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um so yeah the uh the studio

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is still not really you

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know put together at all

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like there's just junk

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behind me from boxes that I

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needed to try and find

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stuff to set up the

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workspace and then but uh

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you know gonna go for a

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vibe more like the serp

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over there with some photos

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and on the wall maybe get some ai out

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Maybe some, you know,

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throw glitter bombs at the

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wall or something.

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No NFTs?

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NFTs?

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Were there any Juno NFTs I

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could put up there?

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I can't remember how that

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all – were there NFTs

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associated with that?

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I mean, why would you put up a Juno NFT?

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You know, I feel like it would be fun,

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like the fucking Juno, you know,

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that big kerfuffle that was on Prop 16.

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Yeah, baby.

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Yeah.

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Ha ha ha.

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Hello, welcome to Game of Nodes,

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a weekly podcast from

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independent validated teams

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where we have absolutely no

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technical issues whatsoever.

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I have no idea what happened there.

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The intro just went into the

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dark dimension.

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I think we both pressed it

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at the same time.

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I think that's exactly what happened.

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I was so surprised.

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I went to take a drink from

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my cup of tea and I lifted up this,

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which is a paint pot.

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I don't know if you can see that.

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And it is full of, I think...

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magenta ink and at the very

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last second I thought am I

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certain that I am about to

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drink a lovely cup of tea

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and so I checked and I was

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not which means my

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evening's going great how

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are you fellas well you

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stopped yourself so it's

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not too bad yeah that's

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what I mean I'm

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unironically saying great I

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didn't I didn't drink the

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poison you didn't even go through with it

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Yeah, it's not oil.

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You know, I just realized it's acrylic.

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It's not oil.

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So it's not even toxic.

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Oh, but fine.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So, yeah, I mean,

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I'm just realizing regrets at the moment,

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potential regrets.

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It's the middle of winter

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and it is hot in this office.

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So it's also 7 a.m.

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and hot in this office.

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That means summer could be quite hot.

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In Brisbane, apparently.

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Do you have AC on?

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No, no, I don't have the AC on.

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No, no, no.

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I have the window open.

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It's quite humid because

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it's been raining for like three days.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, I don't know.

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It is winter and I am in a t-shirt.

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So,

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and I haven't really had any call to

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get out a jumper yet since we got here.

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In the middle of winter.

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That's what your life is like now.

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Exactly.

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Sorry, I missed.

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I was reading what Rama said.

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He said, we're going to shit.

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Everything's good.

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He's up six.

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He hasn't been paid because

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we've got no money.

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I like the criticism coming

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along because as we know,

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what's happened recently is

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I finally get six hours of sleep a night.

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So my life is just like up and up.

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I remember what sleep is.

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I've been going to business meetings,

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right?

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Yeah.

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I was about to say talking like a human,

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and then I realized that I

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was going to immediately

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get sledged by Null for

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even suggesting that I can do that.

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But,

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at least not sounding like a complete

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fucking moron, it has been great.

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I even went to a fucking

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crypto conference the other week, which,

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you know.

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That's your fucking reward?

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Is this the one where there

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was children and kids?

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I went to a crypto conference last week.

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Yeah, and then it turns out, well, I mean,

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whatever.

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Actually,

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you don't need any social skills

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to be at a crypto conference.

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It is what it is.

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Anyway,

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social skills are required for

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trying to maintain and build a business.

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Crypto is a different world.

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So, yeah.

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Yeah.

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There's a sharp inhale of breath,

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like you were going to jump

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in and say something.

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uh serp or me uh no I was

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just I'm trying to pay a

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bill um for some servers

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fuck these places that like

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do you do you guys have any

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server providers that like

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don't have automatic

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payments yes and then they

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send you a fucking invoice

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every month and you have to

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go and log into their shit and pay it

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uh we have uh our aws bill

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is on a invoiced turn auto

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pay off for that did you

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yes for obvious reasons

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that's maybe a good one to

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not have auto pay yeah we

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get a projected we get a

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projection and then we get a bill um

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And we did have that for OVH,

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but then we switched over to AutoPay.

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Although we've just had a

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whole thing recently where

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because we ordered some

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specific spec servers for

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one of the high-performance testnets,

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they then couldn't deliver

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the exact box of

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Um, in the exact data center,

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because somebody else had

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got there and got it first

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and they only had a certain

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number in inventory of this

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really specific spec.

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So they got like literally

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pretty much the same thing, but like,

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instead of being server 9,240,

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it was like 9,870, like, you know,

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some different box was

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pointed to by the invoice.

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So they had to reissue this

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invoice and then it turned

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out they'd also screwed up

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the cost a little bit and

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it should have been slightly different.

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So then they refunded a,

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they issued us a credit

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note saying that you don't

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have to pay the full amount.

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You pay the original amount

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minus the credit note.

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Cause I think there may be

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had already issued a request for payment.

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And then they issued that one twice.

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this was all like a while ago.

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So we just like paid it at

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the time when forgot about it.

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And then it's,

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we've just had been doing

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like end of quarter

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accounts for like two ago

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or something like that.

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And there's just this,

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like this question comes through,

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like you had two invoices,

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two credit notes,

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and then a final

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consolidation note all in one day.

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What the fuck?

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And you're like, uh, yeah,

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I guess our server provider

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just had like a fit or

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something like whatever, man.

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yeah so after that we turned

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auto billing on just let it

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go pain in the butt yeah it

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was just like dude let it

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ride baby let it ride yeah

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if you're spending an hour

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like trying to work out an

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itemized bill for like

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these are the hard drives

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you've ordered these are

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the blah blah blah you've

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ordered trying to work out

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what the difference is

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between the one list and

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the second list and the

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credit note you're like

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this is already wasted too

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much of my time are you

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going to name and shame the provider or

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No,

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because we still use them and they

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actually are quite good.

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And you think they watch

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this fucking podcast?

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No, obviously they don't.

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But I think the point is

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that just sledging a

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provider of yours when 99%

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of the time they do a great job,

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especially over something

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as boring as invoicing.

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They screw up an invoice,

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it's a bit annoying,

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but it's no skin off my nose.

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Well, listen up, providers.

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To the assholes that don't

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have fucking automatic billing, get it.

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Thank you.

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Are you going to name any names now?

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You know who you are.

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Right,

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so you're not prepared to name and

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shame either,

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so you can understand my hesitancy too.

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It was very hard to find

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this bespoke provider.

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Yeah, okay.

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What do you use for them?

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We're talking about the same one, right?

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You and I use the same one?

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Yeah,

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there's a couple that don't have auto.

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I'm getting rid of them.

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Well, their hard drives are bad as well.

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I don't know if you monitor

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the hard drives,

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but I thrashed them after three months.

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They're dead.

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So DED dead baby.

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but they still work they're

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up to like 150 percent wear

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level yeah I do I do I

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think I i think I don't

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know if it's with them or

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not but I do have a couple

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they're like 255 percent

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wear level or something

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like that as long as they

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keep going although they

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although they just they

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just actually replaced some

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drives for me too so it

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wasn't a big deal did they

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yeah oh wait is it them or

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somebody else it might have

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been somebody else I don't

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remember who the fuck I was

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talking to so they're

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they're the only one other than um

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What's that really bad fucking provider?

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Contabo.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They're the only ones other

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than Contabo that I've seen

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use consumer drives.

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It's pretty annoying.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Everyone else is like enterprise drives.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like enterprise drives fucking, you know,

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one drive right per day.

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You're not killing those drives.

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That is a lot of drive, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah,

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we've been mostly pretty lucky with

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that shit.

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Except our own stuff.

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I don't know, whatever.

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Maybe it's... One of the DCs

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we're in is a little bit warm, but boy,

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we burned through them there too.

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So that's annoying.

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Hard drives?

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NVAs, yeah.

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Are they like,

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they're enterprise NVAs or

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are they... They are.

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They are.

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you're burning through them

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yeah they just go a little

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bit faster than I mean they

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last a couple of years oh

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yeah two and a half years

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something like that which

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for us yeah you definitely

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like if you shell out for a

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drive you really notice the

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difference like yeah

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between quality yeah yeah

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then if you know you look

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at the price of some of

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these things and you go

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jesus that's ridiculous but

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then like you use it and you're like huh

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Oh, it's good.

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It's fast and it doesn't die.

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Overpaying for shit that

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doesn't break is like the

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story of my whole life.

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Yeah.

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So we don't have any news this week, boys.

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Yeah, I know.

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And we also don't have Shortsy.

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He's in the phase right now

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where I think last year you

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guys were sladging me for still using...

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think we were still on

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kubernetes for some stuff

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on aws right like the big

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big bills big bills were

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coming in and then um we've

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uh we've obviously been

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seeing how schultzy's been

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doing the last week or so

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and I'm like I remember why

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why we were happy to pay for

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the absolutely will not go

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down under any

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circumstances version of

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the hardware for a couple

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of months there because I

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couldn't form a sentence.

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It seems like the maximum

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sleep you get is like 60

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minutes and then they're up

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and screaming again.

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It's like, oh yeah, that's totally normal.

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That is literally...

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's not going to improve.

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That's not, the baby's not abnormal.

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That's just what all babies do.

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This is your life now.

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Uh, yeah, I think, uh,

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I think Schulte is deep in that, uh,

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period.

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month one, something like that.

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Yeah.

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I don't know, four or five weeks in,

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like... It's feeling the pain.

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Yeah.

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The first six weeks is just

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getting your head kicked in

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every single day.

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It's just staying alive.

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Yeah.

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It really is.

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It's just, like,

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whatever has to be done to

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keep everybody sane and...

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sleeping as much as possible

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and fed and like you know

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like keeping sanity because

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those are really rough I

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mean joke about them but

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like people go through a

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lot of shit in those weeks

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so yeah I i genuinely after

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we got through them I was

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like I i literally do not

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understand why people are

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allowed to go like like I

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know that I get that like

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every some places are just

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like you don't get a pat

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leave or whatever and yeah

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because blah blah blah blah

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it costs the business money

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or whatever and it's just like literally

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i did no work that wasn't

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pure survival in those

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first six weeks like I

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think we had an apto stress

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net like a high performance

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network thing and then a

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whole bunch of shit like

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came up which was

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unfortunate because it was

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not at my best but like

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yeah fuck if I was like if

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I was employing somebody I

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would just be like dude

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just fucking take six weeks

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off because the last thing

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The last thing I need is

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you're breaking something

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because you're literally

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too tired to function.

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Just go.

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When the baby stops, like,

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starts sleeping for more than, like,

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60 minutes at a time or whatever,

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then come back to work, right?

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You're probably not even

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safe to fucking drive a car at this point,

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so there's no point you coming to work.

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Well, I don't know.

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Yeah, probably.

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It's probably fine.

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Well, I don't know.

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I just remember being, just being like,

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you know, when you have,

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have you ever had extreme insomnia?

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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When, you know, when it's like,

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it's like that, you know,

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the thing in fight club

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where it's just like,

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everything is a copy of a copy of a copy.

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Everything's like in really

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low resolution.

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That's just like,

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it felt like that at the time.

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And it obviously feels like

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that in hindsight,

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but like at the time it was just like,

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what is going on?

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Um,

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It's a hell of a trip, but hey.

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Yep.

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So Schultz is in it.

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Maybe we'll see him next week.

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And then somebody else might

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disappear for three or four weeks.

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See what happens.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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we've booked a date for the revealing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah,

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I'm probably going to be dead for

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quite a while,

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just as Shieldsea and the fray has been.

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Looking forward to it.

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I should note that I only took, I think,

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one week off the podo

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because it literally was the birth.

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I didn't take any weeks off the podo.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I had seven days off, I think,

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and then strained after a stress nap.

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We were still...

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I went back to work before

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my other half could even

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get down the stairs after the operation.

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So it was like doing

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everything I could and then just like,

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also did try to do

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everything around that.

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It was, it was hilarious.

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I was like,

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it was like a cartoon of a guy

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with plates and baby and laptop.

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It'll be good.

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The good news is it all

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happens in real time.

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Everything is at one-to-one speed.

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Being either sleeping or not sleeping,

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you just kind of go with it.

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If you didn't like sleep

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before in your life,

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there's a reason all

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parents talk about sleep.

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It's because you get a very,

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very newfound appreciation

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for not being awake.

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Everyone I've talked to now is like,

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Get in some good sleep-ins now.

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Embrace the freedoms of sleep.

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You are not going to have a

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lie-in ever again until, I don't know,

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maybe usurped?

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Do you get lie-ins when

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they're a bit older?

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Oh, yeah.

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At some point, you will get lie-ins again.

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As soon as they're up on their own,

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they know how to grab

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breakfast or grab something

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to eat or turn a TV on or do something,

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you're fine.

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Like 5'6"?

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4'5"?

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four or five.

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Yeah.

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So five years time,

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you get five years or

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they're coming upstairs.

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Yeah.

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Five.

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Yeah.

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Five.

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They're doing their own thing.

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Yeah.

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For the most part.

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Now, at least now my kids are sleeping in,

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like they sleep in, like they sleep in,

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sleep in,

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like they'll sleep until 10 or something,

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which is if we don't wake them up,

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which is great.

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At what age can they start

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to like use Linux?

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Yeah.

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straight out of the womb man

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straight out of the way

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keyboard here's your ledger

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uh you know you got the

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night why would you do that

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why would you give him a

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lecture why would you ruin

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linux by giving them a

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ledger you gotta you gotta

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give him the uh yeah

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exactly here's your here's

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your upgrade schedule yeah

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exactly the keys keys of

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the kingdom okay shit coins

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they're going to earn you

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no money and be a constant

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burden to your mental

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well-being if you need a snapshot

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If you need a snapshot, you can... Yeah.

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All right.

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I got to step out, unfortunately.

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Oh, will you be back or is this it?

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That's the question.

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Dad's going out for cigarettes.

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Going out for cigarettes.

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Once again.

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So there's some...

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What the hell did he just do

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before he left?

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That was weird.

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There's been some greed.

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I mean, I don't want to do price checks.

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It's kind of, whoa, what the fuck?

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Don't do that.

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There we go.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, prices are pretty wrecked.

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They are,

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but they are sort of edging

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upward again after, you know,

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the massively not edging downward.

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Yeah, but that's what it does.

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There's a big hole and then

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it edges back up a little

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bit and then it's like the

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slow death down until

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something happens for it to go up a lot.

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So we're in the slow death at the moment.

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You can see it's tracking

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sideways but down.

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Yeah, but, you know,

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that was always going to be

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the case until there were new yeast cases,

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which there are not yet.

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We're still waiting for that catalyst.

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Yeah.

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We are sitting around on the

00:19:01.093 --> 00:19:03.233
deck couches just waiting

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for the catalyst.

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Which, you know, I mean,

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maybe it has something to

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do with the election in the US.

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Probably inflation needs to

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change as well.

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Like...

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People need more disposable

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income before they... I mean,

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at the end of the day,

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for a lot of people,

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crypto is more about being

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an unregulated casino than

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it is like... Well, no, that's not fair.

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There are two... There's the Rama thesis,

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right?

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And then there's the

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unregulated casino thesis.

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So number one is that

00:19:50.491 --> 00:19:52.492
It's basically an unregulated casino.

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People want to do it for

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long bets to make a bit of

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money and whatever.

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And they're only going to do

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that when they have the

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money to spend because it's

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more of a luxury than it is

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like a gambling addiction or whatever.

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Although I'm sure there

00:20:08.321 --> 00:20:09.001
probably are some people

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addicted to the rush of

00:20:10.123 --> 00:20:12.865
trying to trade shit coins, right?

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But then there's the other group,

00:20:15.326 --> 00:20:16.507
which is the Rama thesis,

00:20:16.547 --> 00:20:18.327
which is that people just want to

00:20:19.249 --> 00:20:19.808
have fun,

00:20:20.089 --> 00:20:21.891
forget about their day job and

00:20:21.931 --> 00:20:23.332
just dabble a bit in some

00:20:23.491 --> 00:20:24.873
random cool shit.

00:20:25.973 --> 00:20:28.675
And the Rama thesis again

00:20:28.776 --> 00:20:29.816
relies on people having a

00:20:29.855 --> 00:20:30.957
bit of disposable money to

00:20:30.977 --> 00:20:34.680
throw into the mixer in the first place,

00:20:34.740 --> 00:20:34.920
right?

00:20:36.758 --> 00:20:38.239
so I think both of those are

00:20:38.439 --> 00:20:39.900
very reliant on the the

00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:41.961
state of the the irl

00:20:42.001 --> 00:20:43.682
economy and where we are

00:20:43.742 --> 00:20:46.065
currently is very very very

00:20:46.125 --> 00:20:48.507
not conducive to that so

00:20:48.527 --> 00:20:50.588
and that's on top of that

00:20:50.608 --> 00:20:53.230
being like kind of a no new

00:20:53.371 --> 00:20:54.431
ideas in crypto at the

00:20:54.471 --> 00:20:58.493
moment it feels like yeah I

00:20:58.555 --> 00:21:01.777
think uh we're at the

00:21:03.398 --> 00:21:06.681
There are some new things on the horizon.

00:21:06.780 --> 00:21:09.242
I probably said before,

00:21:09.303 --> 00:21:10.943
I think the most exciting

00:21:10.983 --> 00:21:12.724
thing for me at the moment

00:21:13.525 --> 00:21:15.105
is going to be the chain

00:21:15.145 --> 00:21:17.186
abstraction and account abstraction.

00:21:17.227 --> 00:21:19.127
I think that's important as

00:21:19.167 --> 00:21:25.692
a way to penetrate the normal society,

00:21:25.731 --> 00:21:28.373
the non-tech people of the

00:21:28.413 --> 00:21:29.294
world into crypto.

00:21:29.374 --> 00:21:29.473
Okay.

00:21:30.843 --> 00:21:31.824
uh but other than that yeah

00:21:31.844 --> 00:21:32.904
I mean there's like bitcoin

00:21:32.924 --> 00:21:33.805
staking I've heard people

00:21:33.845 --> 00:21:36.406
talking about um but I mean

00:21:36.446 --> 00:21:37.708
again account abstractions

00:21:37.748 --> 00:21:39.328
like you still need

00:21:39.429 --> 00:21:41.010
something to do with that

00:21:41.050 --> 00:21:45.473
account yeah but I mean it

00:21:46.416 --> 00:21:47.817
opens the door for like

00:21:47.837 --> 00:21:49.960
normies to the uh for the

00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:52.281
for the blockchain casino

00:21:52.301 --> 00:21:56.325
right yeah so but it only

00:21:56.365 --> 00:21:58.886
works on it it works mainly

00:21:58.946 --> 00:22:00.587
to add liquidity to the

00:22:00.627 --> 00:22:02.890
blockchain casino I think

00:22:02.930 --> 00:22:04.330
it does smooth the rails

00:22:04.411 --> 00:22:06.333
for the fun for the fun

00:22:06.373 --> 00:22:09.976
thing a bit but I don't know

00:22:13.863 --> 00:22:14.143
Yeah,

00:22:15.104 --> 00:22:20.086
I think my gut feeling is that I am

00:22:20.685 --> 00:22:22.727
right about why it doesn't

00:22:22.826 --> 00:22:24.067
actually fundamentally

00:22:24.166 --> 00:22:26.208
solve a lot of the

00:22:26.268 --> 00:22:27.909
underlying problems with

00:22:29.069 --> 00:22:30.950
the way we abstract and the

00:22:30.990 --> 00:22:32.931
way that we compose protocols.

