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is my business is history is just a drill tweet where it's just like do you know who I am the answer is I'm not to
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be taken seriously and I'm a sack of [ __ ]
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hello and welcome to gaming nodes a weekly podcast on the cosmos from independent validator teams and today
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we're going to be talking about a bunch of things that Frey hasn't noticed because Brett off Twitter a few days and
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I got I got sent a link the other day from friend of the show Jake
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with the red blue thing and hey with no context somebody being
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like hey man you're like okay I still don't you're like cool now I need to spend several
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hours digging into what the heck is going on here so would somebody like to because this seems like the biggest
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thing that's been going on this week is that fair what kind of see haven't even said anything
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what what are you talking about the red blue thing the red oh the red blue thing yeah yeah it's just like the Dow games
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right I don't know what it's about but there's what it's about but I'm all in
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I mean people are making the dumb thing is that people are like buying those tokens on a uh exchange which is
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[ __ ] stupid what yeah it's literally on osmosis it's on
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[ __ ] Frontier get the [ __ ] out here wow what are these roads like 20 cents
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these are non-voting tokens right they're just sorry they're not they're just voting tokens for a doubt right
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yeah yeah and people are buying them for how much I thought I thought maybe maybe it was
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like maybe you're imagining stuff no I think look I think I've been having a Long Winter I think uh I think I saw an
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image on Twitter and just assumed that it was real and now that I've just gone to Frontier and actually typed it in
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I think I might have been had it might have been [ __ ] you've been hard you know I was I uh
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what I have seen this week because obviously I've been largely living under a rock and emailing ovh
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um was about so for the Americans you've uh the onion submitted an amicus brief
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to the Supreme Court I think a little while ago um about satire
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and the uh you're going where is he going with this well in their statement
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to the Supreme Court about how satire is different it should be under the First Amendment and is under the First
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Amendment you can't put a disclaimer on satire because the whole point is that somebody has to be possibly had by it in
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order for it to be satire otherwise it ceases to be satire uh or parody
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just like how you just got got hard now
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so there you go you tuned out there for a second [ __ ] that was my name he's like he's
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like wait a second now um
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I was like I was looking at the time stamp and the topic thing I was staring deep into it wondering what I should
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type there right now and the answer is nothing and what the topic actually is red dial blue dial
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so it looks like red Dow is kicking ass is that the idea here yes I I'm assuming you're on Red Dead
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and no I just I just checked two minutes before the show started because I've been meaning to and then I just kind of
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forgot about it so how do you find out which style you're in we should you just go to the the Juno uh you go to Juno
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tools forward slash airdrops and you will either have blue tokens or you will have red tokens right and then you claim
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them and then you stake them to the Dow and then you [ __ ] just make tons of [ __ ] props and make your [ __ ]
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null clicky little thing 4 000 [ __ ] times and look I'm doing this on my validator
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ledger too so my accountant is going to be [ __ ] pissed after this buy them
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and there's like a thousand needless transactions it'll probably cost me a few hundred dollars
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of analasis analysis my scraper is gonna Chuck a [ __ ] he's like what is all this crap
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yeah how's your scraper doing I haven't hired it man we're in oh you saw negotiations Jesus it'll be tax season's
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gonna be over by then well I've got to put it to my accountant tomorrow so yeah we're having a meeting
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did he look at men scan and go ugh he's like I I just I can't wait till he
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actually tries to escape uh scrape it and then just gets immediately [ __ ] blacklisted from
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from minskin although I have heard other people successfully querying their apis without
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being blacklisted so they're probably they're Pro scrap in the UI right
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UI just go Page by Page and grab transaction I think it was my head is that got me like
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band yeah you were sending those headers on that color request were were [ __ ]
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they were [ __ ] [ __ ] you man why were you sending those [ __ ]
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headers I just I did it accidentally I just copied them out of um you know the
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the what is the the you know where you do the calls in in the dev tools
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you just mean Chrome Dev tools right yeah like Chrome devtools so you can actually you can just calling as a
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browser so basically what they detected was a browser with browser headers going like I want to call you 42 times to one
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pair yeah I thought I could masquerade as a browser apparently you can't I didn't well you don't want to do that
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what you want yeah yeah you wanted to probably ask it for application Jason because then it would have given you
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back I I get I wouldn't be too surprised if you call the pages with application
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Json whether it gives you the detail Jason on the TX page I've never tried it though to be honest
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I don't know Jason anyway you're right what's that I'm pretty sure
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cause text HTML now that's what HTML is no no I was I was querying the API
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though not the oh it was an actual API call Not Over You were also sending browser headers
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yeah yeah I can see why you've got man there they were just like why is this person trying to navigate
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I was pretending to be a browser I was in my little browser no T-shirt idea I put on my HTML
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[ __ ] you said header application type I'm a browser LOL
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yeah I'm pretty sure I thought they might have been that dumb that you could just go yeah I'm legitimately just uh you know Google
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Chrome have everything you want don't know don't worry about it and but they're
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like [ __ ] band that's that's literally how HTTP works you just send the content time type
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header of X I have a browser well I know you're a dog you're like
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damn so you yeah what explain to me why it didn't work why did they know I wasn't a
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browser if I told them I was a browser it wasn't it wasn't that they gave a [ __ ] about whether you're a browser or
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not it's just you said [ __ ] bizarre headers and they were like they just came random [ __ ] headers
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from this random [ __ ] place that's the same headers that uh Chrome sent
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so why then how many times you just hitting a page or hitting multiple Pages like really I queried the months and
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they blocked me oh okay but you were you were hitting the API right hmm you're reading you're
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written an API endpoint yeah yeah with the exact same head is that the browse is in it sounds like we need to get
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caramelion from minscan to come join us yeah yeah this is going to be like why he won't know
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well we could we could I mean that would be a very that would be a valuable like we talked about this before like they should up charge for that API I would
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totally pay for that API right I'll message them right now and see if he wants to join in that'd be fine don't join it maybe you knew it was used
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personally I would totally pay for a [ __ ] CSV of transaction so would I
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like especially like all these tax things like they have the data like how much do you want man I'm gonna have to
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pay someone else anyway mint scan plus we talked about this every week about this every week we do every once again
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every [ __ ] week so I noticed in the chat in the chat
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um Barnacle Rodeo says we've had 40 governance votes on kujira this week busy week this is on the list to talk
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about I I notice it's in the spreadsheet and I notice also that um the the in the spreadsheet this week
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has been copied over from a previous week and one comment from a previous page has been carried over grandfathered
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if you will um which I didn't see the first time around but I I vaguely remember well it
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certainly just appeared randomly which says life is a meaningless March of emptiness and despair why complicate
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things with the genders I think we can all guess which member of the show wrote that one so uh the other thing I mean to
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be honest it sounds more like a free thing to me I did make it bold and red though I
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liked it definitely have made it stand out this week the formatting would be I had to highlight it yeah and for the for
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the audience listening this is one of three things that was on the Shaded story there was nothing else the other
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things that are on the sheet uh um the attendance slots it says null phrase Sheltie meaningless empty space
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that's actually usurper's first name what is guest and
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many bulls balls so that's one I feel like we're not very good at spreadsheets
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but you're you're good at time stamping so just keep that going I think we're kind of like a B plus at spreadsheets
