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whatever the kids are

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calling it these days.

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Yeah.

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And Juno was sitting at like,

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seventy grand.

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It was firmly on the kill list.

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And now it's like, four hundred.

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I'm like, maybe I'll make ten bucks.

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Yeah,

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but you're still not going to make

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back the money for your server, are you?

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Really?

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Oh, well, maybe.

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It is just, it is just a VM.

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sitting on some other thing

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so oh oh because you moved

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everything over right it

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cost me once well I mean if

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we're amortizing hardware

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and fucking uh the monthly

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cost of the internet it is

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a very expensive vm at the

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moment if I play hey

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But, you know, it's, fuck,

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I had some of those sweet,

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sweet rewards that I went

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and collected and fucked off real quick.

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Fuck my ass, man.

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So now it can cover the cost

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of my Raspberry Pi.

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A weekly podcast from

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independent validated teams.

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And of course,

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this week we are talking about what else?

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But Juno to the moon-o.

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To the moon.

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To the moon.

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The blocks must go on.

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And crucially,

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the degeneracy of Noel's

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self-hosted Raspberry Pi must go on.

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Could you, could you, I mean, no,

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I was about to say, could you,

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could you host it on a Raspberry Pi?

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But no, you can't because it,

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I think WASM doesn't,

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WASMA or the underlying

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WASM engine doesn't run on ARM devices,

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right?

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I don't know, actually.

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Or is that now, I mean,

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that might be very old news.

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It might now run on a Raspberry Pi,

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in which case.

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Well, the Ampere chip,

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the Ampere chip is like

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quite popular in some cases.

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And maybe they've, you know,

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done some work to be able

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to support that.

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If that's the case,

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likely that it would run on

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a Raspberry Pi.

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I should ask Simon about that.

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I have fucked with that amp

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here a little bit,

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but I haven't run any

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Cosmos chains on it.

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It would be quite funny if

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it now did run around the Raspberry Pi,

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that's all I'm saying.

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Just after we wound down our

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Juno validator,

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we discovered we could have

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run it on a Raspberry Pi after all.

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wouldn't be good for the brand image.

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You couldn't run Juno on a Raspberry Pi.

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I bet you could run it on a five.

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I bet you could.

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Well,

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I think single cord is actually

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pretty decent.

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I bet you could.

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I bet you could.

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I mean,

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it sounds like a challenge for SERP.

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I only have an RSP Pi's

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fours lying around.

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And they get quite hot

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because I use them all with PoE hats.

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So they're not exactly cool puppies.

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So I'm sure they're cool.

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Arrow over Ethernet, baby.

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okay that's more uh you

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don't know about poe life

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oh fuck it's a way to go

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poe switch down in the shed

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anything that I can I plug

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into that fucking thing

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it's great whereas hang on

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wait p power over ethernet not yeah

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It just uses the dead cables

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on a regular gigabit,

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a regular cat five or cat five E plus six,

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whatever you want.

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And you inject up to, I think it's like,

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I forget what the,

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I always forget what the

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different POE plus T and all that shit is,

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but I think you can get up

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to almost forty eight volts across those.

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And then on the other side,

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some machines just take

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power off those pins.

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Like we have all our access

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points and all that shit are all PoE,

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right?

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They just run off that.

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Or other ones, you can split it out.

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You can split it out into

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like a barrel plug,

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which I'm guessing that's

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what Noel's doing with his raspberries.

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I don't think the raspberry

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takes PoE naturally, does it?

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Uh, no, but I've got hats for it.

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So they, um,

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they go on the GPIO plugs and

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they do some magic.

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That works too.

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Or you could, or they,

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they just splits out.

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You can plug in the ethernet.

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It has like a little thing.

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It just splits it out into a

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barrel and an ethernet plug.

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So you're not sticking forty

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volts across the ethernet.

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Yeah.

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I could go and get one and show you.

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I've got some splitters somewhere.

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Everybody knows what this is

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except for Frey.

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yeah this is amazing it's

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amazing you've made it this

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far into your life that

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knowing about poe yeah no

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but my point my point is I

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should have probably asked

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the actual question that I

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wanted to get to rather

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than the question that's

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kind of adjacent to the

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question I want to get to

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which is what do you

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actually what are you

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actually accomplishing

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accomplishing with this

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what are all the raspberry

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pies lit around the place

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doing oh well you know

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they're just handy for shit

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they're just they're just

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what handy they're handy

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you know handy for what shit

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It's like, oh, well, actually,

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one runs Home Assistant.

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I assume that, Serp,

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you got one running Home Assistant?

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No.

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On a VM?

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No,

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it's just on a VM on a Proxmox box here.

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I have one running Home Assistant as well.

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I don't have a Proxmox box in my house.

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So, Schultz,

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did you say you're also

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running Home Assistant on a Raspberry Pi?

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Yeah, I've got a five, though.

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But, yeah.

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I'm actually upgrading to a new Mac.

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A baller with a Raspberry Pi five.

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Fucking hell.

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All mine run music shit.

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That's it.

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Music?

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Oh, right.

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Yeah.

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They all run either rune

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endpoints or things like

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that that then plug into

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DACs that plugs into amps.

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So for upstairs and then for

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a backyard and for here in the office,

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actually, I have one sitting over there.

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For our resident audiophile.

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I've seen your fucking stereo room.

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Yeah.

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I can't even call it a home theater.

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It's a stereo room.

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Yeah, there's no TV in here.

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Just music.

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Just music.

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Is that in your office?

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Is that off to the right there?

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Yeah, it's over there.

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By the fireplace?

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Was there a nice fire around the speakers?

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Or it's just a wall of speakers?

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Upstairs, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I spent so much time trying

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to figure that shit out.

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And in the end, you know, I did.

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Hmm.

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I just have two sets of speakers.

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I have studio monitors here

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and a subwoofer here.

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And the ideal listening

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place is literally there.

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So even when you're just

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typing at the desk here,

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it's like you're close

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enough to the ideal listening place.

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And then downstairs,

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I just have a full hi-fi setup.

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And that does have...

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a little Yamaha thing that

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just basically allows you to cast

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what's it called the not

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bluetooth because bluetooth

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is shit but um airplay oh

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yeah just creates an

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airplay zone on that wi-fi

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network um and that like it

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was fucking not cheap it

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was like a hundred and

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something quid a few years

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ago so it's like maybe

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double the price of

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raspberry pi but you

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configure it once it just

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fucking works it's just

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like an appliance yeah yeah

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yeah exactly and you just

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plug it into your um

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your amplifier in the in

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like the line in and it

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just goes okay cool fuck it

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you just cast to it from

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anything that has airplay

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anyway when you're on the

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network and that's like ah

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finally solved my shit and

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I was like right I can

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dismantle all my arduinos

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and raspberry pi's and

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bullshit just to get music

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into the speakers um but it

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didn't change the fact that

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the office is like two

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stories above the living

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room and whatnot and it's

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like fucking some by

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speakers are upstairs

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Shiltsy,

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what's your home assistant game like?

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Poor.

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It's quite poor right now.

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Yeah, I mean,

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I moved into this place for

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all of six hours before Mr.

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Baby started knocking on the door.

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So it should be better.

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And I have a lot of things... Yeah,

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still knocking.

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I should have a lot of things set up.

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Like I've got the previous house.

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I had like the water main.

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If water was detected like in the bathroom,

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it would shut off the water

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main kind of thing.

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Other things like that.

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But this house...

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Nothing.

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It has almost assistant

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running and that's literally it.

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There's nothing connected to it.

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I think we are like in a

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relatively similar

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situation where we moved in

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and then the baby, um,

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I did plug one in and I had

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some shit that was already networkable.

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So my AC runs on it,

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which is pretty handy.

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That's cool.

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But other than that, not much.

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I am going to go get a three

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phase power shunt so I can

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start metering the power,

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which might help me do a few automations.

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um and you have and also

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like you know I can I can

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meter the power already off

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of my uh my poe switch for

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the different balls and you

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have solar at the house don't you

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Yeah.

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So that's what I want to try

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and strike some balance

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between the things that run

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during the day and the solar.

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Right.

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So like, you know,

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I don't like giving back to

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the grid because we don't

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really get paid much for it here.

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It's like a cent or whatever per kilowatt.

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And it costs me like fifty.

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So whether I need it or not.

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I want to have the AC

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running all the time.

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We have this cool program

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here for solar because we

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have solar panels as well

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where you can opt to get

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paid for it or you can opt

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to have it put towards for

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a one to one towards like some,

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I don't know,

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low income family or something.

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It's like your solar.

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If you share more than you want,

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then it'll go towards someone.

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I don't know who.

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You can gift your power.

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to like get your power that

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you're generating a fox

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just walks up to my front

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door that's pretty cool

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yeah that's that's cool I

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just I just got a

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notification and I I

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thought it was I thought it

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was my other half uh

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getting back and I was like

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oh I'm gonna have to just

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quickly step out for a

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second so I better check

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what it is and a fox just

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walked up to my front door

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looked directly into the

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security light which is

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also the camera and then

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slowly walked away

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into an orange box just to Fox.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That was super weird.

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I was just like, yeah, that's cool.

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He or she just wandered up,

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went motherfucker and then walked off.

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I see you.

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I can't see anything about

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cause and wasm and an arm.

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I don't, I don't know.

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Yeah.

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I vaguely remember there

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might've been experimental support,

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but it wasn't fully, uh,

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it wasn't fully supported anyway, anyway,

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anyway.

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so do you know to the moon

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obviously it's turned

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around it's back we're back

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baby we're so back well I

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think it I think it's done

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an about turn again because

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it's done about time what's

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what's the price what's the

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price as as of now we go

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live to null watch your

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team thirty nine cents so

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thirty nine cents what was

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it up to yesterday sixty

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three yeah mid sixty somewhere there yeah

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so I'm going to roll back

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but I mean and I mean it

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was eight cents before it

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was a fair bit well yeah I

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mean anything's less than

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seven or something

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anything's benefit at this

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point um it must have been

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hold for a while though was

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it it was like in the

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fifties all day it just

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went down to thirty nine

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cents in the last little

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bit I mean there's not much

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liquidity so I guess

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obviously it moves a lot

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right still if you just

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wait for doll to sell and

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it just collapsed exactly

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I mean, I stole my rewards.

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I wasn't going to miss that opportunity.

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If there was someone wanting it that bad,

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they could have mine.

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Oh,

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did you actually sell them yesterday

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then?

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Sixty-three cents.

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You sold them at sixty-three?

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Sixty-three cents, nice.

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Top of the market, baby.

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I thought you only sold at

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the bottom of the market.

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That was the deal.

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Well,

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that's how I help get out of the slump.

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And then occasionally I have

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to have a win.

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I only do my mass dumping at

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the bottom of the market.

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It's just the small rewards at the time.

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I really have to shake out

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that bottom section.

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The real question is, when is stars?

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If whoever's behind the price manipulation,

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should this ever be used in

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evidence in court?

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I should say in advance, obviously,

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this is satire.

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I'm being facetious.

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But also,

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if whoever's manipulating the price,

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if they could manipulate

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the star's price up a bit,

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that would be lovely stuff.

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Just saying.

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Just sitting on a bag, are you?

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Just like, do you not know?

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I'm sitting,

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we are sitting on a bag that

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is comparable to the big

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balls blockchain bag that

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you're sitting on, I would imagine.

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Genesis Validator.

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Yeah, Genesis Validator.

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You're in the test now.

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Yeah, but I mean, in today's money,

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you could buy that again,

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like with your pocket lint.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, the irony is, right,

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you could probably buy

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everything we've ever

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earned on Stargaze with a

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fraction of what part of

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liquid stuff would have

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been with the Juno pump

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yesterday because everything is so down,

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I would guess, right?

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How many?

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Damn bad, baby.

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Well, yeah,

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like a million stars is how

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much right now?

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About five K. Oh, no, it's less than that,

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isn't it?

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Yeah, it wouldn't be much.

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It would be.

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Oh, no, you're right.

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Six thousand bucks.

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Yeah, you're right.

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Six thousand dollars for a million stars.

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There you go.

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So what was that?

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Three years of running a

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validator on star stargaze

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for six thousand dollars.

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At.

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Let's not even think about

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how expensive the boxes

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were when we ran them on AWS.

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Anyway, I can do that.

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That's your fault for running shit on AWS.

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Well, you know,

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the problem is I didn't

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adjust quickly enough to spring, twenty,

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twenty two prices becoming not spring,

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twenty, twenty two prices.

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And there was like a good

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nine month lag there where

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things were still on AWS

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because it was like, well, you know,

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this is a temporary blip.

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rather than this is we're

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never going to make money

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on these networks again.

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So is there any knowledge or

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understanding of what's going on here?

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Has Rama done any detailed

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research to figure out what

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the hell's going on with this?

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Detailed sleuthing?

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Source of these funds.

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I know it mentioned that it

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was a bunch of Atom that

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was getting... I think

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Jabby actually did a little

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bit of sleuthing in the channel,

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but I think he was

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determining that there was

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some Atom wallet that was doing swaps,

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I assume on osmosis, right?

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I think is what it was.

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Yeah.

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Adam stars liquidity pool and,

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and buying stars up and blah, blah, blah,

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and driving it up there.

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But yeah, it looked like it from memory.

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There was quite a lot of

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switcherooing going on.

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That's the technical term,

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but it was fire.

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Yeah, but it was fire.

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It was on set is on sexes.

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It wasn't on a deck.

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So I don't think,

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I think it was specifically on cracking,

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wasn't it?

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I don't know, actually.

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Kraken had the highest volume.

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I believe there was some action on the...

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cracking wallet back and forth.

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Right.

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Cause there was somebody

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that I think you thought it was,

00:16:06.073 --> 00:16:08.274
might've been, it might've been, uh,

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it might've been themselves or something.

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Right.

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Roma says, uh, Ray had a look,

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most likely a Cosmos OG

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post-human doing a lot of the pump,

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probably some insider

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buying for whatever core

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zero think is going on.

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Um,

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Who the fuck is ProZero?

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But the post-human thing... I mean,

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I don't know if there's any

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more data to this.

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The only thing that I saw

00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:34.283
was related to post-human

00:16:34.322 --> 00:16:35.345
was that there was...

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I think on the atom wallet

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that was doing a bunch of swaps,

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they had like five hundred

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atoms staked to post-human.

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That's the only thing I saw

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that was even tied to that.

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But unless unless there was

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more data that actually showed, you know,

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showed that there was all

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one without the members or

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zeros core one without the members.

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Yeah.

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And Robert says Kraken

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Wallet was just the sex doing arbitrage,

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which makes sense.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that that part makes sense.

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And the fact that it was like the most

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the most uh what did it say

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what was well I forget what

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was she'll see if it was

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like the most traded on

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kraken or the or is this

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the biggest I forget what

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the hell there it was well

00:17:16.449 --> 00:17:17.309
basically if you logged

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into kraken yesterday into

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kraken pro um juno was the

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top of the list of coins

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I think potentially both,

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I think just by number of,

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because that list can't be via liquidity,

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because otherwise it would just always be,

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sorry, it can't be by value,

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because otherwise it would

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just be like Ethereum or whatever.

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So it must have been just

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like pure number of trades

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or something like that,

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because that would kind of

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make sense if it was like Arbing,

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because it would likely be

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lots of small bot trades.

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via the API or something like that.

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Yep.

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He says it only took ten million dollars.

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Is that right?

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Was it ten million dollars?

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Yeah,

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ten million dollars was pumped into

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the Juno ecosystem.

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That's what it was.

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Holy shit.

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It was quite a lot of money,

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given where we are now.

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Well, I don't know about that.

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It says it only took ten

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million dollars for Juno to pump it.

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Ten million dollars of trading.

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You could be wash trading it up.

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true yeah doesn't

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necessarily yeah or ten

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million dollars in volume

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yeah or whatever um still I

00:18:36.494 --> 00:18:37.355
guess that's not I mean

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it's a pretty large

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obviously it went that's

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eight x so that's it's

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pretty pretty decent about

00:18:43.700 --> 00:18:44.559
about a bump for

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considering the uh the

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amount of money involved or

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the least amount of trading involved

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And considering the use case of Juno?

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Well, I mean, that's... Hey, hey.

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The use case of Juno... Juno

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has... Juno's finally found a use case,

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shorty.

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being run raspberry pi I was

00:19:06.214 --> 00:19:06.875
hoping to think of

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something funny before

00:19:08.195 --> 00:19:10.396
before before you then

00:19:10.517 --> 00:19:12.077
asked me and I didn't have

00:19:12.097 --> 00:19:14.898
a punch line to that um

00:19:14.959 --> 00:19:21.623
wash trading scam case

00:19:21.663 --> 00:19:23.262
study in my paper that's

00:19:23.303 --> 00:19:24.104
actually a pretty good case

00:19:24.124 --> 00:19:25.904
study a pretty good use case

00:19:28.641 --> 00:19:29.060
What else?

00:19:29.101 --> 00:19:29.681
Wash trading?

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Yeah.

00:19:31.942 --> 00:19:33.722
Wash trading is a form of laundering.

00:19:33.982 --> 00:19:34.442
Perfect.

00:19:35.803 --> 00:19:38.804
Ah, do you know what's happened this week?

00:19:39.005 --> 00:19:40.744
I'm pretty sure we're going

00:19:40.765 --> 00:19:41.865
to get debanked again.

