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Who's got the discord on?

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Let me guess.

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Queensland.

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Always null.

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It's always.

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Hearing that shit in his sleep.

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Welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast on the Cosmos from independent

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validated teams.

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Hello, welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast on the Cosmos from

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independent validated teams.

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And I was just going to get a glass of water, but I guess I'm not.

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I was just going to do the introduction while you're actually

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going. It's getting more professional week on week as we go on.

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You had that tiny window to get the water fray and now it's now it's up.

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I mean, this wouldn't be the first time that I got rugged on essential

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pre-show prep and then had to do 90 minutes parched.

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But okay, as the astute of you among the viewers will have noticed, we have a

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guest this week of Tenderman Timmy, who you will probably know from, well,

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Twitter for starters and also from Spark IBC.

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And Timmy said to talk about his new project, which we'll talk about in a

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little bit.

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And I've just seen somebody drop into the waiting room that we haven't

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seen in a little while.

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Look at that.

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Hey, come with the man.

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Hello, she'll see how are you doing?

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I am doing great.

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However, I don't know if I have my stuff set up just yet.

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So I'm going through the testing process.

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So if you can hear me, that's that's a step of the way.

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You sound good.

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Sound crisp.

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Right.

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Test and proud.

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That's how we do it.

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Test and broad.

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That's how we do it.

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I thought I'd join this live stream to see if my mic works.

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Perfect.

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Did you say you did you say you had a new microphone?

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They just.

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Yeah, he doesn't know how to operate.

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Yeah.

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He had his headphones.

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No work there.

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He jinxed it.

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Jokes.

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Yeah.

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Does anyone know how to turn off the volume on Discord?

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No, what you do know is for like just 90 minutes of your life, you close.

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You close Discord.

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Control Q.

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Yeah.

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Like on my.

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You, you, I think if you just like, if you set yourself to do not disturb.

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If you I closed, I closed Discord and Telegram and it was damaging to me.

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Yeah.

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Well, close them all.

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I'll damage you.

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Oh, shit.

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So aggressive.

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I just pinged you.

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I just pinged you on Discord to see if your phone banged.

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No.

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I closed it.

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Oh, good.

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All right.

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So yeah, welcome to tendermint Timmy in the organized show that is the game of nodes.

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Let me get up the sheet, guys.

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Let me get up the sheet.

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This is just how I like my shows.

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I mean,

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Organize is boring.

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I have to say that, like, what we lack in organization, I like to think we make up for in

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Spice.

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The value, but whether or not that is the case.

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I don't know.

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So I was actually the first thing I think that's on the sheet or fucking should be anyway.

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In speaking of organization, number one, anybody that was around for last week will

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have witnessed the absolute brutal end of the show.

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You sir, but I'm sorry.

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There is a 90 minute.

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I don't make the rules.

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I don't make the rules.

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I just enforce them.

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But I'm sorry.

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I'm really sorry.

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But if you were not since we're doing follow up.

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So if you'd like to pick up the point that you were making last week when we cut off the

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show, now is your the platform is yours.

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I don't remember what I was saying, but I think the ending was going to be in nose and

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asshole.

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It was that was it.

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I think that was it.

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I was going to go or I remember.

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It was yeah.

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And then you're going to be a thing.

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That was a good cutoff.

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I was not wait.

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I had no idea that was coming.

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Absolutely devastating.

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And then so the other the other follow up I wanted to bring up was I don't know.

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We talked about this last week, but I rewatched the episode where I missed the

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first part and you said was holding down the fourth solo.

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And so there was a poll on Twitter from Game of Nodes about whether or not people

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would like to see one on one interviews or something like that with with founders.

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And we were positing that if Noel wanted to do it, then he could call it late night

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with Noel.

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I'm going to put it out there that having rewatched the the part of the episode that

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I missed with Simon from noise that actually it should be late night with

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usurper because usurper is actually a good interview.

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I like the rest of us.

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The before all the rest of us cavalcade it.

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There's a lot of good content.

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And then we're going to be doing a little bit of a review of the episode.

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And then there's a section in the middle where we're just basically grilling him

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on random aspects of tokenomics and stuff.

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And I don't care about tokens.

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I've tried to talk to you about the the League of Entropy.

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And Noel's like, I don't care about your comic book series, Simon.

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I want to hear about tokens.

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He's like, it's not a comic book series.

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It's an important way of the randomness is generated.

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You're like, I don't even read Marvel.

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Why would I read them even more obscure?

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And we're all like trying to pull you.

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This is this was I didn't remember this at the time until I rewatched it.

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But we were basically trying to pull you back now.

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And you're like calling him a nerd and stuff.

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And we're like, so I'm just trying.

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It's all the show you watching.

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Yeah, I mean, I was surprised to remember it at the time.

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But I think you might have an anger management problem, dude.

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You know, just that would be my feedback from the episode.

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You serve a great job holding down the floor.

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Thank you.

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Anger management issues.

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Well, he's Australian.

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What can you do?

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I feel I feel a tight.

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I think that's how I felt at the end of last episode.

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OK, so that was different.

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That was just friendly banter.

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Just just the way I'm feeling attacked.

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I'm feeling triggered.

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I want my mommy.

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Well, OK, so on that note, Timmy, before we talk about like yours,

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this latest project that you're involved in,

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do you want to give us a little bit of background

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about how you got into the cosmos and what your involvement was?

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Because I guess my first interaction with you probably was like,

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maybe Twitter threads and stuff like that.

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But I guess that's probably not the first thing.

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what we can we can ask more questions from that?

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Yeah, sure.

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First off, thanks for having me on.

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I really appreciate it.

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I think this will be fun already been a blast.

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But yeah, so I I'm a long time crypto fan.

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Like I think I was already sort of aware of Bitcoin

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when like Litecoin and Dogecoin launched.

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I remember mining them on a laptop that had no business mining.

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And I'm pretty sure it was really what got me into the cosmos

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was CZ's tweet back in the day.

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Didn't even have Twitter at the time.

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But through some other channels, I saw the tweet he made basically saying,

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we're listing Adam and they're not paying a listing fee.

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I didn't even do any research first.

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I was just like, that's massive.

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I'm going to go buy as much Adam as I can.

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So I did that, put it in a private wallet, staked it and then continued to kind of

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bop around the rest of crypto, definitely keeping an eye on it.

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But then when the the starport upgrade happened a year or two ago and I.

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I remember when I first was like exploring and I found my osmosis and Juno AirDrop,

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even with the osmosis decayed a bit.

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My jaw was just on the floor.

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I was like, oh, wait, what is this?

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Is this real?

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I can't believe this is real.

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And from there, I just kind of dove in.

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I mean, prior to that, I had done research on what I bought and invested in the general

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cosmos ethos and game plan for the future and super bullish on it.

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I came to a realization relatively early on that the future is not one chain.

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It just isn't in any way, shape or form.

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So cosmos seemed to be the only ecosystem that was really embracing that philosophy fully

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and like designing from the ground up for it.

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So I just kind of fell in love pretty quickly with what was being built started.

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I don't remember what got me on Twitter to start with something must have where I was

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like, well, guess I'll make an account and start engaging with these people.

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But thank God I did ever since I've just been sort of along for the ride and loving the

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community and all the tech and developments and just the general ethos really.

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And then maybe somewhere about a year ago to a half a year ago, somewhere in that realm,

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I had an idea for a project that actually felt original and needed.

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Of course, in my time in crypto, I had many ideas for like a new NFT collection or a

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DEX or something, but nothing that someone else isn't probably already doing better.

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And that idea was for Spark IBC.

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And so just a good real life friend of mine who is a developer, we just sort of embarked

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on building that and happy to talk about that.

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But I think that kind of brings us up to like modern day.

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And now Spark has launched and the first like big effort by Spark is this new project,

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interchange info.

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So I guess it would be good to have a bit more like what is Spark and what's the game

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plan, what's the goal there?

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Because I think most people will probably have seen Spark related to maybe developer

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resources.

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That's probably what most people will associate with it, I think.

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But it's substantially more than that, isn't it, from your perspective with somebody who

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knows the beginning of the project and where it's going, right?

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Totally.

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And yeah, Spark is something that will definitely grow over time.

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I'm super happy with where it's at and what we've done so far, but it's definitely just

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like the seed of what it will become.

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So what Spark is and the general sort of motivation behind building it is I'd become friends with

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a couple people in the ecosystem who wanted to build certain chain agnostic things or

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embark on various chain agnostic efforts that were just sort of interchange focus.

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They weren't fully a Juno effort or fully an Osmo effort or whatever.

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And they had a lot of trouble finding funding because a lot of these funding sources, be

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they community pools or grants, are more or less reserved for stuff being built on the

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chain that they come from.

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And I thought that seemed pretty silly considering we were in the interchange and we have all

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decided one chain isn't going to work, but also a whole bunch of chains each on their

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own independently aren't going to make it either.

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We need this sort of like network and like team ecosystem vibe.

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And then I also just saw a couple cool efforts going around that seemed like it would be

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cool to have some recognition attached to the people participating and some structure

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around them in general.

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So like one hilarious example because it's so small and silly, but I think this was actually

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the first seed of an idea for Spark.

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One of our validators in the Cosmos, Joe Abbey ran a contest to try and decentralize Chihuahua

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chain more.

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Basically by it was an on chain automated thing.

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So no liking, retweeting, tagging friends.

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It was just if you are delegated to a validator in the top 20 and you re delegate to someone

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in the lower 80 in this timeframe, your wallet will be automatically entered into a raffle

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for a prize pool basically.

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I thought that was a really cool thing to do.

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I tagged a couple validators I was friends with or knew in the ecosystem and they contributed

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to that prize pool, which I just thought was super cool because like in theory, the validators

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are competitors in theory, you know, this is all a financial system, but like that and

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a couple other things I saw like it.

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One was a time when Jacob Gadokin was like offering to buy validators hardware out of

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money from his own pocket so that they would stop missing epoch on osmosis for people who

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are on bare metal.

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And both those things and the funding thing I mentioned earlier just made me realize it

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would be really cool to have a platform that was focused on sort of chain agnostic or community

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driven things, whether they're projects or contests like that or developer resources

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and educational workshops like you mentioned, right, where people who clearly already want

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to contribute, I saw it happen time and time again like with that contest can now like

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have somewhere with a little structure to it and where the people who donate get some

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sort of recognition there.

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So for every one USDC donated, you get one spark minted into your wallet.

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They're non transferable.

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So we don't have a token you can like invest in.

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They really are a representation that this wallet has contributed to the inner chain.

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Right now, the only use of those spark points are just we have a fund leaderboard, just a

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bit of gamification where validators and users alike can link to their stuff, put a custom

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name in and see where they stack up as far as spark points and donations with other people.

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But we definitely do intend to have those spark points, a mock some cool stuff in the

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future as well.

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But so yeah, I guess the only other thing I'd add sorry if that was a little long winded

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is right now it's very much like something that we manage and do our first campaign,

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which required no funding because people in this ecosystem are awesome.

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We're getting together a couple of the big brain devs and having them do live workshops

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on things like validating, intro to Cosmism, flash loans, bunch of cool stuff.

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Our second campaign was for Terra spaces to try and get him a little bit of funding and

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appreciation.

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I think he's the definition of like a chain agnostic effort.

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But what we hope this will evolve to long term and why I'm like thrilled to be able

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to talk about this on platforms like this, the show is a tool that the community can

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use and a platform for anyone.

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So if you have an idea or know of an existing effort that seems to sort of fit our guidelines

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of being like chain agnostics or pretty grassroots and like small in scale that you can come

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to our platform approach us and from there, you know, we will have to like approve.

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We won't just like do anyone who comes to us with a campaign idea, but we'll offer to

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either like run that campaign alongside you, do a bunch of work with XYZ or really put

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it in your hands.

