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And to that end,

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I don't even know how to rug people,

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which is kind of despicable

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since I've been here since like day one.

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What is it, 114?

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Honestly,

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if two people are left in this podcast,

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we are the wrong two people

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to actually know how to do

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anything that has anything

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to do with the start of the show.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I was wondering who's gonna

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have to say it.

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You gonna try it?

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I couldn't I couldn't try it.

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I couldn't do it if I wanted to.

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Hello.

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Maybe I'm doing maybe I can

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do it a little bit of a fray accent.

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Hello.

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That's not really it's more

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of like a that's really

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what David said hubbins accent.

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Hello, welcome to Game Nodes,

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the validator podcast, something,

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something.

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I mean,

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we're a podcast of independent

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validators.

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There you go.

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Validator teams, validator teams.

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You would think after 114,

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we would get at least some.

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So as you can tell,

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it's only both Schultz and

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your server here on number 114 to start.

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I think it's going to be a

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full house by the end of this show.

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But for right now,

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it's just the two of us.

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And it's the two of us and

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the two of us who have no idea about

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either the intro, how to run the controls,

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anything.

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I mean, we're,

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we're really kept people in

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this situation.

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Like I'm,

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I'm surprised we actually have

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access to the buttons.

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That's kind of, I mean,

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I didn't have access for

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the longest time.

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I was just sent a link like a guest.

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I do remember that.

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I don't know why.

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I think there was a limit on

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the number of admins or

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something like that in StreamYard.

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And then I asked for it

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because I needed the

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recordings because I do all the,

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all the audio.

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And, um,

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And then I got that.

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And then Noel was in there,

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I think early on.

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And then,

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and then you were always a guest.

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Like somebody had to

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actually invite you every one, right?

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Cause I remember,

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I remember for like the

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first hundred episodes,

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the fray would actually put a link in,

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like, here you go.

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She'll see.

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Yeah.

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And I just be like, huh?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I guess I'll show up.

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Yeah.

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So welcome.

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Here we are.

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Two of us.

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With things to talk about, no less.

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Very important things to talk about.

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We do.

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We have some news.

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We can start with that.

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We can get some of that out

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of the way before our other cohorts,

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cohorts, cohorts,

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co-hosts and cohorts join.

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You and I had a busy week on

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a bunch of different things

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that happened this week, actually,

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with shit breaking and shit

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not breaking and unbreaking

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some shit on a bunch of test sets,

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which I think we could talk

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about a couple of those, I think.

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I don't see why not.

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Well,

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the initial one is a public testnet now,

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so we can talk about that for sure.

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That's true.

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Yeah,

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we've been having a lot of fun with a

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couple thousand nodes on a P2P network.

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Actually, no, like 12,000, 13,000.

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I should go see what it is right now.

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13,000 right now.

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Yeah, it doesn't work very well.

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So we could talk about that a little bit.

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We could talk about some of the news.

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I know before we started, we were,

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as usual, I should say,

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most of the best content on

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the show happens off stream.

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But we were talking,

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let's talk about Jacob.

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That's a good topic.

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We could burn some time with that.

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Yeah, let's talk about Jacob.

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So this week,

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and actually it's happened in

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the past as well, right?

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Oh, there we go.

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Okay, we're already up.

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We're already up three.

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Did you miss the start of that?

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It was an amazing start.

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We had no.

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Did you guys literally fuck

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me three minutes?

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So you,

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you fuck asked around for another

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five minutes after I left

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10 for 10 minutes.

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Almost.

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We were talking about a

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bunch of shit and then we realized,

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oh yeah,

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we should be on stream doing this.

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So what we were talking

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about actually before, while you left us,

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and then we were talking

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about Jacob and some of his

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stuff this week in terms of him, I think,

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trying to basically break Cosmos Chain.

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So I'm not sure exactly what

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he... Is he just spamming transactions?

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Do you know what's going on, Schultz?

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I don't know what he's doing

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to actually start locking things up.

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I've heard it described as a P2P flood.

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Oh,

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like he's finding endpoints and just

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flooding P2P channels?

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Well,

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he did also release the script for it.

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So let me,

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I can probably pull it up and

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just read it, see what it does.

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He has been doing this same

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thing for years.

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It has been right.

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I thought before it was,

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I thought there was some

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other stuff that was

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mempool based though.

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I thought it was like

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flooding the mempool or

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something else and like

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just shitload of fucking

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transactions and something would lock up.

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Or maybe, or maybe it was,

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maybe that's what it was.

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Maybe it was flooding

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transactions on a bunch of

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different validator

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endpoints that had RPCs

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open or something.

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which should not happen.

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So here's the funny thing

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about this to me.

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So what happens is, yeah,

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he's flooding endpoints to

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different networks to try

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and bring the networks down.

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There is a,

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I don't know if flaw is the right term,

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but there's an issue with

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Tendermint networks where

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if a node receives said transaction,

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it'll halt,

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but it won't do sort of

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indication it can't recover.

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It'll just stop itself.

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which sucks.

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And anyone that's running

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nodes that this happens to,

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all they have is a script

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that's running in monitors,

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and if it goes down, they just restart it,

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and it works fine.

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Ben Davis says,

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it's really long memos on IBC channels.

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Okay, interesting.

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I'm still trying to find the

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script for what he's actually doing here.

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Go ahead.

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In other words,

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he's finding different ways to show that

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not everything is done, right?

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There's more shit to do.

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And there's, there's issues here.

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And maybe those project

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teams don't want to handle that.

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Or maybe he's not getting

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the love he wants out of, out of whomever,

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right.

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In terms of,

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in terms of the creation of that.

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But the idea is that,

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that he's trying to create

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some sort of visibility to

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issues that he feels are

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not being taken seriously.

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Yeah.

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I think that's got a lot to do with it.

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And I,

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Like some of them carry some merit.

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Like I think one of them,

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I think it might be that

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IBC memo thing is enough to

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basically slow down the chain a lot.

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And I think people have used

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it in the past,

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these particular things

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that he's talking about to

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like slow down the chain

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and benefit commercially

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from some of the apps

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running on there by slowing it down.

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well so that's the funny

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part right is that he makes

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the claim that osmosis

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isn't affected by this but

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osmosis is the one that was

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affected by this originally

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right with I shouldn't say

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originally but go ahead

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well I think um yeah I

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think that there was an

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occasion where this was

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happening on osmosis I'm

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not sure if they patched it

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or not but this was

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happening and then there was

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I believe maybe that caused

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some issues with Levana.

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I might be talking out of turn.

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I can't really recall the exact situation.

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It was a while ago now.

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I'm not finding the script, by the way.

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I do remember him.

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Yeah, I remember him.

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Or at least he probably has a bunch,

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right?

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Is that in the Notional

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GitHub or maybe in his own?

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I'm looking at the Notional one right now,

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and I'm going to find his after that.

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So Ben says,

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I suppose this made the

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changes to make the attack more expensive,

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which makes sense.

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So this, so Jacob's post from, I guess,

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when was this?

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This was a couple of days ago yesterday.

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Today I stopped Archway from

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making blocks on a routine

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schedule for about 15 minutes.

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It took about 15 minutes to go 15 blocks.

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It would normally take 66 seconds.

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Attacks like these could be

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used to screw with oracles

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and mess up with other DeFi systems.

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I'm not sure about the oracle thing.

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I guess it depends on how

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the oracle is interacting, but yeah,

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it can clearly fuck things up.

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The key to preventing these

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attacks is actually test

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your own chain until you

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understand how it reacts under load.

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Every chain is unique.

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It will react in unique ways.

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And yeah, I mean, this should... Yeah,

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okay.

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I mean, I get it.

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I kind of don't mind a little of this.

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It's a little bit white hat, I guess,

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maybe if you want to say it.

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I don't know if it's that elegant.

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being able to shit on

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something that's in production and,

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and be able to,

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and be able to create

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issues that need to be solved.

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And as Ben said,

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osmosis may changes to make

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that attack more expensive

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and things like that.

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Like I kind of don't have a

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problem with that and maybe maintenance,

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not the best way, but,

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but if teams are ignoring

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it and there is things to be fixed and,

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and it's not necessarily harmful,

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like delaying a change for 15 minutes,

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doesn't seem to be that big of a deal.

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Um, I don't know,

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not like what's the problem.

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I think my problem with it is it's what,

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what exactly is the benefit of this?

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Like a lot of these things

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are already known, right?

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Like, yeah, we want them fixed,

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but do we want them fixed

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at the expense of the

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network being brought down

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and kind of like the,

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the bad press due to it.

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And it hasn't actually happened really.

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in production yet, as far as I'm aware.

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So there isn't even a tech

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threshold right now.

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Yeah.

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So.

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Yeah.

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I guess maybe,

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I guess maybe he feels that if he's,

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you know, if he's saying these,

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these are issues and he's

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not getting traction, then I don't know,

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maybe this,

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this is how he feels like he

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can get the traction that he wants.

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Yeah.

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Maybe.

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Which I, which I, again,

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I don't think really

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furthers his cause as much.

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I get it.

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But, but this is like the,

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This exact same scenario has

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happened a number of times now.

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Right.

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You know, it's a problem.

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Like people make noise for a

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couple of days,

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or he makes noise for a couple,

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and then it goes away for months.

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Right.

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And then he'll do it again.

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And then it's never getting fixed.

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I don't know if the

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developers see it as like a

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big problem or just a

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niggling itch type situation.

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Right.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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And I think I,

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and Robert just says he gets to be right.

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And I also think there, I mean, I mean,

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this process,

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this piece of it is definitely ego,

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right?

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Like if you want to solve it

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as an engineer,

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you would probably find

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multiple ways to be able to do that.

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Right.

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So I do agree with that.

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I think there's, there's a bunch of that,

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that, that goes in as well.

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Right.

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Um, but I mean, that's, that's,

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you kind of get that a little bit with,

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in this situation.

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Anyway, are we done with this topic?

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Yeah.

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Was this from the spreadsheet?

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It was.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, who asked, who are we talking about?

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We're talking about, uh, Jacob.

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Good Dacian.

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I think I have that right.

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I was pronounced as Gideon.

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Gideon Gideon.

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That's you're probably right.

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It's always in my head.

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So I really say it out loud that much.

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So, I mean,

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the partially interesting thing

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about this is that it does

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kind of apply to what

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We were talking about earlier with, um,

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with Anisha and, uh, you know,

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Tendermint has an issue

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with ingress on their nodes in some,

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some way, shape or form.

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I can't,

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I can't tell you exactly what the

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issue is,

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but when there's a bunch of

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nodes on the network,

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when there's been transactions coming in,

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Tendermint networks have a hard time,

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or I guess common BTF

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networks have a hard time

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coming to consensus.

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When that happens,

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then those just start to

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slow down and start to halt.

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Um, and.

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For what Kadikian is doing,

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he's just showing that it's

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a widespread issue.

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And then for an initia,

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there are 13,000 or some

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odd nodes on that network.

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And similarly, it slowed down.

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I can show you the last

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three days of block speeds,

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and it's just been kind of

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slowing down more and more and more.

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I can't tell you why,

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but there is something that

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probably should be looked at here.

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I assume it's, well,

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actually a number of nodes

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on Initia have somewhat, I think, stalled,

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right?

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Like,

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I don't think it's growing as early

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as much as it was in the past.

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Let me take a look real

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quick and see where we are.

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But I thought we were,

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it was actually at least slowing down.

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Let me look at scan.

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But yeah, we have seen that in the past,

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right?

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I mean, it just doesn't do well.

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I don't know, but with short block times,

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and,

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and this many nodes and the quality of

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those nodes and validators

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trying to communicate

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across 13,000 nodes to

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communicate some sort of, you know,

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there's 12,851 now that are inactive.

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Um,

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but communicating across that structure,

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I think makes it, it's just, it's just,

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I mean, and this is it's,

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it's just been brutal.

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You know what I mean?

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So,

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the one good news is like our,

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our signing percentage right now.

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Well, they, so today,

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and so yesterday we were

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all dealing with a bunch of

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issues with an issue,

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which was that there was, you know,

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13,000 nodes that are, that are at least,

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I don't know if they're all active,

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but whatever they are.

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And, um, we started to see anytime I,

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I had a few nodes that were, that were,

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um,

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communicating for Horcrux

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nodes and then they were

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sending out and all that

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kind of stuff was working fine.

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And I ended up rebooting one

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or restarting the service

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and I lost all my good

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peers and I got peered with

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God knows what.

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And my signing rate started

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to plummet significantly.

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And so just this morning, actually,

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The initial team, I think recognizing,

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maybe with your help too, Schultze,

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was that, hey,

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this PDP doesn't really

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work here 100% with 13,000

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nodes trying to communicate

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in one second block times

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or whatever it is.

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And so they started to do

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some really heavy private pairing,

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which was the idea that you

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basically try to shrink the

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validator set down where

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those validators are only

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communicating with each other.

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And then you'd have other

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nodes that were

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communicating out or right.

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Like we have other nodes that are,

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you see nodes that are communicating and,

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and then, so,

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so those other nodes can

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still get block data, obviously, but,

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but at least you're trying

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to reduce the number of

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hops between specific value, value nodes,

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not ideal.

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Right.

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But,

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but it does help with signing at least.

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And it does at least get us past this.

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I don't think it may net the

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idea of having 13 or 14,000

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nodes is realistic, but,

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but it's helped a lot in the last,

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in the last little bit here.

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We should try and get the

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initial folks on here so we

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can ask questions.

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I know there's this idea of a Minitia.

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Which is kind of like a

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scalable way of creating chains,

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like an L2 off of them.

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But I haven't seen a lot of

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discussion around them right now.

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And I know that it's one of

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their big selling points as an issue.

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I mean,

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it makes them another competitor to

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Saga and Dimension,

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which is very compelling to me,

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especially with an issue including Move.

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Right, right.

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I do love the idea of

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staking right to an LP.

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It's fucking cool.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, me too.

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It's fucking awesome.

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That's been really cool.

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The Jenny side I could do without,

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but whatever.

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I'm really surprised at the

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number of people that are

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involved on the end user side in TestNet.

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I'm not sure.

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Do you know what ecosystems

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that's probably pulling from?

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That's beyond Cosmos, right?

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Is that just pulling in move

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individuals and everything

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else that are getting involved in that?

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It just seems really large.

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to me.

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It is.

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It is for sure.

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At ETH Denver, there was a move event,

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and it was huge.

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It included the move foundation.

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There's a move team that

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just focuses on developing.

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Move labs?

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Is that what it is?

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I'll put the link.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that was probably,

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aside from the Barachain event,

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it was probably the most

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popular event that I

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attended at ETH Denver.

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Yeah.

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Which is great.

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Yeah.

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But for this test net,

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the first public test net, oh my God,

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it's been wild.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's, I mean, there's, I mean,

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each block is, each block is, well,

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right now it's a little bit less,

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but before it was two to

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300 transactions a block

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consistently with a huge mempool.

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And, and yeah, it was,

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and I think there were

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about one second right now.

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It looks like about two second blocks,

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plus or minus something like that.

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Depends on what's going on.

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Yeah.

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So I lost a lot of my block

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history because I reset the nodes.

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But if I look back in the last two days,

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for a while,

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I was sitting at 5,000 blocks

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in my mempool just kind of constantly.

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I'll post a link to my

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public dashboard so people can see it.

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That's cool.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's been crazy.

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So I mean, right now I'm saying 100%,

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which has never happened on this testnet,

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I don't think.

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And so,

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and I think with the reduced

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validator set,

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now they're somewhat better,

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better peered.

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And now they even the stake

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out a little bit too,

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because before it was,

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it was a little bit ugly

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and trying to get like a

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smaller number of

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validators that are a

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little bit more equal.

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And I think that's helped

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out a lot as well.

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So it's doing a little bit better.

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It's, I mean, again,

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like it's not the most

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This is not the most

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diversified set in the universe, right?

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But at least for this

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testnet and with the number

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of people involved and some

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of the incentivizes, hey,

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run a node and do this stuff.

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And so people like in the

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validator channel, there's, I mean,

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just a shitload of people

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that are just trying to

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figure out how to run nodes,

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which is totally fine.

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Like, I get it.

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Like, it's cool.

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But that also- Tis the point of a testnet,

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right?

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I don't know.

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Is it to run a node?

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no to to like if you you

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know if you have interest

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then yeah that's where you

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do it you don't you know

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you don't want people

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yoloing into to mainnets

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all over the place but

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Yeah.

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Like, you know, that's,

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that is part of the reason

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for test nets is for people

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to learn and it's, you know, it's a new,

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it's a new thing.

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That's true.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And I really,

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I enjoy what they're doing in

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order to introduce, um, initiate itself.

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I'll pull up the,

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the Jenny thing so people

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can play around with it.

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Jenny is like,

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there are these steps that you can do to,

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uh, create an NFT and they are, um,

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pretty cool.

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I think you'll like them.

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Yeah.

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keeping that thing alive

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though I know that thing's

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going to die on me because

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you have to feed it every

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week or something and I

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know that's not me man like

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a Tamagotchi it's a total

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Tamagotchi you got to earn

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XP to get food to feed the

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thing there's no fucking

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way this thing's dead I

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need like automation I

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can't have manual tasks

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literally how many manual

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tasks do I do I can't add

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more to keep this thing alive

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Hey, man, you can make a bash script.

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You can be a bash kitty.

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Maybe.

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No, because all the XP,

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you have to do little adventures.

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Go stake this.

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Go do this.

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Go do that.

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Do that.

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Maybe I could do some of that.

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AI.

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AI.

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Well, actually, now that you said that,

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one of the cool little sites,

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which actually we talked about internally,

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which is within the initial...

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I'll put some of the,

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you guys can mess with this too,

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for folks who are

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interested in within the initial app,

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which is app.testnet.initia.xyz.

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There is a NFT AI thing called init AI,

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which is init-ai.testnet.initia.xyz,

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which is pretty fun.

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So they have different collections.

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You can create a collection

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and basically you pick a

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theme and then it just

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basically you pay a minting

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fee and it basically takes

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an idea and shoves it into

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whatever chat GPT,

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where the hell is behind this?

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I have no idea.

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And it basically creates a

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unique NFT and then it gets

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assigned to that collection.

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And you obviously own that NFT.

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So there's a shitload of

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collections in there.

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It's kind of an interesting idea.

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It'd be interesting to take this.

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This is a little bit too wide open,

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but it's a really cool idea

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to figure out and do more with.

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So there's some fun

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collections in there and

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there's some kind of cool stuff.

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Yeah,

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I'm really enjoying what the initial

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team is doing.

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Yeah, I think this is them too, right?

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Because we looked at a couple.

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Yeah, this is the initiative.

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How long has this testnet

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been running for?

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Ooh, not long at all.

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A week?

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Like a week, maybe?

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Yeah, something like that.

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Maybe a week.

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Yeah.

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Looks like I'll have to YOLO into that.

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You should get it.

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I'm sure I'm too late, but yeah.

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I just joined their Discord

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while you were talking.

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I've heard it mentioned a

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couple of times by the squad, but I just,

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you know,

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have been busy with other things, so.

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Yeah.

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You can't do them all.

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Yeah.

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And it's hard to always know which,

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which networks to join.

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Right.

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Like that, that's the difficult thing.

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It's impossible.

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Um, but I think that initial is a,

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is a good one to try and get into.

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I think that,

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I think especially just like

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interact with the team themselves,

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cuz you know, I've,

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I've a direct line with them.

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Very smart, fun to interact with.

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Mm-hmm they don't mess around.

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They're great.

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Yeah.

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And they're open to feedback.

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I think that's the one thing

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that I appreciate the most

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is that if I see something going on,

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like I'm like, Hey,

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this is what's going on.

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This is what I think the

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solution should be.

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And they're like, okay, great.

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We'll look into it.

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And then typically within a few hours,

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they're like, okay,

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so we looked into this and

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here are a couple options

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we can actually address it with.

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Love that from a team.

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I love that team is open to

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feedback and are willing to make changes.

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Even whenever it doesn't necessarily,

00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:43.598
won't necessarily improve

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the experience that much,

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but just knowing that

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someone cares enough to

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message that they think

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it's important enough to address.

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I love it.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I agree.

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Like I've seen that in the

00:21:53.709 --> 00:21:54.288
valve channel too.

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Right.

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Cause I think, I think the,

00:21:56.250 --> 00:21:58.991
the aspect of some of these settings,

00:21:59.051 --> 00:21:59.932
I think that the tenement

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knowledge is still growing.

00:22:01.133 --> 00:22:01.313
Right.

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Maybe.

00:22:01.573 --> 00:22:02.913
And there's so much layers of,

00:22:03.453 --> 00:22:04.734
of all these types of things,

00:22:04.775 --> 00:22:06.576
but I agree.

00:22:06.615 --> 00:22:07.317
Like just being able to

00:22:07.336 --> 00:22:08.217
listen to that feedback and

00:22:08.237 --> 00:22:09.657
like take some ideas or

00:22:09.778 --> 00:22:10.378
here's what we think we

00:22:10.398 --> 00:22:11.138
want to be able to do or

00:22:11.179 --> 00:22:12.180
try these settings changes

00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:13.640
or other types of things

00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:14.361
has been really cool,

00:22:15.422 --> 00:22:16.301
which doesn't actually happen.

