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backbone is fucking insane

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do we lose him no I'm here

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Hello and welcome to Game of Nodes,

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a now once again weekly podcast.

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Well, it's this week anyway.

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I nearly said on the interchain.

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That would have been a deep cut.

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That's an old throwback.

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interchain the interchain

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the a weekly podcast on the

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democratic people's

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republic of korea ecosystem

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known as the cosmos

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ecosystem um okay so what

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what percentage of the

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cosmos do we reckon is

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currently uh is currently

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sybled by um kim jong-un ballpark number

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Thirty-three percent?

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Yeah, thirty-three point two percent.

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So it's not a problem.

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It's not a cyber attack.

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It's totally fine.

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It's inconvenient right now.

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What was the name of that

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validator that was like the

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whole of DYDX?

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Ex Machina?

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Ex Machina.

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Yeah, Ex Machina.

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Korean sleeper agent confirmed.

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Yeah, we should talk about that story.

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Just think,

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your shit coins could be profit.

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I mean, it's funny, isn't it?

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Because it's like, ah, well,

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obviously we're building

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these robust systems, a robust censorship,

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they're robust to all these different,

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robust to state actors.

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And then it's like, okay,

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so North Koreans are using

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this to launder money and you're like,

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Okay,

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maybe some robustness to maybe some

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sense of ship is fine.

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They have a nuclear program

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they're funding with this shit.

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We have friends in Korea,

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like South Korea.

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Although, to be fair,

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I was reading a thing a

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little while ago that said

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if you're South Korean,

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the thing to be concerned

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about is short-range

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conventional artillery,

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not nuclear weapons necessarily.

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Oh, really?

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apparently there's just so

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much dug in to like

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hillsides on the north

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korean side of the border

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and um seoul is quite close

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to the border in the

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grander scheme of things so

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apparently like that's the

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like weapons of mass

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destruction are like a nice

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headline but like if you

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can just lob half a million

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shells in an hour before

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anybody has any way of

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digging out those bunkers

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with airstrikes and it

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doesn't really matter like

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you know shell moves pretty quickly

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You know, I'm just wondering, like,

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at what point did they think that anyone,

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like,

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what was the catalyst for them to

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actually think that anyone

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would want to invade their

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fucking country?

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It's like nothing going on there.

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Yeah.

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mean I think the only reason

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to invade is to just remove

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it's like a stability

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question isn't it right um

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well there's two plays one

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is um stability from the

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point of view of south

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korean manufacturing and

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like economic um power and

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the other one is having a

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land border with china um

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with a friendly country

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because that I mean a

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massive oversimplification

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but that kind of buffer

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zone thing was part of the geopolitical

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um jostling in the korean

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war in the fifties right

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but that was also seventy

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years ago it it was a while

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ago I will give you that

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one yeah like it to me it's

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like okay it'd be it'd be

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like me laying siege to my

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shitty next door neighbor

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to steal his fucking

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nineteen seventies lawnmower

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yeah well there's a there's

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an argument isn't there

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about um if reunification

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happened it would just

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completely destroy south

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korea anyway so it's

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actually you can't you

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couldn't you couldn't but

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you know the only way that

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countries are going to do

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anything is if they just

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have a regime change yeah

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like there's no reason why

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that country can't be

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prosperous they just need

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to stop the fucking what

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they're doing because it

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clearly is not working

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Well, I mean,

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I don't know if it's entirely fair,

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right?

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Like,

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part of the reason why nothing

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they're doing is working is

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because there's so many

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sanctions against them.

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Sanctions, yeah.

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But they're never going to

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lose those sanctions if

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they're just a dictatorship

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that builds nuclear shit.

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I mean, if they weren't... Yeah,

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I don't know.

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They don't really have an

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economy of anything there, though.

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Like, their entire economy is to, like...

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Be a kind of failed pirate state.

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Yeah,

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it'd be like sell some dirt to China

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so that the Kim Jong-un can

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have a new fucking Rolls Royce.

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Yeah, it's all for their leader.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I mean, by the standards of crypto,

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what is it like?

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Two percent of all crypto

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transactions are North Korean hackers,

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basically.

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That's kind of crazy.

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Devastating if true.

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What are we doing here, lads?

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Thank you for your service.

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On the North Korean thing,

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I can quickly recommend a

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good graphic novel.

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It's by Guy DeLille.

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It's called Pyongyang,

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and it's about his time as

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a journalist there.

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um and it's very very weird

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um because it covers like

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he I think he was working

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as an animator um in some

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kind of like some foreign

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companies are allowed to go

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there and do specific

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things for a short period

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of time um some journalists

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are allowed there there's

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some aid agencies and

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things like that and just

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like international

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observers there's like a

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tiny little expat community

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um and everybody has to go

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around with like a um a

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north korean chaperone um

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who like basically always

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stands over their shoulder

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and tells them what to think.

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And it's super weird.

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And this guy's just like a French guy.

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And he's just like,

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and it's just like a really,

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really well observed, like quite,

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it is quite Frank and quite

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funny and a bit sad.

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And it's just about his time in,

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in North Korea.

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And like some of the things he did there,

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like going to the museum of

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all the cool shit North Korea has done.

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And it's just like a big

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hall of random crap and,

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and he's like okay cool um

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just like all of it is this

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is very bizarre but apart

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from that I don't to be

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honest know tons about

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north korea it's just like

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a really great graphic

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novel so I'm ordering it now

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Let's get that plug in there.

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It's really, really good.

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I mean, we'll put a link in the show notes,

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but this article we're talking about,

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it's an article on Coindesk

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talking about how North

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Korea is infiltrating the

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crypto industry.

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And part of those two stories,

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one is really,

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Zaki is heavily discussed in here, right?

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With his hiring of two DPRK super agents.

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I don't know if they're super agents.

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It might be just dudes trying to get work,

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but

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that go back a few different dates.

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They have like fake documents.

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There's a picture of like a Texas ID or a,

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or it looks like.

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That's the definition of a sleeper agent.

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Japanese passport.

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Yeah.

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Like shit like that, which is, I mean,

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this, I mean,

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I guess it's easier in this

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industry just because of

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the payment structure.

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Right.

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But like this,

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this has to be happening in thousands of,

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of,

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of fortune two thousand,

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like half the fortune two thousand.

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It probably has some sort of

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fake user associated to

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that that might be doing

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development work or

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something similar to that.

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Right.

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So is the other real story here as well?

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The author of the article in

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question is Sam Kessler,

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who everybody hated for

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reporting on prop prop

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sixteen back in the day.

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Oh, really?

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Again, once again, kicking,

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putting the boot into cosmos.

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Oh, I didn't know that.

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I looked at the byline and I was like,

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I was like, ah, it's our old friend Sam,

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who I never really

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particularly had a problem with,

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but lots of people hated

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him back in the day.

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Was he wrong?

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Well, no,

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he was like some people on the

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internet are trying to

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take money that isn't theirs.

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He was just reporting it, right?

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He was just stating what

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appeared to be the facts to

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the situation.

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He was just exposing all the

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dirty laundry that nobody

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wanted to have aired out.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, he really had to dig.

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It was real investigative

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journalism to look at the

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public transactions on a

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blockchain and go, wait a minute.

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Wait a minute.

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There's a governance prop to

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take away funds on a blockchain.

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You know, real multi-year investigation,

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that one.

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How much was it again?

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It was like two hundred

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million or something, wasn't it?

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One hundred twenty million.

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Yeah.

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One hundred twenty million.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Today's value.

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Ninety nine cents.

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Yeah.

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Ninety nine cents.

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Like OTC over the counter.

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We should just wait a couple of years.

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We're going to pay the.

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Yeah.

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I mean, to be fair,

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the time to delete those funds is now.

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They're just like, there's like, oh,

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thank God for the tax right now.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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You've done.

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You've done amazing work.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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That's pretty cool.

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I mean, not pretty cool.

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It's pretty interesting.

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I do like espionage shit

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like this and it's curious.

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And wasn't there, was there a recent,

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I'll have to see if I can dig it up,

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but I thought,

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I thought there was a Dex

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or something also recently that was,

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that somebody realized that it was a.

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A DPRK person who wrote something.

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Isn't it in that article?

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It's like one of the... Yeah,

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some decks got exploited.

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I'm pretty sure it's in that article.

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No, I missed it.

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One of the devs was a North

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Korean agent or something.

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The Rama comment on this... Obviously,

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our news researcher is hot...

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hot on top of this was on

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top of this before it was a

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story rama is inside the

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story rama rama is the

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story right um uh and rama

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uncovered this while he's

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taking his at least three

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months ago yeah so so rama

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rama alleges that specific

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code in question that was

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written by the north korean

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sleeper agents was the

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liquid staking module

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The thing is, though,

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that's just too good.

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It's too good if the liquid

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staking module was like a

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North Korean plant.

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Because that's too funny.

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So I'm not sure about that.

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Citation needed.

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But it'd be funny if true.

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Hilarious if true, in fact.

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He's giving a shit about

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going right to his news.

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Honestly,

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this is the first time we've

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actually talked about news

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in the first five minutes.

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It's been a hot while, hasn't it?

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It has.

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It feels like we haven't

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been together in a month and a half.

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Well, I mean,

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it's because we've been...

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Has it been longer?

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All these babies and shit.

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Will you guys knock it off?

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Take a pause.

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All I can hear right now is

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this fucking crying.

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Your noise cancelling is

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pretty good there.

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noise canceling is pretty

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good oh it's not this far

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away from the microphone

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that's that's this is why

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broadcast mics are the way

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to go that kind of that's

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right that that bubble of

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uh of area effect it really

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does like take the edge off

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the stuff around it um so

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yeah um you have aged in

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the last month though I can

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see it in your eyes

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Yeah.

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Actually,

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I didn't get much sleep last night.

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You're lucky I came today.

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It wasn't because of him either.

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It's just when I've closed my eyes,

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I didn't go to sleep.

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You're nervous about it.

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Talking to Shilty instead at

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fucking midnight.

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Meanwhile, it's two a.m.

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for me.

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You're like, wait, what are you doing?

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I'm like, what the fuck are you doing up?

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He's like, oh, this is my life now.

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It's like I'm up all the time.

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I'm like, same.

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I don't sleep anymore.

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Are babies sleeping at all for you two?

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He sleeps really well on me.

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Otherwise, it's not happening.

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Still?

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Oh boy, you guys are...

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They do love sleep, that's for sure.

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Yeah, they do.

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They do for sure.

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Well,

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I still feel frustrated because he

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was sleeping really well in

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the best Netflix three weeks.

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And it was a glorious three

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weeks where Cass and I were

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like catching up on sleep.

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And then one night he was just like, Yeah,

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we're not doing this anymore.

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It's like, Oh yeah, I forgot.

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I hated this.

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Yeah.

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They do weird stuff.

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They do.

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They regress.

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They regress.

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Eighteen months, right,

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of loving the bath.

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Favorite time of day.

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Bath is amazing.

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Yeah.

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We don't go in the bath anymore.

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If you go in the bath,

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there's something

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terrifying about the bath.

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I haven't figured it out yet.

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I think he's got big enough

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now where he can climb the

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steps in the kitchen up to the sink,

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and he can see the water

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going down the plug hole.

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And he can see that there's

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a plug hole in the bath.

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So our working theory is,

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is he understands the plug

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hole in the bath that's by

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his feet is where the water

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goes and he's like whoa

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whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

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how do I know how do I know

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how stuff ends up going

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down this thing I'm yeah

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he's undistractable he's

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just like how do I know I

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won't end up down yeah it's

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like getting flushed on the

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matrix right like just like

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where is this yeah

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apparently it's not uncommon

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Well, it's because it's all sealed in,

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isn't it?

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It's like quite a small bathroom.

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Yeah, you go downstairs or something.

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They come here, and it goes here,

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and it goes there,

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and it goes in the sewer.

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Don't show them the sewer, though.

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Don't do that.

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It's like Han Solo, isn't it?

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It's like, don't worry, kid.

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I know some maneuvers.

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And it's like,

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my maneuvers have not worked.

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We're currently on one day in three.

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We just do the waterboarding,

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and he screams all the way

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through it while I'm

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like... Our kids always

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hate this fucking bath.

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Do you guys have the sink

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waste grinder things there?

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Yeah.

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Show him that.

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Show him that shit.

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Oh, yeah.

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We do not have those.

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Just stuff the end of the

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broom down there and let

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him watch it disappear.

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Yeah, we don't have those in this country.

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That shit is madness.

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You ever seen the film Rolling Thunder?

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No.

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It's supposed to be, I think,

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Quentin Tarantino's favorite movie.

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It's like this old...

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shitty kind of exploitation

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revenge flick from maybe

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like the early seventies.

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So it's like, you know,

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absolutely the kind of shit

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that Tarantino would be into.

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In the first few minutes of the film,

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the main character has a

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unpleasant interaction with

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a sink waste grinder that

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will make you not ever want to

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see one again um every time

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you see one you'll be like

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out the corner of your eye

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you're like oh yeah I've

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seen I've seen rolling

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thunder don't you come near

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me like that's um it's it's

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a it's absolutely fantastic

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it's got a really young

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tommy lee jones in it as

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well um who's great and

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seventy seven oh and william devane

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yeah it's it's it's an

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amazing film right in in

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all of the best terrible

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ways and it's one of those

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films like escape from new

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york or something right

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where it's a film the

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action happens and then

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it's like bam roll credits

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we are done like it's not a

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shadow of a doubt like you

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just like here is the

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action is finished we're

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done roll credits ninety

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minutes or whatever like

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not wasting your time.

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Like these jerk off modern

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films are like three hours

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long where an hour of that

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you could just easily cut.

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You're like, look,

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escape from New York is like what?

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Eighty seven minutes or something.

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It's like it gets down to it.

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You've got to you've got to

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really you've got to have a really,

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really good reason to go in above that.

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Right.

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You better have something

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pretty revelatory in your film.

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Alright, that's on the watch list.

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If we're doing recommendations right now,

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this is the recommendation

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part of the podcast.

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Sure.

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I just finished watching Chaos on Netflix.

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And if you like Jeff Goldblum,

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that's a big asterisk.

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If you like him, it's a great show.

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Really enjoy it.

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It's like Greek mythology in very fun,

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modern ways.

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I have watched the first

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episode or two of that.

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yeah it was it didn't it

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didn't captivate me right

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off the bat but I've got to

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I've got to give it more of

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a go well hence the

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asterisk if you like jeff

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goldblum like I'll watch it

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I do I'm a big fan of

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fucking uh jurassic park

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okay it's on the maybe list

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over here it's on the maybe

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list you seen you seen

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samurai cop by the way big

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yinzer jeff goldblum is he

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yeah I didn't know that

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he's a yinzer yep I met him

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in the pittsburgh airport actually

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Really?

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Were you like Big Enza?

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He's like Big Enza.

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He's fucking enormous, eh?

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Is he like a giant?

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Is he fucking huge in person?

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No, he's enormous.

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He looks huge.

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He looks huge in Jurassic

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Park when he's sitting in the helicopter.

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I'm like, that guy's a fucking giant.

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I think he's got small torso and big legs.

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Yeah,

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I think everybody else is short in

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that way.

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I think he's quite an average size.

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know he plays anyway

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whatever all right so uh

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what we're on the

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recommends um bad monkey is

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good so if you haven't

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watched it bad monkey that

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sounds familiar but I don't

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know what new tv show it's

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got uh got the funny guy in

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it I don't know that's

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pretty good the funny guy

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vince fine funny guy yeah

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hey I mean like samurai cop

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if you've not yet watched

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that please is that on

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netflix it sounds horrible

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samurai cop it's like a I

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don't know it's made like

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made like in maybe in the

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nineties or early two

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thousands it's like a low

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budget yeah it's like a

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four point six out of ten

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on imdb I don't know if

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that's worth my time no no

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no this is the this is the

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good this is the good kind

00:18:49.569 --> 00:18:50.431
of four point five this is

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have you seen my ambience

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It's got to be in the threes

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or in the sevens.

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No, I've got to say, sorry,

00:18:56.496 --> 00:18:57.375
just shut your bitch mouth.

00:18:57.395 --> 00:18:58.557
You don't know what you're talking about.

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Everything between there is

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fucking... Can I just fucking stop you?

00:19:01.898 --> 00:19:03.039
This is like Miami

00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:06.582
Connection level of primo nonsense.

00:19:06.622 --> 00:19:09.384
This is like police chase.

00:19:09.943 --> 00:19:11.204
Call up the helicopter.

00:19:11.845 --> 00:19:12.346
Where are you?

00:19:12.425 --> 00:19:13.125
We're just landing.

00:19:13.306 --> 00:19:13.906
Don't land.

00:19:14.967 --> 00:19:15.846
Like the dialogue,

00:19:15.886 --> 00:19:16.787
none of it makes any sense.

00:19:16.807 --> 00:19:17.607
It's fucking great.

00:19:17.728 --> 00:19:18.367
It's fucking great.

00:19:19.708 --> 00:19:22.669
His name's like Mr. Yamamachi,

00:19:22.949 --> 00:19:23.888
so he's like a ninja.

00:19:25.709 --> 00:19:28.289
It's like they didn't even try.

00:19:28.309 --> 00:19:29.410
It sounds like a good film

00:19:29.430 --> 00:19:31.509
you can watch as you're

00:19:31.549 --> 00:19:32.750
going to sleep because

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there's no way you're going

00:19:33.590 --> 00:19:34.411
to be invested in it.

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It's like,

00:19:36.431 --> 00:19:37.811
have you ever seen Garth

00:19:37.832 --> 00:19:39.192
Marenghi's Dark Place, right?

00:19:41.067 --> 00:19:42.468
it's like a classic iconic

00:19:42.768 --> 00:19:48.352
um uh like weird horror uh

00:19:48.711 --> 00:19:50.292
low budget British comedy

00:19:50.413 --> 00:19:51.273
from like the early two

00:19:51.294 --> 00:19:52.355
thousands and it like

00:19:52.494 --> 00:19:53.955
exactly what it's called or

00:19:54.016 --> 00:19:55.096
do you just add in the

00:19:55.136 --> 00:19:56.477
director's name before the

00:19:56.538 --> 00:19:58.618
title of movies no that's

00:19:58.638 --> 00:20:00.619
the name of it it's called

00:20:00.660 --> 00:20:03.041
dark place because each one

00:20:03.102 --> 00:20:04.583
starts with it it's it's

00:20:04.722 --> 00:20:05.423
basically like a

00:20:05.483 --> 00:20:07.464
documentary about the iconic

00:20:09.401 --> 00:20:11.261
horror show Garth Marenghi's

00:20:11.301 --> 00:20:12.582
Dark Place or just Dark

00:20:12.622 --> 00:20:15.064
Place for short but it's

00:20:15.183 --> 00:20:16.183
done like a Channel Four

00:20:16.243 --> 00:20:17.545
documentary about the show

00:20:17.565 --> 00:20:18.645
that used to happen and

00:20:18.726 --> 00:20:19.826
each one is introduced by

00:20:19.886 --> 00:20:21.307
Garth Marenghi and it's

00:20:21.366 --> 00:20:22.288
like you know the Crystal

00:20:22.327 --> 00:20:23.248
Maze or any of those things

00:20:23.268 --> 00:20:24.489
from the nineties where he

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sat there in a chair with

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like a skull and he's got

00:20:27.111 --> 00:20:28.050
his horror book and he's

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just like welcome to the

00:20:29.872 --> 00:20:31.413
mind of Garth Marenghi and

00:20:31.712 --> 00:20:33.034
in the nineteen nineties,

00:20:33.153 --> 00:20:34.455
I was briefly able to

00:20:34.516 --> 00:20:35.856
produce a television show

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so horrifying that it

00:20:37.678 --> 00:20:40.381
rattles the bones of its viewers today.

00:20:40.760 --> 00:20:43.542
And like it's just and it's just so weird.

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And then they show you part of it.

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You know,

00:20:45.765 --> 00:20:46.645
they'll show you bits of it and

00:20:46.665 --> 00:20:47.906
they'll interview people from it.

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And the TV show just has this super shit,

00:20:51.931 --> 00:20:53.571
super earnest quality to it.

00:20:53.832 --> 00:20:56.054
And Samurai Cop is that in a

00:20:56.114 --> 00:20:58.256
cop movie is Garth Murray's Darkplace.

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But but that

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And the other thing about

00:21:01.096 --> 00:21:01.897
Darkplace is there's loads

00:21:01.958 --> 00:21:03.199
of actors who went on to do

00:21:03.239 --> 00:21:05.980
lots of other stuff like Richard Ayoade,

00:21:06.020 --> 00:21:06.661
I think it was one of his

00:21:06.681 --> 00:21:07.541
first things was Darkplace

00:21:07.561 --> 00:21:09.042
because they were all young

00:21:09.083 --> 00:21:10.324
comics together, right?

00:21:10.384 --> 00:21:12.384
So he wrote Darkplace for his friends.

00:21:15.326 --> 00:21:15.827
What's his name?

00:21:16.008 --> 00:21:17.048
Who's Toasted Blondin?

00:21:17.818 --> 00:21:18.740
Matt Berry, I love.

00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:19.299
Matt Berry.

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So Matt Berry's in it.

00:21:20.621 --> 00:21:21.761
He plays one of the main guys.

00:21:21.801 --> 00:21:22.102
Yeah, yeah.

00:21:22.402 --> 00:21:24.103
So it's Richard Ayoade and Matt Berry,

00:21:24.262 --> 00:21:25.263
the two main people apart

00:21:25.284 --> 00:21:26.625
from Matthew Holmes, who wrote it.

00:21:27.224 --> 00:21:28.766
And Matthew Holmes wrote it.

00:21:28.786 --> 00:21:29.646
It's obviously a comedy.

00:21:30.007 --> 00:21:31.167
And everybody was like, oh,

00:21:31.208 --> 00:21:31.907
Matthew Holmes is going to

00:21:31.928 --> 00:21:32.828
be this new comedy force.

00:21:32.848 --> 00:21:33.589
And he was like, oh, no,

00:21:33.750 --> 00:21:34.509
I just wanted to do a

00:21:34.569 --> 00:21:36.010
satire horror thing.

00:21:37.251 --> 00:21:38.073
I'm going to go and just

00:21:38.093 --> 00:21:39.634
like have a normal career now.

00:21:39.653 --> 00:21:40.233
See you guys later.

00:21:40.253 --> 00:21:40.653
Peace out.

00:21:41.095 --> 00:21:41.734
He just disappeared.

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Like and then like fifteen years later,

00:21:43.836 --> 00:21:45.518
he did an actual horror film.

00:21:46.218 --> 00:21:47.058
like as a project.

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And people were like, oh,

00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:49.019
Matthew Holmes is back.

00:21:49.059 --> 00:21:50.320
It's probably some great satire.

00:21:50.361 --> 00:21:51.142
And they went to see it.

00:21:51.261 --> 00:21:53.223
And it was just a slasher,

00:21:53.443 --> 00:21:54.183
like a horror film.

00:21:55.105 --> 00:21:56.086
And then they were like, what the fuck?

00:21:56.766 --> 00:21:57.846
And he's like,

00:21:57.866 --> 00:22:00.048
I was always just into horror.