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So long as we like the idea, we're fine to say, cool, use the platform, do your thing.

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So in that way, it's some kind of mix between like a launch pad and a cherry.

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So have you had much buying yet from other validators with donations and that type of

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stuff?

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Like in that regard, or are we still like you still trying to like engage?

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I'd say it's definitely still pretty small.

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I mean, we do have like quite a few like validators and just friends in the ecosystem who are

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like super on board with what we're doing, who have made some donations.

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But honestly, we've only done one campaign so far.

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So this is more on our end.

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The general fund is something on Spark that is always open that you can donate to at any

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time, which goes to a multi-sig with a majority of non-team members, just community people

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that I'm sure you recognize that kind of is used for general purposes.

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So we might use it for like really any number of things.

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And so even though that's open at all times, you know, we've only had the one campaign

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and people haven't really seen what this money gets used for yet.

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And so like that's totally fine.

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I'm a big believer in like show before you tell and ship before you ask for money, whether

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it's funding or donations.

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So we're definitely still on the like startup phase as far as people interacting with it

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and donating.

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But I think that makes sense.

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If I were a validator who didn't know me, Timmy personally, and I looked at this, I'd

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probably be like, seems cool, but like, I don't know why I would just donate to some

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random platform.

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So we got to we got to prove ourselves first.

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And I think interchange info will be a massive step towards that.

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I definitely, I definitely like your platform.

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And I love the some of the educational content that you guys have put out.

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You had Zeke on there, right?

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For the intro to Cozum wasm.

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Yes.

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In fact, little, little alpha for the devs out there.

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Zeke recently did some recording of some stuff like that and sent it to me that I'm

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going to edit.

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So we're going to have more Zeke tutorials going up soon for people who love to learn

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from a big brain like him.

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That'll be awesome.

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And you guys have been doing the, well, any, any hints of what, what those tutorials might

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be about Cozum wasm related, I guess.

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Yeah.

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I think this one is pretty focused on flash loans, which is interesting.

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I think it's just something Zeke has personally been enjoying exploring.

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It was something he did for a live workshop a while back.

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And I think he's maybe just been in that headspace ever since.

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Or at least it's been occupying some little quadrant of his mind, you know.

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So you guys also have like pretty regular Twitter spaces.

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And what's the, what's the general ethos behind that?

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Is that just basically at a, at a given time or, you know, reasonably regular time, you

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guys just start a space and people come in and you just bring up people to talk.

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Or do you generally have like a, like a program that you follow or specific things that you

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talk about week to week?

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Or is it just a bit of an open platform to just generally talk about the cosmos?

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Yeah.

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So I guess we have kind of two things in that regard.

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I myself as just Timmy, one of the ways I kind of, this might have even been the reason

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I made the Cosmos Twitter in the first place.

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I don't know.

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I have a lot of, I first off do not claim to be a dev.

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I do not claim to be like an expert on all these protocols out here, but I do have like

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some teaching experience and I've grown to be pretty proficient in like breaking down

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concepts into simple terms and like explaining like I'm five types stuff.

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So I started a program that runs every Wednesday, except today, because I think this will be

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in place of it called Cosmonaut Bootcamp, where back in the bull market, it was really

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an open platform for like no stupid questions.

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So it was just a Twitter space once a week where you could come and usually people would

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bring their friends like crypto naive people, where they could literally just ask like,

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what's the difference between Kepler and like Cosmos station?

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Or like, what is a wallet even?

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Or like staking and like just a really good atmosphere where you wouldn't be afraid to

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ask basic questions because we've all been there.

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Crypto is complicated, scary.

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Self sovereignty comes with a lot more responsibility.

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Usually that has morphed more since we've had like less new people in the bear.

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That's morphed more into like an exploring the Cosmos thing where I'll usually have some

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project that I'll interview.

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So like recently we did Kato the on ramp.

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Before that we did no but tech, which is another on ramp coming to the Cosmos here soon.

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I'm having one soon in the future here with leap wallet, etc, etc.

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I actually used to drop in occasionally I think to your Cosmos bootcamp.

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And man, I have to say like, like it was a really good platform back then when I used

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to go visit there probably still is, but your personal style and like the tolerance of people

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who sort of jump in and might be a little bit silly.

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Also, your ability to sort of stay on the track and help people out, I guess, was I

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really appreciated that.

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I appreciate that.

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As a listener, you know what I mean?

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Yeah, thank you.

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That means a lot.

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I think like realizing that I had a teaching gene was helpful.

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Like I did some tutoring.

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I'm a video editor by trade.

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So in my like free time before I really got into Cosmos, I would do fiver but not for

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video editing jobs, but for teaching people video editing.

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And actually I still offer that to people in the Cosmos.

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There's tons of people that I've talked with usually just casually offhand they'll mention

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they're doing some video project or something.

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And I'll be like, oh, if you want to schedule a call, like I'd love to give you some tips

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or crash course if the program's new to you or whatever.

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I think like spreading education is just key.

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Especially if you can do it in like a clean and digestible manner.

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Yeah, I was gonna make a joke or that one.

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I'll add one other thing on the Twitter space question.

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So recently another space, this is Spark IBC more so that's like hosting this along with

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Cosmos Spaces.

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Once at the end of every month, we recently just did our first one for October.

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We're gonna be doing something called a Cosmos Town Hall.

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It won't be on the exact same date and time because we have a lot of schedules to coordinate

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but basically what we'll do there and what we just recently did is like 15 to 30 minutes

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recap of the month.

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So just quickly going through the major things that happened in the Cosmos in the prior 30

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days.

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And then a panel of guests on whatever a hot topic that month is.

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So we just did liquid staking.

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We had on stride, persistence, pop most.

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We're gonna have a stake easy and quick silver but both of them like had issues near hours

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before.

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So that's something we're gonna be continually doing as well at the end of every month that

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hopefully turns into a pretty big and like really community effort where everyone had

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a two men.

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Yeah.

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So you guys are also running validators, right?

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We are.

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Yeah, we have Spark IBC validators on a couple chains.

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The major ones are Juno and Evmos but then we're also on, make sure I don't miss any

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here, Nomek, Territory, Passage, Stride, Gravity, Poirot and Odin.

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That's cool to do.

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So what happened there actually is we recently partnered with an existing validator team that

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was only on some of the smaller networks that I just mentioned.

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They were called Steady Crypto.

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Oh, I remember actually, yeah.

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I'm a big fan of Steady actually.

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They've been around for a little while now, always been a smaller validator but I'm glad

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that they've teamed up with...

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Did you know they run the AirDrops One account on Twitter?

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Yes, I did.

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The funny thing is they've got a lot of moral fiber.

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They basically refused to advertise themselves on AirDrop One as well.

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Yeah, I love them.

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Constantly giving shoutouts to other validators.

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Even now, whenever we do a list of validators, Spark won't be at the top.

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We think that's a good rule of thumb if we want to practice what we preach about decentralization

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and lifting up others.

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For sure, that shows a lot of restraint, I guess.

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When you're a validator and you're trying to do value add things and different bits

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and pieces, it's always hard to not want to try and shove yourself at the top of the list

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and use that platform to advertise yourself.

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You know what I mean?

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So I can appreciate that's quite an effort to put in that restraint.

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It's funny you mentioned that though, because I am of that mindset heavily.

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I really don't like shilling my own stuff.

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Like I said, I like showing rather than telling.

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It's actually been hard for me recently, because both Evmos and Juno, Evmos more so, has been

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a struggle.

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It's been dancing on the floor.

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We've popped out of the active set for a couple minutes at a time, multiple times.

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It's really hard to find that balance of, okay, we have to go post something.

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We have to shill ourselves.

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But also me being like, I don't love it when I see another validator posting 10 times a

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day about delegate to me.

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So it's a hard balance to find.

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Look, I'm going to give you some sound advice here.

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Shill yourself.

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Because to be on a level playing field with everyone else, you've got to shill yourself.

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Because not everyone's going to have that same.

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You know, restraint or, you know, what I'm saying is like, the point is, it's emotional.

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You're operating like up here and everyone else is down here.

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So get the DJs and at least give yourself a bit of a kick up.

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Because other people aren't going to do it for you.

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And your community is like the number one thing in validating as well.

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Obviously, there's no security and being able to run all this stuff, which obviously, steady

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crypto is like good at.

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But I mean, if you want to be viable long term and have any kind of income that's going

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to be able to support your other efforts, kill yourself and people won't mind if you're

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doing it for the kind of reasons you are.

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So yeah, no, I appreciate that.

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And I've been hearing that from all angles recently.

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So go delegate to Spark IBC on June 1 of most.

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I literally just saw you serve his face.

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Go like, that's going to hit the limiter.

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No, that's okay.

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I went like literally two inches closer to the mic than I am right now.

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I didn't think it would be that.

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I think we're all sitting in front of some pretty big monitors and my ears almost just

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fucking exploded.

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Oh, sorry guys.

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Hey, Rhino's only like six spots above Spark.

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So if you're going down that list, hey, stop, stop at 119 for it as well.

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Yeah, no, we.

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Yeah, sorry.

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I didn't have anything major.

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I was going to say like, I think what Schiltzi you're on.

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We're talking about Osmosis, right?

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Oh, Edmos.

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Oh, Edmos.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

483
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:24,360
It is.

484
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:31,440
It seems like the definition of a chain where the idea that it's just a multi, multi-angled

485
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,240
war of all against all.

486
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,240
Yeah.

487
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,520
And you just, everything's just slipping towards the whatever the game theory dominant strategy

488
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,080
is, which is, I don't know, fucking tattoo yourself or something.

489
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,840
And everybody was just, is kind of my impression of the Osmosis.

490
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,640
Osmosis is where the money is, right?

491
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,640
Yeah.

492
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,800
Not, not, not invalidating specifically.

493
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,880
I just mean literally, that's where the liquidity goes through.

494
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:00,880
Yeah.

495
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,880
Yeah.

496
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,080
Osmosis is the real hub, right?

497
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,080
That's the meme.

498
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,480
Osmosis is the real hub.

499
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,800
It's no meme, sir.

500
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,920
Well, I mean, it's true, but it's the meme, but it is true.

501
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,520
Like it is actually correct.

502
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,160
Like it is, it is definitely factually correct, but it is also the meme now.

503
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,040
It's very important that we don't piss anybody off.

504
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,040
So we're joking.

505
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,080
The distinction between the fact and the meme.

506
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,600
We're joking by referencing the meme, but we're also deadly, but we don't.

507
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,600
I get it.

508
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,840
There will be multiple hubs in the Cosmos for sure.

509
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:38,160
So Tim A, I just want to know, you're, you're obviously deep in the Cosmos, right?

510
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,520
Like you are communicating with people all the time.

511
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,600
You on Twitter a lot.

512
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:50,600
And I want to know, as someone deeply involved, what is the spicy of shit you've heard this

513
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,600
week?

514
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,880
Where's the spice man?

515
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,480
There's been some shit going on this week.

516
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:05,080
So, um, you know, I think I want to, I want to hear what's near and dear to your heart

517
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120
on the shit list.

518
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,600
I mean, the first, it's not super spicy.

519
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,400
All things considered the level of spice we get to in the Cosmos, but I'd say like the

520
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:22,520
jackal drama has definitely been what's kind of occupying the drama part of my mind this

521
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,520
week.

522
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,520
Ooh, you can say that.

523
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:25,520
Not very spicy.

524
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:34,000
I mean, no, it's not as spicy as the anti-Semitic arc we had a week or two ago, I feel like.

525
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Oh yeah.

526
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000
That was, we never talked.

527
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,000
Oh no, we did.

528
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000
We brushed on that.

529
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Didn't we?

530
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,680
We did talk about it, but I mean, it's like when we were talking about it.

531
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,680
Yeah.