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We were in another test net where like,

00:22:18.663 --> 00:22:21.244
where it's kind of like, I don't know.

00:22:22.713 --> 00:22:23.213
don't say it.

00:22:27.438 --> 00:22:28.358
It's a bit like,

00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.121
don't say the inside words on the outside,

00:22:31.141 --> 00:22:31.201
man.

00:22:32.781 --> 00:22:33.742
It's a bit like good luck

00:22:34.423 --> 00:22:35.384
and we're watching.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Don't say it.

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It's been a bastard of a few

00:22:45.853 --> 00:22:48.315
weeks for certain things.

00:22:50.297 --> 00:22:51.438
What, what have, uh,

00:22:52.038 --> 00:22:53.039
What a change is happening

00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:54.099
around the place, isn't there?

00:22:55.381 --> 00:22:55.580
Yeah,

00:22:55.601 --> 00:22:56.602
there's a lot of tension in the

00:22:56.642 --> 00:22:57.501
market right now, it seems.

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Both in just networks as

00:23:00.624 --> 00:23:01.664
well as the market.

00:23:03.266 --> 00:23:05.866
Yeah, I think, I think like,

00:23:06.386 --> 00:23:08.588
I feel like there's a lot

00:23:08.608 --> 00:23:09.628
of stress floating around.

00:23:09.669 --> 00:23:12.770
I think, I think a lot of people sort of,

00:23:13.330 --> 00:23:13.652
you know,

00:23:13.932 --> 00:23:16.333
did it tough during the bear

00:23:16.512 --> 00:23:17.354
market and then

00:23:18.509 --> 00:23:19.611
We're seeing some light at

00:23:19.651 --> 00:23:21.332
the end of a tunnel when the,

00:23:21.633 --> 00:23:23.273
when the markets rallied a little bit,

00:23:23.594 --> 00:23:24.974
saw a lot of enthusiasm

00:23:25.015 --> 00:23:26.215
come back and people come

00:23:26.256 --> 00:23:27.958
back out of the woodwork validators.

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You haven't seen post in fucking 10 years,

00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:31.401
start posting.

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And then it all sort of stalled.

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And I think everyone's like, fuck,

00:23:35.884 --> 00:23:36.944
I hope that was not it

00:23:37.224 --> 00:23:38.226
because we're deep in the

00:23:38.246 --> 00:23:43.931
hole and I'm like manage your finances,

00:23:43.971 --> 00:23:44.250
man.

00:23:45.211 --> 00:23:47.433
It's uh, yeah, look,

00:23:48.410 --> 00:23:50.771
I mean, hopefully that wasn't it, but no,

00:23:51.251 --> 00:23:51.813
if it isn't.

00:23:52.252 --> 00:23:53.013
It's been a bit of a slow

00:23:53.034 --> 00:23:54.494
slide since that Ethereum

00:23:54.494 --> 00:23:56.195
30% jump or whatever it was.

00:23:58.698 --> 00:23:58.778
Oh,

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the one like a couple of days ago with

00:24:00.679 --> 00:24:03.201
the news on the ETF?

00:24:03.761 --> 00:24:03.942
Yeah.

00:24:04.201 --> 00:24:04.501
Yeah.

00:24:05.323 --> 00:24:06.002
Well, I mean,

00:24:06.042 --> 00:24:07.304
they were saying it was going

00:24:07.324 --> 00:24:08.545
to get approved yesterday, right?

00:24:08.845 --> 00:24:09.185
I'm like, ah,

00:24:09.385 --> 00:24:10.606
it's going to get approved

00:24:10.826 --> 00:24:11.567
and then fuck it.

00:24:12.147 --> 00:24:12.627
I didn't hear that.

00:24:12.868 --> 00:24:14.730
Yeah, well, that was why.

00:24:14.750 --> 00:24:16.852
I believe that's why it jumped like...

00:24:17.882 --> 00:24:25.353
20, 30%.

00:24:18.041 --> 00:24:22.509
There's speculation that, you know,

00:24:22.528 --> 00:24:23.750
because of the election and

00:24:23.770 --> 00:24:25.353
everything coming up over in the States.

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And I think,

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I think Trump's come out and said that,

00:24:33.185 --> 00:24:34.926
you know, this is gleaning,

00:24:35.267 --> 00:24:37.308
not too into American politics,

00:24:37.348 --> 00:24:39.470
but I believe Trump came out as like,

00:24:40.250 --> 00:24:40.490
you know,

00:24:40.971 --> 00:24:43.152
in support of crypto as part of his,

00:24:44.753 --> 00:24:45.753
you know, campaign.

00:24:46.094 --> 00:24:48.056
And then I think the current

00:24:48.115 --> 00:24:49.977
administration have gone, oh, fuck, well,

00:24:50.737 --> 00:24:52.258
that seems like a popular move.

00:24:52.278 --> 00:24:53.459
So maybe we had better be

00:24:53.538 --> 00:24:55.019
like less fuck you crypto.

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And so I believe that then

00:24:58.102 --> 00:25:00.423
there was like speculation that I'll,

00:25:01.396 --> 00:25:03.377
Gary G was gonna do some

00:25:03.417 --> 00:25:05.038
backflips and start approving stuff,

00:25:05.579 --> 00:25:06.961
but maybe not.

00:25:06.980 --> 00:25:07.540
I don't know.

00:25:08.301 --> 00:25:10.522
And there was speaking of an election.

00:25:10.603 --> 00:25:11.804
This is totally unrelated,

00:25:11.844 --> 00:25:12.483
but I thought I'd share,

00:25:12.523 --> 00:25:13.384
cuz I think it's really funny.

00:25:13.724 --> 00:25:15.645
So I live in Oregon and

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Oregon's kind of divided

00:25:16.646 --> 00:25:17.688
into two sections like

00:25:17.708 --> 00:25:19.648
Western Oregon and Eastern Oregon.

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Eastern Oregon has very few

00:25:20.710 --> 00:25:21.289
people living there.

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Western Oregon has like 99%

00:25:23.531 --> 00:25:24.172
of the population.

00:25:24.760 --> 00:25:28.242
Well, Eastern Oregon is next to Idaho,

00:25:28.323 --> 00:25:29.123
and they just voted to

00:25:29.163 --> 00:25:31.084
secede and join Idaho to

00:25:31.124 --> 00:25:32.204
become Greater Idaho.

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I just saw that happen.

00:25:36.446 --> 00:25:37.126
I just saw that.

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Crook County on its way to

00:25:38.208 --> 00:25:39.388
become the 13th county in

00:25:39.449 --> 00:25:40.308
Oregon to vote for

00:25:40.909 --> 00:25:43.109
succession and join Idaho.

00:25:43.250 --> 00:25:44.310
The yes is leading 53% to 47%.

00:25:44.431 --> 00:25:44.510
Yeah.

00:25:44.550 --> 00:25:45.251
What's the advantage of...

00:25:50.171 --> 00:25:51.271
Why join Idaho?

00:25:51.392 --> 00:25:53.472
What's the... Idaho is

00:25:53.692 --> 00:25:54.773
significantly more

00:25:54.874 --> 00:25:56.315
conservative than Oregon.

00:25:58.135 --> 00:25:59.336
And so they feel like Idaho

00:25:59.356 --> 00:26:00.817
better represents their interests.

00:26:02.057 --> 00:26:02.699
I mean, there's like...

00:26:03.634 --> 00:26:05.036
It's a very half-baked idea.

00:26:05.056 --> 00:26:06.857
One of the biggest

00:26:06.877 --> 00:26:09.681
complaints is the services

00:26:09.701 --> 00:26:12.042
they receive from Oregon in general,

00:26:12.124 --> 00:26:13.625
which is quite a bit.

00:26:13.904 --> 00:26:16.647
But Idaho's minimum wage, for one,

00:26:16.708 --> 00:26:18.329
is much lower than Oregon's.

00:26:18.549 --> 00:26:19.530
So then suddenly,

00:26:19.730 --> 00:26:20.592
most people work in minimum

00:26:20.652 --> 00:26:22.032
wage in Crook County and

00:26:22.073 --> 00:26:23.315
the other eastern Oregon counties.

00:26:24.095 --> 00:26:25.895
And so like their pay cut

00:26:25.935 --> 00:26:26.896
will suddenly happen.

00:26:26.957 --> 00:26:28.037
Suddenly they'll pay more in

00:26:28.298 --> 00:26:29.198
taxes because Idaho has

00:26:29.278 --> 00:26:31.578
higher property taxes and sales taxes.

00:26:31.659 --> 00:26:32.140
And like,

00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:32.799
there's all these different

00:26:32.819 --> 00:26:33.961
things that just add up to like,

00:26:34.701 --> 00:26:35.842
boys is half baked.

00:26:36.481 --> 00:26:38.883
But also like, why would Oregon give up,

00:26:39.844 --> 00:26:41.865
you know, 70% of their landmass?

00:26:42.865 --> 00:26:43.445
It's so funny, dude.

00:26:45.346 --> 00:26:46.967
And it's all because it's

00:26:46.987 --> 00:26:49.729
all because of minimum wage, basically.

00:26:51.693 --> 00:26:52.493
Not because of minimum wage.

00:26:52.554 --> 00:26:53.515
I think more just has to do

00:26:53.535 --> 00:26:54.115
with the politics.

00:26:54.795 --> 00:26:55.575
But the funny part too is

00:26:55.615 --> 00:26:57.276
that Idaho has banned abortions.

00:26:57.336 --> 00:26:58.415
And so a lot of

00:26:58.675 --> 00:27:01.237
gynecologists have left to join Oregon.

00:27:01.336 --> 00:27:02.157
And so a lot of people from

00:27:02.258 --> 00:27:04.057
Idaho go to Oregon to go to

00:27:04.097 --> 00:27:05.598
like their gynecologist appointments.

00:27:05.979 --> 00:27:08.279
And so then if they then joined,

00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:11.461
if part of Oregon joined Idaho,

00:27:11.681 --> 00:27:12.740
then they'd have to go even further.

00:27:12.800 --> 00:27:13.540
And it's just, God.

00:27:14.561 --> 00:27:17.222
They just completely banned abortions?

00:27:17.923 --> 00:27:18.063
Yeah.

00:27:19.035 --> 00:27:20.096
I find it hard to believe

00:27:20.115 --> 00:27:21.616
that across a country

00:27:21.636 --> 00:27:22.877
there's all these different

00:27:23.598 --> 00:27:24.799
laws regarding that kind of

00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:26.560
stuff in the same country.

00:27:27.082 --> 00:27:27.602
That was the whole thing.

00:27:27.622 --> 00:27:32.346
There used to be a federal

00:27:32.385 --> 00:27:35.647
ban and they repealed that.

00:27:35.728 --> 00:27:38.069
Now they push it down to the states.

00:27:38.089 --> 00:27:39.530
The states can make their

00:27:39.550 --> 00:27:40.852
own decisions associated with that,

00:27:40.912 --> 00:27:43.253
which means the doctors in those states,

00:27:44.295 --> 00:27:44.434
the

00:27:46.071 --> 00:27:47.313
the population that state

00:27:48.013 --> 00:27:49.836
like basically starts to

00:27:49.895 --> 00:27:51.198
decide what's going to happen.

00:27:51.698 --> 00:27:55.522
So it's, uh, it's really, I mean,

00:27:57.054 --> 00:27:59.316
it becomes, yeah, it can, I mean,

00:27:59.576 --> 00:28:01.538
and like state sovereignty,

00:28:01.738 --> 00:28:02.838
like I'm not against that idea.

00:28:02.979 --> 00:28:04.559
Like, and I'm not saying for this,

00:28:04.700 --> 00:28:05.621
this specific topic,

00:28:05.661 --> 00:28:07.242
but the idea that states

00:28:07.343 --> 00:28:08.163
might have different

00:28:08.182 --> 00:28:09.163
structures in terms of that,

00:28:09.304 --> 00:28:10.846
that meet their own needs.

00:28:10.965 --> 00:28:11.566
It's kind of what this

00:28:11.605 --> 00:28:12.567
country is built on.

00:28:12.626 --> 00:28:13.268
So I don't really have

00:28:13.347 --> 00:28:14.269
necessarily a problem with that.

00:28:14.749 --> 00:28:15.028
And these,

00:28:15.088 --> 00:28:16.190
like these guys in Eastern

00:28:16.250 --> 00:28:17.310
Oregon wanted to make that this,

00:28:17.550 --> 00:28:19.333
make that change, like good luck to you,

00:28:19.472 --> 00:28:20.834
like vote for it and see what happens,

00:28:20.894 --> 00:28:21.034
right?

00:28:21.153 --> 00:28:21.694
Like there's,

00:28:21.815 --> 00:28:23.096
there's nothing that says the

00:28:23.195 --> 00:28:23.756
lines can't move.

00:28:24.636 --> 00:28:26.157
And maybe the grass is always greener,

00:28:26.178 --> 00:28:26.978
right?

00:28:27.657 --> 00:28:29.378
But some things I do think

00:28:29.398 --> 00:28:30.720
that there are some federal

00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:31.839
things that should be in place.

00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.362
And there's both from a

00:28:34.382 --> 00:28:35.182
finance perspective and

00:28:35.201 --> 00:28:35.882
other types of things I

00:28:35.902 --> 00:28:37.262
think are important.

00:28:37.343 --> 00:28:38.923
And so I don't know.

00:28:39.044 --> 00:28:40.763
It's a weird balance here in the U.S.

00:28:41.305 --> 00:28:41.744
with that stuff.

00:28:42.836 --> 00:28:43.096
It is.

00:28:43.236 --> 00:28:44.757
And Idaho specifically has

00:28:44.836 --> 00:28:45.757
one of the more stringent

00:28:45.896 --> 00:28:47.377
rules around abortion, um,

00:28:47.798 --> 00:28:49.157
out of the abortion banning states.

00:28:50.018 --> 00:28:50.979
Um, like the way,

00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:51.838
the way they've addressed

00:28:51.919 --> 00:28:54.220
it is abortion is basically banned.

00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:55.279
And if there's any sort of

00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.340
like whiff of abortion, um, be that, uh,

00:28:58.701 --> 00:28:59.882
like a pap smear that goes wrong,

00:29:00.362 --> 00:29:01.501
then the doctors are

00:29:01.721 --> 00:29:02.782
personally held liable.

00:29:03.722 --> 00:29:04.442
So that's why a lot of

00:29:04.482 --> 00:29:05.462
doctors have been leaving

00:29:05.563 --> 00:29:07.064
Idaho because they're like, well,

00:29:08.836 --> 00:29:09.597
I don't want to put up with that.

00:29:10.097 --> 00:29:11.038
So yeah.

00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:12.079
Yeah.

00:29:12.460 --> 00:29:12.759
Not good.

00:29:17.003 --> 00:29:22.107
So back on the pump, I think,

00:29:22.307 --> 00:29:23.689
I think it's a better topic for sure.

00:29:24.128 --> 00:29:24.289
Yeah.

00:29:24.309 --> 00:29:25.130
So yeah, hopefully, you know,

00:29:31.262 --> 00:29:32.703
Hopefully there's some more

00:29:32.804 --> 00:29:34.824
traction in that regard and those things.

00:29:35.704 --> 00:29:37.506
Maybe we see some more market.

00:29:37.945 --> 00:29:39.586
I still think that I talk

00:29:39.605 --> 00:29:40.567
about this previously.

00:29:40.807 --> 00:29:41.567
I still don't think we've

00:29:41.586 --> 00:29:43.067
seen like the catalyst we

00:29:43.107 --> 00:29:45.108
need to get this ship

00:29:45.608 --> 00:29:46.949
moving for like this

00:29:47.048 --> 00:29:48.990
particular harveting.

00:29:49.670 --> 00:29:50.371
Yeah, agreed.

00:29:50.711 --> 00:29:51.790
Just, I don't know,

00:29:52.090 --> 00:29:52.811
probably just going to end

00:29:52.872 --> 00:29:57.012
up a bag holder like last bull market.

00:29:58.834 --> 00:30:00.634
Take all that shit going to my grave.

00:30:01.888 --> 00:30:02.128
I mean,

00:30:02.368 --> 00:30:04.570
Bitcoin's pushing 70,000 right now.

00:30:05.631 --> 00:30:06.771
Still, it's like right there.

00:30:06.791 --> 00:30:07.553
It's holding on.

00:30:07.653 --> 00:30:09.114
Still bumping off ATH.

00:30:09.653 --> 00:30:11.055
Yeah, it's all the... It is.

00:30:11.154 --> 00:30:17.959
It's all the altcoins that... I mean,

00:30:18.420 --> 00:30:19.539
it's still back up around 3750.

00:30:19.539 --> 00:30:19.500
3750?

00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:20.760
3770?

00:30:20.320 --> 00:30:20.760
Yeah.

00:30:21.321 --> 00:30:23.962
I mean, it's holding them.

00:30:24.002 --> 00:30:25.284
It was up at... What was it?

00:30:25.344 --> 00:30:25.683
Was it over?

00:30:25.904 --> 00:30:27.305
Did it peak 4K or no?

00:30:27.526 --> 00:30:28.066
I don't think so, right?

00:30:28.976 --> 00:30:32.018
It crested 4K earlier this year, yeah.

00:30:32.077 --> 00:30:33.098
Oh, not this week.

00:30:33.378 --> 00:30:33.838
Not this week.

00:30:33.939 --> 00:30:34.480
Not this week.

00:30:34.500 --> 00:30:35.359
No, no, no.

00:30:36.760 --> 00:30:40.044
That was about the ATH was, well, you know,

00:30:40.703 --> 00:30:42.565
the recent high was about 4K.

00:30:43.546 --> 00:30:44.846
Yeah, I'm surprised.

00:30:45.748 --> 00:30:46.548
It seems to be running in

00:30:46.607 --> 00:30:50.510
step with Bitcoin, more or less.

00:30:51.499 --> 00:30:51.959
Well, I mean,

00:30:53.038 --> 00:30:54.539
it wasn't until this news now.

00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.279
And then now, I mean, year to date,

00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:57.839
it might be now.

00:30:57.900 --> 00:30:59.080
But yeah, I agree.

00:30:59.121 --> 00:30:59.921
The alts are not really

00:30:59.961 --> 00:31:01.721
holding on the same level, right?

00:31:02.921 --> 00:31:04.001
I don't know why my shit

00:31:04.041 --> 00:31:04.981
coins aren't pumping.

00:31:05.021 --> 00:31:06.061
That's a bit disappointing.

00:31:11.403 --> 00:31:12.722
Surefire way to make sure

00:31:12.762 --> 00:31:14.023
your project won't proceed.

00:31:14.983 --> 00:31:15.864
Let me buy some of it.

00:31:18.083 --> 00:31:18.442
Let's see.

00:31:18.923 --> 00:31:19.824
The stuff that we run,

00:31:19.903 --> 00:31:21.003
exciting stuff coming.

00:31:24.266 --> 00:31:25.465
Say V2 is Monday.

00:31:26.246 --> 00:31:26.826
That's something.

00:31:28.646 --> 00:31:29.688
Bunch of new projects launching.

00:31:30.448 --> 00:31:30.688
Yeah,

00:31:30.948 --> 00:31:36.490
the Say V2 upgrade and with it new

00:31:36.529 --> 00:31:38.471
applications and hype, I suppose.

00:31:38.490 --> 00:31:38.590
Yeah.

00:31:39.207 --> 00:31:40.987
step one yeah correct step

00:31:41.047 --> 00:31:42.167
one is monday so that'll be

00:31:42.188 --> 00:31:44.948
good um three phases right

00:31:45.587 --> 00:31:46.548
three phases yeah I

00:31:46.587 --> 00:31:47.147
couldn't tell you what I

00:31:47.167 --> 00:31:48.068
couldn't tell you what they

00:31:48.088 --> 00:31:49.388
are but I know this first

00:31:49.449 --> 00:31:52.528
one is the upgrade um step

00:31:52.648 --> 00:31:55.509
one step one exactly the

00:31:55.529 --> 00:31:56.690
rest of them seem to be not

00:31:56.750 --> 00:31:58.029
involving me but yeah the

00:31:58.049 --> 00:31:58.750
step one was definitely

00:31:58.789 --> 00:32:00.391
that uh that'll be cool

00:32:00.411 --> 00:32:01.131
there's I mean there's a

00:32:01.171 --> 00:32:02.010
bunch of new stuff that's

00:32:02.090 --> 00:32:04.451
launching um there's this

00:32:04.912 --> 00:32:05.531
we can talk about maybe

00:32:05.571 --> 00:32:07.011
more next week after we get past it but

00:32:07.988 --> 00:32:08.867
Um, that's exciting.

00:32:09.048 --> 00:32:10.108
So that'll, that'll be cool.

00:32:10.229 --> 00:32:11.568
I'm not sure if it really

00:32:11.608 --> 00:32:13.809
does anything to price at all.

00:32:13.829 --> 00:32:15.009
Cause it seems like, again,

00:32:15.029 --> 00:32:16.009
it might be more step three

00:32:16.029 --> 00:32:16.529
and beyond that.

00:32:16.730 --> 00:32:17.611
That's something with that, but,

00:32:18.570 --> 00:32:18.971
but whatever,

00:32:20.010 --> 00:32:21.571
not to really necessarily

00:32:21.592 --> 00:32:22.132
concerned about that.