00:22:00.368 --> 00:22:01.470
It's just that all my

00:22:01.509 --> 00:22:03.751
friends were comedians and

00:22:03.791 --> 00:22:05.093
they were very funny people.

00:22:05.173 --> 00:22:06.513
And so I wrote a thing

00:22:07.275 --> 00:22:08.695
because they inspired me.

00:22:08.776 --> 00:22:10.717
It wasn't like it's like

00:22:10.877 --> 00:22:12.097
it's like a really strange guy.

00:22:13.914 --> 00:22:14.736
um I don't know I'm sold

00:22:15.296 --> 00:22:16.836
samurai cop but also garth

00:22:16.875 --> 00:22:18.196
merengue's dark place is is

00:22:18.237 --> 00:22:20.457
very entertaining um I

00:22:20.477 --> 00:22:21.438
think the first line from

00:22:21.458 --> 00:22:22.298
the entire thing is

00:22:22.317 --> 00:22:24.397
something like blood blood

00:22:25.078 --> 00:22:30.480
blood and piss and the only

00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:32.000
the the highlighter review

00:22:32.040 --> 00:22:33.800
on imdb for samurai cop is

00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:36.041
the title is entertaining garbage

00:22:37.241 --> 00:22:37.682
Yes.

00:22:38.462 --> 00:22:40.462
Yes, it is.

00:22:40.502 --> 00:22:41.564
And if you like Samurai Cop,

00:22:41.804 --> 00:22:43.044
Miami Connection is the...

00:22:43.064 --> 00:22:44.045
We've talked about Miami Connection.

00:22:44.424 --> 00:22:46.105
That's a good movie.

00:22:46.125 --> 00:22:46.266
Right.

00:22:46.326 --> 00:22:47.346
If you like Miami Connection,

00:22:47.645 --> 00:22:49.727
Samurai Cop is more of Miami Connection.

00:22:49.787 --> 00:22:51.028
It doesn't have motorcycle

00:22:51.228 --> 00:22:53.709
riding cocaine niches, sadly.

00:22:54.929 --> 00:22:56.549
But it's in the same kind of vibe.

00:22:57.089 --> 00:22:57.671
It doesn't have that bit

00:22:57.691 --> 00:22:58.391
where that guy gets the

00:22:58.451 --> 00:23:00.811
letter and he's like, oh my God, you guys,

00:23:00.872 --> 00:23:03.113
it's a letter from my father.

00:23:03.613 --> 00:23:05.493
And then he just starts crying.

00:23:08.173 --> 00:23:13.796
uh oh god um what the hell

00:23:13.836 --> 00:23:14.776
hey an actually good film

00:23:14.895 --> 00:23:16.497
have you seen furiosa mad

00:23:16.517 --> 00:23:18.596
max the the no it's just

00:23:18.896 --> 00:23:19.897
it's just really strange

00:23:19.917 --> 00:23:21.417
started watching it started

00:23:21.438 --> 00:23:23.259
watching it it's good it's

00:23:23.298 --> 00:23:24.579
good it's really well shot

00:23:25.019 --> 00:23:25.960
like I mean george miller

00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:28.681
just he he makes good films

00:23:28.701 --> 00:23:29.260
doesn't he and the

00:23:29.340 --> 00:23:30.821
practical stunts dude

00:23:31.021 --> 00:23:31.981
you're just like how the

00:23:32.021 --> 00:23:33.502
fuck did they do some of this

00:23:35.355 --> 00:23:37.336
Oh, is it still futuristic Australia?

00:23:38.458 --> 00:23:40.239
Yeah.

00:23:40.278 --> 00:23:40.559
Yeah.

00:23:40.660 --> 00:23:40.779
Yeah.

00:23:40.819 --> 00:23:40.900
Yeah.

00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:42.141
It's like two years, two years,

00:23:42.181 --> 00:23:42.921
two years in the future.

00:23:42.961 --> 00:23:43.481
Something like that.

00:23:44.221 --> 00:23:45.363
Current central.

00:23:45.482 --> 00:23:46.103
Two years ago.

00:23:47.364 --> 00:23:47.904
History flick.

00:23:47.924 --> 00:23:49.005
Yeah.

00:23:49.266 --> 00:23:49.746
Yeah.

00:23:50.105 --> 00:23:50.866
It's, it's really good.

00:23:51.227 --> 00:23:54.788
Um, uh, that,

00:23:54.808 --> 00:23:55.829
and then that was a two hour

00:23:55.869 --> 00:23:58.112
film where I didn't feel bored.

00:23:59.192 --> 00:24:00.413
um but then there's a lot of

00:24:00.972 --> 00:24:01.833
there was a lot of stuff

00:24:01.853 --> 00:24:02.953
blowing up so that's

00:24:02.973 --> 00:24:03.733
probably why it kept my

00:24:03.773 --> 00:24:06.535
attention that helps yeah

00:24:06.575 --> 00:24:07.576
you're just like oh wow

00:24:07.596 --> 00:24:08.955
that car drove into that

00:24:08.996 --> 00:24:10.116
car and that car is now

00:24:10.136 --> 00:24:11.257
flipping over awesome

00:24:11.277 --> 00:24:16.939
awesome that's good um so

00:24:16.959 --> 00:24:21.621
yeah korea korea I wonder

00:24:21.641 --> 00:24:22.981
if they like I want koreans

00:24:23.021 --> 00:24:23.701
like samurai cup

00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:25.799
It's all they have there.

00:24:26.500 --> 00:24:27.141
It's all they have there.

00:24:27.661 --> 00:24:28.861
Just samurai cops.

00:24:29.461 --> 00:24:30.622
It's like a whole samurai

00:24:30.642 --> 00:24:32.041
cop on repeat channel.

00:24:33.082 --> 00:24:33.821
Yeah, just a shrine.

00:24:34.061 --> 00:24:39.423
Shrine samurai cops.

00:24:39.443 --> 00:24:39.844
DPRK.

00:24:39.884 --> 00:24:41.944
That's like a lowball for us.

00:24:42.765 --> 00:24:43.724
Samurai cops.

00:24:43.964 --> 00:24:45.665
There's samurai cops, samurai cop two,

00:24:46.026 --> 00:24:47.586
samurai cop enter the samurai.

00:24:48.165 --> 00:24:48.626
Oh, God.

00:24:48.646 --> 00:24:49.426
Samurai cop enter the samurai.

00:24:50.852 --> 00:24:53.094
I cannot recommend anything

00:24:53.193 --> 00:24:54.575
other than samurai cop uh

00:24:55.155 --> 00:24:56.176
let's be clear about that

00:24:56.237 --> 00:24:58.159
and even then you know the

00:24:58.199 --> 00:24:59.539
caveats will apply do they

00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:00.240
appeal to different

00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:01.181
audiences kind of like the

00:25:01.221 --> 00:25:02.923
toxic avengers like people

00:25:02.942 --> 00:25:03.983
like the toxic avenger and

00:25:04.023 --> 00:25:05.064
people really like toxic

00:25:05.084 --> 00:25:06.346
avenger too but they're

00:25:06.365 --> 00:25:07.606
like those venn diagrams

00:25:07.626 --> 00:25:08.227
are not actually

00:25:08.267 --> 00:25:11.390
overlapping that much it's weird

00:25:13.815 --> 00:25:14.695
Yeah, maybe.

00:25:15.296 --> 00:25:17.718
I mean, maybe it's people that heard it.

00:25:17.817 --> 00:25:19.680
It's like, you know, The Room,

00:25:20.380 --> 00:25:22.981
the film The Room that Tommy Wiseau did.

00:25:23.343 --> 00:25:24.784
It's like people that watch

00:25:24.903 --> 00:25:26.865
any of his other films

00:25:27.605 --> 00:25:28.946
because you suspect they don't

00:25:34.921 --> 00:25:37.242
Hey, wait, what?

00:25:37.262 --> 00:25:40.204
No, we just lost Null.

00:25:40.345 --> 00:25:40.625
He was like,

00:25:40.665 --> 00:25:44.087
how dare you say that Tommy

00:25:44.128 --> 00:25:45.410
Wiseau is not a creative

00:25:45.430 --> 00:25:46.529
genius that I know him to be.

00:25:46.549 --> 00:25:49.613
You mean an Australia joke and he left?

00:25:50.874 --> 00:25:52.115
Yeah.

00:25:52.174 --> 00:25:53.175
We didn't say anything mean

00:25:53.195 --> 00:25:56.618
about Australia.

00:25:56.739 --> 00:25:58.200
I don't think there was much

00:25:58.259 --> 00:26:03.064
mean about Australia in there, really.

00:26:03.124 --> 00:26:04.325
I'm sure it was a baby situation.

00:26:05.413 --> 00:26:06.373
probably was a baby

00:26:06.413 --> 00:26:07.513
situation I do I do like

00:26:07.534 --> 00:26:09.295
the way that I do like the

00:26:09.315 --> 00:26:10.434
way that we started and and

00:26:11.255 --> 00:26:12.675
bragging about the solidity

00:26:12.695 --> 00:26:13.455
of the internet and then

00:26:13.836 --> 00:26:17.458
video pauses yeah we we had

00:26:17.478 --> 00:26:19.778
a hot minute there um that

00:26:19.818 --> 00:26:23.059
always makes me laugh

00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:24.619
lovely stuff so what else

00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:25.861
is new what's happening I

00:26:25.881 --> 00:26:26.280
know it's been a

00:26:30.740 --> 00:26:31.539
Yeah, things are good.

00:26:32.080 --> 00:26:35.182
Did you go to that?

00:26:35.262 --> 00:26:36.682
You were in Central America, right?

00:26:36.762 --> 00:26:38.984
I was, yeah.

00:26:39.144 --> 00:26:40.365
Did you go near that place

00:26:40.384 --> 00:26:41.965
where there's that bar on

00:26:42.006 --> 00:26:46.548
the coast that's in an old CIA plane?

00:26:46.608 --> 00:26:47.608
No, I don't know.

00:26:47.970 --> 00:26:49.029
Where is that?

00:26:49.690 --> 00:26:50.631
Yeah.

00:26:51.178 --> 00:26:52.538
think it's near Manuel

00:26:52.577 --> 00:26:53.778
Antonio in Costa Rica.

00:26:53.858 --> 00:26:54.959
Oh, really?

00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:59.180
I mean, this is like, okay,

00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:00.480
so I would have been there

00:27:00.980 --> 00:27:02.141
sixteen or seventeen years

00:27:02.161 --> 00:27:03.161
ago when I was backpacking.

00:27:05.421 --> 00:27:08.622
It was one of the planes

00:27:08.642 --> 00:27:10.803
that the CIA used to

00:27:10.982 --> 00:27:13.042
smuggle stuff around for the Contras,

00:27:13.143 --> 00:27:16.284
I think, in Nicaragua.

00:27:16.443 --> 00:27:19.025
Yeah, and the plane just got, I guess,

00:27:19.065 --> 00:27:20.404
eventually abandoned or

00:27:21.554 --> 00:27:21.973
or whatever.

00:27:22.034 --> 00:27:22.815
I don't really know how the

00:27:22.855 --> 00:27:24.075
CIA covered their tracks.

00:27:24.095 --> 00:27:25.256
You'd have to ask the CIA.

00:27:26.395 --> 00:27:27.896
But somebody ended up with this plane,

00:27:27.936 --> 00:27:28.676
so they stuck it on a

00:27:28.717 --> 00:27:32.979
hillside and turned it into a bar.

00:27:33.038 --> 00:27:34.059
And I got drunk there once.

00:27:34.099 --> 00:27:34.839
It was kind of cool.

00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:35.079
Oh, you did?

00:27:35.099 --> 00:27:35.759
You've been there?

00:27:35.861 --> 00:27:36.941
Yeah,

00:27:38.781 --> 00:27:40.162
I had some beers in the cockpit of

00:27:40.182 --> 00:27:41.883
this old, like, fucked up.

00:27:43.203 --> 00:27:44.304
I guess it must have been

00:27:44.324 --> 00:27:45.845
something like a B- twenty-five Mitchell,

00:27:45.865 --> 00:27:47.286
but maybe converted into

00:27:47.405 --> 00:27:49.326
like a cargo plane, something like that.

00:27:49.406 --> 00:27:50.247
And then converted into a bar?

00:27:50.967 --> 00:27:52.087
And then convert it into a bar.

00:27:52.107 --> 00:27:52.828
That sounds like a fun thing

00:27:52.848 --> 00:27:53.269
to hang out in.

00:27:53.670 --> 00:27:54.790
Yeah, you know the score, right?

00:27:55.832 --> 00:27:57.054
That's why when you were like, oh,

00:27:57.074 --> 00:27:58.474
I'm going to Central America, I was like,

00:27:58.515 --> 00:27:59.655
go to the CIA plane.

00:27:59.717 --> 00:28:00.156
And you were like,

00:28:00.196 --> 00:28:01.137
what the fuck are you talking about?

00:28:01.157 --> 00:28:01.618
I was like,

00:28:02.318 --> 00:28:02.980
I don't know what the hell

00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.501
you're talking about.

00:28:04.521 --> 00:28:05.142
I mean, to be fair.

00:28:05.162 --> 00:28:06.523
Go ahead.

00:28:07.526 --> 00:28:09.227
Well, you know, when you go on a night out,

00:28:09.287 --> 00:28:09.527
right.

00:28:09.626 --> 00:28:10.307
And you've already had a

00:28:10.327 --> 00:28:11.367
couple of beers and somebody's like,

00:28:11.387 --> 00:28:12.608
let's go to the CIA plane.

00:28:12.628 --> 00:28:13.528
And then you grab a local

00:28:13.568 --> 00:28:15.190
taxi and you go to the CIA plane.

00:28:15.230 --> 00:28:16.451
You're like, this is a great time.

00:28:16.490 --> 00:28:17.250
And then you tell people

00:28:17.290 --> 00:28:17.931
about it afterwards.

00:28:17.951 --> 00:28:18.412
They're like,

00:28:19.112 --> 00:28:23.733
is this one of your fever dreams?

00:28:23.753 --> 00:28:24.835
This really happened.

00:28:24.974 --> 00:28:25.934
Okay.

00:28:26.115 --> 00:28:26.996
It's a real place.

00:28:27.016 --> 00:28:27.496
Yeah.

00:28:27.516 --> 00:28:28.737
I was down there for, I don't know,

00:28:28.777 --> 00:28:29.717
just like four or five nights.

00:28:29.737 --> 00:28:30.798
I have a buddy of mine.

00:28:32.042 --> 00:28:33.202
extended buddy of mine

00:28:33.824 --> 00:28:34.544
bought a place there.

00:28:34.564 --> 00:28:35.923
There's like, there's a lot of,

00:28:36.664 --> 00:28:38.244
it's starting to develop right.

00:28:38.904 --> 00:28:39.244
CR.

00:28:39.545 --> 00:28:42.105
And so there's a lot more money flowing in,

00:28:42.165 --> 00:28:43.067
which is good and bad.

00:28:43.926 --> 00:28:45.207
And not,

00:28:45.326 --> 00:28:46.728
not this example that I'm talking

00:28:46.748 --> 00:28:46.988
about here,

00:28:47.028 --> 00:28:47.807
but there's a lot of

00:28:47.847 --> 00:28:48.827
development going on there.

00:28:48.847 --> 00:28:50.409
And you know, there's, there's,

00:28:50.429 --> 00:28:51.489
there's some resorts moving in there,

00:28:51.509 --> 00:28:53.069
but not too many actually where we were.

00:28:53.849 --> 00:28:54.809
And so we knew it was,

00:28:54.869 --> 00:28:55.790
I knew it was rainy season,

00:28:55.810 --> 00:28:56.830
but it was just like a, Hey,

00:28:56.851 --> 00:28:58.330
let's go hang out for a few days.

00:28:58.371 --> 00:28:59.892
So we went down there.

00:28:59.912 --> 00:29:00.311
The only thing that,

00:29:01.112 --> 00:29:03.512
With rainy season, it was pretty overcast,

00:29:03.553 --> 00:29:05.574
but with some days of

00:29:05.634 --> 00:29:07.595
sunshine here and there.

00:29:07.634 --> 00:29:08.355
But we did have a good time.

00:29:08.394 --> 00:29:10.375
So the bars are fun there.

00:29:10.455 --> 00:29:11.576
It wasn't crazy.

00:29:11.856 --> 00:29:12.596
It wasn't like spring break

00:29:12.616 --> 00:29:13.217
or anything like that.

00:29:14.778 --> 00:29:16.098
And then rainy season is fun

00:29:16.118 --> 00:29:17.578
just because we did some

00:29:17.598 --> 00:29:18.640
ATVing and things like that

00:29:18.700 --> 00:29:20.641
where we had to float ATVs

00:29:20.661 --> 00:29:21.161
down the river.

00:29:21.961 --> 00:29:22.561
um and shit like that

00:29:22.602 --> 00:29:23.442
because it was it was so

00:29:23.462 --> 00:29:24.983
much fucking water and so

00:29:25.023 --> 00:29:26.424
we were blasting through

00:29:26.645 --> 00:29:27.646
like through the jungle and

00:29:27.686 --> 00:29:29.567
through these massive um

00:29:29.828 --> 00:29:30.910
teakwood forests which are

00:29:30.950 --> 00:29:32.330
just gorgeous and like

00:29:32.351 --> 00:29:33.511
there's slots in the trees

00:29:33.551 --> 00:29:35.114
and you can see they call I

00:29:35.134 --> 00:29:35.693
think they're a different

00:29:35.713 --> 00:29:36.535
kind of monkey here we

00:29:36.555 --> 00:29:37.536
would call like a howler monkey

00:29:38.155 --> 00:29:39.336
um they're all up the huge

00:29:39.376 --> 00:29:40.336
mahalo monkey families and

00:29:40.356 --> 00:29:41.357
things like that and we're

00:29:41.377 --> 00:29:42.897
just crossing we must we

00:29:42.938 --> 00:29:43.538
must have crossed the

00:29:44.098 --> 00:29:45.920
rivers like fifty or sixty

00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:47.000
times over a course of four

00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.340
hours um so we went up to

00:29:49.361 --> 00:29:50.362
there which was which was

00:29:50.442 --> 00:29:51.842
great and you know big long

00:29:52.321 --> 00:29:53.462
tour of that and you end up

00:29:53.482 --> 00:29:54.282
at the beach and you go to

00:29:54.303 --> 00:29:55.784
a bar so everything ends up

00:29:55.804 --> 00:29:57.085
the bar that's no doubt but

00:29:57.865 --> 00:30:00.066
um so anyway it's it's not like a

00:30:00.586 --> 00:30:01.307
I mean it wasn't like a

00:30:01.346 --> 00:30:02.728
vacation vacation where the

00:30:02.748 --> 00:30:03.548
you know you have sunshine

00:30:03.568 --> 00:30:04.288
things like that but it was

00:30:04.328 --> 00:30:05.130
it was fun just to hang out

00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:06.671
and we drank and got wet is

00:30:06.691 --> 00:30:07.711
really what it turned into

00:30:08.673 --> 00:30:10.555
but I could just stay here

00:30:10.575 --> 00:30:12.056
and hose myself down and

00:30:12.115 --> 00:30:14.778
drink myself silly but nice

00:30:14.798 --> 00:30:15.499
there's more humid down

00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:17.340
there sounds good yeah it

00:30:17.381 --> 00:30:18.682
was good yeah only like I'm

00:30:18.721 --> 00:30:19.742
like honestly pager duty

00:30:19.762 --> 00:30:20.624
left me alone for the most

00:30:20.663 --> 00:30:23.685
part stupid upgrades here

00:30:23.705 --> 00:30:25.548
and there that was it it

00:30:25.567 --> 00:30:26.568
was pretty quiet actually

00:30:27.892 --> 00:30:28.413
It was one of those things

00:30:28.432 --> 00:30:31.880
like things still, I don't know,

00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:33.061
every once in a while you get lucky,

00:30:33.102 --> 00:30:33.282
right?

00:30:33.303 --> 00:30:34.223
Like nothing breaks.

00:30:35.369 --> 00:30:36.029
for stupid shit.

00:30:36.049 --> 00:30:37.191
The other thing we had, we've had,

00:30:37.631 --> 00:30:38.932
I've had, we've had one server.

00:30:39.011 --> 00:30:39.751
Well, two funny stories.

00:30:39.771 --> 00:30:40.692
When we had one server that,

00:30:40.992 --> 00:30:42.993
that keeps powering off for some reason,

00:30:43.054 --> 00:30:44.413
like it, it says it's thermal tripping,

00:30:44.433 --> 00:30:46.174
but it's not, it's like some BIOS issue,

00:30:46.194 --> 00:30:47.135
but it's only a one machine.

00:30:47.655 --> 00:30:48.797
Of course, there's an important one.

00:30:48.977 --> 00:30:49.836
And every once in a while,

00:30:49.856 --> 00:30:50.837
the thing is fucking flips

00:30:50.917 --> 00:30:51.958
off and all these alarms go

00:30:52.038 --> 00:30:53.298
off because there's like

00:30:53.318 --> 00:30:54.098
important shit on it.

00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:56.200
Nothing irreplaceable,

00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:56.859
but there's a couple,

00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.020
a couple of Tesla things,

00:30:58.040 --> 00:30:58.861
a couple of things around there.

00:30:59.481 --> 00:31:00.362
And so it's just really

00:31:00.422 --> 00:31:01.762
painful because you have to

00:31:01.782 --> 00:31:02.903
basically turn it on manually.

00:31:02.923 --> 00:31:04.084
So that's been a real pain in the ass.

00:31:05.969 --> 00:31:07.108
All you're saying is you're

00:31:07.148 --> 00:31:08.970
migrating that box to AWS now.

00:31:09.049 --> 00:31:13.673
It's going right to Contabo.

00:31:13.692 --> 00:31:14.993
Things don't feel like Contabo, man,

00:31:15.013 --> 00:31:15.493
let me tell you.

00:31:16.815 --> 00:31:18.355
It's just a bare metal bullshit thing.

00:31:20.017 --> 00:31:20.217
Yeah,

00:31:20.718 --> 00:31:22.558
and we got kicked off of a provider

00:31:22.598 --> 00:31:22.999
this week.

00:31:23.378 --> 00:31:24.079
Super exciting.

00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:25.721
Kicked off a provider?

00:31:25.760 --> 00:31:26.401
Which one?

00:31:26.421 --> 00:31:27.582
Yeah, they told us to fuck off.

00:31:29.528 --> 00:31:30.067
Which is amazing.

00:31:30.488 --> 00:31:30.667
Yeah.

00:31:30.909 --> 00:31:31.628
I don't want to name them.

00:31:32.189 --> 00:31:33.609
But so the story with this,

00:31:33.650 --> 00:31:34.309
it's not a big deal.

00:31:34.329 --> 00:31:34.529
Like,

00:31:35.170 --> 00:31:36.550
like we only have three machines there.

00:31:36.570 --> 00:31:37.371
We were trying them out.

00:31:37.391 --> 00:31:38.030
They're in Germany.

00:31:38.611 --> 00:31:39.030
Um,

00:31:39.111 --> 00:31:40.751
and I even met their CEO on a call and

00:31:40.771 --> 00:31:41.311
all this type of stuff.

