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thing in the thing like is

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it is it show that like

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it's a real live recording

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of something happening uh I

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think it's going to do the

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thing and although there is

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an alarm there is a little

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exclamation mark by it so

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sorry my life there's probably not good

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Hello and welcome to Game of Nodes,

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a weekly podcast from

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independent validator teams.

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And I'm here as always with

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usurper as always greatest

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fan of the olympics known

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to man I i think you've

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been watching every event

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right what's been the best

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thing uh of course you were

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in paris to see the

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olympics you were there in

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the stadium yes multiple

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world records you saw in

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the flesh really exciting

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times I mean I wish super

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exciting I did see the

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crowds around the stadiums

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of the olympics

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very exciting.

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It's almost the same.

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You were there on the day of,

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on the days of the men's

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and women's road races though,

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to be fair.

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So you could have,

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you could have gone and

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watched the cycling.

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And I appreciate that.

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I'm the only cycling psychopath on the,

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I don't even know.

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It must have been last Saturday.

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Yeah.

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Oh, Oh, was it?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Last Saturday, Sunday,

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both of them just like, um, the, they had,

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uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

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the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

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the, the, the,

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big flags oh you know onions

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around the neck berets on

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the head you know all of

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them going come on julian

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and to be fair I mean I am

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devastated that julian

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alaphilippe did not win

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because that would have

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been that would have been

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just the ticket like can

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you imagine how mental the

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french would have been if

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he had got like you know he

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had silenced the haters

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just peak old school alaphilippe

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rolled over and just smashed

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the competition it would

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have been oh I'll trust you

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about that yeah

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unfortunately unfortunately

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it was just a wash uh it

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was a little bit of wash

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the the it was kind of

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exciting uh the person who

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was in the lead had like a

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40 second lead and they had

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a rear wheel flat with two

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kilometers or three

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kilometers before the line

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And they got off the bike

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and were just screaming,

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stood in the middle of the road,

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screaming at the support car,

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like screaming at them

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because they have no time checks.

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They don't have any radio or

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anything like they would do

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normal racing at the Olympics.

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He thought that there was

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like 20 people behind him

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that were about to come

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around that corner like 10

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seconds after him.

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And so he's just like every

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second freaking out.

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Yeah.

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Every second you do not give

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me a new bike.

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belgium is going to lose the

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gold medal yeah what the

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fuck are you doing and he's

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literally screaming

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screaming and screaming

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they give him the bike he

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gets on it hoons off the

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motorbike with the camera

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gets a bit too close to him

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he's like get the fuck out

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of my face yeah like he's

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just completely rage

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quitter he's like if you do

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something useful give me a

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time check give me a time

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check he's like tapping his

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watch and like

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And then the Belgian car

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literally comes up and

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shoves the TV motorbike out of the way.

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And you see the team director leaning out.

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He's obviously shouting.

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The time check is like 30 seconds,

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you mad lad.

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Stop being mental.

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You're on global TV.

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And they pull back.

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And then when the motorbike comes back,

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he's just like, hey, hey, hey.

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And you're like.

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Okay, cool.

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He won, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He rolled across like 30,

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40 seconds advantage in the end.

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It was like pretty impressive.

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The women's was more of a race.

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The women's was really exciting.

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He didn't do that thing

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where he just put his arms

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up and then realized

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there's somebody just

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fucking flying past him?

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No,

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he got off the bike at the finish line

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and held up his bike.

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That's how much time he had, to be fair.

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so the the americans won the

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women's surprise like big

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upset big big upset yeah

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yeah it was I haven't seen

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any of it zero we I mean we

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recorded everything before

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we left like we set up

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recording and all that

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stuff because we we knew

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we're gonna miss it and we

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usually like we usually

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usually what we do here at

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least in the states they

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have like a they do prime

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time which is they they do

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like a four four hour block

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and so they basically pick the day's best

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type of highlights, right?

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And then they kind of parse

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them together into a four-hour.

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So at least you get four hours a day,

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which is pretty good.

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And then we try to record as

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much as we can, like, random, you know,

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random sports and shit.

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So we have... I know there's

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a good 80 hours on the DVR,

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but we haven't done anything yet.

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Yeah, so we were there for it.

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We... We tried to get into a few events.

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Like, there were some...

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Everybody's well in the gymnastics,

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apparently.

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I mean, I saw the Simone Biles one,

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but I think you guys maybe

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won another one as well.

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They won the, well, they won the,

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what is it?

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The team event.

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Right.

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And then Simone won a couple other golds.

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And yeah, I mean, I mean, honestly,

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a hundred meters as well.

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yes yeah by like five one

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thousand was five thousand

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or something like that

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basically by his forehead

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yeah like you yeah he was

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just like like he would lay

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hair on the chest eagle

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kind of like as he crossed

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the line yeah that was

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important that race I saw

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it was like at every all

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all lanes under 10 seconds

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which has never happened

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before yeah it was crazy fast

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Um, yeah, so we, we were in town, like I,

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Paris was, it wasn't that bad actually.

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Um, like just the,

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the crowds were horrible.

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Restaurants were busy,

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but we stayed at a place

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like what was very close.

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Like it wasn't very expensive at all.

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Um, and transportation was great.

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The Metro was great.

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Things ran on time.

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I thought like.

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There was a lot of troops in town.

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So what we heard,

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we went to Versailles for a

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day and we talked to

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somebody and they said that

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like usually there's like

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30,000 federal police

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around Paris and now they had 80,000.

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And we met police from the US,

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we met them from Australia.

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There was Germany, Austria.

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So a bunch of other

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countries just basically sent, you know,

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whatever,

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forces just to go stand at

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locations and do whatever.

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But it was actually pretty orderly,

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I thought.

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And the city itself was gorgeous.

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I thought they had really

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cool event locations.

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Yeah,

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that really seems... They had a really,

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really pretty... Shame about the river,

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I guess,

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because that would have been

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pretty impressive.

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Yeah,

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that was maybe a little bit of a stretch.

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Because you're a man of culture.

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Did you see... You're also a

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man who likes heavy guitar music.

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Did you see the Gajira thing

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with the opening?

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No.

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So, you know, the French metal band,

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you know,

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they did something as part of

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the opening ceremony.

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They like, it's like, there's really,

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it's almost spinal tap.

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Right.

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Because they're like on the

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size of this castle, literally like,

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carabine it on in case they

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fall off like like playing

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like melodic death metal

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basically yeah then um this

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like woman singing like

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like operatically singing

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and like a little barge

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like kind of goes past it's

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very spinal tap because

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they're like on this

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massive massive chateau

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And this little boat just

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goes along the front with

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the woman singing.

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And the thing is, it's quite a big prop.

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She's only at the front.

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It's got to be 15 feet long.

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But next to a castle,

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everything looks small.

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It was supposed to be 150 feet long.

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Yeah,

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it has a real Stonehenge vibe about it.

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Right here, it says 15 feet.

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Yeah, it's like,

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you're not as confused as him.

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No, 15 meters.

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15 meters.

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Have you ever been to Stonehenge?

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No.

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The men hairs are, like,

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as tall as two men.

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I haven't.

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I haven't.

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I just did what was on the

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piece of paper that you handed to me,

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Ian.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It was a bit like that.

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But it was cool.

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And it, like, you know,

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obviously it's kind of cool to see, like,

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metal.

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Yeah.

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It's not like a typical...

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opening ceremonies type of vibe, right?

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Yeah.

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Although, to be fair, at London,

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they had Mike Oldfield do

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part of the tubular bells, didn't they?

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I remember that.

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Which is pretty fucking cool.

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Yeah, I remember that.

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But he's a very...

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He's very disturbed.

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I love Chewbacca Bells,

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and I love Chewbacca Bells 2.

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And to a lesser extent,

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I love Chewbacca Bells 3.

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And to an even lesser extent,

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I like Armadon.

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And to an even lesser extent,

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I like Harvest Ridge.

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That's like a logarithmic.

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That's not linear, though, right?

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That is a fucking log.

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Yeah, it's like the downward log.

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But I will say that Mike

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Oldfield is quite a disturbed man.

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And if you see an interview

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with him about any subject

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that you have skin in the game on,

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you're like, you're like, Hmm,

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I'm just going to choose to

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pretend I never read that.

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And I'm going to continue to

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enjoy your music.

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I mean, to be fair,

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he literally just joined a

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cult for like five.

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He joined a laughing cult,

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I think for like five years

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in the nineties and married

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the daughter of the cult leader.

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So like he,

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yeah he's had he's had ups

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and downs but yeah there's

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definitely like there's

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definitely one of those

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like if you just don't look

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up what what michael feels

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doing just enjoy the music

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yeah or like what he thinks

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about anything because

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you'll probably just be

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like yeah yeah exactly yeah

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so uh what else yeah paris

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was good we didn't make it

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so the back to the events so like we

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they did a pretty good job

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in terms of resale and

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everything was kind of

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running through the Olympic

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sites and all that kind of

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stuff for resale.

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So,

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and they would open up tickets every day.

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We kept looking.

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So there was really not like, I don't,

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like we wanted to go to an event,

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but like swimming events that we were,

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we had,

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we had some interest in some

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swimming events, even for like a, the,

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a single, you know,

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they would kind of break

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them up into like four hour buckets.

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So they probably do a morning session,

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the afternoon session,

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like an evening session,

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something like that.

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And for four seats, not even together,

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like two and two at a

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decent swimming event,

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like some heats that of

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like races you would want to see, um,

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for a four hour block would

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be probably 4,000 euros,

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which is expensive,

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which is enough for you.

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Like, well, do we have to like,

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it would be better to just go.

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Like, it would be a cool event,

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but four grand.

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And so we looked at everything from, like,

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we were looking at table

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tennis to handball, which I go see.

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Like, they're all, like, in that, like,

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even for table tennis would be fun.

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Like, I'm not saying it wouldn't be.

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It'd be, like, it was, like,

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two hours for a grand.

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Like, I don't love it that much.

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It's free all along.

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I know.

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I know.

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Yeah.

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I know.

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And you guys won it as well.

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You could literally see.

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I'm sure they would have

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found a way to charge for it.

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I don't know.

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It had to be something, but...

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Well, I mean, you probably, you know,

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there'll be people selling

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your water and stuff

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because it's a hot day.

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But, you know.

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I didn't see anything

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related to the routes of

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that or anything else.

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That was central Paris.

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No, it wasn't.

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Ah, damn.

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That's too bad.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's a lot of stuff closed.

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I thought they had really

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cool locations of different

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types of events.

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We were in Versailles for a

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day and they had,

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they do some horse riding

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thing right there on the grounds.

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Like it was gorgeous,

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like a beautiful spot.

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So that I think Paris,

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I think France really showed off.

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I think the country pretty well,

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at least from what I saw.

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But yeah, we didn't, we didn't,

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we had some opportunities

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to go and we just kind of,

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and we were honestly,

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we weren't there for that for any way.

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we, you know, we, we wanted,

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we were doing other types of things.

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And so if it worked out, it worked out,

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but it didn't work out.

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Plus there'll be an LA in four years.

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So like,

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we really want to go be a little

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bit more planful.

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We could do that in LA.

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Yeah.

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To be fair.

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That's, that's true.

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It will be, it will be expensive.

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I'm sure.

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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you have to obviously get a visa to

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go from the union States of

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America to the Pacific

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States of America for the painful.

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Yeah.

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The train ride literally

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would be four days.

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Yeah.

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So,

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Yeah, so that was good.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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We did a lot in Paris.

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We stayed there a while.

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It was cool.

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Saw you in London.

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That was fun.

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Kids didn't like London that much.

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I think London is one of

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those things that like... I

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could be older.

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Yeah, but also like a lot of the cool...

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I guess a lot of the cool

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shit that I always used to

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think was cool about London

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was stuff you kind of need

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to live really close or in,

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or just really,

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really just in the little

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bit around to like really appreciate.

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But like, honestly, even then,

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I guess a lot of the shit

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that I cared about when I was younger,

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like the music scene and

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the art scene or whatever has like,

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as far as I can tell, like I'm not,

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I'm not an authority on it.

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So I don't live around there anymore.

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Like the,

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like it became very atomized

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because it was so expensive.

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Like even gig venues,

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just like booking a London show.

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Like it used to be like you booked,

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booked something in Camden,

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like no big deal.

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Like, you know, when I was a kid,

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well I was like 12 13 and

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onwards I just sneak into

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over 18 shows in camden all

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the time like and that kind

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of that's how you saw bands

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that were like small enough

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to talk like big enough to

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tour but still small sure

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and then it was like okay

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well those venues are

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closed so now it will be like

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the back of a video game bar

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in like dolston or

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something or there'll be

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something just off brick

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lane maybe like a kind of

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shitty again shitty

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backroom shitty sound

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system fine that's cool

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it's not a dedicated venue

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anymore with a hundred cap

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but fuck it like it does

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the job and then like it

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just kept going like

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further out further out

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further out you know um

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that's just my impression.

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Like,

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I know there is still stuff there and

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there are still venues still going.

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So I'm being a little bit unfair,

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but you know, I,

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it's happened a lot of places, I guess.

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Like, so it's not just,

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it's not just London, but like, yeah,

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I don't know.

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It, I,

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I feel like when I go there now and

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I'm there a lot with work

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and other things like, um,

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a lot of, yeah, just like,

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it's a very different place.

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I can't even describe it,

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anything like that, any other than that.

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Like,

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I would totally take the wee man to

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go to like a bunch of

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museums and stuff because

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there's loads of cool stuff like that.

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There's loads of cool art

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galleries and whatnot.

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But like, things to just do

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No, I don't know.

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I guess I'm just showing the

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kind of things that I want to do, really.

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Like,

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it feels like there's less of that

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around than there used to be.

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Maybe I've just got old.

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I don't know.

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In the museums, I mean, museum-wise,

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there's a ton, right?

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And so some of that they're

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age-appropriate for,

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some of that they're not.

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And then outside of that, like, what else?

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I mean, we went to Westminster and we did,

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you know, you do that kind of shit,

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right?

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And the history of that's pretty cool.

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And even Tower of London was fun.

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Like,

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we had a good half day there just

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because...

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kids don't our kids don't

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see anything um at that age

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and and with that history

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and the you know the

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stories that go along with

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those types of things so

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that was fun uh but after

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that they're like all right

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let's get out of here yeah

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like all right kind of got

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it so and then paris they

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loved I mean they just they

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don't know just maybe the

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olympics helped with that

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but there's you know just

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there's some cool shit to

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do there and um and then we

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went to amsterdam after

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that and I think they would

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you get to amsterdam

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We honestly, they would,

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they would move there in a second.

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Like they just like, they're like,

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this is like, they just,

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I think they just love the vibe.

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And it was also cooler.

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Paris and London were both pretty hot.

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Um, when we were there and, um,

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especially Paris and then, um,

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actually not London.

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I'm sorry.

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Paris was hot.

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London wasn't bad.

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um no it wasn't it wasn't um

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but it cooled off and like

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just like I don't know just

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slowed down a little bit we

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had great meals we saw a

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ton of cool shit um you get

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some of that famous apple

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pie from that place up on

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the canal yes we did a few

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different places actually

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um some places I used to go

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to a couple restaurants we

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used to go to like I used

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to go to like 20 years ago

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we went back to which was

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uh one was great the other

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one was shit um

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And, uh, yeah, like we did a boat tour,

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just kind of hung out,

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go see these things.

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The food is really

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interesting in Amsterdam, isn't it?

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Cause like,

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there's a lot of places that

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are just ridiculously above their weight.

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And I just didn't,

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they're just tucked into every,

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it feels like more than

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other cities of that size.

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I've just gambled on here's

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a restaurant that's

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charging like 13 euros

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rather than eight euros or whatever, like,

00:17:04.384 --> 00:17:05.385
like a handful of euros more.

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Yeah.

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And like when I've been

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obviously with other half

00:17:09.584 --> 00:17:11.026
and we've just sat down

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somewhere and the food has been really,

00:17:13.067 --> 00:17:14.249
really, really impressive.

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Agreed.

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I've just been like, whoa, okay.

00:17:16.730 --> 00:17:17.932
That was completely not expected.

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Whereas there's definitely like,

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I don't mean to be a shit about it,

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but like,

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I wouldn't expect that if I was

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in Brussels, a city I love,

00:17:25.078 --> 00:17:27.281
but the food culture isn't as good.

00:17:28.262 --> 00:17:29.824
It's the beer culture is great though,

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but that's another thing.

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like we just sat down

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literally on the street at

00:17:34.391 --> 00:17:36.031
a little wire table once

00:17:36.372 --> 00:17:37.492
yeah like this is the one

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that really sticks in my

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head and it was just a like

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a handwritten board like a

00:17:41.954 --> 00:17:43.336
little italian place and it

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was just like they

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literally like as it turned

00:17:45.758 --> 00:17:46.458
out they were literally

00:17:46.557 --> 00:17:48.019
rolling the fucking pasta

00:17:48.038 --> 00:17:50.440
sure like it was it was

00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:51.480
unbelievable it was like 12

00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.061
I think it was literally 12

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fucking euros like yeah I

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mean it was just like a you know like a

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It wasn't super fancy food,

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but it was really good.

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I think, I think that sums it up.

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Like we had,

00:18:02.932 --> 00:18:04.933
we had great meals at some

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places that I thought were

00:18:06.715 --> 00:18:08.557
incredibly unique and

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different menus than anywhere else.

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Right.

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Like, like things that we, that, um,

00:18:14.655 --> 00:18:15.217
That were quite good.

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And in Paris, funny enough,

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we went to a couple of

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great places in Paris and

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everything else that we

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went to kind of seemed the same.

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Like we went even based off

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of good reviews on the fork

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and we're trying to find like,

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we're trying to mix up

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obviously different types

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of cuisines and all these

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types of things.

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And there's a cafe in every corner.

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And at some points we got,

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I think it was not,

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we weren't even like in touristy areas.

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Like we just were trying to

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find different types of

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things and it was a little bit harder.

00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:41.842
um which is weird but we

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also went to we went to a

00:18:43.083 --> 00:18:43.762
couple places that were

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just awesome like you know

00:18:45.224 --> 00:18:47.666
some great places um ryan

00:18:47.767 --> 00:18:48.768
carnivore we went to that

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place we were actually

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there um we went to there's

00:18:52.230 --> 00:18:53.451
a restaurant like carnival

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or something something I

00:18:54.153 --> 00:18:54.653
forget what the hell it's

00:18:54.673 --> 00:18:56.355
called um that they have

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like I think which is weird

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because usually we try to

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pick places that don't have

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multiple locations um but

00:19:01.118 --> 00:19:01.980
they do they have like I

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think four or five like

00:19:03.040 --> 00:19:04.442
just within central and

00:19:04.482 --> 00:19:05.763
like within the canals

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And we were there Monday night, actually,

00:19:09.065 --> 00:19:09.766
which we had a great we had

00:19:09.786 --> 00:19:10.286
a great meal there.

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So that was that was one of

00:19:11.925 --> 00:19:13.527
those examples of just like

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we kind of ran into that and, you know,

00:19:15.288 --> 00:19:17.388
look good and blah, blah, blah.

00:19:17.729 --> 00:19:19.209
So, yeah, I mean, like, I mean, Amsterdam,

00:19:19.229 --> 00:19:20.470
it's totally livable city.

00:19:21.650 --> 00:19:24.310
Another expensive place, though.

00:19:25.751 --> 00:19:28.053
Not as bad as when the market's up.

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It's a Liverpool.

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Yeah.

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But yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, not as not as bad as.

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Um, actually,

00:19:35.833 --> 00:19:36.613
I think we probably spent

00:19:36.732 --> 00:19:40.516
less there on meals than we

00:19:40.536 --> 00:19:41.296
did anywhere else.

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Probably.

00:19:42.436 --> 00:19:42.737
Maybe.

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I don't even know.

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I don't know.

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It was tough.

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Um, and then also, I mean, it's, you know,

00:19:48.180 --> 00:19:50.480
it's, there's, there's less to do there,

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I guess would be the thing.

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Plus it's a little bit older city.

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Like our kids are a little bit young.

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We didn't go like,

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we didn't walk down red

00:19:56.065 --> 00:19:57.625
light or we didn't go to, you know, XYZ.

00:19:58.266 --> 00:19:59.086
So, um,

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which you can have a little bit

00:20:00.606 --> 00:20:01.027
more fun there.

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So anyway, um,

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It was good.

00:20:04.114 --> 00:20:04.855
So then we had a shit.

00:20:04.875 --> 00:20:05.194
We had a shit.

00:20:05.535 --> 00:20:05.755
We do.

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We've been so fucking unlucky.

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You should have.

00:20:09.036 --> 00:20:10.616
I've forgotten you're going to Amsterdam.

00:20:10.896 --> 00:20:12.657
I would have told you where

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the video game arcade place

00:20:14.699 --> 00:20:16.880
was that we went with Artifact.

00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:20.181
It was like one of the Aptos

00:20:20.621 --> 00:20:21.221
evening events.

00:20:21.541 --> 00:20:21.741
Oh, yeah.

00:20:21.761 --> 00:20:22.781
The side event was at this

00:20:22.821 --> 00:20:25.363
video game bar just across the water.

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And it's like...

00:20:27.491 --> 00:20:29.373
kind of cool up and coming neighborhood.

00:20:29.534 --> 00:20:31.494
You get to, if you've got a Metro pass,

00:20:31.575 --> 00:20:33.175
the, the ferry is free.

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Oh, uh, North Amsterdam.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just like kind of cool.

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It's like just a cool extra thing, like to,

00:20:40.942 --> 00:20:42.022
to throw into the mix for

00:20:42.042 --> 00:20:42.743
the kids as well.

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It's like, Hey,

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we're going to get on this.

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Like we have large thing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That, that, that impressed me anyway,

00:20:49.989 --> 00:20:50.568
as an adult.

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So I was like,

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this must therefore

00:20:53.010 --> 00:20:54.613
logically impress a kid by, uh,

00:20:55.430 --> 00:20:56.470
Obviously don't know that

00:20:56.490 --> 00:20:58.050
that was a guaranteed thing.

00:20:58.211 --> 00:20:59.531
We went on, we were on that side.

