1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,640 entities that traders might have used back in the day or something like that. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:09,520 But it was used by Gaddafi to avoid sanctions or well, it was used by, 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,240 it was used by Gaddafi's tax lawyers to evade sanctions. 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,200 It seems like super sketchy basically is what I'm saying. 5 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:21,160 Like the more, the more I look at it, the more I'm like. 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,920 Welcome to Game of Notes, a weekly podcast on the Cosmos from independent 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:30,920 ballad teams. 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:35,880 Yeah, we've been going for quite a while. 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,600 Hello and welcome to Game of Notes, the weekly podcast on the 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,760 Cosmos from independent ballad teams. 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,720 And I really did not realize I'd been rugged on that one. 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:53,680 We were just talking about bizarre Dutch incorporation strategies that as it 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:01:01,080 turns out are used for massive evasion of potentially weird criminal stuff. 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,360 So anyway, fun times, fun times. 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:06,880 We're laughing and we're learning. 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,000 We're laughing and we're learning. 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,720 We're not doing is watching the live broadcast button. 18 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,760 Yeah, what we were not doing was actually paying attention to what I assume 19 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,200 Noel was doing over in the background there. 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,640 So, excellent. 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,000 So we've let's let's just kick off top of the show. 22 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,920 We have a big old tombstone of the week. 23 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,720 Over on the got the air horns as well. 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,840 Air horns, well, of course, on Chihuahua, right? 25 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,720 Yes. 26 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,920 So obviously RIP for the validator affected thoughts and prayers. 27 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:56,520 Which I believe will be getting resurrected similar to the 28 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,240 the was it secret one after the bungled upgrade on secret. 29 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,560 They resurrected a tombstone. 30 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,360 I think they're going to do the same thing on what by rolling back state or no. 31 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,240 I just just resurrecting it. 32 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:13,520 Just helping. 33 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,240 OK, just helping. 34 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:15,880 Just helping. 35 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,640 Yeah, I think there was some talk. 36 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:20,720 No, no, no, they they brought the so in secret. 37 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,160 They brought it back from the dead. 38 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,280 How'd they do that? 39 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,920 I have no idea. 40 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:28,920 But they did an upgrade, I think they did it as part of an upgrade. 41 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,880 Oh, yeah, you can make the chain stay. 42 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,880 I mean, this is a fun approved state. 43 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,640 Sure, there's a lot of beautiful things in this immutable blockchain. 44 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:40,480 Yeah, don't tell me I do that. 45 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,320 You could do whatever you want. 46 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,320 Yeah, exactly. 47 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,840 It's immutable until there's not great handler. 48 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:46,440 Exactly. 49 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,320 And then the validators don't check the code and then the SDK is too complicated. 50 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,240 Most people don't understand it. 51 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,280 And then all of a sudden the phrase making, you know, $10,000 a week. 52 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:03,240 Exactly. All of a sudden we are making big bucks, fellas, and nobody's quite sure how. 53 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,160 The answer was all in the upgrade handler. 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,600 It always was. 55 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,320 What happens? 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,720 It was you, Fredo, it was you, Fredo. 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,320 That's how they fuck you. 58 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:19,160 So the thing that you're going to check anything in a in an upgrade, check the handler. 59 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Exactly. 60 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:25,320 Yeah, so it was on Chihuahua was a Gorinode, a Gorinodes. 61 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,560 I don't even know if it was, I mean, it was obviously it was their fault, 62 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,720 but I think there were some bad directions in there. 63 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,080 And it was kind of a fucking state. 64 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:38,720 And there was a lot of testing going on and different types of strategies 65 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:39,800 to figure out what was going on. 66 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:40,680 And then. 67 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,280 So am I right in thinking that there was also like a tag that was released 68 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,600 and then the same tag was reused? 69 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,640 Because that also seems like a. 70 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:50,960 Yeah, there was a reuse. 71 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,040 I think so, which yeah, I think that's correct. 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,640 There was additional commit on the same tag, right? 73 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:04,560 There was there was several instructions to download, like snapshots as well. 74 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,840 And like. 75 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,000 Man, I don't even know how they got to a block on one of them. 76 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,320 There's I was always at the head and I wasn't at. 77 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,200 The block that we ended up restarting on. 78 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,240 So I'm not sure what happened. 79 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,240 Yeah. 80 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,800 So then they doubled and then and then today it actually halted again for about 30%. 81 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,840 Us, we're in that group and a few others. 82 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,640 So around, I don't know when it was 10 a.m. 83 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,280 Eastern, four o'clock UTC or something. 84 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:38,160 So it like 30% of the balladiers just all have hashed at the same time. 85 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,440 Small contract execution. 86 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,520 Yeah, that's what that's what I was assuming. 87 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,120 I was assuming there was a wasm difference or something else, but it seemed like I got, 88 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,600 I pulled a, after the, after the chain was moving, I pulled a snapshot from somebody 89 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:57,280 who did not have their notes stop, which is weird in the second halt. 90 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:03,240 And then I pulled that snapshot on my notes and that they all hashed out and a bunch of others did as well. 91 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:09,720 And so somebody, I just grabbed another snapshot from somebody who did not have that second app hash. 92 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,600 And then here we are. So I don't know what's going on. 93 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,160 I'm not sure it seemed like at least scary. 94 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:15,960 It does seem scary. 95 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,760 Cause actually what I think, what somebody was looking at was the fact that the, we were doing, 96 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,760 we were looking at what wasm contracts, I guess it's just like a some sort of hash number. 97 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,600 It's in the file directory that's in there. 98 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:27,120 Right. 99 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,720 And we were just looking at, we were just doing like a diff on those things. 100 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:35,880 And the, the, the one that was on my note that hashed was definitely missing wasm files. 101 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:36,920 There's no doubt about it. 102 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,280 And those wasm files were from today. So that doesn't make any sense. 103 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:44,280 That makes me think like this is going to happen again for some reason. 104 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:46,520 And I don't know. And it's permission. 105 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,840 So that, that doesn't really make any sense at all. Honestly. Right. 106 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:50,280 So I don't know. I don't know. 107 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:54,280 Yeah. So you've got a, Chihuahua's not permissioned wasm. 108 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:55,240 It's not. 109 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,080 Oh, it is. Oh, okay. 110 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:04,680 Then maybe then that, that makes a little bit more sense than maybe there's an issue with the node not downloading. 111 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,080 The node not downloading that wasm or something. 112 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,840 Could be a wasm cache problem. 113 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:12,760 What is a wasm cache? 114 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,600 Well, so when you go up different versions of wasm, 115 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:26,280 there are caches from previous versions that are made. 116 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:29,800 And there's, there's basically a strategy in calls and wasm to clear that out. 117 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:36,040 So you don't end up running an incompatible version of wasm code, essentially. 118 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:42,600 So we've, we've had app hash problems with this on uni a number of times. 119 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,520 Principally, because the way that calls and wasm knows that thing has changed 120 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:54,840 is basically dependent on the upstream people not doing weird things to mean that that check won't 121 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:59,240 happen and it has changed in the past, which is how it sort of slipped through the net. 122 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:06,280 Which is why like when you see that particular kind of, because it's basically like different 123 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:09,560 kinds, there are different severities of app hash, aren't there? 124 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,600 There's everybody app hashes, 125 forks. 125 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:13,880 And you're like, okay. 126 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:15,800 And the node dies, right? 127 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,760 That's when you have like the whole processes shits the bed and like we're done. 128 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:19,240 Yeah. 129 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,840 At that point, you're like pure non-determinism. 130 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:21,400 Yeah. 131 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:29,160 Right, you know, it's bad, but it's at least very obvious why it's bad and then what steps 132 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,440 you kind of need to be taken from there. 133 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:31,000 Yeah. 134 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:37,720 The weird ones are when like, you like what sounds like you're describing over 67% of 135 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:43,720 consensus keep moving, but let's say 10, 20% of consensus app hash. 136 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,880 That's when you know, it was 1% of consensus, you'd be like YOLO. 137 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:50,920 Right. 138 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:56,200 Because it could be somebody on a 10 years old Intel architecture or something like that. 139 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:03,320 And yeah, we do know or anecdotally suspect that there are serious problems with certain 140 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,800 older architectures and, you know, Wasmur and stuff like that. 141 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:13,000 There's some gremlin in the system that seems to cause potential non-determinacy in certain 142 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:13,640 situations. 143 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:22,920 But yeah, when it's like 20%, suddenly we're into that's quite scary that's territory, 144 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,920 which sounds like this maybe is. 145 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:26,360 Yeah. 146 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,200 Like my node was still, it was still, it's doing that thing where like it hashes, but it's still 147 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:30,920 dials, right? 148 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,120 The whole process is still running and it's just kind of, it has a consensus failure and 149 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,480 so it just falls out of consensus. 150 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:41,320 So that, so, and plus it seemed like there were some, some similarities in terms of 151 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,960 what nodes died from one snapshots and this and that and the Wasm folder structure. 152 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,520 So it kind of pointed back to similarities in architecture or just similarities in setup 153 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,440 and running similarities in overall file size. 154 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:59,000 So meaning like, like, like we're just doing like DUs on the Wasm folder just to take a 155 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,080 look and say, are these even close like where they are? 156 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,240 The other thing was weird about that is the snapshot I got was from a node that was continuing 157 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:05,400 to run. 158 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,520 So that part was weird. 159 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:16,840 Unless, unless that snapshot was taken and for some reason was there was contracts executed 160 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,800 between the snapshot taken when I applied it, which is possible actually, because they 161 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,120 probably took it right after the, it's possible maybe. 162 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:24,680 Yeah. 163 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:25,000 Yeah. 164 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,440 That might be, that might be the case. 165 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,440 So because they might have just taken it, they might have just used Cosmovisor and left 166 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,240 it to do the backup on their backup node or something like that. 167 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:33,640 Right. 168 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,400 I don't know where they got the snapshot from. 169 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:35,880 Yeah. 170 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,760 Yeah, but wouldn't, yeah, but then the node would, it would sync those, right? 171 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:46,200 Like if it, if it has a snapshot from two days ago, like it's any snapshot, right? 172 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,320 Yeah, it would just fast sync. 173 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,360 It would just fast sync those blocks. 174 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:49,160 Right. 175 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:49,480 Yeah. 176 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,360 So I don't know, maybe, or maybe I don't know what happened with there. 177 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,640 So anyway, so, so back to agore nodes. 178 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,080 That happened. 179 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,000 And I think the, I just heard like the foundation or just folks that are in there just said, 180 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,240 hey, we want to, you know, this was a fucked up situation. 181 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,960 We want to take care of you and blah, blah, blah, which means I think they'll probably 182 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,400 try to find ways to give back the 10% that was slashed and try to get agore back in the 183 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,560 set and all that kind of stuff, which I think 10%. 184 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:15,720 Or it's probably 5% Chihuahua. 185 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:16,200 You're right. 186 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:16,840 You're right. 187 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:17,800 Yeah. 188 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,360 It's probably 5% if they, because they're basically just like a straight up copy paste 189 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,240 to Juno on there. 190 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,560 So if they didn't change any config, it would have been 5%. 191 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:28,360 I can check. 192 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:33,000 It's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, 193 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,440 it's a, it's a. 194 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:35,480 5%. 195 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:35,800 Yeah. 196 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,080 It's 5% for double sign. 197 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:37,800 Yep. 198 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:38,680 So yeah. 199 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:40,840 Is that right? 200 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:41,960 Jesus, Jesus. 201 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:44,680 Oh no, no, no. 202 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:46,120 I was just looking at my bloody. 203 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:53,240 So I just actually looked at the Chihuahua validator set and noticed that 204 00:10:54,280 --> 00:11:01,400 Pocachoo had packed on a billion of, of delegation in, like, the last day. 205 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,400 I was like, what the fuck is going on there? 206 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,400 Billion. 207 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,400 Billions. 208 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,400 These numbers are so abstract. 209 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,400 What was that? 210 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,400 One dollar? 211 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,400 The delegations? 212 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:12,400 I don't know. 213 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:13,400 I haven't looked at it. 214 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,400 I took Joel off my price board because it was making me sick. 215 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,400 What is this? 216 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,400 So someone delegated one billion. 217 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,400 Is that right? 218 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,400 Where the fuck did this come from? 219 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,400 I don't see that in the delegator list there. 220 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,400 $800,000. 221 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,400 But it's from... 222 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,400 I bet. 223 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,400 ...of dollars. 224 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,400 Wait, what is $800,000? 225 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,400 One billion. 226 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,400 Get the fuck out of here it is. 227 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,400 Oh, sorry. 228 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:43,400 No, eight billion. 229 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,400 Oh, sorry. 230 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,400 Eight hundred bucks. 231 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,400 My bad. 232 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:47,400 No, no, no. 233 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Well, this accounts got eight billion in it. 234 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,400 Oh, okay. 235 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,400 All right. 236 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,400 That is quite a lot. 237 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,400 I think TBL. 238 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,400 What's a TBL in Chihuahua anyway? 