00:22:33.490 --> 00:22:36.313
But I will also say that VHS

00:22:36.333 --> 00:22:37.653
versus Betamax, right?

00:22:38.433 --> 00:22:41.474
Just because I might be on the money about

00:22:42.701 --> 00:22:43.962
the account abstractions

00:22:44.022 --> 00:22:45.304
being basically a whole bag

00:22:45.344 --> 00:22:47.105
and nothing it doesn't

00:22:47.125 --> 00:22:48.685
change the fact that I am

00:22:48.767 --> 00:22:50.468
wrong about the idea that

00:22:50.508 --> 00:22:53.029
they're not going to make a

00:22:53.069 --> 00:22:54.049
lot of people enter the

00:22:54.109 --> 00:22:55.191
ecosystem and make some

00:22:55.211 --> 00:22:56.071
people a lot of money

00:22:58.394 --> 00:22:59.755
because like consistently

00:22:59.795 --> 00:23:00.555
like what was the one thing

00:23:00.595 --> 00:23:01.455
we learned from the whole

00:23:01.516 --> 00:23:03.017
cosmos experience and I and

00:23:03.076 --> 00:23:04.357
I I'm sorry to put the

00:23:04.397 --> 00:23:05.439
cosmos experience in the

00:23:05.479 --> 00:23:07.200
back in the in the rear

00:23:07.220 --> 00:23:08.421
view mirror but I think a lot of

00:23:11.161 --> 00:23:12.622
mean a lot of cosmos is is

00:23:12.682 --> 00:23:15.124
not going to ride a future

00:23:15.183 --> 00:23:16.565
wave like unfortunately

00:23:16.605 --> 00:23:18.546
that is the probably the

00:23:18.586 --> 00:23:20.587
reality so are you are you

00:23:20.647 --> 00:23:22.249
bearish the whole ecosystem

00:23:22.368 --> 00:23:23.369
or are you just bearish

00:23:23.450 --> 00:23:25.391
certain parts of the

00:23:25.490 --> 00:23:27.393
ecosystem if the ecosystem

00:23:27.833 --> 00:23:31.015
responds to upward pressure

00:23:31.355 --> 00:23:33.477
by innovating in the face

00:23:33.517 --> 00:23:34.877
of that then I will become

00:23:34.938 --> 00:23:37.019
less bearish in its current

00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:39.300
form I am very very very bearish

00:23:42.944 --> 00:23:43.845
but I think like the one

00:23:43.924 --> 00:23:44.726
thing I would say that

00:23:45.105 --> 00:23:47.327
we've learned from the last

00:23:48.288 --> 00:23:49.189
bull and bear cycling

00:23:49.209 --> 00:23:51.191
cosmos is that all of my

00:23:51.290 --> 00:23:52.432
thoughts on what is right

00:23:52.471 --> 00:23:55.253
and wrong are rubbish

00:23:55.554 --> 00:23:56.914
because just

00:23:56.994 --> 00:24:04.201
inconsequential well I don't

00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:05.501
mean this to like say that

00:24:05.761 --> 00:24:08.263
oh la la la I'm so clever ha ha ha

00:24:09.921 --> 00:24:11.642
more the opposite right that

00:24:12.281 --> 00:24:14.482
none of my ideas or takes

00:24:14.942 --> 00:24:16.344
are dumb enough to actually

00:24:16.403 --> 00:24:19.025
reflect reality like the

00:24:19.325 --> 00:24:20.586
one or two times where I've

00:24:20.605 --> 00:24:22.086
done something really

00:24:22.165 --> 00:24:24.667
really dumb as like a

00:24:24.708 --> 00:24:28.348
business decision were

00:24:28.509 --> 00:24:30.069
quite often the most

00:24:32.571 --> 00:24:34.032
like profitable or the most

00:24:34.113 --> 00:24:35.173
sensible in terms of

00:24:35.213 --> 00:24:36.174
business decisions in the

00:24:36.275 --> 00:24:38.877
eco or like opinions where I was like,

00:24:39.538 --> 00:24:40.378
as I thought it, I was like,

00:24:40.459 --> 00:24:41.859
it's quite a dumb opinion.

00:24:41.940 --> 00:24:42.961
And it turned out that was

00:24:43.060 --> 00:24:44.843
actually like the thing

00:24:44.883 --> 00:24:46.304
that happened that ended up

00:24:46.704 --> 00:24:47.345
moving the thing,

00:24:47.384 --> 00:24:48.125
if that makes any sense.

00:24:48.145 --> 00:24:50.107
Like every time I thought like, ah,

00:24:50.147 --> 00:24:50.948
this is a problem that

00:24:50.968 --> 00:24:51.848
needs to be solved and the

00:24:52.249 --> 00:24:53.611
solution is complex,

00:24:53.631 --> 00:24:54.932
or this is a product that

00:24:54.971 --> 00:24:56.313
needs to exist or a project

00:24:56.333 --> 00:24:57.074
that needs to exist.

00:24:57.134 --> 00:24:58.255
And, oh, it's pretty complex.

00:24:59.141 --> 00:24:59.340
You know,

00:24:59.381 --> 00:25:00.840
those things didn't end up working,

00:25:00.901 --> 00:25:02.001
whereas like the really

00:25:02.041 --> 00:25:04.903
dumb things always seem to work.

00:25:05.863 --> 00:25:07.982
Like the Chihuahua is a case in point,

00:25:08.022 --> 00:25:08.262
right?

00:25:09.124 --> 00:25:10.064
Like I was literally like,

00:25:10.084 --> 00:25:11.443
there's no point validating that chain.

00:25:12.305 --> 00:25:13.924
There's like the absolute

00:25:13.964 --> 00:25:17.105
pinnacle of my not seeing

00:25:17.165 --> 00:25:18.205
that it doesn't matter that

00:25:18.266 --> 00:25:19.287
things are dumb idea.

00:25:19.386 --> 00:25:20.866
It can still succeed if it's dumb.

00:25:23.463 --> 00:25:24.284
Yeah, well, yeah,

00:25:24.344 --> 00:25:26.065
if not just for a little while.

00:25:26.244 --> 00:25:27.185
I mean, I don't know.

00:25:27.205 --> 00:25:28.226
But nothing's forever, dude.

00:25:28.967 --> 00:25:31.208
Like, everything succeeds temporarily.

00:25:32.627 --> 00:25:35.329
Sick transit Gloria, baby.

00:25:37.010 --> 00:25:37.211
What?

00:25:38.391 --> 00:25:39.152
Glory fades.

00:25:39.172 --> 00:25:42.153
I don't know.

00:25:42.553 --> 00:25:43.273
Different generation.

00:25:44.413 --> 00:25:46.694
I don't know what you're talking about.

00:25:47.276 --> 00:25:48.215
Oh, glory fades?

00:25:48.236 --> 00:25:49.457
I thought you were talking about a person.

00:25:51.096 --> 00:25:51.258
What?

00:25:52.137 --> 00:25:52.238
What?

00:25:53.116 --> 00:25:53.676
I thought you were talking

00:25:53.696 --> 00:25:57.319
about a person named Glory Fades.

00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:59.121
First name Glory, second name Fades.

00:25:59.622 --> 00:26:00.362
Yeah.

00:26:00.702 --> 00:26:02.864
Where does this come from?

00:26:03.625 --> 00:26:06.787
Are they a guest on Twitter next week?

00:26:11.250 --> 00:26:12.050
I did once see a great

00:26:12.090 --> 00:26:14.051
Twitter meme which was just

00:26:15.032 --> 00:26:16.614
a lady standing by a Ford

00:26:16.693 --> 00:26:20.156
Transit van and the caption

00:26:20.196 --> 00:26:21.438
for the meme was

00:26:23.354 --> 00:26:24.595
inverted commas as if it was

00:26:24.615 --> 00:26:26.276
being shouted and then the

00:26:26.477 --> 00:26:27.597
this was the words were

00:26:27.617 --> 00:26:29.038
written in all caps it just

00:26:29.058 --> 00:26:31.279
said sick transit comma

00:26:31.461 --> 00:26:34.403
gloria exclamation mark and

00:26:34.462 --> 00:26:39.686
I was like yeah it's good

00:26:39.926 --> 00:26:40.667
it's good it's a little

00:26:41.788 --> 00:26:43.269
it's a little play on a on

00:26:43.410 --> 00:26:45.932
a latin expression but also

00:26:45.951 --> 00:26:49.414
a play on the the ford transit

00:26:52.401 --> 00:26:52.641
Anyway,

00:26:53.061 --> 00:26:55.862
that was me describing a visual

00:26:55.902 --> 00:26:58.762
meme in words, verbally.

00:26:58.863 --> 00:27:01.564
So anyway, how do you feel?

00:27:01.584 --> 00:27:04.065
Because obviously I'm bearish.

00:27:04.164 --> 00:27:07.486
It feels like you are not on the eco.

00:27:09.346 --> 00:27:10.207
Well, I mean,

00:27:10.227 --> 00:27:11.827
I don't think it's played out.

00:27:12.607 --> 00:27:16.949
There's like a lot has

00:27:16.989 --> 00:27:18.150
happened in a couple of years.

00:27:20.165 --> 00:27:21.807
and you know some things

00:27:21.886 --> 00:27:23.367
have been good other things

00:27:23.407 --> 00:27:24.887
have been bad very bad uh

00:27:26.009 --> 00:27:27.269
people have come and gone

00:27:27.368 --> 00:27:29.711
from the the eco but I

00:27:30.151 --> 00:27:31.991
think overall like it's

00:27:32.031 --> 00:27:33.511
been interesting seeing

00:27:33.612 --> 00:27:35.073
people pick up the

00:27:35.133 --> 00:27:36.074
tendermint and the

00:27:36.114 --> 00:27:38.875
modularity of cosmos and

00:27:39.295 --> 00:27:41.195
adding in you know their

00:27:41.236 --> 00:27:42.517
own flavor to stuff like

00:27:42.557 --> 00:27:44.176
just the whole app chain thing um

00:27:46.569 --> 00:27:47.849
people being able to pretty

00:27:47.970 --> 00:27:50.490
easily try their ideas,

00:27:51.810 --> 00:27:53.592
whether they're good or bad

00:27:53.632 --> 00:27:54.991
or marketed well or poorly,

00:27:55.332 --> 00:27:59.393
good or bad for users in general.

00:27:59.633 --> 00:28:01.013
It's just been, I think,

00:28:01.453 --> 00:28:02.933
a pretty decent vehicle for

00:28:02.973 --> 00:28:04.354
people to try their thing.

00:28:06.615 --> 00:28:08.575
And I think it continues to be so.

00:28:08.595 --> 00:28:09.435
And even...

00:28:10.902 --> 00:28:11.182
you know,

00:28:11.281 --> 00:28:12.883
highly marketed things doing

00:28:12.942 --> 00:28:14.202
stuff completely different,

00:28:14.222 --> 00:28:18.125
like Barrowchain using the consensus,

00:28:18.144 --> 00:28:19.365
but then tacking on like

00:28:19.505 --> 00:28:21.806
the EVM side like they did

00:28:22.086 --> 00:28:24.267
recently is pretty interesting to me.

00:28:24.287 --> 00:28:26.807
And you continue to get

00:28:26.867 --> 00:28:27.728
people pulling out the

00:28:27.748 --> 00:28:29.269
consensus side and then

00:28:29.888 --> 00:28:31.150
building like entirely

00:28:31.630 --> 00:28:33.490
different paths to the

00:28:33.550 --> 00:28:34.851
other side to try and be

00:28:34.891 --> 00:28:36.791
more compatible with the rest of crypto.

00:28:37.891 --> 00:28:40.251
um I think it's fully played

00:28:40.311 --> 00:28:41.251
out I think people are

00:28:41.271 --> 00:28:42.212
going to come with more

00:28:42.292 --> 00:28:44.093
ideas they could be like

00:28:44.113 --> 00:28:46.374
you know some some killer

00:28:46.433 --> 00:28:47.994
app chains yet like I think

00:28:48.134 --> 00:28:49.674
you're what you've alighted

00:28:49.734 --> 00:28:51.635
on there though perhaps is

00:28:51.715 --> 00:28:54.676
more about more about the

00:28:55.957 --> 00:28:56.917
the fact that maybe

00:28:56.978 --> 00:28:58.357
tendermint is like quite a

00:28:58.438 --> 00:29:00.038
known quantity at this point

00:29:01.262 --> 00:29:02.263
Because a lot of the chains

00:29:02.284 --> 00:29:02.864
you're talking about,

00:29:03.545 --> 00:29:04.965
their execution layer is different.

00:29:05.066 --> 00:29:05.726
So, you know,

00:29:06.646 --> 00:29:08.067
they're not Cosmos chains in

00:29:08.087 --> 00:29:10.890
the sense they don't use the Cosmos SDK.

00:29:10.970 --> 00:29:11.170
Yeah,

00:29:11.210 --> 00:29:14.613
they just use their Tendermen chains.

00:29:14.873 --> 00:29:17.755
And some of them don't even speak IBC,

00:29:17.815 --> 00:29:18.214
do they?

00:29:20.757 --> 00:29:22.357
Well, I think they have the ability to,

00:29:22.417 --> 00:29:24.119
but just not on purpose.

00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:25.941
Well, IBC,

00:29:26.280 --> 00:29:28.022
if you don't have the Cosmos SDK,

00:29:28.063 --> 00:29:30.184
you don't ship natively with IBC,

00:29:30.204 --> 00:29:31.226
you'd have to implement it.

00:29:32.406 --> 00:29:33.647
Yeah, I'm not a programmer.

00:29:34.008 --> 00:29:36.230
So I presume that it

00:29:36.289 --> 00:29:37.731
wouldn't be too hard to implement.

00:29:38.211 --> 00:29:39.492
It might.

00:29:39.854 --> 00:29:40.734
Well, it depends.

00:29:41.976 --> 00:29:42.395
It depends.

00:29:42.415 --> 00:29:43.576
But I mean, yeah,

00:29:43.737 --> 00:29:45.699
people don't necessarily want IBC either,

00:29:45.878 --> 00:29:46.240
remember?

00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:47.861
Yeah.

00:29:48.902 --> 00:29:49.142
You know,

00:29:49.162 --> 00:29:50.123
there's bridges out there that

00:29:50.163 --> 00:29:50.804
have been working

00:29:51.808 --> 00:29:52.709
for a long time now.

00:29:54.349 --> 00:29:55.809
Some have not been hacked.

00:29:58.391 --> 00:30:02.071
Yeah, well, I mean, that's, yeah,

00:30:02.992 --> 00:30:04.272
that's a whole other thing.

00:30:04.472 --> 00:30:06.614
I mean, if only, I mean,

00:30:07.213 --> 00:30:08.953
I wouldn't really know about that.

00:30:08.973 --> 00:30:10.694
It's not like I've been writing it.

00:30:11.971 --> 00:30:14.133
paper on that anyway oh uh

00:30:14.232 --> 00:30:14.873
in other news

00:30:14.932 --> 00:30:16.295
congratulations on getting

00:30:16.434 --> 00:30:18.717
out your um questionnaire

00:30:18.737 --> 00:30:21.519
uh after six months of

00:30:21.598 --> 00:30:24.501
ethics approval process I

00:30:24.541 --> 00:30:25.962
noticed some quite pointy

00:30:26.002 --> 00:30:27.423
questions in there that may

00:30:27.483 --> 00:30:28.545
or may not be related

00:30:29.045 --> 00:30:30.906
related to uh happenings

00:30:31.307 --> 00:30:35.171
past in the ecosystem well

00:30:37.372 --> 00:30:37.972
there are a couple of

00:30:38.012 --> 00:30:40.134
pointy questions in there because

00:30:42.107 --> 00:30:44.029
So just for some context,

00:30:44.069 --> 00:30:47.173
this is related to Cosmos only ecosystem,

00:30:47.232 --> 00:30:47.433
right?

00:30:47.453 --> 00:30:47.973
It is not.

00:30:48.054 --> 00:30:48.755
Yeah.

00:30:48.994 --> 00:30:51.057
So I'm doing two things at the moment.

00:30:51.218 --> 00:30:54.040
I'm doing a questionnaire

00:30:54.060 --> 00:30:55.382
that has gone out on

00:30:55.502 --> 00:30:56.743
validator private channels.

00:30:56.804 --> 00:30:58.326
So it's only open to validators,

00:31:00.248 --> 00:31:01.789
encouraging validators to take part.

00:31:02.722 --> 00:31:03.764
It's about 20,

00:31:03.764 --> 00:31:05.505
25 minutes worth of multiple

00:31:05.525 --> 00:31:06.325
choice questions,

00:31:06.365 --> 00:31:06.945
maybe depending on how

00:31:06.965 --> 00:31:08.146
you... It's about 25 questions,

00:31:08.166 --> 00:31:09.227
so I guess a minute a question.

00:31:10.607 --> 00:31:11.469
I'd probably rattle through

00:31:11.509 --> 00:31:12.489
it more quickly because I

00:31:12.509 --> 00:31:14.029
don't always read these

00:31:14.069 --> 00:31:14.871
things as well as I should.

00:31:15.250 --> 00:31:18.012
Anyway, so there's that component,

00:31:18.712 --> 00:31:19.693
which is what we're talking about here.

00:31:19.733 --> 00:31:21.255
And then also there,

00:31:21.494 --> 00:31:23.655
I'm conducting some audio

00:31:23.695 --> 00:31:25.678
interviews with operators,

00:31:25.738 --> 00:31:27.598
and that's not necessarily

00:31:27.898 --> 00:31:29.220
just the Cosmos ecosystem

00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:30.260
because we'll be talking about

00:31:31.501 --> 00:31:33.463
experience in other ecosystems.

00:31:33.503 --> 00:31:35.405
But for the questionnaire itself,

00:31:35.665 --> 00:31:38.368
because it's like really

00:31:38.409 --> 00:31:41.031
well self-contained to say

00:31:41.051 --> 00:31:43.535
the Cosmos stack is

00:31:43.674 --> 00:31:45.277
generally speaking Tendermint,

00:31:45.597 --> 00:31:47.480
Cosmos SDK and or a smart

00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:48.320
contract engine.

00:31:49.833 --> 00:31:50.553
it's just a great

00:31:50.593 --> 00:31:51.594
opportunity to say to

00:31:51.634 --> 00:31:53.095
people who run multiple

00:31:53.134 --> 00:31:54.676
chains or organizations

00:31:54.717 --> 00:31:56.258
that run multiple chains, hey,

00:31:56.357 --> 00:31:57.398
what is the sum total of

00:31:57.439 --> 00:31:58.880
your experience across

00:31:58.920 --> 00:31:59.760
those multiple chains?

00:31:59.800 --> 00:32:02.363
And that's kind of the

00:32:02.423 --> 00:32:04.045
purpose of this questionnaire, I suppose,

00:32:05.085 --> 00:32:05.986
the one that you're talking about.

00:32:06.906 --> 00:32:08.428
Has anyone put their hand up

00:32:08.468 --> 00:32:09.209
for an interview yet?

