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I see a green light.

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One thing I've learned is he

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is a huge fan of the dogs howling.

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Cassie will play her her flu

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and then the dogs will

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start singing along.

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And then the little kid just

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starts like beating away.

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He starts kicking and stuff.

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It's hilarious.

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Welcome to Game of Nose,

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a weekly podcast from

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independent Validator teams,

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and this week we are down

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at least one Australian.

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I don't know if Rama's in the chat, but,

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um, and, uh,

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that means it's going to be

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difficult to talk about our main subject.

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As I know, not like me,

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it's a big classics fan, uh,

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which is Paris-Roubaix

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happened at the weekend.

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You fellas see it?

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A lot of controversy with

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the chicane at the Truade of Arenberg.

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I don't know if, uh,

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I watched analysis of it,

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but I didn't actually watch it itself.

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It's worth seeing what they

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did with the forest,

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with the Aremberg forest.

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It's really interesting.

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Yeah.

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I'm picking our fourth member.

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Where are you?

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Where are you?

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Where are you?

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It comes back.

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What do you mean?

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What day is it?

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He's like,

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I'm assuming the daylight

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savings has ended then.

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I think it did like three weeks ago.

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Maybe it's different in

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different countries when

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daylight savings ends.

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I kind of assume so.

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But that's why we do it at UTC.

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I mean,

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that is why we literally do it at UTC.

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We're into the point where

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in Europe it's at the

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really inconvenient fucking time.

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Does Australia do daylight savings?

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I think they did.

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New Zealand does, I think.

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Oh, they do?

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Oh, okay.

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I think so, yeah.

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Oh, you said Amsterdam does.

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Ended on the 7th of April.

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Oh, okay.

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All right.

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There was a whole thing.

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All of Europe was supposed

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to not do it anymore from

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2019 or something, I want to say.

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Everybody agreed.

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Daylight savings don't make sense anymore.

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Bullshit.

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We're not going to do it.

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People die for no reason.

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It's literally...

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Like there's a spike in traffic accidents,

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all sorts of shit.

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There is.

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Yeah, I remember reading that here too.

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It was like 20,000 deaths a

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year or something like that.

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I think the main reason it

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is is for industrial

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manufacturing before there

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was ubiquitous lighting and it was easy.

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And it's just like, ah,

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you need the daylight.

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And for like, you know,

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like farming and stuff, you know,

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back when that was a major industry.

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Here I thought it was,

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it was something to do with

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voting rights.

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It was the ability to vote.

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It was something to do with

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farming and something to do

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with farmers and voting.

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I thought it was farmers and trains.

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It's farmers and something,

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which doesn't make a difference.

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Definitely farmers and something.

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I've watched some town,

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like some city councils

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where people are like, oh,

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we want to get rid of that savings.

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And people come out and being like,

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you can't get rid of it.

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What would we do with one

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fewer hour in the day?

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That's how it works.

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It was something to do with

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basically when the polls...

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I thought it was when the

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polls opened and farmers having to...

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basically take care of livestock,

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but not being able to do

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that when the polls opened.

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And so they moved daylight savings to,

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I don't know why they just

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changed the fucking polling time.

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Yeah.

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The justification was, was farm.

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It was,

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was harvest was like having a long

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time to harvest.

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Yeah.

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um in particular well at

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harvest time right um it

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doesn't make any fucking

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sense everybody agreed to

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not do it anymore and as

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far as I can tell the

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deadline passed and then

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people just went yeah

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actually like it's a lot of

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admin to do this we're just

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not going to do this yet

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yeah ben davis's farmers

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can't vote of trains that's

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exactly right that's it that's the one

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Straight facts.

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These are the facts you come

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to get a nose for.

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So, but back to Paris-Roubaix, right?

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So I'm going to describe

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basically at the entrance

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to the Arenbo Forest,

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there's just a 90 degree,

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like a chicane going off to

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the right and then a hairpin.

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So you had to enter it at a walking pace.

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Like you couldn't enter it

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at 70 kilometers an hour

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straight onto the most

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deadly cobbles in the classic season.

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Did I go on 70 kilometers an hour?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this is literally,

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this is why it's controversial.

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Because the most fun thing

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about Paris-Roubaix is that

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it's such a decisive sector.

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You have to be in the center

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of the road because it's a

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double inverse camber.

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What the fuck is a double inverse camber?

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You mean an inverse camber?

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It's a hump.

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So if you move off the center line,

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your wheel is going to tend to slide out.

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And obviously,

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that's a problem if you're

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doing 50 kilometers an hour

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on wet cobbled roads.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, all right.

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All roads obviously have a

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hump in the middle,

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but because it's an old cobbled road,

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it's like... It slips away

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from the... If I'm turning right,

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it's slipping away from that, right?

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So it's... Yeah.

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Although, to be fair,

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Arenberg... They added...

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They added it?

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This wasn't part of the... Oh, jeez.

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What?

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I'm looking at it right now.

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This is ridiculous.

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They had to, like,

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turn out and then turn back

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in to get back... What?

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They enter the forest,

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literally at walking pace,

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and then everybody has to speed up again.

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So, they're like,

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it's a rider safety thing, and I get that,

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but

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the whole of parry bay is

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super dangerous like they

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literally wouldn't make

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this race again if if it

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wasn't 100 years old

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there's no way anybody

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would be like this is a

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good idea they would be

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like no this is illegal and

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you are banned from just

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the fact you even suggested

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this race you're going to

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prison you know but the the

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whole point is parry bay is

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kind of a blood sport like

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I want to see the best

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sprinters in the world

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leashed into fighting it

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out to enter a

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20-meter-wide portal to

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hell where there is only

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one line that doesn't get you killed,

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and I want them to do it at

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60 kilometers an hour and

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possibly end their career doing it.

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That's my hot take on it.

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Everything I've seen was just like, well,

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rider safety.

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I'm like...

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We're watching Paris-Roubaix.

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Rider safety is not a

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priority to people who

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think it's the best race in the year.

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We're just not saying that.

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That's our inside thought.

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It's not the outside thought.

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It's not popular to say an

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athlete at the top of their

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game might have their

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career ended by entering

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the Arenberg Forest too fast.

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but it's really exciting.

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That's the moment every year, that portal,

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the hell moment where they

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all are sprinting into it.

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And you're like,

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what the fuck is going to happen?

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Like last year when

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somebody's wheel literally

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just disintegrated in the

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first 20 minutes at 20 meters or so,

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it was on the footage,

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just like disintegrate.

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You're like, this is insane.

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This is what,

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this is the best race of the season.

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And now they're just like, no, no, no, no,

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no.

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We're going to enter it a walking pace.

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Oh, they totally changed it.

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Yeah.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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See, that's kind of like F1.

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F1's the same way.

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You never know what's going

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to happen in turn one

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because it's such a

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clusterfuck of 20 cars

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entering this situation and

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really tight and everything else.

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And after that, it's fucking boring.

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because nothing else happens

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and and and you know even

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with the with the chicane

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there was still a really

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decisive like somebody

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still flatted right and it

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would end up being

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moderately decisive

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although I guess they kept

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they kept that cool so it

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didn't affect the race too

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much and then nah I mean

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also they put a chicane

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before the turn is that what they did

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They put a chicane in before

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the hardest sector of

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cobbles in the entire race.

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It's like the back stretch of Le Mans.

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It's supposed to be a straight stretch,

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though, which is interesting.

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So they have you kick off

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and then come back around.

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Yeah,

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that's like the Moussan straight on

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Le Mans.

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It's just too much.

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They're just going too fucking fast,

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and it's super exciting.

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And then they're going from what?

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Well, in the 60s and 70s,

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it used to be from...

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180, 200 miles an hour down to, you know,

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whatever that first turn is.

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It's like 60.

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And then they said, OK,

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maybe we'll just put a put

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a chicane in here and just slow it down.

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Yeah, that's basically what they did,

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except that

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in this analogy,

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let's imagine that it is

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that Le Mans straight,

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but you're also going from

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the tarmac to gravel.

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I don't know what the

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race... There isn't an F1

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equivalent because you

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can't run an F1 car on gravel,

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but you can run a road bike

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on 120-year-old cobbles.

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They should do that.

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Yeah, they should do a cobbled section.

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There's something in the UK

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they do that where they do a mix of...

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I think it's, I think it's primarily in,

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maybe it's only in UK or in Europe,

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but they do like a mix

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between gravel and dirt and

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they go back to tarmac and they go like,

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they do a loop, but they break it up.

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I remember seeing it on Top

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Gear a bunch of years ago,

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but there's not a little thing on,

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Are we talking about rally here?

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No, it's not rally.

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Well, rally, they do that in rally as well,

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but this one was actually a

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closed circuit.

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It was like a one-mile loop,

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but you would actually have

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sections of tarmac and

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you'd have sections of dirt,

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which was totally fun

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because some cars were

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obviously geared more

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towards the tarmac side, right?

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And then they would struggle

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when they get off-road,

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and other ones would be

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much more comfortable in

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terms of just sliding through the dirt,

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and they would struggle on

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the tarmac side.

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So it was actually pretty fun.

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um anyway I forget what the

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hell it's called I'll love

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to look it up because that

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was actually it's actually

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pretty cool it'll be the

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show notes um maybe we'll

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put in the show notes uh

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maybe I'll forget if you're

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listening to this podcast

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uh you know uh later or if

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you're on if you're on

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twitter x um let us know

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what do you think of the

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trio darenberg this year I

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i mean obviously

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yeah you know maybe maybe

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rider safety is a priority

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I don't know I i like

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seeing the the best

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cyclists in the world

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nearly die uh hitting that

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hitting that that sector

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but well yeah what do you

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what you're gonna do anyway

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um if if if they if they do

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die they're obviously not

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the best cyclists in the

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world right so it is a bit

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of a selection situation

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But also, they're riding on 25mm tires,

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which is utterly absurd to me on cobbles.

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Me, I ride 42s on gravel,

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and that even feels like not enough.

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It goes back to the tarmac

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gravel situation.

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Couldn't some riders decide

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to run on 42s and then be

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faster in that section on the cobbles?

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There is actually a rule on

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maximum tire width.

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No, there wasn't.

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Really?

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Yeah, there is.

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For road bikes in UCI road races,

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I'm pretty sure it's 32.

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That's the absolute maximum.

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Why would they give a shit?

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Because it's a time-based thing, right?

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Because there's a very

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strict difference between a

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cyclocross bike, a road bike, a TT bike.

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If you ride the wrong type

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of bike in the wrong type of race,

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it confers an unfair

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advantage versus the other

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riders and you'll be disqualified.

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Same reason you can't ride a TT bike on a

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Even if you have like a flat,

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dead straight road stage,

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like a transition stage in

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the Tour de France, for example,

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where you might literally

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ride flat in a straight line 40 miles.

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You can't ride a TT bike on that.

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You're not allowed because

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it's a road stage.

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It's not a TT stage.

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Okay.

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That sounds more reasonable now.

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Yeah.

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So it's just a UCI rule.

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It's the same as like cyclocross races.

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If you turned up with a

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mountain bike to a cyclocross race,

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they'd be like, what are you doing?

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can't do this but time but

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time shit I don't think it

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matters like I mean

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obviously it was not an

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e-bike what the fuck like

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that seems like it's that

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seemed like it would be a

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heavier more difficult

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thing to be able to get

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through so it would be it

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seems like it adds some strategy to it

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There are things that people have tried.

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Obviously,

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you can do different things with

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equipment within the limits.

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And people have tried a

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whole bunch of things.

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There was that specialized

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bike a few years ago with

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suspension in the top tube

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and all sorts of stuff.

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But it turns out there is

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basically no substitute for

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having strong upper body

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and being quite heavy.

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that is the special source.

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And that's what we saw at the weekend,

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right?

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Heavy, strong,

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classic rider who is a good

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time trialist just destroyed the field.

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And it was borderline boring

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when it came to the

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velodrome at the end of the day.

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Women's race, however,

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that final 10 kilometers, holy shit,

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that was exciting.

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In our house,

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we were shouting at the TV by

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the time they got to the velodrome.

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It was good.

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Prosper, Game of Nodes friend of the show,

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hit me up in our own

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Discord to tell us that the

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motorsport that we're

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talking about is called Rallycross.

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That is exactly what I'm talking about.

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Rallycross.

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Interesting.

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Rallycross is fun.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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I'm not sure I've ever seen that.

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I've heard the name,

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but I couldn't picture what

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it looks like.

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I actually have a friend

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that does rallycross with a Mazda Miata,

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and it looks absolutely ridiculous.

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Yeah, so primarily Netherlands, Belgium,

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France, and Great Britain,

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but also in the SSEA here in the US.

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Oh, wait, maybe not.

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Maybe not.

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Never mind.

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That's different.

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It's super fun, though.

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It's just like dirt,

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and they have those special

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motorbikes where they have like...

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the shape of it's super

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weird and it has a really

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elongated like kind of tail

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and they just basically

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ride in this weird sort of ellipse.

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I can't remember what it's called.

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Is that Speedway?

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Like their body positions.

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They're always like kind of

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kicked out to the side.

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NASCAR?

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No, Speedway.

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It's motorbikes.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, you mean?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Something like that.

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Yeah.

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That's wild.

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Like it's very, very mesmerizing.

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Anyway, um,

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This is the most I've ever

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talked about cycling in my life.

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In one 14-minute spot.

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Best race in the year has just happened.

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And I don't get to cycle

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much at the moment because of life stuff.

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I'm looking forward to doing

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it again when things calm down.

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So I have to vicariously do

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it at the moment.

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But...

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Yeah, I also saw Dune 2 this week, huh?

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That was... You saw what?

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Ooh, what did you think of it?

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I saw Godzilla.

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I haven't seen it,

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but I did see Godzilla and Kong,

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the new empire, this week,

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and that was a lot of fun.

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Is that new?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I don't know.

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It's in theaters right now.

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Oh, it is?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's a new Kong movie?

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Kong and Godzilla, but really, yeah,

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it's really just Kong.

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Godzilla makes an appearance and goes,

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rah!

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And that's about as far as

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it goes and the rest is all King Kong.