239 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,400 So this must be one of the... 240 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,400 What the fuck? 241 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,400 Well, this is the developer fund. 242 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,400 Yeah, this is the dev fund. 243 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:06,400 All those... 244 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,400 All those Pikachu snaps. 245 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,400 Got to pay for the snaps. 246 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,400 You got to pay for those snaps. 247 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,400 Got to grease the palm. 248 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,400 That is the biggest... 249 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,400 We had a big delegation away from us in the last week on Juno. 250 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,400 And I was like, what the fuck? 251 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:29,400 Warpath and then I saw it was to Polkachu and I was like, okay, fair enough. 252 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,400 Yeah, we had a... 253 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:31,400 Well, this is pretty easy. 254 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:32,400 It's better to use it. 255 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,400 Anyway, so this will find... 256 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:35,400 I'm not even angry. 257 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:43,400 Like, this is a backflip on their delegation policy because they said... 258 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,400 So they had said that they won't delegate to anyone in the top 100, right? 259 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,400 So they daily delegate everybody 100,000. 260 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:52,400 Do they? 261 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:53,400 Maybe twice a day. 262 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:54,400 Yeah. 263 00:12:54,400 --> 00:13:03,400 And then they said they wouldn't delegate the top 10, but now they just put on a billion 264 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:08,400 of delegation to Polkachu and a billion of delegation to StakeLab. 265 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,400 So that's kind of confusing. 266 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:19,400 Yeah, but I mean, it wouldn't be the first time that a team had just completely ignored 267 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,400 their own delegation. 268 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:27,400 That one billion, I think if I'm doing the math right is 102,000 bucks. 269 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,400 I think that's 102 bucks. 270 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:31,400 102,000. 271 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:32,400 102,000. 272 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,400 It's.00010246. 273 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,400 So I think that's correct. 274 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,400 Oahua is still definitely worth more than I think it is then. 275 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,400 Yeah, like, I mean, there's enough zero. 276 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,400 I mean, there's three zeros here, but... 277 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,400 What has the bigger market cap? 278 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:51,400 Oahua or, I don't know, like a recent chain like territory or something? 279 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,400 I don't know. 280 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,400 I don't know if there's a price on territory, is there? 281 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,400 Well, I guess there must be. 282 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,400 I mean, I assume it's on Osmosis, but I base that on... 283 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,400 It must be. 284 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:01,400 Absolutely nothing. 285 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:06,400 It must be on Frontier, you'd have thought, because of permissionless and whatnot. 286 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:07,400 Yeah, yeah. 287 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:08,400 Yep, yep, yep. 288 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:09,400 I can check real quick. 289 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,400 I should know this. 290 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,400 We even got... 291 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,400 We even got Rama in the chat. 292 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,400 You know, Rama, do our maths for us. 293 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:22,400 I feel like Rama would also have opinions on some of this, but yeah. 294 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,400 So what the fuck were we talking about before that? 295 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:25,400 Something, something... 296 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,400 Oh, double stone. 297 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,400 Yeah, double stone. 298 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:28,400 Yeah, double stone. 299 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,400 Yeah, so anyway, that's the two of the week. 300 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,400 It's exciting. 301 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,400 That was honestly, some of the stuff, chains are pretty loose about it now. 302 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,400 And I think when things get halted and... 303 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,400 We were talking about this before in channel. 304 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,400 There's two different approaches when chains halt. 305 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,400 One is, let's just try to try quick fixes to move past this because we don't want to 306 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,400 acknowledge what a... 307 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:52,400 How big this problem is. 308 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:53,400 So let's just... 309 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:54,400 Oh, we just got to change this one thing. 310 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:55,400 Everybody's change... 311 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,900 150 of you change this one thing and we'll be fine. 312 00:14:57,900 --> 00:14:59,400 And then that creates issues and blah, blah, blah. 313 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,640 And then eventually other teams take it to say if something happens and they stop, they 314 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,200 take a day or two, they go do... 315 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,240 They go chest it and test that and they come back with a plan and blah, blah, blah. 316 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,800 So, I think, Flouting a little bit because they're trying to find an easy fix. 317 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,240 And sometimes there's not easy fixes, especially when it's so distributed. 318 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,360 Yeah. 319 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:31,840 So, the other one that we saw a bit of a spicy time with was Jackal, right? 320 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,360 They made blocks for about an hour and then hit the buffers. 321 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,160 But then their problem wasn't... 322 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:38,520 There was no outpash was there. 323 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,200 It was just that they realized their Genesis file was no-boy. 324 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,200 I know. 325 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:51,320 Apologies for my tired English person not even trying to pronounce Spanish. 326 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,680 I guess I canceled now. 327 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,240 I'm really sorry to the Spanish speaking community. 328 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,240 I'm just very tired. 329 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,040 We're having a wall knockdown and then there's no hot water and there's brick dust everywhere 330 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,520 and it tasted... 331 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,600 Even where I'm sitting right now, it tasted bricks. 332 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,880 So, everything tasted bricks. 333 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,400 And warding bricks. 334 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:13,400 Amazing. 335 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:14,400 Delicious. 336 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,400 Probably lead paint has worked its way in there. 337 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,400 Certainly called up, obviously. 338 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:19,880 And that's a fun thing. 339 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,480 It kind of gets between the cavities. 340 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,800 So, not feeling my best here. 341 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,440 But yeah, there was some problem with the Genesis file, wasn't it? 342 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,080 And that was the root of the problem. 343 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,200 They were like, okay, we're just going to not... 344 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,840 We're just going to stop now. 345 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,840 Don't worry, everybody will be back up shortly. 346 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:37,840 And I think... 347 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,320 I don't know if this is Polk of Validate. 348 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,320 I think so. 349 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,320 He's in the Discord. 350 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,320 I'm not in that Discord. 351 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,320 Yeah. 352 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,440 I think Polk are actually the one that swung into them and was like, that's... 353 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,920 If you just try and restart your mainnet, what of your validators is still going to be running 354 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:55,920 and everybody's going to double-sign? 355 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:56,920 Everybody's going to... 356 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:57,920 Yeah. 357 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:58,920 Yeah. 358 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,120 Well, I went in there, but the rumor was that there was an incorrect Genesis distribution 359 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,960 to some members of the foundation or the team or something similar to that. 360 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Is that what it was? 361 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:13,520 I don't know what that caused, but I just saw a note that said that there was a bug in 362 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:14,520 vesting. 363 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:15,520 Oh, yeah. 364 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,360 We finished now with some vesting schedules and need to relaunch with a slightly modified 365 00:17:18,360 --> 00:17:20,080 Genesis, which is... 366 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,560 Oh, was this Jackal? 367 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:22,560 Yeah. 368 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:23,560 Yeah. 369 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,320 So it's like, let's just back it up. 370 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:27,320 We're live. 371 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:28,960 This is real ballers, but... 372 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,480 I mean, that kind of feels like a test net thing. 373 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:39,680 Like you should run in test net and just speed up the blocks to see how your vesting works. 374 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,680 I mean... 375 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:41,680 Well, I think our question was that... 376 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,680 Because we had this issue... 377 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,480 Was it Juno or Evmos where they were talking about Regeniscing, but we were worried about 378 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,800 IBC transactions and flight or something similar to that, right? 379 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:50,800 And like... 380 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,480 So we were questioning if this is live. 381 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:59,600 That was Evmos that they were talking about Regeniscing because of that halt that lasted 382 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:00,600 three months. 383 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:01,600 They were just going to back up, right? 384 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,800 They were going to back up and just dump a bunch of transactions. 385 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,680 Everybody had questions about IBC transactions and all that stuff. 386 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,320 How long was Evmos down when that happened? 387 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,320 I don't know. 388 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:11,320 A long time. 389 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,320 It was a few weeks, right? 390 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:13,320 Two or three weeks? 391 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,320 No, it was more than weeks. 392 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,320 Was it? 393 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:16,320 It was over a month. 394 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,320 Yeah, it was a while. 395 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:18,320 I'm sure it was a long time. 396 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,320 Yeah, it was a while. 397 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:30,320 I remember that because there was a bunch of test net relaunches in there and they were... 398 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,680 Yeah, the whole thing. 399 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:39,880 Yeah, definitely it wasn't weeks because everyone was sort of like, yeah, are you going to relaunch? 400 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,880 Remus has three months on that. 401 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:50,760 Yeah, we've got conclusive partial match, definitely months, Rama, three months. 402 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,280 The viewers have spoken. 403 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:53,280 It's like... 404 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,280 Why is it? 405 00:18:54,280 --> 00:19:00,880 I'm going to put in here, good morning, dodgy double digit double signers. 406 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,280 Was there some mass double signing somewhere? 407 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,280 Or is that what you're talking about with the Jackal? 408 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,240 No, I think we were maybe the trial thing. 409 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:15,080 I mean, I think it's just trying to make even more iterations on the... 410 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,000 The episode today's name of today's episode is... 411 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,000 Oh, dodgy double sign. 412 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000 Yeah. 413 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Oh, dodgy. 414 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,560 Right, dodgy, like fucking hell. 415 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,240 Today at Game of Nodes, we explain the show title. 416 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:35,240 Today at Game of Nodes, we explain to a tired man in his evening explains to a tired man 417 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:41,360 in his morning what the show name is and why it's called that. 418 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:45,080 Actually, if you've heard pronouncing it, it's quite like saying it quickly, it's quite 419 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,080 hard. 420 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,080 Doggy double sign drama. 421 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,440 Yeah, say it five times fast. 422 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,440 Doggy double digit double digit. 423 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,400 Not sure I could do it more than once. 424 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,800 Yeah, so I guess they wanted to read. 425 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:00,800 So did that happen? 426 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,880 I don't even know if they restarted with the new Genesis or not. 427 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:05,880 Jackal. 428 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:06,880 Jackal back. 429 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,880 It was like starting around now or half an hour ago or something. 430 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:10,880 With a new gen. 431 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:11,880 With a new gen. 432 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,960 Yeah, they read gen text and stuff. 433 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:21,800 I guess there wasn't too many or no IBC channels up yet and there wasn't any transactions. 434 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:22,800 So they said, fuck it. 435 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:23,800 And we did it. 436 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,600 Did they actually stop the network? 437 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,600 Oh, yeah. 438 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,600 The first time today. 439 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,600 Yeah, I think so. 440 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,600 Yeah. 441 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,840 I think it was working because I've never seen some tweets about anything else. 442 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,360 What I heard from Polka was there were no IBC channels up, so they didn't have to worry 443 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:40,800 about the huge fucking massive pain that is when you have to deal with those. 444 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,880 So they were just like, they in the end, I think, changed the network. 445 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:46,880 The chain name. 446 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,040 So like fully forked and just started from scratch. 447 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,880 It works. 448 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,880 Here we are. 449 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,880 The immutable blockchain. 450 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,880 Fuck it. 451 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:58,880 Did they start? 452 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:04,160 Does Jackal have like a lot of how can they have that many vesting accounts? 453 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,160 Like, they got whales already. 454 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,600 Don't all new chains have whales? 455 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,400 If they're vesting accounts, it must be tin. 456 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,400 Really? 457 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:20,480 I mean, that's like the only time you ever get vesting accounts, really, in Cosmos. 458 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:26,680 I don't know that they're used much by anybody else that's not a team basically locking up 459 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,920 a shitload of tokens for themselves. 460 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:29,920 Right. 461 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,920 I think that's like secret code, right? 462 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,720 These poor vesting accounts, ours. 463 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:36,720 Yeah. 464 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,480 I've literally, I don't think I've ever seen anybody make a vesting account for themselves 465 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,640 because the way almost every single tax regime in the world works is that if you have the 466 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,520 funds and then you lock them in a vesting account, all that you've done is just fuck 467 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:51,520 yourself. 468 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,480 That's literally all you've done. 469 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,120 And what is the point? 470 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:59,640 Because what can you, you can't earn any more on vesting than you could from staking. 471 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,600 So you may as well leave them liquid and stake them like a vesting account has. 472 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:10,520 Somebody correct me, has absolutely no function other than to make it so that if your tax 473 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:16,040 authority says immediately liquidate your funds to pay us a large tax bill, you have 474 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:21,680 to instead go, oh no, I will then said elect for bankruptcy and then you can put me in 475 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:29,440 prison for not handing over these funds that are locked in a vesting contract because I 476 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,920 have an absolute giga brain. 477 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,160 I mean, the reality is like they're not going to put you in prison for like the stupid vesting 478 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,160 account. 479 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,440 They're like, all right, pay us five cents on the dollar for what that's hypothetically 480 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,920 worth and next time hire a proper accountant who's not Mickey Mouse. 