00:32:11.179 --> 00:32:14.460
um I don't think I have

00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:16.840
anybody in cosmos um but I

00:32:16.901 --> 00:32:18.941
do have one or two people

00:32:19.060 --> 00:32:21.041
in other ecosystems who

00:32:21.061 --> 00:32:23.701
will remain anonymous so

00:32:23.741 --> 00:32:25.742
was the was the requirement

00:32:26.222 --> 00:32:27.383
that you didn't know them

00:32:27.442 --> 00:32:32.365
already really it's yeah so

00:32:32.644 --> 00:32:34.805
they they can know because

00:32:34.845 --> 00:32:35.705
I mean the nature of these

00:32:35.746 --> 00:32:36.546
things is like it's

00:32:37.511 --> 00:32:38.913
it's posted to a channel of

00:32:38.993 --> 00:32:39.733
only a hundred people.

00:32:39.794 --> 00:32:41.476
So the expectation is that

00:32:41.496 --> 00:32:43.417
they will know of you, um,

00:32:43.778 --> 00:32:44.699
because I'm a research

00:32:44.719 --> 00:32:45.961
researcher who currently

00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:46.862
works in the field.

00:32:48.282 --> 00:32:48.502
Um,

00:32:49.223 --> 00:32:54.489
but it would be difficult to like

00:32:54.529 --> 00:32:55.510
somebody I know very well,

00:32:55.790 --> 00:32:56.672
like anybody in this pod.

00:32:56.731 --> 00:32:57.833
Oh, it's just straight away.

00:32:57.853 --> 00:32:57.893
No.

00:32:57.913 --> 00:32:57.952
Um,

00:33:00.483 --> 00:33:01.744
I'm already going to have to

00:33:01.785 --> 00:33:04.626
have a quite substantial

00:33:04.987 --> 00:33:06.928
ethics disclaimer at the

00:33:06.968 --> 00:33:09.329
end of the paper that uses

00:33:09.390 --> 00:33:10.830
this stuff just to say, look, hey,

00:33:11.892 --> 00:33:12.992
you should be aware that

00:33:13.353 --> 00:33:14.232
these things are true.

00:33:14.252 --> 00:33:16.075
This is some of my background.

00:33:17.015 --> 00:33:19.436
You might quite reasonably

00:33:19.636 --> 00:33:20.978
think that this is

00:33:21.057 --> 00:33:22.278
compromised from the get-go

00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:26.582
in terms of any opinion that I have,

00:33:26.781 --> 00:33:28.323
but the questionnaire

00:33:28.363 --> 00:33:29.544
itself is designed to

00:33:31.487 --> 00:33:32.166
And again,

00:33:32.186 --> 00:33:35.009
the reason for having audio

00:33:35.028 --> 00:33:37.589
interviews is that you get

00:33:37.630 --> 00:33:39.550
a much more true account of

00:33:39.590 --> 00:33:40.392
a conversation.

00:33:40.511 --> 00:33:42.012
So I've been doing

00:33:42.073 --> 00:33:43.634
interviews as a journalist

00:33:43.673 --> 00:33:44.693
for like 15 years.

00:33:45.634 --> 00:33:46.315
And there's a reason that

00:33:46.355 --> 00:33:47.395
you're not typically

00:33:47.455 --> 00:33:50.416
allowed to do interviews over email.

00:33:51.357 --> 00:33:52.939
Even if somebody speaks another language,

00:33:53.818 --> 00:33:55.599
if they have any English, for example,

00:33:55.621 --> 00:33:56.661
you're expected to do it in

00:33:56.740 --> 00:33:57.642
English and they have to

00:33:57.682 --> 00:33:59.542
struggle through because the

00:34:00.520 --> 00:34:01.942
the way that people talk and

00:34:01.981 --> 00:34:02.923
the ability to put somebody

00:34:02.942 --> 00:34:04.864
on the spot is like really

00:34:04.884 --> 00:34:05.923
really important to getting

00:34:06.044 --> 00:34:09.525
a an honest um reaction

00:34:09.646 --> 00:34:10.967
that's not like overthought

00:34:11.648 --> 00:34:12.768
and so the reason you do a

00:34:14.369 --> 00:34:15.809
semi-structured interview

00:34:15.909 --> 00:34:17.150
to support a questionnaire

00:34:17.190 --> 00:34:18.211
is that a questionnaire

00:34:19.130 --> 00:34:20.710
can reveal some things but

00:34:20.771 --> 00:34:22.231
the audio interviews should

00:34:22.672 --> 00:34:24.132
reveal supporting context

00:34:25.074 --> 00:34:27.275
um and you mentioned pointy

00:34:27.315 --> 00:34:28.456
questions you know that

00:34:28.496 --> 00:34:29.597
came about because you know

00:34:29.617 --> 00:34:30.396
we're talking about cyber

00:34:30.416 --> 00:34:32.518
security and stuff um you

00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.260
know some of the stuff that

00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:35.139
we're working on in the

00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.561
context of you know rolling

00:34:37.722 --> 00:34:39.503
out cash and privacy

00:34:39.543 --> 00:34:40.704
measures and stuff at the

00:34:40.804 --> 00:34:41.844
scale of a country um

00:34:44.251 --> 00:34:44.512
you know,

00:34:44.791 --> 00:34:46.173
we're really talking about policy.

00:34:46.333 --> 00:34:47.034
We're not really talking

00:34:47.054 --> 00:34:47.715
about technical

00:34:47.735 --> 00:34:48.996
implementation other than

00:34:49.096 --> 00:34:50.996
from a policy perspective, right?

00:34:51.597 --> 00:34:54.059
And so some of it is very theoretical.

00:34:54.219 --> 00:34:56.440
And if you say something like, oh, well,

00:34:56.922 --> 00:34:57.702
I happen to know that in

00:34:57.742 --> 00:34:58.943
Cosmos this happened,

00:34:59.083 --> 00:35:00.344
it's not theoretical.

00:35:00.965 --> 00:35:02.186
Somebody would say like, yes,

00:35:02.246 --> 00:35:03.646
but if you asked a validator,

00:35:03.726 --> 00:35:04.507
what would they say?

00:35:05.387 --> 00:35:06.429
If you asked a validator,

00:35:06.829 --> 00:35:08.391
would you ever rewrite a ledger?

00:35:08.451 --> 00:35:09.070
What would they say?

00:35:09.090 --> 00:35:09.851
And I would say, well,

00:35:11.572 --> 00:35:12.353
they'd probably say no.

00:35:14.297 --> 00:35:15.617
because ledges are immutable.

00:35:15.677 --> 00:35:15.898
Right.

00:35:17.259 --> 00:35:18.259
And yet, and then they're like, well,

00:35:18.278 --> 00:35:19.679
but you're just saying it has happened.

00:35:19.739 --> 00:35:20.619
And I'm like, well, yeah.

00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:21.760
So you'd have to put in a

00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:23.661
second question saying in

00:35:23.701 --> 00:35:25.902
your experience or in your

00:35:25.922 --> 00:35:27.001
time validating chains,

00:35:27.543 --> 00:35:29.862
have you ever actually, you know,

00:35:30.864 --> 00:35:31.724
be completely honest.

00:35:31.784 --> 00:35:32.824
Have you actually ever

00:35:32.923 --> 00:35:33.804
participated in a force

00:35:33.824 --> 00:35:34.625
rewrite of any kind?

00:35:35.085 --> 00:35:36.146
And the answer would probably be yes.

00:35:36.726 --> 00:35:38.905
And they're like, well, that's weird.

00:35:38.967 --> 00:35:40.186
And I'm like, yeah, but you know,

00:35:42.460 --> 00:35:43.900
Every job has a credo.

00:35:43.940 --> 00:35:45.222
Every job has professional

00:35:45.262 --> 00:35:50.083
standards or some platonic

00:35:50.222 --> 00:35:52.983
ideal of what it is we're doing here.

00:35:53.664 --> 00:35:56.324
Well, I think in the Cosmos ecosystem,

00:35:56.344 --> 00:35:57.605
there's also the social

00:35:57.684 --> 00:36:00.465
pressure of governance.

00:36:00.485 --> 00:36:01.326
Yeah, 100%.

00:36:01.646 --> 00:36:02.865
Yeah,

00:36:03.146 --> 00:36:06.067
it's not all based on your ideals as

00:36:06.186 --> 00:36:07.306
a validator,

00:36:07.367 --> 00:36:08.628
like you running a business

00:36:08.768 --> 00:36:09.208
and you've got...

00:36:10.333 --> 00:36:12.076
pressure from those who

00:36:12.155 --> 00:36:13.197
support you through their

00:36:13.516 --> 00:36:15.579
delegations to do what they want.

00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:18.501
I mean, there's a question in there, right,

00:36:18.541 --> 00:36:20.324
which is in there,

00:36:20.483 --> 00:36:21.965
and I don't even know how

00:36:22.025 --> 00:36:23.126
we would answer it from a

00:36:23.166 --> 00:36:24.047
business perspective,

00:36:24.108 --> 00:36:26.510
which is if you were faced

00:36:26.550 --> 00:36:27.951
with a tombstone event,

00:36:28.846 --> 00:36:31.827
would you seek to have that

00:36:31.907 --> 00:36:33.847
rewrite undone for example

00:36:33.907 --> 00:36:35.447
via governance it's I don't

00:36:35.467 --> 00:36:36.407
remember the exact wording

00:36:36.427 --> 00:36:37.148
but something like that

00:36:37.568 --> 00:36:39.148
like yeah you know my

00:36:39.168 --> 00:36:40.188
position like from from a

00:36:40.268 --> 00:36:42.608
technical standpoint the

00:36:42.648 --> 00:36:45.688
tombstoning is the protocol

00:36:45.809 --> 00:36:47.789
acting correctly but you

00:36:47.809 --> 00:36:48.989
know we have delegators

00:36:49.170 --> 00:36:50.309
like if those delegators

00:36:50.349 --> 00:36:51.411
were up on us on twitter

00:36:51.431 --> 00:36:52.170
being like whoa what are

00:36:52.190 --> 00:36:52.911
you going to do about this

00:36:54.746 --> 00:36:55.746
who knows what you would do

00:36:55.806 --> 00:36:56.788
in that situation?

00:36:56.887 --> 00:36:57.088
Right.

00:36:57.168 --> 00:36:58.208
It's a difficult question.

00:36:58.288 --> 00:36:58.469
Right.

00:36:58.748 --> 00:36:59.688
And it's kind of,

00:36:59.929 --> 00:37:01.530
it's completely outside of the protocol.

00:37:02.050 --> 00:37:02.431
Like there's a,

00:37:02.451 --> 00:37:04.152
there's a platonic ideal of

00:37:04.192 --> 00:37:04.952
what you would do.

00:37:05.152 --> 00:37:05.373
Right.

00:37:06.273 --> 00:37:08.114
But with tombstoning as well, it's not,

00:37:08.594 --> 00:37:09.954
it's not always black and white.

00:37:10.376 --> 00:37:12.876
And there, you know,

00:37:12.916 --> 00:37:14.077
that is the protocol that,

00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:16.860
acting within its

00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:18.481
programming but also the

00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:20.942
circumstances around how it

00:37:20.981 --> 00:37:22.402
occurs can have some

00:37:22.461 --> 00:37:23.623
bearing on whether or not

00:37:24.503 --> 00:37:25.724
um you know the greater

00:37:25.804 --> 00:37:26.963
audience would think that

00:37:27.923 --> 00:37:30.784
it's uh defensible to

00:37:30.945 --> 00:37:33.025
un-tombstone them you know

00:37:33.065 --> 00:37:35.907
like yeah but you know the

00:37:35.947 --> 00:37:37.347
wider context here right is

00:37:37.407 --> 00:37:39.788
remember that like the the

00:37:39.827 --> 00:37:41.028
whole point of these systems

00:37:42.045 --> 00:37:42.206
Um,

00:37:42.306 --> 00:37:44.108
is that they solve double spend and

00:37:44.128 --> 00:37:45.469
they solve mutability

00:37:46.130 --> 00:37:46.869
because they have to

00:37:46.949 --> 00:37:48.110
operate in a low trust

00:37:48.150 --> 00:37:49.612
environment where all of

00:37:49.632 --> 00:37:51.914
the stakeholders might

00:37:52.094 --> 00:37:54.376
situationally be adversarial.

00:37:54.697 --> 00:37:54.896
Right.

00:37:56.521 --> 00:37:59.123
And the fact is what we see

00:37:59.402 --> 00:38:01.063
in Cosmos that we've talked

00:38:01.083 --> 00:38:02.324
about in the podcast a lot, right,

00:38:02.385 --> 00:38:04.885
is that we see node

00:38:04.925 --> 00:38:06.706
operators behave as if

00:38:07.047 --> 00:38:07.867
these blockchains that

00:38:07.927 --> 00:38:08.947
should be zero trust and

00:38:08.967 --> 00:38:09.827
should be in some way

00:38:10.088 --> 00:38:12.128
adversarial are in fact

00:38:12.268 --> 00:38:13.869
consortium blockchains, i.e.

00:38:13.969 --> 00:38:16.070
they're semi-collaborative

00:38:16.150 --> 00:38:17.492
or cooperative venture, right?

00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:19.822
Which makes sense, right?

00:38:19.842 --> 00:38:22.204
If you think about the validator community,

00:38:22.324 --> 00:38:23.784
it is literally a small community.

00:38:23.824 --> 00:38:24.606
It's a small village.

00:38:24.626 --> 00:38:26.407
It's a small town, actually.

00:38:26.527 --> 00:38:28.409
It's about 2,500 validators in the cosmos,

00:38:28.449 --> 00:38:28.730
isn't it?

00:38:28.869 --> 00:38:30.210
Give or take organizations

00:38:30.271 --> 00:38:31.291
or unique validators.

00:38:32.532 --> 00:38:33.733
Possibly even more, actually.

00:38:33.753 --> 00:38:36.717
How did you come up with that number?

00:38:38.358 --> 00:38:40.679
MintScan has a total number

00:38:40.699 --> 00:38:42.141
of registered validators somewhere,

00:38:42.202 --> 00:38:43.121
I think, on one of the pages.

00:38:43.143 --> 00:38:44.583
All right.

00:38:45.054 --> 00:38:45.454
Interesting.

00:38:45.856 --> 00:38:47.137
I think it's about two and a

00:38:47.177 --> 00:38:48.782
half thousand uniques,

00:38:49.041 --> 00:38:51.507
but I don't know if that is

00:38:52.690 --> 00:38:54.653
includes jailed and inactive.

00:38:55.735 --> 00:38:56.056
I don't know.

00:38:56.733 --> 00:38:58.094
at some point I think I

00:38:58.173 --> 00:38:58.894
asked one of the cosmos

00:38:58.934 --> 00:39:01.117
station guys like um how do

00:39:01.157 --> 00:39:03.639
you write this number and

00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:05.800
they were really helpful

00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:06.641
and answered a couple of my

00:39:06.681 --> 00:39:07.601
questions but I think there

00:39:07.621 --> 00:39:10.023
was still some there's

00:39:10.043 --> 00:39:11.005
still some other questions

00:39:11.085 --> 00:39:12.686
I have about yeah like

00:39:12.907 --> 00:39:14.327
whether jailed and whatever

00:39:14.447 --> 00:39:16.210
including that number um

00:39:16.449 --> 00:39:17.851
there is I think a pure

00:39:18.030 --> 00:39:19.231
active validators number

00:39:19.291 --> 00:39:22.155
actually on the uh on the

00:39:22.195 --> 00:39:23.235
min scan validators

00:39:24.155 --> 00:39:28.358
It's been hard to navigate this thing.

00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:29.960
Yeah.

00:39:29.980 --> 00:39:32.882
The new min scan is some bits were really,

00:39:32.902 --> 00:39:36.443
really good, but just there's a friend.

00:39:36.844 --> 00:39:38.425
I know friend of the podcast hates it,

00:39:39.186 --> 00:39:40.867
but I mean,

00:39:41.106 --> 00:39:42.367
it's got some good stuff in here though.

00:39:42.387 --> 00:39:44.929
It's just knowing where it all is,

00:39:45.009 --> 00:39:45.329
I guess.

00:39:45.969 --> 00:39:46.150
Yeah.

00:39:46.190 --> 00:39:47.530
So they say 2064 validators and,

00:39:51.865 --> 00:39:53.286
so that must be act

00:39:53.425 --> 00:39:56.987
currently active validators across 50,

00:39:56.987 --> 00:39:58.487
54 networks.

00:39:58.507 --> 00:39:59.226
Does that add up?

00:39:59.726 --> 00:40:00.728
I'm not sure that adds up.

00:40:05.288 --> 00:40:06.429
Oh man, there is a,

00:40:08.048 --> 00:40:11.469
it's good to see some friends in the, uh,

00:40:12.750 --> 00:40:13.849
in the, in some of the,

00:40:15.150 --> 00:40:16.710
some of the visualizations there,

00:40:16.931 --> 00:40:18.610
some friends of the potto.

00:40:20.467 --> 00:40:20.606
Yeah,

00:40:20.626 --> 00:40:21.806
I can't see where the total

00:40:21.847 --> 00:40:22.447
validators is.

00:40:22.487 --> 00:40:23.027
Oh, yeah, validators,

00:40:23.027 --> 00:40:23.447
2,064 on 54 networks.

00:40:23.467 --> 00:40:24.688
So that means there's roughly, yes,

00:40:24.708 --> 00:40:25.207
if 2,054 divided by 54, 38.

00:40:25.208 --> 00:40:26.208
So that makes sense, right?

00:40:26.248 --> 00:40:28.168
So that means that, I don't know,

00:40:28.748 --> 00:40:29.688
something like 25 validators.

00:40:52.074 --> 00:40:53.114
Yeah,

00:40:53.155 --> 00:40:55.516
so what that number suggests is that

00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.141
there's quite a lot,

00:41:01.922 --> 00:41:03.143
I think it's this way around, right?

00:41:03.384 --> 00:41:05.226
Is that that's quite a small

00:41:05.266 --> 00:41:06.085
number given that most

00:41:06.126 --> 00:41:06.907
chains must have 100

00:41:06.907 --> 00:41:08.708
validators or so in their set.

00:41:08.809 --> 00:41:10.831
So it must be that there's

00:41:10.871 --> 00:41:14.333
quite a bit of overlap with

00:41:14.333 --> 00:41:14.893
2,000 validators,

00:41:15.213 --> 00:41:15.974
which makes sense because

00:41:15.994 --> 00:41:17.076
we know people are

00:41:17.195 --> 00:41:18.137
validating more than one chain.

00:41:20.764 --> 00:41:26.246
um and yes lena whoa so

00:41:28.228 --> 00:41:30.389
chorus one uh way ahead of

00:41:30.429 --> 00:41:36.351
these other guys yeah

00:41:36.371 --> 00:41:38.590
they're uh well so is cosmo

00:41:38.610 --> 00:41:40.492
station as well well cosmo

00:41:40.532 --> 00:41:41.632
station is all the way over

00:41:41.672 --> 00:41:45.393
there but you know huh

00:41:46.527 --> 00:41:48.108
yeah chorus one has just a

00:41:48.168 --> 00:41:49.389
lot of you know

00:41:49.989 --> 00:41:51.150
institutional staking as

00:41:51.190 --> 00:41:53.371
well so coinbase is really

00:41:53.411 --> 00:41:57.255
big unit 410 what's unit

00:41:57.255 --> 00:42:01.217
410 sounds ominous so unit

00:42:01.217 --> 00:42:03.739
410 are they do basically

00:42:03.818 --> 00:42:07.041
nodes for polychain um okay

00:42:07.884 --> 00:42:09.023
Yeah, that's like,

00:42:09.684 --> 00:42:10.525
they're a separate business,

00:42:10.565 --> 00:42:13.166
but they provide the nodes

00:42:13.206 --> 00:42:15.025
for Polychain for staking, I think.

