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What are we doing?

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Are we starting this thing or what?

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Hello everybody, welcome to Game of Nodes,

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where everybody's

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individually putting out

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fires and I'm in the jank studio 9000.

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Well,

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we are one down today with a man that

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is just not wanting to be here, I think.

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He just simply popped smoke.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Apparently,

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he would rather spend time with

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his family than with us.

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I mean, that's just rude.

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What happened?

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Okay.

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My phone is sticky taped to

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an enormous thermometer

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that I just found on the ground.

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and that's leaning up against the wall,

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and that's my camera.

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So, yeah,

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I am 100% not set up in this

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place where I'm at,

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and I just grabbed a bunch

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of stuff out of a box and just, like,

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janked it all together, and here we are.

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So, like, you know,

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this is my corner at the moment.

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At least I can move my... Yeah,

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look at that.

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That is nice box thing.

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This is sort of just in

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there and there's cables and I just,

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it's a, you know, it's a whip backlight.

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Yeah, well,

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it was very dark in this corner.

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So I don't know if this is

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going to be the permanent potto corner.

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It's going to have to be

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some improvement on the

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lighting situation.

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It's a nice little nook.

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It's like right by the front door.

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I'm pretty sure it's

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supposed to be a mudroom

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back in the day that

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someone has just like turned into a,

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desk but uh like before it's

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not like office thing prior

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to our purchase but um yeah

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I don't know it's a bit

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echoey in this room in this

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little corner so it's

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actually want to take I

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don't like that yeah yeah

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but you guys you guys

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aren't really moved in yet

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100 right so there's still

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like soft stuff that'll

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start taking some some echo up

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Yeah, so eventually,

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but probably not in this front room bit.

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There'll be some plants and stuff.

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I mean,

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90% of our furniture at the moment

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is plants.

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We just sort of like shipped

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in the plants and then... You know,

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we're both moving from

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small places and so far...

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This is like a two-story,

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four-bedroom house.

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And we so far have a bed and a couch.

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Yeah.

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It's all we own.

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And we went and looked at

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dining room tables like a

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couple of days ago.

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And I almost died looking at

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the prices of dining room tables.

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I'm not sure what happened.

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But I feel like when I was at college,

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I could get a dining room

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table for like $40.

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yeah and uh now they're like

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just insane money the price

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of a chair is I know about

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it yeah ridiculous it's

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nuts everything like

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everything is really

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expensive like here we

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we've been doing some work

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uh outside so we've been

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looking at outdoor

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furniture and outdoor

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furniture I thought was

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cheaper and I think we

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spent more money on an

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outdoor couch than we've

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ever done on an indoor couch

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Same thing.

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We walked into the store and I'm like,

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what is this shit?

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How can they comfortably ask

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for $7,000 for a fucking

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outdoor couch and table?

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Exactly.

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It's ridiculous.

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Maybe we're in the wrong store.

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We ain't buying that shit.

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Same with us.

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Then I went to a more janky

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looking store and it was not much better.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's literally like a,

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there's probably a 30% price difference,

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but there's like a 400%

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quality difference in some

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of that stuff too.

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So yeah.

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Like some of that, especially outdoor,

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like I have to feel that I

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have to look at it.

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Cause you just never know if

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it's just a piece of steel

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frame with some shit wrapped around it.

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Right.

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Because it's like wicker furniture, right?

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It's like you're buying

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someone's basket weaving from the 80s.

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It's totally what it is.

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That's exactly what our couch is.

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It's exactly what our couch is.

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I know.

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Well,

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now they've done away with the wicker

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and they're just wrapping

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string around things.

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They're like, yeah, couch.

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There you go.

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This isn't wicker.

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It's like a plastic.

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It's like a plasticky

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whatever that's wrapped around.

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an aluminum frame.

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Like literally, that's it.

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And a big cushion.

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But it's like the plasticky

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crap that's supposed to look like wicker,

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right?

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It's like, you know, and I don't know.

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The nicer ones are like teak.

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Yeah.

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So, you know,

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like boat decks fashioned in.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know.

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They look all right,

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but they're a little bit

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out of the range.

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They're quite expensive for what they are.

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So, you know, milk crates are cheap.

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Yeah.

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Bare market furnishings, as Ben says.

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So you guys are sleeping in

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plants and shit.

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Well, yeah.

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Spent all the money on the

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house and now we're broke as fuck.

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So probably just for the next 10 years,

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just sit on milk crates and

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just buy a nice crib for the baby.

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yeah literally we're doing

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like we're doing it we're

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finishing up part of an

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outdoor project this year

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and it's nice like we like

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we did a we did a decent

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job with it and but we've

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been in this house for 18

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years like that like that's

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literally how long it's

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taken and people well like

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it's just it's you know we

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we moved in and we same

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thing we moved in with

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nothing and we had a couple

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pieces of furniture and we

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redid some rooms five years

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later and like it's weird how time

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just goes you know what I

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mean you keep pushing

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things off and you finally

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want to get into something

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but everything like I think

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especially I mean that the

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place you guys have is

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looks extremely well put

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together so but like when

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you buy when you get like

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older homes you want to do

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like rework and all that

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type of stuff like you just

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have to have patience with

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it because otherwise you'll

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just go broke and and

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you'll you'll make

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something you won't even

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know how you want to use

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the house anyway you know

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what I mean like everything

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just takes everything has

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to slow down a little bit

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yeah yeah uh this house is

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complete it is an actual

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house of yeah reasonable

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quality the my previous

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house I've spent the last

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six years renovating it's

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the uh it's the renovation

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that never ends so I don't

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really want to be in that

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situation again especially

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with um you know a little

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one on the way so

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right uh you know we got

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something that's more

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complete which means it's

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like more modern and flimsy

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I guess it's like I well I

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don't I'm not sure how I

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think the methods of

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construction here are a

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fair bit different to the

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states but this is all you

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know like the sheet rock I

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guess you guys would call

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it we call it chip rock

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yeah we yeah like drywall

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they call it yeah

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Yeah, so it's timber frame, drywall,

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and some of the skin on the

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outside is bricks and some

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is like timber.

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Yeah, I think it's the same.

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Yeah.

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I'm just shit scared of termites here.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, we just sort of bought this place...

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without a detailed building

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inspection and pest inspection.

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So when we moved in, I was like, fuck, man,

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I hope this place don't get too much.

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Kind of rolling with it.

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But I saw that outside it's got like,

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here we have this

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you know pool of chemical

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that you put around your

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your house it's like a a

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tube that goes around the

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house and it's got a couple

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of access points every now

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and then and then like

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every couple of years you

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pay someone to come around

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and just fill that shit up

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with uh you know the good

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stuff yeah and it just

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soaks into the ground is

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that is that did all houses

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do that is it like a common thing

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No, there's various methods.

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I think this is one of

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the... The chemical barrier

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is one of the more effective ones,

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provided that you keep it up to date.

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So there is... It's

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basically a six-foot mode

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of death around your house.

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Pretty much, yeah.

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It's in the zone.

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Not going to be there anymore.

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They go a bit overboard and

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the green fumes start

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coming out of the ground

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and the grass starts dying.

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Yeah, mate.

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But other things they do like some,

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there's like termy mesh is

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a pretty popular thing as well.

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Like where houses on stumps,

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they just put this mesh

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that sort of turned down on

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top of the stumps.

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And for whatever reason,

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the ants can't like walk

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upside down and around it.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All sorts of.

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Yeah.

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And then fucking, I don't know.

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Older houses have nothing.

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Like my old house that I was renovating,

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it had literally nothing.

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It was just...

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wood that was you know not

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very tasty to termites it

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was um cypress pine and

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they just don't like it so

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all the renovations that I

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did were like true to the

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the error and um is all

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cypress pine uh which was

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incredibly difficult to

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source in some cases when

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you need a specific uh

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dimension I had to have

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timbers cut because the you

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know like the floor joists are oh

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The floor joists are, you know,

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imperial and everything

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gets cut basically metric these days.

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So I had to like have floor

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joists specifically cut and

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then they're green.

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So you have to wait for them

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to like season a little bit

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so they don't shrink too

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much when you put them in the floor,

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et cetera, et cetera.

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And it takes forever.

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So there was like,

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I did find a couple of

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members that I needed that

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were just in this

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lumber yard that has been

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cutting wood since you know

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dinosaurs died and uh they

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had some of the stuff that

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I needed just on the on the

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shelf for the last 40 years

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yeah well for for regular

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lumber they you you can you

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can actually order like

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kiln dried and all that

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kind of shit too same thing

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with same thing with um

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with uh what's the green

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stuff the weather treated

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type stuff too you can do

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that it's just it's just

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ridiculously expensive you

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know yeah just soft pine

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the um yeah I mean most of

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the framing now is all just

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uh you know just a soft

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pine that they grow

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overnight and then just

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pressure treat with um

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termite shit yeah uh um but

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yeah it's like red colored

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here I think is the termite treated stuff

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I don't use it.

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I just roll the dice and

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then salt the earth.

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Salt the earth with chemicals.

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I fill the bag.

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Our driveway here is also

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quite steep and we've been

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having trouble getting our

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stuff from Melbourne delivered because...

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The ground was a little bit

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damp on Monday when they

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were supposed to deliver it,

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and the delivery truck

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driver was just like,

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I can't drive my forklift down there.

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I said it was steep in the form.

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I want my box, man.

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And then he's like, yeah,

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I think I can do it.

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And I was like,

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maybe let's just not do it

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today and wait till it's

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dry and then come back.

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Because this dude was like, yeah, man,

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I can get that down there totally.

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And I'm like,

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I feel like if you do that

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and your forklift ends up

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in the front of my house,

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it's going to be a really big drama.

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And, you know,

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there's going to be

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insurance and you're going

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to be here most of the day.

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And I've also got shit to do.

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So let's just take it back

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and we'll come back when it's dry.

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And then they took it back

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and their dispatch rings me

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and they're like, man,

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we can't deliver it.

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I was like, what?

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It's like, yeah, it's too steep.

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I'm like, man,

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the driver said he can do it.

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It's pretty fucking steep.

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In the form, I said,

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The words I used was,

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the driveway is steep as fuck.

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You're going to need a sky

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crane to get it in here.

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You're fucked.

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Not my problem.

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I've warned you.

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Figure it out.

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But they didn't raid that and go, well,

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hey, it's been raining this morning.

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Maybe we might reschedule.

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Anyway, it's coming today, but

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my my so we live on a battle

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axe block as well so

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there's like a shared

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section of land between me

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and my neighbor where the

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driveway is uh and their

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their their garage is sort

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of coming out onto that and

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then it becomes our

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driveway okay so I went and

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talked to them I'm like

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we're just gonna drop this

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box on your flat bit before

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it gets to our more steeper

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driveway so it's a little bit

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So fucking tomorrow I'm going to have like,

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it's getting delivered this morning.

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I might have to like turn my

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camera off and go and talk

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to the guy at some point.

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But basically like my legs

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are just going to be like

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fucking tree trunks after

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I've unloaded this thing.

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Well, a lot of that stuff usually, well,

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it depends on what it is,

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but usually you can,

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whatever's being delivered, you can,

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if you can break it down, it always goes,

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you know, a little bit better, but yeah,

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it's all literally just

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boxes of shit anyway.

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So yeah,

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it's just a lot of up and down

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with boxes.

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None of it's particularly heavy.

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This week on Game of Homes.

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Yeah.

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A lot of shit going on.

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Schultz too, right?

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He's got something going on too,

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even though he's busy fixing something.

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And is Neutron lifted?

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I just got an alert.

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Is it still down?

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Actually, I got an alert a while ago,

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but I was kind of ignoring it.

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My neutron node is an archive,

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which I'm syncing up for

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somebody who we're

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having... You're syncing a

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neutron archive.

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah, from... It will never happen.

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Hey, man, what do you mean?

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Why not?

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It will never happen.

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I'm sure it will.

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I'm there.

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I'm there.

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It's still going.

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I'm there.

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I'm there.

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So...

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Yeah, I'm up to 3.8 million.

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Ah, you're one-third of the way.

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One-fourth of the way.

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Well, I only have to get up to about 5.

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I only need 5.9 million

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blocks before the IAVL V1 upgrade.

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Oh, yeah.

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Are you going to try to halt

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it but keep it active somehow?

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Is that what we said?

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Yeah, so I have it set.

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Basically, it'll fail at the upgrade,

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and then I'm going to

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remove all the peers and

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roll it back a block and then bring it up,

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and it should be fine.

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Sit there and just dial.

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You think it's just going to

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sit there and dial?

00:16:02.655 --> 00:16:03.758
That's a pretty smart idea, man.

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It won't dial.

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Good idea.

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Oh, if you remove all the peers.

00:16:08.017 --> 00:16:08.256
Yeah.

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Turn PEX off.

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Just let it sit there.

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If you turn PEX off, remove the peers,

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and make the incoming peers

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zero and the outcoming peers zero,

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it should just start up and

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sit there and answer RPC rules.

00:16:24.350 --> 00:16:25.652
That's an interesting test.

00:16:26.153 --> 00:16:27.033
That would be useful to do

00:16:27.072 --> 00:16:28.634
for other types of things, actually,

00:16:29.556 --> 00:16:31.096
especially this IABL switch,

00:16:31.277 --> 00:16:32.298
but that's a pretty good idea.

00:16:34.342 --> 00:16:34.702
I'm a smart dude.

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I'm sure it'll fuck up.

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Something else will happen.

00:16:38.946 --> 00:16:40.226
Yeah, I'm going to snapshot it.

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I'm going to take a ZFS

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snapshot like 500,000

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blocks out so I can just

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keep going back to that snapshot.

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Literally, I was about to say that.

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I just snapshot a couple

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times over in there.

00:16:50.575 --> 00:16:51.735
I'm surprised it got peers

00:16:51.774 --> 00:16:52.796
and everything else, but that's good.

00:16:54.456 --> 00:16:55.418
Not going to lie,

00:16:55.518 --> 00:16:56.578
it was pretty hard to get

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the first million blocks.

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It was not happy.

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And plus, there's a bunch of like...

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non-governance upgrades in there,

00:17:06.207 --> 00:17:08.788
which were a pain in the ass.

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But the Neutron guys were good,

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like Soy too.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh,

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so there's some hotfix up there that

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would have hashed things out.

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Yeah,

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it's just getting them at the

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right... Because a lot of

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them are just...

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Well,

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some of them upgrade any time type things,

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but some time is too early for any time.

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I had a couple of app hashes

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that I had to recover from

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and stuff like that.

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But basically,

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I just ran with the latest

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compatible binary until it app hashed.

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And then I was like,

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what binary am I supposed to be on?

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And they're like, not that one.

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And I was like, righto.

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What did you do?

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Just roll back or something

00:17:50.311 --> 00:17:50.752
and keep going?

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Just rolled it back and went

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to like an earlier Bonnery

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and then waited until it

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outpatched and then rolled

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back and went to the next one.

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I talked about this a long time.

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I think Shane and I were

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talking about this,

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but there is like no...

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I mean,

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there is no source of that

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information for each chain, right?

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Like.

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Neutron does.

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Neutron's got it in their GitHub.

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Don't say Cosmos to the network.

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That's not the solution either.

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Chain registry is not the solution,

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even though James and I

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maintain it quite consistently.

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There's so much like last minute.

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Cause some of these things like,

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like Mel said,

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like there's a breaking change,

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but it's only going to

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happen at a specific point

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or a specific transaction comes.

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So you can actually have,

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there's a huge window for

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when you can run that.

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But if you don't run it,

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it's going to app hash.

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Like there's,

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I don't know if those are like,

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there's not really captured anywhere.

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So I,

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I do chain registry updates when my

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Ansible is broken because

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it's just quicker for me to do that than,

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Well, actually, no.

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I've got a variable and then

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I just fix it because I

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want it to work next time.

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Yeah.

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But it's a pain.

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You have to type like

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fucking 10 more characters

00:19:07.339 --> 00:19:08.161
in your command line.

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It's kind of annoying.

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Fucking 10.

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It's ridiculous.

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Yeah, man.

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Dash E.

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node version um but that's

00:19:22.009 --> 00:19:23.391
not the that's not the only

00:19:23.570 --> 00:19:24.852
uh issues at the moment

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there's just problems with

00:19:28.233 --> 00:19:30.974
stuff that need fixing it's

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hard to find time at the

00:19:31.955 --> 00:19:34.196
moment it's it's quiet and

00:19:35.096 --> 00:19:36.377
incredibly busy at the same

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time with uh yeah yeah the the

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the crypto world has dropped

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off a cliff in the last month.

00:19:43.887 --> 00:19:45.128
Everyone is, I don't know,

00:19:45.628 --> 00:19:48.090
like damaged from PTSD or something.

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And just taking the time for a siesta,

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I think there's a lot of,

00:19:53.515 --> 00:19:55.115
I don't want to say things

00:19:55.155 --> 00:19:56.797
have like stalled around the place,

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but it seems like interest

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is waning a little bit in some regards.

00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:03.281
And maybe, you know,

00:20:03.342 --> 00:20:07.144
people are like quite worn

00:20:07.265 --> 00:20:09.346
out and just taking the,

00:20:10.740 --> 00:20:11.901
now that the heat's off a little bit,

00:20:11.921 --> 00:20:12.740
just taking a little bit of

00:20:12.781 --> 00:20:15.242
time to recover a bit, but also there's,

00:20:15.383 --> 00:20:17.384
there's been a bunch of, um, you know,

00:20:17.424 --> 00:20:19.105
this is like conference season as well.

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So there's a lot of teams

00:20:20.287 --> 00:20:23.229
out conferencing instead of developing.

00:20:23.249 --> 00:20:24.690
Yeah.

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I mean, I don't know.

00:20:27.507 --> 00:20:28.928
I think some of this stuff

00:20:28.968 --> 00:20:31.109
drives off of Bitcoin and Ethereum,

00:20:31.329 --> 00:20:31.529
right?

00:20:32.330 --> 00:20:36.012
Ethereum is just back on over $3,000,

00:20:36.012 --> 00:20:38.494
where, what, was it late May?

00:20:38.515 --> 00:20:41.057
I was looking at about $4,000, just about.

00:20:42.018 --> 00:20:43.739
So you have a 25% drop in a month.

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And after the SEC and all

00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:47.240
that kind of news gets broken,

00:20:47.260 --> 00:20:49.242
so what's the next thing?

00:20:54.365 --> 00:20:54.546
Right.

00:20:54.885 --> 00:20:57.448
So like what's the catalyst?

00:20:57.508 --> 00:20:59.048
We keep talking about this catalyst.

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What is the catalyst?

00:21:00.210 --> 00:21:00.390
Right.

00:21:00.470 --> 00:21:02.392
So two months ago, they approved,

00:21:02.451 --> 00:21:03.492
which you could say is

00:21:03.553 --> 00:21:04.492
priced in because there's all that,

00:21:04.874 --> 00:21:06.474
you know, after or before that approval,

00:21:06.515 --> 00:21:07.915
there was so much talk

00:21:07.955 --> 00:21:09.277
about that approval and it was coming.

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And so it was kind of priced into that.

00:21:10.617 --> 00:21:11.718
And so just when it came,

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it's really what it is, what it is.

00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:14.681
And then you get a nice

00:21:14.701 --> 00:21:15.820
spike after that based off

00:21:16.021 --> 00:21:18.299
Bitcoin going to 70,000.

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And now that's at 57 and

00:21:20.740 --> 00:21:21.740
Ethereum is actually

00:21:21.760 --> 00:21:23.362
Ethereum was at 2,800 for a while.

00:21:23.382 --> 00:21:24.102
I didn't even see that

00:21:24.501 --> 00:21:26.222
actually below that even 20.

00:21:26.222 --> 00:21:27.384
Yeah.

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2,800 bucks.

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I bought, I bought my ETH at ATH.

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Sorry, everybody.

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You're like, I'm doing my part.

00:21:37.307 --> 00:21:37.807
I bought it.

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And then literally the next

00:21:39.607 --> 00:21:40.769
day it took a nosedive.

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Yeah.

00:21:44.362 --> 00:21:44.823
Last week,

00:21:44.883 --> 00:21:46.423
I saved the market as well by

00:21:46.483 --> 00:21:50.247
dumping some of my bag at ATL.

00:21:51.508 --> 00:21:53.930
Nice.

00:21:54.250 --> 00:21:54.851
You're welcome.

00:21:55.510 --> 00:21:55.931
I'm poor.

00:21:55.971 --> 00:21:56.511
You're welcome.

00:21:58.913 --> 00:22:00.095
It's a big L for the team.

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Some stuff bounced back this week.

00:22:01.996 --> 00:22:02.876
Say it bounced a little bit.

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It's back at least above $0.30.

00:22:04.198 --> 00:22:06.159
It was down to $0.26 or

00:22:06.180 --> 00:22:06.680
something like that.

00:22:07.777 --> 00:22:09.156
Oh, no, I made it lower.

00:22:09.277 --> 00:22:10.938
I got it down to $25.

00:22:11.718 --> 00:22:12.698
Good job.

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It's back up to $30.