00:20:59.612 --> 00:21:01.011
We, we went up to the John Swan,

00:21:01.031 --> 00:21:02.553
which was like, we're some, you know,

00:21:02.573 --> 00:21:05.294
like some, uh, some, uh,

00:21:05.453 --> 00:21:07.134
windmills and like just stuff to go do,

00:21:07.334 --> 00:21:08.515
just get out of the city for a day,

00:21:08.575 --> 00:21:09.434
which we try to do at every

00:21:09.595 --> 00:21:10.895
like location is try to get, you know,

00:21:10.976 --> 00:21:11.976
do like a little bit of a day trip.

00:21:12.336 --> 00:21:13.115
Um, that was good.

00:21:13.195 --> 00:21:14.217
I honestly, it was, I mean,

00:21:14.436 --> 00:21:15.156
trains were awesome.

00:21:15.797 --> 00:21:17.238
Fucking, fucking.

00:21:18.698 --> 00:21:19.919
I love like that,

00:21:19.979 --> 00:21:21.278
that travel being an

00:21:21.318 --> 00:21:22.839
American is so fucking annoying.

00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:22.900
Um,

00:21:23.815 --> 00:21:25.056
Um, cause we, I mean, we get,

00:21:25.076 --> 00:21:26.356
I don't know what's going on with us and,

00:21:26.537 --> 00:21:30.380
and, and, uh, and connections back every,

00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:32.080
every fucking flight connection we've had,

00:21:32.101 --> 00:21:34.323
I think this year has been blown.

00:21:34.923 --> 00:21:35.222
So we,

00:21:35.643 --> 00:21:36.763
we flew out of Amsterdam yesterday

00:21:37.345 --> 00:21:39.046
morning, um, eight and a half hours.

00:21:39.286 --> 00:21:39.786
It was late.

00:21:39.846 --> 00:21:40.666
It was three hours late.

00:21:40.787 --> 00:21:41.748
Then an eight and a half hour flight.

00:21:41.788 --> 00:21:42.667
We landed in Philadelphia,

00:21:43.568 --> 00:21:44.450
fucking hauling ass,

00:21:44.470 --> 00:21:46.131
got through customs really fast, uh,

00:21:46.549 --> 00:21:47.109
get to the gate,

00:21:47.250 --> 00:21:48.471
they cancel our flight here

00:21:49.310 --> 00:21:50.711
as soon as we walk up to the gate.

00:21:50.770 --> 00:21:51.751
So it's like 5 o'clock.

00:21:52.392 --> 00:21:54.333
They book us on a 3 o'clock flight today,

00:21:54.353 --> 00:21:55.593
a day later.

00:21:55.613 --> 00:21:57.614
It was bad storms and everything else.

00:21:57.673 --> 00:21:59.153
So I ran out of the fucking

00:21:59.193 --> 00:22:00.595
car and I drove 5 hours after that.

00:22:01.015 --> 00:22:03.415
So we walked in at like 11.

00:22:04.036 --> 00:22:05.516
So it was an 8.5 hour flight

00:22:05.536 --> 00:22:06.596
and then I drove for 5 hours,

00:22:06.616 --> 00:22:08.257
like fucking flying across the state.

00:22:08.856 --> 00:22:10.738
I've been to Philadelphia precisely once.

00:22:13.679 --> 00:22:15.280
Also to transfer for an

00:22:15.361 --> 00:22:16.582
internal American flight.

00:22:17.343 --> 00:22:20.185
And I was it was like one

00:22:20.205 --> 00:22:21.126
o'clock in the morning.

00:22:21.807 --> 00:22:23.108
And the signage is really

00:22:23.148 --> 00:22:25.411
bad in that airport, in my opinion.

00:22:26.251 --> 00:22:29.535
And there was like a cop

00:22:29.976 --> 00:22:32.117
sitting on a chair half asleep.

00:22:33.327 --> 00:22:34.568
like the paper in his lap

00:22:35.170 --> 00:22:36.211
and I just walked past him

00:22:36.230 --> 00:22:36.852
because I was trying to

00:22:36.912 --> 00:22:38.432
find anywhere open to eat

00:22:38.452 --> 00:22:39.773
some food because I I've

00:22:39.934 --> 00:22:40.595
just been across the

00:22:40.615 --> 00:22:42.696
atlanta I'm so hungry uh

00:22:42.856 --> 00:22:44.278
and just you know my arms

00:22:44.338 --> 00:22:46.181
are tired too but no the

00:22:46.340 --> 00:22:46.881
you know it's one of those

00:22:46.901 --> 00:22:48.182
where it's like a six hour

00:22:48.202 --> 00:22:49.564
it's that weird gap between

00:22:49.604 --> 00:22:50.964
like being like a five hour

00:22:50.984 --> 00:22:51.925
flight and like an eight

00:22:51.945 --> 00:22:52.926
hour flight they don't give

00:22:52.967 --> 00:22:53.807
you they only give you like

00:22:53.887 --> 00:22:55.710
one meal yeah uh it was

00:22:55.730 --> 00:22:57.531
like in that weird little middle ground

00:22:58.132 --> 00:22:59.633
And I was just like sticking

00:22:59.673 --> 00:23:00.893
my head around the corner and I was like,

00:23:00.913 --> 00:23:01.594
oh, there's nothing there.

00:23:01.854 --> 00:23:02.673
So I turned around to come

00:23:02.713 --> 00:23:04.734
back and this guy wakes up kind of thing.

00:23:04.775 --> 00:23:05.835
He's like, whoa, what are you doing?

00:23:05.855 --> 00:23:06.415
I was like, well,

00:23:06.556 --> 00:23:07.476
I literally just walked past you.

00:23:07.496 --> 00:23:08.516
He's like, yeah, I saw that.

00:23:09.136 --> 00:23:10.517
And I was like, okay, cool.

00:23:12.978 --> 00:23:13.598
No worries.

00:23:13.838 --> 00:23:15.219
I'll just be going my way then.

00:23:15.239 --> 00:23:16.779
And he's like, well, no,

00:23:16.819 --> 00:23:17.440
you can't do that.

00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:20.181
I'm like, and why can't I do that?

00:23:20.281 --> 00:23:21.561
And he's like, well, you're now,

00:23:22.261 --> 00:23:23.103
you're now not in,

00:23:23.202 --> 00:23:23.863
you're now not in the

00:23:23.903 --> 00:23:25.284
checked in area of the airport.

00:23:25.523 --> 00:23:25.963
And I was like,

00:23:27.711 --> 00:23:29.051
what where's the cause

00:23:29.132 --> 00:23:30.731
where's what where's

00:23:30.751 --> 00:23:31.952
security like where's that

00:23:31.992 --> 00:23:33.673
line gates and whatever and

00:23:33.692 --> 00:23:36.354
he was like I am and I was

00:23:36.394 --> 00:23:37.535
like and but there's no

00:23:37.654 --> 00:23:40.215
sign there's no and he was

00:23:40.415 --> 00:23:41.296
like well you're supposed

00:23:41.316 --> 00:23:42.797
to ask me or whatever I was

00:23:42.836 --> 00:23:43.836
like are you fucking

00:23:43.856 --> 00:23:46.498
kidding me and uh so then I

00:23:46.557 --> 00:23:48.077
had to he was I was like

00:23:48.097 --> 00:23:49.398
well what are we gonna do here

00:23:50.022 --> 00:23:50.623
And he was like, well,

00:23:50.643 --> 00:23:51.703
you need to go back to

00:23:51.723 --> 00:23:52.545
whatever airline you're

00:23:52.565 --> 00:23:53.685
flying with and recheck it.

00:23:53.786 --> 00:23:55.125
You're like, son of a bitch.

00:23:55.247 --> 00:23:56.968
I was like, all my shit's in transit.

00:23:57.008 --> 00:23:58.008
He's like, I don't worry about that.

00:23:58.048 --> 00:23:58.828
You just got to go through

00:23:58.868 --> 00:23:59.710
all the fucking... Yeah,

00:23:59.730 --> 00:24:02.050
so I had to go back,

00:24:02.351 --> 00:24:04.192
find the airline desk or the transfer,

00:24:04.673 --> 00:24:05.794
explain what had happened.

00:24:05.953 --> 00:24:07.375
And they were just like, uh-huh, uh-huh.

00:24:08.115 --> 00:24:08.275
Well,

00:24:08.295 --> 00:24:09.115
you're going to have to show your

00:24:09.155 --> 00:24:10.477
passport and junk again.

00:24:10.576 --> 00:24:11.596
Because they're like,

00:24:12.317 --> 00:24:13.479
have you got any bags?

00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:13.898
I'm like, yeah,

00:24:13.919 --> 00:24:16.000
they're literally in transit.

00:24:16.099 --> 00:24:18.461
I walked past your man over

00:24:18.501 --> 00:24:19.383
there and now...

00:24:20.403 --> 00:24:21.364
uh and then like yeah

00:24:21.384 --> 00:24:22.084
because it was like early

00:24:22.104 --> 00:24:22.903
hours in the morning there

00:24:22.923 --> 00:24:24.224
was like one but one

00:24:24.345 --> 00:24:25.806
security line and it was

00:24:25.865 --> 00:24:28.146
just like I literally

00:24:28.166 --> 00:24:29.007
burned like three and a

00:24:29.047 --> 00:24:30.508
half hours of fucking

00:24:30.708 --> 00:24:32.528
around finally got back to

00:24:32.548 --> 00:24:33.769
the other side still no

00:24:33.808 --> 00:24:36.930
fucking food it was oh I

00:24:36.950 --> 00:24:37.951
was like beautiful city

00:24:38.070 --> 00:24:39.270
philadelphia beautiful city

00:24:39.311 --> 00:24:40.511
would definitely come back

00:24:40.612 --> 00:24:41.673
thank you to your airport

00:24:42.573 --> 00:24:44.173
uh it was quite funny though but um

00:24:45.276 --> 00:24:46.576
So anyway, in conclusion, Europe,

00:24:46.696 --> 00:24:47.217
thumbs up.

00:24:47.877 --> 00:24:48.917
Thumbs up from Rhino.

00:24:49.298 --> 00:24:49.858
We had a good time.

00:24:49.878 --> 00:24:51.619
I thought kids had a good time.

00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:52.319
Yeah,

00:24:52.401 --> 00:24:55.521
we had a... It was a long... It's the

00:24:55.541 --> 00:24:57.584
longest we've ever been, which is,

00:24:57.644 --> 00:24:57.824
you know,

00:24:59.073 --> 00:24:59.613
That's the longest we've

00:24:59.633 --> 00:25:00.993
ever been together on the

00:25:01.034 --> 00:25:02.355
road in that type of situation.

00:25:02.595 --> 00:25:04.516
And, you know, they did pretty well.

00:25:04.976 --> 00:25:07.817
So, yeah, kids are exhausted.

00:25:07.957 --> 00:25:08.356
It's all good.

00:25:08.958 --> 00:25:09.597
They learned some shit.

00:25:10.117 --> 00:25:10.538
Happy days.

00:25:10.718 --> 00:25:12.979
You ready to get back to the degeneracy?

00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:14.480
Yeah.

00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:16.300
Then, you know,

00:25:16.661 --> 00:25:17.441
I look at the fucking

00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:18.321
charts and what happened.

00:25:18.481 --> 00:25:18.981
What'd you guys do?

00:25:19.001 --> 00:25:19.142
Yeah,

00:25:19.162 --> 00:25:21.462
I noticed you came back and then

00:25:21.482 --> 00:25:22.463
there was like a crash.

00:25:23.104 --> 00:25:23.344
No, no.

00:25:26.973 --> 00:25:27.493
Although to be fair,

00:25:27.513 --> 00:25:28.674
she would have been on the plane.

00:25:28.734 --> 00:25:29.755
It was on the road when it happened.

00:25:30.055 --> 00:25:30.255
Yeah,

00:25:30.275 --> 00:25:31.174
I think you might have been on the

00:25:31.194 --> 00:25:32.635
plane when everything went

00:25:32.675 --> 00:25:34.257
to doodly doodly.

00:25:34.737 --> 00:25:35.297
Yeah, what happened?

00:25:36.317 --> 00:25:37.357
Yeah, what did happen?

00:25:37.538 --> 00:25:38.637
That is a good question.

00:25:38.657 --> 00:25:41.259
Well,

00:25:41.278 --> 00:25:42.638
I guess we didn't need to earn money

00:25:42.719 --> 00:25:44.519
anyway, so that's probably fine.

00:25:46.560 --> 00:25:47.080
Pretty brutal.

00:25:48.569 --> 00:25:48.809
Yeah,

00:25:48.950 --> 00:25:50.269
it's funny because I was at a

00:25:50.309 --> 00:25:51.730
conference last week,

00:25:51.891 --> 00:25:54.432
shout out Blockstart in Scotland,

00:25:54.511 --> 00:25:56.112
which is I think one of the

00:25:56.152 --> 00:25:57.172
first crypto conferences

00:25:57.211 --> 00:25:58.053
has been in Scotland.

00:25:58.252 --> 00:25:59.853
It was like a relatively small thing.

00:25:59.893 --> 00:26:00.952
It's just kind of up the road.

00:26:01.794 --> 00:26:04.213
So I figured go to Glasgow,

00:26:04.233 --> 00:26:10.596
get a pizza crunch, sink some beers.

00:26:10.915 --> 00:26:12.155
It's when you deep fry it,

00:26:12.195 --> 00:26:13.757
you batter and deep fry pizza.

00:26:13.777 --> 00:26:14.317
Oh.

00:26:15.309 --> 00:26:17.711
okay pizza crunch um in the

00:26:17.731 --> 00:26:18.692
end I bottled the pizza

00:26:18.712 --> 00:26:19.753
crunch I literally I was

00:26:19.794 --> 00:26:20.814
stood there in the chippy

00:26:21.714 --> 00:26:23.997
and I was like I just I

00:26:24.057 --> 00:26:25.077
don't have it in me right

00:26:25.117 --> 00:26:27.339
now I can't so I just said

00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.102
oh yeah can I have a couple

00:26:30.602 --> 00:26:33.605
packet of chips please and

00:26:33.904 --> 00:26:36.747
just like yeah have a have

00:26:36.767 --> 00:26:38.848
a bad haggis please and a packet of chips

00:26:39.974 --> 00:26:41.056
be fair bad haggis was

00:26:41.115 --> 00:26:43.778
smashing so nay regrets but

00:26:44.018 --> 00:26:45.898
um yeah I bet I i bottled

00:26:45.939 --> 00:26:46.960
it on the pizza crunch I

00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:47.941
just couldn't face it at

00:26:47.980 --> 00:26:48.881
that point I'd had a few

00:26:48.901 --> 00:26:50.321
beers and I was like no no

00:26:50.362 --> 00:26:51.682
I just I just don't I don't

00:26:51.702 --> 00:26:52.523
want to wake up with a

00:26:52.544 --> 00:26:54.285
stomach ache that's awful

00:26:54.545 --> 00:26:55.885
it literally sounds it's so

00:26:55.945 --> 00:26:56.787
delicious the problem is

00:26:56.866 --> 00:26:57.968
it's so delicious but you

00:26:58.087 --> 00:26:59.189
pay for it you pay for

00:26:59.368 --> 00:27:02.611
every bite um you feel you

00:27:02.631 --> 00:27:03.692
feel the hangover not from

00:27:03.711 --> 00:27:04.813
the beer but from the pizza

00:27:05.711 --> 00:27:06.813
the next day it's just so

00:27:06.952 --> 00:27:08.674
it's just so calorie rich

00:27:08.914 --> 00:27:09.776
like you can take because

00:27:09.816 --> 00:27:10.855
it's like it's battered and

00:27:10.876 --> 00:27:12.317
fried like and none of its

00:27:12.357 --> 00:27:13.439
calories that are actually

00:27:13.479 --> 00:27:14.419
helping your body like

00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:16.922
power itself you know is it

00:27:17.281 --> 00:27:18.522
is a pizza cook first and

00:27:18.603 --> 00:27:20.023
then it's and then it's

00:27:20.084 --> 00:27:20.984
battered and fried or it's

00:27:21.144 --> 00:27:23.626
raw straight out the

00:27:23.686 --> 00:27:25.909
freezer pretty much oh it's

00:27:25.929 --> 00:27:26.609
like a frozen thing

00:27:27.317 --> 00:27:29.078
yeah yeah well I don't know

00:27:29.098 --> 00:27:30.160
well to be fair some places

00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:31.599
probably make you like a

00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:32.980
pizza and then they batter

00:27:33.020 --> 00:27:36.063
and fry it but like are the

00:27:36.182 --> 00:27:37.544
the kind of four pound

00:27:38.163 --> 00:27:39.285
pizza crunch that I've had

00:27:39.325 --> 00:27:40.605
in the past has been very

00:27:40.665 --> 00:27:42.287
much like a frozen

00:27:42.507 --> 00:27:46.509
margarita type level um you

00:27:46.548 --> 00:27:47.169
know it's somewhat

00:27:47.229 --> 00:27:48.509
cardboard like pizza to

00:27:48.549 --> 00:27:51.172
begin with but a lot of enthusiasm

00:27:52.175 --> 00:27:54.217
you know a lot of enthusiasm

00:27:54.237 --> 00:27:55.416
not a lot of attainment in

00:27:55.436 --> 00:27:58.278
terms of quality um but

00:27:58.317 --> 00:28:00.618
very tasty um in the right

00:28:00.679 --> 00:28:02.539
in the right situation so

00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:04.640
um so yeah I went to I went

00:28:04.660 --> 00:28:05.820
to this this conference and

00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.561
um there was one funny

00:28:08.602 --> 00:28:09.582
thing right I think I sent

00:28:09.682 --> 00:28:11.643
on the group chat that uh

00:28:11.843 --> 00:28:13.462
the networking event on the

00:28:13.522 --> 00:28:16.183
first night uh was uh at a

00:28:16.243 --> 00:28:17.944
golf range like a driving range

00:28:18.499 --> 00:28:20.480
okay oh yeah you said and uh

00:28:20.900 --> 00:28:23.161
and I i have not other than

00:28:23.260 --> 00:28:25.201
mini golf crazy golf I've

00:28:25.241 --> 00:28:27.021
not swung any kind of golf

00:28:27.041 --> 00:28:28.962
club since I lived by the

00:28:29.022 --> 00:28:30.564
sea and occasionally did

00:28:30.624 --> 00:28:31.903
like pitch and pop right

00:28:31.923 --> 00:28:34.825
yeah I just it is not a

00:28:34.845 --> 00:28:36.145
sport I understand and that

00:28:36.306 --> 00:28:38.405
and it turns out that at an

00:28:38.507 --> 00:28:39.547
event which was like

00:28:41.367 --> 00:28:42.528
like quite small and kind of

00:28:42.588 --> 00:28:44.891
some crypto degens and some trad fi.

00:28:44.911 --> 00:28:44.990
Yeah.

00:28:45.730 --> 00:28:46.692
Uh, people,

00:28:46.731 --> 00:28:47.653
it was kind of like a bit of a

00:28:47.712 --> 00:28:48.814
weird crowd actually.

00:28:49.634 --> 00:28:49.794
Um,

00:28:50.674 --> 00:28:53.336
there were a surprising number of keen

00:28:53.396 --> 00:28:56.239
golfers and, uh, yeah.

00:28:57.279 --> 00:28:58.661
Uh, not my sport.

00:28:59.080 --> 00:28:59.601
Not my sport.

00:28:59.642 --> 00:29:00.082
Did you hit?

00:29:01.269 --> 00:29:04.530
Oh yeah, Hairy Bull.

00:29:04.550 --> 00:29:05.471
Oh, okay.

00:29:05.832 --> 00:29:06.432
I'm a cyclist.

00:29:06.472 --> 00:29:08.814
I have no upper body strength.

00:29:08.834 --> 00:29:12.916
I couldn't get it past the second hole.

00:29:13.897 --> 00:29:16.318
Was it like an outdoor driving range?

00:29:16.338 --> 00:29:18.300
Or was it one of those where

00:29:18.320 --> 00:29:19.221
they put fences up on the

00:29:19.260 --> 00:29:20.561
side and they put targets

00:29:20.622 --> 00:29:21.823
out and it's all electronic

00:29:21.863 --> 00:29:22.903
and all that kind of shit?

00:29:22.923 --> 00:29:23.884
Was it like a Topgolf type of thing?

00:29:24.565 --> 00:29:25.986
No, it was literally a Topgolf.

00:29:26.306 --> 00:29:26.906
Oh, it was Topgolf.

00:29:27.047 --> 00:29:28.327
Okay.

00:29:28.448 --> 00:29:29.728
So you're drinking.

00:29:29.749 --> 00:29:30.269
You're hanging out

00:29:31.152 --> 00:29:31.912
Somebody falls into the

00:29:31.952 --> 00:29:33.073
fucking basket over the edge.

00:29:33.093 --> 00:29:35.315
That type of thing, right?

00:29:35.375 --> 00:29:36.075
They were like,

00:29:36.234 --> 00:29:37.635
this happens literally every week.

00:29:37.736 --> 00:29:40.278
Please do not step on the outside.

00:29:40.337 --> 00:29:42.298
I've seen people fall on that thing too.

00:29:42.479 --> 00:29:43.440
It's mad.

00:29:43.539 --> 00:29:43.920
I was like,

00:29:45.681 --> 00:29:46.902
how uncoordinated would you

00:29:46.922 --> 00:29:48.222
have to be to fall off this

00:29:48.482 --> 00:29:49.584
two-story building?

00:29:50.028 --> 00:29:50.288
I don't know.

00:29:50.509 --> 00:29:51.651
People say they take a swing

00:29:51.671 --> 00:29:52.330
and then they take one

00:29:52.371 --> 00:29:53.673
extra step and then they're

00:29:53.692 --> 00:29:54.653
drinking too much next thing you know,

00:29:54.673 --> 00:29:55.634
their ass into that thing.

00:29:55.894 --> 00:29:58.396
You just stand roughly still

00:29:58.457 --> 00:29:59.979
and rotate your upper body, right?

00:30:00.159 --> 00:30:00.940
It's pretty funny, though.

00:30:01.673 --> 00:30:02.353
Yeah, I mean, I mean,

00:30:02.373 --> 00:30:03.393
it would have been funny to see it.