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maybe well we haven't time stamped anything yet and we're 10 minutes in because you're you're talking about your
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scraping foreign
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as we are at like random one-liners buried in an hour of content then we
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would be s tier as a podcast but we would the problem is it's like um it's like
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avant-garde comedy you have to like watched for an hour to get like the one nugget of girls I think that's the
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problem is like anybody who knew that joins doesn't make it the hour so they never come back they never they may
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never have the moment of Enlightenment exactly like they're like there is a kind of Twisted wisdom in amongst the
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idiocy here speaking of people who are smarter than
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using the comments I was listening to the Mr BEAST's uh
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podcast this morning with um Lex free Friedman Friedman and he said that you
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only have to like you know engage people for the first like 10 minutes and if they're still there then they're gonna
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watch the whole thing anyway so these six people was probably still just now listen to us we should work our
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favorite [ __ ] in the next hour and then they will hear the magical one one line of wisdom that we might see in that
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moment yeah um I think the problem is also the best
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joke of the episode is actually the title which was something usurper said in relation to I think sad
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back renfried just maybe like what actually laugh out loud no that was
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because the uh USD was it the DEA no it wasn't the da it was the um who was it
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FTC no doj doj wasn't it yeah doj had some announcement today the USD
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Department of Justice had some announcement about busting some I don't know some small I guess or sex is what
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they are right um somewhere in Europe that was like funneling cash from Hydra and all this type of [ __ ] and so on Twitter it was
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really funny because everybody saying well nobody no understands what the sex is and nobody cares and all this type of thing and then and then they were very
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proud of their fact that that that the new cryptocurrency uh doj group was like
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you know putting people behind bars and you know you can't hide and they're gonna you know they're going to uh make
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people answer for their crimes and I was just laughing because like you know sambachman is sitting on a beach somewhere in Malibu answering for his
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crimes right now like brought into the US and like ah it's fine go ahead leave it's no problem
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exactly right yeah um and uh yeah Rama has said in the chat by
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the way the pools are on hopers decks now yeah I'm looking at it right now what is hoper's Dex am I completely out
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of the loop here is it a fork of of I guess it's a fork of Juno swap isn't it if it's okay so two random d-gens please
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stop paying seven [ __ ] cents for a game token which has will be worthless
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after the game just stop doing it well wait but but hang on which one are they paying for and do we collectively hold
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it because we we could use funding the show for the next year red seems to be worth more right now how much is blue
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worth I've just discovered that I'm oh no please but I'm wealthy and blue
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sorry blue oh yeah there you go so for 10 10 blues is seven
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and template what seven cents is ten Blues
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yeah okay [ __ ] okay so red is really is really smashing it then well it might
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have been ten Reds anyway so red red is worth more than Stars
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get the [ __ ] out here
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it looks like 10 red is like four cents okay yeah so oh it's ten so it's naught
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Point yeah like seven point zero point zero four zero zero four it's probably
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four but I mean I've got 40 000 blue ones for 0.7 of a cent like that's a cup
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of coffee wait you have 40 000 blue yeah well I
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got 40 000 blue that I haven't even like claimed actually I probably got about 60 000 blue I haven't claimed you're like
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I'm gonna get a calculator what do you reckon go sell them buy a new Macbook
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[ __ ] djans I have blue for sale anybody from the red team wants them otherwise they're getting staked
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steak that [ __ ] um yeah well I mean you only need one to
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play the game right I got red and blue I can sell the red ones as well
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no point no seven is the price of a blue did you say
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yeah look here I'll put it in I've got 40 000 if I sell forty thousand I'll still have four cents you make this
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300.50 350. 350 battery
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it's about two three two hours of work yeah a tree fetty
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it's about 350. I said how much are those tokens worth
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but he said he turned around to me and he said tree fitty um I'm stuck at Chucky for that tree
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fitted I yeah I'm not sure what's going on here I put in 40 000 tokens and now it's telling me two US dollars so
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I feel like there's not massively deep liquidity in there so yeah you probably you probably can't dump 40 000.
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um okay I'm going to I'm going to read the drill tweet of the week before we
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continue no one's put anything in the timestamps yet I feel like it was a last week
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it's from the sports section uh I will not close my account until the
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sport of golf is rightfully named golf ball like all the other Ball Sports
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that's less insane than some of the other tweets but that equator is that a [ __ ]
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what is that you're reading those tweets out of it doesn't make sense that's a shower thought is what that is
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I discovered uh yesterday that there's a whole real book that I wasn't aware of
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it's called like that it's called like the success method
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how to become God or something and it's like uh a series of anecdotes from their
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life about how to become so successful and I shared one with you sir for another they were not that amused
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but it was uh somebody had got like a chat AI bot
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to like say it in Eminem's voice and then uh put it to put it to a back and put it
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for the backing from The Real Slim Shady I think this is showing my poor knowledge yeah I don't remember what song it was that that little AI program
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was pretty awesome though it was pretty cool yeah I was actually playing around with that after after it me too I just
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love I just there's a line in it there's something like I put my feet through the
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floor of the car to start it up like some Fred Flintstone [ __ ] and I realized
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immediately I had been fooled I've been selling a caveman's car
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I just oh it's kind of you got to see it to believe it it's insane oh that's you
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yeah that's the yeah that was very funny I quite enjoyed that a highlight of my morning I will grab the link
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it's just the the light at the end of his life because I'm a complete soccer [ __ ] I was like oh there's just
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something about the phrase sack of [ __ ] that will never not be funny he says it you're like sucker [ __ ]
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yeah so I have been away from home for some period of time probably like to the
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tune of about two months now and I got back home last night to my setup and sat in front of my
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computer and listened to music for maybe five hours I just sat here and drank beer and
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watched music videos for like five hours last night you kept putting I was very happy you
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got to watch this you got to watch this yeah
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Triple J like aversions in the group chat are you familiar with Triple J like
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a versions like they do it every week for [ __ ] years now it's like a thing I am now you posted 25 in group chat oh
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man there's some there's some [ __ ] bangers in there there's like some really good ones well there's that
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Denzel Curry booze on Parade one that went viral wasn't there I think that was a triple j wasn't it
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where he did Bulls on Peretti covered Radiance machine I'm pretty sure that was Triple J and then obviously like I'm
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into Australian Progressive rocks so I've the car I think Carnival have done two of the Triple J sessions
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um do they play their own books they're like player cover go [ __ ] yourself we're kind of we're gonna play some 10 minute
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Prague song on an acoustic guitar did I post you the one where it's just
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got like all these buff dudes come out and are like dancing [Music]
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Rama knows what I'm talking about I sent the link to Rama it was [ __ ] hilarious it's just like it was just it
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was a real chill like you know beat and then like after you know when it picks
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up I don't know what the different progressions in a song is but then it like picks up and it's like it's a bit of a you know dance
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beat type thing and then just these [ __ ] dudes come in with these tiny
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shorts and they're just ripped and they start doing like you know you'd expect to see him at like
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a dead mouse concert or something with their little fat and skill anyways pretty good
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just knock your camera there with your enthusiasm so excited yeah so my my camera setup at the moment
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is so [ __ ] Jank the um wait what's what what just happened there I think