00:22:14.178 --> 00:22:15.097
Almost $33.

00:22:15.679 --> 00:22:16.239
What a guy.

00:22:17.118 --> 00:22:17.598
What a guy.

00:22:18.098 --> 00:22:18.479
What a guy.

00:22:19.538 --> 00:22:20.880
I bottomed it out and just

00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:22.039
sent it after that.

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Bought back in at $30.

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Adam's above $6.

00:22:25.059 --> 00:22:27.040
I guess it's at $6 right now.

00:22:27.520 --> 00:22:29.221
It was in the fives for a while, I think.

00:22:31.082 --> 00:22:31.501
So, yeah.

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Yeah, I don't know.

00:22:33.294 --> 00:22:35.915
I mean, when shit like this happens,

00:22:35.955 --> 00:22:36.856
people lose interest and it

00:22:36.876 --> 00:22:38.978
just takes some time and

00:22:39.378 --> 00:22:40.338
what's the next catalyst

00:22:40.398 --> 00:22:41.619
and all that kind of shit, right?

00:22:43.221 --> 00:22:43.582
Yeah.

00:22:43.721 --> 00:22:46.002
I mean, you know, I was like, geez,

00:22:46.042 --> 00:22:47.284
I'm getting hosed over here.

00:22:47.544 --> 00:22:48.525
Maybe I'll take a look at

00:22:48.565 --> 00:22:49.826
the old stock portfolio.

00:22:50.125 --> 00:22:51.106
Amazon doing well.

00:22:52.728 --> 00:22:53.548
Amazon's doing well.

00:22:54.088 --> 00:22:54.308
Yeah.

00:22:55.329 --> 00:22:55.650
I can't,

00:22:56.471 --> 00:22:58.873
it's baffling to me how it keeps

00:22:58.913 --> 00:23:00.913
going up when its valuation

00:23:00.973 --> 00:23:02.115
is already astronomical.

00:23:03.003 --> 00:23:03.523
Surely they,

00:23:03.544 --> 00:23:05.945
I haven't looked into the like

00:23:06.207 --> 00:23:09.209
actual macros of Amazon a lot,

00:23:09.469 --> 00:23:11.269
but I'm assuming that

00:23:11.309 --> 00:23:12.912
they're pretty bad compared

00:23:12.932 --> 00:23:16.134
to its market capitalization anyway.

00:23:18.516 --> 00:23:18.915
I don't know.

00:23:18.976 --> 00:23:20.557
I mean, they kind of control that, right?

00:23:20.738 --> 00:23:22.098
So, I mean,

00:23:22.118 --> 00:23:22.959
that was a story for a long

00:23:22.979 --> 00:23:23.420
time because they were

00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:24.200
putting so much money into

00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:25.361
AWS and infrastructure.

00:23:25.601 --> 00:23:27.041
But like right now we're

00:23:27.063 --> 00:23:27.722
going from two-day to

00:23:27.803 --> 00:23:29.084
one-day delivery or I'm sorry,

00:23:29.124 --> 00:23:29.904
same-day delivery.

00:23:31.105 --> 00:23:32.787
Like that juggernaut, man, I don't know.

00:23:34.178 --> 00:23:34.917
we spend, I mean,

00:23:35.598 --> 00:23:37.098
the amount that of dollars,

00:23:37.179 --> 00:23:38.000
at least here in the States

00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:41.402
that goes that direction is incredible.

00:23:43.442 --> 00:23:44.143
Like we have retailers,

00:23:44.163 --> 00:23:45.103
we have retailers dropping

00:23:45.123 --> 00:23:46.084
around us all over the place.

00:23:46.503 --> 00:23:47.163
So I don't know.

00:23:47.464 --> 00:23:49.325
It still thinks an AWS, AWS is AWS,

00:23:49.345 --> 00:23:49.566
but yeah,

00:23:52.348 --> 00:23:52.568
You know,

00:23:52.828 --> 00:23:53.890
before it was AWS that was

00:23:53.930 --> 00:23:55.911
driving a lot of that margin,

00:23:55.931 --> 00:23:57.511
but I think those days are kind of over.

00:23:58.271 --> 00:23:58.673
Now it's like,

00:23:58.873 --> 00:24:00.114
now they kind of control how

00:24:00.134 --> 00:24:00.693
much you're going to spend

00:24:00.753 --> 00:24:02.194
and what delivery structure

00:24:02.214 --> 00:24:03.535
is going on and what DCs

00:24:03.555 --> 00:24:04.996
they're building and all that stuff.

00:24:06.737 --> 00:24:07.057
Yeah,

00:24:07.077 --> 00:24:10.098
I think there's still a lot of growth

00:24:10.179 --> 00:24:10.559
in like,

00:24:11.549 --> 00:24:14.732
data center I think um I'm

00:24:14.772 --> 00:24:16.013
invested in a company over

00:24:16.054 --> 00:24:16.875
here in australia that

00:24:16.914 --> 00:24:18.516
builds data centers and

00:24:19.477 --> 00:24:22.319
they they surprise me that

00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:23.441
you know their business

00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:24.642
model is pretty mundane

00:24:24.682 --> 00:24:26.143
it's like sell contracts

00:24:27.064 --> 00:24:29.445
build data centers fill

00:24:29.465 --> 00:24:32.689
megawatts and um like

00:24:32.709 --> 00:24:33.609
they've just been steadily

00:24:33.650 --> 00:24:34.611
growing for like the last

00:24:35.211 --> 00:24:36.952
six or seven years and uh

00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:38.759
Yeah, I mean,

00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:39.601
they're looking pretty good

00:24:39.641 --> 00:24:40.901
on the on the balance sheet as well.

00:24:41.381 --> 00:24:45.323
I, you know, for my personal finances,

00:24:45.403 --> 00:24:46.663
I had to sell basically all

00:24:46.682 --> 00:24:49.223
of my stocks to buy this house.

00:24:50.924 --> 00:24:51.085
Actually,

00:24:51.105 --> 00:24:52.184
I had to sell everything I own

00:24:53.806 --> 00:24:54.965
for the deposit of this house.

00:24:58.406 --> 00:25:00.988
So, you know, I've got my ass hanging out.

00:25:01.167 --> 00:25:01.989
What are you doing today?

00:25:02.009 --> 00:25:02.068
And

00:25:06.135 --> 00:25:07.215
There was like a couple that

00:25:07.256 --> 00:25:09.356
I kept and the data center one was one.

00:25:10.356 --> 00:25:12.636
And what was the other one?

00:25:12.656 --> 00:25:14.597
I kept Amazon because it was

00:25:14.637 --> 00:25:15.698
a pain in the ass to sell

00:25:15.897 --> 00:25:16.897
because it's on the

00:25:16.958 --> 00:25:18.098
American Stock Exchange.

00:25:19.499 --> 00:25:22.279
And Juno?

00:25:23.900 --> 00:25:24.440
No, Juno.

00:25:26.299 --> 00:25:26.941
Holding that Juno?

00:25:29.421 --> 00:25:31.882
All my Juno holdings are going ATL.

00:25:31.902 --> 00:25:33.162
Okay.

00:25:35.595 --> 00:25:37.236
what I don't know there's

00:25:37.256 --> 00:25:38.076
like a couple of tech

00:25:38.215 --> 00:25:40.376
techie type based ones oh

00:25:40.416 --> 00:25:41.997
there's like uh actually um

00:25:43.798 --> 00:25:45.138
there's a audio one it's

00:25:45.179 --> 00:25:46.999
called um ordinate and they

00:25:47.058 --> 00:25:51.121
make uh network audio okay

00:25:51.560 --> 00:25:52.560
you got a lot of patents

00:25:52.580 --> 00:25:53.842
for network audio it's it's

00:25:53.882 --> 00:25:56.563
coming along um I've been

00:25:56.583 --> 00:25:57.643
invested in it for years

00:25:57.682 --> 00:25:58.584
and years and years as well

00:25:58.624 --> 00:25:59.483
back when they were like a

00:25:59.523 --> 00:26:02.525
penny and uh yeah they

00:26:03.220 --> 00:26:04.420
They're making some ground now.

00:26:04.579 --> 00:26:06.441
They had a really bad time during COVID.

00:26:06.961 --> 00:26:07.421
Really bad.

00:26:08.281 --> 00:26:08.801
Lost a lot of,

00:26:08.922 --> 00:26:10.102
because obviously there was

00:26:10.142 --> 00:26:11.482
no live events or anything like that.

00:26:12.502 --> 00:26:15.943
So they just lost a lot of market then.

00:26:16.463 --> 00:26:17.464
I wouldn't say market share.

00:26:17.505 --> 00:26:18.404
I'd say the market just

00:26:18.464 --> 00:26:19.605
stopped existing for a while.

00:26:21.006 --> 00:26:21.786
Yeah.

00:26:22.266 --> 00:26:22.547
But yeah,

00:26:22.567 --> 00:26:25.307
they're starting to come back now.

00:26:25.627 --> 00:26:26.087
But anyway,

00:26:26.307 --> 00:26:28.729
has Rama provided the news this week?

00:26:28.749 --> 00:26:30.308
I haven't looked at the spreadsheet.

00:26:30.348 --> 00:26:31.348
There's some stuff in the spreadsheet.

00:26:32.670 --> 00:26:32.829
Yep.

00:26:33.270 --> 00:26:33.971
There's some data in there.

00:26:34.991 --> 00:26:35.511
Thanks Rama.

00:26:36.292 --> 00:26:36.452
Yeah.

00:26:37.732 --> 00:26:38.314
Some actual news.

00:26:39.193 --> 00:26:39.875
What are we up to?

00:26:39.974 --> 00:26:41.655
We, we didn't skip an episode again.

00:26:41.695 --> 00:26:43.135
We're we're on one one nine.

00:26:43.856 --> 00:26:44.136
We are.

00:26:45.867 --> 00:26:46.828
Things can only get better.

00:26:47.469 --> 00:26:49.170
Apologies, everybody, as well,

00:26:49.250 --> 00:26:50.330
for last week.

00:26:50.351 --> 00:26:52.971
It was a last-minute cancellation.

00:26:53.673 --> 00:26:54.833
People just had stuff on.

00:26:57.115 --> 00:26:58.675
Plus, prices were down.

00:26:59.596 --> 00:27:00.537
Yeah, I mean,

00:27:01.037 --> 00:27:03.699
no one feels much like

00:27:03.778 --> 00:27:05.480
talking about things when

00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:06.621
everyone's down bad.

00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.282
I don't want to get out of bed today.

00:27:16.006 --> 00:27:19.428
Have you reviewed the news?

00:27:19.887 --> 00:27:20.308
Of course not.

00:27:20.348 --> 00:27:21.308
We just created a stream

00:27:21.328 --> 00:27:22.730
like five minutes before we launched it.

00:27:22.750 --> 00:27:23.349
What are you talking about?

00:27:24.590 --> 00:27:25.451
Yeah, literally.

00:27:25.892 --> 00:27:28.113
Frey's not involved and that was it.

00:27:29.733 --> 00:27:30.474
Yeah.

00:27:30.575 --> 00:27:32.215
He's like, nothing.

00:27:32.455 --> 00:27:36.998
I'm out.

00:27:37.798 --> 00:27:38.999
Next week should be a good week.

00:27:39.140 --> 00:27:40.660
Hopefully, we'll all be on for that.

00:27:40.961 --> 00:27:41.601
The four of us together,

00:27:41.621 --> 00:27:42.902
which hasn't happened in a few weeks now.

00:27:43.846 --> 00:27:45.727
and uh the week after that I

00:27:45.747 --> 00:27:46.928
think I might actually see

00:27:47.729 --> 00:27:48.829
the fray so that'll be good

00:27:50.411 --> 00:27:52.372
oh some proof of life yes

00:27:53.113 --> 00:27:53.913
we're gonna head that way

00:27:55.294 --> 00:27:57.214
are you uh I oh you're

00:27:57.255 --> 00:27:59.876
going to jolly england yeah

00:27:59.896 --> 00:28:04.019
we are yep yeah whenever uh

00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:06.261
dr fray and I first met the

00:28:06.281 --> 00:28:07.883
first thing I did was grabbed his butt

00:28:08.672 --> 00:28:09.231
On accident.

00:28:09.791 --> 00:28:10.313
Oh, really?

00:28:10.752 --> 00:28:11.252
Maybe I'll do that.

00:28:11.272 --> 00:28:11.813
Should I do that?

00:28:12.432 --> 00:28:13.733
Should I keep the tradition alive?

00:28:13.753 --> 00:28:16.634
Yeah.

00:28:17.315 --> 00:28:18.316
She'll tell me to do this.

00:28:18.955 --> 00:28:19.816
Yeah, he had his kiddo.

00:28:20.135 --> 00:28:21.717
First of all, Dr. Frey's really tall.

00:28:22.136 --> 00:28:23.416
So there's a height difference.

00:28:23.597 --> 00:28:24.157
I've met him before.

00:28:24.178 --> 00:28:26.298
Oh, okay.

00:28:26.378 --> 00:28:27.159
So he had a baby on the

00:28:27.179 --> 00:28:28.558
front and a backpack on the back.

00:28:28.598 --> 00:28:29.579
And we went to hug.

00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:31.579
And my hand just went down.

00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:33.760
And being down just meant his butt.

00:28:33.840 --> 00:28:35.142
And I was like, oh, jeez.

00:28:36.229 --> 00:28:37.710
Sorry, I'm just getting fresh over here.

00:28:37.730 --> 00:28:39.029
All right, praise on notice.

00:28:39.849 --> 00:28:41.570
Going for the posterior.

00:28:41.590 --> 00:28:47.593
He sent us a photo of his trip cycling,

00:28:48.373 --> 00:28:50.233
and I made some off-color

00:28:50.273 --> 00:28:52.355
comments about his size,

00:28:53.194 --> 00:28:56.796
and he failed to respond.

00:28:59.656 --> 00:29:00.817
I thought that was quite clever.

00:29:00.877 --> 00:29:02.137
Like, hey, man, do you ball?

00:29:03.669 --> 00:29:04.209
Do you ball?

00:29:04.930 --> 00:29:07.391
You know, basketball?

00:29:07.671 --> 00:29:08.351
You have to ask.

00:29:08.471 --> 00:29:09.951
It's just absolutely

00:29:09.991 --> 00:29:11.011
everyone you meet who's tall,

00:29:11.051 --> 00:29:11.672
you have to ask that.

00:29:11.692 --> 00:29:12.873
Do you ball?

00:29:12.893 --> 00:29:14.493
Do you ball, man?

00:29:17.795 --> 00:29:19.635
So, you know,

00:29:19.675 --> 00:29:21.036
before getting on to the news,

00:29:21.676 --> 00:29:23.757
another thing that has been

00:29:23.836 --> 00:29:24.478
quite active in

00:29:24.538 --> 00:29:25.617
conversation this week

00:29:25.657 --> 00:29:29.200
between me and Schiltze is coffee.

00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:32.721
um I live miles away which

00:29:32.761 --> 00:29:36.144
is weird from a cafe and

00:29:36.183 --> 00:29:37.463
also my driveway is quite

00:29:37.523 --> 00:29:38.605
steep and I'm pretty sure

00:29:38.644 --> 00:29:39.705
it cost me a dollar fifty

00:29:39.726 --> 00:29:40.846
in diesel every time I

00:29:41.066 --> 00:29:45.409
leave it so um you know

00:29:45.509 --> 00:29:47.109
switching from a cafe man

00:29:47.369 --> 00:29:48.730
to a home barista

00:29:49.631 --> 00:29:51.772
and uh fell down the rabbit

00:29:51.792 --> 00:29:53.693
hole of coffee machines and

00:29:53.875 --> 00:29:55.056
let me tell you my friend

00:29:55.175 --> 00:29:58.739
that hole is deep are you

00:29:58.778 --> 00:30:03.122
talking drip drip okay all

00:30:03.162 --> 00:30:05.344
right yeah espresso yes I

00:30:05.384 --> 00:30:06.045
have an espresso machine

00:30:06.085 --> 00:30:07.306
yeah don't fucking yell at

00:30:07.346 --> 00:30:11.449
me don't you at me man I

00:30:11.469 --> 00:30:12.369
drink more drip coffee than

00:30:12.390 --> 00:30:13.611
I do espresso I make shots

00:30:13.651 --> 00:30:16.452
but so what do you buy something

00:30:17.392 --> 00:30:18.212
I haven't pulled it.

00:30:18.292 --> 00:30:19.453
I almost pulled the trigger

00:30:19.814 --> 00:30:22.715
straight away on Schultz's recommendation,

00:30:22.836 --> 00:30:27.599
but I think... Was that a Rancho?

00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:28.520
No, it wasn't.

00:30:29.060 --> 00:30:30.701
It wasn't a Ranchillo.

00:30:31.163 --> 00:30:34.325
Was it a... We talked about it in Austin,

00:30:34.345 --> 00:30:34.565
right?

00:30:36.141 --> 00:30:36.441
Yeah.

00:30:36.580 --> 00:30:37.881
So just a simple Breville machine,

00:30:37.921 --> 00:30:38.662
but I didn't realize.

00:30:38.701 --> 00:30:40.541
So the way I roll is I'll

00:30:40.582 --> 00:30:42.041
get something cheap until I

00:30:42.082 --> 00:30:43.082
know that I use it or until

00:30:43.102 --> 00:30:43.682
like it breaks.

00:30:44.103 --> 00:30:45.002
And then I'll like get the

00:30:45.022 --> 00:30:45.722
really expensive thing.

00:30:45.742 --> 00:30:46.903
Cause I know I'm committed to whatever.

00:30:47.282 --> 00:30:47.623
Good idea.

00:30:47.883 --> 00:30:50.304
I didn't realize Mr. Big balls over here,

00:30:50.544 --> 00:30:51.644
like skip the cheap part

00:30:51.683 --> 00:30:52.844
and just go full expensive.

00:30:52.884 --> 00:30:54.244
So whenever I recommended this,

00:30:54.265 --> 00:30:57.085
I was going by my paradigm.

00:30:58.766 --> 00:30:59.046
Yeah.

00:30:59.066 --> 00:31:02.246
I was like, that's a cute recommendation.

00:31:02.286 --> 00:31:03.467
She'll see, but yeah.

00:31:05.446 --> 00:31:08.409
So, I mean, I looked into it.

00:31:08.710 --> 00:31:09.769
I researched the machine

00:31:09.809 --> 00:31:10.750
that Schiltz sent through.

00:31:10.770 --> 00:31:12.271
It's a decent machine.

00:31:12.833 --> 00:31:15.894
But I'm looking for that more involved,

00:31:16.855 --> 00:31:20.198
you know, Espresso feeling.

00:31:20.637 --> 00:31:22.660
Double boiling or a single

00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:24.060
with a heat exchanger?

00:31:24.320 --> 00:31:26.682
Well, there's...

00:31:28.205 --> 00:31:30.547
a couple of ways that this could go down.

00:31:30.567 --> 00:31:32.248
I haven't made a decision yet.

00:31:32.268 --> 00:31:33.368
I haven't made a purchase.

00:31:33.429 --> 00:31:35.931
I'm still researching the field.

00:31:36.211 --> 00:31:36.451
Right.

00:31:37.010 --> 00:31:37.672
Okay.

00:31:37.692 --> 00:31:39.972
So, I mean, you've got your Gaja and your,

00:31:40.292 --> 00:31:44.194
your Ren, Ren Chilio type machines,

00:31:44.234 --> 00:31:46.977
which are a single boiler do some, uh,

00:31:47.557 --> 00:31:48.978
you know, temperature surfing,

00:31:48.998 --> 00:31:49.698
that type of stuff,

00:31:49.718 --> 00:31:50.979
which I'm not massively keen on,

00:31:51.298 --> 00:31:52.400
but there is like,

00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:53.921
so those two machines and

00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:56.321
even some of the, the Breville or Sage in,

00:31:56.521 --> 00:31:56.582
uh,

00:31:57.663 --> 00:31:59.184
in maybe your part of the world.

00:31:59.484 --> 00:31:59.704
Actually,

00:31:59.724 --> 00:32:02.087
I think it's... Is it called Sage

00:32:02.127 --> 00:32:02.508
over there?

00:32:03.990 --> 00:32:04.269
No.

00:32:04.470 --> 00:32:05.771
So, no, they're Breville here,

00:32:05.832 --> 00:32:08.213
but Breville is Sage, as best I can tell.

00:32:08.413 --> 00:32:09.596
I think it's actually Jolly

00:32:09.655 --> 00:32:11.817
England that they're Sage or, you know,

00:32:11.877 --> 00:32:13.038
over that part of the world.

00:32:13.058 --> 00:32:13.920
So...

00:32:17.065 --> 00:32:18.365
There is a big modding

00:32:18.405 --> 00:32:21.048
community with those types of machines.

00:32:21.188 --> 00:32:23.409
And there's... Holy shit, man.

00:32:23.750 --> 00:32:25.851
That fucking... There's just

00:32:26.010 --> 00:32:27.451
entire forums dedicated to

00:32:27.511 --> 00:32:28.132
these machines.