481 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:54,520 But you know, it's not as good a punchline if you say, if you don't add the we're all 482 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,600 going to jail thing, which was, you know, it was a long time ago now, but we should 483 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,880 have got the, is it a joke back in? 484 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,880 So because obviously we've been live for like over a year now, but back in Lisbon just after 485 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,520 we were live, we were saying we should get we're all going to jail t shirts and we we 486 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,960 chickened out of it because we were like, it's a bit too real. 487 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,560 Yeah, that's that fun. 488 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,560 Yeah. 489 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,720 And then obviously like all the stuff has happened since like prop 16 or this other stuff where 490 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,560 like, ultimately we've, you know, by the point where you're talking to lawyers and you're 491 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,760 like, is there a chance we can go to jail? 492 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,560 They're like, they're like completely untested and this is good advice. 493 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,720 Maybe you're like, okay, I'm glad I didn't buy that. 494 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,560 I'm glad I didn't put me over the top. 495 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,280 Well, it's like, like, do you want to be, because like, especially if you go to any 496 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,840 kind of crypto event, you always get like, somebody takes photo around you and you're 497 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,840 just in the back of the photo wearing that shirt. 498 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,640 Can you imagine being like in the back of a photo wearing a t shirt? 499 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,880 It's obviously you and it says, we're all going to jail and they're like one day being 500 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,160 in court, they blow it up. 501 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,800 You know, one of those big boards, they bring them to a courtroom to then show the jury. 502 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,360 And just like, is this, can you identify yourself in this picture? 503 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:06,920 And you're like, fuck. 504 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,520 You're like, shit, I am going to jail. 505 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,280 And that picture ends up in a 75 page Bloomberg article. 506 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,280 That's a cautionary tale. 507 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:21,720 Yeah, I read the whole thing, but I bet there's some pictures of Daquan in that vein. 508 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,360 That article was pretty good. 509 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,560 I will put it in the show notes, but there was a good Bloomberg article that kind of 510 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,480 went through, I don't know, the state of crypto. 511 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,880 Maybe, maybe a little bit of a background of how we got here and what's there and if 512 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,880 it's real and if it's not real and where it's going to be real and what's bullshit and what's 513 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,880 not. 514 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,560 I actually thought, I mean, it was, it was a bit layman like throughout that whole thing, 515 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,720 but it was well researched. 516 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,920 And I thought the points in it were largely not awful. 517 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,480 So we'll put it in there with that was really interesting. 518 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,000 So anyway, you don't end up in that, but there was a lot of pictures in there that were similar 519 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,000 to that. 520 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,000 Yeah. 521 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,200 I thought a lot of it and I thought the bit on trying to explain how the kind of cryptography 522 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,520 works for a layman was really interesting. 523 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:10,160 I thought it did a good job of explaining why sort of co-located or ergonomically accessible 524 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,400 keys is such a big deal and why you should care about cryptography and why private public 525 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,760 keys is the thing. 526 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,640 I thought that bit was really good. 527 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,160 Yeah, just explain the hash. 528 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,680 That's even difficult for people to understand, right? 529 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,680 Yeah, exactly. 530 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:24,680 I thought that was pretty decent. 531 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,040 I also thought the bit where it sort of, the other thing I thought it did well from the 532 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:35,320 bit that I read was that it did understand that for the majority of people who actually 533 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:42,960 day-to-day work in the space, we do see the funny side about how we, like we are self-aware 534 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,200 about how there are problems with in crypto. 535 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,560 There are problems in the crypto community that it is quite funny. 536 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,280 Like there is a dark comedy to almost everything here. 537 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,880 I think it's one of those things that I've not seen really a mainstream coverage before 538 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:05,200 is an acknowledgement that the people who work in it, we're not fucking roofs. 539 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,320 We do have a sense of humor. 540 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,520 We do understand that we must have some motive. 541 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:18,200 That means that we have to have, like everybody who works in any area who's not like a complete 542 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:23,640 psychopath has to have a release valve to deal with the strangeness of their reality. 543 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,200 And crypto is one of the strangest. 544 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,440 So of course we have a sense of humor and it's not just like, you see the superficialness 545 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,440 of like the wagmy and all that sort of stuff. 546 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,920 And it's like, yes, that is the thing. 547 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:40,360 LFG and all that kind of like, the stuff that is just day-to-day, like rockets in the chat. 548 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:42,440 Like yes, there's all things. 549 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,440 Those are all things. 550 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,600 But there is also like a deeper level of understanding. 551 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:52,960 There is some meta, there is like the culture, especially in the builder scene and like the 552 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,880 validate scene, all those sorts of areas. 553 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,920 Like the culture is actually like deep and complicated and not homogenous. 554 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:07,240 And I felt like the author had at least gone deep enough to like engage with that and was 555 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:14,400 trying to get that across as almost like the sociology of some of the people involved in 556 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,400 it. 557 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,560 And it's an interesting like footnote. 558 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,760 Like if you were reading about it later in 10 years time, you would read that bit and 559 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:28,440 be like, I think that that's almost where some of the most interesting bit of the story 560 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,440 is like. 561 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,040 No, just had a slap on some the way. 562 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:38,600 I think that's accurate though, because like even here, my kids just talking to them, sometimes 563 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,120 they view brands as people. 564 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,120 Like it's very common. 565 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,680 I don't know if it's very common, but I think at least a little bit in the US, maybe it's 566 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,480 not elsewhere, but brands that are becoming people where it's like, like you have a news 567 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,640 article about art about Apple and they treat Apple as a person. 568 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,000 That is like a hive collective of a bunch of different thoughts and there's like a structure 569 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,280 to be able to make decisions, right? 570 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,200 Just as Oh, Apple did this, right? 571 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,280 Where it's like, oh, it's just one type of thing. 572 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,040 And I think crypto can sometimes happen that too. 573 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,760 Well, crypto is doomed or crypto feels blah, blah, blah. 574 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,680 And it's more than, you know, talking about millions and millions and people. 575 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,360 It's not like a, it's a movement that's not something that has, you know, there's no hierarchy 576 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:18,360 within it. 577 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,480 And some of these projects are going to be great and some of these are going to repeat 578 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,560 past mistakes and some of these are going to be total shit. 579 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,920 Some of these are going to be illegal and some of these are not going to be illegal. 580 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,440 And Fray's going to jail and dolls falling asleep. 581 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,560 Like all those things are going to happen, right? 582 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,880 It's amazing how like, yeah, it's amazing how sentiment changes in crypto though, and 583 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,040 like the attitude towards the whole, the whole thing. 584 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,040 Yeah, you put it out of discord channels. 585 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,040 Yeah. 586 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:51,040 That's a joke. 587 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,040 Yeah. 588 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,040 Yeah. 589 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,040 No, I agree. 590 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,240 Like the waves of change move pretty quick in this ecosystem. 591 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,240 Yeah. 592 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:06,480 So you can just wake up one day and the whole, and the whole like attitude of everyone has 593 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,680 just changed to something different. 594 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,920 It's like super bizarre. 595 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,920 Yeah. 596 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:18,720 I think there's a, I don't know what you guys have seen, but I feel like there is an increasingly 597 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:25,240 bad vibe in some areas. 598 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,280 Like I just sort of looking around, I've kind of seen a bit more hostility and a bit more 599 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,080 kind of like anger and stuff of late. 600 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,400 And I think that might be the- 601 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,080 Is this a Cosmos ecosystem comment or a crypto comment? 602 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,080 Yeah, specifically. 603 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,080 Yeah. 604 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,920 I think like the, I don't know if it's like the fallout from a couple of weeks of quite 605 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:52,560 heavy drama where there was a lot of, it got quite political because it was like anti-Semitism 606 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,440 and stuff on the table. 607 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,120 And obviously like, you know, you can't look away from that. 608 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:04,320 So I think that obviously brought a lot of, don't ask, don't tell, let's not talk about 609 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,400 politics people, like to blows, I think in the space maybe. 610 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,600 But I don't think it was just the atom thing. 611 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,160 Like I think, I don't know if it's just like long, we're now long into a bet and it's no 612 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:21,080 signs of slowing down, but it does feel like community sentiment is like, like the pitch 613 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,080 walks are out. 614 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,440 That's the expression in English, right? 615 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,440 Is the pitch walks are out. 616 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:30,000 That's kind of my general feeling, but there's no, this isn't like the Prop 16 where it was 617 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,120 like, everybody's making money, but those guys made loads of money. 618 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,640 Let's just fucking burn them down almost for the lolls, right? 619 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,560 Let's just get it done. 620 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,600 This feels like I'm losing money. 621 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,200 Someone else is making money. 622 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,200 Yeah. 623 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,560 Or even just like, yeah, the pitch walks are out like trouble at the mill. 624 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,240 You know, there's something, there's disturbance in the forest. 625 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,240 You know what I mean? 626 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:03,240 Like I try to, I think what you say is like, instead of like, there being a, you know, 627 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:12,360 a industry full of blissful ignorance and the happiness that now like people are as 628 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:18,120 a community, as a whole community in crypto, like there's a lot of like 90% of crypto at 629 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:24,720 the moment is probably, you know, losing money from the, from the, especially people who 630 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:31,600 entered like in the recent bull market and you know, like people aren't making money. 631 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,920 Other people are going back to day jobs and, and all this type of stuff. 632 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:43,080 And then, you know, they might, because, you know, there might just be nothing else to 633 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,760 do now except for like turn on each other and that type of stuff. 634 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,960 Instead of like, they're being in the bull market, people doing better than everyone 635 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,760 else and like, let's get that guy now. 636 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,440 It's like, well, no one's doing well and who can we fucking hang shit on? 637 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:03,120 But to be honest, like, I didn't even notice it coming the whole, the whole turn in the 638 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:10,920 attitude, like I knew we were in a bear market, but to be honest, I did, you know, only really 639 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,920 say a few things on Twitter and that's about it. 640 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,440 I don't get into depth in reading all of the news on Twitter. 641 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,600 I've read stuff from people that I'm interested in and that's about it. 642 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:29,400 And then, you know, as a validator, we sort of live in our own little world where we're 643 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,480 looking at new networks and reading stuff and doing research and working on projects 644 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,760 and, you know, doing our own little thing in our own little world. 645 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,960 And then you look up one day and everyone's just like pissed off and fighting with everybody 646 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:47,280 on Twitter and you just like, well, what happened in the last week? 647 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,640 So I don't know if you guys feel the same way, but it felt like it kind of snuck up 648 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,360 on, well, on me as a validator. 649 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,640 I don't know about you guys, but yeah. 650 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:03,400 Yeah, I think a bit like the, I don't really watch Twitter too much either, which is back 651 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,400 to our amazing marketing strategy. 652 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,920 Yeah, I need a marketing guy still. 653 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,440 If anyone's like, yeah, maybe it's interested. 654 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,440 Yeah, exactly. 655 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,440 Yeah. 656 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:18,320 This channel came in nodes, these one, I need one, no needs one for any one to be all the 657 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,320 same person. 658 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,240 It's an only S type marketing. 659 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,240 Actually came across a dude the other day who's like pretty good at graphics. 660 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,240 He's like 3D guy. 661 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,920 That's actually a battle. 662 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:37,960 I asked him to make a graphic for game of nodes for our background on like our banners, 663 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,600 like a proof of concept on the banners. 664 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:46,960 And I told him I wanted it to be themed like I wanted to have the throne like in a game 665 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:58,280 of throne desk type, like a scene with the with the sword throne, but with like computer 666 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,160 related replacements. 667 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,680 Have you put this into Dali? 668 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,880 Just put it into mini Dali. 669 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:05,880 Exactly. 670 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,640 I've tried on Dali. 671 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,240 I mean that thing can't even come up with a passion over the ground. 672 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:12,920 So just enter. 673 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,000 Getting nodes sitting on a throne of SSD sticks or NVMe sticks. 674 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,000 Is that what it is? 675 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,000 I'm on it. 676 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,480 I'm talking like a stylish graphic. 677 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,800 Oh, okay. 678 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,680 Not like your fucking meme graphics. 679 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:37,440 But we definitely need like, you know, some some marketing on game of nodes. 680 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,960 But it's so bad. 681 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,160 So what do you guys think about? 682 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,240 I mean, I think you got mixed feelings about this, but I put out on Twitter this week or 683 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:49,880 last week or whenever it was on the game of nodes account about the potential of doing 684 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:57,480 like one on one interviews pre recorded for certain people as like potentially a different 685 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,280 channel but related channel to game of nodes. 686 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:08,160 Just more so that for a different audience, like we have people on the show here and we 687 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:15,280 talked to them about various things, but it was more about like having a addressing the 688 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,560 like more of the community audience rather than the Dev and Validator audience that we 689 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,720 sort of appeal to at the moment. 690 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,760 I mean, I could break out my rate card for that one because that definitely sounds like 691 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,080 work. 692 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,840 You can break out your what break card? 693 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,920 I'll break out my rate card for that one. 694 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,240 That sounds like work. 695 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,240 Right. 696 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:37,240 Right. 697 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,240 Yeah, yeah. 698 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,240 No, I get it now. 699 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:41,240 I do. 700 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:42,800 You mean like project owners? 