00:32:24.112 --> 00:32:26.913
You know, something completely unrelated.

00:32:27.173 --> 00:32:30.334
So working the last couple of days on, uh,

00:32:31.013 --> 00:32:34.434
updating some monitoring and, uh, man,

00:32:34.654 --> 00:32:36.915
I did not realize how fast Solana was.

00:32:39.115 --> 00:32:41.497
In terms of like blocks per second speed,

00:32:41.576 --> 00:32:43.377
it's actually pretty fast.

00:32:44.159 --> 00:32:44.479
Yeah.

00:32:45.598 --> 00:32:47.539
No wonder it's like jamming

00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:48.560
the hardware pretty hard.

00:32:50.102 --> 00:32:51.241
Um, yep.

00:32:51.702 --> 00:32:52.583
Two and a half blocks a second.

00:32:52.623 --> 00:32:52.762
Right.

00:32:52.843 --> 00:32:53.584
Is that what it is?

00:32:53.604 --> 00:32:53.784
400 miles.

00:32:53.844 --> 00:32:55.454
It's let's say it's like say 300,

00:32:55.454 --> 00:32:56.724
400 milliseconds.

00:32:57.204 --> 00:33:00.747
Yeah, probably about, about that too.

00:33:01.007 --> 00:33:02.048
I'd say probably closer to

00:33:02.067 --> 00:33:03.067
two blocks per second.

00:33:03.788 --> 00:33:03.989
Yeah.

00:33:05.250 --> 00:33:07.431
Um, according to my monitoring,

00:33:07.451 --> 00:33:08.050
but you know,

00:33:08.406 --> 00:33:09.748
fucking yeah oh you mean the

00:33:09.807 --> 00:33:10.407
monitor you just created

00:33:10.428 --> 00:33:12.409
like 10 minutes ago yeah

00:33:13.670 --> 00:33:14.710
the one I uploaded 10

00:33:14.710 --> 00:33:15.810
minutes ago I created it

00:33:15.830 --> 00:33:17.612
yesterday oh okay I'm gonna

00:33:17.711 --> 00:33:20.913
pull it in yeah so oh we

00:33:20.972 --> 00:33:23.054
all made it let's get in

00:33:23.074 --> 00:33:24.954
there hey there we go

00:33:25.515 --> 00:33:28.217
what's happening yeah I

00:33:28.237 --> 00:33:31.198
don't recommend hospital uh

00:33:31.438 --> 00:33:32.278
that's the hot news

00:33:34.644 --> 00:33:36.506
Isn't that always the recommendation?

00:33:36.526 --> 00:33:38.987
That's a standing recommendation of just,

00:33:39.027 --> 00:33:39.587
like, don't.

00:33:40.008 --> 00:33:40.647
Try not to.

00:33:40.728 --> 00:33:42.888
I mean, I have to say, yeah,

00:33:43.009 --> 00:33:44.970
it's kind of obvious in hindsight,

00:33:44.990 --> 00:33:45.851
isn't it?

00:33:47.290 --> 00:33:47.632
Yeah.

00:33:48.152 --> 00:33:49.573
Yeah, no.

00:33:51.432 --> 00:33:54.234
That was a trying evening.

00:33:55.394 --> 00:33:56.576
But everybody is okay,

00:33:56.635 --> 00:33:57.537
and everything is fine.

00:33:57.856 --> 00:34:01.618
So... How's everybody doing?

00:34:02.058 --> 00:34:02.818
You get to sit in your futon.

00:34:05.259 --> 00:34:07.279
Join Game and Nodes.

00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:12.501
I probably look like a husk of a man,

00:34:12.762 --> 00:34:13.222
and I am.

00:34:13.603 --> 00:34:16.403
And I've just got a bag of sweets here,

00:34:16.983 --> 00:34:19.085
and we'll see how long I last.

00:34:19.405 --> 00:34:21.306
And then I'm going to go to bed.

00:34:22.606 --> 00:34:23.867
Let's see.

00:34:23.887 --> 00:34:25.248
We've covered Jacob.

00:34:25.967 --> 00:34:26.849
Say it again, Chelsea.

00:34:28.108 --> 00:34:28.469
Gaddikian?

00:34:28.528 --> 00:34:29.369
I say Gaddikian.

00:34:30.010 --> 00:34:30.429
Gaddikian.

00:34:30.570 --> 00:34:31.090
I think that's right.

00:34:31.451 --> 00:34:32.150
I think I might be right.

00:34:32.791 --> 00:34:33.552
It might be like, yeah.

00:34:36.003 --> 00:34:37.505
Who works at Quasar, right?

00:34:39.465 --> 00:34:39.826
That's right.

00:34:40.527 --> 00:34:40.947
Quasar?

00:34:44.409 --> 00:34:45.809
Yeah, we talked about Jacob a little bit.

00:34:45.829 --> 00:34:46.130
Does he?

00:34:46.891 --> 00:34:47.130
No.

00:34:47.510 --> 00:34:47.871
No, no.

00:34:47.891 --> 00:34:50.512
We're just talking about pronunciation.

00:34:51.753 --> 00:34:53.253
God damn it.

00:34:53.313 --> 00:34:54.655
Explain the jokes on show.

00:34:57.677 --> 00:34:58.398
He's still around?

00:34:58.458 --> 00:35:00.398
He hasn't just gone quietly

00:35:00.438 --> 00:35:00.998
into the night?

00:35:01.318 --> 00:35:02.480
No, he's coming back.

00:35:02.619 --> 00:35:03.360
It's time to circle back

00:35:03.380 --> 00:35:04.481
around on this topic to see

00:35:04.581 --> 00:35:05.402
what you think about it.

00:35:06.132 --> 00:35:08.032
So a couple days ago,

00:35:08.552 --> 00:35:10.592
Gidikian did a denial of

00:35:10.632 --> 00:35:12.072
service attack on a couple of chains.

00:35:12.112 --> 00:35:13.293
I know Archway and Territory

00:35:13.393 --> 00:35:14.414
as a minimum too,

00:35:14.974 --> 00:35:15.954
but basically he just

00:35:15.974 --> 00:35:16.994
brought them down to show

00:35:17.034 --> 00:35:18.014
that they could be brought down.

00:35:19.153 --> 00:35:20.215
Slowed them down?

00:35:20.755 --> 00:35:23.054
Slowed them down.

00:35:23.894 --> 00:35:25.414
Slowed them down is probably more correct.

00:35:27.235 --> 00:35:28.775
To show either A,

00:35:29.295 --> 00:35:30.815
the importance of fixing it, or B,

00:35:31.177 --> 00:35:32.016
how important he is.

00:35:33.016 --> 00:35:33.577
Not sure which.

00:35:35.273 --> 00:35:35.434
Well,

00:35:35.474 --> 00:35:39.117
I saw your Twitter account had a bit

00:35:39.137 --> 00:35:40.818
of a skirmish, Schiltzy.

00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:42.179
Oh, did it?

00:35:42.260 --> 00:35:43.041
Ooh, I'll look it up.

00:35:43.902 --> 00:35:44.121
Yeah.

00:35:44.561 --> 00:35:44.782
Yeah?

00:35:46.224 --> 00:35:49.527
Whoever's running that, yeah,

00:35:49.547 --> 00:35:50.748
was having a light skirmish.

00:35:51.969 --> 00:35:53.849
Oh, man, Erdemit can put down some heat.

00:35:54.170 --> 00:35:55.010
It's great, yeah.

00:35:55.030 --> 00:35:57.492
It sounds like Erdemit.

00:35:58.775 --> 00:35:59.215
That's funny.

00:36:01.327 --> 00:36:02.206
yeah we talked about that we

00:36:02.586 --> 00:36:03.188
uh let's see we talked

00:36:03.208 --> 00:36:07.588
about a little uh crypto I

00:36:07.608 --> 00:36:08.668
don't know regulation

00:36:09.829 --> 00:36:10.929
abortion we hit all the

00:36:10.949 --> 00:36:13.269
major topics honestly oh

00:36:13.489 --> 00:36:15.130
crypto regulation is that

00:36:15.329 --> 00:36:17.030
was that the one yeah we

00:36:17.050 --> 00:36:18.570
did hey so like you know

00:36:18.610 --> 00:36:19.471
last week on the show I was

00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:20.371
like oh there's a bunch of

00:36:20.411 --> 00:36:21.172
people talking about how

00:36:21.192 --> 00:36:21.972
it's going to change here I

00:36:21.992 --> 00:36:23.452
was like why the fuck does

00:36:23.492 --> 00:36:25.592
anybody care there is about to be

00:36:28.007 --> 00:36:29.208
the current government is in

00:36:29.248 --> 00:36:31.668
a plane flying directly into a mountain,

00:36:32.108 --> 00:36:33.409
why do you care what they think?

00:36:34.090 --> 00:36:35.710
They have no legislative ballot left.

00:36:36.690 --> 00:36:38.530
The election got declared

00:36:39.472 --> 00:36:40.751
two hours before this podo.

00:36:40.771 --> 00:36:43.112
Something like that.

00:36:43.233 --> 00:36:44.652
To set up a date, you mean?

00:36:45.293 --> 00:36:45.532
Yeah.

00:36:45.753 --> 00:36:46.954
There is in the UK now a snap election.

00:36:51.251 --> 00:36:52.632
On the 4th of July,

00:36:52.652 --> 00:36:54.114
a date that has no other

00:36:54.193 --> 00:36:55.514
historical significance.

00:36:56.394 --> 00:36:57.076
I can't think of anything.

00:36:57.115 --> 00:36:57.615
No, that's true.

00:36:57.675 --> 00:36:57.996
I can't.

00:36:58.657 --> 00:36:59.317
There was something

00:36:59.376 --> 00:37:01.237
scratching at the back of my head.

00:37:01.539 --> 00:37:02.639
This date rings a bell.

00:37:04.641 --> 00:37:05.780
I couldn't think of anything, though.

00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.222
So, yeah,

00:37:07.322 --> 00:37:08.123
if you're listening back on

00:37:08.163 --> 00:37:09.623
podcast players and you can

00:37:09.643 --> 00:37:11.764
remember what... There's

00:37:11.804 --> 00:37:12.585
definitely something else.

00:37:12.606 --> 00:37:14.586
I don't know, is it?

00:37:15.626 --> 00:37:16.969
Maybe some country has one

00:37:17.028 --> 00:37:19.391
of those we all eat foie

00:37:19.431 --> 00:37:21.592
gras or something days,

00:37:22.213 --> 00:37:23.193
some weird food stuff.

00:37:23.795 --> 00:37:24.355
I don't know.

00:37:26.396 --> 00:37:28.079
Yeah, so for that,

00:37:28.099 --> 00:37:29.059
that got announced earlier.

00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:34.324
And that was hilarious because, yeah, well,

00:37:34.364 --> 00:37:35.105
this will only make sense

00:37:35.125 --> 00:37:35.766
to British people,

00:37:35.826 --> 00:37:37.827
but the prime minister had

00:37:37.867 --> 00:37:38.809
to stand in the rain

00:37:40.695 --> 00:37:41.416
announcing there was going

00:37:41.436 --> 00:37:42.056
to be an election,

00:37:42.096 --> 00:37:43.177
which would definitely...

00:37:43.197 --> 00:37:45.940
He's definitely going to lose.

00:37:45.981 --> 00:37:46.862
He's going to lose by a

00:37:46.922 --> 00:37:48.242
generational landslide.

00:37:49.083 --> 00:37:50.585
And in the background,

00:37:50.686 --> 00:37:52.068
somebody has rolled out a

00:37:52.128 --> 00:37:54.269
sound system and was playing...

00:37:55.371 --> 00:37:57.653
um a very old very pop song

00:37:57.713 --> 00:37:58.735
called things will only get

00:37:58.775 --> 00:38:02.619
better um which was used

00:38:03.260 --> 00:38:05.302
the last time an incumbent

00:38:05.322 --> 00:38:07.385
tory government yeah I

00:38:07.405 --> 00:38:08.547
remember that dispatched by

00:38:08.586 --> 00:38:09.849
a landslide in 1997 um

00:38:12.822 --> 00:38:14.324
And it was played so loud

00:38:14.344 --> 00:38:15.806
that all the news coverage

00:38:15.865 --> 00:38:17.146
of his speech... I do

00:38:17.166 --> 00:38:18.889
remember that story.

00:38:18.909 --> 00:38:19.610
You can hear it in the

00:38:19.650 --> 00:38:21.672
background while he's talking over it,

00:38:21.731 --> 00:38:21.913
right?

00:38:21.972 --> 00:38:23.273
He's literally standing in the rain,

00:38:23.313 --> 00:38:24.014
getting rained on.

00:38:24.516 --> 00:38:27.418
And you could tell he's just dead-eyed.

00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:30.262
Try to get through it.

00:38:31.003 --> 00:38:32.543
You could just hear this

00:38:33.085 --> 00:38:35.206
song in the background really loudly.

00:38:35.748 --> 00:38:36.588
And you just know that

00:38:36.608 --> 00:38:37.469
because it's a street full

00:38:37.489 --> 00:38:38.351
of political journalists.

00:38:38.411 --> 00:38:38.530
I mean,

00:38:38.771 --> 00:38:40.152
even normal people would know the

00:38:40.193 --> 00:38:40.672
reference.

00:38:41.193 --> 00:38:42.074
It's just a street full of

00:38:42.114 --> 00:38:43.195
people who are behind their

00:38:43.215 --> 00:38:44.317
cameras laughing at him.

00:38:44.717 --> 00:38:45.838
They will be to his face

00:38:45.918 --> 00:38:47.360
laughing at him when they hear that song.

00:38:48.161 --> 00:38:48.942
And what's the crypto?

00:38:49.242 --> 00:38:49.922
What's a piece of that?

00:38:50.382 --> 00:38:50.903
What's that do with it?

00:38:51.775 --> 00:38:52.717
uh so there were a bunch of

00:38:52.737 --> 00:38:53.317
there was a bunch of

00:38:53.376 --> 00:38:54.878
perspective new potential

00:38:54.898 --> 00:38:56.478
legislation for things that

00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:58.179
had been announced sort of

00:38:58.239 --> 00:38:59.079
maybe by the current

00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:00.360
government and there were

00:39:00.380 --> 00:39:01.581
also some lobby groups did

00:39:01.601 --> 00:39:03.023
this like big event at like

00:39:03.063 --> 00:39:04.143
the house of commons I

00:39:04.182 --> 00:39:06.125
think a few days ago and it

00:39:06.164 --> 00:39:07.525
was all sucking up to the

00:39:07.585 --> 00:39:09.085
tories and you're like why

00:39:09.126 --> 00:39:10.286
bother they're about to be

00:39:10.606 --> 00:39:12.547
in the ground for at least

00:39:12.608 --> 00:39:14.630
five years hopefully more

00:39:14.809 --> 00:39:18.391
thank um so yeah

00:39:20.333 --> 00:39:20.632
I mean,

00:39:23.054 --> 00:39:24.195
the other guys are going to be

00:39:24.235 --> 00:39:24.835
marginally better.

00:39:24.856 --> 00:39:25.697
They might put some more

00:39:25.717 --> 00:39:26.398
money into hospitals,

00:39:26.418 --> 00:39:27.438
which would be good.

00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.161
But at least the fuckers

00:39:30.181 --> 00:39:31.461
will be out for once,

00:39:31.541 --> 00:39:32.882
for the first time in my adult life.

00:39:32.902 --> 00:39:33.664
So that's something.

00:39:35.965 --> 00:39:36.505
That's something.

00:39:36.666 --> 00:39:39.208
You have that to look forward to.

00:39:42.190 --> 00:39:42.331
Yeah,

00:39:42.391 --> 00:39:44.271
and then I have to mint that NFT

00:39:44.311 --> 00:39:44.813
collection.

00:39:45.853 --> 00:39:46.934
Every time they lose a seat,

00:39:47.414 --> 00:39:48.655
I'll mint an NFT or something.

00:39:49.967 --> 00:39:50.469
That's funny.

00:39:51.108 --> 00:39:51.289
Yeah.

00:39:51.369 --> 00:39:52.409
My only regret is I'm not

00:39:52.429 --> 00:39:54.532
going to be at home when it happens.

00:39:54.592 --> 00:39:55.791
I'm going to be traveling.

00:39:55.871 --> 00:39:57.574
And normally it's really good.

00:39:57.693 --> 00:39:59.695
I live in a very leery,

00:40:00.094 --> 00:40:02.097
loud city that's quite political.

00:40:02.117 --> 00:40:05.739
And if you go to any pub on election night,

00:40:05.798 --> 00:40:06.780
it's a fucking shit show.

00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:07.800
It's just a big party.

00:40:08.481 --> 00:40:09.461
Because whether or not it

00:40:09.501 --> 00:40:10.643
goes your way or not, people...

00:40:11.588 --> 00:40:12.588
broadly speaking are

00:40:12.708 --> 00:40:14.070
overwhelmingly in kind of

00:40:14.170 --> 00:40:16.452
one general direction here

00:40:16.492 --> 00:40:18.373
so people just have a good

00:40:18.534 --> 00:40:19.675
a good time they take the

00:40:19.715 --> 00:40:21.096
piss there are lots of

00:40:21.155 --> 00:40:24.139
jokes you know whatever and

00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:25.139
that's that's from somebody

00:40:25.179 --> 00:40:27.222
who's lost every every time

00:40:27.282 --> 00:40:28.382
every election I've I've

00:40:28.402 --> 00:40:29.182
had as an adult where I've

00:40:29.202 --> 00:40:30.623
been able to vote has gone

00:40:30.804 --> 00:40:32.085
drastically against what I

00:40:32.126 --> 00:40:33.706
would have voted for and

00:40:33.746 --> 00:40:35.128
it's still a good time so

00:40:35.148 --> 00:40:36.710
this time I mean

00:40:38.057 --> 00:40:39.318
get even get a tiny fraction

00:40:39.338 --> 00:40:40.338
of what you might want so

00:40:40.358 --> 00:40:43.621
that's um anyway whatever

00:40:45.081 --> 00:40:47.583
happy days that's not right

00:40:47.603 --> 00:40:49.103
I will say I like I like

00:40:49.123 --> 00:40:50.264
that city way more now that

00:40:50.284 --> 00:40:52.125
I've been there where

00:40:52.144 --> 00:40:53.565
you're living it I used to

00:40:53.606 --> 00:40:55.467
think of it I mean that's

00:40:55.487 --> 00:40:56.186
not nice I'm not going to

00:40:56.246 --> 00:40:57.688
say that I like it it's great

00:40:59.693 --> 00:41:00.855
I used to think it was a shithole.

00:41:00.894 --> 00:41:01.675
Then I realized it's a

00:41:01.715 --> 00:41:03.719
shithole with a certain amount of charm.

00:41:04.059 --> 00:41:05.260
It's a charming shithole.

00:41:05.782 --> 00:41:08.144
It's a charming shithole.

00:41:08.184 --> 00:41:08.425
Yeah, no,

00:41:08.445 --> 00:41:10.427
it's no Chicago or somewhere that

00:41:10.467 --> 00:41:10.748
has a...

00:41:12.110 --> 00:41:13.150
I don't know why I just said Chicago.

00:41:13.170 --> 00:41:14.572
I really like Chicago of all

00:41:14.592 --> 00:41:14.911
the Americans.

00:41:14.931 --> 00:41:15.693
I like Chicago.

00:41:16.313 --> 00:41:17.213
Chicago.

00:41:17.273 --> 00:41:19.195
It's got that great mix of like,

00:41:19.255 --> 00:41:21.976
it feels like it's a working city,

00:41:22.016 --> 00:41:23.137
but there is like culture

00:41:23.177 --> 00:41:24.038
and things to do there.

00:41:24.077 --> 00:41:25.059
But it's also just like,

00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:26.860
it's got good shit going on.

00:41:27.581 --> 00:41:27.740
Yeah.

00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:28.101
You know,

00:41:28.141 --> 00:41:30.123
for the local people that have

00:41:30.163 --> 00:41:31.583
communities that care about shit,

00:41:31.623 --> 00:41:33.025
like music scenes and stuff like that.

00:41:33.565 --> 00:41:34.125
That's correct.

00:41:34.806 --> 00:41:35.065
I don't know.

00:41:35.085 --> 00:41:35.746
I don't know if that's all

00:41:35.786 --> 00:41:37.907
been in the last 10 years or something,

00:41:37.947 --> 00:41:39.148
but you're,

00:41:39.289 --> 00:41:41.090
you're from Chicago originally,

00:41:41.130 --> 00:41:41.431
aren't you?

00:41:41.731 --> 00:41:41.871
Yeah.

00:41:45.114 --> 00:41:46.094
The thing I like about Chicago,

00:41:46.135 --> 00:41:47.494
and this is getting real

00:41:47.534 --> 00:41:49.016
deep into civil infrastructure,

00:41:49.036 --> 00:41:52.215
I really like the alleyways

00:41:52.835 --> 00:41:56.777
behind most blocks.

00:41:57.356 --> 00:41:58.197
Very well thought out.

00:41:58.597 --> 00:41:59.657
My grandparents lived on one of those,

00:41:59.677 --> 00:42:00.538
so I grew up on those things.

