1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Gough 2 00:00:18,620 --> 00:00:20,320 Is that it? Are we live? That was awesome 3 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,880 Professional that intro was 4 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,880 So 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:35,960 Hello everybody welcome to game of nodes this is weekly podcast by cosmos validators about the cosmos 6 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,700 opinions are fully our own good and bad and 7 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,840 Who have we got here? 8 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:51,820 Well, so I'm the Frey some people will know me as founder of decentralized name service on Gino and I'm joined by 9 00:00:51,820 --> 00:00:57,360 Sorry, I have a bit of a bad throat because as some people will also know I've had COVID this last week 10 00:00:57,660 --> 00:01:03,000 But I'm joined by four of in my opinion the finest validators in the cosmos 11 00:01:04,060 --> 00:01:06,900 Jabby null names you set up right now and 12 00:01:07,980 --> 00:01:11,060 Shultz see also known as being behind lavender five 13 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:16,820 Fellas would you like to introduce yourselves? I'll go in the order you are on my screen jabby 14 00:01:17,900 --> 00:01:19,900 Hey, I'm Joe 15 00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:22,380 I run a bunch of validators and 16 00:01:24,020 --> 00:01:26,020 You may have noticed my tweets on 17 00:01:27,060 --> 00:01:29,060 certain cosmos topics 18 00:01:30,220 --> 00:01:32,220 Any particular 19 00:01:33,020 --> 00:01:35,020 Particularly vocal on jabby 20 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:45,340 No idea maybe we'll come back around to that one, huh? 21 00:01:45,340 --> 00:01:48,660 Yeah, all right cool no 22 00:01:49,580 --> 00:01:54,980 So I am null names and for the purpose of this show I've shortened it to null to just make it easier and 23 00:01:56,060 --> 00:01:58,060 we are the 24 00:01:58,500 --> 00:02:00,500 representative here for a king nodes and 25 00:02:01,180 --> 00:02:03,500 quite active around the whole of the 26 00:02:04,180 --> 00:02:07,500 cosmos ecosystem that we're involved with not everything and 27 00:02:08,980 --> 00:02:12,860 Just here to have a good old chat to some of our other great validators and 28 00:02:12,860 --> 00:02:14,860 See 29 00:02:14,980 --> 00:02:16,980 See what we can come up with for a show 30 00:02:18,780 --> 00:02:21,540 Cool, okay, awesome you serve her 31 00:02:22,140 --> 00:02:26,220 Everybody my name is I guess the server for this. I'm one half of the rhino team 32 00:02:26,860 --> 00:02:33,020 Someone to these guys have been involved in cosmos for a few years and and want to share some experiences and just thoughts on 33 00:02:33,700 --> 00:02:38,460 You know being a validator in this in this ecosystem what that means interaction with the community 34 00:02:38,460 --> 00:02:44,100 I think is really important governance is a big topic and just discussion around that and you know 35 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:47,940 Drink some bourbon like those types of things. That's kind of what's going on here 36 00:02:48,580 --> 00:02:51,700 It's a pretty sound idea about and finally 37 00:02:52,220 --> 00:02:55,020 Short see down the corner the most handsome man on the stream. Oh 38 00:02:56,020 --> 00:02:57,260 Thank you 39 00:02:57,260 --> 00:03:03,780 Yeah, so I'm short see from lavender five nodes. I guess my focus is making the cosmos a more 40 00:03:04,380 --> 00:03:06,380 holistically wholesome place 41 00:03:06,380 --> 00:03:09,660 He's handsome and he's what is that? 42 00:03:11,540 --> 00:03:13,540 You like an asshole now 43 00:03:16,060 --> 00:03:24,020 We're just here like we're validators. We're here. Yeah, exactly right. Well, wow and shortly just like just want to make 44 00:03:24,020 --> 00:03:26,020 Just want to make a difference 45 00:03:26,380 --> 00:03:31,580 The world is gonna be a better place now. That's right. Every every child you reach, you know 46 00:03:31,580 --> 00:03:37,140 That's the real got maybe maybe the real maybe real cosmos was the friends who made it in that I need to stop making that joke 47 00:03:38,540 --> 00:03:40,620 Okay, should we should we jump into our first question? 48 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:47,580 Yeah, man, let's go. Yeah, okay, so we're gonna probably make this a regular thing. We've got 49 00:03:48,220 --> 00:03:50,220 Dumbest thing we've seen in crypto this week 50 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:56,140 Anybody want to go first I can't think of anything really, right? 51 00:03:56,140 --> 00:04:00,140 I don't want to go 52 00:04:00,940 --> 00:04:04,260 Topics here. I don't really know. I mean, I'll I'll go I'll go first 53 00:04:04,900 --> 00:04:08,180 I managed to bring down our Kerberus validator 54 00:04:09,420 --> 00:04:14,100 Because I did a sim link wrong when initializing the node 55 00:04:16,420 --> 00:04:22,260 Because I was full of COVID when I did it and somehow it eluded me so that was fun load of page duty 56 00:04:22,260 --> 00:04:27,140 Which I was like that doesn't seem like a thing that would ever happen on a one terabyte disk 57 00:04:27,380 --> 00:04:30,980 But it would feel like I think you are the first person to mess up a sim link 58 00:04:33,180 --> 00:04:36,460 Maybe guilty of that myself is that spoken from experience 59 00:04:37,460 --> 00:04:43,060 Free in the long list of dumbest things and cryptos this week that is not even in the top 10 hundred like 10,000 60 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:45,740 nice 61 00:04:46,980 --> 00:04:48,980 I mean so to 62 00:04:48,980 --> 00:04:56,020 To maybe take it to something that's a bit harmlessly because there have been some things that have been controversial in the last week 63 00:04:57,260 --> 00:05:01,900 Something maybe less controversial and more harmless. There's obviously stargaze have their genesis meant 64 00:05:03,140 --> 00:05:05,580 Anybody here get a get involved in that 65 00:05:06,460 --> 00:05:13,740 Business that the kids have been talking so much about. Oh man. Yeah, I've got an enormous bag of NFTs 66 00:05:13,740 --> 00:05:20,540 How many we talking what's what's what's that's probably an exaggeration 67 00:05:20,540 --> 00:05:25,340 I think I probably ended up minting. I don't know 10 to 15. I guess 68 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:28,860 Because I don't know why I just 69 00:05:28,860 --> 00:05:40,980 I was like where's the 70 00:05:40,980 --> 00:05:50,220 I was about to ask whether whether he'd minted them all from one account or from multiple accounts to get around the cap on on 71 00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:55,700 Stargaze punks, but that also might be a controversial topic. It's a good question 72 00:05:55,700 --> 00:06:02,380 Anybody else anybody else been minting NFTs, you know, I didn't mint on stargaze, but I meant on secret 73 00:06:02,540 --> 00:06:04,980 the chameleonville meant finally happened and 74 00:06:05,540 --> 00:06:08,700 They had I don't know like 10 one out of one unique 75 00:06:09,540 --> 00:06:16,420 Chameleons and I happen to get the chameleon Squidward. I was my first man. It's all like, ah, well, I guess I came out on top here 76 00:06:16,420 --> 00:06:18,420 It's like a mix between like 77 00:06:18,460 --> 00:06:21,900 Ringo Ringo that one movie animated film and 78 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:26,820 And Squidward from SpongeBob and some like I came out on top I won done minutes over 79 00:06:27,340 --> 00:06:33,900 nice, I managed to land one of the Juno t-shirt stargaze punks completely by accident 80 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:37,900 I didn't notice it on time and I went back and was like, oh, I've gone sweet 81 00:06:38,620 --> 00:06:45,420 Although doesn't you know, obviously bear any resemblance to me, but that's fine. It's got it's got it apart from the t-shirt 82 00:06:45,420 --> 00:06:47,420 It's got t-shirt 83 00:06:47,420 --> 00:06:51,180 And now I'll just send a message saying I was bloated 84 00:06:53,660 --> 00:06:55,660 Whatever whatever that means 85 00:06:56,220 --> 00:07:02,020 I was able to get a Juno not before those went there's only 500 and they seemed to go like within 86 00:07:02,660 --> 00:07:06,860 30 seconds, so that was actually pretty lucky and then I grabbed a bunch of bad kids. I 87 00:07:07,460 --> 00:07:12,340 Just I don't know and sometimes NFTs can somewhat look very similar 88 00:07:12,340 --> 00:07:18,460 And I get like the rarity aspect of things everything else, but it just that kids was such a unique kind of approach to that they 89 00:07:18,580 --> 00:07:21,340 Kind of I don't know just kind of drawn to it a little bit 90 00:07:21,580 --> 00:07:22,380 There he is 91 00:07:22,380 --> 00:07:26,860 So I picked up a bunch of those and then ended up picking up a Genesis rat and a stargaze trooper 92 00:07:26,860 --> 00:07:30,140 And then I ran out of liquid stars and then I realized how much and I did the math 93 00:07:32,980 --> 00:07:34,980 After the fact when I ran out 94 00:07:34,980 --> 00:07:41,620 But yeah, no, I think I think I meant to 12 or 14 or something. It was actually it was a little clickathon actually 95 00:07:42,380 --> 00:07:49,260 Yeah, well, I meant to the cup of glitch candy is we should obviously not you're awesome. I mean, they're awesome, but 96 00:07:50,780 --> 00:07:53,140 Again afterward I kind of did the math and I was like 97 00:07:57,460 --> 00:08:02,500 I'm looking forward to explaining that to my accountant when I have to put out on the spreadsheet I 98 00:08:02,500 --> 00:08:09,740 I have also had in Australia with a business for tax at the end of the financial year you have to 99 00:08:10,260 --> 00:08:15,260 Take account of everything that you've got and then pay tax on the appreciation and 100 00:08:16,420 --> 00:08:18,420 Are we like cars? 101 00:08:19,060 --> 00:08:21,980 Yeah, I don't know how I'm gonna value these NFTs. I'm just 102 00:08:22,860 --> 00:08:25,540 What are you just going like the value you bought them for it? I 103 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:28,500 mean 104 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:34,780 How to how do I mean this is this is a dumb question under I'm not really an NFT guy like but how to 105 00:08:35,780 --> 00:08:42,620 Marketplaces work today. You give you like a rough valuation or is it all sealed bids or I think like so 106 00:08:42,620 --> 00:08:45,300 I guess as a valuation, I guess you just go off 107 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:51,900 Your rarity and like the last sale price at one sort of around that rarity, I guess 108 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:58,660 I feel like kind of a dubious way to have to pay taxes is like I I've seen something similar to this thing that I have 109 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:04,420 Therefore, I would definitely like to pay more tax, please. Right. I mean, isn't that how it normally works? 110 00:09:04,420 --> 00:09:07,340 That may have connectivity issues or is that the fray? 111 00:09:08,420 --> 00:09:10,420 you 112 00:09:10,460 --> 00:09:13,940 But you can hear me. Yeah, we can all hear you. Yeah, I 113 00:09:14,580 --> 00:09:16,580 Kind of 114 00:09:16,580 --> 00:09:22,300 It's almost like you're in an island in the middle of this might be psychological rather 115 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:29,580 It's just what happens when you're in Australia and but yeah, okay, so 116 00:09:31,460 --> 00:09:36,340 So obviously yeah on from on from NFTs I think 117 00:09:37,980 --> 00:09:45,300 Well, just before you got that freight, I thought that that experience was awesome. I thought Stargaze and that team like the 118 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:52,700 Responsiveness of it the availability like no issues like it was just it was a really nice meant same thing with what happened with 119 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:54,700 Without me flex as well. I think it's 120 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:59,940 To both those teams those those are really nice to be able to have like no issues and people just you know suck 121 00:09:59,940 --> 00:10:02,280 They just just buying those things like crazy, right? 