00:19:42.026 --> 00:19:44.526
I don't know what it is about November,

00:19:44.566 --> 00:19:46.086
but every year in November,

00:19:46.166 --> 00:19:47.727
somebody tries to debank us.

00:19:47.906 --> 00:19:48.127
So...

00:19:51.993 --> 00:19:52.714
But you know what the funny

00:19:52.734 --> 00:19:54.135
thing about getting debunked is,

00:19:54.375 --> 00:19:55.277
and I think you fellas have

00:19:55.317 --> 00:19:56.778
all had this at some point

00:19:56.817 --> 00:19:58.778
to a lesser or greater extent, is that

00:19:59.978 --> 00:20:01.378
Once you've had a bank try

00:20:01.398 --> 00:20:02.420
and debank you once,

00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:03.540
you start being more

00:20:03.580 --> 00:20:04.882
paranoid about the way you

00:20:04.922 --> 00:20:06.042
bank as a business.

00:20:06.702 --> 00:20:07.903
And you start to act in a

00:20:07.943 --> 00:20:09.565
more sus way towards your bank.

00:20:09.704 --> 00:20:11.747
And then it sort of becomes

00:20:11.767 --> 00:20:12.928
a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:20:12.968 --> 00:20:16.830
Because then you've got like, oh, well,

00:20:16.971 --> 00:20:18.451
we've seen that your

00:20:18.511 --> 00:20:19.792
company has deposited money

00:20:19.853 --> 00:20:20.814
from this other account

00:20:20.834 --> 00:20:21.854
that your company holds.

00:20:22.295 --> 00:20:23.375
We need to see some record

00:20:23.414 --> 00:20:24.236
of where the funds come

00:20:24.256 --> 00:20:24.977
from in that account.

00:20:25.057 --> 00:20:26.278
And then you hand over those.

00:20:26.597 --> 00:20:27.458
You go, fair enough,

00:20:27.578 --> 00:20:28.378
anti-money laundering.

00:20:28.419 --> 00:20:29.279
I get why you're doing this.

00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:30.701
you hand over a statement

00:20:30.780 --> 00:20:32.021
and they go like all the

00:20:32.041 --> 00:20:33.603
funds in this account just

00:20:33.643 --> 00:20:34.923
from another account owned

00:20:34.943 --> 00:20:36.605
by the company you're like

00:20:36.625 --> 00:20:38.006
we have many accounts as a

00:20:38.046 --> 00:20:39.767
company this is very normal

00:20:39.807 --> 00:20:40.968
behavior and they're just

00:20:41.008 --> 00:20:42.128
like this is not normal

00:20:42.169 --> 00:20:44.770
behavior you're like look

00:20:44.871 --> 00:20:45.851
either close down our

00:20:45.891 --> 00:20:47.451
account or just let us bank

00:20:47.511 --> 00:20:48.692
with you I just don't care

00:20:48.833 --> 00:20:50.615
I just don't really don't

00:20:50.634 --> 00:20:51.835
care like please just stop

00:20:51.855 --> 00:20:52.496
wasting our time

00:20:53.564 --> 00:20:54.845
But yes, we do look really sus.

00:20:55.045 --> 00:20:56.025
You're thinking we look sus.

00:20:56.766 --> 00:20:57.806
We look sus as fuck.

00:20:58.246 --> 00:21:00.166
But in our defense,

00:21:00.207 --> 00:21:01.528
we only look sus as fuck

00:21:01.567 --> 00:21:03.469
because you tried to debank

00:21:03.528 --> 00:21:04.730
us two years ago and we

00:21:04.769 --> 00:21:07.830
then had to split three to

00:21:07.851 --> 00:21:08.531
four months worth of

00:21:08.571 --> 00:21:09.692
operating revenue between

00:21:09.791 --> 00:21:11.993
four banks so that if you

00:21:12.034 --> 00:21:13.733
debanked us and locked our account,

00:21:13.773 --> 00:21:15.174
we could pay our AWS bill

00:21:15.315 --> 00:21:16.836
and our Aptos nodes wouldn't go down.

00:21:17.056 --> 00:21:18.237
You fucking idiots.

00:21:18.817 --> 00:21:20.576
So some would say that the

00:21:20.616 --> 00:21:21.557
reason we look sus is

00:21:21.577 --> 00:21:22.198
because you guys are

00:21:22.357 --> 00:21:24.278
fucking complete idiots and

00:21:24.298 --> 00:21:25.259
are shambles of a bank.

00:21:25.298 --> 00:21:26.278
And the only reason you're

00:21:26.318 --> 00:21:27.578
going completely apeshit

00:21:27.618 --> 00:21:29.900
ham on this bullshit KYC

00:21:29.940 --> 00:21:31.700
process is because it turned out,

00:21:31.940 --> 00:21:32.840
and I believe it came out

00:21:32.881 --> 00:21:33.881
in the Financial Times,

00:21:34.181 --> 00:21:35.320
that several large banks,

00:21:35.441 --> 00:21:36.622
especially starter banks

00:21:36.662 --> 00:21:37.922
and challenger banks in the UK,

00:21:38.821 --> 00:21:39.903
we happen to use one of them

00:21:39.923 --> 00:21:40.982
for one of our main accounts,

00:21:41.483 --> 00:21:42.844
weren't actually doing any

00:21:42.884 --> 00:21:45.065
kind of money laundering checks at all,

00:21:45.285 --> 00:21:47.165
and were facilitating scams and stuff.

00:21:47.385 --> 00:21:50.107
Now, as an actual limited company, where,

00:21:50.407 --> 00:21:51.028
to be fair,

00:21:51.208 --> 00:21:52.509
you can just literally fucking,

00:21:52.769 --> 00:21:54.609
if you are a bank, you are our bank,

00:21:54.750 --> 00:21:55.830
you can literally look up

00:21:55.971 --> 00:21:56.830
everything you need to know

00:21:56.871 --> 00:21:58.372
about us on Companies House.

00:21:59.682 --> 00:22:00.722
why the fuck are you wasting

00:22:00.762 --> 00:22:04.487
my time with this oh just

00:22:04.507 --> 00:22:05.087
look at our fucking

00:22:05.107 --> 00:22:06.829
accounts you have a login

00:22:06.910 --> 00:22:07.931
you must do because you're

00:22:07.951 --> 00:22:09.471
a regulated entity go to

00:22:09.531 --> 00:22:10.513
company's house with all

00:22:10.534 --> 00:22:11.354
the other information you

00:22:11.374 --> 00:22:12.435
know about us which we were

00:22:12.455 --> 00:22:13.517
obliged to provide to you

00:22:14.196 --> 00:22:17.161
and just fuck off like oh

00:22:17.260 --> 00:22:18.602
god anyway you're gonna

00:22:18.622 --> 00:22:20.364
send them this podcast I'm

00:22:20.384 --> 00:22:21.204
gonna send this podcast

00:22:22.288 --> 00:22:25.950
Are you upset by this?

00:22:26.170 --> 00:22:26.971
So the background here is

00:22:27.211 --> 00:22:28.550
actually I've had two of

00:22:28.590 --> 00:22:29.731
these in the last two weeks.

00:22:29.751 --> 00:22:31.613
So two of the four banks we

00:22:31.752 --> 00:22:34.294
use are currently debanked.

00:22:34.394 --> 00:22:35.994
No wonder you're getting fucking debanked.

00:22:36.474 --> 00:22:37.655
Everything you do creates...

00:22:40.838 --> 00:22:42.421
One of our banks, our bank,

00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:43.201
our main bank tries to

00:22:43.221 --> 00:22:44.282
debank us two years ago.

00:22:44.663 --> 00:22:46.345
And we,

00:22:46.404 --> 00:22:47.987
I had to immediately open another

00:22:48.007 --> 00:22:49.188
bank account so that we

00:22:49.208 --> 00:22:50.308
could effectively still

00:22:50.348 --> 00:22:51.250
have liquid funds because

00:22:51.269 --> 00:22:52.570
they were going to lock our account.

00:22:53.031 --> 00:22:53.652
Right.

00:22:53.672 --> 00:22:54.814
So I had to get a new bank account.

00:22:54.834 --> 00:22:55.213
They were like,

00:22:55.594 --> 00:22:56.515
you've got three days to

00:22:56.634 --> 00:22:57.296
lock your account.

00:22:57.355 --> 00:22:57.596
Right.

00:22:58.217 --> 00:23:00.077
And I was like, well, fuck,

00:23:00.117 --> 00:23:01.138
that's a big threat.

00:23:01.618 --> 00:23:03.200
So I opened another bank

00:23:03.220 --> 00:23:04.221
account the quickest I

00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:05.842
could at any other bank and

00:23:05.862 --> 00:23:07.102
immediately emptied the bank account.

00:23:07.142 --> 00:23:07.702
It went bam.

00:23:07.863 --> 00:23:08.262
And they were like,

00:23:08.303 --> 00:23:09.284
this is super fucking sus.

00:23:09.324 --> 00:23:10.324
What the fuck have you just done?

00:23:10.344 --> 00:23:12.204
And I was like, well,

00:23:12.224 --> 00:23:13.365
we're happy banking with you,

00:23:13.865 --> 00:23:15.907
but you need to not debank us.

00:23:16.028 --> 00:23:17.087
And blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:23:17.127 --> 00:23:18.148
Eventually we came back and

00:23:18.169 --> 00:23:19.509
we transferred some funds back in.

00:23:19.529 --> 00:23:20.529
But by that point we had two

00:23:20.549 --> 00:23:21.131
bank accounts.

00:23:22.028 --> 00:23:23.690
And then the second bank

00:23:23.750 --> 00:23:27.814
last year changed their

00:23:28.976 --> 00:23:30.156
terms of service and they

00:23:30.616 --> 00:23:31.518
stopped working with any

00:23:31.557 --> 00:23:32.459
company that does anything

00:23:32.479 --> 00:23:33.259
in the crypto industry.

00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:36.503
So we essentially stopped using them.

00:23:38.386 --> 00:23:40.627
uh and then but didn't close

00:23:40.667 --> 00:23:41.689
the account in case we have

00:23:41.989 --> 00:23:42.730
ever needed it because it's

00:23:42.750 --> 00:23:43.690
actually quite hard to open

00:23:43.869 --> 00:23:44.871
well it's faffed to open a

00:23:44.911 --> 00:23:46.211
bank account isn't it's no

00:23:46.352 --> 00:23:47.673
pain to leave it open if

00:23:47.692 --> 00:23:48.732
you're not paying any money

00:23:48.752 --> 00:23:50.513
for it right um so we had

00:23:50.534 --> 00:23:51.194
to open another bank

00:23:51.214 --> 00:23:51.755
account you kind of see

00:23:51.775 --> 00:23:52.335
where this is going this is

00:23:52.355 --> 00:23:52.996
how you end up with four

00:23:53.016 --> 00:23:54.757
bank accounts right yeah um

00:23:55.257 --> 00:23:56.478
So we have four.

00:23:57.779 --> 00:23:58.279
None of them got

00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:01.163
particularly much money in them.

00:24:01.242 --> 00:24:04.465
It's just one of those where

00:24:04.506 --> 00:24:05.445
everybody's kicking up a

00:24:05.486 --> 00:24:07.888
lot of fuss about something

00:24:07.909 --> 00:24:10.550
where you're like, look, dude,

00:24:10.570 --> 00:24:11.531
I read The Economist.

00:24:12.413 --> 00:24:13.153
Very occasionally,

00:24:13.173 --> 00:24:13.773
if there's absolutely

00:24:13.834 --> 00:24:14.433
nothing else to read,

00:24:14.454 --> 00:24:15.494
I read The Financial Times.

00:24:17.076 --> 00:24:18.117
The scale of fraud,

00:24:18.198 --> 00:24:19.078
the scale of money

00:24:19.118 --> 00:24:21.560
laundering that is actually going on.

00:24:23.803 --> 00:24:28.909
Just why are we... Meaning it's not large.

00:24:30.530 --> 00:24:31.332
It's really massive.

00:24:33.654 --> 00:24:34.776
The numbers are massive and

00:24:34.816 --> 00:24:35.457
it ain't fucking...

00:24:36.743 --> 00:24:38.964
It ain't fucking us who have

00:24:40.785 --> 00:24:43.205
very normal... Clearly it's

00:24:43.246 --> 00:24:44.286
companies that look like you.

00:24:45.566 --> 00:24:47.267
Yeah, well, yeah.

00:24:47.366 --> 00:24:48.186
Do you know what the irony

00:24:48.227 --> 00:24:49.247
of all of this shit is?

00:24:51.307 --> 00:24:54.348
So we've recently done a thing where...

00:24:55.088 --> 00:24:56.450
because of the consulting

00:24:56.529 --> 00:24:58.171
work we do which is

00:24:58.250 --> 00:24:59.632
typically typically with

00:24:59.711 --> 00:25:01.693
regulated entities we have

00:25:01.733 --> 00:25:04.095
to have really high uh we

00:25:04.134 --> 00:25:04.976
have like high burden of

00:25:05.016 --> 00:25:05.997
insurance because if

00:25:06.037 --> 00:25:08.238
something goes wrong like I

00:25:08.258 --> 00:25:09.098
don't know what the cost

00:25:09.118 --> 00:25:10.079
could be the cost could be

00:25:10.099 --> 00:25:11.339
you know and technical and

00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:14.403
all that yeah exactly and so um

00:25:15.632 --> 00:25:17.011
The insurance is quite expensive.

00:25:17.231 --> 00:25:18.432
And in the end,

00:25:18.472 --> 00:25:20.153
our accounts were just like, well, look,

00:25:20.173 --> 00:25:22.453
by the time you're putting this in,

00:25:23.173 --> 00:25:23.913
you may as well just

00:25:24.854 --> 00:25:26.413
restructure the company so

00:25:26.433 --> 00:25:27.154
that there's a trading

00:25:27.194 --> 00:25:28.115
company and there's a

00:25:28.174 --> 00:25:29.855
company where if you make any money,

00:25:30.295 --> 00:25:31.556
the other company takes the money.

00:25:31.576 --> 00:25:33.155
And so worst thing that

00:25:33.175 --> 00:25:34.215
happens is the liability is

00:25:34.256 --> 00:25:35.516
contained within the current company.

00:25:35.536 --> 00:25:37.037
You still need insurance, obviously,

00:25:37.096 --> 00:25:37.757
but it's like...

00:25:38.676 --> 00:25:39.196
Yeah,

00:25:39.417 --> 00:25:40.778
they can't cross LLC boundaries or

00:25:40.798 --> 00:25:42.138
whatever else because of the liability.

00:25:42.159 --> 00:25:42.419
Yeah, exactly.

00:25:42.439 --> 00:25:43.219
It's the same as the US, right?

00:25:43.719 --> 00:25:46.119
So sensible thing, you're like, okay,

00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:46.340
fine.

00:25:46.760 --> 00:25:49.241
Accountants, accounts is their thing,

00:25:49.281 --> 00:25:49.481
right?

00:25:49.602 --> 00:25:50.442
If they say that's the thing to do,

00:25:50.461 --> 00:25:51.063
it's the thing to do.

00:25:51.702 --> 00:25:53.683
And the irony is that that

00:25:53.784 --> 00:25:55.163
has been really good for

00:25:55.203 --> 00:25:57.444
limiting liability and that

00:25:57.464 --> 00:25:58.566
sort of stuff and just

00:25:58.605 --> 00:25:59.685
taking that level of stress

00:25:59.726 --> 00:26:00.926
out of a bunch of different things.

00:26:01.490 --> 00:26:03.932
But also that's happened

00:26:03.952 --> 00:26:05.513
between last round of being

00:26:05.554 --> 00:26:07.036
threatened to be debanked

00:26:07.736 --> 00:26:09.417
spring last year and this round.

00:26:09.877 --> 00:26:12.200
So now when people are like, oh,

00:26:12.740 --> 00:26:14.521
we've noticed that the

00:26:14.541 --> 00:26:16.002
funds for your company's

00:26:16.042 --> 00:26:16.763
account come from this

00:26:16.884 --> 00:26:19.144
other company account, that's a bit sus.

00:26:19.226 --> 00:26:20.286
And you're like, it's not really.

00:26:20.306 --> 00:26:20.666
And they're like,

00:26:21.290 --> 00:26:21.750
They're like, well,

00:26:21.770 --> 00:26:22.612
we're going to look into it.

00:26:22.731 --> 00:26:23.452
And then they look into it.

00:26:23.472 --> 00:26:23.712
They're like,

00:26:24.133 --> 00:26:24.953
we've also noticed your

00:26:24.993 --> 00:26:26.255
company structure has changed.

00:26:26.315 --> 00:26:27.776
And you're like,

00:26:28.017 --> 00:26:29.518
it's an administrative reason.

00:26:29.617 --> 00:26:30.598
Like, don't worry about it.

00:26:30.618 --> 00:26:32.720
They're like, why is there a whole?

00:26:32.740 --> 00:26:33.381
And you're just like, look,

00:26:33.401 --> 00:26:34.862
could you just stop fucking

00:26:35.021 --> 00:26:35.843
asking questions?

00:26:35.863 --> 00:26:37.544
You clearly don't want to

00:26:37.564 --> 00:26:38.765
know the answer to these questions.

00:26:38.785 --> 00:26:40.747
So I don't know why you're asking that.

00:26:40.787 --> 00:26:42.048
Here they wouldn't ask that detail.

