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Hello everybody welcome to game of nodes this is weekly podcast by cosmos validators about the cosmos
opinions are fully our own good and bad and
Who have we got here?
Well, so I'm the Frey some people will know me as founder of decentralized name service on Gino and I'm joined by
Sorry, I have a bit of a bad throat because as some people will also know I've had COVID this last week
But I'm joined by four of in my opinion the finest validators in the cosmos
Jabby null names you set up right now and
Shultz see also known as being behind lavender five
Fellas would you like to introduce yourselves? I'll go in the order you are on my screen jabby
Hey, I'm Joe
I run a bunch of validators and
You may have noticed my tweets on
certain cosmos topics
Any particular
Particularly vocal on jabby
No idea maybe we'll come back around to that one, huh?
Yeah, all right cool no
So I am null names and for the purpose of this show I've shortened it to null to just make it easier and
we are the
representative here for a king nodes and
quite active around the whole of the
cosmos ecosystem that we're involved with not everything and
Just here to have a good old chat to some of our other great validators and
See
See what we can come up with for a show
Cool, okay, awesome you serve her
Everybody my name is I guess the server for this. I'm one half of the rhino team
Someone to these guys have been involved in cosmos for a few years and and want to share some experiences and just thoughts on
You know being a validator in this in this ecosystem what that means interaction with the community
I think is really important governance is a big topic and just discussion around that and you know
Drink some bourbon like those types of things. That's kind of what's going on here
It's a pretty sound idea about and finally
Short see down the corner the most handsome man on the stream. Oh
Thank you
Yeah, so I'm short see from lavender five nodes. I guess my focus is making the cosmos a more
holistically wholesome place
He's handsome and he's what is that?
You like an asshole now
We're just here like we're validators. We're here. Yeah, exactly right. Well, wow and shortly just like just want to make
Just want to make a difference
The world is gonna be a better place now. That's right. Every every child you reach, you know
That's the real got maybe maybe the real maybe real cosmos was the friends who made it in that I need to stop making that joke
Okay, should we should we jump into our first question?
Yeah, man, let's go. Yeah, okay, so we're gonna probably make this a regular thing. We've got
Dumbest thing we've seen in crypto this week
Anybody want to go first I can't think of anything really, right?
I don't want to go
Topics here. I don't really know. I mean, I'll I'll go I'll go first
I managed to bring down our Kerberus validator
Because I did a sim link wrong when initializing the node
Because I was full of COVID when I did it and somehow it eluded me so that was fun load of page duty
Which I was like that doesn't seem like a thing that would ever happen on a one terabyte disk
But it would feel like I think you are the first person to mess up a sim link
Maybe guilty of that myself is that spoken from experience
Free in the long list of dumbest things and cryptos this week that is not even in the top 10 hundred like 10,000
nice
I mean so to
To maybe take it to something that's a bit harmlessly because there have been some things that have been controversial in the last week
Something maybe less controversial and more harmless. There's obviously stargaze have their genesis meant
Anybody here get a get involved in that
Business that the kids have been talking so much about. Oh man. Yeah, I've got an enormous bag of NFTs
How many we talking what's what's what's that's probably an exaggeration
I think I probably ended up minting. I don't know 10 to 15. I guess
Because I don't know why I just
I was like where's the
I was about to ask whether whether he'd minted them all from one account or from multiple accounts to get around the cap on on
Stargaze punks, but that also might be a controversial topic. It's a good question
Anybody else anybody else been minting NFTs, you know, I didn't mint on stargaze, but I meant on secret
the chameleonville meant finally happened and
They had I don't know like 10 one out of one unique
Chameleons and I happen to get the chameleon Squidward. I was my first man. It's all like, ah, well, I guess I came out on top here
It's like a mix between like
Ringo Ringo that one movie animated film and
And Squidward from SpongeBob and some like I came out on top I won done minutes over
nice, I managed to land one of the Juno t-shirt stargaze punks completely by accident
I didn't notice it on time and I went back and was like, oh, I've gone sweet
Although doesn't you know, obviously bear any resemblance to me, but that's fine. It's got it's got it apart from the t-shirt
It's got t-shirt
And now I'll just send a message saying I was bloated
Whatever whatever that means
I was able to get a Juno not before those went there's only 500 and they seemed to go like within
30 seconds, so that was actually pretty lucky and then I grabbed a bunch of bad kids. I
Just I don't know and sometimes NFTs can somewhat look very similar
And I get like the rarity aspect of things everything else, but it just that kids was such a unique kind of approach to that they
Kind of I don't know just kind of drawn to it a little bit
There he is
So I picked up a bunch of those and then ended up picking up a Genesis rat and a stargaze trooper
And then I ran out of liquid stars and then I realized how much and I did the math
After the fact when I ran out
But yeah, no, I think I think I meant to 12 or 14 or something. It was actually it was a little clickathon actually
Yeah, well, I meant to the cup of glitch candy is we should obviously not you're awesome. I mean, they're awesome, but
Again afterward I kind of did the math and I was like
I'm looking forward to explaining that to my accountant when I have to put out on the spreadsheet I
I have also had in Australia with a business for tax at the end of the financial year you have to
Take account of everything that you've got and then pay tax on the appreciation and
Are we like cars?