00:32:28.512 --> 00:32:29.053
Yeah.

00:32:29.252 --> 00:32:30.894
And people put Auduinos in

00:32:30.933 --> 00:32:33.455
them and PID and just

00:32:33.576 --> 00:32:34.497
change out all those bits.

00:32:35.978 --> 00:32:37.318
That did sound appealing to me,

00:32:37.398 --> 00:32:38.038
not going to lie.

00:32:38.479 --> 00:32:41.902
But it's also probably more

00:32:41.961 --> 00:32:42.981
time than what I have to

00:32:43.041 --> 00:32:44.743
spend on a coffee machine right now.

00:32:44.864 --> 00:32:45.064
So...

00:32:46.730 --> 00:32:47.789
then I started to look at

00:32:47.869 --> 00:32:48.490
you know the different

00:32:48.530 --> 00:32:49.711
types of group heads in the

00:32:49.891 --> 00:32:51.211
in the heating mechanisms

00:32:51.751 --> 00:32:54.251
so schultz is a fan of the

00:32:54.451 --> 00:32:55.573
e61 group head from like

00:32:56.032 --> 00:32:58.753
the day from the 70s uh

00:32:58.814 --> 00:33:00.453
which be clear I'm not a

00:33:00.554 --> 00:33:01.555
huge fan of them I don't

00:33:01.595 --> 00:33:02.394
like the startup time

00:33:02.414 --> 00:33:03.194
that's why I recommend it

00:33:03.214 --> 00:33:05.635
yeah it's not that exactly

00:33:05.695 --> 00:33:07.056
so the boil time is like

00:33:07.375 --> 00:33:12.317
not great um so there are I think it's

00:33:15.026 --> 00:33:15.846
i can't remember the the

00:33:15.886 --> 00:33:18.008
brand um but there's uh

00:33:18.028 --> 00:33:18.729
like this other brand

00:33:18.749 --> 00:33:19.569
that's sort of developed to

00:33:19.609 --> 00:33:20.911
their own group head I

00:33:20.971 --> 00:33:21.631
can't remember the name of

00:33:21.651 --> 00:33:23.011
the group it is like a bz10

00:33:23.313 --> 00:33:25.034
or something like that um

00:33:25.213 --> 00:33:27.655
that are sensuality and it

00:33:27.695 --> 00:33:28.876
heats up in like 10 minutes

00:33:28.957 --> 00:33:30.719
it's it's a lot quicker um

00:33:30.798 --> 00:33:31.960
and I'd probably put like

00:33:32.660 --> 00:33:35.982
um you know just like a smart uh

00:33:37.201 --> 00:33:38.403
controller on the power

00:33:38.442 --> 00:33:40.623
cable just so it turns on in the morning.

00:33:40.804 --> 00:33:41.023
Yeah.

00:33:41.903 --> 00:33:43.164
Um, so I'm,

00:33:43.265 --> 00:33:44.244
I'm thinking something like

00:33:44.285 --> 00:33:45.365
about that tier of machine.

00:33:45.384 --> 00:33:47.506
It's like, you know, the prosumer level,

00:33:47.987 --> 00:33:50.387
but not as crazy as like your, um,

00:33:51.307 --> 00:33:53.548
love Marissa mini.

00:33:54.133 --> 00:33:54.973
like the linear mini,

00:33:54.993 --> 00:33:56.375
which is like 10 grand here.

00:33:56.394 --> 00:33:59.416
So it's like, you know, a cup, like,

00:33:59.457 --> 00:34:02.119
you know, 1500, two grand Australian,

00:34:02.140 --> 00:34:04.121
which is like a thousand bucks us.

00:34:04.821 --> 00:34:07.503
So, you know, but just one and done it.

00:34:07.564 --> 00:34:08.143
I've already got a

00:34:08.204 --> 00:34:09.666
reasonable coffee grinder,

00:34:10.266 --> 00:34:12.027
but it'll need upgrading as

00:34:12.068 --> 00:34:13.088
well at some point.

00:34:13.208 --> 00:34:13.449
So yeah.

00:34:14.570 --> 00:34:17.913
um yeah man the getting into

00:34:17.932 --> 00:34:19.034
the rabbit and then you

00:34:19.074 --> 00:34:20.594
know you like your your

00:34:20.635 --> 00:34:21.896
baskets all these things

00:34:21.936 --> 00:34:23.056
come with the wrong basket

00:34:23.077 --> 00:34:24.217
there's no for whatever

00:34:24.518 --> 00:34:25.239
reason people aren't

00:34:25.278 --> 00:34:26.239
shipping with 18 gram

00:34:26.260 --> 00:34:28.422
baskets what the fuck like

00:34:28.481 --> 00:34:29.222
everyone uses 18 gram

00:34:30.487 --> 00:34:31.748
Every review you look at,

00:34:31.788 --> 00:34:32.987
they're like fucking just

00:34:33.007 --> 00:34:33.849
pull the basket out and

00:34:33.869 --> 00:34:35.449
throw it and stuff an 18 gram in there.

00:34:35.489 --> 00:34:38.451
Like, well,

00:34:38.471 --> 00:34:41.172
I come in with like six and six,

00:34:41.233 --> 00:34:44.173
six and like seven and 16

00:34:44.173 --> 00:34:45.474
grammars and weird shit

00:34:45.514 --> 00:34:46.976
like that for your single

00:34:47.016 --> 00:34:49.137
and your double rather than just an 18.

00:34:49.137 --> 00:34:49.597
Like who has this?

00:34:50.077 --> 00:34:50.978
Who has a single shot?

00:34:51.478 --> 00:34:52.259
I'm pretty sure anyone who

00:34:52.298 --> 00:34:53.398
has a single shot just has

00:34:53.418 --> 00:34:54.820
a double shot and throws

00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:55.380
the other one away.

00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:56.561
Yeah.

00:34:56.780 --> 00:34:59.903
you know could be so but but

00:34:59.943 --> 00:35:01.445
also who's who's well I

00:35:01.465 --> 00:35:02.985
guess maybe espresso people

00:35:03.025 --> 00:35:05.387
might have a single but um

00:35:06.668 --> 00:35:08.190
so anyway are you just

00:35:08.210 --> 00:35:09.532
pulling shots or are you

00:35:09.652 --> 00:35:10.532
foaming milk and all that

00:35:10.572 --> 00:35:12.293
shit or no I'm a I'm a milk

00:35:12.333 --> 00:35:13.554
guy so that was another

00:35:13.594 --> 00:35:15.416
problem with some of like

00:35:15.456 --> 00:35:17.498
the um gaja classic and

00:35:17.538 --> 00:35:19.760
that is that they because

00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:21.161
they're a single boiler you

00:35:21.201 --> 00:35:24.403
have to sort of hunt that in the yeah

00:35:25.023 --> 00:35:25.324
Yeah,

00:35:25.724 --> 00:35:27.306
it's just... It's a little more

00:35:27.346 --> 00:35:28.728
difficult to get the right

00:35:28.768 --> 00:35:30.969
temperatures and time in

00:35:31.030 --> 00:35:32.150
between to get the right

00:35:32.190 --> 00:35:33.592
temperatures for frothing your milk.

00:35:34.293 --> 00:35:34.472
Yeah.

00:35:34.572 --> 00:35:35.994
No, it's a pain in the ass is what it is.

00:35:37.195 --> 00:35:37.516
Yeah.

00:35:37.956 --> 00:35:38.976
It's just not worth it.

00:35:38.996 --> 00:35:39.898
Like, it's just a pain in the ass.

00:35:39.938 --> 00:35:41.298
And then the other thing is, like,

00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:42.400
if you want... You can't do

00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:43.300
back-to-back because...

00:35:44.315 --> 00:35:46.217
Because if you do a shot and

00:35:46.356 --> 00:35:47.217
use the heat exchanger,

00:35:47.257 --> 00:35:47.958
then you actually wait for

00:35:47.978 --> 00:35:49.300
the heat exchanger to bring

00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:50.260
the boiler temperature back

00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:51.121
down to when you pull a shot.

00:35:51.161 --> 00:35:52.123
That could be like a half an hour.

00:35:52.764 --> 00:35:53.545
So like if you're,

00:35:54.266 --> 00:35:55.646
you got to like back them up, right?

00:35:55.666 --> 00:35:56.288
So you're going to make like

00:35:56.307 --> 00:35:57.048
a bunch of shots and then

00:35:57.108 --> 00:35:58.130
come back and froth milk.

00:35:58.170 --> 00:35:59.110
And like, you don't want to do all that.

00:35:59.150 --> 00:36:00.132
That's fucking nightmare.

00:36:00.291 --> 00:36:00.813
So if you're going to,

00:36:00.932 --> 00:36:01.833
if you're actually going to use milk,

00:36:01.873 --> 00:36:02.134
I would,

00:36:02.213 --> 00:36:02.994
I would ignore everything else

00:36:03.054 --> 00:36:03.976
and just get a double

00:36:03.996 --> 00:36:04.777
boiler and just be done.

00:36:05.137 --> 00:36:06.318
A jewel boiler, yeah.

00:36:06.617 --> 00:36:07.498
Yeah.

00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:09.360
So the one I'm looking at at

00:36:09.380 --> 00:36:11.222
the moment is a jewel boiler.

00:36:11.442 --> 00:36:13.583
It's got that different group head on it.

00:36:14.643 --> 00:36:15.465
It's got quite good reviews.

00:36:15.485 --> 00:36:16.465
There's nothing wrong with

00:36:16.485 --> 00:36:16.905
the 61 group head.

00:36:16.925 --> 00:36:17.405
I don't know.

00:36:17.646 --> 00:36:18.306
That has nothing to do with

00:36:18.327 --> 00:36:19.027
the boiler or anything else.

00:36:19.047 --> 00:36:19.648
I don't know why you guys

00:36:19.668 --> 00:36:20.188
are talking about that.

00:36:20.929 --> 00:36:21.309
No, no.

00:36:21.489 --> 00:36:22.349
The 61,

00:36:22.349 --> 00:36:23.911
it takes a long time for the group

00:36:23.931 --> 00:36:24.771
head itself to heat up.

00:36:25.452 --> 00:36:27.072
It takes like half an hour.

00:36:27.152 --> 00:36:29.255
I see what you're saying.

00:36:29.275 --> 00:36:29.514
Yeah.

00:36:29.755 --> 00:36:30.615
I have mine in a tournament

00:36:30.635 --> 00:36:31.496
that goes like that.

00:36:31.536 --> 00:36:32.416
It basically gets a boiler

00:36:32.456 --> 00:36:33.117
and everything going for

00:36:33.157 --> 00:36:34.139
half an hour before you want to pull.

00:36:34.378 --> 00:36:34.498
Yeah.

00:36:34.929 --> 00:36:35.829
Yep, exactly.

00:36:36.670 --> 00:36:37.710
I have a Quickmill.

00:36:37.911 --> 00:36:38.911
It's Italian.

00:36:39.132 --> 00:36:39.532
It's nice.

00:36:40.213 --> 00:36:40.893
It's a single boiler.

00:36:40.914 --> 00:36:42.195
It's what Shieldsy has.

00:36:42.215 --> 00:36:43.715
Do you have a Quickmill?

00:36:45.077 --> 00:36:45.757
Andrea, how premium?

00:36:47.018 --> 00:36:47.498
No shit.

00:36:47.699 --> 00:36:49.039
That's how fucking random, dude.

00:36:49.601 --> 00:36:51.682
I thought you said you had the Eco.

00:36:54.144 --> 00:36:55.125
We sent a link to the Eco.

00:36:55.144 --> 00:36:55.626
The Evo.

00:36:55.646 --> 00:36:58.188
I have the Anita with a pit on it.

00:37:02.472 --> 00:37:03.934
Um, no, the Alexia, I'm sorry.

00:37:03.974 --> 00:37:04.414
The Alexia,

00:37:04.434 --> 00:37:07.036
I have the Alexia with a pit on it, um,

00:37:07.115 --> 00:37:08.297
which is installed separately.

00:37:08.336 --> 00:37:09.978
So the Alexia, I think ships with that.

00:37:10.018 --> 00:37:11.018
Now this was like 10 years ago.

00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:13.360
And then, so that it's got heat exchanger.

00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:14.280
Then it just pulls shots.

00:37:14.300 --> 00:37:15.481
Cause I don't, I don't do that milk shit.

00:37:16.282 --> 00:37:18.963
Um, which is, it's a nice, it's a nice,

00:37:19.523 --> 00:37:21.445
it's a nice, it's a nice structure.

00:37:21.505 --> 00:37:22.786
Like it's gotta be, you don't,

00:37:23.025 --> 00:37:24.027
you don't do the milk shit.

00:37:24.527 --> 00:37:25.827
You're not a straight shot.

00:37:25.907 --> 00:37:26.248
Okay.

00:37:26.489 --> 00:37:29.630
Purely, purely, purely, uh, Americanos.

00:37:30.791 --> 00:37:31.996
Um, that's a really good,

00:37:32.016 --> 00:37:33.079
the other brand I would really look at,

00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:34.284
which I would upgrade to

00:37:34.304 --> 00:37:35.469
would be a dual boiler rocket.

00:37:36.931 --> 00:37:38.893
Rocket is a nice brand.

00:37:39.552 --> 00:37:40.532
I had a Rocket right before

00:37:40.552 --> 00:37:41.152
I had the Quick Mill,

00:37:41.172 --> 00:37:41.932
but it was really old.

00:37:41.952 --> 00:37:42.733
It was from the 80s.

00:37:43.114 --> 00:37:43.474
Oh, really?

00:37:43.873 --> 00:37:44.273
Yeah.

00:37:44.333 --> 00:37:47.175
They're two boiler systems.

00:37:47.835 --> 00:37:49.876
That's a really nice espresso machine,

00:37:49.896 --> 00:37:50.835
which is not ridiculous.

00:37:51.635 --> 00:37:52.817
Here it'd be... Well, I mean,

00:37:53.077 --> 00:37:53.817
they're all ridiculous.

00:37:53.836 --> 00:37:54.317
Don't get me wrong.

00:37:54.376 --> 00:37:56.557
But it'd probably be like $2,500 US,

00:37:57.277 --> 00:37:58.657
which is, I think, ridiculous.

00:37:58.677 --> 00:37:59.077
Don't get me wrong.

00:37:59.137 --> 00:38:01.259
But there would be... It's

00:38:01.278 --> 00:38:01.699
just not $10,000, right?

00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.699
You're not buying some of this other shit.

00:38:05.827 --> 00:38:06.208
It's so funny.

00:38:06.228 --> 00:38:06.728
You have equipment.

00:38:06.849 --> 00:38:07.570
There's very few of those.

00:38:07.610 --> 00:38:08.652
That is expensive,

00:38:08.771 --> 00:38:09.954
but you can amortize that

00:38:10.155 --> 00:38:11.516
pretty quickly down to like,

00:38:11.677 --> 00:38:12.717
so like I used to

00:38:12.759 --> 00:38:14.000
spreadsheet this and I got

00:38:14.081 --> 00:38:17.045
under 50 cents per latte in

00:38:17.065 --> 00:38:18.246
like two years.

00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:20.541
Taking into account the cost

00:38:20.561 --> 00:38:22.101
of electricity, taking into account water,

00:38:22.463 --> 00:38:25.784
milk, fresh beans, all maintenance things,

00:38:26.206 --> 00:38:26.925
just because it's like a

00:38:26.965 --> 00:38:27.706
weird hobby thing.

00:38:27.827 --> 00:38:29.548
So it's really not that bad.

00:38:29.768 --> 00:38:30.849
Going broke by saving money.

00:38:30.949 --> 00:38:31.590
The story of my life.

00:38:31.769 --> 00:38:31.951
Yeah,

00:38:31.971 --> 00:38:33.032
I just got to take this and divide it

00:38:33.072 --> 00:38:33.652
by a million.

00:38:33.672 --> 00:38:36.974
And I'm totally fine.

00:38:37.054 --> 00:38:37.494
No problem.

00:38:37.996 --> 00:38:38.615
It's totally fine.

00:38:39.717 --> 00:38:41.117
If I'm near a cafe,

00:38:41.197 --> 00:38:42.559
I'm having two lattes a day

00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:43.340
from that cafe.

00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:44.201
I know.

00:38:44.420 --> 00:38:45.161
In Australia now,

00:38:45.202 --> 00:38:48.103
that's probably $13 a day on coffee.

00:38:48.443 --> 00:38:49.005
That's more than the

00:38:49.045 --> 00:38:51.527
electricity in the house.

00:38:51.547 --> 00:38:51.606
Wow.

00:38:52.427 --> 00:38:52.768
Yeah.

00:38:52.847 --> 00:38:54.768
I mean, they're Kangabucks.

00:38:55.650 --> 00:38:56.351
It's a lot cheaper than

00:38:56.391 --> 00:38:57.891
having two coffees a day in America,

00:38:57.931 --> 00:38:58.331
by the way.

00:38:58.753 --> 00:39:00.693
Those things are $6 US over there,

00:39:01.355 --> 00:39:04.737
which is like $9.50 Australian.

00:39:04.856 --> 00:39:05.418
It is fantastic.

00:39:05.737 --> 00:39:07.659
fucking ridiculous over there.

00:39:07.778 --> 00:39:08.338
Plus a tip.

00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:13.240
My barber... Here's a funny story.

00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:15.842
Having been in the States recently,

00:39:15.862 --> 00:39:17.601
I fucking hate the tipping over there.

00:39:17.641 --> 00:39:19.463
It just drives me bananas.

00:39:19.963 --> 00:39:21.684
Especially because as a foreigner,

00:39:21.764 --> 00:39:23.603
I don't know what the

00:39:23.643 --> 00:39:25.804
status quo is with various situations.

00:39:25.824 --> 00:39:27.726
I understand that...

00:39:31.226 --> 00:39:33.068
service people get paid a

00:39:33.128 --> 00:39:34.407
dismal wage over there and

00:39:34.427 --> 00:39:36.708
they need tips to survive I

00:39:36.768 --> 00:39:38.548
don't understand how the

00:39:38.608 --> 00:39:40.070
fucking prices are so high

00:39:40.309 --> 00:39:41.190
and those people can't

00:39:41.230 --> 00:39:42.230
afford to pay their

00:39:42.269 --> 00:39:43.831
employees properly that's

00:39:43.871 --> 00:39:46.510
another story so I don't

00:39:46.550 --> 00:39:48.231
mind giving a tip to like a

00:39:48.271 --> 00:39:50.371
waiter or someone who's

00:39:50.431 --> 00:39:51.693
like provided me some

00:39:52.233 --> 00:39:54.954
service right yeah but when

00:39:54.994 --> 00:39:56.014
I walk into like

00:39:57.728 --> 00:40:00.708
fucking supermarket or or

00:40:01.148 --> 00:40:02.849
just like you know a fast

00:40:02.869 --> 00:40:03.929
food joint or something

00:40:03.989 --> 00:40:05.311
like that where the person

00:40:05.391 --> 00:40:06.510
literally just takes my

00:40:06.610 --> 00:40:07.411
order and puts it in the

00:40:07.431 --> 00:40:09.911
machine I don't understand

00:40:09.931 --> 00:40:10.751
the tipping there

00:40:10.831 --> 00:40:11.992
especially the supermarket

00:40:12.052 --> 00:40:15.313
like actually here's an

00:40:15.333 --> 00:40:19.275
example the duty free at

00:40:19.335 --> 00:40:22.036
the uh at the duty free

00:40:23.561 --> 00:40:24.762
it comes up on the machine

00:40:24.842 --> 00:40:26.184
like and you know the base

00:40:26.704 --> 00:40:27.965
the base model of that tip

00:40:28.025 --> 00:40:29.387
is like 20 percent and

00:40:29.407 --> 00:40:31.608
you're like kind of fucking

00:40:31.628 --> 00:40:33.090
negates the whole point of

00:40:33.130 --> 00:40:34.431
doing duty free and I'm

00:40:34.471 --> 00:40:36.253
like I just opted out of

00:40:36.293 --> 00:40:37.134
duty free because I didn't

00:40:37.153 --> 00:40:38.974
want the the awkward

00:40:39.034 --> 00:40:40.295
situation when I get to the

00:40:40.335 --> 00:40:41.317
thing and they're like tip

00:40:41.336 --> 00:40:42.978
and I'm like fuck you I'm

00:40:43.018 --> 00:40:47.643
leaving the country um but anyway so

00:40:49.318 --> 00:40:50.697
I went to the barber the other day.

00:40:50.717 --> 00:40:52.278
I wasn't massively impressed

00:40:52.438 --> 00:40:52.918
with the chop.

00:40:52.958 --> 00:40:53.358
But anyway,

00:40:53.878 --> 00:40:55.940
trying to find a new barber up here now.

00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:00.481
And anyway, cut everything.

00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:01.121
I mean,

00:41:01.181 --> 00:41:05.001
it was probably standard too

00:41:05.061 --> 00:41:07.001
expensive for a haircut for

00:41:07.021 --> 00:41:08.121
a guy in Australia.