00:26:42.127 --> 00:26:42.268
I mean,

00:26:42.288 --> 00:26:44.269
they would do a KYC and they could

00:26:44.369 --> 00:26:45.111
do their own research in

00:26:45.151 --> 00:26:46.010
terms of company ownership.

00:26:46.030 --> 00:26:46.751
But usually they don't get

00:26:46.771 --> 00:26:47.451
too far beyond that.

00:26:47.471 --> 00:26:50.474
They're not doing too much with that.

00:26:50.674 --> 00:26:51.635
I don't know if it's maybe

00:26:51.675 --> 00:26:53.817
because it was done while

00:26:54.237 --> 00:26:55.357
we already had accounts

00:26:55.377 --> 00:26:56.439
with these people and the

00:26:56.479 --> 00:26:58.200
company structure has changed underneath.

00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:00.441
And I think that's maybe

00:27:00.461 --> 00:27:01.582
made them shit the bed a little bit.

00:27:02.082 --> 00:27:04.603
But the irony here is that

00:27:05.003 --> 00:27:06.565
even if you're a small

00:27:06.625 --> 00:27:08.105
company or a micro company,

00:27:09.425 --> 00:27:10.467
you have to actually get

00:27:10.487 --> 00:27:13.009
this through the government.

00:27:13.489 --> 00:27:14.269
There's literally an office

00:27:14.288 --> 00:27:14.829
with companies.

00:27:14.849 --> 00:27:17.090
I think both Companies House and HMRC,

00:27:17.111 --> 00:27:20.133
the tax authority, both need to sign off

00:27:21.513 --> 00:27:22.534
on you doing the restructure

00:27:22.554 --> 00:27:23.714
and you need to get lawyers involved.

00:27:24.115 --> 00:27:25.576
So the irony of all of this, right,

00:27:25.636 --> 00:27:26.877
is that you're kind of getting these like,

00:27:26.917 --> 00:27:27.558
what are you doing?

00:27:27.578 --> 00:27:27.939
What are you doing?

00:27:27.979 --> 00:27:28.880
And you're just like, literally,

00:27:28.940 --> 00:27:30.760
like the people that you're

00:27:30.780 --> 00:27:31.821
trying to impress with this

00:27:32.102 --> 00:27:33.743
are the regulator, the tax authority,

00:27:33.763 --> 00:27:34.163
the whatever.

00:27:34.544 --> 00:27:35.484
They've already had to sign

00:27:35.545 --> 00:27:36.986
off on this change and

00:27:37.007 --> 00:27:37.807
we've had to provide them

00:27:37.946 --> 00:27:39.528
all the KYC documentation,

00:27:39.709 --> 00:27:40.449
all the legitimacy,

00:27:40.509 --> 00:27:41.609
all the business rationale.

00:27:46.074 --> 00:27:46.634
I don't know.

00:27:47.095 --> 00:27:48.576
It's just kind of, it's funny.

00:27:48.655 --> 00:27:48.816
Like,

00:27:50.255 --> 00:27:52.198
It's more funny and

00:27:52.337 --> 00:27:53.579
frustrating than it is like,

00:27:54.461 --> 00:27:55.000
because they're either

00:27:55.020 --> 00:27:56.323
already going to debank us or they're not,

00:27:56.363 --> 00:27:56.583
right?

00:27:56.722 --> 00:28:00.188
And, you know, that will be bad.

00:28:00.587 --> 00:28:03.811
But, oh, God, I just, oh, God,

00:28:03.912 --> 00:28:05.614
it's such a pain when your

00:28:05.653 --> 00:28:06.714
bank account gets frozen

00:28:07.056 --> 00:28:08.116
and you have servers that

00:28:08.136 --> 00:28:09.378
are coming out of that bank account.

00:28:09.872 --> 00:28:11.093
been lucky actually we got

00:28:11.212 --> 00:28:12.073
we got threatened once but

00:28:12.192 --> 00:28:13.354
we I fought it pretty hard

00:28:14.074 --> 00:28:15.634
um because yeah just yeah I

00:28:15.654 --> 00:28:17.215
just how did you go back on

00:28:17.236 --> 00:28:18.316
them did you just be like

00:28:18.855 --> 00:28:19.676
where does it say that

00:28:20.250 --> 00:28:20.630
No,

00:28:20.730 --> 00:28:24.473
they sent an email related to... I

00:28:24.493 --> 00:28:25.194
forget what it was.

00:28:26.076 --> 00:28:27.116
I forget even what their...

00:28:27.317 --> 00:28:28.838
It was something... It

00:28:28.858 --> 00:28:30.259
wasn't really a company structure.

00:28:31.060 --> 00:28:31.741
It might have been just

00:28:31.882 --> 00:28:33.542
crypto something or other.

00:28:36.246 --> 00:28:38.367
And I just fought them.

00:28:38.387 --> 00:28:39.489
I emailed them back and then we had a...

00:28:40.390 --> 00:28:41.191
well we did an onboarding

00:28:41.351 --> 00:28:43.451
call with some groups I I

00:28:43.491 --> 00:28:45.213
called those guys back um

00:28:45.273 --> 00:28:46.114
and tried to find somebody

00:28:46.134 --> 00:28:46.734
who was actually in a

00:28:46.894 --> 00:28:48.576
position of of knowledge

00:28:48.596 --> 00:28:50.037
around account structure

00:28:50.096 --> 00:28:52.159
and and and why this was

00:28:52.199 --> 00:28:53.339
and I provided more data

00:28:53.380 --> 00:28:54.319
and sources of revenue and

00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:55.141
all that kind of stuff and

00:28:55.681 --> 00:28:56.862
they're like oh okay and

00:28:56.882 --> 00:28:57.942
then they changed it so

00:28:57.962 --> 00:28:58.663
that was the end of that

00:28:58.763 --> 00:29:00.204
which was good um and then

00:29:00.244 --> 00:29:01.605
I just ended up then I do

00:29:01.625 --> 00:29:02.445
have a backup like I do

00:29:02.465 --> 00:29:03.326
have another one that I use

00:29:03.882 --> 00:29:05.083
that just to hold something around,

00:29:05.123 --> 00:29:06.722
but you can't fight those.

00:29:06.762 --> 00:29:07.203
I mean, I mean,

00:29:07.263 --> 00:29:09.325
you're obviously doing that, but, um,

00:29:09.785 --> 00:29:11.246
it just depends on, I think, you know,

00:29:11.326 --> 00:29:12.625
and we also, we don't, we don't, I mean,

00:29:12.665 --> 00:29:16.428
our, our, our, um, I guess our, uh,

00:29:17.147 --> 00:29:18.509
structure is pretty simple.

00:29:19.529 --> 00:29:21.009
And I think the other thing is like,

00:29:21.029 --> 00:29:21.550
we don't do a lot of

00:29:21.570 --> 00:29:23.230
international wires and things like that,

00:29:23.270 --> 00:29:24.892
like cracking, we use cracking a lot.

00:29:24.912 --> 00:29:25.251
So that's,

00:29:25.491 --> 00:29:26.532
that's coming out of here in the

00:29:26.593 --> 00:29:27.153
U S which is,

00:29:27.292 --> 00:29:28.253
which makes it a lot easier.

00:29:28.894 --> 00:29:29.515
when you have, I mean,

00:29:29.674 --> 00:29:30.515
we talked about doing

00:29:30.535 --> 00:29:31.736
something offshore and things like that.

00:29:31.756 --> 00:29:32.517
And I think we started doing

00:29:32.576 --> 00:29:34.057
wires offshore and you're

00:29:34.097 --> 00:29:34.917
doing to another, you know,

00:29:34.978 --> 00:29:35.638
private bank and the

00:29:35.659 --> 00:29:36.440
Caymans or something like that.

00:29:36.460 --> 00:29:37.119
Then, then you're like,

00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:37.740
then everybody's like,

00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:38.421
what the fuck is this?

00:29:38.800 --> 00:29:38.980
Right.

00:29:39.541 --> 00:29:40.501
So they're just wondering if

00:29:40.521 --> 00:29:42.064
you're laundering or a

00:29:42.084 --> 00:29:43.263
source of funds or anything else.

00:29:43.324 --> 00:29:43.525
Right.

00:29:43.605 --> 00:29:44.644
Even if that company is yours.

00:29:44.704 --> 00:29:44.945
here,

00:29:45.246 --> 00:29:48.208
there's been like this really weird thing,

00:29:48.268 --> 00:29:50.329
which is that although it's,

00:29:51.249 --> 00:29:52.490
literally perfectly legal to

00:29:52.530 --> 00:29:54.992
do um like to work in the

00:29:55.012 --> 00:29:56.555
crypto industry yeah like

00:29:56.654 --> 00:29:57.536
the rules are really

00:29:57.576 --> 00:29:58.936
clearly laid out in both

00:29:58.957 --> 00:30:00.439
the law the tax authority

00:30:00.538 --> 00:30:02.141
every like it's super super

00:30:02.181 --> 00:30:03.001
clear what you need to do

00:30:03.021 --> 00:30:04.883
yeah at least I I feel like

00:30:04.943 --> 00:30:07.086
it is maybe whatever and

00:30:07.105 --> 00:30:08.307
these regulated entities

00:30:08.507 --> 00:30:09.788
have just started like they

00:30:09.868 --> 00:30:12.330
see um if they see like a

00:30:14.058 --> 00:30:14.980
this was the problem with us

00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:15.700
in the first place right

00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:17.121
they changed their policies

00:30:17.361 --> 00:30:19.561
on companies that work in

00:30:19.582 --> 00:30:21.323
crypto right but they they

00:30:21.343 --> 00:30:22.544
obviously just don't tell

00:30:22.584 --> 00:30:23.463
you they just say our terms

00:30:23.503 --> 00:30:24.365
conditions have changed

00:30:25.786 --> 00:30:27.386
read it and then after the

00:30:27.406 --> 00:30:28.386
fact they're like whoa you

00:30:28.426 --> 00:30:29.367
didn't tell us you your

00:30:29.468 --> 00:30:30.367
company does stuff in

00:30:30.407 --> 00:30:31.749
crypto and you're like

00:30:31.828 --> 00:30:34.510
because you know we do

00:30:34.750 --> 00:30:35.431
stuff here there and

00:30:35.471 --> 00:30:36.372
everywhere the we're the

00:30:36.751 --> 00:30:38.712
egg man you know yeah um

00:30:40.035 --> 00:30:41.134
they're like well no after

00:30:41.174 --> 00:30:42.455
the fact we've decided you

00:30:42.496 --> 00:30:46.557
are guilty of taking a bank

00:30:46.596 --> 00:30:48.377
transfer from paywood which

00:30:48.438 --> 00:30:50.699
is the uk entity of kraken

00:30:50.719 --> 00:30:56.280
and you're like okay so

00:30:56.381 --> 00:30:57.840
what that's legal and

00:30:57.881 --> 00:30:59.342
they're like they're like

00:30:59.382 --> 00:31:00.442
well we in our terms and

00:31:00.461 --> 00:31:01.561
conditions it now says you

00:31:01.602 --> 00:31:02.883
can't do that and you're like

00:31:03.597 --> 00:31:07.060
I think this will change.

00:31:07.161 --> 00:31:08.020
It's definitely going to

00:31:08.040 --> 00:31:11.104
change here now that with

00:31:11.144 --> 00:31:12.565
this presidential change

00:31:12.605 --> 00:31:15.207
here and with I think

00:31:15.227 --> 00:31:15.967
there's going to be a lot

00:31:16.007 --> 00:31:20.029
of crypto related policies

00:31:20.049 --> 00:31:20.490
that are going to get

00:31:20.530 --> 00:31:21.330
sorted out here in the next

00:31:21.371 --> 00:31:21.932
couple of years.

00:31:22.531 --> 00:31:24.133
Whether those are right or wrong,

00:31:24.333 --> 00:31:24.854
we'll leave it away.

00:31:24.933 --> 00:31:25.534
At least there's going to be

00:31:25.554 --> 00:31:26.174
attention on it.

00:31:28.655 --> 00:31:30.617
And I do think that that

00:31:30.657 --> 00:31:32.038
will change quickly,

00:31:32.118 --> 00:31:33.199
especially now we're

00:31:33.219 --> 00:31:35.820
starting to see states here, you know,

00:31:35.961 --> 00:31:38.083
buying treasuries within Bitcoin.

00:31:38.123 --> 00:31:38.962
And I think you're going to

00:31:38.982 --> 00:31:39.923
see that you're going to

00:31:39.943 --> 00:31:41.005
see that elsewhere as well.

00:31:41.944 --> 00:31:42.065
um,

00:31:42.165 --> 00:31:43.445
and a bunch of other States here in the

00:31:43.465 --> 00:31:43.886
U S that are,

00:31:44.106 --> 00:31:45.227
that are basically buying

00:31:45.528 --> 00:31:46.428
digital currency,

00:31:46.989 --> 00:31:48.068
the way that they would buy

00:31:48.108 --> 00:31:49.009
gold or have another kind

00:31:49.029 --> 00:31:49.670
of a component that's

00:31:49.690 --> 00:31:50.931
sitting there as a

00:31:50.971 --> 00:31:51.932
commodity type of thing.

00:31:52.771 --> 00:31:54.232
Um, and as that grows,

00:31:54.252 --> 00:31:55.953
that's going to provide legitimacy to it.

00:31:56.213 --> 00:31:57.394
And as that happens,

00:31:57.515 --> 00:31:58.695
this Bitcoin price is going

00:31:58.715 --> 00:31:59.977
to go to one hundred fifty thousand.

00:32:00.576 --> 00:32:03.739
And then I think then, then as you know,

00:32:03.798 --> 00:32:04.539
wires from crack or

00:32:04.579 --> 00:32:05.259
anything else is going to

00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:06.280
look a little bit less weird.

00:32:06.300 --> 00:32:07.080
You know what I mean?

00:32:07.922 --> 00:32:09.863
Um, yeah, but I mean, I, I,

00:32:10.323 --> 00:32:11.384
I don't know what it takes.

00:32:14.667 --> 00:32:16.890
I don't even know that it's

00:32:16.930 --> 00:32:17.810
a legitimacy thing or

00:32:17.830 --> 00:32:20.032
whatever because there's no

00:32:20.133 --> 00:32:20.913
issue with it now.

00:32:21.013 --> 00:32:21.835
It's not illegal.

00:32:22.095 --> 00:32:22.815
It's fine.

00:32:22.855 --> 00:32:25.258
It's just risk management.

00:32:26.021 --> 00:32:26.482
Yeah.

00:32:26.502 --> 00:32:26.702
That's all.

00:32:26.722 --> 00:32:27.222
That's what I mean.

00:32:27.242 --> 00:32:28.064
It's just, it's kind of.

00:32:28.084 --> 00:32:28.903
It's just risk management.

00:32:28.943 --> 00:32:30.905
That's all it is.

00:32:31.006 --> 00:32:31.105
Yeah.

00:32:31.125 --> 00:32:31.547
And risk management.

00:32:31.567 --> 00:32:32.287
The irony is actually,

00:32:32.586 --> 00:32:34.749
I could understand it more

00:32:34.949 --> 00:32:36.349
in the case of like, if you have,

00:32:36.371 --> 00:32:37.191
I don't know,

00:32:37.211 --> 00:32:38.952
like if you have an individual account,

00:32:39.113 --> 00:32:40.354
like an individual person

00:32:40.534 --> 00:32:42.695
and there's payments from

00:32:43.455 --> 00:32:44.537
Kraken coming in that are

00:32:44.557 --> 00:32:45.778
like a hundred grand or something,

00:32:46.699 --> 00:32:48.599
then you'd be like,

00:32:48.619 --> 00:32:49.681
are we a big crypto trader?

00:32:49.701 --> 00:32:50.561
Like, what's this happening?

00:32:50.582 --> 00:32:51.442
Or is it like, you know,

00:32:52.123 --> 00:32:53.044
is it some kind of a scam

00:32:53.064 --> 00:32:53.765
that's going to come back

00:32:53.825 --> 00:32:55.266
on us or something like that?

00:32:55.385 --> 00:32:55.465
Yeah.

00:32:55.768 --> 00:32:57.429
And then you're kind of like, okay, well,

00:32:59.390 --> 00:33:03.333
you know, I can kind of understand.

00:33:03.353 --> 00:33:05.634
Well, I can't kind of understand that.

00:33:05.673 --> 00:33:07.055
I can understand more that

00:33:07.095 --> 00:33:08.915
you might be concerned about that.

00:33:08.935 --> 00:33:10.758
But given that there is a

00:33:10.857 --> 00:33:12.199
higher burden of proof to

00:33:12.358 --> 00:33:13.680
open the bank account as a

00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:15.421
business in the first place anyway,

00:33:15.820 --> 00:33:19.103
you have to provide a variety of stuff,

00:33:19.702 --> 00:33:20.344
all the things that would

00:33:20.364 --> 00:33:21.664
identify you in terms of

00:33:21.684 --> 00:33:23.145
your documentation,

00:33:23.165 --> 00:33:23.826
all that kind of stuff.

00:33:23.865 --> 00:33:25.267
There's already a higher burden of

00:33:26.237 --> 00:33:26.361
Well,

00:33:28.015 --> 00:33:28.194
Yeah.

00:33:28.575 --> 00:33:29.075
I don't know.