701 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:43,800 Like you want to talk. 702 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,680 Why would we do a project owners on the show? 703 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,680 Right. 704 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,680 Or you mean like more like? 705 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,240 I mean, actually, I mean, obviously these people would be related to their projects, 706 00:35:53,240 --> 00:36:01,040 but more of like a deep dive with actual people and their careers and stuff like that. 707 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:07,200 But you know, that could also be not sounds like you need to add questions to the spread. 708 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:13,160 She is what I'm thinking because like, how do you get in the crypto stuff like that? 709 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,360 I kind of like classic questions I put in the spreadsheet that they don't get asked 710 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,520 if I'm not the person say, oh, it's a warm up. 711 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,520 How did you get it? 712 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:28,960 Well, the thing is, is that like this podcast can never get picked up by the algorithm because 713 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,280 of all of the shit that we say in here. 714 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,520 So it was more like having a separate channel that could actually reach an audience instead 715 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,520 of our 10 people. 716 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,280 Does that sound like it sounds like work? 717 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,280 Yeah, that's an actual interview. 718 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,280 That's an actual interview show. 719 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,280 Like you want to do research and be prepared. 720 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,280 Yeah. 721 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,280 I mean, the majority of interviewing is actually pretty straightforward. 722 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,760 You'd be surprised how little. 723 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,760 Okay. 724 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,560 I want to be like two discursions to the people I've interviewed in the past. 725 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:05,400 So like you can get away with an astonishing, astonishing verging on callous lack of understanding 726 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,240 of your subject. 727 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:16,680 If you can essentially reflect back what the person says and then get to keep talking. 728 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:23,120 Building a rapport is far more important than actually understanding what the fuck is happening 729 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,120 around you. 730 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:32,000 And I based that on like 15 years of doing interviewing as part of my job, like for others 731 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:38,200 in another environment for which I gather pretty good at it. 732 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,960 But the swearing is impossible. 733 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,200 Not swearing. 734 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:50,960 That's the bit where I'm just like, I don't think I can make words without fuckers punctuation. 735 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,080 It's a high note in there. 736 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,760 I just, I think it would be really difficult. 737 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:03,560 Like, yeah, it's really hard to say the same things about swearing. 738 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,880 Like I just, I find it really, really difficult. 739 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,960 Like genuinely, I just don't like have to write sort of thing. 740 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,640 I just, I don't, they just. 741 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,960 It's got to be in there. 742 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:14,960 What you're saying. 743 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,120 Maybe I can, maybe I can get a stream deck and every time the phrase starts talking, 744 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,960 I can just start mashing the fucking like bleep button. 745 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,520 Yeah, you need like a, you know how they used to do it on live radio is they would have 746 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,400 a three second delay on the street on the, on the summer. 747 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:36,320 Yeah, I had time to get a, that was how it all live broadcast used to be like that. 748 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,320 You need to produce. 749 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,320 You got a sensor. 750 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,320 That's a sensor. 751 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,320 You got a sensor in there. 752 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,320 Yeah, exactly. 753 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,200 Just because otherwise, I think in the UK, they used to be specifically like a spot fine 754 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,200 as well as on the air. 755 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,200 So they, in the US. 756 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,200 Yeah. 757 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,880 And it was like non-trivial so it was worth having an intern. 758 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:53,880 Sitting there. 759 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,880 There we go. 760 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:56,880 Right. 761 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:04,720 You know, I think if you're asking if you want to start a second podcast with no on 762 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:10,760 null and you want to run those late night with no late night with no, I think you have 763 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,400 a hundred percent blessing. 764 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,280 You know, first interview would be funny if I just interviewed myself. 765 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,280 Like so. 766 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,240 How the fuck are you so damn handsome? 767 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:28,080 I mean, it would be quite fun to edit. 768 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,080 What's your favorite movie? 769 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,080 Yeah. 770 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,080 Yeah. 771 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,080 What's your favorite movie? 772 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,480 It's an heat shit. 773 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,480 Yeah. 774 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,480 Heat is shit. 775 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,080 That's basically what it would be. 776 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,080 Yeah. 777 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,080 That's probably decidedly average movie. 778 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,080 I agree. 779 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,080 Now that you mentioned it. 780 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,680 You're amazing. 781 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:55,560 So I went to Dali Mini and it doesn't really understand Iron Throne. 782 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,560 It doesn't understand Iron Throne? 783 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,360 So it just puts the Iron Throne in a server room. 784 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,360 Oh, the server room? 785 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,360 Is that what it did? 786 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,360 That's pretty funny. 787 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,360 Yeah. 788 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,360 I... 789 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,320 Okay, well then let's see it. 790 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,320 Australian bloke. 791 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,040 Let me see if I can put it in the... 792 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,840 That's pretty funny. 793 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,840 Add over... 794 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,840 No, okay. 795 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,840 Right. 796 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,840 So, all right. 797 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:23,840 Okay, hang on. 798 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:24,840 Just don't end the stream on accident. 799 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,840 That's all. 800 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,840 Right. 801 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,840 Okay. 802 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,840 I'm going to mute myself and work out how to add this overlay without accidentally 803 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:29,840 adding the screen. 804 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,840 You know this is a podcast, right? 805 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,840 No, we can actually see this. 806 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,840 Okay. 807 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,960 Well, people on the podcast, unfortunately, are going to miss out on some real genius 808 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:38,960 here. 809 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:39,960 By Dali. 810 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:45,160 But Dali has tried very hard and I'm going to honor it by showing a couple of the pictures. 811 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,040 So I'm going to mute myself and so I end the stream with my own incompetence. 812 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,320 So Adam said, Adam Baum said, if you're doing it, it would be nice if they were tech dev 813 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,320 related. 814 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,320 Look at the fucking... 815 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,040 The average community... 816 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,040 He's working hard over there. 817 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,320 Look at his got his nose pressed to the screen. 818 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,640 How does this angle and technology work? 819 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,640 Hello. 820 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,640 Sorry, man. 821 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,520 What was the... 822 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,160 He was saying, Adam Baum, let me put it back up. 823 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,240 He said, if you're doing it, it would be nice if they're tech dev, dev, or then average 824 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:17,240 community member. 825 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:18,720 I think that's kind of what we try to do here actually. 826 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:25,600 I think we try to hit a little bit more on the tech slash dev structure and... 827 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,920 Yeah, I mean, I'm going to be asking them what kind of cereal they eat and like... 828 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,920 Perfect. 829 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,400 Those are the answers we need. 830 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,640 How they manage their sleep schedule. 831 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:43,600 What inspired you to appreciate that kind of cereal? 832 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,280 Did we get it figured out? 833 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,440 Do we have an image? 834 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,800 You could do like universe style. 835 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,040 I would inspire you to rug pool the community. 836 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,520 Holy shit, man. 837 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,320 What are you trying to do? 838 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,120 Hey, there's a picture of the unnecessary. 839 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,640 What is it ever ticking it? 840 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,480 It does have an ink in it. 841 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,120 It sort of... 842 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,520 What the fuck is that? 843 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,000 This one's kind of Geiger-like. 844 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,640 That is Geiger-like, yeah. 845 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:16,640 It is Geiger-like. 846 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,640 It's pretty cool. 847 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,640 Actually, Geiger's house slash museum. 848 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,640 It's good. 849 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,640 Have you? 850 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:23,640 I haven't been there. 851 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:30,400 So, the future reference, man, you just click on the little present button down there and 852 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:36,040 click on share a screen and then click on brave tabs and then just add that shit. 853 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,720 And then it'll present to the screen. 854 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:39,720 You're muted. 855 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:40,720 You're muted. 856 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,200 The fuck in hell? 857 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,520 I go forward from browse open on two monitors. 858 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,520 It's very easy to screw up. 859 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,680 And I just like be like, ah, just docks the spreadsheet. 860 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,880 I have a little bit of my porn. 861 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,200 Well, playing the spreadsheet, you can see who's typing or whatever and it would, I guess, 862 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,200 docks you serve. 863 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,200 Hey, easy enough. 864 00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,200 Whatever you want. 865 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,800 Yeah, I guess 35. 866 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,960 I'm wondering if you can get Dali. 867 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,960 Hang on. 868 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,080 I think Dali is not smart enough to know what, I've got another idea. 869 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,080 What are you trying? 870 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,280 What's the address for Dali? 871 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:19,480 Oh my God, are we doing a podcast of real-time Dali's of downloads in a server room? 872 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,200 Yeah, so I should say Dali mini because I'm too cheap to pay for credits for Dali. 873 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,200 What's the address? 874 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:33,680 Yeah, you come up with a better AI generated server. 875 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,680 What was it? 876 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,680 What was it you were trying to get? 877 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,200 Iron Throne made of sir. 878 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,000 Iron Throne made of NVMe sticks. 879 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,720 That's the fucking challenge. 880 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,120 What's the address for it? 881 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,840 Put the address in the private. 882 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,400 Aion is the name of the service. 883 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,040 I think the host, the Dali mini thing, which is not as cool as that. 884 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,880 Like if you buy credits like the full fucking Dali thing, it's actually really impressive. 885 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,880 Yeah, that one runs on lookup. 886 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,880 What's the address for the mini? 887 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,600 The Dali mini is kind of finger painting by Dali. 888 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,200 Dali mini runs on a Raspberry Pi. 889 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,200 I've got credits in. 890 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,200 God damn it. 891 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,720 I'm going to start muting you people. 892 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,000 Listen to me right now. 893 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,600 I've got credits on Dali. 894 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,320 So what's the address? 895 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,320 I don't remember it. 896 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,320 How do you have credits if you don't know the address? 897 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,320 I don't know. 898 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,320 I just don't remember. 899 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,320 I don't know. 900 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,320 Google.com. 901 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,320 Have you heard of it? 902 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,120 Google slash dot this address dot php. 903 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,120 How do I find things on the interwebs? 904 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,480 Put a Yahoo and then go down the actual higher gear equals string. 905 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:38,960 How do I find things on the internet? 906 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,120 I used a variant of that really shit old joke the other day. 907 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,080 It's just somebody much younger and it just confused them. 908 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,080 Wait, what's your joke? 909 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,080 I missed. 910 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,920 Well, you know, like this again, this might be a very particular thing for my age group, 911 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,880 but it was just like, it was like for a period of time, maybe in the mid to late 2000s, there 912 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:04,240 was like putting somebody down for being a bit of a grandpa where you just be like 913 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:08,240 www.fuckoff.com slash do one. 914 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,200 It's like very, very, very very dry. 915 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,400 It was just like, you were like, I don't know. 916 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,400 It was like, it just made like a fake. 917 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,800 It's just a whole it's just a fake web address. 918 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,360 And there used to be that, is that site still around that let me Google that for you site? 919 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,360 Remember that one? 920 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,480 Yeah, we're for something browser and the mouse moves over. 921 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,480 It's like, let me type it in. 922 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,200 I know it's that is a fingertip. 923 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,360 I used that when I was on a project the other year. 924 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,560 And things, it only works right? 925 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,720 The person if they never seen that, I don't know. 926 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:39,920 And therefore we'll click on it. 927 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:46,640 And this person did not know it had never heard of it before. 928 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:52,600 And I had, yeah, it was, they had asked me something like kind of installing the simple 929 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,440 and then they had actually, they went and did that, then they got really insulted. 930 00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,360 I was like, I was like, stay code of management, stay code of management. 931 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,360 That's how we do it. 932 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,120 That joke has worked for like 20 years. 933 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,120 It still works. 934 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,120 It's pretty. 935 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,120 Now for folks. 936 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,120 Oh, no, we're not watching. 937 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,120 We're not watching. 938 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,120 We're not watching. 939 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,120 Daly, never not. 940 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:15,280 No, I just did the thing that the fray was afraid of. 941 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,920 I like she had the wrong thing. 942 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:25,120 What do you suppose this likes this section here is for? 943 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,960 That's an arrow pointing up through. 944 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,200 I've got a, I got a, I got a kind of half. 945 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,200 Okay. 946 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,200 One. 947 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,200 What did you write? 