00:31:41.332 --> 00:31:42.153
Like we just want to, like,

00:31:42.333 --> 00:31:43.532
I usually get to know where

00:31:43.553 --> 00:31:44.553
we're hosting things, right?

00:31:44.653 --> 00:31:46.213
Like if I can't, like if it's, if it's,

00:31:46.233 --> 00:31:48.994
I'm not, I'm not calling OVH, but, um,

00:31:49.055 --> 00:31:51.016
or other types of things or AWS, but, um,

00:31:51.076 --> 00:31:51.476
although we don't.

00:31:52.162 --> 00:31:52.422
whatever.

00:31:52.481 --> 00:31:52.603
So,

00:31:52.803 --> 00:31:53.703
so we met him and just try to talk

00:31:53.743 --> 00:31:54.766
about what we're doing and like,

00:31:55.226 --> 00:31:55.987
and like what their

00:31:56.028 --> 00:31:57.750
processes are and the support team.

00:31:57.769 --> 00:31:58.991
And it's a smaller provider.

00:31:59.071 --> 00:32:00.513
They, they have some nice bare metal, like,

00:32:00.733 --> 00:32:02.477
like they're slow, but like,

00:32:02.497 --> 00:32:02.896
they're pretty,

00:32:03.097 --> 00:32:04.338
like they seem pretty decent.

00:32:04.358 --> 00:32:05.019
So we've had machines there

00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:06.342
for maybe eight or nine months.

00:32:07.143 --> 00:32:07.743
And, uh,

00:32:08.444 --> 00:32:09.865
And one of them just, it just went down.

00:32:10.006 --> 00:32:11.346
Like it just, it just fell off.

00:32:11.708 --> 00:32:13.148
Like it just disappeared and

00:32:13.189 --> 00:32:14.229
I couldn't get into it and whatever else.

00:32:14.249 --> 00:32:15.089
It was Saturday morning.

00:32:15.691 --> 00:32:16.931
And so Saturday morning here.

00:32:17.011 --> 00:32:18.132
So I'm, I'm picking them like, Hey,

00:32:18.152 --> 00:32:18.752
this thing's down.

00:32:18.853 --> 00:32:20.933
And so if you put an emergency ticket in,

00:32:21.015 --> 00:32:21.954
and so it just disappeared,

00:32:22.035 --> 00:32:22.736
like it wasn't me.

00:32:22.776 --> 00:32:23.556
Like I haven't logged in

00:32:23.576 --> 00:32:24.557
that box in a fucking month.

00:32:24.977 --> 00:32:25.597
So it wasn't me.

00:32:25.637 --> 00:32:26.419
Like it just disappeared.

00:32:26.439 --> 00:32:28.660
So I said, I sent a text and I was like,

00:32:28.900 --> 00:32:29.661
all right,

00:32:30.242 --> 00:32:30.542
a ticket.

00:32:30.563 --> 00:32:32.084
I'm like, Hey, can you, you know, just the,

00:32:32.183 --> 00:32:33.144
and their portal,

00:32:33.243 --> 00:32:34.365
the reboot thing wasn't working.

00:32:34.384 --> 00:32:35.224
It was just through an error.

00:32:35.625 --> 00:32:37.026
The IPMI password was wrong.

00:32:37.046 --> 00:32:38.046
Like it was all fucked up.

00:32:38.205 --> 00:32:39.406
Like it was like, I couldn't do anything.

00:32:39.946 --> 00:32:40.287
So I just,

00:32:40.406 --> 00:32:41.488
I sent him a transaction light

00:32:41.528 --> 00:32:42.528
or a ticket.

00:32:42.548 --> 00:32:44.388
Like, Hey, you just reboot this thing.

00:32:44.409 --> 00:32:45.429
I just want to see what comes back.

00:32:45.548 --> 00:32:46.829
Cause maybe sometimes Linux

00:32:46.990 --> 00:32:47.670
does Linux things.

00:32:48.530 --> 00:32:50.951
And he's like, yeah, it's, it's our,

00:32:51.211 --> 00:32:53.353
our hours are email me right away.

00:32:53.373 --> 00:32:54.553
It was like two minutes later,

00:32:55.413 --> 00:32:56.114
just to say,

00:32:57.164 --> 00:32:58.766
that our ticket hours are

00:32:59.366 --> 00:33:01.647
eight to five Monday through Friday.

00:33:02.008 --> 00:33:02.929
If you want me to do it now, it's €.

00:33:03.068 --> 00:33:06.471
I'm like, it took you long.

00:33:06.531 --> 00:33:08.212
I'm like, I don't need you to do anything.

00:33:08.333 --> 00:33:09.554
I just want you to fix the

00:33:09.594 --> 00:33:10.233
thing that's supposed to

00:33:10.273 --> 00:33:11.214
work that says reboot.

00:33:11.414 --> 00:33:12.056
That's what I want you to do.

00:33:12.076 --> 00:33:12.915
I want you to fix that.

00:33:13.135 --> 00:33:13.997
That's not a ticket thing.

00:33:14.376 --> 00:33:15.357
Go fix your fucking shit.

00:33:16.178 --> 00:33:17.700
And he's like, yeah, €.

00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.321
I was like, and so what would you guys do?

00:33:23.864 --> 00:33:24.403
What would you do?

00:33:25.444 --> 00:33:26.205
It depends what's on it.

00:33:27.098 --> 00:33:28.220
If it was something critical, I'd be like,

00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:28.579
it's fine.

00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:29.559
I'll just eat the sixty.

00:33:30.740 --> 00:33:32.741
It was a redundant RPC note,

00:33:32.761 --> 00:33:33.721
but what would you do in

00:33:33.741 --> 00:33:40.125
that case if somebody told you that?

00:33:40.164 --> 00:33:40.964
I don't know what I would do.

00:33:41.305 --> 00:33:42.346
It depends on how fired up I was,

00:33:42.365 --> 00:33:43.365
what I had going on that weekend,

00:33:43.385 --> 00:33:44.126
to be honest with you.

00:33:44.727 --> 00:33:45.366
Generally, I'd be like,

00:33:45.787 --> 00:33:46.948
what the hell are you talking about?

00:33:48.105 --> 00:33:48.605
Yeah, I mean,

00:33:48.625 --> 00:33:49.965
the volume's been turned down

00:33:49.986 --> 00:33:51.227
on a lot of stuff, I would say,

00:33:51.247 --> 00:33:52.406
in the last eight months.

00:33:52.446 --> 00:33:54.027
I think if I'd had a good night's sleep,

00:33:54.106 --> 00:33:55.047
I'd probably just be so

00:33:55.086 --> 00:33:56.567
stoked about having a good

00:33:56.587 --> 00:33:59.667
night of sleep that I'd be like, hey, man,

00:34:00.188 --> 00:34:03.189
you know, it's your hardware.

00:34:03.808 --> 00:34:05.189
I'm not asking for a lot.

00:34:05.729 --> 00:34:06.009
Like,

00:34:06.068 --> 00:34:07.569
there's absolutely no way that we're

00:34:07.589 --> 00:34:09.989
going to pay for any kind

00:34:10.210 --> 00:34:12.210
of support contract if

00:34:12.289 --> 00:34:13.331
you're not prepared to go

00:34:13.351 --> 00:34:14.170
and reboot a box.

00:34:15.635 --> 00:34:16.135
right now.

00:34:16.215 --> 00:34:17.996
Like it doesn't feel like a huge amount,

00:34:18.237 --> 00:34:19.858
a huge ask, you know,

00:34:19.978 --> 00:34:22.039
depending on where this is and whatnot,

00:34:22.820 --> 00:34:25.862
but you know, man, you do you, do you,

00:34:25.922 --> 00:34:26.543
otherwise we'll,

00:34:26.583 --> 00:34:29.123
we'll just move it to OVH or wherever,

00:34:29.184 --> 00:34:29.445
man.

00:34:29.764 --> 00:34:30.065
Like,

00:34:30.677 --> 00:34:31.179
You're not going to,

00:34:31.418 --> 00:34:32.780
you guys are both more professional.

00:34:32.820 --> 00:34:34.981
I was, I of course canceled it instantly.

00:34:35.262 --> 00:34:36.242
Like I just, it was,

00:34:36.422 --> 00:34:37.583
it was September thirtieth.

00:34:37.643 --> 00:34:38.844
Our bill date was October first.

00:34:39.324 --> 00:34:39.485
Boom.

00:34:39.625 --> 00:34:40.126
Next email.

00:34:40.186 --> 00:34:40.385
Boom.

00:34:40.405 --> 00:34:40.766
Cancel.

00:34:41.226 --> 00:34:42.166
He only be back.

00:34:42.226 --> 00:34:44.528
Like, like it was, it was,

00:34:44.849 --> 00:34:45.630
I will cancel this.

00:34:45.869 --> 00:34:46.710
And I marked your account

00:34:46.731 --> 00:34:47.652
that you can never order

00:34:47.692 --> 00:34:48.532
anything here again.

00:34:48.932 --> 00:34:50.032
That was literally what he sent me.

00:34:50.974 --> 00:34:51.775
Like the ten,

00:34:51.974 --> 00:34:52.835
like five minutes later after

00:34:52.896 --> 00:34:53.835
I canceled the fucking thing.

00:34:54.336 --> 00:34:55.498
So I have two more machines there.

00:34:55.518 --> 00:34:56.639
One of those is a little bit critical.

00:34:56.759 --> 00:34:57.800
Like I do want to do

00:34:57.860 --> 00:34:58.539
something with it because

00:34:58.559 --> 00:34:59.661
it has some IPFS stuff on it.

00:35:00.349 --> 00:35:01.791
Um, so now I'm, now I'm shopping again.

00:35:01.811 --> 00:35:03.853
Cause I, you know, I,

00:35:04.034 --> 00:35:05.856
I like provider diversity

00:35:05.896 --> 00:35:06.577
and want to keep shit off

00:35:06.597 --> 00:35:07.376
heads in there and OVH.

00:35:07.418 --> 00:35:08.458
So, um,

00:35:08.478 --> 00:35:09.619
I'm looking again to see what else it,

00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:11.302
but, but literally fucking,

00:35:11.322 --> 00:35:12.822
I didn't even respond.

00:35:12.842 --> 00:35:14.085
I was like, dude, come on.

00:35:15.126 --> 00:35:16.086
You can charge me six years.

00:35:16.106 --> 00:35:17.887
I'm like, instead of charging me six euros,

00:35:18.168 --> 00:35:20.411
you can now lose a hundred

00:35:20.431 --> 00:35:22.092
and fifty euros a month forever.

00:35:23.987 --> 00:35:25.028
Did you learn anything out

00:35:25.068 --> 00:35:26.650
of this fucking process of you?

00:35:26.690 --> 00:35:27.891
To be fair,

00:35:28.050 --> 00:35:29.851
we had a similar issue with

00:35:29.891 --> 00:35:34.273
host key where we had two things,

00:35:34.494 --> 00:35:36.414
one of which was the awful

00:35:36.494 --> 00:35:37.596
two-factor authentication

00:35:37.635 --> 00:35:40.056
thing where they reset it.

00:35:41.177 --> 00:35:42.199
And I was like,

00:35:42.338 --> 00:35:43.498
this is completely

00:35:43.579 --> 00:35:44.420
unacceptable from a

00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:45.820
cybersecurity perspective.

00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:46.721
And they were like, okay.

00:35:46.740 --> 00:35:51.423
And I was like, sorry, uh,

00:35:52.572 --> 00:35:53.652
wasn't really looking for

00:35:53.672 --> 00:35:55.253
you to say okay I was

00:35:55.273 --> 00:35:56.293
looking for you to come up

00:35:56.454 --> 00:35:59.795
with like some sort of a

00:35:59.856 --> 00:36:01.677
strategy to or like some

00:36:01.717 --> 00:36:02.858
kind of indication that you

00:36:02.898 --> 00:36:05.980
take this seriously or

00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:09.242
we're done here like if

00:36:09.282 --> 00:36:10.463
your your two FA doesn't

00:36:10.503 --> 00:36:13.043
work we're done there's no

00:36:13.063 --> 00:36:15.365
we dumped them too yeah and um

00:36:16.152 --> 00:36:17.172
and so they were just kind

00:36:17.213 --> 00:36:18.313
of like oh you know blah

00:36:18.333 --> 00:36:20.835
blah blah and then we had

00:36:21.056 --> 00:36:21.916
that they were the ones

00:36:21.976 --> 00:36:26.000
where we lost a uh fuck was

00:36:26.019 --> 00:36:28.742
it seven seven nine fifty x

00:36:28.922 --> 00:36:31.164
we had like just completely

00:36:31.903 --> 00:36:33.025
freak out like as in the

00:36:33.244 --> 00:36:34.106
the cooling wasn't good

00:36:34.126 --> 00:36:36.086
enough and we literally

00:36:36.106 --> 00:36:37.367
just set it on fire during

00:36:37.407 --> 00:36:40.050
a stress net um and

00:36:41.128 --> 00:36:43.090
It was like a similar thing where just the,

00:36:43.469 --> 00:36:43.750
um,

00:36:43.789 --> 00:36:45.331
the hardware temperature sensor was

00:36:45.510 --> 00:36:46.190
either reading a

00:36:46.251 --> 00:36:47.590
temperature that was wrong

00:36:48.331 --> 00:36:51.873
or it was literally physically off.

00:36:52.773 --> 00:36:53.733
And I was just like, okay,

00:36:54.153 --> 00:36:55.434
either your data center is on fire,

00:36:55.614 --> 00:36:57.135
in which case, you know,

00:36:57.155 --> 00:36:58.155
you probably need to deal

00:36:58.175 --> 00:37:00.976
with that or this box needs repeating.

00:37:02.036 --> 00:37:02.217
Um,

00:37:02.297 --> 00:37:04.496
and I think we did file a ticket and

00:37:04.516 --> 00:37:05.438
they were kind of like,

00:37:05.697 --> 00:37:06.878
what are you doing with the server?

00:37:06.898 --> 00:37:08.818
And I'm like, well, that's not important.

00:37:10.016 --> 00:37:10.277
I don't know.

00:37:10.297 --> 00:37:11.077
I feel like there was something,

00:37:11.117 --> 00:37:12.219
I don't think they resolved it.

00:37:12.579 --> 00:37:12.898
I think,

00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:14.780
I think they did go and reboot it

00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:15.961
the day after or something,

00:37:16.001 --> 00:37:16.922
but it was kind of fucked

00:37:17.001 --> 00:37:18.664
and they didn't fix the two FA things.

00:37:18.684 --> 00:37:20.465
So we, we ended up canceling.

00:37:20.485 --> 00:37:23.047
That was the two FA thing was,

00:37:23.126 --> 00:37:25.509
was really the bigger thing though.

00:37:25.548 --> 00:37:26.650
It was a disaster is what it was.

00:37:26.670 --> 00:37:26.769
Yeah.

00:37:26.789 --> 00:37:26.869
Yeah.

00:37:26.889 --> 00:37:28.931
I don't know.

00:37:28.992 --> 00:37:29.572
I think some of these,

00:37:30.693 --> 00:37:31.353
I know the margins are

00:37:31.373 --> 00:37:33.054
somewhat thin in those businesses because,

00:37:34.295 --> 00:37:35.996
because what you see, I mean,

00:37:36.016 --> 00:37:37.097
they have to deal with like,

00:37:37.117 --> 00:37:38.018
you have to deal with both

00:37:38.179 --> 00:37:39.179
knowledgeable users who,

00:37:39.914 --> 00:37:40.574
think they know more than

00:37:40.614 --> 00:37:41.516
you and some that do more

00:37:41.536 --> 00:37:42.655
than know the more than

00:37:42.675 --> 00:37:44.577
like for a lot of our providers, I know,

00:37:45.456 --> 00:37:46.416
we know like what's going

00:37:46.456 --> 00:37:47.498
on more than they do just

00:37:47.518 --> 00:37:48.398
because we get alerts on a

00:37:48.458 --> 00:37:49.197
ton of shit that we monitor.

00:37:49.338 --> 00:37:49.478
Right.

00:37:49.557 --> 00:37:50.018
And, and,

00:37:50.659 --> 00:37:51.739
and they don't react to all those.

00:37:51.998 --> 00:37:52.498
Like if there's a,

00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:54.159
if a machine goes down or something else,

00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:55.641
or if there's a network outage,

00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:56.840
for the most part,

00:37:56.860 --> 00:37:58.842
we're telling them before they tell us,

00:37:58.922 --> 00:38:00.061
at least for the smaller providers,

00:38:00.101 --> 00:38:01.063
not so much the larger ones.

00:38:01.943 --> 00:38:02.063
Um,

00:38:02.847 --> 00:38:04.248
And I think the amount of

00:38:04.268 --> 00:38:05.148
support they have to deal

00:38:05.168 --> 00:38:05.849
with and those types of

00:38:05.869 --> 00:38:06.728
things and the margins are

00:38:06.768 --> 00:38:08.048
thin and whatever,

00:38:08.088 --> 00:38:10.969
but like stuff like that, like the idea,

00:38:11.489 --> 00:38:12.590
like I only want to do is

00:38:12.650 --> 00:38:13.429
fix his own shit.

00:38:13.590 --> 00:38:14.010
You know what I mean?

00:38:14.150 --> 00:38:14.349
Like,

00:38:14.791 --> 00:38:15.871
I'm just want you to reboot it and

00:38:15.891 --> 00:38:16.630
see what's going on with it

00:38:16.650 --> 00:38:17.490
and see what the hell's going on.

00:38:18.210 --> 00:38:20.311
But it was funny that like,

00:38:20.391 --> 00:38:21.572
I've never been booted off.

00:38:22.132 --> 00:38:22.351
I mean,

00:38:22.371 --> 00:38:23.311
at least he didn't shut the rest of

00:38:23.331 --> 00:38:23.632
my shit down.

00:38:23.652 --> 00:38:24.512
That would have been awful.

00:38:25.132 --> 00:38:25.833
Actually, that would have been,

00:38:25.853 --> 00:38:26.413
that would have been real.

00:38:26.452 --> 00:38:27.432
It wouldn't have been the end of the world,

00:38:27.452 --> 00:38:27.932
but it would have been a

00:38:27.952 --> 00:38:28.653
fucking pain in the ass.

00:38:28.673 --> 00:38:29.634
You know what I mean?

00:38:29.653 --> 00:38:30.693
Like to lose that.

00:38:31.525 --> 00:38:32.304
yeah it's always annoying

00:38:32.324 --> 00:38:33.126
when you have to migrate a

00:38:33.146 --> 00:38:33.965
bunch of shit that you

00:38:34.025 --> 00:38:34.806
didn't think you had to

00:38:34.846 --> 00:38:38.106
migrate but yeah nothing's

00:38:38.166 --> 00:38:39.427
irreplaceable but still

00:38:39.447 --> 00:38:40.708
it's a fucking hassle right

00:38:41.108 --> 00:38:42.688
um that's something you

00:38:42.708 --> 00:38:43.449
don't you just want to deal

00:38:43.469 --> 00:38:44.548
with that but it was funny

00:38:44.708 --> 00:38:47.389
like you can never order

00:38:47.409 --> 00:38:48.250
here again I was like I

00:38:48.269 --> 00:38:48.949
wasn't thinking about it

00:38:49.010 --> 00:38:50.231
anyway I mean that probably

00:38:50.311 --> 00:38:51.471
wasn't going to but you

00:38:51.490 --> 00:38:54.052
know wasn't cool but cool

00:38:54.532 --> 00:38:55.811
thank you for letting me

00:38:55.851 --> 00:38:57.172
know don't turn the rest of

00:38:57.193 --> 00:38:58.213
my shit off quite yet

00:38:59.713 --> 00:38:59.914
Yeah.

00:38:59.934 --> 00:39:01.295
I've got other shit to do first.

00:39:01.916 --> 00:39:02.797
Yeah.

00:39:02.817 --> 00:39:05.878
Um, so that was fun to sound fun.

00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:07.300
Uh,

00:39:07.340 --> 00:39:10.362
we're going to touch any of this stuff.

00:39:10.463 --> 00:39:12.164
Like it's all been pretty mad, huh?

00:39:14.505 --> 00:39:15.445
Yeah, we talked about it.

00:39:15.865 --> 00:39:17.608
It's been a couple weeks, right?

00:39:17.628 --> 00:39:19.550
It's been rolling for a little while.

00:39:19.670 --> 00:39:21.693
I don't know if it's you, Schultz,

00:39:22.052 --> 00:39:22.753
or Erteman,

00:39:22.793 --> 00:39:25.175
but I saw a Lavender post

00:39:25.215 --> 00:39:27.818
about this the other day and was like, yo,

00:39:27.858 --> 00:39:29.400
my boys are getting involved.

00:39:29.641 --> 00:39:29.721
Yeah.

00:39:31.429 --> 00:39:31.730
Oh, yeah.

00:39:31.849 --> 00:39:32.010
Oh, yeah.

00:39:32.030 --> 00:39:34.331
Heiss was like a Beyblade covered in shit,

00:39:34.711 --> 00:39:35.512
flinging it everywhere.

00:39:35.731 --> 00:39:36.793
It was glorious.

00:39:37.353 --> 00:39:38.333
He went on forums.

00:39:38.373 --> 00:39:39.054
He was on Twitter.

00:39:39.393 --> 00:39:39.914
He went on, like,

00:39:40.574 --> 00:39:42.096
Twitter spaces to talk shit.

00:39:42.195 --> 00:39:43.036
Oh, it was glorious.

00:39:43.157 --> 00:39:46.398
I'm so proud of him.

00:39:46.418 --> 00:39:48.539
I just saw what presumably was then, like,

00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:49.641
the tip of the iceberg,

00:39:51.262 --> 00:39:52.262
which was him just, like...

00:39:53.742 --> 00:39:57.344
It was like calling out Yusef on Twitter.

00:39:57.625 --> 00:40:00.445
And then like, like it was,

00:40:00.585 --> 00:40:01.766
I think it literally had a

00:40:01.806 --> 00:40:02.686
list of demands.

00:40:02.827 --> 00:40:04.166
It was like a ransom note.

00:40:04.246 --> 00:40:06.168
It was like, we demand this and this.

00:40:06.188 --> 00:40:11.329
And I was like, it's like, okay.

00:40:11.929 --> 00:40:12.231
Okay.

00:40:12.251 --> 00:40:13.170
You can have whatever you want.

00:40:13.210 --> 00:40:14.510
When the Dutch get angry, man,

00:40:14.550 --> 00:40:17.333
you've just got to be like, okay.

00:40:17.353 --> 00:40:17.512
Boy,

00:40:17.532 --> 00:40:19.813
there's a Patricia who's a CFO just

00:40:19.873 --> 00:40:20.134
announced.

00:40:20.153 --> 00:40:20.594
She's leaving.

00:40:21.556 --> 00:40:22.197
I guess controller.

00:40:22.597 --> 00:40:24.438
Whatever I roll it.

00:40:25.498 --> 00:40:27.019
Is that while we're on air?

00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:28.460
No, no.

00:40:28.641 --> 00:40:29.641
It was a straight post from

00:40:29.681 --> 00:40:31.061
twenty twenty two hours ago.

00:40:31.081 --> 00:40:34.804
I missed them.

00:40:34.844 --> 00:40:35.344
Patricia.