00:33:29.095 --> 00:33:29.654
It's kind of weird.

00:33:29.736 --> 00:33:31.556
Like, but again,

00:33:31.615 --> 00:33:33.477
like I think these are

00:33:33.517 --> 00:33:34.277
private businesses.

00:33:34.477 --> 00:33:35.376
They have the ability to

00:33:35.836 --> 00:33:37.157
have their own risk management structure.

00:33:37.178 --> 00:33:40.538
They can kick you off at any time.

00:33:40.557 --> 00:33:40.699
Right.

00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:41.719
So, so it is what it is.

00:33:41.739 --> 00:33:43.499
Like, I mean, no matter what,

00:33:43.778 --> 00:33:45.359
no different than you're,

00:33:45.380 --> 00:33:46.660
you're an at-will customer there.

00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:47.619
So different,

00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:48.461
different banks are going to

00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:49.141
have different structures

00:33:49.181 --> 00:33:49.980
related to how they want to

00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:50.540
deal with that risk

00:33:50.580 --> 00:33:51.501
management and they will

00:33:51.521 --> 00:33:52.622
make decisions to do that.

00:33:52.741 --> 00:33:52.902
Right.

00:33:53.102 --> 00:33:56.762
And so I, I, I think no matter what, um,

00:33:57.182 --> 00:33:57.884
I mean, even in our past,

00:33:57.904 --> 00:33:58.885
we've always had a couple banks.

00:33:59.366 --> 00:34:00.328
You never want to trust

00:34:00.729 --> 00:34:01.530
exactly what's going on in

00:34:01.550 --> 00:34:02.571
every one of those situations, right?

00:34:03.133 --> 00:34:04.536
So having two banks is not

00:34:04.596 --> 00:34:05.917
new to this business, I don't think.

00:34:06.961 --> 00:34:11.304
Um, and, and, and I do think that, that,

00:34:11.324 --> 00:34:12.085
that risk management

00:34:12.125 --> 00:34:15.007
profile will continue to evolve.

00:34:15.067 --> 00:34:16.268
Cause I think right now, a lot of these,

00:34:16.788 --> 00:34:17.748
especially smaller firms

00:34:17.768 --> 00:34:19.550
and things like that have no fucking clue,

00:34:19.730 --> 00:34:20.570
even what you do,

00:34:21.210 --> 00:34:22.010
much less being able to

00:34:22.130 --> 00:34:23.072
actually have somebody come

00:34:23.092 --> 00:34:24.492
in and put a proper risk

00:34:24.552 --> 00:34:25.293
structure around it.

00:34:25.353 --> 00:34:25.534
Right.

00:34:26.173 --> 00:34:28.516
Um, yeah, it would just like, I,

00:34:29.155 --> 00:34:29.976
whatever they're doing is

00:34:29.996 --> 00:34:31.378
like yeah fine I mean I get

00:34:31.398 --> 00:34:32.099
that you guys obviously

00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:32.778
have like some kind of

00:34:32.798 --> 00:34:33.599
thing you're trying to risk

00:34:34.221 --> 00:34:36.402
just like make it clear and

00:34:36.443 --> 00:34:38.804
just tell us like yeah do

00:34:38.824 --> 00:34:40.186
you know go yourselves or

00:34:41.306 --> 00:34:43.289
or like fine but it's it's

00:34:43.309 --> 00:34:44.949
just it's very very bizarre

00:34:44.989 --> 00:34:45.471
because you're literally

00:34:45.490 --> 00:34:47.992
just like that dude if we

00:34:48.833 --> 00:34:51.655
if we did not file the

00:34:51.675 --> 00:34:53.418
correct source of funds with

00:34:54.978 --> 00:34:55.777
like our end of year

00:34:55.797 --> 00:34:57.918
accounts we'd be absolutely

00:34:58.239 --> 00:34:59.820
cooked as a company right

00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:04.800
that's just how it is we're

00:35:04.820 --> 00:35:06.442
de facto above board right

00:35:06.501 --> 00:35:08.561
we like you go go speak to

00:35:08.601 --> 00:35:10.182
our accountants you know like

00:35:11.030 --> 00:35:13.610
I don't I guess I guess the

00:35:13.630 --> 00:35:14.271
thing is that there are

00:35:14.311 --> 00:35:15.190
ways you can avoid that

00:35:15.231 --> 00:35:16.130
right and there are ways

00:35:16.170 --> 00:35:17.170
you can provide the minimum

00:35:17.190 --> 00:35:18.251
amount of information and

00:35:18.391 --> 00:35:19.632
you know etc etc etc so

00:35:19.751 --> 00:35:20.512
like you say it comes down

00:35:20.532 --> 00:35:22.152
to risk I suppose yeah okay

00:35:22.172 --> 00:35:23.373
we just it is one of those

00:35:23.413 --> 00:35:24.313
irritating things because

00:35:24.353 --> 00:35:26.773
this is like a difficult um

00:35:27.074 --> 00:35:27.873
it's difficult industry to

00:35:27.934 --> 00:35:29.974
work in in that regard

00:35:30.193 --> 00:35:31.795
right uh in kind of

00:35:31.815 --> 00:35:33.235
legitimacy terms and then

00:35:33.275 --> 00:35:34.675
you're also just like we've

00:35:34.715 --> 00:35:36.996
spent so much time and frankly money like

00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:39.280
trying to make sure that

00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:40.621
every T is crossed and

00:35:40.641 --> 00:35:42.101
every I is dotted and whatever.

00:35:42.121 --> 00:35:42.722
And sometimes to our

00:35:42.782 --> 00:35:44.103
detriment in terms of like

00:35:44.143 --> 00:35:45.802
cost and faff and hassle

00:35:46.043 --> 00:35:47.864
and documenting everything and blah, blah,

00:35:47.884 --> 00:35:48.164
blah.

00:35:48.545 --> 00:35:49.264
And every time one of these

00:35:49.284 --> 00:35:49.985
things rolls around,

00:35:50.025 --> 00:35:51.405
you just like roll your eyes,

00:35:51.846 --> 00:35:53.186
especially like, I mean, to be fair,

00:35:53.206 --> 00:35:54.226
thank you Juno for giving

00:35:54.246 --> 00:35:56.867
us a pump this week.

00:35:56.987 --> 00:35:57.568
Yay.

00:35:57.628 --> 00:35:58.268
Small pump.

00:35:58.889 --> 00:36:01.130
A little pumperoo, but like, you know,

00:36:01.190 --> 00:36:02.210
a lot of the projects.

00:36:02.670 --> 00:36:03.030
Yeah.

00:36:03.351 --> 00:36:04.110
A lot of the projects that

00:36:04.130 --> 00:36:05.271
we've worked on have,

00:36:05.411 --> 00:36:07.413
have not been doing so well of late.

00:36:09.170 --> 00:36:10.231
No, are you kidding me?

00:36:11.414 --> 00:36:12.536
It's like there's a bear

00:36:12.576 --> 00:36:14.800
market or something.

00:36:15.561 --> 00:36:16.702
I mean, as of late,

00:36:16.782 --> 00:36:18.947
this year has been awesome.

00:36:20.365 --> 00:36:21.967
As of very recently,

00:36:22.047 --> 00:36:24.369
there have been some W's.

00:36:25.289 --> 00:36:25.389
Yeah.

00:36:25.429 --> 00:36:25.750
Yeah.

00:36:26.510 --> 00:36:28.371
No, as of this year, for sure.

00:36:28.411 --> 00:36:30.152
Like this has been a it's been a I mean,

00:36:30.353 --> 00:36:30.753
this pump,

00:36:30.773 --> 00:36:31.713
we can make fun of this Juno

00:36:31.753 --> 00:36:32.675
pump because we've been

00:36:32.715 --> 00:36:33.474
around for a couple of years.

00:36:33.574 --> 00:36:35.817
Yeah, we've seen where the graph is.

00:36:36.416 --> 00:36:38.498
But if you but it is up four hundred,

00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:40.099
like six hundred percent this week.

00:36:40.340 --> 00:36:40.579
Right.

00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:42.280
So in that sense.

00:36:43.461 --> 00:36:44.483
somebody got somebody's

00:36:44.523 --> 00:36:46.384
making out we're back maybe

00:36:48.485 --> 00:36:52.748
we're back exactly we're

00:36:52.768 --> 00:36:54.088
back it's like this is a

00:36:54.108 --> 00:36:54.789
great token I think it's

00:36:55.230 --> 00:36:56.489
just funny right there is

00:36:56.530 --> 00:37:00.052
that the um the life to be

00:37:00.072 --> 00:37:00.512
fair I think it was

00:37:00.552 --> 00:37:02.074
November two years ago I

00:37:02.114 --> 00:37:03.054
think it was actually just

00:37:03.114 --> 00:37:04.375
around the time of the SBF

00:37:04.394 --> 00:37:06.757
thing just before everything fell apart

00:37:07.458 --> 00:37:08.338
It was the last time that

00:37:09.858 --> 00:37:11.320
somebody tried to debank us

00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:12.041
quite thoroughly.

00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.782
So maybe the debanking is it.

00:37:15.862 --> 00:37:16.543
We're back.

00:37:17.322 --> 00:37:19.925
We're back because people

00:37:19.945 --> 00:37:20.545
are taking enough of

00:37:20.585 --> 00:37:21.726
interest to try and debank

00:37:21.766 --> 00:37:22.686
companies that are working

00:37:22.706 --> 00:37:23.367
in crypto again.

00:37:23.507 --> 00:37:24.626
There's interest in crypto again.

00:37:25.307 --> 00:37:25.427
Wait,

00:37:25.487 --> 00:37:28.309
you're saying that your debanking is

00:37:28.349 --> 00:37:29.449
responsible for this pump?

00:37:30.050 --> 00:37:30.871
Yes, that's what I'm saying.

00:37:30.931 --> 00:37:31.271
Oh, okay.

00:37:31.291 --> 00:37:31.751
All right.

00:37:31.871 --> 00:37:32.952
Yeah, I don't think...

00:37:34.713 --> 00:37:35.672
Every time somebody tries to

00:37:35.713 --> 00:37:39.574
debank Needlecast, coin go moon.

00:37:39.594 --> 00:37:44.235
It's like every time you hear a bell.

00:37:44.835 --> 00:37:46.536
Yeah.

00:37:46.576 --> 00:37:47.336
Something's moaning.

00:37:47.797 --> 00:37:50.376
Something's moaning.

00:37:50.436 --> 00:37:52.677
I don't think so.

00:37:52.838 --> 00:37:53.077
No.

00:37:53.157 --> 00:37:53.458
Yeah.

00:37:53.498 --> 00:37:54.458
Because actually two years

00:37:54.498 --> 00:37:55.639
ago what happened was we

00:37:55.699 --> 00:37:56.759
got thrown with debanking

00:37:56.798 --> 00:37:58.360
and then the market

00:37:58.460 --> 00:38:00.539
collapsed to the big bad boy.

00:38:00.579 --> 00:38:01.440
I don't think so.

00:38:03.717 --> 00:38:04.777
But maybe this is the other half.

00:38:04.818 --> 00:38:06.039
This is like the shift of

00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:07.119
route back in the other direction.

00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:08.380
You need one debanking,

00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:09.001
and then this is the

00:38:09.041 --> 00:38:10.762
debanking that sets it all straight.

00:38:10.882 --> 00:38:11.702
It's like correcting the thing.

00:38:11.722 --> 00:38:11.762
No.

00:38:11.782 --> 00:38:11.882
No, no.

00:38:11.902 --> 00:38:16.224
I don't think so.

00:38:16.364 --> 00:38:18.286
I don't think that's what it is.

00:38:18.487 --> 00:38:19.226
I don't think that's what it is.

00:38:21.469 --> 00:38:21.889
Cool.

00:38:22.329 --> 00:38:24.070
So, yeah.

00:38:24.130 --> 00:38:25.311
So, Null's rich.

00:38:25.471 --> 00:38:25.711
It's cool.

00:38:25.731 --> 00:38:27.092
Null's rich.

00:38:27.112 --> 00:38:27.793
Is he going to come on this

00:38:27.833 --> 00:38:29.773
podcast now with this Juno pump or what?

00:38:30.193 --> 00:38:30.835
Big Juno boy.

00:38:31.563 --> 00:38:32.224
Big Juno boy.

00:38:32.244 --> 00:38:33.726
Got my gold chain in the mail.

00:38:38.489 --> 00:38:40.530
Got some gold hubcaps for my Lambo.

00:38:40.911 --> 00:38:42.833
Did I remember that you

00:38:42.853 --> 00:38:43.954
unstaked all your Juno?

00:38:43.994 --> 00:38:44.773
Is that not the case?

00:38:48.257 --> 00:38:51.579
Like all of the... Some.

00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:52.480
Not all.

00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:55.202
That's the cagiest response possible.

00:38:55.222 --> 00:38:56.722
That's the cagiest shit.

00:38:57.204 --> 00:38:59.706
That was a long time ago.

00:38:59.806 --> 00:39:01.306
I do still have a fair bit staked.

00:39:02.518 --> 00:39:03.798
tell me you didn't tell me

00:39:03.838 --> 00:39:05.438
you didn't just uh sell a

00:39:05.478 --> 00:39:06.840
hundred k judo without

00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:13.322
telling me no no no uh

00:39:13.422 --> 00:39:14.222
you're waiting for a dollar

00:39:14.282 --> 00:39:15.262
I know in your heart of

00:39:15.282 --> 00:39:16.242
hearts you want at least a

00:39:16.262 --> 00:39:20.945
dollar at least like like a

00:39:20.965 --> 00:39:22.206
I don't know a year year or

00:39:22.246 --> 00:39:24.266
so ago probably unstaked

00:39:24.306 --> 00:39:25.507
about half of our stuff and

00:39:25.726 --> 00:39:28.188
sold it off responsibly

00:39:30.692 --> 00:39:31.253
a year ago.

00:39:31.992 --> 00:39:33.733
So right at the bottom of the market.

00:39:33.753 --> 00:39:35.956
I don't even know where a year ago is.

00:39:35.996 --> 00:39:37.157
We're about where we were a year ago,

00:39:37.237 --> 00:39:37.556
isn't it?

00:39:39.318 --> 00:39:40.199
Wasn't it in the camera?

00:39:40.579 --> 00:39:41.239
I can't remember either.

00:39:41.981 --> 00:39:42.760
And I guess not because I

00:39:42.860 --> 00:39:43.601
had that graph up.

00:39:44.121 --> 00:39:44.983
It feels like it feels like

00:39:45.043 --> 00:39:46.204
we it wasn't that long ago

00:39:46.224 --> 00:39:48.585
that that there was there

00:39:48.606 --> 00:39:49.505
was a separate like March

00:39:49.565 --> 00:39:50.467
pump last year that was

00:39:50.507 --> 00:39:51.507
like I thought like three

00:39:51.527 --> 00:39:52.309
or four or five or six

00:39:52.349 --> 00:39:54.110
bucks or something like that.

00:39:54.150 --> 00:39:56.070
But that's a year and a half ago.

00:39:56.110 --> 00:39:56.711
Can't remember shit.

00:39:59.173 --> 00:39:59.333
Well,

00:40:00.813 --> 00:40:02.815
hmm not loving this I don't

00:40:02.835 --> 00:40:03.954
think it's been five bucks

00:40:03.974 --> 00:40:05.476
since twenty twenty two man

00:40:06.155 --> 00:40:09.677
is it geez time flies when

00:40:09.697 --> 00:40:10.418
you're running the juno

00:40:10.438 --> 00:40:13.820
validator it's pumping

00:40:13.860 --> 00:40:14.920
those zero transaction

00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:16.501
blocks just well hey but

00:40:16.541 --> 00:40:18.021
look at hey other other

00:40:18.041 --> 00:40:18.802
chains are doing all right

00:40:18.842 --> 00:40:22.884
as well this week I noticed I mean yeah

00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:25.199
I mean, actually,

00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:26.699
what I would say is not

00:40:26.739 --> 00:40:27.860
everything is following the

00:40:28.061 --> 00:40:29.320
arc of Bitcoin.

00:40:29.340 --> 00:40:30.601
I'm surprised with just how

00:40:30.701 --> 00:40:33.961
little Ethereum has moved overall,

00:40:34.041 --> 00:40:36.101
like relatively, versus Bitcoin.

00:40:38.322 --> 00:40:39.443
And everything else that we have... Yeah,

00:40:39.463 --> 00:40:40.063
so we're still sitting on a

00:40:40.103 --> 00:40:41.903
pile of Ethereum to do that

00:40:42.164 --> 00:40:43.603
DBT fucking thing.

00:40:43.623 --> 00:40:43.784
We will.

00:40:43.804 --> 00:40:47.164
Do you know, I looked at when...

00:40:49.541 --> 00:40:50.623
Yeah.

00:40:50.643 --> 00:40:51.923
It's been fucking like seven months.

00:40:52.023 --> 00:40:53.144
I'm just sat on that.

00:40:53.184 --> 00:40:55.927
I think it was going down in value, right?

00:40:56.007 --> 00:40:56.527
No, no, son.

00:40:56.967 --> 00:40:57.927
You bought it like... You

00:40:57.947 --> 00:40:59.188
would have bought it like twenty-three,

00:40:59.208 --> 00:41:01.070
twenty-four, twenty-five hundred, right?

00:41:01.090 --> 00:41:02.231
It's thirty-three right now.