Yeah, I don't know how I'm gonna value these NFTs. I'm just
What are you just going like the value you bought them for it? I
mean
How to how do I mean this is this is a dumb question under I'm not really an NFT guy like but how to
Marketplaces work today. You give you like a rough valuation or is it all sealed bids or I think like so
I guess as a valuation, I guess you just go off
Your rarity and like the last sale price at one sort of around that rarity, I guess
I feel like kind of a dubious way to have to pay taxes is like I I've seen something similar to this thing that I have
Therefore, I would definitely like to pay more tax, please. Right. I mean, isn't that how it normally works?
That may have connectivity issues or is that the fray?
you
But you can hear me. Yeah, we can all hear you. Yeah, I
Kind of
It's almost like you're in an island in the middle of this might be psychological rather
It's just what happens when you're in Australia and but yeah, okay, so
So obviously yeah on from on from NFTs I think
Well, just before you got that freight, I thought that that experience was awesome. I thought Stargaze and that team like the
Responsiveness of it the availability like no issues like it was just it was a really nice meant same thing with what happened with
Without me flex as well. I think it's
To both those teams those those are really nice to be able to have like no issues and people just you know suck
They just just buying those things like crazy, right?
Yeah, so you have some involvement in the infrastructure side of that or did I imagine I'm helping with the RPC and the API side
so they set up but like 90% of it and I added some nodes and kind of helped with some of the
Just a little bit name in the balancing just just a little bit a little tweaking here and there but I think I think just
The dashboard I have here like in the last since mint, which was the first bit was Friday
It's been like 50 million 55 million RPC API calls
Which is which is like impressive and I think on that Friday night when it went it was
2300 a second and then the Saturday night one which was a second one which is which I kind of missed out on that was the one with like the
the audio components and those types of things because I didn't have any stars left over because you know I
Spend all on Friday night
That one that one was like a little bit over 3000 are like API calls a second
So but again, I no complaints. I heard everybody had really good feedback on it. I thought it was I thought it was great
So it was happy being involved that it was really cool. So just
What's those those API calls was that just for your?
Infrastructure is that as a whole to the that's no that's just that says a hole
So that comes in that not the nerd out
But but that's the point of this right so it comes into cloudflare and it does like a
Global distribution based off of geo and then it has we right now we have three but eventually be four separate
like geo located
Structures where there's nodes. So for mint we had 18 nodes sitting behind that that was low balancing across the globe
Those calls this is actually so that was so you had 18 and then
Stargaze they also had like quite a few. No, I only had I only had a few they had they had I think 15 or 14 going I added
Okay, you know and then yeah, I had some some really high powered boxes to it and everything else
So we're we're kind of trying removing some stuff doesn't matter
but we're moving some stuff from more VPS to more bare metal and and trying to bring the cost down because it like 18 nodes as you guys know and
Cloud systems is not cheap
so I'm trying to try to get that down and then the next piece is trying to get the community involved and bring other validators and to
Distribute that a little bit find ways to not make it where it's just all foundation run type stuff. So that I think it's pretty cool
That's that's actually deeply impressing impressive that you did in 18 nodes
On secret they've used you know like 12 at a time and secret has started to slow down
So the fact that Stargaze was able to be as performative as it was with 18 is
astounding yeah
Yeah, I know Jorge's been working on that absolutely. Yeah for a long time. So it's awesome
I suspect that potentially my RPC is behind that load balancer as well, but I'm not a hundred percent sure I
Don't know actually I have IPs, but I don't know if your name's on there or not. I have no idea but
I'm not sure if I checked if it had any traffic or not
Yeah, I mean real funny thing I'm sorry guys
It's just growing in popularity right so before that meant it was two three hits a second and then it went to the
3000 right so you don't really know where it's gonna go
And so you just kind of throwing stuff at it see well
We want to make sure it's successful right and then now it's kind of balancing out like 75 to 80
Sort of like 25 times the traffic postman versus pre-met, which is really interesting since
You know as people checking I guess and maybe kind of seeing what they have and
I'm looking at everything else well, it's all the
So now you can
Claim the rest of your a drop so there'll be a lot of people coming in and with a bit of lag
I mean that as well. I suppose yeah on the 20th. I think is a second pick up on yeah
320 for the for the mint and then and then when the marketplace opens, you know for buying and selling that'll that'll also
So we're trying to get some stuff ready for that
But but again, not all this but I saw it that like it was such a nice. It was a nice launch, right?
I think that team's done a great job across the board
Well, this is this is the point of the show man to talk about this type of stuff. So yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah, it was cool
So there's also of course
Omni flicks and did they did they open their marketplace yet? I
Don't believe so. I don't think they've really progressed it all right now. Have they
I didn't think they've done the mint the Genesis mince yet
But I did see they had an update this thing was this morning or overnight
I didn't get there fully read it
But I mean that that network's on the way as well and we're also sitting there ready for it to get on the way as well
Yeah, they're pretty similar and same type of approach right like validators on get the network stable
No massive free, you know auto compounding
And whatever right just well, yeah, and all that kind of stuff and then kind of take a stepwise approach at that
I both you know Shayna team and sis love done very similar
Very similar very similar strategy. Yeah to be honest like I think that's the strategy that
Stargaze used for their launch was near perfect. Yeah with
Avoiding that big compounding at the start. Yeah, I think he and also keeping
Basically zero liquid tokens before you do your LBP is also fantastic. What that is managed it so well
And then yeah, all of the air drops have been flawless on Stargaze and I hope it's the same with omniplex as well
Can't wait. Well, they I mean they're very they're very similar approaches, right?