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Nice.

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I managed to get myself pretty strongly.

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A friend of mine a couple of

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days after I went was like, yo,

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I've just seen Dune.

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Hey, man.

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And I was like, oh, man,

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did you see the after credits scene?

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And they were like, what the fuck?

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There's an after credits scene?

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And I was like, yeah, man.

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And they were like,

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fucking hell and then they

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like literally you know

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when somebody just doesn't

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even message you back for a

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while can you tell they're

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a little bit pissed off and

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then like a few minutes

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later they were like all

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right well I can't be but

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I'm not gonna be able to

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find it what what what

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happened and I was just

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like it said the story will

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be concluded in june part

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three hey and they were

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like oh yeah yeah I read an

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article about that don't

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worry I already knew that

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and I was like wait what

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and they were like yeah do

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you not know there's going

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to be another june I was like

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What?

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And they're like, yeah,

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there's going to be another June.

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And they're like, so wait,

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was there no after credits?

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And I was just like, ah,

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now the hunter has become the hunted.

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It's devastating.

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Between that and the whole hospital thing,

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my week has been,

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I thought it was going to be a good week,

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get some work done, a few pranks,

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a few little yucks.

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June 3 confirmed to be in development.

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Yeah.

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So now I look like, now I...

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Look, I'm the idiot.

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I thought I got him good.

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Turned out I was the one being got.

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You should have just really

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ran with it and been like, yeah, you know,

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it may be one of those like

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Bernstein bear effects,

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the Mandela effect where

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you tried to go watch the scenes,

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but they didn't have it anymore.

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In some reality, they did have it.

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You know,

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I'm talking about the Mandela effect.

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The one where people like imagine a thing.

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Like that Shazam movie that

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everybody thinks is it.

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Yeah, with Sinbad.

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Everybody thinks that movie exists.

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It totally does not exist.

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That's your example of the Mandela Effect.

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That's a great one.

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Bernstein Bears is my go-to

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because apparently it's

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spelled like A-I-N, but in my memories,

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it's E-I-N.

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It's Bernstein Bears, not Bernstein Bears.

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No, it's Bernstein.

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Wait, how's it spelled?

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I think it's spelled S-T-A-I-N at the end,

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but my memory says it's E-I-N,

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like the German Stein, right?

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But I think it's S-T-A-I-N is correct.

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Holy fuck, you're right.

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I totally would have thought

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that would have been E-I-N.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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They're stain bears.

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I hate these things.

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So, no,

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what's your... How come you're late?

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Man,

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it's... I got snookered by the fucking...

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Daylight savings ended,

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I didn't even know.

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I need to pause you right there.

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What word did you just use?

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What Australia-ism was that?

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Snookered.

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Snookered.

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You guys don't have that?

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No.

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No.

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It's funny.

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I don't know that one.

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Okay, I have a fun fact about snooker,

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my favorite fact about snooker in fact.

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Which is, no,

00:18:35.432 --> 00:18:36.294
these guys obviously have no

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fucking clue.

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Now,

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did you guys have the TV program Big

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Break, the snooker game show?

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Did you have that back in the day?

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I don't think so.

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Oh, maybe.

00:18:47.579 --> 00:18:47.839
Maybe.

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Okay, so it has that,

00:18:50.162 --> 00:18:51.321
you might remember it if,

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I'm going to hum you the theme tune,

00:18:53.483 --> 00:18:53.663
right?

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It has that theme tune where it's like,

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it's only a game show,

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but it's only a game show.

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snooker in you snooker in

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you tonight big break like

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I've heard a jingle like

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that but I've never seen a

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show with snooker where

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they just played snooker my

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favorite snooker fact it's

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not even about snooker it's

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just about the program big

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break really um apart from

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the bit where it goes big

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break the rest of that is

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just a song from an actual musical

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I can't remember.

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Somebody told me what it was.

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It's actually a quite famous musical.

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It just has a song about Snooker in it.

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And that's what they use for

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the theme tune for Big Break.

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Anybody British in the

00:19:30.888 --> 00:19:31.909
comments is going to go,

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that's an actual song.

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Yeah, apparently it is.

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Apparently it's from a

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musical or something.

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I had no idea.

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No idea.

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Well,

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we've got a couple of people in the

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chat from the UK, I think.

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So somebody else can either

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fact check that,

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agree with it or whatever.

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But apparently it's a real legit thing.

00:19:51.692 --> 00:19:52.673
So anyway, Daylight Savings,

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how's it working out for you?

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Well, yeah, man.

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I didn't even know that it ended,

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so it's fine.

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Sun's coming up later.

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It's pretty nice.

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There's more dark time for sleeping.

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And yeah, you know, life is good.

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There's more dark time.

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I mean, it's fucking Daylight Savings.

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What do you want me to say?

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Comes and goes.

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So you guys started April 7th, huh?

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Yeah, April 7th.

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Seemingly unannounced.

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I don't know if I just

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didn't leave the house that

00:20:27.209 --> 00:20:27.969
day or something,

00:20:28.068 --> 00:20:29.369
but... Everything

00:20:29.430 --> 00:20:30.210
automatically moved forward?

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You didn't even notice?

00:20:32.451 --> 00:20:34.632
Yeah, like... Well,

00:20:34.652 --> 00:20:36.531
the only reason I would

00:20:36.551 --> 00:20:37.633
have noticed is...

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if I like went to a store

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that I would usually go to

00:20:43.976 --> 00:20:46.157
at the open time and leave the house,

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everything else is in UTC in your place.

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You're like, I don't know.

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Yes.

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Well, I mean, you're not going to tell her,

00:20:54.522 --> 00:20:54.702
right?

00:20:54.742 --> 00:20:57.183
It's like, the time's just on your phone.

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So you wake up and then

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there's different times there.

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It's like,

00:21:00.665 --> 00:21:01.406
you don't know if it's going

00:21:01.446 --> 00:21:02.047
back or forward.

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I don't know.

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Like maybe I had a good

00:21:04.488 --> 00:21:05.388
night's sleep that night

00:21:05.808 --> 00:21:06.970
and I wasn't like, Oh geez,

00:21:07.009 --> 00:21:07.710
I lost an hour.

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I'm tired.

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Oh,

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The only reason I know is kids.

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Most nights you're up in

00:21:13.009 --> 00:21:13.849
fucking half the night

00:21:13.890 --> 00:21:17.011
anyway with like failed upgrades.

00:21:17.192 --> 00:21:18.432
You wait till you're up half

00:21:18.472 --> 00:21:19.594
the night with a different

00:21:19.634 --> 00:21:20.473
kind of failed upgrade.

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Because they're fucking miserable.

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Fucking kids.

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They're fucking miserable.

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Or they're up, you're like,

00:21:26.459 --> 00:21:27.619
why the fuck are they up at six?

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Like, oh.

00:21:29.231 --> 00:21:30.712
Yeah, Daylight Savings.

00:21:30.732 --> 00:21:33.275
Currently going through that

00:21:33.275 --> 00:21:34.955
6 o'clock is wake-up time thing,

00:21:35.336 --> 00:21:36.478
and I'm wondering if it's

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ever going to end.

00:21:37.638 --> 00:21:37.959
It does.

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Maybe not.

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It does.

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Ours are getting... When they get older,

00:21:42.142 --> 00:21:43.262
they start sleeping a little bit,

00:21:43.323 --> 00:21:44.243
but it takes a long time.

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Ours still get up at 7,

00:21:45.525 --> 00:21:46.565
but at least that's better

00:21:46.586 --> 00:21:47.786
than... It used to be up at

00:21:48.346 --> 00:21:51.128
quarter to 6 or something, 5.45.

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I'm just like... The

00:21:52.769 --> 00:21:54.632
absolute epitome of not a morning person.

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The few times in my life where...

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genuinely have had no

00:21:59.431 --> 00:22:02.471
contract work no anything

00:22:02.592 --> 00:22:03.451
holiday that's what they

00:22:03.491 --> 00:22:05.252
call it nothing to do

00:22:05.373 --> 00:22:06.634
holiday that's for the word

00:22:06.733 --> 00:22:08.534
all people use that's the

00:22:08.954 --> 00:22:09.934
word um they probably get

00:22:09.954 --> 00:22:11.395
up at like 11 or something

00:22:11.435 --> 00:22:12.715
that's probably a sensible

00:22:12.756 --> 00:22:16.097
time for me uh so it's it's

00:22:16.137 --> 00:22:19.659
kind of like um yeah it kind of feels a

00:22:22.377 --> 00:22:23.617
Somebody just like pokes you

00:22:23.637 --> 00:22:25.818
awake at like not a good time.

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And you're like, cool.

00:22:26.878 --> 00:22:27.159
I'm up.

00:22:27.358 --> 00:22:28.119
Better make a coffee.

00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:29.339
Let's go.

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Let's go.

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Just happens.

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But we had a couple of kids sleep,

00:22:34.740 --> 00:22:35.942
sleep in past eight 30.

00:22:35.942 --> 00:22:37.362
That's fucking, that's good times, man.

00:22:37.741 --> 00:22:44.403
That's like, it's so good that we're,

00:22:44.443 --> 00:22:44.903
we're out.

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Uh,

00:22:49.813 --> 00:22:51.034
Oh, what happened to SERP?

00:22:51.394 --> 00:22:54.816
So did Pennsylvania just... Wait,

00:22:54.936 --> 00:22:56.877
what state even... Wait, you said,

00:22:56.897 --> 00:22:57.758
but what state are you in?

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Fuck off.

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You were out and back so

00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:02.521
quickly that I couldn't

00:23:02.561 --> 00:23:03.761
even make a joke about your

00:23:03.842 --> 00:23:04.583
state being nuked.

00:23:04.603 --> 00:23:06.044
Yeah, it just kicked me off.

00:23:06.124 --> 00:23:07.105
I don't know.

00:23:09.105 --> 00:23:10.287
I was like, oh my god,

00:23:10.346 --> 00:23:11.567
Pennsylvania just got nuked.

00:23:11.627 --> 00:23:12.167
And I was like,

00:23:12.307 --> 00:23:13.328
that's not the right state.

00:23:15.390 --> 00:23:15.849
Close enough.

00:23:16.671 --> 00:23:17.771
That is the right state.

00:23:18.311 --> 00:23:18.771
Close enough.

00:23:19.292 --> 00:23:19.512
Is it?

00:23:21.801 --> 00:23:23.722
Anyway, wait,

00:23:23.803 --> 00:23:24.644
I thought Pennsylvania is

00:23:24.683 --> 00:23:27.486
just that little weird bit next to D.C.

00:23:30.167 --> 00:23:33.530
It's a big weird bit next to D.C., but yes,

00:23:33.550 --> 00:23:33.871
that's correct.

00:23:33.891 --> 00:23:34.991
It's a bigger state than that.

00:23:35.071 --> 00:23:36.093
No, it's a huge state in the...

00:23:42.820 --> 00:23:44.142
in the mid-Atlantic, you would say?

00:23:45.122 --> 00:23:46.682
Ohio, PA, New York?

00:23:47.742 --> 00:23:48.242
It is actually kind of

00:23:48.282 --> 00:23:49.383
surprising how large it is,

00:23:49.563 --> 00:23:50.544
given that it's on the East Coast.

00:23:50.564 --> 00:23:51.243
Everything else is so much

00:23:51.284 --> 00:23:52.304
smaller in comparison.

00:23:53.085 --> 00:23:53.585
Yeah,

00:23:53.625 --> 00:23:55.285
it's two different major cities that

00:23:55.405 --> 00:23:56.546
want nothing to do with each other.

00:23:58.011 --> 00:23:59.472
What major cities are in Pennsylvania?

00:23:59.932 --> 00:24:01.093
Pittsburgh and Philadelphia,

00:24:01.753 --> 00:24:03.374
who are totally opposite

00:24:03.394 --> 00:24:05.275
cities in a lot of different ways.

00:24:05.375 --> 00:24:07.796
It's a weird state.

00:24:07.935 --> 00:24:09.457
I think I can only picture

00:24:09.477 --> 00:24:10.616
what Philadelphia looks like.

00:24:11.076 --> 00:24:11.836
I don't think I can picture

00:24:11.856 --> 00:24:12.597
what Pittsburgh looks like.

00:24:13.278 --> 00:24:17.619
What famous films are either

00:24:17.660 --> 00:24:19.661
set in Pittsburgh or have

00:24:19.701 --> 00:24:20.921
been used for filming?

00:24:21.040 --> 00:24:22.981
They shoot a lot of films in Pittsburgh.

00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:25.141
The Christopher Nolan Batman

00:24:25.181 --> 00:24:26.102
films were in Pittsburgh.

00:24:26.281 --> 00:24:26.942
Yeah.

00:24:27.041 --> 00:24:28.864
Just the third one, the Bane one.

00:24:29.683 --> 00:24:30.065
Oh, really?

00:24:30.085 --> 00:24:32.385
I thought it was the first one.

00:24:32.665 --> 00:24:33.267
No, the first one.

00:24:33.426 --> 00:24:34.667
The second one was definitely Chicago.

00:24:34.688 --> 00:24:35.648
The Joker one was Chicago.

00:24:35.669 --> 00:24:37.170
The first one I thought was.

00:24:39.111 --> 00:24:40.172
London, for sure.

00:24:40.632 --> 00:24:40.872
Yes.

00:24:41.292 --> 00:24:41.952
I think all three of them

00:24:41.972 --> 00:24:43.253
were partly shot in London.

00:24:43.273 --> 00:24:44.634
I think because they did

00:24:44.654 --> 00:24:45.935
some stuff at Pinewood, I guess.

00:24:45.996 --> 00:24:47.277
So they used some locations.

00:24:47.897 --> 00:24:49.500
The first one I thought was,

00:24:50.580 --> 00:24:51.121
I don't remember.

00:24:51.141 --> 00:24:52.663
I don't think it was here though.

00:24:52.682 --> 00:24:53.604
I thought it was just the Bain one.

00:24:53.644 --> 00:24:54.444
The Bain one was the big one.