00:40:36.023 --> 00:40:37.125
Yeah, I don't know what that is,

00:40:37.585 --> 00:40:39.606
but what are we talking about?

00:40:39.706 --> 00:40:41.947
Not the the the.

00:40:42.067 --> 00:40:42.606
Oh, yeah.

00:40:42.706 --> 00:40:42.987
Yeah.

00:40:44.188 --> 00:40:47.889
And I don't.

00:40:49.130 --> 00:40:51.150
it seems a bit yeah so what

00:40:51.291 --> 00:40:53.271
can somebody like the ah in

00:40:53.431 --> 00:40:55.494
aa is the sound of the

00:40:55.554 --> 00:40:57.114
plane hitting the mountain

00:40:59.456 --> 00:41:00.335
can somebody give me that

00:41:00.356 --> 00:41:01.777
what's the short of this

00:41:02.097 --> 00:41:04.739
other than I mean the tldr

00:41:04.759 --> 00:41:06.659
is really just it's a big

00:41:06.699 --> 00:41:07.360
circle jerk where

00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:08.581
everyone's getting paid too

00:41:08.621 --> 00:41:09.621
much and then they're like

00:41:09.661 --> 00:41:10.802
self-congratulating because

00:41:10.822 --> 00:41:11.722
they're getting paid too

00:41:11.762 --> 00:41:14.523
much that's that's really the tldr

00:41:16.284 --> 00:41:16.583
Yeah,

00:41:16.824 --> 00:41:19.485
it just seems like they're all upset

00:41:19.505 --> 00:41:20.465
about not being able to

00:41:20.485 --> 00:41:26.547
pillage that fucking DAO enough.

00:41:26.568 --> 00:41:28.108
That's one group's viewpoint, right?

00:41:28.128 --> 00:41:28.708
Is that what you're saying?

00:41:28.748 --> 00:41:29.869
That's the takeaway I get

00:41:29.889 --> 00:41:31.068
from this whole shit is like,

00:41:32.449 --> 00:41:33.690
we're unable to pillage as

00:41:33.750 --> 00:41:34.650
much money as we want.

00:41:34.731 --> 00:41:37.572
We're upset now.

00:41:37.612 --> 00:41:37.811
Well,

00:41:37.911 --> 00:41:41.612
Yusuf gets paid like USTD-USD a month

00:41:41.893 --> 00:41:43.393
or something.

00:41:43.434 --> 00:41:44.153
And he's fucking...

00:41:45.269 --> 00:41:46.730
Hope he gets food stamps as well.

00:41:46.750 --> 00:41:53.711
Yeah, right.

00:41:53.731 --> 00:41:54.311
I mean, not bad.

00:41:54.532 --> 00:41:58.552
Got a respected player of the game.

00:41:58.612 --> 00:41:59.373
That's fucking great.

00:41:59.393 --> 00:42:01.373
I had no idea they had that

00:42:01.454 --> 00:42:03.153
much money to spend those

00:42:03.213 --> 00:42:05.054
fucking bananas.

00:42:05.134 --> 00:42:07.054
And what's the price of Atten these days?

00:42:07.114 --> 00:42:08.195
I'm guessing about three dollars,

00:42:08.215 --> 00:42:08.534
something.

00:42:09.175 --> 00:42:09.255
No,

00:42:09.275 --> 00:42:10.675
it's quite a few items you'd have to

00:42:10.715 --> 00:42:11.235
dump.

00:42:11.396 --> 00:42:11.815
Yeah.

00:42:11.856 --> 00:42:12.635
Four forty three.

00:42:13.557 --> 00:42:14.659
Oh, we're on the way back up.

00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:15.679
We must have hit bottom.

00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:17.360
Well, I mean,

00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:19.481
we were on the way back up

00:42:19.541 --> 00:42:20.003
over the weekend.

00:42:20.023 --> 00:42:21.844
We were,

00:42:22.023 --> 00:42:25.025
and now we're back on the roller

00:42:25.065 --> 00:42:27.047
coaster heading back.

00:42:27.527 --> 00:42:27.606
Oh,

00:42:27.666 --> 00:42:31.849
it's like whenever there's unlocks

00:42:31.929 --> 00:42:32.791
coming up, right,

00:42:32.891 --> 00:42:34.192
is when the roller coaster

00:42:34.211 --> 00:42:37.713
decides to smash into the mountain,

00:42:37.753 --> 00:42:38.855
in my experience.

00:42:38.914 --> 00:42:39.195
Yeah.

00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:41.501
You can thank me for that pump, by the way,

00:42:41.561 --> 00:42:42.563
dumping my bags at ATL.

00:42:42.663 --> 00:42:44.304
I told you, sir.

00:42:44.644 --> 00:42:46.485
Dude, you are the best, man.

00:42:47.447 --> 00:42:47.646
I mean,

00:42:47.746 --> 00:42:48.889
we have to work on a communication

00:42:48.929 --> 00:42:49.668
because you're supposed to

00:42:49.688 --> 00:42:50.849
tell me exactly twenty four

00:42:50.889 --> 00:42:51.751
hours after you do that

00:42:51.811 --> 00:42:53.251
because I told you days

00:42:53.293 --> 00:42:56.735
before I said I've dumped my bags.

00:42:56.876 --> 00:42:58.396
Watch the pump to fifty cents.

00:42:59.478 --> 00:42:59.898
Sure enough,

00:42:59.918 --> 00:43:01.059
fifty one and a half and say

00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:02.181
fifty one and a half cents.

00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.262
It's down to forty one.

00:43:04.302 --> 00:43:05.684
Literally within days.

00:43:05.804 --> 00:43:05.903
Yeah.

00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:09.061
months and months of holding

00:43:09.460 --> 00:43:10.702
I was on actually I had no

00:43:10.742 --> 00:43:11.583
excuse it was I've been at

00:43:11.623 --> 00:43:13.684
home too what the fuck I

00:43:13.704 --> 00:43:14.425
just didn't feel like doing

00:43:14.465 --> 00:43:15.367
it I was like I would be

00:43:15.427 --> 00:43:17.608
fine yeah I was exactly

00:43:17.628 --> 00:43:18.750
miscused I was like I'll do

00:43:18.769 --> 00:43:19.891
it when the week starts

00:43:20.291 --> 00:43:21.233
I'll hold that for like oh

00:43:21.253 --> 00:43:23.835
god I gotta find my key and

00:43:23.875 --> 00:43:24.936
all that shit fuck all that

00:43:24.996 --> 00:43:28.860
I'm holding that for a dollar yeah I mean

00:43:30.652 --> 00:43:32.536
that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,

00:43:32.556 --> 00:43:34.539
that's, that's, that's, that's,

00:43:37.347 --> 00:43:38.646
it's it's all of the uh it's

00:43:38.688 --> 00:43:39.768
all the original bull

00:43:39.788 --> 00:43:41.228
market vibes isn't it it's

00:43:41.248 --> 00:43:43.309
the it's the lead I mean in

00:43:43.329 --> 00:43:44.369
this corner it's ledgers in

00:43:44.389 --> 00:43:45.510
a bank vault over there

00:43:45.530 --> 00:43:46.570
it's like holding out for a

00:43:46.610 --> 00:43:47.871
dollar it's all not for a

00:43:47.891 --> 00:43:49.391
dollar all the stuff you

00:43:49.530 --> 00:43:50.391
you tell yourself in a

00:43:50.452 --> 00:43:51.331
complete man do you

00:43:51.351 --> 00:43:52.072
remember when we were

00:43:52.092 --> 00:43:53.233
holding out for a dollar on

00:43:53.293 --> 00:43:54.532
stargaze and that's that is

00:43:54.552 --> 00:43:56.153
an og reference right there

00:43:56.273 --> 00:43:57.454
dude I remember I remember

00:43:57.474 --> 00:43:58.574
when I wouldn't sell aptos at like

00:44:02.742 --> 00:44:05.021
that's uh fifteen dollars

00:44:05.041 --> 00:44:06.523
that would be nice or juno

00:44:06.682 --> 00:44:09.103
at juno at twenty I think I

00:44:09.322 --> 00:44:10.242
had fifteen I was like fuck

00:44:10.262 --> 00:44:11.143
this fifteen that's

00:44:11.182 --> 00:44:16.083
ridiculous yeah I had some

00:44:16.123 --> 00:44:18.065
juno in a personal wallet I

00:44:18.105 --> 00:44:19.264
think about five hundred or

00:44:19.284 --> 00:44:21.545
a thousand of them and was

00:44:21.605 --> 00:44:22.724
like I'm not gonna sell

00:44:22.744 --> 00:44:24.186
this at twenty pounds

00:44:24.226 --> 00:44:25.005
whatever that is twenty

00:44:25.025 --> 00:44:26.385
five dollars something like

00:44:26.425 --> 00:44:28.445
that twenty grand baby it

00:44:28.485 --> 00:44:30.106
was like yeah right exactly

00:44:30.126 --> 00:44:31.367
and you're just like that's like

00:44:34.148 --> 00:44:38.690
Okay, so granted, my horizons are small.

00:44:38.791 --> 00:44:40.211
My imagination is small.

00:44:40.512 --> 00:44:41.753
I am a pleb, right?

00:44:41.873 --> 00:44:42.574
I get that.

00:44:43.313 --> 00:44:48.858
But I'm just like, oh yeah,

00:44:48.878 --> 00:44:49.538
that's quite a lot of... Do

00:44:49.557 --> 00:44:50.838
you know what's fucking sad about me,

00:44:50.878 --> 00:44:51.139
right?

00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:53.481
I don't even know what I

00:44:53.501 --> 00:44:54.862
would do with that twenty grand.

00:44:55.101 --> 00:44:56.742
I'm gutted that I didn't sell it.

00:44:57.302 --> 00:44:58.684
It was fucking stupid of me.

00:44:59.465 --> 00:45:02.786
But I just thought, yeah, I could have...

00:45:04.983 --> 00:45:05.704
And then I was like,

00:45:07.065 --> 00:45:08.206
I've got a Mesa boogie.

00:45:08.246 --> 00:45:08.806
It's there.

00:45:09.226 --> 00:45:10.688
I bought that when I was twenty.

00:45:12.469 --> 00:45:13.170
When did I buy that?

00:45:13.610 --> 00:45:14.971
Jake's in the chat.

00:45:15.030 --> 00:45:16.331
When did I visit you, Jake,

00:45:16.371 --> 00:45:17.333
and buy that amp?

00:45:19.394 --> 00:45:20.394
We went to some weird

00:45:20.414 --> 00:45:21.815
basement in San Francisco

00:45:21.856 --> 00:45:22.996
and bought it on Craigslist

00:45:23.016 --> 00:45:24.659
for three hundred and eighty dollars.

00:45:25.619 --> 00:45:26.039
Yeah.

00:45:26.690 --> 00:45:27.371
Based on Juno?

00:45:27.751 --> 00:45:32.418
No, this was like ten years ago.

00:45:33.240 --> 00:45:35.123
I've got a Craigslist story for you.

00:45:35.244 --> 00:45:37.286
I love a Craigslist story.

00:45:38.498 --> 00:45:39.280
I used to go to state sale

00:45:39.340 --> 00:45:40.820
auctions with the whole like, blah, blah,

00:45:40.940 --> 00:45:42.282
blah, that guy, everything, right?

00:45:42.942 --> 00:45:46.804
So I find this big box of

00:45:46.844 --> 00:45:47.585
stereo equipment.

00:45:48.246 --> 00:45:48.985
And there's really just a

00:45:49.025 --> 00:45:49.827
sub there that I wanted.

00:45:49.867 --> 00:45:51.007
Everything else, fine, whatever.

00:45:51.887 --> 00:45:53.068
But I would sell everything

00:45:53.088 --> 00:45:53.688
that I didn't want out

00:45:53.809 --> 00:45:54.690
because it was just a big lot.

00:45:55.170 --> 00:45:55.510
Well,

00:45:55.530 --> 00:45:56.831
so one of the things they had in

00:45:56.871 --> 00:45:57.532
there that I learned

00:45:57.632 --> 00:45:59.932
afterward was a CD player

00:45:59.972 --> 00:46:02.554
that's like this big, quite large,

00:46:02.914 --> 00:46:04.096
one solid hunk of aluminum.

00:46:04.777 --> 00:46:06.378
And it uses tubes.

00:46:06.777 --> 00:46:07.938
So that's not a CD player.

00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:10.300
yeah one single cd one

00:46:10.340 --> 00:46:11.422
single cd put one single cd

00:46:11.442 --> 00:46:13.543
in there yeah oh yeah it

00:46:13.563 --> 00:46:14.284
was like twenty seven

00:46:14.324 --> 00:46:15.244
thousand dollars for this

00:46:15.324 --> 00:46:18.248
cd player fucking hell yeah

00:46:18.969 --> 00:46:20.030
and so you could go online

00:46:20.050 --> 00:46:21.130
and read reviews about it

00:46:21.630 --> 00:46:22.552
and those were even better

00:46:22.652 --> 00:46:23.713
because people talked about

00:46:23.753 --> 00:46:25.233
how you can finally find

00:46:25.454 --> 00:46:26.014
now it's twenty seven

00:46:26.054 --> 00:46:26.936
thousand dollars in like

00:46:27.056 --> 00:46:28.317
ninety five and I bought it

00:46:28.336 --> 00:46:30.119
in like twenty twenty right

00:46:30.278 --> 00:46:33.141
so yeah take that eight dollars

00:46:34.215 --> 00:46:34.474
Yes.

00:46:34.835 --> 00:46:37.336
Well, so reviews online were like,

00:46:37.737 --> 00:46:38.817
it's so great that there's

00:46:38.876 --> 00:46:41.219
like reasonably priced tube

00:46:41.918 --> 00:46:44.019
amp things available for

00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:44.880
the plebs and it's twenty

00:46:44.900 --> 00:46:45.860
seven thousand dollars new

00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:47.041
all over the place.

00:46:47.641 --> 00:46:47.762
Well,

00:46:47.782 --> 00:46:50.262
so then I sold it to I sold on

00:46:50.282 --> 00:46:52.043
Craigslist to like.

00:46:53.663 --> 00:46:56.583
this grandma who her son or

00:46:56.623 --> 00:46:58.644
like her grandson was

00:46:58.664 --> 00:46:59.445
starting to get into like

00:46:59.485 --> 00:47:00.686
violin music or something.

00:47:01.407 --> 00:47:02.646
And she was like, you know,

00:47:03.427 --> 00:47:04.668
all I know is that CD

00:47:04.688 --> 00:47:05.447
players are good and you

00:47:05.467 --> 00:47:06.469
have this one posted for

00:47:06.489 --> 00:47:07.389
like fifteen hundred dollars.

00:47:07.409 --> 00:47:08.309
So it's got to be the best

00:47:08.389 --> 00:47:13.751
one on Craigslist.

00:47:13.851 --> 00:47:14.512
I was like, true.

00:47:14.572 --> 00:47:15.753
Yeah, I guess that's true.

00:47:15.773 --> 00:47:16.833
I guess that's correct.

00:47:18.954 --> 00:47:19.635
You got it, grandma.

00:47:21.987 --> 00:47:23.748
that's just it like a cash

00:47:23.768 --> 00:47:27.911
only okay okay so so so so

00:47:27.931 --> 00:47:28.931
so obviously I'm a pleb

00:47:29.052 --> 00:47:30.112
right right sure so you're

00:47:30.132 --> 00:47:31.893
not a pleb like you let's

00:47:31.914 --> 00:47:33.094
say you're in me in that

00:47:33.114 --> 00:47:34.476
situation and you you did

00:47:34.635 --> 00:47:36.137
you did what what any sane

00:47:36.177 --> 00:47:37.478
person would have done

00:47:38.518 --> 00:47:39.298
except that we're obviously

00:47:39.338 --> 00:47:40.760
all inside insane people

00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:42.340
right and you sold the

00:47:42.380 --> 00:47:43.581
thousand you know making

00:47:43.621 --> 00:47:44.362
twenty four thousand

00:47:44.402 --> 00:47:46.864
dollars whatever it was like this is

00:47:48.112 --> 00:47:49.012
Let's imagine you don't have

00:47:49.032 --> 00:47:49.773
to pay tax on it because

00:47:49.793 --> 00:47:51.315
that makes maths go funny here.

00:47:51.376 --> 00:47:52.617
But let's imagine you've just made it.

00:47:52.657 --> 00:47:53.518
You've made twenty four

00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:55.981
thousand dollars profit in

00:47:56.240 --> 00:47:57.161
Schultz's pocket.

00:47:57.601 --> 00:47:59.204
And you're thinking it's

00:47:59.244 --> 00:48:00.525
time to blow this cash.

00:48:01.226 --> 00:48:02.568
Like what is a normal person?

00:48:02.588 --> 00:48:03.108
What is a normal,

00:48:03.128 --> 00:48:04.989
wholesome individual spend

00:48:05.010 --> 00:48:06.032
twenty four thousand dollars on?

00:48:09.405 --> 00:48:09.865
I mean,

00:48:10.226 --> 00:48:11.286
you're really asking the wrong

00:48:11.327 --> 00:48:12.407
person because the thing I

00:48:12.427 --> 00:48:13.106
would do is probably

00:48:13.126 --> 00:48:14.547
immediately put in an index fund.

00:48:15.108 --> 00:48:16.688
So you're really asking the wrong person.

00:48:16.807 --> 00:48:20.228
I'm like, I've got all the apps I need.

00:48:20.309 --> 00:48:21.570
I probably put it in my savings.

00:48:21.610 --> 00:48:22.469
I'm exactly the same.

00:48:22.489 --> 00:48:23.130
I was like, Schultz,

00:48:23.170 --> 00:48:24.751
you will have an exciting idea.

00:48:25.791 --> 00:48:26.931
Are we going around the room?

00:48:27.911 --> 00:48:28.331
Yeah, no.

00:48:28.652 --> 00:48:30.612
No, it's just like I buy a fucking truck.

00:48:32.913 --> 00:48:34.233
I put a ute on my ute.

00:48:35.659 --> 00:48:41.025
I would buy a box of NVMEs.

00:48:41.105 --> 00:48:41.864
That's reasonable.

00:48:41.965 --> 00:48:43.085
Yeah, okay.

00:48:43.347 --> 00:48:46.088
I just said something cool.

00:48:48.471 --> 00:48:51.253
Man, you don't know cool and lessons.

00:48:51.673 --> 00:48:53.635
You do not know cool and

00:48:53.675 --> 00:48:55.876
excitement until you have a box.

00:48:56.697 --> 00:48:59.039
of nvmes show up at the

00:48:59.059 --> 00:49:01.239
front door dude but yeah

00:49:01.260 --> 00:49:02.141
that would be a business

00:49:02.181 --> 00:49:02.940
expense right those are

00:49:03.021 --> 00:49:03.822
mvmes you want to use for

00:49:03.842 --> 00:49:05.141
your business you don't you

00:49:05.161 --> 00:49:06.163
don't as a private

00:49:06.242 --> 00:49:08.023
individual need a box these

00:49:08.143 --> 00:49:09.603
things are so beautiful you

00:49:09.623 --> 00:49:10.605
could put them on your

00:49:10.625 --> 00:49:12.286
mantelpiece I have one

00:49:12.326 --> 00:49:14.166
question when you open that

00:49:14.186 --> 00:49:17.648
box and you rip open that

00:49:18.128 --> 00:49:20.789
magnetic bag do you smell

00:49:20.809 --> 00:49:22.951
them the bags are already open

00:49:26.072 --> 00:49:27.092
Do I smell them?

00:49:27.532 --> 00:49:27.873
I don't.

00:49:28.072 --> 00:49:29.193
Smell that new electronics.

00:49:29.474 --> 00:49:31.215
I do spinners, though.

00:49:31.275 --> 00:49:33.978
I love the smell of a good XS,

00:49:33.998 --> 00:49:35.197
a tiny terabyte spinner.

00:49:35.358 --> 00:49:37.619
They've got a smell about them.

00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:39.621
They do.

00:49:40.681 --> 00:49:40.942
I mean,

00:49:41.103 --> 00:49:43.224
NVMEs don't have a smell unless you

00:49:43.264 --> 00:49:44.184
do bad things to them,

00:49:44.244 --> 00:49:45.445
and then they've got the magic smoke.

00:49:47.007 --> 00:49:47.447
They smell.

00:49:47.646 --> 00:49:52.791
It's all electronic smell.

00:49:52.891 --> 00:49:52.990
No?

00:49:54.025 --> 00:49:54.885
No.

00:49:54.965 --> 00:49:56.905
I mean, I took a big whiff.

00:49:56.925 --> 00:50:01.005
I got to check it.

00:50:01.025 --> 00:50:04.086
I got to check it.

00:50:04.106 --> 00:50:04.467
Oh, NVMEs.

00:50:04.487 --> 00:50:05.226
Is that what you're buying?

00:50:05.306 --> 00:50:05.947
Oh, look at that.

00:50:06.268 --> 00:50:07.128
Jeez, look at that.

00:50:08.887 --> 00:50:10.827
Oh, that's sad, isn't it?

00:50:11.329 --> 00:50:12.009
So for those of you

00:50:12.028 --> 00:50:13.309
listening on podcast

00:50:13.349 --> 00:50:14.128
players or listening back

00:50:14.168 --> 00:50:16.210
later or not checking this

00:50:16.230 --> 00:50:17.190
stream out on YouTube,

00:50:18.010 --> 00:50:19.630
Null has just got out an

00:50:19.769 --> 00:50:22.951
actual box in order to

00:50:24.536 --> 00:50:25.878
This is like show and tell at school,

00:50:25.958 --> 00:50:26.318
isn't it?

00:50:26.338 --> 00:50:28.500
We're all like in the remedial class,

00:50:28.619 --> 00:50:29.780
aren't we?

00:50:29.820 --> 00:50:31.041
This box is no longer full.

00:50:31.061 --> 00:50:35.625
Look how it looks.

00:50:37.208 --> 00:50:38.650
is there anything more on

00:50:38.690 --> 00:50:40.090
brand for this show than a

00:50:40.130 --> 00:50:42.429
half full box of drives

00:50:42.469 --> 00:50:43.990
that was once full I'm

00:50:44.010 --> 00:50:46.010
guessing those are also I'm

00:50:46.050 --> 00:50:47.110
guessing that like that

00:50:47.231 --> 00:50:48.492
advert you always see by

00:50:48.512 --> 00:50:49.791
the motorway where it says

00:50:49.811 --> 00:50:51.572
like nearly new tires I'm

00:50:51.612 --> 00:50:52.393
guessing there's also

00:50:52.592 --> 00:50:54.012
nearly new hard drives

00:50:54.072 --> 00:50:56.673
right these are brand new

00:50:56.994 --> 00:50:57.994
from china this week

00:50:59.365 --> 00:51:00.347
brand new what the fuck are

00:51:00.387 --> 00:51:01.427
you doing with twenty hard

00:51:01.447 --> 00:51:03.208
drives now so much archive

00:51:03.829 --> 00:51:06.230
twenty just seven point six

00:51:06.931 --> 00:51:08.552
sorry this was only half a

00:51:08.572 --> 00:51:10.492
box so I had ten seven

00:51:10.512 --> 00:51:12.393
point six eight terabyte

00:51:12.414 --> 00:51:14.856
ten five mbms uh first of

00:51:14.876 --> 00:51:15.956
all I mortgaged my house

00:51:16.516 --> 00:51:17.476
second of all I stuffed

00:51:17.496 --> 00:51:19.378
them into a server as I say

00:51:19.478 --> 00:51:20.679
at what point does running

00:51:20.820 --> 00:51:23.021
archive nodes uh move from

00:51:23.061 --> 00:51:24.061
being a business model and

00:51:24.121 --> 00:51:25.762
into a kink because I think we're there

00:51:26.697 --> 00:51:27.938
this is not for archives

00:51:27.958 --> 00:51:29.518
this is for a proxmox

00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.099
cluster with cef storage so

00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:35.460
it's a experiment in uh

00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:41.501
distributed storage who's

00:51:41.561 --> 00:51:44.460
paying for that when you're

00:51:44.501 --> 00:51:48.322
paying for that but who's

00:51:48.382 --> 00:51:51.442
paying you for it well we

00:51:51.501 --> 00:51:52.762
rent quite a lot of so

00:51:55.373 --> 00:51:56.813
The idea is that I no longer

00:51:56.873 --> 00:51:58.474
rent that shit and I run it

00:51:58.514 --> 00:52:01.615
on my cluster.