like that yeah, absolutely those kind of build infrastructure to like what they've done with
With with claim sites and state sites everything else like like it's a great project. So it's exciting
I mean really interesting from like a technical perspective that they're I guess both betting on the
Launch early laundry cause and was and
build your product in cause and was and more in smart contracts on top of that core platform
and
Move forward from there rather than necessarily sort of working within the framework of the SDK as much as you know
I think previous projects have done
Which is definitely a new paradigm. I mean, I mean we've benefited from it with the name service stuff
Like I don't want to
Slag off any other projects
Exactly other than to say like the speed of development to get something to market on Juno compared to chains that
focus on doing one thing using native SDK
Modules is really quite noticeable. I think
You know thinking of like things I've seen that are coming along on Juno versus maybe what's happening on Desmos versus
Maybe what's happening on like star name or something like that and it feels like the speed of development just in Juno
On its own is like really really quick
But I think but there's this sort of like that was the intention of the cosmos SDK right though
So every chain has a purpose and then Juno's purpose is rapid development and smart contracts
So it's permissionless and you can do whatever the hell you want there like on
Ethereum but the other the other
Networks they might have sort of slower cadence, but they're sort of working working on something specific
If that makes any
What I mean is that if you know if if Desmos was launching today if or like starting to work on their project or if
Star name was starting to work on their project now
Would they build it with the SDK or would they do it with Cosmos? I
I
Wouldn't be too surprised if more you're gonna see more projects
Building with Cosmos and doing a stage launch like we've seen for OmniFlix and and Stargaze
because that seems like a pretty de-risked way of
Building a building a chain building a community
As long as people believe in the product and your roadmap and like where you say you're going and you're transparent like those teams have been
Seems like a pretty solid way of actually bootstrapping something of utility, you know
Yeah
Yeah, great. Just
Just just my thought on that I guess but yeah
So
The other thing this week. I think a lot of us have been participating in is the Cerberus Kerberus Cerberus
Yeah, how do you say that?
I think technically if we're talking to Greek then it'd be Kerberus, right? Yeah
Latin is hard K, isn't it?
See is hard K because Caesar Kaiser Kaiser King saw
Sure, sure, sure, what's that Kerberus is Greek, right? I think might be grandfathered in but I thought it was the Roman Guardian of underworld
three-headed dog
No, I
Thought it was the Greek guardian of the underworld. I could be wrong
We were all connected
You know as a matter of fact in Greek mythology Kerberus is often referred to as the hound of Hades a multi-headed dog
That guards the gates of the underworld to prevent the dead from leaving
Okay, so what what is the Greek? What is the accepted ancient Greek pronunciation for a C?
It's got a K when it's got the anunciation it does have Kerberus. I
Don't know who's in I don't know. I don't know what Nick's point is
I don't know if that's I mean
No names has a refrigerator of beer literally in the room that he's in so I assume that's what he's talking about because that would be
It's beer in there. I of course there's beer in there like
There's definitely some people in like I mean jabby to be fair doesn't have a papa in in shots anymore
But that obviously is a strong incentive that is for
For people to check that out that discovery towels nice though. I don't want to take it away for a
It's it's not a towel. It's a cycling jersey. No, I never mind that I thought it's a
It's a land comes out Armstrong vintage era
Scandal scandal Jersey nice so to performance enhancing Jersey. It's a performance enhancing Jersey
I actually have both of the Armstrong scandal Jersey who got
You know just also American obviously, you know discovery and US postal service. Oh, look at that. Look at that Wow
So voted by cycling weekly as the most tasteless Jersey you can wear the biggest faux pas on a group ride
I would yeah, it was pretty funny. It's actually a really great Jersey as well
It's really well, very nice and and also shows that you know, you're a big fan of winners
Regardless of whether or not
Whatever you have to do to win
Maybe it was okay. I think we've seen a bit of that lately
I think so, yeah, so the Royal Mail trucks like try to do they cut you off everything when you're rolling that when you're wearing that USPS
You know
Although there's a there was obviously plenty of performance enhancing drugs in there in the British cycling wasn't there. Oh Papa
Sorry
Winston right
He wants that
It's like he's like
Maybe just to get back on top well how many so my question is how many meme chains can cause not to stain like realistically
No, no, it's anything plus seahorse until seahorse happens. We don't have enough
Is it just change or do we are we also include including like CW 20 Juno?
No, I don't
Know see that we 20s don't count. Yeah, I mean just look to a binance smart chain and you'll find your number
Baby doge sheba emu
It's just so at least there's a little bit of effort required for a
A native but like, you know, anyone watching this
I guess as a warning just with all the CW 20s that are gonna be coming out
And all the shit coin frenzy, please be careful with your your rugs
There's gonna be a lot of rugs. It's just go look at BSC. This will be the same commission less
anyone can launch a coin anyone can add a little bit of liquidity
Pump it on on Twitter and then just rug you
For anyone watching
So to clarify wasn't the first rug like two days ago for Juno
Yeah, please
Check token or something like that not check all of that like the company right?
Right, right, right?
They rebranded after the rug
So it was check it you see this checked already their ticker and then they rebranded a primo, right?
It's I mean that entire situation I don't know if you like how closely you followed it, but it it
Was pretty sus from beginning to end. I mean I know I obviously you know it's bad for the people that got rugged and stuff
But like it it did seem really sus
Like even on the usual scale of like obvious kind of shit coin
But like the question is like what I mean, it's that it's that thing of we're still so early on this that people are gonna have to get
More sophisticated than that which was like baby's first rug pull
That's awesome
I
You suggest people are gonna have to get more sophisticated on their rug pulls
If I was gonna execute a rug pull I think it just got a bit more difficult right because
Was like the lowest possible effort rug pull that you could pull in this ecosystem now
Now now people be slightly smart. Okay, maybe people will be slight maybe people be a slight
Fire we're going to fraud you
Steal your money I would do it better than just stealing it. Is that what you say?