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yeah yeah yeah so um my 4k camera
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uh the little like um the little portable one that I've got that you just sort of like sit on top of your monitor
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um the colors in it I don't know if it's just me if I'm changing color or something but it seems to go like you guys look washed out and ghost-like and
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I was like really red all the time it's like [ __ ] this must be my camera and then so I used the um
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the continuity camera on the on the iPhone remember last week when it was all [ __ ] and my camera stopped working
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and I started using the continuity camera yeah and uh man that's really good it's like really good camera but um
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I'm just waiting for like a micro HDMI cable and a capture card to be able to use my DSLR
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uh and possibly like a better stand to put it on I'm gonna say the black was
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the background on the ground working really hard for you there I mean you really cannot see the microwave
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refrigerator
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[Laughter]
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is it like security it's like secure not secure and they're like they're the same
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yeah anyway so two to our agenda uh back to
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it let's talk about the kajira voting situation and I know that um The Fray
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You are not really over on the kajira right but uh I haven't seen this is one
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of the things that so I haven't been completely in a hole this week I've been mainly
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um in accordance with the when you get assigned a um account manager you're in trouble got
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signed an account manager at ovh but why why are you in trouble when you get
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it well General people only assign you an account manager when they're about to really [ __ ] your [ __ ] up with a big bill
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um so we've got to sign one over at grafana as well and they were like would you care to add a billing card to your
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grafana free plan and if you're thinking wait those guys run a lot of nodes how are they still on grafana's free plan
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whenever we've exceeded it in the past we've basically just pruned away metrics from a from the report yeah below it so
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there's like 15 seconds we're like ah send logs every 30 seconds don't worry about it what could go wrong uh We've
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somehow stayed below it and then something's changed and like the amount of logs that cause the the tenements
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ends I think or something like that a default setting Something's Happened and we've like blown through all the front
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has lowered the limit because everybody in this current economy is trying to find ways to make more money uh so we've
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blown through our free limit and we're just gonna let our grafal on the cloud die I think because we have alerting we
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have like an alerting setup to let us know if anything goes wrong and I'm kind of like is monitoring actually just
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vanished is this vanity like I just I log in every morning and just I'm just
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like ah everything's fine I'm like yeah I know it's fine because we didn't have Pages you go off in the middle of the
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night this is Vanity and they're like the minimum tier is like gonna be like 300 a month I'm like 300 a month yeah
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we're not going to add our our company card to that account thanks Buster about 300 a month why look this okay
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let me break this down here on the grafana free tier you [ __ ] Legion you spend like 40 Grand
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in a month with Bezos and then you're on the [ __ ] grafana
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free tier and you won't pay like four bucks for whatever the [ __ ] it is it's about 250 like it's because the log
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ingestion is really expensive just run your own [ __ ] instance mate on one of your service it's like it's not going to
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use anything
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and that is of course you don't seem aware you just like let's just let
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monitoring die because I'm not gonna [ __ ] pay for the clip aware maybe it is Vanity this is the
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thing maybe maybe it's do we really need to monitor our stuff is that even a thing in a bear Market do we even give a
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[ __ ] someone else will tell you something goes wrong so the Joker the joking is like right we have a double
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redundancy alerting system so like anything is ever you want to remove the redundancy you're like [ __ ] it let's
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just go to the old single tier no because no because grafana's monitoring right it's not it's for observability it's not for actual alerting we have two
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do you know why because grafana is [ __ ] impossible to set up for alerting it takes forever and it's a
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pain in the ass and [ __ ] grafana also that and also just the alerts don't fire right correctly and do you know
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what like of all the things patreon has been pretty good but the the one thing that has never [ __ ]
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um so yeah exactly so just clip that the
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one thing is never [ __ ] never [ __ ] uh is one right so but we we have like
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we have like our absolute like kill switch things we have like some AWS lambdas that do periodic polling and
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even when everything else has got [ __ ] for some reason like a service outage whatever
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um the AWS Lambda is always always catch the issue um and even actually on on [ __ ] Aptos
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different different network one of our our first layer monitoring and not monitoring alerting fell over when there
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was a halt uh there's a whole little while ago yeah um briefly and our first layer
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monitoring was like cool I didn't notice that and our [ __ ] little AWS Lambda
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little python Lambda just calling and parsing a log was like whoa whoa whoa whoa wait the [ __ ] wake up everybody
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it's [ __ ] and I was like I can't believe that it's honestly that it's so boneheaded the thing that we do it's
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literally like it calls it grabs the Jason just pauses it this little python
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Lambda and goes like that doesn't look right is number bigger yes okay it has
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like one or bigger okay it's just like this might be something to be worried about but then it it sort of like puts
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that to one side and goes keep track of that but the the one it just goes is like wake everybody up is number not got
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bigger number not got bigger for two consecutive rounds we're in trouble boom
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that is number seven wake up really my my metric that always catches it like
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my zabix monitoring does the same thing it just pings that friggin status yep on
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the uh on the API and it's like is the number bigger the number bigger did it did it respond and is the number bigger
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that's it and if it doesn't do either of those things it goes blockchain I can wake up you bastard ah it's [ __ ] 3am
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time to get up you prick block yeah in a nutshell right now you can see why I
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would be a bit flippant about grafana because Griffon isn't like it's it's useful to know those numbers
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it's particularly useful to know disk usage right that's that's the big one and also Trends though like it's good to
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look at Trends and see what's happening like with your resourcing over yeah but usually that
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period of time yeah but your resource usage on your Cosmos node if you have a reasonably big
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box and we only run OneNote per server anyway so that we can Shuffle things more easily
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for me it's just always it's like five percent five percent five percent five percent oh yeah variants
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being checked 100 percent yeah but then you look at your RAM and it's just [Laughter]
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a constant ramp downwards until until the process crashes and then [ __ ]
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yield all your RAM back yeah well anyway I was what's it called um
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Oracle coming to Juno now so I could have to re-jig our monitoring
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anyway so now's the time to do it oh yeah what were we talking about oh kujira we're talking about kajira
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what about khajura yeah probably I guess I'm gonna have to do some sort of monitoring for the uh
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it's going to be a pain in the ass more custom [ __ ] for what uh I didn't want the weekend anyway hey for the oracle
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uh yeah for the Oracle like you need to know whether it's I mean kidding or you could just
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you just turn off genome it's got a um it's got a Prometheus
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endpoint the Oracle so you could monitor it through that I guess what is it going to use the same
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Oracle as kajira and Tara yeah yeah it's got the Prometheus endpoint there
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sounds helpful so anyway back to the um that's also how The Fray managed to just
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as soon as I mentioned the topic The Fray just took a [ __ ] immediate beeline to something else and did not
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come back so anyway back to uh kujira timestamp
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she heard it here um so the the the governance there is
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getting a little bit uh out of control we're up to 192 props how long has this
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chain been going for I don't like a few months and uh three months in the last like
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week I mean this just a few days ago was 140 something and now it's 190 something
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and like I think
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people on kajira will be getting voting fatigue pretty soon like
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who's the in the last week There's Been 50 props who is reading and assessing 50
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props properly are those um this last isn't this are they picking
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new validators in that set or what's this last one here because it's not it's not necessarily props right it's it's uh