948 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,200 What was your search string on this one? 949 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,160 What was your, it was iron throat made of computer path. 950 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,160 Dark. 951 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,680 Well, that's pretty dark. 952 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,800 I don't really know how to use this. 953 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,880 Game of nodes, I am thrown in front of it. 954 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,880 Game of. 955 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,880 Yeah. 956 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,880 So same of. 957 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:56,880 Yeah. 958 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,560 Game of, because I gave no game of nodes, give a thrones. 959 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,560 Cause that's the thing. 960 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,320 That's the actual real thing. 961 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,320 We're not a real thing. 962 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,320 This is not. 963 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,320 Daly doesn't give a shit about this podcast. 964 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,320 This is not real. 965 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,760 We haven't hit popular culture yet. 966 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:10,760 Uh-oh. 967 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:11,760 It's not in there. 968 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,040 Okay, so try iron throne made of rack servers. 969 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,080 What the fuck is this one? 970 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,080 What is that? 971 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,080 Is that, that looks like graphics cards or something. 972 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,080 It's not bad. 973 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,080 What, what? 974 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,080 I don't know. 975 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,080 I don't know. 976 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,080 They're in the middle of the scene every time. 977 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,480 Cause it's Geiger. 978 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,040 Geiger is behind Daly. 979 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,040 Daly is Geiger. 980 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,040 Um, partial match is said. 981 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:40,480 I'm surprised none of you have downloaded stable diffusion and played with that. 982 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,480 That's free, right? 983 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,480 That's free. 984 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,480 Yeah. 985 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,360 I mean, it's the basis of these, these models, right? 986 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,080 Oh, it's, um, yeah. 987 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:54,960 I mean, really should, but also have been working this, this podcast is the, is my time off 988 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:55,960 for the week. 989 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:56,960 This is my me time. 990 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,760 I spend the whole of it with these two. 991 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,560 I'm trying to show it to you when he shows up. 992 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,800 That's worth the rate. 993 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,720 Watching, watching no cycle through a website is. 994 00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:08,720 Yeah. 995 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:15,080 I was, I was trying to find all these random things. 996 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,600 Uh, but anyway, this shit's getting scary. 997 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:19,600 It's pretty good. 998 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:20,600 Yeah. 999 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:21,600 Yeah. 1000 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,440 I mean, it's got, it's got a ways to go, but there is a tremendous amount of coolness 1001 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,080 in that, in that piece. 1002 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,000 It's not going to replace artists or anything, but there's a, there's a lot of, there's a 1003 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,000 lot of cool stuff there. 1004 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,000 Yeah. 1005 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,000 It's kind of astonishing, isn't it? 1006 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,000 Really? 1007 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,120 I mean, all of this stuff is ready. 1008 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,960 I mean, like, I'm not, I don't know, I'd be too like vague about things, but you know, 1009 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,720 computers and pretty, pretty neat what you can do with the computer now, isn't it? 1010 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:49,440 I mean, all those, all those are based off of images that already exist. 1011 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,200 So there's not really creativity in there, right? 1012 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,680 It's really a bit of mashup of different types of things. 1013 00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:01,120 But once it starts understanding and kind of relating specific images to specific feelings 1014 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,280 and you start getting that piece going into it and kind of breaking it down. 1015 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,720 And like, if you put like, you, you pick dark theme, like dark theme doesn't mean anything, 1016 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:09,720 right? 1017 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,840 But it, I guess I kind of figured out dark theme means a pull up. 1018 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:20,080 It means in the situation, when I started typing in like, you know, dark themes and stuff, 1019 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:26,320 it like, it went from like this bright and sunny crap to like, you know, misty fucking 1020 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,440 shit with red lava floor and whatever. 1021 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,440 Right. 1022 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,320 So, but if you're like sad or something or like something similar to that, I wonder 1023 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:39,720 how it, if it starts to put images together into sad or like how the hell would it know? 1024 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:44,400 In my current mood, like, you know, right, make a scene in my current mood and it's just 1025 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,320 like, checks the Juneau price and then. 1026 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:55,600 But the thing is though, the, what is, what is art? 1027 00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,640 I mean, like as an art for, for a human artist is also just reacting to inputs, isn't it? 1028 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,040 And mashing together a bunch of. 1029 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,040 With their own style, right? 1030 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,040 Yeah. 1031 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,040 Like the way that they see those things, right? 1032 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,040 I, I agree with, I'm with you. 1033 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:13,640 Art's a reflection of like feelings, right? 1034 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,520 And experiences, right? 1035 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,720 Like what they've seen and what they picked up in the past and what drew them in and their 1036 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:21,120 own take on it. 1037 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,880 And then I assume there's feeling, like you said, there's feelings in that too. 1038 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:29,760 I don't think a computer can replicate that, but can it, can it look at a billion images 1039 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,800 around others who have said, this is what sad means and turn that into something that 1040 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,640 they could say, we think this is in the theme of sad. 1041 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,640 I don't know. 1042 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,640 It's possible. 1043 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:46,480 I just tend to think that art is just a communications medium with a very high bandwidth. 1044 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,320 So like you look at, you look at that like the toilet, you know, the toilet, the Mutt 1045 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,880 toilet, where it's just a toilet with the word Mutt on it. 1046 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,440 Can't remember who did it. 1047 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:55,440 Sorry. 1048 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:56,440 Mutt? 1049 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,440 To surrealist artists. 1050 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,720 The famous piece of art where it's a urinal and it says Mutt on it, right? 1051 00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:06,600 It's like classic piece of art. 1052 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:07,600 Classic. 1053 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:13,840 But I think about how much information is contained within, like if you looked at that, 1054 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:19,640 you're like, this is like a whole discourse on art and surrealism and like the challenging 1055 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,160 nature of what's being done here and what is art. 1056 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,160 And it's contained in this one moment that you take it in like that, like the bandwidth 1057 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,600 of that information download. 1058 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,360 You just had that communication that's been beamed into your head is crazy. 1059 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,480 That's kind of what I think art is, right? 1060 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:43,840 So the question is, like, is how the viewer perceives the art more important? 1061 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:50,400 Or like, is it necessary that the artist is trying to communicate something? 1062 00:51:50,400 --> 00:52:00,120 Or is it enough that the viewer takes sensory input from that communication and then takes 1063 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,280 something from themselves, right? 1064 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,560 Because otherwise, if it has to have a human going like, I have an artistic vision, here 1065 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:06,560 is what I'm trying to communicate. 1066 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,680 Even if they don't know what they're trying to communicate, they make a piece of art to 1067 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,680 communicate and they want other people to see it. 1068 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,200 That's the primary thing artists want to do, right? 1069 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:19,400 And hang out on a wall, people go, hmm, interesting, I take something from that. 1070 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,640 Because for those people, like the artist could be dead, right? 1071 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,880 Or an unknown artist, another thing, right? 1072 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,920 Especially in the unknown artist case, no different from a computer, does it matter? 1073 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,640 Like you look at something and you're like, hmm, that's challenging and provocative. 1074 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,720 And then something tells you, oh, a computer made it. 1075 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:38,360 Are you going to be like, that is suddenly no longer challenging and provocative and 1076 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,160 my reaction to it was completely invalid? 1077 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,680 No, you could probably go, interesting. 1078 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,560 That is perhaps even more provocative. 1079 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:48,560 Do you see them? 1080 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:49,560 That's it. 1081 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:50,560 Marcel Duchamp. 1082 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:51,560 I just looked it up too. 1083 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,560 Yep. 1084 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:53,960 Well done, partial match. 1085 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,640 Just because, thank you, partial match. 1086 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,040 Just because I don't, I'm not cultured enough to know the artist. 1087 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,440 I don't think I've seen this piece before. 1088 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,440 Yeah. 1089 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,440 I'm not missing much. 1090 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,440 It's not year in all either. 1091 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:05,440 I'm missing much. 1092 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,440 It's not year in all. 1093 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,440 It is a year in all outside, but yeah. 1094 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,480 I don't think I've seen this piece before. 1095 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,480 It's a piece. 1096 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:13,480 It is a piece. 1097 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,880 No, I agree with you. 1098 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:24,920 I think your, the point is right and it'll be interesting to see kind of where, how this 1099 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:25,920 thing learns. 1100 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,640 I'm wondering if they actually take a look and see you. 1101 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:36,920 I'm wondering if, if like in, in nulls like, you know, pictures of iron thrones with poles 1102 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,600 up the ass and like his thing, if they actually take a look and see like what was copied or 1103 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,800 what was used and like use that as an input to go forward and like, is there any learning 1104 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,480 involved in that type of thing would be interesting too. 1105 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,680 We've already caused controversy in the comments. 1106 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,480 We've already got Adam Baum saying that Duchamp's fountain is not art. 1107 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,680 So probably not. 1108 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:57,680 I mean, what is it? 1109 00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,160 I mean, it's a podcast. 1110 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,160 We're not, we're not, we're not answering what is art today. 1111 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:07,160 I know, I know art is something that you can't right click and save as. 1112 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,680 That's an NFT joke. 1113 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,440 I hear that all art, you have to be able to right click and save as that's very important. 1114 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,440 Is that right? 1115 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,240 It's a, it's mutable. 1116 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,880 Scott McLeod has a good definition for, for art. 1117 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:29,360 It's anything that a human does that doesn't directly involve survival or fucking. 1118 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,360 He doesn't phrase it like that. 1119 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,760 He's a very, very mild-mannered man, but it's, it's in the, I'm sure I must have mentioned 1120 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:36,760 this in the show before. 1121 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,720 There's a great passage in understanding comics where he basically draws a panel where there's 1122 00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:47,280 like this caveman trying to seduce a partner and then like, and then like a saber-tooth 1123 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,200 tiger comes along and like the potential mate like hops up a tree and he's sort of saying 1124 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,640 everything to this point, none of this is art, obviously. 1125 00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,680 And then he's got this caveman running away from the saber-tooth tiger and then they get 1126 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,000 to the edge of this cliff and he like basically jumps up to like this tree and catches it. 1127 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000 He's like monkey-barring off it. 1128 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,360 And the, the tiger just shoots past him like Tom and Jerry. 1129 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,000 It's out of roadrunner style and like shoots past, there's like, on thin air. 1130 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,600 And the final panel is like the tiger looks over its head, over its shoulder like, you 1131 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,480 know, sort of again, loony toon starters. 1132 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,760 It's about to obviously fall into this canyon and the caveman is like hanging by one hand 1133 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:29,000 and goes like, and then Scott McCloud like draws an arrow and says like, art. 1134 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,040 He's like, who knows? 1135 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:37,800 Maybe this is how comedy started. 1136 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,200 He just mutes himself. 1137 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,160 I think I've said my thing. 1138 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,560 I said my thing. 1139 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,640 Oh, okay. 1140 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,160 Adam Baum is like, he's, he's not a fan of the, the chomps fountain. 1141 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,160 Not a fan. 1142 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,480 How do I turn the volume off on bloody discord? 1143 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:55,480 That's you beeping. 1144 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,480 It's you. 1145 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,320 Like, I don't, like I don't hit that shit enough. 1146 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,360 It's going to, it's going to go by this podcast. 1147 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,840 It's going to go into my eyes constantly. 1148 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,080 I can never have it off. 1149 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:11,600 I just discovered that I'm a fella was he and started messaging me. 1150 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,600 They want to go kangaroo hunting or play two up or something. 1151 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:15,920 So speaking of art, right? 1152 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:16,920 Two up. 1153 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:17,920 You both right? 1154 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:23,040 If we, I think, I think when the game of nodes crew finally be face to face, two up 1155 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,040 is just what we're going to do. 1156 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,360 I'm totally, I'm actually, I was actually looking at eBay. 1157 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:35,720 We just, we just progressive a gamble our entire company away via the medium of two up. 1158 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:36,720 Just like it. 1159 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,440 Maybe we should do it like a web three version. 1160 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,000 Just bet bad kids. 1161 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,000 Oh my God. 1162 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,480 What if, what if two up, but if you lose your bad kid gets burned? 1163 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,480 Wait, hang on. 1164 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:50,480 Perfect. 1165 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,480 Hold up. 1166 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,320 I was going to bring up no pixels, right? 1167 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,800 Because it seemed like a good segue from art to no pixels. 1168 00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,400 But what if there is a piece of art for you? 1169 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:09,640 What if we make a coin flip game where in order to play, you have to put your NFT into 1170 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:10,640 it? 1171 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,640 Okay. 1172 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:12,720 Not sure what the reward is here. 1173 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,360 Come back to me on that one in a minute. 1174 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,800 But if you lose, I know that it burns your bad kids. 1175 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,320 It burns a bad kid. 1176 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,120 But what would be the win? 1177 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,120 What would you win? 1178 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,120 I guess you probably have some kind of a prize pool, right? 1179 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,120 There is no win. 1180 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,200 You just, it's just the game to let the weather or not your NFT gets burned. 1181 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,600 It's just, right, it's just rush real that. 1182 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,000 It's validator operations in a nutshell. 1183 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,000 Exactly. 1184 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,960 I was revived whatever this game is called with my, you know, $70,000 board. 1185 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:41,960 Yeah. 1186 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,560 Maybe there's kind of a weird game ask element to it where you know what it is. 1187 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:51,280 If you survive, it gives you a new NFT that says you played the game and you survived. 