What's a hilarious a small amount to like like ten thousand dollars worth like if you're gonna rug at least go deep, right?
You get a rug at least for a million dollars or
All the court early. Yeah
The rug really tied the Juno together
Well, you did you did sort of analyze it as my first rug pull so maybe they've got you know, it's like a test round
Yeah, I said babies first rug pull
Wasn't a small amount according according to our viewers in the chat it was
1200 Juno or viewer in the chat
We're judging by the comments, it's a couple of viewers at least
Which which all of you if you had read if you had read the documentation from the streaming service that we're using that I sent you all over this
After me if you read the manual, of course, you know that you can deploy the comment thing yourself and have a look at the comments
It's awesome. All I saw was just a link. Oh, I
Anybody's wondering what what validators look like when we're talking to each other behind the scenes. It's just this
If you can do the x thing for to be honest
It is probably a good thing to have those comments there so that we yeah, I mean that makes sense. It's all it makes sense
Awesome, thanks. Back to that point. I this this year
We're gonna how many chains are gonna launch how many CW twins are a launch and how many promised airdrops like
Every every one obviously is gonna dilute and here we're in the middle of March
By the end of this year is any of this gonna make any difference, right?
And how how are those things really gonna set like separate themselves to have value or not have value or whatever?
It's got to come back to utility at some point right or so act of bias. Does it ever need to come back to utility?
but so a native can they can do other things like they
Basically at the moment all you can do at the moment on the CW 20 is have a CW 20 and then sure potentially rub
someone but on a you know with a native you have like say take for example
Chihuahua, I mean they're
They're actually doing some development there. They are believe the intention is to have wasm
and
I guess NFTs and other stuff so I mean most other other chains do that
I mean there may be some benefit in having that on a meme chain as well
You can't do that with the CW 20 you just stuck with your coin and and
You know this note so also with staking and staking rewards that I don't think
You can really do that at the moment with the CW 20 you can do some stuff with derived tokens and staking. Yeah
Yeah, okay, but it's
It in the sense of like do you get it for free? Is it just built into the protocol?
No, and it's and some of all complicated, but then the flip side that is you can more easily
I guess define your own behavior for that
But then you can also do that like in a much more sophisticated way
I mean, so this is like the interesting thing that's gonna happen with
I mean, I don't know when they're ever actually gonna sell it to a bank or whatever
But like the whole t-grade thing I think is interesting that reason because they're basically rebuilding all of the
Native staking functionality all of the native governance functionality as smart contracts which are
You know upgradeable for starters
But also have like very interesting custom behavior and properties that you wouldn't necessarily be able to pull off in the same
Way with the SDK or would be very difficult to develop
So I guess potentially
Also, there's problem there could be like a
Factor of safety with the shit coin is a native as well
Because you know, there's resources and reputations on the line
So if you take for example, you say you can't just rug a you can't rug a shit chain because there's got to be a validator set
Yeah, it's like a bit, you know, it's a bit more difficult like you put time and effort and
You're levering the trust leveraging the trust of validators. Okay, so
Yeah, I mean because all of us I know we did a lot of due diligence before
They sent us over a big prospectus to make more of their 10 year goals
That's right. Yeah, and so I shouldn't I shouldn't say shit
I know it's it's not nice to the envelopes. I should say mean coin because that's what they are. They mean coins
There's a difference you're still off jabbing if you're trying to say something
So, it's not a shit chain is the new term and oh, yeah, yeah, I think you were just talking over me because you're
We mean no offense it's
I mean it's a normal man you're a not straight expression
It's not straight in expression. It's meant as a term of endearment
It's just a very different culture is a totally a very different place, you know some ways five ten years behind the rest of the world
Saying saying someone is the proprietor of a shit chain is probably highly respectable over here. Yeah
Yeah, he called me a C word over the phone a while ago and I took it to heart. I thought that was a really nice compliment
Actually, yeah, it's just a welcome
Hey, I mean you're a contributor. I mean sorry
You're a community contributor
You're a real country music fan
Did you know that the you know in the UK we have cockney rhyming slang right the cockney rhyming slang for that is barcha hunt. Oh
You don't say you don't say
There you go. Can you translate anything just on the fly?