00:42:17.327 --> 00:42:18.547
Go Lavender 5.

00:42:20.288 --> 00:42:22.449
Yeah, L5 up there, Pokichu.

00:42:25.730 --> 00:42:26.550
So yeah,

00:42:26.630 --> 00:42:29.090
Lavender is like doing pretty well.

00:42:31.030 --> 00:42:33.331
I wonder if that means that

00:42:33.992 --> 00:42:36.552
Lavender at some point topped Limp.

00:42:37.983 --> 00:42:39.324
They may be top to billion

00:42:39.344 --> 00:42:40.505
dollars then in assets

00:42:40.565 --> 00:42:42.804
under stake at some point if they're up.

00:42:43.244 --> 00:42:43.545
No, no.

00:42:44.806 --> 00:42:45.925
They maybe got half a

00:42:45.965 --> 00:42:47.326
billion dollars at some point.

00:42:49.367 --> 00:42:50.106
Assets under stake.

00:42:50.146 --> 00:42:50.447
Maybe.

00:42:50.507 --> 00:42:51.547
I think some of the bigger

00:42:51.586 --> 00:42:53.228
networks have come, you know,

00:42:53.268 --> 00:42:55.268
Johnny come lately rather

00:42:55.307 --> 00:42:57.509
than during the bull period.

00:42:59.989 --> 00:43:00.429
Yeah.

00:43:01.489 --> 00:43:03.469
Well, cause I mean like, like our,

00:43:03.730 --> 00:43:04.731
as I know,

00:43:04.751 --> 00:43:07.451
like it seems ridiculous because my,

00:43:07.612 --> 00:43:10.713
of my kind of lukewarm

00:43:11.532 --> 00:43:13.773
energy to the validator business, but our,

00:43:14.554 --> 00:43:15.793
our peak assets under stake

00:43:15.853 --> 00:43:17.275
was like $300 million.

00:43:20.976 --> 00:43:23.077
So like lavender being much

00:43:23.137 --> 00:43:24.117
more widely spread in,

00:43:24.516 --> 00:43:27.177
in both near and cosmos and whatnot, like

00:43:28.556 --> 00:43:30.217
Maybe it was over $500

00:43:30.217 --> 00:43:31.177
million at one point.

00:43:31.996 --> 00:43:33.557
Well, yeah, if you take into account.

00:43:33.898 --> 00:43:33.998
Yeah,

00:43:34.038 --> 00:43:37.159
I would say probably with Nier and Aptos.

00:43:37.699 --> 00:43:38.059
Yeah.

00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:39.619
Good chance.

00:43:40.219 --> 00:43:40.880
Very good chance.

00:43:41.201 --> 00:43:41.561
Well done.

00:43:42.081 --> 00:43:44.541
That's quite a few dollars.

00:43:44.601 --> 00:43:47.682
Hats off to the Erda man, the BD man.

00:43:47.702 --> 00:43:50.864
Yeah, BD baby.

00:43:50.903 --> 00:43:52.423
James has chimed in.

00:43:52.503 --> 00:43:53.605
James is in the chat.

00:43:53.625 --> 00:43:54.204
Close to $500 at some point.

00:43:58.054 --> 00:43:59.295
Don't think we hit it yet, he says.

00:43:59.315 --> 00:44:00.856
I think even we were close

00:44:00.876 --> 00:44:03.878
to 500 at some point not too long ago.

00:44:03.898 --> 00:44:07.561
Yeah, we were well over 350, 400.

00:44:08.762 --> 00:44:11.463
Right.

00:44:12.804 --> 00:44:13.746
Big say energy.

00:44:14.485 --> 00:44:15.507
Yeah, big say energy.

00:44:16.427 --> 00:44:18.228
We had some decent injective energy.

00:44:20.550 --> 00:44:22.150
But the prices of things

00:44:23.552 --> 00:44:25.572
says what a third of what it used to be.

00:44:25.853 --> 00:44:27.193
Maybe even, well, less.

00:44:28.226 --> 00:44:29.726
and then injectives more

00:44:29.746 --> 00:44:31.907
than half off its highs so

00:44:31.927 --> 00:44:34.007
everything's sort of rolled

00:44:34.047 --> 00:44:35.668
back a bit in the last few

00:44:35.708 --> 00:44:39.148
months but um you know the

00:44:39.188 --> 00:44:41.809
will is strong and uh

00:44:42.570 --> 00:44:44.210
things continue to move forward

00:44:45.233 --> 00:44:45.452
Well,

00:44:45.572 --> 00:44:49.335
Aptos has a new Flappy Bird clone on

00:44:49.416 --> 00:44:51.396
it at the moment.

00:44:52.637 --> 00:44:53.358
Aptos does?

00:44:53.677 --> 00:44:54.438
Flappy Bird clone?

00:44:55.139 --> 00:44:55.699
Yeah,

00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.360
so I think that explains the... You know,

00:44:58.440 --> 00:44:59.501
the other day I was like,

00:45:00.682 --> 00:45:03.445
where's this positive energy coming from?

00:45:03.485 --> 00:45:04.405
I don't understand.

00:45:04.425 --> 00:45:06.666
I don't understand what's going on.

00:45:06.987 --> 00:45:09.849
And then I think that was the answer.

00:45:09.869 --> 00:45:09.949
Yeah.

00:45:12.431 --> 00:45:14.532
was like flappy bird energy

00:45:14.572 --> 00:45:15.592
was was actually what was

00:45:15.632 --> 00:45:19.255
going on but hey what are

00:45:19.275 --> 00:45:24.677
you gonna do um I think you

00:45:24.697 --> 00:45:25.677
know it'd be nice to see

00:45:25.717 --> 00:45:29.559
some um some more test nets

00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.360
come online um for the

00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:33.440
second half of the year I

00:45:33.621 --> 00:45:35.041
think we can just launch a shit chain

00:45:36.617 --> 00:45:38.137
Well, we could do that, yeah.

00:45:39.278 --> 00:45:40.219
But I don't need that kind

00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:41.980
of drama at this particular

00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:42.900
time of my life.

00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:44.159
What,

00:45:44.179 --> 00:45:45.820
are you saying you need drama just

00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:47.820
before a wee tot arrives?

00:45:48.382 --> 00:45:50.282
Yeah, as you pointed out earlier,

00:45:50.601 --> 00:45:52.422
my life's about to be turned upside down,

00:45:52.483 --> 00:45:53.983
just as Schultz's has been

00:45:54.023 --> 00:45:55.744
recently and yours was last year.

00:45:55.844 --> 00:45:56.724
And I'm sure we can all

00:45:56.764 --> 00:45:59.525
appreciate that time will be fleeting.

00:46:00.905 --> 00:46:02.306
And, you know,

00:46:02.686 --> 00:46:04.907
I'm likely to be a grumpy

00:46:04.927 --> 00:46:05.806
little bitch for a while.

00:46:09.112 --> 00:46:09.172
Hey,

00:46:09.313 --> 00:46:11.695
maybe you'll take it really well and

00:46:11.735 --> 00:46:15.137
you won't complain at all.

00:46:15.257 --> 00:46:16.239
That's not likely.

00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.362
I'm a born complainer.

00:46:21.262 --> 00:46:22.523
You are a complainer.

00:46:23.304 --> 00:46:25.266
Yeah, if things are not going well,

00:46:25.365 --> 00:46:27.047
I'll definitely be telling you about it.

00:46:27.889 --> 00:46:29.889
I think maybe everybody on

00:46:29.929 --> 00:46:31.110
the podcast apart from

00:46:31.231 --> 00:46:33.052
Schulze has a kind of

00:46:34.309 --> 00:46:35.909
latent complaining energy

00:46:35.929 --> 00:46:40.371
yeah schultz is very much

00:46:40.451 --> 00:46:43.251
like um I feel like

00:46:43.371 --> 00:46:44.612
especially with the the

00:46:44.672 --> 00:46:45.831
child business it feels

00:46:45.871 --> 00:46:48.652
very on brand to be like I

00:46:48.693 --> 00:46:50.112
don't mean to complain but

00:46:50.172 --> 00:46:51.434
you know should the child

00:46:51.474 --> 00:46:53.273
be doing xyz and it's just

00:46:53.313 --> 00:46:55.635
like no that is

00:46:58.436 --> 00:46:59.838
you you're right to complain

00:47:00.577 --> 00:47:01.778
that's completely normal

00:47:02.059 --> 00:47:03.478
but it is also fine but

00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:05.219
like I don't know like to

00:47:05.260 --> 00:47:06.099
get to the point to even

00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:07.541
raise a concern it feels

00:47:07.621 --> 00:47:09.302
like other people would be

00:47:09.402 --> 00:47:10.601
asking like way earlier or

00:47:10.641 --> 00:47:11.581
would already be like what

00:47:11.621 --> 00:47:13.722
the hell man he's kind of

00:47:13.782 --> 00:47:15.963
like well I've been up for

00:47:15.963 --> 00:47:17.204
14 hours I should probably

00:47:17.344 --> 00:47:18.644
message the lads in the

00:47:18.704 --> 00:47:19.806
group chat and ask if this

00:47:19.905 --> 00:47:22.947
is normal yeah I feel like

00:47:22.967 --> 00:47:23.706
but I have it up for 14 hours

00:47:27.717 --> 00:47:31.981
His contributions to the dad chat are,

00:47:32.882 --> 00:47:33.302
yeah, I mean,

00:47:33.322 --> 00:47:36.184
they're quite considered and, you know,

00:47:36.965 --> 00:47:37.827
last resorty.

00:47:38.047 --> 00:47:40.248
I will be probably more like

00:47:40.510 --> 00:47:41.510
this thing's been crying

00:47:41.550 --> 00:47:42.271
for half an hour.

00:47:42.291 --> 00:47:44.994
Is it neglect if I put it in

00:47:45.034 --> 00:47:45.755
a box outside?

00:47:47.974 --> 00:47:49.596
Yes, is the answer.

00:47:50.115 --> 00:47:51.516
What is the scale of neglect?

00:47:51.576 --> 00:47:53.896
Is there some sort of guidance on this?

00:47:54.177 --> 00:47:57.557
Can I do some research?

00:47:57.898 --> 00:47:58.398
Yeah, I mean,

00:48:00.438 --> 00:48:02.079
when the social worker refers

00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:03.840
you to the police, then it's neglect.

00:48:05.981 --> 00:48:07.822
I did mention we have two security gates.

00:48:10.262 --> 00:48:11.402
Well, assume Australia.

00:48:11.943 --> 00:48:13.523
You must have health visitors and stuff,

00:48:13.603 --> 00:48:13.844
right?

00:48:14.884 --> 00:48:15.784
So with our...

00:48:18.936 --> 00:48:22.077
I don't think they're government spies,

00:48:22.298 --> 00:48:28.021
but we do have the midwives

00:48:28.061 --> 00:48:29.583
we'll be visiting daily, I believe,

00:48:29.603 --> 00:48:30.664
for some time.

00:48:32.144 --> 00:48:33.146
Well, I hate to tell you this,

00:48:33.186 --> 00:48:35.606
but they literally are spies.

00:48:35.626 --> 00:48:37.648
I mean,

00:48:37.708 --> 00:48:39.869
not on you and your house and whatever.

00:48:40.269 --> 00:48:41.331
So I just mean that there's

00:48:41.371 --> 00:48:42.391
a load of stuff they do as

00:48:42.431 --> 00:48:43.952
part of protocol where they'll be like,

00:48:44.152 --> 00:48:46.153
oh, we need to change the nappy now.

00:48:47.273 --> 00:48:48.293
whatever whatever whatever

00:48:48.373 --> 00:48:49.054
and there's a whole bunch

00:48:49.094 --> 00:48:49.894
of things that they make

00:48:49.934 --> 00:48:51.175
you do that are actually

00:48:51.295 --> 00:48:52.516
not for the reason they say

00:48:52.536 --> 00:48:54.056
it is they're all about

00:48:54.496 --> 00:48:55.538
spotting visible signs of

00:48:55.577 --> 00:48:59.440
neglect oh wow yeah well

00:48:59.460 --> 00:49:00.081
because there's all sorts

00:49:00.121 --> 00:49:00.840
of things that people

00:49:01.101 --> 00:49:02.282
people I can't stress this

00:49:02.322 --> 00:49:03.623
enough like from the

00:49:03.663 --> 00:49:04.402
conversation we were having

00:49:04.422 --> 00:49:05.483
earlier like you don't

00:49:05.543 --> 00:49:06.565
sleep much in that first

00:49:06.625 --> 00:49:08.065
bit some people literally

00:49:08.106 --> 00:49:08.826
lose their mind they have

00:49:08.865 --> 00:49:10.047
like psychotic episodes

00:49:10.907 --> 00:49:12.728
like like in olden times

00:49:12.748 --> 00:49:13.889
people you know the shaking

00:49:13.929 --> 00:49:14.909
baby syndrome people would

00:49:14.929 --> 00:49:16.771
just shake a baby till it died like

00:49:18.072 --> 00:49:19.452
Yeah, because they, you know,

00:49:19.753 --> 00:49:20.733
out of frustration, right?

00:49:20.753 --> 00:49:21.793
They can't make it stop.

00:49:22.054 --> 00:49:23.014
Well, they just had like a,

00:49:23.514 --> 00:49:24.195
they literally just had

00:49:24.235 --> 00:49:26.396
like a hysterical episode.

00:49:26.476 --> 00:49:29.719
Like, like there's basically,

00:49:29.739 --> 00:49:30.500
there's all sorts of stuff

00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:31.340
that they're looking for.

00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:32.760
They're looking for your stress level.

00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:33.762
They're looking for like

00:49:34.342 --> 00:49:35.762
postnatal depression in the

00:49:35.842 --> 00:49:36.864
mother and the father.

00:49:36.943 --> 00:49:40.445
They're looking for in some cases, like,

00:49:40.465 --> 00:49:40.686
yeah,

00:49:40.806 --> 00:49:42.626
signs of signs of psychological distress.

00:49:42.646 --> 00:49:43.407
They're also obviously

00:49:43.427 --> 00:49:44.889
looking for any marks on the child,

00:49:44.949 --> 00:49:47.170
any indication that anything's not there.

00:49:47.849 --> 00:49:48.130
you know,

00:49:48.150 --> 00:49:51.050
any indication that you're not

00:49:51.110 --> 00:49:52.590
like on top of changing

00:49:52.650 --> 00:49:54.672
them and dealing with their

00:49:54.711 --> 00:49:56.032
needs and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:49:56.612 --> 00:49:57.331
Because obviously like some

00:49:57.371 --> 00:49:59.413
of it can be like, oh, right.

00:49:59.512 --> 00:49:59.572
It,

00:50:00.773 --> 00:50:02.333
it seems like you are literally

00:50:02.393 --> 00:50:03.333
physically too tired to

00:50:03.373 --> 00:50:04.554
change this nappy correctly.

00:50:04.634 --> 00:50:06.914
Like, um, do you want some help?

00:50:07.675 --> 00:50:08.215
You know, and,

00:50:08.614 --> 00:50:10.074
and it can go all the way from there to,

00:50:10.335 --> 00:50:12.235
it looks like there are

00:50:12.356 --> 00:50:13.876
unexplained marks on this child.

00:50:17.106 --> 00:50:18.967
it's why when if you if your

00:50:19.327 --> 00:50:20.088
child does something at

00:50:20.128 --> 00:50:21.168
home and they like take a

00:50:21.208 --> 00:50:22.869
thump when you go into

00:50:22.909 --> 00:50:24.050
nursery the next day like

00:50:24.070 --> 00:50:24.891
the first thing you should

00:50:24.931 --> 00:50:25.851
say to them and you're told

00:50:25.891 --> 00:50:27.271
to do this by the way so

00:50:27.311 --> 00:50:28.333
this is not like a secret

00:50:29.673 --> 00:50:32.514
thing like they you're told

00:50:32.554 --> 00:50:33.956
to say like oh by the way

00:50:33.996 --> 00:50:35.297
they had a fool yesterday

00:50:35.336 --> 00:50:36.177
they knocked their head or

00:50:36.237 --> 00:50:37.378
whatever like when we were

00:50:37.858 --> 00:50:39.139
by the way Jimmy fell into

00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:40.320
the door seven times during

00:50:40.340 --> 00:50:42.601
the night yeah and if you

00:50:44.463 --> 00:50:45.282
well if they've got a bruise

00:50:45.302 --> 00:50:46.143
you've got to explain it

00:50:46.204 --> 00:50:49.588
right like that's literally

00:50:49.648 --> 00:50:50.389
safeguarding because

00:50:50.409 --> 00:50:51.190
otherwise they do have to

00:50:51.269 --> 00:50:53.552
avoid social services yeah

00:50:54.733 --> 00:50:55.414
I mean probably

00:50:56.362 --> 00:50:58.123
I mean, well, they certainly do here.

00:50:58.222 --> 00:51:00.244
So when little one decided

00:51:00.264 --> 00:51:01.423
to climb out of the bath

00:51:02.184 --> 00:51:03.625
when I was quickly throwing

00:51:03.684 --> 00:51:04.985
one of his nappies in the bin,

00:51:05.985 --> 00:51:08.425
and this was when he was very small,

00:51:08.465 --> 00:51:09.545
he somehow managed to get

00:51:09.666 --> 00:51:11.385
out of the bath in like the

00:51:11.485 --> 00:51:13.646
six seconds just after he

00:51:13.666 --> 00:51:14.467
went to nursery.

00:51:15.047 --> 00:51:16.126
He'd only been there a little while,

00:51:17.186 --> 00:51:20.847
and he had a swollen egg on his head,

00:51:21.307 --> 00:51:22.347
maybe not the size of my fist,

00:51:22.387 --> 00:51:23.449
but it was a big one.

00:51:23.789 --> 00:51:24.588
He had a big bump.

00:51:25.936 --> 00:51:27.317
next day I had to literally

00:51:27.336 --> 00:51:28.998
be like he climbed out the

00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:30.639
bath he climbed out the

00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:31.199
bath they're like he

00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:33.121
climbed out of the bath he

00:51:33.161 --> 00:51:35.563
jumped he's a jumper he's a

00:51:35.603 --> 00:51:36.505
jumper and they were like

00:51:37.626 --> 00:51:38.365
they're like well where's

00:51:38.766 --> 00:51:39.706
they're like oh he's got

00:51:39.746 --> 00:51:40.648
he's got a big bruise and I

00:51:40.668 --> 00:51:41.909
was like yeah I feel here

00:51:42.048 --> 00:51:43.349
and they're like the main

00:51:43.550 --> 00:51:44.891
egg was like underneath his

00:51:44.911 --> 00:51:46.552
hair right here and they

00:51:46.572 --> 00:51:48.554
were like oh yeah he felt

00:51:48.614 --> 00:51:49.594
right in his head and like

00:51:49.655 --> 00:51:50.536
he felt right in his head

00:51:51.117 --> 00:51:52.297
notice the angle

00:51:53.260 --> 00:51:54.701
Notice the angle is

00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:56.202
consistent with my story

00:51:56.561 --> 00:51:57.663
and it'd be very hard.

00:51:57.682 --> 00:51:59.164
It'd be very hard.