00:24:54.464 --> 00:24:55.025
Cause they use like,

00:24:55.184 --> 00:24:56.286
they use like Heinz field

00:24:56.326 --> 00:24:57.307
and they use some stuff up

00:24:57.366 --> 00:24:58.608
in CMU and a bunch of shit.

00:24:59.890 --> 00:25:00.130
Right.

00:25:00.490 --> 00:25:01.111
I'm not really sure.

00:25:02.332 --> 00:25:02.792
The first one,

00:25:03.153 --> 00:25:04.054
I can't remember the first one was,

00:25:04.114 --> 00:25:05.035
I thought it was New York actually,

00:25:05.075 --> 00:25:05.796
but that could be wrong.

00:25:05.816 --> 00:25:06.455
That doesn't seem right.

00:25:07.917 --> 00:25:08.858
I think the first Avengers

00:25:08.939 --> 00:25:10.921
also had a presence in Pittsburgh.

00:25:11.766 --> 00:25:13.506
There's a, there's a lot of, yeah,

00:25:13.566 --> 00:25:15.846
they shoot a lot of movies here or in, uh,

00:25:16.106 --> 00:25:17.007
in, in the Berg,

00:25:17.067 --> 00:25:19.528
just because I think it's, uh, um,

00:25:20.367 --> 00:25:20.627
I don't know,

00:25:20.667 --> 00:25:21.428
has a lot of different

00:25:21.688 --> 00:25:22.847
aspects and areas that,

00:25:23.107 --> 00:25:24.249
that kind of fit into

00:25:24.288 --> 00:25:25.328
different types of themes.

00:25:26.368 --> 00:25:27.989
Um, and I think it's cheap.

00:25:28.990 --> 00:25:31.269
It also helps centrally located,

00:25:31.309 --> 00:25:31.970
all that kind of good stuff.

00:25:33.630 --> 00:25:34.030
Fair enough.

00:25:34.070 --> 00:25:34.391
Fair enough.

00:25:34.730 --> 00:25:34.891
Yeah.

00:25:35.111 --> 00:25:36.951
Um, oh, speaking of movies,

00:25:36.971 --> 00:25:37.951
I also saw that, uh,

00:25:38.111 --> 00:25:39.471
have you seen that past lives film?

00:25:40.971 --> 00:25:41.031
No.

00:25:42.276 --> 00:25:43.817
It's, uh, is good.

00:25:43.896 --> 00:25:45.076
Like obviously like, yeah,

00:25:45.136 --> 00:25:45.857
given that I was like

00:25:45.897 --> 00:25:46.938
shilling June earlier,

00:25:46.958 --> 00:25:48.038
it couldn't be more different.

00:25:48.078 --> 00:25:48.519
It's like,

00:25:49.199 --> 00:25:50.660
there's probably like 40 lines

00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:52.299
of dialogue in 90 minutes.

00:25:52.921 --> 00:25:55.261
Um, very good.

00:25:55.922 --> 00:25:58.363
Just lots of just,

00:25:58.522 --> 00:26:00.183
just like a really well paced.

00:26:01.624 --> 00:26:01.903
Good.

00:26:02.644 --> 00:26:03.065
What is it?

00:26:04.025 --> 00:26:04.546
What's it called?

00:26:05.346 --> 00:26:06.066
Past lives.

00:26:06.405 --> 00:26:07.567
It's a Korean,

00:26:07.586 --> 00:26:09.468
I think Korean American picture.

00:26:09.488 --> 00:26:10.107
Oh yeah.

00:26:11.650 --> 00:26:15.330
It's about a Korean family

00:26:15.371 --> 00:26:18.271
that emigrate to Canada.

00:26:18.291 --> 00:26:19.211
I guess that's kind of like

00:26:19.251 --> 00:26:20.432
the setup for it,

00:26:20.451 --> 00:26:21.332
but it's about a couple of

00:26:21.372 --> 00:26:23.452
characters who meet at a

00:26:23.492 --> 00:26:25.692
few times in their lives, basically.

00:26:27.413 --> 00:26:28.253
Pretty highly rated.

00:26:29.114 --> 00:26:29.273
Yeah.

00:26:29.693 --> 00:26:31.434
I mean, it's really well paced.

00:26:31.454 --> 00:26:32.275
It's really well acted.

00:26:32.295 --> 00:26:34.816
Drama and romance.

00:26:36.776 --> 00:26:38.256
That's a description of it.

00:26:38.296 --> 00:26:40.457
Did you say drama and romance?

00:26:40.996 --> 00:26:46.121
yeah fuck it and I was like

00:26:46.181 --> 00:26:47.883
if he doesn't have

00:26:47.942 --> 00:26:50.265
explosions I'm out yeah

00:26:50.465 --> 00:26:51.846
it's explosions and guns

00:26:51.866 --> 00:26:54.769
I'm out I need bbm fucking

00:26:54.809 --> 00:26:57.311
explosions and shit hey

00:26:57.352 --> 00:26:59.273
then can I recommend june 2

00:26:59.273 --> 00:27:02.518
for you june 2 is pretty slow

00:27:04.229 --> 00:27:05.049
I haven't watched it.

00:27:05.770 --> 00:27:06.250
Oh, no.

00:27:06.270 --> 00:27:07.553
Is it as slow as the first one?

00:27:07.573 --> 00:27:10.717
Not quite as slow as the first one.

00:27:11.176 --> 00:27:11.657
They're all slow.

00:27:11.678 --> 00:27:13.319
They picked up the pace marginally.

00:27:16.242 --> 00:27:17.825
I liked it, but man, by the end of it,

00:27:17.865 --> 00:27:18.144
I was like,

00:27:18.164 --> 00:27:19.026
that might have been the

00:27:19.086 --> 00:27:20.007
longest two and a half hours

00:27:21.498 --> 00:27:28.384
of my life do you like have

00:27:28.404 --> 00:27:30.086
a siesta and then come back

00:27:30.186 --> 00:27:31.807
or like fucking I don't

00:27:31.827 --> 00:27:33.329
know some some of these

00:27:33.369 --> 00:27:34.671
longer movies drag us like

00:27:34.691 --> 00:27:36.492
that batman that was like

00:27:36.853 --> 00:27:38.334
christopher nolan's cut or

00:27:38.354 --> 00:27:39.295
whatever it was like three

00:27:39.335 --> 00:27:41.116
hours long it's like and

00:27:41.136 --> 00:27:43.199
this movie end yeah

00:27:43.976 --> 00:27:46.097
Yeah, we just watched all three of those,

00:27:46.157 --> 00:27:47.019
actually, the Nolan ones.

00:27:47.398 --> 00:27:49.259
And I thought it was the third one, right?

00:27:49.339 --> 00:27:50.461
It was the, yeah,

00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:51.241
the one we were just talking about,

00:27:51.902 --> 00:27:52.502
the Bane one.

00:27:53.284 --> 00:27:54.964
And I think we felt like we

00:27:54.984 --> 00:27:56.326
were watching it forever, and I paused it,

00:27:56.665 --> 00:27:58.147
and the Plex bar was like 30%.

00:27:58.147 --> 00:27:58.887
I was like, holy shit.

00:27:58.907 --> 00:28:03.132
Like, what time is fucking bedtime?

00:28:03.152 --> 00:28:03.832
Actually, yeah,

00:28:03.852 --> 00:28:05.492
wasn't it like five hours or something?

00:28:05.693 --> 00:28:08.635
I don't think it was that.

00:28:09.016 --> 00:28:10.617
It was over three hours, though, I think.

00:28:11.499 --> 00:28:12.078
I think you're thinking of

00:28:12.118 --> 00:28:13.380
the Zack Snyder cut of

00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:15.119
Batman versus Superman.

00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:16.260
That one's like five hours.

00:28:16.461 --> 00:28:17.821
Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking about,

00:28:17.882 --> 00:28:18.021
man.

00:28:18.281 --> 00:28:19.061
That was long.

00:28:19.301 --> 00:28:20.883
I don't think I watched it all.

00:28:20.903 --> 00:28:21.682
Five hours?

00:28:22.482 --> 00:28:23.223
Yeah,

00:28:24.324 --> 00:28:26.025
who's got half a day to sit there and

00:28:26.085 --> 00:28:26.625
watch a movie?

00:28:27.224 --> 00:28:28.885
Especially like a Zack Snyder movie.

00:28:30.185 --> 00:28:30.846
In saying that,

00:28:30.967 --> 00:28:33.288
I have just back-to-back

00:28:33.367 --> 00:28:35.048
episodes of a TV show all day,

00:28:35.989 --> 00:28:36.588
if it's a good show.

00:28:38.253 --> 00:28:39.315
What the fuck is that movie called?

00:28:39.335 --> 00:28:40.095
I don't even know what the hell it was.

00:28:40.154 --> 00:28:41.496
I'll also throw down with

00:28:41.556 --> 00:28:42.615
the extended edition Lord

00:28:42.635 --> 00:28:44.037
of the Rings all in a row.

00:28:44.596 --> 00:28:45.518
I'll mainline that.

00:28:45.917 --> 00:28:48.659
That's like... 165 minutes, apparently,

00:28:48.699 --> 00:28:49.439
Dark Knight Rises.

00:28:51.099 --> 00:28:52.361
Dark Knight... That's it, right?

00:28:52.421 --> 00:28:52.721
Rises?

00:28:52.961 --> 00:28:53.141
Yeah?

00:28:53.681 --> 00:28:54.882
Yeah, 165.

00:28:55.501 --> 00:28:57.343
That's actually... Oh, yeah.

00:28:57.643 --> 00:28:58.243
That sounds about right.

00:28:58.324 --> 00:28:58.844
It's not that long.

00:29:00.944 --> 00:29:01.244
But...

00:29:05.467 --> 00:29:06.667
Yeah, the what's it called?

00:29:07.648 --> 00:29:08.249
What's it called?

00:29:09.109 --> 00:29:10.691
What was the thing you just said?

00:29:11.211 --> 00:29:12.372
My brain just fucking seized up.

00:29:14.472 --> 00:29:16.134
I mainlined the extended cut

00:29:16.154 --> 00:29:17.375
of Lord of the Rings all the way through.

00:29:17.394 --> 00:29:18.736
I can watch those back to back to back.

00:29:19.096 --> 00:29:20.237
Now that is long.

00:29:20.298 --> 00:29:20.817
That's like

00:29:22.465 --> 00:29:23.046
Cause those are,

00:29:23.086 --> 00:29:24.366
those are so long that they

00:29:24.448 --> 00:29:25.888
they're on two DVDs, aren't they?

00:29:25.929 --> 00:29:26.828
They literally go like,

00:29:27.009 --> 00:29:29.391
and now continue your

00:29:29.451 --> 00:29:31.113
adventure on disc two.

00:29:31.133 --> 00:29:32.413
Oh yeah.

00:29:32.433 --> 00:29:33.634
They're like three and a half hours each.

00:29:33.734 --> 00:29:34.015
Yeah.

00:29:34.474 --> 00:29:35.615
It's actually every Nolan

00:29:35.655 --> 00:29:37.678
knew every average Nolan

00:29:37.698 --> 00:29:39.618
movie has to be over two and a half,

00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:39.920
right?

00:29:41.020 --> 00:29:41.361
Easily.

00:29:41.780 --> 00:29:43.142
Tenet is two and a half.

00:29:44.022 --> 00:29:45.223
Interstellar is three.

00:29:47.025 --> 00:29:48.125
Interstellar though was.

00:29:48.826 --> 00:29:50.847
Inception is two hours and 48 minutes.

00:29:52.406 --> 00:29:54.248
Inception is half an hour too long,

00:29:54.268 --> 00:29:54.448
though.

00:29:54.508 --> 00:29:55.288
Everybody knows that.

00:29:55.407 --> 00:29:56.628
That whole third act,

00:29:56.669 --> 00:29:57.769
you could just get rid of.

00:29:59.289 --> 00:29:59.810
Interstellar's good.

00:29:59.830 --> 00:30:00.611
It's such a good film,

00:30:00.691 --> 00:30:01.270
and it's quite well-paced,

00:30:01.330 --> 00:30:01.931
and then you're like,

00:30:02.011 --> 00:30:03.132
this snowy bullshit.

00:30:03.172 --> 00:30:04.792
Yeah, okay, we know you like James Bond.

00:30:04.893 --> 00:30:06.493
Just don't have this bit in the film.

00:30:09.914 --> 00:30:11.076
You've lost your audience.

00:30:12.076 --> 00:30:14.416
I think it was probably one

00:30:14.436 --> 00:30:15.617
of the better-paced Nolans.

00:30:16.567 --> 00:30:18.268
tenant even tenant tenants

00:30:18.307 --> 00:30:19.248
fucking yeah tenant was

00:30:19.288 --> 00:30:19.969
really I thought that was

00:30:20.009 --> 00:30:20.749
really good that was one of

00:30:20.788 --> 00:30:21.429
the only ones where I

00:30:21.469 --> 00:30:22.430
wasn't looking at my watch

00:30:22.890 --> 00:30:24.691
thinking christopher will

00:30:24.711 --> 00:30:26.251
you just please write a

00:30:26.291 --> 00:30:30.093
concise third act um

00:30:30.232 --> 00:30:31.713
prestige as well actually

00:30:31.874 --> 00:30:33.454
that's another that's

00:30:33.494 --> 00:30:35.516
probably that memento is

00:30:35.556 --> 00:30:36.817
two ones that are perfectly

00:30:36.856 --> 00:30:37.517
paced I reckon

00:30:39.633 --> 00:30:40.634
I always forget The Memento

00:30:40.673 --> 00:30:41.835
is by Christopher Nolan.

00:30:42.275 --> 00:30:43.276
And Dunkirk is what?

00:30:44.056 --> 00:30:46.438
That seems, the movie seemed long,

00:30:46.458 --> 00:30:47.498
but actually the only show

00:30:47.518 --> 00:30:48.939
in an hour 46 years.

00:30:49.539 --> 00:30:50.621
Yeah, Dunkirk is just,

00:30:50.641 --> 00:30:51.601
it feels long because

00:30:51.621 --> 00:30:52.942
you're just watching a

00:30:52.961 --> 00:30:54.403
bunch of people stood around waiting.