00:41:10.123 --> 00:41:13.043
And then when we're at the

00:41:13.063 --> 00:41:15.844
pay thing at the end, he's like,

00:41:17.117 --> 00:41:17.717
does the thing on the

00:41:17.757 --> 00:41:19.338
computer and then you've got the,

00:41:19.438 --> 00:41:20.259
the pay screen.

00:41:20.278 --> 00:41:21.059
And I'm like,

00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:23.342
I don't read anything on those screens.

00:41:23.382 --> 00:41:25.163
I just like wave my phone around it,

00:41:25.262 --> 00:41:26.443
hoping that it'll make a

00:41:26.483 --> 00:41:27.304
beep and I can leave.

00:41:27.324 --> 00:41:28.826
And, um, and yeah,

00:41:32.385 --> 00:41:33.786
He's like, oh, no, you need to choose.

00:41:33.826 --> 00:41:34.726
And I looked down and it's

00:41:34.766 --> 00:41:36.947
got that fucking tip screen.

00:41:37.126 --> 00:41:37.887
Fuck you, Square,

00:41:37.907 --> 00:41:39.347
for bringing that shit to Australia.

00:41:39.367 --> 00:41:41.588
And he's like, oh, no, you need to select.

00:41:42.068 --> 00:41:43.088
And I said, fuck, man,

00:41:43.108 --> 00:41:44.289
we don't do tips in Australia.

00:41:44.309 --> 00:41:45.909
He's like, bang, fuck you.

00:41:46.730 --> 00:41:47.489
That's it.

00:41:47.811 --> 00:41:48.751
They're trying to shoehorn

00:41:48.791 --> 00:41:49.971
that shit in here now.

00:41:50.371 --> 00:41:52.271
And I'm not having it because everyone...

00:41:53.532 --> 00:41:54.992
This guy's telling me about

00:41:55.032 --> 00:41:57.934
his AMG Mercedes and shit, and I'm like,

00:41:59.394 --> 00:42:00.675
you don't need my tips, dude.

00:42:00.715 --> 00:42:02.496
This is not the situation for that.

00:42:02.695 --> 00:42:03.655
You're already charging good

00:42:03.695 --> 00:42:04.856
money for your fucking haircuts,

00:42:04.896 --> 00:42:05.817
and you own this business.

00:42:05.836 --> 00:42:07.518
I don't like that culture anymore.

00:42:13.188 --> 00:42:13.929
It is everywhere though.

00:42:13.949 --> 00:42:14.369
I mean, we have it,

00:42:14.510 --> 00:42:15.610
we have it even like if you

00:42:15.650 --> 00:42:16.612
go pick up food somewhere,

00:42:16.652 --> 00:42:17.251
there's a tip thing.

00:42:17.271 --> 00:42:19.393
You're like, I, yeah, you know,

00:42:19.813 --> 00:42:21.114
like it's everywhere.

00:42:21.335 --> 00:42:22.335
It is everywhere.

00:42:22.456 --> 00:42:22.735
I forget.

00:42:23.817 --> 00:42:24.617
Not at a gas station.

00:42:24.637 --> 00:42:25.438
It was someplace else.

00:42:25.518 --> 00:42:26.438
Like, oh, there's a tip thing.

00:42:26.818 --> 00:42:27.759
It was like a liquor store.

00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:28.739
I bought like a,

00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:29.981
I bought like a 12 and

00:42:30.001 --> 00:42:30.882
there was a tip thing on there.

00:42:31.001 --> 00:42:31.442
I'm like, dude,

00:42:32.603 --> 00:42:33.943
like your story just walked in.

00:42:35.255 --> 00:42:36.476
Like, I'm not a tight ass,

00:42:36.677 --> 00:42:37.396
but things are getting

00:42:37.436 --> 00:42:38.657
ridiculously expensive.

00:42:39.179 --> 00:42:42.400
And to, like, especially in America, man,

00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:44.282
like, in the last 10 years,

00:42:45.021 --> 00:42:46.222
the fucking prices of

00:42:46.262 --> 00:42:49.045
things over there has gone mental.

00:42:49.264 --> 00:42:51.045
And you guys obviously are

00:42:51.405 --> 00:42:52.507
well aware of it living there.

00:42:52.927 --> 00:42:55.168
But it used to be cheap for

00:42:55.188 --> 00:42:57.409
me as an Australian to go to America.

00:42:57.570 --> 00:43:00.672
And now it is astronomically expensive.

00:43:00.853 --> 00:43:01.092
Like...

00:43:02.492 --> 00:43:02.992
you know, I,

00:43:03.273 --> 00:43:04.693
I have to think twice about going there,

00:43:04.954 --> 00:43:06.036
you know, the year before last,

00:43:06.115 --> 00:43:07.137
I was there for four weeks

00:43:07.998 --> 00:43:09.760
and I couldn't wait to get out of there.

00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:11.001
Like I couldn't wait to leave.

00:43:13.043 --> 00:43:13.384
Is that really?

00:43:13.403 --> 00:43:15.666
I'm like, just, well,

00:43:15.706 --> 00:43:17.307
just existing over there is

00:43:17.387 --> 00:43:19.750
like being stabbed many times a day.

00:43:19.769 --> 00:43:20.891
So yeah.

00:43:20.972 --> 00:43:21.132
Yeah.

00:43:24.032 --> 00:43:26.034
And then I get back to

00:43:26.074 --> 00:43:27.994
Australia and I pay $6.50

00:43:27.994 --> 00:43:29.255
for my coffee and I'm like,

00:43:29.436 --> 00:43:33.597
thank God that this is only $6.50.

00:43:33.597 --> 00:43:34.197
Fucking hell, man.

00:43:34.757 --> 00:43:35.599
A couple of years ago,

00:43:35.619 --> 00:43:38.139
a coffee in Australia was $4.50,

00:43:38.139 --> 00:43:39.039
just a couple of years ago.

00:43:39.059 --> 00:43:41.501
And it's gone up about 50%, I'd say,

00:43:41.601 --> 00:43:42.621
across the board mostly.

00:43:45.242 --> 00:43:46.184
And I mean,

00:43:46.224 --> 00:43:47.083
some people are starting to

00:43:47.103 --> 00:43:48.103
bring prices down.

00:43:48.184 --> 00:43:49.844
I think a guy in Melbourne

00:43:49.864 --> 00:43:51.206
near where we used to live was just,

00:43:51.485 --> 00:43:52.706
as I was leaving, because...

00:43:54.264 --> 00:43:54.463
You know,

00:43:54.503 --> 00:43:55.746
I think people were just like

00:43:55.786 --> 00:43:57.148
stopping going and getting coffees.

00:43:57.367 --> 00:43:59.030
He brought it down to like 450 again.

00:44:00.751 --> 00:44:02.494
It's good because the wages in the U.S.

00:44:02.514 --> 00:44:03.275
have completely,

00:44:03.414 --> 00:44:04.597
totally stayed in line with

00:44:04.637 --> 00:44:05.637
those price increases.

00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:07.239
So everything's fine.

00:44:08.141 --> 00:44:08.782
There's no problem.

00:44:09.579 --> 00:44:11.780
the wage increases so yeah

00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:13.581
well but I guess maybe that

00:44:13.981 --> 00:44:16.322
is also dependent is this

00:44:16.702 --> 00:44:18.103
satire are you saying yes

00:44:18.123 --> 00:44:19.224
that was satire that was

00:44:19.264 --> 00:44:20.423
sat there yeah okay I was

00:44:20.443 --> 00:44:21.304
gonna say because wage

00:44:21.344 --> 00:44:22.284
growth wage growth in the

00:44:22.344 --> 00:44:23.385
u.s has lagged

00:44:23.565 --> 00:44:25.246
significantly significantly

00:44:25.266 --> 00:44:26.106
significantly against

00:44:26.347 --> 00:44:27.947
against not just forget

00:44:27.967 --> 00:44:29.268
inflation like an inflation

00:44:29.688 --> 00:44:30.887
related thing just overall

00:44:30.927 --> 00:44:32.349
price increases even before covet

00:44:33.625 --> 00:44:36.525
I would say that's pretty similar here.

00:44:37.867 --> 00:44:39.126
I saw it happening and I

00:44:39.166 --> 00:44:40.088
predicted it happening

00:44:40.168 --> 00:44:42.628
during the pandemic.

00:44:42.728 --> 00:44:44.068
I was still out working.

00:44:44.429 --> 00:44:45.889
I could see these consumer

00:44:45.909 --> 00:44:48.990
prices increasing on things.

00:44:50.112 --> 00:44:52.193
I think a lot of the

00:44:52.253 --> 00:44:54.293
inflation that we had was

00:44:55.034 --> 00:44:58.494
preemptive price increases with the

00:45:04.835 --> 00:45:07.391
like assumption of,

00:45:09.476 --> 00:45:11.677
inflation from business

00:45:11.757 --> 00:45:13.938
owners right so it was like

00:45:14.980 --> 00:45:15.920
you know the chicken and

00:45:15.940 --> 00:45:18.581
the egg and I think that

00:45:19.402 --> 00:45:22.123
pre-empting uh increases

00:45:22.523 --> 00:45:24.503
increased everything um

00:45:24.784 --> 00:45:26.105
from a supply like all the

00:45:26.264 --> 00:45:26.905
all the way through the

00:45:26.945 --> 00:45:28.846
supply chain people and you

00:45:28.865 --> 00:45:29.985
know all it really was was

00:45:30.226 --> 00:45:32.027
the businesses were for a

00:45:32.086 --> 00:45:33.407
time just profiteering on

00:45:33.447 --> 00:45:35.668
the assumption of of um

00:45:37.273 --> 00:45:39.373
of inflation and just making

00:45:39.474 --> 00:45:41.494
fatter margins and no one

00:45:41.514 --> 00:45:43.315
was paying their employees anymore.

00:45:43.396 --> 00:45:44.356
They still, you know,

00:45:44.896 --> 00:45:47.478
they're still just doing CPI around here,

00:45:47.498 --> 00:45:49.057
which is like consumer price index,

00:45:49.077 --> 00:45:51.179
just whatever CPI is maybe

00:45:51.219 --> 00:45:52.019
minus a little bit.

00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:53.460
And, you know,

00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:54.460
the cost of living has gone

00:45:54.481 --> 00:45:57.362
up 40% while wages have gone up like

00:45:58.543 --> 00:45:59.204
Fucking 5%.

00:46:00.045 --> 00:46:01.945
So, yeah,

00:46:02.166 --> 00:46:03.286
I think there's still a lot of

00:46:03.347 --> 00:46:05.768
profiteering on the

00:46:06.028 --> 00:46:07.750
illusion of inflation around the place,

00:46:08.570 --> 00:46:09.231
if that makes sense.

00:46:09.271 --> 00:46:10.351
Well, yeah,

00:46:10.371 --> 00:46:11.452
there have been studies coming out,

00:46:11.472 --> 00:46:12.634
US side anyway,

00:46:12.693 --> 00:46:14.534
where much of the inflation

00:46:14.635 --> 00:46:16.235
is from basically corporate greed,

00:46:16.295 --> 00:46:17.556
them increasing prices just

00:46:17.577 --> 00:46:18.458
to increase prices.

00:46:19.797 --> 00:46:22.318
Well, because they've got an excuse to.

00:46:22.579 --> 00:46:24.340
They increase prices because

00:46:25.340 --> 00:46:26.581
people think that prices

00:46:26.641 --> 00:46:27.440
are going to increase

00:46:27.521 --> 00:46:30.161
because of popular media.

00:46:31.382 --> 00:46:34.083
And so they use that as the

00:46:34.164 --> 00:46:36.144
excuse to raise the prices and then just,

00:46:36.264 --> 00:46:36.724
as you say,

00:46:36.784 --> 00:46:38.664
make fatter margins and profiteer off it.

00:46:38.684 --> 00:46:39.806
Yeah.

00:46:43.032 --> 00:46:44.652
But that all catches up with itself,

00:46:44.833 --> 00:46:45.932
and then eventually the

00:46:45.972 --> 00:46:47.012
whole supply chain is more

00:46:47.052 --> 00:46:52.856
expensive because they raised prices.

00:46:52.876 --> 00:46:55.036
You can see the petrol

00:46:55.077 --> 00:46:56.257
industry is becoming more

00:46:56.317 --> 00:46:56.998
competitive again,

00:46:57.038 --> 00:46:58.677
and those prices are

00:46:58.717 --> 00:46:59.539
starting to come down,

00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:01.719
especially for things like

00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.621
diesel around Australia,

00:47:03.661 --> 00:47:05.280
which is the lifeblood of Australia.

00:47:05.380 --> 00:47:06.442
All the trucks run on diesel.

00:47:08.045 --> 00:47:09.726
you can see those starting

00:47:09.746 --> 00:47:10.907
to come back down again,

00:47:11.288 --> 00:47:13.269
which is a pretty good lead

00:47:13.309 --> 00:47:14.891
indicator of where things are.

00:47:15.391 --> 00:47:16.932
If diesel prices are coming down,

00:47:17.233 --> 00:47:18.855
then the economy is struggling.

00:47:20.715 --> 00:47:20.876
Right.

00:47:21.737 --> 00:47:22.639
Yeah, in the US,

00:47:22.659 --> 00:47:24.239
so we always watch this

00:47:24.278 --> 00:47:25.460
social security cost of

00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:26.000
living adjustment.

00:47:26.019 --> 00:47:26.860
They used to call it the COLA,

00:47:26.981 --> 00:47:27.981
which we used to do back in the day.

00:47:28.021 --> 00:47:29.121
So we'd always look at COLA

00:47:29.222 --> 00:47:30.563
every year and then use

00:47:30.583 --> 00:47:31.322
that as a baseline.

00:47:31.362 --> 00:47:33.885
So back in, I don't know, whatever,

00:47:33.905 --> 00:47:35.686
pick 2001, COLA was 2.6%.

00:47:35.686 --> 00:47:38.807
Then you would say, okay, so base 2.6%,

00:47:38.807 --> 00:47:40.409
meaning everybody's wages on average

00:47:41.614 --> 00:47:43.315
it has to increase 2.6% just

00:47:43.355 --> 00:47:44.036
to break even.

00:47:44.436 --> 00:47:44.596
Right.

00:47:45.597 --> 00:47:46.697
Meaning like that's a cost

00:47:46.717 --> 00:47:47.378
of living adjustment.

00:47:47.458 --> 00:47:47.617
Right.

00:47:48.038 --> 00:47:49.259
So this is a national level

00:47:49.318 --> 00:47:50.579
and they have it at each state.

00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:51.179
So he's doing it by

00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:52.101
employees or this or that.

00:47:52.121 --> 00:47:53.922
And they do like some grandiose numbers,

00:47:53.922 --> 00:47:54.470
2020, 1.3%, 2021, 5.9%, 2022, 8.7%,

00:47:54.470 --> 00:47:55.001
8.7% COLA is the largest

00:47:55.021 --> 00:47:55.603
increase in cost of living

00:47:55.623 --> 00:47:56.483
adjustment last year or two years ago.

00:47:56.503 --> 00:47:57.184
Now, since 1981,

00:48:11.021 --> 00:48:11.621
which would have been like

00:48:11.940 --> 00:48:13.822
fucking credit and loan issue here.

00:48:14.382 --> 00:48:15.181
And then 2023 is 3.2.

00:48:15.722 --> 00:48:17.103
And I think this year,

00:48:17.123 --> 00:48:17.943
who knows what it's going

00:48:17.963 --> 00:48:18.443
to be this year.

00:48:18.483 --> 00:48:20.563
So over the last three years,

00:48:20.603 --> 00:48:23.405
that's 6% plus 8.7 plus three.

00:48:24.344 --> 00:48:25.945
So what is that?

00:48:25.965 --> 00:48:25.945
18%.

00:48:27.126 --> 00:48:28.606
So that means over three years,

00:48:28.666 --> 00:48:31.226
you have an 18% cost of living increase.

00:48:31.547 --> 00:48:34.148
There's no fucking way that the average,

00:48:34.327 --> 00:48:35.027
there's an average of 6%

00:48:35.027 --> 00:48:38.048
salary increase across all like across.

00:48:38.268 --> 00:48:40.389
Well, it's not even, it's even worse.

00:48:41.485 --> 00:48:42.605
It's even worse if you take

00:48:42.644 --> 00:48:43.204
into account the

00:48:43.244 --> 00:48:44.405
compounding effect of that.

00:48:45.085 --> 00:48:45.806
Yeah, exactly.

00:48:45.985 --> 00:48:46.505
That's a good point.

00:48:46.525 --> 00:48:46.806
You're right.

00:48:46.826 --> 00:48:48.286
Cause good point.

00:48:48.387 --> 00:48:51.047
So, so, so right.

00:48:51.146 --> 00:48:53.668
So 5.9% plus another 8.7 out of that.

00:48:53.708 --> 00:48:54.768
So it's probably over 20.

00:48:54.987 --> 00:48:56.268
It'd be over 20.

00:48:56.708 --> 00:48:56.969
Yeah.

00:48:57.028 --> 00:48:57.289
Easily.

00:48:57.528 --> 00:48:57.869
Yeah.

00:48:57.929 --> 00:48:59.489
So that means that the cost

00:48:59.528 --> 00:49:02.510
of living adjustment is let's say,

00:49:02.550 --> 00:49:04.250
let's round and say 22 and

00:49:04.269 --> 00:49:05.130
a half or 22% over three years is

00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:08.639
there's no way everybody's

00:49:08.659 --> 00:49:10.161
salary is up 22% over three years.

00:49:11.041 --> 00:49:11.780
I would assume that most

00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:13.161
salaries here in the US,

00:49:13.181 --> 00:49:13.842
I could probably look it up,

00:49:13.862 --> 00:49:15.123
but I'm guessing usually

00:49:15.143 --> 00:49:15.923
it's somewhere between like

00:49:17.233 --> 00:49:20.155
I would say five to 6% a year, maybe,

00:49:20.335 --> 00:49:21.396
but typically you would

00:49:21.416 --> 00:49:23.137
have somewhere like in retail,

00:49:23.157 --> 00:49:24.199
I'm sure it's zero.

00:49:25.139 --> 00:49:27.041
Um, and like in corporate jobs,

00:49:27.101 --> 00:49:28.663
maybe four would be typical

00:49:28.802 --> 00:49:30.204
up to five maybe.

00:49:30.465 --> 00:49:31.706
And even if it's even in

00:49:31.806 --> 00:49:32.967
some down years and revenue

00:49:32.987 --> 00:49:33.507
would be zero.

00:49:33.686 --> 00:49:33.847
Right.

00:49:34.668 --> 00:49:36.148
So it's just, uh,

00:49:36.409 --> 00:49:37.811
it's a really rough and

00:49:37.831 --> 00:49:39.652
cost of living is a, it's a real deal,

00:49:39.693 --> 00:49:39.853
right?

00:49:39.893 --> 00:49:40.713
Like there's no, there's no,

00:49:41.630 --> 00:49:42.650
things are more expensive.

00:49:42.730 --> 00:49:44.751
So, and the other thing that really hurts,

00:49:44.851 --> 00:49:46.490
like we do look at a lot,

00:49:46.512 --> 00:49:47.192
which is like just,

00:49:47.791 --> 00:49:49.012
just how much buying power

00:49:49.032 --> 00:49:50.652
that we'll have as you get

00:49:50.672 --> 00:49:51.393
towards retirement and you

00:49:51.413 --> 00:49:52.592
want to get rid of, you know,

00:49:53.213 --> 00:49:55.114
you want to try to extend

00:49:55.153 --> 00:49:56.275
cash out where you're not,

00:49:56.295 --> 00:49:57.235
where the incoming revenue

00:49:57.255 --> 00:49:59.516
is not as high and all that kind of stuff,

00:49:59.536 --> 00:50:00.815
which, which freaks you out.

00:50:00.856 --> 00:50:01.016
Right.

00:50:01.056 --> 00:50:01.715
Cause you, you know,

00:50:01.735 --> 00:50:03.036
you make X dollars and that

00:50:03.056 --> 00:50:04.297
thing's down 20% because

00:50:04.317 --> 00:50:04.916
you've done nothing.

00:50:05.597 --> 00:50:05.737
Right.

00:50:09.259 --> 00:50:10.478
Fluctuations in,

00:50:12.847 --> 00:50:18.612
I'll tell you something that

00:50:19.012 --> 00:50:20.512
I think is true.

00:50:21.313 --> 00:50:28.597
If the interest environment doesn't change,

00:50:29.179 --> 00:50:30.760
the rich have no catalyst

00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.521
to get richer because it's

00:50:33.782 --> 00:50:35.422
people with money who benefit from

00:50:36.027 --> 00:50:38.389
when the interest rates go

00:50:38.489 --> 00:50:40.110
up and it's people with

00:50:40.170 --> 00:50:41.431
money who benefit when the

00:50:41.471 --> 00:50:42.431
interest rates go down

00:50:43.693 --> 00:50:46.795
right exactly so and and in

00:50:46.875 --> 00:50:50.297
both cases people who are

00:50:50.358 --> 00:50:53.559
leveraged get fucked in in both cases so

00:50:54.690 --> 00:50:57.653
Like there is scope for, you know,

00:50:57.673 --> 00:50:59.096
the average Joe to get

00:50:59.135 --> 00:51:02.039
ahead a bit when interest rates go down.