00:42:00.657 --> 00:42:01.938
I used to ride my big wheel

00:42:02.838 --> 00:42:04.119
and green machine.

00:42:06.500 --> 00:42:07.619
And then there's an alley,

00:42:08.019 --> 00:42:09.300
then the alley houses

00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:10.099
backing up to each other.

00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:10.800
There's an alley in the

00:42:10.820 --> 00:42:12.041
middle and the garages face all that.

00:42:12.385 --> 00:42:14.025
You're basically like the

00:42:14.085 --> 00:42:15.367
kid in a film where it's

00:42:15.427 --> 00:42:16.766
like Tom Hanks pretending

00:42:16.806 --> 00:42:17.947
to be a kid when he's like

00:42:17.947 --> 00:42:19.047
25 or something.

00:42:19.168 --> 00:42:20.248
That's literally you.

00:42:21.648 --> 00:42:22.728
Wait, that actually was a film.

00:42:22.768 --> 00:42:23.307
That's big.

00:42:23.367 --> 00:42:24.068
I've just described it.

00:42:24.108 --> 00:42:24.989
That's New York though.

00:42:25.728 --> 00:42:26.708
Um, but yeah, yeah.

00:42:26.809 --> 00:42:27.409
But that was the same thing.

00:42:27.449 --> 00:42:29.090
Like you have street street,

00:42:29.130 --> 00:42:30.230
you have homes facing each

00:42:30.269 --> 00:42:30.889
other and you have an alley

00:42:30.909 --> 00:42:31.750
that runs on the middle and

00:42:31.769 --> 00:42:32.630
all the garages and the

00:42:32.670 --> 00:42:33.411
garbage and all that shit

00:42:33.431 --> 00:42:33.851
would be on there.

00:42:33.871 --> 00:42:35.510
And then you'd have, then you could,

00:42:35.550 --> 00:42:36.771
it was always like rock price.

00:42:36.791 --> 00:42:37.472
It was always rock.

00:42:37.592 --> 00:42:39.211
It wasn't like actually paved or, uh,

00:42:39.777 --> 00:42:40.820
or concrete, anything like that.

00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:41.860
And then you'd be riding

00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:42.581
bikes down there and like,

00:42:42.782 --> 00:42:44.023
we used to do like how long,

00:42:44.043 --> 00:42:45.045
like a skid contest and

00:42:45.065 --> 00:42:45.606
that kind of shit.

00:42:45.646 --> 00:42:45.806
Right.

00:42:46.748 --> 00:42:47.728
Um, yeah.

00:42:47.869 --> 00:42:48.610
And then you'd always like,

00:42:48.650 --> 00:42:49.452
you'd always like yell

00:42:49.492 --> 00:42:50.833
across that alley to like

00:42:50.873 --> 00:42:53.137
somebody else or they'd yell at you like,

00:42:53.157 --> 00:42:53.998
come on, we're going swimming.

00:42:54.730 --> 00:42:55.610
like that kind of shit it

00:42:55.791 --> 00:42:56.472
was always fun to have

00:42:56.512 --> 00:42:57.393
neighbors like that close

00:42:57.492 --> 00:42:59.355
right like this but it's

00:42:59.375 --> 00:43:00.655
kind of like because out in

00:43:00.675 --> 00:43:01.936
front of your house nobody

00:43:01.956 --> 00:43:02.637
nothing happened but out

00:43:02.657 --> 00:43:03.719
the back of the house it

00:43:03.739 --> 00:43:04.500
was like this you know

00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:05.219
there's always like that's

00:43:05.260 --> 00:43:06.621
where the party was that's

00:43:06.641 --> 00:43:07.822
where the party was yeah I

00:43:07.862 --> 00:43:09.123
love that I love I love

00:43:09.143 --> 00:43:09.664
that it's like a really

00:43:09.684 --> 00:43:11.346
weird thing one thing I

00:43:11.365 --> 00:43:12.387
like about chicago is like

00:43:12.467 --> 00:43:13.427
the way there's kind of

00:43:13.487 --> 00:43:14.769
almost like the island bit

00:43:14.869 --> 00:43:15.831
because of all the bridges

00:43:15.851 --> 00:43:17.032
and the way the river goes

00:43:17.271 --> 00:43:18.233
oh yeah the loop and then

00:43:18.836 --> 00:43:20.878
downtown is almost like on

00:43:20.918 --> 00:43:22.318
an island and then it's got

00:43:22.358 --> 00:43:24.018
the the l the l train like

00:43:24.038 --> 00:43:25.159
the raised train that's

00:43:25.179 --> 00:43:27.199
right it's super cool like

00:43:27.259 --> 00:43:28.518
the the architecture of it

00:43:28.579 --> 00:43:30.099
is really cool in that way

00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.501
it is it's noisy yeah the

00:43:33.541 --> 00:43:34.561
train the elevated like

00:43:34.621 --> 00:43:35.561
creates all that noise up

00:43:35.581 --> 00:43:36.661
there which sounds like

00:43:36.722 --> 00:43:37.722
things are happening right

00:43:37.742 --> 00:43:39.481
it's very vibey it's got a

00:43:39.501 --> 00:43:41.003
very vibey it's kind of

00:43:41.023 --> 00:43:41.963
like it's very like um

00:43:43.574 --> 00:43:47.596
It's very like a late 90s or PS2,

00:43:47.615 --> 00:43:50.896
maybe early PS2 video game

00:43:51.036 --> 00:43:54.157
version of something.

00:43:54.338 --> 00:43:54.717
I don't know.

00:43:54.737 --> 00:44:00.320
It doesn't feel quite real.

00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:01.880
As a non-American,

00:44:01.900 --> 00:44:04.840
you go to Chicago and you're like,

00:44:05.121 --> 00:44:06.820
New York, you've seen it so much on TV.

00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:07.440
You're just like, yeah,

00:44:07.481 --> 00:44:08.202
New York is New York.

00:44:08.222 --> 00:44:09.161
LA is a shithole.

00:44:09.202 --> 00:44:10.501
You're just like, yep, LA is a shithole.

00:44:10.521 --> 00:44:11.081
Can confirm.

00:44:11.802 --> 00:44:13.063
Food's really good, but it's a shithole.

00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.143
LA is a suburbs, right?

00:44:16.163 --> 00:44:18.244
So you're just, you're everything's far,

00:44:18.485 --> 00:44:18.644
right?

00:44:19.827 --> 00:44:21.969
LA is just a bonkers place.

00:44:22.329 --> 00:44:23.050
Yeah.

00:44:23.070 --> 00:44:23.449
Yeah.

00:44:23.490 --> 00:44:23.590
Yeah.

00:44:25.173 --> 00:44:26.195
I've been there a few times

00:44:26.315 --> 00:44:27.396
every time I'm like why the

00:44:27.476 --> 00:44:28.996
am I here um and then I

00:44:29.016 --> 00:44:29.737
have a really good meal I'm

00:44:29.777 --> 00:44:30.978
like oh yeah it's really

00:44:31.018 --> 00:44:32.918
tasty here yeah but yeah

00:44:32.938 --> 00:44:33.960
that's true unless I'm

00:44:33.980 --> 00:44:34.920
visiting somebody I

00:44:35.001 --> 00:44:37.181
literally go there to visit

00:44:37.202 --> 00:44:38.802
people um or family friends

00:44:38.842 --> 00:44:40.204
and things and it's and

00:44:40.224 --> 00:44:41.704
you're like oh yeah there's

00:44:41.744 --> 00:44:42.525
good people who live here

00:44:42.545 --> 00:44:43.206
it's good people who live

00:44:43.246 --> 00:44:44.626
here and they're like you

00:44:44.666 --> 00:44:45.547
find yourself like trying

00:44:45.568 --> 00:44:46.867
to walk anywhere or go

00:44:46.947 --> 00:44:48.068
anywhere or do anything and

00:44:48.088 --> 00:44:49.829
you're like yeah oh this is

00:44:49.849 --> 00:44:50.931
the most tedious city on

00:44:51.010 --> 00:44:51.672
earth it sucks um

00:44:54.056 --> 00:44:54.655
Well,

00:44:54.735 --> 00:44:56.077
and the arrogance of calling it the

00:44:56.197 --> 00:44:57.117
Inland Empire.

00:44:57.137 --> 00:44:58.836
Oh, really?

00:44:58.856 --> 00:44:59.317
Yeah.

00:44:59.336 --> 00:45:01.398
That's what they call themselves.

00:45:01.478 --> 00:45:02.097
Inland Empire.

00:45:02.978 --> 00:45:03.297
Yeah.

00:45:03.597 --> 00:45:03.918
Oh, really?

00:45:04.438 --> 00:45:05.438
There's even like a magazine

00:45:05.478 --> 00:45:06.278
called Inland Empire.

00:45:06.318 --> 00:45:06.518
Yeah.

00:45:06.878 --> 00:45:08.380
I used to work for a company

00:45:08.420 --> 00:45:09.039
that was over there.

00:45:09.940 --> 00:45:10.739
And everyone referred to it

00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:11.340
as Inland Empire.

00:45:11.380 --> 00:45:11.920
Yeah, for sure.

00:45:12.380 --> 00:45:12.701
Jesus.

00:45:13.061 --> 00:45:13.440
That's awful.

00:45:16.193 --> 00:45:17.434
well yeah chicago is a

00:45:17.454 --> 00:45:18.496
better city anyway I like

00:45:18.516 --> 00:45:21.798
chicago the lake and it's

00:45:21.858 --> 00:45:23.099
almost like it's the sea is

00:45:23.179 --> 00:45:25.041
really that's yeah I grew I

00:45:25.081 --> 00:45:26.121
partly grew up by the sea

00:45:26.342 --> 00:45:28.043
and that really chitted me

00:45:28.103 --> 00:45:29.804
because I was like oh wait

00:45:29.824 --> 00:45:30.565
hang on a minute we are a

00:45:30.606 --> 00:45:31.527
long way away from the sea

00:45:31.567 --> 00:45:32.608
and then it's all it's like

00:45:32.708 --> 00:45:34.369
pretty I know that you do

00:45:34.409 --> 00:45:35.170
get storms and stuff but

00:45:35.190 --> 00:45:36.291
it's quite flat and you're

00:45:36.311 --> 00:45:37.771
like it's it's incredibly

00:45:37.811 --> 00:45:39.233
flat like at least I used

00:45:39.253 --> 00:45:40.153
to ride for like 40 miles

00:45:40.193 --> 00:45:41.375
and stuff in chicago and

00:45:41.394 --> 00:45:42.615
like I can't do that here but

00:45:43.170 --> 00:45:43.931
Yeah, it's incredibly flat.

00:45:44.032 --> 00:45:45.054
And Lake Michigan actually

00:45:45.173 --> 00:45:45.914
is in pretty good shape.

00:45:46.135 --> 00:45:46.476
I mean,

00:45:46.596 --> 00:45:47.797
you can definitely waste a swim in

00:45:47.838 --> 00:45:48.239
all the time.

00:45:48.259 --> 00:45:49.760
And then we saw vacation on

00:45:49.780 --> 00:45:50.501
the other side of the lake

00:45:50.521 --> 00:45:51.244
and go over to like,

00:45:52.144 --> 00:45:53.186
uh, towards like Holland, Michigan,

00:45:53.226 --> 00:45:54.666
that area, which is like Lake Michigan.

00:45:54.686 --> 00:45:55.786
There is gorgeous.

00:45:56.427 --> 00:45:56.768
Oh yeah.

00:45:56.807 --> 00:45:58.289
I guess that's my only

00:45:58.349 --> 00:46:00.110
criticism possibly of Chicago.

00:46:00.150 --> 00:46:01.590
Now I think about it is that

00:46:01.831 --> 00:46:02.610
is the whole city is

00:46:02.650 --> 00:46:03.751
actually quite flat as next.

00:46:03.771 --> 00:46:06.052
It's basically on a fucking dead flat,

00:46:06.293 --> 00:46:06.793
which, which,

00:46:06.893 --> 00:46:08.434
which does violate one of

00:46:08.675 --> 00:46:11.396
phrase golden rules for classic city,

00:46:11.775 --> 00:46:12.577
which is you need to have

00:46:12.597 --> 00:46:14.418
at least one kind of

00:46:14.458 --> 00:46:15.679
vantage point on a hill.

00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:18.784
It's called the Sears Tower, friend.

00:46:18.804 --> 00:46:22.891
It's called the Sears Tower.

00:46:22.931 --> 00:46:23.733
That's all you got.

00:46:23.793 --> 00:46:25.737
You go up in a man-made building.

00:46:26.157 --> 00:46:26.739
You mean the Willis Tower.

00:46:26.759 --> 00:46:26.940
Exactly.

00:46:31.125 --> 00:46:32.364
Get your facts right.

00:46:32.545 --> 00:46:32.706
No.

00:46:33.425 --> 00:46:33.965
It's gone.

00:46:33.985 --> 00:46:35.467
But, like, I also,

00:46:35.487 --> 00:46:36.367
because I partly grew up

00:46:36.427 --> 00:46:37.487
fucking everywhere, apparently,

00:46:37.708 --> 00:46:40.530
I really like the city Bristol in the UK,

00:46:40.769 --> 00:46:41.650
where it's sort of, like,

00:46:42.210 --> 00:46:45.672
it's almost built into a hill with, like,

00:46:45.731 --> 00:46:47.672
a big, then, downs.

00:46:48.273 --> 00:46:48.733
What the fuck?

00:46:50.534 --> 00:46:51.295
What's a down?

00:46:51.594 --> 00:46:53.896
A down is, like, a big park?

00:46:54.737 --> 00:46:55.317
A big park.

00:46:55.617 --> 00:46:56.818
Oh, yeah.

00:46:56.878 --> 00:46:57.757
But, like, wild.

00:46:58.278 --> 00:46:58.978
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:59.775 --> 00:47:00.295
Like a hill?

00:47:00.355 --> 00:47:01.315
Like a rolling hill?

00:47:02.657 --> 00:47:03.956
That's a down, I guess.

00:47:04.217 --> 00:47:05.038
Might be the only time I've

00:47:05.077 --> 00:47:07.679
ever heard the word down used in, like,

00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:08.480
Flight Company.

00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:10.900
Not that this is Flight Company,

00:47:11.061 --> 00:47:12.121
but when I think of downs,

00:47:12.242 --> 00:47:13.461
I don't think of, like,

00:47:13.862 --> 00:47:14.782
someone actually using it

00:47:14.902 --> 00:47:15.784
in conversation.

00:47:16.844 --> 00:47:18.465
Did you guys ever have that

00:47:18.644 --> 00:47:20.146
harrowing children's story

00:47:20.186 --> 00:47:21.306
called Watership Down?

00:47:22.067 --> 00:47:22.766
That's what I was thinking of.

00:47:22.927 --> 00:47:23.527
Yeah, exactly.

00:47:24.547 --> 00:47:26.349
So it's like there's the rolling hills,

00:47:26.528 --> 00:47:27.190
and each one of them is

00:47:27.210 --> 00:47:28.911
kind of the downs.

00:47:29.903 --> 00:47:31.445
um yeah so that's bristol

00:47:31.485 --> 00:47:32.286
basically is built up

00:47:32.367 --> 00:47:34.429
towards the downs which is

00:47:34.469 --> 00:47:35.670
like where the beginning of

00:47:35.871 --> 00:47:36.972
is I guess it maybe is the

00:47:36.992 --> 00:47:37.994
beginning of the mendips

00:47:39.195 --> 00:47:39.755
somebody with better

00:47:39.856 --> 00:47:40.757
regional geography can tell

00:47:40.777 --> 00:47:42.018
me but anyway it's really

00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:42.880
cool because there is a

00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:43.621
bunch of places in the city

00:47:43.641 --> 00:47:45.222
where you can kind of look

00:47:45.282 --> 00:47:46.224
out around the city and

00:47:46.244 --> 00:47:47.786
you're like ah that's kind of cool um

00:47:49.726 --> 00:47:50.608
I think Chicago needs like

00:47:50.807 --> 00:47:54.190
one non man-made just like the hill.

00:47:54.731 --> 00:47:56.132
That would be 10 out of 10.

00:47:56.331 --> 00:47:57.032
That would be 10 out of 10.

00:47:57.253 --> 00:47:58.614
I grew up in the suburbs outside,

00:47:58.713 --> 00:47:59.213
outside the city.

00:47:59.233 --> 00:47:59.635
And I lived,

00:47:59.775 --> 00:48:00.534
I lived downtown when I was

00:48:00.976 --> 00:48:01.655
out of college and all that

00:48:01.675 --> 00:48:01.936
kind of stuff.

00:48:01.956 --> 00:48:03.117
But, but, uh,

00:48:03.297 --> 00:48:05.159
growing up outside of the city, like,

00:48:05.643 --> 00:48:07.382
like my wife is where I'm from,

00:48:07.422 --> 00:48:09.003
which has like, or I'm sorry,

00:48:09.023 --> 00:48:10.164
my wife is from where we live now,

00:48:10.204 --> 00:48:11.724
which is, which is pretty hilly, right?

00:48:11.744 --> 00:48:12.585
Like has some pretty

00:48:12.625 --> 00:48:13.644
significant Hills and some

00:48:13.664 --> 00:48:14.565
of the steepest Hills in

00:48:14.844 --> 00:48:16.985
the U S. I feel like you

00:48:17.065 --> 00:48:18.045
are even underselling it

00:48:18.106 --> 00:48:19.626
saying that it's pretty,

00:48:19.646 --> 00:48:20.726
the city is being like

00:48:20.887 --> 00:48:23.148
overcome by trees in all directions.

00:48:23.467 --> 00:48:24.248
I felt like I was under

00:48:24.387 --> 00:48:25.907
assault by forests whenever

00:48:25.927 --> 00:48:26.528
I was visiting.

00:48:27.168 --> 00:48:27.728
Like, like,

00:48:29.572 --> 00:48:30.373
if you have a if you have a

00:48:30.413 --> 00:48:31.092
bike here you want to ride

00:48:31.112 --> 00:48:31.753
in the streets you

00:48:31.833 --> 00:48:32.673
literally cannot do it

00:48:33.494 --> 00:48:34.596
unless like one of you two

00:48:35.036 --> 00:48:36.237
because you're constantly

00:48:36.677 --> 00:48:39.759
up or down and like it's

00:48:39.978 --> 00:48:41.119
brutal right like chicago

00:48:41.139 --> 00:48:42.021
like you just you can just

00:48:42.081 --> 00:48:43.061
you can lounge around let's

00:48:43.081 --> 00:48:44.001
get bikes let's go for a

00:48:44.041 --> 00:48:45.222
ride here you're like two

00:48:45.242 --> 00:48:45.842
minutes you're like get me

00:48:45.862 --> 00:48:46.844
the fuck off this thing

00:48:46.884 --> 00:48:48.005
because you're instantly

00:48:48.045 --> 00:48:48.885
you come out your driveway

00:48:48.905 --> 00:48:49.565
and you're going up like 22

00:48:49.565 --> 00:48:52.188
right oh it sounds like a dream i

00:48:53.385 --> 00:48:54.865
exactly I'm sure you it's

00:48:54.885 --> 00:48:56.266
not it's not over 20

00:48:56.266 --> 00:48:58.367
percent pack in your bag or

00:48:58.427 --> 00:48:59.367
whatever the fuck you're

00:48:59.387 --> 00:49:00.389
doing yeah exactly I know

00:49:00.469 --> 00:49:01.429
yeah but but if you want to

00:49:01.449 --> 00:49:03.090
go for a like a like my

00:49:03.150 --> 00:49:03.990
kids ride their bike to

00:49:04.050 --> 00:49:05.231
school and they're sweating

00:49:05.251 --> 00:49:06.351
their ass off and like the

00:49:06.371 --> 00:49:07.972
school's only like a half a

00:49:08.012 --> 00:49:10.153
mile away right um anyway

00:49:10.193 --> 00:49:11.554
so I so anyway where I grew

00:49:11.594 --> 00:49:13.255
up in chicago we had a

00:49:13.295 --> 00:49:14.275
sledding hill by our house

00:49:14.456 --> 00:49:15.396
and the sledding hill I

00:49:15.436 --> 00:49:16.838
thought was fucking huge

00:49:17.657 --> 00:49:19.320
It just seemed like when I was a kid,

00:49:19.641 --> 00:49:20.400
we go to this huge... Yeah,

00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:21.061
we're going to the park.

00:49:21.081 --> 00:49:21.782
We're going to the hill.

00:49:21.882 --> 00:49:22.664
We used to call it a hill.

00:49:22.724 --> 00:49:24.485
And we have a fort on the side of the hill,

00:49:24.505 --> 00:49:25.146
and there's this huge

00:49:25.226 --> 00:49:26.307
sledding hill and all this kind of stuff.

00:49:26.969 --> 00:49:28.090
And now I go back to it,

00:49:28.130 --> 00:49:30.032
and my wife laughing her ass off.

00:49:30.052 --> 00:49:31.494
She's like, you sledded on this?

00:49:31.954 --> 00:49:32.875
Literally, it looks like...

00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:35.960
It looks like our backyard

00:49:36.621 --> 00:49:38.342
if I took half the grade off of it.

00:49:38.461 --> 00:49:40.342
It is the saddest looking

00:49:40.443 --> 00:49:41.423
fucking thing I've ever seen.

