56
deliverable checking and those types of things that might be coming later but the idea um is it's another it's a nice any of
1:19:03
those type situations where you might have like a independent or somebody else who wants to be able to put something out on there and be able to be able to
1:19:09
work globally not worry about currency not worry about having structures um like that that stack Overflow idea is
1:19:15
the exact same type of thing right like like it doesn't matter that person is it's a it's a it's a body of knowledge that I want to be able to contribute to
1:19:21
someone answer this question I want to be able to pay for that question right or pay for that answer so
1:19:26
um I was really impressed with the territory structure like like it was a really good use case like it's something that is you know
1:19:35
I know I talked with uh you know a couple people in the Juno community that are interested in similar ideas so yeah
1:19:42
do they publish it somewhere is it live or like it was on Twitter they they saw some screenshots of it and then and then
1:19:49
um and then I went to the site and I was like just poking around for it I didn't create anything because because uh but I should actually so but
1:19:57
it it's actually it looks like it's live or it's gonna be live pretty soon what's the deal with territory like what is this I don't know it's some former there
1:20:05
were people who were hanging around the Juno Discord for quite a while I think they're all French guys and um I guess they just well you know
1:20:13
what I think it was one of the first bear Market start your own chain rather
1:20:18
than build on another chain things that happened probably that was my impression
1:20:25
so we're in the Set uh what what I got out of it originally was that it was it
1:20:31
was very well marketed and it was a lot coming soon and those types of things and like there's a lot of hype around it
1:20:36
and I think they do a good job of marketing a good job of branding I mean they are starting to ship some some stuff though so you know and then
1:20:43
dollars shipping some stuff right exactly so I think they ship some nft type of things which you can see and
1:20:48
then we talked about this thing around before around um around this kind of like Fiverr idea that's coming or or getting there so
1:20:56
they're they're starting to build they're trying to round it out a little bit which I thought was pretty good
1:21:02
so anyway I I mean but I think those those use cases there's a lot of value in those use
1:21:08
cases right like even even a Twitter like type of a structure where you could validate and be able to
1:21:14
stake on really good tweets something like that yeah um so I wanted to actually I I even I
1:21:21
made a the joke about this is the [ __ ] name of the episode and it's uh it's an hour and 20 minutes in before I
1:21:27
get around to it but um I know that there are people who work
1:21:32
in this sector in the UK that watch the podcast that watch watch the Pod watch the Pod listen to the Pod whatever
1:21:39
um there is currently a consultation um uh I God damn I should have done this
1:21:47
minute three of the podcast anyway we're getting to it right at the end there is a consultation the bank of England is
1:21:54
doing a consultation on the digital pound which is the the ship posters
1:21:59
called britcoin obviously um there are two different consultations
1:22:05
in flight at the moment um industry participants and interested parties are encouraged to submit in
1:22:11
writing a response to the consultation by I believe something like the 7th of
1:22:17
May so you've got a little while um to read the 80s 87 page uh briefing
1:22:23
document for the consultation itself and then there's an accompanying Tech paper uh it's about same length but it's it's
1:22:29
a lot of it is just repeating the same stuff but with some technical detail um they're both separate consultations
1:22:36
um and if you are in the UK and in the space and Technical I kind of strongly
1:22:42
suggest that you respond to it it's really interesting um it's not
1:22:48
strict well so there's a few things around it like it's not strictly a central bank it's a central bank digital
1:22:55
currency but it's not um necessarily a blockchain um there's lots of design constraints
1:23:01
that they've thought about with a technology working group that potentially preclude the use of a
1:23:06
blockchain they have a baseline of 30 000 transactions per second as the base
1:23:12
The Benchmark that they need to hit the what's up so Cosmos is out yeah so
1:23:18
tenderness just [ __ ] out the window totally gone forget about it you're toast
1:23:24
um maybe after this hot stuff implementation could get there
1:23:29
I've I've seen that I think we saw 10 000 a second didn't we in a in a test note there uh I think it was like more
1:23:36
like five to six but it was pretty high it was it was decent yeah but nowhere near 30 I mean that's triple the numbers
1:23:42
like it's that's a really [ __ ] big number well that's higher than a Visa right way higher than Visa
1:23:48
yeah so it has to so there's a few things going on there they they want it
1:23:54
to ultimately be able to fully take over from the back the spine in the UK in terms of like payment processing and
1:24:00
clearance they're also talking about this is consumer not um not the because there's like a
1:24:06
wholesale isn't there a wholesale commercial and there's consumer so they actually also want to be at use of a point of sale like as in in physical
1:24:13
selling eventually so they have a whole bunch of scaling requirements that I I
1:24:18
guess are based on benchmarking through people like monzo and whatnot