122 00:10:02,900 --> 00:10:09,300 Yeah, so you have some involvement in the infrastructure side of that or did I imagine I'm helping with the RPC and the API side 123 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:14,500 so they set up but like 90% of it and I added some nodes and kind of helped with some of the 124 00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:22,420 Just a little bit name in the balancing just just a little bit a little tweaking here and there but I think I think just 125 00:10:22,420 --> 00:10:27,180 The dashboard I have here like in the last since mint, which was the first bit was Friday 126 00:10:27,180 --> 00:10:31,060 It's been like 50 million 55 million RPC API calls 127 00:10:32,140 --> 00:10:37,480 Which is which is like impressive and I think on that Friday night when it went it was 128 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:44,580 2300 a second and then the Saturday night one which was a second one which is which I kind of missed out on that was the one with like the 129 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:50,720 the audio components and those types of things because I didn't have any stars left over because you know I 130 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:53,160 Spend all on Friday night 131 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,560 That one that one was like a little bit over 3000 are like API calls a second 132 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:04,760 So but again, I no complaints. I heard everybody had really good feedback on it. I thought it was I thought it was great 133 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:09,240 So it was happy being involved that it was really cool. So just 134 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,800 What's those those API calls was that just for your? 135 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,040 Infrastructure is that as a whole to the that's no that's just that says a hole 136 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,440 So that comes in that not the nerd out 137 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,520 But but that's the point of this right so it comes into cloudflare and it does like a 138 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:30,440 Global distribution based off of geo and then it has we right now we have three but eventually be four separate 139 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,040 like geo located 140 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:41,280 Structures where there's nodes. So for mint we had 18 nodes sitting behind that that was low balancing across the globe 141 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:50,640 Those calls this is actually so that was so you had 18 and then 142 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:59,840 Stargaze they also had like quite a few. No, I only had I only had a few they had they had I think 15 or 14 going I added 143 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:05,040 Okay, you know and then yeah, I had some some really high powered boxes to it and everything else 144 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,240 So we're we're kind of trying removing some stuff doesn't matter 145 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:15,560 but we're moving some stuff from more VPS to more bare metal and and trying to bring the cost down because it like 18 nodes as you guys know and 146 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,600 Cloud systems is not cheap 147 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:23,880 so I'm trying to try to get that down and then the next piece is trying to get the community involved and bring other validators and to 148 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:30,200 Distribute that a little bit find ways to not make it where it's just all foundation run type stuff. So that I think it's pretty cool 149 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,400 That's that's actually deeply impressing impressive that you did in 18 nodes 150 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:41,120 On secret they've used you know like 12 at a time and secret has started to slow down 151 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,240 So the fact that Stargaze was able to be as performative as it was with 18 is 152 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,040 astounding yeah 153 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:53,640 Yeah, I know Jorge's been working on that absolutely. Yeah for a long time. So it's awesome 154 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:59,100 I suspect that potentially my RPC is behind that load balancer as well, but I'm not a hundred percent sure I 155 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,960 Don't know actually I have IPs, but I don't know if your name's on there or not. I have no idea but 156 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,280 I'm not sure if I checked if it had any traffic or not 157 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,160 Yeah, I mean real funny thing I'm sorry guys 158 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,140 It's just growing in popularity right so before that meant it was two three hits a second and then it went to the 159 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,680 3000 right so you don't really know where it's gonna go 160 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:23,600 And so you just kind of throwing stuff at it see well 161 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,160 We want to make sure it's successful right and then now it's kind of balancing out like 75 to 80 162 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:34,360 Sort of like 25 times the traffic postman versus pre-met, which is really interesting since 163 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,760 You know as people checking I guess and maybe kind of seeing what they have and 164 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,160 I'm looking at everything else well, it's all the 165 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,920 So now you can 166 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,980 Claim the rest of your a drop so there'll be a lot of people coming in and with a bit of lag 167 00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:55,240 I mean that as well. I suppose yeah on the 20th. I think is a second pick up on yeah 168 00:13:55,320 --> 00:14:01,860 320 for the for the mint and then and then when the marketplace opens, you know for buying and selling that'll that'll also 169 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,360 So we're trying to get some stuff ready for that 170 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:09,480 But but again, not all this but I saw it that like it was such a nice. It was a nice launch, right? 171 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,480 I think that team's done a great job across the board 172 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:17,840 Well, this is this is the point of the show man to talk about this type of stuff. So yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah, it was cool 173 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,120 So there's also of course 174 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,760 Omni flicks and did they did they open their marketplace yet? I 175 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,040 Don't believe so. I don't think they've really progressed it all right now. Have they 176 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,120 I didn't think they've done the mint the Genesis mince yet 177 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,360 But I did see they had an update this thing was this morning or overnight 178 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,760 I didn't get there fully read it 179 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:48,040 But I mean that that network's on the way as well and we're also sitting there ready for it to get on the way as well 180 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:53,440 Yeah, they're pretty similar and same type of approach right like validators on get the network stable 181 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,800 No massive free, you know auto compounding 182 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:04,240 And whatever right just well, yeah, and all that kind of stuff and then kind of take a stepwise approach at that 183 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,360 I both you know Shayna team and sis love done very similar 184 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:16,360 Very similar very similar strategy. Yeah to be honest like I think that's the strategy that 185 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,160 Stargaze used for their launch was near perfect. Yeah with 186 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:27,720 Avoiding that big compounding at the start. Yeah, I think he and also keeping 187 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:34,560 Basically zero liquid tokens before you do your LBP is also fantastic. What that is managed it so well 188 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:41,720 And then yeah, all of the air drops have been flawless on Stargaze and I hope it's the same with omniplex as well 189 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,800 Can't wait. Well, they I mean they're very they're very similar approaches, right? 190 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,360 like that yeah, absolutely those kind of build infrastructure to like what they've done with 191 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:55,440 With with claim sites and state sites everything else like like it's a great project. So it's exciting 192 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:01,960 I mean really interesting from like a technical perspective that they're I guess both betting on the 193 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,880 Launch early laundry cause and was and 194 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:12,000 build your product in cause and was and more in smart contracts on top of that core platform 195 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:13,960 and 196 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:20,760 Move forward from there rather than necessarily sort of working within the framework of the SDK as much as you know 197 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,760 I think previous projects have done 198 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,960 Which is definitely a new paradigm. I mean, I mean we've benefited from it with the name service stuff 199 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,400 Like I don't want to 200 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,440 Slag off any other projects 201 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:41,880 Exactly other than to say like the speed of development to get something to market on Juno compared to chains that 202 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,840 focus on doing one thing using native SDK 203 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,120 Modules is really quite noticeable. I think 204 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:56,720 You know thinking of like things I've seen that are coming along on Juno versus maybe what's happening on Desmos versus 205 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:02,240 Maybe what's happening on like star name or something like that and it feels like the speed of development just in Juno 206 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,040 On its own is like really really quick 207 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:12,800 But I think but there's this sort of like that was the intention of the cosmos SDK right though 208 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:19,720 So every chain has a purpose and then Juno's purpose is rapid development and smart contracts 209 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,360 So it's permissionless and you can do whatever the hell you want there like on 210 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Ethereum but the other the other 211 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:34,600 Networks they might have sort of slower cadence, but they're sort of working working on something specific 212 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,360 If that makes any 213 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:46,840 What I mean is that if you know if if Desmos was launching today if or like starting to work on their project or if 214 