00:30:03.492 --> 00:30:04.473
I just don't understand how

00:30:04.513 --> 00:30:04.953
you can be that

00:30:04.993 --> 00:30:06.433
malcoordinated even when you're drinking.

00:30:06.453 --> 00:30:09.674
I don't know.

00:30:09.714 --> 00:30:10.174
Was it you?

00:30:10.654 --> 00:30:11.315
No, it wasn't me.

00:30:11.335 --> 00:30:11.756
It wasn't me.

00:30:13.675 --> 00:30:15.256
I did have one funny moment, though,

00:30:15.276 --> 00:30:16.797
which is I realized that I

00:30:16.856 --> 00:30:18.636
lack the strength to hit it very far.

00:30:19.017 --> 00:30:20.097
But because it's top golf,

00:30:20.137 --> 00:30:22.218
the first mode is just one

00:30:22.278 --> 00:30:23.878
where if you get them in

00:30:24.558 --> 00:30:25.838
one of the nets that like

00:30:26.098 --> 00:30:27.338
that scores you more points.

00:30:27.420 --> 00:30:27.640
Right.

00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:29.000
It's just about consistency.

00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:30.519
And I realized that the

00:30:30.579 --> 00:30:32.480
hardest I could hit it was

00:30:32.540 --> 00:30:34.442
about the range of the

00:30:34.602 --> 00:30:36.082
second or third net, right?

00:30:36.582 --> 00:30:37.482
And I realized there was a

00:30:37.563 --> 00:30:39.343
pin beyond it further away

00:30:39.383 --> 00:30:40.304
that I couldn't reach.

00:30:41.104 --> 00:30:42.964
But I could just aim for the

00:30:43.025 --> 00:30:44.865
one that I couldn't reach and smack it,

00:30:44.904 --> 00:30:46.105
like just absolutely twat

00:30:46.125 --> 00:30:46.865
it with all my strength.

00:30:47.644 --> 00:30:48.726
And chances are it would

00:30:48.786 --> 00:30:49.708
land in the one in front.

00:30:50.648 --> 00:30:52.471
And so I got five in a row

00:30:52.631 --> 00:30:54.232
into that one and scored

00:30:54.272 --> 00:30:55.755
like a massively high score

00:30:56.015 --> 00:30:57.457
or like a quite high score.

00:30:57.517 --> 00:30:57.696
Right.

00:30:58.438 --> 00:31:00.220
And then the net result of

00:31:00.259 --> 00:31:01.541
that was somebody that I

00:31:01.602 --> 00:31:03.324
actually already knew came

00:31:03.384 --> 00:31:04.085
past and was like,

00:31:04.105 --> 00:31:05.145
you didn't say you were good at golf.

00:31:05.165 --> 00:31:05.586
I was like,

00:31:07.508 --> 00:31:09.430
I've briefly worked out an

00:31:09.529 --> 00:31:10.431
algorithm for gaming the

00:31:10.471 --> 00:31:11.751
system I'm not good at golf

00:31:12.272 --> 00:31:14.035
and then the people on my

00:31:14.115 --> 00:31:15.476
net some of whom were

00:31:15.496 --> 00:31:17.617
serious golfers they were

00:31:17.678 --> 00:31:19.680
like hmm so then we did a

00:31:19.700 --> 00:31:20.621
different mode I did

00:31:20.681 --> 00:31:22.542
exactly the same thing a second time

00:31:23.303 --> 00:31:24.742
And then the third time they were like,

00:31:25.104 --> 00:31:25.943
we're going to change it to

00:31:26.023 --> 00:31:27.804
the actual golf simulator

00:31:27.824 --> 00:31:29.884
where you have to aim at a specific thing,

00:31:30.144 --> 00:31:30.805
like drive.

00:31:31.204 --> 00:31:32.125
And you're not even aiming

00:31:32.164 --> 00:31:33.185
for a pin necessarily.

00:31:33.226 --> 00:31:34.205
It gives you a number of

00:31:34.266 --> 00:31:35.306
yards you're supposed to

00:31:35.465 --> 00:31:36.425
estimate at the hit.

00:31:37.606 --> 00:31:39.207
And then I just got completely,

00:31:39.287 --> 00:31:41.428
completely dominated, obviously.

00:31:41.528 --> 00:31:42.188
But it was quite funny.

00:31:43.294 --> 00:31:44.275
It was quite funny that I

00:31:44.894 --> 00:31:45.935
managed to work out a way

00:31:45.955 --> 00:31:46.957
of just like... Because I

00:31:46.977 --> 00:31:48.198
was just having a laugh,

00:31:48.377 --> 00:31:50.799
but I kind of got myself in

00:31:50.819 --> 00:31:51.980
a little bit of what was like, no,

00:31:52.060 --> 00:31:53.321
now we're going to play serious golf.

00:31:53.582 --> 00:31:56.203
And it was just like, me, zero, zero, zero,

00:31:56.223 --> 00:31:57.204
zero, zero.

00:31:57.365 --> 00:31:59.105
Because I was still hitting it,

00:31:59.165 --> 00:32:01.887
but I was hitting it like 50 yards.

00:32:02.729 --> 00:32:04.390
They were just like... So

00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:05.250
what was your takeaway from

00:32:05.290 --> 00:32:05.911
this conference?

00:32:07.372 --> 00:32:10.835
My takeaway was that crypto is in...

00:32:12.064 --> 00:32:14.226
Crypto is in a weird place

00:32:14.306 --> 00:32:15.227
and it might be in trouble.

00:32:16.627 --> 00:32:18.269
That was my takeaway.

00:32:18.328 --> 00:32:18.869
Because, I mean,

00:32:19.150 --> 00:32:20.131
it was a small conference.

00:32:20.171 --> 00:32:21.112
It was the first conference.

00:32:21.951 --> 00:32:22.653
And it was, to be fair,

00:32:22.692 --> 00:32:23.534
pretty well organized.

00:32:23.953 --> 00:32:25.394
And shout out to the organizers.

00:32:25.434 --> 00:32:26.195
They did a good job.

00:32:27.896 --> 00:32:28.297
Actually, like,

00:32:28.577 --> 00:32:29.637
very well organized for

00:32:29.838 --> 00:32:31.200
what I think was the first conference.

00:32:32.820 --> 00:32:33.642
But it was more like the

00:32:33.721 --> 00:32:36.243
tone and tenor of it was very, like...

00:32:41.875 --> 00:32:43.696
So, like, my rule of thumb is, like,

00:32:43.737 --> 00:32:44.457
I remember, like,

00:32:45.117 --> 00:32:48.380
rocking up in Lisbon in 21,

00:32:48.380 --> 00:32:49.480
where when I rocked up,

00:32:49.520 --> 00:32:50.340
it was the last day of the

00:32:50.381 --> 00:32:51.362
Solana party there.

00:32:52.201 --> 00:32:55.124
And then Cosmoverse was after, right?

00:32:55.884 --> 00:32:57.345
And the energy and

00:32:57.384 --> 00:33:01.468
enthusiasm and interest from that point,

00:33:02.167 --> 00:33:03.669
like, to where we are now.

00:33:08.248 --> 00:33:09.288
The couple of crypto things

00:33:09.308 --> 00:33:11.769
I've been to in the last 12 months,

00:33:13.432 --> 00:33:15.012
it's just not comparable.

00:33:16.794 --> 00:33:17.673
The people who seem the most

00:33:17.713 --> 00:33:20.215
excited are essentially

00:33:20.236 --> 00:33:21.777
TradFi people who have

00:33:21.856 --> 00:33:23.397
realized that they are now

00:33:23.518 --> 00:33:24.259
in a position where

00:33:24.358 --> 00:33:26.039
regulators are giving them

00:33:26.059 --> 00:33:27.461
an avenue to play in the casino.

00:33:27.901 --> 00:33:28.521
Agreed, yeah.

00:33:29.001 --> 00:33:31.403
And they can now play in the casino.

00:33:31.644 --> 00:33:32.605
But those use cases,

00:33:32.884 --> 00:33:35.086
if you're not into either

00:33:35.165 --> 00:33:37.048
quite boring stablecoin stuff...

00:33:38.624 --> 00:33:40.766
And I'm not,

00:33:40.786 --> 00:33:41.486
and I think it's a bad

00:33:41.526 --> 00:33:42.606
solution for a problem.

00:33:43.968 --> 00:33:44.988
And if you're not into like

00:33:45.028 --> 00:33:47.009
a really particular type of DeFi,

00:33:48.692 --> 00:33:49.673
then those aren't very

00:33:49.772 --> 00:33:50.993
interesting to you if you

00:33:51.034 --> 00:33:52.575
got into crypto a few years ago,

00:33:52.714 --> 00:33:54.576
because whatever reason you

00:33:54.616 --> 00:33:55.557
got into crypto,

00:33:55.657 --> 00:33:57.778
like maybe you're just like

00:33:57.818 --> 00:33:58.980
an internet libertarian,

00:33:59.019 --> 00:34:01.041
maybe you can be one of

00:34:01.122 --> 00:34:03.202
many different cohorts of people.

00:34:03.324 --> 00:34:04.324
You can be like an OG

00:34:04.403 --> 00:34:06.145
cypherpunk or like more of

00:34:06.185 --> 00:34:08.306
a cypherpunk leaning type person.

00:34:08.327 --> 00:34:09.268
You can be any of these

00:34:09.327 --> 00:34:11.210
different personas you see

00:34:11.230 --> 00:34:12.130
a lot of in the space.

00:34:12.990 --> 00:34:14.172
Very few of those people.

00:34:16.103 --> 00:34:17.384
that were driving, I think,

00:34:17.423 --> 00:34:18.465
the energy level a few

00:34:18.485 --> 00:34:20.467
years ago are excited by

00:34:20.507 --> 00:34:21.588
the developments that are

00:34:21.628 --> 00:34:23.210
now driving it now.

00:34:23.309 --> 00:34:26.311
Like where the money is right now is VCs,

00:34:26.413 --> 00:34:30.416
institutions, stable coins, KYC.

00:34:30.436 --> 00:34:33.900
And a lot of it is just, it's very,

00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:34.740
it's not fun.

00:34:35.061 --> 00:34:35.740
It's not fun.

00:34:36.442 --> 00:34:37.163
It's not fun.

00:34:37.503 --> 00:34:38.764
It doesn't feel exciting.

00:34:40.144 --> 00:34:41.846
That's just my personal opinion, right?

00:34:42.226 --> 00:34:43.626
I work on digital cash,

00:34:43.666 --> 00:34:44.646
and I think it's a very

00:34:44.726 --> 00:34:45.728
important use case.

00:34:45.768 --> 00:34:47.208
It's very interesting,

00:34:47.387 --> 00:34:49.188
literally academically interesting.

00:34:49.989 --> 00:34:53.990
But I'm not excited about digital cash.

00:34:54.010 --> 00:34:55.311
I think it's a necessary thing.

00:35:00.717 --> 00:35:02.298
What I kind of work on from

00:35:02.338 --> 00:35:04.559
a research perspective is in my opinion,

00:35:04.579 --> 00:35:04.898
anyway,

00:35:04.918 --> 00:35:06.340
more exciting than a lot of the

00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:08.099
stuff that comes out of

00:35:08.139 --> 00:35:08.940
these sorts of sessions.

00:35:08.981 --> 00:35:09.340
And I'm like,

00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:10.981
I work on something very dry.

00:35:11.442 --> 00:35:12.181
So if, if I,

00:35:12.621 --> 00:35:13.661
if I think that the thing I

00:35:14.282 --> 00:35:15.103
literally am interested in,

00:35:15.143 --> 00:35:16.123
which I do not consider to

00:35:16.163 --> 00:35:17.463
be exciting is more

00:35:17.503 --> 00:35:19.643
exciting than a given subject,

00:35:19.664 --> 00:35:21.784
then then dude, like.

00:35:23.150 --> 00:35:24.992
I mean, like, and you know, that's natural,

00:35:25.032 --> 00:35:25.293
I guess.

00:35:25.313 --> 00:35:26.613
Like, you know, like in 2021, 2020,

00:35:26.614 --> 00:35:28.695
a little bit before, you know,

00:35:28.735 --> 00:35:29.396
it was still like,

00:35:29.976 --> 00:35:31.556
even NFTs were like still like, whoa,

00:35:31.637 --> 00:35:32.978
fucking NFTs, wow.

00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:33.719
You know, whatever.

00:35:34.259 --> 00:35:34.980
Like, you know,

00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:36.800
it's partly a sign of like

00:35:36.820 --> 00:35:38.141
maturity or whatever that

00:35:38.342 --> 00:35:40.563
that conversation has moved on so far.

00:35:41.885 --> 00:35:43.385
But it's not moved on to

00:35:43.445 --> 00:35:45.367
another actual use case

00:35:45.387 --> 00:35:46.728
that's interesting and novel.

00:35:46.748 --> 00:35:47.710
Yeah.

00:35:48.269 --> 00:35:49.271
Because NFTs are at least

00:35:49.331 --> 00:35:50.672
kind of novel in their own way.

00:35:50.692 --> 00:35:51.693
Yeah.

00:35:52.659 --> 00:35:54.019
And I think that's the thing that kind of,

00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:57.264
I wouldn't say made me sad, but like, um,

00:35:57.483 --> 00:35:58.023
it was the thing I was

00:35:58.063 --> 00:35:58.784
reflecting on as well.

00:35:58.804 --> 00:35:59.365
Cause I was talking to

00:35:59.385 --> 00:36:02.047
somebody that was also at, um,

00:36:02.088 --> 00:36:04.130
smart com and I was like, oh yeah,

00:36:04.170 --> 00:36:05.050
we were there as well as

00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:06.172
there was some buddies and blah, blah,

00:36:06.192 --> 00:36:06.333
blah.

00:36:06.353 --> 00:36:07.092
And I was thinking that

00:36:08.394 --> 00:36:09.655
actually like that energy,

00:36:09.956 --> 00:36:10.677
like I couldn't really put

00:36:10.717 --> 00:36:12.237
my finger on why smart com

00:36:12.278 --> 00:36:13.659
bummed me out a little bit as well.

00:36:14.561 --> 00:36:15.302
And I think partly it was

00:36:15.342 --> 00:36:16.362
just I was sleep deprived

00:36:16.382 --> 00:36:17.864
because I just had a small child.

00:36:17.945 --> 00:36:19.405
But I think it was also like

00:36:19.686 --> 00:36:20.585
at the events there,

00:36:20.646 --> 00:36:21.306
there was a lot of that

00:36:21.387 --> 00:36:25.349
same energy where the

00:36:25.429 --> 00:36:26.550
energy and the money in the

00:36:26.610 --> 00:36:30.454
room was from quite boring use cases,

00:36:31.934 --> 00:36:33.456
which weren't novel in any way.

00:36:33.476 --> 00:36:35.137
And it's just very hard to

00:36:35.157 --> 00:36:36.157
get excited about those.

00:36:36.197 --> 00:36:36.838
I don't think those do...

00:36:37.759 --> 00:36:38.458
I don't think those are the

00:36:38.518 --> 00:36:39.539
reasons that any of us got

00:36:39.579 --> 00:36:40.679
into this space or found it

00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:41.880
interesting in the first place.

00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:43.681
And that's not me being negative.

00:36:43.701 --> 00:36:47.101
I think it's just a fact.

00:36:48.081 --> 00:36:49.503
Those may be useful use cases,

00:36:49.543 --> 00:36:50.242
and they may be the use

00:36:50.282 --> 00:36:51.543
cases that all of our

00:36:51.603 --> 00:36:53.103
companies are going to use

00:36:53.143 --> 00:36:54.824
to make money in two years time,

00:36:54.844 --> 00:36:55.844
three years time, four years time,

00:36:55.864 --> 00:36:56.144
whatever.

00:36:58.302 --> 00:37:00.244
But I find it hard.

00:37:00.525 --> 00:37:01.646
That's the kind of shit where you're like,

00:37:01.666 --> 00:37:02.907
yeah, this is interesting.

00:37:02.947 --> 00:37:04.989
This is a way of making money.

00:37:05.090 --> 00:37:06.311
That's the interest here.

00:37:06.431 --> 00:37:07.992
If you want me to work in it

00:37:08.032 --> 00:37:08.853
and take an interest in it,

00:37:08.914 --> 00:37:09.914
then here's the rate card.

00:37:10.536 --> 00:37:14.179
It's not an exciting thing.

00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:15.240
And there was quite a lot of

00:37:15.260 --> 00:37:15.840
stuff like that.

00:37:18.342 --> 00:37:18.864
I agree with you.

00:37:19.043 --> 00:37:20.085
It's tough to get excited

00:37:20.105 --> 00:37:21.766
about something when the

00:37:21.806 --> 00:37:22.847
main keynote speaker is

00:37:23.047 --> 00:37:24.088
from JPMorgan Chase.

00:37:24.889 --> 00:37:26.630
It's difficult to... I was

00:37:26.650 --> 00:37:27.610
trying to get away from this shit,

00:37:27.670 --> 00:37:31.813
and now we're listening to

00:37:31.873 --> 00:37:33.956
use cases about how these

00:37:33.996 --> 00:37:35.277
organizations are not going

00:37:35.297 --> 00:37:36.438
to use our services or

00:37:36.458 --> 00:37:38.239
those types of distributed systems to...

00:37:38.990 --> 00:37:39.650
do anything they're going to

00:37:39.670 --> 00:37:40.112
take advantage of the

00:37:40.132 --> 00:37:41.291
technology and maybe

00:37:41.632 --> 00:37:42.652
recreate something that's

00:37:42.793 --> 00:37:43.594
obviously going to benefit

00:37:43.614 --> 00:37:45.193
them right to that point.

00:37:45.934 --> 00:37:48.115
I also, which, which, but,

00:37:48.835 --> 00:37:50.416
but I think that is a,

00:37:50.757 --> 00:37:52.038
it probably is a necessary

00:37:52.117 --> 00:37:54.179
step to move this forward

00:37:54.219 --> 00:37:55.599
because I think without

00:37:55.619 --> 00:37:56.800
that legitimacy and without

00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.681
some legitimacy is a tough

00:37:58.722 --> 00:38:00.583
word without that component

00:38:01.422 --> 00:38:06.485
and without some of that validation,

00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:10.788
I think the rest of this is

00:38:10.847 --> 00:38:11.789
starting to wind up.

00:38:13.190 --> 00:38:13.351
Right.

00:38:13.510 --> 00:38:15.092
Like there's only so many,

00:38:16.213 --> 00:38:18.335
there's only so many Kujira

00:38:18.635 --> 00:38:19.876
events that can happen or

00:38:19.996 --> 00:38:22.237
Terra threes and all this type of shit.

00:38:22.257 --> 00:38:23.378
People just fucking,

00:38:23.597 --> 00:38:24.259
why am I going to do this?

00:38:24.378 --> 00:38:25.500
Like burn me three times.

00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:25.699
Right.

00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:26.539
Um,

00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:29.302
and so I think some of that might be a

00:38:29.362 --> 00:38:31.824
necessary piece to maybe

00:38:31.903 --> 00:38:36.246
spawn the next set of projects that, um,

00:38:36.626 --> 00:38:38.347
might have better timing, even though,

00:38:38.789 --> 00:38:39.349
even though what they're

00:38:39.369 --> 00:38:40.130
delivering might not be

00:38:40.150 --> 00:38:41.891
necessarily novel or new.

00:38:44.063 --> 00:38:45.664
And, you know,

00:38:46.704 --> 00:38:47.925
maybe these cases are already here.

00:38:48.764 --> 00:38:49.445
Are they in the room with you?

00:38:49.746 --> 00:38:50.726
Maybe these cases are here.

00:38:51.085 --> 00:38:52.467
Are these dials in the room

00:38:52.507 --> 00:38:53.327
with you right now?

00:38:53.748 --> 00:38:54.447
Maybe they're already here.

00:38:54.668 --> 00:38:56.449
Just the timing was incorrect.

00:38:56.688 --> 00:38:57.590
And the delivery was

00:38:57.769 --> 00:38:59.851
obviously way incorrect on some of these.

00:39:00.150 --> 00:39:03.472
And maybe some of that just requires, yeah,

00:39:03.512 --> 00:39:04.233
maybe, I don't know.

00:39:04.472 --> 00:39:04.793
Who knows?

00:39:04.934 --> 00:39:06.735
But I don't think it's a,

00:39:07.235 --> 00:39:07.735
I agree with you.

00:39:07.755 --> 00:39:08.534
Like it's boring.

00:39:09.235 --> 00:39:09.536
And yeah,

00:39:10.353 --> 00:39:12.153
it is concerning.

00:39:12.273 --> 00:39:15.034
I also think it's time for some wins.

00:39:15.974 --> 00:39:17.695
And I do think that some of

00:39:17.715 --> 00:39:19.715
those use cases driven by

00:39:19.956 --> 00:39:22.396
even organizations that I

00:39:22.436 --> 00:39:23.556
would not say would be the

00:39:23.597 --> 00:39:25.998
best representation of the

00:39:26.038 --> 00:39:28.057
future of what's trying to be built,

00:39:29.458 --> 00:39:30.599
it might create some wins.

00:39:31.358 --> 00:39:35.199
And maybe that's a good... I will say,

00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:36.340
one of the interesting

00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:37.340
conversations I had

00:39:38.737 --> 00:39:40.579
because I'm fucking boring as shit.

00:39:40.739 --> 00:39:41.902
Like some of the most

00:39:41.942 --> 00:39:42.842
interesting conversations I

00:39:42.862 --> 00:39:43.664
had were with lawyers,

00:39:43.824 --> 00:39:46.206
but that's no reflection of

00:39:46.226 --> 00:39:47.047
the lawyers themselves who

00:39:47.108 --> 00:39:48.750
are very lovely, interesting people.

00:39:49.971 --> 00:39:51.373
But I have a text question for you.

00:39:52.157 --> 00:39:54.900
But they have a dry subject area.

00:39:55.260 --> 00:39:56.983
I get that what I do is also

00:39:57.023 --> 00:39:58.083
a dry subject area.

00:39:58.143 --> 00:39:59.405
So no disrespect to lawyers.

00:40:00.027 --> 00:40:00.507
Anyway,

00:40:01.889 --> 00:40:02.929
there were some academics working

00:40:02.949 --> 00:40:03.931
on a D-PIN.