00:41:02.331 --> 00:41:02.472
Oh, no.

00:41:02.492 --> 00:41:03.052
It's thirty-one.

00:41:03.231 --> 00:41:03.632
Okay.

00:41:03.652 --> 00:41:03.932
Still.

00:41:04.193 --> 00:41:04.492
You're up.

00:41:04.974 --> 00:41:05.474
Wait.

00:41:05.534 --> 00:41:06.134
I made you money.

00:41:06.835 --> 00:41:07.755
It's thirty-one hundred dollars.

00:41:08.795 --> 00:41:10.177
I'm a fucking business genius.

00:41:10.898 --> 00:41:11.358
Look at me.

00:41:11.378 --> 00:41:13.559
Fucking Game of Nodes.

00:41:13.619 --> 00:41:15.221
You're up.

00:41:15.260 --> 00:41:18.123
Game of Nodes is making W's all day long.

00:41:18.382 --> 00:41:19.043
Make it twenty percent.

00:41:20.148 --> 00:41:20.568
Hey,

00:41:21.449 --> 00:41:22.510
maybe this is financial advice after all.

00:41:22.650 --> 00:41:25.472
Yeah, there you go.

00:41:25.492 --> 00:41:26.952
But everything else, I think we have,

00:41:27.012 --> 00:41:27.673
everything else is kind of

00:41:27.713 --> 00:41:28.994
following Ethereum, except for Jeno,

00:41:29.014 --> 00:41:30.034
obviously, keep that out of there.

00:41:30.074 --> 00:41:32.277
But everything else is kind

00:41:32.297 --> 00:41:32.996
of following Ethereum,

00:41:33.036 --> 00:41:34.097
at least in terms of curves.

00:41:34.217 --> 00:41:36.719
I mean, this is how the normal cycle goes,

00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:37.219
though, right?

00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:38.900
Bitcoin spikes,

00:41:39.121 --> 00:41:40.322
and then it takes all the

00:41:40.362 --> 00:41:41.202
wind out of everything else

00:41:41.322 --> 00:41:42.842
aside from Solana, apparently.

00:41:43.284 --> 00:41:44.403
And then people are like, holy shit,

00:41:44.485 --> 00:41:45.824
Bitcoin's really high right now.

00:41:45.905 --> 00:41:48.027
I should take some wins and buy altcoins.

00:41:49.110 --> 00:41:50.452
and then those spike for a while.

00:41:50.472 --> 00:41:52.516
And then people are like, oh my God,

00:41:52.735 --> 00:41:53.838
look at those meme coins.

00:41:54.257 --> 00:41:55.000
I should take out my alts.

00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:56.541
And then they go into meme

00:41:56.581 --> 00:41:57.623
coins and those spike for a

00:41:57.643 --> 00:41:59.467
while and an entire market crashes.

00:42:00.217 --> 00:42:01.179
I think yeah it's like what

00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:02.320
happens when a whale dies

00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:03.422
at the top of the ocean and

00:42:03.461 --> 00:42:04.802
then everybody feeds on it

00:42:04.922 --> 00:42:06.704
as it sinks towards the the

00:42:06.744 --> 00:42:07.666
bottom right well

00:42:07.726 --> 00:42:08.385
unfortunately and then it

00:42:08.407 --> 00:42:09.226
pulls back up a little bit

00:42:09.246 --> 00:42:09.927
because it gets so bloated

00:42:09.947 --> 00:42:10.889
with gas which is the

00:42:10.949 --> 00:42:12.010
second pump that's that's

00:42:12.050 --> 00:42:13.771
the dead cat balance it

00:42:13.851 --> 00:42:17.675
keeps going back down it's

00:42:17.835 --> 00:42:19.436
it's a perfect analogy um

00:42:19.456 --> 00:42:23.621
well unfortunately with this elon

00:42:25.268 --> 00:42:27.449
situation um I think it's

00:42:27.469 --> 00:42:28.708
skipping all coins and it's

00:42:28.728 --> 00:42:30.070
going from bitcoin directly

00:42:30.150 --> 00:42:31.610
to meme coins right like

00:42:31.650 --> 00:42:32.891
isn't doge up a shitload I

00:42:32.911 --> 00:42:33.570
don't watch that thing but

00:42:33.630 --> 00:42:35.891
isn't it like way up I mean

00:42:36.152 --> 00:42:36.833
but we're also going to

00:42:36.853 --> 00:42:38.813
have a doge agency so like

00:42:38.914 --> 00:42:39.974
of course yeah of course I

00:42:40.034 --> 00:42:41.994
mean it's legitimacy now we

00:42:42.014 --> 00:42:44.856
have some yeah I mean the

00:42:44.876 --> 00:42:45.896
real question is how much

00:42:46.717 --> 00:42:48.117
uh how many days did I have

00:42:48.157 --> 00:42:48.918
back in the day was it

00:42:49.257 --> 00:42:50.157
twenty thousand was it a

00:42:50.177 --> 00:42:51.559
hundred thousand it had to

00:42:51.579 --> 00:42:52.239
be more than that they were

00:42:52.259 --> 00:42:54.380
like there's a lot of zeros

00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:54.980
in front of that thing

00:42:56.201 --> 00:42:57.161
Yeah, but I mean, I bought,

00:42:57.601 --> 00:42:59.543
the point was I was in the pub once.

00:43:00.324 --> 00:43:01.445
Do you still own it?

00:43:01.525 --> 00:43:03.688
As was my want back then.

00:43:03.889 --> 00:43:07.112
And I bought a pint's worth of Doge.

00:43:07.132 --> 00:43:07.932
Okay.

00:43:08.072 --> 00:43:10.375
One beer worth, which at the time,

00:43:10.434 --> 00:43:12.416
twenty fourteen would have

00:43:12.436 --> 00:43:14.878
been about three pounds ten.

00:43:15.739 --> 00:43:16.760
It's about five dollars.

00:43:16.780 --> 00:43:16.860
Okay.

00:43:17.742 --> 00:43:18.862
About five dollars worth of Doge.

00:43:18.902 --> 00:43:19.603
I think about twenty

00:43:19.623 --> 00:43:20.605
thousand Doge at the time.

00:43:22.505 --> 00:43:23.967
Give or take something like that.

00:43:25.108 --> 00:43:25.829
I'm sure you know your

00:43:25.909 --> 00:43:27.010
money's back right now.

00:43:27.309 --> 00:43:27.550
Oh yeah.

00:43:27.570 --> 00:43:27.911
I sold it.

00:43:27.990 --> 00:43:28.751
I sold it for four hundred

00:43:28.771 --> 00:43:29.512
and twenty dollars.

00:43:29.813 --> 00:43:32.954
You did four hundred three dollars.

00:43:32.994 --> 00:43:33.896
I'm like about it's never

00:43:33.936 --> 00:43:34.577
going any higher.

00:43:34.677 --> 00:43:35.898
It instantly went to like a

00:43:35.978 --> 00:43:37.378
thousand dollars after that.

00:43:37.438 --> 00:43:38.059
That's like, well,

00:43:41.817 --> 00:43:42.797
see you win something you

00:43:42.817 --> 00:43:46.197
lose should have held on to

00:43:46.217 --> 00:43:49.219
the coin yeah yeah yeah but

00:43:49.259 --> 00:43:50.579
hey you know it's fine you

00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:53.139
know this um whatever man

00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:55.860
it was okay um I don't know

00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:56.621
we'll see we'll see if the

00:43:56.681 --> 00:43:58.161
alts make a little bit of a

00:43:58.181 --> 00:43:59.101
come I mean they're not

00:43:59.262 --> 00:44:00.943
it's not awful but we'll

00:44:00.963 --> 00:44:01.623
see if they make a little

00:44:03.373 --> 00:44:04.335
little pump somewhere in the

00:44:04.355 --> 00:44:05.755
structure bitcoin though I

00:44:05.954 --> 00:44:07.016
I do think that this it's

00:44:07.036 --> 00:44:08.797
got a lot of runway like

00:44:09.817 --> 00:44:11.137
it's got yeah is that

00:44:11.177 --> 00:44:13.599
financial advice I don't

00:44:13.699 --> 00:44:15.260
know I still wouldn't I

00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:16.099
wouldn't buy it I didn't

00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:16.900
buy it when I buy it

00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:17.840
sixteen thousand or eight

00:44:17.860 --> 00:44:20.021
thousand or or twenty four

00:44:20.061 --> 00:44:20.842
thousand or fifty four

00:44:20.882 --> 00:44:22.403
thousand at ninety four is

00:44:22.423 --> 00:44:24.003
like what the hell but

00:44:24.184 --> 00:44:25.125
again that's what you

00:44:25.144 --> 00:44:26.726
that's the reason I don't have anything

00:44:27.565 --> 00:44:28.286
I remember when it was a

00:44:28.346 --> 00:44:30.007
hundred and my I remember

00:44:30.027 --> 00:44:31.288
before that yeah I remember

00:44:31.407 --> 00:44:32.467
having someone it was a

00:44:32.507 --> 00:44:34.369
hundred and forty dollars

00:44:34.568 --> 00:44:38.590
but hey whatever man um I

00:44:38.610 --> 00:44:39.871
still laugh at my bitcoin

00:44:39.891 --> 00:44:40.931
trading days for diablo two

00:44:40.992 --> 00:44:42.411
items those are the glory

00:44:42.431 --> 00:44:45.873
days I I'm sure somewhere

00:44:45.934 --> 00:44:47.293
in this house I there's a

00:44:47.313 --> 00:44:48.655
mnemonic with a little bit

00:44:48.715 --> 00:44:50.155
on there there has to be

00:44:50.175 --> 00:44:51.675
because I know I I remember

00:44:51.695 --> 00:44:52.735
around the early days and I

00:44:52.755 --> 00:44:53.556
remember even running

00:44:54.516 --> 00:44:56.719
a small miner like early

00:44:56.778 --> 00:44:58.440
early days like ten years

00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.501
ago or ish something like

00:45:00.521 --> 00:45:01.963
that there must be but it

00:45:02.163 --> 00:45:03.485
has to be gone it has to be

00:45:03.525 --> 00:45:04.865
lost in ether I'm going

00:45:04.925 --> 00:45:06.626
back correctly I think I've

00:45:06.646 --> 00:45:07.628
just remembered that I have

00:45:07.708 --> 00:45:09.208
some some bitcoin dust

00:45:09.228 --> 00:45:10.771
somewhere I'm going to be right back

00:45:11.414 --> 00:45:12.235
There has to be some dust

00:45:12.255 --> 00:45:13.255
somewhere in this house.

00:45:13.275 --> 00:45:14.376
It's like twenty two Bitcoin.

00:45:14.396 --> 00:45:15.878
He's like, no, it's not you guys.

00:45:15.938 --> 00:45:16.539
I'm logging out.

00:45:18.019 --> 00:45:21.083
Oh, my goodness.

00:45:21.483 --> 00:45:22.443
It was tough to it was tough

00:45:22.463 --> 00:45:23.724
to generate Bitcoin even back in the day.

00:45:23.864 --> 00:45:24.786
I think it would have been

00:45:24.806 --> 00:45:25.907
like that would have been

00:45:25.947 --> 00:45:27.228
Pentium something at that point.

00:45:28.349 --> 00:45:28.548
Well,

00:45:28.909 --> 00:45:30.291
here's the fun thing about it for me.

00:45:30.530 --> 00:45:32.411
I don't think they had mnemonics for.

00:45:32.431 --> 00:45:33.773
No, it would have been.

00:45:33.833 --> 00:45:34.574
No, it would have been.

00:45:35.474 --> 00:45:36.056
It would have been.

00:45:36.115 --> 00:45:36.775
It would have been a private

00:45:36.795 --> 00:45:37.416
key in a wallet.

00:45:38.163 --> 00:45:38.643
Yeah.

00:45:38.903 --> 00:45:39.184
Yeah.

00:45:39.204 --> 00:45:41.425
So whenever I was trading

00:45:41.545 --> 00:45:44.807
Bitcoin for items, I got scammed, right?

00:45:45.628 --> 00:45:46.248
For something stupid.

00:45:46.969 --> 00:45:48.311
And I had so little

00:45:48.351 --> 00:45:49.391
understanding of Bitcoin.

00:45:49.731 --> 00:45:50.092
Granted,

00:45:50.132 --> 00:45:54.474
I'm like a high schooler and I

00:45:54.514 --> 00:45:57.516
messaged PayPal to like try

00:45:57.556 --> 00:45:58.677
and get my money back.

00:45:58.938 --> 00:45:59.278
And they're like,

00:45:59.398 --> 00:46:00.480
what the hell are you talking about?

00:46:00.579 --> 00:46:01.800
And I was like,

00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:02.940
I don't know what I'm talking about.

00:46:03.001 --> 00:46:03.282
I don't know.

00:46:03.302 --> 00:46:03.382
Yeah.

00:46:03.402 --> 00:46:03.541
Yeah.

00:46:06.740 --> 00:46:08.101
So I can say that I was here

00:46:08.121 --> 00:46:13.762
a long time ago, but... That's funny.

00:46:13.802 --> 00:46:13.902
Boy,

00:46:13.922 --> 00:46:15.023
we got a bad storm going on right now.

00:46:15.043 --> 00:46:15.963
There's shit blowing around

00:46:15.983 --> 00:46:16.804
all over the place outside.

00:46:18.545 --> 00:46:19.965
No foxes walking up to the windows,

00:46:20.005 --> 00:46:21.565
but I do see tree branches

00:46:21.585 --> 00:46:22.206
falling outside.

00:46:24.606 --> 00:46:27.228
Portland had a bomb cyclone yesterday.

00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:29.661
yeah which means nothing to

00:46:29.701 --> 00:46:30.800
me but apparently the uh

00:46:30.820 --> 00:46:32.621
the coast got wrecked and

00:46:32.661 --> 00:46:33.322
like a bunch of people had

00:46:33.382 --> 00:46:34.782
their powers out but I'm

00:46:34.822 --> 00:46:36.083
you know hundred and fifty

00:46:36.103 --> 00:46:39.864
miles inland so craziness

00:46:40.164 --> 00:46:46.045
well what else guys juno

00:46:46.065 --> 00:46:47.626
pump hold on rich I'll be

00:46:47.666 --> 00:46:50.626
back in a second the answer is no

00:46:53.809 --> 00:46:55.831
um fray you mentioned like

00:46:55.851 --> 00:46:58.273
uh recent wins is that

00:46:58.313 --> 00:46:59.574
something you mentioned you

00:46:59.594 --> 00:47:00.775
said oh yeah it's been a

00:47:00.835 --> 00:47:02.335
shit bear market blah blah

00:47:02.356 --> 00:47:04.237
blah recently things picked

00:47:04.317 --> 00:47:08.559
up not listening to me dgaf

00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:10.581
he's too excited about

00:47:10.601 --> 00:47:15.324
those big bitcoin wins he's

00:47:15.364 --> 00:47:17.585
like I have seven I just

00:47:17.625 --> 00:47:18.985
found seven hundred atoms sorry

00:47:20.585 --> 00:47:21.385
Oh, sweet.

00:47:21.445 --> 00:47:23.226
That's like twenty two

00:47:23.246 --> 00:47:23.947
dollars or something.

00:47:24.146 --> 00:47:26.188
Dude.

00:47:26.268 --> 00:47:27.208
Yeah.

00:47:27.268 --> 00:47:27.768
Seven hundred.

00:47:27.807 --> 00:47:30.349
Wait, that's five thousand pounds.

00:47:31.009 --> 00:47:32.469
Seven hundred bitcoin would be better,

00:47:32.530 --> 00:47:33.650
but it's a start.

00:47:36.851 --> 00:47:38.251
I thought I had like nought

00:47:38.291 --> 00:47:39.891
point nought nought one

00:47:39.952 --> 00:47:43.833
five bitcoin like dust in

00:47:43.932 --> 00:47:45.432
an old Poloniex account

00:47:45.454 --> 00:47:47.253
that I'd maybe sent back to

00:47:47.974 --> 00:47:49.054
an old Kraken account.

00:47:52.181 --> 00:47:53.143
But what I've just found is

00:47:54.123 --> 00:47:57.746
in an old Kraken account, I have one ETH,

00:47:57.826 --> 00:47:59.507
which I knew I had somewhere.

00:47:59.547 --> 00:48:00.387
I just hadn't remembered

00:48:00.427 --> 00:48:01.289
which account was.

00:48:01.429 --> 00:48:02.250
And I knew I would have the

00:48:02.289 --> 00:48:03.570
password for it, so I wasn't worried.

00:48:04.952 --> 00:48:06.572
But I have one ETH and six

00:48:06.632 --> 00:48:07.974
hundred and ninety seven.

00:48:09.315 --> 00:48:09.655
Atom,

00:48:09.675 --> 00:48:11.536
which apparently have been staked to

00:48:11.576 --> 00:48:13.057
the Kraken validator for the last.

00:48:13.077 --> 00:48:16.599
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:16.619 --> 00:48:17.661
You know who's going to want

00:48:17.681 --> 00:48:18.681
to know about that?

00:48:19.422 --> 00:48:20.163
The tax man.

00:48:23.362 --> 00:48:25.722
Probably not because of the way it works.

00:48:25.882 --> 00:48:26.422
I don't know.

00:48:27.163 --> 00:48:28.423
Because it will be

00:48:28.563 --> 00:48:31.644
generating very little per day.