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,880 Star name was starting to work on their project now 215 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,080 Would they build it with the SDK or would they do it with Cosmos? I 216 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,080 I 217 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:59,680 Wouldn't be too surprised if more you're gonna see more projects 218 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:08,200 Building with Cosmos and doing a stage launch like we've seen for OmniFlix and and Stargaze 219 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,720 because that seems like a pretty de-risked way of 220 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,720 Building a building a chain building a community 221 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:22,440 As long as people believe in the product and your roadmap and like where you say you're going and you're transparent like those teams have been 222 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:28,400 Seems like a pretty solid way of actually bootstrapping something of utility, you know 223 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,080 Yeah 224 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,080 Yeah, great. Just 225 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,840 Just just my thought on that I guess but yeah 226 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:38,600 So 227 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:44,520 The other thing this week. I think a lot of us have been participating in is the Cerberus Kerberus Cerberus 228 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:47,360 Yeah, how do you say that? 229 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:54,040 I think technically if we're talking to Greek then it'd be Kerberus, right? Yeah 230 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,080 Latin is hard K, isn't it? 231 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,200 See is hard K because Caesar Kaiser Kaiser King saw 232 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:19,920 Sure, sure, sure, what's that Kerberus is Greek, right? I think might be grandfathered in but I thought it was the Roman Guardian of underworld 233 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,880 three-headed dog 234 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,640 No, I 235 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,120 Thought it was the Greek guardian of the underworld. I could be wrong 236 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:31,600 We were all connected 237 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:43,840 You know as a matter of fact in Greek mythology Kerberus is often referred to as the hound of Hades a multi-headed dog 238 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,040 That guards the gates of the underworld to prevent the dead from leaving 239 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,000 Okay, so what what is the Greek? What is the accepted ancient Greek pronunciation for a C? 240 00:19:52,000 --> 00:20:00,120 It's got a K when it's got the anunciation it does have Kerberus. I 241 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,600 Don't know who's in I don't know. I don't know what Nick's point is 242 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000 I don't know if that's I mean 243 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:15,280 No names has a refrigerator of beer literally in the room that he's in so I assume that's what he's talking about because that would be 244 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:22,440 It's beer in there. I of course there's beer in there like 245 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:31,160 There's definitely some people in like I mean jabby to be fair doesn't have a papa in in shots anymore 246 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,960 But that obviously is a strong incentive that is for 247 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,560 For people to check that out that discovery towels nice though. I don't want to take it away for a 248 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,420 It's it's not a towel. It's a cycling jersey. No, I never mind that I thought it's a 249 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,600 It's a land comes out Armstrong vintage era 250 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:55,200 Scandal scandal Jersey nice so to performance enhancing Jersey. It's a performance enhancing Jersey 251 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,440 I actually have both of the Armstrong scandal Jersey who got 252 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:06,960 You know just also American obviously, you know discovery and US postal service. Oh, look at that. Look at that Wow 253 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:15,760 So voted by cycling weekly as the most tasteless Jersey you can wear the biggest faux pas on a group ride 254 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:22,020 I would yeah, it was pretty funny. It's actually a really great Jersey as well 255 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:30,000 It's really well, very nice and and also shows that you know, you're a big fan of winners 256 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,400 Regardless of whether or not 257 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,600 Whatever you have to do to win 258 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,880 Maybe it was okay. I think we've seen a bit of that lately 259 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:47,760 I think so, yeah, so the Royal Mail trucks like try to do they cut you off everything when you're rolling that when you're wearing that USPS 260 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,080 You know 261 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:58,280 Although there's a there was obviously plenty of performance enhancing drugs in there in the British cycling wasn't there. Oh Papa 262 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,720 Sorry 263 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,720 Winston right 264 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,160 He wants that 265 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,560 It's like he's like 266 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:18,200 Maybe just to get back on top well how many so my question is how many meme chains can cause not to stain like realistically 267 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:27,920 No, no, it's anything plus seahorse until seahorse happens. We don't have enough 268 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:34,120 Is it just change or do we are we also include including like CW 20 Juno? 269 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,200 No, I don't 270 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:46,800 Know see that we 20s don't count. Yeah, I mean just look to a binance smart chain and you'll find your number 271 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,320 Baby doge sheba emu 272 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:57,360 It's just so at least there's a little bit of effort required for a 273 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,880 A native but like, you know, anyone watching this 274 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,160 I guess as a warning just with all the CW 20s that are gonna be coming out 275 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:13,960 And all the shit coin frenzy, please be careful with your your rugs 276 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:20,020 There's gonna be a lot of rugs. It's just go look at BSC. This will be the same commission less 277 00:23:20,020 --> 00:23:23,820 anyone can launch a coin anyone can add a little bit of liquidity 278 00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:27,300 Pump it on on Twitter and then just rug you 279 00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:31,140 For anyone watching 280 00:23:36,140 --> 00:23:39,980 So to clarify wasn't the first rug like two days ago for Juno 281 00:23:40,540 --> 00:23:42,540 Yeah, please 282 00:23:42,540 --> 00:23:46,700 Check token or something like that not check all of that like the company right? 283 00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:49,780 Right, right, right? 284 00:23:51,740 --> 00:23:53,740 They rebranded after the rug 285 00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:04,700 So it was check it you see this checked already their ticker and then they rebranded a primo, right? 286 00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:10,900 It's I mean that entire situation I don't know if you like how closely you followed it, but it it 287 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:17,420 Was pretty sus from beginning to end. I mean I know I obviously you know it's bad for the people that got rugged and stuff 288 00:24:17,420 --> 00:24:20,060 But like it it did seem really sus 289 00:24:20,580 --> 00:24:24,740 Like even on the usual scale of like obvious kind of shit coin 290 00:24:25,180 --> 00:24:30,740 But like the question is like what I mean, it's that it's that thing of we're still so early on this that people are gonna have to get 291 00:24:31,140 --> 00:24:35,220 More sophisticated than that which was like baby's first rug pull 292 00:24:35,220 --> 00:24:37,220 That's awesome 293 00:24:38,820 --> 00:24:40,820 I 294 00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:47,300 You suggest people are gonna have to get more sophisticated on their rug pulls 295 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:55,500 If I was gonna execute a rug pull I think it just got a bit more difficult right because 296 00:24:56,860 --> 00:25:01,380 Was like the lowest possible effort rug pull that you could pull in this ecosystem now 297 00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:06,940 Now now people be slightly smart. Okay, maybe people will be slight maybe people be a slight 298 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:09,700 Fire we're going to fraud you 299 00:25:12,580 --> 00:25:16,540 Steal your money I would do it better than just stealing it. Is that what you say? 300 00:25:17,060 --> 00:25:24,380 What's a hilarious a small amount to like like ten thousand dollars worth like if you're gonna rug at least go deep, right? 301 00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:29,000 You get a rug at least for a million dollars or 302 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000 All the court early. Yeah 303 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,320 The rug really tied the Juno together 304 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:43,960 Well, you did you did sort of analyze it as my first rug pull so maybe they've got you know, it's like a test round 305 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,400 Yeah, I said babies first rug pull 306 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,940 Wasn't a small amount according according to our viewers in the chat it was 307 00:25:55,940 --> 00:25:59,780 1200 Juno or viewer in the chat 308 00:26:01,980 --> 00:26:04,660 We're judging by the comments, it's a couple of viewers at least 309 00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:15,100 Which which all of you if you had read if you had read the documentation from the streaming service that we're using that I sent you all over this 310 00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:22,060 After me if you read the manual, of course, you know that you can deploy the comment thing yourself and have a look at the comments 311 00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:25,620 It's awesome. All I saw was just a link. Oh, I 312 00:26:29,020 --> 00:26:34,100 Anybody's wondering what what validators look like when we're talking to each other behind the scenes. It's just this 313 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:39,420 If you can do the x thing for to be honest 314 00:26:39,420 --> 00:26:45,780 It is probably a good thing to have those comments there so that we yeah, I mean that makes sense. It's all it makes sense 315 00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:50,440 Awesome, thanks. Back to that point. I this this year 316 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:56,420 We're gonna how many chains are gonna launch how many CW twins are a launch and how many promised airdrops like 317 00:26:57,340 --> 00:27:00,620 Every every one obviously is gonna dilute and here we're in the middle of March 318 00:27:00,940 --> 00:27:04,060 By the end of this year is any of this gonna make any difference, right? 