00:40:04.731 --> 00:40:06.474
I guess you must know what D-PIN is,

00:40:06.534 --> 00:40:06.715
right?

00:40:07.114 --> 00:40:08.637
This was a new acronym to me.

00:40:09.733 --> 00:40:10.612
so crazy exciting

00:40:11.012 --> 00:40:12.333
decentralized physical

00:40:12.414 --> 00:40:15.293
infrastructure um and they

00:40:15.373 --> 00:40:16.574
were talking about cell

00:40:16.594 --> 00:40:19.014
phone networks right um uh

00:40:19.375 --> 00:40:21.376
so helium right um but

00:40:21.735 --> 00:40:22.655
specifically like they were

00:40:22.795 --> 00:40:23.876
looking at leveraging some

00:40:23.916 --> 00:40:24.777
of the things that have

00:40:24.797 --> 00:40:25.856
been built in that space

00:40:26.456 --> 00:40:28.177
for solar capacity planning

00:40:28.257 --> 00:40:29.737
now I've heard this

00:40:29.918 --> 00:40:31.237
argument a few times I've

00:40:31.277 --> 00:40:32.798
heard it at a smaller

00:40:32.838 --> 00:40:33.998
conference in the uk and

00:40:36.340 --> 00:40:38.440
I've heard it in a very degen, oh,

00:40:38.661 --> 00:40:39.702
let's trade energy credits,

00:40:39.722 --> 00:40:40.981
let's leverage against them, blah, blah,

00:40:41.001 --> 00:40:41.202
blah.

00:40:42.083 --> 00:40:43.463
This was a quite sober

00:40:44.023 --> 00:40:46.143
Swedish academic saying, look,

00:40:46.684 --> 00:40:48.485
we need this to be stable,

00:40:49.224 --> 00:40:52.226
non-speculative, based on a fiat currency,

00:40:52.405 --> 00:40:54.487
but just leveraging infrastructure.

00:40:55.206 --> 00:40:57.449
in order to deliver a market

00:40:57.690 --> 00:40:58.831
for buying and trading

00:40:59.150 --> 00:41:00.391
these credits that's

00:41:00.532 --> 00:41:01.572
basically what we're going

00:41:01.713 --> 00:41:03.454
to do we worked out all of

00:41:03.534 --> 00:41:04.996
the market dynamics we need

00:41:05.016 --> 00:41:06.557
to affect we have all these

00:41:06.637 --> 00:41:08.500
ideas about xyz and we've

00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:09.181
realized if we want to

00:41:09.201 --> 00:41:10.021
deliver in the next four

00:41:10.041 --> 00:41:10.942
years we just need to use

00:41:10.961 --> 00:41:11.762
something existing so we're

00:41:11.782 --> 00:41:14.585
going to use helium um what

00:41:14.606 --> 00:41:15.907
really are they yeah

00:41:16.574 --> 00:41:17.755
And I was talking to them about it.

00:41:17.815 --> 00:41:18.336
I was like, well,

00:41:18.356 --> 00:41:19.057
it kind of sounds like you

00:41:19.077 --> 00:41:20.380
guys need like a stable coin,

00:41:20.420 --> 00:41:21.240
a stable asset and stuff.

00:41:21.260 --> 00:41:22.422
And they were like, oh, well, you know,

00:41:22.442 --> 00:41:23.844
because I didn't fully

00:41:23.864 --> 00:41:25.565
understand this because I'm not.

00:41:26.007 --> 00:41:27.668
Yeah, they do have a well,

00:41:27.688 --> 00:41:29.452
they they trade a few different tokens.

00:41:29.472 --> 00:41:30.472
I don't think any of those are stable,

00:41:30.492 --> 00:41:30.652
though.

00:41:31.353 --> 00:41:32.335
there's there's something to

00:41:32.375 --> 00:41:34.155
do with the way you can if

00:41:34.195 --> 00:41:35.717
you are a holder you can

00:41:35.836 --> 00:41:38.338
issue and burn something in

00:41:38.438 --> 00:41:39.579
such a way that you can

00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:40.800
create like an artificial

00:41:40.860 --> 00:41:42.722
peg I didn't really quite

00:41:42.802 --> 00:41:44.083
follow this argument but

00:41:44.123 --> 00:41:44.983
there's something they're

00:41:45.003 --> 00:41:45.943
just like look it's not

00:41:46.483 --> 00:41:47.284
what we're planning to do

00:41:47.344 --> 00:41:48.045
here is going to be

00:41:48.626 --> 00:41:50.567
substantially less volatile

00:41:50.646 --> 00:41:51.588
than almost any other

00:41:51.608 --> 00:41:52.748
crypto asset we could use

00:41:53.489 --> 00:41:55.409
and although bag holders

00:41:55.670 --> 00:41:57.371
will benefit like if this ever

00:41:57.992 --> 00:41:59.413
became very, very successful.

00:41:59.432 --> 00:42:02.173
And the price would accumulate over time,

00:42:02.193 --> 00:42:02.954
which would eventually

00:42:03.054 --> 00:42:04.335
cause us problems from an

00:42:04.414 --> 00:42:05.255
economic perspective.

00:42:05.295 --> 00:42:06.476
The token became too valuable.

00:42:07.416 --> 00:42:09.617
We would have to rebuild and move.

00:42:09.878 --> 00:42:10.077
Yeah.

00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:11.298
Those are all givens.

00:42:12.657 --> 00:42:14.418
But on a three-year timescale,

00:42:14.978 --> 00:42:16.119
that's probably not going to be an issue.

00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:17.619
And on a three-year timescale,

00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:19.041
it's probably stable enough

00:42:19.061 --> 00:42:19.942
for our needs right now,

00:42:20.021 --> 00:42:21.103
given the volume we're going to have.

00:42:23.224 --> 00:42:25.965
So, you know, that I can respect because,

00:42:26.065 --> 00:42:29.088
you know, I sort of made my standard,

00:42:29.329 --> 00:42:30.829
you know, like, well, okay,

00:42:31.030 --> 00:42:32.291
but I'm a bit concerned about this.

00:42:32.351 --> 00:42:33.150
I'm a bit concerned about that.

00:42:33.231 --> 00:42:34.032
And they're like, yeah, fair enough.

00:42:35.208 --> 00:42:36.148
Those are all correct,

00:42:36.289 --> 00:42:37.349
but they're all correct

00:42:37.389 --> 00:42:38.429
from a kind of platonic

00:42:38.510 --> 00:42:39.751
correctness standpoint.

00:42:40.490 --> 00:42:40.871
And, you know,

00:42:40.891 --> 00:42:43.492
we don't even know if this has legs.

00:42:43.512 --> 00:42:43.693
I mean,

00:42:43.733 --> 00:42:45.594
we know we can point you to a chart

00:42:45.614 --> 00:42:48.856
and say capacity is mismanaged here.

00:42:50.097 --> 00:42:51.878
And it would be good to

00:42:51.958 --> 00:42:54.059
expose the market to do that.

00:42:55.648 --> 00:42:57.268
we have a way of potentially

00:42:57.309 --> 00:42:59.090
doing that or you know it

00:42:59.670 --> 00:43:00.570
might be that a government

00:43:00.590 --> 00:43:02.650
just steps in builds an

00:43:02.690 --> 00:43:04.530
online platform and just

00:43:04.851 --> 00:43:05.992
allows it to be traded via

00:43:06.012 --> 00:43:08.052
there great that solves the

00:43:08.092 --> 00:43:11.793
problem fine you know our

00:43:11.853 --> 00:43:13.014
interest is more in solving

00:43:13.034 --> 00:43:13.954
the problem this is not

00:43:13.974 --> 00:43:14.954
going to make us rich right

00:43:14.974 --> 00:43:16.735
yeah this will make helium

00:43:16.775 --> 00:43:17.795
bag holders gain a bit of

00:43:17.835 --> 00:43:19.775
money we run a ethereum

00:43:20.496 --> 00:43:21.916
sorry a helium validator

00:43:23.327 --> 00:43:24.568
It potentially would make us money.

00:43:25.228 --> 00:43:26.409
It's probably not gonna make us rich,

00:43:26.469 --> 00:43:26.690
right?

00:43:27.510 --> 00:43:28.692
If the government stepped in

00:43:28.731 --> 00:43:29.592
and did it a different way,

00:43:30.273 --> 00:43:31.273
we're not gonna be upset as

00:43:31.313 --> 00:43:32.355
long as the solution works.

00:43:32.414 --> 00:43:32.614
Right.

00:43:33.114 --> 00:43:33.795
So anyway, those,

00:43:33.815 --> 00:43:35.056
those guys were pretty interesting.

00:43:35.157 --> 00:43:36.237
And like, I didn't, I, like,

00:43:36.277 --> 00:43:37.659
I just don't know enough about how the,

00:43:37.759 --> 00:43:37.958
the,

00:43:38.179 --> 00:43:40.161
the helium stuff thrashes out to

00:43:40.201 --> 00:43:40.981
really fully, uh,

00:43:42.021 --> 00:43:43.063
to like pose them any

00:43:44.844 --> 00:43:46.005
interesting technical questions,

00:43:46.025 --> 00:43:46.746
I suppose, about the,

00:43:46.806 --> 00:43:48.007
the operations of it all.

00:43:48.047 --> 00:43:48.967
But it kind of seemed like

00:43:49.628 --> 00:43:50.208
it kind of seemed like they

00:43:50.228 --> 00:43:50.768
had it all on hand.

00:43:50.789 --> 00:43:51.969
And that was actually an interesting.

00:43:52.717 --> 00:43:54.217
An interesting use case,

00:43:54.418 --> 00:43:56.940
albeit a kind of quite boring one.

00:43:56.981 --> 00:43:59.702
But I was like, again, you know,

00:44:00.844 --> 00:44:01.545
the thing that appealed to

00:44:01.585 --> 00:44:03.606
me about it as well as I was like, yeah,

00:44:03.666 --> 00:44:04.887
nobody's going to become

00:44:04.907 --> 00:44:07.510
like a zillionaire for doing this,

00:44:07.550 --> 00:44:08.791
which makes me think that

00:44:08.831 --> 00:44:10.753
it actually is real.

00:44:11.153 --> 00:44:11.693
Whereas like

00:44:12.661 --> 00:44:13.481
I mean, not naming any names,

00:44:13.501 --> 00:44:14.682
but like carbon credits,

00:44:14.702 --> 00:44:15.443
when people fucking talk

00:44:15.463 --> 00:44:16.744
about carbon credits all the time,

00:44:16.764 --> 00:44:17.324
you're just like,

00:44:18.204 --> 00:44:19.184
people make a shitload of

00:44:19.224 --> 00:44:20.204
money off carbon credits,

00:44:20.224 --> 00:44:20.965
which is how you can tell

00:44:20.985 --> 00:44:21.846
that kind of a scam.

00:44:21.865 --> 00:44:22.846
Yeah.

00:44:24.306 --> 00:44:24.806
It was true.

00:44:24.827 --> 00:44:25.907
It's true.

00:44:26.027 --> 00:44:26.626
It's fucking true.

00:44:26.666 --> 00:44:30.148
Like, you know, hey.

00:44:30.369 --> 00:44:31.128
Hey, what's happening?

00:44:33.070 --> 00:44:34.530
And behold,

00:44:34.750 --> 00:44:36.771
the young father in his natural habitat.

00:44:37.552 --> 00:44:37.931
That's right.

00:44:39.092 --> 00:44:41.034
Gaze at the bags under the eyes.

00:44:41.393 --> 00:44:43.934
Droopy eyes and dirty shirt.

00:44:45.016 --> 00:44:46.255
Dirty shirt, my hair.

00:44:46.536 --> 00:44:47.817
You'd see how bad my hair is.

00:44:47.836 --> 00:44:48.717
I have headphones.

00:44:48.737 --> 00:44:49.737
I'm pressing it all in.

00:44:50.777 --> 00:44:52.539
After he has completed the podcast,

00:44:52.699 --> 00:44:53.878
he will return to his lair

00:44:53.918 --> 00:44:54.880
to slumber and feed.

00:44:54.900 --> 00:44:58.440
How you doing, man?

00:44:58.942 --> 00:44:59.961
Nobody's screaming now.

00:45:00.961 --> 00:45:01.882
They will scream soon.

00:45:03.588 --> 00:45:06.811
uh I'm tired um I so we set

00:45:06.851 --> 00:45:08.311
up a our friends set up a

00:45:08.512 --> 00:45:09.733
set up a meal train for us

00:45:10.273 --> 00:45:11.375
oh yeah nice one of the

00:45:11.394 --> 00:45:12.596
people that made us

00:45:12.655 --> 00:45:13.496
something I don't even know

00:45:13.516 --> 00:45:14.097
what it is yet because I

00:45:14.117 --> 00:45:15.197
haven't looked other than

00:45:15.217 --> 00:45:15.938
cupcakes I had one of the

00:45:15.958 --> 00:45:17.340
cupcakes they just took off

00:45:17.420 --> 00:45:18.460
so sorry sorry I'm late

00:45:19.461 --> 00:45:20.583
that's nice a little meal

00:45:20.603 --> 00:45:22.304
train going on that's

00:45:22.324 --> 00:45:23.164
awesome yeah I'd never

00:45:23.204 --> 00:45:24.226
heard of this thing but I'm

00:45:24.246 --> 00:45:25.568
stoked about it it's kind

00:45:25.588 --> 00:45:26.248
of I thought it was a

00:45:26.268 --> 00:45:27.449
yinzer thing actually but I

00:45:27.489 --> 00:45:28.289
think it shows up everywhere

00:45:31.001 --> 00:45:33.623
That might make sense since

00:45:33.963 --> 00:45:35.143
my wife is a yinzer.

00:45:36.625 --> 00:45:40.827
But if your friends are not, I don't know.

00:45:40.927 --> 00:45:43.068
I doubt you guys petitioned

00:45:43.108 --> 00:45:43.728
for a meal train.

00:45:43.929 --> 00:45:45.170
That's true.

00:45:45.190 --> 00:45:48.833
We're already getting comments.

00:45:48.873 --> 00:45:49.994
What the heck is a meal train?

00:45:50.014 --> 00:45:51.034
I didn't want to ask.

00:45:51.094 --> 00:45:52.454
I felt embarrassed asking

00:45:52.494 --> 00:45:53.675
about a thing that I fully

00:45:53.775 --> 00:45:55.717
have never heard of before, but thank you,

00:45:55.737 --> 00:45:56.097
James.

00:45:57.217 --> 00:45:58.559
Well, James is also a yinzer.

00:45:58.579 --> 00:46:00.920
You have to be older, though.

00:46:02.588 --> 00:46:05.469
I think you have to be older.

00:46:05.608 --> 00:46:06.108
Uh, I mean,

00:46:06.409 --> 00:46:07.130
you're the one getting the meal

00:46:07.170 --> 00:46:07.969
train out of us too.

00:46:08.030 --> 00:46:10.690
So just watch your, watch your terms there,

00:46:10.731 --> 00:46:10.931
buddy.

00:46:11.490 --> 00:46:12.751
A meal train typically is when,

00:46:13.512 --> 00:46:14.211
usually it happens,

00:46:14.431 --> 00:46:15.211
it happens for both good

00:46:15.251 --> 00:46:17.253
reasons and also sometimes bad reasons.

00:46:17.992 --> 00:46:18.092
Um,

00:46:18.152 --> 00:46:19.554
but if a family's going through

00:46:19.594 --> 00:46:21.653
something where you just

00:46:21.693 --> 00:46:22.454
might not have the time,

00:46:22.474 --> 00:46:24.034
it could be a baby or it could be, again,

00:46:24.054 --> 00:46:25.356
there's other reasons why you might not,

00:46:25.715 --> 00:46:26.916
like you might be pressing

00:46:26.956 --> 00:46:27.516
on something else.

00:46:27.556 --> 00:46:29.336
Like maybe somebody passes away or maybe,

00:46:29.356 --> 00:46:29.797
you know,

00:46:29.817 --> 00:46:31.737
there's an illness or something else that,

00:46:32.057 --> 00:46:32.157
um,

00:46:32.903 --> 00:46:34.967
that friends and family will

00:46:35.668 --> 00:46:36.869
schedule something to say, hey,

00:46:37.291 --> 00:46:38.211
over the next two weeks,

00:46:39.157 --> 00:46:40.798
you know, every, maybe every day, which is,

00:46:40.838 --> 00:46:41.378
I think too much,

00:46:41.458 --> 00:46:43.199
but usually every day or every other day,

00:46:43.681 --> 00:46:44.641
somebody volunteers and say,

00:46:44.701 --> 00:46:46.121
I'm going to make them a meal and I'll,

00:46:46.222 --> 00:46:46.862
I'll bring them to them.

00:46:47.262 --> 00:46:48.643
So usually like somebody drops it off at,

00:46:48.664 --> 00:46:48.824
you know,

00:46:48.963 --> 00:46:49.684
two or three o'clock or

00:46:49.704 --> 00:46:50.364
something like that.

00:46:50.405 --> 00:46:52.246
And then, and then, which is really nice.

00:46:52.286 --> 00:46:53.186
And then sometimes what

00:46:53.206 --> 00:46:54.166
happens up happening is like,

00:46:54.367 --> 00:46:55.268
you either eat them or they

00:46:55.288 --> 00:46:56.487
start piling up and now you

00:46:56.507 --> 00:46:57.469
feel guilty because you

00:46:57.509 --> 00:46:58.869
have 75 pounds of food that

00:46:58.889 --> 00:46:59.610
people are making for you.

00:46:59.989 --> 00:47:01.170
And you guys are all eating a little bit.

00:47:01.231 --> 00:47:02.512
Cause they always usually make too much,

00:47:02.911 --> 00:47:03.072
right?

00:47:03.152 --> 00:47:03.391
Every,

00:47:03.552 --> 00:47:04.532
they show up with like enough to

00:47:04.552 --> 00:47:05.494
feed like an army and

00:47:05.514 --> 00:47:06.873
there's only two of you, right?

00:47:06.934 --> 00:47:07.934
Like that type of shit happens.

00:47:08.543 --> 00:47:09.744
but that's what we got.

00:47:10.525 --> 00:47:13.266
We got a lasagna on like a full on,

00:47:13.346 --> 00:47:16.786
like a 16 inch tray.

00:47:16.806 --> 00:47:18.248
So we're like, Oh God.

00:47:18.688 --> 00:47:19.989
And then somebody's 20 meals out of it.

00:47:20.208 --> 00:47:20.969
Right.

00:47:21.108 --> 00:47:22.530
Then the next day,

00:47:22.570 --> 00:47:23.869
somebody else shows up with another one.

00:47:23.909 --> 00:47:24.690
You're like, Oh,

00:47:25.130 --> 00:47:26.411
like just put a pause on this thing.

00:47:27.032 --> 00:47:27.172
Yeah.

00:47:27.192 --> 00:47:27.572
Well, yeah.

00:47:27.592 --> 00:47:28.391
So this is literally the

00:47:28.431 --> 00:47:29.873
third lasagna we've received.

00:47:30.193 --> 00:47:32.014
So, which is really nice.

00:47:32.253 --> 00:47:34.114
It's just like, usually they coordinate,

00:47:34.155 --> 00:47:35.235
like you try not to overlap.

00:47:35.255 --> 00:47:35.996
You're like, I'm going to do this.

00:47:36.016 --> 00:47:36.615
I'm going to do that.

00:47:36.715 --> 00:47:37.036
But yeah,

00:47:37.521 --> 00:47:38.501
Um, usually what we've had, we've,

00:47:38.621 --> 00:47:39.362
we've never had one.

00:47:39.402 --> 00:47:39.583
We've,

00:47:39.702 --> 00:47:40.824
we've done a bunch of them for

00:47:40.884 --> 00:47:42.224
different people and we try

00:47:42.324 --> 00:47:43.204
to take it easy.

00:47:43.264 --> 00:47:44.246
Some people just bring groceries.

00:47:44.286 --> 00:47:45.706
Like sometimes you just like bring,

00:47:46.228 --> 00:47:46.427
you know,

00:47:46.467 --> 00:47:48.028
fresh fruits and vegetables and

00:47:48.068 --> 00:47:48.489
stuff like that.

00:47:48.648 --> 00:47:51.110
And anyway, that's a meal.

00:47:51.331 --> 00:47:52.652
Just be like, you're totally exhausted.

00:47:52.672 --> 00:47:54.534
Here's the sub with your own meal.

00:47:54.693 --> 00:47:55.414
Figure it out.

00:47:55.815 --> 00:47:56.735
Yeah.

00:47:57.016 --> 00:47:58.255
Or just like snacks,

00:47:58.436 --> 00:47:59.257
like something where it

00:47:59.277 --> 00:48:00.398
doesn't have to be like a full,

00:48:01.018 --> 00:48:01.858
doesn't be a fucking tray

00:48:01.878 --> 00:48:03.420
of lasagna every time is what I'm saying.

00:48:03.460 --> 00:48:04.081
Like it could be anything.

00:48:04.121 --> 00:48:04.240
Right.

00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:05.681
But, um,

00:48:07.056 --> 00:48:07.315
It could be,

00:48:07.356 --> 00:48:08.416
it could be just a case of beer.

00:48:08.597 --> 00:48:09.436
I think like I brought a

00:48:09.456 --> 00:48:09.956
case of beer once.

00:48:10.016 --> 00:48:10.777
It was like, it's tacky.

00:48:10.797 --> 00:48:11.518
I'm like, no, it's not.

00:48:13.498 --> 00:48:15.358
No, that is not.

00:48:15.759 --> 00:48:16.980
Maybe it's not for everybody in the house,

00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:19.000
but you gotta look at the big picture.

00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:20.400
Like, you know, you add these things up.

00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:20.820
It's not just,

00:48:20.900 --> 00:48:21.940
they're just not just drinking beer.

00:48:22.621 --> 00:48:23.902
I think I had a little bit

00:48:23.942 --> 00:48:27.242
of that whiskey in the first six weeks,

00:48:27.443 --> 00:48:28.943
but like, I mean, I think it was like,

00:48:30.384 --> 00:48:31.505
I think I was about to have

00:48:31.525 --> 00:48:32.684
a nap in the middle of the

00:48:32.744 --> 00:48:34.846
day and the baby finally gone down.