00:52:01.956 --> 00:52:04.217
Fair.

00:52:04.237 --> 00:52:09.659
But also, you know,

00:52:09.739 --> 00:52:10.739
it's pretty and I like it.

00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.742
So we've got part kind of

00:52:15.842 --> 00:52:17.382
David Heinemeyer Hansen

00:52:17.442 --> 00:52:19.902
level of I must own my own

00:52:19.922 --> 00:52:21.543
shit because it's a radical

00:52:21.583 --> 00:52:23.505
business strategy and also part of

00:52:24.405 --> 00:52:27.347
I like shiny metal hardware toys.

00:52:29.789 --> 00:52:33.110
Also like certain projects

00:52:33.150 --> 00:52:34.211
are coming up where you

00:52:34.271 --> 00:52:37.574
need to have like plain

00:52:37.614 --> 00:52:39.635
text keys and stuff that

00:52:39.675 --> 00:52:42.936
don't have remote signers.

00:52:43.117 --> 00:52:43.436
It's just,

00:52:43.536 --> 00:52:44.777
it seems more secure to have

00:52:44.818 --> 00:52:46.759
your own stuff in your own area.

00:52:46.778 --> 00:52:50.021
So anyway.

00:52:50.061 --> 00:52:51.481
That Australia strategy works though.

00:52:51.621 --> 00:52:52.081
I got to tell you.

00:52:53.668 --> 00:52:54.769
Australian Infra Baby.

00:52:54.989 --> 00:52:55.469
It works.

00:52:55.809 --> 00:52:56.210
It works.

00:52:57.490 --> 00:52:58.612
Teams are like, where?

00:52:58.632 --> 00:53:01.094
Yeah.

00:53:01.114 --> 00:53:02.554
I think I've heard of that country.

00:53:04.536 --> 00:53:05.956
Yeah?

00:53:05.976 --> 00:53:07.478
Isn't that an island in the Pacific?

00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:09.898
There's blocks down there?

00:53:09.958 --> 00:53:10.519
You can make blocks?

00:53:10.539 --> 00:53:12.440
You can make blocks in Australia?

00:53:12.481 --> 00:53:15.202
The blocks are upside down, though.

00:53:16.143 --> 00:53:17.983
They don't append to the end of the chain.

00:53:18.003 --> 00:53:19.925
They append to the start of the chain.

00:53:20.005 --> 00:53:20.525
It's like,

00:53:22.271 --> 00:53:23.614
That whole Proxmox two of

00:53:23.655 --> 00:53:25.057
three and Seth thing, that's like.

00:53:26.221 --> 00:53:28.344
Seventy five percent want to

00:53:28.405 --> 00:53:29.407
twenty five percent need to.

00:53:31.527 --> 00:53:34.010
Yeah, I think it's, well, actually,

00:53:34.070 --> 00:53:34.550
it's more of that.

00:53:34.570 --> 00:53:37.351
Yeah, it's probably ninety ten.

00:53:37.592 --> 00:53:37.791
Right.

00:53:37.992 --> 00:53:39.472
Like you could run three separate boxes.

00:53:39.492 --> 00:53:39.952
It'd be fine.

00:53:39.972 --> 00:53:41.353
But that idea of having distributed.

00:53:41.833 --> 00:53:42.795
I mean, we run vCenter.

00:53:42.835 --> 00:53:44.576
So the ability to move VMs

00:53:44.956 --> 00:53:46.757
across hardware real time

00:53:46.777 --> 00:53:47.757
without shutting them down.

00:53:47.938 --> 00:53:50.219
Like, yeah, we move we move like, well,

00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:51.559
we don't really we don't really run it.

00:53:51.699 --> 00:53:52.641
We do run signers there,

00:53:52.681 --> 00:53:53.681
but not too much else.

00:53:53.701 --> 00:53:54.601
But to be able to move those

00:53:54.641 --> 00:53:55.601
across hardware without

00:53:55.702 --> 00:53:56.443
like thinking about it,

00:53:56.483 --> 00:53:58.224
that's really nice at ten gigabit.

00:53:59.398 --> 00:54:01.820
So this will be a four-node

00:54:02.322 --> 00:54:04.063
Proxmox cluster of some

00:54:04.123 --> 00:54:06.704
pretty beefy boxy boys.

00:54:07.125 --> 00:54:08.085
Doesn't it have to be odd

00:54:08.106 --> 00:54:08.786
because you have to have a

00:54:09.327 --> 00:54:10.807
two of three or a three of five?

00:54:10.827 --> 00:54:13.250
No, I don't think so.

00:54:13.730 --> 00:54:15.751
You can set up storage that

00:54:15.771 --> 00:54:19.054
can use as kind of like a... Well,

00:54:19.213 --> 00:54:20.034
in terms of the cluster,

00:54:20.695 --> 00:54:21.775
to have a HA cluster,

00:54:21.795 --> 00:54:22.856
you have to have three plus.

00:54:24.157 --> 00:54:24.759
But how do you have four?

00:54:24.778 --> 00:54:26.260
Because if they split two, two,

00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:27.661
how do they know what the master is?

00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:29.898
You have to have three.

00:54:29.918 --> 00:54:34.300
All right.

00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:35.599
Okay.

00:54:35.619 --> 00:54:36.240
Yeah.

00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:37.340
I think because you have.

00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:38.240
I swear it was three.

00:54:38.420 --> 00:54:39.280
I thought it was two or

00:54:39.300 --> 00:54:39.860
three or three or five.

00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:40.360
I didn't think you could

00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:41.501
have like an even number in there.

00:54:41.521 --> 00:54:43.842
Kind of similar to a wrap structure.

00:54:43.862 --> 00:54:45.543
So you actually need to have

00:54:45.563 --> 00:54:47.623
a properly redundant HA cluster.

00:54:47.643 --> 00:54:48.802
You actually need four.

00:54:49.282 --> 00:54:54.103
So when one drops, you still have three.

00:54:54.123 --> 00:54:56.784
For the tiebreaker.

00:54:56.864 --> 00:54:56.925
No.

00:54:57.733 --> 00:54:59.135
Um, but anyway, I'll, I'll,

00:54:59.414 --> 00:54:59.994
I'll give you more

00:55:00.014 --> 00:55:01.277
information about it after

00:55:01.456 --> 00:55:02.458
I received these fucking

00:55:02.498 --> 00:55:04.318
servers and put them into commission.

00:55:04.780 --> 00:55:05.800
I hope my doubt makes you

00:55:05.820 --> 00:55:06.601
buy another server.

00:55:06.621 --> 00:55:09.202
You're like, fuck,

00:55:09.242 --> 00:55:10.565
I gotta buy another fucking server.

00:55:10.585 --> 00:55:12.186
I need five now.

00:55:12.206 --> 00:55:16.108
Look, let's, let's be real.

00:55:16.349 --> 00:55:16.989
That's all I want to do.

00:55:17.389 --> 00:55:18.371
I'm going to buy more.

00:55:18.391 --> 00:55:19.913
That's all I want to do is

00:55:19.932 --> 00:55:20.552
make you spend money.

00:55:20.572 --> 00:55:21.114
That's really it.

00:55:21.853 --> 00:55:22.574
Actually, did I,

00:55:22.775 --> 00:55:24.597
did I tell you about the story about, um,

00:55:26.289 --> 00:55:29.184
So the vendor who I buy my drives from,

00:55:30.028 --> 00:55:32.769
um my guy my guy my drive

00:55:32.829 --> 00:55:34.891
guy my drive guy they just

00:55:34.911 --> 00:55:36.331
stand on the corner being

00:55:36.371 --> 00:55:38.172
like we got that wmd we got

00:55:38.193 --> 00:55:39.653
that wmd and you're like

00:55:40.014 --> 00:55:41.153
you're like yeah okay give

00:55:41.173 --> 00:55:41.855
me the good shit they're

00:55:41.994 --> 00:55:43.235
like they just get in the

00:55:43.394 --> 00:55:45.115
get in the bag of of mvmes

00:55:45.195 --> 00:55:46.617
and hand them out well

00:55:46.677 --> 00:55:47.717
terabytes he's he's forever

00:55:47.958 --> 00:55:50.699
my guy he he did me a good

00:55:50.739 --> 00:55:51.940
deal on some pci five pci

00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:56.762
five man pci five is

00:55:58.153 --> 00:55:59.976
fucking fast I got that that

00:56:00.016 --> 00:56:01.478
fast shit for you no that

00:56:01.617 --> 00:56:04.260
shit is fast um what was I

00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.724
saying oh yeah so anyway uh

00:56:07.764 --> 00:56:08.827
monkeys was buying some

00:56:08.887 --> 00:56:10.407
servers recently it's got a

00:56:10.447 --> 00:56:11.630
wire reference yellow tops

00:56:11.730 --> 00:56:12.570
goddamn yellow tops

00:56:13.483 --> 00:56:15.585
I'm glad that somebody got

00:56:15.644 --> 00:56:16.646
my wire reference.

00:56:16.666 --> 00:56:17.045
Thank you.

00:56:17.065 --> 00:56:19.266
All right.

00:56:19.387 --> 00:56:20.306
No one wants to hear my story.

00:56:20.327 --> 00:56:20.766
It's fine.

00:56:21.027 --> 00:56:22.788
Okay.

00:56:23.369 --> 00:56:23.748
We get it.

00:56:23.969 --> 00:56:26.769
You're buying drugs or whatever.

00:56:27.050 --> 00:56:28.110
If you're a drive guy,

00:56:28.210 --> 00:56:29.652
if you go outside and the

00:56:29.672 --> 00:56:31.112
guy's sitting on a couch in

00:56:31.132 --> 00:56:35.253
the middle of a courtyard.

00:56:35.293 --> 00:56:36.635
So the drive guy is also a

00:56:36.695 --> 00:56:37.554
vendor for a couple of

00:56:37.594 --> 00:56:40.896
different brands of service.

00:56:42.115 --> 00:56:44.257
So like Supermicro and some other shit.

00:56:44.737 --> 00:56:45.117
Anyway,

00:56:45.418 --> 00:56:46.858
he was trying to sell me some other shit,

00:56:47.358 --> 00:56:48.259
which I'd never heard of.

00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:49.900
I told you about this.

00:56:50.940 --> 00:56:53.242
And because I'd never heard of him,

00:56:53.262 --> 00:56:54.503
I was like, you know,

00:56:54.782 --> 00:56:56.844
I think I'll just buy from

00:56:57.143 --> 00:56:58.144
the other vendor I usually

00:56:58.164 --> 00:56:59.626
get service from because I

00:56:59.666 --> 00:57:01.567
know that brand that I get

00:57:01.586 --> 00:57:02.407
from there and I haven't

00:57:02.427 --> 00:57:03.208
had any troubles with it.

00:57:04.170 --> 00:57:05.891
And then so they're like, well,

00:57:05.931 --> 00:57:07.072
we really want, I'm like,

00:57:07.132 --> 00:57:08.213
I don't know what the, you know,

00:57:08.273 --> 00:57:10.096
long-term longevity is like.

00:57:10.115 --> 00:57:10.675
I don't know if I'm going to

00:57:10.695 --> 00:57:12.177
have issues with how it's set up,

00:57:12.217 --> 00:57:12.617
et cetera.

00:57:13.458 --> 00:57:15.181
And so I said,

00:57:15.240 --> 00:57:16.161
I'm going to buy from the other guy.

00:57:16.382 --> 00:57:17.103
And they're like, all right.

00:57:17.643 --> 00:57:18.764
I said,

00:57:18.784 --> 00:57:20.226
but I'm going to send you one anyway.

00:57:23.489 --> 00:57:24.048
Yeah.

00:57:24.068 --> 00:57:24.329
Fuck it.

00:57:24.349 --> 00:57:25.170
That's drug dealing, man.

00:57:25.269 --> 00:57:26.391
That's what that is.

00:57:26.530 --> 00:57:28.592
Yeah, he's trying to get me on the crack.

00:57:28.612 --> 00:57:29.634
Your first taste is free.

00:57:29.653 --> 00:57:31.434
Exactly.

00:57:31.635 --> 00:57:32.715
That's fucking drug dealing.

00:57:33.476 --> 00:57:34.137
Yeah.

00:57:34.177 --> 00:57:36.018
So I don't know how long the loaner is for,

00:57:36.099 --> 00:57:37.539
but he's sending me one.

00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.400
Well, once it's in production,

00:57:39.621 --> 00:57:40.181
it's forever.

00:57:40.922 --> 00:57:41.382
Yeah, exactly.

00:57:41.402 --> 00:57:42.103
You're not going to rip that

00:57:42.123 --> 00:57:42.423
out of the rack.

00:57:42.443 --> 00:57:43.583
I don't think I can in good

00:57:43.643 --> 00:57:44.465
conscience put it in

00:57:44.505 --> 00:57:46.967
production in case he wants it back.

00:57:47.027 --> 00:57:47.768
I'm sure you can.

00:57:47.867 --> 00:57:48.568
We met some dudes when we

00:57:48.588 --> 00:57:49.668
were in Austin too, right?

00:57:49.708 --> 00:57:50.690
Wasn't there some drive guys there?

00:57:51.271 --> 00:57:52.751
There's the Keoxia guys.

00:57:53.552 --> 00:57:54.552
Oh, wait, no.

00:57:54.572 --> 00:57:55.213
It was Micron.

00:57:55.253 --> 00:57:56.393
It was Micron, not Keoxia.

00:57:56.434 --> 00:57:57.173
Did you ever talk to them?

00:57:57.735 --> 00:57:58.175
Yeah, man.

00:57:58.635 --> 00:58:00.056
We had... Oh, yeah?

00:58:00.135 --> 00:58:01.717
Did they send you free shit, too?

00:58:02.396 --> 00:58:02.936
No, they didn't.

00:58:02.976 --> 00:58:03.818
We were talking, though.

00:58:03.838 --> 00:58:05.438
It was like... Goddamn yellow tops.

00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:06.498
I like those guys.

00:58:06.518 --> 00:58:07.460
They're really knowledgeable.

00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.461
Micron's a good company.

00:58:10.481 --> 00:58:11.021
They make good shit.

00:58:11.081 --> 00:58:12.182
I just don't think... I'm

00:58:12.222 --> 00:58:13.182
guessing it's expensive,

00:58:13.202 --> 00:58:14.403
and I also think it's probably...

00:58:15.951 --> 00:58:16.632
it's all made here.

00:58:16.652 --> 00:58:17.873
I think I remember.

00:58:18.614 --> 00:58:18.815
Well,

00:58:18.934 --> 00:58:20.416
there's only like three manufacturers

00:58:20.436 --> 00:58:21.438
that actually make flash

00:58:21.478 --> 00:58:22.659
and they make their own flash.

00:58:22.699 --> 00:58:24.862
So they can be more competitive in a,

00:58:25.802 --> 00:58:26.182
so in a,

00:58:26.342 --> 00:58:28.947
in a market where there's a shortage,

00:58:28.967 --> 00:58:29.567
they can be more

00:58:29.606 --> 00:58:30.507
competitive because they

00:58:30.527 --> 00:58:31.650
can just cut off the third

00:58:31.670 --> 00:58:33.411
party manufacturers.

00:58:35.329 --> 00:58:36.610
which means that the

00:58:36.650 --> 00:58:37.650
third-party manufacturers

00:58:37.690 --> 00:58:38.431
have to jack up their

00:58:38.471 --> 00:58:39.471
prices because they can't

00:58:39.490 --> 00:58:40.311
make any more drives.

00:58:40.632 --> 00:58:43.092
But the OEMs just are like,

00:58:43.132 --> 00:58:45.353
we got all the flash, man.

00:58:45.373 --> 00:58:46.213
But then when there's tons,

00:58:46.233 --> 00:58:47.954
they just like saturate the

00:58:47.994 --> 00:58:49.094
market with it.

00:58:49.134 --> 00:58:50.353
But yeah,

00:58:50.773 --> 00:58:51.954
that was actually most of the

00:58:51.994 --> 00:58:52.855
conversation I had with

00:58:52.875 --> 00:58:55.275
them over there in Aston.

00:58:55.295 --> 00:58:56.335
In Aston.

00:58:57.306 --> 00:59:01.628
yeah um but in any case yeah

00:59:01.887 --> 00:59:04.128
uh this will be like the

00:59:04.208 --> 00:59:07.530
first um experience with

00:59:07.630 --> 00:59:09.891
seth and I've read up a

00:59:09.951 --> 00:59:13.112
fair bit and uh I think

00:59:13.152 --> 00:59:14.492
it's going to be good man I

00:59:14.512 --> 00:59:15.092
want to see that

00:59:15.193 --> 00:59:17.873
instantaneous vm hopping I

00:59:17.893 --> 00:59:19.233
wouldn't uh I would take it

00:59:19.253 --> 00:59:25.536
slow all production on there instantly

00:59:26.945 --> 00:59:27.286
Yeah, well,

00:59:27.306 --> 00:59:28.606
it'll be a testing for a while.

00:59:31.007 --> 00:59:32.286
But we had it for a while.

00:59:32.768 --> 00:59:33.487
It worked well.

00:59:33.507 --> 00:59:34.748
I don't remember any issues with it.

00:59:34.807 --> 00:59:35.788
It's just like some of that

00:59:35.807 --> 00:59:36.608
stuff is a little bit fidgety.

00:59:36.628 --> 00:59:40.550
And like, well, this was a few years ago.

00:59:40.610 --> 00:59:41.570
It was a while ago, actually.

00:59:41.710 --> 00:59:43.349
So it was still progressing

00:59:43.369 --> 00:59:44.110
really quickly where you

00:59:44.130 --> 00:59:45.851
had to kind of stay in the

00:59:45.871 --> 00:59:46.931
latest versions and things like that.

00:59:46.951 --> 00:59:48.291
I'm sure it's stabled out by now.

00:59:48.351 --> 00:59:51.313
But I would just I do

00:59:51.353 --> 00:59:52.373
remember like we'd had we'd

00:59:52.393 --> 00:59:53.333
had peers fall out of the

00:59:53.353 --> 00:59:54.172
cluster and things like

00:59:54.193 --> 00:59:55.434
that for stupid ass reasons,

00:59:55.713 --> 00:59:56.514
like stuff like that.

00:59:56.554 --> 00:59:56.673
But

00:59:58.045 --> 01:00:00.413
Probably because you didn't have four.

01:00:00.452 --> 01:00:01.496
Probably because I had four.

01:00:01.737 --> 01:00:02.278
That's probably why.

01:00:02.378 --> 01:00:03.181
It was probably split, too.

01:00:04.539 --> 01:00:10.105
We're going to have also like a NVMe NAS,

01:00:10.545 --> 01:00:13.608
all NVMe NAS, which is actually,

01:00:13.688 --> 01:00:14.409
it's going to be shared

01:00:14.469 --> 01:00:16.831
storage for the bigger things.

01:00:18.893 --> 01:00:20.134
So that'll be interesting.

01:00:20.594 --> 01:00:21.755
Got a hundred gig backbone,

01:00:21.795 --> 01:00:22.576
which I finally have

01:00:22.635 --> 01:00:23.476
working properly now.

01:00:24.217 --> 01:00:26.579
And man, that transfer shit fast,

01:00:27.340 --> 01:00:28.621
like real fast.

01:00:28.782 --> 01:00:28.862
Yeah.

01:00:29.081 --> 01:00:30.003
It is impressive.

01:00:31.045 --> 01:00:33.750
Yeah.

01:00:33.769 --> 01:00:35.592
So that'll be interesting, man.

01:00:35.833 --> 01:00:37.114
You'll hear all about it as

01:00:37.175 --> 01:00:38.356
I'm swearing and kicking

01:00:38.376 --> 01:00:40.199
things late nights.

01:00:41.121 --> 01:00:41.280
Yeah.

01:00:41.300 --> 01:00:42.342
Trying to make it all work properly.

01:00:42.824 --> 01:00:43.244
There's a good...

01:00:44.445 --> 01:00:45.827
it's a good area within

01:00:45.847 --> 01:00:47.407
blockchain because it's a

01:00:47.487 --> 01:00:48.889
tough problem to solve it's

01:00:48.929 --> 01:00:50.670
not it's not a trivial

01:00:50.710 --> 01:00:52.431
problem honestly and it's

01:00:52.490 --> 01:00:53.851
incredibly important number

01:00:53.891 --> 01:00:55.492
two and number three people

01:00:55.512 --> 01:00:56.673
I think discount the the

01:00:56.693 --> 01:00:57.715
complexity of it and like

01:00:57.735 --> 01:00:58.695
the idea of storing this

01:00:58.715 --> 01:00:59.516
for a long period of time

01:01:00.516 --> 01:01:01.617
um and I think the funny

01:01:01.637 --> 01:01:03.278
thing is people discount it

01:01:03.579 --> 01:01:04.960
until they need it yeah

01:01:04.980 --> 01:01:06.721
yeah for sure exactly yeah

01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:08.461
exactly which has also

01:01:08.501 --> 01:01:09.842
happened recently where

01:01:11.128 --> 01:01:12.168
the efforts weren't really

01:01:12.228 --> 01:01:13.650
recognized anymore until

01:01:13.889 --> 01:01:15.050
one day someone did it.

01:01:15.110 --> 01:01:15.829
Oh shit.

01:01:15.869 --> 01:01:17.590
I need a block from blah, blah, blah, blah,

01:01:17.610 --> 01:01:17.851
blah.

01:01:17.871 --> 01:01:18.831
And nobody has it because

01:01:18.891 --> 01:01:20.211
everybody's state sinking

01:01:20.251 --> 01:01:21.831
or taking Polka choose one

01:01:21.871 --> 01:01:22.972
hour backups type of shit.

01:01:23.012 --> 01:01:23.211
Right.

01:01:23.311 --> 01:01:25.112
And nobody fucking has any

01:01:25.152 --> 01:01:26.132
history whatsoever.

01:01:27.074 --> 01:01:27.434
Yeah.

01:01:27.454 --> 01:01:28.534
Or reliable history.

01:01:29.534 --> 01:01:29.753
Yeah.