00:51:59.224 --> 00:51:59.403
Yeah.

00:51:59.423 --> 00:51:59.623
Yeah.

00:52:01.532 --> 00:52:02.813
You should draw a diagram on

00:52:02.853 --> 00:52:04.713
where that egg is, because as you'll note,

00:52:05.014 --> 00:52:06.873
in order to get an egg in that exact spot,

00:52:06.914 --> 00:52:07.894
he would have to fall from

00:52:07.954 --> 00:52:10.914
roughly a bath height onto a floor.

00:52:11.436 --> 00:52:12.496
And as you can see,

00:52:12.635 --> 00:52:13.835
it's not consistent with

00:52:14.036 --> 00:52:17.257
any kind of striking injury from an adult,

00:52:18.036 --> 00:52:19.137
a piece of furniture that

00:52:19.177 --> 00:52:20.637
was neglectfully left out.

00:52:20.677 --> 00:52:22.777
This is it's really a cut

00:52:22.838 --> 00:52:24.318
and dry case of like this

00:52:24.438 --> 00:52:25.318
couldn't be avoided.

00:52:25.478 --> 00:52:28.059
You know, I can't emphasize that enough.

00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:31.481
um so yeah I left them with

00:52:31.501 --> 00:52:32.501
the with the with the

00:52:32.521 --> 00:52:33.342
little paper the little

00:52:33.382 --> 00:52:34.202
diagram I'd drawn an

00:52:34.302 --> 00:52:35.402
isometric paper which is

00:52:35.463 --> 00:52:37.623
totally not suspicious um

00:52:37.943 --> 00:52:38.824
and then I went about my

00:52:38.864 --> 00:52:41.525
day and then um you know at

00:52:41.565 --> 00:52:42.867
lunchtime when the police

00:52:42.927 --> 00:52:44.146
came over they just

00:52:44.186 --> 00:52:45.047
happened to be passing and

00:52:45.068 --> 00:52:45.788
they thought they'd pop in

00:52:45.807 --> 00:52:47.228
for a cup of tea uh you

00:52:47.248 --> 00:52:48.048
know we had a nice cup of

00:52:48.088 --> 00:52:48.849
tea and they asked some

00:52:48.889 --> 00:52:50.489
questions about you know

00:52:50.530 --> 00:52:51.271
whether or not I was

00:52:51.471 --> 00:52:53.152
dealing dealing it no yeah

00:52:53.172 --> 00:52:54.112
I'm joking of course but

00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:58.603
Imagine that.

00:52:58.623 --> 00:53:01.248
Do you mind offering us a cup of tea?

00:53:01.309 --> 00:53:03.072
And you're like, yeah, come on in.

00:53:03.152 --> 00:53:04.034
What could this be?

00:53:05.085 --> 00:53:06.365
Asked some very pointed

00:53:06.445 --> 00:53:09.007
questions about the angle

00:53:09.347 --> 00:53:11.126
of your bath relative to the floor.

00:53:11.708 --> 00:53:15.307
Wanted to bring up their

00:53:15.829 --> 00:53:16.889
measuring instruments to

00:53:17.009 --> 00:53:18.568
just have a... Very curious

00:53:18.608 --> 00:53:19.248
about this bath.

00:53:19.949 --> 00:53:21.190
Maybe they really want to

00:53:21.230 --> 00:53:22.530
talk about their shitcoin holdings.

00:53:22.610 --> 00:53:23.530
That's the real problem.

00:53:24.510 --> 00:53:25.630
They're like, look,

00:53:26.050 --> 00:53:27.530
we invested heavily in Judo.

00:53:27.550 --> 00:53:28.811
Yeah.

00:53:31.391 --> 00:53:33.112
Everybody said buy Stargaze.

00:53:33.152 --> 00:53:34.692
We bought Juno instead.

00:53:37.052 --> 00:53:39.612
So it will be quite interesting, I think,

00:53:40.112 --> 00:53:43.153
this whole scenario for my

00:53:43.213 --> 00:53:46.295
partner and I being very, like,

00:53:46.815 --> 00:53:50.755
based in training with engineering.

00:53:50.835 --> 00:53:51.815
We're quite mechanical.

00:53:52.996 --> 00:53:55.396
So, you know, everything we do is...

00:53:57.802 --> 00:54:00.445
very analyzed and mechanical.

00:54:01.025 --> 00:54:03.588
It's going to be interesting

00:54:03.608 --> 00:54:05.751
throwing this variable into

00:54:05.771 --> 00:54:10.798
the mix and how we will deal with that.

00:54:11.179 --> 00:54:13.001
There are some things you can manage, like

00:54:14.297 --> 00:54:16.179
you know, infrastructure or whatever.

00:54:16.938 --> 00:54:17.318
Like we,

00:54:17.358 --> 00:54:19.940
we talk about the playbook quite a lot,

00:54:20.001 --> 00:54:20.900
which is that like,

00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:22.762
there's only about when

00:54:22.782 --> 00:54:23.501
they're really young,

00:54:23.541 --> 00:54:24.302
there's only about three

00:54:24.342 --> 00:54:26.302
things that can be like, they're too hot.

00:54:26.523 --> 00:54:27.284
They need to poo.

00:54:27.344 --> 00:54:28.083
They need to eat.

00:54:32.126 --> 00:54:32.925
They need to sleep.

00:54:35.206 --> 00:54:36.068
I guess too cold.

00:54:36.307 --> 00:54:36.527
Right.

00:54:37.128 --> 00:54:38.168
By implication as well.

00:54:38.208 --> 00:54:38.389
Right.

00:54:38.429 --> 00:54:39.188
So five things,

00:54:39.248 --> 00:54:42.891
maybe there's not tons else that can be.

00:54:43.916 --> 00:54:45.438
But the difficulty is that

00:54:45.458 --> 00:54:46.740
the playbook gets bigger

00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:48.483
and fucking bigger as time goes on.

00:54:48.523 --> 00:54:51.168
So by 18 months, it's like,

00:54:52.670 --> 00:54:53.652
when was last nap?

00:54:53.711 --> 00:54:55.795
When was last snack?

00:54:55.855 --> 00:54:57.137
When was last water?

00:54:57.818 --> 00:54:58.898
When was last milk?

00:54:59.784 --> 00:55:01.204
well you know is it savory

00:55:01.244 --> 00:55:02.646
snack or sweet stack are

00:55:02.686 --> 00:55:04.547
they bored do they have

00:55:04.568 --> 00:55:05.668
they been out today is the

00:55:05.728 --> 00:55:07.190
weather bad is have they

00:55:07.269 --> 00:55:10.172
teething are they ill for

00:55:10.231 --> 00:55:11.353
some other reason have they

00:55:11.373 --> 00:55:12.092
picked up something from

00:55:12.132 --> 00:55:14.434
nursery there's like 18

00:55:14.434 --> 00:55:15.114
different things that can

00:55:15.155 --> 00:55:16.195
be so all that happens is

00:55:16.235 --> 00:55:17.257
you're running a playbook

00:55:17.336 --> 00:55:18.358
but the playbook just gets

00:55:18.418 --> 00:55:19.878
longer all the time and

00:55:19.898 --> 00:55:21.599
you're trying to intuit from uh

00:55:25.938 --> 00:55:26.760
you know there's that thing

00:55:26.780 --> 00:55:28.802
they always say with um you

00:55:28.842 --> 00:55:29.362
know there's like

00:55:29.483 --> 00:55:30.643
investment ads you get on

00:55:30.684 --> 00:55:32.144
youtube for like etoro or

00:55:32.184 --> 00:55:33.786
whatever and they're like

00:55:34.628 --> 00:55:35.668
past performance is no

00:55:35.708 --> 00:55:37.030
predictor of future results

00:55:37.490 --> 00:55:38.210
invest at your own

00:55:38.251 --> 00:55:41.213
discretion like kids are

00:55:41.253 --> 00:55:42.896
like the absolute

00:55:42.936 --> 00:55:44.338
definition of past

00:55:44.378 --> 00:55:45.619
performance is no

00:55:45.778 --> 00:55:47.681
indication of future results like

00:55:49.086 --> 00:55:49.666
Just because they do

00:55:49.706 --> 00:55:51.208
something a hundred times for some reason,

00:55:51.228 --> 00:55:53.009
the next time you're like, you're like,

00:55:53.208 --> 00:55:53.289
ah,

00:55:53.670 --> 00:55:55.130
this is the noise they make when they

00:55:55.150 --> 00:55:57.371
specifically want a bit of orange.

00:55:57.431 --> 00:55:58.112
Well, that's great.

00:55:58.152 --> 00:55:59.012
Cause I was going to have an

00:55:59.052 --> 00:55:59.632
orange anyway.

00:55:59.952 --> 00:56:01.934
So you can have a quarter of my orange.

00:56:02.054 --> 00:56:02.574
That's great.

00:56:02.775 --> 00:56:03.476
I'm going to be happy.

00:56:03.536 --> 00:56:04.255
You're going to be happy.

00:56:04.675 --> 00:56:05.836
You hand over the orange and

00:56:05.856 --> 00:56:07.538
they literally crush it in

00:56:07.557 --> 00:56:08.818
their palm and throw it on

00:56:08.858 --> 00:56:10.639
the floor and then resume crying.

00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:13.681
And you're like, well, that wasn't it.

00:56:14.802 --> 00:56:15.742
What just happened?

00:56:16.262 --> 00:56:17.684
This has always worked.

00:56:18.429 --> 00:56:20.452
This has always, this was your thing.

00:56:20.552 --> 00:56:22.875
This is, you made the orange noise.

00:56:23.255 --> 00:56:24.335
I gave you the orange.

00:56:25.637 --> 00:56:26.659
What?

00:56:28.740 --> 00:56:28.981
What?

00:56:29.802 --> 00:56:30.182
Meanwhile,

00:56:30.242 --> 00:56:31.443
you're out a quarter of an orange.

00:56:32.942 --> 00:56:33.461
You know what?

00:56:33.521 --> 00:56:35.141
The worst thing is when,

00:56:35.382 --> 00:56:36.643
if you're like out and about,

00:56:37.023 --> 00:56:37.722
especially when they're at

00:56:37.742 --> 00:56:39.063
this age and you can be out

00:56:39.083 --> 00:56:39.702
and about like,

00:56:40.202 --> 00:56:41.923
and you have only one thing

00:56:42.184 --> 00:56:43.744
of a thing that you also

00:56:43.824 --> 00:56:45.923
like and you give them part of it.

00:56:46.364 --> 00:56:47.445
And it turns out you were

00:56:47.625 --> 00:56:48.844
wrong about what they

00:56:48.885 --> 00:56:49.864
wanted and they're not

00:56:49.945 --> 00:56:51.625
hungry or they specifically

00:56:51.664 --> 00:56:52.905
don't want that thing or whatever.

00:56:52.925 --> 00:56:55.045
And they just throw it on the floor.

00:56:55.646 --> 00:56:56.585
Like it's nothing.

00:56:56.626 --> 00:56:59.387
And you're like, dude,

00:56:59.427 --> 00:57:00.567
that was the last one.

00:57:01.536 --> 00:57:02.396
It was literally the last...

00:57:02.577 --> 00:57:03.476
I would have eaten that.

00:57:04.197 --> 00:57:05.599
That was mine, man.

00:57:05.699 --> 00:57:07.400
Yeah, you were just like... I wanted that.

00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:09.181
Now we're both unhappy.

00:57:09.201 --> 00:57:11.623
And all I wanted... I was

00:57:11.663 --> 00:57:13.844
sacrificing my happiness

00:57:14.063 --> 00:57:15.125
for you to be happy.

00:57:15.704 --> 00:57:17.085
And now we're both unhappy.

00:57:17.106 --> 00:57:18.407
I mean,

00:57:18.447 --> 00:57:21.568
maybe like... Maybe that's actually

00:57:21.628 --> 00:57:22.829
making him happy.

00:57:22.849 --> 00:57:25.592
He's feeding on your unhappy energy.

00:57:26.052 --> 00:57:27.512
Well, I...

00:57:28.715 --> 00:57:30.476
my 18 month old is,

00:57:30.735 --> 00:57:32.476
is heading towards two and

00:57:32.576 --> 00:57:34.536
has started doing naughty

00:57:34.617 --> 00:57:37.717
things to test the limits.

00:57:37.998 --> 00:57:39.297
And so quite on purpose.

00:57:39.637 --> 00:57:41.038
In fact, we,

00:57:41.438 --> 00:57:43.358
we have had our first few

00:57:44.219 --> 00:57:45.719
things of something like that,

00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:47.820
where I will be like

00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:49.061
literally sharing my lunch

00:57:49.121 --> 00:57:49.940
or my sandwich.

00:57:50.661 --> 00:57:52.041
And then we'll get a throw

00:57:52.101 --> 00:57:53.601
on the floor followed by

00:57:53.621 --> 00:57:55.362
hysterical laughter.

00:57:57.182 --> 00:57:57.963
And it's like, ah,

00:57:59.509 --> 00:58:01.871
oh, we are stuck on a train, man,

00:58:01.891 --> 00:58:03.572
and that's our only food.

00:58:04.172 --> 00:58:05.333
Why have you done this?

00:58:06.393 --> 00:58:07.635
Sounds like the thing of nightmares.

00:58:07.655 --> 00:58:09.175
I mean,

00:58:09.335 --> 00:58:10.536
you've got to have a sense of humor

00:58:10.576 --> 00:58:10.936
about it.

00:58:13.277 --> 00:58:15.199
So Ben Davis says,

00:58:15.219 --> 00:58:17.740
I imagine Nell referring to

00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:19.762
the baby as the variable

00:58:20.003 --> 00:58:20.822
until it becomes

00:58:20.943 --> 00:58:22.925
predictable enough for a name.

00:58:23.585 --> 00:58:25.005
Funnily enough, we have...

00:58:26.925 --> 00:58:28.726
been searching for a name

00:58:29.206 --> 00:58:31.967
and um the way we go about

00:58:32.047 --> 00:58:34.608
it is my partner considers

00:58:35.027 --> 00:58:37.509
a lot of names uh writes

00:58:37.588 --> 00:58:38.608
them into the notebook

00:58:39.369 --> 00:58:41.230
which I then read later and

00:58:41.250 --> 00:58:42.789
put lines through so it's a

00:58:42.829 --> 00:58:45.911
fun game we play you've not

00:58:45.951 --> 00:58:47.311
got long left to decide

00:58:49.851 --> 00:58:51.152
yeah I mean I feel like you

00:58:51.172 --> 00:58:52.132
know it might just come to

00:58:52.172 --> 00:58:53.552
me when we when we see it

00:58:53.572 --> 00:58:55.594
and be like oh this is appalled

00:58:57.753 --> 00:58:58.375
Just like a name?

00:58:59.094 --> 00:58:59.755
Or a Terry.

00:59:00.155 --> 00:59:01.157
Yeah.

00:59:01.856 --> 00:59:03.478
Jesus Christ, don't call it a Terry.

00:59:04.298 --> 00:59:06.000
I mean, I'm just saying words now.

00:59:06.179 --> 00:59:08.762
It'd have to be pre-vetted

00:59:08.802 --> 00:59:09.802
in the list and not got to

00:59:09.822 --> 00:59:10.382
cross through it.

00:59:10.623 --> 00:59:13.505
Yeah, I don't know about Australia,

00:59:13.545 --> 00:59:16.648
but also I had to go

00:59:16.708 --> 00:59:19.050
register the birth and just

00:59:19.110 --> 00:59:20.411
as I was going out the door,

00:59:21.271 --> 00:59:22.711
my wife's like, hey,

00:59:23.753 --> 00:59:25.954
remember that if you put

00:59:26.784 --> 00:59:29.786
a joke name it costs 200

00:59:29.786 --> 00:59:31.907
pounds to change it and

00:59:31.927 --> 00:59:33.047
then for the rest of their

00:59:33.146 --> 00:59:34.728
life whenever there's an

00:59:34.768 --> 00:59:36.289
official document and it

00:59:36.369 --> 00:59:38.090
says have you ever been

00:59:38.130 --> 00:59:39.329
known by any other names

00:59:39.911 --> 00:59:40.971
they're gonna have to fill

00:59:41.010 --> 00:59:42.552
that in with your joke name

00:59:43.172 --> 00:59:44.853
and over time that means

00:59:44.913 --> 00:59:46.014
they will come to love you

00:59:46.094 --> 00:59:50.635
less jesus at the end

00:59:51.541 --> 00:59:53.284
Yeah, I was like, okay, fair point.

00:59:53.844 --> 00:59:54.786
Fair point, well made.

00:59:55.286 --> 00:59:56.989
I'm not going to put Maximus

00:59:57.009 --> 00:59:57.889
Decimus Meridius.

00:59:59.170 --> 01:00:00.172
Oh, that's a nice name though.

01:00:00.793 --> 01:00:01.153
It's good.

01:00:02.556 --> 01:00:04.637
I did tell some of my

01:00:04.677 --> 01:00:05.699
friends from university

01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:07.380
where he was born.

01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:09.844
I put a picture and I was like,

01:00:09.884 --> 01:00:10.945
welcome baby Primus.

01:00:12.557 --> 01:00:14.559
And some of them genuinely

01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:18.159
believed that I had called,

01:00:18.539 --> 01:00:23.181
I called the baby Primus my first board.

01:00:23.201 --> 01:00:25.882
Um, which I don't know.

01:00:25.902 --> 01:00:28.422
I feel like on the one hand, I love that.

01:00:28.802 --> 01:00:30.003
I apparently am credit.

01:00:30.143 --> 01:00:32.443
I I'm credible enough that I

01:00:32.503 --> 01:00:33.784
can say something like that

01:00:33.804 --> 01:00:34.603
and people will believe me.

01:00:34.943 --> 01:00:35.583
On the other hand,

01:00:35.963 --> 01:00:36.925
I think it might reflect

01:00:37.005 --> 01:00:38.925
worse on me that they think

01:00:38.985 --> 01:00:40.025
I'm the kind of person that

01:00:40.045 --> 01:00:41.505
would call the baby Primus.

01:00:47.505 --> 01:00:48.987
The SERP is back with us for

01:00:49.047 --> 01:00:49.628
the listeners.

01:00:51.010 --> 01:00:51.670
You're talking names?

01:00:52.612 --> 01:00:53.413
Yeah.

01:00:53.572 --> 01:00:55.315
SERP's finished is very important.

01:00:55.375 --> 01:00:56.155
Biggest regrets?

01:00:56.617 --> 01:00:58.778
Biggest regret?

01:00:58.800 --> 01:00:58.940
Names?