00:30:54.804 --> 00:30:55.864
Well, there's not, I mean, honestly,

00:30:55.884 --> 00:30:56.345
there's not a lot of

00:30:56.365 --> 00:30:57.925
dialogue in that movie either, right?

00:30:57.945 --> 00:31:00.488
You have a lot of just like visuals.

00:31:02.749 --> 00:31:03.430
That was a fun movie though.

00:31:03.450 --> 00:31:03.769
I liked it.

00:31:07.031 --> 00:31:08.232
Yeah, Dunkirk was kind of,

00:31:09.738 --> 00:31:10.698
Dunkirk was kind of weird.

00:31:10.738 --> 00:31:11.678
I didn't really understand.

00:31:11.758 --> 00:31:13.278
It was one of those where I was like, okay,

00:31:13.598 --> 00:31:13.858
cool.

00:31:14.358 --> 00:31:16.118
Christopher Nolan's done Dunkirk,

00:31:16.179 --> 00:31:16.960
but I don't see what

00:31:17.019 --> 00:31:19.140
Christopher Nolan's added to Dunkirk.

00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.820
What do you want to add?

00:31:23.161 --> 00:31:24.901
I would mark down 1917 as

00:31:25.040 --> 00:31:26.040
one of the best war films.

00:31:26.501 --> 00:31:27.122
Dunkirk was good.

00:31:27.142 --> 00:31:27.761
I really enjoyed it,

00:31:28.162 --> 00:31:29.422
but 1917 I thought was...

00:31:30.241 --> 00:31:32.942
I've actually not seen 1917.

00:31:32.942 --> 00:31:33.383
That was good.

00:31:34.403 --> 00:31:35.163
Highly recommend it.

00:31:35.423 --> 00:31:36.483
Yeah, George McKay is like,

00:31:36.723 --> 00:31:37.743
that's like a crazy role.

00:31:39.537 --> 00:31:40.137
going through that that's

00:31:40.157 --> 00:31:40.897
the one where is it all

00:31:41.018 --> 00:31:41.638
that's the one where it's

00:31:41.659 --> 00:31:43.019
all like a virtual single

00:31:43.059 --> 00:31:44.701
shot isn't it yeah yeah

00:31:44.901 --> 00:31:46.502
yeah yeah some of the early

00:31:46.702 --> 00:31:48.243
yeah I think I think maybe

00:31:48.263 --> 00:31:49.825
one of the longest early

00:31:49.904 --> 00:31:50.826
single shots right that

00:31:50.986 --> 00:31:52.928
that first one came out as

00:31:52.968 --> 00:31:54.169
a similar similar time as

00:31:54.249 --> 00:31:55.390
birdman didn't that so

00:31:55.410 --> 00:31:56.270
that's why I think people

00:31:56.290 --> 00:31:58.332
were talking about it um

00:31:59.292 --> 00:32:01.454
but I think I think birdman

00:32:01.494 --> 00:32:02.455
hasn't really stood the

00:32:02.476 --> 00:32:03.316
test of time like it was

00:32:03.336 --> 00:32:04.076
quite impressive at the

00:32:04.096 --> 00:32:05.198
time like the acting was

00:32:05.218 --> 00:32:05.837
really good and the

00:32:06.097 --> 00:32:07.019
cinematography obviously

00:32:07.058 --> 00:32:09.040
was good but it's a bit like

00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:12.020
No, maybe I need to go rewatch it.

00:32:12.621 --> 00:32:13.161
I've never seen it.

00:32:14.922 --> 00:32:16.123
I remember liking it at the time,

00:32:16.423 --> 00:32:18.144
but then in hindsight,

00:32:18.183 --> 00:32:22.026
it's not like something like I don't know,

00:32:22.086 --> 00:32:22.506
Widows?

00:32:22.526 --> 00:32:22.986
Strange Brew?

00:32:26.688 --> 00:32:26.968
Yeah,

00:32:26.988 --> 00:32:31.430
I feel like something else where

00:32:31.450 --> 00:32:32.009
there's really,

00:32:32.089 --> 00:32:33.810
really striking scenes where you're like,

00:32:34.070 --> 00:32:36.432
yeah, that's going to stay with me.

00:32:36.512 --> 00:32:38.313
That single shot in Widows

00:32:38.452 --> 00:32:39.233
is still one of the

00:32:41.881 --> 00:32:43.741
It's a stunning piece of cinema.

00:32:43.923 --> 00:32:45.584
Have you seen that film?

00:32:46.403 --> 00:32:46.585
No.

00:32:46.964 --> 00:32:48.026
It's like a heist movie.

00:32:49.307 --> 00:32:50.406
I think it's set in Chicago.

00:32:50.426 --> 00:32:54.269
What's it called again?

00:32:54.309 --> 00:32:54.690
Widows?

00:32:55.911 --> 00:32:57.451
Yeah.

00:32:58.032 --> 00:32:58.633
It's really good.

00:32:58.673 --> 00:32:59.574
It's like a heist movie.

00:32:59.933 --> 00:33:01.414
It's got a really good cast.

00:33:01.494 --> 00:33:01.955
I've seen this.

00:33:04.442 --> 00:33:05.122
if you've seen it,

00:33:05.362 --> 00:33:07.663
there's one really long shot,

00:33:08.022 --> 00:33:10.804
which is just so well done

00:33:11.544 --> 00:33:12.344
where somebody goes and

00:33:12.403 --> 00:33:14.025
gets into a car and just

00:33:14.065 --> 00:33:15.325
through the passage of the shot,

00:33:15.365 --> 00:33:18.326
they tell you like, just,

00:33:18.925 --> 00:33:20.146
you're just like, this is, this is,

00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.741
It's annoying because you go like more.

00:33:24.942 --> 00:33:26.163
The reason that it's

00:33:26.222 --> 00:33:27.604
actually really gracefully done,

00:33:27.624 --> 00:33:29.005
the shot isn't very showy

00:33:29.045 --> 00:33:29.724
and it shouldn't draw

00:33:29.765 --> 00:33:30.645
attention to itself.

00:33:30.986 --> 00:33:32.467
But the only reason it does is you're like,

00:33:32.507 --> 00:33:34.028
this is such good filmmaking.

00:33:34.107 --> 00:33:36.410
You realize how lazy a lot

00:33:36.450 --> 00:33:37.290
of the other films you

00:33:37.330 --> 00:33:38.411
watch are because you're like,

00:33:39.432 --> 00:33:40.333
this is how you can

00:33:40.432 --> 00:33:42.914
visually give a huge amount

00:33:42.954 --> 00:33:43.815
of information.

00:33:45.777 --> 00:33:46.897
Really elegantly,

00:33:47.057 --> 00:33:48.219
really gracefully using the

00:33:48.239 --> 00:33:49.740
medium without actually

00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:51.320
just using loads of crap dialogue.

00:33:54.507 --> 00:33:55.347
there's a very very great

00:33:55.387 --> 00:33:56.429
shot in it that I happen to

00:33:56.469 --> 00:33:58.230
love but also loads of the

00:33:58.250 --> 00:33:59.251
performances in it are

00:33:59.291 --> 00:34:00.173
really good it's a really

00:34:00.212 --> 00:34:02.395
good film it's a good heist

00:34:02.455 --> 00:34:03.957
movie it's always kind of

00:34:03.977 --> 00:34:04.798
fun to have good heist

00:34:04.837 --> 00:34:07.320
movies they're a good genre

00:34:08.186 --> 00:34:08.826
This is a good genre.

00:34:08.985 --> 00:34:10.447
I was actually last night.

00:34:10.467 --> 00:34:11.126
I was watching heat.

00:34:11.286 --> 00:34:14.007
Cause ah, so, so like on YouTube,

00:34:14.108 --> 00:34:14.788
like YouTube's putting all

00:34:14.807 --> 00:34:16.068
these free movies up lately.

00:34:16.088 --> 00:34:17.949
So like the Godfather is on there for free,

00:34:18.010 --> 00:34:20.030
like heats on strange brew, like,

00:34:20.210 --> 00:34:21.351
which is really only three

00:34:21.371 --> 00:34:22.170
movies you really need.

00:34:22.371 --> 00:34:23.050
I mean, to be honest,

00:34:23.090 --> 00:34:23.911
if you want to just like,

00:34:24.251 --> 00:34:25.492
you want to boil the shit down, it's,

00:34:25.512 --> 00:34:26.313
you only need those three.

00:34:26.333 --> 00:34:27.193
You should get rid of this

00:34:27.233 --> 00:34:28.693
black server for those down in your,

00:34:28.733 --> 00:34:31.114
your pocket book, heat, the Godfather,

00:34:31.293 --> 00:34:31.775
strange brew.

00:34:31.835 --> 00:34:32.875
Like if you're in a desert Island,

00:34:34.369 --> 00:34:35.030
Maybe Spinal Tap.

00:34:35.230 --> 00:34:35.871
All right, you throw that in,

00:34:35.891 --> 00:34:36.831
you get a fourth, then you get,

00:34:36.871 --> 00:34:37.893
you're kind of doubling the genre,

00:34:37.954 --> 00:34:38.393
but whatever.

00:34:38.994 --> 00:34:40.637
So, but they're all on YouTube.

00:34:40.677 --> 00:34:41.818
Like they just put them up for free now,

00:34:41.878 --> 00:34:42.599
which is, which is,

00:34:42.619 --> 00:34:43.681
and they're actually decent copies.

00:34:43.721 --> 00:34:45.163
Like they're, I don't know,

00:34:45.163 --> 00:34:45.963
1080 or 4K or whatever.

00:34:46.445 --> 00:34:47.365
But I was watching Heat last night,

00:34:47.385 --> 00:34:49.268
which is also like, that's like, I mean,

00:34:49.329 --> 00:34:51.130
Michael Mann movies are always like, yeah,

00:34:51.331 --> 00:34:51.692
exactly.

00:34:52.630 --> 00:34:53.251
It's silly.

00:34:53.811 --> 00:34:55.233
I mean, there's some stupid shit in there,

00:34:55.313 --> 00:34:58.275
but it's one of my favorite movies.

00:34:58.335 --> 00:34:58.594
It is.

00:34:59.416 --> 00:35:01.476
But it's also... Do you know what?

00:35:01.536 --> 00:35:05.500
It's just... I don't want to say credible,

00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:08.862
but it's just... It's just

00:35:09.121 --> 00:35:12.324
about rooted enough that

00:35:12.364 --> 00:35:13.485
you can forgive the really

00:35:13.525 --> 00:35:14.865
silly stuff and stay

00:35:14.905 --> 00:35:17.288
like... This could happen in LA.

00:35:17.367 --> 00:35:18.889
Yeah, this could happen in LA.

00:35:19.128 --> 00:35:19.688
Right, right, right.

00:35:20.068 --> 00:35:20.210
Like...

00:35:21.987 --> 00:35:23.027
I'm sure if you live in la

00:35:23.047 --> 00:35:24.329
you're probably like fuck

00:35:24.349 --> 00:35:27.730
this film but um yeah I

00:35:27.769 --> 00:35:29.590
don't know if it's a great

00:35:29.610 --> 00:35:31.112
film isn't it yeah it is

00:35:31.773 --> 00:35:33.213
spice okay we're doing

00:35:33.233 --> 00:35:34.634
we're doing hot takes like

00:35:35.094 --> 00:35:37.396
the godfather 2 it's not a

00:35:37.416 --> 00:35:39.996
very good film just because

00:35:40.016 --> 00:35:40.797
you said the godfather

00:35:40.817 --> 00:35:42.458
there everybody goes on

00:35:42.498 --> 00:35:43.438
about it I don't understand

00:35:43.498 --> 00:35:44.900
it like the godfather is

00:35:44.980 --> 00:35:47.121
like I like I like one better than two

00:35:48.188 --> 00:35:49.068
And everyone's like, oh yeah,

00:35:49.108 --> 00:35:51.251
The Godfather 2 makes it even better.

00:35:51.291 --> 00:35:52.891
And you're like,

00:35:52.911 --> 00:35:54.472
I haven't seen that film in

00:35:54.492 --> 00:35:55.614
maybe 20 years, right?

00:35:55.634 --> 00:35:57.576
I rewatched it recently and I was like,

00:35:57.956 --> 00:35:59.878
wow, this is a lot worse than I remember.

00:36:00.038 --> 00:36:03.481
This film's fucking, it's a 5 out of 10.

00:36:03.521 --> 00:36:04.641
I do not understand what the

00:36:04.681 --> 00:36:05.302
fuss is about.

00:36:05.322 --> 00:36:06.463
I mean,

00:36:06.503 --> 00:36:07.704
the weird part about it for me is I

00:36:07.724 --> 00:36:09.987
really don't like flashback things.

00:36:10.427 --> 00:36:11.847
I just want the story to progress.

00:36:12.148 --> 00:36:13.929
And the whole De Niro thing of it,

00:36:14.030 --> 00:36:14.650
it's just like,

00:36:14.990 --> 00:36:15.972
let's just get on with it.

00:36:16.802 --> 00:36:17.824
Like, I just want to like,

00:36:17.864 --> 00:36:18.864
let's move forward with

00:36:18.945 --> 00:36:20.306
Michael's transition into

00:36:21.007 --> 00:36:22.248
just fucking degeneracy.

00:36:22.289 --> 00:36:24.271
And like, let's, let's like that.

00:36:24.371 --> 00:36:25.452
That's the story, right?

00:36:25.632 --> 00:36:27.333
Like the story is Michael

00:36:27.353 --> 00:36:28.195
breaking out of the family.

00:36:28.215 --> 00:36:29.135
And then like, like,

00:36:29.356 --> 00:36:30.617
that's exactly what I mean.

00:36:30.697 --> 00:36:33.161
Like half of the, half of the film is a,

00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:34.661
is a, is a half.

00:36:35.282 --> 00:36:35.523
Yeah.

00:36:35.543 --> 00:36:35.983
I agree.

00:36:36.403 --> 00:36:36.583
Yeah.