01:01:30.273 --> 01:01:30.534
Yeah.

01:01:30.554 --> 01:01:30.815
It's like,

01:01:31.414 --> 01:01:32.894
it's a very specific hardware

01:01:32.914 --> 01:01:33.554
problem as well.

01:01:33.574 --> 01:01:35.396
I mean, like, uh,

01:01:36.606 --> 01:01:37.347
kind of, if you're going to,

01:01:37.387 --> 01:01:37.987
if you're going to go off

01:01:38.007 --> 01:01:39.929
to like the archive use case,

01:01:39.989 --> 01:01:41.048
it is like good fucking

01:01:41.108 --> 01:01:43.010
luck doing that in any other way,

01:01:43.070 --> 01:01:45.190
other than earning your own hardware at,

01:01:45.630 --> 01:01:46.251
at the end of the day.

01:01:46.271 --> 01:01:46.692
Yeah.

01:01:46.711 --> 01:01:47.211
You have to.

01:01:47.831 --> 01:01:48.672
Yeah.

01:01:48.693 --> 01:01:50.052
There are still other people

01:01:50.092 --> 01:01:51.474
that are running, um,

01:01:52.333 --> 01:01:53.494
rented hardware with some

01:01:53.534 --> 01:01:54.494
of these big archives.

01:01:55.195 --> 01:01:55.615
Yeah.

01:01:55.635 --> 01:01:56.536
But the funny thing is,

01:01:56.576 --> 01:01:57.536
is that they just run out

01:01:57.556 --> 01:01:59.237
of capacity and then they're like,

01:02:00.177 --> 01:02:02.759
I know of one team running

01:02:02.798 --> 01:02:04.260
an archive on AWS, um,

01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:07.320
But I mean,

01:02:07.661 --> 01:02:10.121
they have literally millions of dollars.

01:02:10.382 --> 01:02:11.322
Like that's the only,

01:02:12.063 --> 01:02:16.186
I can only think of one.

01:02:16.246 --> 01:02:16.585
Yeah.

01:02:16.646 --> 01:02:19.987
I think there's, I do think that,

01:02:20.268 --> 01:02:21.528
that people underestimate

01:02:21.588 --> 01:02:22.889
the complexity that it comes to this.

01:02:22.989 --> 01:02:24.391
And also like when it comes

01:02:24.411 --> 01:02:25.391
to like even backups or

01:02:25.592 --> 01:02:26.853
snapshots or those types of things, like

01:02:27.813 --> 01:02:27.992
I mean,

01:02:28.032 --> 01:02:29.715
people fuck up their nodes all the

01:02:29.735 --> 01:02:31.117
fucking time, right?

01:02:31.456 --> 01:02:33.559
And with this, if you're not smart,

01:02:33.579 --> 01:02:35.061
you fuck up that node, it's done.

01:02:35.561 --> 01:02:38.324
Like that history, if you lose it,

01:02:38.344 --> 01:02:38.565
it's gone.

01:02:38.585 --> 01:02:39.447
Nodes fucking fail.

01:02:39.666 --> 01:02:40.668
Like hardware fails.

01:02:43.371 --> 01:02:44.432
It's kind of like hard to...

01:02:47.193 --> 01:02:49.375
You get very used to, I guess,

01:02:49.414 --> 01:02:51.034
like when you do normal

01:02:51.074 --> 01:02:51.974
software engineering,

01:02:51.994 --> 01:02:52.856
like normal software

01:02:52.876 --> 01:02:53.976
engineering for clients or

01:02:53.996 --> 01:02:55.115
deploying websites or

01:02:55.155 --> 01:02:56.896
deploying applications or whatever,

01:02:57.016 --> 01:03:00.398
like you get very used to a

01:03:00.458 --> 01:03:04.438
particular lifecycle, right?

01:03:06.331 --> 01:03:08.994
where you actually do move

01:03:09.014 --> 01:03:11.115
stuff quite often without

01:03:11.155 --> 01:03:12.016
really realizing it.

01:03:12.077 --> 01:03:13.538
And it's only when you do

01:03:13.597 --> 01:03:15.599
stuff with blockchain where

01:03:15.780 --> 01:03:16.641
really you don't want to

01:03:16.661 --> 01:03:18.121
move stuff unless you actually have to,

01:03:19.063 --> 01:03:19.963
but you are in production

01:03:19.983 --> 01:03:21.125
for a long period of time.

01:03:22.115 --> 01:03:23.496
where you begin to see,

01:03:23.757 --> 01:03:26.177
at least from my perspective,

01:03:26.798 --> 01:03:28.179
I've seen a lot more weird

01:03:28.219 --> 01:03:30.280
hardware issues in this

01:03:30.300 --> 01:03:32.322
space than on any other projects.

01:03:33.161 --> 01:03:35.463
And even on just test nets and things,

01:03:35.483 --> 01:03:36.304
we had some long-running

01:03:36.344 --> 01:03:37.885
test nets where boxes would

01:03:37.905 --> 01:03:39.925
just go into a crash loop or something.

01:03:40.467 --> 01:03:41.086
And it was just because

01:03:41.106 --> 01:03:41.706
they'd been running the

01:03:41.746 --> 01:03:42.867
same workload for like,

01:03:43.047 --> 01:03:44.028
twelve months or whatever.

01:03:44.228 --> 01:03:45.630
It was a VM or whatever it might be.

01:03:45.690 --> 01:03:47.590
And they were just not recoverable.

01:03:49.521 --> 01:03:53.706
yeah yeah I don't know it's

01:03:53.726 --> 01:03:54.907
a validator life in that I

01:03:54.927 --> 01:03:56.949
suppose yeah but you can

01:03:57.009 --> 01:03:59.451
even just like I don't know

01:03:59.471 --> 01:04:00.351
if you're doing maintenance

01:04:00.411 --> 01:04:02.074
and you just restart the

01:04:02.094 --> 01:04:03.275
box or something and don't

01:04:03.295 --> 01:04:04.056
shut down your node

01:04:04.096 --> 01:04:04.735
properly you can corrupt

01:04:04.755 --> 01:04:06.318
the database easily repair

01:04:06.358 --> 01:04:07.878
out anything like that just

01:04:07.898 --> 01:04:09.380
corrupt the database or

01:04:09.420 --> 01:04:10.722
fucking everyone yolo into

01:04:10.742 --> 01:04:11.882
an upgrade like they did on

01:04:12.282 --> 01:04:12.824
that one chain

01:04:13.409 --> 01:04:13.530
Yeah,

01:04:13.570 --> 01:04:15.010
I'm running some nodes for a testnet

01:04:15.030 --> 01:04:16.231
right now that are OMing at

01:04:16.251 --> 01:04:17.152
a hundred and twenty eight gigs.

01:04:17.472 --> 01:04:19.913
Fucking OMS process gets killed.

01:04:20.313 --> 01:04:21.072
Database corrupted.

01:04:21.213 --> 01:04:21.492
Gone.

01:04:22.213 --> 01:04:22.753
Yeah.

01:04:22.793 --> 01:04:26.034
So like it's it happens pretty easily.

01:04:26.355 --> 01:04:28.235
And so the ability to say like, hey,

01:04:28.255 --> 01:04:29.235
I want to do it now or I

01:04:29.275 --> 01:04:31.838
want to do it if if, you know,

01:04:32.077 --> 01:04:32.878
you're going to run it for

01:04:32.958 --> 01:04:33.858
years and years and be a

01:04:33.898 --> 01:04:34.978
trusted resource for that.

01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:38.139
Like it's a it's a big responsibility.

01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:39.621
I don't know if you're up to it, honestly,

01:04:39.661 --> 01:04:39.760
but.

01:04:40.635 --> 01:04:40.974
Actually,

01:04:41.456 --> 01:04:45.277
I corrupted the MySA one just two

01:04:45.297 --> 01:04:45.597
days ago.

01:04:45.617 --> 01:04:45.757
Yeah.

01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:48.840
When I was trying to improve the, because,

01:04:49.701 --> 01:04:51.862
you know, I talked to you guys last week.

01:04:52.402 --> 01:04:55.164
We moved that server to a

01:04:55.204 --> 01:04:57.005
different location and now

01:04:57.244 --> 01:04:58.746
it has a new IP.

01:04:59.346 --> 01:05:01.347
So you had to nuke the node

01:05:01.427 --> 01:05:03.309
ID because otherwise,

01:05:04.128 --> 01:05:05.250
if you change IPs and don't

01:05:05.269 --> 01:05:05.769
change node IDs,

01:05:05.789 --> 01:05:07.851
you have a lot of problems with P to P.

01:05:08.711 --> 01:05:10.193
so we drop the node id

01:05:10.733 --> 01:05:11.873
because they're they're in

01:05:11.934 --> 01:05:12.893
everyone's address book so

01:05:12.914 --> 01:05:14.355
it's a different ip yeah

01:05:14.375 --> 01:05:15.536
but it just takes it

01:05:15.576 --> 01:05:16.655
probably takes ten twelve

01:05:16.755 --> 01:05:17.536
twenty four hours it'll

01:05:17.577 --> 01:05:19.617
sort itself out right well

01:05:20.077 --> 01:05:21.038
so we you'll just make

01:05:21.057 --> 01:05:21.918
outbound connections it'll

01:05:21.938 --> 01:05:23.039
stay there and people yeah

01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:24.239
just get just get somebody

01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:25.420
to update their pair no

01:05:26.501 --> 01:05:27.601
well we just changed the

01:05:27.641 --> 01:05:29.623
node id and anyway but then

01:05:29.822 --> 01:05:30.682
then when we go out and do

01:05:30.722 --> 01:05:31.664
peering again like we

01:05:31.704 --> 01:05:33.664
weren't getting good peers and

01:05:34.998 --> 01:05:36.900
You'd catch up and then when

01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:39.041
you went back to consensus mode,

01:05:39.141 --> 01:05:40.684
it just wasn't able to keep

01:05:40.744 --> 01:05:41.403
up with the network.

01:05:41.423 --> 01:05:42.846
It was like half the network speed,

01:05:43.445 --> 01:05:43.987
stuff like that.

01:05:44.027 --> 01:05:45.027
So troubleshooting that,

01:05:45.068 --> 01:05:46.329
trying to try different

01:05:46.750 --> 01:05:47.771
settings and a few

01:05:47.791 --> 01:05:48.471
different things and

01:05:49.112 --> 01:05:51.753
routing and stuff to make it work better.

01:05:52.855 --> 01:05:54.155
Um, and then, yeah,

01:05:54.235 --> 01:05:55.295
I just rebooted the server

01:05:55.315 --> 01:05:56.436
without thinking and then

01:05:56.476 --> 01:05:58.536
corrupted that database, um,

01:05:58.998 --> 01:06:00.217
as I was just smashing

01:06:00.237 --> 01:06:01.358
through a bunch of different steps.

01:06:01.759 --> 01:06:02.818
Cause it, is it why?

01:06:02.838 --> 01:06:03.500
Cause it shut down the

01:06:03.539 --> 01:06:04.780
process too fast or something.

01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:05.619
Just killed it.

01:06:05.659 --> 01:06:05.880
Yeah.

01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:06.081
Yeah.

01:06:06.101 --> 01:06:08.601
Cause I just, I was, I changed some, um,

01:06:09.302 --> 01:06:10.621
some operating system

01:06:10.681 --> 01:06:14.523
settings and then just did restart now.

01:06:14.664 --> 01:06:14.884
Yeah.

01:06:14.923 --> 01:06:15.043
Yeah.

01:06:15.063 --> 01:06:15.204
Yeah.

01:06:15.224 --> 01:06:16.485
Without like a proper shutdown.

01:06:16.724 --> 01:06:16.905
Yeah.

01:06:17.833 --> 01:06:18.572
I'm glad that we're running

01:06:18.773 --> 01:06:19.713
twenty say no's over here.

01:06:19.733 --> 01:06:20.574
You didn't even ask for me

01:06:20.594 --> 01:06:22.054
to add you to Persistent.

01:06:22.135 --> 01:06:23.554
I really appreciate that trust over there.

01:06:25.215 --> 01:06:26.115
I didn't want to have to

01:06:26.155 --> 01:06:27.396
rely on Persistent peers.

01:06:28.757 --> 01:06:29.838
I don't have any Persistent peers.

01:06:30.117 --> 01:06:30.838
Just for a little bit.

01:06:30.878 --> 01:06:31.398
I could have given you an

01:06:31.418 --> 01:06:31.878
address book too.

01:06:31.898 --> 01:06:36.039
You're a pain in the ass.

01:06:36.179 --> 01:06:37.179
It's tough being your friend.

01:06:37.561 --> 01:06:39.121
You don't have address books on Say.

01:06:40.061 --> 01:06:40.702
True.

01:06:40.822 --> 01:06:44.443
You're right.

01:06:44.503 --> 01:06:44.782
Anyway,

01:06:44.822 --> 01:06:46.443
but then I just rolled back to like

01:06:47.590 --> 01:06:50.092
an hour before and it was all good.

01:06:50.132 --> 01:06:50.472
With what?

01:06:50.532 --> 01:06:51.233
With CFS?

01:06:51.253 --> 01:06:52.653
CFS, yeah.

01:06:52.773 --> 01:06:54.255
It took ten seconds to roll

01:06:54.275 --> 01:06:55.456
it back and then another

01:06:56.255 --> 01:06:57.597
fucking two hours to catch back up.

01:06:57.617 --> 01:06:59.117
Would SADE rollback work too?

01:07:00.117 --> 01:07:00.818
Like, would you let the... Ah, no.

01:07:00.878 --> 01:07:01.918
Did you try it or no?

01:07:01.958 --> 01:07:02.380
Is it fucked up?

01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:02.539
No,

01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:04.400
because it actually... If you don't

01:07:04.420 --> 01:07:06.121
close off the database with

01:07:06.141 --> 01:07:07.141
the stuff out of RAM,

01:07:07.362 --> 01:07:09.103
sometimes it can just... You're done.

01:07:09.204 --> 01:07:10.244
It doesn't matter if you roll back.

01:07:10.483 --> 01:07:11.445
The database is fucked.

01:07:12.184 --> 01:07:12.826
I'm dealing with that now

01:07:12.846 --> 01:07:15.367
with this testnet where it's OOMing,

01:07:15.387 --> 01:07:16.128
which is ridiculous.

01:07:17.947 --> 01:07:19.048
but, and then, so it kills it.

01:07:19.068 --> 01:07:20.130
Then they get a panic,

01:07:20.711 --> 01:07:21.693
but actually the rollback

01:07:21.753 --> 01:07:22.815
is working for somehow.

01:07:22.835 --> 01:07:24.297
I don't even know how, but it does.

01:07:24.317 --> 01:07:24.938
It's weird.

01:07:25.338 --> 01:07:28.224
That's cool.

01:07:28.324 --> 01:07:28.824
So everything's in,

01:07:28.945 --> 01:07:30.668
everything's in your new location.

01:07:32.148 --> 01:07:32.827
Everything's firing.

01:07:32.847 --> 01:07:34.528
You had your thirty six hour

01:07:34.548 --> 01:07:36.889
fucking cross country track

01:07:36.909 --> 01:07:37.849
to go pick up all your

01:07:37.889 --> 01:07:39.090
babies and bring them back home.

01:07:39.510 --> 01:07:40.429
Forty hours.

01:07:40.769 --> 01:07:41.590
Thirty eight hundred

01:07:41.610 --> 01:07:43.490
kilometers in forty hours.

01:07:43.771 --> 01:07:44.851
And you took a friend to write.

01:07:45.690 --> 01:07:45.911
Yeah,

01:07:45.931 --> 01:07:47.871
I picked him up like six hours from

01:07:47.931 --> 01:07:48.311
my house.

01:07:48.351 --> 01:07:49.431
I picked up my friend so we

01:07:49.452 --> 01:07:50.871
could share the driving for the next.

01:07:51.452 --> 01:07:51.992
She's funny.

01:07:52.293 --> 01:07:53.233
I can't believe you bullied

01:07:53.253 --> 01:07:54.233
your armor into it, man.

01:07:56.152 --> 01:07:57.614
What the fuck did you buy that guy?

01:07:57.634 --> 01:07:58.733
Did you like did you?

01:08:00.295 --> 01:08:01.195
uh it's just nothing you

01:08:01.215 --> 01:08:03.217
just call them a cut and

01:08:03.257 --> 01:08:04.958
left drop them off yeah I

01:08:04.978 --> 01:08:05.679
just kicked him out and

01:08:05.699 --> 01:08:07.420
kept going actually he fed

01:08:07.460 --> 01:08:08.721
me his wife fed me on the

01:08:08.740 --> 01:08:10.001
way through even better

01:08:10.461 --> 01:08:12.264
even better amazing

01:08:12.967 --> 01:08:14.027
And then I came home

01:08:14.088 --> 01:08:15.148
straight to the data center,

01:08:16.028 --> 01:08:17.729
racked everything, configured stuff,

01:08:18.488 --> 01:08:20.329
and then went home.

01:08:20.569 --> 01:08:21.850
And then couldn't sleep, actually.

01:08:21.890 --> 01:08:22.690
The baby was crying,

01:08:22.871 --> 01:08:23.811
so I stayed up with the

01:08:23.832 --> 01:08:24.752
baby for a few hours.

01:08:25.271 --> 01:08:26.132
And then it was daytime,

01:08:26.313 --> 01:08:27.372
and I can't sleep during the day.

01:08:27.613 --> 01:08:29.094
So then it was another full

01:08:29.113 --> 01:08:30.515
day until I actually went to sleep.

01:08:30.914 --> 01:08:31.375
So funny.

01:08:32.135 --> 01:08:34.136
Yeah.

01:08:34.235 --> 01:08:34.917
Everything's local.

01:08:35.497 --> 01:08:36.356
Got a good data center.

01:08:36.997 --> 01:08:37.698
Everything's looking good.

01:08:38.604 --> 01:08:40.265
Yeah, man, tier four data center.

01:08:40.604 --> 01:08:42.527
It is very nice in there.

01:08:44.929 --> 01:08:46.550
Good power, good internet.

01:08:46.569 --> 01:08:48.770
Nicer than your old data center?

01:08:48.871 --> 01:08:50.893
It was a shitty tier three.

01:08:50.932 --> 01:08:53.094
Oh, shitty tier three.

01:08:53.113 --> 01:08:54.414
How do you live with yourself?

01:08:54.515 --> 01:08:55.456
How do you live with yourself?

01:08:55.716 --> 01:08:56.117
I know.

01:08:56.697 --> 01:08:58.198
Felt so dirty walking in there.

01:08:58.318 --> 01:09:01.359
They've got these mats.

01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:02.761
When you walk into the data halls,

01:09:02.780 --> 01:09:03.601
they've got the mats on the

01:09:03.622 --> 01:09:04.743
ground that are sticky and

01:09:04.783 --> 01:09:05.703
pick up the dust on your feet.

01:09:05.722 --> 01:09:06.243
Pick up your shit.

01:09:07.845 --> 01:09:11.109
So you know you're in like the place.

01:09:11.128 --> 01:09:14.631
So you know you're in Nell's happy place.

01:09:14.671 --> 01:09:15.351
Yeah.

01:09:15.391 --> 01:09:17.132
If you're up to me,

01:09:17.172 --> 01:09:18.394
the whole floor would be sticky.

01:09:18.894 --> 01:09:20.295
Is that for people who don't wear shoes?

01:09:20.314 --> 01:09:20.956
You just walk in there with

01:09:20.975 --> 01:09:22.157
bare feet and suck all the

01:09:22.176 --> 01:09:23.177
dirt off your Australian feet?

01:09:23.318 --> 01:09:23.578
Yeah,

01:09:23.597 --> 01:09:25.738
suck all the germs and all the barnacles.

01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:30.063
I don't know.

01:09:30.743 --> 01:09:31.583
It's a rule that you have to

01:09:31.604 --> 01:09:33.024
wear covered shoes.

01:09:34.405 --> 01:09:34.707
Actually,

01:09:35.027 --> 01:09:37.130
these guys are so anal about

01:09:37.170 --> 01:09:38.853
their like rules that they

01:09:39.113 --> 01:09:40.654
go and audit your racks.

01:09:41.537 --> 01:09:44.180
And if you don't have the

01:09:44.240 --> 01:09:46.444
blanks in between your servers,

01:09:46.463 --> 01:09:48.146
you get like an angry email.

01:09:49.735 --> 01:09:51.296
say that one more time you

01:09:51.317 --> 01:09:52.097
can't do if you don't have

01:09:52.137 --> 01:09:53.399
the blanks in between your

01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:54.359
servers like if you've got

01:09:54.460 --> 01:09:56.341
empty rack units because

01:09:56.362 --> 01:09:57.421
they're not blanked off to

01:09:57.442 --> 01:09:58.283
stop the fucking heat

01:09:58.342 --> 01:09:59.844
coming back yeah because

01:09:59.863 --> 01:10:01.626
they don't they want to

01:10:01.966 --> 01:10:02.907
maintain the cool side hot

01:10:02.926 --> 01:10:04.307
side right yeah because

01:10:04.328 --> 01:10:05.488
cold side is like yeah so

01:10:05.509 --> 01:10:07.291
you're just you're just

01:10:07.570 --> 01:10:08.652
you're wasting electricity

01:10:08.671 --> 01:10:09.712
basically yeah you just

01:10:09.773 --> 01:10:11.213
ruin the efficiency yeah

01:10:13.649 --> 01:10:14.829
Do they provide you blanks?

01:10:15.109 --> 01:10:15.511
Yeah, man.

01:10:15.530 --> 01:10:16.951
There's fucking stacks of

01:10:16.990 --> 01:10:18.051
blanks everywhere you go.

01:10:18.072 --> 01:10:19.273
That's nice.

01:10:19.292 --> 01:10:20.273
Some places they don't do that.

01:10:22.253 --> 01:10:22.975
They've got two kinds.

01:10:22.994 --> 01:10:24.095
They've got clip-in ones,

01:10:24.135 --> 01:10:25.036
but then they've got these...

01:10:25.970 --> 01:10:29.171
like um core was it like

01:10:29.212 --> 01:10:30.193
core board you know the

01:10:30.552 --> 01:10:31.873
stuff they make signs out

01:10:31.894 --> 01:10:33.595
of it oh yeah just a little

01:10:33.615 --> 01:10:34.837
yeah it's got it's got like

01:10:35.317 --> 01:10:36.778
aluminium rip out sections

01:10:36.797 --> 01:10:37.979
I don't I hate that one I

01:10:37.998 --> 01:10:39.739
just put the fucking these

01:10:39.779 --> 01:10:42.783
snap in ones um crazy yeah

01:10:43.422 --> 01:10:44.863
rama says if you can't hear

01:10:45.043 --> 01:10:46.125
the hum of your money

01:10:46.164 --> 01:10:47.345
disappearing when you're in

01:10:47.405 --> 01:10:48.747
there it's not high quality

01:10:48.787 --> 01:10:50.948
enough a data center man

01:10:50.988 --> 01:10:52.590
you have to wear um you

01:10:52.609 --> 01:10:53.130
have to wear noise

01:10:53.170 --> 01:10:54.051
cancelling headphones in

01:10:54.091 --> 01:10:55.311
there you will fucking just

01:10:56.962 --> 01:11:00.186
bash your head until you die if you don't.