532
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,920
Well, the, I think the difficulty is what, what people learn from that situation is that

533
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:57,000
there are a, the A is an anti-Semitism problem in Cosmos B. There is a hardcore group of

534
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,880
people that are going to, if you say anything about J. Quann, they're going to come after

535
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:08,560
you and those two things combined make it tedious to point out the obvious, which is

536
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:14,920
that there is a pretty solid case against J. Quann.

537
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:22,400
I mean, he's fucking checked in a series of git committed anti-Semitic content to a repository

538
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,080
is signed with his fucking key.

539
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:31,000
I mean, literally, there is no more guilty than you can be than curating up over a period

540
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,400
of time and adding git commits with your thoughts as you do it.

541
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,760
To, to, like it's just, it's so red handed that it's, it's comedic.

542
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,360
The only thing that you can, the only defense available was to say, I don't think I've done

543
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,520
anything wrong or the classic pedophile defense, which is always research, right?

544
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,000
Either it was research.

545
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,720
No, no, it's a really common defense for people in the public eye.

546
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,280
I don't know what would pedophilic material they say, I was researching a role because

547
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,880
I'm an actor or something like that.

548
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:08,880
And it's very, very hard to prove, like to do anything other than a misdemeanor of having

549
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,800
the content rather than like distributing or any of the other things, which let's be

550
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,360
honest, it's quite obvious that.

551
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:22,920
I'm pretty sure all that Jay did too was just take the last like 300 images posted to biz

552
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,720
and just upload them to GitHub.

553
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,360
I went through that repo and like it was just like a ton of like 4chan level conspiracy

554
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:40,280
and like shit posts amongst with anti-Semitism like just sprinkled throughout.

555
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,920
It was really bizarre, honestly.

556
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,640
I don't, I don't know how he has such a, the following he does to be honest.

557
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,640
Yes.

558
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:53,760
And I think the fact that you can't criticize it or point it out is like incredibly unhealthy.

559
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,280
Oh yeah.

560
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,040
That whole drama cycle was, and I've noticed it's kind of vaguely been kind of lingering

561
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,840
along in the background this week until at all, that is the most tedious plot line of

562
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,360
the cosmos at the moment for me.

563
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,160
I'm just like, I'm ready for Jay Kwan to fuck off, frankly.

564
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,160
I don't.

565
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,160
Cheers for 10 times.

566
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,600
Here's what I don't get.

567
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,640
Like you mentioned, Frey, there's clearly an army of people who will like stand up for

568
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,320
him and like rally.

569
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,680
But so when I started making this account and up until only like a few months ago, I'd

570
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:33,320
basically follow anyone with a cosmos icon in their like name or their bio, including

571
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:39,080
Jay and not once on my feed ever do I see stuff from Jay or people supporting him.

572
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,560
So like, are there just two completely separate communities on Twitter like his and the rest

573
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,560
of cosmos?

574
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,440
Cause like, where are these people that support him?

575
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,440
I don't see.

576
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,080
I haven't been selective in who I follow.

577
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,160
You know what I mean?

578
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,240
They only come out when you, you know, give it a hard time.

579
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,240
Yeah.

580
00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,640
So, you know, kind of has his own thing going on as well, just because of, I don't know

581
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,760
exactly what, what, because it doesn't seem like the group of people involved in know

582
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,160
would necessarily be just distinct from the rest of the cosmos.

583
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,360
But Jacob used to be a heavy supporter of no as well.

584
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,400
Is he still or is he not anymore?

585
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,400
I would imagine.

586
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:22,000
I would imagine is nice being the leader of the, the we need to cancel Jay now.

587
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,200
If I had to guess though, knowing Jacob, his attitude would probably be something like

588
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,040
Jay bad tech good.

589
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,040
Make the decision.

590
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,040
I was thinking the same thing.

591
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,800
You might just be like, well, it's like good.

592
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,760
So yeah, I don't know.

593
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,400
It's you never know with Jacob, which way he might go.

594
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,800
Well, Jacob was historically a big supporter of Jay, wasn't he?

595
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,800
Yeah.

596
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,800
Yep.

597
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,800
Up until recently.

598
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,640
Well, that's why I had the big, that's why I had the copy of the GitHub repo, I guess,

599
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:49,640
because he was added to it.

600
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Well, I mean, it's also a little bit strange because like, I'm pretty sure in his post,

601
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,880
he said that he had shared that link with him quite some time ago, but I could be wrong

602
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,880
about that.

603
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:00,880
Yeah.

604
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,920
He said he'd been like sleeping on it and something recently prompted him to be like, you know

605
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:05,920
what, this is not okay.

606
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,520
I need to make this public.

607
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,520
Yeah.

608
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,360
And also there's like a lot there.

609
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,480
There are a gather some layoffs and things, ICF at the moment.

610
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:23,720
And there is, there's a lot of money and there's a lot of influence around that organization

611
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:31,080
and their priorities do matter to a, how the cosmos looks to the outside world, which doesn't

612
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,080
always matter.

613
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:38,400
I mean, who, you know, who gives a fuck to some extent, but if you're trying to get

614
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:44,160
devs into the ecosystem in particular, the level of clown car that's going on does

615
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:51,480
matter if you're trying to convince good people to, to, to, to consider leaving a doubly so

616
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,520
in a bear market, to consider leaving a stable, regular dev job and come do whatever the fuck

617
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,400
it is we're doing here.

618
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,960
And like the drama stuff does not help like really does not help.

619
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,280
And the, and then there's also just all the stuff about like the ICF is a big funder.

620
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,560
They have big projects.

621
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,920
They have, they have big pockets.

622
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:20,680
They have projects that affect the whole interchain and an instability and toxicity cause, have

623
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,280
a knock on effect that's outsized.

624
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,640
And you can, and, and I think that's one where it's difficult.

625
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,320
It would be difficult to argue, basically the evidence we've seen from people talking

626
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,520
about tendermint back in the day and ICF now and what goes on, that there isn't something

627
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,080
of a toxic culture there.

628
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,080
And that feels like it's coming from that direction, but admittedly that's just my take

629
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,080
from fucking seeing people talking about it.

630
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,440
I actually don't know.

631
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,200
I don't know enough about it to like make a call on that.

632
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,160
So I'll leave that to somebody else to go and investigate, but it seems like that, there

633
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,680
is a problem there and there has historically been a problem there as well.

634
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:07,320
So, so I don't really want to, for us to get too hung up again on, on this topic.

635
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:15,400
So kind of moving on, the drama over my night that's, that's rear to Ted and I'm sure you

636
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:25,480
guys got to experience it in real time is the Hetzner sacking Solana.

637
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,760
They've just ransacked a bunch of nodes and, and dropped out like a whole heap of Solana

638
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,760
validators.

639
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:38,360
So I believe that's increased the fear level by a thousand in the cosmos, which I think

640
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,280
spicy as shit and I love it.

641
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,520
The OVH teams sitting back smoking cigars right now.

642
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,520
I'll tell you that.

643
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,520
Yeah.

644
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,520
I've got that cigars.

645
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,520
Like come on over boys.

646
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,520
Maybe Hetzner and Mata.

647
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,520
Just ready to make crypto friendly.

648
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,520
Oh, they are.

649
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,520
Yeah.

650
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,320
They're in their, in their terms of service, they're crypto friendly and, and there's more

651
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,280
options in terms of data centers and.

652
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,720
Yeah, there's kind of has explicitly told me that I can do it.

653
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,520
So to do what?

654
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,520
Safe who run nodes?

655
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:09,520
They said we won't.

656
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,520
Oh yeah.

657
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,760
They're very, very, very, it works.

658
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:12,760
We don't care.

659
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,000
In terms of service, everything else.

660
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Yeah.

661
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,080
But I'm sure those guys are feet up on desk.

662
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,760
Just watching, watching orders.

663
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,720
And he said, I don't spend enough money.

664
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:24,200
I'm like, yeah, exactly.

665
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,200
Why would they?

666
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,200
Yeah.

667
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,200
It's like asking Amazon.

668
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,400
Maybe if you bought like a hundred, a hundred nodes, I'm like, what the fuck man?

669
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,360
What do you think?

670
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,400
I think I run Terraform and fucking Docker containers.

671
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,400
Yeah.

672
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,880
I was, I was like, just get PTSD for, for my week, which was, which was a little bit

673
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,880
like that.

674
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:52,480
Well, at least except with, except with, you do spend enough, but here are some additional

675
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,560
things that are not desirable and you're like, at least you know, they are going to be really

676
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,120
hesitant to cut you off because they are cutting checks.

677
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:07,080
So I think, I think your boy, Bezos has got your back.

678
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,920
I don't think he is going to like, I think they'll be fine.

679
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,000
Well, one of the things that he doesn't see is you can't run, you can't run proof of work

680
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,120
chains, but you can run run proof of stake chains.

681
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,120
Sure.

682
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,200
It's the mining bit.

683
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,360
I know them, but at least unless it's changed.

684
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,280
The mining bit was explicitly a no, no in the AWS TSEs.

685
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,320
That kind of makes sense though, right?

686
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,320
Yeah, totally makes sense.

687
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,600
The fuck would run that up there anyway?

688
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,600
Yeah.

689
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,240
Those GPU costs are ridiculously expensive up there.

690
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,600
So like you would never make money.

691
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,360
I have a question I'd love, like all your guys input on that's been prompted and kind

692
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,480
of bouncing around in my head since the, the Hetsner news earlier.

693
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,120
I'm wondering like, and this is not a thought through thought really, it's just something

694
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:55,280
I've been bouncing around, like I said, I'm wondering if like a path forward might be

695
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:03,440
to change some of the lower level stuff with Tendermint and the Cosmos SDK to more so facilitate

696
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,440
bare metal validators.

697
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,960
Like I'm not, I don't do the DevOps on our notes.

698
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:14,160
I don't know a lot of the details I don't claim to, but things just like, there are

699
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,880
certain reasons that people are opposed to doing bare metal right now.

700
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,480
There's nothing to do with Tendermint.

701
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,120
Well, not Tendermint.

702
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:27,120
I guess where, where would be like downtime slashing?

703
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Yeah, that's not Tendermint.

704
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,480
Yeah, downtime slashing isn't really an issue.

705
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,480
It's just the parameter.

706
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,640
Yeah, it's not an issue.

707
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,640
It's just not an issue.

708
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,720
You've got 13 hours to bring a note up.

709
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,320
Like if you do a serious government contract, you're on three nines.

710
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,320
That's like what?

711
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,440
Eight hours or something during the year?

712
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,440
Yeah.

713
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,440
Yeah.

714
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,440
I think someone's not.

715
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,880
I mean, you brought down a server for two hours because of a fuck up.

716
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,520
Like that is a stressful SLA.

717
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:59,120
13 hours, which you can potentially do like once a week and get away with, do maintenance.

718
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,120
Once every other day.

719
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,120
Yeah.

720
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,120
Yeah.

721
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,120
It's just, it's chill.

722
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,120
It's chill as fuck.

723
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:12,640
Like Cosmos is a very, apart from the risk of double sign, Cosmos is incredibly denying

724
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,600
as a system to run in the ground.

725
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,520
So what's holding you guys back from running bare metal valves?

726
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:21,520
Or are you?

727
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,760
I think we all run bare metal valves.

728
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,760
I think everyone will.

729
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,600
Well, no, so there's two things here.

730
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,360
Timmy's talking about bare metal at your house.

731
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,360
Yeah.

732
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,360
Oh, yeah.

733
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,760
It's just like internet to me.

734
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,520
It's just not possible because of the bandwidth requirements.

735
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,560
Like if you're running in chains from your house, you're like, it's gonna be missing

736
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,560
shit all over the place.

737
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,560
That's all it is.

738
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,560
It's fucking noise.