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no that's the Senate so the the law there was a block of 40 um proposals that came through to vote
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in uh senate members um which yeah so senate members are like
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representatives for governance right okay and uh
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looking so there's a there's a page on kujira
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um for the Senate and looking at the page uh
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there's not a lot of participation okay that I can see so
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like a lot of these aren't even over like the
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the period for voting on kajira is only 48 hours it's really fast yeah so you
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know they're really easy to miss um you basically have to get up every morning go to blue.kejiro.ab and [ __ ]
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vote on something it's like a daily task now anyway that is sorry it's okay you're being paid you're
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being paid for that no you [ __ ] not you no validators make any money on
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kujiro that's the joke oh okay [ __ ] you got me anyway
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so looking at these um you know the votes on these senate
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members like a lot of them aren't there's not 50 percent I don't think a
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lot of these have got Quorum I'm not sure that the Quan's 50 but a lot of these are like there's not even 50 of
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voting on these and it's already there's probably only half a day left in the voting so
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um it's clear that people are like getting voting fatigue and just couldn't give a [ __ ] after a while so
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um anyway but I guess it's a similar situation to osmo there's a lot of a lot
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of proposals that go through osmo and I think you saw right over time the participation rates just go down what's
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the what's the context for why all of those Senate thingies have had to all happen a at once and B in such a
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granular way is it because each person has to be approved individually or
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yeah yep but it's also the the general voting um volume is like well the proposal
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volume is the curse of being a permissioned chain so every time they
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want to update a contract every time they want to start a new pair or or do
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anything in the whole platform which there's you know it's probably not even
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fully built out yet I'm sure there's a lot more moving Parts they want to add to this right so what's this going to look like when they've got
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you know five or six different D apps that you've got a bunch of
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different people contributing to wanting to make changes on a regular basis you're going to maybe
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I'm gonna have to snap my finger off and glue it to a bloody uh little machine to just probably needs like a deployment
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sub-dial or something yeah it needs like uh and this might be
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the point of the the Senate to like you know um take care a lot of this but well one
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of those I don't know like like I said if if they're just if the [Music]
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um if they're proposals that are just like do you want to add the the
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um you know pair to the trading platform and that type of stuff like we need like
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a bulk vote option but they need to that they wanted to move fast which is why
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they've got the short governance period but I think like after six months you need to start looking at increasing that
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voting period because a lot of people are just missing them now because they're so frequent you're like I'll do it tomorrow and then
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you come tomorrow and it's already [ __ ] gone so well with Bruno actually put out a statement that they're going
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to vote no on any prop until uh they increase their voting period so
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yeah that was specifically for like funding proposals though right uh initially but I think they've
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expanded it oh okay did you say whisper node yeah yeah because I think they've always
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had the view that they're just any funding for sure that then just going to vote no until there's
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um longer periods so they can actually make an assessment on it I don't we're we're talking about before
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like a long time ago a different governance modules this is a tough governance module when you're just voting yes no on 50 different
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individuals so I'm guessing they're just going to count votes at the end and whoever has the highest regardless of it meets Quorum or not I guess is the idea
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well inherently is like a group of people so yeah and I think I think it has to be
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Quorum I don't think it's just a text proposal so yeah it's like it's actual it's an election so that means if
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they're how many and they're I assume there's 50 if there's 50 names in there they're selecting six or five or whatever it is they're just gonna sort
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by the number the highest number of yes votes in the top five win I I don't know that there is a limit of people that can
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be in the Senate so I'm presuming that aesthetic can exist if one person or a hundred uh it's just that whether or not
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you're loaded in or out what I don't understand is why they didn't just deploy dowdal to their chain because
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like it could this is literally can you do multi selection did we talk about
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that before like where you could you could put all 50 entertaining people could sleep you can you do right choice voting now
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in dardo I know we talked about a while ago I know that was coming I don't know I know it's coming I don't know if it's been done but like this is like a
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classic example of where it should be a cw4 with control by well
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it should be a sub-dial I hate the [ __ ] the problem is I hate the term sub-dial because it makes it sound like a joke but
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it should be a multi-sig with the ability for chain governance to override the membership which is a sub-dial
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but every time I say the word sub-dial I feel like a [ __ ] Pratt
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um unfortunately and I think every time he's literally in the chat
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Jacob said there is a rank Choice contract there you go it has no UI for
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it yet there's no there's no UI for it yet and uh so there's four people by what I just said about something else
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but like Jake Jake Rebrand sub-dials quickly there's still time right before
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it goes mainstream dear God we need to it it just needs something that you don't
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just go you go like you don't get a subtle there you go oh yeah no one of
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those things that is like you're allowed to say in the company of normal people that we need a
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we need a name we name we need a name what would you call that thing what would you call it
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it's like a sub of a doubt right it's it's something like a yeah a sub part of a doubt something like that like
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a smaller part of a bigger Dow like a sub like a sub part well no because you could have
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you could conceivably have a chain without a governance module and just
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have dialed out in which case you would only have that sounds awesome you'd only have well hey if you like that idea I
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think that's the plan for uh what's it called um building Minerva yeah fine will be down
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as the gov module and [ __ ] off um and [ __ ] off the gov module um for
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everything else which you don't really need for lots of other stuffs when you just have a substrate that deploys smart contracts and everything's a smart
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contract party yeah you know um but yeah it's in that case it's already
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a sub-dial because it's a subdial of what well there is no master dial or a main dial or whatever so it's just a
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group really it's just a group of nerds on the Internet it's just like is this a Dao is
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this a doll is this a Dell
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everything's a dab um so I I guess and so validators are
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validator is actually voting on those kajira yes we are supposed to yeah so see that
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that that's even I think a bigger issue with con in Cosmos government so like voting for certain things and like I
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don't know voting for uh maybe a uh initiative or a text Vote or something but here in voting senate
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members and but validators are voting non-voting shares seems really wacky that's not like you're trying to make it
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a democracy where you're voting people in but at the same time a small group of people have
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a hundred million times as many votes like what the hell is that why even put it up just have like it seems it seems
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really awkward I agree I voted no on most
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yeah or yeah or maybe it'd just be everybody like ballet is all abstain or something but yeah I can understand
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so what's the role of that of that like Senna because again I'm not I'm not on kajiras I haven't read like the
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documentation I assume they already put out like a signaling prop for creating this Center or whatever
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the Senate is already an active part of the chain I'm pretty sure
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so there's probably vote on it back here somewhere if I go search it just sounds
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so evil every time I hear Sarah I've just like hooded topped the galactic
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Senate the original dial
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let me find it um
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so in other uh governance news there's a lot of funding proposals being coming
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through recently yeah so particularly on Juno there's there's the uh
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there's the uh hack Juno turkey Community spends there's the cosmos
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options Vault by Cesar Dao sir
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Community spend there's the Community spend proposal for Amigo sound