00:48:35.692 --> 00:48:36.572
And I didn't know if it was

00:48:36.612 --> 00:48:37.652
day or night particularly.

00:48:37.692 --> 00:48:39.532
And I was just like, ah, a quiet moment.

00:48:40.052 --> 00:48:40.293
Yeah.

00:48:40.432 --> 00:48:42.092
This looks like a great bottle of whiskey.

00:48:43.494 --> 00:48:44.293
This seems like a really

00:48:44.393 --> 00:48:45.494
sensible thing to do when

00:48:45.514 --> 00:48:47.275
you're totally exhausted is

00:48:47.434 --> 00:48:48.215
drink a bit of whiskey

00:48:48.255 --> 00:48:49.534
while you're in charge of a child.

00:48:49.554 --> 00:48:51.976
Just a little, a wee dram.

00:48:52.115 --> 00:48:53.036
Although it wasn't scotch.

00:48:53.275 --> 00:48:53.715
It's okay.

00:48:53.996 --> 00:48:54.695
Just a little bit.

00:48:55.456 --> 00:48:55.536
Yeah.

00:48:55.556 --> 00:48:57.097
At the end of the day, you know,

00:48:57.177 --> 00:48:57.737
it's like the, you know,

00:48:57.757 --> 00:48:58.916
the Lionel Hutz thing.

00:48:58.976 --> 00:48:59.916
It's like, what's that?

00:49:05.735 --> 00:49:06.175
Oh, dear.

00:49:06.255 --> 00:49:07.456
Very good.

00:49:07.836 --> 00:49:09.057
So things are good at the house?

00:49:11.300 --> 00:49:11.840
Yeah.

00:49:11.860 --> 00:49:13.061
Right now we have a fence

00:49:13.101 --> 00:49:15.324
being built because before

00:49:16.065 --> 00:49:17.905
there was no way of keeping the dogs in.

00:49:18.447 --> 00:49:19.407
So they're actively...

00:49:19.427 --> 00:49:21.409
They're building out there right now?

00:49:21.429 --> 00:49:21.690
Yes.

00:49:22.269 --> 00:49:24.711
Actively putting up the final gate now.

00:49:24.731 --> 00:49:26.773
The swinging gate.

00:49:27.934 --> 00:49:28.335
Oh, right.

00:49:29.215 --> 00:49:29.456
Nice.

00:49:29.797 --> 00:49:31.458
Swings inward, I see.

00:49:32.923 --> 00:49:34.425
inwards yeah so it's we're

00:49:34.445 --> 00:49:35.867
on a flag lot and so we

00:49:35.907 --> 00:49:36.807
actually share a driveway

00:49:36.847 --> 00:49:38.530
with our like in front of

00:49:38.590 --> 00:49:40.112
our house neighbor people

00:49:40.632 --> 00:49:41.713
um and so we have a swing

00:49:41.853 --> 00:49:43.255
in and they're not super

00:49:43.275 --> 00:49:43.976
stoked about it because

00:49:43.996 --> 00:49:45.516
they use part of our like

00:49:48.260 --> 00:49:49.161
second drive area in order

00:49:49.181 --> 00:49:50.963
to like back out but the

00:49:51.003 --> 00:49:51.483
gate's not going to be

00:49:51.503 --> 00:49:52.605
closed all the time it's

00:49:52.644 --> 00:49:53.985
just that like if we want

00:49:54.266 --> 00:49:55.547
you know to be totally locked down

00:49:56.277 --> 00:49:57.557
to let the dogs run around, we can.

00:49:58.338 --> 00:49:58.858
Nice.

00:50:00.681 --> 00:50:02.842
What are those books behind you?

00:50:02.862 --> 00:50:05.684
We look like we're in the

00:50:05.724 --> 00:50:07.907
Nerd Palace now in the new place.

00:50:08.628 --> 00:50:08.867
Yes,

00:50:08.947 --> 00:50:10.108
now I can finally actually set up

00:50:10.148 --> 00:50:11.110
everything I've got.

00:50:11.710 --> 00:50:13.532
This shelf is role-playing games.

00:50:13.693 --> 00:50:15.034
This is some of my role-playing stuff.

00:50:15.614 --> 00:50:18.157
Are those D&D books?

00:50:19.077 --> 00:50:20.478
Bottom two shelves are D&D books.

00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:21.699
Yeah, I know that label.

00:50:22.543 --> 00:50:23.963
Yeah, third shelf is Esther,

00:50:24.003 --> 00:50:25.625
and fourth is L5R,

00:50:25.664 --> 00:50:28.867
which is like Feudal Japan.

00:50:30.509 --> 00:50:32.590
And then other D&D-related,

00:50:32.610 --> 00:50:33.710
Brooklyn-related stuff.

00:50:34.050 --> 00:50:37.512
And then over here is novels,

00:50:37.693 --> 00:50:39.213
graphic novels, comics.

00:50:39.835 --> 00:50:40.315
Pikachu.

00:50:40.775 --> 00:50:43.476
Python books, all sorts of nonsense.

00:50:43.717 --> 00:50:44.358
I said Pikachu.

00:50:45.338 --> 00:50:47.139
You said it.

00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:48.501
Fucking branded it up.

00:50:48.521 --> 00:50:49.902
Yeah.

00:50:50.699 --> 00:50:53.521
Yeah, and then in the center is cigars,

00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:56.121
smoking tobacco, things like that.

00:50:56.141 --> 00:50:57.340
You should put a fridge in there.

00:50:58.782 --> 00:50:59.021
You know,

00:50:59.061 --> 00:51:00.461
I thought about putting a fridge in here.

00:51:01.081 --> 00:51:02.121
We actually have one that's

00:51:02.181 --> 00:51:03.402
just in the garage doing nothing.

00:51:03.583 --> 00:51:04.762
It's a, like,

00:51:04.782 --> 00:51:11.083
36-size wine bottle dual fridge,

00:51:11.164 --> 00:51:11.443
whatever.

00:51:11.704 --> 00:51:12.204
Yeah, dual zone.

00:51:12.224 --> 00:51:13.143
I think that's what I was looking for.

00:51:15.005 --> 00:51:15.585
Haven't decided if it's

00:51:15.605 --> 00:51:16.224
actually coming in yet.

00:51:16.797 --> 00:51:17.657
but it'd be over here you

00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:18.938
would never see it all

00:51:19.298 --> 00:51:20.460
right my other half my

00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:21.219
other half learned how to

00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:25.322
make cheese once and um for

00:51:25.422 --> 00:51:26.882
hard cheeses you need like

00:51:27.043 --> 00:51:28.244
essentially a wine bottle

00:51:28.963 --> 00:51:29.985
fridge because that's the

00:51:30.045 --> 00:51:32.126
right temperature to cure

00:51:32.166 --> 00:51:32.925
cheese like if you don't

00:51:32.945 --> 00:51:34.806
have a cheese cave and so

00:51:34.847 --> 00:51:36.347
we had there was a period

00:51:36.387 --> 00:51:37.268
of time we just had like

00:51:37.429 --> 00:51:38.668
underneath the dining table

00:51:38.708 --> 00:51:39.869
that was like a wine bottle

00:51:39.909 --> 00:51:41.391
fridge and people would be

00:51:41.431 --> 00:51:42.831
like oh getting into wine

00:51:42.911 --> 00:51:43.652
are you and it's like

00:51:44.750 --> 00:51:45.389
Open the door.

00:51:46.570 --> 00:51:47.751
And then obviously it's

00:51:47.811 --> 00:51:51.311
still curing cheese.

00:51:52.351 --> 00:51:54.851
Jesus Christ, what's in there?

00:51:55.251 --> 00:51:57.231
What are you doing in here?

00:51:57.331 --> 00:51:58.592
It turns out it's really

00:51:58.711 --> 00:52:00.172
actually quite hard to make cheese.

00:52:00.233 --> 00:52:01.253
It's a good thing to pay

00:52:01.313 --> 00:52:02.172
somebody else to do.

00:52:02.193 --> 00:52:05.474
So eventually I did leave the house.

00:52:05.594 --> 00:52:07.193
I was enthusiastic about it

00:52:07.813 --> 00:52:08.934
when hard cheese was being

00:52:08.974 --> 00:52:11.695
made because I'm getting

00:52:11.735 --> 00:52:13.454
all the benefit for none of the work, but

00:52:15.295 --> 00:52:19.096
One of the weird things

00:52:19.155 --> 00:52:21.637
about a university you buy

00:52:21.757 --> 00:52:23.376
is world renowned for their cheese.

00:52:23.617 --> 00:52:24.237
They have some sort of

00:52:24.277 --> 00:52:25.376
cheese program or something.

00:52:25.396 --> 00:52:27.858
So you can get really great

00:52:27.878 --> 00:52:30.539
cheeses in a can for pretty cheap.

00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:31.818
That's just divine.

00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.719
So I have no impetus to make cheese.

00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:37.800
They have a cheese course.

00:52:38.059 --> 00:52:40.001
Don't tell my other half that.

00:52:43.916 --> 00:52:45.237
No, I'm supposed to make cheese.

00:52:46.038 --> 00:52:46.199
Yeah,

00:52:46.318 --> 00:52:48.320
you can just go do a whole degree in

00:52:48.340 --> 00:52:49.039
cheesemaking.

00:52:49.621 --> 00:52:52.842
That would be 100% possible.

00:52:54.364 --> 00:52:55.545
When I was asking before

00:52:55.644 --> 00:52:56.485
about how things are going,

00:52:56.565 --> 00:52:59.327
I was kind of not asking about the fence.

00:52:59.467 --> 00:53:00.387
I was really asking about

00:53:01.007 --> 00:53:02.509
the new human that lives in your house.

00:53:04.329 --> 00:53:05.831
How is that part of your life changing?

00:53:06.152 --> 00:53:06.692
How's that going?

00:53:07.807 --> 00:53:08.469
Oh, he's great.

00:53:08.869 --> 00:53:10.610
He's really funny.

00:53:10.952 --> 00:53:13.273
So he pops out, right?

00:53:14.114 --> 00:53:18.300
And the first thing he does

00:53:18.981 --> 00:53:20.983
is he makes one of these

00:53:21.043 --> 00:53:22.344
sounds that my dogs make.

00:53:23.126 --> 00:53:24.628
And so he makes this sound.

00:53:24.967 --> 00:53:26.028
And the midwives and the doula,

00:53:26.048 --> 00:53:26.789
they immediately like...

00:53:27.809 --> 00:53:29.210
kind of like go straight a little bit.

00:53:29.231 --> 00:53:30.552
Like what the hell sound was that?

00:53:30.592 --> 00:53:31.353
I don't recognize that.

00:53:31.373 --> 00:53:31.853
And they gave each other

00:53:31.873 --> 00:53:32.434
weird looks and they're like,

00:53:32.454 --> 00:53:33.614
that was a weird vocalization.

00:53:33.635 --> 00:53:36.056
We were like, that's our Husky.

00:53:36.356 --> 00:53:37.637
That was, that was our Husky noise.

00:53:37.958 --> 00:53:38.239
Like that's,

00:53:38.298 --> 00:53:39.639
that's the noise that my Husky

00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:41.621
makes to like tell everyone to wake up.

00:53:42.742 --> 00:53:43.903
It was just spot on.

00:53:44.483 --> 00:53:46.686
So everything from there, it's hilarious.

00:53:47.266 --> 00:53:47.827
How's he sleeping?

00:53:49.608 --> 00:53:50.728
So his schedule is

00:53:50.768 --> 00:53:51.887
completely inverted right now.

00:53:53.108 --> 00:53:54.548
So right now, he's totally out.

00:53:54.668 --> 00:53:55.489
He sleeps all day long.

00:53:55.528 --> 00:53:56.528
It's great, kind of.

00:53:57.108 --> 00:53:59.150
And then at around 11 p.m.,

00:53:59.349 --> 00:54:02.050
he's up until like 7 a.m.

00:54:02.650 --> 00:54:03.610
Is he eating every couple hours?

00:54:04.590 --> 00:54:05.831
He is eating every couple hours, yeah.

00:54:05.851 --> 00:54:08.251
So he'll wake up every couple hours, eat,

00:54:08.291 --> 00:54:09.032
and then go right back to

00:54:09.072 --> 00:54:11.052
sleep until like 11 p.m.,

00:54:11.112 --> 00:54:12.351
in which case he's just up.

00:54:13.333 --> 00:54:14.432
So what we've been doing is...

00:54:15.628 --> 00:54:15.849
Yeah.

00:54:16.309 --> 00:54:17.112
So we've been doing is I'm

00:54:17.211 --> 00:54:19.034
basically like the sacrificial lamb.

00:54:19.556 --> 00:54:20.657
So I'll stay up while he's

00:54:20.778 --> 00:54:23.242
up so that Cassie can just

00:54:23.342 --> 00:54:24.626
kind of sleep as much as she can.

00:54:24.646 --> 00:54:25.768
Now she doesn't have to get

00:54:25.807 --> 00:54:27.351
up at some point to like feed.

00:54:28.373 --> 00:54:29.813
the feed yeah yeah I mean

00:54:29.853 --> 00:54:31.014
but other than that I just

00:54:31.054 --> 00:54:32.673
kind of stay up and watch a

00:54:32.733 --> 00:54:34.735
lot of tv I put more tv in

00:54:34.934 --> 00:54:35.914
over the last two weeks

00:54:36.554 --> 00:54:38.255
than I think I have over

00:54:38.275 --> 00:54:39.856
the last like five years so

00:54:39.876 --> 00:54:40.775
what's he what's he doing

00:54:40.795 --> 00:54:41.416
when he's awake he's just

00:54:41.456 --> 00:54:43.137
like just looking around

00:54:43.157 --> 00:54:44.376
looking around yeah just

00:54:44.416 --> 00:54:45.777
looking around not like

00:54:45.858 --> 00:54:46.557
freaking out or anything

00:54:46.597 --> 00:54:47.418
else he's just like hey

00:54:47.438 --> 00:54:49.318
what's up yeah pretty much

00:54:49.338 --> 00:54:50.199
just looking right up at me

00:54:50.998 --> 00:54:54.599
yep for like eight hours it's wild

00:54:57.106 --> 00:54:58.666
I, yeah,

00:55:00.188 --> 00:55:01.527
I feel like I maybe paid a bit

00:55:01.588 --> 00:55:02.909
less attention at that point.

00:55:03.068 --> 00:55:05.990
I was like, and you're chill.

00:55:06.110 --> 00:55:07.070
So I'm going to pop you in

00:55:07.090 --> 00:55:08.592
the Moses basket next to me

00:55:08.612 --> 00:55:10.472
and I'm going to just do my, my shit.

00:55:11.934 --> 00:55:13.074
He's chill until you put him down.

00:55:13.393 --> 00:55:15.454
And then he's like, he goes bloody murder.

00:55:15.635 --> 00:55:15.875
Yeah.

00:55:16.315 --> 00:55:17.115
That's crazy.

00:55:18.077 --> 00:55:19.056
That's that's bad luck.

00:55:19.317 --> 00:55:20.577
I have a, I have a picture of, um,

00:55:21.835 --> 00:55:22.295
really,

00:55:22.916 --> 00:55:24.297
when I had my phone stolen in

00:55:24.777 --> 00:55:26.619
Barcelona when we were at SmartCon,

00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:28.119
I was really upset because

00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:29.440
I thought I'd lost this photo,

00:55:29.460 --> 00:55:31.021
but it turned out it was fine.

00:55:31.061 --> 00:55:31.961
I'd sent it to a friend and

00:55:31.981 --> 00:55:32.902
then they sent it back to me.

00:55:34.503 --> 00:55:38.346
But it was like, in fact,

00:55:38.365 --> 00:55:39.686
it was actually literally

00:55:39.766 --> 00:55:40.608
behind me here where

00:55:40.628 --> 00:55:42.188
there's that stack of two

00:55:42.389 --> 00:55:43.528
Marshall heads or whatever.

00:55:43.548 --> 00:55:46.590
The cradle was just in front

00:55:46.630 --> 00:55:47.952
of it and I was just like

00:55:48.492 --> 00:55:49.472
playing and he's just like,

00:55:51.431 --> 00:55:51.670
huh?

00:55:52.811 --> 00:55:54.092
What's, what's going on?

00:55:54.152 --> 00:55:56.313
Are we, are we doing an activity together?

00:55:56.393 --> 00:55:57.833
And it's like, yeah, kind of little guy.

00:55:57.873 --> 00:55:58.393
That's cool.

00:55:59.733 --> 00:56:00.293
That's awesome.

00:56:00.474 --> 00:56:00.914
That's great.

00:56:01.753 --> 00:56:02.295
Yeah.

00:56:02.315 --> 00:56:02.974
He's having none of it.

00:56:02.994 --> 00:56:03.655
If you put them down and

00:56:03.675 --> 00:56:04.934
he's immediately like, I'm out,

00:56:05.275 --> 00:56:06.655
like pick me back up.

00:56:06.876 --> 00:56:07.615
This is nonsense.

00:56:07.815 --> 00:56:08.195
Do better.

00:56:08.976 --> 00:56:09.257
They do.

00:56:09.297 --> 00:56:10.137
I mean, they, they,

00:56:10.297 --> 00:56:13.797
they're also just like until they're,

00:56:13.898 --> 00:56:15.179
until they're 12 weeks old,

00:56:15.338 --> 00:56:16.179
they're just like,

00:56:17.179 --> 00:56:18.099
they should still be

00:56:18.260 --> 00:56:19.179
cooking in the oven and,

00:56:20.706 --> 00:56:22.487
So it's not really surprising, is it?

00:56:23.586 --> 00:56:23.726
No.

00:56:23.766 --> 00:56:26.628
Like, they're just so, they're so, ah,

00:56:26.748 --> 00:56:26.989
yeah.

00:56:28.309 --> 00:56:28.849
Whatever, man.

00:56:29.630 --> 00:56:31.289
Because you look back, you look back,

00:56:31.429 --> 00:56:32.411
even like at this point,

00:56:32.431 --> 00:56:33.751
I don't even know about where Serp is,

00:56:33.791 --> 00:56:35.931
but like, even at like 18 months,

00:56:36.132 --> 00:56:37.213
and you're just like,

00:56:38.333 --> 00:56:39.653
you see a picture of them as a baby,

00:56:39.673 --> 00:56:41.875
and you're like, dude, what?

00:56:43.641 --> 00:56:45.682
This now very heavy human

00:56:45.702 --> 00:56:47.523
that's given me chronic

00:56:47.543 --> 00:56:50.907
back pain was that tiny?

00:56:50.927 --> 00:56:51.646
What the fuck?

00:56:51.666 --> 00:56:52.688
You see a picture of them in

00:56:52.728 --> 00:56:53.969
the palm of your hand and you're like,

00:56:55.329 --> 00:56:56.090
that doesn't add up.

00:56:57.751 --> 00:56:57.952
Yep.

00:56:58.891 --> 00:57:01.253
Yeah, well, so yes,

00:57:01.733 --> 00:57:02.795
I can kind of relate already.

00:57:03.335 --> 00:57:05.416
So he lost 14% of his body

00:57:05.436 --> 00:57:06.998
weight in the first three days.

00:57:09.340 --> 00:57:10.260
Which is pretty normal,

00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:11.001
but 14% is considered like...

00:57:12.710 --> 00:57:13.771
quite a bit less.

00:57:14.192 --> 00:57:15.934
Normally, 10% is pretty okay.

00:57:16.253 --> 00:57:17.454
14%, they're kind of like, ah.

00:57:18.135 --> 00:57:19.876
Keep an eye on it.

00:57:19.978 --> 00:57:22.039
And now he's gaining two ounces a day,

00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:24.862
which is double normal, I guess.

00:57:25.322 --> 00:57:26.242
And so the middle is like, wow,

00:57:26.282 --> 00:57:27.744
he's really going to town.

00:57:28.577 --> 00:57:29.338
picking up that weight.

00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:30.800
So it was all nighters.

00:57:31.820 --> 00:57:32.380
Yeah.

00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:33.621
Unit confirmed.

00:57:34.882 --> 00:57:37.125
Um, yeah, they just, they just ended up,

00:57:37.364 --> 00:57:38.005
they just ended up doing

00:57:38.045 --> 00:57:38.865
really strange things.

00:57:38.965 --> 00:57:41.668
Like the, we, we had to have, like,

00:57:42.128 --> 00:57:42.728
we had some like

00:57:42.748 --> 00:57:43.570
complications at the end of

00:57:43.590 --> 00:57:44.010
the pregnancy.

00:57:44.030 --> 00:57:44.891
Cause they were like, we can't,

00:57:44.931 --> 00:57:46.291
we don't know how big the child is.

00:57:46.351 --> 00:57:48.753
And then when he came out, it was like, Oh,

00:57:48.793 --> 00:57:49.474
he's really long.

00:57:50.235 --> 00:57:50.954
He's really long.

00:57:51.135 --> 00:57:52.016
And he was curled up.

00:57:52.536 --> 00:57:53.878
And so it turned out he was

00:57:53.918 --> 00:57:55.079
like literally a fine weight.

00:57:55.099 --> 00:57:55.818
It was totally fine.

00:57:55.838 --> 00:57:56.619
He was putting on weight.

00:57:57.351 --> 00:57:59.393
we didn't even need to stress out about it,

00:58:00.153 --> 00:58:00.534
whatever.

00:58:00.974 --> 00:58:02.534
But then like the first few, few months,

00:58:02.554 --> 00:58:04.036
same, he didn't, he put on like,

00:58:04.255 --> 00:58:05.277
but obviously put on some weight,

00:58:05.516 --> 00:58:06.777
but he just like shot up.

00:58:06.918 --> 00:58:09.500
And he's like, I think he's now 18 months.

00:58:09.539 --> 00:58:11.481
He's only something like 10

00:58:11.481 --> 00:58:12.882
or 15 centimeters longer

00:58:12.902 --> 00:58:14.563
than he was at six months.

00:58:15.762 --> 00:58:18.324
He was so he was in the 99th percentile,

00:58:18.423 --> 00:58:19.824
I think for weight and

00:58:19.864 --> 00:58:21.806
height at that point.

00:58:22.085 --> 00:58:24.547
And then it's, and then you're like, oh no,

00:58:24.586 --> 00:58:26.168
this is like, this is a bit much,

00:58:26.268 --> 00:58:28.088
like this is not on a normal chart.