1:24:24
so um yeah it's it's you know it has a three nines of up time but the goal is
1:24:29
five nines of uptime and thirty thousand transactions per second so tender men just [ __ ] straight gone
1:24:35
um but it's a really interesting consultation yeah and uh yeah and uh the
1:24:41
the only other thing I thought that is interesting I guess is that they're if you're kind of like an architecturally
1:24:46
minded person you kind of look at the structure um they they acknowledge the possibility
1:24:52
for the need for a for an L2 or or a ledger as part of the overall structure
1:24:58
and I wonder that there's I I think I think basically because I am an IBC Maxi
1:25:03
I think actually there's a role for IBC and what they're doing and
1:25:08
uh yeah other people who are technically minded go read the consultation tweet me Freya mad there's no use for
1:25:16
IBC in this structure but I think actually in the structuring of the API layer and abstraction and stuff there probably is actually an interesting case
1:25:23
for saying they could build out whether or not the the core stack they actually
1:25:28
build is just Apache Kafka and [ __ ] Cassandra who cares like there might actually be role for an IBC light client
1:25:34
or something like that to bridge out you know from a protocol um based approach or something like that
1:25:39
I think it's interesting reading and I think it's also interesting to see a central bank publishing all their
1:25:45
thinking at quite an early stage and saying this is our direction of travel for the next five years is what we're
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working on what do people think uh I think that's that's actually pretty [ __ ] cool and I think it's it's all
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part of a story of increased utility for for all of the stuff we've been working on talking about and yeah so that was
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kind of cool read all that uh reply to it ourselves would encourage other folks in the UK to do the same sorry Lads I
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should have done this at three minutes in but as an American and reading these docs I was I was pretty impressed with a
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couple things one is the the clarity of of what the intentions are I thought it was it was pretty realistic in terms of
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what the expectations are what the role of that coin would be um it was not overbearing it was not it
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was kind of like we we have this need we want to be able to kind of work towards these types of set of requirements like it was pretty good it was pretty well
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written like it wasn't like this is like we underst like it was a it
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was a it was a document structured around we understand this has a role in our future so let's collectively figure out how this might play a role in our
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future that attacker would never [ __ ] come out of the U.S it would never come out of the U.S like the way it was
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written and the way it was structured it would never [ __ ] come out of this country ever and that's pretty sad so
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I'm glad that I'm glad that a world leader is all right is creating something like
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that yeah Central bank's also independent of the government as well so our government literally is on fire at
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the moment but then but the central bank is just quietly the quarter with a bunch of nerds and pocket protectors going like
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oh so what about this digital currency well one thing one thing our government does is like they don't like to be beaten and those types of things so like
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if somebody else leads with this and they have something going then I think they will there will be a a a
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desire to either be first or to be able to try to improve on the idea in some
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sort of way maybe and so hopefully it just moves this conversation forward because this this conversation I think
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needs to happen right like it it has there I think somebody in this channel
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in our internal chat talk the idea around people viewing as stable as being safe like a stable coin is a safe coin
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and I think that is a universally agreed idea I think people I think anybody who came into this some of the idea or a
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stable coin or usdc or usdt or something else I think people will kind of naturally think oh this is a less risky
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type structure and I have the ability to say oh I can I can move this back and forth I can put this in this type of
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stable and I'm I'm safe in doing that and and that I think is a universally agreed to think well that's right or
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wrong I think that is universally agreed upon and
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