739
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,200
So there's also like stigma, Timmy.

740
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:52,400
Like if you, if you're running bare metal at your house on a fast chain, right?

741
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,320
And you're missing like, you know, one in five blocks.

742
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,680
It's just that people look at that and they think you're a shit operator.

743
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,680
You might not be.

744
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,680
Yeah.

745
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,680
But, but people just don't understand the limitations of actually running that shit

746
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:07,680
from your house.

747
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,400
If you're on say network and even Jacob tried to run it from their office, which they've

748
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,080
got some reasonably decent internet connections there.

749
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,960
And they were missing shit all over the place just because it's, it's too fast and, and

750
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,960
the latency is no good.

751
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,360
And if you're running a bunch of other crap on that same network, you're just never gonna

752
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,600
hit all the blocks.

753
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,440
And then that comes with a stigma from the public.

754
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,040
They go, they look at you because people are always throwing up the bloody uptime from

755
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,040
ping.

756
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,120
What if we were to coordinate with Kepler, Cosmos station, men's scan everywhere that

757
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:45,960
shows uptime and like, we can't even coordinate with these people to fix their fucking display

758
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:46,960
of validation.

759
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,960
I know.

760
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:48,960
I know.

761
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:49,960
Like they just won't give up.

762
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:50,960
Fuck.

763
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,960
Yeah.

764
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,160
The problem is, the problem is not that you should run your stuff from your house because

765
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,680
you should not do that.

766
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,160
You're, you're, your ISP will cut you off.

767
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:04,000
There are, there are a whole bunch of things that can happen.

768
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:11,480
It's just, and it's also just not what, tendermat is designed to run 150, maybe 200, maybe a

769
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,320
bit more validators at present.

770
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,120
I mean, it's, it's a, it's a peer to peer network, a networking protocol where every

771
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,680
peer has to communicate with every other peer in order to make a block.

772
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:32,000
Like that is not, it is designed in a particular way to do a particular thing, which it sort

773
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:42,440
of implies by its design in its current form is a kind of, it's, it's, it's meant to be

774
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,120
run on a rack probably is kind of, is there.

775
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,120
Absolutely.

776
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,120
Absolutely.

777
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,560
No fucking problem with running it in a data center.

778
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,400
Like, yeah, it's not, it's not a lot of them when a lot of time together, it's not like

779
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:02,480
a light client thing you can run with like a lot of misses and be sort of fine because

780
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,400
of the general network power.

781
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,040
That's a lot of the properties of what I'm trying to say, I'm trying to say that right.

782
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,880
So the point is, tendermat is about fast finality.

783
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,760
It's about fast finality.

784
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:19,840
It's about that property rather than like in like liveness in the same way.

785
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,760
It's about like privileging that liveness rather than say the things that prove for work privileges,

786
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,960
which as you know, can come in and out and et cetera, et cetera, or other chains where

787
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:36,000
there's a random seed in the consensus protocol or different implementations of partially

788
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,640
Byzantine fault tolerant systems where they have a hub and spokes model or a, or they

789
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,920
have a leader election like you'd have in like other distributed systems like Apache

790
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,040
Kafka or, or, you know, anything that uses raft or something like that.

791
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:58,040
There are a whole bunch of ways to solve that particular problem, but you, you're always

792
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,680
making tradeoffs and distributed systems and tendermen has made like a kind of, a kind

793
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:08,840
of choice to be like, like clients can interact with it, but like clients are like a separate

794
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,320
part of the, of the puzzle, I guess.

795
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,320
Yeah.

796
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:20,960
So I guess like, so you're saying because of the way it works that if everybody is at

797
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,200
their homes, then you're going to have high latency in the network.

798
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,680
And basically it'll, it'll affect the network performance.

799
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,400
So it won't be performant.

800
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:35,000
So fast finality and the whole way the software is designed is that fast finality is more

801
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,560
important than like the other centralization.

802
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,560
Yeah.

803
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,080
There are a whole bunch of other properties that, that you trade off on like fast finality,

804
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:54,120
like, obviously like the, the, the kind of, um, what's the, somebody, somebody comes to

805
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,120
my aid here, the whole, the whole point of proof of state versus proof of work.

806
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,520
Rugging the, the, the, the, the censorship resistance part, like marketing.

807
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,720
There is no censorship resistance.

808
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:07,720
Right.

809
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,840
Well, there's, there's a simple right away running, running all it hurts.

810
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:17,520
I mean, as you can literally just like export the fucking chain state and then just delete

811
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,240
it because if the validators all decide that it's the state, then it's easy peasy.

812
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:25,640
And I get you can also do that with proof of work, but it's much harder.

813
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:26,640
Well proof of work.

814
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,640
Yeah.

815
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:28,640
Yeah.

816
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:35,640
I think you have to own the blocks for like a while to be able to actually change the,

817
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,800
but I mean, it can be down to one, like if you command most of the network and there's

818
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,400
a higher, higher frequency of block creation, like you can do it, but you'd have to look

819
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,800
at like a theory and proof of stake.

820
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,840
It's still like the finality on that is still quite, quite slow because it's still kind

821
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,840
of coming off of it.

822
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:52,840
Yeah.

823
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,600
I guess that's not fair comparison.

824
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,440
There is an absolute shit ton of fucking notes.

825
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,440
Yeah.

826
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,440
Yeah.

827
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,440
It's not fair.

828
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,920
It's not actually fair comparison in any way.

829
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:04,920
They're proof.

830
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,040
They're doing a different trade off there on me.

831
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,200
I'm surprised it doesn't take a month to make a block on Ethereum.

832
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,400
But then we're at the end of the board.

833
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,000
More people do run that from home.

834
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Oh yeah.

835
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,800
And that's your trade off illustrated there.

836
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,200
The finality is not as fast.

837
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,200
Yeah.

838
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:29,240
You get, they get some pretty harsh and swift slashings though as well in, I think like

839
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:35,400
even data center hosted nodes when the network started were getting slashed.

840
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,400
Wasn't there, what's that guy that's like a company that's like a total whitelist or

841
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,360
a white, white all nodes?

842
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,080
Is that who got all nodes?

843
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,080
Yeah.

844
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,080
Yeah.

845
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,080
You got slash like straight away.

846
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,080
At least one of their nodes did.

847
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,400
Straight off the bat.

848
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,280
So no one's safe on there.

849
00:47:51,280 --> 00:48:00,640
I don't really know too much about either Ethereum POS, but it seems like slashville.

850
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,480
The block time is like dead.

851
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,040
It's complete, I mean, it's 12 seconds, so it's not that hard to hit, but it is dead

852
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,400
flat where before like in the proof of work world, it was all over the place, but it is

853
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,320
like dead flat in terms of that part of it.

854
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,240
I mean, 12 seconds is a fair amount of time to like communicate.

855
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:17,240
Can we do anything?

856
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:18,240
Yeah.

857
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:19,240
For sure.

858
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:20,240
Yeah.

859
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:24,440
And everyone's like, you know, now in the 10 minute world, everyone's pushing for these

860
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,160
sub one second blocks now.

861
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,080
So it's just getting a bit crazy.

862
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,200
Which I would say that tenement is not built for.

863
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,680
No, thanks.

864
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,240
That's not built for it.

865
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:36,240
Yeah.

866
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,400
But everyone wants to do it.

867
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:45,000
And you know, there's just like if you, if you speed up the chain by 10 times, you end

868
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,360
up with 10 times the data.

869
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,240
I don't know where in the fuck they intend to put it all because no nodes are going to

870
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:51,240
keep it.

871
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:58,280
No validators going to keep 10 terabytes of data after a year because like your performance

872
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,880
of your node would go to shit, you'd be missing everything, the database is just way too big.

873
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,640
And so you're going to have to have archive nodes holding onto all this gear.

874
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,360
But I mean, that's even getting pretty big.

875
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,120
And when you look at the limitations of storage, like people, people are going to have to run

876
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:16,400
like, you know, storeinators of SSD to keep this network.

877
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,960
There was a discussion about this already.

878
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,960
Wasn't there the other day on the, in the Juneau private voucher where somebody was trying

879
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:31,480
to work out like where Juneau is now and how fast it's going in a like comedically large

880
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,480
storage direction.

881
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:38,320
And that's with five, six second blocks where the decision was made to not speed up blocks

882
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,000
because there's quite a lot of smart contract execution.

883
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,040
And like you say, storage bloat is very real on Juneau.

884
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,880
Well, we will also have performance issues as well.

885
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:53,920
If we try to speed up the blocks, your requirements of your nodes go up by quite a bit just to

886
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,880
be able to have all the execute in bosom.

887
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,040
So all those shit nodes are just going to drag down the network anyway.

888
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:07,840
And there's probably enough of enough of them on the network to actually like delay blocks

889
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,920
in any case to get consensus.

890
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:10,920
Yeah.

891
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,440
I mean, I think it's a matter of inefficiency.

892
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,720
I mean, I mean, you can go look at, I mean, say it, I think say network has been the

893
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:21,400
biggest proponent of kind of driving the block time down, right?

894
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,720
So I'm looking at the DevNet node.

895
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:28,240
I was just bringing it up in Grafana.

896
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:32,120
So on, say DevNet, there, you know, there's, I think, I forget how many validators there's,

897
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,240
it's very small peer set, 14 validators on, say Dev, I think right now.

898
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:37,240
Yeah.

899
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:38,240
Yeah.

900
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,240
The set is 14.

901
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,520
They have that with the cycling program they're doing.

902
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,280
That's on, I think that's on Atlantic one.

903
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,280
I'm just talking about DevNet.

904
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,880
I think DevNet has been kind of staying for that.

905
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:51,280
So on the DevNet side, I think there's, actually, I'm sorry, there's 25 validators at any one

906
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,480
time there's between two and 10 that are missing.

907
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,200
The block time on average is about 676 milliseconds.

908
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:04,800
So which is, I mean, really fast in Cosmos terms in, in other networks, it's not incredibly

909
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:05,800
fast.

910
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:12,720
And right now our NVMe on that drive is writing at 40 megabytes per second.

911
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:17,440
So it's writing at 14 megs a second and there's zero transactions, zero transactions.

912
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,440
There's nothing.

913
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,440
Yeah.

914
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:24,080
So that leads to something I was thinking of where like, I'm not really worried about

915
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:30,120
these problems because I'm almost 100% sure all of this stuff is going to be solved with

916
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,280
out of the box thinking eventually.

917
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,960
Like what I feel like what Say is doing, at least to a layman like me is sort of brute

918
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,200
forcing for speed.

919
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:44,680
They're taking what's already there and configuring it and tweaking it and pushing boundaries

920
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,000
to get it as fast as possible.

921
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:53,200
But at some point here, someone's going to come up with a totally new innovative solution.

922
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,320
Your example is perfect there, a surfer.

923
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,240
Like if there are no transactions going on, there's no reason it should be writing and

924
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:01,600
reading that much.

925
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,280
Like I absolutely do not have my head wrapped around it.

926
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,280
Don't know if it's even true.

927
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,720
I just don't care that much, but I started reading a little bit about like a cool thing

928
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:18,720
that Cardano does with their transactions and with like batching and then also pruning

929
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:19,720
blocks.

930
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:25,880
Like I think there will be both innovations to our core infrastructure tech as well as

931
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,840
like third party solutions that will come around that will solve these things from like

932
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,760
a totally different angle.

933
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,400
Like there's no reason no matter how fast the blocks are that you should be writing

934
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,000
that much if there's no transactions.

935
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,000
Right?

936
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,840
Why are those blocks not just like empty?

937
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,280
Like you just do the compute to verify them, but I don't know.

938
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,320
This is getting outside of my expertise to speak on.

939
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,320
But you know what I mean?

940
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,840
Like I think whereas it's brute forcing it, I think creative something akin to like what

941
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,240
L2s were for Ethereum at first.