00:58:28.188 --> 00:58:29.528
And now he's just like 50th

00:58:29.568 --> 00:58:30.509
percentile or whatever,

00:58:31.010 --> 00:58:32.469
just like completely normal chunker.

00:58:32.489 --> 00:58:35.692
Uh, but he was just like, yeah.

00:58:37.492 --> 00:58:38.753
How big was he when he actually came out?

00:58:40.333 --> 00:58:40.994
Like weight wise.

00:58:41.601 --> 00:58:42.360
Weight-wise, yeah.

00:58:43.902 --> 00:58:44.681
How many stone?

00:58:44.702 --> 00:58:46.882
I was trying to do the math.

00:58:46.902 --> 00:58:50.523
I was like, I want to say like 3.1 kilos,

00:58:50.543 --> 00:58:51.643
something around that range.

00:58:51.682 --> 00:58:53.204
So like lighter than normal.

00:58:54.083 --> 00:58:55.603
Lighter than what you maybe expect.

00:58:56.063 --> 00:58:57.125
But he was like, yeah,

00:58:57.125 --> 00:59:00.844
99% off land or something like that.

00:59:00.864 --> 00:59:01.445
95% off land.

00:59:02.465 --> 00:59:03.226
Yeah, they were like,

00:59:03.925 --> 00:59:04.925
this is why we couldn't get

00:59:04.945 --> 00:59:05.686
a good measurement.

00:59:05.746 --> 00:59:06.887
And this is why we couldn't

00:59:06.927 --> 00:59:07.746
see it properly on the

00:59:10.048 --> 00:59:12.793
sonar guy thing it's like

00:59:12.813 --> 00:59:14.554
they and they have no we

00:59:14.574 --> 00:59:15.195
had the same thing like

00:59:15.215 --> 00:59:16.036
they thought one of our

00:59:16.056 --> 00:59:17.257
kids was like massive and

00:59:17.298 --> 00:59:18.320
it was totally normal it

00:59:18.340 --> 00:59:19.280
was like seven pounds or

00:59:19.300 --> 00:59:19.981
seven and a half or

00:59:20.643 --> 00:59:21.483
something like that it was something

00:59:22.132 --> 00:59:23.653
I don't know how they try to

00:59:23.773 --> 00:59:24.974
determine what that weight is,

00:59:25.074 --> 00:59:27.317
but it doesn't really work.

00:59:27.336 --> 00:59:28.277
I think they basically try

00:59:28.297 --> 00:59:29.818
and measure some core parts of the body,

00:59:29.878 --> 00:59:31.739
and then they infer from a model.

00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:35.103
A mate of mine that I was

00:59:35.163 --> 00:59:37.264
hanging out with today is a pediatrician,

00:59:37.405 --> 00:59:39.146
and when we were having the

00:59:39.186 --> 00:59:40.827
problems about them being like, oh,

00:59:40.847 --> 00:59:42.148
we don't know how big he is, blah, blah,

00:59:42.168 --> 00:59:44.190
blah, blah, he was just like,

00:59:44.210 --> 00:59:45.550
this is all bullshit, by the way.

00:59:46.431 --> 00:59:47.192
They're going to try a whole

00:59:47.211 --> 00:59:47.853
bunch of stuff.

00:59:48.233 --> 00:59:48.333
Yeah.

00:59:48.608 --> 00:59:49.128
They're going to come up

00:59:49.148 --> 00:59:50.510
with a weight and they're

00:59:50.550 --> 00:59:52.070
either going to like then

00:59:52.170 --> 00:59:53.570
do some more medical shit

00:59:53.949 --> 00:59:55.371
or not based on that.

00:59:55.931 --> 00:59:57.590
Like, and they will be wrong.

00:59:58.851 --> 00:59:59.112
He's like,

00:59:59.132 --> 01:00:00.172
they will a hundred percent be wrong.

01:00:00.211 --> 01:00:02.932
I guarantee you, like, they don't know.

01:00:03.492 --> 01:00:04.373
They're just trying their best,

01:00:04.432 --> 01:00:05.172
but they will be wrong.

01:00:05.753 --> 01:00:06.313
And then like,

01:00:06.333 --> 01:00:08.393
it all got like super complicated.

01:00:08.454 --> 01:00:08.673
Cool.

01:00:08.693 --> 01:00:09.494
Turned out fine.

01:00:10.255 --> 01:00:11.655
Turned out to be a totally normal size.

01:00:12.434 --> 01:00:14.215
And like, he was just like, told you.

01:00:16.510 --> 01:00:18.331
It's fine as like helpful.

01:00:18.510 --> 01:00:20.291
That's really helpful energy right now.

01:00:20.311 --> 01:00:22.413
Uh, I am very sleep deprived.

01:00:22.432 --> 01:00:25.273
It's like, yeah, but like he came over,

01:00:25.293 --> 01:00:25.914
hold the little guy.

01:00:25.934 --> 01:00:27.474
He's like, this baby is fine.

01:00:27.994 --> 01:00:29.456
I told you the baby would be fired up.

01:00:29.476 --> 01:00:29.596
Like,

01:00:29.615 --> 01:00:31.215
I know I thought it would be fine too.

01:00:32.376 --> 01:00:34.358
He's like, just, you know, whatever.

01:00:34.378 --> 01:00:35.157
And it's like, well,

01:00:35.217 --> 01:00:37.219
it's good that it's good that you know,

01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:38.739
what's going on, but you know,

01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:39.980
it would also be weird if

01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.661
you were my doctor, a doctor,

01:00:42.681 --> 01:00:44.342
my doctor anyway.

01:00:48.789 --> 01:00:50.510
so do we want to talk about

01:00:50.590 --> 01:00:52.693
some of the goings on in

01:00:52.733 --> 01:00:55.094
the cosmos do we have to I

01:00:55.153 --> 01:00:56.894
feel like once again our

01:00:57.255 --> 01:00:59.117
news researcher has been um

01:01:00.797 --> 01:01:03.018
vigilanteing the creation

01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:06.641
of news so you know that

01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:08.402
that in itself is you know

01:01:08.422 --> 01:01:10.423
in a very limited sense you

01:01:10.463 --> 01:01:11.684
said but I i would say that

01:01:12.945 --> 01:01:15.427
the game of notes is sponsoring

01:01:17.304 --> 01:01:19.465
investigative journalism in

01:01:19.947 --> 01:01:20.827
a limited sense.

01:01:23.608 --> 01:01:24.630
We're definitely contributing.

01:01:25.891 --> 01:01:30.815
Yeah.

01:01:30.994 --> 01:01:33.277
Nobody's here to argue that point.

01:01:34.958 --> 01:01:36.478
I think that we can state

01:01:36.699 --> 01:01:39.740
that we are financially

01:01:39.780 --> 01:01:41.643
contributing to strong

01:01:41.702 --> 01:01:42.664
investigative reporting.

01:01:43.784 --> 01:01:44.485
That's a true statement.

01:01:45.413 --> 01:01:48.817
yeah right I mean you can't

01:01:48.836 --> 01:01:50.800
you can't you can't deny

01:01:50.860 --> 01:01:52.021
that like that's we have

01:01:52.061 --> 01:01:53.141
the it's on the blockchain

01:01:56.005 --> 01:01:57.807
it's literally to be fair

01:01:58.007 --> 01:01:59.469
it is quite literally on

01:01:59.489 --> 01:02:01.532
the blockchain yeah we'll

01:02:01.552 --> 01:02:04.335
take it god damn um

01:02:05.632 --> 01:02:06.731
Where do you want to start?

01:02:07.172 --> 01:02:07.353
Yeah.

01:02:07.413 --> 01:02:08.713
Where do you want to start with this?

01:02:08.733 --> 01:02:10.434
It's absolutely insane.

01:02:10.494 --> 01:02:13.434
So I was trying to say, you know,

01:02:13.474 --> 01:02:13.976
you know what?

01:02:14.255 --> 01:02:14.695
The, the,

01:02:14.755 --> 01:02:17.496
the way the place to start is a

01:02:17.556 --> 01:02:20.777
tweet by the agent agent at,

01:02:21.077 --> 01:02:24.139
at agent neutron on Twitter

01:02:25.300 --> 01:02:27.880
stating dollar sign,

01:02:27.940 --> 01:02:30.621
Coogee getting murdered.

01:02:30.661 --> 01:02:31.643
Yeah.

01:02:33.431 --> 01:02:34.590
I think that's the entry

01:02:34.650 --> 01:02:36.831
point to this conversation.

01:02:36.851 --> 01:02:41.273
So Kajira is dead and who killed it?

01:02:41.932 --> 01:02:42.853
The foundation killed it.

01:02:44.034 --> 01:02:45.273
And why was it killed?

01:02:45.614 --> 01:02:47.353
It was killed, drumroll,

01:02:47.634 --> 01:02:48.414
because they were messing

01:02:48.434 --> 01:02:49.994
around with the hot wallet, right?

01:02:53.356 --> 01:02:54.215
Specifically,

01:02:55.155 --> 01:02:56.077
now this is the bit where you

01:02:56.117 --> 01:02:57.177
might have to correct me,

01:02:59.817 --> 01:03:01.757
they were leveraged, well, so they were

01:03:03.512 --> 01:03:06.534
they were leveraged in order

01:03:06.574 --> 01:03:08.875
to back up other liquidity positions.

01:03:09.454 --> 01:03:09.635
Yeah.

01:03:09.954 --> 01:03:11.976
And they started getting called, I think.

01:03:12.576 --> 01:03:12.735
Well,

01:03:12.755 --> 01:03:13.896
I think there was manipulation of

01:03:13.916 --> 01:03:15.356
those markets to make those

01:03:15.376 --> 01:03:15.976
start to fail.

01:03:16.717 --> 01:03:17.257
Right, right.

01:03:17.458 --> 01:03:17.557
Oh,

01:03:17.577 --> 01:03:19.478
so it was specifically market

01:03:19.498 --> 01:03:20.298
manipulation then?

01:03:20.998 --> 01:03:22.099
It was, yeah.

01:03:22.260 --> 01:03:23.679
I think it was someone,

01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:24.840
some group that was

01:03:24.900 --> 01:03:25.860
specifically targeting

01:03:25.981 --> 01:03:32.103
these wallets that were going against

01:03:34.605 --> 01:03:35.405
They were specifically

01:03:35.445 --> 01:03:36.246
targeting these wallets

01:03:36.286 --> 01:03:37.527
that held these positions

01:03:37.628 --> 01:03:41.811
to try to destabilize that token, yes.

01:03:43.112 --> 01:03:43.353
Right.

01:03:44.074 --> 01:03:47.376
So, yeah, I mean, it's kind of interesting,

01:03:47.577 --> 01:03:48.117
isn't it?

01:03:48.657 --> 01:03:49.559
I think it's always funny

01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:54.824
that... It's always funny

01:03:54.884 --> 01:03:57.706
when the idea of the DAO comes around.

01:03:58.186 --> 01:03:58.708
It's always like...

01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:00.820
It's always after.

01:04:01.641 --> 01:04:04.121
What's the song I'm thinking of?

01:04:04.141 --> 01:04:05.402
When the man comes around?

01:04:06.043 --> 01:04:06.563
Yeah.

01:04:07.023 --> 01:04:08.143
When the Dow comes around?

01:04:08.423 --> 01:04:09.204
The party's over.

01:04:09.764 --> 01:04:10.445
It's all gone.

01:04:10.465 --> 01:04:11.445
They're just sweeping up

01:04:11.485 --> 01:04:12.224
shit all over the floor.

01:04:12.264 --> 01:04:13.126
And they go, yeah,

01:04:13.826 --> 01:04:16.706
we should create a Dow that's allowed.

01:04:16.887 --> 01:04:17.608
It went for genius.

01:04:21.288 --> 01:04:22.648
With the initial mandate to

01:04:22.708 --> 01:04:24.451
safely reduce debt, like,

01:04:24.590 --> 01:04:25.452
like this is like they're

01:04:25.512 --> 01:04:26.693
forward thinking like, Hey,

01:04:26.873 --> 01:04:27.594
I got a great idea.

01:04:27.614 --> 01:04:28.414
What we should do.

01:04:28.974 --> 01:04:30.836
We should, we should try to,

01:04:31.217 --> 01:04:33.398
we can't take away the 124

01:04:33.398 --> 01:04:34.239
million that we lost,

01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:36.282
but we should totally.

01:04:36.876 --> 01:04:37.797
take it out of our hands

01:04:37.818 --> 01:04:38.579
because we clearly know

01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:39.518
what the fuck we're doing

01:04:39.539 --> 01:04:41.061
we should do it in a way to

01:04:41.081 --> 01:04:42.702
doubt also very crucially

01:04:42.762 --> 01:04:43.782
let's let's take the

01:04:43.842 --> 01:04:45.264
responsibility out of our

01:04:45.304 --> 01:04:46.766
hands so we can quietly

01:04:46.885 --> 01:04:48.166
smoke bomb and rug pull

01:04:48.226 --> 01:04:50.309
away yeah or until the

01:04:50.349 --> 01:04:53.010
night we can like genuinely

01:04:53.050 --> 01:04:55.773
they'll just be like I mean

01:04:56.054 --> 01:04:58.054
fuck it could be wrong but

01:04:58.936 --> 01:05:00.097
it does also feel like

01:05:04.264 --> 01:05:04.503
you know,

01:05:04.523 --> 01:05:06.224
what are they going to do to come

01:05:06.264 --> 01:05:06.744
back from this?

01:05:06.806 --> 01:05:08.527
Are they going to hang around and be like,

01:05:08.606 --> 01:05:08.827
right?

01:05:08.867 --> 01:05:09.327
Yeah, cool.

01:05:09.347 --> 01:05:10.648
Let's keep on building.

01:05:10.668 --> 01:05:12.088
Well, I mean, aid,

01:05:12.168 --> 01:05:15.530
I was supposedly in the mix to, uh,

01:05:17.592 --> 01:05:18.773
to be able to, I don't,

01:05:18.972 --> 01:05:20.233
I don't think bailouts the right word,

01:05:20.273 --> 01:05:21.873
but be able to basically be

01:05:21.893 --> 01:05:22.835
able to provide some,

01:05:23.476 --> 01:05:24.757
liquidity to bring this back.

01:05:24.898 --> 01:05:26.219
And then now it's all about,

01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:28.762
was it Tron that's stepping

01:05:28.842 --> 01:05:29.623
up or something like that?

01:05:29.643 --> 01:05:30.485
Although I haven't heard

01:05:30.505 --> 01:05:31.365
anything related to that.

01:05:31.405 --> 01:05:31.985
Maybe somebody in the

01:05:32.005 --> 01:05:33.108
comments knows what's going on with that.

01:05:33.148 --> 01:05:34.949
I heard that that was being thrown around.

01:05:34.969 --> 01:05:35.010
Uh,

01:05:36.391 --> 01:05:38.313
I retweeted the tweet cause the aid out

01:05:38.333 --> 01:05:40.496
comment was like, um,

01:05:41.275 --> 01:05:43.315
adoc adoc out was like hey

01:05:43.356 --> 01:05:44.115
we would like to do this

01:05:44.155 --> 01:05:44.916
but we looked at it and

01:05:44.996 --> 01:05:45.916
like it's way too risky

01:05:46.376 --> 01:05:47.217
like it was really well

01:05:47.257 --> 01:05:48.318
worded and it was a very

01:05:48.918 --> 01:05:50.418
thor chain sorry sorry what

01:05:50.438 --> 01:05:51.719
did I say what did I say

01:05:51.798 --> 01:05:53.219
anyway you said uh you said

01:05:53.260 --> 01:05:54.940
tron yeah I didn't correct

01:05:54.980 --> 01:05:56.860
you because uh I was like

01:05:57.021 --> 01:05:57.762
wait I thought it was the

01:05:57.822 --> 01:05:59.422
one with the rainbow yeah

01:05:59.782 --> 01:06:01.443
not the one with the coin

01:06:01.623 --> 01:06:02.824
and then I was like I can't

01:06:02.844 --> 01:06:04.063
say that out loud and I'm

01:06:04.083 --> 01:06:05.224
too tired to actually

01:06:05.244 --> 01:06:06.184
remember the name of the chain

01:06:07.081 --> 01:06:09.143
Yeah, not fucking Trot.

01:06:09.603 --> 01:06:10.344
ThorChain, sorry.

01:06:10.503 --> 01:06:14.487
And from what Funky just said,

01:06:14.507 --> 01:06:15.208
that was scratched.

01:06:15.268 --> 01:06:17.048
Apparently, they offered hardly anything.

01:06:17.188 --> 01:06:17.369
Well,

01:06:17.409 --> 01:06:19.070
hardly anything might be a pretty

01:06:19.110 --> 01:06:21.431
good deal here coming up.

01:06:22.693 --> 01:06:26.195
I think the Adam Accelerator looked at it,

01:06:26.456 --> 01:06:27.596
and they had a very nice

01:06:28.177 --> 01:06:29.478
set of tweets that basically said, hey,

01:06:29.518 --> 01:06:31.259
it's not for us,

01:06:31.759 --> 01:06:32.619
which there was a lot of.

01:06:35.173 --> 01:06:36.494
a lot of comments on both sides of that,

01:06:36.675 --> 01:06:37.855
that they should have taken it over.

01:06:38.755 --> 01:06:41.056
And, um, another said, you know, we, we,

01:06:41.137 --> 01:06:42.677
we need, there needs to be a use case.

01:06:42.697 --> 01:06:44.559
This is a good, it's a great platform.

01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:45.900
Why don't you take it over?

01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:47.641
Another one's said, you know,

01:06:47.661 --> 01:06:50.862
this seems like it's a mess and, you know,

01:06:50.922 --> 01:06:52.083
good job and staying away from it.

01:06:52.143 --> 01:06:52.463
So there's,

01:06:52.483 --> 01:06:53.903
there's comments on both sides of that,

01:06:53.983 --> 01:06:55.764
but I'm guessing what they saw, um,

01:06:57.164 --> 01:06:57.885
wasn't great.

01:07:00.507 --> 01:07:01.947
And probably, yeah, apparently.

01:07:02.813 --> 01:07:04.813
The word risk came up a couple of times.

01:07:06.253 --> 01:07:08.673
So was this an event at

01:07:08.693 --> 01:07:10.315
least partly caused by... No,

01:07:10.335 --> 01:07:13.275
so this was a few days ago, wasn't it?

01:07:13.315 --> 01:07:14.775
So it wasn't actually part

01:07:14.795 --> 01:07:16.315
of the current market

01:07:16.356 --> 01:07:17.175
instability that we've

01:07:17.195 --> 01:07:20.077
literally seen this week.

01:07:20.376 --> 01:07:21.356
This was separate market

01:07:21.376 --> 01:07:22.838
instability of one week ago.

01:07:23.338 --> 01:07:26.298
Yeah, it was days after the terror thing.

01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:27.119
Nothing to do with it.

01:07:27.619 --> 01:07:28.119
Totally separate.

01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:31.179
Yeah.

01:07:31.780 --> 01:07:32.099
Cool stuff.

01:07:33.396 --> 01:07:34.617
which is too bad like the

01:07:34.657 --> 01:07:36.619
kujira team like it's a

01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:37.719
good team and it was good

01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:39.880
product and like this type

01:07:39.900 --> 01:07:43.023
of stuff um like I don't

01:07:43.043 --> 01:07:45.525
really understand how these

01:07:45.585 --> 01:07:46.987
things were how these

01:07:47.288 --> 01:07:48.889
positions that were wiped

01:07:48.969 --> 01:07:50.831
and like and how kuji backs

01:07:50.951 --> 01:07:52.271
up some of those types of

01:07:52.291 --> 01:07:54.753
pieces but I think that um

01:07:57.253 --> 01:07:59.833
I think that when found this

01:07:59.873 --> 01:08:00.893
has happened a few times, right?

01:08:01.934 --> 01:08:02.313
Yeah.

01:08:02.333 --> 01:08:02.373
Um,

01:08:03.713 --> 01:08:05.074
I don't know if a Dow is the right

01:08:05.193 --> 01:08:05.715
answer here.

01:08:05.795 --> 01:08:07.235
And like, I don't think, no, that is,

01:08:07.375 --> 01:08:10.896
but there, this is a, uh, well,

01:08:10.936 --> 01:08:13.456
not now in its current state of maturity.

01:08:13.556 --> 01:08:13.775
Right.

01:08:13.835 --> 01:08:17.577
Because to, to manage $35 million,

01:08:18.877 --> 01:08:19.796
you need a plan.

01:08:20.356 --> 01:08:21.478
No, it was a hundred and no,

01:08:21.497 --> 01:08:22.337
it was more than that, dude.

01:08:22.358 --> 01:08:23.217
It was like a hundred and

01:08:23.398 --> 01:08:24.037
fucking something.

01:08:24.554 --> 01:08:28.416
It was $124 million at peak, right?

01:08:28.777 --> 01:08:32.618
It's about $35 million as of this week,

01:08:32.679 --> 01:08:33.840
possibly less, actually,

01:08:33.859 --> 01:08:35.560
is my understanding.

01:08:36.201 --> 01:08:36.421
Yeah.

01:08:36.761 --> 01:08:37.841
So, I mean,

01:08:41.404 --> 01:08:46.828
even a make-believe token that they own,

01:08:48.088 --> 01:08:52.511
once there is that level of

01:08:52.570 --> 01:08:53.431
financial ownership,

01:08:54.774 --> 01:08:56.636
This level of control is fucking garbage.

01:08:57.557 --> 01:08:58.979
And it doesn't just affect them.

01:08:59.699 --> 01:09:00.701
It's affected a ton of

01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:03.444
people that had positions and lost a ton,

01:09:04.024 --> 01:09:07.427
even with the stable structure associated,

01:09:07.488 --> 01:09:07.627
right?

01:09:08.488 --> 01:09:10.570
So is this negligent?

01:09:16.091 --> 01:09:17.752
I mean, that's really... I mean,

01:09:18.354 --> 01:09:20.876
there's a whole... And

01:09:21.256 --> 01:09:22.157
we've been talking about it

01:09:22.216 --> 01:09:24.097
on the podcast for literally years now,

01:09:24.177 --> 01:09:24.538
actually,

01:09:25.078 --> 01:09:26.780
about how centralized team

01:09:26.820 --> 01:09:30.783
structures are really, like you say,

01:09:30.823 --> 01:09:32.725
in that situation, like a real,

01:09:32.805 --> 01:09:33.565
real problem.