00:36:36.684 --> 00:36:36.965
About,

00:36:38.074 --> 00:36:39.795
hit about Marlon Brando's early life.

00:36:39.856 --> 00:36:40.496
And you're like, look,

00:36:40.516 --> 00:36:42.376
the thing is I already know

00:36:42.635 --> 00:36:43.556
everything I need to know

00:36:43.597 --> 00:36:44.416
about that character.

00:36:44.516 --> 00:36:44.617
Right.

00:36:44.797 --> 00:36:45.177
Exactly.

00:36:45.856 --> 00:36:46.456
Like, I don't care.

00:36:46.597 --> 00:36:47.797
I don't care how he walked

00:36:47.858 --> 00:36:50.157
into exactly that opening scene,

00:36:50.177 --> 00:36:51.478
the Godfather with him in that room.

00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:52.739
I know everything about that.

00:36:53.018 --> 00:36:54.119
I know everything about that character.

00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:55.139
I don't need to know the

00:36:55.179 --> 00:36:55.860
backstory of that.

00:36:55.900 --> 00:36:56.940
Like, it's not that interesting.

00:36:57.139 --> 00:36:57.320
Right.

00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.880
Because like in there, you know,

00:37:01.041 --> 00:37:02.181
with the undertaker and all

00:37:02.202 --> 00:37:02.981
that's like that,

00:37:03.121 --> 00:37:06.063
that totally sets the entire series.

00:37:06.083 --> 00:37:06.322
Yeah.

00:37:08.467 --> 00:37:09.989
it would be like if June two

00:37:10.048 --> 00:37:12.552
was not what June two actually was,

00:37:12.612 --> 00:37:15.496
but instead it was a bit of

00:37:15.797 --> 00:37:17.500
like half about Paul doing

00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:19.481
stuff and gradually kind of

00:37:19.842 --> 00:37:21.846
trying to work out the limitations of,

00:37:21.965 --> 00:37:22.266
you know,

00:37:23.206 --> 00:37:25.088
what his destiny will be and whatnot.

00:37:25.547 --> 00:37:31.074
And then half of it is like how his father,

00:37:31.233 --> 00:37:32.735
Duke Leto treaties wanted

00:37:32.755 --> 00:37:33.936
to be a freighter pilot,

00:37:33.996 --> 00:37:35.217
but then had to gradually

00:37:35.297 --> 00:37:36.699
accept that he was actually

00:37:36.739 --> 00:37:38.000
the Duke of one of the

00:37:38.260 --> 00:37:39.282
lands around houses.

00:37:39.742 --> 00:37:41.422
And you'll be like, oh, yeah,

00:37:41.681 --> 00:37:43.043
now I finally understand

00:37:43.163 --> 00:37:45.123
why he had the bull's head

00:37:45.282 --> 00:37:46.762
over his door and a weird

00:37:46.842 --> 00:37:48.483
attitude towards authority.

00:37:48.864 --> 00:37:49.903
And it's like, yeah, great.

00:37:49.943 --> 00:37:51.423
That would add absolutely nothing.

00:37:51.483 --> 00:37:52.844
And nobody cares because

00:37:52.885 --> 00:37:53.724
it's not important.

00:37:53.744 --> 00:37:54.605
What you need to know about

00:37:54.644 --> 00:37:58.485
him is that he is popular

00:37:58.525 --> 00:37:59.266
in the land throughout.

00:37:59.306 --> 00:38:00.045
There you are done.

00:38:00.186 --> 00:38:01.025
And then all you need to do

00:38:01.065 --> 00:38:02.106
is know about the character,

00:38:02.146 --> 00:38:03.726
which is done by acting.

00:38:03.746 --> 00:38:04.947
Yeah.

00:38:06.121 --> 00:38:08.284
I do like all the shit with Fredo, though.

00:38:08.403 --> 00:38:09.144
That piece,

00:38:09.204 --> 00:38:11.445
that whole... It's a good meme as well.

00:38:11.766 --> 00:38:14.668
If only for the memes it's given us,

00:38:14.748 --> 00:38:17.911
that is... I know it was... Ah,

00:38:17.990 --> 00:38:20.572
it's great.

00:38:20.632 --> 00:38:22.054
That's all Michael content, again.

00:38:22.635 --> 00:38:24.536
Again, that half of the movie, for sure.

00:38:24.675 --> 00:38:25.836
Yeah, for sure.

00:38:25.956 --> 00:38:27.759
But the whole fucking

00:38:28.318 --> 00:38:30.280
Fanucci and all that shit

00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.222
back in the day and all

00:38:32.322 --> 00:38:33.083
of... I don't give a fuck.

00:38:34.027 --> 00:38:37.050
yeah yeah still great still

00:38:37.070 --> 00:38:39.590
good though he yeah I mean

00:38:39.630 --> 00:38:41.731
there's there's I don't

00:38:41.751 --> 00:38:43.713
know who's um what's the

00:38:43.893 --> 00:38:45.173
what's uh what's his face

00:38:45.813 --> 00:38:47.574
um from heat that passed

00:38:47.635 --> 00:38:50.416
away um tom sizemore yeah

00:38:51.217 --> 00:38:53.038
is he passed away isn't he

00:38:53.518 --> 00:38:56.059
oh god I hope wait tom yeah

00:38:56.099 --> 00:38:57.661
he died last year really

00:39:00.068 --> 00:39:01.168
he was he was battling

00:39:01.590 --> 00:39:02.630
addiction for a long time

00:39:02.650 --> 00:39:03.530
because he was like on a

00:39:03.570 --> 00:39:05.371
bunch of reality shows I

00:39:05.391 --> 00:39:06.291
remember from the early

00:39:06.692 --> 00:39:08.932
2000s like and fucking um

00:39:08.992 --> 00:39:09.554
what's that dude from

00:39:09.594 --> 00:39:13.675
loveline um uh I can't

00:39:13.695 --> 00:39:14.576
remember that guys but he

00:39:14.615 --> 00:39:15.677
had a he had a reality show

00:39:15.717 --> 00:39:16.916
about like people battling

00:39:16.956 --> 00:39:17.838
heroin addiction all that

00:39:17.858 --> 00:39:18.637
kind of stuff and tom was

00:39:18.697 --> 00:39:20.478
on there too and that is

00:39:20.539 --> 00:39:21.800
such a great fucking tom

00:39:21.820 --> 00:39:23.360
sizemore movie he is such a

00:39:23.561 --> 00:39:25.161
fucking awesome like just a

00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:26.222
great character um

00:39:27.590 --> 00:39:28.291
Like just a,

00:39:28.550 --> 00:39:31.172
like completely fills that role.

00:39:31.253 --> 00:39:33.333
Like it's just a really great,

00:39:34.054 --> 00:39:35.134
that role is just awesome for him.

00:39:36.355 --> 00:39:37.195
And same with Val too.

00:39:37.235 --> 00:39:38.335
Like that's a great Val role too.

00:39:39.230 --> 00:39:40.590
it is good yeah you know

00:39:40.610 --> 00:39:42.170
what the only problem is

00:39:42.210 --> 00:39:43.271
though I think with Val

00:39:43.291 --> 00:39:44.291
Kilmer in that film is you

00:39:44.331 --> 00:39:46.592
kind of you keep going oh

00:39:46.632 --> 00:39:48.052
yeah Val Kilmer is in some

00:39:48.092 --> 00:39:52.134
good stuff and then and

00:39:52.173 --> 00:39:54.675
that like you know that

00:39:54.755 --> 00:39:56.155
it's like an insta-fail

00:39:56.235 --> 00:39:57.215
isn't it as soon as you're

00:39:57.235 --> 00:39:58.536
sat there thinking oh this

00:39:58.617 --> 00:40:00.237
actor this is great he's

00:40:00.257 --> 00:40:01.597
doing just fine look at him

00:40:01.818 --> 00:40:03.677
look at him you know what

00:40:03.697 --> 00:40:05.278
was good actually Val

00:40:05.298 --> 00:40:06.900
Kilmer films have you seen

00:40:06.980 --> 00:40:07.980
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

00:40:08.364 --> 00:40:09.025
I have, yeah.

00:40:09.626 --> 00:40:10.025
That,

00:40:10.467 --> 00:40:12.268
and also it's got Thingy in it being

00:40:12.307 --> 00:40:13.409
a little bit less annoying

00:40:13.449 --> 00:40:14.409
than he quite often is.

00:40:16.070 --> 00:40:19.893
Iron Man, what's his fucking... Downey Jr.

00:40:20.233 --> 00:40:21.213
is in it as well, isn't it?

00:40:22.375 --> 00:40:24.016
And is a bit less annoying than usual.

00:40:24.115 --> 00:40:24.876
That's another good film.

00:40:25.476 --> 00:40:27.778
That's just a really... It's

00:40:27.818 --> 00:40:31.300
a really well... It's really well cast.

00:40:31.541 --> 00:40:33.523
It's still the only Pacino

00:40:33.543 --> 00:40:34.503
and De Niro movie, right?

00:40:35.784 --> 00:40:36.043
Must be.

00:40:36.063 --> 00:40:36.425
I think?

00:40:36.485 --> 00:40:36.605
Yeah.

00:40:37.697 --> 00:40:40.798
I think is the only one that

00:40:40.818 --> 00:40:41.498
they're actually,

00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:43.320
that they actually are on

00:40:43.340 --> 00:40:45.101
the screen together with each other.

00:40:45.121 --> 00:40:45.882
Yeah.

00:40:45.981 --> 00:40:47.262
Yeah, exactly.

00:40:47.302 --> 00:40:47.443
Yeah.

00:40:47.742 --> 00:40:47.943
Yeah.

00:40:48.023 --> 00:40:49.483
And now obviously John Boyd,

00:40:49.704 --> 00:40:50.644
great size more has been

00:40:50.664 --> 00:40:52.385
awesome in that Ashley Judd

00:40:52.485 --> 00:40:54.507
was great fucking character in that.

00:40:54.527 --> 00:40:56.007
Yeah.

00:40:56.547 --> 00:40:57.369
It's just really well done.

00:40:59.268 --> 00:41:00.768
Wayne Grove dude with Kevin Gage.

00:41:01.028 --> 00:41:02.469
Yeah.

00:41:03.371 --> 00:41:04.972
I mean, do you know what?

00:41:05.192 --> 00:41:06.833
It also does that thing for the audience,

00:41:06.873 --> 00:41:07.152
you know,

00:41:07.193 --> 00:41:08.554
where you see the problems

00:41:08.634 --> 00:41:09.494
coming because they're

00:41:09.534 --> 00:41:11.635
quite clearly telegraphed and everything.

00:41:12.235 --> 00:41:13.956
But you feel it makes you as

00:41:13.976 --> 00:41:15.577
the audience know 100%

00:41:15.577 --> 00:41:16.757
what's kind of going on all

00:41:16.797 --> 00:41:17.599
the time and really

00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:18.559
understand it from the

00:41:18.579 --> 00:41:19.280
character's point of view.

00:41:19.300 --> 00:41:20.541
But it also makes you feel like

00:41:21.181 --> 00:41:22.641
really clever for being like

00:41:22.882 --> 00:41:23.762
that guy's trouble and

00:41:23.782 --> 00:41:24.722
you're like of course he's

00:41:24.742 --> 00:41:25.481
trouble he literally

00:41:25.561 --> 00:41:26.523
wouldn't be in the film

00:41:26.943 --> 00:41:28.063
unless he was trouble that

00:41:28.083 --> 00:41:28.884
is the point of that

00:41:28.923 --> 00:41:30.244
character yeah but still

00:41:30.284 --> 00:41:31.603
like I think michael leaves

00:41:31.664 --> 00:41:32.824
there's still parts of that

00:41:32.864 --> 00:41:33.784
story that like you're

00:41:33.864 --> 00:41:35.726
stuck as a viewer trying to

00:41:35.746 --> 00:41:37.126
figure out like that ending

00:41:37.306 --> 00:41:39.306
in terms of how the dog

00:41:39.347 --> 00:41:41.128
goes bad and then like and

00:41:41.148 --> 00:41:43.547
then um what's his face um

00:41:44.869 --> 00:41:46.768
from uh what's the singer

00:41:46.789 --> 00:41:48.230
who's in there in that movie um

00:41:49.985 --> 00:41:51.246
God damn it.

00:41:51.885 --> 00:41:52.447
Somebody help me out.

00:41:53.387 --> 00:41:54.226
Somebody in the comments help me out.

00:41:54.586 --> 00:41:55.746
Who's the guy that plays Hugh Benny?

00:42:00.228 --> 00:42:00.628
I'll think of it.

00:42:00.688 --> 00:42:00.889
Anyway,

00:42:01.429 --> 00:42:03.228
but how that ending goes in terms

00:42:03.268 --> 00:42:04.510
of how they're getting

00:42:04.550 --> 00:42:05.809
busted and how the cops get

00:42:05.829 --> 00:42:06.489
tipped off to them.

00:42:06.869 --> 00:42:08.030
There's still a bunch of

00:42:08.170 --> 00:42:09.530
plot points you've got to

00:42:09.570 --> 00:42:10.411
figure out on your own,

00:42:10.431 --> 00:42:11.411
which I really enjoy as well.

00:42:13.612 --> 00:42:14.431
Good flick.

00:42:16.873 --> 00:42:18.253
Why can't I think of who the hell that

00:42:19.016 --> 00:42:20.675
Nobody in nobody helping me out.

00:42:21.135 --> 00:42:21.755
Henry Rollins.

00:42:22.016 --> 00:42:22.516
God damn it.

00:42:23.217 --> 00:42:26.976
I don't know about is late here.

00:42:27.056 --> 00:42:28.637
I can, I can be excused, but yeah.

00:42:28.657 --> 00:42:28.878
Okay.

00:42:28.898 --> 00:42:29.717
Should have got Henry,

00:42:29.777 --> 00:42:30.757
Henry Rollins to be fair.

00:42:32.358 --> 00:42:34.039
So great albums.

00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.858
Um, any blockchain.

00:42:36.878 --> 00:42:38.739
So I, I, so background here as well.