01:01:03.822 --> 01:01:05.362
no regrets we were just

01:01:05.382 --> 01:01:07.304
saying that uh so me and my

01:01:07.344 --> 01:01:08.505
partner haven't chosen a

01:01:08.545 --> 01:01:10.487
name yet uh we're sort of

01:01:10.527 --> 01:01:11.648
going through the process

01:01:11.728 --> 01:01:13.048
of her suggesting names and

01:01:13.090 --> 01:01:13.909
me shooting them down

01:01:13.969 --> 01:01:16.371
miserably yeah um through

01:01:16.391 --> 01:01:18.873
the notebook uh and you

01:01:18.893 --> 01:01:19.835
know surely this is gonna

01:01:19.875 --> 01:01:21.516
be like that um you know

01:01:21.536 --> 01:01:22.697
the meme where it's just

01:01:22.757 --> 01:01:23.938
like it's the kid in the

01:01:23.978 --> 01:01:26.139
car with his dad and she's

01:01:26.179 --> 01:01:28.802
like dad why is my sister called rose

01:01:29.987 --> 01:01:31.547
oh that simple son that's

01:01:31.608 --> 01:01:32.668
because your mother's

01:01:32.768 --> 01:01:34.670
favorite flower is a rose

01:01:36.092 --> 01:01:37.373
oh right that makes sense

01:01:37.413 --> 01:01:39.494
dad thanks no problem

01:01:39.614 --> 01:01:43.836
welcome to the jungle uh we

01:01:43.856 --> 01:01:44.657
did we did the same thing

01:01:44.677 --> 01:01:45.538
we had we had a list of

01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:47.019
names and then I think our

01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:48.179
first born we didn't we

01:01:48.219 --> 01:01:49.101
didn't name they were

01:01:49.240 --> 01:01:51.023
actually we were getting

01:01:51.063 --> 01:01:52.302
ready to leave the hospital

01:01:52.704 --> 01:01:53.603
and they were like you have

01:01:53.643 --> 01:01:54.204
to give us a name

01:01:55.150 --> 01:01:56.431
Like it took us, it took us,

01:01:56.652 --> 01:01:58.833
it took us at least two or

01:01:58.873 --> 01:02:00.835
three days to like actually

01:02:00.894 --> 01:02:01.996
have them and like figure

01:02:02.016 --> 01:02:02.596
it all out and all that

01:02:02.635 --> 01:02:03.617
kind of stuff to figure it out.

01:02:04.597 --> 01:02:05.798
And then for our second,

01:02:05.838 --> 01:02:08.119
we knew as soon as we saw him, like we,

01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:09.501
we had, we had some names picked out.

01:02:09.541 --> 01:02:10.262
And as soon as we saw him,

01:02:10.282 --> 01:02:11.182
we knew which one we both,

01:02:11.262 --> 01:02:12.182
we both said at the same time,

01:02:12.222 --> 01:02:13.003
like we knew which we knew

01:02:13.023 --> 01:02:14.344
we like this kid is definitely a,

01:02:14.864 --> 01:02:15.204
a whatever.

01:02:15.985 --> 01:02:16.726
And you know what?

01:02:16.746 --> 01:02:18.307
My only advice, my only advice.

01:02:18.347 --> 01:02:20.108
Rabban Harkonnen, by the way,

01:02:20.188 --> 01:02:22.190
for the listeners, that was the, the name,

01:02:22.231 --> 01:02:23.751
the name Rabban Harkonnen.

01:02:24.501 --> 01:02:26.282
My, my only advice is always to like,

01:02:26.302 --> 01:02:27.224
you're not naming the kid,

01:02:27.244 --> 01:02:28.164
you're naming the adult.

01:02:28.204 --> 01:02:29.885
Like we have some, like we,

01:02:29.905 --> 01:02:32.347
we get these names, um,

01:02:33.827 --> 01:02:36.030
that like with wise instead

01:02:36.070 --> 01:02:38.150
of eyes or like an X in

01:02:38.170 --> 01:02:39.853
there and all this shit.

01:02:39.893 --> 01:02:43.014
And I think parents name kids as kids,

01:02:43.054 --> 01:02:44.195
like they name in the baby.

01:02:44.896 --> 01:02:45.737
And so they, they,

01:02:45.757 --> 01:02:46.697
they use that name and they,

01:02:46.876 --> 01:02:47.818
they think about a kid,

01:02:47.978 --> 01:02:49.059
like a four year old, right?

01:02:49.438 --> 01:02:51.059
Oh, it's like a little baby, this right.

01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:52.661
And like, it's adorable.

01:02:52.702 --> 01:02:53.362
It's fucking adorable.

01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:54.760
But they get older, right?

01:02:54.820 --> 01:02:55.981
And then they're a grandpa

01:02:57.503 --> 01:02:58.302
with a name with two

01:02:58.382 --> 01:03:00.005
fucking Ys in it or a Z

01:03:00.045 --> 01:03:01.445
because they don't want to use a TKS.

01:03:02.226 --> 01:03:02.626
And it's like,

01:03:02.746 --> 01:03:04.088
it's Grandpa Jackson with

01:03:04.148 --> 01:03:05.108
two Xs in his name.

01:03:05.128 --> 01:03:06.708
You're like, what the fuck, man?

01:03:07.269 --> 01:03:08.710
So always remember,

01:03:08.751 --> 01:03:10.052
you're not naming a child.

01:03:10.072 --> 01:03:11.112
You're naming an adult.

01:03:11.793 --> 01:03:13.755
Paul Bost has been fucking

01:03:13.835 --> 01:03:15.615
spelling that shit for 80 years.

01:03:15.835 --> 01:03:16.556
There's a ton of,

01:03:16.576 --> 01:03:17.677
there's a ton of kids like that.

01:03:17.737 --> 01:03:17.876
Like,

01:03:18.117 --> 01:03:20.659
like we have a ton in our family as well.

01:03:21.699 --> 01:03:23.380
And elsewhere that we know that like,

01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:24.300
I'm like, you're naming,

01:03:24.561 --> 01:03:25.521
they're naming babies.

01:03:25.581 --> 01:03:26.161
Like they're naming them

01:03:26.181 --> 01:03:27.262
like they're like they're pets.

01:03:27.862 --> 01:03:28.023
Right.

01:03:29.224 --> 01:03:29.985
Not like some,

01:03:30.525 --> 01:03:31.385
somebody who's going to grow

01:03:31.425 --> 01:03:33.387
up and have a family of their own.

01:03:33.447 --> 01:03:34.166
And like, you know,

01:03:34.487 --> 01:03:36.289
the 80 with a name with two

01:03:36.389 --> 01:03:37.929
X's in it and a Y instead

01:03:37.949 --> 01:03:38.650
of an I and shit.

01:03:38.670 --> 01:03:40.710
Like, like just like, you know,

01:03:40.831 --> 01:03:42.391
think of stick down the line a little bit,

01:03:42.431 --> 01:03:43.072
like on some of these.

01:03:43.532 --> 01:03:45.494
I feel like you're targeting

01:03:45.673 --> 01:03:46.393
Elon right now.

01:03:47.375 --> 01:03:47.715
I don't mind.

01:03:48.034 --> 01:03:48.615
I don't mind that name.

01:03:48.675 --> 01:03:49.175
That name's fine.

01:03:49.195 --> 01:03:49.856
I don't mind that name.

01:03:49.876 --> 01:03:52.657
No, I mean,

01:03:52.757 --> 01:03:54.378
his kids' names is like fucking.

01:03:54.518 --> 01:03:55.719
Oh, yeah.

01:03:55.998 --> 01:03:56.438
Yeah.

01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:57.179
That was like,

01:03:57.300 --> 01:03:58.119
was that Michael Jackson

01:03:58.139 --> 01:03:58.900
started all that shit too?

01:03:58.940 --> 01:04:00.181
Didn't he start with that?

01:04:00.721 --> 01:04:02.061
Right.

01:04:02.322 --> 01:04:02.762
Zappa.

01:04:03.382 --> 01:04:04.382
You know, Frank Zappa.

01:04:04.503 --> 01:04:05.804
You need a Zappa, right?

01:04:06.192 --> 01:04:07.813
moon unit yeah moon unit I

01:04:07.853 --> 01:04:08.693
feel like that's just

01:04:08.773 --> 01:04:09.855
natural for people who are

01:04:09.875 --> 01:04:11.436
a bit fucking extra yeah

01:04:11.456 --> 01:04:12.896
just like yeah I don't

01:04:12.916 --> 01:04:14.177
think weird names is so

01:04:14.217 --> 01:04:15.659
much I think maybe I'm

01:04:15.860 --> 01:04:16.599
maybe I'm not I'm not

01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:18.001
really down on like weird

01:04:18.041 --> 01:04:18.802
names like that I think I'm

01:04:18.842 --> 01:04:20.302
down like spelling that

01:04:20.483 --> 01:04:22.804
cutesy cutesy weird shit

01:04:23.224 --> 01:04:24.286
yeah I think I'm just down

01:04:24.306 --> 01:04:25.487
on shitty spelling like

01:04:25.547 --> 01:04:26.648
just the I don't know maybe

01:04:26.668 --> 01:04:28.550
it's that I don't jackson's

01:04:28.570 --> 01:04:31.032
a nice name but two x's and

01:04:31.052 --> 01:04:32.632
a fucking I don't know whatever

01:04:34.809 --> 01:04:36.572
So you've got some questions in the chat.

01:04:36.592 --> 01:04:36.851
No.

01:04:37.652 --> 01:04:39.094
Ben Davis says Jacob.

01:04:40.577 --> 01:04:41.117
Oh, yeah.

01:04:41.177 --> 01:04:41.358
Fuck.

01:04:41.398 --> 01:04:41.599
Yeah.

01:04:43.300 --> 01:04:45.282
Rama says Maverick.

01:04:46.925 --> 01:04:48.708
We have a Maverick in our family.

01:04:49.403 --> 01:04:52.365
really no like yeah not one

01:04:52.405 --> 01:04:53.907
that you know no no not not

01:04:53.947 --> 01:04:55.449
like our extended extended

01:04:55.469 --> 01:04:57.030
family adjacent yeah yeah

01:04:57.670 --> 01:04:59.851
not not spelled like that

01:05:00.072 --> 01:05:03.173
spelled worse he's gonna

01:05:03.253 --> 01:05:07.958
whine it uh beast I don't

01:05:07.998 --> 01:05:09.117
know if you can have two

01:05:09.157 --> 01:05:11.059
words is the first name the beast

01:05:12.016 --> 01:05:13.416
or or is it like you know

01:05:13.496 --> 01:05:15.077
rap when you put it in uh

01:05:15.418 --> 01:05:18.639
quotes can you do that then

01:05:18.659 --> 01:05:20.501
so ben davis says that joe

01:05:20.541 --> 01:05:21.681
strummer's daughter's name

01:05:21.740 --> 01:05:24.262
is jazz like that's a nice

01:05:24.302 --> 01:05:26.003
name but I know I was gonna

01:05:26.043 --> 01:05:26.824
say the thing is though

01:05:26.864 --> 01:05:29.485
jazz is very um it's a very

01:05:29.565 --> 01:05:31.045
boring name for me because

01:05:31.065 --> 01:05:32.327
a lot of sikhs are called

01:05:32.367 --> 01:05:33.246
jazz they're called

01:05:33.286 --> 01:05:36.268
jasminder and so yes call

01:05:36.309 --> 01:05:38.150
themselves jazz and so it's like uh

01:05:39.427 --> 01:05:40.027
It's like, oh, yeah,

01:05:40.047 --> 01:05:41.449
it's a completely normal day,

01:05:41.469 --> 01:05:43.409
but it's not that normal, Frey.

01:05:45.690 --> 01:05:46.192
Holy shit,

01:05:46.311 --> 01:05:48.393
I met somebody the other day called Frey.

01:05:48.413 --> 01:05:52.614
I know Ethan Frey, obviously,

01:05:53.115 --> 01:05:55.637
but it was their first name, as in,

01:05:55.677 --> 01:05:57.838
I guess, the Norse god Frey, right?

01:05:59.418 --> 01:06:00.440
But they weren't called Frey,

01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:01.440
they were called Frey.

01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:05.242
And they were like, hi, I'm Frey.

01:06:05.262 --> 01:06:06.802
And I was like, I'm the Frey.

01:06:07.382 --> 01:06:07.903
And they were like...

01:06:09.161 --> 01:06:09.820
They're like, what?

01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:11.481
And I was like, oh, my handle's The Fray.

01:06:11.561 --> 01:06:12.702
I've been known by that

01:06:12.742 --> 01:06:14.222
since I was 14 years old.

01:06:15.402 --> 01:06:16.603
What are you, a fucking teapot?

01:06:18.143 --> 01:06:18.342
Yeah.

01:06:19.204 --> 01:06:19.784
They were just like, no,

01:06:20.603 --> 01:06:22.244
this is my real name.

01:06:23.144 --> 01:06:23.844
Yeah.

01:06:23.905 --> 01:06:26.686
Yeah, it's like, this is my real name.

01:06:26.726 --> 01:06:27.445
That's just your handle.

01:06:28.166 --> 01:06:28.445
Fuck off.

01:06:28.465 --> 01:06:29.465
They were lovely.

01:06:29.485 --> 01:06:30.525
They were a very nice person.

01:06:30.545 --> 01:06:30.806
But yeah.

01:06:37.250 --> 01:06:38.030
probably should have kept

01:06:38.050 --> 01:06:39.170
that one an inside thought

01:06:39.251 --> 01:06:40.492
actually that's another one

01:06:40.532 --> 01:06:41.032
of the things that

01:06:41.052 --> 01:06:42.032
parenthood will do to you

01:06:42.612 --> 01:06:43.452
sometimes your inside

01:06:43.492 --> 01:06:45.273
thoughts come out to people

01:06:45.313 --> 01:06:46.574
in conversation it's like

01:06:47.215 --> 01:06:48.335
come out to play yay yeah

01:06:49.297 --> 01:06:50.036
no pressure though you're

01:06:50.056 --> 01:06:51.458
just giving somebody some

01:06:51.617 --> 01:06:52.619
new human their identity

01:06:52.659 --> 01:06:53.739
for their whole lives so

01:06:53.938 --> 01:06:55.039
like no pressure like don't

01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:56.059
just like don't think about

01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:57.041
that too much the way that

01:06:58.541 --> 01:06:59.382
they'll just be identified

01:06:59.402 --> 01:07:00.163
by that name that you're

01:07:00.182 --> 01:07:01.864
just throwing around you

01:07:01.903 --> 01:07:04.664
know I don't feel pressure

01:07:04.684 --> 01:07:06.065
in the way other people feel pressure

01:07:08.106 --> 01:07:08.485
To be fair,

01:07:08.505 --> 01:07:09.485
I know quite a few people that

01:07:09.505 --> 01:07:10.505
have just changed their names.

01:07:10.606 --> 01:07:12.827
So, you know, if you really screw up,

01:07:13.067 --> 01:07:13.927
they can just deal with

01:07:13.967 --> 01:07:15.067
that shit later in life.

01:07:15.507 --> 01:07:16.067
They'll still hate you.

01:07:16.927 --> 01:07:18.327
Yeah, of course.

01:07:18.768 --> 01:07:19.108
I mean,

01:07:19.268 --> 01:07:20.788
the chances of them hating you

01:07:20.887 --> 01:07:22.329
is... Just don't give them

01:07:22.369 --> 01:07:24.248
a name they can be bullied for in school.

01:07:25.528 --> 01:07:26.768
I feel like these days,

01:07:27.550 --> 01:07:28.809
the chances of your kids

01:07:29.030 --> 01:07:32.110
not hating you is, like, pretty small.

01:07:32.130 --> 01:07:33.090
Yeah, it's pretty small.

01:07:33.710 --> 01:07:34.710
Over the course of time.

01:07:36.161 --> 01:07:37.061
Not long-term.

01:07:37.161 --> 01:07:38.543
They always hate you when

01:07:38.563 --> 01:07:40.403
they're a teenager because

01:07:40.543 --> 01:07:43.166
that's literally developmentally certain.

01:07:43.286 --> 01:07:45.128
By the time you're 20,

01:07:45.128 --> 01:07:45.907
you're going to be watching

01:07:45.947 --> 01:07:47.148
sports or whatever together.

01:07:47.630 --> 01:07:49.610
It'll be no big deal.

01:07:49.771 --> 01:07:50.070
Honestly,

01:07:50.090 --> 01:07:51.271
as soon as they start borrowing your car,

01:07:51.371 --> 01:07:52.432
they're like best friends.

01:07:53.393 --> 01:07:53.693
Yeah.

01:07:55.655 --> 01:07:56.195
What do you need?

01:07:56.516 --> 01:07:57.197
What can I do for you?

01:07:57.536 --> 01:08:00.119
By the way, can I borrow your car?

01:08:00.378 --> 01:08:01.239
I don't know, man.

01:08:01.300 --> 01:08:02.139
Can you buy me some beer?

01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:02.800
Saturday night.

01:08:04.980 --> 01:08:06.300
You need to buy beer.

01:08:06.340 --> 01:08:07.021
It's Australia.

01:08:07.041 --> 01:08:08.922
I assume you just fucking have it.

01:08:08.943 --> 01:08:10.385
It doesn't grow on trees.

01:08:10.864 --> 01:08:12.786
It just materializes in the fridge.

01:08:13.606 --> 01:08:15.047
Yeah, yeah.

01:08:15.248 --> 01:08:17.170
It's a feature of Aussie fridges.

01:08:17.270 --> 01:08:19.091
It just materializes beer over time.

01:08:21.453 --> 01:08:23.416
yeah I can never understand

01:08:23.475 --> 01:08:24.938
why I used to get served

01:08:25.118 --> 01:08:26.238
for alcohol when I was like

01:08:26.259 --> 01:08:27.720
literally as soon as I had

01:08:27.739 --> 01:08:29.421
my growth spurt I was over

01:08:29.481 --> 01:08:31.404
six foot tall and I still

01:08:31.444 --> 01:08:32.985
couldn't grow like a single

01:08:33.006 --> 01:08:34.827
hair on my face but I

01:08:34.908 --> 01:08:35.768
suddenly could get served

01:08:35.787 --> 01:08:37.050
for booze it was like great

01:08:37.149 --> 01:08:38.730
right phrasing one buying

01:08:39.532 --> 01:08:40.233
no worries sorted

01:08:41.658 --> 01:08:42.819
And as I got older, I was like,

01:08:43.118 --> 01:08:45.720
I fucking looked like a child back then.

01:08:46.100 --> 01:08:47.140
How the hell do I get served?

01:08:47.201 --> 01:08:48.322
And then I went to college

01:08:48.841 --> 01:08:50.622
and I met some guys who, by this point,

01:08:50.643 --> 01:08:52.564
were like 20 years old or whatever.

01:08:52.583 --> 01:08:54.324
And they literally couldn't

01:08:54.364 --> 01:08:55.286
grow a single hair of

01:08:55.525 --> 01:08:56.466
facial hair on their face

01:08:56.487 --> 01:08:58.568
or whatever and blah, blah, blah.

01:08:58.608 --> 01:09:00.809
And I was like, okay,

01:09:00.828 --> 01:09:01.510
there are literally some

01:09:01.529 --> 01:09:03.591
people who are like mid-20s,

01:09:03.751 --> 01:09:05.412
then ultimately in middle 20s,

01:09:05.551 --> 01:09:08.197
and they look like 14.

01:09:08.197 --> 01:09:10.217
Yeah, I'm still there, struggling.

01:09:10.238 --> 01:09:13.557
Yeah, yeah, yeah, difficult.

01:09:13.677 --> 01:09:15.059
Somebody asked at the top of the show,

01:09:15.099 --> 01:09:15.798
what's with the beard?

01:09:15.838 --> 01:09:16.838
Have you been on Walkabout,

01:09:16.918 --> 01:09:19.119
or is it just the moving in, unpacking?

01:09:20.420 --> 01:09:22.020
Man, I just, you know,

01:09:22.860 --> 01:09:24.381
can't find my fucking clippers.