319 00:27:04,060 --> 00:27:09,540 And how how are those things really gonna set like separate themselves to have value or not have value or whatever? 320 00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:14,520 It's got to come back to utility at some point right or so act of bias. Does it ever need to come back to utility? 321 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,720 but so a native can they can do other things like they 322 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:26,080 Basically at the moment all you can do at the moment on the CW 20 is have a CW 20 and then sure potentially rub 323 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:32,640 someone but on a you know with a native you have like say take for example 324 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,600 Chihuahua, I mean they're 325 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:41,240 They're actually doing some development there. They are believe the intention is to have wasm 326 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,440 and 327 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,200 I guess NFTs and other stuff so I mean most other other chains do that 328 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,680 I mean there may be some benefit in having that on a meme chain as well 329 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,080 You can't do that with the CW 20 you just stuck with your coin and and 330 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,240 You know this note so also with staking and staking rewards that I don't think 331 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:09,160 You can really do that at the moment with the CW 20 you can do some stuff with derived tokens and staking. Yeah 332 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,600 Yeah, okay, but it's 333 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,760 It in the sense of like do you get it for free? Is it just built into the protocol? 334 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,520 No, and it's and some of all complicated, but then the flip side that is you can more easily 335 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,520 I guess define your own behavior for that 336 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,920 But then you can also do that like in a much more sophisticated way 337 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,760 I mean, so this is like the interesting thing that's gonna happen with 338 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,440 I mean, I don't know when they're ever actually gonna sell it to a bank or whatever 339 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:47,000 But like the whole t-grade thing I think is interesting that reason because they're basically rebuilding all of the 340 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:56,640 Native staking functionality all of the native governance functionality as smart contracts which are 341 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,880 You know upgradeable for starters 342 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:05,680 But also have like very interesting custom behavior and properties that you wouldn't necessarily be able to pull off in the same 343 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,120 Way with the SDK or would be very difficult to develop 344 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,040 So I guess potentially 345 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,560 Also, there's problem there could be like a 346 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,640 Factor of safety with the shit coin is a native as well 347 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,120 Because you know, there's resources and reputations on the line 348 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:32,800 So if you take for example, you say you can't just rug a you can't rug a shit chain because there's got to be a validator set 349 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,440 Yeah, it's like a bit, you know, it's a bit more difficult like you put time and effort and 350 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,520 You're levering the trust leveraging the trust of validators. Okay, so 351 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,920 Yeah, I mean because all of us I know we did a lot of due diligence before 352 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,640 They sent us over a big prospectus to make more of their 10 year goals 353 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:02,400 That's right. Yeah, and so I shouldn't I shouldn't say shit 354 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,440 I know it's it's not nice to the envelopes. I should say mean coin because that's what they are. They mean coins 355 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,640 There's a difference you're still off jabbing if you're trying to say something 356 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:24,760 So, it's not a shit chain is the new term and oh, yeah, yeah, I think you were just talking over me because you're 357 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,080 We mean no offense it's 358 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,960 I mean it's a normal man you're a not straight expression 359 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,280 It's not straight in expression. It's meant as a term of endearment 360 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:49,920 It's just a very different culture is a totally a very different place, you know some ways five ten years behind the rest of the world 361 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:56,880 Saying saying someone is the proprietor of a shit chain is probably highly respectable over here. Yeah 362 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,520 Yeah, he called me a C word over the phone a while ago and I took it to heart. I thought that was a really nice compliment 363 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,640 Actually, yeah, it's just a welcome 364 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,440 Hey, I mean you're a contributor. I mean sorry 365 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,400 You're a community contributor 366 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,600 You're a real country music fan 367 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:31,600 Did you know that the you know in the UK we have cockney rhyming slang right the cockney rhyming slang for that is barcha hunt. Oh 368 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,720 You don't say you don't say 369 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,120 There you go. Can you translate anything just on the fly? 370 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,480 Pretty much so but there's a the fun corollary of this is that the short form of that is Burke 371 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,360 Which is the kind of thing that your aunt or your grandma might call you 372 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:56,320 But most people don't actually know that Burke is short for barcha hunt and so they're then you know 373 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:03,600 Shocky, relatively relative with this one easy trick is wait until somebody says it at Christmas and then inform them 374 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,600 What they've just called their niece 375 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,400 It doesn't go down well anyway 376 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,920 That's that's the cockney rhyming slang corner 377 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,160 I 378 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:21,040 Could do I could I could do some Napoleonic sea shanty names. There's this I have so many useless facts 379 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,560 I can't you know, I'm not sure if I have a stout or a porter here 380 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:33,160 Higher history of ruin taxation and delicious beers 381 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,760 Yeah, I'm a big fan of stout's and porters as you know 382 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,760 and 383 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,320 Yeah, they're very very very useful if you're moving house as well and 384 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,520 So we do actually have an agenda 385 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,880 But I mean like I don't know if you wanted to give us a lesson on on anything that 386 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,360 That's fine, too. But so I did want to talk about eco steak though 387 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,840 If anyone else wants to talk about it why sure 388 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,840 Restake 389 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,040 Yeah 390 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,640 Yeah, I meant restake restake 391 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,680 I feel like we jumped five topics in there. Did we not well actually we already talked about 392 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,120 Did you want to hit you? Did you want to re go to the Porsche thing because we could do that 393 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:36,320 Yeah, let's restake Porter and stout so in the one square mile of London 394 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:43,520 Yeah, we know you see everybody knows the story. It's very very good. Everybody knows about the history of brewing 395 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,960 Yeah 396 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,080 So we all have this common problem of 397 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,920 we want our 398 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,920 delegators to restake with us and 399 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,840 we've all solved it with various 400 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:05,040 scripts or things and then Tom from eco steak after 401 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,960 Arm surgery or something. It's just like, you know what I'm gonna solve it for every chain forever 402 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,520 And I'm gonna release it and there's gonna be no direct payment to me 403 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:24,280 So here you go. Like that's how restake was basically presented to all of us 404 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:31,360 It was the admirable thing to do. Let's everybody so that no one has clear advantage 405 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,200 I mean that is a very friendly thing to do 406 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,800 It was great. Yeah. Yeah, I mean they 407 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:45,680 They eco state definitely deserve a lot of credit for developing that very quickly and with absolutely 408 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:51,280 No self-interest baked into it. I mean fairness even without the 409 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,280 Potential surgery with giving them time to do it 410 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,840 Tom docks where in the UK he lives and I can tell you 411 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,120 I'm just gonna just like relentlessly sledge the place he lives because that's very British thing to do 412 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,440 But there's fucking nothing to do in that town. I'm sorry 413 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,400 Even if he was fully well 414 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,000 The law that I once went there, right? I once went there and 415 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:26,960 All that happened was I have my wallet nicked and my girlfriend left me that is that town fucking sucks 416 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,200 At the same time was it your girlfriend? 