01:11:00.847 --> 01:11:01.969
Can you get me some field

01:11:02.009 --> 01:11:03.029
recordings in there?

01:11:03.631 --> 01:11:05.011
Or are they going to shoot

01:11:05.072 --> 01:11:06.054
you dead on the spot?

01:11:06.073 --> 01:11:07.475
Some SMR?

01:11:07.756 --> 01:11:11.539
I want some good high quality.

01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:12.820
I want some tier four

01:11:15.418 --> 01:11:16.458
I can live stream it if you

01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:18.020
want right from the exhaust

01:11:18.060 --> 01:11:20.462
of my server I want you to

01:11:20.481 --> 01:11:22.143
take your fancy mic set up

01:11:22.182 --> 01:11:25.784
there and just just pot it

01:11:25.864 --> 01:11:27.365
down the aisle record it

01:11:27.487 --> 01:11:28.587
record me like a few

01:11:28.627 --> 01:11:30.228
minutes of just like tier

01:11:30.268 --> 01:11:32.449
four tier four data center

01:11:32.510 --> 01:11:34.091
white noise that would be like

01:11:34.813 --> 01:11:35.792
like one of your french

01:11:35.853 --> 01:11:39.215
girls it's gonna be I look

01:11:39.274 --> 01:11:40.635
we we all know that like if

01:11:40.675 --> 01:11:41.975
your kink is data centers

01:11:42.376 --> 01:11:43.496
or hard drives or whatever

01:11:43.536 --> 01:11:46.016
it was video games whatever

01:11:46.037 --> 01:11:46.817
it was we were just talking

01:11:46.837 --> 01:11:47.637
about I don't give a shit

01:11:48.198 --> 01:11:50.958
um yeah my my kink is

01:11:51.118 --> 01:11:52.840
esoteric primo field

01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:54.119
recordings of random ass

01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:56.081
shit um and this this

01:11:56.121 --> 01:11:57.261
sounds fucking great I'm

01:11:57.341 --> 01:12:00.301
into it let's go um that's

01:12:00.322 --> 01:12:01.622
what I would like for christmas santa

01:12:03.262 --> 01:12:04.963
I told the sales rep that I

01:12:04.984 --> 01:12:06.005
was driving to Melbourne

01:12:06.024 --> 01:12:07.364
and back from Brisbane,

01:12:07.425 --> 01:12:08.405
and he asked me to record it.

01:12:09.225 --> 01:12:12.247
Really?

01:12:13.788 --> 01:12:13.868
Nice.

01:12:13.889 --> 01:12:14.628
He said he just really likes

01:12:14.689 --> 01:12:16.810
watching fucking people driving.

01:12:17.150 --> 01:12:18.211
I could easily do that.

01:12:18.230 --> 01:12:19.212
Just put a... Yeah,

01:12:19.391 --> 01:12:20.653
epic episode of the podcast.

01:12:20.712 --> 01:12:21.132
I'd be into it.

01:12:21.153 --> 01:12:26.296
Yeah, just a big square of yellow.

01:12:26.315 --> 01:12:27.076
Can you stick a GoPro on the

01:12:27.136 --> 01:12:29.277
windscreen and just record that for me?

01:12:29.317 --> 01:12:30.278
I was like...

01:12:30.770 --> 01:12:32.492
No, I can't do that.

01:12:32.652 --> 01:12:33.932
It's just yellow.

01:12:34.092 --> 01:12:34.813
It's all yellow.

01:12:36.173 --> 01:12:37.213
Yellow haze.

01:12:37.673 --> 01:12:41.195
For forty-eight hours.

01:12:41.456 --> 01:12:42.277
That's the back way.

01:12:42.396 --> 01:12:45.658
I went via the country to

01:12:45.717 --> 01:12:46.599
pick this dude up.

01:12:47.059 --> 01:12:50.180
At least it's windy in the back way.

01:12:50.220 --> 01:12:51.501
If you go the coast road,

01:12:51.940 --> 01:12:53.122
it's literally just

01:12:54.141 --> 01:12:56.443
straight the entire way.

01:12:56.523 --> 01:12:57.783
How fast are you going?

01:12:59.625 --> 01:13:01.445
like on if you take the

01:13:01.466 --> 01:13:02.506
coast how fast you're gonna

01:13:02.907 --> 01:13:06.750
go fast as a bullet about

01:13:06.829 --> 01:13:08.430
sixty mile an hour um in

01:13:08.451 --> 01:13:10.192
the country way no it has

01:13:10.212 --> 01:13:11.953
to be more than that really

01:13:11.972 --> 01:13:13.673
a hundred k's yeah that's

01:13:13.833 --> 01:13:15.635
it jesus christ there's

01:13:15.654 --> 01:13:17.336
about a third of it a third

01:13:17.355 --> 01:13:18.256
of it is a hundred and ten

01:13:18.296 --> 01:13:19.037
which I don't know there's

01:13:19.096 --> 01:13:21.798
sixty six dude fourteen

01:13:21.838 --> 01:13:22.600
hours at sixty miles an

01:13:22.619 --> 01:13:23.260
hour that put a fucking

01:13:23.300 --> 01:13:24.501
bullet in my head are you kidding me

01:13:25.195 --> 01:13:26.577
That's ridiculous.

01:13:27.216 --> 01:13:28.516
Oh my God, dude.

01:13:28.657 --> 01:13:29.898
That's fucking torture.

01:13:29.917 --> 01:13:31.278
You might as well get out and walk.

01:13:33.819 --> 01:13:34.640
What the fuck?

01:13:34.659 --> 01:13:35.680
Sixty miles an hour.

01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:37.360
At least here in the middle

01:13:37.381 --> 01:13:38.621
of nowhere we can do eighty-five.

01:13:39.841 --> 01:13:40.462
At least you're doing...

01:13:40.641 --> 01:13:42.222
That's like a hundred and thirty.

01:13:42.283 --> 01:13:43.622
No, more than that.

01:13:44.162 --> 01:13:45.304
Is that... No.

01:13:45.323 --> 01:13:45.783
Two hundred.

01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:48.320
What is that?

01:13:48.360 --> 01:13:48.801
Good at math.

01:13:48.822 --> 01:13:51.023
I don't even know what the hell it is.

01:13:51.042 --> 01:13:52.224
I think one hundred thirty five.

01:13:52.243 --> 01:13:52.824
One hundred forty.

01:13:52.845 --> 01:13:53.545
One hundred forty.

01:13:53.805 --> 01:13:54.246
One forty.

01:13:54.265 --> 01:13:55.127
Yeah, it's pretty decent.

01:13:55.167 --> 01:13:55.867
You don't want forty.

01:13:55.987 --> 01:13:56.828
Like you're hauling.

01:13:56.927 --> 01:13:58.128
Actually, some parts of West Texas is.

01:13:58.989 --> 01:13:59.310
Well,

01:14:00.051 --> 01:14:01.212
some of those are eighty five or ninety,

01:14:01.231 --> 01:14:01.752
if I remember.

01:14:02.271 --> 01:14:03.233
But you can you can get up there,

01:14:03.353 --> 01:14:03.953
which means you're doing

01:14:03.993 --> 01:14:05.015
ten over that or fifteen over that,

01:14:05.034 --> 01:14:05.574
which means you're probably

01:14:05.595 --> 01:14:06.235
doing one hundred fifty,

01:14:06.256 --> 01:14:06.956
one hundred sixty.

01:14:07.856 --> 01:14:08.938
In the Northern Territory,

01:14:08.957 --> 01:14:10.238
you can probably I think

01:14:10.259 --> 01:14:10.878
you can do one hundred and

01:14:10.918 --> 01:14:11.479
forty up there.

01:14:12.341 --> 01:14:13.801
But is it populated, though?

01:14:13.841 --> 01:14:15.842
Or is it really like a documentary?

01:14:15.882 --> 01:14:16.384
Mad Max.

01:14:19.076 --> 01:14:22.377
I think part of the reason

01:14:22.438 --> 01:14:23.837
they don't have really high

01:14:23.898 --> 01:14:24.738
speed limits here is

01:14:24.779 --> 01:14:25.998
because running into

01:14:26.019 --> 01:14:27.319
kangaroos is pretty prolific.

01:14:27.340 --> 01:14:28.319
Yeah.

01:14:29.001 --> 01:14:29.921
And there's a big difference

01:14:29.940 --> 01:14:30.940
between hitting a kangaroo

01:14:30.961 --> 01:14:31.761
at a hundred and hitting a

01:14:31.801 --> 01:14:32.822
kangaroo at a hundred and forty.

01:14:32.841 --> 01:14:33.162
Yeah.

01:14:33.222 --> 01:14:35.344
Yeah.

01:14:35.823 --> 01:14:36.984
One you'd walk away from and

01:14:37.003 --> 01:14:41.286
the other one you like don't.

01:14:41.345 --> 01:14:42.827
Really bad pinata.

01:14:43.880 --> 01:14:46.041
Yeah, my mate hit a... Actually,

01:14:46.060 --> 01:14:46.980
the same dude I picked up

01:14:47.020 --> 01:14:47.720
on the way down there,

01:14:48.220 --> 01:14:49.782
he has previously had an accident.

01:14:50.002 --> 01:14:51.181
He hit a cow.

01:14:53.103 --> 01:14:53.323
Yeah.

01:14:53.703 --> 01:14:54.143
Oh, really?

01:14:54.283 --> 01:14:55.523
Yeah, it was like a little... Oh,

01:14:55.542 --> 01:14:56.524
that thing will fuck you up.

01:14:57.264 --> 01:14:59.363
Yeah, the cow was fucked.

01:15:00.085 --> 01:15:01.444
So is the coast road faster?

01:15:01.465 --> 01:15:02.125
Because I'm guessing that

01:15:02.244 --> 01:15:03.345
doesn't have these issues, right?

01:15:03.364 --> 01:15:06.305
That's probably more... What's that?

01:15:07.046 --> 01:15:08.787
The coast road probably doesn't have...

01:15:09.738 --> 01:15:10.099
Oh, yeah.

01:15:10.158 --> 01:15:10.519
No,

01:15:10.578 --> 01:15:13.260
it's all blocked off to animals and shit.

01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:14.701
You could easily do a hundred and sixty,

01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:15.841
a hundred and seventy on that road.

01:15:15.961 --> 01:15:16.942
Oh, okay.

01:15:16.981 --> 01:15:18.742
It's primo, but you're not allowed to.

01:15:19.462 --> 01:15:20.903
The speed limit there is a hundred and ten,

01:15:22.163 --> 01:15:22.764
which means you can get

01:15:22.783 --> 01:15:25.265
away with like a hundred and fifteen.

01:15:25.305 --> 01:15:25.845
Which is what?

01:15:25.944 --> 01:15:27.746
It's like seventy, basically.

01:15:28.506 --> 01:15:30.867
Yeah.

01:15:30.926 --> 01:15:31.127
I mean,

01:15:31.787 --> 01:15:33.068
seventy is at least a little bit better.

01:15:33.087 --> 01:15:33.828
At least you're moving.

01:15:35.336 --> 01:15:35.636
Yeah,

01:15:36.177 --> 01:15:38.162
like the cars are geared also for

01:15:38.323 --> 01:15:39.545
fuel consumption at a hundred.

01:15:39.905 --> 01:15:42.932
So when you like wind them up, yeah,

01:15:42.972 --> 01:15:43.493
they like,

01:15:44.456 --> 01:15:46.260
they use a lot more fuel I've noticed.

01:15:47.957 --> 01:15:49.096
I think that's the same drag as well,

01:15:49.337 --> 01:15:49.557
isn't it?

01:15:49.917 --> 01:15:50.118
Right.

01:15:50.278 --> 01:15:52.358
Because the, here,

01:15:52.417 --> 01:15:55.019
the national speed limit, like if you,

01:15:55.498 --> 01:15:57.720
if you just have, there's like a, the,

01:15:57.739 --> 01:15:58.539
it works weirdly here.

01:15:58.579 --> 01:15:59.760
There's like a generic sign

01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:01.380
that just says in the

01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:03.240
absence of any other instructions,

01:16:04.140 --> 01:16:05.541
this road is national speed limit.

01:16:05.721 --> 01:16:06.902
National speed limit is sixty.

01:16:08.002 --> 01:16:09.203
and it's like the default

01:16:09.743 --> 01:16:10.663
and I think it's the same

01:16:10.904 --> 01:16:11.744
reason I think it's like

01:16:11.765 --> 01:16:12.666
fuel consumption because

01:16:12.725 --> 01:16:13.627
motorways are certainty

01:16:13.707 --> 01:16:15.228
right there motorways are

01:16:15.247 --> 01:16:16.189
highest b limit but like

01:16:16.229 --> 01:16:18.029
the default you're in the

01:16:18.069 --> 01:16:20.192
countryside it's not like a

01:16:20.252 --> 01:16:21.432
super windy road it's not

01:16:21.453 --> 01:16:22.654
like crazy dangerous

01:16:22.673 --> 01:16:23.375
there's nothing that's

01:16:23.414 --> 01:16:24.876
gonna just like come out

01:16:24.895 --> 01:16:27.518
yeah you know like it's not

01:16:27.537 --> 01:16:28.217
gonna be like you come

01:16:28.238 --> 01:16:29.099
around a corner and there's

01:16:29.118 --> 01:16:30.020
a fucking hairpin and

01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:31.440
you're just gonna cruise off it at

01:16:32.158 --> 01:16:33.560
you know into off a cliff or

01:16:33.579 --> 01:16:34.779
something like it would

01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:35.979
probably there is here one

01:16:36.020 --> 01:16:37.240
hundred percent you'll come

01:16:37.261 --> 01:16:40.301
across a random okay yeah

01:16:40.341 --> 01:16:42.462
there's what actually you

01:16:42.483 --> 01:16:43.563
know what to be fair there

01:16:43.603 --> 01:16:44.542
are some places in england

01:16:44.563 --> 01:16:46.163
that are rural so fucking

01:16:46.224 --> 01:16:47.725
rural that you can have a

01:16:47.784 --> 01:16:49.604
road that's a and there

01:16:49.625 --> 01:16:51.046
will just be a dead ass

01:16:51.765 --> 01:16:53.226
straight up right angle

01:16:53.266 --> 01:16:57.068
turn with no warning um

01:16:58.015 --> 01:16:59.497
Near where I grew up, there was actually,

01:16:59.556 --> 01:17:00.658
now I think about it,

01:17:00.677 --> 01:17:01.738
a specific place where you

01:17:01.759 --> 01:17:04.462
went over a little bridge by a church,

01:17:04.582 --> 01:17:06.302
and then there was just a

01:17:07.524 --> 01:17:08.564
full right-angle corner,

01:17:08.604 --> 01:17:09.706
like a ninety-degree turn.

01:17:10.466 --> 01:17:12.387
And that road was a sixty.

01:17:13.328 --> 01:17:14.989
And there was one slightly

01:17:15.050 --> 01:17:17.653
reflective thing stuck on

01:17:17.773 --> 01:17:20.074
this Middle Ages wall at

01:17:20.095 --> 01:17:20.975
the other end of the bridge.

01:17:21.194 --> 01:17:22.095
And if you didn't know about it,

01:17:22.115 --> 01:17:22.936
you'd just go fucking

01:17:22.997 --> 01:17:24.037
straight into that sixty.

01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:25.899
But then I guess it was also

01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:26.640
a humpback bridge.

01:17:26.661 --> 01:17:27.421
So if you'd gone over the

01:17:27.440 --> 01:17:28.362
humpback bridge at sixty,

01:17:28.381 --> 01:17:29.882
you'd have other problems anyway,

01:17:30.462 --> 01:17:31.663
because presumably you'd

01:17:31.703 --> 01:17:34.244
actually go into the air a little bit.

01:17:34.385 --> 01:17:36.126
Humpback bridge, like a, you know, pretty,

01:17:37.046 --> 01:17:37.287
you know,

01:17:37.327 --> 01:17:38.627
like a little like Billy Great's

01:17:38.667 --> 01:17:40.728
gruff type motherfucker where it's like.

01:17:40.747 --> 01:17:43.430
Jesus Christ.

01:17:43.449 --> 01:17:44.930
Well, yeah, it's like an old school.

01:17:45.291 --> 01:17:46.371
I can climb the ladder on

01:17:46.451 --> 01:17:47.332
one side of it or something.

01:17:48.055 --> 01:17:49.515
yeah like a really humpy

01:17:49.716 --> 01:17:50.976
like you know the kind of

01:17:50.997 --> 01:17:51.936
bridge that if you go over

01:17:51.957 --> 01:17:53.137
it on like a mountain bike

01:17:53.217 --> 01:17:54.417
you you do go into the air

01:17:54.457 --> 01:17:56.500
a little bit and then yeah

01:17:57.640 --> 01:17:59.421
yeah those bridges are ten

01:17:59.440 --> 01:18:00.322
a fucking penny in this

01:18:00.362 --> 01:18:01.761
country in the countryside

01:18:01.782 --> 01:18:03.243
man like over canals and

01:18:03.262 --> 01:18:05.123
things there's like a bunch

01:18:05.163 --> 01:18:06.425
near near me where you go

01:18:06.484 --> 01:18:07.284
over them and you go like

01:18:07.324 --> 01:18:09.225
properly up and then like

01:18:09.265 --> 01:18:10.087
properly down the other

01:18:10.106 --> 01:18:11.648
side because like you know

01:18:11.688 --> 01:18:12.747
like two bridges or are

01:18:12.768 --> 01:18:14.229
they road bridges like the

01:18:14.787 --> 01:18:15.768
Because I think about like two,

01:18:15.787 --> 01:18:16.609
three hundred years ago,

01:18:16.649 --> 01:18:18.212
if you had a canal that was

01:18:18.252 --> 01:18:21.595
like a freight canal, it's like, what,

01:18:21.655 --> 01:18:23.057
fifteen, twenty feet wide,

01:18:23.118 --> 01:18:23.859
thirty feet wide.

01:18:25.307 --> 01:18:27.189
know like a tiny ass rural

01:18:27.248 --> 01:18:29.010
bridge over a canal like

01:18:29.069 --> 01:18:29.710
they wouldn't have had

01:18:29.810 --> 01:18:32.171
steel spans back then so

01:18:32.190 --> 01:18:33.931
they just had to build more

01:18:34.212 --> 01:18:37.373
rock in a bigger hump so

01:18:37.394 --> 01:18:38.713
they just have to build up

01:18:38.833 --> 01:18:40.314
and then along like that's

01:18:40.375 --> 01:18:41.114
just it's just bigger

01:18:41.154 --> 01:18:42.796
chunks of rock right and

01:18:42.836 --> 01:18:43.676
what do they just not have

01:18:43.695 --> 01:18:44.457
approaches or anything

01:18:44.476 --> 01:18:47.257
they're just straight up you just could

01:18:48.412 --> 01:18:49.194
I mean saying like twenty

01:18:49.333 --> 01:18:50.095
twenty feet or something

01:18:50.114 --> 01:18:51.216
like these are not massive

01:18:51.275 --> 01:18:53.257
but like you know if you if

01:18:53.278 --> 01:18:54.458
you hoon it over that in a

01:18:54.519 --> 01:18:56.481
car with your mates you're

01:18:56.502 --> 01:18:58.203
gonna you're gonna fuck

01:18:58.222 --> 01:18:59.064
your suspension you're

01:19:00.064 --> 01:19:00.966
gonna do a little launchy

01:19:01.006 --> 01:19:01.546
launch into the

01:19:01.567 --> 01:19:03.668
stratosphere yeah yeah a

01:19:03.689 --> 01:19:04.909
hundred percent up there

01:19:04.930 --> 01:19:10.155
with elon so yeah forty hours an hour

01:19:10.873 --> 01:19:13.435
I went to a networking event

01:19:13.456 --> 01:19:16.518
last week and met a very

01:19:16.557 --> 01:19:22.462
particularly toxic guy who,

01:19:22.563 --> 01:19:24.484
I think I said this on the group chat.

01:19:27.817 --> 01:19:29.978
And you know,

01:19:29.997 --> 01:19:30.698
when you meet somebody that's

01:19:30.759 --> 01:19:34.399
so fucking strange, you're just like,

01:19:35.341 --> 01:19:36.161
I don't know, to be fair,

01:19:36.180 --> 01:19:36.921
these things happen.

01:19:37.021 --> 01:19:38.502
I've noticed that FinTech events,

01:19:38.662 --> 01:19:39.983
you seem to meet about one

01:19:40.143 --> 01:19:41.444
every single FinTech event.

01:19:41.564 --> 01:19:43.645
And the red flag is if

01:19:43.704 --> 01:19:46.145
somebody is at any kind of

01:19:46.185 --> 01:19:48.087
a FinTech event and they just say, oh,

01:19:48.367 --> 01:19:49.368
I am an investor.

01:19:49.507 --> 01:19:50.627
You're about to have a super

01:19:50.688 --> 01:19:51.788
toxic interaction.

01:19:54.659 --> 01:19:56.940
don't know why um but there

01:19:56.961 --> 01:19:57.981
were many people there who

01:19:58.021 --> 01:19:58.521
like run their own

01:19:58.561 --> 01:19:59.422
companies of some kind or

01:19:59.443 --> 01:20:01.363
another or like um working

01:20:01.384 --> 01:20:02.243
for startups or whatever

01:20:02.863 --> 01:20:04.045
and this guy was just like

01:20:04.145 --> 01:20:04.805
standing on the edge of the

01:20:04.824 --> 01:20:05.966
groups being like how much

01:20:05.985 --> 01:20:07.065
does your company make how

01:20:07.106 --> 01:20:07.987
much does your company make

01:20:08.266 --> 01:20:09.587
what's your revenue yeah

01:20:09.608 --> 01:20:10.568
yeah for real and this is

01:20:10.608 --> 01:20:12.029
like this is england right

01:20:12.048 --> 01:20:14.250
you don't say random shit

01:20:14.270 --> 01:20:17.131
like that and um yeah most

01:20:17.152 --> 01:20:18.452
people were so taken aback

01:20:18.471 --> 01:20:19.332
they were just like I don't

01:20:19.353 --> 01:20:20.894
know about this much euro

01:20:20.993 --> 01:20:22.554
ballpark and the guy was like yeah

01:20:23.694 --> 01:20:25.515
And then I was talking to

01:20:25.555 --> 01:20:26.895
this Ukrainian guy giving,

01:20:27.576 --> 01:20:28.596
they were a software consultancy.

01:20:28.657 --> 01:20:30.117
I was giving her a piece of advice about,

01:20:31.658 --> 01:20:32.497
I'd done some consultancy

01:20:32.518 --> 01:20:33.918
last year in a business

01:20:33.979 --> 01:20:35.359
that's like their target market.

01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:36.140
And I was just like, oh,

01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:37.319
here's like a thing,

01:20:37.420 --> 01:20:38.279
a product I know that they

01:20:38.300 --> 01:20:39.801
were tendering for and they

01:20:39.820 --> 01:20:40.720
were doing a merger and

01:20:40.801 --> 01:20:41.542
there's a lot of money

01:20:41.641 --> 01:20:42.601
potentially in like

01:20:42.681 --> 01:20:43.561
bringing that together in

01:20:43.582 --> 01:20:44.943
the situation that people are doing M&A.