01:09:27.782 --> 01:09:29.402
Because it's not even like a beard,

01:09:29.462 --> 01:09:30.542
it's a bit of a cry for help,

01:09:30.703 --> 01:09:31.262
because it's like...

01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:35.681
You've got the Linux neck

01:09:35.743 --> 01:09:36.703
beard and everything.

01:09:36.783 --> 01:09:38.243
Even when I've got the big beard,

01:09:38.304 --> 01:09:39.564
I always get rid of the neck beard.

01:09:39.604 --> 01:09:40.886
You can't have the neck beard, man.

01:09:41.065 --> 01:09:41.766
You've got to have some...

01:09:44.167 --> 01:09:45.168
It's not a legit beard

01:09:45.208 --> 01:09:46.890
unless you've got the neck beard.

01:09:47.109 --> 01:09:49.452
No, but you work on Linux systems.

01:09:49.471 --> 01:09:50.773
You can't have the neck beard.

01:09:51.313 --> 01:09:53.074
It's the only place where

01:09:53.114 --> 01:09:54.716
the hair grows in such a

01:09:54.775 --> 01:09:56.216
density that it looks like a beard.

01:09:56.476 --> 01:09:57.738
The rest of it is just like...

01:09:59.314 --> 01:10:01.296
Fucking pubis scatimus

01:10:02.056 --> 01:10:03.978
across the landscape.

01:10:04.018 --> 01:10:04.858
That is my face.

01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:09.100
So on movie chat,

01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:10.662
have either of you seen Cocaine Bear?

01:10:12.002 --> 01:10:12.162
No.

01:10:12.283 --> 01:10:12.502
What?

01:10:12.962 --> 01:10:13.222
No.

01:10:14.083 --> 01:10:15.345
Cocaine Bear.

01:10:15.685 --> 01:10:16.364
Cocaine Bear.

01:10:17.206 --> 01:10:19.747
Is that a children's fucking cartoon?

01:10:20.547 --> 01:10:23.208
No, it's a horror.

01:10:23.649 --> 01:10:25.570
It's kind of like a horror film, I guess.

01:10:33.899 --> 01:10:35.921
silence means that no one

01:10:35.962 --> 01:10:38.283
has fucking seen it uh yeah

01:10:39.024 --> 01:10:40.947
it's entertaining past the

01:10:40.966 --> 01:10:45.610
time um uh I did actually I

01:10:45.631 --> 01:10:49.394
think I may have seen it so

01:10:49.595 --> 01:10:50.855
james said in the in the

01:10:50.895 --> 01:10:53.658
chat says horror comedy is

01:10:53.698 --> 01:10:55.560
the classification based

01:10:55.619 --> 01:10:57.442
very loosely on a true story

01:10:58.863 --> 01:11:01.484
Yeah, so they do make quite a bit of that,

01:11:01.585 --> 01:11:02.064
actually.

01:11:02.484 --> 01:11:03.485
They're like,

01:11:03.666 --> 01:11:05.067
this is based on a true story.

01:11:05.908 --> 01:11:09.029
So I think once upon a time,

01:11:09.050 --> 01:11:13.953
a dead bear was found with

01:11:14.033 --> 01:11:15.453
cocaine in its stomach,

01:11:16.434 --> 01:11:17.614
like a brick of cocaine.

01:11:18.114 --> 01:11:20.396
And I think it died of a cocaine overdose.

01:11:22.018 --> 01:11:22.578
You know,

01:11:23.057 --> 01:11:25.399
I did watch this movie some time ago.

01:11:25.420 --> 01:11:27.280
I don't feel like it's a recent one.

01:11:30.332 --> 01:11:30.814
but yeah,

01:11:30.974 --> 01:11:33.474
I do think I did watch it and it

01:11:33.514 --> 01:11:35.774
was a very B grade, which was great.

01:11:36.755 --> 01:11:36.895
Yeah.

01:11:36.914 --> 01:11:40.235
It was just like very kind of very violent,

01:11:40.376 --> 01:11:41.796
gory, you know?

01:11:42.997 --> 01:11:43.237
Yeah.

01:11:44.037 --> 01:11:45.518
Definitely like, wasn't quite.

01:11:45.637 --> 01:11:46.997
Is that the one that starts

01:11:47.158 --> 01:11:49.019
out where the cocaine is

01:11:49.139 --> 01:11:50.519
distributed amongst the

01:11:50.599 --> 01:11:52.359
bush from an airplane crash?

01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:52.619
Yeah.

01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:53.399
Yeah.

01:11:53.460 --> 01:11:54.921
Yeah.

01:11:55.060 --> 01:11:55.940
I do recall it now.

01:11:57.703 --> 01:11:58.725
I was kind of expecting it

01:11:58.744 --> 01:12:01.346
to be a comedy when I went to, I mean,

01:12:01.386 --> 01:12:01.766
it kind of,

01:12:02.207 --> 01:12:03.229
some of those movies are

01:12:03.309 --> 01:12:04.609
fucking so bad that they

01:12:04.649 --> 01:12:05.591
kind of are comedies.

01:12:06.211 --> 01:12:06.490
Yeah.

01:12:06.511 --> 01:12:07.771
But I felt like it wasn't,

01:12:09.234 --> 01:12:11.215
it wasn't like it was trying to be bad,

01:12:11.555 --> 01:12:12.676
but it wasn't like trying

01:12:12.737 --> 01:12:14.478
to be great either.

01:12:14.738 --> 01:12:15.179
It was just,

01:12:17.697 --> 01:12:18.318
I don't know.

01:12:18.337 --> 01:12:20.099
It was definitely targeting

01:12:20.198 --> 01:12:21.800
like an audience that just

01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:22.820
wants to watch something.

01:12:22.860 --> 01:12:24.742
That's a little bit fucking not normal.

01:12:24.983 --> 01:12:26.243
I think it just wanted,

01:12:26.524 --> 01:12:27.043
I think it was just

01:12:27.104 --> 01:12:28.385
targeting an audience that

01:12:28.444 --> 01:12:30.667
would watch anything called

01:12:30.766 --> 01:12:34.250
cocaine bear or just in fact,

01:12:34.729 --> 01:12:36.511
anything that had a picture,

01:12:37.032 --> 01:12:39.613
anything moving images and

01:12:39.753 --> 01:12:41.895
stimulation while they were

01:12:41.916 --> 01:12:43.377
just ripping it on the bog head.

01:12:46.301 --> 01:12:49.002
um quite possible uh the um

01:12:50.143 --> 01:12:53.744
the the recent uh season

01:12:53.864 --> 01:12:58.006
finale of um of house of

01:12:58.067 --> 01:13:00.188
the dragon anyone catch

01:13:00.228 --> 01:13:03.529
that yet nope nope not

01:13:03.550 --> 01:13:05.591
watching it no well I've

01:13:05.650 --> 01:13:07.032
heard really mixed reviews

01:13:07.898 --> 01:13:08.757
Yeah, I mean,

01:13:10.298 --> 01:13:12.079
I showed up to a business

01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:13.020
meeting the other day and

01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:14.661
the first thing that was asked was,

01:13:15.100 --> 01:13:16.341
how do you feel about the

01:13:16.962 --> 01:13:18.823
season finale of House of the Dragon?

01:13:18.882 --> 01:13:19.283
I'm like,

01:13:19.342 --> 01:13:20.503
I haven't seen it yet and that's

01:13:20.524 --> 01:13:21.703
a fucking weird thing to bring up.

01:13:25.025 --> 01:13:27.667
Friend of the podcast.

01:13:27.686 --> 01:13:29.868
So to bring up, hey,

01:13:30.608 --> 01:13:31.467
that is a weird thing to

01:13:31.507 --> 01:13:32.929
bring up in a business meeting.

01:13:34.005 --> 01:13:35.706
yeah, well, you know, it's crypto.

01:13:36.386 --> 01:13:38.467
It did seem like... Sorry,

01:13:38.488 --> 01:13:41.510
so it wasn't a business meeting.

01:13:41.529 --> 01:13:42.791
It was a crypto meeting,

01:13:42.871 --> 01:13:44.332
which is a very different thing.

01:13:44.351 --> 01:13:45.733
Yeah.

01:13:47.033 --> 01:13:49.416
A business meeting is when

01:13:49.456 --> 01:13:50.197
they find out you've got a

01:13:50.237 --> 01:13:52.057
kid and you have the

01:13:52.097 --> 01:13:53.519
obligatory five minutes of

01:13:53.559 --> 01:13:54.640
small talk about your kid

01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:57.521
before moving on to the capital markets.

01:13:58.703 --> 01:13:58.922
You know,

01:13:58.962 --> 01:14:00.163
I thought it would be kind of fun

01:14:00.203 --> 01:14:02.865
to just not tell your

01:14:03.567 --> 01:14:04.747
entire family that you're

01:14:04.766 --> 01:14:05.787
having a kid and just sort

01:14:05.828 --> 01:14:08.889
of be noticeably absent for

01:14:08.908 --> 01:14:10.309
a while and then just show

01:14:10.349 --> 01:14:12.050
up with a kid one day sure

01:14:12.090 --> 01:14:13.829
like come to christmas

01:14:13.850 --> 01:14:14.510
dinner or something with

01:14:14.529 --> 01:14:18.110
them oh yeah this is

01:14:18.872 --> 01:14:19.652
they'll completely still

01:14:19.671 --> 01:14:20.372
keep talking to you if you

01:14:20.391 --> 01:14:21.391
do that it'll be fine I

01:14:21.431 --> 01:14:22.853
would like to introduce you

01:14:22.893 --> 01:14:26.514
to radar with two with

01:14:27.613 --> 01:14:32.895
three a's and four r's radar radar

01:14:35.425 --> 01:14:37.064
No, Mom, it's Radar.

01:14:38.145 --> 01:14:39.286
Say his name right, damn it.

01:14:40.805 --> 01:14:41.787
Stop being an asshole.

01:14:42.266 --> 01:14:45.207
Stop being an asshole.

01:14:45.307 --> 01:14:46.707
Why would you respect our decisions?

01:14:47.287 --> 01:14:49.828
You went on the train all over America,

01:14:49.849 --> 01:14:50.408
didn't you, Noel?

01:14:50.469 --> 01:14:52.628
Did you go past Raider

01:14:52.828 --> 01:14:55.189
O'Reilly's hometown on the Amtrak?

01:14:56.029 --> 01:14:56.189
What?

01:14:57.411 --> 01:14:59.570
I have no fucking clue.

01:14:59.631 --> 01:15:01.851
It was a fucking random goddamn thing.

01:15:02.511 --> 01:15:02.692
What?

01:15:03.735 --> 01:15:06.878
yeah I don't know indiana

01:15:06.899 --> 01:15:08.399
somewhere isn't it is it

01:15:08.420 --> 01:15:10.921
indiana it's on um it's

01:15:10.962 --> 01:15:12.384
just off the mississippi on

01:15:12.444 --> 01:15:16.146
the on the chicago to on

01:15:16.167 --> 01:15:19.168
the chicago to denver uh

01:15:19.248 --> 01:15:21.890
railroad line it's oh it's

01:15:22.011 --> 01:15:23.972
iowa right something like

01:15:24.012 --> 01:15:26.494
that I definitely did that line noire

01:15:31.554 --> 01:15:32.774
Chicago to Denver.

01:15:33.333 --> 01:15:33.614
No.

01:15:34.055 --> 01:15:34.354
Yes.

01:15:34.435 --> 01:15:36.375
It won't be Iowa.

01:15:37.215 --> 01:15:37.456
Oh, no.

01:15:37.496 --> 01:15:37.815
Yeah.

01:15:37.855 --> 01:15:38.496
It might be Iowa.

01:15:38.515 --> 01:15:38.735
Sorry.

01:15:38.775 --> 01:15:39.735
Not Ohio.

01:15:39.876 --> 01:15:40.095
Yeah.

01:15:40.136 --> 01:15:41.176
It might be Iowa.

01:15:41.195 --> 01:15:41.275
Yeah.

01:15:42.396 --> 01:15:43.457
I got in quite a few of the

01:15:43.516 --> 01:15:44.976
Amtrak lines and my only

01:15:45.037 --> 01:15:49.478
review statement is don't do it ever.

01:15:49.998 --> 01:15:51.019
Fucking awful, man.

01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:53.720
They're awful.

01:15:53.779 --> 01:15:55.359
It's not even a cheap way to get around.

01:15:55.659 --> 01:15:58.220
It's expensive and slow and

01:15:58.261 --> 01:15:59.560
it's loud and shitty.

01:16:00.771 --> 01:16:00.971
I mean,

01:16:00.992 --> 01:16:03.474
it wasn't any experience that I

01:16:03.514 --> 01:16:04.295
can't recommend.

01:16:04.815 --> 01:16:06.537
Canadian Rail,

01:16:06.577 --> 01:16:08.097
like through the Canadian

01:16:08.137 --> 01:16:09.238
Rockies and out west,

01:16:09.259 --> 01:16:10.020
that's a beautiful spot.

01:16:10.260 --> 01:16:12.081
And even, but you went,

01:16:12.122 --> 01:16:14.042
didn't you go up through, that's right,

01:16:14.063 --> 01:16:14.884
you went to Denver,

01:16:14.944 --> 01:16:16.645
but didn't you continue on

01:16:16.685 --> 01:16:18.226
and go through the Rockies as well?

01:16:18.287 --> 01:16:19.927
Like even beyond,

01:16:19.948 --> 01:16:20.547
didn't you go to the west

01:16:20.569 --> 01:16:21.029
coast from there?

01:16:22.042 --> 01:16:23.583
I don't remember all East

01:16:23.644 --> 01:16:26.206
coast from Denver East.

01:16:26.867 --> 01:16:27.106
Yeah.

01:16:27.368 --> 01:16:27.747
Oh, that's right.

01:16:27.768 --> 01:16:28.509
You started in Denver.

01:16:28.529 --> 01:16:28.849
That's right.

01:16:29.168 --> 01:16:29.510
Right.

01:16:29.569 --> 01:16:30.631
Flew to the West coast.

01:16:30.810 --> 01:16:31.030
Yeah.

01:16:32.432 --> 01:16:33.974
Uh, was going to catch the train,

01:16:34.314 --> 01:16:35.676
but also didn't want to end

01:16:35.796 --> 01:16:37.457
my life during the trip.

01:16:37.858 --> 01:16:38.259
So yeah.

01:16:38.738 --> 01:16:38.899
Yeah.

01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:40.220
Yeah.

01:16:40.360 --> 01:16:41.582
Yeah.

01:16:41.641 --> 01:16:43.163
It is Iowa now.

01:16:44.360 --> 01:16:45.761
cares it's a make-believe

01:16:45.782 --> 01:16:46.783
character what are you

01:16:46.823 --> 01:16:48.503
talking about okay it's

01:16:49.364 --> 01:16:50.565
like did you stop and see

01:16:50.626 --> 01:16:52.027
spongebob squarepants house

01:16:54.128 --> 01:17:00.052
um yeah I mean so you know

01:17:00.854 --> 01:17:01.673
there was interesting

01:17:01.755 --> 01:17:04.697
people on the train um yeah

01:17:04.756 --> 01:17:06.177
I've never had a lengthy

01:17:06.238 --> 01:17:08.319
conversation with an amish before and uh

01:17:10.029 --> 01:17:13.033
had multiple around a

01:17:13.073 --> 01:17:15.518
certain area of the country.

01:17:18.421 --> 01:17:20.425
The overnights are not great.

01:17:20.444 --> 01:17:21.926
It's very difficult to sleep

01:17:21.988 --> 01:17:22.708
on the Amtrak.

01:17:24.150 --> 01:17:24.612
Do you get sleeper?

01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:26.199
No.

01:17:26.779 --> 01:17:28.480
And so there was like, you know,

01:17:28.501 --> 01:17:29.600
this lingering fear of a

01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:30.502
stabbing as well.

01:17:32.162 --> 01:17:34.323
The Amtrak stations were

01:17:34.422 --> 01:17:35.342
quite interesting.

01:17:35.422 --> 01:17:38.885
I met several recently released criminals.

01:17:39.824 --> 01:17:41.626
One had his eyeballs tattooed.

01:17:44.707 --> 01:17:45.827
Quite a nice fellow, though.

01:17:46.645 --> 01:17:48.527
I wanted to purchase some, um,

01:17:49.328 --> 01:17:50.167
items I didn't have.

01:17:50.548 --> 01:17:54.332
So I wanted to purchase some items,

01:17:54.471 --> 01:17:56.814
chiefly narcotics that I did not have.

01:17:57.375 --> 01:17:59.355
Unfortunately, unfortunately,

01:17:59.416 --> 01:18:00.978
I had to regretfully inform him.

01:18:01.658 --> 01:18:02.819
I was out of stock at the moment,

01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:05.282
but after four hours in the, uh,

01:18:06.057 --> 01:18:06.757
in the terminal,

01:18:06.797 --> 01:18:08.198
he did manage to find some.

01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:08.920
I'm sure.

01:18:08.939 --> 01:18:09.739
I'm sure.

01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:12.261
And then quite courteously offered,

01:18:12.841 --> 01:18:14.323
you know, Oh, he didn't came back around.

01:18:14.783 --> 01:18:14.922
Yeah.

01:18:14.943 --> 01:18:15.503
He came back around.

01:18:15.524 --> 01:18:16.224
He's like, Oh, look at that.

01:18:16.804 --> 01:18:17.305
He was like, I mean,

01:18:17.345 --> 01:18:18.645
you have any ones off this

01:18:18.685 --> 01:18:19.286
fucking hooker.

01:18:20.266 --> 01:18:21.106
It's trying to make a little

01:18:21.127 --> 01:18:21.806
money on there too.

01:18:22.287 --> 01:18:23.628
A little bit busy at the moment.

01:18:24.288 --> 01:18:25.189
Staring at the wall.

01:18:26.649 --> 01:18:27.190
It's funny.

01:18:27.831 --> 01:18:28.731
Waiting for my limo.

01:18:31.672 --> 01:18:31.953
Yeah.

01:18:32.373 --> 01:18:32.453
Um,

01:18:33.546 --> 01:18:34.868
a bat in a bull market I

01:18:34.908 --> 01:18:36.009
mean maybe you were waiting

01:18:36.029 --> 01:18:39.530
for the limo maybe did I

01:18:39.591 --> 01:18:41.072
ever tell you about uh when

01:18:42.132 --> 01:18:42.993
I mean I would have whinged

01:18:43.033 --> 01:18:43.873
about this in the group

01:18:43.913 --> 01:18:46.155
chat when uh I showed up in

01:18:46.376 --> 01:18:49.537
um I don't know a city uh

01:18:51.038 --> 01:18:52.119
what was that one it's like

01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:55.402
some random ass place um at

01:18:55.462 --> 01:18:57.002
like midnight on the amtrak

01:18:57.302 --> 01:19:00.985
and I got a uh uber to my accommodation

01:19:02.298 --> 01:19:04.301
And you know how they've got

01:19:04.341 --> 01:19:05.341
like the Easts and the

01:19:05.381 --> 01:19:07.363
Wests on the streets over there?

01:19:08.783 --> 01:19:09.104
Yeah.

01:19:09.163 --> 01:19:10.284
So they dropped me off on

01:19:10.345 --> 01:19:11.185
like the wrong one.

01:19:11.206 --> 01:19:12.587
I was like,

01:19:13.327 --> 01:19:15.748
so I walked down to the other one.