417 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:36,160 Did she make it or to the guy who picked your wallet take your girlfriend so your girlfriend was restate 418 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,200 I mean we can work out 419 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,120 There's a lot of different things that could have happened that night 420 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,560 It was very much, you know, we're like that scene in The Simpsons where Marge asked Homer where he was the night before 421 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,600 And he just like has this like this thing where he's like in a club with like the cocktails 422 00:35:53,600 --> 00:36:00,080 And he's just telling them a droll joke about the gold standard and then just has seen missing and it's like him and a gutter 423 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:06,560 It was like it was very much like that kind of a thing where I was like, ah, yes the train station very good 424 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,200 Yes, okay. Shall we go and have one swift ale at this public house? 425 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,320 and then like 426 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,560 just 427 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,760 And if the day after it's like where's my wallet? 428 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,240 Where's all my stuff? It was that guy that was standing really close to me at the bar 429 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,040 And you're like, ah, yeah, probably because he was taking my wallet 430 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:29,760 but 431 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,760 Never mind Tom's a legend and it's unfortunate that I don't like the place he's from 432 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,760 To sum up 433 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,760 To sum up he's a great guy, however 434 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,760 I don't think Tom took my wallet to answer Noel's question 435 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,760 One thing I'm curious about is does anybody know if off the sea supports ledger or is it that restick doesn't support ledger? 436 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:58,760 Is it that off the sea doesn't support ledger because there's an upstream cosmos thing? I think I saw a Simon water 437 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,760 blog post about that. Yeah, I think I think that's how I understood it as well 438 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,760 Okay, I thought it was an off-sea issue like a core 439 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,760 Tenderman issue that didn't support that for some reason, but yeah 440 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,760 That's kind of what I figured but that makes him unfortunate that 441 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,760 Because then all of us use the ledger don't get to jack in 442 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,760 Which I assume will be solved like it, you know, I think it's just a matter of maturity and those types of things but 443 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,760 And also I think the other thing just to call out this out is I think Tom did a great job here 444 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,760 Not only, you know in terms of releasing this for both 445 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,760 Delegators as well as validators and you know across the board 446 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:44,760 Chains that support off-sea but also to do so in a way that it holds the integrity of the validator 447 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,760 Delegate right so like he made tough decisions to say hey 448 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,760 You can only stake three validators because we want to control costs because validators pay the fees for that restake 449 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,760 Not that the delegator does not have the people know that or not but validator basically builds a wallet that 450 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:06,760 Has enough coin to be able to cover the fee structure for the for that automatic transaction because basically as a validator 451 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,760 We're running that transaction in your behalf and saying hey take the fees out of our wall to be able to do that 452 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,760 And so to make that less 453 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,760 miserable costly 454 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,760 Whatever see limits at the three right the easy way out would be to run one transaction 455 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,760 Which allows you to pull the delegate the delegation from all validators and just stake it to yourself 456 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,760 and we did know of somebody else in the ecosystem that did that and 457 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,760 You know a little investigation what was going on there and wasn't really clear around how that was working 458 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,760 And I don't think delegate really knew that I don't know if that was really communicated well and 459 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:50,760 Tom stayed away from that like he he built a restriction on the product side to the limit it to three validators 460 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,760 That would be more of an impact on the on the 461 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,760 Delegator to be able to hold the sanctity of how that person chose to deliver 462 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:06,760 And how to you know distribute delegations to the validators that which I thought was just awesome like it's just the right thing to do and like it was just such an 463 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,760 Upstanding 464 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,760 cosmos 465 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,760 Shultz type of thing would you say at the beginning of this podcast that was exactly in whatever beautiful thing you said at the beginning of this thing is 466 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,760 Exactly that was exactly in line with what you said right 467 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:28,760 Holistically wholesome I think is the word I use I mean how else can you describe this product than holistically wholesome it really is 468 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:36,760 And you know I'll be on Twitter at someone messing me and say hey, I'm having this issue and then half the time Tom will already be on my 469 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,760 Helping someone before I get to know I'm like right really 470 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,760 Hey, you know what really helped me with Tom and Eco steak fill up 471 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,760 Eco steak fill up with Google form 472 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,460 This is when we find out that Tom is launching an Eco steak coin and it's just a long rug huge 473 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,760 Rugby 474 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,760 Literally tens of thousands of dollars right like 475 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,760 It's gonna wait like it's a eighth grand and then rug pull it 476 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:15,760 So I don't know if you guys know but Tom's also involved with like a bunch of a cash stuff like he 477 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,420 Contributes a lot to a cash as well with 478 00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:20,560 cosmos omnibus 479 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,760 Which is where you can deploy nodes 480 00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:28,500 From his repo onto a cash. It's really good 481 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,760 repository as well, and he was also building a 482 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:41,920 I'm not sure where this ended up. I haven't checked back with him, but he was building a website to actually deploy sort of 483 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,480 nodes not nodes just to do deployments onto a cash 484 00:40:48,260 --> 00:40:54,880 Through a website instead of having to do it through the CLI because it can be quite cumbersome to new users 485 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,240 But so how do you guys? 486 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:01,240 Like how is it going with your nodes with the 487 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,320 With restate okay, how you you know is it is it going well? 488 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:13,360 How's the box going are you burning through lots of gas? I know that for me for example, it's 489 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,040 probably more expensive 490 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,880 To do this endeavor with Juno 491 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:25,520 It burns a little bit of money with those fees, but not so much on Stargaze, but they're the only two that I use 492 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,520 I haven't had any trouble with the plot. I 493 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,320 did initially but after 494 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,280 You know sorting out how it runs and and the frequency at which it runs 495 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,320 I haven't had too much issue with that afterwards 496 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:44,120 And I haven't been getting any complaints about it not running and the logs seem to be fine 497 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:49,600 So anyone else have any experience like want to share any of their experience with it or I 498 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:55,120 I hit my first book yesterday and ghost had to swoop in this morning. Help me last night 499 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,680 He and I both updated our our bot and I guess it killed the Docker container 500 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,200 So I woke up and ghost was like hey 501 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,080 I guess it turns out you you updated last night as well 502 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,160 And you have to like clean the orphans and do a rebuild whatever 503 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:14,160 But so it didn't run at all last night when I was when I was saying I would run every 15 minutes for for Kerberos 504 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,360 So that was a bummer 505 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,320 Yeah, so is that the optimum time now for Kerberos? 