Pretty much so but there's a the fun corollary of this is that the short form of that is Burke
Which is the kind of thing that your aunt or your grandma might call you
But most people don't actually know that Burke is short for barcha hunt and so they're then you know
Shocky, relatively relative with this one easy trick is wait until somebody says it at Christmas and then inform them
What they've just called their niece
It doesn't go down well anyway
That's that's the cockney rhyming slang corner
I
Could do I could I could do some Napoleonic sea shanty names. There's this I have so many useless facts
I can't you know, I'm not sure if I have a stout or a porter here
Higher history of ruin taxation and delicious beers
Yeah, I'm a big fan of stout's and porters as you know
and
Yeah, they're very very very useful if you're moving house as well and
So we do actually have an agenda
But I mean like I don't know if you wanted to give us a lesson on on anything that
That's fine, too. But so I did want to talk about eco steak though
If anyone else wants to talk about it why sure
Restake
Yeah
Yeah, I meant restake restake
I feel like we jumped five topics in there. Did we not well actually we already talked about
Did you want to hit you? Did you want to re go to the Porsche thing because we could do that
Yeah, let's restake Porter and stout so in the one square mile of London
Yeah, we know you see everybody knows the story. It's very very good. Everybody knows about the history of brewing
Yeah
So we all have this common problem of
we want our
delegators to restake with us and
we've all solved it with various
scripts or things and then Tom from eco steak after
Arm surgery or something. It's just like, you know what I'm gonna solve it for every chain forever
And I'm gonna release it and there's gonna be no direct payment to me
So here you go. Like that's how restake was basically presented to all of us
It was the admirable thing to do. Let's everybody so that no one has clear advantage
I mean that is a very friendly thing to do
It was great. Yeah. Yeah, I mean they
They eco state definitely deserve a lot of credit for developing that very quickly and with absolutely
No self-interest baked into it. I mean fairness even without the
Potential surgery with giving them time to do it
Tom docks where in the UK he lives and I can tell you
I'm just gonna just like relentlessly sledge the place he lives because that's very British thing to do
But there's fucking nothing to do in that town. I'm sorry
Even if he was fully well
The law that I once went there, right? I once went there and
All that happened was I have my wallet nicked and my girlfriend left me that is that town fucking sucks
At the same time was it your girlfriend?
Did she make it or to the guy who picked your wallet take your girlfriend so your girlfriend was restate
I mean we can work out
There's a lot of different things that could have happened that night
It was very much, you know, we're like that scene in The Simpsons where Marge asked Homer where he was the night before
And he just like has this like this thing where he's like in a club with like the cocktails
And he's just telling them a droll joke about the gold standard and then just has seen missing and it's like him and a gutter
It was like it was very much like that kind of a thing where I was like, ah, yes the train station very good
Yes, okay. Shall we go and have one swift ale at this public house?
and then like
just
And if the day after it's like where's my wallet?
Where's all my stuff? It was that guy that was standing really close to me at the bar
And you're like, ah, yeah, probably because he was taking my wallet
but
Never mind Tom's a legend and it's unfortunate that I don't like the place he's from
To sum up
To sum up he's a great guy, however
I don't think Tom took my wallet to answer Noel's question
One thing I'm curious about is does anybody know if off the sea supports ledger or is it that restick doesn't support ledger?
Is it that off the sea doesn't support ledger because there's an upstream cosmos thing? I think I saw a Simon water
blog post about that. Yeah, I think I think that's how I understood it as well
Okay, I thought it was an off-sea issue like a core
Tenderman issue that didn't support that for some reason, but yeah
That's kind of what I figured but that makes him unfortunate that
Because then all of us use the ledger don't get to jack in
Which I assume will be solved like it, you know, I think it's just a matter of maturity and those types of things but
And also I think the other thing just to call out this out is I think Tom did a great job here
Not only, you know in terms of releasing this for both
Delegators as well as validators and you know across the board
Chains that support off-sea but also to do so in a way that it holds the integrity of the validator
Delegate right so like he made tough decisions to say hey
You can only stake three validators because we want to control costs because validators pay the fees for that restake
Not that the delegator does not have the people know that or not but validator basically builds a wallet that
Has enough coin to be able to cover the fee structure for the for that automatic transaction because basically as a validator
We're running that transaction in your behalf and saying hey take the fees out of our wall to be able to do that
And so to make that less
miserable costly
Whatever see limits at the three right the easy way out would be to run one transaction
Which allows you to pull the delegate the delegation from all validators and just stake it to yourself
and we did know of somebody else in the ecosystem that did that and
You know a little investigation what was going on there and wasn't really clear around how that was working
And I don't think delegate really knew that I don't know if that was really communicated well and
Tom stayed away from that like he he built a restriction on the product side to the limit it to three validators
That would be more of an impact on the on the
Delegator to be able to hold the sanctity of how that person chose to deliver
And how to you know distribute delegations to the validators that which I thought was just awesome like it's just the right thing to do and like it was just such an
Upstanding
cosmos
Shultz type of thing would you say at the beginning of this podcast that was exactly in whatever beautiful thing you said at the beginning of this thing is
Exactly that was exactly in line with what you said right
Holistically wholesome I think is the word I use I mean how else can you describe this product than holistically wholesome it really is
And you know I'll be on Twitter at someone messing me and say hey, I'm having this issue and then half the time Tom will already be on my
Helping someone before I get to know I'm like right really
Hey, you know what really helped me with Tom and Eco steak fill up
Eco steak fill up with Google form
This is when we find out that Tom is launching an Eco steak coin and it's just a long rug huge
Rugby
Literally tens of thousands of dollars right like
It's gonna wait like it's a eighth grand and then rug pull it
So I don't know if you guys know but Tom's also involved with like a bunch of a cash stuff like he
Contributes a lot to a cash as well with
cosmos omnibus
Which is where you can deploy nodes
From his repo onto a cash. It's really good
repository as well, and he was also building a
I'm not sure where this ended up. I haven't checked back with him, but he was building a website to actually deploy sort of
nodes not nodes just to do deployments onto a cash
Through a website instead of having to do it through the CLI because it can be quite cumbersome to new users
But so how do you guys?
Like how is it going with your nodes with the
With restate okay, how you you know is it is it going well?