942
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,680
Like this totally like we can't speed up Ethereum.

943
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,200
So let's think outside the box and do a side chain.

944
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,960
Like I don't know if we'll have side chains in Cosmos, but something.

945
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:09,080
I agree, I think that there's a sorry, she'll cut you off, but there's a drive to lower block

946
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,080
times.

947
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,560
So as that and that wasn't really a, I would say a business driver if you want to use the

948
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:15,560
right term.

949
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,320
It wasn't really a driver, a functionality driver in the past.

950
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,800
And now it's turning into a sales clearly needs it from if you want to be able to run

951
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,760
up an order book in some sort of chain that needs to have some fast finality associated

952
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,160
to it and it needs to have some fast block times.

953
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,040
And so will that drive innovation here?

954
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,040
Absolutely.

955
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,920
Like it's going to like, I agree with you, it's going to happen.

956
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,600
I, the, the, the real question turns into how many, how many teams need that?

957
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,280
And I would think that nobody would push against faster block times.

958
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,520
Like every, every user experience is going to be better with faster block time, regardless

959
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,920
of that stargaze and I want to be able to mentor be able to be able to do a bid or something

960
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:54,920
else.

961
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,200
There's no bad, there's nothing bad associated to I think faster block times, unless you get

962
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,880
into this mev space, maybe, but we could talk about that later.

963
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,560
So will there be innovation there?

964
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:05,560
Yes.

965
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,160
This question is like, where does that innovation come from and who has the motivation to do

966
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,160
that?

967
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,400
And how does that handle upstream and, and those types of things.

968
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,320
And that's part of an open source network, right?

969
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,320
So,

970
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,960
See, if that's like, that's the type of thing.

971
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:24,840
If someone has a light bulb one day, they just have this phenomenal idea for how a generalized

972
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,520
problem like this could be tackled that all chains share.

973
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,440
We hope to like get to a point where that's something they could come to spark IBC with

974
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,160
and like run a campaign for funding and like get that there.

975
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,160
There you go.

976
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,000
Sorry to segue back there, but that's just a perfect example.

977
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,440
That's exactly the type of thing.

978
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,040
Once we're bigger and more established, you know, let's say the ICF turns their nose up

979
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,400
at it for whatever reason.

980
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,400
That's what we're here for.

981
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,760
And I also think that, I also think that there will be some technical limitations that this

982
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,600
architecture cannot support, which I think is where Schultz who was headed.

983
00:54:54,600 --> 00:55:00,600
And in another chain that we're involved in, because at some point, there will be some

984
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:10,240
architectural fundamental decisions that were made years ago that cannot support specific

985
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:11,740
needs.

986
00:55:11,740 --> 00:55:15,680
And so it'll require either a reboot or a rewrite or something similar to that, which

987
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,080
will be somebody will say, well, why don't we do this in the cosmos?

988
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,320
Why don't we launch cosmos to?

989
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,320
What was it?

990
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,320
Reward the ABC problems, right?

991
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,600
Isn't that ABC?

992
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,600
I could be completely wrong about this, but late isn't lazy blocks potentially a thing

993
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,640
that is going to come to tendermint when they launch ABC?

994
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,840
I plus plus citation needed.

995
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:37,840
I'm not sure.

996
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:38,840
I got nothing.

997
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,480
I feel like this is something that Schultz I was kind of looking to Schultz.

998
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,240
I was like, I know, he's looking lower left.

999
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:45,240
I know.

1000
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:49,280
Somebody in the last few weeks has talked to me about lazy blocks coming and I can't

1001
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:54,000
remember what times fail and then my brain was just like, is this ABC?

1002
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,800
I play like, yeah, is this a butterfly meme?

1003
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:57,800
Is this ABC?

1004
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,280
I plus plus have I just suddenly joined the dots and understood it or are they two completely

1005
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,400
unseparate like unrelated things?

1006
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:04,400
Yep.

1007
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:05,400
I got nothing.

1008
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,880
I've been driving for the last two weeks.

1009
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,920
So he's like, I don't know.

1010
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,520
I'm just staring at I 80 West or whatever it is.

1011
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,600
But I think we talked about this a bit ago, right?

1012
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,360
Like we were talking about like what the actual core competency and what's like the what's

1013
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:26,400
the most valuable thing within the cosmos and because we were talking about from a cosmosom

1014
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:34,040
not cosmos, but the I forget what Larry's writing in terms of rewriting the tendermint.

1015
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,040
Oh, right.

1016
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,040
So CW SDK.

1017
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,040
Yeah.

1018
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,040
Yeah.

1019
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,040
Thank you.

1020
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,600
So what's the core value of cosmos and that might be ABC, right?

1021
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,440
And so if so, so if ABC is the core value, then the the core value is the core value.

1022
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,680
But the this black speed issue and all that who gives a shit, right?

1023
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,640
Because what we really are talking about is just an API.

1024
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:59,560
And so if anything can, if anything can talk that API already for I think what you're going

1025
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,480
to arrive at is the we think we talked about a couple of show.

1026
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,840
Oh, God, maybe there's more shows again.

1027
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:06,840
There's been so many.

1028
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,840
It's been a lot.

1029
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,920
We were 36 apparently.

1030
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,360
But we were talking about that somebody done a proof of concept with.

1031
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:22,120
So it's like a different consensus because because obviously the interesting thing about

1032
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,680
the way cosmos chains are structured is that the consensus engine is over here and then

1033
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:32,240
the state machine replication is that was difficult to do is over here.

1034
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,680
And you build your application chain on top of your state machine.

1035
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,960
But the consensus layer is just like it's just how consensus is arrived at.

1036
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:46,280
And as long as it's kind of dealt with via a standard API, you can sort of switch them

1037
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,280
out.

1038
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,920
Although the blog post is interesting reading off try and find it for the show notes.

1039
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,240
It turns out ABC I like all the API's make some assumptions.

1040
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,680
So but then those things, you know, the subject to change.

1041
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,160
And the fact that they got it running at all is kind of interesting, even if they were

1042
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,720
like, this is not going to work in production.

1043
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,080
So that kind of again gives a kind of point as to where we we sort of might be going.

1044
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,160
And that is the underlying thesis of CWS DK.

1045
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,160
Well, I don't know.

1046
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,520
I guess I can't speak for everybody that wants to be involved in that.

1047
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,840
But I know I've talked to a few people.

1048
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:27,040
I've talked to shout out to Matt Bell from NoMIC who helped me with some really dumb

1049
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:33,640
questions about their Merkle tree implementation because I had some really like idiot level

1050
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:39,960
questions and he was super lovely and helpful and non judgemental about my stupid questions.

1051
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,040
But talking to people like that, there seems to there seem to be like quite a few people

1052
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,640
in the cosmos space that have a similar inkling that.

1053
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:51,400
Well, there's people who want just Russ tooling.

1054
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,640
And then there's people who are like, oh, and this also unlocks like the centrality

1055
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,800
of ABC is a concept because the only Russ tooling we have at the moment is Russ IBC.

1056
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:06,280
So we we're free to rethink some of the other bits of value.

1057
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:07,280
Right.

1058
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:16,320
There's a group of people around CWS DK and associated things that are kind of looking

1059
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,520
in that direction, right?

1060
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:19,520
Right.

1061
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:25,440
Which may be maybe maybe is I mean, and obviously that doesn't preclude like re architecting

1062
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:31,840
the go side, which I think was what you were kind of hinting out there as well, right?

1063
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,240
You can change existing chains, right?

1064
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,240
That's totally possible.

1065
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,920
We can just upgrade them.

1066
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,480
And technology, like those are all good things.

1067
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,920
And technology takes you so far.

1068
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,240
And to our point earlier about when we're going back to the jquan structure is if you

1069
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:50,000
don't step on your own, it's a terrible, maybe I won't say this, but if you don't step on

1070
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,840
your own, whatever, while you're getting there and you don't drive too much drama and you

1071
00:59:54,840 --> 01:00:00,440
don't drive like those types of tooling and those changes, we need people and we need

1072
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,760
developers and you need interest.

1073
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,200
And this is not a very large ecosystem.

1074
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:11,240
And the more drama that comes into that ecosystem, all these great visionary ideas of how this

1075
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:17,400
might work in the future get sidetracked because of stupid shit, right?

1076
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:22,440
And that that's a real part that that kind of concerns me is is all that is all that

1077
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,440
is absolutely right.

1078
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,680
And but you have to have the right people involved and you have to have the right, those

1079
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,360
people have to have vision in terms of where this is going and what the output come could

1080
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,040
be and why this is the right way to do this.

1081
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,400
And the more stupid shit that comes up from a DPS perspective, boy, is that impact, I

1082
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:45,160
think from a long term, how the success of this whole ecosystem.

1083
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:46,640
My two cents.

1084
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:47,640
Yeah.

1085
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:54,600
I mean, the fact that it has to that it's now come about because Larry, who is a committed

1086
01:00:54,600 --> 01:01:01,920
and clever dev just decided one one morning to get up and just start right on it.

1087
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,080
So then that would catalyze other people to actually do the thing that.

1088
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,680
That's how it happens, right?

1089
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:09,680
Yeah.

1090
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,720
But the fact that the fact that it's one dev is that's super, super cool.

1091
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,120
And it shows that there are people who really, really care about the cosmos.

1092
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:22,280
Well, it shows that people ignore that stupid shit the way we do.

1093
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:23,280
We do.

1094
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:24,280
Except on this show.

1095
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,520
But that stuff drives us, right?

1096
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,920
It doesn't drive my participation or anything else.

1097
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,960
Like it's just something that is there that I wish would go away.

1098
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:33,960
But you're right.

1099
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,760
Like Larry just puts his head down and gets it done.

1100
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:43,600
But there are organizations in the interchain that are on top of massive dollar treasuries,

1101
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,800
like massive.

1102
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:54,960
And they could have done this at any point in the last few years.

1103
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,120
This being what Larry's doing?

1104
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,120
Yeah.

1105
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:04,960
What the CW SDK project is doing, which is starting to look at what could be done with

1106
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:11,080
a future version of cosmos chains that are centered entirely around the value out of IBC.

1107
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,080
Right.

1108
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,680
But is that just a priority thing?

1109
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,480
Like they think there's other low hanging fruit that might be better use of time and

1110
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,280
effort versus a rearchitecture type of idea?

1111
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:27,560
Well, if I had $30 million in the bank or something, I could find enough devs to run

1112
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,720
more than one team to work on more than one thing.

1113
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:30,720
Do you know what I mean?

1114
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:31,720
True enough.

1115
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:32,720
Yeah.

1116
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,800
It's just a matter of priorities.

1117
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:42,160
I'd never get to write code again, but I'd have to manage people full time, but you can

1118
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,160
do it.

1119
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,040
I mean, scaling company is hard.

1120
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,240
It's much, much harder than writing code.

1121
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:48,240
Right.

1122
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,840
But if you've got money, then that's the hardest bit done.

1123
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:52,840
Yeah.

1124
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:58,400
I mean, I obviously don't know everything there is no about business, but I'm pretty

1125
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:03,280
sure step one is like, anyway, no, step one is acquire underpants, isn't it?

1126
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,280
Then question mark, then profit.

1127
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:06,280
So forgive me.

1128
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:07,520
I got it all backwards.

1129
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:08,680
We don't need to build software.

1130
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:09,680
It's fine.

1131
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,160
And there is no step two.

1132
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:18,200
On that note, I guess for the ICF has been doing all the log.

1133
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:22,800
Maybe they just have like a massive warehouse of pants and they're just like, what do we

1134
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:23,800
do now?

1135
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:24,800
Now what?

1136
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,520
So thanks for coming on, Timmy.

1137
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:28,880
We really appreciate it, man.