506 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,120 That's about the fastest you can go anything faster than that and it just kills itself off. I 507 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:30,160 suppose it depends on how much are also sort of on there 508 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,160 So it has to get to the end of the list and it's not far going through the list we 509 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:39,800 So I mean room for improvement. We kind of needed sort of batching on that. I think 510 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,400 Tom might need some help with that fit 511 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:49,360 Adding everything up and batching it into transactions and throwing it out would be I think much faster than sort of doing it one at a time 512 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,360 Potentially save gas as well. I think he's got that on the development 513 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,040 path just a lot of things to take care of but 514 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:07,240 It's a great term. I really love the interface. It's so clean and it's pretty intuitive. He's done a great job 515 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,280 You guys know a steak free 516 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:16,880 Sure, I mean, I've seen the validator in the list. Yeah, yeah, he's been using 517 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,840 Tom's sort of UI to build a 518 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,840 Complete view of your wallet 519 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,720 And so he had built like yesterday, but restake just shipped today 520 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:39,080 Using Tom's like code and overall platform. I think that's just fantastic that 521 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,080 you know 522 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,360 Someone was able to build something using the 523 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,160 existing code 524 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,440 I mean, it's gonna be also interested like I 525 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,360 Like what we were talking about earlier with like how early we are on the rug pulling 526 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,640 the the more positive corollary of that I think 527 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,760 It's so early think of all the innovation in rug pulling 528 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:09,400 It's really just make me so excited. They're like fucking s tier rug pulls. We're gonna see 529 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,600 Obviously the rug pulls back, but like a more positive version of this is like I think so 530 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,120 Let's let's try and be holistically wholesome, right? I feel challenged 531 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,920 I'm 532 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:29,200 I mean this is already the holistically wholesome lavender five holistically wholesome 533 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,360 Description on his validator now 534 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:47,200 You start tweeting at you, but like you made like one of the things I think that you know, I've always been trying to do is to like kind of 535 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:57,000 Be as good as we can about making the ecosystem approachable whether that's for validators which I think we have done like people keep telling us our docs are 536 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,760 Pretty good and that they use them for other chains and stuff and you know, we've sort of also seen 537 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:08,600 Other chains using bits and pieces of our docs and obviously a lot of our docs are not just from from one place like 538 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:20,120 Your stargaze helped with some early versions of the Juno docs and blah blah blah like like one of the big things that like Juno's been focused on whether it's docs whether it's people whether it's whatever is getting people into the ecosystem to do 539 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,760 XYZ from 540 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:30,120 Other walks of technical life or maybe not technical life at all, you know, non-engineers and whatnot and 541 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,160 Obviously Tom 542 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:45,400 Is it's not a newcomer to any of this stuff, but the fact that there is now like this kind of bed of tech that is now been developed for the ecosystem and it's spanning things like 543 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,520 Validator tooling RPC tooling smart contracts and lots of stuff. I 544 00:45:52,560 --> 00:46:00,040 Genuinely think like this year we're going to see and I think we already are seeing that this a huge huge increase of 545 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,720 tooling and cool stuff available purely because 546 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:05,720 It's not like you have to 547 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,160 Start from absolute zero, you know, right? 548 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:17,800 Like even like even an absolutely stupid thing would be like for us. We launched name service. It's quite a naughty small project in the grandest team of things but 549 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:24,120 There's a whole bunch of other stuff we're working on with other teams who people want to integrate with it or build additional products on top or whatever 550 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:30,120 And just like there was one where we literally just were able to copy and paste that code delete everything that wasn't related to the 551 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,680 the core 552 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,840 This is how you get up and running with Cosmos and 553 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:41,840 Just move on and they like that done anybody could fork that code and do exactly the same thing like test scripts deploy scripts that are in 554 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,040 The name the next name service test script is actually how we see I Juno 555 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,520 For example for for smart contracts because again had to write it once didn't want to do that 556 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,360 Again, it's I actually this doesn't the job we need 557 00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:02,520 Dowdow's similar they did only actually again a lot of the name service test script stuff was based on stuff that Ben 2x4 wrote for 558 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:08,080 Juno swap and then it made it into Dowdow and then made into name service and it just gets refined 559 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,120 Every time somebody else has hands on it, right? 560 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:18,680 And and all this sort of stuff, you know, like the like, you know, you guys have all done test nets for the Juno, right? 561 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:23,640 You know the the test net CI stuff, which is all about validating and running test nets quickly. That's 562 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:25,560 several 563 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:32,760 Versions of remove a waste from something. I think regen used, you know, and I don't know like I'm kind of really excited by that now that we're maybe 564 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:39,640 We're like beginning to be at like a critical mass of engineers point where all of this tooling is just going to come on really really quickly 565 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:45,880 I don't know what you guys think about that. Well, I think another point to be brought into that is Cosmos is interesting 566 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:55,320 because if you join the Cosmos as an engineer, you're already kind of joining this massive scale. If you join, say near near fantastic. I absolutely love near 567 00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:04,600 But you're still kind of relegated to this one chain was Cosmos as soon as you create one tool, you can really jack it into all these different chains. 568 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,760 I think there's something really special to be said about that 569 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,120 Maybe I kind of got a little topic 570 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:22,520 But I think you the the model of the Cosmos SDK and starport being able to just like launch your own chain 571 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:29,520 Whether you have extensive experience in blockchain or you're brand new to it 572 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:37,080 It's able to connect you with just like this amazing group of individuals that are 573 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:44,360 Selfless and want to see the technology progress. And so I think that you know echoing your point 574 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,520 Where the where we as validators are providing one 575 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,600 Shred of the one shard of the infrastructure needed to actually run the chain 576 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,040 There's now the opportunity to build all these tools on top of it. And so I think we're going to see a 577 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,600 You know 578 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:10,920 Just an explosion to follow the sort of burst of map of zones activity 579 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,920 In the tooling that then supports it 580 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,560 So I think this is actually probably a good point to 581 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:27,000 Where we're trying to impose a format on these on the podcast as we do it and we're going to do this every week 582 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,480 at 2300 UTC 583 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,360 Right here on this channel 584 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,560 But we have a final question 585 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,760 For this first episode, which I think given how whole holistically wholesome 586 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,200 That I think I'd like to ask everybody else on here. You know like 587 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:55,000 You know especially and especially I think we need like this kind of positivity as well because I think the last week has been very publicly contentious 588 00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:57,720 What? 589 00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:59,720 What? 590 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,520 We talk about what cousin what about? 591 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,960 I wonder why 592 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,600 So so hang on before you so potentially the fray we should just 593 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,920 Say that we purposely haven't talked about that on this perfectly. If not talked about it. Yeah 594 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,800 So we're not we're not ignoring it. We haven't talked about it because it's already 595 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,840 Uh, so I think everything that can be said about it 596 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,920 Has been said 597 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,800 A Twitter it's so polarizing that you know 598 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,960 We just yeah, don't really want to talk about that here, but I think um, so 599 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,480 Just going on with your final question that you were going to ask 600 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:47,160 To everybody about uh, what we're most excited about. Yeah in the cosmos 601 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:56,040 Going, you know for the next week. Well, I'm gonna butt in and say so I can you know win and say that I got it first 602 00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,920 Is that I'm actually most excited to see more development in the 603 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,080 In the governance area of cosmos 604 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,280 certainly like 605 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,720 you know 606 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:10,760 at least 607 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,760 Chains having some sort of structure around themselves like the 608 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,840 Constitutions