1188 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,320 Oh, we could, we could do a Stargaze badge. 1189 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,320 Yeah. 1190 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,320 Maybe that's it. 1191 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,520 We do one of those badges from Larry around surviving two of us. 1192 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:00,520 Hang on. 1193 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:01,520 No, no, no. 1194 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:02,520 Hang on. 1195 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,920 Use the noise Oracle for our randomness. 1196 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:06,920 Okay. 1197 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:07,920 Thank you. 1198 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:17,960 So it gives you a game NFT, but with an inlay of the NFT that you survived it with. 1199 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:23,360 So like if you put up your $10 million NFT and you survived it, people are going to be 1200 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,480 like, holy shit, man, you're fucking insane. 1201 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,240 And then you have to get that tattooed. 1202 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,200 Sorry, you can talk now. 1203 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,560 That's actually really good. 1204 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,280 I hate to say this now, but it's actually quite a good idea. 1205 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,280 That's a good idea. 1206 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,400 Any guy, any guy, then you got to get, then whatever you, where we end up with, you get 1207 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,880 tattooed on your leg or something. 1208 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,160 I kind of like, I kind of like the fucking shit book because even if one or two people 1209 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:55,720 played it and then came out like I gambled my really rare bad kid and I got away with 1210 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:56,720 it. 1211 00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:57,720 I'm a legend. 1212 00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,720 You'd be like, I don't know if you are a legend. 1213 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,720 You're an absolute legend. 1214 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,240 We'd call it like NFT roulette. 1215 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,240 No, it's too obvious. 1216 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,240 Russian NFT. 1217 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:08,240 Russian NFT. 1218 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,240 We're still going to DJ NFT. 1219 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,240 Don't mean. 1220 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,240 We do. 1221 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,240 Maybe this is DJNFT.Z. 1222 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,240 This is the cool guy. 1223 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,240 Yeah. 1224 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:22,240 This is my qualify for that. 1225 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:29,800 The most DJ thing you can do is play the, play the deer hunter with your bad kid. 1226 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:30,800 You don't gain anything. 1227 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:31,800 You can only lose. 1228 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:32,800 I love it. 1229 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:33,800 Yeah. 1230 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:40,160 I come over here with somebody I know like with like with their mother-in-law and like 1231 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,640 their partner had had to go out to do something. 1232 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:43,640 I had to go to work. 1233 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,240 So there was something came up and they had to leave and then the mother-in-law was just 1234 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,000 like, what should we do? 1235 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,960 I just put on a film and they put on the deer hunter. 1236 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,120 Like it was just like a Saturday afternoon or something. 1237 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:55,120 This person never seen it before. 1238 00:59:55,120 --> 01:00:01,440 They were just like, I want to just sat there, maybe sit through the whole thing just unexpectedly. 1239 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,160 Imagine watching the deer hunter going cold. 1240 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,160 Don't know what it is. 1241 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:09,720 Just kind of awkwardly with your, with your mother-in-law. 1242 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,720 Have you seen this movie? 1243 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,720 The deer hunter. 1244 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:20,080 The one we've been talking about for the last 20 minutes. 1245 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,240 No, didn't you tell me not to watch it the other day? 1246 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,560 Oh, I knew it. 1247 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:24,560 I knew it. 1248 01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:25,560 We were talking about it. 1249 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:30,720 I was going to watch it and the fray was like, it is the most fucking boring thing you'll 1250 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:31,720 ever watch. 1251 01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:32,720 Oh my God. 1252 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:33,720 I won't watch it then. 1253 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:34,720 Save me three hours. 1254 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:35,720 Oh my goodness. 1255 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:44,120 Once again, speechless. 1256 01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,600 It's a very dark film. 1257 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,320 I think you said something along the lines of like, you know, you'll never get the three 1258 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,320 hours back and you'll want to kill yourself at the end of it. 1259 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,040 I was like, well, that's true. 1260 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,440 And yet it's kind of required. 1261 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,080 It's required watching right is like, you've got to watch. 1262 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,080 You got to watch your ones. 1263 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,840 I don't think I'll ever watch it again. 1264 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,880 I watched it a few times, but like a few times is enough. 1265 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:07,880 It's enough. 1266 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:12,640 Like it's a it is a it is a it's a it's a fucking ringer. 1267 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,680 Like you have to be in the right mood to watch those kinds of old movies too, though. 1268 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:20,520 So you need to be like at least halfway into a bottle of good whiskey and have your phone 1269 01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:21,520 turned off. 1270 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,520 It's got to be late. 1271 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,080 It's got to be late. 1272 01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,080 Yeah. 1273 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,080 Middle of the night type shit. 1274 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,080 Yeah. 1275 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,080 Yeah. 1276 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,360 A lot of those old films as well, they are almost all of them have pacing problems and 1277 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,920 quite a lot of them are about a half an hour too long. 1278 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:34,920 That's like the classic. 1279 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:35,920 Yeah. 1280 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:36,920 Yeah. 1281 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:37,920 Classic problem with films. 1282 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,840 You know, there was a weird point in the 90s where they just started making like from 1283 01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:41,840 like that. 1284 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:46,440 I don't know, like 1988 to like, there was a period of time where it felt like people 1285 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,520 were just making hour and a half long films, right? 1286 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:49,520 That's what I'm saying. 1287 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,920 It was like, it was after the bit where everybody was like going to a double feature and wanted 1288 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:53,920 to be entertained. 1289 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,920 At some point, they started making hour and a half long films. 1290 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,920 I think about it. 1291 01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,760 So like, I pretty sure like Wayne's world and shit like that. 1292 01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,440 That was all like hour and a half. 1293 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,080 Maybe from New York's hour and a half. 1294 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:03,080 Yeah. 1295 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,840 You know, a lot of that film films in that period, they're quite they're quite snappy 1296 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,760 and there's some exceptions like Point Break. 1297 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,760 He is fucking long fair game now. 1298 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,000 But now they're like, it's like break too long. 1299 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,480 200 minutes, 130 minimum stuff like that. 1300 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,480 Two, two hours, 10. 1301 01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,880 You better have a lot to say if you're going to keep me in the cinema for two hours, 10. 1302 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,760 Three hours, three minutes for this movie is a bit long. 1303 01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,640 Yeah, I would agree. 1304 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,640 Wait a minute. 1305 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:34,080 I'm are you are you saying that gelato are doing the DGNNFT roulette? 1306 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,560 Jesus, that's awful. 1307 01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,280 Did we just come up with something to let us do? 1308 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,280 She's done. 1309 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,240 We're not next week. 1310 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,240 Next week. 1311 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,120 We're officially out. 1312 01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:48,120 Fuck this. 1313 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:54,080 We're also badger bites as null you look, I'm guessing so tired. 1314 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,080 Yeah. 1315 01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,880 It's like a good sleep in Shelly. 1316 01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,560 Yeah, that's kind of just my look. 1317 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,560 The valvite look, isn't it? 1318 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,880 This is like genetic to validators. 1319 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:07,880 Yeah. 1320 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,120 Before we were joining, I was trying to come up with a name for the null RV. 1321 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,600 Like he hasn't named it, which is really weird. 1322 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:15,920 Like it's his house on wheels. 1323 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:16,920 You should name it, right? 1324 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,920 You have to give it a name. 1325 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:24,280 Tombstone or I said Shelly, but that wasn't really good. 1326 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,280 Like maybe. 1327 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,960 Like maybe something to do with bears. 1328 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,800 Like with bears. 1329 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:32,800 Winnie. 1330 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:33,800 Cool. 1331 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:34,800 You don't have bears. 1332 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,160 No, but we're suffering a bear. 1333 01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,280 Oh, the bear market. 1334 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,280 Oh, okay. 1335 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:41,280 That's deep. 1336 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,280 It's bad. 1337 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,840 I was just thinking about kind of like the ecology of Australia there. 1338 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:46,840 Badger. 1339 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,840 And also like Winnie is like a Canadian bear as well. 1340 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,840 So like doubly. 1341 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,280 Doubly. 1342 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,080 Not relevant to your situation. 1343 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,200 Oh, here we go. 1344 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,840 So a badge of bike did clarify. 1345 01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,920 He said, I looked ass tired. 1346 01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:00,920 Thanks man. 1347 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:01,920 Sure enough. 1348 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:02,920 Okay. 1349 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:03,920 Yeah. 1350 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,320 Or maybe that was a name he wanted to give you RV. 1351 01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,320 Ass tired. 1352 01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,760 I am speaking of tired. 1353 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:16,800 Like two things happened in the last couple of days that have increased my tiredness, 1354 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,000 aside from the fact that, you know, I've been inhaling brake dust. 1355 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:27,200 For the first time in a little while, an EC2 instance must have got recycled or something 1356 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,600 like the underlying the box. 1357 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:34,760 And then a crash looped itself, which I've not seen that happen in a year or two. 1358 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:35,760 So that was really fun. 1359 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,800 What do you mean a crash itself? 1360 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,520 So it became unreachable basically. 1361 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:46,000 And then when that happens, they try and reboot themselves and they just crash looped. 1362 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,760 So I had to like fully bounce and recycle the. 1363 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:53,600 Did you have to do a terminate and restart or did AWS actually automatically realize 1364 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,360 that they're automatic Reaper, I guess, tried to do it for me. 1365 01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,360 And it was. 1366 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:07,960 But if anybody is wondering why the Juno force that was down for an hour and a half in the 1367 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:13,520 wee hours of the morning and it's I woke up and Max Juno had sent me a message and was 1368 01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:27,040 like, I like that you put all these in here for me to recognize that every time you do 1369 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,080 that is a fucking nightmare on the editing side. 1370 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:30,960 So just cool your fucking jets. 1371 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,720 Dude, everyone takes me like five minutes. 1372 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,760 Just every time you do that, it takes me five minutes. 1373 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,200 It's five more minutes of my life. 1374 01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:39,760 Fucking slow down. 1375 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:40,760 All right. 1376 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,840 I was like, should we do another podcast? 1377 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:44,840 Exactly. 1378 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,840 Edit your own shit. 1379 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:47,840 I'm dying. 1380 01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:48,840 I'm dead. 1381 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,640 It was one already. 1382 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,240 Please stop hitting the sound effect. 1383 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:54,960 Stop hitting that shit. 1384 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,560 75 tracks and audacity or whatever is just cool your jets. 1385 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,320 Oh, does it make a separate track every time we do that? 1386 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:02,320 It does. 1387 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:03,320 Yeah. 1388 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:04,320 Yeah. 1389 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,320 So then you have to like find where to put it. 1390 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:06,320 Yeah. 1391 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,240 And like the stream yard thing is like, like it doesn't line them up. 1392 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,280 So it's just like, oh yeah, it's at like 42 minutes and eight seconds. 1393 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,000 Well, fuck, there's a big eight seconds is pretty like within eight seconds. 1394 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,280 Within a second is pretty long. 1395 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,560 So like trying to line up voices and shit and everything else. 1396 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:20,560 Yeah. 1397 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,040 It doesn't, it doesn't zero. 1398 01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,040 It doesn't like zero pad. 1399 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,040 It doesn't. 1400 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,960 It just gives you like a time and the time is close. 1401 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:27,960 But I do some editing. 1402 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:28,960 So the time's changed. 1403 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:29,960 It's like a whole thing. 1404 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:36,920 This is how much care I put into this podcast for our, we should, we should really market 1405 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:37,920 this. 1406 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:49,160 So it's worth, it's worth saying we are starting to, we seem to kind of do a really good job 1407 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,160 for a few episodes of like really like hammering the guests and then we get a bit tired. 1408 01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,000 We knocked it off for a few weeks. 1409 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,000 This is more fun though. 1410 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,000 I have more fun with this. 1411 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,960 We've got a bit, I can't wait for the, can we talk about the doozy one? 1412 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,960 We got a really good one coming up on Mesh, which is going to be really cool. 1413 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,760 It's like hard to organize guests, right? 1414 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:12,160 Especially if you want to have multiple and then like you really have to like be, if you're 1415 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,040 not fully into it too, it's hard to have a guest. 1416 01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,760 Like if, you know what I mean? 1417 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:17,760 Are you organizing guests? 1418 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:24,600 I thought the organizing guest was on the other side of the screen. 1419 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,760 Are you, are you, are you organizing? 1420 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,760 I don't know who's organizing. 1421 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:29,760 Oh, okay. 1422 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:30,760 Just checking. 1423 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:31,760 I've organized guests in the past. 1424 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:32,760 Yes. 1425 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:33,760 Okay. 1426 01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,760 I don't know what I want. 1427 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:36,760 Yeah. 1428 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,760 I can't, I can't point. 1429 01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:41,760 Yeah. 1430 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,760 The mesh one will be good. 1431 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,760 Who's organizing the mesh one? 1432 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:46,760 That's, that's you, right? 1433 01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,760 No, no, I think, no, Frey is getting, I think two guests. 1434 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,760 I'm getting one guest, I think is what we're trying to do. 1435 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:53,760 I already sorted. 1436 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:54,760 I'm just, are you sorted? 