00:42:38.798 --> 00:42:41.139
I've been off the last week, uh,

00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:42.679
or not this week.

00:42:42.780 --> 00:42:43.159
I'm back.

00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:44.460
I'm obviously, I'm obviously here.

00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:45.221
I'm at work.

00:42:45.661 --> 00:42:46.360
Well, I'm not at work.

00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:47.121
It's night here.

00:42:47.621 --> 00:42:47.661
Um,

00:42:48.731 --> 00:42:52.652
but previously was that work again?

00:42:53.313 --> 00:42:54.452
But, uh, but I missed,

00:42:54.592 --> 00:42:56.414
I missed whatever did happen last week.

00:42:56.534 --> 00:42:58.094
If indeed anything did happen last week.

00:42:58.153 --> 00:43:02.954
So yo, what's how I see prices are down.

00:43:03.054 --> 00:43:03.335
Are they,

00:43:03.554 --> 00:43:06.635
they kind of seem down like

00:43:07.775 --> 00:43:08.976
everybody turned off the line,

00:43:09.016 --> 00:43:09.896
got technology.

00:43:09.976 --> 00:43:11.077
I took a couple of days off

00:43:11.177 --> 00:43:12.137
and you'll turn it off.

00:43:12.876 --> 00:43:13.817
Could you turn it back on?

00:43:14.336 --> 00:43:15.056
It depends on what tokens

00:43:15.077 --> 00:43:15.637
you're talking about.

00:43:17.617 --> 00:43:17.717
Um,

00:43:19.288 --> 00:43:21.291
I mean, on the news front,

00:43:21.431 --> 00:43:24.614
I know that there's some shenanigans,

00:43:24.653 --> 00:43:27.396
isn't there, in the Grayscale Bitcoin ETF,

00:43:27.456 --> 00:43:27.697
right?

00:43:28.778 --> 00:43:34.184
Which is that the... I think

00:43:34.344 --> 00:43:35.085
basically people who were

00:43:35.125 --> 00:43:36.206
able to buy it before it

00:43:36.246 --> 00:43:37.307
became exchange-traded

00:43:38.514 --> 00:43:39.574
uh disproportionately

00:43:39.655 --> 00:43:43.139
cashing out um so it's

00:43:43.219 --> 00:43:44.599
apparently hemorrhaging

00:43:44.619 --> 00:43:45.800
cash to the tune of 15

00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:47.202
billion dollars of outflows

00:43:47.983 --> 00:43:50.545
and 5k btc per day is being

00:43:50.585 --> 00:43:51.467
cashed out and they don't

00:43:52.148 --> 00:43:53.007
they're like unless that

00:43:53.088 --> 00:43:54.009
slows down they don't have

00:43:54.048 --> 00:43:55.150
enough btc to cover it but

00:43:55.371 --> 00:43:56.311
of course it will slow down

00:43:56.472 --> 00:43:57.172
right because it's just

00:43:57.313 --> 00:43:59.173
early investors dumping you

00:44:00.034 --> 00:44:01.777
know realizing profits right

00:44:03.103 --> 00:44:04.605
No, I didn't think it was that, though.

00:44:04.744 --> 00:44:05.985
I thought when I was reading about that,

00:44:06.045 --> 00:44:07.344
because I saw a little bit around that,

00:44:07.364 --> 00:44:07.885
I thought they were just

00:44:07.925 --> 00:44:11.746
moving to other lower-cost ETF options.

00:44:11.766 --> 00:44:14.106
I don't know if it was actually dumping,

00:44:14.186 --> 00:44:16.967
because PTC hasn't... Yeah,

00:44:17.027 --> 00:44:18.168
because they don't have

00:44:18.228 --> 00:44:20.869
enough money to cover their obligations.

00:44:21.048 --> 00:44:22.190
It doesn't make any sense.

00:44:24.130 --> 00:44:24.590
Yeah,

00:44:24.751 --> 00:44:26.271
I don't think it's a problem about

00:44:26.351 --> 00:44:27.891
them being liquid as a company.

00:44:27.911 --> 00:44:29.092
I think it's about their...

00:44:30.452 --> 00:44:31.594
what's being sold off the

00:44:31.634 --> 00:44:32.713
Bitcoins that they hold.

00:44:32.733 --> 00:44:34.034
Yeah.

00:44:34.775 --> 00:44:35.496
So in this,

00:44:35.516 --> 00:44:38.257
I will link an article in the show notes,

00:44:38.338 --> 00:44:41.760
but basically that the

00:44:42.860 --> 00:44:51.626
Grayscale ETF had over 618,000 Bitcoin,

00:44:53.106 --> 00:44:54.327
which is actually fucking incredible.

00:44:54.367 --> 00:44:56.108
I didn't realize it was that large.

00:44:57.228 --> 00:44:57.329
Um,

00:44:58.242 --> 00:44:59.684
And then right now, today,

00:44:59.704 --> 00:45:02.606
or around this time, which is April 2024,

00:45:02.606 --> 00:45:04.706
has around 328,000,

00:45:04.706 --> 00:45:06.427
which is down an average of

00:45:06.947 --> 00:45:09.030
about 5,000 or 5,100

00:45:09.030 --> 00:45:10.811
Bitcoin per day that's bleeding out.

00:45:11.972 --> 00:45:12.311
But again,

00:45:12.811 --> 00:45:15.494
I think that those outflows...

00:45:16.014 --> 00:45:17.275
It's not going to cash, though.

00:45:17.914 --> 00:45:18.356
My understanding,

00:45:18.396 --> 00:45:19.135
at least in terms of

00:45:19.295 --> 00:45:20.016
reading some of this and

00:45:20.036 --> 00:45:21.617
some of the other articles

00:45:21.637 --> 00:45:22.137
that we'll link,

00:45:22.677 --> 00:45:24.219
was really kind of going to other...

00:45:26.809 --> 00:45:28.469
other options that might be

00:45:28.550 --> 00:45:29.871
able to deliver at a lower

00:45:29.911 --> 00:45:30.911
cost or anything else like that.

00:45:31.010 --> 00:45:32.431
Yeah, so I saw something about that,

00:45:32.472 --> 00:45:35.574
but then there was also apparently,

00:45:36.393 --> 00:45:38.534
I don't know what percentage it makes up.

00:45:39.255 --> 00:45:40.536
It might be a very minor percentage,

00:45:40.556 --> 00:45:40.956
to be fair.

00:45:41.896 --> 00:45:42.958
But apparently there's also

00:45:42.978 --> 00:45:46.320
a question of exposure to

00:45:46.699 --> 00:45:47.500
some of the companies that

00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:48.820
have gone bust recently,

00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:53.443
like Genesis and obviously FTX, who had

00:45:54.905 --> 00:45:56.626
significant holdings with

00:45:56.706 --> 00:45:59.266
them like pre pre-listing I

00:45:59.306 --> 00:46:01.086
think and apparently those

00:46:01.186 --> 00:46:02.467
funds are being used to pay

00:46:02.568 --> 00:46:05.088
back the um because you

00:46:05.329 --> 00:46:05.929
remember there was that

00:46:06.028 --> 00:46:07.608
whole thing with ftx where

00:46:07.688 --> 00:46:09.650
they needed to pay back

00:46:09.670 --> 00:46:11.170
their customers and because

00:46:11.291 --> 00:46:12.530
bitcoin's price had gone up

00:46:13.311 --> 00:46:15.231
they were able to pay back

00:46:15.632 --> 00:46:16.431
more than they would have

00:46:16.452 --> 00:46:18.893
been able to on the basis

00:46:18.932 --> 00:46:20.273
of their fraud at the time

00:46:20.293 --> 00:46:21.414
of discovery because the

00:46:21.454 --> 00:46:22.695
price has gone up so much

00:46:22.735 --> 00:46:23.914
since then that they actually have

00:46:25.269 --> 00:46:27.411
more hypothetical assets

00:46:27.452 --> 00:46:28.931
were they to liquidate to

00:46:29.032 --> 00:46:30.052
actually pay back those

00:46:30.092 --> 00:46:32.213
funds but I i think not all

00:46:32.253 --> 00:46:33.054
those bitcoins obviously a

00:46:33.135 --> 00:46:34.856
whole held specifically by

00:46:35.536 --> 00:46:37.818
the now former ftx that

00:46:37.998 --> 00:46:39.077
held in things like this

00:46:39.378 --> 00:46:40.818
bitcoin atf and blah blah

00:46:40.838 --> 00:46:43.380
blah right but I don't

00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.322
think that's like it's not

00:46:45.342 --> 00:46:46.443
enough to make it unstable

00:46:46.483 --> 00:46:47.282
like you say it's probably

00:46:47.302 --> 00:46:48.063
just people shuffling

00:46:48.103 --> 00:46:50.045
around between other um

00:46:51.922 --> 00:46:53.943
Yeah, other Bitcoin ETFs.

00:46:54.324 --> 00:46:55.945
I mean, say what you want,

00:46:55.985 --> 00:47:00.487
but 618,000 Bitcoin down to

00:47:00.487 --> 00:47:03.309
328,000 is still a massive

00:47:03.349 --> 00:47:05.090
drop in terms of outflow.

00:47:05.150 --> 00:47:06.431
It's not like an outflow-outflow.

00:47:06.472 --> 00:47:08.092
It's a big reduction for them.

00:47:08.833 --> 00:47:09.233
Apparently,

00:47:09.273 --> 00:47:12.135
they're applying to actually

00:47:12.195 --> 00:47:14.938
create a new ETF of some

00:47:14.998 --> 00:47:16.818
kind that's like a mini-mini.

00:47:17.940 --> 00:47:19.001
version with different fee

00:47:19.021 --> 00:47:20.181
structure to try and

00:47:20.222 --> 00:47:22.204
recapture some of that lost market.

00:47:23.063 --> 00:47:25.266
Obviously,

00:47:25.286 --> 00:47:26.746
this is all just financial

00:47:27.827 --> 00:47:29.188
shenanigans now at this point,

00:47:29.228 --> 00:47:31.769
but if you're a Bitcoin maxi,

00:47:31.809 --> 00:47:33.291
that's all positive news for Bitcoin,

00:47:33.351 --> 00:47:33.610
isn't it?

00:47:34.791 --> 00:47:35.311
Yeah, actually,

00:47:35.592 --> 00:47:36.773
I'm surprised what those...

00:47:36.972 --> 00:47:37.972
I'm going to look really

00:47:38.012 --> 00:47:39.074
quick on what those fees are,

00:47:39.114 --> 00:47:40.775
because it's fucking

00:47:40.815 --> 00:47:42.076
holding a digital token.

00:47:42.096 --> 00:47:43.197
How much fucking fees are there?

00:47:44.556 --> 00:47:45.617
Well, that's just it.

00:47:46.077 --> 00:47:46.838
It's actually pretty high.

00:47:47.657 --> 00:47:56.159
It's not fucking doing anything.

00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.139
It seems weird to have high

00:47:58.420 --> 00:48:01.380
fees for something that

00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:03.900
doesn't really have particular fees.

00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:04.822
I'm looking at the page on

00:48:04.842 --> 00:48:05.581
Schwab and they're showing

00:48:05.621 --> 00:48:06.342
an expense ratio of 1.5%,

00:48:06.342 --> 00:48:07.202
which is pretty high.

00:48:07.222 --> 00:48:08.461
Is there any other...

00:48:18.492 --> 00:48:18.713
I mean,

00:48:18.773 --> 00:48:20.954
literally 100% of our assets are in

00:48:20.994 --> 00:48:21.333
Bitcoin.

00:48:21.353 --> 00:48:24.014
So it's not like, like it seems very,

00:48:24.355 --> 00:48:25.235
that seems kind of wild.

00:48:25.554 --> 00:48:27.255
But okay, now I get it.

00:48:27.255 --> 00:48:29.916
1.5% for just sitting around

00:48:30.777 --> 00:48:32.016
seems to be a little bit much.

00:48:32.036 --> 00:48:32.317
I mean,

00:48:32.336 --> 00:48:33.476
you might as well pay that to validators.

00:48:34.197 --> 00:48:34.858
I mean, yeah.

00:48:36.057 --> 00:48:36.237
Yeah,

00:48:36.378 --> 00:48:38.139
or just buy Bitcoin directly yourself,

00:48:38.318 --> 00:48:38.518
right?

00:48:41.996 --> 00:48:42.336
I mean,

00:48:42.577 --> 00:48:44.438
why not just buy Bitcoin on Kraken

00:48:44.978 --> 00:48:47.057
or something and then just hold it,

00:48:47.197 --> 00:48:48.119
just put it on a ledger and

00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:48.978
put the ledger in a bank

00:48:48.998 --> 00:48:50.599
vault and just be like, well,

00:48:51.219 --> 00:48:53.980
no fees to 2026.

00:48:53.980 --> 00:48:55.001
Yeah, seems a little bit nuts.

00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:02.163
But yeah, on securities news as well,

00:49:05.483 --> 00:49:07.443
the US Court of Appeals,

00:49:08.023 --> 00:49:09.123
do you see this news this week?

00:49:09.565 --> 00:49:10.105
The thing about...

00:49:11.672 --> 00:49:12.673
secondary sales of crypto.

00:49:14.014 --> 00:49:16.237
So they ruled in favor of

00:49:16.297 --> 00:49:20.119
Coinbase that the secondary

00:49:20.179 --> 00:49:21.842
sales that they do do not

00:49:21.882 --> 00:49:23.603
violate the Securities Exchange Act.

00:49:25.664 --> 00:49:26.965
So they're kind of basically, I guess,

00:49:27.005 --> 00:49:28.126
setting up stage for one

00:49:28.146 --> 00:49:29.969
more round of legal shenanigans on that,

00:49:30.748 --> 00:49:31.329
which is kind of

00:49:31.349 --> 00:49:33.152
interesting because it's like the...

00:49:34.286 --> 00:49:35.547
It's the question of issuing

00:49:35.867 --> 00:49:37.307
tokens versus selling

00:49:37.547 --> 00:49:39.048
something that already exists, right?

00:49:39.389 --> 00:49:41.090
Is my naive understanding of

00:49:41.110 --> 00:49:41.929
what's going on there.