00:49:41.643 --> 00:49:42.563
We drove past it a bunch of

00:49:42.603 --> 00:49:43.925
years ago when my kids were really young.

00:49:44.465 --> 00:49:47.666
And my wife is rolling on the ground.

00:49:47.686 --> 00:49:48.387
She's like,

00:49:48.567 --> 00:49:49.588
what do you do with this thing?

00:49:49.668 --> 00:49:51.469
And I look at it and I was like,

00:49:51.489 --> 00:49:52.309
what the fuck are we doing?

00:49:52.849 --> 00:49:55.291
It literally is the saddest goddamn thing.

00:49:55.771 --> 00:49:57.632
If you Google Chicago sledding hills,

00:49:57.672 --> 00:49:58.592
there has to be a fun page

00:49:58.612 --> 00:49:59.213
about this because...

00:50:00.215 --> 00:50:01.938
These kids, we didn't know shit.

00:50:02.358 --> 00:50:03.659
Like we went four miles an hour.

00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:04.581
We're like, woo.

00:50:05.362 --> 00:50:05.581
Now,

00:50:05.643 --> 00:50:06.884
like my kids slid out the back of this

00:50:06.923 --> 00:50:07.123
hill.

00:50:07.204 --> 00:50:08.045
Like we slid out the back of

00:50:08.085 --> 00:50:10.208
a door here and they have

00:50:10.228 --> 00:50:10.768
to make sure that they

00:50:10.789 --> 00:50:12.010
don't get like decapitated.

00:50:12.130 --> 00:50:14.472
Like they'll be doing 60

00:50:14.472 --> 00:50:15.253
miles an hour towards a

00:50:15.313 --> 00:50:15.954
tree or something.

00:50:16.795 --> 00:50:18.358
So, but oh my God, it's so funny.

00:50:22.550 --> 00:50:23.391
All right, maybe not that funny.

00:50:23.751 --> 00:50:24.911
Here's another news.

00:50:25.231 --> 00:50:28.512
I was just thinking how

00:50:29.353 --> 00:50:31.634
jealous I was of the fact

00:50:31.673 --> 00:50:32.815
that you consistently get

00:50:33.474 --> 00:50:35.494
sledding because the Gulf Stream here,

00:50:35.614 --> 00:50:37.195
it gets cold in winter,

00:50:37.755 --> 00:50:39.056
but very rarely do you get

00:50:39.077 --> 00:50:40.697
the right mix of conditions

00:50:40.757 --> 00:50:42.697
to get snow that's usable.

00:50:43.271 --> 00:50:43.851
We get for about,

00:50:43.971 --> 00:50:45.291
I would say about a month a year.

00:50:45.773 --> 00:50:46.213
Good sledding.

00:50:47.333 --> 00:50:47.954
Good sledding.

00:50:48.293 --> 00:50:49.135
Or we go up to the mountains

00:50:49.195 --> 00:50:50.275
up here and go down.

00:50:50.295 --> 00:50:51.836
A couple of times when I was younger,

00:50:51.876 --> 00:50:52.056
maybe.

00:50:52.077 --> 00:50:52.978
Maybe like huge shit too.

00:50:53.297 --> 00:50:53.398
Yeah.

00:50:54.405 --> 00:50:55.385
It's really nice people,

00:50:55.405 --> 00:50:56.347
but you get lost in it now.

00:50:57.407 --> 00:50:58.226
I guess I was curious.

00:50:59.067 --> 00:51:00.907
I looked up sledding hills in Chicago,

00:51:01.407 --> 00:51:02.007
and you're right.

00:51:02.228 --> 00:51:02.967
They're goofy.

00:51:03.027 --> 00:51:04.449
They're like this great.

00:51:04.469 --> 00:51:05.148
You can tell that the

00:51:05.168 --> 00:51:06.989
cameraman had to do just

00:51:07.030 --> 00:51:08.690
the right angle so it made it look steep.

00:51:08.730 --> 00:51:10.050
Put the camera on the floor.

00:51:10.391 --> 00:51:11.391
Yeah, exactly.

00:51:12.891 --> 00:51:13.431
It's so funny.

00:51:13.530 --> 00:51:15.452
I mean, you grew up in the, Matt Katz says,

00:51:15.472 --> 00:51:16.211
it always looks bigger when

00:51:16.231 --> 00:51:16.612
you're younger.

00:51:16.692 --> 00:51:17.632
Yes, that's true.

00:51:17.813 --> 00:51:18.733
But also when you grew up in

00:51:18.753 --> 00:51:19.753
a place that is flat,

00:51:19.813 --> 00:51:20.572
like you could see the

00:51:20.612 --> 00:51:22.454
horizon in every direction, right?

00:51:23.570 --> 00:51:24.951
those types of things so

00:51:24.971 --> 00:51:26.030
what do you get she wasn't

00:51:26.050 --> 00:51:27.050
kidding I've just googled

00:51:27.110 --> 00:51:30.532
it too some of those some

00:51:31.672 --> 00:51:32.992
of those are flat so you

00:51:33.032 --> 00:51:36.114
know like um uh I don't

00:51:36.135 --> 00:51:37.014
know if you've you guys

00:51:37.074 --> 00:51:38.614
have ever skied or whatever

00:51:38.675 --> 00:51:39.856
but you know how you know

00:51:39.916 --> 00:51:41.896
when they get like if you

00:51:41.936 --> 00:51:43.257
get like france italy

00:51:43.436 --> 00:51:44.797
switzerland I guess

00:51:44.838 --> 00:51:45.998
probably america actually

00:51:46.018 --> 00:51:47.778
because you guys have skiing um

00:51:48.715 --> 00:51:49.215
they get like the

00:51:49.295 --> 00:51:51.697
three-year-olds out um and

00:51:51.717 --> 00:51:52.396
then they put them on the

00:51:52.436 --> 00:51:53.637
skis and just push them and

00:51:53.657 --> 00:51:55.059
then they just go I need to

00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:56.360
see them screaming past

00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:58.460
like physically screaming

00:51:58.501 --> 00:51:59.342
not they're just going

00:51:59.382 --> 00:52:00.623
screaming fast that they're

00:52:00.663 --> 00:52:01.702
just going quite slowly in

00:52:01.742 --> 00:52:02.724
a snowplow but they're

00:52:02.784 --> 00:52:03.744
screaming their heads off

00:52:03.764 --> 00:52:04.625
because the most terrifying

00:52:04.644 --> 00:52:05.646
thing in the world and I

00:52:05.686 --> 00:52:07.407
remember that being like I

00:52:07.507 --> 00:52:08.668
am going a million miles an

00:52:08.688 --> 00:52:09.768
hour then you see them and

00:52:09.807 --> 00:52:10.548
they're literally on the

00:52:10.688 --> 00:52:13.231
flat bit by the bar and all

00:52:13.251 --> 00:52:14.170
the parents they're just

00:52:14.210 --> 00:52:16.853
like drinking being like yep

00:52:17.677 --> 00:52:18.617
you're doing a great job

00:52:18.797 --> 00:52:19.918
little one off you go and

00:52:19.938 --> 00:52:21.000
it's just like it's it's

00:52:21.219 --> 00:52:22.541
it's like one degree

00:52:22.581 --> 00:52:23.601
gradient you know I mean

00:52:24.202 --> 00:52:25.063
that's like that's the

00:52:25.103 --> 00:52:26.244
sledding hills they're just

00:52:26.264 --> 00:52:27.204
the little bit where they

00:52:27.224 --> 00:52:29.387
just they're like yeah you

00:52:29.427 --> 00:52:30.608
just strap on the thing go

00:52:30.628 --> 00:52:32.009
and all the adults are

00:52:32.028 --> 00:52:33.570
drunk because you can't go

00:52:33.650 --> 00:52:35.911
fast so someone give me a

00:52:35.952 --> 00:52:39.454
push I get going somehow exactly right

00:52:41.235 --> 00:52:41.856
that's the thing that like

00:52:41.876 --> 00:52:42.737
surprises that if you go to

00:52:42.757 --> 00:52:43.597
those places now in the

00:52:43.637 --> 00:52:44.438
summer because of the whole

00:52:44.478 --> 00:52:45.257
global warming thing

00:52:45.277 --> 00:52:46.117
they're pushing like

00:52:46.157 --> 00:52:47.298
mountain biking really

00:52:47.398 --> 00:52:49.619
strongly and there's a

00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:50.800
massive difference between

00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:52.581
a green run on skis and a

00:52:52.641 --> 00:52:53.702
green run on a mountain

00:52:53.742 --> 00:52:55.362
bike because like on skis

00:52:55.382 --> 00:52:56.943
you're like well it's like

00:52:56.963 --> 00:52:57.902
the green is like five

00:52:57.943 --> 00:52:59.324
percent or whatever like no

00:52:59.344 --> 00:53:00.603
matter how quickly you go

00:53:00.804 --> 00:53:01.784
worst case scenario you tip

00:53:01.885 --> 00:53:03.264
over you land on snow right

00:53:03.284 --> 00:53:04.766
if you tip over on a

00:53:04.826 --> 00:53:06.407
mountain bike on that you

00:53:06.447 --> 00:53:08.146
are sliding on gravel my boy like

00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:10.880
Yeah,

00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.041
but also there's a lot of hazards

00:53:13.101 --> 00:53:14.422
that represent themselves

00:53:14.483 --> 00:53:16.164
again after the snow melts.

00:53:17.965 --> 00:53:19.907
Like, you know, logs and trees and shit.

00:53:21.789 --> 00:53:22.070
Yeah,

00:53:22.510 --> 00:53:24.952
it looks like genuinely... I don't know.

00:53:26.494 --> 00:53:27.875
I don't know any statistics.

00:53:27.914 --> 00:53:29.036
I don't know whether this is true,

00:53:29.076 --> 00:53:30.677
but it seems like a much

00:53:30.717 --> 00:53:32.119
more dangerous sport is my

00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:32.858
general impression.

00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:34.159
Like...

00:53:34.943 --> 00:53:36.083
I mean, you can land on ice,

00:53:36.163 --> 00:53:37.324
but even ice seems like

00:53:37.423 --> 00:53:39.505
more forgiving than gravel

00:53:39.565 --> 00:53:40.324
and tree roots.

00:53:41.826 --> 00:53:42.286
I don't know.

00:53:42.346 --> 00:53:45.106
Like maybe, well,

00:53:46.648 --> 00:53:47.547
you tend to do a lot of

00:53:47.588 --> 00:53:48.768
dangerous shit when you're

00:53:49.128 --> 00:53:50.528
snowboarding or skiing there, right?

00:53:50.548 --> 00:53:52.030
It's like, you know,

00:53:52.070 --> 00:53:55.371
you're on a push bike.

00:53:55.431 --> 00:53:57.112
You sort of follow the trail

00:53:57.211 --> 00:53:58.452
and you do your little

00:53:58.512 --> 00:53:59.932
skids around turns and shit.

00:54:00.572 --> 00:54:02.554
But when you're like on a snowboard,

00:54:02.594 --> 00:54:03.498
you just –

00:54:03.498 --> 00:54:05.181
find a cliff and bomb off the edge of it.

00:54:05.260 --> 00:54:08.483
Like, I feel like,

00:54:09.065 --> 00:54:10.385
and you don't know what's under there.

00:54:10.746 --> 00:54:13.449
And you can go into like tree wells.

00:54:14.369 --> 00:54:15.150
Ah, fucking who,

00:54:15.190 --> 00:54:16.331
who goes through the snow

00:54:16.391 --> 00:54:17.512
and stays on the groomer?

00:54:17.833 --> 00:54:18.054
Like,

00:54:18.762 --> 00:54:24.246
I am... Me too, dude.

00:54:24.365 --> 00:54:26.507
I'm a frontside.

00:54:26.746 --> 00:54:28.447
Yeah, I'm like a proper frontside.

00:54:28.847 --> 00:54:34.070
Have you seen the hills I've sledded on?

00:54:34.110 --> 00:54:35.271
The first thing I go when I

00:54:35.291 --> 00:54:36.331
go snowboarding, I'm like,

00:54:36.391 --> 00:54:38.472
where is the edge of this piece?

00:54:38.773 --> 00:54:40.673
Because that's where I want to be.

00:54:40.733 --> 00:54:41.775
Fucking straight under the rope.

00:54:41.795 --> 00:54:42.114
Yeah, it's like...

00:54:46.164 --> 00:54:48.065
It went, yeah, it's just like, where's,

00:54:48.465 --> 00:54:49.405
where's the rope so I can

00:54:49.425 --> 00:54:51.286
go under it and find them trees, my boy.

00:54:51.306 --> 00:54:52.847
And then, uh,

00:54:52.907 --> 00:54:54.688
get coat hanged by branches and shit.

00:54:54.869 --> 00:54:55.148
Good fun.

00:54:55.188 --> 00:54:55.469
Nice.

00:54:56.769 --> 00:54:56.949
Yeah.

00:54:58.731 --> 00:54:59.190
Uh, yeah.

00:55:00.572 --> 00:55:01.132
So it,

00:55:01.452 --> 00:55:02.592
I was just watching like while we

00:55:02.612 --> 00:55:03.873
were talking about sledding, uh,

00:55:04.074 --> 00:55:05.715
Nvidia posted results today.

00:55:05.735 --> 00:55:06.014
Do you guys,

00:55:06.094 --> 00:55:06.875
do you guys watch this at all?

00:55:06.894 --> 00:55:09.197
I always watch like AI based type things.

00:55:09.996 --> 00:55:11.458
So, okay.

00:55:11.597 --> 00:55:12.217
Predictions.

00:55:12.237 --> 00:55:13.099
I haven't seen it.

00:55:14.728 --> 00:55:14.987
I mean,

00:55:15.007 --> 00:55:18.692
they've basically got the AI market

00:55:18.771 --> 00:55:20.273
cornered in terms of hardware.

00:55:20.813 --> 00:55:21.733
Like I've seen some of the

00:55:21.793 --> 00:55:22.534
shit that they've,

00:55:23.335 --> 00:55:24.235
like that's been at the

00:55:24.275 --> 00:55:25.456
trade shows and stuff that

00:55:25.496 --> 00:55:27.579
they're putting together, like is,

00:55:28.139 --> 00:55:28.400
you know,

00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:31.681
all in one sort of AI in your

00:55:31.702 --> 00:55:32.842
office type back at fucking

00:55:32.862 --> 00:55:33.923
helmet and they're doing some shit.

00:55:37.166 --> 00:55:40.329
I'm going to say that it was

00:55:40.369 --> 00:55:41.710
a good quarter for,

00:55:42.523 --> 00:55:44.704
But I'm going to say that it

00:55:44.903 --> 00:55:47.144
has fallen short of

00:55:47.224 --> 00:55:48.746
expectations in terms of

00:55:48.865 --> 00:55:52.208
the price appreciation of the token.

00:55:54.648 --> 00:55:55.168
The token.

00:55:57.190 --> 00:55:58.231
It's hard to get out of the habit,

00:55:58.291 --> 00:55:58.630
isn't it?

00:55:59.190 --> 00:55:59.791
I think they had

00:55:59.851 --> 00:56:01.893
expectations this quarter of, I think,

00:56:01.893 --> 00:56:03.514
$24 billion in the quarter,

00:56:03.773 --> 00:56:05.054
and they reported $26 billion.

00:56:06.474 --> 00:56:06.673
up 18% from Q4,

00:56:06.693 --> 00:56:07.994
and they were up 262% from Q1 a year ago,

00:56:08.014 --> 00:56:08.833
because they're a little bit off.

00:56:08.853 --> 00:56:09.313
This is Q1 2025 for them.

00:56:09.394 --> 00:56:10.315
The data center revenue is $22.6 billion,

00:56:10.335 --> 00:56:11.534
up 23% from Q4, and 427% from a year ago.

00:56:11.635 --> 00:56:12.255
And they're not even saving

00:56:12.295 --> 00:56:12.954
from gamers this year.

00:56:12.974 --> 00:56:13.295
They're not.

00:56:13.315 --> 00:56:14.215
So the data center revenue

00:56:14.235 --> 00:56:16.076
is up 427% from a year ago.

00:56:16.096 --> 00:56:16.956
If you actually look at the

00:56:16.976 --> 00:56:18.056
quarterly revenue over

00:56:36.172 --> 00:56:36.331
I mean,

00:56:36.351 --> 00:56:37.293
you want to see where the money's going,

00:56:37.313 --> 00:56:37.552
boys.

00:56:39.974 --> 00:56:43.934
The actual, still at a 78% gross margin.

00:56:44.115 --> 00:56:46.076
Like, what the fuck?

00:56:47.077 --> 00:56:48.056
And where's that?

00:56:48.077 --> 00:56:48.717
I had a nice graph.

00:56:48.898 --> 00:56:49.958
But I think- How much?

00:56:50.438 --> 00:56:52.518
How much gross margin?

00:56:52.539 --> 00:56:52.518
78.4%.

00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:54.920
Fucking hell.

00:56:55.380 --> 00:56:56.340
You know that they've got a

00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:57.981
fucking monopoly on a market where-

00:56:58.762 --> 00:57:01.971
Your margins is 78% 26,

00:57:01.971 --> 00:57:03.746
26 billion in revenue on 16

00:57:03.746 --> 00:57:06.288
or actually 17 billion on

00:57:06.407 --> 00:57:09.750
operating income, 14.8 on net income.

00:57:10.010 --> 00:57:11.351
It's fucking insane.

00:57:11.371 --> 00:57:12.731
$6 a share.

00:57:13.472 --> 00:57:13.992
Unbelievable.

00:57:14.072 --> 00:57:15.152
I didn't want to buy the stock.

00:57:15.172 --> 00:57:15.853
It's at $500.

00:57:16.014 --> 00:57:17.775
I'm like, this is totally overpriced.

00:57:18.655 --> 00:57:18.815
Good.

00:57:19.815 --> 00:57:22.257
Smart, smart.

00:57:22.418 --> 00:57:22.597
Yeah.

00:57:22.617 --> 00:57:23.038
They'll have a,

00:57:23.338 --> 00:57:25.519
just a fucking blowout quarter again.

00:57:26.717 --> 00:57:27.978
they they projected 28

00:57:27.978 --> 00:57:28.677
billion for this next

00:57:28.717 --> 00:57:30.420
quarter so whatever that is

00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:31.519
I don't know what it is but

00:57:34.041 --> 00:57:36.242
the problem with massive

00:57:36.302 --> 00:57:38.844
quarters is that you know

00:57:38.885 --> 00:57:40.385
they're experiencing like a

00:57:42.146 --> 00:57:43.648
a boom on supply right

00:57:43.927 --> 00:57:45.489
because they can charge

00:57:45.528 --> 00:57:47.289
that those massive margins

00:57:47.349 --> 00:57:48.451
because it's like no one

00:57:48.490 --> 00:57:49.590
else is supplying that type

00:57:49.610 --> 00:57:50.851
of stuff but also like a

00:57:50.891 --> 00:57:52.952
lot of people have come on

00:57:53.012 --> 00:57:54.153
market and wanted this

00:57:54.193 --> 00:57:55.494
stuff all at once right what

00:57:56.362 --> 00:57:57.364
What happens to that share

00:57:57.403 --> 00:57:58.965
price after the demand falls off?

00:57:59.364 --> 00:58:03.447
And then you get this on...

00:58:04.929 --> 00:58:07.311
It's like an unsustainable

00:58:08.331 --> 00:58:10.172
temporary boon in the market.

00:58:10.253 --> 00:58:12.293
I don't think that this type

00:58:12.333 --> 00:58:13.635
of demand will continue

00:58:13.795 --> 00:58:16.356
into infinity like gamer

00:58:16.396 --> 00:58:21.320
cards that there's a new one every year.

00:58:21.340 --> 00:58:23.702
I think they're pushing the technology...

00:58:24.713 --> 00:58:25.793
already to the limit of what

00:58:25.833 --> 00:58:27.134
they can do with these A100s.

00:58:28.074 --> 00:58:30.416
I don't think it's going to

00:58:30.436 --> 00:58:31.376
be the same type of market

00:58:31.396 --> 00:58:32.416
where everyone's like, oh, geez,

00:58:32.476 --> 00:58:34.597
I need to retrofit my data

00:58:34.617 --> 00:58:38.099
center with the A101 this year.

00:58:38.338 --> 00:58:38.818
You know what I mean?

00:58:38.858 --> 00:58:40.420
It's not like a recurring market.

00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:42.641
I agree with you,

00:58:42.661 --> 00:58:45.222
but I don't know if this is

00:58:45.262 --> 00:58:46.302
a spike or if this is just

00:58:46.443 --> 00:58:47.603
the new normal of sales.

00:58:48.043 --> 00:58:48.503
You know what I mean?