00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:04.581
And basically,

00:51:04.623 --> 00:51:05.724
like if you own a property

00:51:06.043 --> 00:51:07.786
or some sort of capital asset,

00:51:07.987 --> 00:51:09.088
when interest rates go down,

00:51:09.148 --> 00:51:10.429
you're winning, right?

00:51:10.889 --> 00:51:11.150
Because...

00:51:11.826 --> 00:51:14.128
the way the capital prices

00:51:14.148 --> 00:51:15.309
of things are calculated is

00:51:15.349 --> 00:51:17.532
based on return and returns

00:51:17.552 --> 00:51:20.114
stay the same and the

00:51:20.175 --> 00:51:21.536
interest rates go down.

00:51:22.257 --> 00:51:23.699
And so, you know,

00:51:23.739 --> 00:51:24.639
it's calculated off the

00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:26.302
base rate plus a margin for risk.

00:51:27.202 --> 00:51:30.286
And then basically, you know,

00:51:30.306 --> 00:51:32.288
the way the formula is, it just,

00:51:32.648 --> 00:51:33.469
that's the way it works.

00:51:34.210 --> 00:51:35.570
interest go down capital

00:51:35.590 --> 00:51:37.592
price go up because the

00:51:37.612 --> 00:51:40.215
return is the same right so

00:51:40.896 --> 00:51:42.077
so then the people who own

00:51:42.117 --> 00:51:43.538
property win right who owns

00:51:43.557 --> 00:51:44.679
the most property rich

00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:45.440
people that's where they

00:51:45.460 --> 00:51:47.342
put their money um

00:51:49.358 --> 00:51:50.458
And then that just, you know,

00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:51.259
everything gets out of

00:51:51.298 --> 00:51:52.300
reach for anyone who

00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:53.159
doesn't own something.

00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:54.300
And then you're stuck in

00:51:54.340 --> 00:51:55.561
this rental market.

00:51:55.621 --> 00:51:57.802
The rental prices go up, right?

00:51:57.902 --> 00:51:59.224
Because you're stuck in there.

00:51:59.244 --> 00:51:59.943
You have to pay rent.

00:51:59.983 --> 00:52:02.525
There's an increased market

00:52:02.585 --> 00:52:04.306
for the rental market.

00:52:04.987 --> 00:52:06.068
And then, you know,

00:52:06.108 --> 00:52:07.009
that increased market

00:52:07.048 --> 00:52:08.349
pushes rental prices up.

00:52:09.170 --> 00:52:11.971
And then the revenues increase then,

00:52:12.251 --> 00:52:14.472
which further pushes up capital prices.

00:52:15.634 --> 00:52:17.815
But then when the market turns around...

00:52:19.358 --> 00:52:22.938
and the interest rates go up,

00:52:23.958 --> 00:52:25.760
then the people with money

00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.719
win because they get return

00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.541
on their cash assets.

00:52:31.221 --> 00:52:33.802
And then when things are inflating,

00:52:34.561 --> 00:52:35.981
their property prices still

00:52:36.021 --> 00:52:37.262
go up because it's

00:52:37.362 --> 00:52:38.762
inflation that now drives

00:52:38.802 --> 00:52:42.003
it instead of lower interest.

00:52:43.003 --> 00:52:44.585
And because things are inflating,

00:52:44.605 --> 00:52:46.565
you've got excuses to raise

00:52:46.644 --> 00:52:47.646
rents and this type of stuff,

00:52:47.706 --> 00:52:48.746
which raises revenue,

00:52:48.786 --> 00:52:49.925
which keeps the capital

00:52:49.945 --> 00:52:52.487
prices in step with inflation then.

00:52:53.146 --> 00:52:55.509
So then, you know, for people with debts,

00:52:57.210 --> 00:52:58.250
there's like an old saying

00:52:58.269 --> 00:52:59.690
that's inflate your way out of debt,

00:53:00.391 --> 00:53:03.472
which countries do raise

00:53:03.512 --> 00:53:05.574
inflation to make the debt

00:53:05.614 --> 00:53:10.458
burden smaller on a per household basis.

00:53:11.838 --> 00:53:12.518
And then, you know,

00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:14.059
it cycles down again and

00:53:14.099 --> 00:53:15.860
then everyone just keeps getting fucked.

00:53:17.934 --> 00:53:20.635
exactly that part always

00:53:20.655 --> 00:53:23.836
happens yeah yeah so I

00:53:24.597 --> 00:53:25.418
don't know it just seems

00:53:25.478 --> 00:53:26.639
like a death spiral of poor

00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.360
people getting poorer um

00:53:30.460 --> 00:53:33.483
that sounds right yeah

00:53:34.143 --> 00:53:35.304
sorry to be a debbie downer

00:53:35.344 --> 00:53:37.025
on a yeah what else you got

00:53:37.045 --> 00:53:38.985
yeah what else you got yeah

00:53:39.266 --> 00:53:40.367
yeah well get into some

00:53:40.407 --> 00:53:41.487
news I need to go burn

00:53:41.507 --> 00:53:42.568
myself up a coffee real

00:53:42.608 --> 00:53:43.628
quick and check my messages

00:53:43.648 --> 00:53:44.789
to see if my taxi box is on

00:53:44.849 --> 00:53:46.130
its way fuck you

00:53:49.411 --> 00:53:50.411
Taxi box?

00:53:51.092 --> 00:53:51.552
Who knows?

00:53:52.233 --> 00:53:52.893
What an asshole.

00:53:53.715 --> 00:53:54.014
Hold on.

00:53:54.476 --> 00:53:55.257
Let me get some news going.

00:53:56.297 --> 00:53:58.119
There is actually some

00:53:58.159 --> 00:53:58.840
exciting news in here.

00:54:00.501 --> 00:54:00.722
Sorry,

00:54:00.742 --> 00:54:01.822
I got distracted because I was

00:54:01.842 --> 00:54:02.824
looking at Neutron.

00:54:02.844 --> 00:54:03.885
So Neutron is moving.

00:54:04.125 --> 00:54:04.324
Sorry,

00:54:04.365 --> 00:54:05.827
there was a halt while we were on

00:54:05.867 --> 00:54:06.347
this call.

00:54:07.648 --> 00:54:08.710
And it is moving.

00:54:09.971 --> 00:54:10.170
But...

00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:12.619
I really enjoy the message

00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:14.559
from that guy that's like, you know,

00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:16.119
I'm just going to quote it

00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:18.079
because I think it's pretty good.

00:54:19.101 --> 00:54:20.860
Guys, I have an idea.

00:54:21.501 --> 00:54:22.840
How about we work together

00:54:22.860 --> 00:54:24.981
on offboarding Neutron from

00:54:25.021 --> 00:54:25.862
Interchain Security?

00:54:26.581 --> 00:54:27.722
All this upgrade is super

00:54:27.762 --> 00:54:29.163
risky for Cosmos validators.

00:54:29.563 --> 00:54:31.182
I don't understand why we

00:54:31.202 --> 00:54:33.204
should support protocols like that.

00:54:33.903 --> 00:54:35.384
It is our Cosmos validators

00:54:35.403 --> 00:54:37.003
that can get slashed with these shady,

00:54:37.505 --> 00:54:39.224
untested software upgrades.

00:54:39.664 --> 00:54:40.144
Plus,

00:54:40.565 --> 00:54:42.445
the requirements are getting very

00:54:42.525 --> 00:54:44.286
high on the Infra side for

00:54:44.306 --> 00:54:45.525
a network that pays nothing

00:54:45.585 --> 00:54:48.047
to both stakers and validators.

00:54:48.427 --> 00:54:48.646
Well,

00:54:50.967 --> 00:54:52.327
tell me you only validate the hub

00:54:52.347 --> 00:54:53.128
without telling me that you

00:54:53.168 --> 00:54:54.068
only validate the hub.

00:54:55.548 --> 00:54:56.048
Yeah, right?

00:54:56.088 --> 00:54:58.268
Like he comes in, he's got his little,

00:54:58.309 --> 00:55:00.210
like, leave icon on there.

00:55:00.230 --> 00:55:02.369
Yeah, exactly.

00:55:02.889 --> 00:55:04.289
This chain's not paying us anything.

00:55:04.429 --> 00:55:04.791
Oh, really?

00:55:04.971 --> 00:55:05.291
Yeah.

00:55:05.431 --> 00:55:06.371
Is that what's going on?

00:55:06.411 --> 00:55:06.570
Yeah.

00:55:09.096 --> 00:55:10.637
Somehow this, I just look guys,

00:55:10.657 --> 00:55:12.960
this chain is not at six, $8.

00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:13.900
It's only at like, you know,

00:55:14.681 --> 00:55:16.503
oh my goodness.

00:55:16.563 --> 00:55:18.425
Devs need to do something.

00:55:19.887 --> 00:55:21.429
Let's kick it out.

00:55:21.449 --> 00:55:25.172
Yeah, it does look like, so it is moving,

00:55:25.213 --> 00:55:28.817
but it's like really slowly moving.

00:55:28.836 --> 00:55:29.958
It looks like it's moving.

00:55:30.157 --> 00:55:31.059
It's moving quite slow.

00:55:31.278 --> 00:55:31.519
Yeah.

00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:33.480
And then, I don't know,

00:55:33.619 --> 00:55:35.360
neutron feels like not that

00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:36.762
big of a deal whenever, uh,

00:55:37.762 --> 00:55:38.842
at most is on the horizon.

00:55:39.382 --> 00:55:41.623
The fact that at most is going ICS.

00:55:42.423 --> 00:55:42.563
Right.

00:55:42.603 --> 00:55:43.603
You know, part of me is ready for,

00:55:43.643 --> 00:55:44.204
and part of me is not,

00:55:44.224 --> 00:55:45.005
cause it's going to partial

00:55:45.025 --> 00:55:46.885
set security and I'm gonna be like,

00:55:47.525 --> 00:55:48.545
not part of that set.

00:55:49.166 --> 00:55:49.547
I'm out.

00:55:50.606 --> 00:55:50.766
Um,

00:55:51.507 --> 00:55:52.887
cause right now the smallest snapshot I

00:55:52.907 --> 00:55:53.927
can get for at most is like

00:55:53.927 --> 00:55:54.329
500 gigabytes.

00:55:55.804 --> 00:56:00.146
I know let's never solve the

00:56:00.166 --> 00:56:01.186
state sync problem let's

00:56:01.206 --> 00:56:03.648
just ignore it until it's

00:56:03.668 --> 00:56:05.007
like it's never going to

00:56:05.047 --> 00:56:06.288
happen never going to solve

00:56:06.307 --> 00:56:08.528
that problem just huge just

00:56:08.548 --> 00:56:09.369
getting bigger and larger

00:56:09.548 --> 00:56:10.190
larger and larger and

00:56:10.210 --> 00:56:12.489
larger yeah I thought

00:56:12.530 --> 00:56:13.690
secret was bad secret takes

00:56:13.731 --> 00:56:15.510
like two hours to say sync

00:56:15.951 --> 00:56:17.052
but it comes out to be like

00:56:17.052 --> 00:56:19.132
13 gigabytes so it's like

00:56:20.032 --> 00:56:21.813
yeah no it's not bad at all

00:56:22.634 --> 00:56:23.614
it just takes long to get through it

00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:25.199
Well, Neutron nodes are running.

00:56:25.219 --> 00:56:26.000
They're not complaining.

00:56:26.539 --> 00:56:27.400
I have one that has some

00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:28.460
tracing on it that's failing,

00:56:28.481 --> 00:56:30.282
but that seems to be unrelated.

00:56:32.242 --> 00:56:33.623
So, well, that's interesting.

00:56:36.224 --> 00:56:37.025
All right, one piece of news.

00:56:37.045 --> 00:56:37.784
I don't know if this is news.

00:56:37.804 --> 00:56:38.746
Maybe this is from last week,

00:56:38.985 --> 00:56:39.565
since we skipped.

00:56:41.980 --> 00:56:43.101
so the there's the article

00:56:43.121 --> 00:56:43.880
from the block we're

00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:44.501
talking because we've been

00:56:44.521 --> 00:56:45.643
talking about pump.fund for

00:56:45.802 --> 00:56:47.784
a few weeks now on solana

00:56:47.923 --> 00:56:50.025
right um with uh coins and

00:56:50.045 --> 00:56:50.626
mean coins and all this

00:56:50.646 --> 00:56:52.728
kind of stuff and uh and it

00:56:52.788 --> 00:56:54.068
just pumped that funds

00:56:54.568 --> 00:56:55.989
cumulative revenue crosses

00:56:55.989 --> 00:56:58.831
50 million dollars platform

00:56:58.851 --> 00:57:01.373
has helped launch over 1.18

00:57:01.373 --> 00:57:04.496
million meme coins that's

00:57:04.516 --> 00:57:06.797
amazing uh it's a lot of

00:57:06.818 --> 00:57:08.518
based uh meme coin

00:57:08.539 --> 00:57:09.458
launchpad pump that funds

00:57:09.739 --> 00:57:11.541
cumulative revenue has crossed 50 million

00:57:13.530 --> 00:57:14.632
According to DeFi Llama,

00:57:14.672 --> 00:57:15.913
in the past 24 hours,

00:57:15.972 --> 00:57:17.713
the platform generated over

00:57:17.713 --> 00:57:19.596
$600,000 in revenue.

00:57:19.596 --> 00:57:22.277
$600,000 in the last 24

00:57:22.277 --> 00:57:24.018
hours when this was written last week.

00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:28.041
That's pretty impressive.

00:57:28.061 --> 00:57:28.342
Yeah.

00:57:28.342 --> 00:57:30.164
1.18 million meme coins have

00:57:30.463 --> 00:57:31.085
been deployed.

00:57:32.706 --> 00:57:33.967
That's a lot of state bloat,

00:57:34.007 --> 00:57:34.688
let me tell you.

00:57:34.708 --> 00:57:37.650
I mean, honestly, how long does this last?

00:57:40.427 --> 00:57:40.706
I mean,

00:57:41.126 --> 00:57:42.128
it's been going on for like six

00:57:42.188 --> 00:57:42.628
months now.

00:57:43.028 --> 00:57:43.548
That's true.

00:57:43.768 --> 00:57:45.230
Yeah, I guess six months.

00:57:45.849 --> 00:57:49.132
So if Solana can establish

00:57:49.172 --> 00:57:52.153
itself as like the meme coin hub, one,

00:57:52.253 --> 00:57:52.773
good for them.

00:57:53.153 --> 00:57:55.014
Two, dang.

00:57:55.436 --> 00:57:56.655
And Solana,

00:57:56.775 --> 00:57:57.637
the way their validators work

00:57:57.657 --> 00:57:58.317
is a bit different from the

00:57:58.356 --> 00:57:59.777
Cosmos in that they

00:57:59.797 --> 00:58:02.300
actually get more money from fees,

00:58:02.380 --> 00:58:05.101
I understand, than through block rewards.

00:58:05.201 --> 00:58:06.481
And so they must be just

00:58:06.722 --> 00:58:07.643
raking it in right now.

00:58:08.657 --> 00:58:08.858
Right.

00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:09.759
Yeah.

00:58:09.778 --> 00:58:09.878
Yeah.

00:58:09.898 --> 00:58:10.039
Yeah.

00:58:10.179 --> 00:58:11.840
And Rama says it has no token.

00:58:11.860 --> 00:58:13.081
That's purely Solana.

00:58:13.101 --> 00:58:14.083
That's into the devs hands.

00:58:14.922 --> 00:58:15.182
Yeah.

00:58:15.403 --> 00:58:16.965
So anyway, fascinating.

00:58:17.465 --> 00:58:18.326
It's totally fascinating.

00:58:22.329 --> 00:58:22.889
Craziness.

00:58:23.230 --> 00:58:23.429
Yeah.

00:58:23.530 --> 00:58:23.771
Anyway.

00:58:24.731 --> 00:58:27.112
And is my, I know no uses pump fun.

00:58:27.132 --> 00:58:28.034
I don't know if he still does,

00:58:28.054 --> 00:58:28.695
but I know he did.

00:58:28.715 --> 00:58:29.755
He did use it.

00:58:29.775 --> 00:58:30.815
Um,

00:58:30.876 --> 00:58:31.777
and there's supposed to be one in the

00:58:31.817 --> 00:58:33.257
cosmos here shortly, isn't there?

00:58:33.358 --> 00:58:37.282
Or is there one already Rama chime in what,

00:58:37.481 --> 00:58:37.541
uh,

00:58:38.130 --> 00:58:41.771
meme climb hub for for the

00:58:41.791 --> 00:58:42.891
cosmos ecosystem yeah I

00:58:42.931 --> 00:58:44.032
think on osmosis there's a

00:58:44.072 --> 00:58:47.534
pump fund for osmosis nice

00:58:47.554 --> 00:58:55.197
uh all right one other

00:58:55.217 --> 00:58:56.498
piece let's see what else

00:58:56.518 --> 00:59:06.882
we have we can talk about polka dots uh

00:59:08.206 --> 00:59:09.947
Colca dot announces it has

00:59:10.007 --> 00:59:11.168
paid $37 million in

00:59:11.208 --> 00:59:12.007
marketing this year for a

00:59:12.068 --> 00:59:13.309
net result of absolutely

00:59:13.369 --> 00:59:15.090
fuck all less active wallets,

00:59:15.210 --> 00:59:16.070
less active users,

00:59:16.210 --> 00:59:17.552
and little to no price movement.

00:59:18.172 --> 00:59:18.913
The intern took over.

00:59:18.952 --> 00:59:19.972
The account has done a lot

00:59:19.992 --> 00:59:21.574
more for dot in the last 24 hours,

00:59:21.614 --> 00:59:23.315
an entire 37 million shit

00:59:23.335 --> 00:59:24.695
posting this whole situation.

00:59:24.775 --> 00:59:27.577
I'll put a link to their Twitter there.

00:59:27.858 --> 00:59:28.898
There is a bunch of shit

00:59:28.918 --> 00:59:29.860
posts associated to this.

00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:30.860
Um,

00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:31.920
there's some funny stuff that's over

00:59:31.940 --> 00:59:32.081
there.

00:59:32.782 --> 00:59:33.922
So yeah,

00:59:34.021 --> 00:59:35.802
I don't know when the ecosystem dies.

00:59:35.963 --> 00:59:36.563
What do you want to say?

00:59:38.704 --> 00:59:42.105
and I feel bad saying this

00:59:42.304 --> 00:59:44.284
but polka dot is really

00:59:44.344 --> 00:59:46.405
horrible to use like their

00:59:46.445 --> 00:59:50.746
wallet system is just it's

00:59:50.806 --> 00:59:53.306
brutal I've used talisman

00:59:53.367 --> 00:59:54.447
I've used sub wallet I've

00:59:54.507 --> 00:59:55.628
used their like their

00:59:55.668 --> 00:59:56.967
official polka dot.js

00:59:57.007 --> 00:59:57.867
wallet and it's horrible

00:59:58.188 --> 00:59:58.967
anytime you want to change

00:59:59.007 --> 01:00:01.469
to a different network and use them like

01:00:02.489 --> 01:00:04.130
kepler and leap the

01:00:04.150 --> 01:00:05.269
interface and the way to

01:00:05.289 --> 01:00:06.070
interact with things is

01:00:06.130 --> 01:00:08.331
just so much better to say

01:00:08.411 --> 01:00:09.291
nothing about node running

01:00:09.331 --> 01:00:10.432
itself running nodes on

01:00:10.472 --> 01:00:11.432
polka dot and running a

01:00:11.492 --> 01:00:14.554
validator is it makes

01:00:14.655 --> 01:00:16.876
absolutely no sense yeah

01:00:16.956 --> 01:00:17.916
we're running some stuff

01:00:17.956 --> 01:00:21.697
for people uh and it's just

01:00:21.858 --> 01:00:22.978
it's it's completely

01:00:23.018 --> 01:00:25.719
nonsensical to me do you mean on um

01:00:28.099 --> 01:00:29.740
On the actual polka dot or

01:00:29.780 --> 01:00:30.621
even like on a sub chain?

01:00:30.681 --> 01:00:32.380
Substrate.

01:00:32.561 --> 01:00:33.420
Just substrate in general.

01:00:33.862 --> 01:00:34.061
Yeah.

01:00:35.242 --> 01:00:35.362
Yeah,

01:00:35.382 --> 01:00:36.842
I know there's a key system

01:00:36.862 --> 01:00:37.581
associated with that, right?

01:00:37.601 --> 01:00:38.523
There's like a bunch of

01:00:38.663 --> 01:00:39.922
complexities associated to

01:00:40.402 --> 01:00:41.822
authorization and all this

01:00:41.862 --> 01:00:47.545
kind of shit that goes on there.

01:00:48.184 --> 01:00:50.125
To run a node on a substrate chain,

01:00:50.164 --> 01:00:51.545
isn't there some sort of

01:00:51.945 --> 01:00:53.565
structure that goes back to...