00:49:42.469 --> 00:49:43.731
And that's kind of the basis, I think,

00:49:43.751 --> 00:49:44.652
of Coinbase's argument.

00:49:44.672 --> 00:49:45.052
They're like, look,

00:49:45.072 --> 00:49:46.393
we're not minting shit.

00:49:46.432 --> 00:49:46.813
We're just...

00:49:48.219 --> 00:49:48.800
People have stuff.

00:49:49.201 --> 00:49:49.862
They want to sell it.

00:49:50.181 --> 00:49:50.963
We buy and sell.

00:49:52.123 --> 00:49:54.766
We're making the money.

00:49:57.369 --> 00:49:58.471
I assume that's basically

00:49:58.490 --> 00:49:59.231
the basis of their legal

00:49:59.271 --> 00:49:59.931
argument and that's what

00:49:59.952 --> 00:50:02.375
they did in court.

00:50:03.056 --> 00:50:03.936
They're basically like Dell

00:50:03.956 --> 00:50:05.858
Trotter for the Brits.

00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.983
Just no income tax, no VAT, no money back,

00:50:10.023 --> 00:50:10.583
no guarantee.

00:50:13.981 --> 00:50:14.061
Now,

00:50:14.101 --> 00:50:16.342
that was a theme song written for the

00:50:16.362 --> 00:50:16.603
show.

00:50:18.123 --> 00:50:18.804
I think, anyway.

00:50:19.264 --> 00:50:22.365
Maybe I'm wrong about that, too.

00:50:23.686 --> 00:50:24.407
But that's interesting.

00:50:25.708 --> 00:50:26.867
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

00:50:27.389 --> 00:50:27.668
Whatever.

00:50:27.688 --> 00:50:30.650
There's so many different

00:50:30.949 --> 00:50:35.112
cases that are open, and... I mean,

00:50:35.132 --> 00:50:36.172
we could also talk about the...

00:50:39.534 --> 00:50:40.956
There was another one where, oh,

00:50:40.976 --> 00:50:42.177
the Uniswap thing we should talk about.

00:50:42.898 --> 00:50:44.340
But there's so many cases

00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:45.782
that are open and you have

00:50:45.842 --> 00:50:47.684
different aspects of U.S.

00:50:48.646 --> 00:50:49.628
government agencies,

00:50:49.708 --> 00:50:54.976
whether that be different parts of our

00:50:56.815 --> 00:50:58.456
of our government that vote that,

00:50:58.597 --> 00:50:59.539
that basically decide

00:50:59.579 --> 00:51:00.340
different aspects of

00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:01.621
whether it's the securities or not.

00:51:02.001 --> 00:51:02.161
Right.

00:51:02.702 --> 00:51:04.605
So this, like this Coinbase thing is,

00:51:05.005 --> 00:51:06.266
is great, but, but again,

00:51:06.306 --> 00:51:07.829
like they're just to your point,

00:51:07.869 --> 00:51:09.271
like they're just going, Hey, we're just,

00:51:09.471 --> 00:51:10.472
we're just brokers in here.

00:51:10.532 --> 00:51:11.454
So therefore we're not

00:51:11.494 --> 00:51:12.594
reliable for whether this

00:51:12.675 --> 00:51:13.757
is security or not in the security.

00:51:15.873 --> 00:51:16.974
Yeah, I guess at any given time,

00:51:16.994 --> 00:51:18.215
there's one case over here,

00:51:18.255 --> 00:51:19.737
and then there's two cases over here,

00:51:19.777 --> 00:51:21.757
and they're all mutually contradictory.

00:51:21.818 --> 00:51:24.260
Yeah, yeah.

00:51:24.739 --> 00:51:25.621
This one around Coinbase,

00:51:26.081 --> 00:51:27.222
the idea around user agreements,

00:51:27.882 --> 00:51:28.802
did you look at that at all,

00:51:29.342 --> 00:51:30.063
and what they were talking

00:51:30.083 --> 00:51:31.125
about in terms of what the

00:51:31.204 --> 00:51:31.905
user agreements were?

00:51:32.025 --> 00:51:32.885
I guess the user agreements

00:51:32.965 --> 00:51:34.306
were important because they

00:51:34.407 --> 00:51:35.106
changed over time,

00:51:35.166 --> 00:51:36.228
and they were trying to be

00:51:36.248 --> 00:51:38.389
able to say that they had

00:51:38.429 --> 00:51:40.170
no liability in this component.

00:51:40.351 --> 00:51:41.771
I wasn't sure exactly what that meant.

00:51:42.552 --> 00:51:42.974
I don't know,

00:51:43.034 --> 00:51:43.894
but I know that there's been

00:51:43.934 --> 00:51:44.715
a whole bunch of

00:51:44.755 --> 00:51:45.938
shenanigans around similar

00:51:45.958 --> 00:51:47.159
things in the UK where

00:51:47.179 --> 00:51:48.221
they've tried to be like,

00:51:48.380 --> 00:51:50.664
I think it was Binance tried to be like,

00:51:51.844 --> 00:51:52.505
they tried to do something

00:51:52.545 --> 00:51:53.367
with the user agreements

00:51:53.407 --> 00:51:55.150
when the law has changed here slightly.

00:51:55.844 --> 00:51:57.244
And then they were like, oh, no,

00:51:57.284 --> 00:51:58.126
it's actually not that.

00:51:59.326 --> 00:52:00.606
You don't have an agreement with us.

00:52:00.646 --> 00:52:02.347
You have this agreement with

00:52:02.987 --> 00:52:05.786
Timpot Mickey Mouse company, LTD,

00:52:06.246 --> 00:52:07.588
that was set up yesterday.

00:52:07.608 --> 00:52:09.628
That's definitely nothing to

00:52:09.668 --> 00:52:10.568
do with Binance.

00:52:10.688 --> 00:52:13.648
And the regulator literally, I think,

00:52:14.728 --> 00:52:17.610
literally just said to them, like, no,

00:52:18.090 --> 00:52:18.550
excuse me.

00:52:18.670 --> 00:52:19.271
We've just seen.

00:52:19.371 --> 00:52:20.251
We've just got an email.

00:52:20.271 --> 00:52:20.831
Yeah.

00:52:21.797 --> 00:52:22.778
saying that you you're

00:52:22.798 --> 00:52:24.199
actually not the whatever

00:52:24.219 --> 00:52:25.780
whatever yeah that's really

00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.041
obvious we know and then

00:52:28.181 --> 00:52:29.081
they said like it was

00:52:29.143 --> 00:52:29.983
really funny that you got

00:52:30.003 --> 00:52:31.523
like an email like later

00:52:31.543 --> 00:52:32.764
the day that day being like

00:52:32.824 --> 00:52:34.146
we sent an email saying

00:52:34.226 --> 00:52:36.027
that it would actually be

00:52:36.067 --> 00:52:37.507
this but it's no it's still

00:52:37.648 --> 00:52:39.548
us and we're just gonna not

00:52:39.768 --> 00:52:40.989
let you do certain things

00:52:41.030 --> 00:52:42.550
if you live in the uk anymore so I mean

00:52:43.929 --> 00:52:44.650
I think they're all playing

00:52:44.670 --> 00:52:46.152
it by ear a lot, aren't they?

00:52:46.172 --> 00:52:47.211
They're trying to get away

00:52:47.231 --> 00:52:48.052
with whatever they can get

00:52:48.072 --> 00:52:50.974
away with to keep the magic

00:52:51.014 --> 00:52:53.275
money pipe chugging away.

00:52:54.016 --> 00:52:56.777
This is the DYDX argument of like,

00:52:57.297 --> 00:52:58.579
we just make the software

00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:02.320
and somebody... We're an

00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:03.362
open source project.

00:53:03.402 --> 00:53:04.842
We don't do anything.

00:53:04.943 --> 00:53:07.364
We barely do anything.

00:53:07.443 --> 00:53:08.664
Just give it away for free

00:53:08.724 --> 00:53:09.606
and somebody else does it.

00:53:09.726 --> 00:53:10.927
Null does it out of Australia.

00:53:11.047 --> 00:53:11.907
Go blame him.

00:53:11.927 --> 00:53:13.007
He's the one making the blocks.

00:53:14.576 --> 00:53:19.157
He's in Australia.

00:53:19.277 --> 00:53:19.938
He's where he lives.

00:53:20.099 --> 00:53:21.199
Like he's the one making the blocks.

00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:22.418
He's the one that does it all.

00:53:22.478 --> 00:53:23.099
I don't do anything.

00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:24.380
My worry is that that

00:53:25.059 --> 00:53:26.081
argument will in the end

00:53:26.161 --> 00:53:29.621
work with regulators because the,

00:53:29.842 --> 00:53:30.523
the people who have like

00:53:30.543 --> 00:53:31.123
the most money and

00:53:31.143 --> 00:53:31.983
influence at this point

00:53:32.003 --> 00:53:32.882
stored up are probably the

00:53:32.902 --> 00:53:34.003
centralized exchanges.

00:53:34.123 --> 00:53:36.844
But, um, you know,

00:53:39.141 --> 00:53:39.681
Whether or not you're

00:53:39.780 --> 00:53:41.282
actually making money on a

00:53:41.322 --> 00:53:42.302
given network as a

00:53:42.362 --> 00:53:45.204
validator is highly contextual,

00:53:46.644 --> 00:53:49.045
by which I mean the context is,

00:53:49.226 --> 00:53:50.425
are you in Cosmos or not?

00:53:52.447 --> 00:53:54.027
And if you're in Cosmos right now,

00:53:54.068 --> 00:53:55.148
you're not making money on

00:53:55.188 --> 00:53:57.168
those chains unless you're

00:53:57.208 --> 00:53:58.130
in the top five.

00:53:59.702 --> 00:54:01.623
So this is one of the things

00:54:01.682 --> 00:54:02.822
I've seen around discussion

00:54:02.882 --> 00:54:04.302
of like regulation activity

00:54:04.342 --> 00:54:05.523
and stuff where, you know,

00:54:05.543 --> 00:54:06.983
you have to register and

00:54:07.023 --> 00:54:08.105
then there's like, you know,

00:54:08.784 --> 00:54:09.784
paperwork to fill out and

00:54:09.824 --> 00:54:10.304
all that sort of stuff.

00:54:10.625 --> 00:54:11.965
And yeah, it, let's be real.

00:54:12.005 --> 00:54:13.326
The paperwork initially

00:54:13.346 --> 00:54:13.965
would probably be quite

00:54:14.025 --> 00:54:14.827
light and then it would

00:54:15.007 --> 00:54:16.786
quickly become a job, you know, proper,

00:54:16.827 --> 00:54:19.487
proper auditing, tracking, blah, blah,

00:54:19.507 --> 00:54:19.867
blah, blah.

00:54:19.887 --> 00:54:20.027
Like,

00:54:20.068 --> 00:54:22.528
like getting an ISO like 2000 to

00:54:22.528 --> 00:54:24.068
27,001 or, or whatever it might be like,

00:54:24.088 --> 00:54:25.130
you know, for cybersecurity.

00:54:26.230 --> 00:54:26.349
Um,

00:54:27.168 --> 00:54:28.367
But you look at that and you go like, well,

00:54:28.987 --> 00:54:30.248
the problem is it's not

00:54:30.329 --> 00:54:31.429
like running a bank.

00:54:32.869 --> 00:54:33.789
What we do or like

00:54:33.869 --> 00:54:34.849
infrastructure in general

00:54:34.869 --> 00:54:36.269
in this space is not like

00:54:36.811 --> 00:54:37.771
running a bank or

00:54:38.090 --> 00:54:40.592
custodying user funds in another industry,

00:54:41.492 --> 00:54:42.632
writing insurance policies,

00:54:42.652 --> 00:54:43.231
something like that.

00:54:43.891 --> 00:54:44.733
Because all of those

00:54:44.853 --> 00:54:46.052
organizations know what

00:54:46.092 --> 00:54:49.393
they're making by operating.

00:54:49.733 --> 00:54:51.653
And in this space, you're like, well, look,

00:54:51.693 --> 00:54:51.994
you know, if...

00:54:54.471 --> 00:54:55.271
if you were just a cosmos

00:54:55.311 --> 00:54:56.231
validator and you're in the

00:54:56.371 --> 00:54:58.492
UK right now and they put

00:54:58.532 --> 00:54:59.932
that regulatory overhead on you,

00:54:59.972 --> 00:55:03.134
you'd be like, well, um, we,

00:55:03.253 --> 00:55:04.094
are we going to hire

00:55:04.155 --> 00:55:05.255
somebody to make us

00:55:05.355 --> 00:55:07.695
regulatory compliant for a

00:55:07.735 --> 00:55:08.615
few shit chains now?

00:55:08.655 --> 00:55:09.976
We're probably just on bond actually.

00:55:11.257 --> 00:55:12.318
Like, and,

00:55:12.677 --> 00:55:13.757
and the funny thing is I don't

00:55:13.797 --> 00:55:14.438
think that's what the

00:55:14.478 --> 00:55:16.398
regulator would want.

00:55:16.438 --> 00:55:17.079
I mean, the regular,

00:55:17.099 --> 00:55:17.860
what the regulator would

00:55:17.900 --> 00:55:20.581
like is for you to have to pay a fee, um,

00:55:23.108 --> 00:55:24.628
submit them some reports,

00:55:25.009 --> 00:55:25.889
and then continue making

00:55:25.949 --> 00:55:27.550
money and getting taxed on it.

00:55:27.610 --> 00:55:30.451
That's, I think, the ideal situation,

00:55:31.010 --> 00:55:31.971
especially for validators

00:55:32.010 --> 00:55:32.751
where there's not really a

00:55:32.871 --> 00:55:33.992
user harm component.

00:55:34.771 --> 00:55:34.952
I mean,

00:55:34.972 --> 00:55:38.233
there is in Cosmos if you double sign.

00:55:39.753 --> 00:55:42.173
But not every chain has slashing.