00:58:49.902 --> 00:58:50.983
well I mean that that means

00:58:51.023 --> 00:58:52.023
that there has to be more

00:58:52.063 --> 00:58:53.085
and more and more and more

00:58:53.125 --> 00:58:56.067
and more uh you know people

00:58:56.467 --> 00:58:58.007
coming online with and

00:58:58.047 --> 00:58:59.449
needing more capacity where

00:58:59.809 --> 00:59:00.590
I think you've seen like a

00:59:00.630 --> 00:59:02.911
massive spike in in all

00:59:02.972 --> 00:59:04.773
these startups right and

00:59:05.373 --> 00:59:06.375
all needing their own

00:59:06.554 --> 00:59:09.436
hardware and then you know

00:59:09.516 --> 00:59:10.978
once once those orders are

00:59:10.998 --> 00:59:12.860
filled you you need either

00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:14.061
more startups or you need

00:59:14.101 --> 00:59:14.860
people needing more

00:59:15.936 --> 00:59:16.235
Well,

00:59:16.335 --> 00:59:18.597
I know both Amazon and Azure are

00:59:18.637 --> 00:59:19.617
building these things.

00:59:19.657 --> 00:59:20.998
They're both in this market

00:59:21.099 --> 00:59:21.778
to try to build these

00:59:21.798 --> 00:59:22.639
things themselves because

00:59:23.340 --> 00:59:24.300
why wouldn't they?

00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:25.141
Why do they want to depend

00:59:25.181 --> 00:59:26.581
on somebody else for that

00:59:26.601 --> 00:59:27.461
ability to be able to drive

00:59:27.481 --> 00:59:28.282
that many IOPS, right?

00:59:29.123 --> 00:59:30.643
Or whatever the hell they call it,

00:59:30.724 --> 00:59:33.824
whatever the fucking GPU thing is.

00:59:33.885 --> 00:59:34.264
I mean,

00:59:34.525 --> 00:59:35.806
the best thing that can happen for

00:59:35.905 --> 00:59:39.148
AI is for... Blockchain?

00:59:40.708 --> 00:59:40.889
No.

00:59:41.902 --> 00:59:42.784
No.

00:59:42.824 --> 00:59:46.144
Did I hear Akash?

00:59:49.686 --> 00:59:50.047
Yeah, man.

00:59:50.106 --> 00:59:52.248
It's like someone running

00:59:53.088 --> 00:59:53.829
51080s on a cache.

00:59:53.969 --> 00:59:55.150
It's like fucking AI, baby.

00:59:55.170 --> 00:59:58.170
It's a market.

00:59:59.572 --> 00:59:59.632
No,

00:59:59.652 --> 01:00:03.474
it's for AMD to come in with some

01:00:03.514 --> 01:00:04.074
competition.

01:00:04.875 --> 01:00:05.974
Yeah, or Intel too.

01:00:06.054 --> 01:00:06.996
Intel's working on it too.

01:00:07.295 --> 01:00:08.097
Or Intel, yeah.

01:00:08.336 --> 01:00:09.836
Yeah, they're coming along with GPUs now.

01:00:11.260 --> 01:00:12.440
but you know at the moment

01:00:12.460 --> 01:00:14.581
there's just no competition

01:00:14.902 --> 01:00:16.362
and yeah I mean really like

01:00:16.382 --> 01:00:17.943
you want more than just AMD

01:00:17.963 --> 01:00:20.445
because currently like AMD

01:00:20.666 --> 01:00:23.208
and and Nvidia just had a

01:00:23.248 --> 01:00:25.849
geopoly in the graphics

01:00:25.889 --> 01:00:27.510
card market for you know oh

01:00:28.170 --> 01:00:32.634
yeah decades yeah and like it they

01:00:34.295 --> 01:00:35.275
they've only got to beat one

01:00:35.335 --> 01:00:36.577
person right so amd's

01:00:36.637 --> 01:00:37.498
always been a little bit

01:00:37.557 --> 01:00:38.297
cheaper because their

01:00:38.318 --> 01:00:39.199
stuff's always been a

01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:41.380
little bit shittier um it's

01:00:42.322 --> 01:00:43.603
changed sort of you know

01:00:43.643 --> 01:00:44.983
more in the last like five

01:00:45.023 --> 01:00:46.244
or so years they've they've

01:00:46.264 --> 01:00:47.186
sort of caught up to the

01:00:47.226 --> 01:00:48.045
pace a little bit and they

01:00:48.065 --> 01:00:49.788
go blow for blow but even

01:00:49.827 --> 01:00:51.208
still they're always still

01:00:51.228 --> 01:00:53.590
a little bit cheaper than than um

01:00:55.282 --> 01:00:57.344
Nvidia and,

01:00:58.045 --> 01:00:59.925
but the price doesn't move much.

01:00:59.965 --> 01:01:00.746
Like it's still up.

01:01:01.188 --> 01:01:02.208
They're still making really

01:01:02.228 --> 01:01:04.391
good margins on those products.

01:01:05.411 --> 01:01:05.612
Um,

01:01:05.992 --> 01:01:07.994
so they need like a third person just

01:01:08.014 --> 01:01:11.077
to shake up the, like to really, you know,

01:01:11.137 --> 01:01:11.297
want.

01:01:11.954 --> 01:01:12.114
Well,

01:01:12.134 --> 01:01:14.135
I think Intel really wants to be in

01:01:14.175 --> 01:01:16.918
there and their price point shows that.

01:01:17.420 --> 01:01:18.820
And they're in like the

01:01:18.860 --> 01:01:20.282
lower to mid-tier cards on

01:01:20.322 --> 01:01:21.523
the consumer side of things

01:01:21.603 --> 01:01:22.184
at the moment.

01:01:23.085 --> 01:01:24.086
But you can definitely tell

01:01:24.126 --> 01:01:25.807
from their pricing

01:01:26.568 --> 01:01:28.431
structure that they want to

01:01:28.451 --> 01:01:29.231
be in the market and they

01:01:29.251 --> 01:01:29.992
want to be a player.

01:01:30.432 --> 01:01:31.855
And they've got the capital.

01:01:32.989 --> 01:01:34.190
to sustain that as well.

01:01:35.670 --> 01:01:37.070
My understanding is the bigger issue.

01:01:37.150 --> 01:01:38.532
Isn't so much the performance.

01:01:38.731 --> 01:01:40.211
It is the APIs,

01:01:40.831 --> 01:01:41.913
all the APIs for AI are

01:01:42.172 --> 01:01:43.293
built for Nvidia because

01:01:43.333 --> 01:01:44.554
they have four mature ones.

01:01:44.873 --> 01:01:46.313
So that's what AMD really

01:01:46.333 --> 01:01:47.114
needs to catch up on it.

01:01:47.213 --> 01:01:48.135
It's less hardware than it

01:01:48.235 --> 01:01:50.315
is using the hardware, I guess.

01:01:51.155 --> 01:01:51.335
Yeah.

01:01:52.936 --> 01:01:53.476
Yeah, exactly.

01:01:53.516 --> 01:01:55.836
Like they a hundred percent, right.

01:01:55.876 --> 01:01:56.137
They,

01:01:56.197 --> 01:01:57.737
they need to build those features out

01:01:57.797 --> 01:01:58.378
into the.

01:01:59.867 --> 01:02:01.628
the uh you know the games

01:02:01.668 --> 01:02:04.271
themselves so it's the same

01:02:04.891 --> 01:02:05.992
I think I am going to go to

01:02:06.032 --> 01:02:07.313
bed because I literally

01:02:07.353 --> 01:02:09.375
felt myself beginning I

01:02:09.414 --> 01:02:10.115
thought you'd actually

01:02:10.135 --> 01:02:10.976
already gone to bed

01:02:12.688 --> 01:02:16.088
I think I nearly fell asleep for a second.

01:02:16.108 --> 01:02:16.869
I think I might have done

01:02:16.889 --> 01:02:17.690
that thing where you sleep

01:02:17.710 --> 01:02:18.590
with your eyes open.

01:02:19.030 --> 01:02:20.371
I thought you were asleep.

01:02:20.751 --> 01:02:21.391
As soon as you stop talking

01:02:21.411 --> 01:02:21.871
about blockchain,

01:02:21.931 --> 01:02:22.972
I think you start to glaze over.

01:02:23.112 --> 01:02:25.373
You start talking about AI and you're like,

01:02:25.432 --> 01:02:26.413
I don't give a shit.

01:02:26.432 --> 01:02:27.634
Payable coins, payments.

01:02:28.753 --> 01:02:30.974
It needs to be either a

01:02:31.074 --> 01:02:34.836
certain level of consensus

01:02:34.916 --> 01:02:36.137
algorithm involved or a

01:02:36.217 --> 01:02:37.557
certain level of degenerate.

01:02:38.083 --> 01:02:39.724
There's only two things that

01:02:39.744 --> 01:02:40.625
keep my attention.

01:02:40.804 --> 01:02:43.686
Degeneracy and consensus algorithms.

01:02:44.447 --> 01:02:45.648
The rest of it is just like,

01:02:46.168 --> 01:02:47.349
this isn't spicy.

01:02:47.369 --> 01:02:52.273
I don't know what's going on.

01:02:52.293 --> 01:02:53.335
I need to get some sleep.

01:02:53.355 --> 01:02:55.996
I have to talk about

01:02:56.016 --> 01:02:57.137
consensus algorithms for

01:02:57.157 --> 01:03:01.681
two and a half hours tomorrow.

01:03:01.722 --> 01:03:03.163
Get some sleep, my guy.

01:03:03.262 --> 01:03:03.702
Take it easy.

01:03:03.742 --> 01:03:05.364
Put your feet up.

01:03:07.894 --> 01:03:08.014
Yeah,

01:03:08.074 --> 01:03:09.875
I also need to finish formalizing our

01:03:09.914 --> 01:03:10.876
cartel, don't I?

01:03:11.416 --> 01:03:12.815
That node synced,

01:03:13.016 --> 01:03:14.315
but then something came up

01:03:14.356 --> 01:03:16.416
that involved needing to go to hospitals.

01:03:17.516 --> 01:03:18.396
Yeah.

01:03:18.836 --> 01:03:19.737
Speaking of,

01:03:21.237 --> 01:03:22.197
did you guys not see that

01:03:22.478 --> 01:03:25.398
there was a Game of Nodes

01:03:25.438 --> 01:03:27.458
token that just popped up on Injective?

01:03:27.699 --> 01:03:28.599
Shit, I forgot about that.

01:03:29.260 --> 01:03:31.079
That's news.

01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:34.541
What the hell is the... Oh, it's on Pompit,

01:03:34.581 --> 01:03:34.740
right?

01:03:38.103 --> 01:03:38.782
Hold on.

01:03:39.043 --> 01:03:40.224
I'll respond to it real quick.

01:03:40.764 --> 01:03:42.105
I think I saw I had a market

01:03:42.144 --> 01:03:44.306
cap of like $8.

01:03:44.306 --> 01:03:45.106
No, no, no.

01:03:45.525 --> 01:03:46.146
No, sir.

01:03:47.467 --> 01:03:47.967
Much higher.

01:03:48.367 --> 01:03:48.807
It's like $13.

01:03:49.507 --> 01:03:58.311
Do you think putting .fun as your domain,

01:03:58.391 --> 01:03:59.472
you can just do anything then?

01:04:00.052 --> 01:04:00.552
Who did this?

01:04:01.293 --> 01:04:03.614
I think legally the answer is yes.

01:04:04.795 --> 01:04:05.135
That's right.

01:04:05.927 --> 01:04:09.789
So as a completely random aside,

01:04:09.829 --> 01:04:14.090
by the way, I'm on my third, second,

01:04:14.190 --> 01:04:15.851
third round of ethical

01:04:15.891 --> 01:04:18.333
approval on trying to do

01:04:18.353 --> 01:04:19.954
some interviewing of validators,

01:04:20.213 --> 01:04:20.994
which there's a whole bunch

01:04:21.014 --> 01:04:22.034
of stuff as well as some

01:04:22.074 --> 01:04:22.974
conflict of interest stuff

01:04:22.994 --> 01:04:23.974
that makes it difficult, but...

01:04:27.369 --> 01:04:28.768
There isn't much academic

01:04:28.809 --> 01:04:31.389
literature on interviewing node operators,

01:04:31.510 --> 01:04:32.170
as you can imagine,

01:04:32.309 --> 01:04:33.811
about how things actually

01:04:33.851 --> 01:04:34.891
work in the real world.

01:04:34.951 --> 01:04:35.590
So it's actually like a

01:04:35.650 --> 01:04:36.331
quite interesting

01:04:36.550 --> 01:04:37.271
organizational and

01:04:37.331 --> 01:04:38.411
cybersecurity question.

01:04:39.851 --> 01:04:40.952
It turns out massively

01:04:41.092 --> 01:04:42.012
ethically complicated to

01:04:42.052 --> 01:04:43.253
get through because, of course,

01:04:43.293 --> 01:04:44.572
validators are basically an

01:04:44.753 --> 01:04:48.634
uncontacted tribe of... Are they?

01:04:49.914 --> 01:04:50.094
Yeah,

01:04:50.134 --> 01:04:51.273
I mean... That's the way I feel

01:04:51.293 --> 01:04:51.793
sometimes.

01:04:52.215 --> 01:04:52.655
What are the...

01:04:54.733 --> 01:04:54.954
I mean,

01:04:54.974 --> 01:04:56.514
when you start filling in the form

01:04:56.574 --> 01:04:57.135
and you're like,

01:04:57.335 --> 01:04:59.376
what are the potential consequences of,

01:05:00.215 --> 01:05:01.396
you know,

01:05:01.476 --> 01:05:04.197
discovery of opinions and ideas

01:05:04.277 --> 01:05:06.039
and cultural norms within this group?

01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:06.498
And you're like,

01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:08.619
you're like incalculable

01:05:08.659 --> 01:05:11.061
damage to these neckbeards

01:05:11.240 --> 01:05:12.081
when they discover there's

01:05:12.101 --> 01:05:13.581
an outside world outside of

01:05:13.621 --> 01:05:15.322
the couch and the server rack.

01:05:16.244 --> 01:05:18.025
Once they start becoming introspective,

01:05:18.244 --> 01:05:18.925
what'll happen?

01:05:19.606 --> 01:05:20.646
It'll be like that,

01:05:20.847 --> 01:05:22.068
what's the film where he

01:05:22.108 --> 01:05:22.788
goes to the edge of the

01:05:22.827 --> 01:05:24.528
dome and then he opens the door?

01:05:25.230 --> 01:05:25.909
Truman Show.

01:05:26.190 --> 01:05:28.652
It'll be like the Truman Show.

01:05:30.213 --> 01:05:32.454
But I have in my back pocket,

01:05:32.635 --> 01:05:33.695
if it all goes to shit and

01:05:33.735 --> 01:05:35.416
I can't get it through ethics approval,

01:05:35.436 --> 01:05:37.277
I was just like, wait a minute,

01:05:37.637 --> 01:05:38.498
I could just start a

01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:41.179
blockchain with three nodes

01:05:42.061 --> 01:05:43.202
that's running WASM

01:05:44.304 --> 01:05:46.628
make fees zero put the

01:05:46.728 --> 01:05:49.690
questionnaire on there and

01:05:49.731 --> 01:05:50.731
then just tell people I'll

01:05:50.771 --> 01:05:52.034
create an anonymous account

01:05:52.153 --> 01:05:53.454
fill in the questionnaire

01:05:54.096 --> 01:05:55.498
then the data would be not

01:05:55.858 --> 01:05:57.079
on google forms not on

01:05:57.159 --> 01:05:58.400
whatever it would be

01:05:58.541 --> 01:06:00.023
legally in the public

01:06:00.083 --> 01:06:01.583
domain and then admissible

01:06:01.623 --> 01:06:02.885
in a project or those

01:06:04.052 --> 01:06:05.273
know this is we're getting

01:06:05.313 --> 01:06:06.775
into potentially ethical

01:06:06.894 --> 01:06:09.117
problems of like why did

01:06:09.137 --> 01:06:10.597
you circumvent the ethics

01:06:10.657 --> 01:06:12.119
procedure by launching a

01:06:12.139 --> 01:06:14.019
blockchain and a token if

01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:14.661
you put the words

01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:15.902
incentivized test not on

01:06:16.021 --> 01:06:17.262
any form validators or

01:06:17.302 --> 01:06:18.724
input their kids names and

01:06:18.784 --> 01:06:19.724
birthdates and social

01:06:19.744 --> 01:06:21.005
security numbers and like

01:06:21.025 --> 01:06:22.445
their car vins and there's

01:06:22.465 --> 01:06:24.708
license numbers or passwords

01:06:32.260 --> 01:06:34.900
Have people been compensated

01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:35.860
for their time in any way

01:06:35.900 --> 01:06:37.360
that might compromise the study?

01:06:37.740 --> 01:06:40.822
Oh, yeah, we gave them shit coins.

01:06:41.222 --> 01:06:44.762
Can you imagine if that was

01:06:44.822 --> 01:06:46.623
in the appendix for an academic paper?

01:06:46.722 --> 01:06:47.643
Oh, yeah, well, by the way,

01:06:47.682 --> 01:06:48.684
we got these results by

01:06:48.764 --> 01:06:51.063
giving the recipients shit

01:06:51.103 --> 01:06:53.224
coins because we launched a token.

01:06:53.505 --> 01:06:55.344
Don't worry, it's probably not trading.

01:06:55.565 --> 01:06:55.965
Don't worry,

01:06:56.005 --> 01:06:57.264
that's probably not illegal

01:06:57.304 --> 01:06:58.425
yet because the government

01:06:58.485 --> 01:06:59.565
is currently in flux.

01:07:00.545 --> 01:07:01.086
You're like, wait,

01:07:01.347 --> 01:07:02.588
did you say were they

01:07:02.628 --> 01:07:03.630
compensated or were they

01:07:03.769 --> 01:07:05.251
told they would be compensated?

01:07:06.653 --> 01:07:07.574
Porn distinction.

01:07:07.594 --> 01:07:11.400
I think they were not compensated.

01:07:12.141 --> 01:07:13.161
Nobody here was compensated.

01:07:14.211 --> 01:07:15.032
Well, here's the fun thing.

01:07:15.112 --> 01:07:15.833
One of the incentivized

01:07:15.873 --> 01:07:16.994
testnets we just joined,

01:07:17.534 --> 01:07:18.795
they had to put an announcement of like,

01:07:18.876 --> 01:07:20.016
listen, the Google Sheet,

01:07:20.077 --> 01:07:21.577
we don't want your physical address.

01:07:21.637 --> 01:07:23.360
Stop giving us your physical address.

01:07:23.380 --> 01:07:25.181
Because they're asking for

01:07:25.201 --> 01:07:26.563
the validator address.

01:07:27.903 --> 01:07:28.965
So there must be some real

01:07:28.985 --> 01:07:30.925
top-tier knowledgeable validators there.

01:07:30.965 --> 01:07:31.567
That's amazing.

01:07:32.146 --> 01:07:32.507
Yeah.

01:07:32.628 --> 01:07:33.367
Amazing.

01:07:33.427 --> 01:07:34.208
Crave of the crumb.

01:07:34.349 --> 01:07:34.949
Crave of the crumb.

01:07:35.579 --> 01:07:35.820
You know,

01:07:35.860 --> 01:07:37.041
I was saying to somebody else the

01:07:37.081 --> 01:07:38.463
other day that, you know,

01:07:39.103 --> 01:07:39.824
one of the difficulties

01:07:39.864 --> 01:07:41.106
about trying to do research

01:07:41.146 --> 01:07:43.469
in this area is that actually, like,

01:07:44.271 --> 01:07:44.992
I've been doxxed.

01:07:45.052 --> 01:07:46.172
Like, people know who I am.

01:07:46.293 --> 01:07:47.715
Like, a lot of other people know.

01:07:47.735 --> 01:07:49.157
On this show,

01:07:49.177 --> 01:07:50.978
I think I've been doxxed as well, like,

01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:52.961
enough times, particularly by Jake.

01:07:53.867 --> 01:07:58.110
But you have to reveal

01:07:58.231 --> 01:08:00.932
yourself and your university information,

01:08:00.952 --> 01:08:01.873
affiliation,

01:08:02.375 --> 01:08:03.295
contact details and stuff

01:08:03.315 --> 01:08:04.295
like that to do studies.

01:08:04.635 --> 01:08:07.217
And I was trying to explain to people,

01:08:07.237 --> 01:08:09.019
I was like, whoa, I mean, validators,

01:08:09.380 --> 01:08:10.740
we sometimes don't know

01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:12.461
each other until we meet face to face.

01:08:12.501 --> 01:08:13.882
And sometimes we don't ever

01:08:14.384 --> 01:08:16.404
meet and whatever, whatever.

01:08:16.444 --> 01:08:19.207
And they were like, but why?

01:08:19.228 --> 01:08:20.588
And I was like, well,

01:08:23.752 --> 01:08:24.192
And they were like,

01:08:24.332 --> 01:08:24.971
but don't you all

01:08:25.011 --> 01:08:26.313
basically... You must have

01:08:26.393 --> 01:08:27.533
company wrappers and things.

01:08:27.672 --> 01:08:28.472
Like, yeah.

01:08:28.634 --> 01:08:29.713
And you legally probably

01:08:29.774 --> 01:08:30.814
have to list them on your website.

01:08:31.734 --> 01:08:32.034
Yeah.

01:08:33.295 --> 01:08:34.235
So people can look up your

01:08:34.256 --> 01:08:35.456
business address or like

01:08:35.496 --> 01:08:36.877
your registered accountants

01:08:37.037 --> 01:08:38.337
or whoever it is that files

01:08:38.377 --> 01:08:39.417
your company information.