01:20:45.023 --> 01:20:50.604
And this guy was like, this guy was like,

01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:52.980
what basis do you have to

01:20:53.001 --> 01:20:55.082
give that guy advice you

01:20:55.122 --> 01:20:55.983
don't even run a real

01:20:56.042 --> 01:21:03.148
company and um and I was

01:21:03.188 --> 01:21:04.288
like yeah I guess

01:21:04.309 --> 01:21:05.670
blockchain blockchain

01:21:05.710 --> 01:21:06.650
companies in some ways

01:21:06.730 --> 01:21:07.591
aren't real companies

01:21:07.610 --> 01:21:08.452
because we don't really own

01:21:08.492 --> 01:21:10.974
anything um we have very

01:21:11.014 --> 01:21:12.494
few staff you know we bring

01:21:12.534 --> 01:21:13.576
in people and we need them

01:21:14.275 --> 01:21:15.817
and uh it does operate

01:21:15.856 --> 01:21:16.738
really differently from any

01:21:16.778 --> 01:21:17.599
other company I've worked

01:21:17.658 --> 01:21:19.260
on and that seemed to piss him off more

01:21:21.694 --> 01:21:22.054
So, yeah,

01:21:22.094 --> 01:21:23.055
that was a funny thing that

01:21:23.074 --> 01:21:24.036
happened to me last week

01:21:24.115 --> 01:21:26.377
and inspired the name of this podcast.

01:21:26.797 --> 01:21:27.078
First of all,

01:21:27.497 --> 01:21:28.479
anybody who asks you that

01:21:28.498 --> 01:21:29.300
hasn't done shit.

01:21:30.421 --> 01:21:32.082
Well, also, I did point out,

01:21:32.742 --> 01:21:33.703
what I really said to him

01:21:33.722 --> 01:21:34.503
this airport was,

01:21:35.855 --> 01:21:37.016
If you have been listening

01:21:37.077 --> 01:21:40.099
to Game of Nodes, the Validator podcast,

01:21:40.158 --> 01:21:42.119
currently on episode one

01:21:42.140 --> 01:21:43.320
hundred and twenty seven,

01:21:43.780 --> 01:21:45.801
airing every Wednesday at

01:21:45.841 --> 01:21:46.943
twenty one hundred UTC,

01:21:47.262 --> 01:21:48.304
you would know that

01:21:48.363 --> 01:21:50.185
validators widely hold the

01:21:50.225 --> 01:21:51.746
belief that we work in a

01:21:51.786 --> 01:21:53.046
very silly industry and I'm

01:21:53.086 --> 01:21:54.988
not sure that we do run real companies.

01:21:55.368 --> 01:21:56.948
But thank you for your input,

01:21:57.149 --> 01:21:57.849
my young man.

01:21:58.009 --> 01:21:59.229
He was not a young man.

01:22:03.500 --> 01:22:04.180
I don't know about the...

01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:05.461
The definition of a real

01:22:05.480 --> 01:22:06.381
company is a weird thing to

01:22:06.402 --> 01:22:07.983
me because I think anything

01:22:08.023 --> 01:22:09.123
that makes you... I'm so

01:22:09.163 --> 01:22:10.204
here for... By the way, you said,

01:22:10.225 --> 01:22:10.984
but I'm so here for your

01:22:11.024 --> 01:22:11.985
take on this as well

01:22:12.046 --> 01:22:13.207
because I feel like you're

01:22:13.226 --> 01:22:14.186
the person who would be...

01:22:14.287 --> 01:22:16.429
If somebody did that to you in real life,

01:22:16.529 --> 01:22:16.929
I can't even...

01:22:18.010 --> 01:22:18.869
I don't I think they would

01:22:18.890 --> 01:22:20.110
be coming out of that that

01:22:20.171 --> 01:22:22.751
interaction in a body bag I

01:22:22.791 --> 01:22:24.511
think that's such a that's

01:22:24.532 --> 01:22:26.591
such a weird that's such a

01:22:26.652 --> 01:22:27.931
weird take on like trying

01:22:27.952 --> 01:22:29.853
to define what is valid and

01:22:29.893 --> 01:22:31.932
what is not like like I

01:22:31.953 --> 01:22:35.934
don't know anything

01:22:36.014 --> 01:22:38.435
anything that has anything that is is

01:22:39.326 --> 01:22:40.387
creating some sort of public

01:22:40.408 --> 01:22:42.230
good that actually makes money.

01:22:42.952 --> 01:22:44.092
Meaning like it brings

01:22:44.154 --> 01:22:45.615
profits in that pays both

01:22:45.695 --> 01:22:48.701
employees and partners and

01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:50.283
vendors that furthers the

01:22:50.342 --> 01:22:54.109
economy and can create positive cashflow.

01:22:55.206 --> 01:22:55.586
Um,

01:22:55.666 --> 01:22:57.426
is a business like those are real

01:22:57.467 --> 01:22:57.967
businesses.

01:22:58.408 --> 01:23:01.189
So honestly, I mean, you could,

01:23:01.250 --> 01:23:02.350
you could make the case that any,

01:23:02.510 --> 01:23:03.430
any organization that's

01:23:03.470 --> 01:23:04.851
just taking VC funding or

01:23:04.891 --> 01:23:06.233
after VC funding after VC

01:23:06.252 --> 01:23:07.453
funding that never produces

01:23:07.493 --> 01:23:09.814
a single dollar is far less

01:23:09.854 --> 01:23:13.136
of an organization than a,

01:23:13.237 --> 01:23:14.438
an organization that might

01:23:14.537 --> 01:23:16.198
be one or two people that

01:23:16.238 --> 01:23:17.578
has significant positive

01:23:17.599 --> 01:23:18.680
cashflow or even any

01:23:18.699 --> 01:23:20.881
positive cashflow that creates revenue,

01:23:21.322 --> 01:23:22.341
um, for themselves and for,

01:23:22.502 --> 01:23:23.203
and for their vendors.

01:23:23.786 --> 01:23:24.627
Like that's, that's such a,

01:23:24.747 --> 01:23:25.447
do you know what the

01:23:25.487 --> 01:23:29.130
definition of a business is in Australia?

01:23:29.689 --> 01:23:30.250
Say that one more time.

01:23:30.911 --> 01:23:32.192
The definition of a business

01:23:32.231 --> 01:23:35.953
in Australia is it's defined as, um,

01:23:37.215 --> 01:23:38.275
an entity with the

01:23:38.315 --> 01:23:39.796
intention of making profit.

01:23:41.177 --> 01:23:41.837
The intention.

01:23:42.179 --> 01:23:42.378
Yeah.

01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:42.538
Yeah.

01:23:43.230 --> 01:23:44.490
Did they look at validators

01:23:44.530 --> 01:23:47.372
when they came up with that one?

01:23:47.391 --> 01:23:48.011
The intention.

01:23:48.372 --> 01:23:48.811
At some point.

01:23:48.912 --> 01:23:51.313
Coming up on your fifth straight loss.

01:23:52.832 --> 01:23:54.193
We all have a very strong

01:23:54.393 --> 01:23:55.713
intention to make money off

01:23:55.734 --> 01:23:57.793
of these shit coins, but sometimes,

01:23:57.814 --> 01:23:59.274
you know, it's not in your power.

01:23:59.654 --> 01:24:00.494
I said profit a lot,

01:24:00.515 --> 01:24:02.015
but it doesn't have to be profitability.

01:24:02.494 --> 01:24:03.715
It's really not loss.

01:24:03.994 --> 01:24:04.836
There's plenty of

01:24:05.336 --> 01:24:07.615
non-profits that have to

01:24:07.655 --> 01:24:08.775
spend everything on the

01:24:08.796 --> 01:24:09.817
balance sheet or everything

01:24:10.056 --> 01:24:10.636
on the P&L to be able to

01:24:12.170 --> 01:24:12.649
that can't show

01:24:12.689 --> 01:24:13.630
profitability that's that's

01:24:13.649 --> 01:24:14.530
still business like it

01:24:14.591 --> 01:24:16.990
works um but that that's

01:24:17.030 --> 01:24:18.511
such a god damn I would I

01:24:18.532 --> 01:24:19.091
wish I was in that

01:24:19.131 --> 01:24:20.152
situation where was that

01:24:20.192 --> 01:24:20.792
can I go next year I

01:24:23.292 --> 01:24:24.132
honestly I thought it was

01:24:24.172 --> 01:24:27.194
so I I found it so weird

01:24:27.314 --> 01:24:28.694
and found it so kind of

01:24:29.154 --> 01:24:30.914
funny at the time that I didn't

01:24:31.663 --> 01:24:32.524
it was like you know when

01:24:32.545 --> 01:24:34.265
you have you ever been like

01:24:34.506 --> 01:24:37.948
um stabbed like usually by

01:24:37.967 --> 01:24:39.168
yourself right by accident

01:24:39.748 --> 01:24:41.010
you know when you do you

01:24:41.130 --> 01:24:42.329
accidentally knife yourself

01:24:43.190 --> 01:24:44.431
um like this isn't getting

01:24:44.492 --> 01:24:46.792
any better literally you

01:24:46.932 --> 01:24:47.654
know like you're doing some

01:24:47.673 --> 01:24:48.594
diy in the house or

01:24:48.613 --> 01:24:49.515
something this might be a

01:24:49.534 --> 01:24:51.256
good time to ask you are you okay

01:24:53.237 --> 01:24:54.756
but like you've you probably

01:24:54.778 --> 01:24:56.018
put a nail into your thumb

01:24:56.198 --> 01:24:57.359
at some point something

01:24:57.378 --> 01:24:58.899
like that sure right so you

01:24:58.920 --> 01:24:59.800
don't actually realize

01:24:59.819 --> 01:25:00.820
you've done it initially

01:25:01.041 --> 01:25:02.042
you have that kind of like

01:25:02.181 --> 01:25:03.042
you go huh and you have

01:25:03.061 --> 01:25:04.283
like that numb feeling

01:25:04.462 --> 01:25:05.724
right then you realize a

01:25:05.764 --> 01:25:06.524
few seconds later you're

01:25:06.543 --> 01:25:07.664
like oh bollocks and then

01:25:07.685 --> 01:25:09.265
the pain comes right I feel

01:25:09.286 --> 01:25:10.246
like this was one of those

01:25:10.286 --> 01:25:12.247
like um because it's like I

01:25:12.268 --> 01:25:13.087
kind of laughed it off it's

01:25:13.108 --> 01:25:14.448
like that was weird and

01:25:14.469 --> 01:25:15.630
then I was like I left this

01:25:15.649 --> 01:25:16.369
event I was walking down

01:25:16.390 --> 01:25:17.291
the street afterwards and

01:25:17.310 --> 01:25:18.211
it was almost like I was

01:25:18.230 --> 01:25:19.631
just like wait what the

01:25:19.671 --> 01:25:20.912
fuck is a real company

01:25:21.712 --> 01:25:23.134
wait, what the fuck are we doing?

01:25:23.774 --> 01:25:24.274
And I was like,

01:25:24.595 --> 01:25:25.496
we have talked about this

01:25:25.515 --> 01:25:26.596
on the podcast before.

01:25:27.457 --> 01:25:28.037
And it was like,

01:25:28.417 --> 01:25:29.838
that's what I mean about getting stabbed.

01:25:29.939 --> 01:25:31.039
It was almost like at the

01:25:31.060 --> 01:25:32.381
time you're like weird.

01:25:32.902 --> 01:25:34.103
And then like later in the day,

01:25:34.162 --> 01:25:34.722
you're like,

01:25:35.944 --> 01:25:36.845
I wouldn't say having a full

01:25:36.885 --> 01:25:38.086
blown existential crisis

01:25:38.145 --> 01:25:38.985
because I actually just

01:25:39.145 --> 01:25:40.327
don't care enough about

01:25:40.386 --> 01:25:41.747
anything really to get that

01:25:42.029 --> 01:25:43.149
crisis about anything.

01:25:43.168 --> 01:25:44.489
I'm just, I'm just fine.

01:25:44.970 --> 01:25:45.931
I'm just too deep in the

01:25:46.011 --> 01:25:47.733
don't give a shit to, to really,

01:25:47.993 --> 01:25:48.993
to really be bothered.

01:25:49.033 --> 01:25:50.194
But I was just like,

01:25:51.587 --> 01:25:53.529
I was sat on the train thinking, yeah,

01:25:53.569 --> 01:25:55.470
but what is a real company, man?

01:25:56.291 --> 01:25:57.992
That guy's really rocked my world.

01:25:58.832 --> 01:25:59.694
Especially in this industry,

01:25:59.753 --> 01:26:01.175
I think people celebrate...

01:26:02.438 --> 01:26:04.019
like VC fundings, like round day.

01:26:04.099 --> 01:26:04.259
Okay.

01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:05.020
There's a seed round.

01:26:05.180 --> 01:26:05.859
Okay.

01:26:06.020 --> 01:26:06.740
There's a round day.

01:26:06.881 --> 01:26:07.140
Okay.

01:26:07.720 --> 01:26:09.282
And they celebrate round B

01:26:09.442 --> 01:26:10.863
and they celebrate round C

01:26:10.962 --> 01:26:13.784
and they celebrate round D unless,

01:26:14.324 --> 01:26:15.305
unless there's a

01:26:15.525 --> 01:26:17.806
significant amount of

01:26:18.287 --> 01:26:20.467
growth that's occurring and you're,

01:26:20.889 --> 01:26:22.029
and you're using that in a

01:26:22.069 --> 01:26:24.150
way to be able to have huge

01:26:24.190 --> 01:26:26.032
amounts of taking over

01:26:26.171 --> 01:26:28.092
other industries or being able to do, um,

01:26:28.592 --> 01:26:29.634
acquisitions or you're able

01:26:29.694 --> 01:26:30.935
to be able to you're doing

01:26:30.975 --> 01:26:31.935
something that has a huge

01:26:32.235 --> 01:26:33.117
aspect of market share

01:26:33.858 --> 01:26:35.139
usually those rounds are

01:26:35.219 --> 01:26:37.261
not a positive thing like

01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:38.561
it that means like if

01:26:38.582 --> 01:26:39.582
you're if you're two years

01:26:39.622 --> 01:26:40.363
into a business or three

01:26:40.382 --> 01:26:41.123
years into a business and

01:26:41.144 --> 01:26:42.164
you're unable to show that

01:26:42.244 --> 01:26:43.405
I can even make enough

01:26:43.426 --> 01:26:44.126
money to build a covered

01:26:44.167 --> 01:26:45.027
cost and I'm still

01:26:45.067 --> 01:26:46.188
continuing to raise and I'm

01:26:46.689 --> 01:26:47.770
I'm slamming this balance

01:26:47.789 --> 01:26:48.710
sheet I'm slamming the

01:26:49.587 --> 01:26:51.849
the cap table down and I'm, you know,

01:26:52.029 --> 01:26:52.929
I'm increasingly,

01:26:53.009 --> 01:26:54.090
and right now validations

01:26:54.109 --> 01:26:54.689
are all over the place.

01:26:54.710 --> 01:26:56.190
So even those weird thing is

01:26:56.211 --> 01:26:56.930
like you can raise two

01:26:56.951 --> 01:26:58.230
hundred million and they say, hey,

01:26:58.251 --> 01:26:59.271
we're worth four billion.

01:26:59.532 --> 01:27:00.051
No, you're not.

01:27:00.471 --> 01:27:01.872
But whatever you raise at that amount,

01:27:01.912 --> 01:27:02.613
which means you're only

01:27:02.653 --> 01:27:03.552
taking a small amount of

01:27:03.573 --> 01:27:04.474
percentage in for that.

01:27:05.755 --> 01:27:07.497
which is really on the VCs, honestly,

01:27:07.716 --> 01:27:08.157
and other types of

01:27:08.197 --> 01:27:09.177
organizations that are

01:27:09.238 --> 01:27:10.500
buying in at that valuation

01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:11.421
because they're worried

01:27:11.440 --> 01:27:12.060
about missing out.

01:27:13.042 --> 01:27:14.283
But that FOMO type of thing

01:27:14.323 --> 01:27:17.067
creates unrealistic types of valuations,

01:27:17.087 --> 01:27:18.427
and it creates these situations that,

01:27:18.948 --> 01:27:19.408
honestly,

01:27:19.548 --> 01:27:22.192
I think are just creating dead companies.

01:27:22.391 --> 01:27:24.314
They're creating dead companies.

01:27:24.333 --> 01:27:25.454
So you never build out of it.

01:27:25.735 --> 01:27:27.698
The zombie company thing is like a very...

01:27:28.078 --> 01:27:29.659
real thing that is like

01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:30.400
you're building a company

01:27:30.440 --> 01:27:31.582
that will never grow out of

01:27:31.622 --> 01:27:33.005
it meaning like you're just

01:27:33.405 --> 01:27:34.266
you're just dependent on

01:27:34.287 --> 01:27:36.270
the injections you're just

01:27:36.310 --> 01:27:37.251
pushing down the inevitable

01:27:37.291 --> 01:27:39.154
which is hey we're making

01:27:39.354 --> 01:27:40.676
we're making whatever we're

01:27:40.695 --> 01:27:41.417
making a hundred thousand

01:27:41.436 --> 01:27:41.938
or two hundred thousand

01:27:41.957 --> 01:27:42.698
dollars a month or we're

01:27:42.738 --> 01:27:44.041
making a million dollars a month

01:27:44.681 --> 01:27:46.042
Or we're making ten million

01:27:46.063 --> 01:27:46.483
dollars a month.

01:27:46.682 --> 01:27:47.403
But you have a four point

01:27:47.443 --> 01:27:48.564
four billion dollar valuation,

01:27:48.604 --> 01:27:51.145
which means that like your

01:27:51.185 --> 01:27:52.845
PE can't be a thousand.

01:27:52.905 --> 01:27:53.626
Like you have to have a

01:27:53.645 --> 01:27:54.525
realistic number that's

01:27:54.546 --> 01:27:55.306
growing and that you have

01:27:55.327 --> 01:27:56.127
to show that growth.

01:27:56.186 --> 01:27:57.627
Like there has to be real use here.

01:27:58.068 --> 01:27:59.668
So what I did, what I did,

01:28:00.609 --> 01:28:01.869
what I did realize from.

01:28:03.069 --> 01:28:04.751
that situation was like when

01:28:04.770 --> 01:28:06.332
you're like really specific

01:28:06.351 --> 01:28:07.752
I don't know why this is

01:28:07.832 --> 01:28:10.534
really basic sorry um and I

01:28:10.574 --> 01:28:11.454
realize everybody's already

01:28:11.494 --> 01:28:13.355
worked this out but it for

01:28:13.376 --> 01:28:14.417
whatever reason didn't land

01:28:14.436 --> 01:28:16.018
in my head until this event

01:28:16.518 --> 01:28:17.298
where I was just thinking

01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:18.179
like because you kind of

01:28:18.338 --> 01:28:19.180
you go to a networking

01:28:19.220 --> 01:28:20.420
event in city of london

01:28:20.539 --> 01:28:23.601
like it's um fintech stuff

01:28:23.641 --> 01:28:24.382
right it's kind of like

01:28:24.422 --> 01:28:25.403
speed dating for finding

01:28:25.462 --> 01:28:26.524
out what's what's happening

01:28:26.583 --> 01:28:27.845
in fintech right because a

01:28:27.885 --> 01:28:28.664
lot of the people there are

01:28:28.685 --> 01:28:31.106
founders or incumbents right and

01:28:31.787 --> 01:28:33.087
what I realized was that the

01:28:33.167 --> 01:28:35.390
vcs really do need you more

01:28:35.409 --> 01:28:36.530
than you need them in a

01:28:36.570 --> 01:28:38.032
really important way if

01:28:38.072 --> 01:28:38.993
you're like a technical

01:28:39.033 --> 01:28:40.354
founder or you're you're

01:28:40.634 --> 01:28:41.835
that kind of personality

01:28:41.854 --> 01:28:43.777
type right because the

01:28:43.837 --> 01:28:45.358
number of good projects is

01:28:45.578 --> 01:28:46.960
fucking tiny like number of

01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:48.520
projects which is like ai

01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:50.061
blah and you're like who

01:28:50.082 --> 01:28:52.003
gives a fuck and the number

01:28:52.024 --> 01:28:54.104
of like good to be fair

01:28:54.125 --> 01:28:55.105
actually I met some very

01:28:55.126 --> 01:28:56.186
interesting people um

01:28:56.306 --> 01:28:57.467
actually apart from toxic

01:28:57.528 --> 01:29:00.451
uh guy who was weird but um

01:29:02.152 --> 01:29:03.113
you do meet some good people

01:29:03.172 --> 01:29:04.613
and you're like, okay, so good founders,

01:29:04.753 --> 01:29:05.094
rare.

01:29:05.554 --> 01:29:07.835
Good project, really fucking rare.

01:29:07.875 --> 01:29:09.155
The combination of the two, you're like,

01:29:10.256 --> 01:29:10.817
fuck, man.

01:29:12.077 --> 01:29:13.297
The pie is tiny.

01:29:13.337 --> 01:29:14.479
No wonder these guys are

01:29:14.779 --> 01:29:16.600
FOMOing the shit out of the market.

01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:17.020
Exactly.

01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:18.360
And there's so much fucking

01:29:18.400 --> 01:29:20.381
money available that the

01:29:20.462 --> 01:29:22.643
issue is that those VCs are

01:29:22.802 --> 01:29:24.224
fighting for a spot in that.

01:29:25.204 --> 01:29:26.444
And so the valuations go up

01:29:26.484 --> 01:29:28.586
because those companies

01:29:28.605 --> 01:29:29.686
have the ability to

01:29:29.987 --> 01:29:30.988
even shitty companies,

01:29:31.047 --> 01:29:33.069
but even the really good ones that are,

01:29:33.189 --> 01:29:35.090
well have an option to do

01:29:35.109 --> 01:29:36.069
whatever the fuck they want.

01:29:36.511 --> 01:29:36.690
Right.

01:29:36.770 --> 01:29:38.032
And so then you're setting

01:29:38.072 --> 01:29:38.952
precedent in terms of that.

01:29:39.171 --> 01:29:40.573
Like it's just a self

01:29:40.872 --> 01:29:42.014
fulfilling type of thing.

01:29:42.113 --> 01:29:42.333
Right.

01:29:43.154 --> 01:29:45.176
But the real question is like, is,

01:29:45.275 --> 01:29:46.496
is any of that going to pay off?

01:29:46.555 --> 01:29:47.817
And so I, and you're right,

01:29:47.837 --> 01:29:49.597
the VCs do like, they have an op,

01:29:49.618 --> 01:29:50.838
they have a absolute

01:29:51.038 --> 01:29:51.958
responsibility to their,

01:29:52.139 --> 01:29:53.140
to their shareholders and

01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:54.039
to the individuals who have

01:29:54.060 --> 01:29:55.020
put money into those funds

01:29:55.381 --> 01:29:56.362
to have a return.

01:29:56.881 --> 01:29:57.681
They absolutely do.

01:29:57.802 --> 01:29:58.563
So it's,

01:29:58.944 --> 01:30:00.087
When the Aptos thing happens

01:30:00.127 --> 01:30:00.810
or those types of...