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project which doesn't seem to be very popular by the looks of the voting understatement
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um but like the first two are passing it why is everyone asking for money right now
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uh because everybody wants to keep working in the space I guess and they're broke
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yep because it's like a big but I guess it's a big pain to go back to a regular job
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and then come back in a year so people are like uh let's try it no that's that's
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disingenuous that's not and that's also unfair like some of these folks have actually built and deployed you for stuff and I guess maybe have a plan of
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getting to monetization or like sustainability but yeah I don't know what that literally
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the the triple threat of the way these have come in as as a group has been
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the timing's been very tight on all of them um and I think I can't remember I don't
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want to docs who it was but I think somebody was saying to me on Discord the other day that the
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hack athon in Turkey folks so that she already
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applied for funding before for a separate thing uh but I wasn't really clear I can go
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and look up what what supposedly the the thing was about that but yeah I don't
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know I just wish people could read the room man there is no money stop asking for it
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well we voted yes on the hackathon turkey because it's what it's preceding
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an event right that's already there um it's supposedly hooked up with a
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university as well so there's going to be students demonstrably will any of them actually come and work in the space
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no but it's all about kind of exposure I mean I think the thing is like you've got
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kind of on something like that you've got to separate Juno and
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Cosmos and you've got to go look you you've got
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to think a little bit long term and go like if all that Juno achieves is broadening the adoption of cosmosm and
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bringing more developers into space and raising more developer awareness then that's you know not perfect it's
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certainly not good for those of us that have invested time money energy and have a bag of Juno that we are somewhat
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relying on to eventually be worth something and pay for the effort put into the project but
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from a really high level like has this served a purpose yes it will have served a purpose and I think that's the basis
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on which we have would evaluate something like that you're like it's speculative but
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it's broadening the developer ecosystem of cosmoplasm potentially which is the kind of raise on datra for Juno
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the sign I don't think that Community should pick up the tab for idealism and
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the but you know it literally is idealism yeah but what I mean is
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yeah and we let there be causing but you know the people I I don't think like now
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is a [ __ ] terrible time like there's no liquidity in the tokens worth [ __ ] all any any any time we give out any
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tokens whether it's ten thousand fifty thousand or a hundred thousand it has a a big detrimental effect on the
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community and these are the people who are like holding on to their tokens now uh not selling them themselves so why
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the [ __ ] should we just spit in their face and go and give out a shitload of tokens to potential you know
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um just money grabs I'm not saying they are but potentially some of this might not even
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get done um why does the community have to pay for that if someone wants to build a project they should build the [ __ ]
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project they shouldn't be here with their handouts that's not what this one is though this has Journal one this is I mean Juno one's different but the other
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two uh to support teams to build a project right yeah read the room there's no [ __ ]
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money you're not getting any even if they give it to you you're just going to smash the token on everyone else's is worth nothing so okay but
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counter opinion would be that okay so with the caveat obviously that's not how
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this works because of the way Juno is not a traditional economy there's a lot of other factors at play liquidity is
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important in a way it's not necessarily in a traditional economy where you have bonds and government spending and blah
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blah blah but like generally speak speaking right whether you're a company or whether you are a government you need
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to spend money in order to create economic activity that is like a fundamental is literally like number one
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of the Playbook right is like you can print money to create inflation or you can spend money to stimulate actual
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economic activity like and and sometimes the two are muddies sometimes the two are hand in hand but like you you need
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to invest money in the industries that will be able to export something right right
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so like you need to invest some money in like I don't know developers building projects that are with smart contracts
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that are [ __ ] so if a project is not going to be
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self-sustaining there is no point in [ __ ] building it well if it's just to bring the developer
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here so that he might do something else
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you're talking about attracting a group like the cosmos should be working for that as a whole that's not Juno's job
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alone to bring in all of the developers in the world that know how to program in Rust right it's it's a it's a cosmos
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problem it's not a [ __ ] okay no problem number number one Cosmos and Juno's goals have diverged very very
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strongly at this point and number wait that was two points at number three
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it is do you know his problem at the moment because Juno is the only general purpose
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Gateway deploy your [ __ ] then do an app chain that actually has a viable
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community so it really is Juno's problem because Juno is the only place a
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developer you can come into the ecosystem build an idea and ship it because the SDK is if you're trying to
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if you're trying to attack attract teams who's like end goal is to create
47:28
something and make money right they're creating things that don't make money and they're [ __ ] copying things that
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don't make money like if your goal is to get them to come and build give them the tools to build
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so that they can come give them all of the resources that they need to build other than just hand them [ __ ] money
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right the Counterpoint Dao Dao is like like you know like I know we take the
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piss about certain aspects of it because Jake friend of the show and things still in the chat as well so again hi Jake
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is shaking his [ __ ] head at the moment going Jesus no no like but no no but genuinely like
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doubt now Dow tooling is genuinely one of the areas where Cosmos ecosystem is way ahead of other ecos right and you
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look at the [ __ ] in like like after it's prime example loads of money some really cool stuff being built on certain types
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of smart contracts over there the dials are [ __ ] [ __ ] right like like at the moment it usually and you go like okay
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this is one thing that Cosmos has that is just way [ __ ] ahead why is that Dow Dow is Dao Dow a profitable project
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is it [ __ ] like correct me if I'm wrong I don't think there's a path to monetization there is like a classic
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piece of Open Source software funded you know whatever
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so it's just not necessarily the case right that things have to make money
48:53
because sometimes things actually allow other things to be built and then it's part of a positive multiplier effect
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right the point is that devs are getting paid and devs are building stuff and it's crazy
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with with the additional caveat the economic activity is only the be-all of
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the end all in this case because that is what we've decided value means in the
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current model that we're working with in the crypto ecosystem which
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[ __ ] notes might not always be exactly the case in the way that we currently conceive it which is line must go up
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so there's there's a lot of there's quite a lot of shower thoughts for like one minute I'm gonna stop talking but
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like I just I just think that actually the
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the bringing in devs is so fundamental and even in a bear Market that like like
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I say we voted no on the Amiga sound one we I think we're qualified yes on the
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sardell don't like the amount of money but
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I think you're looking at it wrong I think I think devs at any cost is just going to destroy the community anyway
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and then it would be [ __ ] anyway so what do you mean by that well if like I said every time you give
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this token away it's a spit in the face of everyone who holds the token right it's this it's not money there to give
50:16
away I saw in the in the comment in one of those proposals it says it's point three percent point three of a percent
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or point three percent of the of the community get it through your [ __ ] heads it's not a pool of money it's a
50:29
pool of tokens that gets sold against liquidity pools right yeah so when you take a hundred thousand dollars out of
50:36
that a hundred thousand dollars worth of Juno out of that pool you take a hundred thousand dollars out of the community's pocket that's the [ __ ] bottom line
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but but the only reason that people have Juno to begin with is for a to be future
50:49
that will not exist unless you start funding projects so I understand what you're saying you're saying it's a spit
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in the face everybody oh it's Juno no unless unless people build and there's activity right I I agree I agree you