that we're seeing starting to come forward and potentially some development of the governance module 609 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:28,840 that may allow for some different parameters in in voting rather than just the one set hard parameters because 610 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:33,560 um, you know in proposals like recent ones that we've seen 611 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,280 Maybe three days isn't enough. Maybe, you know, that needs a different 612 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,800 uh amount of quorum. Maybe it needs a different amount of 613 00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:45,240 You know pass vote 614 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:52,600 Uh, it's it's not a one thing fits everything type of situation. So I'm excited to see some development in governance 615 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,680 And I'm excited to see where it leads to 616 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000 Sorry to cut you off 617 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,840 well, I mean that's that's that's a really good answer and 618 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,320 Uh, I'll go and then I'll hand it over to to other people on the call. Uh, yeah, I think 619 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,920 One of the things that's been most exciting about governance about about prop 16 is seeing 620 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:22,680 The limits of this system that we're working in and also the the fact that like you say there are limitations to 621 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,080 The way we can do governance 622 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,440 but there are really interesting and quite obvious paths 623 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,480 For how that stuff might work in future and you know, that's what we were talking about earlier as well 624 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,280 You know the stuff with stargaze and their phenomenal 625 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:42,440 Genesys mint that was really exciting. There are more minutes to come in stargaze. That's you know, a thing that I'm really excited about 626 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:49,320 But I think it's the the the combination of what we've seen on stargaze, which is like how how we provision infrastructure 627 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:51,720 to do next-gen projects 628 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:52,920 and 629 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,920 How we do governance to do 630 00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,520 Well, maybe not next-gen governance, but certainly on-chain governance in the way you describe now 631 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:06,040 Um is actually a lot of that stuff is what I'm working on behind the scenes at the moment 632 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,480 Is there's nothing I can really announce on that yet, but there's some 633 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:18,600 But that's certainly what's exciting to me about this whole prop 16 situation is it's kind of validated 634 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,560 For me a lot of thoughts that I'd had and I've sort of seen them play out and I'm now like, okay 635 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,880 I am working on something that you know, maybe has value here. So 636 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,480 Um, that's I'm also excited about similar stuff. I think um 637 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,480 Jabby, would you like to go next? I'm guessing you're excited about your final 638 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,160 10 000 639 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,560 Pup pup moss subs face reveal, right? 640 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,600 Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. Um 641 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,800 I mean, I'm most excited about pup most finally revealing 642 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,160 What pup most is I mean we've read the white pupper 643 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,600 Some of us have translated it into pup speak 644 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,040 I have I have no idea what exactly to expect 645 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,920 But um, yeah, I mean, I think the the release of pup most or 646 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,320 Or whatever, you know that that that stems from it is probably the most exciting 647 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,640 I just figured out how to do that by the way is double click comes up 648 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:19,800 I'll give that a go 649 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,840 It's amazing. Shilty 650 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,040 Uh 651 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,080 What we're excited for with how it relates to prop 16 or just in general? 652 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:42,120 No, I know just in general of the cosmos. Okay, so we're going for the next week because I'm gonna ask you again. Well, the Friday's gonna ask you again next week 653 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,880 Uh, I've got nothing for the next week specifically, but man, I had a meeting with the uh, 654 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,920 entertainment foundation today and we talked a bunch about 655 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,960 entertainment accounts and 656 00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:01,160 First of all as a relayer this puts the absolute fear in me right now relaying is absurdly expensive 657 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,240 And this will just like ramp it up to a thousand whereas right now it's at like two 658 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:11,240 But like for the long-term vision of the cosmos. I think that this is going to be just 659 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:17,240 Absolutely incredible. It's gonna be so cool whenever, you know the concept of the cosmos hub can be truly like the cosmos 660 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:24,360 Have you have your atom account, but it can control anything you have or all of the different chains and that kind of sounds 661 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:26,280 You know 662 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:31,800 Not that amazing at first glance, but thinking about what kind of like daps you could interact about having to 663 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,240 Like visibly change accounts. It's just I'm so excited for it. I think it's gonna be 664 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,360 Absolutely incredible. I think it's really gonna help differentiate 665 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,080 The cosmos even further 666 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,640 Awesome 667 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,640 You said you're thinking 668 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:53,960 I'm sorry or no, I was thinking for this week. I think all all four of your answers are really really strong 669 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,480 And things I'm looking forward to as well. I think the governance one will be longer than a week 670 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,640 Um, it seems like that might be dragged till the end of this year or early next year. Oh, Joe this left 671 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,120 Um, I think this week I'm hoping for some movement on edmos 672 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,520 Um, we've had a stall here. I'll be you guys know a couple weeks ago and 673 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:18,120 And the team is I think spending the time and the effort to to regroup and do it right and they've kind of been in 674 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,400 They've been in the tank as you call it, right and trying to decide what's next and those types of things 675 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,400 So I'm hoping to see some 676 00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:26,520 some 677 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,520 um, kind of direction out of that group and and figure out where we're going from here because that 678 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,160 Obviously that that project has a lot of potential and it has a lot of value to the ecosystem 679 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:40,040 So I'm hoping to see like some stability and kind of get away from 680 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:44,520 You know, I think we're kind of rushing towards down this path and throwing things out and trying to get to do 681 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:49,320 What we needed to do and next thing you know, we're stalled and everything else is over. So I'm hoping I'm hoping that 682 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:56,520 We've learned some lessons as a group from that and now that thing, you know, kind of takes off because it's a valuable 683 00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,720 It's a valuable, you know inclusion to this ecosystem, and I'm hoping that it goes somewhere. So that's my hope for this week 684 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:07,240 I think that's a really great call out. I was deeply afraid that they were going to like try and 685 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:09,960 Jumpstart it like two days after it right right? 686 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,480 Oh, this isn't going to go great 687 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,960 But the fact that they're taking a step back and reconsidering and regrouping I think is a 688 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,520 In my opinion a really positive sign 689 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,520 Absolutely. Yeah 690 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:27,240 Yeah, yeah impressed that they're standing back and thinking about it before just aping into getting it going again. Exactly 691 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,360 Yeah, um, because they were like, you know 692 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,240 As you say, uh, you said there's a lot of lessons learned 693 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,360 in that environment when something goes wrong and maybe 694 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:43,240 You know other chains can learn for this or even other validators about when things start to go pear shape 695 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:48,280 Maybe it's just better to step back and say look, you know have some leadership and and 696 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,160 the chain devs are something saying, you know things aren't going right 697 00:57:53,640 --> 00:58:00,200 Maybe we should step back a little bit and um come up with a new time and we'll you know try to restart it because 698 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,680 We end up in this situation where 699 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:07,880 Um, you know everyone's at different stages and the chain starts to stall and it's just almost irrecoverable 700 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,280 and I think 701 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,440 You know that needs to be looked into more 702 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:19,160 Yeah, I think sometimes people can kind of view in these situations like validators as a all validators are one thing 703 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:21,640 And I'm just talking to one 704 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:27,800 But like these types of coordination across a hundred or 125 or 150 different groups across 705 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,800 You know how many time zones and trying to communicate and 706 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,520 Like it is is that much of a people problem that is a technology problem? 