How's the box going are you burning through lots of gas? I know that for me for example, it's
probably more expensive
To do this endeavor with Juno
It burns a little bit of money with those fees, but not so much on Stargaze, but they're the only two that I use
I haven't had any trouble with the plot. I
did initially but after
You know sorting out how it runs and and the frequency at which it runs
I haven't had too much issue with that afterwards
And I haven't been getting any complaints about it not running and the logs seem to be fine
So anyone else have any experience like want to share any of their experience with it or I
I hit my first book yesterday and ghost had to swoop in this morning. Help me last night
He and I both updated our our bot and I guess it killed the Docker container
So I woke up and ghost was like hey
I guess it turns out you you updated last night as well
And you have to like clean the orphans and do a rebuild whatever
But so it didn't run at all last night when I was when I was saying I would run every 15 minutes for for Kerberos
So that was a bummer
Yeah, so is that the optimum time now for Kerberos?
That's about the fastest you can go anything faster than that and it just kills itself off. I
suppose it depends on how much are also sort of on there
So it has to get to the end of the list and it's not far going through the list we
So I mean room for improvement. We kind of needed sort of batching on that. I think
Tom might need some help with that fit
Adding everything up and batching it into transactions and throwing it out would be I think much faster than sort of doing it one at a time
Potentially save gas as well. I think he's got that on the development
path just a lot of things to take care of but
It's a great term. I really love the interface. It's so clean and it's pretty intuitive. He's done a great job
You guys know a steak free
Sure, I mean, I've seen the validator in the list. Yeah, yeah, he's been using
Tom's sort of UI to build a
Complete view of your wallet
And so he had built like yesterday, but restake just shipped today
Using Tom's like code and overall platform. I think that's just fantastic that
you know
Someone was able to build something using the
existing code
I mean, it's gonna be also interested like I
Like what we were talking about earlier with like how early we are on the rug pulling
the the more positive corollary of that I think
It's so early think of all the innovation in rug pulling
It's really just make me so excited. They're like fucking s tier rug pulls. We're gonna see
Obviously the rug pulls back, but like a more positive version of this is like I think so
Let's let's try and be holistically wholesome, right? I feel challenged
I'm
I mean this is already the holistically wholesome lavender five holistically wholesome
Description on his validator now
You start tweeting at you, but like you made like one of the things I think that you know, I've always been trying to do is to like kind of
Be as good as we can about making the ecosystem approachable whether that's for validators which I think we have done like people keep telling us our docs are
Pretty good and that they use them for other chains and stuff and you know, we've sort of also seen
Other chains using bits and pieces of our docs and obviously a lot of our docs are not just from from one place like
Your stargaze helped with some early versions of the Juno docs and blah blah blah like like one of the big things that like Juno's been focused on whether it's docs whether it's people whether it's whatever is getting people into the ecosystem to do
XYZ from
Other walks of technical life or maybe not technical life at all, you know, non-engineers and whatnot and
Obviously Tom
Is it's not a newcomer to any of this stuff, but the fact that there is now like this kind of bed of tech that is now been developed for the ecosystem and it's spanning things like
Validator tooling RPC tooling smart contracts and lots of stuff. I
Genuinely think like this year we're going to see and I think we already are seeing that this a huge huge increase of
tooling and cool stuff available purely because
It's not like you have to
Start from absolute zero, you know, right?
Like even like even an absolutely stupid thing would be like for us. We launched name service. It's quite a naughty small project in the grandest team of things but
There's a whole bunch of other stuff we're working on with other teams who people want to integrate with it or build additional products on top or whatever
And just like there was one where we literally just were able to copy and paste that code delete everything that wasn't related to the
the core
This is how you get up and running with Cosmos and
Just move on and they like that done anybody could fork that code and do exactly the same thing like test scripts deploy scripts that are in
The name the next name service test script is actually how we see I Juno
For example for for smart contracts because again had to write it once didn't want to do that
Again, it's I actually this doesn't the job we need
Dowdow's similar they did only actually again a lot of the name service test script stuff was based on stuff that Ben 2x4 wrote for
Juno swap and then it made it into Dowdow and then made into name service and it just gets refined
Every time somebody else has hands on it, right?
And and all this sort of stuff, you know, like the like, you know, you guys have all done test nets for the Juno, right?
You know the the test net CI stuff, which is all about validating and running test nets quickly. That's
several
Versions of remove a waste from something. I think regen used, you know, and I don't know like I'm kind of really excited by that now that we're maybe
We're like beginning to be at like a critical mass of engineers point where all of this tooling is just going to come on really really quickly
I don't know what you guys think about that. Well, I think another point to be brought into that is Cosmos is interesting
because if you join the Cosmos as an engineer, you're already kind of joining this massive scale. If you join, say near near fantastic. I absolutely love near
But you're still kind of relegated to this one chain was Cosmos as soon as you create one tool, you can really jack it into all these different chains.
I think there's something really special to be said about that
Maybe I kind of got a little topic
But I think you the the model of the Cosmos SDK and starport being able to just like launch your own chain
Whether you have extensive experience in blockchain or you're brand new to it
It's able to connect you with just like this amazing group of individuals that are
Selfless and want to see the technology progress. And so I think that you know echoing your point
Where the where we as validators are providing one
Shred of the one shard of the infrastructure needed to actually run the chain
There's now the opportunity to build all these tools on top of it. And so I think we're going to see a
You know
Just an explosion to follow the sort of burst of map of zones activity
In the tooling that then supports it
So I think this is actually probably a good point to
Where we're trying to impose a format on these on the podcast as we do it and we're going to do this every week
at 2300 UTC
Right here on this channel
But we have a final question
For this first episode, which I think given how whole holistically wholesome
That I think I'd like to ask everybody else on here. You know like
You know especially and especially I think we need like this kind of positivity as well because I think the last week has been very publicly contentious
What?