01:08:40.137 --> 01:08:40.457
Oh, yeah.

01:08:40.578 --> 01:08:41.679
So you guys aren't anonymous?

01:08:42.458 --> 01:08:42.658
No.

01:08:42.859 --> 01:08:43.658
So then why don't you tell

01:08:43.698 --> 01:08:44.399
each other your names?

01:08:44.699 --> 01:08:45.439
Look, back up.

01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:46.980
We don't tell each other...

01:08:47.001 --> 01:08:49.421
It's all very anonymous.

01:08:49.541 --> 01:08:50.061
They're just like...

01:08:51.695 --> 01:08:52.917
Are you guys cosplaying?

01:08:53.016 --> 01:08:54.198
And you're like, no, we're not.

01:08:54.358 --> 01:08:55.439
I mean, sort of.

01:08:55.498 --> 01:08:57.461
It's actually very anonymous

01:08:57.581 --> 01:08:59.523
and crypto-y and very

01:09:00.443 --> 01:09:02.925
important and clever and...

01:09:06.247 --> 01:09:06.948
We just don't want the

01:09:06.969 --> 01:09:08.109
cyber police involved.

01:09:08.289 --> 01:09:08.710
That's right.

01:09:09.010 --> 01:09:10.731
We need them to remain the same.

01:09:12.432 --> 01:09:12.873
And they were like,

01:09:12.934 --> 01:09:13.713
it doesn't really sound

01:09:13.734 --> 01:09:14.555
like any of you are very

01:09:14.574 --> 01:09:15.655
anonymous at all.

01:09:15.716 --> 01:09:16.756
And I'm like, no, no, no.

01:09:17.617 --> 01:09:17.896
Yes.

01:09:18.117 --> 01:09:19.018
Yes, basically, yes.

01:09:19.137 --> 01:09:20.219
Yes, basically, we're cosplaying.

01:09:20.238 --> 01:09:20.679
I'm sorry.

01:09:20.698 --> 01:09:21.800
We're just cosplaying.

01:09:21.819 --> 01:09:22.720
That's what we're doing.

01:09:24.742 --> 01:09:27.123
Somebody just bought 0.6 Injective.

01:09:27.463 --> 01:09:28.244
That was you, Arma.

01:09:29.126 --> 01:09:29.645
I'm disappointed.

01:09:29.666 --> 01:09:31.768
I was expecting about 36 or 40 Injective,

01:09:31.847 --> 01:09:32.889
but we'll take it.

01:09:33.988 --> 01:09:34.270
Start.

01:09:35.270 --> 01:09:35.730
I need to do it.

01:09:35.770 --> 01:09:37.271
I'm hopping in this today.

01:09:38.353 --> 01:09:39.353
Let's get this thing over a cent.

01:09:39.974 --> 01:09:40.894
I am actually going to go.

01:09:41.533 --> 01:09:43.715
Hey, buy some goon before you go to bed.

01:09:44.095 --> 01:09:45.795
I will absolutely.

01:09:45.854 --> 01:09:47.836
I'm going to go pump it.

01:09:48.155 --> 01:09:50.296
While your decision-making is poor.

01:09:51.157 --> 01:09:52.277
It is poor.

01:09:52.797 --> 01:09:52.957
No,

01:09:52.997 --> 01:09:55.078
I'm going to have a slice of toast

01:09:55.097 --> 01:09:55.557
because then my

01:09:55.597 --> 01:09:58.559
decision-making will be excellent.

01:09:59.260 --> 01:10:00.079
Nah, bad idea.

01:10:01.560 --> 01:10:02.560
Do you guys have goon in

01:10:02.581 --> 01:10:03.621
your respective countries?

01:10:05.240 --> 01:10:05.742
We have goons.

01:10:05.761 --> 01:10:06.981
Like a goon sack.

01:10:07.876 --> 01:10:08.417
I'm really tired.

01:10:08.436 --> 01:10:09.457
Sorry, I'm really, really tired.

01:10:09.596 --> 01:10:10.717
I nearly ended the stream.

01:10:10.778 --> 01:10:11.139
Fuck off.

01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:12.159
I've been leaving,

01:10:12.220 --> 01:10:13.060
so I'm just going to go.

01:10:13.260 --> 01:10:15.002
Is that what Neldon did that one time?

01:10:15.141 --> 01:10:15.983
That's what Neldon did when

01:10:16.002 --> 01:10:16.802
he was in Denver, remember?

01:10:17.623 --> 01:10:18.484
That was so funny.

01:10:18.545 --> 01:10:19.826
That was hilarious.

01:10:19.865 --> 01:10:20.466
Like, I'm leaving.

01:10:20.987 --> 01:10:23.228
Oh, yeah,

01:10:23.268 --> 01:10:24.829
just ended the whole fucking stream.

01:10:25.170 --> 01:10:25.710
Shit, we're done.

01:10:25.930 --> 01:10:26.251
Yeah.

01:10:27.332 --> 01:10:27.792
Oh, okay.

01:10:27.891 --> 01:10:28.592
Oh, my goodness.

01:10:28.912 --> 01:10:29.372
Okay, then.

01:10:29.854 --> 01:10:30.434
Hey,

01:10:30.573 --> 01:10:32.175
end of financial year coming up in

01:10:32.215 --> 01:10:32.655
Australia.

01:10:33.296 --> 01:10:33.537
Is it?

01:10:34.256 --> 01:10:34.957
Super exciting, right?

01:10:34.978 --> 01:10:35.337
Tax time?

01:10:36.351 --> 01:10:38.493
Oh, get to pay tax, baby.

01:10:39.533 --> 01:10:41.215
What are you going to do?

01:10:41.574 --> 01:10:43.136
You got to pay on holdings or something?

01:10:43.155 --> 01:10:43.576
Is that what it is?

01:10:44.435 --> 01:10:45.516
You got to make money to pay

01:10:45.596 --> 01:10:48.798
money around here.

01:10:48.819 --> 01:10:52.121
Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:10:52.841 --> 01:10:53.301
Wow, no,

01:10:53.341 --> 01:10:54.381
we don't talk about my tax

01:10:54.402 --> 01:10:57.503
strategy over here.

01:10:57.543 --> 01:11:02.546
We have talked about it.

01:11:02.565 --> 01:11:03.747
The government's watching.

01:11:04.087 --> 01:11:05.667
We don't talk about tax strategy.

01:11:06.873 --> 01:11:08.354
Yeah, but you know, exciting times.

01:11:08.375 --> 01:11:09.795
You got to get all your ducks in a row,

01:11:10.034 --> 01:11:11.015
try and figure out what the

01:11:11.055 --> 01:11:11.935
fuck just happened for the

01:11:11.975 --> 01:11:15.497
last 12 months and get out your beans,

01:11:15.957 --> 01:11:17.177
push them all to the side

01:11:17.238 --> 01:11:20.319
there and see if you made any money.

01:11:21.460 --> 01:11:23.900
Your abacus.

01:11:24.140 --> 01:11:25.141
The abacus, yeah.

01:11:25.542 --> 01:11:26.681
Or just the sacks of beans,

01:11:26.981 --> 01:11:28.903
put them in their little circles,

01:11:29.483 --> 01:11:30.823
depending on what happens.

01:11:31.243 --> 01:11:32.064
What's the good thing you're

01:11:32.085 --> 01:11:32.664
talking about?

01:11:32.944 --> 01:11:33.104
What?

01:11:33.779 --> 01:11:36.261
goon sack yeah it's uh in

01:11:36.301 --> 01:11:37.381
australia you know your

01:11:37.462 --> 01:11:38.903
your box wine it comes with

01:11:38.943 --> 01:11:41.764
the the um the little

01:11:41.844 --> 01:11:44.024
silver uh bladder inside

01:11:44.045 --> 01:11:46.766
yeah yeah yeah yeah so in

01:11:46.787 --> 01:11:47.926
australia we call that a

01:11:48.006 --> 01:11:49.948
goon sack and the wine

01:11:49.967 --> 01:11:52.729
that's in a goon really

01:11:52.750 --> 01:11:54.810
yeah I don't know what goon

01:11:54.850 --> 01:11:56.492
stands for but it's not tasty

01:12:00.875 --> 01:12:02.796
uh you do yeah robin knows

01:12:02.817 --> 01:12:05.579
what I'm on about yeah but

01:12:05.819 --> 01:12:07.662
uh you know you can double

01:12:07.681 --> 01:12:09.502
them up as a pillow after

01:12:09.523 --> 01:12:11.345
you're done I mean just the

01:12:11.425 --> 01:12:12.546
empty set wherever you are

01:12:13.046 --> 01:12:15.127
yeah yeah yeah blow it back

01:12:15.208 --> 01:12:17.390
up let's pull back cork it

01:12:17.430 --> 01:12:21.094
up blow back up cork it up

01:12:21.154 --> 01:12:22.215
what kind of goon sex do

01:12:22.234 --> 01:12:23.355
you guys have a fucking

01:12:23.416 --> 01:12:25.297
cork yeah there's no cork enough yeah

01:12:26.846 --> 01:12:27.707
That's just a tap.

01:12:28.688 --> 01:12:31.548
I've seen handbags that you

01:12:31.569 --> 01:12:33.029
can fit a goon sack into.

01:12:33.109 --> 01:12:34.609
It's got the little nozzle

01:12:35.010 --> 01:12:36.550
under a little flap down the bottom.

01:12:37.310 --> 01:12:38.831
So while you're doing your groceries,

01:12:38.850 --> 01:12:41.832
you can just like get a little tip.

01:12:41.912 --> 01:12:43.313
That's like the most

01:12:43.372 --> 01:12:43.972
Australian thing you've

01:12:43.993 --> 01:12:44.592
ever said on this show.

01:12:46.153 --> 01:12:50.274
Oh, yeah.

01:12:50.335 --> 01:12:50.795
Man,

01:12:50.854 --> 01:12:52.456
you haven't experienced life until

01:12:52.475 --> 01:12:53.475
you've seen like some...

01:12:54.530 --> 01:12:57.012
40-something woman in the

01:12:57.353 --> 01:12:59.635
grocery market getting a

01:12:59.676 --> 01:13:00.576
hit on her handbag.

01:13:00.595 --> 01:13:03.859
A little straw sticking up.

01:13:06.360 --> 01:13:06.721
Speaking of that,

01:13:06.742 --> 01:13:08.002
should we bring some Goon Sacks?

01:13:08.042 --> 01:13:08.443
Next week,

01:13:08.823 --> 01:13:10.984
I'm going to see you guys on

01:13:11.005 --> 01:13:11.945
less than a week, right?

01:13:11.966 --> 01:13:14.868
What the hell?

01:13:16.310 --> 01:13:17.350
Coming to America.

01:13:17.730 --> 01:13:18.851
Coming to America, yeah.

01:13:19.113 --> 01:13:19.453
Look at that.

01:13:21.078 --> 01:13:22.658
I signed up for a shitload

01:13:22.717 --> 01:13:24.878
of Luma things that are slowly coming in.

01:13:24.939 --> 01:13:26.479
I'll put a list together.

01:13:26.500 --> 01:13:27.439
I'm going to create a list for you guys.

01:13:27.460 --> 01:13:28.600
So we can, if you're,

01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:30.301
we should at least try to,

01:13:30.820 --> 01:13:31.520
if there's some things we

01:13:31.541 --> 01:13:32.220
can go to the same thing,

01:13:32.261 --> 01:13:33.640
but I went through like a

01:13:33.701 --> 01:13:34.362
couple of different Excel

01:13:34.381 --> 01:13:35.801
lists and I invited myself to everything.

01:13:36.442 --> 01:13:40.002
So I have been like, just denied so much.

01:13:41.123 --> 01:13:41.944
I haven't got denied yet.

01:13:41.984 --> 01:13:42.724
I'm still on a bunch of wait

01:13:42.743 --> 01:13:43.363
lists and I have gotten

01:13:43.384 --> 01:13:44.344
approved for a couple of things,

01:13:45.145 --> 01:13:46.305
but it's kind of like coming and going.

01:13:47.604 --> 01:13:47.904
We'll see.

01:13:48.564 --> 01:13:49.505
And then I need to send you guys,

01:13:49.545 --> 01:13:51.166
I'll send you guys info for

01:13:51.206 --> 01:13:53.065
the place and everything else too,

01:13:53.126 --> 01:13:54.947
because I get there different.

01:13:55.006 --> 01:13:55.487
Oh yeah.

01:13:55.947 --> 01:13:56.567
Oh yeah.

01:13:56.587 --> 01:13:57.686
Where are we staying?

01:13:58.707 --> 01:13:59.207
Oh yeah.

01:13:59.228 --> 01:14:06.189
I think, I think me and soap nodes.

01:14:08.470 --> 01:14:08.829
Yeah.

01:14:08.890 --> 01:14:09.369
Yeah.

01:14:09.449 --> 01:14:09.670
Yeah.

01:14:10.411 --> 01:14:11.030
Yeah.

01:14:11.251 --> 01:14:11.711
Early.

01:14:13.310 --> 01:14:13.671
Yeah.

01:14:13.690 --> 01:14:13.990
Yeah.

01:14:14.011 --> 01:14:15.511
So funny, funny story.

01:14:16.654 --> 01:14:18.555
I booked a hotel for the 27th, right?

01:14:19.876 --> 01:14:23.658
And I don't know how I managed to do this,

01:14:23.819 --> 01:14:26.440
but I booked it for the 27th of July.

01:14:26.461 --> 01:14:28.301
Okay.

01:14:29.203 --> 01:14:30.444
You should be able to find a hotel easy,

01:14:30.503 --> 01:14:30.604
right?

01:14:30.623 --> 01:14:32.784
It doesn't matter.

01:14:32.805 --> 01:14:33.265
Yeah.

01:14:33.706 --> 01:14:34.587
It took a couple of goes,

01:14:34.606 --> 01:14:35.546
but I emailed them and they

01:14:35.587 --> 01:14:37.809
changed it to May.

01:14:38.328 --> 01:14:39.250
Oh, okay.

01:14:41.350 --> 01:14:41.952
That's good.

01:14:41.971 --> 01:14:43.011
I just realized that.

01:14:44.351 --> 01:14:45.993
didn't I think last uh let's

01:14:46.012 --> 01:14:47.073
see maybe less than a week

01:14:47.094 --> 01:14:47.753
ago I realized I didn't

01:14:47.774 --> 01:14:48.895
have a flight so I took

01:14:48.914 --> 01:14:50.176
care of that so now I can

01:14:50.216 --> 01:14:50.935
actually show up that's

01:14:50.956 --> 01:14:54.057
good my god man I did are

01:14:54.097 --> 01:14:56.679
you hiring a car no uh no

01:14:57.920 --> 01:14:58.820
no I don't think so I think

01:14:58.841 --> 01:14:59.600
we could uber it everywhere

01:14:59.701 --> 01:15:01.181
if we need to or and the

01:15:01.202 --> 01:15:02.622
place we got is pretty

01:15:02.662 --> 01:15:03.644
close to downtown so and

01:15:03.663 --> 01:15:04.783
there's those fucking bikes

01:15:04.844 --> 01:15:07.065
everywhere too there's both

01:15:07.105 --> 01:15:07.905
like the airport's pretty

01:15:07.926 --> 01:15:08.947
close to downtown too right

01:15:11.328 --> 01:15:12.207
It can't be too far.

01:15:12.547 --> 01:15:13.649
I don't remember off the top of my head.

01:15:13.729 --> 01:15:14.748
It's got to be less than 20 minutes,

01:15:14.868 --> 01:15:15.088
maybe.

01:15:15.109 --> 01:15:18.269
It's not like Denver where

01:15:18.288 --> 01:15:19.350
you're in the car for a fucking hour.

01:15:21.149 --> 01:15:23.470
Yeah, we'll have to discuss.

01:15:23.970 --> 01:15:24.871
I'm staying pretty close to

01:15:24.890 --> 01:15:25.631
the airport on the 27th,

01:15:25.650 --> 01:15:27.230
so I'll probably be in that

01:15:27.291 --> 01:15:29.570
area when you rock up anyway.

01:15:29.711 --> 01:15:29.791
28th,

01:15:29.850 --> 01:15:30.931
I think we can't get in the house

01:15:30.971 --> 01:15:33.891
until like 3 and all that

01:15:33.912 --> 01:15:34.391
kind of good stuff.

01:15:34.572 --> 01:15:34.851
It depends.

01:15:34.912 --> 01:15:35.771
Are we going to do a Game of

01:15:35.792 --> 01:15:36.972
Nodes next week is the real question.

01:15:36.993 --> 01:15:38.073
Are we going to try to put

01:15:38.092 --> 01:15:38.653
something together again?

01:15:39.382 --> 01:15:40.682
Kind of depends on what's going on.

01:15:41.743 --> 01:15:43.503
We always say we're going to,

01:15:43.543 --> 01:15:44.625
and then we're like, no,

01:15:44.645 --> 01:15:46.284
we've got other stuff going on.

01:15:46.324 --> 01:15:47.185
It's late at night.

01:15:47.206 --> 01:15:47.786
We're probably just going to

01:15:47.805 --> 01:15:49.326
be drunk anyway.

01:15:49.666 --> 01:15:49.966
Also,

01:15:49.985 --> 01:15:52.386
we're not going to have any kind of

01:15:52.447 --> 01:15:53.188
decent equipment,

01:15:53.247 --> 01:15:54.587
so it'll just be like...

01:15:55.908 --> 01:15:57.328
You know in those scenes

01:15:57.429 --> 01:16:00.590
where in their own head, they're like,

01:16:00.609 --> 01:16:03.310
yeah, it's all fucking good.

01:16:03.730 --> 01:16:05.150
They're on their microphones

01:16:05.190 --> 01:16:06.532
and they're doing their podcast and...

01:16:08.324 --> 01:16:09.886
and then like in reality

01:16:09.966 --> 01:16:11.087
it's just like everyone's

01:16:11.148 --> 01:16:17.612
in their room going it was

01:16:17.632 --> 01:16:19.554
just like that yeah people

01:16:19.573 --> 01:16:20.534
just like oh man that was

01:16:20.555 --> 01:16:21.895
the best podcast ever it

01:16:21.916 --> 01:16:24.358
was like maybe we'll just

01:16:24.457 --> 01:16:25.417
live stream ourselves from

01:16:25.438 --> 01:16:26.359
the liquor store maybe

01:16:26.378 --> 01:16:27.100
that's that's kind of more

01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:30.601
on brand I think maybe texas gun store

01:16:33.355 --> 01:16:33.636
Yeah.

01:16:34.176 --> 01:16:34.315
Yeah.

01:16:34.377 --> 01:16:34.936
Actually, I'm credit.

01:16:34.957 --> 01:16:35.216
I just said,

01:16:35.237 --> 01:16:36.578
make sure you shoot some funds.

01:16:36.978 --> 01:16:37.738
That's a pretty good idea.

01:16:37.898 --> 01:16:39.238
Actually, there are some,

01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:41.000
there's some great ranges in Austin.

01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:42.820
So maybe one day we'll have

01:16:42.841 --> 01:16:43.581
to break away from this

01:16:43.621 --> 01:16:44.662
crap and go get some

01:16:44.681 --> 01:16:45.742
barbecue and go shoot something.

01:16:46.462 --> 01:16:47.023
That's always a good.

01:16:47.143 --> 01:16:49.404
I'm going to be eating a lot of barbecue.

01:16:50.984 --> 01:16:53.025
I went and got a bit of a,

01:16:53.565 --> 01:16:54.506
I went and disappointed

01:16:54.546 --> 01:16:55.787
myself on the weekend with

01:16:55.806 --> 01:16:56.908
some local barbecue.

01:16:56.967 --> 01:16:58.948
So I'm good to go now.

01:17:00.029 --> 01:17:00.289
Yep.

01:17:01.229 --> 01:17:01.449
I know.

01:17:02.970 --> 01:17:03.091
Yep.

01:17:03.644 --> 01:17:04.685
I know we have a plan for,

01:17:04.966 --> 01:17:06.067
we have one small plan,

01:17:06.087 --> 01:17:08.149
but I think it would be good to,

01:17:08.208 --> 01:17:09.250
we got to get a barbecue

01:17:09.270 --> 01:17:10.270
plan going for sure.

01:17:11.773 --> 01:17:12.753
Well,

01:17:12.774 --> 01:17:14.895
a friend of the show suggested we go

01:17:14.916 --> 01:17:15.737
to the Alamo.

01:17:15.756 --> 01:17:16.698
Has anyone been there?

01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:19.079
I have been.

01:17:20.041 --> 01:17:20.280
Yeah.

01:17:20.561 --> 01:17:20.742
And?

01:17:20.862 --> 01:17:21.021
Yeah.

01:17:21.903 --> 01:17:22.663
Is it a non-event or?

01:17:23.307 --> 01:17:23.967
I'd rather go and get a

01:17:24.007 --> 01:17:24.729
barbecue somewhere.

01:17:26.208 --> 01:17:28.510
It's cool.

01:17:28.730 --> 01:17:30.971
It is a piece of Americana history.

01:17:32.011 --> 01:17:32.953
Since you're not from here,

01:17:33.493 --> 01:17:34.832
it is also not very impressive.

01:17:36.913 --> 01:17:38.534
You're like, why did we come all this way?