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need people here building things doing stuff to to make it a viable chain right
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maybe it should [ __ ] die maybe it doesn't have a place but if people don't
51:13
come on their own volition you're just paying them to come here spend some time build a thing and then [ __ ] off that's
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also unrealistic people don't build stuff for free people expect to be paid and and
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and people want to go to the most the most promising ecosystem right and build some stuff there Juno offers a platform
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where we can offer them all of the infrastructure and resourcing that they need to be able to come in easily write
51:41
a contract have it work well have it work have the the all the things behind it that you already need you just come
51:47
in you write your contract and you can have a proof of concept for your app right and then away you go if it takes
51:53
off then you can make your app chain and that's the Gateway but if if everything that we want to get built here we have
51:59
to pay for what's the [ __ ] point are we we're like Venture capitalizing people to come
52:04
in and build a proof of concept and then go and make an app chain what is what does Juno get out of that well that's what you have to do in a bear Market
52:10
because in a bull market you can [ __ ] do anything and the rising token Price
52:16
Plus the fact that it's lp'd against another token that's going up in value that everything's positively correlated
52:22
right you can as long as you have even the chunkiest way of generating passive
52:28
token revenue from a project you can probably turn enough money to get maybe
52:34
a six month Runway right for maybe one Dev maybe two days in the meantime in the meantime you alienate your entire
52:40
Community they're sick of the price going down they unbond all their [ __ ] and they sell it and then you're [ __ ] anyway well I think that's that's the
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key point I'm with null here quite a bit more than probably I'd like to be because it sounds kind of negative
52:52
that's the situation that we're in right and no I I agree from what I've been paying attention on Twitter and Telegram
52:58
and Discord a lot lot of the fact that Juno's price hasn't really correlated up with Bitcoin or with how Cosmos has been
53:06
going up people have been kind of pissed right and so if we continue giving things out it gives a further kind of
53:13
black eye to the communities already bait the [ __ ] out of the community is
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already [ __ ] had duress for months because yeah but the community was angry in the bull the community is angry in
53:25
the bad like the classic the classic exam the classic but the fix to that you don't fix it
53:31
is the ability to do something that is strategically sound even if your voters
53:39
will vote you out for doing it that that are any of these things strategically sounded that we're looking at voting on
53:45
here well no but my point is that like a lot of things that's on the that's on
53:50
the validates in the community to decide whether these projects have Merit right what's your opinion you voted
53:56
of whether or not you should give a large amount of money in a bear
54:02
potentially to a project that you think has Merit as a validator you should do that that is I think
54:08
fundamentally like if you go like this is a risk but I think the project has Merit
54:13
people are pissed about token price going down however
54:19
I I don't think that's kind of I think that's kind of it is what it is like would you would you rather the chain die on its feet
54:27
investing in stuff being proactive look into the future and trying to like make that a reality
54:34
or would you rather die with money in the bank and just gradually die a death of a Thousand Cuts when there are no [ __ ] protocols with your arms folded
54:40
yeah you're just like well we managed to maintain a one dollar token price all the way through the bear and then when
54:46
the bull happened we got left behind because there were no [ __ ] protocols on it because we didn't make any bets
54:51
because we didn't we weren't we were we were not we were like oh we can't have
54:57
it go down to to naught point to 70 cents rather than one dollar it's like it's 70 cents rather than one dollar
55:03
like it's still a 95 fall on Peak like it's some perspective is important there
55:10
if you ever want it to get out to ten dollars you need to invest and you're going to have to just invest a
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disproportionate amount of money in a bear because we have no backstop for funding because everything was in Juno
55:22
like some chains have other ways of doing funding right all of us as validators
55:29
I hope sold during the bull and have at least some Runway now in the Bell like we're
55:35
making no money in the Cosmos on our validator now we're losing money so the I mean and that's why I've been
55:41
having some conversation with Ovation while we're moving a lot of stuff but anyway the point is that like we know as
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businesses how to like try and amortize that risk and some chains have the ability to do that
55:53
better than others Juno unfortunately it doesn't in the same way because of the nature of its structure and so its
55:59
Investments are riskier that's but one of the things I do think that the doubt the Dow structure
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and subdo quote um is the right place for that and so like things like like this this um
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whatever the hell this is this Amigo thing that should be instantly rejected because they did try to go through the the whatever that Grant fund is type of
56:19
thing and there is a team that looks at that and the team said no so that process worked so this should not be on
56:24
this should not be on chain so this should be a node veto they didn't they follow the process people should know
56:30
the different Community funding projects or processes for those they should go through the right group if the Dow has
56:36
the right structure in terms of Milestones uh deliverable checking and those types of things this shouldn't be
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uh like and they if somebody asking for 180 000 Juno or something like that no it should be 180 000 Juno after these
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six Milestones are completed and Milestone one is 15 Juno so we're limiting our exposure to 15 Juno and
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then if they meet that they get the next 30 journals exactly like this this zardao thing has it structured in there like that that type of stuff is I think
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it's not so much the Project's asking for funding the it is how how we
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validate and how we look at the quality of projects what types of projects does
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the community want to be able to fund number one and number two building a realistic Milestone structure to make sure that they're not over our ski tips
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right where you're not promising a million and a half [ __ ] Juno for something that never comes up which is which we were talking about a few shows
57:25
ago which was that other I forget we were talking about that that the Dow Kickback for payment six of six after
57:30
they already gave it million and a half dollars away Lou was it all right I have not seen anyone submit ever a funding
57:38
Proposal with a business case that makes sense then they should all be well that then you should not be on that team
57:46
you should not be in that down because because here's here's the issue and I brought this up on Channel today also because
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the challenge with that Dao is number one you don't want to give away dollars for [ __ ] and the other part is if you
57:57
say no to everything this chain goes nowhere which is kind of the point that we're trying to make so so there has to be there has to be some things that come
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through that you might still think are [ __ ] but they're [ __ ] they're good enough for now
58:09
and they're good enough to be able to build that like why do we just have to
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pay an arbitrary amount of money with with no real like they say this is what we're going to make right okay
58:21
but you're asking for this what what is the resources that you actually need to build it I see no like Manning I see no
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time frames I said no like look at that like hours burn I see you know like
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um that you know that that's you don't care about the other sausages but not only that you don't care about that like there's no analysis of like what what
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the outcomes of this is going to be we're going to build this thing what are the outcomes of it and what benefit does that bring the wider Community for this
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funding yeah I think there's no put forward it's let me build this thing and
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give me some [ __ ] money totally agree and and any Dao and any any group that's responsible for funding should be
58:59
rejecting that because there should be criteria in how that happens so like well this should be a business case this
59:04
should be like we'll build this thing and we'll give you 10 of our our token if you're giving us 10 of your target
59:10
it's gonna be [ __ ] worthless because of things I mean and honestly that that Dow should
59:16
also have goals based on the year so this year like in 2023 that goal might not be Roi that goal might be number of
59:23
new wallets created something similar to that number of new users brought in the platform number of amount of interactions like and those
59:30
goals should change based on the market when the when the price is 45 I might not care about number of new users I
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might want to say I want projects with high Roi show me that you're delivering dollars back in not just user growth we
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have user growth covered So based on the year that Dow should have different focuses and should be funding projects
59:47
differently based off of what the needs are right now and so now in 2023 no [ __ ] bear you would think that it
59:54
would be either new eyeballs it would be changing hearts and Minds it would be something similar to that that wants to
1:00:00
be able to move things in the right direction and you're right every [ __ ] proposal should have specific deliverables each timelines should
1:00:06
absolutely be there and it should be broken out into so you're not like having you know two million [ __ ] Juno
1:00:13
going out for no deliverables like I want to I want a business case and a budget get on that team this is where
1:00:19
the [ __ ] money's going this is what we're going to achieve by building this project totally agree totally agree and
1:00:24
honestly we were talking about this before because I think we were looking at the uh the cosmos is has a similar
1:00:30
structure right they have a I forget they have a kind of a where they decide to invest in specific
1:00:36
projects I forget we were just talking about this and um and it depends on who's on that team as well because because you have to have individuals who
1:00:42
understand how to do investments in specific startups right because what you have is what you're really doing is startup investing that's really what
1:00:48
you're doing um and so that team should have some like whoever's on that dial should also
1:00:54
have um some experience in doing that before not and and some understanding of how to ask those questions and what an actual
1:00:59
business case looks like right all those types of things I think are absolutely valid
1:01:04
well at least we can agree on that they are so I think that also I mean and
1:01:10
it and and that and that is a thankless job I think because because all the day I was a thankless joke all people just
1:01:17
gonna [ __ ] [ __ ] until because they want the numbers to go up and you say no to something that goes what the [ __ ] because they think at that point then
1:01:23
you're stopping you're stopping uh the natural growth of the ecosystem because
1:01:28
Shane noticed something because they just want to see the numbers go up right but again that's not that's the adult
1:01:34
that's not an adult way to think about it right if you're really trying to build this chain for the next 10 or 15 or 20 years and there's only so much
1:01:40
limited Juno that's in the community pool or in these pools of this type of thing then you really have to be
1:01:45
measured and calculated about when you're going to invest and when you're not and what you're going to invest in and what at what points within the
1:01:51