1437 01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:55,760 Yeah. 1438 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:56,760 Well, I have it up. 1439 01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:57,760 You want me to get a guest too? 1440 01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,760 I think my mom's free that weekend. 1441 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,760 What does your, what's your mom know about mesh security? 1442 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:05,760 What's that? 1443 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,760 Will she be, will she be staying in ass tired or are you going to, 1444 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,760 are you dilating it from home? 1445 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,760 Put her in a, in a cot in the annex. 1446 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,760 In the annex of ass tired. 1447 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:17,760 Okay. 1448 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,760 So I, so I lost, I lost a box and that was, that was kind of freaky. 1449 01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:20,760 Cause I was like, oh, okay. 1450 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:26,760 Got to completely rethink, um, like how, how we would alert for that situation is also 1451 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:27,760 really strange. 1452 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,760 Cause like the, the error. 1453 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:30,760 Yeah. 1454 01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:36,760 Also as a test net box, so it, we don't have every screaming pager duty error set up for 1455 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:37,760 either. 1456 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,760 It's like, uh, it's not an alliterate, it's just an RPC notes. 1457 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:45,760 You just hit and like the RPC endpoint as a trigger in that there's not much else, right? 1458 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:46,760 Yeah. 1459 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:47,760 And like basic. 1460 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,960 So we do do some stuff via, um, public RPCs, but then what's happened happening recently 1461 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,560 is there'd been quite a few problems with public RPCs. 1462 01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,760 So, um, some people have been rate limiting or turning them off with stuff like that. 1463 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:06,760 And that is a little bit of a, I think basically like, I'm kind of at the point where for extra 1464 01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,760 redundancy, are we going to run our own RPCs just for our own monitoring? 1465 01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,760 Um, that's not what I'm kind of thinking. 1466 01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:18,260 You might have noticed my general reaction to something is to kind of do something until 1467 01:09:18,260 --> 01:09:20,460 I'm like happy and I can sleep at night. 1468 01:09:20,460 --> 01:09:23,760 And then when something bad goes wrong, I like, they're massively overreact. 1469 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:24,760 Yeah. 1470 01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:30,060 So I'm like, right, do we need to rig up our own private network of RPCs low balanced 1471 01:09:30,060 --> 01:09:32,760 around the globe? 1472 01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:37,760 That's kind of where I, and I'm sure like, for a test net faucet, yeah, to serve your 1473 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:42,760 fucking like eight random requests on this net faucet. 1474 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:50,960 People are just spamming the shit out of, but we also had, um, on, um, we had a, a weird, 1475 01:09:50,960 --> 01:10:00,480 I had like a full blown phone going off page GT alert on, uh, over on an aptos and I sent 1476 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:04,960 you sir for a message being like, is it me? 1477 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:05,960 That's always a bad sign. 1478 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:06,960 Yeah. 1479 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:07,960 Is it just me? 1480 01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,360 It seemed weird to get like one ping and then nothing. 1481 01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:11,360 Uh-huh. 1482 01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:14,760 Cause it then degraded to a zero incident almost immediately. 1483 01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,460 And I was like, so I sent you sir for a note being like, I think something weird's happened 1484 01:10:18,460 --> 01:10:19,460 with peering. 1485 01:10:19,460 --> 01:10:24,480 Like a node's gone down or something adjacent because that, you know, that's how consensus 1486 01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:25,480 can work. 1487 01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:31,240 And we, and we've dropped a, dropped a, um, a proposal and you serve it just texted back. 1488 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:32,560 I think your node was down. 1489 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,600 It doesn't go where you drop the, like I see a, I see a dip in the metrics and that's 1490 01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:37,600 you. 1491 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:38,600 Yeah. 1492 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,600 How many of you know, how many did you lose? 1493 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:41,600 Good pep talk. 1494 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:42,600 We're losing some nines. 1495 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,600 We're losing some nines. 1496 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:44,600 That would make a good t-shirt. 1497 01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:49,600 Losing some nines. 1498 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,600 Losing some nines. 1499 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,600 Losing some nines. 1500 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:59,160 That, that would be actually like a good, uh, you know, um, Cosmo versus shirt. 1501 01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:00,600 It's like Cosmo. 1502 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,600 We're dropping nines. 1503 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,600 Dropping nines. 1504 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,600 You know, cause you're there on the piss. 1505 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:08,600 That would know. 1506 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,600 That is just Juno first. 1507 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:11,600 Yeah. 1508 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:12,600 Dropping nines. 1509 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,600 Getting cyber attack dropping. 1510 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:16,600 Dropping nines. 1511 01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:17,600 Yeah. 1512 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,600 Should actually make that shit. 1513 01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:21,600 Yeah. 1514 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:22,600 Gamer nodes, Gamer nodes merge. 1515 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,600 Gamer nodes drop in nines. 1516 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:25,600 Drop in nines. 1517 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:26,600 2021. 1518 01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:27,600 Yeah. 1519 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:28,600 Actually, yeah. 1520 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,600 Game of nodes official operator dropping nines. 1521 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:37,600 The gene, the gene wilder meme where it's just like, I heard you dropped a juice. 1522 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:38,600 I dropped a nine. 1523 01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:39,600 Dropped a nine. 1524 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:40,600 Yeah. 1525 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:41,600 Last night. 1526 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:46,600 Or, you know, you could have like the, uh, the inverse shirt to that and like stack 1527 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,600 and nines for a good balance. 1528 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:50,600 Yeah. 1529 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,600 All the good networks stack and nines. 1530 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,600 Oh man. 1531 01:11:54,600 --> 01:12:01,600 I was just trying to, uh, look up the note, uh, the note. 1532 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,600 No pixels. 1533 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:04,600 The which one? 1534 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:05,600 The no pixels. 1535 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,600 You know the, it's in the notes. 1536 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,600 You suffer fucking rude. 1537 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,600 I mean, no, that's right. 1538 01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,600 No pixels.io. 1539 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:21,600 Um, oh, partial match was also asking about the uni thing. 1540 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,600 Yeah. 1541 01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,600 We have some fucking jerk off. 1542 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,600 I really aggressively auto compounding on uni again. 1543 01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:32,600 And because we tell all the validators to not auto compound or compound, cause it's just 1544 01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,600 much easier to manage. 1545 01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,600 Um, everybody only has like 9,000 steak or something like that. 1546 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:45,600 So it's really easy for one mad person to like completely unbalance the set. 1547 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,600 And so, um, yeah, I don't know. 1548 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:55,600 Maybe we're just going to do an upgrade prop on, on uni now where I just nuked this wallet. 1549 01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:01,600 So we can, we can also just, I've sent them some messages with a memo field that goes 1550 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,600 dude, like honestly, stop running a compound script. 1551 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,600 Like I feel like I've worn them. 1552 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,600 I called them out on Twitter. 1553 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,600 I called them out on Twitter. 1554 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:16,600 I've docked their wallet and I've also privately send them a note in the memo field. 1555 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:23,600 Um, and I'm kind of at this point, like maybe we just removed them from the network. 1556 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:28,600 So just, um, I wonder, I wonder if they actually have like the requisite wallet on the, on the 1557 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:33,600 Juno mainnet because they're obviously a airdrop wallet, right? 1558 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,600 I wonder if they still hold it. 1559 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:43,600 I noted that also degenerate shit with their seed phrase to be able to do that. 1560 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,600 Um, compounding. 1561 01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,600 Well, no, they're actually manual compounding because it's only happening sporadically. 1562 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,600 Wait, they're manual compounding on uni. 1563 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:52,600 Why? 1564 01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:53,600 Like once a day. 1565 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:54,600 Oh yeah. 1566 01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,600 Six hours ago, 14, 15 hours ago, a day ago. 1567 01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,600 Yeah, I think it is manual. 1568 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,600 Actually, you're right. 1569 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,600 That's fucking crazy. 1570 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:08,600 I've just, I've just even bought back for the last before, you know, they started off with, 1571 01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:14,600 I looked in the Genesis file, they, they, they started with a non-trivial amount of Juno, like 11,000. 1572 01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,600 Why were they in the Genesis free for uni? 1573 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:18,600 They're in a Genesis. 1574 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,600 So Genesis is the mainnet Genesis. 1575 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:22,600 Yeah. 1576 01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:23,600 Oh, it is. 1577 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:24,600 Oh, okay. 1578 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:30,600 Genesis for uni is a pretty heavily modified version of the original Juno Genesis. 1579 01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:32,600 I gotcha. 1580 01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:37,600 So, so this person may or may not know that this is not worth anything. 1581 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:38,600 I don't know. 1582 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,600 Like who doesn't know the uni is not real. 1583 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:46,600 The clue is that the network goes down every once in a while and you lose all your money. 1584 01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,600 Like this person has already lost all their money. 1585 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:58,600 They, they, they, you know, they test net Juno when uni for wrap three, whichever the one last one was uni three wrapped up. 1586 01:14:58,600 --> 01:14:59,600 Right. 1587 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:08,600 We brought up a new network and they immediately just started recombining again, given that their compounding was also the final nail in the coffin for uni three. 1588 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:17,600 Because they, their wallet had, without any of us noticing had gotten so big that they were just swaying who was number one in the set and the top value. 1589 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,600 98% of the fucking steak. 1590 01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:20,600 Yeah. 1591 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:29,600 So much power that the network was barely able to make blocks like that was the problem. 1592 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,600 Just, just like the address. 1593 01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:37,600 Todd, I tweeted the address so you can go on my Twitter. 1594 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:38,600 Todd, I think this is it. 1595 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:39,600 I'm pretty sure. 1596 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:44,600 So they do, they have a main net address and they delegate six to know to me. 1597 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,600 Thank you. 1598 01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,600 I hate your shit on uni five. 1599 01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,600 I'm going to go back and delete my tweet. 1600 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,600 You are great. 1601 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,600 You're a great member of the community. 1602 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,600 Thank you. 1603 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,600 You've got very good days to validate. 1604 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:01,600 So it's you. 1605 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,600 Is that what you're saying? 1606 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,600 Is this you? 1607 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,600 It was an inside job. 1608 01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:16,600 So to counteract, to counteract the, the compounder of aggressively started compounding. 1609 01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,600 That might be the only solution here, right? 1610 01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,600 So I'm trying to out compound them. 1611 01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:27,600 And then, but I only delegate like it picks from the random bottom three. 1612 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,600 So all people who newly enter the network get steak as well. 1613 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,600 So just random picks one three and stakes to them every five minutes. 1614 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:40,600 And then every, every time I read stakes, it just picks one from the bottom three. 1615 01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:45,600 So yeah, thanks Mercury for the script. 1616 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,600 But I'm hoping that I can just in a couple of weeks, just out delegate them. 1617 01:16:49,600 --> 01:17:01,600 So if anyone's got spare tokens and they, they want to, to help us like restore the sanctity of uni five, just throw them into my wallet so I can out delegate this guy. 1618 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,600 And this is, and this is, this is active, right? 1619 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,600 Because I think they were deli with somebody else. 1620 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:07,600 It was dispersed, right? 1621 01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:12,600 Or somebody, and then we asked them to move their commission out commission to 100%. 1622 01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,600 And then they moved it. 1623 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,600 Yeah. They got the 80% and then they moved it. Yeah. 1624 01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,600 So, so clearly, clearly they're watching. 1625 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,600 It's, I think there's the element here where we might be getting trolled. 1626 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:27,600 I think so. 1627 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,600 It's wherever this is. 1628 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,600 These coins are worth nothing. 1629 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:33,600 It's just clear. 1630 01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,600 It's clear to be sure it's you or somebody. 1631 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:36,600 No value here. 1632 01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,600 It's someone we know. 1633 01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:43,600 It's just somebody who's seen, who's seen the bags under our eyes and just got like, I think I know. 1634 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,600 I think I know what would be funny. 1635 01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,600 I think I know what these lads need. 1636 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,600 I think I can increase the size of them bags. 1637 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:51,600 Yeah. 1638 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:52,600 Exactly. 1639 01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:56,600 Not the kind of bags that we need, but the kind of bags under their eyes. 1640 01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:00,600 The, they're not the bags we need, but they the bags we got. 1641 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:08,600 That's a slightly more cryptic t-shirt than the drop in nines t-shirt. 1642 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,600 But it's a good t-shirt. 1643 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,600 I really want that t-shirt now. 1644 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,600 I would wear that t-shirt. 1645 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:16,600 Yeah. 1646 01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,600 Or maybe like a one-end. 1647 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:19,600 We're getting two into merchant. 1648 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:20,600 Let's not worry about the merchant. 1649 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,600 They're dropping nines t-shirt. 1650 01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,600 You know what interested in the stacking nines? 1651 01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,600 Stacking or dropping? 1652 01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:27,600 I'm not stacking nines. 1653 01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:28,600 Stacking. 1654 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:29,600 I don't think it's possible to stack nines. 1655 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:30,600 You start. 1656 01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:31,600 It's kind of like a deer hunter thing, right? 1657 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:32,600 It's only down from here. 1658 01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:33,600 You start at 100. 1659 01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:34,600 It's only down. 1660 01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,600 You start at 100 and you start dropping. 1661 01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:37,600 You never stack. 1662 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:38,600 You never stack. 1663 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:39,600 That's how statistics work. 1664 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:40,600 It's a deer hunter. 1665 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:45,600 It depends on if you're operating in a window or infinity. 1666 01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:46,600 Good point. 1667 01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:52,600 I guess as somebody who is, I guess, always worried about their own mortality, I'm always 1668 01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,600 thinking about the line decreasing to zero. 1669 01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:57,600 Yeah. 1670 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,600 You're only concerned with your long-term nine? 1671 01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:01,600 Yeah. 1672 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:02,600 How many lines? 1673 01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:03,600 It was the Life for Flight Club. 1674 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:04,600 Yeah. 1675 01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:08,600 On a long enough time, time scale, all of our nines decreased to zero. 1676 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:09,600 Yeah. 1677 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:16,600 Maybe we could do a slightly more cryptic shirt and actually just have a meme of a guy 1678 01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:24,600 with a massive bag, or just take a picture of me, and then have Cosmos Validator dropping 1679 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:25,600 nines. 