00:48:31.724 --> 00:48:32.666
Ben Davis,

00:48:33.346 --> 00:48:34.746
think of the airdrops you didn't get.

00:48:37.706 --> 00:48:39.507
Well, I didn't get Juno for starters,

00:48:40.228 --> 00:48:40.768
I guess.

00:48:42.309 --> 00:48:43.789
Although it's probably much less.

00:48:44.070 --> 00:48:44.989
I guess, yeah,

00:48:45.010 --> 00:48:47.210
you only get like five percent, don't you,

00:48:49.711 --> 00:48:51.193
on Kraken staking or whatever.

00:48:51.233 --> 00:48:51.873
But even so.

00:48:53.717 --> 00:48:54.217
Congrats.

00:48:54.797 --> 00:48:55.518
Yeah, congrats.

00:48:55.557 --> 00:48:57.018
That's completely... I mean,

00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:58.561
I'm not going to do anything with it.

00:48:58.681 --> 00:49:01.342
I'm probably just going to... Hey,

00:49:01.382 --> 00:49:02.282
there's... Oh, my God.

00:49:02.322 --> 00:49:05.105
I've just realized the page is wrapped.

00:49:05.206 --> 00:49:05.806
There's more.

00:49:07.206 --> 00:49:08.088
I think you're the first

00:49:08.128 --> 00:49:08.887
person I've ever made money

00:49:09.309 --> 00:49:09.949
on Game of Nodes.

00:49:10.630 --> 00:49:12.050
Excellent.

00:49:12.070 --> 00:49:12.971
You took your own financial

00:49:13.010 --> 00:49:14.932
advice and looked at an old wallet.

00:49:14.972 --> 00:49:16.153
Don't freak out.

00:49:16.173 --> 00:49:19.815
There's Ripple in this wallet.

00:49:19.896 --> 00:49:20.077
Hey,

00:49:20.496 --> 00:49:21.597
you probably made money off of that as

00:49:21.637 --> 00:49:21.757
well,

00:49:21.777 --> 00:49:22.818
because I think it's over a dollar

00:49:22.838 --> 00:49:23.179
right now.

00:49:26.054 --> 00:49:26.634
I have.

00:49:27.815 --> 00:49:28.755
Two hundred ripple.

00:49:31.376 --> 00:49:31.757
Which.

00:49:33.157 --> 00:49:34.077
How do you find out what you

00:49:34.197 --> 00:49:35.137
paid for something?

00:49:35.318 --> 00:49:36.059
That's a good question.

00:49:36.398 --> 00:49:36.898
Does it matter?

00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:39.679
I'm just curious.

00:49:41.601 --> 00:49:42.342
Because it was worth.

00:49:42.442 --> 00:49:43.402
It was worth quite a bit at

00:49:43.442 --> 00:49:44.222
some point in the past.

00:49:44.242 --> 00:49:44.623
Wasn't it?

00:49:47.164 --> 00:49:48.304
I have no idea.

00:49:48.384 --> 00:49:50.344
It was worth two hundred and seventy quid.

00:49:50.706 --> 00:49:51.746
In twenty eighteen.

00:49:52.987 --> 00:49:53.527
very exciting.

00:49:54.648 --> 00:49:55.068
Well, yeah,

00:49:55.088 --> 00:49:55.989
that would have been more

00:49:56.028 --> 00:49:57.650
exciting if I'd found out I

00:49:57.690 --> 00:49:58.731
had two hundred ripple in

00:49:58.751 --> 00:50:02.233
twenty seventeen seven years ago.

00:50:02.472 --> 00:50:04.994
Eight years ago.

00:50:05.034 --> 00:50:06.414
Entropy is a son of a bitch, isn't it?

00:50:06.434 --> 00:50:08.356
It's not bad.

00:50:09.117 --> 00:50:09.996
Yeah.

00:50:10.077 --> 00:50:10.657
If only.

00:50:11.938 --> 00:50:12.119
Yeah.

00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:12.778
Anyway, whatever.

00:50:13.179 --> 00:50:16.541
I have not point not for ether P.O.W.

00:50:16.581 --> 00:50:20.043
Worth four dollars.

00:50:21.684 --> 00:50:22.065
This is

00:50:24.701 --> 00:50:27.481
ah maybe later cracking um

00:50:28.402 --> 00:50:29.643
cool well begs the question

00:50:29.663 --> 00:50:31.302
of where the that bitcoin

00:50:31.342 --> 00:50:33.963
was but hey um that's cool

00:50:35.065 --> 00:50:38.126
this is nuts well game of

00:50:38.166 --> 00:50:43.628
notes son of a should be

00:50:43.668 --> 00:50:46.409
the new uh tagline he's son

00:50:46.449 --> 00:50:48.369
of a although to be fair

00:50:48.389 --> 00:50:49.809
this is more elect um

00:50:52.036 --> 00:50:53.197
this more or less the same

00:50:53.257 --> 00:50:53.978
reaction that I had

00:50:53.998 --> 00:50:58.664
yesterday to the to the

00:50:59.706 --> 00:51:02.068
Juno pump when friend of

00:51:02.088 --> 00:51:03.451
the show Ben Davis brought

00:51:03.490 --> 00:51:06.153
to my attention and then you know

00:51:08.739 --> 00:51:10.561
Found we had a little bit knocking around,

00:51:10.581 --> 00:51:13.822
so sold a little bit and thought, hey,

00:51:14.521 --> 00:51:15.181
that's nice.

00:51:17.101 --> 00:51:18.362
Unexpected money is nice.

00:51:18.443 --> 00:51:21.103
No more, yeah, no more, what's it called?

00:51:21.163 --> 00:51:21.963
No more coal in the

00:51:21.983 --> 00:51:28.105
stockings for toddler of the house here.

00:51:28.125 --> 00:51:28.644
Happy days.

00:51:29.065 --> 00:51:30.425
Just instantly turned short

00:51:30.465 --> 00:51:31.346
coins into toys.

00:51:31.646 --> 00:51:32.885
I've just remembered a judo wallet,

00:51:32.905 --> 00:51:33.947
which I hadn't thought of.

00:51:34.306 --> 00:51:34.686
Yeah.

00:51:35.528 --> 00:51:37.690
I bet there's a bit of Juno in there.

00:51:38.090 --> 00:51:41.114
Yeah.

00:51:41.193 --> 00:51:41.454
Oh yeah,

00:51:41.474 --> 00:51:42.273
just remembered I've got the

00:51:42.315 --> 00:51:43.635
multisig for Core One.

00:51:43.675 --> 00:51:44.916
Let's start setting myself.

00:51:47.498 --> 00:51:48.679
Isn't there like a live

00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:49.840
proposal at the moment to

00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:50.840
restructure the fact that I

00:51:50.860 --> 00:51:52.543
can load the DAOs for the

00:51:53.123 --> 00:51:54.184
now defunct charter,

00:51:54.204 --> 00:51:55.005
just have like loads of

00:51:55.025 --> 00:51:56.005
money floating around.

00:51:56.585 --> 00:51:57.786
Now would be the time to

00:51:57.806 --> 00:51:59.969
just quietly slush those into a fund.

00:52:00.429 --> 00:52:00.989
That's all I'm saying.

00:52:01.170 --> 00:52:03.831
I have no idea.

00:52:04.291 --> 00:52:05.233
I haven't watched anything with that.

00:52:08.398 --> 00:52:09.099
Are either of you guys still

00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:09.958
involved in that?

00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:11.780
There's no Juno governance

00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.001
happening in this group, right?

00:52:14.021 --> 00:52:15.360
No, everything happening in Juno.

00:52:17.782 --> 00:52:18.822
But yeah, we are long.

00:52:18.842 --> 00:52:19.802
I thought maybe Noah was

00:52:19.842 --> 00:52:22.583
still doing something there, but no?

00:52:23.003 --> 00:52:24.304
You still involved in Juno at all?

00:52:24.983 --> 00:52:25.443
In any way?

00:52:25.943 --> 00:52:26.844
Nah.

00:52:26.965 --> 00:52:29.744
Too toxic.

00:52:33.847 --> 00:52:34.806
Well, yeah.

00:52:34.827 --> 00:52:35.007
I mean...

00:52:36.621 --> 00:52:38.322
Everyone's just biting the

00:52:38.342 --> 00:52:39.463
head off each other over there.

00:52:39.483 --> 00:52:41.523
It's just, like, not cool.

00:52:41.563 --> 00:52:43.445
So, you know,

00:52:43.664 --> 00:52:44.686
got other shit to worry about.

00:52:45.565 --> 00:52:47.806
Right.

00:52:47.827 --> 00:52:49.387
Demi's pulling the band back together,

00:52:49.588 --> 00:52:49.789
Rama says.

00:52:49.809 --> 00:52:57.932
We're back, baby.

00:53:01.255 --> 00:53:02.456
Hello, Cleveland.

00:53:03.215 --> 00:53:04.277
I don't know how you got back.

00:53:04.317 --> 00:53:05.797
This is the broom closet again.

00:53:08.076 --> 00:53:09.257
It was funny watching on

00:53:09.597 --> 00:53:13.458
Twitter as the price pumped,

00:53:13.838 --> 00:53:16.858
all of the old faces were

00:53:16.898 --> 00:53:17.619
popping back up.

00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:17.958
I know.

00:53:17.998 --> 00:53:19.320
I made a tweet too.

00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.300
Let's get the old band back together.

00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.922
It's like the Blues Brothers.

00:53:26.202 --> 00:53:26.902
Somebody goes out to go pick

00:53:26.942 --> 00:53:28.163
up Matt Guitar Murphy and shit.

00:53:29.302 --> 00:53:31.184
He's working on it.

00:53:31.224 --> 00:53:31.664
It's funny.

00:53:32.324 --> 00:53:35.505
I'll be waiting for the limo in the lobby.

00:53:36.146 --> 00:53:37.166
Hey, do you remember Bostrom?

00:53:40.179 --> 00:53:42.681
Yeah, weird, huh?

00:53:42.721 --> 00:53:43.222
Bow strong.

00:53:43.242 --> 00:53:46.123
That's the one that Gideon was super into,

00:53:46.143 --> 00:53:46.585
right?

00:53:46.644 --> 00:53:51.409
Yeah, Islanders.

00:53:51.469 --> 00:53:52.050
The faithful.

00:53:52.530 --> 00:53:53.010
The few.

00:53:53.110 --> 00:53:57.795
The proud.

00:53:58.135 --> 00:53:59.215
Yeah, sorry guys.

00:53:59.235 --> 00:53:59.757
I got a little bit

00:53:59.777 --> 00:54:00.898
distracted with logging.

00:54:02.789 --> 00:54:06.315
This one does.

00:54:06.355 --> 00:54:06.534
Yeah.

00:54:06.554 --> 00:54:07.876
You can log forward on hard proxy.

00:54:07.916 --> 00:54:08.998
That's handy to know.

00:54:09.018 --> 00:54:09.579
You can do what?

00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:10.942
Log forward.

00:54:11.583 --> 00:54:12.744
What do you mean log forward?

00:54:13.005 --> 00:54:14.186
Oh, you mean push them somewhere else?

00:54:14.286 --> 00:54:14.646
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:14.686 --> 00:54:15.367
Forward the logs.

00:54:15.608 --> 00:54:17.471
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:18.072 --> 00:54:19.893
before we got out very low I

00:54:19.934 --> 00:54:21.875
was canceling some uh some

00:54:21.894 --> 00:54:24.237
machines and uh I

00:54:24.277 --> 00:54:25.016
accidentally canceled the

00:54:25.036 --> 00:54:26.358
wrong I I canceled two of

00:54:26.378 --> 00:54:28.699
the wrong ones so I was I

00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:30.961
was frantically sending a

00:54:31.081 --> 00:54:33.563
uh sending an email and a

00:54:33.583 --> 00:54:35.565
call to uh to the support

00:54:35.585 --> 00:54:37.286
desk like just don't uh

00:54:37.306 --> 00:54:38.306
kill those actually it

00:54:38.327 --> 00:54:38.967
could have been killed they

00:54:38.987 --> 00:54:40.429
were fine it's not a big

00:54:40.469 --> 00:54:41.088
deal like it wouldn't have

00:54:41.168 --> 00:54:42.070
it wouldn't have done anything but

00:54:42.983 --> 00:54:45.704
Whoops, wrong ones.

00:54:45.724 --> 00:54:47.545
There has been some

00:54:48.186 --> 00:54:49.726
interesting infrastructure

00:54:49.746 --> 00:54:50.668
things happening.

00:54:51.047 --> 00:54:53.228
There's the cable of the

00:54:53.289 --> 00:54:55.769
submarine type got busted up between.

00:54:55.789 --> 00:54:58.530
Yeah, that's true.

00:54:58.550 --> 00:54:59.452
Thanks for interrupting me.

00:54:59.492 --> 00:55:00.211
Where was it between?

00:55:02.266 --> 00:55:02.626
The fray,

00:55:02.666 --> 00:55:04.268
as soon as they rudely interrupted,

00:55:04.648 --> 00:55:05.829
fucked up my conversation.

00:55:05.849 --> 00:55:07.409
My left ball and your right ball.

00:55:07.530 --> 00:55:08.750
Wait, my left.

00:55:09.130 --> 00:55:09.550
Wait, hold on.

00:55:09.570 --> 00:55:12.351
That was what I meant to say.

00:55:12.371 --> 00:55:14.172
My left ball and my right ball.

00:55:15.313 --> 00:55:16.393
I genuinely don't know what

00:55:16.414 --> 00:55:16.934
it was between.

00:55:17.014 --> 00:55:18.795
I think it was Germany in some way.

00:55:19.054 --> 00:55:19.894
Sweden and Finland.

00:55:19.934 --> 00:55:20.976
Sweden and Finland.

00:55:21.476 --> 00:55:22.536
Sweden and Finland.

00:55:25.378 --> 00:55:26.398
It was coming down the North Sea,

00:55:26.438 --> 00:55:26.958
basically.

00:55:27.539 --> 00:55:28.159
It was temporary.

00:55:28.298 --> 00:55:28.699
Yeah.

00:55:30.635 --> 00:55:30.855
Yeah,

00:55:30.875 --> 00:55:33.175
they must have done some rejiggering

00:55:33.217 --> 00:55:34.356
of the routing because

00:55:35.577 --> 00:55:36.538
there's complaints about

00:55:36.577 --> 00:55:42.862
communications between Hetzner and OVH.

00:55:42.902 --> 00:55:44.643
Yeah, that's what we had.

00:55:44.663 --> 00:55:45.623
Because they're two quite

00:55:45.664 --> 00:55:47.505
popular data centers in those places.

00:55:47.824 --> 00:55:48.704
Yeah.

00:55:49.826 --> 00:55:50.385
Meanwhile,

00:55:51.146 --> 00:55:52.668
I got a brand new server from

00:55:52.887 --> 00:55:56.128
OVH only to have the hard

00:55:56.148 --> 00:55:58.411
drive fail not one day later.

00:55:58.431 --> 00:55:58.751
Yeah.

00:55:59.911 --> 00:56:00.572
Was it a new hard drive?

00:56:00.773 --> 00:56:01.454
Like a new NVMe?

00:56:01.534 --> 00:56:02.556
It was not old.

00:56:03.016 --> 00:56:03.536
I checked it.

00:56:03.876 --> 00:56:04.978
Every time I get a new server,

00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:05.940
I have like a little bit of

00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:08.322
a checky-poo on the wear on the drives.

00:56:08.342 --> 00:56:10.545
And they were like six percent wear,

00:56:10.606 --> 00:56:12.409
so they had done some work.

00:56:13.050 --> 00:56:14.451
But, I mean, they...

00:56:15.652 --> 00:56:16.271
That's not bad.

00:56:16.572 --> 00:56:17.112
I'm surprised, too,

00:56:17.132 --> 00:56:18.492
because I thought you got

00:56:18.592 --> 00:56:19.773
one of the new Epic ones.

00:56:20.472 --> 00:56:22.893
One of the new Epic, four thousand series.

00:56:22.913 --> 00:56:23.914
I'm surprised that they're

00:56:23.934 --> 00:56:26.173
reusing old NVMEs in those

00:56:26.313 --> 00:56:27.554
and not just those didn't

00:56:27.574 --> 00:56:30.034
ship with new machines or new whatever.

00:56:30.715 --> 00:56:31.954
Presumably this had been

00:56:31.994 --> 00:56:34.576
recycled from another user.

00:56:34.916 --> 00:56:35.856
They've only been out there for,

00:56:36.556 --> 00:56:37.996
they've only been at OVH, I think,

00:56:38.016 --> 00:56:40.697
for a month, two, maybe.

00:56:40.896 --> 00:56:41.016
Yeah.

00:56:42.619 --> 00:56:43.300
I don't know.

00:56:43.420 --> 00:56:44.420
Maybe they are recycling

00:56:44.460 --> 00:56:46.262
drives from some old shitty boxes.

00:56:46.282 --> 00:56:46.643
Could be.

00:56:46.682 --> 00:56:47.483
Because they're still using

00:56:47.523 --> 00:56:49.125
those Gen four nine sixties.

00:56:49.605 --> 00:56:51.246
They're all prolific in OVH.

00:56:51.266 --> 00:56:51.606
Yeah.

00:56:52.648 --> 00:56:53.648
So I'm sure they have a

00:56:53.688 --> 00:56:55.670
fucking warehouse filled with used ones.