01:00:54.670 --> 01:00:55.530
the actual main polka dot

01:00:55.550 --> 01:00:56.271
chain or something similar

01:00:56.291 --> 01:00:57.193
to that to get authorized

01:00:57.233 --> 01:00:58.414
to be able to run a node or something?

01:00:59.556 --> 01:01:00.237
I don't know.

01:01:00.257 --> 01:01:02.500
So that I don't know.

01:01:03.340 --> 01:01:04.623
I've been running on just

01:01:04.663 --> 01:01:06.184
side chains that don't

01:01:06.224 --> 01:01:07.686
necessarily hook into polka

01:01:07.726 --> 01:01:08.106
dot necessarily.

01:01:08.126 --> 01:01:09.568
They just use a substrate as their base.

01:01:11.516 --> 01:01:13.277
But my issue is more around

01:01:13.856 --> 01:01:15.336
the way their key system works.

01:01:15.577 --> 01:01:16.978
So the way you become a

01:01:17.038 --> 01:01:19.338
validator is you launch the node,

01:01:19.358 --> 01:01:21.659
and then you rotate keys,

01:01:21.739 --> 01:01:22.500
and then you submit the

01:01:22.539 --> 01:01:26.481
keys to their explorer,

01:01:27.181 --> 01:01:29.762
which is very strange to me

01:01:29.782 --> 01:01:30.922
rather than just submitting it online.

01:01:31.302 --> 01:01:32.702
And so you change validators

01:01:32.762 --> 01:01:35.164
by moving that key

01:01:36.253 --> 01:01:37.695
And it's just, I don't know.

01:01:38.175 --> 01:01:38.735
And then you don't know when

01:01:38.755 --> 01:01:39.637
you're going to be nominated.

01:01:39.657 --> 01:01:40.637
There's a difference between

01:01:40.657 --> 01:01:41.398
your stash wallet and your

01:01:41.418 --> 01:01:42.139
primary wallet.

01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:44.221
It's just very opaque.

01:01:46.742 --> 01:01:48.043
I was just going back to

01:01:48.764 --> 01:01:49.885
this comment around Neutron.

01:01:51.467 --> 01:01:52.226
All these upgrades,

01:01:52.447 --> 01:01:53.969
super risky for Cosmos validators.

01:01:55.010 --> 01:01:55.769
I don't understand why we

01:01:55.789 --> 01:01:57.112
should support protocols like that.

01:01:57.172 --> 01:01:58.592
Why should we support protocols like that?

01:01:59.152 --> 01:01:59.594
It's amazing.

01:02:00.835 --> 01:02:02.496
Do you think that...

01:02:05.557 --> 01:02:06.699
they will actually vote

01:02:06.878 --> 01:02:09.902
evmos in to interchange

01:02:09.922 --> 01:02:15.847
security yes yes I do why

01:02:18.048 --> 01:02:19.068
why would people just not

01:02:19.190 --> 01:02:20.771
veto that it's like gonna

01:02:20.791 --> 01:02:23.052
be such a pain in the ass to run

01:02:24.994 --> 01:02:26.414
Because it could be partial set security.

01:02:26.936 --> 01:02:28.356
There only needs to be, I think,

01:02:28.396 --> 01:02:30.719
a minimum of like five validators run it.

01:02:30.759 --> 01:02:31.659
So what they're going to do,

01:02:31.699 --> 01:02:35.181
probably five validators be like, hey,

01:02:35.282 --> 01:02:37.643
we'll pay you, I don't know,

01:02:37.643 --> 01:02:40.025
$500 a month to run our chain.

01:02:40.626 --> 01:02:42.547
And then ultimately they're

01:02:42.827 --> 01:02:43.849
paying less for that than

01:02:43.869 --> 01:02:45.610
they are actually having

01:02:45.650 --> 01:02:46.831
their own chain because of

01:02:46.931 --> 01:02:48.193
staking rewards, right?

01:02:50.074 --> 01:02:51.054
So that's why.

01:02:53.277 --> 01:02:53.916
So Neutron,

01:02:54.036 --> 01:02:54.797
the issue and the complaints

01:02:54.818 --> 01:02:55.538
with it is that it's not

01:02:55.557 --> 01:02:56.157
partial set security,

01:02:56.177 --> 01:02:57.197
it's full set security.

01:02:58.278 --> 01:02:59.179
It's not really full though, right?

01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.039
I mean, it's full minus like one.

01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:05.601
I thought 20% or could,

01:03:06.001 --> 01:03:07.842
I thought if you're under a

01:03:07.902 --> 01:03:09.021
specific percentage of VP,

01:03:09.041 --> 01:03:09.981
you could bail out of that

01:03:10.001 --> 01:03:10.802
and not have to do it and

01:03:10.822 --> 01:03:11.382
all that kind of shit.

01:03:12.083 --> 01:03:12.722
Yeah, but I think that's like 5%.

01:03:12.842 --> 01:03:13.903
I don't think it's 20%.

01:03:15.362 --> 01:03:16.322
Oh, okay.

01:03:16.342 --> 01:03:17.041
Maybe they'll migrate to

01:03:17.081 --> 01:03:17.922
partial set security.

01:03:18.202 --> 01:03:20.063
And if, if they do do partial set security,

01:03:20.242 --> 01:03:20.802
then great.

01:03:20.963 --> 01:03:21.862
I have no issues with at

01:03:21.882 --> 01:03:23.643
most in like complex joining.

01:03:23.664 --> 01:03:24.063
That's great.

01:03:24.943 --> 01:03:25.824
Um, yeah.

01:03:26.943 --> 01:03:29.324
So what, what, so five validators,

01:03:29.344 --> 01:03:30.304
is that what you said?

01:03:30.784 --> 01:03:31.164
Like they'll pick,

01:03:31.184 --> 01:03:32.864
I think the minimum is five

01:03:32.905 --> 01:03:33.945
for the partial set security.

01:03:33.985 --> 01:03:34.266
Yeah.

01:03:34.925 --> 01:03:35.865
And what's the point of that?

01:03:37.985 --> 01:03:38.166
Um,

01:03:38.346 --> 01:03:39.507
not having everyone in cosmos

01:03:39.606 --> 01:03:40.146
validating it.

01:03:40.746 --> 01:03:40.827
Oh,

01:03:41.311 --> 01:03:43.490
Why couldn't they just take

01:03:43.510 --> 01:03:44.931
the existing set and reduce

01:03:44.952 --> 01:03:45.911
it down to five?

01:03:46.092 --> 01:03:47.592
Reduce it to five, yeah.

01:03:47.612 --> 01:03:51.233
Just the economic... So do

01:03:51.373 --> 01:03:52.393
they get the economic

01:03:52.432 --> 01:03:53.333
benefit of the whole set?

01:03:54.393 --> 01:03:54.634
Well,

01:03:54.713 --> 01:03:56.713
you would have all of the rewards

01:03:56.753 --> 01:03:57.795
going to five people.

01:03:59.155 --> 01:04:00.974
Yeah.

01:04:00.994 --> 01:04:02.356
Which doesn't make it any cheaper.

01:04:03.076 --> 01:04:03.936
Right, yeah, true.

01:04:05.615 --> 01:04:06.896
I don't know.

01:04:06.916 --> 01:04:07.516
I don't know if...

01:04:08.697 --> 01:04:09.498
You get the full set

01:04:09.538 --> 01:04:11.699
security if only five people do it.

01:04:11.759 --> 01:04:12.719
And what about governance?

01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:13.740
Is that still what the original,

01:04:14.101 --> 01:04:14.661
of most VALs?

01:04:15.141 --> 01:04:15.262
Like,

01:04:15.302 --> 01:04:16.503
did it turn into Governators and that

01:04:16.543 --> 01:04:17.322
cool kind of bullshit?

01:04:17.362 --> 01:04:18.804
Or is it, like, Stride did?

01:04:18.844 --> 01:04:23.568
Or is it more, like, it can't be five VALs,

01:04:23.608 --> 01:04:23.708
right?

01:04:23.728 --> 01:04:24.748
That wouldn't make any sense.

01:04:25.702 --> 01:04:27.784
don't know I don't know it

01:04:27.804 --> 01:04:28.945
might just be if they want

01:04:28.965 --> 01:04:30.768
to if they want to reduce

01:04:30.807 --> 01:04:32.509
the validator set uh

01:04:32.628 --> 01:04:35.751
organically and um you know

01:04:35.831 --> 01:04:38.094
pay less for security they

01:04:38.134 --> 01:04:39.594
could just implement an

01:04:39.655 --> 01:04:43.278
upgrade that forces 0.01

01:04:43.278 --> 01:04:47.483
commission you know what

01:04:47.543 --> 01:04:48.362
I'm not convinced I would

01:04:48.382 --> 01:04:49.864
do it I'm not like

01:04:51.211 --> 01:04:52.432
Running on Evmos is already

01:04:52.492 --> 01:04:53.393
like eating glass.

01:04:53.413 --> 01:04:54.213
Yeah.

01:04:54.393 --> 01:04:55.114
And nobody's making any

01:04:55.153 --> 01:04:56.054
money on it anyway.

01:04:58.735 --> 01:04:58.994
True.

01:04:59.335 --> 01:04:59.856
In theory,

01:04:59.916 --> 01:05:01.536
it should have like culled itself, right?

01:05:01.677 --> 01:05:03.016
But I don't know.

01:05:03.077 --> 01:05:03.577
I find this whole

01:05:03.597 --> 01:05:04.717
sociological side of things

01:05:04.958 --> 01:05:06.778
of being a Cosmos validator

01:05:06.798 --> 01:05:08.280
so interesting because we

01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:10.380
just like to punch ourselves in the nuts.

01:05:11.001 --> 01:05:11.860
Most of us don't make any

01:05:11.900 --> 01:05:13.141
money on most of our validators.

01:05:13.862 --> 01:05:14.702
And then you just let them

01:05:14.742 --> 01:05:18.043
run even though it's not doing anything.

01:05:19.059 --> 01:05:21.800
And Evmos, it's costly to run.

01:05:21.820 --> 01:05:22.360
It sucks.

01:05:24.702 --> 01:05:28.063
Yeah, I opted out of Evmos.

01:05:28.623 --> 01:05:29.844
Juno is much the same now.

01:05:29.925 --> 01:05:31.806
It's not actually very costly to run, but,

01:05:32.425 --> 01:05:33.706
I mean, you still have to, like,

01:05:33.806 --> 01:05:34.688
spend time on it.

01:05:35.467 --> 01:05:38.690
And, I mean, it's virtually worthless now.

01:05:39.489 --> 01:05:39.811
There's...

01:05:40.887 --> 01:05:41.128
I mean,

01:05:41.929 --> 01:05:43.409
Stargaze is actually a pretty good

01:05:44.110 --> 01:05:45.070
chain in my opinion,

01:05:45.170 --> 01:05:46.530
but you don't make much

01:05:46.610 --> 01:05:48.652
money validating there, if any.

01:05:49.291 --> 01:05:52.954
Chihuahua should probably die as well.

01:05:55.755 --> 01:05:58.257
But it doesn't cost much to run,

01:05:58.277 --> 01:06:00.777
but it also doesn't make any money.

01:06:02.739 --> 01:06:03.780
But there's a lot like that.

01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:04.981
If it doesn't cost much to run,

01:06:05.021 --> 01:06:05.661
it's easier to run.

01:06:05.681 --> 01:06:06.420
I don't know how much easier.

01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:06.942
Like Chihuahua?

01:06:07.878 --> 01:06:08.518
I don't have a lot of issues

01:06:08.538 --> 01:06:10.239
probably because it takes

01:06:10.318 --> 01:06:12.340
very little space to run.

01:06:12.521 --> 01:06:13.300
You can just ignore it, let it go.

01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:14.442
At most it's not the same.

01:06:14.802 --> 01:06:16.043
There's been like one upgrade in a year,

01:06:16.063 --> 01:06:16.443
right?

01:06:17.222 --> 01:06:17.382
Yeah.

01:06:17.523 --> 01:06:17.804
I remember.

01:06:17.844 --> 01:06:19.143
I didn't even know where that.

01:06:19.164 --> 01:06:19.505
Yeah.

01:06:19.905 --> 01:06:20.985
If most is definitely in a

01:06:21.045 --> 01:06:23.447
league of its own in terms of burden,

01:06:23.586 --> 01:06:24.927
it's just the database is

01:06:24.967 --> 01:06:27.748
so huge and it's all just crap from the,

01:06:28.650 --> 01:06:29.731
from, you know,

01:06:29.771 --> 01:06:32.092
the initial launch and just

01:06:32.132 --> 01:06:34.012
people making all these stupid accounts.

01:06:34.072 --> 01:06:35.494
But, um,

01:06:37.094 --> 01:06:38.175
mean just it does nothing

01:06:38.215 --> 01:06:40.096
now there's no no activity

01:06:40.115 --> 01:06:42.496
there there's and that's

01:06:43.097 --> 01:06:44.117
true for a lot of chains

01:06:44.157 --> 01:06:45.797
now it's still

01:06:45.838 --> 01:06:48.380
heartbreaking um it was it

01:06:48.420 --> 01:06:49.940
was pretty nice prior to

01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:51.760
the nomad hack and then

01:06:52.121 --> 01:06:53.842
yeah the nomad bridge got

01:06:53.862 --> 01:06:54.902
hacked and now it's never

01:06:54.943 --> 01:06:56.744
recovered that that's gonna

01:06:56.764 --> 01:06:57.923
be heartbreaking for a lot

01:06:57.943 --> 01:07:00.945
of folks a lot of it was a real like

01:07:02.469 --> 01:07:04.550
That Nomad thing, it just, yeah,

01:07:04.789 --> 01:07:06.291
it was just a death blow overnight,

01:07:06.331 --> 01:07:06.610
wasn't it?

01:07:06.731 --> 01:07:07.811
It was just, you're done.

01:07:08.351 --> 01:07:08.811
See you later.

01:07:09.893 --> 01:07:12.813
No liquidity, no animal game.

01:07:12.853 --> 01:07:13.034
Well,

01:07:13.213 --> 01:07:14.934
and I think Avmos kept a lot of us

01:07:15.235 --> 01:07:16.275
kind of afloat for a while

01:07:16.496 --> 01:07:17.876
because it was just

01:07:18.137 --> 01:07:19.557
printing money in the beginning.

01:07:21.438 --> 01:07:23.980
I've never cashed a single Avmos.

01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:24.380
Really?

01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:24.940
Yeah.

01:07:25.380 --> 01:07:25.760
Those days,

01:07:25.780 --> 01:07:27.521
I was just putting things back in it,

01:07:27.541 --> 01:07:28.922
and then it died, and that was it.

01:07:29.121 --> 01:07:29.623
I've never...

01:07:31.132 --> 01:07:32.333
I don't think even one.

01:07:33.492 --> 01:07:34.054
Wow.

01:07:34.353 --> 01:07:34.773
I did.

01:07:35.434 --> 01:07:35.775
I did,

01:07:35.914 --> 01:07:38.135
but immediately got hosed by captain

01:07:38.175 --> 01:07:38.496
Twitter.

01:07:39.416 --> 01:07:41.498
So that's so funny that they track you.

01:07:42.739 --> 01:07:43.018
Yeah.

01:07:43.059 --> 01:07:43.219
Yeah.

01:07:43.358 --> 01:07:44.940
I don't know.

01:07:46.041 --> 01:07:47.461
Hey man, hey man,

01:07:47.481 --> 01:07:49.963
you can't show you your rewards, man.

01:07:50.063 --> 01:07:51.344
You're not supporting the chain.

01:07:54.226 --> 01:07:55.847
That was a great, strange brew.

01:07:56.266 --> 01:07:57.007
That was amazing.

01:07:57.807 --> 01:07:58.007
Yeah.

01:07:58.563 --> 01:07:59.465
The last time I pulled

01:07:59.505 --> 01:08:02.506
rewards at Evmos was May 16, 2023.

01:08:02.505 --> 01:08:02.806
Yeah.

01:08:02.867 --> 01:08:05.827
That's a good time.

01:08:05.847 --> 01:08:06.148
Wow.

01:08:06.588 --> 01:08:07.849
That's about the same as Stargaze, too.

01:08:07.869 --> 01:08:08.489
I haven't played any of those.

01:08:08.590 --> 01:08:09.570
Or Juno or anything else.

01:08:09.610 --> 01:08:11.931
It's all been... Just ignore them.

01:08:13.132 --> 01:08:14.293
Because what's the point?

01:08:14.813 --> 01:08:16.293
What's the point?

01:08:16.675 --> 01:08:17.255
Why touch it?

01:08:19.076 --> 01:08:19.655
Why deal with it?

01:08:19.917 --> 01:08:23.559
That would be nice when that goes to ICF.

01:08:23.599 --> 01:08:24.819
What do they call it when

01:08:24.859 --> 01:08:25.520
it's partial set?

01:08:26.761 --> 01:08:27.020
PSS?

01:08:28.996 --> 01:08:32.837
icf pss yes pss correct pss

01:08:32.917 --> 01:08:38.060
icf pss yeah enjoy so

01:08:38.100 --> 01:08:39.140
neutron okay well I'm glad

01:08:39.180 --> 01:08:40.082
neutron came back that's

01:08:40.101 --> 01:08:42.023
good so it wasn't slinky

01:08:42.302 --> 01:08:43.502
there was a I saw it was in

01:08:43.563 --> 01:08:45.243
a chat it's slinky I'm like

01:08:45.264 --> 01:08:46.024
I don't know if it's slinky

01:08:46.385 --> 01:08:47.864
so did slinky go live on

01:08:47.904 --> 01:08:50.886
tesla at neutron yeah

01:08:51.256 --> 01:08:52.139
Yeah.

01:08:52.219 --> 01:08:52.418
Okay.

01:08:52.519 --> 01:08:52.698
All right.

01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:53.140
Okay.

01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:53.942
So make sure,

01:08:53.981 --> 01:08:55.203
cause I didn't say anything

01:08:55.224 --> 01:08:56.565
about that conversation.

01:08:57.046 --> 01:08:58.429
And so I didn't know if there was,

01:08:59.371 --> 01:08:59.971
if valves were trying to

01:09:00.011 --> 01:09:00.813
figure out exactly what the

01:09:00.832 --> 01:09:01.854
hell they were doing with it or not.

01:09:04.219 --> 01:09:04.538
That's good.

01:09:04.699 --> 01:09:04.840
Yeah.

01:09:08.894 --> 01:09:09.574
i mean I'm really looking

01:09:09.595 --> 01:09:10.835
forward to slinky is going

01:09:10.855 --> 01:09:12.556
to have it so that is it

01:09:12.577 --> 01:09:13.837
still slinky after the skip

01:09:13.877 --> 01:09:15.179
rebrand no it's called

01:09:15.198 --> 01:09:16.619
connect right it's not

01:09:16.659 --> 01:09:17.539
slinky anymore it's connect

01:09:19.462 --> 01:09:21.783
I think so yeah uh they're

01:09:21.804 --> 01:09:22.663
gonna have it such that you

01:09:22.684 --> 01:09:23.545
can just have one slinky

01:09:23.564 --> 01:09:24.586
and have all chains talk to

01:09:24.626 --> 01:09:26.766
that one sidecar and that

01:09:26.827 --> 01:09:27.787
is gonna be glorious I

01:09:27.828 --> 01:09:34.393
cannot wait for that all

01:09:34.453 --> 01:09:37.234
chains talk to one oh yeah okay yeah

01:09:38.988 --> 01:09:43.051
Makes sense.

01:09:43.091 --> 01:09:44.192
My camera died, by the way.

01:09:44.391 --> 01:09:46.773
Had to switch over to the integrated.

01:09:46.792 --> 01:09:48.434
It's actually not looking too bad today.

01:09:49.515 --> 01:09:50.395
Yeah, skip connect.

01:09:50.836 --> 01:09:51.155
I see it.

01:09:51.176 --> 01:09:52.056
I didn't even see the rebrand.

01:09:53.797 --> 01:09:54.177
I like it.

01:09:54.337 --> 01:09:54.779
Oh, yeah.

01:09:54.958 --> 01:09:55.559
Skip connect.

01:09:55.599 --> 01:09:55.819
Yeah.

01:09:56.979 --> 01:09:57.180
Yeah.

01:09:57.801 --> 01:09:59.242
I don't know.

01:10:00.061 --> 01:10:01.764
What was the thesis behind

01:10:01.863 --> 01:10:03.345
Slinky as a name?

01:10:05.185 --> 01:10:05.706
I have no idea.

01:10:05.725 --> 01:10:08.007
Kind of a strange name for something,

01:10:08.047 --> 01:10:08.167
right?

01:10:08.854 --> 01:10:09.914
Yeah, great question.

01:10:11.636 --> 01:10:12.315
Yeah, I have no idea.

01:10:13.896 --> 01:10:15.238
I think so there's what

01:10:15.337 --> 01:10:16.158
there was some chatter in

01:10:16.179 --> 01:10:17.059
the group chat about

01:10:17.219 --> 01:10:18.220
whether or not you can just

01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:20.140
run one instance of slinky for everything,

01:10:20.220 --> 01:10:20.421
right?