1138
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:34,960
And great to hear about the good of the Cosmos ecosystem projects you're working on.

1139
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:39,360
And I hope that people turn around their delegations and start flicking a bit your way, trying to

1140
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:44,240
get you up that list a bit, get you away from the floor is lava situation.

1141
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,240
Absolutely.

1142
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:50,680
And rest assured, you know, once we're safe, we'll continue champion and pioneering other

1143
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,920
small valves that are in the situation we were in.

1144
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,080
So definitely.

1145
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,960
And that's one thing that a lot of people, like a lot of the better operators do.

1146
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,920
They get themselves going, they pull themselves up and then they start helping other people.

1147
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,960
And we really appreciate that type of effort.

1148
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:11,160
I guess actually in that note, I feel an obligation here to shout out some of the valves that

1149
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,720
have helped us get into active sets, whether it's with their delegations or just helping

1150
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,680
out on the tech side, but notional, Cleo Meads, Ted Crypto.

1151
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,680
God, I don't even want to go on a list because I know I'm going to miss some.

1152
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,920
But for anyone who hears this, if you guys have helped us out, like immensely grateful

1153
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,840
and will definitely be returning a favor one day.

1154
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:40,000
On that note, nice, well done, dude.

1155
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,000
Getting better.

1156
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,000
I'm trying not to be a total asshole.

1157
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,000
No, it was good.

1158
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,000
That was great.

1159
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,320
I feel like thank our guests before we just ask.

1160
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,280
Did you thank him or you just said on that note and you hit the button?

1161
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:53,280
We said thank you on that note.

1162
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:54,280
Oh, you didn't?

1163
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,280
Okay.

1164
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,280
Thanks first.

1165
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:57,280
And then I said on that note.

1166
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:58,280
I was eating a Reese's Pieces.

1167
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,040
That was one of the, that was a pretty wholesome conversation.

1168
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,320
Yeah, we are getting better.

1169
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:10,560
We've got a hundred guys.

1170
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:14,640
We're getting the hang of it.

1171
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,640
By number 100, man.

1172
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,800
We're going to be things like cruise well oil, well oil.

1173
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,720
Decided we mediocre by 100.

1174
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:29,480
I mean, it's like we have an impressive commitment at the very least to maintaining

1175
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,640
a time slot and we have as much as possible.

1176
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,600
They obviously only know it's been here for 36.

1177
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,800
No, you missed one.

1178
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,040
Oh, wait, no, I didn't miss it.

1179
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,040
I was going to.

1180
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:43,240
You showed up at that's right.

1181
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,240
That was the one.

1182
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:45,240
That's one.

1183
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:46,240
You did.

1184
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,240
I was taking a caravan in the middle of the country with the thing.

1185
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,240
Yeah.

1186
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,240
Just shit.

1187
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,040
Thanks for buying Twitter, Elon.

1188
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,040
Correct.

1189
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,040
Looking forward to paying for a tick.

1190
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:06,760
The question will be like, will Game of Notes, the podcast outlive the Cosmos SDK?

1191
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,400
It was some spice.

1192
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,160
Some spice around that.

1193
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,160
I think it will.

1194
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:14,160
We should do that.

1195
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,880
We will place bets.

1196
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:16,880
Yeah.

1197
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:17,880
Yeah.

1198
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:18,880
Yeah.

1199
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:19,880
We need a betting system that's on chain.

1200
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,800
We need a system that will make them off your list.

1201
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,000
We could sign it, put it up there, show that we bet it at the right way.

1202
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,520
Well, there's a betting platform.

1203
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,160
Wait, maybe I can't talk about it.

1204
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:32,160
Forget about it.

1205
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,160
Wait, never mind.

1206
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,160
You didn't hear about that.

1207
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,160
Wait, there's one too.

1208
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:36,160
I don't know.

1209
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:37,160
There wasn't.

1210
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,160
Yeah.

1211
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,400
I don't want to like breach my NDA.

1212
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,480
That exists on the table now.

1213
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:43,480
Is it?

1214
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:44,480
Yeah.

1215
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:45,480
It is.

1216
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,480
It is.

1217
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:47,480
It is.

1218
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:48,480
It is.

1219
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,720
I'm just saying here.

1220
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:51,720
Yeah.

1221
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,200
I'm just in the room, man.

1222
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:54,200
I'm just around.

1223
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:55,200
I don't know.

1224
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,200
Whatever.

1225
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:57,800
I did hear about it.

1226
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:58,800
There's a couple of things.

1227
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,160
There's off the Cosmos, a couple of ecosystems.

1228
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:07,400
There is a couple of those that you can actually place a bet and sign it and be able to.

1229
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,600
Like if you want to pick a Super Bowl winner at a specific point, you can do that individually

1230
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,200
with a specific odd, put it on chain and see it.

1231
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,560
We could do that on something like this.

1232
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,760
I think they're opening up where you could have, I'll finally put it in the show notes.

1233
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,040
You can open up to any bet.

1234
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:25,360
So if you had like just like two or three friends, you wanted to bet like how long would

1235
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,840
Null's hair get before he gets a haircut, like on the side of his head and say like

1236
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:29,840
it's over a quarter inch.

1237
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:30,840
Yeah, man.

1238
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:31,840
I know.

1239
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:32,840
I know.

1240
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:33,840
I'm heading for a zero later on today.

1241
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:34,840
I can't wait.

1242
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:35,840
It's going to Null.

1243
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,840
But you could take it.

1244
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:38,840
You could put it on chain.

1245
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,200
It's getting real fucking hot around here.

1246
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,200
Is it?

1247
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,200
Oh yeah.

1248
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,200
So much coming around.

1249
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,240
You're getting on your leather couch in your RV and your ass is just pouring with sweat.

1250
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,240
Thanks.

1251
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,200
Fucking shooting kangaroos out the window and shit.

1252
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,600
The search lights on.

1253
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,600
Careful of the Scott Bears.

1254
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:03,360
You do imagine shooting kangaroos like Bancinran and the Paddock in an RV.

1255
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:08,040
Sweaty ass shooting kangaroos out the window.

1256
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,320
There's a lot of them, I guess.

1257
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,600
I can't imagine that.

1258
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,120
I guess you got to eat them.

1259
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:15,800
You got to eat kangaroos?

1260
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:16,800
You got to eat them.

1261
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:17,800
You can eat them.

1262
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:18,800
They're a bit gamey though.

1263
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:19,800
Okay.

1264
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:26,720
Because I would say as long as you only shoot what you're going to eat, there are so many

1265
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,640
kangaroos in Australia, right?

1266
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:29,640
So many.

1267
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:34,120
You're not going to actually run out.

1268
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:38,000
You're not going to cause them to be engaged if you shoot a couple just to eat them, right?

1269
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,000
No.

1270
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,000
I don't think so.

1271
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,720
I think even as a kind of pseudo vegetarian, I'm kind of okay with that.

1272
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,080
It's like a deer situation here in the US.

1273
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:50,480
Yeah, deer, like they literally would starve to death in the UK in winter unless you call

1274
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:51,480
them.

1275
01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:52,480
It's too many.

1276
01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:59,080
So we're about to hit the deer, Carl, which means I get a couple of guilt-free venison.

1277
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,080
Hey.

1278
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,240
Venison tenderlines, man.

1279
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:03,240
Those things are good.

1280
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:04,240
Smoke them up.

1281
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:05,600
Are we burning an NFT?

1282
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:06,600
Is that what we're doing here?

1283
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,560
Oh, this is what was on the fucking spreadsheet?

1284
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,600
So we, on a previous episode of the show, we said we were going to burn an NFT live

1285
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:20,680
on air and then Null couldn't get his things in gear to actually burn one.

1286
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,800
Like I've got my ledger in my hand now, so I'm thinking that's step one.

1287
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:25,800
Step one.

1288
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:26,800
Let's do 2195.

1289
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,120
What are we going to burn?

1290
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:29,120
Bad kids.

1291
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,120
What?

1292
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,120
Burned.

1293
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:32,120
Come on.

1294
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,120
Let's make it real.

1295
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:34,120
I'm not burning a bad kid.

1296
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:35,120
Let's burn bad kid 2195.

1297
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:36,120
Come on.

1298
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:37,120
That's correct.

1299
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,120
You can pick anything else.

1300
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,360
Anyone can burn anything else.

1301
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:41,360
Anything else?

1302
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:42,360
What?

1303
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:43,360
IBC friends, 7215.

1304
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,800
That's the rainbow too, man.

1305
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,120
No, I mean, I think you can burn the Bitcounter one.

1306
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,960
That IBC friend looks pretty chill.

1307
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:57,920
I mean, if you look happy too, you know, I mean, I think girls are just grabbing.

1308
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,560
Yeah, that's actually the best of your IBC friends as well.

1309
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,800
The other ones aren't so good.

1310
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,480
That's got the little hand primates as awful.

1311
01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:06,480
That is it.

1312
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:07,480
You can burn that too.

1313
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:09,400
The Bitcounter is worse so far.

1314
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,160
The Bitcounter is definitely worse.

1315
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:12,160
I don't think I can.

1316
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:13,440
Well, I mean, do we want to burn in all?

1317
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:18,560
I mean, if you want to, look, you want to like choose which one to burn.

1318
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:19,560
I do.

1319
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:20,560
And then 2195.

1320
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,560
One from your wallets.

1321
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:27,000
There's going to be a lot of good fucking NFTs you're burning the day scabble with.

1322
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,400
I'm not going to let you burn my glitch candies.

1323
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,160
Those dashes are actually cool and cost money.

1324
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:38,960
I was like, what if I bought one of those, you know, those like 50,000 star mint ones

1325
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,840
and like burn one of those, but it just seems like a waste of stars.

1326
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:42,840
It doesn't seem like a waste.

1327
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:43,840
It seems like a waste of stars.

1328
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,600
So partial match says like kill the monkeys.

1329
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,880
So I mean, I feel like.

1330
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,160
Yeah, right in in the comments.

1331
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:52,160
Which one do you want to get?

1332
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,160
So show us what else you got, right?

1333
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:55,160
Yeah, what else you got?

1334
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:56,160
There's nothing.

1335
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:57,160
All right.

1336
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:58,160
So I've got a few ones to kill.

1337
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,160
I have an Acre NFT.

1338
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,400
I'm sure I had like 10 of these fucking things.

1339
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:02,560
I don't know where they've gone.

1340
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:03,560
I don't.

1341
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,520
Why this interface 100 percent?

1342
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,880
So I'm sure I had more baby Adams as well.

1343
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:14,560
I don't know what a baby Adam does, but I don't think they're worth much.

1344
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:19,120
We got we got my prized bad kids here, which I'll never part with.

1345
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,120
Never.

1346
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:24,520
We've got the big big can of butthead, which I discovered defy says.

1347
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,120
I'm kind of partial to bad kid 24.

1348
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,480
That one looks like the grudge lady.

1349
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:33,480
Oh, the 2194 up here.

1350
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:34,480
Yeah.

1351
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:37,200
It looks like that bird that crawls out of the screen.

1352
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:38,200
Is that what you're talking about?

1353
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:39,200
Yeah.

1354
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:40,200
Yeah.

1355
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:41,200
Or no, that's from the ring.

1356
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,200
Not the grudge.

1357
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:43,200
Yeah.

1358
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:44,200
Yeah.

1359
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:45,200
Were you talking about the ring or the grudge?

1360
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:46,200
I don't know the grudge.

1361
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,200
The ring.

1362
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,200
I don't know what the grudge is either.

1363
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,200
That's just the first one came to my head.

1364
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:54,200
But I was like, the grudge, the wait, the wait, no, I don't know what the grudge is

1365
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:55,200
either.

1366
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,200
They're right.

1367
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:57,200
The grudge.

1368
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,200
Yeah.

1369
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,440
This is definitely the ring lady.