We talk about what cousin what about?
I wonder why
So so hang on before you so potentially the fray we should just
Say that we purposely haven't talked about that on this perfectly. If not talked about it. Yeah
So we're not we're not ignoring it. We haven't talked about it because it's already
Uh, so I think everything that can be said about it
Has been said
A Twitter it's so polarizing that you know
We just yeah, don't really want to talk about that here, but I think um, so
Just going on with your final question that you were going to ask
To everybody about uh, what we're most excited about. Yeah in the cosmos
Going, you know for the next week. Well, I'm gonna butt in and say so I can you know win and say that I got it first
Is that I'm actually most excited to see more development in the
In the governance area of cosmos
certainly like
you know
at least
Chains having some sort of structure around themselves like the
Constitutions that we're seeing starting to come forward and potentially some development of the governance module
that may allow for some different parameters in in voting rather than just the one set hard parameters because
um, you know in proposals like recent ones that we've seen
Maybe three days isn't enough. Maybe, you know, that needs a different
uh amount of quorum. Maybe it needs a different amount of
You know pass vote
Uh, it's it's not a one thing fits everything type of situation. So I'm excited to see some development in governance
And I'm excited to see where it leads to
Sorry to cut you off
well, I mean that's that's that's a really good answer and
Uh, I'll go and then I'll hand it over to to other people on the call. Uh, yeah, I think
One of the things that's been most exciting about governance about about prop 16 is seeing
The limits of this system that we're working in and also the the fact that like you say there are limitations to
The way we can do governance
but there are really interesting and quite obvious paths
For how that stuff might work in future and you know, that's what we were talking about earlier as well
You know the stuff with stargaze and their phenomenal
Genesys mint that was really exciting. There are more minutes to come in stargaze. That's you know, a thing that I'm really excited about
But I think it's the the the combination of what we've seen on stargaze, which is like how how we provision infrastructure
to do next-gen projects
and
How we do governance to do
Well, maybe not next-gen governance, but certainly on-chain governance in the way you describe now
Um is actually a lot of that stuff is what I'm working on behind the scenes at the moment
Is there's nothing I can really announce on that yet, but there's some
But that's certainly what's exciting to me about this whole prop 16 situation is it's kind of validated
For me a lot of thoughts that I'd had and I've sort of seen them play out and I'm now like, okay
I am working on something that you know, maybe has value here. So
Um, that's I'm also excited about similar stuff. I think um
Jabby, would you like to go next? I'm guessing you're excited about your final
10 000
Pup pup moss subs face reveal, right?
Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. Um
I mean, I'm most excited about pup most finally revealing
What pup most is I mean we've read the white pupper
Some of us have translated it into pup speak
I have I have no idea what exactly to expect
But um, yeah, I mean, I think the the release of pup most or
Or whatever, you know that that that stems from it is probably the most exciting
I just figured out how to do that by the way is double click comes up
I'll give that a go
It's amazing. Shilty
Uh
What we're excited for with how it relates to prop 16 or just in general?
No, I know just in general of the cosmos. Okay, so we're going for the next week because I'm gonna ask you again. Well, the Friday's gonna ask you again next week
Uh, I've got nothing for the next week specifically, but man, I had a meeting with the uh,
entertainment foundation today and we talked a bunch about
entertainment accounts and
First of all as a relayer this puts the absolute fear in me right now relaying is absurdly expensive
And this will just like ramp it up to a thousand whereas right now it's at like two
But like for the long-term vision of the cosmos. I think that this is going to be just
Absolutely incredible. It's gonna be so cool whenever, you know the concept of the cosmos hub can be truly like the cosmos
Have you have your atom account, but it can control anything you have or all of the different chains and that kind of sounds
You know
Not that amazing at first glance, but thinking about what kind of like daps you could interact about having to
Like visibly change accounts. It's just I'm so excited for it. I think it's gonna be
Absolutely incredible. I think it's really gonna help differentiate
The cosmos even further
Awesome
You said you're thinking
I'm sorry or no, I was thinking for this week. I think all all four of your answers are really really strong
And things I'm looking forward to as well. I think the governance one will be longer than a week
Um, it seems like that might be dragged till the end of this year or early next year. Oh, Joe this left
Um, I think this week I'm hoping for some movement on edmos
Um, we've had a stall here. I'll be you guys know a couple weeks ago and
And the team is I think spending the time and the effort to to regroup and do it right and they've kind of been in
They've been in the tank as you call it, right and trying to decide what's next and those types of things
So I'm hoping to see some
some
um, kind of direction out of that group and and figure out where we're going from here because that
Obviously that that project has a lot of potential and it has a lot of value to the ecosystem
So I'm hoping to see like some stability and kind of get away from
You know, I think we're kind of rushing towards down this path and throwing things out and trying to get to do
What we needed to do and next thing you know, we're stalled and everything else is over. So I'm hoping I'm hoping that
We've learned some lessons as a group from that and now that thing, you know, kind of takes off because it's a valuable
It's a valuable, you know inclusion to this ecosystem, and I'm hoping that it goes somewhere. So that's my hope for this week
I think that's a really great call out. I was deeply afraid that they were going to like try and
Jumpstart it like two days after it right right?