01:10:22.643 --> 01:10:24.184
Yes, and it's not activated yet.

01:10:24.363 --> 01:10:25.404
Cannot do it yet.

01:10:26.524 --> 01:10:26.664
Yeah.

01:10:28.605 --> 01:10:28.747
Yeah,

01:10:28.787 --> 01:10:32.149
I think I mean technically the entire

01:10:32.208 --> 01:10:33.989
chain could use one instance of slinky.

01:10:34.710 --> 01:10:34.949
Yes.

01:10:36.631 --> 01:10:37.131
That is true.

01:10:38.100 --> 01:10:38.600
That is true.

01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:40.600
I mean, that's kind of Chainlink, right?

01:10:40.881 --> 01:10:42.100
Isn't that what that becomes?

01:10:43.001 --> 01:10:43.240
No.

01:10:43.362 --> 01:10:45.481
No, you still have that.

01:10:45.822 --> 01:10:46.582
You still have a ton of node

01:10:46.601 --> 01:10:48.962
ops hitting a diverse set of endpoints.

01:10:50.404 --> 01:10:51.724
Not all node ops at

01:10:51.804 --> 01:10:53.283
Chainlink hit the same endpoints.

01:10:53.925 --> 01:10:54.645
It's all managed.

01:10:55.524 --> 01:10:56.444
So there's not much overlap.

01:10:56.484 --> 01:10:58.225
This is taking the same data

01:10:58.265 --> 01:10:59.105
and just publishing it by

01:10:59.105 --> 01:11:00.686
50 people or 100 people.

01:11:00.846 --> 01:11:01.487
That is actually...

01:11:02.478 --> 01:11:04.337
Each node app has three endpoints,

01:11:04.398 --> 01:11:05.719
but there's overlap of what

01:11:05.759 --> 01:11:06.458
endpoints there are.

01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:07.099
So there's a lot more

01:11:07.139 --> 01:11:08.338
diversity in terms of endpoints.

01:11:08.498 --> 01:11:09.238
There's also more cost.

01:11:09.259 --> 01:11:09.759
Oh, that's cool.

01:11:10.300 --> 01:11:10.800
I didn't realize that.

01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:11.460
Yeah.

01:11:11.500 --> 01:11:12.439
So it's, it's managed.

01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:13.359
So meaning like,

01:11:14.180 --> 01:11:15.661
like if I'm pulling some from CoinGecko,

01:11:15.841 --> 01:11:17.100
maybe one or two others might,

01:11:17.161 --> 01:11:18.001
but nobody else does.

01:11:19.081 --> 01:11:20.261
And then I produce a price,

01:11:20.301 --> 01:11:21.221
everybody produces a price

01:11:21.261 --> 01:11:22.021
and that's how it happens.

01:11:23.582 --> 01:11:24.042
Well, that's cool.

01:11:24.061 --> 01:11:27.323
So there is, there is no like,

01:11:28.635 --> 01:11:31.237
key sharing between slinky

01:11:31.277 --> 01:11:32.457
and the validator either.

01:11:32.537 --> 01:11:34.699
So no, I mean,

01:11:34.739 --> 01:11:36.360
you could have like a couple

01:11:36.400 --> 01:11:38.342
of slinkies load balanced

01:11:39.082 --> 01:11:40.344
and just have everyone use it.

01:11:41.725 --> 01:11:45.408
I guess you could.

01:11:45.787 --> 01:11:46.029
Yeah.

01:11:46.069 --> 01:11:47.510
Cause I mean the, the,

01:11:48.529 --> 01:11:52.132
the issue is that the Oracle itself today,

01:11:52.153 --> 01:11:54.055
um, I'm sorry,

01:11:54.095 --> 01:11:55.996
the sidecar itself today or connect, um,

01:11:58.338 --> 01:12:01.542
calls into the has config

01:12:01.662 --> 01:12:02.604
that associate to it that

01:12:02.623 --> 01:12:03.886
it knows that it's talking

01:12:03.905 --> 01:12:07.289
to the nodes gRPC point

01:12:07.489 --> 01:12:08.412
port to be able to pull

01:12:08.471 --> 01:12:09.533
contract information that

01:12:09.592 --> 01:12:11.215
has the pairs that it's doing.

01:12:11.855 --> 01:12:12.976
So today it's one-to-one.

01:12:13.738 --> 01:12:15.621
But yes, you could even,

01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:17.203
I bet you could do that today actually.

01:12:18.034 --> 01:12:18.314
Well,

01:12:18.855 --> 01:12:21.157
you could have a couple of nodes

01:12:21.497 --> 01:12:22.658
that's load balanced for it

01:12:22.717 --> 01:12:23.838
to pull that information

01:12:23.878 --> 01:12:25.300
from as well over gRPC.

01:12:25.699 --> 01:12:25.899
Yeah.

01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:26.980
Just for redundancy.

01:12:27.440 --> 01:12:28.341
You could.

01:12:28.681 --> 01:12:30.462
So I think for all DYDX,

01:12:30.684 --> 01:12:31.503
I don't see any reason why

01:12:31.564 --> 01:12:32.685
all DYDX validators

01:12:32.725 --> 01:12:33.905
couldn't call a single

01:12:34.706 --> 01:12:36.648
Oracle endpoint at 8080 and

01:12:36.747 --> 01:12:37.568
have valid data.

01:12:38.309 --> 01:12:39.829
There's nothing stopping that,

01:12:39.909 --> 01:12:40.210
I don't think.

01:12:41.342 --> 01:12:41.502
Well,

01:12:41.542 --> 01:12:44.385
all of our sentries all call the same

01:12:44.784 --> 01:12:45.525
slinky instance.

01:12:45.565 --> 01:12:45.746
Yeah.

01:12:46.126 --> 01:12:46.886
So that would, yeah.

01:12:46.947 --> 01:12:48.868
So every val, every val could do that.

01:12:50.488 --> 01:12:50.850
So you could,

01:12:50.949 --> 01:12:53.872
you could produce DYDX skip

01:12:53.891 --> 01:12:54.792
connect as a service.

01:12:56.292 --> 01:12:57.673
Skip as a service, baby.

01:12:57.694 --> 01:12:59.956
You don't need to run all that shit.

01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:02.002
Yeah.

01:13:02.141 --> 01:13:04.224
It's like, Oh man, it's so hard.

01:13:04.264 --> 01:13:05.024
You're running this stuff.

01:13:05.083 --> 01:13:05.625
Let me go.

01:13:05.645 --> 01:13:06.045
Hey baby.

01:13:06.425 --> 01:13:06.706
Hey baby.

01:13:06.746 --> 01:13:08.106
I got a service for you right here.

01:13:08.327 --> 01:13:08.747
I got you.

01:13:09.528 --> 01:13:09.908
Hey baby.

01:13:09.948 --> 01:13:10.368
I got you.

01:13:10.729 --> 01:13:11.210
Just call this.

01:13:13.270 --> 01:13:13.530
Yeah.

01:13:13.671 --> 01:13:15.092
So I, when,

01:13:15.113 --> 01:13:16.354
when you can do that for multiple chains,

01:13:16.373 --> 01:13:17.534
I think that'll be really, I do agree.

01:13:17.555 --> 01:13:18.756
That'll be really cool because then,

01:13:18.855 --> 01:13:19.617
then you get in a situation

01:13:19.636 --> 01:13:19.957
where you can,

01:13:20.868 --> 01:13:24.069
where they could produce different,

01:13:24.251 --> 01:13:26.652
I guess, bundles for each of those nodes.

01:13:26.712 --> 01:13:27.273
And, you know,

01:13:27.432 --> 01:13:28.594
whether that's pulling from

01:13:29.154 --> 01:13:30.074
different chains or like

01:13:30.135 --> 01:13:31.176
Solana or whether it's just

01:13:31.235 --> 01:13:32.636
pulling endpoints or whatever else.

01:13:33.136 --> 01:13:33.658
It's just, I mean,

01:13:33.677 --> 01:13:34.358
all you're doing is really

01:13:34.377 --> 01:13:35.378
pulling pairs across a

01:13:35.418 --> 01:13:37.159
bunch of different source endpoints,

01:13:37.220 --> 01:13:37.360
right?

01:13:37.400 --> 01:13:40.203
So in theory, it could be multi-chain.

01:13:41.328 --> 01:13:42.108
I wonder if we should try

01:13:42.127 --> 01:13:43.109
and get Seda on here.

01:13:43.189 --> 01:13:45.949
I'd love to get their thoughts on this.

01:13:46.390 --> 01:13:48.051
Are they a direct competitor?

01:13:48.112 --> 01:13:48.952
In my mind, they are.

01:13:49.252 --> 01:13:49.832
Yeah, I think so.

01:13:49.872 --> 01:13:50.712
But I don't know if they are

01:13:50.832 --> 01:13:51.573
in their mind as well.

01:13:52.753 --> 01:13:53.094
I think so.

01:13:53.954 --> 01:13:55.395
I would think that they would think that.

01:13:55.534 --> 01:13:55.916
And also,

01:13:56.595 --> 01:13:58.056
their structure is that you can...

01:13:59.007 --> 01:13:59.849
Basically,

01:14:00.368 --> 01:14:01.729
the way I understand it is that

01:14:01.789 --> 01:14:02.631
anybody can come in and be

01:14:02.671 --> 01:14:04.332
able to create an Oracle endpoint,

01:14:04.551 --> 01:14:05.472
define what that is,

01:14:05.632 --> 01:14:06.934
and then that gets distributed out,

01:14:07.113 --> 01:14:08.194
and those groups go out and

01:14:08.694 --> 01:14:09.796
identify that data and

01:14:09.836 --> 01:14:10.756
bring that data and create

01:14:11.016 --> 01:14:12.278
a trusted Oracle associated

01:14:12.318 --> 01:14:14.539
to that very quickly, right?

01:14:14.579 --> 01:14:16.942
Like, hey, I want to get this price pair,

01:14:16.962 --> 01:14:18.622
and then you can produce

01:14:18.662 --> 01:14:22.345
that based off of some components.

01:14:22.365 --> 01:14:23.426
I'm not sure how fast it is

01:14:23.487 --> 01:14:24.226
or if it's the same thing

01:14:24.247 --> 01:14:25.068
the way it works on chain

01:14:25.108 --> 01:14:26.368
or if that is through...

01:14:27.414 --> 01:14:28.515
through vote extensions the

01:14:28.555 --> 01:14:29.475
way that skip does it or

01:14:29.515 --> 01:14:30.355
how that you know I don't

01:14:30.376 --> 01:14:31.315
know how that exactly works

01:14:31.355 --> 01:14:31.975
but I think it's just that

01:14:32.157 --> 01:14:33.716
I think it's just an end

01:14:33.756 --> 01:14:35.096
point I think so that would

01:14:35.117 --> 01:14:36.497
be cool we should we it's

01:14:36.537 --> 01:14:37.478
on our list man we got all

01:14:37.497 --> 01:14:38.417
these fucking guests we

01:14:38.458 --> 01:14:39.679
don't do anything that's

01:14:39.698 --> 01:14:40.519
what happens when we come

01:14:40.578 --> 01:14:43.920
up with a show we even had

01:14:44.060 --> 01:14:46.161
like we even talked to a

01:14:46.201 --> 01:14:47.180
lot of people about coming

01:14:47.220 --> 01:14:48.801
on here we did so

01:14:50.862 --> 01:14:51.943
You know, fans of the show,

01:14:51.983 --> 01:14:53.583
there's a lineup of people

01:14:53.623 --> 01:14:54.243
to come on here.

01:14:54.304 --> 01:14:55.885
We just have to send them a

01:14:55.925 --> 01:14:59.405
message at some point.

01:14:59.445 --> 01:15:00.506
We need a booker.

01:15:02.368 --> 01:15:02.747
A booker?

01:15:03.207 --> 01:15:04.488
Yeah.

01:15:05.048 --> 01:15:06.489
Yeah, I mean, of course,

01:15:06.550 --> 01:15:07.590
any one of us could do it.

01:15:08.470 --> 01:15:08.631
No.

01:15:09.411 --> 01:15:09.570
Yeah.

01:15:10.252 --> 01:15:11.671
How successful is that?

01:15:11.692 --> 01:15:15.594
It's like, nah.

01:15:15.793 --> 01:15:16.234
I can do it.

01:15:16.914 --> 01:15:17.255
I'll do it.

01:15:18.456 --> 01:15:23.761
you fucking sit there and

01:15:23.822 --> 01:15:27.865
lie to me you asshole when

01:15:27.886 --> 01:15:28.726
you sit here and say that

01:15:28.787 --> 01:15:29.948
yes as soon as we hang up

01:15:29.969 --> 01:15:31.210
you're like I'm not done

01:15:33.512 --> 01:15:35.895
fuck that I'm not doing

01:15:35.916 --> 01:15:38.679
this bullshit it's fun

01:15:40.780 --> 01:15:44.202
Anyone got ECC regrets not going?

01:15:45.362 --> 01:15:45.622
I mean,

01:15:45.641 --> 01:15:46.903
Schultz has got representation

01:15:46.943 --> 01:15:48.302
there at L5.

01:15:48.983 --> 01:15:49.684
Yeah.

01:15:50.944 --> 01:15:52.463
It's good to have somebody in the EU.

01:15:52.783 --> 01:15:53.725
Yeah, a little bit.

01:15:53.944 --> 01:15:55.944
It seems like I'm hearing a

01:15:55.965 --> 01:15:56.444
lot of good things,

01:15:56.505 --> 01:15:57.286
and there's a lot of folks

01:15:57.305 --> 01:15:58.105
that we know are going,

01:15:58.166 --> 01:15:59.926
so that would be cool.

01:16:01.747 --> 01:16:02.266
Maybe next year.

01:16:04.387 --> 01:16:05.387
Yeah, it's kind of...

01:16:07.886 --> 01:16:08.106
Yeah.

01:16:08.127 --> 01:16:08.686
I don't know.

01:16:08.726 --> 01:16:09.608
It's a long way to go over

01:16:09.627 --> 01:16:10.828
there every time there's something on.

01:16:11.828 --> 01:16:13.948
So I'd pick my battles that

01:16:13.988 --> 01:16:14.868
go over there once a year.

01:16:15.069 --> 01:16:16.269
I think next year though,

01:16:16.288 --> 01:16:17.869
I won't be going to the States.

01:16:18.069 --> 01:16:20.189
I think it might,

01:16:21.671 --> 01:16:23.851
it keeps calling it eighth C crime.

01:16:25.851 --> 01:16:28.052
So obviously Rama's got a

01:16:28.073 --> 01:16:29.092
vendetta against that.

01:16:29.113 --> 01:16:29.953
Um,

01:16:34.534 --> 01:16:35.376
I think the next one I'm

01:16:35.395 --> 01:16:37.476
going to go to is going to be in Europe.

01:16:39.698 --> 01:16:40.537
America's annoying me.

01:16:43.460 --> 01:16:45.600
But also having a newborn is

01:16:45.621 --> 01:16:48.141
probably going to limit my

01:16:48.903 --> 01:16:50.264
ability to go anywhere anyway.

01:16:51.283 --> 01:16:52.284
Which is a shame later on in

01:16:52.305 --> 01:16:53.105
the year because a lot of

01:16:53.145 --> 01:16:55.146
the stuff in my part of the

01:16:55.207 --> 01:16:58.210
world happens later on in the year,

01:16:58.270 --> 01:16:59.631
which also happens to be

01:17:00.331 --> 01:17:02.113
like when we're going to

01:17:02.153 --> 01:17:04.073
have the new member of the family.

01:17:04.173 --> 01:17:06.315
So unfortunately,

01:17:06.336 --> 01:17:07.256
I can't go to those either.

01:17:08.247 --> 01:17:08.988
yeah but by the spring

01:17:09.007 --> 01:17:09.847
you'll be right next year

01:17:09.868 --> 01:17:11.729
will be good token token

01:17:11.729 --> 01:17:13.788
2049 I mean it's a good uh

01:17:13.929 --> 01:17:15.310
reason why I now don't have

01:17:15.350 --> 01:17:16.329
to spend a thousand dollars

01:17:16.369 --> 01:17:18.750
on a ticket to token 2049

01:17:18.750 --> 01:17:20.251
but I also don't think you

01:17:20.291 --> 01:17:23.451
need a ticket to token 2049

01:17:23.451 --> 01:17:25.091
I've discovered recently

01:17:25.131 --> 01:17:26.011
that you just don't really

01:17:26.051 --> 01:17:27.652
need tickets to the events

01:17:27.671 --> 01:17:28.652
you just go there and book

01:17:28.712 --> 01:17:29.932
up all the side events like

01:17:30.132 --> 01:17:31.432
right yeah right yeah I agree

01:17:32.573 --> 01:17:33.594
yeah I agree if you're a

01:17:33.654 --> 01:17:35.194
hobo get into crypto and

01:17:35.234 --> 01:17:36.335
just hope that a conference

01:17:36.375 --> 01:17:38.355
comes to your uh your

01:17:38.376 --> 01:17:39.417
neighborhood if you want to

01:17:39.917 --> 01:17:42.137
exactly give fucking free

01:17:42.158 --> 01:17:44.137
food and booze that's right

01:17:44.458 --> 01:17:45.279
meet some people sleep on

01:17:45.298 --> 01:17:46.899
their floor you can make it

01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:53.101
happen I wonder I wonder what the um

01:17:56.479 --> 01:17:58.060
breakeven, let's say,

01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:02.341
is for new people entering

01:18:02.402 --> 01:18:06.203
the space to cover off the

01:18:06.404 --> 01:18:10.006
food and alcohol bills of conferences.

01:18:10.606 --> 01:18:12.807
I wonder what the breakeven

01:18:12.847 --> 01:18:15.509
amount is across the whole space.

01:18:16.029 --> 01:18:16.609
Do you know what I mean?

01:18:16.989 --> 01:18:19.452
Like what they spend on those things?

01:18:19.471 --> 01:18:20.072
I mean,

01:18:20.091 --> 01:18:21.332
I don't think I spend anything on

01:18:21.573 --> 01:18:21.972
alcohol.

01:18:22.052 --> 01:18:22.953
Are you talking about us or

01:18:22.974 --> 01:18:23.634
people are hosting?

01:18:24.675 --> 01:18:25.055
No, no.

01:18:25.095 --> 01:18:25.314
I mean...

01:18:27.125 --> 01:18:28.365
You have to sort of think of

01:18:28.405 --> 01:18:29.626
this as a larger thing, right?

01:18:30.086 --> 01:18:32.046
I mean, crypto as a whole,

01:18:32.806 --> 01:18:34.287
like crypto as an industry,

01:18:35.207 --> 01:18:36.588
I wonder what the breakeven

01:18:36.649 --> 01:18:38.750
amount of new people

01:18:38.909 --> 01:18:42.270
entering the investment space,

01:18:42.371 --> 01:18:43.532
like buying crypto,

01:18:44.171 --> 01:18:47.132
to perpetuate the Ponzi to

01:18:47.212 --> 01:18:49.373
enable those foundations

01:18:49.594 --> 01:18:51.875
and teams to be able to

01:18:51.954 --> 01:18:54.055
facilitate the free food

01:18:54.095 --> 01:18:55.537
and booze at conferences.

01:18:55.556 --> 01:18:56.176
Yeah.

01:18:56.498 --> 01:18:57.099
Are you talking about

01:18:57.640 --> 01:18:59.501
Milady's specifically?

01:19:01.381 --> 01:19:03.823
Fucking Milady's bloody crack parties.

01:19:04.304 --> 01:19:06.626
Yeah.

01:19:06.645 --> 01:19:08.106
I would say somewhere between 25 and 50%.

01:19:08.386 --> 01:19:08.707
Jeez.

01:19:13.970 --> 01:19:14.771
Somewhere there.

01:19:15.792 --> 01:19:16.113
Somewhere.

01:19:16.153 --> 01:19:16.972
It's like we need another

01:19:16.993 --> 01:19:19.074
bull run to facilitate the

01:19:19.114 --> 01:19:20.515
next round of conferences

01:19:20.576 --> 01:19:21.095
for three years.

01:19:21.115 --> 01:19:21.595
That's right.

01:19:21.615 --> 01:19:21.957
That's right.

01:19:22.277 --> 01:19:22.417
Yeah.

01:19:25.122 --> 01:19:26.524
What's Rama saying here?

01:19:27.163 --> 01:19:28.005
I can tell you first.

01:19:28.024 --> 01:19:28.625
Oh, okay.

01:19:28.664 --> 01:19:29.985
You will not be going there

01:19:31.025 --> 01:19:32.067
overseas next year.

01:19:32.367 --> 01:19:33.847
So Rama is referring to the

01:19:33.887 --> 01:19:35.149
new human appearing.

01:19:37.810 --> 01:19:39.230
I left the country within

01:19:39.251 --> 01:19:40.832
the first 12 months.

01:19:40.851 --> 01:19:41.311
You can get out.

01:19:41.332 --> 01:19:43.474
You can do it some trips.