00:56:55.690 --> 00:56:58.012
Just stacked up to the rafters.

00:56:58.713 --> 00:57:00.295
And I'm almost positive they

00:57:00.315 --> 00:57:00.835
don't check them.

00:57:01.275 --> 00:57:02.936
Of which your notes have

00:57:02.976 --> 00:57:03.697
fucked most of them.

00:57:05.737 --> 00:57:06.480
Oh yeah.

00:57:06.500 --> 00:57:08.382
We've obliterated some hard drives.

00:57:09.005 --> 00:57:10.327
It is kind of nine, nine,

00:57:10.407 --> 00:57:12.351
six gig is not a lot when

00:57:12.391 --> 00:57:14.054
you're talking about drive

00:57:14.094 --> 00:57:15.356
rights per day.

00:57:15.456 --> 00:57:15.617
Yeah.

00:57:16.112 --> 00:57:16.251
Yeah.

00:57:16.472 --> 00:57:16.833
Yeah.

00:57:16.873 --> 00:57:18.273
Like, uh, you know,

00:57:18.313 --> 00:57:19.773
obviously the bigger the drive,

00:57:19.813 --> 00:57:20.735
the harder it is to write

00:57:20.775 --> 00:57:21.835
the whole thing in one day.

00:57:22.235 --> 00:57:23.277
So, you know, the,

00:57:24.077 --> 00:57:25.697
the durability of a drive

00:57:25.757 --> 00:57:28.219
is usually in the enterprise world,

00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:29.059
one drive, right.

00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:30.240
Per day for five years.

00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:31.561
Mm-hmm uh,

00:57:31.621 --> 00:57:32.661
if you can drive right at

00:57:32.922 --> 00:57:35.503
multiple times per day, obviously you, uh,

00:57:35.784 --> 00:57:37.585
reduce that five years by quite a bit.

00:57:38.545 --> 00:57:38.726
Yeah.

00:57:38.766 --> 00:57:40.007
Six percent though, in a couple months,

00:57:40.027 --> 00:57:42.809
that sounds, that sounds crypto licious.

00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:45.721
Yeah, it definitely sounds like shit.

00:57:47.302 --> 00:57:47.762
Well, I mean,

00:57:47.802 --> 00:57:49.483
copy on write file systems

00:57:49.583 --> 00:57:50.403
write a fair bit.

00:57:50.443 --> 00:57:52.085
So maybe they're running ZFS

00:57:52.144 --> 00:57:52.664
on them or something.

00:57:52.704 --> 00:57:52.784
Yeah.

00:57:52.804 --> 00:57:56.588
It's a charitable

00:57:56.648 --> 00:57:57.648
interpretation of what

00:57:57.688 --> 00:57:58.628
probably was going on.

00:58:00.356 --> 00:58:01.958
Yeah, well.

00:58:02.617 --> 00:58:04.918
It was probably not degeneracy,

00:58:04.958 --> 00:58:05.378
Your Honour.

00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:07.840
It's probably just an old machine.

00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:11.322
No old drive, I mean.

00:58:11.501 --> 00:58:12.382
Recycle it, shove it in there,

00:58:12.402 --> 00:58:14.443
wait till it fails.

00:58:14.483 --> 00:58:15.023
Go to the next one.

00:58:15.063 --> 00:58:19.664
Yeah, and it failed.

00:58:19.744 --> 00:58:21.405
The response time for repairing that,

00:58:21.445 --> 00:58:25.126
by the way, you'll be unhappy to know,

00:58:25.206 --> 00:58:25.907
took a week.

00:58:27.088 --> 00:58:27.447
Really?

00:58:28.108 --> 00:58:29.108
Yeah, it was pathetic.

00:58:29.554 --> 00:58:30.835
Like, it was open, and, like,

00:58:30.855 --> 00:58:31.554
they didn't replace it.

00:58:31.594 --> 00:58:34.735
Like, it was a failed machine for a week.

00:58:35.536 --> 00:58:35.695
Yeah.

00:58:35.896 --> 00:58:37.157
Do you know what really fucks me off,

00:58:37.177 --> 00:58:37.396
though?

00:58:37.856 --> 00:58:43.519
Like, they're over there, those people.

00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:47.760
They don't... With the tickets,

00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:49.181
they don't read back the history.

00:58:49.402 --> 00:58:50.922
They don't go back in the history.

00:58:51.402 --> 00:58:52.483
If there's someone who comes

00:58:52.563 --> 00:58:53.242
onto the ticket,

00:58:53.284 --> 00:58:54.463
they don't look at the

00:58:55.423 --> 00:58:56.364
conversation history.

00:58:57.148 --> 00:58:58.548
they just like what is it up

00:58:58.588 --> 00:59:03.472
to and then this they

00:59:03.833 --> 00:59:05.293
fucking send messages all

00:59:05.333 --> 00:59:06.755
the time confirming that

00:59:06.775 --> 00:59:08.016
they can turn it off even

00:59:08.036 --> 00:59:09.697
though you've said just

00:59:09.737 --> 00:59:10.797
replace the fucking thing

00:59:10.818 --> 00:59:12.840
immediately yeah right yeah

00:59:12.860 --> 00:59:13.840
they do and then the next

00:59:13.900 --> 00:59:15.442
message is we'll schedule

00:59:15.461 --> 00:59:17.864
an intervention is if you

00:59:17.903 --> 00:59:18.864
don't confirm that it's

00:59:18.945 --> 00:59:21.025
okay to turn it off in the

00:59:21.065 --> 00:59:21.987
next five minutes we'll

00:59:22.007 --> 00:59:23.248
reschedule it right like

00:59:24.574 --> 00:59:25.534
Did you just turn it off?

00:59:25.655 --> 00:59:26.195
Turn it off.

00:59:26.655 --> 00:59:27.076
Yeah.

00:59:27.096 --> 00:59:29.318
And they're like, can we destroy the data?

00:59:29.637 --> 00:59:31.820
It was a RAID one file system,

00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:34.882
a RAID one that's got one disk missing,

00:59:35.182 --> 00:59:36.563
a RAID two that's got one disk missing.

00:59:36.643 --> 00:59:38.224
So RAID zero, sorry, fucking hell.

00:59:38.284 --> 00:59:38.806
Jesus Christ.

00:59:38.945 --> 00:59:39.766
How many RAIDs?

00:59:40.766 --> 00:59:42.849
And, you know, there is no data left.

00:59:42.949 --> 00:59:45.271
So just fucking replace the

00:59:45.291 --> 00:59:46.891
drive so I can rebuild the box.

00:59:47.012 --> 00:59:47.713
Fair enough.

00:59:49.114 --> 00:59:49.514
Yeah.

00:59:49.534 --> 00:59:50.375
There should be an option

00:59:50.394 --> 00:59:51.076
that you can tick.

00:59:52.257 --> 00:59:53.077
In the web UI,

00:59:53.097 --> 00:59:56.117
it's just like DGAF about the data.

00:59:56.197 --> 00:59:57.759
Just fix it.

00:59:58.179 --> 01:00:02.119
It's just a fucked question.

01:00:02.219 --> 01:00:02.659
Yeah.

01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:02.900
Checker.

01:00:02.980 --> 01:00:03.201
Yeah.

01:00:03.221 --> 01:00:03.400
In OVH,

01:00:03.601 --> 01:00:05.501
I don't think they like you doing

01:00:05.541 --> 01:00:05.940
tickets.

01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.081
I think they'd prefer you

01:00:08.322 --> 01:00:09.862
read the frequently asked

01:00:09.902 --> 01:00:11.643
questions instead of doing tickets.

01:00:11.983 --> 01:00:14.483
It is difficult to find and

01:00:14.704 --> 01:00:15.463
submit a ticket,

01:00:15.643 --> 01:00:16.985
and sometimes it just don't work.

01:00:17.744 --> 01:00:20.186
And then just all the

01:00:20.206 --> 01:00:21.027
bullshit you go through.

01:00:21.047 --> 01:00:22.088
It's so fucking annoying.

01:00:22.909 --> 01:00:24.248
More often than not with OVHcloud,

01:00:24.289 --> 01:00:25.831
I just message old tickets and I'm like,

01:00:25.871 --> 01:00:26.710
hey, I've got a new issue.

01:00:26.751 --> 01:00:32.675
And then they're like, okay.

01:00:33.155 --> 01:00:34.416
I messaged our account

01:00:34.456 --> 01:00:35.376
manager a couple of times

01:00:35.396 --> 01:00:35.797
and they're like,

01:00:35.836 --> 01:00:36.358
this is something you

01:00:36.398 --> 01:00:37.458
really need to file a ticket for.

01:00:37.498 --> 01:00:39.940
And I'm like, yeah, but.

01:00:42.222 --> 01:00:44.182
My account manager doesn't like me.

01:00:47.943 --> 01:00:52.869
I don't like you.

01:00:55.612 --> 01:00:56.873
You're lucky I've got thick

01:00:56.914 --> 01:00:58.434
skin because I live high up

01:00:58.494 --> 01:00:59.335
and the windows open.

01:00:59.356 --> 01:01:03.581
I don't know what that means.

01:01:03.601 --> 01:01:04.501
I don't know what that means either.

01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:07.579
I think he's threatening to

01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:11.061
upset me and I could jump out the window.

01:01:11.081 --> 01:01:12.581
Did you know that, um,

01:01:12.862 --> 01:01:13.702
threatening to kill

01:01:13.722 --> 01:01:14.501
yourself as a way of

01:01:14.521 --> 01:01:15.983
emotionally manipulating

01:01:16.043 --> 01:01:17.443
people into liking and or

01:01:17.483 --> 01:01:19.244
respecting you is, uh,

01:01:19.264 --> 01:01:20.463
commonly seen as a form of

01:01:20.523 --> 01:01:21.503
emotional abuse.

01:01:22.204 --> 01:01:24.385
So do you like or respect

01:01:24.405 --> 01:01:25.704
being my oppressor?

01:01:28.585 --> 01:01:29.146
I'll take it.

01:01:29.166 --> 01:01:30.746
I'll take it.

01:01:31.286 --> 01:01:32.186
Um, get in the suit.

01:01:34.648 --> 01:01:35.188
Lovely stuff.

01:01:35.467 --> 01:01:35.688
Um,

01:01:37.304 --> 01:01:38.585
Yeah.

01:01:38.664 --> 01:01:39.766
I don't think anybody's

01:01:39.806 --> 01:01:41.146
account manager likes them though,

01:01:41.186 --> 01:01:41.706
do they?

01:01:41.726 --> 01:01:42.067
Really?

01:01:42.947 --> 01:01:43.929
I don't even have one over there.

01:01:44.548 --> 01:01:44.829
I mean,

01:01:44.969 --> 01:01:47.231
I do send a lot of emails asking

01:01:47.271 --> 01:01:48.010
for discounts.

01:01:48.572 --> 01:01:51.134
Oh, maybe that's why.

01:01:52.193 --> 01:01:52.333
I mean,

01:01:52.434 --> 01:01:54.235
I just don't like paying the setup fee.

01:01:55.016 --> 01:01:56.056
I've got a long history of

01:01:56.097 --> 01:01:57.797
keeping these things basically forever.

01:01:58.498 --> 01:02:00.119
So, you know,

01:02:00.340 --> 01:02:02.001
I just don't want to be in a contract,

01:02:02.661 --> 01:02:03.501
but I still think I

01:02:03.541 --> 01:02:04.742
shouldn't pay the setup fee.

01:02:06.083 --> 01:02:08.286
I mean, based on volume, I would agree.

01:02:08.846 --> 01:02:09.005
Right.

01:02:09.065 --> 01:02:09.907
If you have ten or fifteen

01:02:09.927 --> 01:02:10.547
machines over there,

01:02:10.606 --> 01:02:11.347
like you should not be

01:02:11.367 --> 01:02:15.550
paying for a waiver.

01:02:15.670 --> 01:02:16.550
It's like this guy,

01:02:16.570 --> 01:02:20.213
like it's it's a it's we'd

01:02:20.233 --> 01:02:21.534
be bringing up machines far

01:02:21.574 --> 01:02:23.356
more often if there wasn't a setup fee.

01:02:23.996 --> 01:02:24.317
Yeah,

01:02:24.336 --> 01:02:25.717
I'd bring up a machine like if the

01:02:25.757 --> 01:02:26.878
minimum is a month anyway.

01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:29.159
Like, yeah, if I need something in a pinch,

01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:29.721
I'll just get it.

01:02:29.860 --> 01:02:30.922
Likely I'll just keep it.

01:02:31.942 --> 01:02:33.864
But if I have to pay a setup fee as well,

01:02:33.903 --> 01:02:35.565
I'm like, do I need it that bad?

01:02:36.177 --> 01:02:37.338
Maybe I'll just like jam

01:02:37.358 --> 01:02:38.360
this somewhere else.

01:02:40.021 --> 01:02:40.740
Yeah, exactly.

01:02:41.862 --> 01:02:42.202
Yeah.

01:02:43.103 --> 01:02:44.603
Now that I have a proxmox cluster,

01:02:44.623 --> 01:02:46.425
I'll just keep jamming shit into that.

01:02:48.907 --> 01:02:50.347
Great for microservices.

01:02:51.188 --> 01:02:52.630
Great for microservices.

01:02:53.697 --> 01:02:55.918
Slowly getting rid of all of my, you know,

01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:59.601
seven dollar digital ocean droplets.

01:02:59.621 --> 01:03:00.722
Oh, my God.

01:03:01.302 --> 01:03:02.262
Like relayers and shit.

01:03:02.302 --> 01:03:03.282
You mean like that type of stuff?

01:03:03.322 --> 01:03:04.844
Just, yeah, little stuff.

01:03:04.903 --> 01:03:07.166
Like, you know, if there's like, you know,

01:03:07.226 --> 01:03:08.726
stuff that you don't want to go down,

01:03:08.766 --> 01:03:10.967
like, for example, Pego Schiltzi.

01:03:10.987 --> 01:03:13.429
You just don't want to have

01:03:13.469 --> 01:03:14.190
to think about it.

01:03:14.331 --> 01:03:15.871
And you don't really want it

01:03:16.311 --> 01:03:17.612
on one of your bigger boxes

01:03:17.652 --> 01:03:20.494
where you maybe like don't have...

01:03:21.532 --> 01:03:23.393
I'm not saying they've got bad security,

01:03:24.014 --> 01:03:25.054
but it's not on your mind,

01:03:25.394 --> 01:03:26.096
if you know what I mean.

01:03:26.755 --> 01:03:28.556
So, you know,

01:03:29.918 --> 01:03:30.619
they've got... Dell Subware

01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:32.739
has a box that just has, like,

01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:34.101
a piece of gaffer tape on the front.

01:03:34.181 --> 01:03:36.161
It says, Cosmos shit.

01:03:36.762 --> 01:03:37.342
And it just, like,

01:03:37.382 --> 01:03:39.143
has a faintly winking red light.

01:03:39.364 --> 01:03:41.284
It's not as staged into it in a while.

01:03:41.746 --> 01:03:42.945
Hasn't had any security

01:03:43.007 --> 01:03:45.128
upgrades on it in a hot minute.

01:03:45.148 --> 01:03:48.250
Well, I mean, you open lots of, like,

01:03:49.070 --> 01:03:49.510
ports, right?

01:03:50.291 --> 01:03:51.592
So, you know,

01:03:51.692 --> 01:03:54.353
and when you piss services off on it,

01:03:54.452 --> 01:03:55.893
you're not necessarily closing them.

01:03:56.032 --> 01:03:57.293
They're disposable boxes.

01:03:57.353 --> 01:03:58.134
Like you don't care.

01:03:58.893 --> 01:04:00.414
So you don't want to have like, you know,

01:04:01.675 --> 01:04:03.255
a service with a key running on it.

01:04:03.516 --> 01:04:03.615
Well,

01:04:03.635 --> 01:04:05.876
we just had that issue with the IPMI

01:04:05.916 --> 01:04:06.137
thing.

01:04:06.577 --> 01:04:07.516
It's a good example.

01:04:07.556 --> 01:04:07.996
Like those are,

01:04:08.016 --> 01:04:09.338
those are things outside of our control.

01:04:09.538 --> 01:04:09.657
Like,

01:04:09.998 --> 01:04:13.139
so those boxes are hit by

01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:14.521
that was it was it ip

01:04:14.561 --> 01:04:15.561
projects that one or did I

01:04:15.661 --> 01:04:16.862
imagine that it was ip

01:04:16.882 --> 01:04:17.784
projects it was another one

01:04:17.824 --> 01:04:18.864
of our providers too that

01:04:18.884 --> 01:04:21.306
had a small subnet who had

01:04:21.326 --> 01:04:22.766
a far better response so we

01:04:22.786 --> 01:04:24.487
won't mention them yeah

01:04:24.527 --> 01:04:25.028
they did have a better

01:04:25.048 --> 01:04:25.929
response they just actually

01:04:27.070 --> 01:04:28.110
yeah since I talked about a

01:04:28.130 --> 01:04:29.150
couple episodes ago but we

01:04:29.472 --> 01:04:31.672
we had one two machines

01:04:31.713 --> 01:04:34.014
actually get uh um

01:04:34.534 --> 01:04:35.956
attacked in that in that

01:04:35.976 --> 01:04:37.277
same data center and they

01:04:37.317 --> 01:04:38.577
they we went through I

01:04:38.617 --> 01:04:39.637
won't rehash it but we got

01:04:39.657 --> 01:04:40.438
through the whole thing and

01:04:40.458 --> 01:04:41.239
they realized it was their

01:04:41.278 --> 01:04:42.980
issue and so they just took

01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:44.940
we just upgraded they

01:04:45.001 --> 01:04:46.222
upgraded ten of our

01:04:46.242 --> 01:04:47.561
machines there from seventy

01:04:47.581 --> 01:04:49.724
nine fifties to ninety nine fifty X's

01:04:50.742 --> 01:04:52.523
without cost, which was really nice.