01:19:16.329 --> 01:19:16.710
Now,

01:19:18.190 --> 01:19:20.472
having seen this place the next day

01:19:22.814 --> 01:19:24.815
and had I arrived during

01:19:24.855 --> 01:19:27.797
the day and seen the area that I was in,

01:19:28.498 --> 01:19:30.220
I perhaps would not have made that walk.

01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:31.261
Yeah.

01:19:34.525 --> 01:19:35.947
But in the context of what I

01:19:35.987 --> 01:19:38.368
could see in the dark,

01:19:38.787 --> 01:19:39.908
it didn't seem that bad.

01:19:39.967 --> 01:19:41.609
But when you can see the

01:19:41.689 --> 01:19:44.631
greater area that the dark

01:19:44.671 --> 01:19:45.871
was obfuscating,

01:19:47.832 --> 01:19:48.811
maybe I wouldn't have walked.

01:19:50.113 --> 01:19:51.132
So anyway, I walked.

01:19:51.273 --> 01:19:53.073
And then I got to the accommodation.

01:19:54.914 --> 01:19:58.976
And I was told that the...

01:20:00.453 --> 01:20:01.694
Entrance code to the

01:20:01.734 --> 01:20:03.335
accommodation was the last

01:20:03.494 --> 01:20:04.975
four digits of my phone number.

01:20:05.636 --> 01:20:06.837
Why someone would fucking

01:20:06.877 --> 01:20:08.338
torture me with this, I don't know.

01:20:09.579 --> 01:20:10.739
But, you know,

01:20:11.020 --> 01:20:12.521
they didn't have my phone number.

01:20:12.561 --> 01:20:14.403
They had the phone number of

01:20:15.264 --> 01:20:17.125
the intermediary company

01:20:17.204 --> 01:20:19.346
that booked the accommodation.

01:20:20.327 --> 01:20:22.649
And so I'm at this place at 12.30 a.m.,

01:20:22.668 --> 01:20:23.569
midnight.

01:20:27.412 --> 01:20:29.734
and uh trying to enter the

01:20:29.774 --> 01:20:32.856
code and or call you know

01:20:32.896 --> 01:20:34.377
the people responsible for

01:20:34.398 --> 01:20:35.297
getting me into this thing

01:20:35.318 --> 01:20:36.998
uh which were

01:20:37.059 --> 01:20:37.800
non-responsive

01:20:38.060 --> 01:20:39.060
understandably on a

01:20:39.081 --> 01:20:42.182
wednesday morning um and so

01:20:42.302 --> 01:20:43.743
I ended up then having to

01:20:44.984 --> 01:20:46.365
walk back the direction I

01:20:46.405 --> 01:20:47.947
just came but a little bit

01:20:48.027 --> 01:20:49.467
further and around the

01:20:49.528 --> 01:20:51.668
corner to a hotel which was

01:20:52.470 --> 01:20:55.391
accepting uh you know new entrance

01:20:56.837 --> 01:20:58.378
And then pay, you know,

01:20:58.679 --> 01:21:00.039
an obscene amount of money

01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:05.003
to stay in a trash hotel for six hours.

01:21:05.503 --> 01:21:05.925
Where was this?

01:21:08.046 --> 01:21:08.206
Look,

01:21:08.305 --> 01:21:09.567
if you talk amongst yourselves for a

01:21:09.606 --> 01:21:11.609
moment, I will find out the place.

01:21:11.868 --> 01:21:12.469
No, I don't mean that.

01:21:12.488 --> 01:21:13.090
Like what city?

01:21:13.750 --> 01:21:15.411
Yeah, that's what I'm looking up.

01:21:15.530 --> 01:21:18.172
Oh, you don't even know what city?

01:21:18.694 --> 01:21:19.154
What country?

01:21:20.225 --> 01:21:21.585
It was the U S of a,

01:21:21.845 --> 01:21:25.006
it was in the United States of fuck you.

01:21:25.867 --> 01:21:26.226
Yeah.

01:21:26.766 --> 01:21:30.127
Uh, it was on the way to Washington.

01:21:30.148 --> 01:21:34.309
Um, where are we?

01:21:34.869 --> 01:21:40.411
Uh, shit, man.

01:21:41.431 --> 01:21:42.252
It's really not that important.

01:21:43.122 --> 01:21:44.783
yeah I kind of like it's

01:21:45.484 --> 01:21:47.024
there was a a movie about

01:21:47.085 --> 01:21:48.845
that it's just the sorry a

01:21:48.885 --> 01:21:50.485
tv show the name of the tv

01:21:50.525 --> 01:21:51.806
show was this town fucking

01:21:51.846 --> 01:21:57.429
atlanta yeah atlanta in the

01:21:57.509 --> 01:21:58.849
southern burbs man it was

01:21:58.988 --> 01:22:03.430
not a good idea um but

01:22:03.451 --> 01:22:05.551
anyway long story short I

01:22:06.792 --> 01:22:07.453
still have all of my

01:22:07.493 --> 01:22:09.913
kidneys there you go yeah

01:22:10.274 --> 01:22:12.814
so didn't wake up in an ice bath anywhere

01:22:13.722 --> 01:22:15.024
America really does do that

01:22:15.104 --> 01:22:16.945
thing where you go from

01:22:17.025 --> 01:22:21.909
being like the safest you've ever been.

01:22:21.949 --> 01:22:23.570
And like chill as fuck to

01:22:23.610 --> 01:22:26.132
being like Ralph Wiggum on the bus.

01:22:26.313 --> 01:22:27.134
I'm in danger.

01:22:27.993 --> 01:22:29.735
Like really in the blink of an eye.

01:22:30.376 --> 01:22:31.216
I'm in danger.

01:22:31.657 --> 01:22:32.018
Yeah.

01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:34.038
Yeah.

01:22:34.340 --> 01:22:34.640
I mean,

01:22:34.819 --> 01:22:36.921
me and my partner have traveled to

01:22:37.082 --> 01:22:39.963
Eastern Europe with not much of a plan.

01:22:39.984 --> 01:22:41.926
And yeah,

01:22:43.654 --> 01:22:45.655
I think that's the epitome of sketchy,

01:22:46.096 --> 01:22:46.976
some of those areas.

01:22:46.997 --> 01:22:49.899
Which of Eastern Europe?

01:22:51.220 --> 01:22:53.162
Like Romania, Bulgaria.

01:22:53.261 --> 01:22:54.882
Oh, right.

01:22:54.943 --> 01:22:56.344
But when you get out of the

01:22:56.804 --> 01:23:01.886
curated visitor area of the city, the CBD,

01:23:02.608 --> 01:23:03.969
and start to venture out

01:23:04.949 --> 01:23:07.430
when... Some of those areas,

01:23:07.671 --> 01:23:08.851
very little people speak

01:23:08.931 --> 01:23:10.592
English or want to talk to

01:23:10.632 --> 01:23:11.173
you in English.

01:23:11.793 --> 01:23:11.934
And...

01:23:13.385 --> 01:23:14.985
the services become like a

01:23:15.025 --> 01:23:19.548
little less uh available

01:23:19.868 --> 01:23:21.189
like we were just trying to

01:23:21.250 --> 01:23:25.431
leave the city um in in I

01:23:25.452 --> 01:23:28.474
think it was romania um and

01:23:28.833 --> 01:23:30.494
it was more difficult than

01:23:30.534 --> 01:23:32.136
you could imagine uh just

01:23:32.216 --> 01:23:34.077
trying to get a bus out of

01:23:34.197 --> 01:23:35.898
romania excuse me where's

01:23:35.938 --> 01:23:40.140
the exit we walked all over

01:23:40.161 --> 01:23:41.721
bucharest for like

01:23:43.042 --> 01:23:45.163
eight hours with our luggage

01:23:45.243 --> 01:23:46.164
just trying to find

01:23:46.244 --> 01:23:47.265
something to get on that

01:23:47.305 --> 01:23:48.226
had wheels that would get

01:23:48.287 --> 01:23:52.591
us the fuck out of there I

01:23:52.631 --> 01:23:53.992
have money where's the exit

01:23:54.671 --> 01:23:56.953
I got united states dollars

01:23:57.253 --> 01:23:58.576
can someone point me to the

01:23:58.655 --> 01:24:01.578
exit if you don't see this

01:24:01.618 --> 01:24:03.279
guy he lives he lives in

01:24:03.300 --> 01:24:04.159
who the fuck do you think

01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:06.021
you are house like he he

01:24:06.042 --> 01:24:07.042
should be out of here and

01:24:07.082 --> 01:24:09.164
into some kind of luxury residence now

01:24:10.836 --> 01:24:12.497
So we hired a car there.

01:24:13.337 --> 01:24:14.918
Um, no, look at you.

01:24:15.599 --> 01:24:17.300
And it was fucking wild.

01:24:19.761 --> 01:24:21.243
Oh, that shit was wild, man.

01:24:22.144 --> 01:24:22.923
Um, was it,

01:24:23.664 --> 01:24:26.426
could it do 50 hectares as a single pipe,

01:24:26.506 --> 01:24:29.788
a single liter tank of gasoline, kerosene,

01:24:29.788 --> 01:24:33.331
50 hectares attractor.

01:24:33.931 --> 01:24:34.912
What country is this from?

01:24:34.931 --> 01:24:36.854
No, this, uh, uh,

01:24:40.537 --> 01:24:41.479
So, I mean,

01:24:41.738 --> 01:24:43.078
the great thing about Romania

01:24:43.340 --> 01:24:45.860
is that there seems like

01:24:45.881 --> 01:24:47.421
the road rules seem to be

01:24:47.502 --> 01:24:50.984
like a little bit like

01:24:51.003 --> 01:24:53.805
you're on your own up to interpretation.

01:24:53.824 --> 01:24:54.286
Yeah.

01:24:54.966 --> 01:24:59.268
And you can fuck up pretty

01:24:59.628 --> 01:25:01.009
entirely and everyone will

01:25:01.029 --> 01:25:01.890
just get out of your way.

01:25:02.609 --> 01:25:03.470
Like you could probably

01:25:03.511 --> 01:25:04.711
decide to do a U-turn on a

01:25:04.751 --> 01:25:05.752
highway and people will

01:25:05.771 --> 01:25:06.551
just drive around you.

01:25:06.972 --> 01:25:07.632
That guy's drunk.

01:25:08.328 --> 01:25:09.309
Yeah, it's like, oh,

01:25:09.368 --> 01:25:10.470
another one of those guys.

01:25:10.489 --> 01:25:11.470
Never mind.

01:25:12.291 --> 01:25:12.591
Yeah.

01:25:12.911 --> 01:25:16.894
In the, like, in Bucharest, in, like,

01:25:16.974 --> 01:25:18.375
fucking peak hour traffic,

01:25:19.636 --> 01:25:21.337
I actually merged onto the

01:25:21.377 --> 01:25:22.997
opposite lane of traffic somehow.

01:25:23.698 --> 01:25:24.859
And people just drove around

01:25:24.899 --> 01:25:26.980
me until I got back into, like, no honks.

01:25:27.180 --> 01:25:28.521
They just fucking drove around me.

01:25:28.561 --> 01:25:29.403
No, that's pretty normal.

01:25:31.463 --> 01:25:33.626
A motorbike ran into our

01:25:35.367 --> 01:25:36.547
hire car from behind.

01:25:37.838 --> 01:25:39.640
um just fucking plowed into

01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:42.962
it uh went out stationary

01:25:43.443 --> 01:25:46.605
and um he was probably

01:25:46.645 --> 01:25:49.908
drunk uh anyway just backed

01:25:50.048 --> 01:25:52.650
up looked at it and then

01:25:52.751 --> 01:25:56.974
fucked off uh at which

01:25:56.993 --> 01:25:58.015
point I was like fuck I

01:25:58.034 --> 01:25:58.654
hope there's not much

01:25:58.694 --> 01:25:59.756
damage back there that

01:25:59.796 --> 01:26:01.858
could very much happen in france though

01:26:03.260 --> 01:26:04.979
Yeah, I mean, the car was pretty sturdy.

01:26:05.020 --> 01:26:07.461
It didn't make that noise much to it.

01:26:08.161 --> 01:26:09.400
It popped out some plastic

01:26:09.421 --> 01:26:10.240
that I just popped back

01:26:10.301 --> 01:26:12.322
into place and then it's good to go.

01:26:12.341 --> 01:26:15.443
We returned it to the hire

01:26:15.523 --> 01:26:16.382
company with a bit of road

01:26:16.403 --> 01:26:19.963
rash from the cyclist, the motorcyclist.

01:26:20.963 --> 01:26:22.703
But yeah,

01:26:22.823 --> 01:26:26.305
it was an experience that I don't

01:26:26.324 --> 01:26:26.845
want to have again.

01:26:30.862 --> 01:26:32.502
So a glowing review, then,

01:26:32.523 --> 01:26:35.685
of your time in Eastern Europe.

01:26:36.466 --> 01:26:36.886
Yeah, I mean,

01:26:36.926 --> 01:26:38.627
it's an experience that I'm glad I had.

01:26:38.646 --> 01:26:40.969
It's not one that I want to have again.

01:26:41.349 --> 01:26:41.469
Well,

01:26:41.488 --> 01:26:43.289
the good news is that in a couple of

01:26:43.310 --> 01:26:43.470
weeks,

01:26:43.489 --> 01:26:44.390
you won't be able to have that

01:26:44.451 --> 01:26:45.150
experience again for

01:26:45.171 --> 01:26:46.372
probably about 10 years.

01:26:47.252 --> 01:26:47.653
Yeah.

01:26:48.273 --> 01:26:48.734
You know,

01:26:48.753 --> 01:26:50.574
it's always the difference

01:26:50.614 --> 01:26:51.935
between not wanting to have

01:26:51.975 --> 01:26:54.157
an experience and unable to

01:26:54.197 --> 01:26:54.676
have an experience.

01:26:56.462 --> 01:26:57.301
Do you know what I found

01:26:57.381 --> 01:26:59.943
quite interesting is like the, you know,

01:27:00.002 --> 01:27:00.703
the hands that are

01:27:00.762 --> 01:27:04.185
currently in the air to be like, oh yeah,

01:27:04.244 --> 01:27:05.744
like if you want to go out for dinner,

01:27:05.784 --> 01:27:07.666
we can look after the kid and fucking,

01:27:07.706 --> 01:27:09.286
I'm like, man, once you beat this cunt,

01:27:09.326 --> 01:27:10.506
you're not going to fucking know him.

01:27:12.747 --> 01:27:14.347
Like two hours is going to

01:27:14.387 --> 01:27:15.648
be fucking torture for you.

01:27:15.728 --> 01:27:17.149
So I'm pretty sure that

01:27:17.168 --> 01:27:18.109
hand's going to be up once

01:27:18.149 --> 01:27:18.868
and never again.

01:27:18.889 --> 01:27:21.329
That's funny.

01:27:21.550 --> 01:27:21.689
Yeah.

01:27:21.710 --> 01:27:22.951
Well, also, I mean, for the first,

01:27:23.011 --> 01:27:23.650
like whatever,

01:27:25.194 --> 01:27:29.219
six months is not even

01:27:29.279 --> 01:27:33.404
possible so um one of the

01:27:33.524 --> 01:27:34.163
one of my partner's

01:27:34.185 --> 01:27:35.586
siblings wants to have

01:27:35.966 --> 01:27:37.769
their wedding in um another

01:27:37.809 --> 01:27:40.992
country in in like the at

01:27:41.032 --> 01:27:42.554
the end of the year and uh

01:27:42.594 --> 01:27:43.234
they're like oh you're

01:27:43.255 --> 01:27:44.355
coming and I'm like oh

01:27:44.376 --> 01:27:45.396
fucking probably not

01:27:48.198 --> 01:27:49.738
Like, are you serious?

01:27:49.757 --> 01:27:53.479
Is this a question that

01:27:53.498 --> 01:27:54.899
you're asking me expecting, like,

01:27:54.939 --> 01:27:55.838
a good outcome from?

01:27:55.859 --> 01:27:58.760
It's not going to be a good

01:27:58.800 --> 01:27:59.479
outcome for me.

01:28:01.079 --> 01:28:02.381
I can't imagine a scenario

01:28:02.400 --> 01:28:05.261
where that might happen, but, you know,

01:28:05.280 --> 01:28:07.962
the door has been left ajar just in case,

01:28:08.021 --> 01:28:10.002
but I can't imagine that

01:28:10.042 --> 01:28:10.822
we'll be stepping through

01:28:10.841 --> 01:28:14.323
that door within six months

01:28:14.363 --> 01:28:15.222
of having a kid, so...

01:28:18.807 --> 01:28:19.387
Yeah, I don't know.

01:28:19.608 --> 01:28:20.488
Have you guys done any

01:28:20.528 --> 01:28:24.270
travel with a baby of less

01:28:24.329 --> 01:28:25.189
than six months old?

01:28:25.569 --> 01:28:27.150
It's actually easier than

01:28:27.211 --> 01:28:27.970
traveling when they get

01:28:28.011 --> 01:28:31.332
older because it's just maintenance,

01:28:31.372 --> 01:28:31.533
right?

01:28:31.573 --> 01:28:33.753
So they can sleep two hours

01:28:33.833 --> 01:28:34.934
and shit and eat anywhere.

01:28:35.994 --> 01:28:37.274
So we should book some

01:28:37.314 --> 01:28:38.154
Eastern Europe shit?

01:28:38.916 --> 01:28:41.577
I mean, the plane is miserable.

01:28:41.997 --> 01:28:43.136
Four months is a good time

01:28:43.157 --> 01:28:44.457
to go because...

01:28:46.078 --> 01:28:46.838
still the age you can just

01:28:46.918 --> 01:28:48.960
put them down yeah I can't

01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:49.859
emphasize enough you put

01:28:49.899 --> 01:28:51.440
them down and they're like

01:28:52.261 --> 01:28:53.520
they're literally like cool

01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:54.421
I can't move can't do

01:28:54.440 --> 01:28:56.202
anything can't up can't be

01:28:56.242 --> 01:29:00.483
dangerous cool can't be I

01:29:00.722 --> 01:29:02.884
feel like the plane trip though

01:29:03.817 --> 01:29:04.396
It's miserable.

01:29:04.796 --> 01:29:06.318
If it was like 14 hours,

01:29:06.398 --> 01:29:07.118
it's going to be pretty

01:29:07.158 --> 01:29:09.257
miserable for everyone else.

01:29:09.377 --> 01:29:10.618
No, no, you can't.

01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:13.998
No, you can do like snatches of one,

01:29:14.059 --> 01:29:15.019
two hours tops.

01:29:15.458 --> 01:29:15.738
Yeah.

01:29:16.019 --> 01:29:16.600
You can't do 14.

01:29:17.659 --> 01:29:18.539
Are you high?

01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:21.720
Everything that we did was drivable,

01:29:22.121 --> 01:29:22.761
which for you is.

01:29:24.220 --> 01:29:24.621
Yeah.

01:29:24.701 --> 01:29:24.961
Yeah.

01:29:25.261 --> 01:29:26.060
But yeah.

01:29:27.021 --> 01:29:27.202
Yeah.

01:29:27.221 --> 01:29:28.301
I mean, I can, you know,

01:29:28.421 --> 01:29:30.221
driving to fucking down the

01:29:30.282 --> 01:29:31.483
road is like 10 hours.

01:29:31.943 --> 01:29:32.682
Yeah, exactly.