01:19:44.054 --> 01:19:44.634
Nothing crazy.

01:19:44.734 --> 01:19:46.354
You can't go for a month.

01:19:46.375 --> 01:19:48.737
You can't disappear.

01:19:50.056 --> 01:19:50.297
I mean...

01:19:53.521 --> 01:19:56.543
So being in the one place is actually,

01:19:57.465 --> 01:19:59.386
I'm looking forward to not

01:19:59.466 --> 01:20:02.707
leaving this city for a good six months.

01:20:03.667 --> 01:20:04.509
And, you know,

01:20:04.628 --> 01:20:06.350
that's enabled me to line up

01:20:06.409 --> 01:20:08.291
a regular golf game on Wednesdays.

01:20:13.537 --> 01:20:14.997
it's like uh my one one

01:20:15.037 --> 01:20:15.938
chance to leave the house

01:20:16.018 --> 01:20:18.840
every week maybe if uh if

01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:22.881
the partner allows um so

01:20:23.521 --> 01:20:25.502
this cosmos upgrade v18

01:20:26.003 --> 01:20:27.243
that's coming what in a

01:20:27.304 --> 01:20:28.625
couple weeks right or it's

01:20:28.625 --> 01:20:31.105
10 days seven days away is

01:20:31.126 --> 01:20:33.146
this the wasm baby is it

01:20:33.207 --> 01:20:34.927
yeah I believe so it's the

01:20:35.087 --> 01:20:37.829
one wow one chain to rule them all

01:20:40.386 --> 01:20:41.469
It's going to be PSS,

01:20:41.708 --> 01:20:42.789
ICF with a bunch of shit

01:20:42.829 --> 01:20:44.072
chains as well as Wasm.

01:20:44.353 --> 01:20:45.755
What do we need anything else for?

01:20:48.417 --> 01:20:49.019
Get rid of it all.

01:20:51.282 --> 01:20:52.344
The hub is going to get

01:20:52.363 --> 01:20:54.426
annoying to validate at some point.

01:20:55.777 --> 01:20:57.597
people wasm just adds so

01:20:57.639 --> 01:21:00.280
much state like there is at

01:21:00.320 --> 01:21:02.042
the moment the hub is

01:21:02.082 --> 01:21:04.163
probably the most vanilla

01:21:04.203 --> 01:21:06.045
chain in all of cosmos

01:21:06.945 --> 01:21:09.087
adding this bloody wasm is

01:21:09.167 --> 01:21:10.408
just gonna bloat the state

01:21:10.488 --> 01:21:12.510
so hard everyone's gonna

01:21:12.550 --> 01:21:15.091
get the shits honestly I if

01:21:15.152 --> 01:21:17.373
it gives cosm or the cosmos

01:21:17.394 --> 01:21:18.935
a reason to exist I'm okay with it

01:21:20.173 --> 01:21:21.274
And Cosmos kind of already

01:21:21.295 --> 01:21:24.435
sucks to run because of Neutron and well,

01:21:24.617 --> 01:21:25.396
because of ICS.

01:21:25.657 --> 01:21:27.738
So might as well just let's do it.

01:21:28.219 --> 01:21:28.578
We're doing it.

01:21:28.599 --> 01:21:29.099
Let's just do it.

01:21:29.298 --> 01:21:31.039
Let's just do it.

01:21:31.180 --> 01:21:31.740
Let's get it done.

01:21:32.740 --> 01:21:33.462
We're already cutting.

01:21:33.481 --> 01:21:34.242
You might as well just cut

01:21:34.261 --> 01:21:34.841
the whole arm off.

01:21:36.762 --> 01:21:37.404
It's going to need a couple.

01:21:37.444 --> 01:21:38.404
You're going to need a

01:21:38.444 --> 01:21:40.405
couple of those last minute security.

01:21:40.546 --> 01:21:41.126
Oh, shit.

01:21:41.645 --> 01:21:43.247
Situations where you do a

01:21:43.306 --> 01:21:44.467
coordinated off chain,

01:21:44.528 --> 01:21:46.088
no governance proposal upgrade,

01:21:46.149 --> 01:21:47.970
but you have 40% of the

01:21:48.010 --> 01:21:49.371
state who doesn't give a shit.

01:21:50.173 --> 01:21:50.333
right?

01:21:50.354 --> 01:21:51.215
It was just what, like,

01:21:51.234 --> 01:21:51.654
they're not going to

01:21:51.675 --> 01:21:52.675
respond the way that you

01:21:52.694 --> 01:21:54.475
have other regular Cosmosm chains.

01:21:54.596 --> 01:21:55.197
It's going to be great.

01:21:55.317 --> 01:21:56.237
They're like, what do we have to do?

01:21:56.757 --> 01:21:57.337
Like, we do what?

01:21:58.599 --> 01:21:59.399
Can we wait a week for that?

01:21:59.418 --> 01:22:00.520
Because we need to get prepared.

01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:04.162
Yeah, we're on holiday until August,

01:22:04.242 --> 01:22:04.721
so no.

01:22:06.363 --> 01:22:06.783
Can't do it.

01:22:07.344 --> 01:22:07.844
Nobody's here.

01:22:08.725 --> 01:22:09.204
It's going to be good.

01:22:09.225 --> 01:22:12.567
It'll be baby's first non-determinism.

01:22:14.068 --> 01:22:15.809
I mean, really, okay,

01:22:16.288 --> 01:22:17.770
this is a little off topic, but

01:22:18.701 --> 01:22:19.662
that reminds me of kraken

01:22:19.702 --> 01:22:22.144
and injective oh my god it

01:22:22.184 --> 01:22:23.505
takes literally like five

01:22:23.784 --> 01:22:25.025
to ten days for injective

01:22:25.046 --> 01:22:26.886
to land on kraken because

01:22:26.907 --> 01:22:27.807
they're like they're node

01:22:27.847 --> 01:22:31.029
runners just can't I can't

01:22:31.069 --> 01:22:31.729
handle it I don't know

01:22:31.751 --> 01:22:34.271
what's going on but it's

01:22:34.292 --> 01:22:35.153
been they've had they've

01:22:35.172 --> 01:22:37.755
had a bad time for like four months now

01:22:38.228 --> 01:22:43.670
So couldn't the foundation here,

01:22:44.810 --> 01:22:45.390
or instead of putting

01:22:45.430 --> 01:22:46.551
Watson right on the hub,

01:22:47.051 --> 01:22:48.752
and if the hub is this

01:22:49.252 --> 01:22:51.293
financial entity that backs

01:22:51.314 --> 01:22:51.793
these other things,

01:22:52.614 --> 01:22:53.494
wouldn't it have been

01:22:53.515 --> 01:22:54.494
better to just have a...

01:22:56.860 --> 01:22:58.323
a permissionless Cosmos

01:22:58.363 --> 01:23:00.003
chain as a sub chain, as an ICF,

01:23:00.283 --> 01:23:02.766
as a ICS chain or something

01:23:02.806 --> 01:23:04.448
similar that off the hub.

01:23:04.509 --> 01:23:06.390
So the hub can do what it

01:23:06.430 --> 01:23:07.712
does and just make blocks

01:23:08.112 --> 01:23:10.234
and upgrade slowly and be stable.

01:23:10.274 --> 01:23:12.275
Like, why does this have to be on the hub?

01:23:12.296 --> 01:23:13.516
Like, why couldn't it be someplace else?

01:23:13.556 --> 01:23:14.057
Why couldn't it be on

01:23:14.078 --> 01:23:15.599
something else that that is

01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:17.881
hub two and there it is it's

01:23:18.181 --> 01:23:19.082
you know it's the same

01:23:19.122 --> 01:23:20.264
thing but it's but it but

01:23:20.283 --> 01:23:21.666
it's a sub chain so or it's

01:23:21.746 --> 01:23:22.926
a ics chain so you don't

01:23:22.947 --> 01:23:24.068
have the same if it goes

01:23:24.109 --> 01:23:25.430
down for two days at least

01:23:25.470 --> 01:23:26.730
the hub's still moving and

01:23:26.810 --> 01:23:28.393
like like why why does it

01:23:28.432 --> 01:23:32.997
need to be on the primary I

01:23:33.037 --> 01:23:34.038
agree maybe we should call

01:23:34.059 --> 01:23:36.042
it something like proton

01:23:37.024 --> 01:23:37.444
There you go.

01:23:37.465 --> 01:23:38.746
Like, like why?

01:23:38.886 --> 01:23:39.827
So this is going to be risky

01:23:39.867 --> 01:23:40.546
and it's going to add,

01:23:40.707 --> 01:23:41.927
not that Cosmo was risky,

01:23:41.988 --> 01:23:43.208
but it does have security

01:23:43.689 --> 01:23:44.609
things that come up, right?

01:23:44.649 --> 01:23:45.610
Like it's moving quickly.

01:23:46.350 --> 01:23:47.551
And it's,

01:23:47.992 --> 01:23:49.172
this is permission or permissionless.

01:23:49.212 --> 01:23:49.693
I don't remember.

01:23:50.694 --> 01:23:51.234
Permissioned, right?

01:23:51.755 --> 01:23:53.235
I think it's permissioned,

01:23:53.496 --> 01:23:54.657
which is also the proposal state.

01:23:57.443 --> 01:23:57.662
Right.

01:23:58.144 --> 01:23:59.845
So it seems like maybe it

01:23:59.885 --> 01:24:01.265
would be better as an ICS

01:24:01.345 --> 01:24:02.966
chain that still has the same branding,

01:24:03.507 --> 01:24:05.869
but it shows the flexibility of ICS,

01:24:05.930 --> 01:24:08.731
and now it's a way to be

01:24:08.771 --> 01:24:11.573
able to have that be as something else.

01:24:11.734 --> 01:24:12.595
And I don't know.

01:24:12.835 --> 01:24:14.256
Maybe it's just not Atom-based.

01:24:15.377 --> 01:24:15.556
I mean,

01:24:15.596 --> 01:24:17.377
that's kind of the main issue with

01:24:17.578 --> 01:24:18.899
why a lot of people voted no,

01:24:19.020 --> 01:24:20.261
is because it directly

01:24:20.280 --> 01:24:21.341
competes with Neutron,

01:24:21.622 --> 01:24:23.403
which that is literally

01:24:23.422 --> 01:24:24.604
exactly the purpose of what

01:24:24.644 --> 01:24:25.965
Neutron was supposed to be, right?

01:24:26.104 --> 01:24:27.086
Right, right, yeah.

01:24:28.065 --> 01:24:28.765
But the problem is we

01:24:28.786 --> 01:24:30.807
haven't seen dividends from ICS.

01:24:32.068 --> 01:24:33.368
And so you can't really rely

01:24:33.429 --> 01:24:33.828
on it anymore.

01:24:33.849 --> 01:24:34.489
I mean, that's the issue.

01:24:34.510 --> 01:24:35.069
They haven't figured out the

01:24:35.090 --> 01:24:35.689
economics of ICS.

01:24:35.730 --> 01:24:36.011
Yeah.

01:24:36.671 --> 01:24:36.871
Yeah.

01:24:37.331 --> 01:24:39.573
Oh, well.

01:24:40.092 --> 01:24:40.833
Well, good luck.

01:24:42.113 --> 01:24:42.413
Enjoy.

01:24:42.434 --> 01:24:44.655
I can't wait for you.

01:24:44.695 --> 01:24:45.416
What else can we give you?

01:24:45.997 --> 01:24:46.957
Chihuahua, you can take.

01:24:46.976 --> 01:24:49.097
Yeah, Evmos is cool.

01:24:49.939 --> 01:24:50.179
Hold on.

01:24:50.198 --> 01:24:50.899
Let me bring up a list.

01:24:51.140 --> 01:24:52.060
Let me make proposals for

01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:53.440
all these to go to ICS or something.

01:24:55.369 --> 01:24:57.131
What else do I not want to deal with?

01:24:58.231 --> 01:24:59.453
Yeah.

01:25:00.073 --> 01:25:01.054
It can be the new Havoc

01:25:01.073 --> 01:25:02.454
bringer in the ecosystem.

01:25:02.494 --> 01:25:04.055
Just keep making proposals for ICS.

01:25:04.235 --> 01:25:05.115
Meme coin?

01:25:05.155 --> 01:25:05.636
That would be good.

01:25:05.676 --> 01:25:06.596
That should be an ICS chain.

01:25:06.757 --> 01:25:07.358
You guys should do that.

01:25:08.578 --> 01:25:09.399
Definitely do meme coin.

01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:10.779
You could really start a

01:25:10.819 --> 01:25:11.881
fire and suggest Akash

01:25:11.900 --> 01:25:13.282
become an ICS chain.

01:25:14.002 --> 01:25:14.363
Oh, man.

01:25:14.403 --> 01:25:15.582
People would get lit up.

01:25:15.804 --> 01:25:16.463
It'd be all over you.

01:25:17.203 --> 01:25:17.645
Chihuahua?

01:25:17.664 --> 01:25:18.164
What else we got?

01:25:18.324 --> 01:25:19.286
Empower you can take.

01:25:19.305 --> 01:25:20.246
Yeah.

01:25:21.917 --> 01:25:23.697
Uncredited has joined the chat.

01:25:24.497 --> 01:25:25.938
I'm late and haven't checked

01:25:25.957 --> 01:25:27.778
the charts since early last month.

01:25:27.917 --> 01:25:29.778
Just do yourself a favor and don't.

01:25:30.338 --> 01:25:31.078
You're not going to get any

01:25:31.118 --> 01:25:32.418
spoilers here anyway.

01:25:32.559 --> 01:25:33.559
We don't do price talk.

01:25:34.038 --> 01:25:34.618
Everything's fine.

01:25:35.618 --> 01:25:36.340
Talk about coffee.

01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:37.079
Everything's fine.

01:25:37.260 --> 01:25:38.159
Yeah, exactly.

01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:40.460
Yeah.

01:25:42.100 --> 01:25:42.921
Oh my God, man.

01:25:44.661 --> 01:25:46.740
What a fucking week.

01:25:46.900 --> 01:25:48.362
I don't know about this fucking nook.

01:25:48.801 --> 01:25:49.702
I'm sitting on a cube.

01:25:50.435 --> 01:25:52.096
And my back is starting to fucking die.

01:25:52.117 --> 01:25:54.278
I'm going to shorten the show to an hour.

01:25:54.297 --> 01:25:58.619
Fuck, man.

01:25:58.820 --> 01:26:00.301
I can't wait for my goddamn

01:26:00.360 --> 01:26:01.141
chair to get here.

01:26:01.202 --> 01:26:02.242
It's fucked.

01:26:02.802 --> 01:26:04.724
Is it sitting in the driveway?

01:26:06.885 --> 01:26:08.605
No, it's in this fucking box.

01:26:09.225 --> 01:26:09.805
I've been like...

01:26:11.243 --> 01:26:13.003
just putting off life for a week,

01:26:13.064 --> 01:26:13.984
waiting for this box of

01:26:14.024 --> 01:26:15.246
shit to show up so I can

01:26:15.365 --> 01:26:17.106
unload it and actually get

01:26:17.146 --> 01:26:18.068
my office out of it.

01:26:18.568 --> 01:26:19.509
Yeah.

01:26:20.310 --> 01:26:20.989
I tell you what, man,

01:26:21.210 --> 01:26:22.171
everything is a lot fucking

01:26:22.190 --> 01:26:22.992
harder on a laptop.

01:26:23.032 --> 01:26:23.551
That's for sure.

01:26:23.752 --> 01:26:24.733
Like just doing stuff.

01:26:25.092 --> 01:26:25.313
Oh yeah.

01:26:25.372 --> 01:26:26.014
On a laptop.

01:26:26.434 --> 01:26:26.613
Yeah.

01:26:27.095 --> 01:26:28.234
Fuck my life.

01:26:28.756 --> 01:26:30.037
I just don't want to exist.

01:26:30.777 --> 01:26:30.877
Yeah.

01:26:30.896 --> 01:26:31.438
But actually.

01:26:31.478 --> 01:26:35.159
Oh yeah.

01:26:35.261 --> 01:26:35.600
Okay.

01:26:35.621 --> 01:26:35.801
Yeah.

01:26:35.841 --> 01:26:37.362
If you're using like a trackpad,

01:26:37.421 --> 01:26:38.542
that's like, that's miserable.

01:26:39.655 --> 01:26:41.516
yeah okay no it's just it's

01:26:41.596 --> 01:26:42.497
fucking miserable anyway

01:26:42.518 --> 01:26:44.179
because the screen's just

01:26:44.219 --> 01:26:47.820
so small when you like like

01:26:47.881 --> 01:26:49.462
I did I've done upgrades on

01:26:49.502 --> 01:26:51.444
this screen with literally

01:26:51.543 --> 01:26:53.284
like 15 terminals on it

01:26:54.706 --> 01:26:56.567
it's like everything's like

01:26:56.587 --> 01:26:59.168
this wide and when you type

01:26:59.328 --> 01:27:00.909
a command it takes up like

01:27:01.350 --> 01:27:02.610
this much of the screen

01:27:03.190 --> 01:27:04.431
it's just like three

01:27:04.471 --> 01:27:05.493
characters it's just

01:27:05.533 --> 01:27:06.252
filling it up you're like I

01:27:06.273 --> 01:27:07.234
got no idea what I'm typing

01:27:07.774 --> 01:27:08.835
I can't live like this

01:27:09.972 --> 01:27:12.494
uh yeah it's kind of sucks

01:27:13.216 --> 01:27:14.436
uh you need like tat I wish

01:27:15.197 --> 01:27:16.698
actually shilts you might

01:27:16.719 --> 01:27:18.539
know can item it doesn't

01:27:18.579 --> 01:27:19.860
tab does it you have to

01:27:19.900 --> 01:27:22.162
have them visible oh hell

01:27:22.203 --> 01:27:23.264
yeah tabs what are you

01:27:23.283 --> 01:27:25.126
talking about I use tabs

01:27:25.386 --> 01:27:27.868
all the time I will oh yeah

01:27:28.568 --> 01:27:30.029
I'm using them right how

01:27:30.270 --> 01:27:31.310
else do you do broadcast

01:27:31.871 --> 01:27:32.752
yeah what are you talking about

01:27:33.908 --> 01:27:35.309
Well, no, no.

01:27:35.569 --> 01:27:36.988
So, I mean, like,

01:27:37.448 --> 01:27:38.729
tabs that you can tab

01:27:38.770 --> 01:27:39.609
between instead of

01:27:39.670 --> 01:27:41.051
having... Because I did broadcast,

01:27:41.070 --> 01:27:41.810
but they're all on the

01:27:41.831 --> 01:27:42.690
fucking screen at once.

01:27:43.332 --> 01:27:44.532
Can you have them not like that?

01:27:44.591 --> 01:27:48.233
Like, nested behind each other?

01:27:48.694 --> 01:27:49.033
Yeah.

01:27:49.154 --> 01:27:50.713
I sent a screenshot into our chat.

01:27:50.974 --> 01:27:52.494
You can see... Oh, my God.

01:27:53.194 --> 01:27:54.136
You can definitely tab.

01:27:55.916 --> 01:27:56.176
Yeah.

01:27:56.216 --> 01:27:57.856
I've just been fucking...

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Oh my God.

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Yeah, of course.

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I don't understand what

01:28:04.984 --> 01:28:05.505
you're talking about.

01:28:05.625 --> 01:28:06.425
Of course you have tabs.

01:28:06.824 --> 01:28:08.065
You can't broadcast unless you have tabs.

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So confused.

01:28:13.087 --> 01:28:14.268
What do you mean broadcast?

01:28:14.307 --> 01:28:14.868
What are you saying?

01:28:15.868 --> 01:28:17.710
Same text into multiple terminals at once.

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Got it.

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Command shift I. Yeah.

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Where is it?

01:28:28.761 --> 01:28:30.801
Oh, it's in the... Where did you put it,

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Chelsea?

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No, I can't find it.

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So...

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Do you guys not have the saying,

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your blood's worth bottling?

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Do you not have that there?

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We do not.

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No.

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Oh, right.

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Okay.

01:28:47.434 --> 01:28:47.913
What the hell is that?

01:28:48.014 --> 01:28:49.274
Erdeman seemed fucking

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mortified when I said that

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to him the other day.

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I was like,

01:28:52.037 --> 01:28:53.457
what the hell are you talking about?

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What does that mean?

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You're going to drain me of blood?

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It just means that you're a

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really good person and you

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could bottle your blood

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instead of waste it on the ground.

01:29:05.265 --> 01:29:05.905
To do what with it?

01:29:06.185 --> 01:29:07.726
Oh, because you're going to murder them?

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Put it on the shelf.

01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:11.640
Why would it be on the shelf?

01:29:12.201 --> 01:29:15.023
You got to clone them.

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You bottle a good wine, right?

01:29:16.524 --> 01:29:18.725
So why not bottle a good blood?

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I don't know where it came from.

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It's just a saying.

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Your blood is so good.

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Because you bottle good things.

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I want to drain you and then

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put you in a bottle and put

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you up on my mantle.

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That's basically what it is.