Oh, this isn't going to go great
But the fact that they're taking a step back and reconsidering and regrouping I think is a
In my opinion a really positive sign
Absolutely. Yeah
Yeah, yeah impressed that they're standing back and thinking about it before just aping into getting it going again. Exactly
Yeah, um, because they were like, you know
As you say, uh, you said there's a lot of lessons learned
in that environment when something goes wrong and maybe
You know other chains can learn for this or even other validators about when things start to go pear shape
Maybe it's just better to step back and say look, you know have some leadership and and
the chain devs are something saying, you know things aren't going right
Maybe we should step back a little bit and um come up with a new time and we'll you know try to restart it because
We end up in this situation where
Um, you know everyone's at different stages and the chain starts to stall and it's just almost irrecoverable
and I think
You know that needs to be looked into more
Yeah, I think sometimes people can kind of view in these situations like validators as a all validators are one thing
And I'm just talking to one
But like these types of coordination across a hundred or 125 or 150 different groups across
You know how many time zones and trying to communicate and
Like it is is that much of a people problem that is a technology problem?
It's probably I would think it's probably 80 people and 20 technology honestly and just getting communication and how do you
How do you coordinate across this many people across this many?
This you know half or sleep and this and that and everything else. It's a really difficult problem. And so
clear communication slow steps like this
It's a really important piece out of all this and so
I think they I think they clearly learned that lesson
not like the way that you want to learn it but but
But
Clearly it was a tough situation with trying to push out a security
Update and everything else with that but still that that doesn't necessarily mean that you can get
60 some percent of validators to do exactly what you want to do at the time you want to do it because that doesn't happen
All right, and there there is no contingency plan on you throw the new binary at it and then
Yeah, they don't
Yeah, if you don't do it then just stop then sometimes it's it always seems like we're one away
Like we see one more person that wake up or it's always it's always one more. I see we see one more
66 is like my nightmare number
Or like 69 and then you're like
Oh, like 69 and then you're like why didn't it stop?
Yeah, it's a different number. Yeah during curve race. It was like 69.69 and like 18 of us were like
nice
Well while it stops. Yeah exactly
Yeah, um mad cat down there with pop most is
He can come on as he gets it's win at this call. He's already here. He's down
There's already he's already here. He's down there. He's very sneaky. Oh wait
I've just realized of course they've probably done that thing where we are all seeing a different tiling of everybody, aren't we?
Could be
Everybody points to pop moss
Down that that way over there, right?
Oh, yeah, I think I think I think it's backwards. Yeah
Um, there you go mad cat. Does that answer your question? Where is it?
Not pop moss. You keep saying that it's a typical pop moss thing to say
That is exactly what pop moss should say. I've seen the life of brian. I know how this goes
I am the messiah. He is the messiah. Oh
So um for next week, uh, so jack's gonna join us next week
Uh, he's gonna be a regular on the show as well and some people have asked if we will get guests
I think we will um potentially try and have some guests on you
Even if they're just like poppins and not here for the for the whole thing or if they want to be here for the whole thing
But if anyone is out here and wants to actually be sorry
I've checked the terms of service and we can apparently have up to 10 people on this mad
Mad show
Break stream yard, so um
Um, yeah, we we can definitely have guests and it will be
crazy
So I think um, I think we're we're open to that right uh the fray so anyone who wants to be a guest on the show
Contact any of us. Um
Probably, you know directed it. Uh, probably me or the fray
There we go
and uh
Oh whisper nodes on here we go
There we go
And even with whisper node
It's gonna be singing all the hits
From the rap pack obviously
So I'll put in the yes
yes
Whisper node
Yeah, and if anybody else has any uh any suggestions for topics they want to cover things they want to ask, you know
From for us as validators or obviously we all do various other things jabbies pup moss, of course
I do decentralized name service
Shultz is also doing uh dev and various other guys's including
Cat you are helping some stuff out with strange love, right?
I am jabbies doing stuff with strange love, I believe yeah show us jabbies doing stuff with strange love so
Various people various projects if you have questions
um
Ask us on twitter and we can raise them on the show or we can put them as topics for the next show
We're we're still kind of working out the format a little bit. So tell us what was interesting
Tell us what was less interesting
And we can kind of refine what we're doing here a little bit so that everybody's getting their money's worth because
Depending on your time zone. I appreciate that certainly for me. It is midnight now. So, uh,
I totally appreciate anybody in the europe time zone who has bothered to listen to us
Uh this later tonight. Thank you very much for listening. I'm I'm nearing midday and it's been fantastic that it's not 3am
I
I don't
I totally just ruined your sign off chain upgrades though. You know, we're gonna
If I ever launch a chain you're up at 3am every upgrade every upgrade
I I I absolutely love the fact that I am actually planning a test that I think you're in
no in the next week
And I have the power to decide when you shall be up for it. So
These thing is an exceptional time to do anything. I think it is
Yeah, I that's definitely what I've just written in the genesis file
2300 utc a very rational time for a british person on utc to write
perfect
100 percent 100 percent of time i'm gonna go for
Um, so yeah to address the questions in the comments. This will be a weekly podcast. It's going to be the same time every week
2300 hours utc
on a wednesday
Yes, we sometimes will have guests on
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We don't have a twitter for the show exactly but we have individual twitters for everybody on this show
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On the show and I think that's about it. Does anybody else have anything else to want to say before we sort off and I go to bed
Uh, well just on the back of that. We I think we should probably um throw up a
I'm not gonna say yeah, uh
I
was
It's a point you have to say it right then
No, well, uh, I guess we'll get no i'm not even gonna say it
Sign off
Thanks everybody for uh
For coming to see us
See you next week. Bye