1370
01:12:00,440 --> 01:12:02,360
We got a couple of IBC friends.

1371
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,920
Wasn't, you know, I didn't get into the first round of that.

1372
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,960
They minted too quick while I was sleeping.

1373
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,920
Everything happens while Noel's asleep late night with Noel.

1374
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:10,920
Yeah.

1375
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,160
So you, but you still minted for.

1376
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,480
This was the second round after someone gave me a heads up.

1377
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:18,480
Oh, okay.

1378
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:19,480
I got you.

1379
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:20,480
Okay.

1380
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:21,480
But I'm pretty sure they were.

1381
01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:22,480
Gotcha.

1382
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:23,480
We've got a mutant primate.

1383
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:25,760
I don't know where that came from.

1384
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:30,680
And then like this is the run of shit miscellaneous shit down here.

1385
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:31,680
Like, Misk.

1386
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:32,680
Yeah.

1387
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:37,120
Like I'm pretty sure I bought one of these cruiser things and then like all this other

1388
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,520
shit started to appear in here.

1389
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:39,520
Yeah.

1390
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:40,920
I had the same first wave mentor and some other stuff.

1391
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:41,920
Okay.

1392
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:42,920
I need one moment.

1393
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:43,920
The grudge is the Japanese version of the ring.

1394
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,160
I don't know why that's what popped in my head.

1395
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:46,160
Oh, is that?

1396
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:47,160
Yeah.

1397
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:48,160
It is.

1398
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:49,160
Holy shit.

1399
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,160
Is it a remake?

1400
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:51,160
Is that what that is?

1401
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:52,160
The grudge is the original.

1402
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,160
The ring was the American remake.

1403
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,400
Oh, no shit.

1404
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,760
There is no way that I've paid money for these Stargaze rockets, by the way.

1405
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:04,040
So I'm not sure where that's coming from or whatever these rocket fuels is.

1406
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:09,600
So anyone who watches this, like if you want us to burn stuff, just send it to this wallet.

1407
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,040
It's my validator wallet.

1408
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,040
Yeah.

1409
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:13,040
2195.

1410
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,040
I want you to burn 2195.

1411
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,040
2195.

1412
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,040
What a stuff.

1413
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,040
Yes.

1414
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:19,040
A bad kid.

1415
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:20,040
Yes.

1416
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,400
I'm not burning a fucking bad kid.

1417
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:23,400
Let's make it real.

1418
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,560
You can choose from my wall.

1419
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,720
You can burn whatever you want.

1420
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:28,720
Let's burn that one.

1421
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,600
You're going to move all the good shit now.

1422
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,560
I haven't moved to what?

1423
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:34,560
Another wallet.

1424
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,000
Hey, let's start with a proof of concept.

1425
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,280
Let's get rid of this motherfucker.

1426
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:45,200
So this can be the proof of concept this week while I move away my bad kids.

1427
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,760
So I picked out a bot head for a bit of history.

1428
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,280
I've got no idea where the fuck this thing came from, but it's here.

1429
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,000
And you know, it's red.

1430
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,320
I'm not a massive fan.

1431
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,520
So looks like he's going to see a 3D movie.

1432
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:58,760
Let's see if this works.

1433
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,200
So what do you just click this?

1434
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,760
Oh, it's irreversible.

1435
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:02,760
I can't get back.

1436
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:03,760
Who knew?

1437
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:04,760
You think it's immutable?

1438
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,760
We can ask them to read Genesis if we have to, if we want to pull it back.

1439
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:10,760
Yeah.

1440
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,040
I mean, we can just write a wasm contract.

1441
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,520
We've got three validators.

1442
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:15,520
We could.

1443
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:16,520
Whatever we need to do.

1444
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:17,520
We just do it.

1445
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,360
We just do it whip round and change the Genesis file.

1446
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:23,280
We can just sneak a handler in there for the next.

1447
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,280
Exactly.

1448
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,440
Spending on who's in chat right now, we could probably reverse this if we had to.

1449
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:33,520
I feel like, you know, there's the dragonberry thing where since after the dragonberry fix,

1450
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,360
it just logs dragonberry active or the type.

1451
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:42,000
I feel like it would be very, very, very funny to basically try and sneak out and upgrade

1452
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,760
that overwrote the logger.

1453
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:49,520
Just go like, you didn't check the upgrade handler.

1454
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:53,280
So everybody goes like, wait, what the fuck?

1455
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:59,840
Does that log mean that it is actually stopping some sort of transaction that it doesn't mean

1456
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,440
it's just showing it?

1457
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:07,880
I think it's just logging when, I think maybe when the IBC module is called it logs.

1458
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:08,880
That's it guys.

1459
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:09,880
It's burnt.

1460
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:10,880
It's done.

1461
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:11,880
It's gone.

1462
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:12,880
It's gone.

1463
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:13,880
It was passed into Mount Doom.

1464
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:14,880
Thanks for coming.

1465
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:15,880
See you all next week.

1466
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:16,880
Absolutely.

1467
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:27,520
I mean, we did say on the show, we're going to burn an NFT live on air.

1468
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:28,520
That's now happened.

1469
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:29,520
Nobody can call us a liar.

1470
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:30,520
That's right.

1471
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,240
Collectively or individually.

1472
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,720
Although we have just basically pressed gang knowledge to doing it and the rest of us haven't

1473
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:36,720
done shit.

1474
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,640
So I have more NFTs than you do.

1475
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,120
I thought you would be totally more than I would have.

1476
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:48,240
Man, I was just de-gening for a while, but then like all the mints are fucking they started

1477
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,040
like in the middle of the night and all the good ones, they gone.

1478
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,240
So I'm just, yeah, I don't have that many though.

1479
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,200
My bags under my eyes are already big.

1480
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,000
They can't afford to be much bigger.

1481
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,800
I've consumed my actual eyeballs.

1482
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:04,800
The other bags, right?

1483
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,280
Not the ones in your pockets.

1484
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,560
You mean the ones under your eyes?

1485
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:09,800
The ones under my eyes.

1486
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:10,800
Yeah.

1487
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,920
It's been a savage week, boys.

1488
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,480
It's just a lot of shit.

1489
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:18,640
And the test nets and the fucking, oh my God.

1490
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:24,800
I feel like we've, yeah, there's been a lot going on in general.

1491
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:30,640
So is anybody in this podcast like freaking out about this Hetsnir thing or no?

1492
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:31,640
We didn't really talk about it.

1493
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:32,640
They basically making.

1494
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,160
I don't roll with Hetsnir, son.

1495
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:35,160
They won't have me.

1496
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,200
Like they, they, they ejected me before I got there.

1497
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:43,560
Yeah, but your email's like fucking nulls, big balls at bigballsblockchain.com, like

1498
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:44,560
or something.

1499
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:45,560
Yeah.

1500
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,880
I just got demonetized by the way, fellas.

1501
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:48,880
Sorry about that.

1502
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:49,880
I think we're demonetized.

1503
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:50,880
I think we're demonetized.

1504
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:51,880
I think we're demonetized.

1505
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:52,880
I think we're demonetized.

1506
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:53,880
I think I said fuck Jay.

1507
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,280
No, if I said fuck Jay earlier, sorry, I didn't mean to say fuck Jay.

1508
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:02,720
That was a personal attack and I haven't, I have a disagreement with potentially, well,

1509
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:08,120
a lot of things, but like a personal attack is that just, it's just, it's just like,

1510
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,560
I think I said fuck off.

1511
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:11,560
That's different.

1512
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,760
So for all who come to this podcast, just get sweet vengeance from the rumor that you've

1513
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:20,640
heard of someone going after Jay, it was that guy.

1514
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:24,880
I think I said, I think I said thanks Jay, but we don't need the drama fuck off, something

1515
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:31,800
like that, which I mean, if there's a kind of lazy half-committal like fray like comment,

1516
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:36,920
that's probably like the absolute apex of my energy is just like you time, you've really

1517
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:41,120
tired me with your drama fuck off, but thank you as well because I'm British.

1518
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,480
I have to say thank you.

1519
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:44,480
Thank you and fuck off.

1520
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:45,480
Thank you for your hard work.

1521
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:46,480
Thank you.

1522
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:47,480
Would you like a cup of tea?

1523
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:48,480
Thank you for your hard work.

1524
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,560
Pendiment is really like groundbreaking in its own way.

1525
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,240
It's going to lead to so much cool stuff in the future.

1526
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:54,240
Thanks very much.

1527
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:55,240
Fuck off.

1528
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:56,240
But thank you.

1529
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:01,240
And genuinely, you're very clever, but you are probably a, you know, actually semi and

1530
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:05,640
although I can't 100% prove that I'm like 95% sure and I'm not like super jazz.

1531
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,520
There's a lot of evidence.

1532
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,920
This is a lot of evidence to get commits really.

1533
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,920
Yeah, there is.

1534
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:12,920
Right.

1535
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,160
So, yeah, I mean, I'm freaking out.

1536
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:16,160
I didn't run on Hexner.

1537
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,400
I'm just like, oh, this is not good.

1538
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:19,400
Yeah.

1539
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:20,400
No.

1540
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,640
Well, I mean, they haven't really started to punt any tendermint nodes yet, have they?

1541
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,920
I will say that nobody also knows it well.

1542
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:31,440
No, did not in any way deny his email was big balls, big balls blockchain app, big balls

1543
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:33,320
blockchain.com or whatever it was I said.

1544
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:34,960
It's like, yeah, that's okay.

1545
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,680
I'm fucking registering it as we speak.

1546
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,000
Big balls blockchain.com.

1547
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,000
Yeah.

1548
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,000
Yeah.

1549
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,000
Yeah.

1550
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,240
The CO.CK in there.

1551
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:46,960
That's big balls blockchain.cock.

1552
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,320
Actually, that's why they actually got rid of you.

1553
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,680
But that can be my fault.

1554
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,800
Did you try and register with Hexner with like blockchain in your email address?

1555
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,400
Yeah, blockchain is in my company name.

1556
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:00,400
It's in my email address.

1557
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,720
It wasn't like they had to like get a private investigator to work out what your business

1558
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:05,720
did.

1559
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,000
They were like, well, this guy's obviously bad.

1560
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:14,280
The funny thing was I sent them an email and I'm like, hey man, hey, hey guy, hey, what's

1561
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:15,280
wrong?

1562
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:16,880
And they're like reasons go away.

1563
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,560
They wouldn't tell me.

1564
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,240
They just I said, why won't you take my business?

1565
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,160
And they're like, we reserved the right to not fucking tell anyone why we won't take

1566
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:25,160
their business.

1567
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,160
So piss off.

1568
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,880
You didn't get the email for the, what was the name of the username that posted on Reddit

1569
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,320
that kicked the whole thing off?

1570
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:33,320
Katie.

1571
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:34,880
I didn't email me.

1572
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,200
Katie, did you get anything?

1573
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,640
Today was networks, right?

1574
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,480
Was it networks or something like that?

1575
01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:42,480
Yeah.

1576
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:46,240
You know, I'm curious how they actually detect who's on their platform.

1577
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,040
Like, are they hitting an end point?

1578
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,400
They're taking the port.

1579
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,000
Someone said it was traffic related.

1580
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,720
So I probably, yeah, I guess it's port.

1581
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,080
It's some basic stupid shit.

1582
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,520
Like, yeah, whatever the Solana port is or something.

1583
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:02,920
If you're on Hexner and you're running a Cosmos chain, make sure you're not running

1584
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,920
out on 26656 baby.

1585
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:07,920
26658 for the win.

1586
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:08,920
Yeah.

1587
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,320
Put it in the 300s and start at once.

1588
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,320
Just put it on 8080, man.

1589
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:14,320
8080.

1590
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,320
Nobody gives a shit.

1591
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:17,320
Exactly.