01:04:52.844 --> 01:04:54.565
So we just went from so which,

01:04:54.945 --> 01:04:56.045
which actually it's same

01:04:56.085 --> 01:04:56.985
drives only just these

01:04:57.025 --> 01:04:58.025
replace the motherboards

01:04:58.065 --> 01:04:59.286
and replace the IPMI and

01:04:59.327 --> 01:05:00.027
like all this time stuff.

01:05:00.047 --> 01:05:01.387
So we went from ASRock to something else,

01:05:01.427 --> 01:05:02.108
which was really nice.

01:05:02.788 --> 01:05:03.068
And,

01:05:04.369 --> 01:05:06.289
and they all just came back up same IPs.

01:05:06.309 --> 01:05:07.369
It just took like an hour

01:05:07.429 --> 01:05:08.570
downtime as they did all that stuff.

01:05:08.610 --> 01:05:09.510
But doing that for ten

01:05:09.530 --> 01:05:11.371
machines I thought was was decent,

01:05:11.472 --> 01:05:12.072
even though none of these

01:05:12.092 --> 01:05:13.592
machines hope they don't hear this,

01:05:13.612 --> 01:05:14.373
but none of these machines

01:05:14.452 --> 01:05:15.313
use the CPU that much.

01:05:15.353 --> 01:05:17.355
So it's really wasn't that big of a deal.

01:05:17.375 --> 01:05:18.255
But at least at least I got

01:05:18.275 --> 01:05:19.536
off of the ASRock stuff and

01:05:19.556 --> 01:05:20.096
then something else.

01:05:20.815 --> 01:05:21.815
Did you know that a ninety

01:05:21.835 --> 01:05:22.476
eight hundred X is faster?

01:05:22.496 --> 01:05:22.577
Yeah.

01:05:22.597 --> 01:05:22.817
God damn it.

01:05:22.836 --> 01:05:27.757
Fucking asshole.

01:05:27.938 --> 01:05:29.978
Fucking asshole.

01:05:31.380 --> 01:05:33.659
Yes, there are faster machines than this.

01:05:33.940 --> 01:05:34.380
I know.

01:05:36.001 --> 01:05:40.802
I know.

01:05:40.842 --> 01:05:42.242
Well, anyway.

01:05:44.304 --> 01:05:44.583
Come on,

01:05:44.603 --> 01:05:46.083
we're talking about something

01:05:46.105 --> 01:05:47.025
we're bitching about.

01:05:48.380 --> 01:05:49.059
I cut Null off.

01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:50.561
Null was on it.

01:05:50.601 --> 01:05:51.481
He was on a rant on something.

01:05:51.521 --> 01:05:52.240
I started talking about my

01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:53.161
stupid ninety nine fifty

01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:54.061
X's that aren't as fast as

01:05:54.081 --> 01:05:54.681
the ninety eight fifty X.

01:05:54.701 --> 01:05:56.961
Ninety eight hundred.

01:05:57.081 --> 01:05:59.222
God damn it.

01:05:59.242 --> 01:06:00.063
I can't believe that OVH was

01:06:00.083 --> 01:06:00.663
down for a week.

01:06:00.762 --> 01:06:01.443
That's ridiculous.

01:06:01.543 --> 01:06:01.802
They should.

01:06:01.882 --> 01:06:02.702
Do they give you twenty?

01:06:02.802 --> 01:06:03.623
Do they give you a week off?

01:06:03.742 --> 01:06:05.523
That's crazy.

01:06:05.543 --> 01:06:05.923
They should.

01:06:07.063 --> 01:06:07.324
You should.

01:06:07.344 --> 01:06:08.224
You should bitch about that.

01:06:08.244 --> 01:06:09.304
It's time to follow it up.

01:06:09.565 --> 01:06:10.505
I'm sure that's what that bank on.

01:06:11.451 --> 01:06:12.150
that you should bank you

01:06:12.170 --> 01:06:13.472
should respond with that

01:06:13.492 --> 01:06:14.472
and say instead of that

01:06:15.052 --> 01:06:16.074
give me the next year of no

01:06:16.114 --> 01:06:17.094
setup fees on these fucking

01:06:17.114 --> 01:06:19.036
machines because yeah I

01:06:19.076 --> 01:06:20.476
mean if we want to add to

01:06:20.496 --> 01:06:21.177
it but you guys are not

01:06:21.197 --> 01:06:21.898
working that way I mean the

01:06:21.938 --> 01:06:23.157
way to think about it right

01:06:23.177 --> 01:06:24.498
is if that box is already

01:06:24.579 --> 01:06:26.320
up with like a client and

01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:28.621
it was custodial or

01:06:28.661 --> 01:06:29.481
something like if you had

01:06:29.521 --> 01:06:30.222
some kind of project that

01:06:30.242 --> 01:06:31.643
was like directly rebuilt

01:06:31.684 --> 01:06:32.704
for client essentially for

01:06:32.724 --> 01:06:36.447
that project there was an sla attached

01:06:37.081 --> 01:06:39.782
How angry would you be about that?

01:06:39.902 --> 01:06:40.463
Fuck up.

01:06:40.704 --> 01:06:43.905
You would be incandescent with rage.

01:06:43.925 --> 01:06:47.327
If I had an SLA with a client,

01:06:47.507 --> 01:06:48.626
I would not be running raid

01:06:48.708 --> 01:06:50.108
zero and I would have

01:06:50.168 --> 01:06:51.389
multiple machines on the job.

01:06:51.708 --> 01:06:52.768
There would be no downtime.

01:06:52.789 --> 01:06:53.090
Okay.

01:06:53.210 --> 01:06:53.309
Okay.

01:06:53.329 --> 01:06:53.929
Point taken.

01:06:54.070 --> 01:06:55.971
But if there's an imaginary

01:06:56.030 --> 01:06:59.333
narrative where it's two machines,

01:06:59.452 --> 01:07:02.393
both OVH, whatever,

01:07:03.134 --> 01:07:03.974
it's more likely to be a

01:07:04.014 --> 01:07:05.114
networking issue than a

01:07:05.514 --> 01:07:06.436
hard drive failure.

01:07:07.088 --> 01:07:08.349
but they're down for a day,

01:07:09.048 --> 01:07:10.891
you would be like, you fuckers,

01:07:11.130 --> 01:07:13.811
what the fuck?

01:07:13.931 --> 01:07:14.672
Would I be fierce?

01:07:14.773 --> 01:07:16.313
Yes, but I don't roll like that,

01:07:16.373 --> 01:07:20.217
so it wouldn't happen.

01:07:20.237 --> 01:07:22.237
You don't roll like what?

01:07:22.318 --> 01:07:23.498
I wouldn't put two boxes in

01:07:23.539 --> 01:07:24.599
the same data center if it

01:07:24.619 --> 01:07:25.039
was for an SLA.

01:07:25.059 --> 01:07:26.780
Oh, I see what you're saying.

01:07:26.900 --> 01:07:28.222
Yeah.

01:07:28.681 --> 01:07:31.623
If I had an SLA, diversity of data center,

01:07:31.704 --> 01:07:32.905
diversity of provider,

01:07:33.625 --> 01:07:34.826
diversity of equipment.

01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:37.882
diversity, maybe.

01:07:38.143 --> 01:07:39.226
That would assume you were

01:07:39.266 --> 01:07:41.389
running a system that could

01:07:42.733 --> 01:07:43.594
be diverse in that way,

01:07:43.614 --> 01:07:45.858
because some obviously can't.

01:07:45.938 --> 01:07:46.280
Like what?

01:07:48.164 --> 01:07:50.106
I mean I can run amd on one

01:07:50.206 --> 01:07:51.286
intel and another I can run

01:07:51.365 --> 01:07:52.385
one in germany and one in

01:07:52.445 --> 01:07:54.387
france I can run one in you

01:07:54.407 --> 01:07:55.286
know there's a ton of

01:07:55.306 --> 01:07:56.608
chains that don't have you

01:07:56.628 --> 01:07:57.628
don't have mpc what are you

01:07:57.947 --> 01:07:58.668
talking about yeah exactly

01:07:58.688 --> 01:08:01.068
there's no multi-party

01:08:01.088 --> 01:08:02.668
computation for for the

01:08:02.708 --> 01:08:03.630
signing material enough

01:08:03.650 --> 01:08:05.710
there's a the majority

01:08:05.730 --> 01:08:06.931
we're talking about um

01:08:07.010 --> 01:08:09.070
sorry you're referring to

01:08:09.210 --> 01:08:10.632
um you know the industry

01:08:11.152 --> 01:08:12.891
specifically yeah you know

01:08:12.911 --> 01:08:14.932
this this is a violated podcast sorry i

01:08:16.619 --> 01:08:17.400
I think there's a sign

01:08:17.421 --> 01:08:20.162
around here somewhere.

01:08:20.243 --> 01:08:21.023
Well, you know,

01:08:21.384 --> 01:08:24.305
I'd run it on some hardware

01:08:25.386 --> 01:08:27.368
of my own that I could control.

01:08:28.708 --> 01:08:30.569
And run it on some hardware.

01:08:32.631 --> 01:08:33.652
It is the traditional way of

01:08:33.692 --> 01:08:36.434
running software on hardware, I've heard.

01:08:37.954 --> 01:08:38.716
Yeah,

01:08:39.296 --> 01:08:45.480
but if I was running a validator for

01:08:45.501 --> 01:08:46.041
a client,

01:08:46.658 --> 01:08:53.743
It would not be on a fucking OVH box.

01:08:53.762 --> 01:08:54.502
You're a head snare man?

01:08:56.265 --> 01:08:56.725
No,

01:08:56.744 --> 01:08:58.405
it wouldn't be on a publicly rented

01:08:58.565 --> 01:09:00.528
fucking bare metal machine.

01:09:01.648 --> 01:09:01.849
Why?

01:09:02.529 --> 01:09:03.430
Because it's a validator and

01:09:03.449 --> 01:09:03.750
you don't know.

01:09:03.770 --> 01:09:05.070
It could be someone with a

01:09:05.091 --> 01:09:06.671
little plug on in there.

01:09:08.274 --> 01:09:08.675
Well,

01:09:08.914 --> 01:09:10.778
obviously the answer for the Cosmo

01:09:10.797 --> 01:09:12.220
shit is a remote signer on

01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:13.902
something that's not publicly rented.

01:09:14.963 --> 01:09:16.326
But I'd run it on private

01:09:16.345 --> 01:09:17.087
stuff because I have it.

01:09:17.368 --> 01:09:18.869
I don't know what I'd do if

01:09:18.890 --> 01:09:19.390
I didn't have it.

01:09:19.671 --> 01:09:20.932
The last like four months

01:09:20.953 --> 01:09:22.534
you're talking like you've

01:09:22.595 --> 01:09:23.235
never done that.

01:09:24.618 --> 01:09:27.458
I don't stack for like four months.

01:09:27.498 --> 01:09:30.100
Now I own my own server.

01:09:30.240 --> 01:09:31.742
I understand.

01:09:32.242 --> 01:09:36.064
You've rented servers, you know.

01:09:36.083 --> 01:09:37.145
You have peasants with your

01:09:37.204 --> 01:09:39.786
rented hardware.

01:09:41.226 --> 01:09:42.507
Don't you know you can't?

01:09:43.488 --> 01:09:44.729
do that I drink my points in

01:09:44.769 --> 01:09:46.288
the evening in the in the

01:09:46.328 --> 01:09:47.288
drawing room and I

01:09:47.328 --> 01:09:48.510
contemplate all of these

01:09:48.810 --> 01:09:50.470
plebeian fellows running

01:09:50.710 --> 01:09:55.091
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

01:09:55.150 --> 01:09:58.471
beat around the bush now

01:09:58.511 --> 01:10:00.592
that I am owned hardware

01:10:00.632 --> 01:10:01.972
elite I'm gonna look down

01:10:02.012 --> 01:10:03.213
the length of my nose at

01:10:03.253 --> 01:10:07.215
you we run two of three on

01:10:07.255 --> 01:10:08.234
our own side on our own

01:10:08.274 --> 01:10:09.114
hardware and the third one

01:10:09.435 --> 01:10:11.136
but you don't run multi you

01:10:11.155 --> 01:10:11.996
don't run a raft right

01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:16.402
It's D-Gen Horcrux all the way.

01:10:16.442 --> 01:10:18.224
Which makes this even funnier.

01:10:18.243 --> 01:10:21.006
Let me look down my nose at

01:10:21.025 --> 01:10:23.046
your pitiful single-signer mode.

01:10:23.087 --> 01:10:27.690
Look down my nose at your

01:10:27.810 --> 01:10:29.032
pitiful single-server.

01:10:29.671 --> 01:10:30.632
Sitting at a data center?

01:10:31.193 --> 01:10:33.034
I wouldn't run three signers

01:10:33.475 --> 01:10:35.136
on public hardware.

01:10:35.376 --> 01:10:39.219
How ridiculous.

01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:40.500
Oh, man.

01:10:41.985 --> 01:10:47.809
I have my reasons.

01:10:47.929 --> 01:10:50.069
Anyway, you rented peasants.

01:10:53.011 --> 01:10:54.733
Is there anything else going on?

01:10:55.292 --> 01:10:58.895
Or is someone hovering the button?

01:10:58.914 --> 01:11:01.237
I don't know.

01:11:01.277 --> 01:11:03.198
I mean, it's been pretty quiet recently.

01:11:03.318 --> 01:11:06.099
And our guy doesn't really

01:11:06.139 --> 01:11:07.399
seem to do anything anymore

01:11:07.479 --> 01:11:08.860
since we stopped paying him, so...

01:11:10.400 --> 01:11:11.521
I don't know.

01:11:11.542 --> 01:11:12.181
That seems reasonable.

01:11:12.703 --> 01:11:13.222
Yeah.

01:11:13.302 --> 01:11:14.104
Is it related though?

01:11:15.003 --> 01:11:15.585
I don't know.

01:11:15.625 --> 01:11:16.765
Something, something busy.

01:11:17.706 --> 01:11:18.487
Something, something busy.

01:11:18.527 --> 01:11:19.146
I think.

01:11:19.306 --> 01:11:20.228
Yeah.

01:11:20.287 --> 01:11:21.469
I mean, now that, now that Juno's pumping,

01:11:21.488 --> 01:11:22.630
you should have a lot more time, I think.

01:11:22.689 --> 01:11:24.770
Right.

01:11:24.810 --> 01:11:25.612
Selling rewards.

01:11:27.113 --> 01:11:28.253
Ben, Ben Davis games.

01:11:28.514 --> 01:11:29.574
Well, actually there's been quite,

01:11:29.614 --> 01:11:31.095
quite a few mentions of quant.

01:11:31.115 --> 01:11:32.076
I don't know.

01:11:32.095 --> 01:11:33.417
There's some, I have no idea.

01:11:33.858 --> 01:11:34.198
So no.

01:11:34.658 --> 01:11:35.719
Is that a new bad kids?

01:11:37.532 --> 01:11:38.372
I don't think.

01:11:38.393 --> 01:11:41.797
Is Quan going to do a new bag?

01:11:41.898 --> 01:11:42.939
Knowing these a lot,

01:11:43.019 --> 01:11:48.365
it's either a meme or some dead chain.

01:11:48.386 --> 01:11:48.886
Remember I said we'll be

01:11:48.926 --> 01:11:50.149
back after the third of December.

01:11:50.408 --> 01:11:51.489
That's good.

01:11:51.510 --> 01:11:52.190
We could use the news.

01:11:53.233 --> 01:11:53.632
Who will be?

01:11:53.773 --> 01:11:54.514
Oh, right.

01:11:54.533 --> 01:11:55.475
Well, we won't pay you soon.

01:11:59.186 --> 01:11:59.967
Oh, that's good.

01:12:00.007 --> 01:12:02.729
Fourth is... Oh, the fourth.

01:12:02.890 --> 01:12:03.890
Actually, we do have somebody coming.

01:12:03.951 --> 01:12:04.890
We even have Jasper.

01:12:04.971 --> 01:12:06.752
Why will we be back after

01:12:06.773 --> 01:12:07.894
the third of December?

01:12:08.354 --> 01:12:09.354
We will... Oh,

01:12:09.454 --> 01:12:10.996
we'll be back after the third.

01:12:11.015 --> 01:12:12.077
So he will be back.

01:12:12.516 --> 01:12:13.118
Back from where?

01:12:13.297 --> 01:12:13.898
Where did you go?

01:12:14.719 --> 01:12:17.100
Back to help out with us.

01:12:19.221 --> 01:12:20.663
I can't click links in

01:12:20.703 --> 01:12:25.046
the... What do you want from me?

01:12:27.769 --> 01:12:28.930
This has been a hell of a show.