market because otherwise this it all goes to [ __ ] I think it goes to zero very very quickly
1:01:58
I mean a lot of things are going to go to zero um you you are so negative so let me just it's all rocking emojis
1:02:05
dude just [ __ ] turn that frown upside down there's actually a kind of a glass
1:02:10
the glass half full it's a glass you can manifest
1:02:18
is that listening he's just getting angrious annoyed so
1:02:23
okay here's here's a difference here's a different way of putting it right when someone says that they want 100 Grand
1:02:29
and that's point point three percent of the pool right yes it's actually
1:02:35
more than four percent
1:02:49
team responsibility when they republish that Grant out to the public to put it
1:02:56
in Dow terms just because here are the like there
1:03:01
that should be a format that's very structured to say how much of the current liquidity pools being allocated this year how much next year how much
1:03:07
the next five years how much what what are the actual Milestones like like and what are the effects and what are the
1:03:13
effects to allocate totally 500 000 this year to projects and what is the effect on on
1:03:21
you know what effect it's going to have totally how are you going to measure
1:03:27
that who's going to measure that when is that going to be measured and and what what does the minimum have to be before
1:03:33
you release the next person the next portion of that and look if if that was transparent and talked about and people
1:03:40
knew that's what they were buying into I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it but just
1:03:45
funding projects for the sake of funding projects because having devs here will create economic activity I don't think
1:03:51
is a good excuse I think it's it it's it's a it's a strategy where you might get lucky
1:03:57
it is it's it's a Hail Mary strategy that is you might get lucky and you might bring the right people and if you
1:04:03
think if I hey if I get 100 people and then maybe something's gonna happen out of this we hope so and if not [ __ ] it right but but that's different than it
1:04:10
but that that's in the strategy from somebody who doesn't have bags of that if you're if you're carrying it and you're you're hoping that what you carry
1:04:17
turns into something then obviously a strategy is not good enough but I do think that like if groups come in like zardau or whatever else like I always
1:04:24
see proposals from these teams but the way that they wore them and like that point three percent type I think that's all that's their wording there should be
1:04:31
a downwarding to say this is how we take that request and turn it into what we feel it impacts the community and that
1:04:38
is basically the Dao's proposal to the community the Dow's proposal of the community say
1:04:44
this is why we think this is a good investment here's what they gave us but [ __ ] all that here's what we think that might be able to do that's really that's
1:04:51
no different that you would have from from um any sort of like uh Angel investment
1:04:56
Network we were talking about earlier this week or um uh Investment Group of some sort they
1:05:01
basically take that opportunity and reposition that into their own words to say this is what we think their actual return is
1:05:07
and I I agree and and I don't think we do enough to like
1:05:14
if we fund a project we don't do enough to scream it from the rooftops and make people aware of the project and actually
1:05:20
help the projects succeed right we say there's your finding go off build your [ __ ] uh you know don't [ __ ] up and then
1:05:28
we don't do anything else about it we should be marketing that stuff from a central location and trying to penetrate
1:05:35
other communities with with you know this is what we're achieving these are
1:05:40
the things we're making this is what we're achieving here's some pretty Graphics in a [ __ ] video the state goal of the communications
1:05:48
sub-dial to be fair well they don't do it
1:05:56
and stuff right I've never seen a heavy marketing push from the the mains unit at Juno account
1:06:02
and that's the one with all the followers and and we need to like you know pay for advertising if that's what
1:06:08
it takes to penetrate other communities to say these are all the good things that we're doing you're not going to get it just by doing
1:06:14
the thing you need to penetrate communities get out there make it heard this is what we're doing come
1:06:21
and have a look just giving the money to someone to build a thing is not going to do [ __ ] anything
1:06:27
yeah it might be a that might be actually um there might be a good that'd be a good
1:06:33
uh section on the web page too like projects under funding and where they are those Milestones like that
1:06:38
would be that would be something else that that would be a good doubt report not just from a marketing perspective
1:06:44
but also like like I mean the community's funding these types of things right it's coming out of liquidy
1:06:49
pools like you said so something along that lines I can't I'm just looking on the website but something along that lines to be able to there's a grant
1:06:56
structure and it has all the instructions around it but exactly what grants have been developed where are
1:07:01
they in those what Milestones have been hit what are what's being abandoned that would be uh that's a good it's like
1:07:07
a report it's like a room full of shadowy supercoders with the door closed
1:07:14
and then that's where they are and they build their thing in their little box and then you know no one knows about it
1:07:21
like and the only one thing that people know about they [ __ ] hate
1:07:27
right so the Tsar never discussed this with the Juno
1:07:32
jgf the JGA in a growth fund yeah the growth fund yeah I I mean again again
1:07:38
did they know that I didn't know I don't really know what needs to go to growth on or not so maybe maybe
1:07:45
uh maybe that's also confusion uh well the growth fund is for the attracting of
1:07:50
talent and growth of Juno right so yeah but but I mean you have and then you
1:07:55
have two examples of that one is Tsar bypassing that group and saying [ __ ] it just putting on chain and you have Amigo
1:08:01
who went through that group got got denied and then also put it on chain right so does that does anybody else
1:08:07
know like I we know it because we talk about it but is anybody else who's just walking around in the ecosystem know
1:08:13
why everybody's voting no with veto on Amigo sound
1:08:19
it's interesting that Amigo sound is getting hammered I mean I I think it's
1:08:25
ironically a very on the sound proposal but um I'm surprised that I'm sorry guys
1:08:32
from there was the future clip right there I started exactly as pleased with myself as a subscribe now about that so
1:08:40
subscribe now sorry it reminds me of that what's the [ __ ] meme they got uh
1:08:46
it's like what's the guy that's on the boat one where the sinking boat and you can't get on a bit of board at the end
1:08:54
yeah yeah so and then he's in that other
1:09:00
movie the lake yeah but he's there's the meme he's like
1:09:06
you know oh you mean uh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
1:09:11
glad we got today yeah that's how I felt when you said that
1:09:17
was like a breadcrumb of movie knowledge yeah I thought you're gonna go for the meme that you know the most interesting
1:09:23
man in the world meme where he's just sat there with the the drink that's where I thought he was going with it too
1:09:29
I know that's that would have been the classic meme reference the twists and turns in Game of nodes who just which
1:09:37
way is he going with this memes are going to describe verbally who knows terribly with very little knowledge of
1:09:44
what he's talking about you know the guy all over the men culture memory culture
1:09:51
my mind was it you shortly or say that you actually had met people that said oh
1:09:57
yeah oh yeah many many many the memes I think yeah one of my friends definitely dropped that back on me in
1:10:04
the in the early days of memes and he's he's like have you seen the memory of the thing and I'm like
1:10:09
I think he was saying meme you might have to go to jail like real jail oh
1:10:15
and the dude's like right away oh wait no wait in America it's different isn't it
1:10:21
it's pretty you've got to go to prison not jail 's the thing you wait at while you you
1:10:28
know getting Prime to go to prison that's correct right okay yeah so then he's going to prison not jail for say
1:10:35
jails where they give you your soap then you go to prison with it thank you now okay
1:10:43
just hey how's that merch coming along um
1:10:51
um yeah I mean I was thinking about just putting random [ __ ] that we say on shirts and then wearing them on the
1:10:57
podcast but I thought [ __ ] it I'm actually just gonna wear button-up shirts okay so an observation like I I
1:11:02
realize I'm now literally doing game of nodes admin while on the game of notes podcast but
1:11:08
um you know you folks are going to be in East Denver in T minus four weeks and you do realize the lead time on
1:11:15
promotional t-shirts is like two and a half weeks minimum for a rush job which gives by my calculation something like
1:11:22
we've got like 10 days to design this this hoodie and get it done and you probably have to get it printed in the
1:11:27
States because otherwise it won't get delivered on time I I have white shirts and a permanent
1:11:34
marker so that's about the question okay weird things I can do because I've spent
1:11:41
a very wasted life of learning random skills I can screen print
1:11:46
um so you know if you're in the UK and we had to do something I was going to say
1:11:52
you're also in Jolly England yeah I can screen print and I have them I have a membership which I still pay out of a
1:11:58
kind of sense of solidarity even though I don't go there anymore because I don't have time to a printing press so I could
1:12:04
actually go there and screen print a load of t-shirts although it would take [ __ ] days it would be really unprofitable but um tell me more about
1:12:12
this membership to a [ __ ] it's a screen printer uh it's actually a
1:12:17
printing press a community run printing press but in addition to a wood block
1:12:24
and Lead printing type setting and stuff there's also like uh
1:12:29
um like essentially a because you need to photographic fixer don't need to fix onto the mesh and then you you screen
1:12:36
print through it on like a big you basically just need a place to flood the paint and then you just go boom that
1:12:42
that bit is very low Tech it's just the the fixing you need a dark room
1:12:47
so and obviously you need a space to put these big frames because they're like I don't know about the size of this desk and then you have to put them in a dark
1:12:53
room and a dark room has to be big enough um you need to to let to let the the
1:12:58
photographic um paint stuff fixer whatever it's called Uh
1:13:04
develop fascinating yeah because you basically take an image right and then you blow it up and then
1:13:10
you you make it black and white um and you just sort of make it large enough to cover the screen
1:13:17
um and then you you just fix it with with photographic fixer what it's called I think it's the type of paint but it's
1:13:22
it's it's basically like the same stuff essentially that you use on photographs right but black and white ones and then
1:13:28
that goes over a wire mesh and then uh only the bits that are like it's different levels of permeability so then
1:13:35
you just flood it with ink over um over like a kind of flat area you put the
1:13:40
t-shirt underneath it and you go with a slider squeegee yeah squeegee exactly
1:13:47
um what was I talking about um yeah I can also I also do know how to
1:13:53
set lead type as well that takes ages newspapers must have been so labor
1:13:59
intensive would be my review of that was like putting on little things in there yeah
1:14:05
yeah but you know that was someone's job for 10 hours a day right put little things
1:14:12
on the newspaper yeah I watched the documentary the other day of a thing and then like uh not important what it was
1:14:17
but like part way through they're interrupted like the course of the actual thing the documentary is about was interrupted by striking liner type
1:14:25
workers you know because it was like in the mid 70s so it was like the beginning
1:14:30
of sort of I guess like yeah moving away from like literally hand setting all the type to machine
1:14:37
does it prints it kind of thing uh I guess for newspaper it must have been newspaper
1:14:42
um so yeah how many Americans you're in like a [ __ ] load of doubts you're like Dow man
1:14:48
you're printing press down and you have a Titan Dao what else you but they're not decentralized they're they're very
1:14:54
Central they're centralized to a random industrial lock-up in the northwest of England like I guess that makes it a
1:15:00
sub-do then right it's a bit of a sub doubt that it's a bit of a sump down
1:15:07
it is a Suburban Dao that is true um unless that was the joke in which
1:15:13
case it just flew straight over my head oh my goodness
1:15:19
um but yeah you guys should get those we we collectively should get them done
1:15:25
then you can get the printed and then post me one we do need to do that yeah I agree to do that and then also
1:15:34
um yeah I need to look at flights too because I haven't done that yet which I definitely need to do
1:15:40