707 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:42,360 It's probably I would think it's probably 80 people and 20 technology honestly and just getting communication and how do you 708 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,400 How do you coordinate across this many people across this many? 709 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,920 This you know half or sleep and this and that and everything else. It's a really difficult problem. And so 710 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,920 clear communication slow steps like this 711 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,960 It's a really important piece out of all this and so 712 00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,320 I think they I think they clearly learned that lesson 713 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,280 not like the way that you want to learn it but but 714 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:06,360 But 715 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,720 Clearly it was a tough situation with trying to push out a security 716 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,920 Update and everything else with that but still that that doesn't necessarily mean that you can get 717 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:20,360 60 some percent of validators to do exactly what you want to do at the time you want to do it because that doesn't happen 718 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:26,760 All right, and there there is no contingency plan on you throw the new binary at it and then 719 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,560 Yeah, they don't 720 00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,560 Yeah, if you don't do it then just stop then sometimes it's it always seems like we're one away 721 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:39,720 Like we see one more person that wake up or it's always it's always one more. I see we see one more 722 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,960 66 is like my nightmare number 723 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,400 Or like 69 and then you're like 724 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,320 Oh, like 69 and then you're like why didn't it stop? 725 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:59,160 Yeah, it's a different number. Yeah during curve race. It was like 69.69 and like 18 of us were like 726 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,040 nice 727 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,760 Well while it stops. Yeah exactly 728 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,520 Yeah, um mad cat down there with pop most is 729 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,920 He can come on as he gets it's win at this call. He's already here. He's down 730 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:20,520 There's already he's already here. He's down there. He's very sneaky. Oh wait 731 01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:27,480 I've just realized of course they've probably done that thing where we are all seeing a different tiling of everybody, aren't we? 732 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,200 Could be 733 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,040 Everybody points to pop moss 734 01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,120 Down that that way over there, right? 735 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,960 Oh, yeah, I think I think I think it's backwards. Yeah 736 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,640 Um, there you go mad cat. Does that answer your question? Where is it? 737 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,320 Not pop moss. You keep saying that it's a typical pop moss thing to say 738 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:54,840 That is exactly what pop moss should say. I've seen the life of brian. I know how this goes 739 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,680 I am the messiah. He is the messiah. Oh 740 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,280 So um for next week, uh, so jack's gonna join us next week 741 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,760 Uh, he's gonna be a regular on the show as well and some people have asked if we will get guests 742 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,560 I think we will um potentially try and have some guests on you 743 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,600 Even if they're just like poppins and not here for the for the whole thing or if they want to be here for the whole thing 744 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,200 But if anyone is out here and wants to actually be sorry 745 01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:26,360 I've checked the terms of service and we can apparently have up to 10 people on this mad 746 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,080 Mad show 747 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,800 Break stream yard, so um 748 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:36,200 Um, yeah, we we can definitely have guests and it will be 749 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,280 crazy 750 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:44,280 So I think um, I think we're we're open to that right uh the fray so anyone who wants to be a guest on the show 751 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,840 Contact any of us. Um 752 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,760 Probably, you know directed it. Uh, probably me or the fray 753 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:52,680 There we go 754 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,040 and uh 755 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,040 Oh whisper nodes on here we go 756 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,240 There we go 757 01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,240 And even with whisper node 758 01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,240 It's gonna be singing all the hits 759 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,280 From the rap pack obviously 760 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,000 So I'll put in the yes 761 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,480 yes 762 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,000 Whisper node 763 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:16,280 Yeah, and if anybody else has any uh any suggestions for topics they want to cover things they want to ask, you know 764 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:23,880 From for us as validators or obviously we all do various other things jabbies pup moss, of course 765 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,360 I do decentralized name service 766 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,760 Shultz is also doing uh dev and various other guys's including 767 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,560 Cat you are helping some stuff out with strange love, right? 768 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:43,160 I am jabbies doing stuff with strange love, I believe yeah show us jabbies doing stuff with strange love so 769 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,480 Various people various projects if you have questions 770 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,560 um 771 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,720 Ask us on twitter and we can raise them on the show or we can put them as topics for the next show 772 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:58,120 We're we're still kind of working out the format a little bit. So tell us what was interesting 773 01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,200 Tell us what was less interesting 774 01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:05,960 And we can kind of refine what we're doing here a little bit so that everybody's getting their money's worth because 775 01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,520 Depending on your time zone. I appreciate that certainly for me. It is midnight now. So, uh, 776 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,840 I totally appreciate anybody in the europe time zone who has bothered to listen to us 777 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:21,800 Uh this later tonight. Thank you very much for listening. I'm I'm nearing midday and it's been fantastic that it's not 3am 778 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,800 I 779 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,040 I 780 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,040 I don't 781 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:32,920 I totally just ruined your sign off chain upgrades though. You know, we're gonna 782 01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,640 If I ever launch a chain you're up at 3am every upgrade every upgrade 783 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:45,320 I I I absolutely love the fact that I am actually planning a test that I think you're in 784 01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,880 no in the next week 785 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:53,160 And I have the power to decide when you shall be up for it. So 786 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,760 These thing is an exceptional time to do anything. I think it is 787 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,480 Yeah, I that's definitely what I've just written in the genesis file 788 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,200 2300 utc a very rational time for a british person on utc to write 789 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:09,960 perfect 790 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,440 100 percent 100 percent of time i'm gonna go for 791 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:18,440 Um, so yeah to address the questions in the comments. This will be a weekly podcast. It's going to be the same time every week 792 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,160 2300 hours utc 793 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,040 on a wednesday 794 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,320 Yes, we sometimes will have guests on 795 01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:29,800 If you would like to 796 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:35,320 We don't have a twitter for the show exactly but we have individual twitters for everybody on this show 797 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,400 So lavender five jo abbey 798 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,800 usurper 799 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,640 null memes 800 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,640 Mine is fray needle cast 801 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,720 If you want to follow any of us we'll 802 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:51,720 We'll post about this and of course you can like and subscribe on youtube and you'll get notifications 803 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,200 When we're going live 804 01:04:54,200 --> 01:05:00,280 On the show and I think that's about it. Does anybody else have anything else to want to say before we sort off and I go to bed 805 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,240 Uh, well just on the back of that. We I think we should probably um throw up a 806 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,600 I'm not gonna say yeah, uh 807 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,600 I 808 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,600 was 809 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,600 It's a point you have to say it right then 810 01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,840 No, well, uh, I guess we'll get no i'm not even gonna say it 811 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,600 Sign off 812 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,600 Thanks everybody for uh 813 01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,600 For coming to see us 814 01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:38,600 See you next week. Bye