1680 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:30,400 It could mean that we're shit validators, or it could just mean that we're losing our 1681 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,600 lifespan because of validating. 1682 01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,600 We're dropping nines on our lifespan. 1683 01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,600 I would say it's a thin line. 1684 01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:37,600 It's a thin line. 1685 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,800 It's a thin line between two to all those things. 1686 01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:47,200 So on Validator stuff, we've kind of covered it a little bit with the Chihuahua and the 1687 01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,600 Jack or Shenanigans, which has really been lost in the last couple of days. 1688 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,000 Is there anything really noticeable the rest of this week? 1689 01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,000 I just feel like the load's coming. 1690 01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,600 Defund test nets like collecting GenTex in the next day? 1691 01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:57,600 Or two. 1692 01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:58,600 Right, so yeah. 1693 01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:59,600 Defund good project. 1694 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:00,600 Nice guys. 1695 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:01,600 Yeah. 1696 01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:02,600 Nice guys. 1697 01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:07,760 So we're going to do a nice test net for validators and users. 1698 01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:14,640 So expect there to be 3,000 validators smashing the shit out of a, what are they called those 1699 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:15,640 things for? 1700 01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:16,640 Falsit. 1701 01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:17,640 Falsit. 1702 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:18,640 Falsit. 1703 01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:19,640 Falsit. 1704 01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:24,600 Yeah, the Jack will launch, which was today-ish. 1705 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:25,600 Disgusting. 1706 01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:26,600 Or still ongoing. 1707 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:27,600 Yeah. 1708 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:28,600 Ongoing. 1709 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:33,600 I'm really interested in the etymology of Falsit because it's just not a word here. 1710 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:34,600 Tap. 1711 01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:35,600 It must be an old English word. 1712 01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:36,600 Tap. 1713 01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:37,600 Yeah, tap. 1714 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:38,600 Tap. 1715 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:39,600 Oh, really? 1716 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,600 I know what it is, but we just call it tap. 1717 01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:42,600 Oh, yeah. 1718 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,600 Well, it is Falsit from the day. 1719 01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:47,600 Is it? 1720 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,600 So that is the old and term. 1721 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:52,600 Yeah. 1722 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,600 I'm surprised that you guys haven't maintained it. 1723 01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,600 You seem to be into your old words. 1724 01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,600 Breathe them. 1725 01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,600 Yeah, it's kind of a business in that, isn't it? 1726 01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,600 It might be more of a Yankee origin. 1727 01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:05,600 The Falsit. 1728 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:06,600 Yeah, I think it's an American thing. 1729 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:07,600 Is it? 1730 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:08,600 It feels like an Americanism. 1731 01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,600 I'm looking up right now. 1732 01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:11,600 Yeah. 1733 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,600 Jack will launch has been delayed until tomorrow. 1734 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:16,600 Yeah. 1735 01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,600 The relaunch to be, to be out. 1736 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,600 We launched and things were running and now we want to relaunch. 1737 01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,600 Yeah. 1738 01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,600 I launched things were running. 1739 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,600 Now we need to relaunch with a new Genesis. 1740 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:29,600 Okay. 1741 01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,600 Hey, at least, at least, you know, before the IBC connections went up, 1742 01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:34,600 no harm, no foul. 1743 01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,600 That's my policy. 1744 01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,600 Yeah, it's, I mean, it's not a good look, but yeah. 1745 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:40,600 Yeah. 1746 01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:41,600 Yeah. 1747 01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:46,600 I mean, it's, but that's not like, you can still have transactions of value 1748 01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:47,600 before IBC. 1749 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:53,600 Like you might do OTC to someone and then have that reversed by a new. 1750 01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,600 It was pretty quick after launch. 1751 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,600 So, but yeah, I agree. 1752 01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:04,600 Oh, there's, there's been some, I noticed there was also some stuff on, 1753 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:10,600 on Juno's Commonwealth, which like there is a little element where, 1754 01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:16,600 especially it's like the, there's, there's an element where the, 1755 01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:21,600 I feel like Osmo in particular, and do you know the two places where, 1756 01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:26,600 other than maybe the hub, the spiciest Commonwealth or Gov props kind of 1757 01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,600 originate from those three chains. 1758 01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:33,600 So we are like, Juno is one of the biggest Commonwealth's. 1759 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,600 It doesn't surprise me. 1760 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:36,600 Yeah. 1761 01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:41,600 But the, the, the, the two ones that have come up in the last few days are 1762 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,600 the, the slash based on. 1763 01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:45,600 Slash voting power. 1764 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,600 Slash DP based on like votes. 1765 01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:54,600 And then the Nakamoto one, which I don't know if Rama's still in the chat, 1766 01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,600 but I think uses Rama's data, right? 1767 01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:58,600 It does. 1768 01:22:58,600 --> 01:22:59,600 Yeah. 1769 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:00,600 He made that spreadsheet. 1770 01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:01,600 Made that spreadsheet. 1771 01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:08,600 So very briefly, the Nakamoto one is a proposal to look into a mechanism that 1772 01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:13,600 would mean that validators, so it's stakers staking to validators, 1773 01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:19,600 lower down in the set would get a increased return on that stake. 1774 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:20,600 Yeah. 1775 01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:25,600 So like, so like, let's say the index starts at one and then progresses all the way 1776 01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,600 down to validator 150 where you would get 1.1. 1777 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,600 Is that, is that what that is? 1778 01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,600 Is that a return on staking? 1779 01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,600 Like it's a mint structure that's changing. 1780 01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,600 It changes the distribution of the mint. 1781 01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,600 Yeah. 1782 01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,600 Versus controlling versus. 1783 01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,600 So that's the opposite of trying to control the maximum amount of validator 1784 01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:46,600 stakes. 1785 01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:47,600 So you're, yeah. 1786 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:53,600 So basically like if you, you know, you will get more APR if you take a higher 1787 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:58,600 risk to go to lower validators, I guess. 1788 01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:05,600 No, no, not, not, not unexpectedly the top validators are not for it. 1789 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:10,600 I love, I love that the game of notes crews were still on the case of the 1790 01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,600 tap versus faucet structure. 1791 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:14,600 Wow. 1792 01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,600 So basically in the chat for those listening on the podcast, 1793 01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,600 So his studio has said tap is older than faucet. 1794 01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:24,600 Faucet is French from 1400s and tap is German from the 10 hundreds. 1795 01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:25,600 There you go. 1796 01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,600 So what? 1797 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:28,600 Bullshit. 1798 01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:29,600 That's bullshit though. 1799 01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,600 They didn't have a tap in the 10 hundreds. 1800 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:32,600 Nope. 1801 01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:33,600 There's no running water to the 10 hundreds. 1802 01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:34,600 What are you talking about? 1803 01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:35,600 That's just a stream. 1804 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:39,600 What do you think water buses, people have had wooden taps like it. 1805 01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,600 And since when? 1806 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,600 They had to put them in the kegs. 1807 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,600 If you never tap the tap to nail barrel, like it's you, you put in the 1808 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,600 bung and then you have a pressure. 1809 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:50,600 All right. 1810 01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:51,600 All right. 1811 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:52,600 That's the pressure valve. 1812 01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,600 Different use of it versus like running water that's coming from a stream or 1813 01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:55,600 something else. 1814 01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:56,600 I'm opening a tap. 1815 01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:57,600 Corrections. 1816 01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,600 Soy two says that it was his spreadsheet, not Rama's. 1817 01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:01,600 There you go. 1818 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:02,600 There you go. 1819 01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:03,600 All the OG is in the chat. 1820 01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,600 This is the thing like that's beer. 1821 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,600 The real balance of power in the cosmos. 1822 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:13,600 It's hard as shit posting is, I mean, this kind of seems like we should just 1823 01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:18,600 put soy two and Rama in a cage fight. 1824 01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:19,600 It's random. 1825 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,600 It's the only way to sort that out. 1826 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:27,600 Getting points from the pressure measures, getting coins from the tap would sound weird. 1827 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,600 There was like a weird function in the Ruby programming language called tap as well, which 1828 01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:32,600 used to confuse me. 1829 01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:34,600 I think it was basically like an applicative functor. 1830 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,600 Was it like a math? 1831 01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:42,600 Somebody would better CS theory will correct me on this, but it was like, from memory, 1832 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,600 it was like, you know, when you do a map over a set of things, let's say you have an array, 1833 01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,600 and you do a map and you do one thing to each thing in the array. 1834 01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:56,600 It was like that, but you could also inject essentially like a kind of additional context 1835 01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,600 to the thing that you were then operating on. 1836 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:03,600 That's called tap, which I think is basically the definition of an applicative functor, 1837 01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:09,600 but it's late and I would need to double check my category theory on that one. 1838 01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,600 But yeah, that's the only other factor on taps. 1839 01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:16,600 That is that there was a quite non-standard function that did something vaguely useful 1840 01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,600 in the Ruby standard library. 1841 01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:20,600 Wow. 1842 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,600 Are you going to go through this? 1843 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,600 Holy shit, this is a long proposal. 1844 01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,600 The slashing of the voting power, the gist of it. 1845 01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,600 Yeah, so the Nakamoto coefficient one to end on that one. 1846 01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:38,600 I think originally the discussion around this had been to put in a anti-handler. 1847 01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:42,600 So if somebody was already over 5%, it would just not let you state to them, 1848 01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:47,600 which I think is a relatively elegant solution is just go, okay, no, you can't state to that value. 1849 01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:51,600 They've got too much voting power already. 1850 01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,600 But yeah, so anyway, the discussion's moved on. 1851 01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:55,600 This is now it's up. 1852 01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,600 So I don't know. 1853 01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,600 Let us know what you think of that in the chat. 1854 01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,600 I don't think there's much to say about it because it is relatively straightforward, 1855 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,600 but I think it's an interesting question. 1856 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:12,600 I think the interesting thing is that top validators think that they're getting punished. 1857 01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,600 It's just to, it's not punishing anyone. 1858 01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,600 It's trying to bloody distribute the stake. 1859 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:20,600 You're going to feel punished, but that's not the point of it. 1860 01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,600 The point is to distribute the stake more evenly. 1861 01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,600 Yeah, I think the point is you can't. 1862 01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,600 The reason I like the anti-handler solution is you should just stop accruing additional 1863 01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:34,600 stake to the people at the top immediately and just basically mean that those transactions 1864 01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,600 get dropped from the mempool. 1865 01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,600 That's what they don't even hit the mempool. 1866 01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,600 They get filtered by the anti-handler. 1867 01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:47,600 That's, I can still, but it's controversial obviously because there's lots of people. 1868 01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:51,600 Hey, can we filter transactions by an address? 1869 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:52,600 In the anti-handler? 1870 01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:53,600 Yes. 1871 01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:54,600 Yeah. 1872 01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:55,600 Fuck yeah. 1873 01:27:55,600 --> 01:28:00,600 Well, hang on, we can just do that in uni, can't we? 1874 01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:01,600 Yeah. 1875 01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,600 What is a comfortable Nakamoto-ko number? 1876 01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:06,600 Is that eight? 1877 01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:07,600 Is it 10? 1878 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:08,600 One. 1879 01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,600 It's each classic seven, isn't it really? 1880 01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:13,600 Seven or eight, right? 1881 01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:14,600 That means that's 4%. 1882 01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,600 That should be, so basically that's- 1883 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,600 Seven was decidedly average, wasn't it? 1884 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,600 I literally just said seven, I don't know what you're talking about. 1885 01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:29,600 How many validators, how many valid, what's the Nakamoto coefficient for- 1886 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,600 Which is how many validators make up- 1887 01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,600 How many validators should make up 33%, 33 and a third? 1888 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:35,600 Like that should be- 1889 01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,600 It should be 33, shouldn't it? 1890 01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,600 Well, that's everybody at 1%, which I think is pretty unrealistic. 1891 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,600 But is actually how decentralization would look? 1892 01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:45,600 Is it though? 1893 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:46,600 That's- 1894 01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:47,600 Yes. 1895 01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:48,600 Is decentralization everybody at one? 1896 01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:49,600 I don't think that's right though. 1897 01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,600 It's even an even valet set, yes. 1898 01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,600 But that doesn't necessarily- 1899 01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:02,600 Yeah, but that doesn't really properly give incentives and everything else that would be out there, right? 1900 01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:03,600 Like that doesn't- 1901 01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,600 Well, I mean, it's like what- 1902 01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,600 So ideally, right, you would want it to be- 1903 01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,600 You could have it be above one, but you would- 1904 01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,600 It's kind of back to the T-grade stuff we were talking about back in the day, 1905 01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,600 where you want to put a curve on it so that you can go above one, 1906 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:20,600 but it's a diminishing return on additional stake above one, 1907 01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,600 so that validators are not going to get hugely out of whack 1908 01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:28,600 as long as voting power is related to that. 1909 01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,600 But then you just have to make sure that 1% is economically viable, right? 1910 01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:33,600 That's the problem. 1911 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,600 And that's the problem at the moment, which is why people want more than that. 1912 01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,600 So I'm looking at changes that have been around longer. 1913 01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:39,600 So Solana- 1914 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:43,600 I always go back to Solana Beach because it's a good understanding of 1915 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,600 like changes have been slightly longer, 1916 01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,600 there's a little bit more TBL and everything else. 1917 01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,600 So they're not going to vote as 30. 1918 01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:54,600 Their highest validator has 2.67, which is Coinbase, 1919 01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,600 which, you know, Coinbase is going to Coinbase. 1920 01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:14,600 And then the lowest on that.