and I think we I think we're also I think I'm living on the street at this point so I think that's something I need to take care of as well
1:15:46
I well it was a party house how are you staying with us I thought but I thought that was that wasn't that was in Denver
1:15:52
but I thought Breckenridge we didn't have a thing yet oh yeah I haven't sorted anything for those of you those
1:15:57
of you on the stream maybe not listening later because we know we have bigger numbers on the listen back but thank God
1:16:04
that's certainly the people of the ComEd if you need a place to stay in Denver you could probably stay with these guys
1:16:09
at this point you are not a random on the internet if you're live here you're
1:16:15
welcome if you're making comments on the game of those live stream we probably know you out of that you several
1:16:20
occasions exactly yeah you have a place to stay what other what other podcasts
1:16:25
today at East Denver yeah I actually need some other [ __ ] to do while I'm over there so anyone want to go to Texas
1:16:32
I want to see a rodeo go to the history Colorado History Colorado Museum in
1:16:40
Denver it's really good yeah you probably go to a rodeo color in in outside the Denver
1:16:45
too I would think I need to get a ticket to San Francisco to annoy the [ __ ] out of Jake get the train it's really good
1:16:52
oh yeah the train yeah from Denver it goes like first thing in the morning like nine in the morning and it goes to
1:16:58
uh just go to Emeryville just outside of San Francisco you can jump on the bar
1:17:05
um nearby like an Amtrak I'll get over it like a sleeper yeah yeah and it goes It goes down the Colorado River like um
1:17:11
it's like literally the the railway is here and the river is here and the only way you can get to that bit the Colorado
1:17:16
River is if you raft it or if you take the train there's like there's nothing around it literally just goes straight
1:17:22
up into the mountains goes through this I think it's like 6 000 feet it goes up
1:17:28
it's really high and then it stops off in I think Fraser Colorado and then
1:17:34
Grand Junction I want to say and then it goes out into the Sierras
1:17:40
um after going down the Colorado River for a while it goes I think it stops at Salt Lake like at like 10 o'clock at
1:17:45
night and then you arrive in California first thing in the morning kind of thing that sounds good but there's that many
1:17:51
there's not many great great train rides in the US so that does sound like one of them yeah I mean it is one of the best things I've done it's really really good
1:17:57
uh is there no stock why does it stop anywhere it might it stops it yeah you can get off in Grand Junction Fraser
1:18:05
Salt Lake Sacramento I think was that all one place or is that like a bunch of
1:18:11
different places yeah there's I feel like there's also a place
1:18:17
you can get off on the outskirts of did you say Salt Lake like Salt Lake City where there's like the other family
1:18:22
place I don't want to see that no yeah gambling in Salt Lake I don't think so no you're thinking of Las Vegas what do
1:18:29
you think about Reno Salt Lake City Vegas on the on the it's on it's on movies
1:18:35
no Salt Lake City Atlantic City you talk about Atlantic City gambling is Atlantic City isn't it yeah
1:18:41
yeah yeah yeah yeah I didn't [ __ ] know the other side definitely sounds antithetical to Salt Lake
1:18:47
you can't even buy beer without buying a meal to go with it in Salt Lake City so
1:18:52
they do have a lot of Emma I'm not stopping there that sounds [ __ ]
1:18:58
[Laughter] which um which Sherlock Holmes story is it where it turns out it was all like to
1:19:05
do with the Mormons like one of the one of the Sherlock Holmes stories is all like there's like some some conspiracy and
1:19:12
then it all ends up back in London with a murder and it it turns out it's all something to do with Mormon intrigue I'm
1:19:18
pretty sure I didn't imagine this this is a real thing I have no idea
1:19:27
I love the way this like a moments today we did talk about like something related
1:19:33
to the cosmosity oh we're definitely into the Game of Thrones variety
1:19:39
[Music] um I watched In Bruges recently uh there's that I'll throw that up there
1:19:44
it's good film isn't it good film that's great I had to watch after watching banshees of you know serum or whatever
1:19:49
oh did you like that I thought it was fantastic yeah the Banshees yeah it was [ __ ] good movie eh what was the other
1:19:56
one we mentioned last week three out of four game of nose regulars recommend banshees of inner sharing who doesn't
1:20:03
and I haven't seen it yet so I okay you would definitely enjoy it
1:20:10
is it up my it's up my alley I think I I think I did grab it though any any take homes from at schultzie did you what
1:20:18
from a British or British thoughts in brood uh no in the Banshees one
1:20:24
shower thoughts hmm or did you just find that entertainment
1:20:30
I mean there was a lot to say about it right uh I think that the wow I can't say this because that's
1:20:37
a spoiler oh yeah spoilers all right don't spoil it yeah I don't spoil it guess what next
1:20:43
week good movie it's one that deserves not to be spoiled I called feral in it did anyone watch the menu as well it was
1:20:50
like the other one I mentioned last week no I enjoy yeah I I actually watched that one as well after you met after you
1:20:55
mentioned it and I really enjoyed it but my friends and I are also like we are the crowd to be made fun of by that
1:21:01
movie it's like we have sous vide machines we'll spend six hours making a burger kind of thing and so when we
1:21:06
watched it was just the funniest thing ever I didn't realize it was a horror movie until I watched like I looked at IMDb and was like Oh I thought it was a
1:21:13
comedy because they're making fun of us the entire time didn't you just love the like the foodie
1:21:20
guy then you just love like his outcome it was [ __ ] great that was perfect yeah I know it's fantastic yeah
1:21:27
absolutely perfect it's it's a great movie if anyone's watching just go and go and watch it it's a great film film
1:21:34
I'd recommend a couple more a couple of documentaries actually from the last week uh I watched the the I think I told
1:21:40
Chelsea about this I feel like we had a maybe I'm just like finally having a [ __ ] Hemorrhage but
1:21:47
um the punk singer which is about Kathleen Hannah from uh Bikini Kill
1:21:54
um that was a very good documentary very very good documentary um and I I thought that was a band I
1:22:00
knew some stuff about and it turned out didn't really [ __ ] know much about him at all and it was a really good
1:22:06
music documentary and um fall of Western Civilization part two
1:22:12
the metal years uh which is the second in the fall of Western Civilization
1:22:19
[Music] um Trilogy of documentaries by Penelope Spears who later went on to make Wayne's
1:22:26
World weirdly in fact really that's quite the coincidence yeah
1:22:32
um but yeah I mean it kind of makes sense she did a documentary on rockers like metal heads uh and like Punk kids
1:22:38
in La like full of Western Civilization one was Punk this one part two is metal
1:22:44
and so the reason that part two is really good is because it was made like 10 years after spinal tap and it's like
1:22:50
an actual documentary it's about hair metal which is obviously like the worst kind of metal and everybody in it is totally stupid
1:22:59
and completely toxic um and it's just it's so
1:23:05
if you had told me they were all actors and it was all a joke I'd be like damn the acting is
1:23:11
amazing enough like it's it's like it's it's as good as spinal tap like they're
1:23:16
so convincing what um but it's just real it's a documentary it's called it's like incredibly like
1:23:26
it's it's great yeah it's just baffling baffling and toxic and kind of hilarious
1:23:31
and sad and it's like a great music documentary uh it's really good all right
1:23:36
um so recommend that if you if you can find it and get your hands on it oh and uh the other dog I don't want to
1:23:43
say no documentaries but this was the one I had the liner type strike in it I watched uh a Sunday in Hell which is the
1:23:49
um a documentary about the 1976 edition of Parry rubay uh which is also very is
1:23:55
a very different era of documentary whether especially in the English dub there's almost no description of what's
1:24:00
going on there's lots of French people talking to each other constantly and then like after you just watch them talking each other for a cat in a cafe
1:24:06
for like five minutes and the narrator goes the locals are very excited about the passage of today's race it's like
1:24:13
they they've literally been talking to each other while miked up for five minutes and that's your takeaway
1:24:19
like it's great um it's very slow very relaxing are
1:24:24
these all Netflix uh documentaries free I think the first two you can get on
1:24:30
Prime um Sunday in hell I think you can literally find it on YouTube for free
1:24:37
um I watched it on YouTube on a channel uh which had a picture of a guy's fixie
1:24:43
bike and the YouTube Channel's name was Mr fixie so
1:24:53
I swear I'm clicking on this guy so the Godfather of Harlem started back
1:25:01
this week as well which is a awesome TV show now which is that
1:25:07
I've heard yeah man it's great it's got that um I'll tell you the dude it's got that new name the Fuller oh
1:25:14
it's got uh um the hell the guy if it's in TV series uh the SAS Rogue
1:25:21
Heroes was quite stylishly done I thought uh have not watched that is that another
1:25:27
documentary yes about uh no it's a it's a drama about the founding of the SAS uh
1:25:32
yeah it's quite does does anyone watch 1923 it's like one of those um
1:25:39
Yellowstone uh prequels I haven't watched any of the Yellowstone prequels yet I've been kind of holding
1:25:45
off haven't you oh man prequels already yeah 1883 was phenomenal I [ __ ] loved
1:25:52
that it was great so it's like um they're doing like time progression from like colonization of
1:25:59
the the intermediate States or whatever they call them the flyover states out there or where it's all the way up to
1:26:05
like you know um traveling to where the Yellowstone ranches the the first
1:26:12
people who were you know started the ranch and and that community in that town
1:26:18
um and then so you know the the end of 1883 is basically oh [ __ ] I can't tell
1:26:24
you um but it's really good it's really good prequels and the the 1923 one has been
1:26:30
great so far right in 1920s yeah Harrison Ford yeah and um oh what's that
1:26:37
old bird's name in 1883 1883 I think is uh what's his face the
1:26:43
guy from uh The Big Lebowski but I can't think of his name um John oh you're talking about the guy
1:26:50
at the bar yeah uh in the big of Alaska remember he was talking to the dude and the guy's like the Sarsaparilla guy
1:26:57
it says Sam O'Neill that's not it no no not Samuel oh come on where's everybody
1:27:04
in the comments help us out John you mean John thingy I don't think this is named John thingy
1:27:10
I'm another thingy um Helen mirren's the old bird that I was trying to think of
1:27:17
it oh my goodness uh okay uh but yeah so my
1:27:26
favorite quote from um 1923 is where uh the Harrison Ford
1:27:32
character calls sheep Prairie maggots I just loved it
1:27:39
actually if we're doing westerns the the Emily Blunt one the English is pretty
1:27:44
good too quite it's dark and quite slow like the
1:27:50
pace is like um but yeah it's very uh
1:27:57
very kind of like sad and killingy and sort of like quite brutal like like kind
1:28:03
of like not very bad and killingy you know what I mean it's it's you know
1:28:08
it's one of those when you start watching it you're like oh nothing's gonna no good will come of this
1:28:14
you know one of those dramas and it's set it's always set at the end of the West and it's about this this Native
1:28:19
American scout tracker who ends his time in the US Army
1:28:26
um and then he's like well I'm gonna go North and find a patch of land because I'm supposed to be owed one for fighting
1:28:32
in the US Army and you're like okay is that gonna go well Sam Elliott
1:28:38
who's thinking of I wish the new episode I wish the new season of Boba Fett had come out so Sam
1:28:45
Elliott's one in 1883 and then we were thinking about the other one we were talking about before it just came to me is Forrest Whitaker
1:28:50
that's what you're talking about have you seen Ghost Dog Way of the Samurai with Forest Whitaker that's [ __ ] really cool it's like really old a while
1:28:57
ago right yeah yeah it's a good film um you know what else is good I only saw
1:29:02
a time I've only seen a tiny bit of one episode I need to like go back and watch it properly but like I was already like oh this is for me was Andor the new Star
1:29:09
Wars thing and lots of it's filmed in the northwest of England and the north of England and
1:29:15
so there's like like loads of people I know have been like that's film near me
1:29:20
it's quite cool you can cycle to a bunch of places
1:29:27
down the roads by the pub where I live is important I'm gonna come
1:29:32
over there free and we're gonna do the pub crawl on the train yeah yeah you yeah we can bring the bean
1:29:41
you wanna you wanna be careful because it will happen yeah it will
1:29:47
yeah I'm trying to find this um talking about the Western shows is this uh this
1:29:54
is TV show and it looks like I I can't find it but it's like the um construction of the the railway the East
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