01:17:39.716 --> 01:17:41.817
Something we could definitely do.

01:17:42.917 --> 01:17:47.038
Something we definitely do.

01:17:47.158 --> 01:17:50.280
Are you going back home as soon as

01:17:51.559 --> 01:17:53.079
event finish situation

01:17:53.100 --> 01:17:55.582
saturday do you know what

01:17:55.601 --> 01:17:56.282
I'm going to be excited

01:17:56.322 --> 01:17:58.122
about this year not fucking

01:17:58.444 --> 01:18:00.024
dying from like altitude

01:18:00.064 --> 01:18:02.846
poisoning yeah exactly last

01:18:02.907 --> 01:18:04.006
time it's gonna be hot

01:18:04.046 --> 01:18:05.007
though that'll be that'll

01:18:05.028 --> 01:18:06.269
be the balance but it will

01:18:06.309 --> 01:18:08.029
be it'll be hot I can do

01:18:08.050 --> 01:18:10.192
fucking altitude poisoning

01:18:10.271 --> 01:18:15.215
I cannot do agreed the air is thick

01:18:16.608 --> 01:18:19.689
Yeah, it was – man, Denver was so fucked.

01:18:20.469 --> 01:18:23.750
Coming off like an 18-hour

01:18:23.810 --> 01:18:26.091
flight or like a 20 – I

01:18:26.110 --> 01:18:27.530
think it was like a 25-hour

01:18:27.570 --> 01:18:29.851
travel day into like that

01:18:30.311 --> 01:18:32.412
altitude and then trying to

01:18:32.832 --> 01:18:35.693
go and like meet people and do biz dev,

01:18:35.733 --> 01:18:37.854
I was just like fucked for

01:18:37.894 --> 01:18:38.413
the whole week.

01:18:38.913 --> 01:18:40.194
I think I was sick as well.

01:18:40.975 --> 01:18:42.574
Then we went to that fucking

01:18:42.614 --> 01:18:43.335
other mountain and it was

01:18:43.354 --> 01:18:45.136
like fucking kill me.

01:18:46.728 --> 01:18:46.828
Yeah,

01:18:46.868 --> 01:18:51.710
you're going to have a bit of a time

01:18:51.729 --> 01:18:52.390
zone change, aren't you?

01:18:52.789 --> 01:18:53.511
You should be all right, though.

01:18:53.591 --> 01:18:54.070
Yeah,

01:18:54.270 --> 01:18:56.292
I'll be lagged out for a couple of days,

01:18:56.311 --> 01:18:56.712
probably.

01:18:57.351 --> 01:18:59.432
Just drag your ass.

01:18:59.453 --> 01:18:59.853
I don't know.

01:18:59.912 --> 01:19:00.793
Hopefully, well,

01:19:00.814 --> 01:19:03.033
at least I'll only be battling one demon.

01:19:03.074 --> 01:19:05.956
I won't be jet lag and

01:19:05.996 --> 01:19:07.155
fucking altitude poisoning.

01:19:07.716 --> 01:19:07.956
Yes.

01:19:09.596 --> 01:19:10.356
That was so funny.

01:19:10.697 --> 01:19:11.578
All those people walking

01:19:11.597 --> 01:19:13.118
around with the cans.

01:19:13.618 --> 01:19:14.059
The cans.

01:19:14.078 --> 01:19:14.458
Yeah.

01:19:16.529 --> 01:19:17.850
We got, well, that, that was,

01:19:18.029 --> 01:19:18.930
that was what, two years ago.

01:19:18.951 --> 01:19:19.511
That was 23, right?

01:19:19.530 --> 01:19:20.110
So we got, we got,

01:19:20.270 --> 01:19:21.430
we went to Denver and that was fine.

01:19:21.451 --> 01:19:22.992
And then we, we drove up to Breckenridge.

01:19:23.011 --> 01:19:24.072
There was a bunch of us that

01:19:24.112 --> 01:19:25.712
went up there and we went

01:19:25.752 --> 01:19:26.712
to dinner that first night.

01:19:26.731 --> 01:19:27.813
Remember, if you remember, we got there,

01:19:28.092 --> 01:19:28.912
we got there a little bit

01:19:29.313 --> 01:19:30.573
in the afternoon or something, right?

01:19:30.592 --> 01:19:31.854
And we got places and we were like, Hey,

01:19:31.873 --> 01:19:32.533
let's go to this dinner.

01:19:32.594 --> 01:19:34.434
We knew that cool little steak place,

01:19:34.573 --> 01:19:35.014
something else.

01:19:35.033 --> 01:19:36.835
It was like kind of old town type of thing,

01:19:36.854 --> 01:19:37.375
which is great.

01:19:38.234 --> 01:19:39.756
And we went to the gas station beforehand.

01:19:39.796 --> 01:19:41.757
We saw those canisters like

01:19:41.837 --> 01:19:42.958
sitting around and we were

01:19:42.998 --> 01:19:43.760
like laughing about it.

01:19:43.779 --> 01:19:44.560
Like, what the hell is this?

01:19:44.581 --> 01:19:44.720
Like,

01:19:44.740 --> 01:19:46.061
you gotta fucking suck on oxygen and

01:19:46.101 --> 01:19:46.403
everything.

01:19:46.422 --> 01:19:48.225
We're like, yeah.

01:19:48.824 --> 01:19:49.765
We walked right past them, right?

01:19:49.786 --> 01:19:50.886
And then somebody bought them at,

01:19:51.287 --> 01:19:51.988
somebody had them at dinner.

01:19:52.009 --> 01:19:52.788
Like somebody had one or two

01:19:52.809 --> 01:19:53.789
and we were like, I took a hit off it.

01:19:53.810 --> 01:19:54.591
I was like, oh, that's interesting.

01:19:54.610 --> 01:19:55.391
I'm like, why would it, like,

01:19:55.452 --> 01:19:56.052
I don't understand.

01:19:56.453 --> 01:19:57.154
And like, you're right.

01:19:57.213 --> 01:19:58.215
Like four hours later, I'm like, fuck,

01:19:58.375 --> 01:19:59.055
I should have bought one of

01:19:59.076 --> 01:19:59.796
those fucking cans.

01:19:59.817 --> 01:19:59.976
Yeah.

01:20:01.873 --> 01:20:02.453
It's laying in bed.

01:20:02.673 --> 01:20:03.194
God damn it.

01:20:03.234 --> 01:20:03.975
Those fucking cans.

01:20:04.534 --> 01:20:05.774
Like I would pay a million dollars.

01:20:06.274 --> 01:20:06.654
First I was like,

01:20:06.675 --> 01:20:07.916
who would pay $10 for air?

01:20:07.935 --> 01:20:08.336
And then I was like,

01:20:08.416 --> 01:20:09.395
I would pay a thousand

01:20:09.416 --> 01:20:10.235
dollars for one of those

01:20:10.256 --> 01:20:10.856
things right now.

01:20:12.377 --> 01:20:16.297
Well, I was, I was like, yeah,

01:20:16.438 --> 01:20:17.037
the push is cool.

01:20:17.458 --> 01:20:18.279
They cook your own, right?

01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:18.618
Yeah.

01:20:19.420 --> 01:20:20.820
yeah it was really fun

01:20:20.980 --> 01:20:22.322
because so the way it works

01:20:22.483 --> 01:20:23.904
is there's this big old

01:20:23.944 --> 01:20:25.085
grill it was probably what

01:20:25.145 --> 01:20:26.565
four six four feet by six

01:20:26.605 --> 01:20:28.226
feet or so easy yeah easy

01:20:28.328 --> 01:20:29.748
yeah bunch of people

01:20:29.769 --> 01:20:30.670
standing around all cooking

01:20:30.710 --> 01:20:31.911
their steaks on the grill

01:20:32.890 --> 01:20:34.032
there was so much judgment

01:20:34.051 --> 01:20:35.193
being thrown around I was

01:20:35.233 --> 01:20:37.295
just like basking in it all

01:20:37.335 --> 01:20:38.895
these guys being like I'm

01:20:38.916 --> 01:20:39.497
looking at this guy like

01:20:39.516 --> 01:20:42.939
you flip your stick yeah I

01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:45.341
was just like oh man this

01:20:45.421 --> 01:20:47.463
is glorious exactly

01:20:50.109 --> 01:20:51.430
Your steak shouldn't be on fire.

01:20:52.350 --> 01:20:54.612
So much advice and judgment.

01:20:54.652 --> 01:20:58.895
There's lots of advice.

01:20:59.515 --> 01:21:01.077
I personally don't think a

01:21:01.136 --> 01:21:02.037
lot of the advice being

01:21:02.057 --> 01:21:03.158
thrown around was very good.

01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:06.661
I agree.

01:21:06.701 --> 01:21:07.581
There are a lot of steaks

01:21:07.621 --> 01:21:10.623
being flipped too early.

01:21:11.123 --> 01:21:12.064
I definitely noticed some

01:21:12.085 --> 01:21:13.565
steak that was on there too long.

01:21:14.065 --> 01:21:14.826
Strictly speaking.

01:21:17.516 --> 01:21:18.237
I don't think it was in our group,

01:21:18.277 --> 01:21:20.018
but somebody was literally on fire.

01:21:20.137 --> 01:21:20.398
I was like,

01:21:20.917 --> 01:21:22.019
you can have flames touching it,

01:21:22.059 --> 01:21:23.298
but the thing itself should

01:21:23.420 --> 01:21:24.979
not be on fire.

01:21:25.820 --> 01:21:26.780
Ideally.

01:21:26.860 --> 01:21:27.220
It's not.

01:21:27.581 --> 01:21:29.341
This isn't a marshmallow, guys.

01:21:29.421 --> 01:21:29.782
Move it off.

01:21:29.801 --> 01:21:31.063
It's not a marshmallow.

01:21:31.143 --> 01:21:32.722
You can't say you get that cha.

01:21:33.003 --> 01:21:33.904
You should not have your

01:21:33.944 --> 01:21:36.024
fucking marshmallow on fire for a start.

01:21:37.817 --> 01:21:37.957
See,

01:21:37.976 --> 01:21:39.796
now that's where I disagree because

01:21:39.856 --> 01:21:40.778
you light the marshmallow

01:21:40.818 --> 01:21:42.078
on fire and then you smash

01:21:42.118 --> 01:21:44.037
it between the s'mores and

01:21:44.057 --> 01:21:45.038
then it puts out the fire

01:21:45.078 --> 01:21:45.599
and then you have this

01:21:45.738 --> 01:21:48.279
perfect fireball of s'more.

01:21:48.798 --> 01:21:50.260
Chari mess.

01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:52.760
We don't do the s'more here.

01:21:52.779 --> 01:21:54.761
We just put the marshmallow

01:21:54.801 --> 01:21:56.900
on a stick and then lightly

01:21:56.961 --> 01:21:58.820
toast it instead of set it

01:21:58.881 --> 01:22:00.681
on fire like fucking napalm.

01:22:03.221 --> 01:22:03.702
I mean,

01:22:03.841 --> 01:22:05.363
essentially a marshmallow is

01:22:05.403 --> 01:22:06.662
probably just napalm, right?

01:22:09.240 --> 01:22:09.921
S'mores aren't really a

01:22:09.961 --> 01:22:10.621
thing in Australia.

01:22:10.661 --> 01:22:11.962
Is that what you just said to me?

01:22:13.282 --> 01:22:16.061
Yeah, we don't... It's like the cookie,

01:22:16.122 --> 01:22:16.342
right?

01:22:16.703 --> 01:22:18.262
What's the s'more bits like?

01:22:18.342 --> 01:22:20.483
It's like a graham cracker

01:22:20.722 --> 01:22:22.904
and then chocolate and then marshmallow.

01:22:23.783 --> 01:22:24.604
Yeah, we didn't have that shit.

01:22:24.644 --> 01:22:24.703
Wow.

01:22:24.724 --> 01:22:24.884
I'm hurt.

01:22:24.904 --> 01:22:26.244
How much goon am I buying?

01:22:26.925 --> 01:22:27.244
Flame blowout

01:22:37.867 --> 01:22:39.849
eat crispy shell repeat for

01:22:39.889 --> 01:22:41.909
the win well see he likes

01:22:41.949 --> 01:22:43.891
the fired marshmallow you

01:22:43.912 --> 01:22:45.113
know the problem is is that

01:22:46.274 --> 01:22:47.715
once you fire it then it's

01:22:47.774 --> 01:22:49.917
just burnt sugar like I

01:22:50.176 --> 01:22:53.260
don't know I don't know I

01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:54.881
prefer like taffy sugar not

01:22:54.900 --> 01:23:00.305
just charcoal well whatever

01:23:00.565 --> 01:23:01.546
we've been on this topic

01:23:01.567 --> 01:23:03.087
for too long fuck you man

01:23:05.386 --> 01:23:06.368
Let me get back to how you

01:23:06.387 --> 01:23:07.448
were fucking up your steak.

01:23:07.467 --> 01:23:13.752
That's right.

01:23:14.153 --> 01:23:15.573
You're bringing... Can you

01:23:15.953 --> 01:23:18.676
make sure it's not that shit, Gunzak,

01:23:18.716 --> 01:23:18.895
man?

01:23:18.956 --> 01:23:19.896
Don't get anything white.

01:23:20.237 --> 01:23:22.658
You don't want white, Gunzak.

01:23:23.418 --> 01:23:24.779
The white wine.

01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:25.420
Fucking Murgle.

01:23:26.860 --> 01:23:27.402
No Chardonnays.

01:23:28.771 --> 01:23:29.652
No chard.

01:23:29.811 --> 01:23:31.792
No chard, pepitos, grigios,

01:23:31.813 --> 01:23:32.453
none of that shit.

01:23:32.853 --> 01:23:33.632
Fucking red.

01:23:35.573 --> 01:23:38.534
Just Shiraz, man.

01:23:38.755 --> 01:23:39.435
They shouldn't have even

01:23:39.515 --> 01:23:40.175
bothered with the other

01:23:40.215 --> 01:23:41.135
fucking types of wine.

01:23:41.676 --> 01:23:42.015
Really?

01:23:42.036 --> 01:23:44.936
I'm not really a fan.

01:23:44.957 --> 01:23:45.077
What?

01:23:45.476 --> 01:23:46.136
Shiraz?

01:23:46.396 --> 01:23:47.516
I'm drinking an Australian

01:23:47.716 --> 01:23:51.537
Shiraz upstairs and I was like, ugh.

01:23:52.639 --> 01:23:53.698
Maybe I'll bring some bottles down.

01:23:54.738 --> 01:23:55.760
Maybe I'll bring some

01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:57.199
bottles down to educate you.

01:23:58.338 --> 01:23:59.539
Ooh, I would appreciate that.

01:24:00.020 --> 01:24:01.380
Oregon has some good wines,

01:24:01.460 --> 01:24:03.761
but I'd like to try some variety.

01:24:04.902 --> 01:24:06.242
Oh, man.

01:24:07.462 --> 01:24:10.503
So I need to find a bottle of lock, stock,

01:24:10.524 --> 01:24:11.725
and barrel while I'm over there.

01:24:12.545 --> 01:24:12.725
Okay.

01:24:13.685 --> 01:24:14.786
Yeah.

01:24:15.606 --> 01:24:17.207
I'm kind of... I like that.

01:24:17.667 --> 01:24:18.868
And I ran out of the one I had.

01:24:18.887 --> 01:24:22.309
I had a bad day.

01:24:22.328 --> 01:24:24.050
A bad day.

01:24:24.069 --> 01:24:25.331
I had a bad day.

01:24:26.619 --> 01:24:28.119
We'll have to make a liquor store run.

01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:29.220
We'll make a liquor store

01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:29.801
run at some point.

01:24:31.001 --> 01:24:32.521
Yeah, that shit's hard to find, though.

01:24:32.542 --> 01:24:34.981
I'm a little bit... I don't know.

01:24:35.822 --> 01:24:37.182
Artifact found me a bottle

01:24:37.762 --> 01:24:38.903
while he was on holiday.

01:24:38.922 --> 01:24:43.384
It should be doable.

01:24:43.404 --> 01:24:44.184
I need a new one.

01:24:46.385 --> 01:24:46.984
But yeah, man.

01:24:47.345 --> 01:24:48.064
Looking forward to that.

01:24:48.104 --> 01:24:49.185
Not looking forward to the flight.

01:24:49.826 --> 01:24:50.685
Definitely looking forward

01:24:50.706 --> 01:24:51.706
to catching up with everyone.

01:24:52.987 --> 01:24:53.587
What's your route?

01:24:53.627 --> 01:24:54.006
Unfortunately,

01:24:56.078 --> 01:24:58.240
uh it's just direct to la

01:24:58.280 --> 01:25:01.243
and then la to uh oh okay

01:25:01.323 --> 01:25:02.926
austin yeah okay cool

01:25:04.067 --> 01:25:05.006
unfortunately because of

01:25:05.108 --> 01:25:07.149
the adjacent cosmos event

01:25:07.750 --> 01:25:11.634
in berlin then uh I think

01:25:11.673 --> 01:25:13.454
we're we're going to be

01:25:13.494 --> 01:25:14.275
missing a few people

01:25:14.336 --> 01:25:16.858
unfortunately uh yeah some

01:25:16.877 --> 01:25:18.380
of the cosmos type folk

01:25:20.063 --> 01:25:22.123
Yeah, of like the core Cosmos chains, yes.

01:25:22.404 --> 01:25:23.746
But I would say that there

01:25:23.865 --> 01:25:27.068
is the Tendermint Enhanced

01:25:28.128 --> 01:25:30.810
teams that are still pretty large.

01:25:30.831 --> 01:25:33.091
That are less like Cosmos centric.

01:25:33.431 --> 01:25:34.533
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:34.792 --> 01:25:36.054
Like I see a lot of, like there's,

01:25:36.795 --> 01:25:42.479
you know, like the Barrows and the Union.

01:25:43.078 --> 01:25:43.399
The Union.

01:25:43.418 --> 01:25:43.960
Particles.

01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:44.659
Yep.

01:25:45.121 --> 01:25:46.360
Particle for sure.

01:25:46.421 --> 01:25:46.542
Yep.

01:25:46.761 --> 01:25:46.902
Yep.

01:25:47.761 --> 01:25:48.122
Yeah, there's,

01:25:48.242 --> 01:25:48.881
there's a bunch of those

01:25:48.902 --> 01:25:49.823
that I think that are that

01:25:49.863 --> 01:25:51.023
are making some, some,

01:25:51.422 --> 01:25:53.323
some larger events there, which is cool.

01:25:53.363 --> 01:25:53.644
Do IDX.

01:25:53.703 --> 01:25:54.724
It's a good example.

01:25:55.684 --> 01:25:57.225
Yeah, do IDX is going to be around.

01:25:57.805 --> 01:25:57.984
Yep.

01:25:58.824 --> 01:26:00.386
Which we are back in the set today.

01:26:01.225 --> 01:26:01.765
Individuals.

01:26:02.786 --> 01:26:03.926
Yeah.

01:26:04.266 --> 01:26:07.408
Sell those green tokens and six months.

01:26:08.247 --> 01:26:09.047
Yeah, so good.

01:26:09.087 --> 01:26:09.908
Six months hiatus.

01:26:12.628 --> 01:26:13.748
We had a we had a angel

01:26:13.769 --> 01:26:15.710
benefactor of sorts.

01:26:17.676 --> 01:26:23.261
Yeah, the 5.0 upgrade incoming, eh?

01:26:24.021 --> 01:26:25.662
The slinky, the slinkiness.

01:26:26.904 --> 01:26:27.123
Yep.

01:26:27.243 --> 01:26:28.545
That'll be an interesting upgrade.

01:26:28.585 --> 01:26:29.086
No, don't I?

01:26:31.707 --> 01:26:31.847
Well,

01:26:31.868 --> 01:26:34.069
you need to set up your mainnet

01:26:34.088 --> 01:26:35.130
slinky as well.

01:26:36.591 --> 01:26:37.412
Yeah, I mean,

01:26:37.492 --> 01:26:39.092
once we see some... Get those

01:26:39.153 --> 01:26:39.934
metrics flowing.

01:26:41.615 --> 01:26:42.877
Jake is going to Berlin.

01:26:43.176 --> 01:26:44.377
Jake's going to Berlin.

01:26:44.978 --> 01:26:45.538
Son of a bitch.

01:26:45.559 --> 01:26:46.238
Come on, man.

01:26:46.458 --> 01:26:47.539
What is that, like one day?

01:26:47.859 --> 01:26:48.661
Surely you've got some.

01:26:50.061 --> 01:26:52.523
Just come the next day over to Aston.

01:26:52.563 --> 01:26:52.783
Yeah.

01:26:53.823 --> 01:26:54.144
Aston.

01:26:55.005 --> 01:26:55.645
He should do better.

01:26:58.447 --> 01:26:59.247
Just be better.

01:27:00.509 --> 01:27:00.828
Man.

01:27:02.689 --> 01:27:03.530
Fucking game of notes

01:27:03.591 --> 01:27:04.490
judgment coming down.

01:27:05.511 --> 01:27:06.453
Jake, just be better.

01:27:06.472 --> 01:27:08.613
That's right.

01:27:08.673 --> 01:27:09.755
I'm going to Aston.