01:09:33.786 --> 01:09:35.506
And actually, like, you know,

01:09:36.307 --> 01:09:38.550
building the hard thing in terms of, like,

01:09:38.609 --> 01:09:39.329
trying to figure out the

01:09:39.369 --> 01:09:41.551
tech of your organizational structure,

01:09:41.572 --> 01:09:42.993
but also trying to figure out the tech of,

01:09:43.052 --> 01:09:43.274
like...

01:09:44.201 --> 01:09:45.421
things that you have to do up front,

01:09:45.480 --> 01:09:46.721
like privacy and whatnot,

01:09:47.341 --> 01:09:48.862
are pretty important from getting around.

01:09:49.863 --> 01:09:50.903
There's a reason that

01:09:50.943 --> 01:09:53.344
regulators don't like private tokens.

01:09:54.083 --> 01:09:55.503
It's because they can't

01:09:55.564 --> 01:09:58.704
prove negligence either.

01:09:58.864 --> 01:09:59.985
So you have some additional

01:10:00.025 --> 01:10:01.725
operational autonomy, potentially,

01:10:03.127 --> 01:10:03.766
if you do that.

01:10:03.846 --> 01:10:04.606
But additionally,

01:10:05.688 --> 01:10:07.207
the real smoking gun here

01:10:07.287 --> 01:10:08.648
is not solved by privacy or

01:10:08.707 --> 01:10:09.809
additional technological...

01:10:10.855 --> 01:10:12.796
whiz bangery it's it's the

01:10:13.157 --> 01:10:14.358
operationally this is

01:10:14.398 --> 01:10:15.597
obviously yeah

01:10:15.717 --> 01:10:16.679
operationally they they

01:10:16.738 --> 01:10:17.538
didn't have the right

01:10:17.679 --> 01:10:19.020
oversight structure for

01:10:19.060 --> 01:10:20.359
handling 124 million

01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:21.640
dollars like that's a lot

01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:22.780
of money and any other

01:10:22.841 --> 01:10:24.322
organization would have

01:10:24.341 --> 01:10:25.483
thought about it and I get

01:10:25.502 --> 01:10:26.342
it I get it we're building

01:10:26.382 --> 01:10:27.243
the airplane on the way

01:10:27.283 --> 01:10:28.963
down yeah that is the space

01:10:29.024 --> 01:10:33.065
we're in but you know it's

01:10:33.145 --> 01:10:35.046
not hard to see that this

01:10:35.067 --> 01:10:36.507
would be the case just like you know

01:10:38.570 --> 01:10:39.532
we're now veterans of a

01:10:39.572 --> 01:10:40.551
bunch of these problems

01:10:40.572 --> 01:10:41.612
throughout the cosmos.

01:10:41.693 --> 01:10:42.252
And it's like,

01:10:42.432 --> 01:10:45.314
it's also like no surprise that, you know,

01:10:45.333 --> 01:10:46.694
the thing we always said about Juno,

01:10:46.835 --> 01:10:48.114
even when Juno is still

01:10:48.154 --> 01:10:49.655
going up in price or whatever,

01:10:49.716 --> 01:10:51.317
where you go like, Ooh, you know,

01:10:51.356 --> 01:10:51.976
there's some different

01:10:52.016 --> 01:10:53.757
personalities on that team or whatever.

01:10:53.778 --> 01:10:55.878
It's not hard to see in the

01:10:55.918 --> 01:10:56.719
same way that like a

01:10:56.759 --> 01:10:57.699
startup with the wrong

01:10:57.739 --> 01:10:59.359
founders is going to hit a brick wall.

01:11:00.081 --> 01:11:01.881
Like when you scale a startup,

01:11:01.940 --> 01:11:02.761
you end up with all sorts

01:11:02.801 --> 01:11:03.862
of organizational problems

01:11:03.881 --> 01:11:04.802
that you didn't have before.

01:11:05.462 --> 01:11:07.264
And most startups aren't dealing with,

01:11:07.923 --> 01:11:09.164
They don't have as nice to

01:11:09.204 --> 01:11:11.947
have a problem as $124

01:11:11.947 --> 01:11:14.509
million worth of assets to worry about.

01:11:14.929 --> 01:11:17.091
And that they usually, you know,

01:11:17.251 --> 01:11:18.612
they've got like a few

01:11:18.652 --> 01:11:19.851
hundred grand of investor

01:11:19.891 --> 01:11:21.554
money and a bunch of staff

01:11:21.594 --> 01:11:22.293
and they're shitting the

01:11:22.314 --> 01:11:24.275
bed about their organizational dynamics,

01:11:24.296 --> 01:11:26.016
just managing that.

01:11:27.782 --> 01:11:30.122
so I mean this hard you know

01:11:30.722 --> 01:11:32.203
um it is in in these types

01:11:32.243 --> 01:11:33.203
of situations like this

01:11:33.323 --> 01:11:34.023
like it seems like they're

01:11:34.042 --> 01:11:34.703
a little bit over the ski

01:11:34.724 --> 01:11:37.163
tips and someone some group

01:11:37.323 --> 01:11:39.145
recognized it took action

01:11:39.845 --> 01:11:40.625
and it kind of goes it kind

01:11:40.645 --> 01:11:41.444
of reminds me of tarot one

01:11:41.664 --> 01:11:42.685
yeah like the similar type

01:11:42.704 --> 01:11:44.506
structure where you found a

01:11:44.565 --> 01:11:46.546
way to be able to uh to be

01:11:46.565 --> 01:11:49.867
able to break the break the uh

01:11:50.609 --> 01:11:51.590
What's a good analogy?

01:11:51.890 --> 01:11:52.529
Glass mold?

01:11:52.650 --> 01:11:54.671
Like the ice sculpture?

01:11:54.771 --> 01:11:55.493
Whatever the fuck it is.

01:11:55.993 --> 01:11:56.833
Speaking of Terra...

01:11:57.694 --> 01:12:00.296
Speaking of Terra... Yeah.

01:12:00.737 --> 01:12:03.279
So unlike a failure of governance,

01:12:03.298 --> 01:12:04.078
this looks like just a

01:12:04.179 --> 01:12:06.501
failure of... Git merge?

01:12:09.542 --> 01:12:09.823
Yeah.

01:12:11.024 --> 01:12:11.244
Yeah.

01:12:11.324 --> 01:12:14.527
So anyway, so Terra had a patch.

01:12:15.287 --> 01:12:15.728
There was a known...

01:12:19.502 --> 01:12:21.002
defect bug, whatever,

01:12:21.484 --> 01:12:23.085
in the IBC hooks module.

01:12:23.985 --> 01:12:25.868
This was back in April of this year.

01:12:25.887 --> 01:12:27.569
I remember a whole bunch of

01:12:27.689 --> 01:12:29.612
fucking emergency upgrades

01:12:29.652 --> 01:12:30.512
associated to this.

01:12:31.694 --> 01:12:33.095
The way I understand it is

01:12:33.114 --> 01:12:34.596
that Terra did patch this back in April.

01:12:35.859 --> 01:12:38.180
And somehow that patch did

01:12:38.240 --> 01:12:40.100
not make it through to the

01:12:40.161 --> 01:12:41.341
next version of Terra that

01:12:41.362 --> 01:12:41.942
was pushed out.

01:12:43.402 --> 01:12:43.721
Yeah,

01:12:43.962 --> 01:12:46.203
so it was a cock up with the IBC

01:12:46.262 --> 01:12:47.323
hooks version.

01:12:47.563 --> 01:12:49.703
Oh, so Funky said in the chat,

01:12:49.863 --> 01:12:50.663
I think it's related to the

01:12:50.743 --> 01:12:52.864
IBC version that had

01:12:52.944 --> 01:12:55.046
patches in that was rolled

01:12:55.105 --> 01:12:56.586
out across the cosmos a little while ago.

01:12:58.287 --> 01:13:02.851
And they had unpatched somehow.

01:13:03.073 --> 01:13:04.413
This is the bit I don't understand.

01:13:04.474 --> 01:13:04.954
So, yeah,

01:13:04.975 --> 01:13:08.537
Funky's saying in the chat they

01:13:08.597 --> 01:13:10.859
rolled the chain state back or something.

01:13:10.899 --> 01:13:14.503
So if the change was state breaking,

01:13:14.564 --> 01:13:15.225
then they would have had to

01:13:15.864 --> 01:13:17.667
completely roll back the

01:13:17.707 --> 01:13:19.529
change including the

01:13:19.569 --> 01:13:21.131
protocol like the

01:13:21.171 --> 01:13:22.172
compatibility layer and

01:13:22.233 --> 01:13:23.434
also rewrite any affected

01:13:23.475 --> 01:13:25.537
data so I don't think it

01:13:25.577 --> 01:13:26.798
was that I think it must

01:13:26.819 --> 01:13:28.199
have been just a pure code

01:13:28.501 --> 01:13:30.363
code side dependency issue um

01:13:33.274 --> 01:13:35.435
But yeah, it was rollback.

01:13:36.215 --> 01:13:37.354
Rama says there's never

01:13:37.595 --> 01:13:39.336
proof in GitHub that they had patched it.

01:13:39.956 --> 01:13:40.456
That's what I heard,

01:13:40.496 --> 01:13:42.356
but that might be... That's sweet.

01:13:42.476 --> 01:13:43.037
That's even better.

01:13:43.056 --> 01:13:43.837
Fucking perfect.

01:13:43.856 --> 01:13:45.256
Eh, fuck it.

01:13:45.317 --> 01:13:46.537
So I think what probably

01:13:46.578 --> 01:13:48.137
happened was a lot of teams

01:13:49.217 --> 01:13:50.798
patched this privately in

01:13:50.878 --> 01:13:53.119
private GitHub forks of

01:13:53.180 --> 01:13:54.840
their own mainline repos

01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:56.079
because they didn't want to

01:13:56.180 --> 01:13:56.881
share the code.

01:13:57.621 --> 01:13:57.740
And...

01:13:58.761 --> 01:14:00.280
Because obviously a lot of

01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:02.841
developers in Cosmos only

01:14:02.881 --> 01:14:04.702
know how to go mod tidy.

01:14:05.483 --> 01:14:07.002
What happens when you have

01:14:07.103 --> 01:14:08.323
two versions of the same

01:14:08.363 --> 01:14:09.363
repository is you need to

01:14:09.404 --> 01:14:10.743
set multiple upstreams in

01:14:10.783 --> 01:14:11.564
order to make sure your

01:14:11.604 --> 01:14:13.625
work is synced across the

01:14:14.064 --> 01:14:14.944
private version of your

01:14:14.965 --> 01:14:16.364
repository and the public version.

01:14:17.104 --> 01:14:20.565
And so, you know, once you've done,

01:14:21.065 --> 01:14:22.266
you've changed the one line

01:14:22.287 --> 01:14:24.506
of code that has the hooks

01:14:24.606 --> 01:14:27.287
changes and you've run go mod tidy.

01:14:28.293 --> 01:14:30.716
You then need to do git push

01:14:31.475 --> 01:14:35.859
upstream origin private repository.

01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:37.439
And then when you're ready

01:14:37.560 --> 01:14:38.640
to bring those changes in

01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:40.862
your mainline repository

01:14:41.801 --> 01:14:42.863
for the whole world to see,

01:14:44.463 --> 01:14:44.944
because you're going to

01:14:44.965 --> 01:14:45.704
build a new version of the

01:14:45.744 --> 01:14:46.765
software and the patch is

01:14:46.926 --> 01:14:48.047
out and it's publicly known

01:14:48.108 --> 01:14:49.588
about you then need to do

01:14:49.689 --> 01:14:52.070
git push origin main or

01:14:52.591 --> 01:14:53.472
whatever your working

01:14:53.512 --> 01:14:54.913
branch is in order to then

01:14:55.394 --> 01:14:56.534
continue to develop with

01:14:56.574 --> 01:14:57.456
the same changes that

01:14:57.475 --> 01:14:58.457
you've already persisted to

01:14:58.476 --> 01:15:00.338
your private repository um

01:15:00.418 --> 01:15:01.399
you know it's a lot of work

01:15:01.420 --> 01:15:02.980
to type those like four or

01:15:03.020 --> 01:15:04.903
five extra words I guess to

01:15:04.943 --> 01:15:05.884
be fair you could actually

01:15:05.963 --> 01:15:07.845
use the uh the dash u flag

01:15:08.890 --> 01:15:10.030
to actually take out one

01:15:10.091 --> 01:15:11.511
word when you originally

01:15:11.551 --> 01:15:13.634
push to that branch.

01:15:14.073 --> 01:15:15.435
But it is a lot of effort to

01:15:15.475 --> 01:15:16.355
type four words.

01:15:16.395 --> 01:15:17.676
So it's very understandable

01:15:17.697 --> 01:15:19.797
that developer would not

01:15:19.858 --> 01:15:21.038
pull those changes into the

01:15:21.078 --> 01:15:22.659
public repository and then

01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:23.680
come across that later.

01:15:24.121 --> 01:15:24.442
Who knows?

01:15:24.462 --> 01:15:25.662
Could have been termed,

01:15:25.802 --> 01:15:26.743
could have not been there anymore.

01:15:26.762 --> 01:15:28.243
I don't know the whole situation,

01:15:28.264 --> 01:15:29.585
but I totally agree.

01:15:30.025 --> 01:15:31.407
You clone the repo,

01:15:32.067 --> 01:15:33.427
you build a separate binary

01:15:33.448 --> 01:15:34.269
that has a patch in it.

01:15:34.288 --> 01:15:35.630
Next thing you know, that's gone.

01:15:36.784 --> 01:15:38.109
And, but you would think like,

01:15:38.149 --> 01:15:38.993
wouldn't they have, like,

01:15:39.094 --> 01:15:40.520
is there any testing on this shit?

01:15:42.252 --> 01:15:43.252
This is crypto.

01:15:43.372 --> 01:15:45.033
What are you talking about?

01:15:45.213 --> 01:15:48.015
Isn't there a requirement

01:15:48.034 --> 01:15:48.975
structure for specific

01:15:49.015 --> 01:15:49.855
modules and specific

01:15:49.895 --> 01:15:52.577
versions that you'd say, hey,

01:15:52.636 --> 01:15:53.296
these are minimums that

01:15:53.337 --> 01:15:54.537
have to be in terms of a

01:15:55.217 --> 01:15:55.818
build requirement?

01:15:56.358 --> 01:16:01.239
No, because we build and ship binaries,

01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:02.740
don't we, in Cosmos?

01:16:02.801 --> 01:16:05.061
So each one is an artifact

01:16:05.082 --> 01:16:05.761
in and of itself.

01:16:06.061 --> 01:16:07.082
And as long as the...

01:16:08.582 --> 01:16:10.604
As long as the artifact is

01:16:11.024 --> 01:16:13.525
state compatible with the

01:16:13.546 --> 01:16:14.645
current state of the chain,

01:16:15.686 --> 01:16:17.608
there's not really a good way of telling.

01:16:19.307 --> 01:16:21.789
You have to assume that once it's created.

01:16:21.829 --> 01:16:23.550
So yes,

01:16:25.091 --> 01:16:26.891
if you have a chain of history that

01:16:26.931 --> 01:16:28.773
includes all of the correct Git history,

01:16:30.211 --> 01:16:30.831
And in which case it

01:16:30.850 --> 01:16:31.650
literally wouldn't happen

01:16:31.690 --> 01:16:33.212
because the change would be in the file,

01:16:33.372 --> 01:16:33.591
right?

01:16:34.252 --> 01:16:36.533
Like the file is this.

01:16:37.172 --> 01:16:38.113
But what happened was they

01:16:38.153 --> 01:16:39.113
just didn't include that

01:16:39.153 --> 01:16:40.413
file or it wasn't there.

01:16:40.734 --> 01:16:42.514
And if Rama says there's no

01:16:42.594 --> 01:16:44.054
record and GitHub,

01:16:44.094 --> 01:16:45.154
that's the smoking gun.

01:16:45.395 --> 01:16:45.734
Clearly.

01:16:45.795 --> 01:16:45.954
Yes.

01:16:45.975 --> 01:16:47.215
That wasn't checked.

01:16:50.296 --> 01:16:50.876
I do remember that.

01:16:50.975 --> 01:16:52.596
I do remember that that emergency patch.

01:16:52.636 --> 01:16:53.936
I do remember binaries being created,

01:16:53.976 --> 01:16:54.078
right?

01:16:54.097 --> 01:16:54.978
Which is typical, right?

01:16:54.997 --> 01:16:55.377
You would not.

01:16:55.398 --> 01:16:57.038
Yeah, it happened.

01:16:57.099 --> 01:16:58.498
It happened on Stargaze as well.

01:16:58.538 --> 01:16:59.760
It was a private repository

01:17:01.100 --> 01:17:01.801
that was shared.

01:17:01.961 --> 01:17:04.521
And then once whatever,

01:17:04.521 --> 01:17:07.122
33.4% of voting power had patched,

01:17:07.703 --> 01:17:09.644
then they made it public, right?

01:17:09.724 --> 01:17:11.024
So we, for example,

01:17:11.984 --> 01:17:13.984
just patched with the public version,

01:17:14.024 --> 01:17:15.506
I think possibly, or shipped to binary.

01:17:19.198 --> 01:17:21.359
Because it's a bit of a faff

01:17:21.400 --> 01:17:22.442
to get access to private

01:17:22.481 --> 01:17:23.382
repositories all the time

01:17:23.422 --> 01:17:24.144
for these sorts of things.

01:17:24.184 --> 01:17:24.663
But, you know,

01:17:24.684 --> 01:17:26.126
that's the accepted and

01:17:26.166 --> 01:17:27.367
sensible way of doing things, right?

01:17:28.788 --> 01:17:29.488
It's good that we have

01:17:29.770 --> 01:17:31.332
massive losses on both the

01:17:31.492 --> 01:17:33.293
business process side and

01:17:33.314 --> 01:17:34.534
the technology process side.

01:17:34.715 --> 01:17:36.738
It's good to have that balance, right?

01:17:36.757 --> 01:17:38.099
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:38.198 --> 01:17:39.300
It's really, really good.

01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:40.341
It's really a failure of...

01:17:42.128 --> 01:17:44.011
It can't be technology teams

01:17:44.032 --> 01:17:45.632
that's pointing at finance

01:17:45.753 --> 01:17:48.095
or business teams or going the other way.

01:17:48.176 --> 01:17:49.618
It's really both like

01:17:49.917 --> 01:17:51.159
everybody's fucked up.

01:17:51.712 --> 01:17:52.713
On a related note,

01:17:54.434 --> 01:17:55.814
I am about to start

01:17:55.875 --> 01:17:58.997
conducting validator questionnaires,

01:18:00.396 --> 01:18:01.618
having got my ethics

01:18:01.658 --> 01:18:02.497
approval and everything.

01:18:04.259 --> 01:18:05.760
So one of the questions we

01:18:05.779 --> 01:18:07.239
will be asking is about

01:18:07.480 --> 01:18:10.221
communications for validator operations.

01:18:10.841 --> 01:18:15.583
On a scale of, on a Likert scale of never,

01:18:15.824 --> 01:18:17.225
sometimes, occasionally,

01:18:17.305 --> 01:18:18.445
very occasionally, whatever,

01:18:19.225 --> 01:18:20.327
How often do you check the

01:18:20.367 --> 01:18:22.148
code in a given upgrade

01:18:22.188 --> 01:18:23.029
before you run it?

01:18:25.230 --> 01:18:25.730
On average,

01:18:25.871 --> 01:18:28.613
how many individual people do

01:18:28.653 --> 01:18:30.274
you have contact with in a

01:18:30.333 --> 01:18:32.555
foundation or centralized

01:18:32.716 --> 01:18:34.337
ops team or developer team

01:18:34.457 --> 01:18:35.478
that ships code?

01:18:35.978 --> 01:18:37.219
You know, these sorts of questions.

01:18:37.298 --> 01:18:38.340
And I think the answer is a

01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:39.341
lot of cases going to be.

01:18:39.921 --> 01:18:41.542
We have regular contact with

01:18:42.243 --> 01:18:44.864
one person in Telegram.

01:18:45.265 --> 01:18:46.166
We don't know their name.

01:18:46.386 --> 01:18:47.046
Do not check.

01:18:47.087 --> 01:18:47.646
Yeah, exactly.

01:18:47.886 --> 01:18:48.988
They're a whale emoji.

01:18:49.429 --> 01:18:50.550
And we don't check the code.

01:18:50.609 --> 01:18:51.810
I don't even know if they work there.

01:18:52.251 --> 01:18:54.632
Sometimes check the code before I run it.

01:18:54.773 --> 01:18:56.413
And every time somebody says sometimes,

01:18:56.634 --> 01:18:58.475
you could downgrade that to a never,

01:18:58.536 --> 01:18:59.296
let's be honest.

01:19:02.779 --> 01:19:06.042
So coming soon,

01:19:06.221 --> 01:19:08.503
for validators that happen

01:19:08.524 --> 01:19:09.484
to validate a Cosmos

01:19:09.524 --> 01:19:11.085
network that we are also doing.

01:19:13.118 --> 01:19:14.399
during the month of August,

01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:15.500
one of the most exciting

01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:16.560
things that you could

01:19:16.579 --> 01:19:18.121
possibly take part in would

01:19:18.240 --> 01:19:20.002
be to fill out a

01:19:20.023 --> 01:19:22.524
30-question multiple-choice

01:19:24.286 --> 01:19:26.907
piece of research for my

01:19:26.947 --> 01:19:28.387
computer science research.

01:19:28.969 --> 01:19:29.868
Are we in that or no?

01:19:30.229 --> 01:19:31.210
We know each other, right?

01:19:31.470 --> 01:19:33.372
Are we excluded?

01:19:33.391 --> 01:19:34.953
You can fill out the questionnaire.

01:19:34.972 --> 01:19:35.813
That shit's anonymous.

01:19:37.774 --> 01:19:37.954
The...

01:19:39.890 --> 01:19:41.570
We'll actually be doing some

01:19:41.730 --> 01:19:42.690
audio interviews as well.