1592
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:18,320
8080.

1593
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:24,280
You could be literally clubbing seals to death and trying to make pure like stream of clubbing

1594
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:25,280
seals to that.

1595
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,400
The port, maybe he's ever going to do that traffic.

1596
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,400
They're just like 8080 boys and boys.

1597
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:34,440
Well, the funny thing is like anyone who's actually taking heavy traffic on a tendermint

1598
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:37,400
RPC would be doing it through 443.

1599
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:43,560
So, oh, well, actually, no, well, that's just the, that's actually just the RPC traffic,

1600
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,800
so there's still going to be on some public.

1601
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,240
I wonder if they, do you reckon just in traffic or out traffic?

1602
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,640
Cause you can be a prick node and just not actually take any in bounds.

1603
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:54,640
It only do outbound connection.

1604
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:55,640
Fire wild off.

1605
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:56,640
Yeah.

1606
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,840
I guess, I guess they would still know that you're sort of communicating on that.

1607
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:07,480
Paul, what the fuck is this shit in the, I'm surprised that it was only 20% in Solana.

1608
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:08,480
I mean that the number is high.

1609
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:12,440
I guess it makes sense, but I mean, also it's weird that those, those nodes are pretty high

1610
01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:16,720
powered and lots of RAM and well, fast SSD and everything else, but I'm surprised it

1611
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:17,720
wasn't a little bit higher.

1612
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,800
Well, maybe they only have like, if you look at all the nodes that are on hetster, the

1613
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:26,840
majority are in like a standard distribution and those nodes were like way outside and

1614
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:32,800
so they were just like, why is someone spamming our chat with shit?

1615
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:39,200
Have we become so popular that people think they're coming to shield to seven people?

1616
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,000
I think what's happened is that we made it boys.

1617
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,720
Xbox fucking made it marketing than we are.

1618
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:46,720
We've made it boys.

1619
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:47,720
We've made it.

1620
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,840
If there's a, by yourself, a nice cup of coffee.

1621
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,280
We've made it boys.

1622
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:58,480
If there's a crypto pump and dump spammer in our chat, we've definitely made it.

1623
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:08,760
So news just in and this might be extreme alpha, but actually on Kujira, which none

1624
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:14,080
of us make any money from, they're starting to talk about actually supporting the nodes

1625
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:19,600
from the treasury, I believe they're working out some sort of fair amount at the moment

1626
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,320
really to try and so this is related to the heads.

1627
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:29,520
No, it's been prompted from the the hetster issue to move to like another provider, which

1628
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,720
obviously may cost more money.

1629
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,880
So yeah, they've started that conversation with validators.

1630
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:37,000
So I mean, that's pretty cool.

1631
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,520
They called it a stipend and I didn't know what that was.

1632
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,360
So I had to ask a stipend.

1633
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:43,360
Sure.

1634
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:44,360
Sure.

1635
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,040
stipends just like an allowance stipend.

1636
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,040
Yeah.

1637
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:52,920
And a recurring payment usually to pay for some kind of an expense.

1638
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:53,920
Yeah.

1639
01:22:53,920 --> 01:23:01,520
I mean, if you say so, it's quite a common word.

1640
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:02,520
Code hands.

1641
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:03,520
Code hands.

1642
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:04,520
What's what's stipend?

1643
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,400
You said it's money, my friend.

1644
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:08,400
It's money.

1645
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,400
It's money in Britain.

1646
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:11,400
It's money.

1647
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:12,400
Yeah.

1648
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,400
Is that toxt?

1649
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:19,880
So what is this other item we have in here about the Ansible Terraform and Automation

1650
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:20,880
Hellscapes?

1651
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,920
Are we are we done freaking out about fucking hetster?

1652
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,360
I mean, like just move, move.

1653
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:28,520
Go on back to that.

1654
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,240
I honestly don't.

1655
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,560
And also I heard a rumor today that it was more about it was more about Germany than it

1656
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:34,560
was about Finland.

1657
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:35,560
Is that right?

1658
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,720
Like more of the ever send knows got killed than the actual Finland knows.

1659
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:39,720
Did you hear any guess?

1660
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:43,240
Well, I also heard that it's not all Solano validators.

1661
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,320
There have been quite a few that are posted like we're still there.

1662
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,800
So just post it to it.

1663
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:49,800
We're still there.

1664
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:50,800
No fucking no.

1665
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,800
A different board.

1666
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:53,800
Yeah.

1667
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:54,800
Yeah.

1668
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:55,800
Yeah.

1669
01:23:55,800 --> 01:24:01,240
One of the fucking on Solano Twitter guy like, oh, OK.

1670
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:05,920
If you just tell me what your IP is, that would be really good.

1671
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:13,640
Like, you know, blackout part of your IP and just taunt Katie with like log.

1672
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:19,160
I saw something about like it was it was it was Germany related.

1673
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:23,920
It was also because of an energy spike or something similar that and like the German

1674
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:28,320
the government came down and said that you guys using way too much energy.

1675
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,360
And so they went after Solano validators because for some reason they they burn more, which

1676
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,680
I don't understand why that sounds like you.

1677
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:36,680
Bullshit to me.

1678
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:37,680
It does.

1679
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:38,680
Right.

1680
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,400
Like I don't see any reason like it would be anything related to that, but it wasn't

1681
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,400
in Finland.

1682
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:42,400
It was more German.

1683
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:43,400
I don't know.

1684
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:44,400
They are.

1685
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:50,520
Well, so there is that does tend to historically be more regulation in Germany and yes, will

1686
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,200
be.

1687
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:57,960
There will be in some countries in Europe blackouts this winter probably because of the energy

1688
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:03,560
crisis, which people really don't want to think about, but it's like moderately likely

1689
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,000
it's going to be this not enough.

1690
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:10,880
Could be enough energy.

1691
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:16,560
It's probably it's probably it maybe it's actually not really so much regulation is like

1692
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:22,280
Kessner trying to work out what workload they could drop off if they're like if they're

1693
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:27,240
looking at their own like generator capacity and they're going like what's not bringing

1694
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:33,160
in much money and is causing in an outsized cost are big are presumably the people running

1695
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,600
big old boxes.

1696
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,200
What's bringing in like the most money?

1697
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:44,880
I imagine it's like people who are just like running boring cheap work like 20 euro instances

1698
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:49,920
and they're probably going like, okay, can we prove some of these are breaking our TLC

1699
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:54,400
TOS sorry.

1700
01:25:54,400 --> 01:26:08,600
But as a pretty forward thinking, low cost, high availability, data center provider that

1701
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,640
runs in Germany that's German based and also based out of Finland.

1702
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,720
Do they give a fuck about anything that we're talking about?

1703
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,800
They don't like they're not their TLC on the crypto side.

1704
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,800
They don't give a shit right like them.

1705
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,920
I have some German government pressure that's going on here, but I don't even know what

1706
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:25,360
that would be.

1707
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:29,360
So I'm not sure where this is coming from.

1708
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,360
Yeah, right.

1709
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:34,360
Shrug man.

1710
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:35,360
Don't know.

1711
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:36,360
Yeah, a bunch of shrugs.

1712
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:37,360
I should have shown you I'm you.

1713
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:38,360
I felt like you were better say something.

1714
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,360
I mean, I've got ideas right.

1715
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,600
Solana we know is like super heavy right.

1716
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,360
And if they're going after their large providers to like create a statement, they first go

1717
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:48,600
after a theorem in theory.

1718
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:55,800
They go for Solana and then basically anything after that is kind of small in relation to

1719
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:56,800
those two.

1720
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:57,800
Right.

1721
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,400
And so it just kind of makes sense if they're just trying to like make a statement, you

1722
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:04,560
start with the big guys and I don't even know if they kicked anyone and Ethereum off

1723
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:05,560
yet.

1724
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:06,560
Right.

1725
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:11,720
So and Ethereum, I think now that it's proof of stake, isn't actually that big of a deal.

1726
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,040
It's I don't mean we run.

1727
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:15,560
We run a bunch of get notes.

1728
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,840
I don't think that it's really anything that's there.

1729
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:22,080
It's really requiring any sort of it's not like Solana in terms of block times and anything

1730
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:23,080
else right.

1731
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:24,080
12 second block times like nobody gives a shit.

1732
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,000
Like it's really slow and slow memory and everything else.

1733
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:28,000
Yeah.

1734
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,720
So that I mean, that's my theory says Solana because it's just so heavy.

1735
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:34,800
I mean, it's like it's not flirting with being proof of stake heavy, but as far as the proof

1736
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,400
of stake network, it's quite heavy.

1737
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,800
So it makes sense that they've got there, especially with how heavily is utilized 20% of the network

1738
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:41,800
was on it.

1739
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:46,080
And then there's probably even more from API's or from the end points.

1740
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,320
I don't know.

1741
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,320
Fuck them.

1742
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:56,520
Realistically, they come after Cosmos validators or RPC notes.

1743
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,400
I would think the chance of that are pretty low.

1744
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,080
Who's going after 266.56?

1745
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:02,080
Such a small ecosystem.

1746
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,080
I don't know.

1747
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,440
It seems like there's other fish to fry before that happens.

1748
01:28:06,440 --> 01:28:11,000
I feel like once again, we've almost there was there was an opportunity in that for a

1749
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:12,560
t-shirt for merch.

1750
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,800
Who's going after 266.56?

1751
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,800
Yeah.

1752
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:26,440
I'm sure we could make some really like distasteful shirts related to.

1753
01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:28,360
Yeah, I was going to say the sub distasteful shirt.

1754
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:35,160
There's like quite a there's a lot of American ones about like various amendments on there.

1755
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:39,680
You could definitely there's definitely a there's the actually to be fair.

1756
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:44,920
Is this the EFF one isn't there with the comeback with a warrant?

1757
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:46,960
Hey, what was the shirts we came up with last week?

1758
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,760
Did we actually put that on the notes?

1759
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:49,760
Drop it nines.

1760
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:50,760
Drop it nines.

1761
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:51,760
Drop it nines.

1762
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:52,760
Drop it nines.

1763
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,600
But yeah, there's something before that.

1764
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,600
I can't remember what it was, but yeah.

1765
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:03,160
So, it should ask if anyone is actually interested in us minting some gone merch.

1766
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:04,800
Let's do it.

1767
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:05,800
Yeah.

1768
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,160
I mean, I can do it if people want it.

1769
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:09,160
We have fucking good ideas.

1770
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:10,160
Yeah.

1771
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:11,160
Some t-shirts made.

1772
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:12,160
Yeah.

1773
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,160
We just like mint some shirts and fucking yeah.

1774
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:15,160
Yeah.

1775
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:16,160
Yeah.

1776
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:17,160
Deligate up.

1777
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:20,160
We could make some money to delegate all the pocket you.

1778
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:21,160
Yeah.

1779
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:22,160
How we do.

1780
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:23,160
How we do it.

1781
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:24,160
That's how we do it.

1782
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:30,160
This is all just been a long, a long rug for like make some more money for pocket you

1783
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:31,160
basically.

1784
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:34,560
Like pocket, he's in the polka dot right?

1785
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,720
Surely is already surely is.

1786
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:41,440
That was the only people that was full time before most the rest of us were.

1787
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:45,480
Is he like the one you're talking about sitting on this massive treasury that he could pay

1788
01:29:45,480 --> 01:29:46,480
for some development?

1789
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:47,480
No.

1790
01:29:47,480 --> 01:29:50,480
Is that who you're referring to?

1791
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:51,480
No.

1792
01:29:51,480 --> 01:29:53,520
I think I was referring to the ICF wasn't I?

1793
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:54,520
All right.

1794
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:55,520
Close.

1795
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:56,520
It's about the same.

1796
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:57,520
I mean, it's also obvious now.

1797
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:58,980
I think it's about at least two