01:19:44.332 --> 01:19:45.671
Those are trickier because

01:19:45.692 --> 01:19:46.773
I'm going to have to try

01:19:46.813 --> 01:19:47.853
and find participants that

01:19:47.953 --> 01:19:54.154
I don't have any real connection to.

01:19:54.654 --> 01:19:56.315
It has to be validators, right?

01:19:56.716 --> 01:19:57.376
Yeah,

01:19:57.435 --> 01:19:59.756
validators that I don't have a

01:20:00.676 --> 01:20:01.818
personal relationship with.

01:20:02.118 --> 01:20:03.797
I know a bunch that do validation.

01:20:04.059 --> 01:20:05.158
It doesn't have to be Cosmos, does it?

01:20:06.327 --> 01:20:08.068
uh ideally cosmos I think

01:20:08.127 --> 01:20:09.208
because we're talking about

01:20:09.309 --> 01:20:14.091
specific um I mean this is

01:20:14.131 --> 01:20:15.631
the thing I think I think I

01:20:15.652 --> 01:20:16.752
probably would be

01:20:16.811 --> 01:20:17.752
relatively interested to

01:20:17.792 --> 01:20:18.632
talk to people outside the

01:20:18.672 --> 01:20:20.014
cosmos as well actually but

01:20:20.253 --> 01:20:22.314
um that's another story

01:20:22.395 --> 01:20:23.315
like the the stuff I'm

01:20:23.336 --> 01:20:24.036
going to include in the

01:20:24.076 --> 01:20:26.136
current paper I'm writing is just cosmos

01:20:28.498 --> 01:20:30.582
But I don't think including

01:20:30.641 --> 01:20:32.243
validators from other ecosystems,

01:20:32.283 --> 01:20:33.786
at least in terms of audio interviews,

01:20:33.905 --> 01:20:34.567
is going to...

01:20:36.860 --> 01:20:37.962
meaningfully change the

01:20:38.002 --> 01:20:39.582
character or risk structure

01:20:39.863 --> 01:20:42.444
of this investigation and

01:20:42.524 --> 01:20:43.744
so I probably won't have to

01:20:43.824 --> 01:20:44.886
seek further approval to do

01:20:44.966 --> 01:20:45.706
it so I'll probably do it

01:20:47.887 --> 01:20:49.047
um I have thought about

01:20:49.068 --> 01:20:51.229
this like uh potentially

01:20:51.250 --> 01:20:52.729
trying to recruit some some

01:20:52.770 --> 01:20:53.970
aptos validators so I was

01:20:53.990 --> 01:20:55.212
kind of curious it's like

01:20:55.231 --> 01:20:56.332
the different structure

01:20:56.573 --> 01:20:57.212
like for the audio

01:20:57.233 --> 01:20:58.094
interviews this is because

01:20:58.154 --> 01:20:58.974
number one I don't really

01:20:59.014 --> 01:20:59.994
know any of them so there's

01:21:00.154 --> 01:21:00.935
less of a conflict of

01:21:00.975 --> 01:21:02.515
interest and also I think

01:21:02.536 --> 01:21:03.417
there's some bigger teams

01:21:03.476 --> 01:21:05.358
there and I think um

01:21:06.724 --> 01:21:07.744
I think if you just get,

01:21:07.864 --> 01:21:08.886
get people who work for a

01:21:08.926 --> 01:21:09.987
bigger organization,

01:21:10.148 --> 01:21:11.087
even if they're an

01:21:11.189 --> 01:21:12.109
authorized person who

01:21:12.289 --> 01:21:13.650
authorized to talk on a subject,

01:21:14.131 --> 01:21:15.533
I don't think they,

01:21:17.033 --> 01:21:17.895
if you give them a questionnaire,

01:21:17.914 --> 01:21:18.515
they're just going to tick

01:21:18.536 --> 01:21:19.997
all the boxes that make them sound great.

01:21:21.139 --> 01:21:22.199
Whereas I think if you talk to them,

01:21:23.404 --> 01:21:25.445
in a in a straightforward

01:21:25.506 --> 01:21:27.226
way in an audio interview

01:21:27.247 --> 01:21:28.488
it's much like if you

01:21:28.507 --> 01:21:29.728
interview like semi-famous

01:21:29.768 --> 01:21:31.469
band or something if you

01:21:31.488 --> 01:21:32.510
just did it over email

01:21:32.550 --> 01:21:33.149
they'll just be like it's

01:21:33.189 --> 01:21:34.230
great new record's great

01:21:34.251 --> 01:21:35.291
we're amazing tour's

01:21:35.331 --> 01:21:36.192
amazing all the support

01:21:36.212 --> 01:21:37.292
bands are amazing lovely

01:21:37.311 --> 01:21:38.853
stuff and if you talk to

01:21:38.872 --> 01:21:40.333
them about it you know you

01:21:40.373 --> 01:21:41.234
go like oh it sounds like

01:21:41.253 --> 01:21:41.895
there's some tension

01:21:41.935 --> 01:21:42.795
between you guys and your

01:21:42.814 --> 01:21:44.536
recording engineer and

01:21:44.555 --> 01:21:47.197
they'll be like uh well we

01:21:47.216 --> 01:21:48.018
did change engineers

01:21:48.037 --> 01:21:48.537
halfway through the

01:21:48.557 --> 01:21:49.358
recording this album and

01:21:49.377 --> 01:21:50.979
you're like whoa okay you

01:21:50.998 --> 01:21:52.300
know it's like on this classic like

01:21:53.739 --> 01:21:55.381
If you can react to what people are saying,

01:21:55.442 --> 01:21:56.663
you can usually get much

01:21:56.724 --> 01:21:57.824
more interesting stuff out

01:21:57.944 --> 01:22:00.769
of a discussion, right?

01:22:01.548 --> 01:22:02.911
When you said that, like, sometimes,

01:22:03.011 --> 01:22:04.092
always, this, that,

01:22:04.773 --> 01:22:06.595
I'll put a link to the show.

01:22:06.636 --> 01:22:08.056
I was thinking about Keith's

01:22:08.117 --> 01:22:09.779
appraisal in the UK version

01:22:09.798 --> 01:22:10.319
of The Office.

01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:10.921
Do you remember that?

01:22:11.663 --> 01:22:12.885
episode do you watch that

01:22:12.904 --> 01:22:14.286
show with david print and

01:22:14.326 --> 01:22:15.987
like it's too cringe it's

01:22:16.046 --> 01:22:18.488
too cringe it's so goddamn

01:22:18.507 --> 01:22:20.448
cringe anyway yeah that

01:22:20.510 --> 01:22:21.829
that's it's the you know

01:22:21.850 --> 01:22:22.871
like that style of comedy

01:22:22.911 --> 01:22:24.131
like peep show have you

01:22:24.152 --> 01:22:27.333
ever seen peep show uh no

01:22:28.154 --> 01:22:29.395
more of like a british

01:22:29.515 --> 01:22:30.435
thing it's like david

01:22:30.475 --> 01:22:32.917
mitchell um okay and it's

01:22:33.296 --> 01:22:34.997
it's it's like it's genius

01:22:35.139 --> 01:22:37.119
but it's so cringe like it's where um

01:22:39.885 --> 01:22:40.685
Uh, what's his name?

01:22:40.905 --> 01:22:41.546
The Kajira,

01:22:41.565 --> 01:22:44.367
the Kajira dev super what's his face?

01:22:44.646 --> 01:22:45.247
Super.

01:22:45.768 --> 01:22:47.207
What hands code hands, code hands,

01:22:47.548 --> 01:22:49.009
code hands as a reference to a,

01:22:49.168 --> 01:22:49.930
to a character.

01:22:50.189 --> 01:22:50.430
Right.

01:22:50.470 --> 01:22:51.829
We talked about that.

01:22:52.251 --> 01:22:52.650
Yeah.

01:22:52.751 --> 01:22:56.011
So, so yeah, people show is super, super,

01:22:56.051 --> 01:22:56.712
super cringe.

01:22:57.092 --> 01:22:57.193
Um,

01:22:58.012 --> 01:22:59.373
and I think I i like it's

01:22:59.413 --> 01:23:00.594
one of those that's always

01:23:00.753 --> 01:23:02.194
on when you go to certain

01:23:02.215 --> 01:23:03.916
people's houses like binge

01:23:03.956 --> 01:23:05.636
watching it and like I can

01:23:05.676 --> 01:23:07.117
dip in for a few minutes

01:23:07.356 --> 01:23:08.938
and I'm like oh this is too

01:23:08.997 --> 01:23:10.918
much it's just like it

01:23:10.939 --> 01:23:12.279
makes me feel physically

01:23:12.420 --> 01:23:15.301
awkward there's just so

01:23:15.400 --> 01:23:17.061
many there's so many bits

01:23:17.101 --> 01:23:18.882
that just oh they're like

01:23:19.023 --> 01:23:20.002
you can't sit there and

01:23:20.042 --> 01:23:20.904
watch them like you have to

01:23:20.944 --> 01:23:21.923
squirm like they're all

01:23:22.823 --> 01:23:23.904
they're they're really awkward

01:23:24.898 --> 01:23:26.519
i reckon so so there's a lot

01:23:26.538 --> 01:23:27.560
of energy in the chat

01:23:28.140 --> 01:23:28.859
there's a lot of energy in

01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:29.980
the chat for super hands

01:23:30.201 --> 01:23:31.402
and I would say actually uh

01:23:32.662 --> 01:23:33.462
super hands are one of the

01:23:33.502 --> 01:23:34.984
characters that makes peep

01:23:35.024 --> 01:23:37.204
show bearable because he is

01:23:37.246 --> 01:23:38.886
just pure comic relief and

01:23:39.027 --> 01:23:41.228
um all of his lines about

01:23:41.247 --> 01:23:42.167
yeah crack with a bit where

01:23:42.188 --> 01:23:43.248
they're in a band together

01:23:43.288 --> 01:23:44.250
and all that stuff it's

01:23:44.310 --> 01:23:46.551
just oh it's very funny

01:23:47.192 --> 01:23:47.872
there's there's some good

01:23:47.931 --> 01:23:49.073
super cuts of um

01:23:50.346 --> 01:23:52.009
I've seen perhaps on YouTube as well.

01:23:52.529 --> 01:23:53.829
And then you tick one of the boxes.

01:23:53.970 --> 01:23:54.390
Not at all.

01:23:54.490 --> 01:23:55.131
To some extent.

01:23:55.190 --> 01:23:55.771
Very much so.

01:23:55.851 --> 01:23:56.192
Don't know.

01:23:56.372 --> 01:23:56.872
What would you tick?

01:23:57.372 --> 01:23:57.653
Don't know.

01:23:57.974 --> 01:23:58.194
Okay.

01:23:58.213 --> 01:23:58.673
Question two.

01:23:59.914 --> 01:24:01.577
Under weaknesses, you just wrote eczema.

01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:05.779
Do you feel you've received

01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:06.740
adequate training to use

01:24:06.761 --> 01:24:07.641
your computer effectively?

01:24:07.742 --> 01:24:08.302
What are the options?

01:24:08.563 --> 01:24:09.382
Same as before.

01:24:09.524 --> 01:24:09.984
Same as before.

01:24:10.283 --> 01:24:10.904
They're always the same.

01:24:11.125 --> 01:24:11.484
Not at all.

01:24:11.585 --> 01:24:12.166
To some extent.

01:24:12.225 --> 01:24:12.565
Very much.

01:24:12.645 --> 01:24:12.966
Don't know.

01:24:13.926 --> 01:24:14.247
Don't know.

01:24:14.488 --> 01:24:14.728
Don't know.

01:24:16.689 --> 01:24:17.270
That's what you should do.

01:24:17.310 --> 01:24:17.911
You should, they should do.

01:24:18.849 --> 01:24:19.948
Do you feel you know the

01:24:20.168 --> 01:24:20.949
people who are actually

01:24:20.970 --> 01:24:22.109
building the binaries that

01:24:22.189 --> 01:24:23.689
you see with an emergency option?

01:24:23.729 --> 01:24:24.270
One of my options.

01:24:25.291 --> 01:24:26.331
Not at all, to some extent.

01:24:26.451 --> 01:24:26.990
Very much so.

01:24:27.171 --> 01:24:27.490
Don't know.

01:24:28.011 --> 01:24:29.011
Those are the four you should use.

01:24:29.252 --> 01:24:30.332
See if anybody actually picks it up.

01:24:31.592 --> 01:24:32.632
Yeah, I mean,

01:24:32.733 --> 01:24:34.353
I do have to actually do some

01:24:34.533 --> 01:24:36.293
academic research, but I would take that.

01:24:37.466 --> 01:24:38.367
Do you know anybody's real name?

01:24:38.487 --> 01:24:39.287
What are my options again?

01:24:40.908 --> 01:24:41.448
Not at all.

01:24:41.509 --> 01:24:42.909
To some extent, very much so.

01:24:43.090 --> 01:24:43.430
Don't know.

01:24:44.010 --> 01:24:44.411
To be fair,

01:24:44.430 --> 01:24:47.212
the only bit of the ecosystem

01:24:47.233 --> 01:24:49.894
that is actually genuinely

01:24:50.114 --> 01:24:51.335
low trust is the fact that

01:24:51.536 --> 01:24:52.815
everybody's just emojis.

01:24:52.896 --> 01:24:53.697
But apart from that,

01:24:55.198 --> 01:24:57.460
the system requires intense

01:24:57.500 --> 01:24:58.921
centralized coordination in

01:24:58.980 --> 01:24:59.740
order to function.

01:25:00.582 --> 01:25:04.645
It's... Yeah.

01:25:04.664 --> 01:25:06.305
I know it's not part of what you're doing,

01:25:06.365 --> 01:25:06.466
but

01:25:07.315 --> 01:25:08.377
if you're curious it would

01:25:08.396 --> 01:25:10.177
be interesting to do a set

01:25:10.217 --> 01:25:11.958
of cosmos valves like like

01:25:12.038 --> 01:25:14.220
like like not the ones you

01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:15.220
know like you maybe like

01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:16.541
other ones that we don't

01:25:16.621 --> 01:25:17.681
work with too close like

01:25:17.742 --> 01:25:18.662
pfc was a really good

01:25:18.703 --> 01:25:19.762
example of that or maybe

01:25:19.802 --> 01:25:21.323
like beware or some

01:25:21.344 --> 01:25:22.085
whatever like just some

01:25:22.104 --> 01:25:23.204
other ones it'd be good to

01:25:23.244 --> 01:25:24.185
do some aftos valves that

01:25:24.206 --> 01:25:25.286
we don't work that

01:25:25.766 --> 01:25:26.766
obviously don't have a lot

01:25:26.806 --> 01:25:28.068
of crossover and it'd be

01:25:28.108 --> 01:25:29.029
good to do some ethereum

01:25:29.048 --> 01:25:30.509
validators like was we know

01:25:30.548 --> 01:25:31.010
a lot of those

01:25:31.926 --> 01:25:32.907
like larger,

01:25:33.226 --> 01:25:34.627
like crypto manufacturer and

01:25:34.868 --> 01:25:36.029
like those types of things.

01:25:36.930 --> 01:25:40.313
And ones that run nodes across Ethereum L1,

01:25:40.434 --> 01:25:43.676
L2s and also like emerging large scale,

01:25:43.695 --> 01:25:45.618
I don't know what you call Amtos,

01:25:45.637 --> 01:25:45.997
but whatever.

01:25:46.859 --> 01:25:47.539
And that,

01:25:47.579 --> 01:25:48.701
and see what those differences are.

01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:49.582
Because it probably doesn't

01:25:49.641 --> 01:25:50.221
fit your model.

01:25:50.282 --> 01:25:52.404
Big expensive venture capital networks.

01:25:54.466 --> 01:25:55.025
Well, it's true.

01:25:55.106 --> 01:25:55.886
Like, you know.

01:25:57.188 --> 01:25:58.829
Which is my favorite type of network.

01:26:00.939 --> 01:26:03.041
It's certainly a type of

01:26:03.081 --> 01:26:03.761
network that keeps the

01:26:03.801 --> 01:26:05.061
lights on as far as I can tell.

01:26:05.203 --> 01:26:07.243
But yeah, you know what?

01:26:07.384 --> 01:26:08.664
I might actually hit you up

01:26:08.704 --> 01:26:09.666
specifically because I know

01:26:09.706 --> 01:26:12.127
you have some contacts like that...

01:26:13.296 --> 01:26:15.679
without the, the, the,

01:26:15.798 --> 01:26:17.319
for the audio interview side,

01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:18.301
which I know.

01:26:18.320 --> 01:26:18.400
Yeah.

01:26:18.421 --> 01:26:19.841
Yeah, for sure.

01:26:20.283 --> 01:26:21.703
Which folks, you don't know.

01:26:21.764 --> 01:26:21.963
Yeah.

01:26:21.984 --> 01:26:22.864
Yeah, for sure.

01:26:22.904 --> 01:26:23.145
Yeah.

01:26:23.164 --> 01:26:24.586
Yeah.

01:26:24.905 --> 01:26:26.707
I mean, and, and Hey, it means,

01:26:26.908 --> 01:26:27.809
it means that I can,

01:26:28.349 --> 01:26:30.010
what's it called when I have to declare,

01:26:30.029 --> 01:26:33.353
declare what's it called?

01:26:33.432 --> 01:26:33.972
Ethical,

01:26:35.234 --> 01:26:37.735
ethical compromise and an advice

01:26:37.775 --> 01:26:39.217
to the reader or whatever it's called.

01:26:39.778 --> 01:26:41.180
I have to put, oh, and by the way,

01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:42.381
a lot of these are one step

01:26:42.421 --> 01:26:45.365
of remove because of other

01:26:45.426 --> 01:26:46.487
validators in the

01:26:46.567 --> 01:26:48.149
well-established validator

01:26:48.189 --> 01:26:50.613
cartel that all validators are in.

01:26:50.972 --> 01:26:51.193
Yeah.

01:26:51.594 --> 01:26:52.154
Your other one is,

01:26:52.194 --> 01:26:54.297
I'm also a degen and run a validator.

01:26:54.797 --> 01:26:56.940
It's not a cartel, but it is...

01:26:57.721 --> 01:26:59.043
formerly in a similar

01:26:59.123 --> 01:27:00.564
structure to a cartel and

01:27:00.604 --> 01:27:01.747
in order to establish

01:27:02.247 --> 01:27:03.127
whether or not it was in

01:27:03.167 --> 01:27:04.270
fact a cartel I had to

01:27:04.409 --> 01:27:06.152
reach out to other members

01:27:06.171 --> 01:27:07.613
of the cartel to put me in

01:27:07.672 --> 01:27:11.438
touch with different

01:27:11.537 --> 01:27:12.878
different different cells

01:27:12.998 --> 01:27:13.880
if you like in our

01:27:13.939 --> 01:27:15.721
terrorist network of cartels

01:27:16.422 --> 01:27:18.863
that run all the validators

01:27:18.923 --> 01:27:19.944
in every ecosystem.

01:27:20.425 --> 01:27:21.305
And as it turns out,

01:27:21.666 --> 01:27:22.985
six degrees of separation

01:27:23.046 --> 01:27:24.287
is bullshit when you can

01:27:24.327 --> 01:27:25.868
have one degree of separation.

01:27:26.627 --> 01:27:29.588
And that's the entire of the cryptosphere.

01:27:30.090 --> 01:27:31.090
Do you test your binaries?

01:27:31.529 --> 01:27:32.690
What are the options again?

01:27:33.110 --> 01:27:33.470
Not at all.

01:27:33.490 --> 01:27:34.332
To some extent.

01:27:34.792 --> 01:27:36.113
It's very much the same.

01:27:36.493 --> 01:27:36.993
Very much so.

01:27:37.233 --> 01:27:37.512
Don't know.

01:27:38.014 --> 01:27:38.314
Don't know.

01:27:38.934 --> 01:27:39.935
If don't know wasn't there,

01:27:40.055 --> 01:27:40.595
what would you say?

01:27:41.255 --> 01:27:41.814
What are the options?

01:27:42.775 --> 01:27:43.195
Not at all.

01:27:43.416 --> 01:27:44.036
To some extent.

01:27:44.117 --> 01:27:44.577
Very much so.

01:27:44.617 --> 01:27:44.896
Don't know.

01:27:46.672 --> 01:27:47.434
Do you test your binders?

01:27:47.533 --> 01:27:48.014
Very much so.

01:27:48.613 --> 01:27:49.354
Do you remember the question?

01:27:50.895 --> 01:27:51.036
No.

01:27:53.858 --> 01:27:54.238
I'm sorry.

01:27:54.418 --> 01:27:55.338
We got to wait for the limo.

01:28:00.537 --> 01:28:01.979
What chain are you guys

01:28:02.219 --> 01:28:03.279
validating right now?

01:28:03.340 --> 01:28:07.341
We're validating the Cosmos chains?

01:28:07.841 --> 01:28:08.181
Oh yeah,

01:28:08.202 --> 01:28:09.983
we're just validating the VC

01:28:10.023 --> 01:28:11.043
Enormo chain.

01:28:12.625 --> 01:28:14.265
You know how these things are.

01:28:14.386 --> 01:28:16.546
It's big there.

01:28:16.627 --> 01:28:17.927
You sell it out?

01:28:18.007 --> 01:28:19.689
Yeah, we sell our tokens every month.

01:28:19.908 --> 01:28:21.229
We sell our tokens every month.

01:28:23.951 --> 01:28:25.811
You could probably rewrite a lot.

01:28:25.971 --> 01:28:26.112
Yeah.

01:28:27.761 --> 01:28:29.483
We can rewrite a lot of

01:28:29.563 --> 01:28:31.765
Spinal Tap into a Cosmos bit.

01:28:32.725 --> 01:28:34.667
In some ways,

01:28:34.686 --> 01:28:36.509
the cricket bat is an affectation,

01:28:36.628 --> 01:28:39.730
but in the topsy-turvy

01:28:39.791 --> 01:28:41.432
world of crypto validation,

01:28:41.472 --> 01:28:42.353
sometimes there's no

01:28:42.412 --> 01:28:43.514
substitute for having a

01:28:43.935 --> 01:28:45.336
solid piece of wood in your hands.