00:55:42.853 --> 00:55:44.855
So I think slashing is the

00:55:44.894 --> 00:55:46.295
way that we get regulated

00:55:46.835 --> 00:55:48.956
and on chains that don't have

00:55:50.324 --> 00:55:52.726
slashing and tombstoning the

00:55:52.766 --> 00:55:54.007
argument for user harm by

00:55:54.067 --> 00:55:54.947
validators and node

00:55:54.987 --> 00:55:56.128
operators is very very low

00:55:56.148 --> 00:55:59.748
uh so I don't know it's

00:55:59.768 --> 00:56:01.409
interesting I i wonder

00:56:01.449 --> 00:56:02.050
what's going to become of

00:56:02.090 --> 00:56:03.070
that argument over time

00:56:03.610 --> 00:56:05.311
obviously we all have a

00:56:05.371 --> 00:56:06.472
strong vested interest in

00:56:06.552 --> 00:56:07.592
where the regulation for

00:56:07.612 --> 00:56:10.954
that goes but yeah um the

00:56:10.994 --> 00:56:12.034
challenge here is also it's

00:56:12.474 --> 00:56:13.615
there's so much nuance in

00:56:13.695 --> 00:56:15.356
terms of what a validator

00:56:15.396 --> 00:56:15.916
does in terms of

00:56:17.346 --> 00:56:19.467
I mean, I view ourselves as auditors.

00:56:19.786 --> 00:56:21.387
We see transactions come in.

00:56:21.527 --> 00:56:23.748
We verify that those are accurate.

00:56:23.887 --> 00:56:26.608
We help package those up into a block,

00:56:26.668 --> 00:56:29.568
and we help ensure that the

00:56:29.628 --> 00:56:31.028
integrity of what's coming through.

00:56:31.148 --> 00:56:32.090
We have no ownership of

00:56:32.110 --> 00:56:32.690
what's coming through.

00:56:33.090 --> 00:56:33.769
We don't understand the

00:56:33.929 --> 00:56:34.849
source of what's coming through.

00:56:34.869 --> 00:56:35.949
The only thing we're saying

00:56:35.989 --> 00:56:37.130
is that what's coming through is true.

00:56:38.090 --> 00:56:39.451
And then that's basically

00:56:39.490 --> 00:56:40.452
what happens to the next one.

00:56:40.532 --> 00:56:41.211
All right.

00:56:41.371 --> 00:56:42.871
I'm changing the description

00:56:42.931 --> 00:56:43.452
on my website.

00:56:43.592 --> 00:56:45.012
I'm now a block auditor.

00:56:45.552 --> 00:56:46.273
We're a block auditor.

00:56:46.882 --> 00:56:48.565
No, no, we don't order.

00:56:48.585 --> 00:56:49.244
We don't order.

00:56:49.264 --> 00:56:49.925
We're a block.

00:56:49.945 --> 00:56:50.666
We're a verifier.

00:56:51.748 --> 00:56:52.809
We order.

00:56:53.289 --> 00:56:54.389
We order transactions.

00:56:54.429 --> 00:56:54.949
We order.

00:56:55.351 --> 00:56:56.592
No, but there's more ordering, right?

00:56:56.871 --> 00:56:57.932
Like there is some.

00:56:58.554 --> 00:57:01.056
Obviously, there's more to it.

00:57:01.315 --> 00:57:02.697
But anyway,

00:57:02.898 --> 00:57:04.840
so the idea that we are

00:57:05.179 --> 00:57:06.300
sponsoring or we're

00:57:06.420 --> 00:57:08.202
allowing transactions or we're.

00:57:08.938 --> 00:57:09.980
doing those types of things

00:57:10.340 --> 00:57:13.021
is just kind of insane, right?

00:57:13.182 --> 00:57:16.364
So I think that nuance is

00:57:16.965 --> 00:57:19.487
probably too detailed for

00:57:20.289 --> 00:57:21.389
most individuals that are

00:57:21.449 --> 00:57:22.471
responsible for determining

00:57:22.490 --> 00:57:23.090
whether these are

00:57:23.110 --> 00:57:24.972
securities or not and what

00:57:25.012 --> 00:57:25.932
the role is that we have.

00:57:26.034 --> 00:57:27.454
And that's really the challenge.

00:57:27.474 --> 00:57:29.115
The challenge is like when

00:57:29.135 --> 00:57:30.097
the technology is so

00:57:30.137 --> 00:57:31.518
complex or maybe not complex,

00:57:31.538 --> 00:57:33.059
but so nuanced,

00:57:33.806 --> 00:57:34.847
that you try to put this

00:57:34.907 --> 00:57:36.387
into very basic terms,

00:57:36.788 --> 00:57:37.969
that those basic terms turn

00:57:38.009 --> 00:57:41.371
into the worst case scenario.

00:57:41.871 --> 00:57:42.492
Right.

00:57:42.612 --> 00:57:44.632
And that's where the ISO definitions,

00:57:44.672 --> 00:57:45.833
I think, help us a little bit,

00:57:45.873 --> 00:57:47.635
because the fact that there

00:57:47.675 --> 00:57:48.795
is now official ISO

00:57:48.815 --> 00:57:50.376
vocabulary for technical

00:57:50.416 --> 00:57:53.298
terms within distributed ledgers,

00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:55.900
the one for validators,

00:57:57.233 --> 00:57:57.452
you know,

00:57:57.612 --> 00:57:59.135
you can kind of tap the sign

00:57:59.494 --> 00:58:02.077
almost and go like, you know, a node in a,

00:58:02.177 --> 00:58:03.217
I can't remember what it is.

00:58:03.237 --> 00:58:03.958
It's something like a node

00:58:03.998 --> 00:58:04.739
in a distributed.

00:58:04.838 --> 00:58:06.019
It's always a Simpsons reference.

00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:07.081
Yeah.

00:58:07.101 --> 00:58:08.782
It's always, it's always a certain state,

00:58:08.842 --> 00:58:09.003
right?

00:58:09.043 --> 00:58:09.643
Their reference.

00:58:10.244 --> 00:58:12.264
But you tap the sign and you say, no,

00:58:12.865 --> 00:58:13.666
node operator and

00:58:13.706 --> 00:58:14.867
distributed ledger system.

00:58:16.007 --> 00:58:18.931
But as somebody has pointed out in,

00:58:19.190 --> 00:58:19.831
in the chat,

00:58:21.001 --> 00:58:22.722
MEV kind of messes with that, right?

00:58:22.882 --> 00:58:23.583
And this was actually a

00:58:23.722 --> 00:58:25.603
conversation that I had

00:58:27.164 --> 00:58:28.083
before my week off,

00:58:29.684 --> 00:58:32.505
which was a discussion around, well,

00:58:32.545 --> 00:58:33.505
what do nodes do?

00:58:33.525 --> 00:58:35.085
You know, whatever,

00:58:35.766 --> 00:58:36.405
from the point of view of

00:58:36.465 --> 00:58:37.226
designing a proof of

00:58:37.286 --> 00:58:38.166
authority system for a

00:58:38.226 --> 00:58:39.146
project we're working on.

00:58:40.166 --> 00:58:41.088
Where in this case, right,

00:58:41.108 --> 00:58:41.748
I'm using proof of

00:58:41.768 --> 00:58:42.688
authority to just mean

00:58:43.088 --> 00:58:44.509
permissioned blockchain, right?

00:58:44.528 --> 00:58:44.648
Yeah.

00:58:46.389 --> 00:58:48.550
So, and it was like, well, yeah,

00:58:48.570 --> 00:58:50.150
but what did nodes actually do?

00:58:50.210 --> 00:58:51.170
What does a node do?

00:58:51.231 --> 00:58:52.052
What even is it?

00:58:53.733 --> 00:58:55.233
And it was just like, well,

00:58:55.353 --> 00:58:56.373
just ordering transactions

00:58:56.414 --> 00:58:58.335
was the thing that got put my way.

00:58:58.394 --> 00:58:59.735
And I was like, yeah, that's all we do.

00:58:59.795 --> 00:59:01.697
That's all we do is order transactions.

00:59:01.777 --> 00:59:02.777
And then I was like, oh, no,

00:59:02.817 --> 00:59:05.097
but actually we don't order transactions.

00:59:05.197 --> 00:59:06.818
We might literally attack the chain.

00:59:08.579 --> 00:59:09.920
Because MEV is like,

00:59:10.240 --> 00:59:11.181
and it's back to the skip

00:59:11.201 --> 00:59:13.322
thing of like good guy, MEV, bad guy,

00:59:13.523 --> 00:59:13.742
MEV.

00:59:13.782 --> 00:59:14.083
It's all...

00:59:16.782 --> 00:59:18.023
But that sense doesn't matter.

00:59:21.985 --> 00:59:28.128
In the eyes of the SEC,

00:59:28.327 --> 00:59:28.947
ordering transactions

00:59:29.228 --> 00:59:30.108
potentially makes you a

00:59:30.168 --> 00:59:31.349
money-transmitting business

00:59:31.768 --> 00:59:32.909
or even a broker-dealer in

00:59:32.949 --> 00:59:33.690
the SEC's eyes.

00:59:34.271 --> 00:59:36.010
Whether it's good MEV or bad MEV,

00:59:36.172 --> 00:59:38.413
it doesn't matter because

00:59:39.092 --> 00:59:40.072
we are ordering

00:59:40.132 --> 00:59:43.195
transactions based on a rule set.

00:59:44.246 --> 00:59:48.407
And so therefore, are we, we, you guys,

00:59:48.427 --> 00:59:49.427
I don't do this business anymore,

00:59:49.467 --> 00:59:53.228
but you guys, just for, you know,

00:59:53.949 --> 00:59:54.909
does it make you a money

00:59:54.929 --> 00:59:55.650
transmitting business?

00:59:55.710 --> 00:59:57.090
Because even if, even if it's,

00:59:57.250 --> 00:59:58.690
even if it's a positive NAB

00:59:58.731 --> 00:59:59.351
structure where,

01:00:00.090 --> 01:00:00.931
where somebody who's a

01:00:00.992 --> 01:00:02.211
seeker or whatever else is

01:00:02.291 --> 01:00:03.833
paying for that, that placement,

01:00:05.012 --> 01:00:06.653
validators are, are, you're

01:00:08.072 --> 01:00:09.092
taking reward and

01:00:09.132 --> 01:00:10.114
replacement of that so

01:00:10.134 --> 01:00:11.514
therefore you are ordering

01:00:11.554 --> 01:00:12.815
transactions and are so

01:00:12.835 --> 01:00:13.735
therefore are you a money

01:00:13.755 --> 01:00:14.496
transmitting business

01:00:15.958 --> 01:00:17.418
that's crazy I think mev

01:00:17.438 --> 01:00:19.199
makes it I think mev if

01:00:19.219 --> 01:00:20.340
you're running mev software

01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:21.541
as a validator it

01:00:22.001 --> 01:00:23.103
potentially will put you in

01:00:23.123 --> 01:00:24.164
a difficult situation down

01:00:24.184 --> 01:00:25.985
the line hell man because

01:00:26.025 --> 01:00:28.286
brutal well so I was

01:00:28.306 --> 01:00:28.987
thinking about this from a

01:00:29.007 --> 01:00:29.887
different perspective right

01:00:29.907 --> 01:00:30.989
which is in the uk

01:00:31.009 --> 01:00:31.949
generally speaking the

01:00:31.989 --> 01:00:33.990
regulatory threshold is all

01:00:34.030 --> 01:00:36.032
about user harm right and

01:00:37.099 --> 01:00:38.621
MEV is a really good

01:00:38.681 --> 01:00:41.061
mechanism for attacking somebody, right?

01:00:41.121 --> 01:00:42.641
If you know who you want to attack,

01:00:42.681 --> 01:00:43.641
like what the address is,

01:00:43.822 --> 01:00:45.523
and you have a mechanism, right?

01:00:45.543 --> 01:00:46.503
And that mechanism might be

01:00:46.523 --> 01:00:48.123
a smart contract zero day, you know,

01:00:48.184 --> 01:00:48.423
about,

01:00:48.864 --> 01:00:50.543
it might be some kind of flash loan,

01:00:50.565 --> 01:00:52.184
some kind of currency manipulation.

01:00:52.684 --> 01:00:53.606
You see that, you know,

01:00:53.626 --> 01:00:55.346
you could even just like watch, right?

01:00:55.445 --> 01:00:56.545
Like just set up a smart

01:00:56.585 --> 01:00:58.266
contract or watch until

01:00:58.306 --> 01:01:00.487
they do a thing or an Oracle or something,

01:01:00.927 --> 01:01:01.987
and then just attack them

01:01:02.248 --> 01:01:03.849
with a sandwich transaction, right?

01:01:04.900 --> 01:01:06.882
the fact that you could do, uh,

01:01:08.141 --> 01:01:08.961
either an attack that's

01:01:08.981 --> 01:01:10.202
kind of like super targeted

01:01:10.443 --> 01:01:12.262
or like a kind of generic sort of fish,

01:01:12.302 --> 01:01:15.824
uh, not fishing attack, uh, like,

01:01:15.943 --> 01:01:16.704
like just hit them with an

01:01:16.804 --> 01:01:18.045
MEV attack like that.

01:01:18.724 --> 01:01:19.664
You know, when, when, you know,

01:01:19.684 --> 01:01:21.626
they're going to do something like Arbor,

01:01:21.826 --> 01:01:22.565
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:01:22.905 --> 01:01:23.126
Like, um,

01:01:25.206 --> 01:01:27.608
that would result in not

01:01:27.728 --> 01:01:29.168
necessarily a loss of funds

01:01:29.228 --> 01:01:30.447
in the true sense, but they would,

01:01:30.467 --> 01:01:31.148
they would lose money.

01:01:31.168 --> 01:01:32.188
There would be, there would be,

01:01:32.889 --> 01:01:34.889
Demonstrable user harm as a

01:01:34.949 --> 01:01:36.331
result of the transactions

01:01:36.371 --> 01:01:37.431
that were executed against them.

01:01:37.471 --> 01:01:38.610
If it was like a sandwich attack,

01:01:38.650 --> 01:01:39.110
let's say,

01:01:39.931 --> 01:01:42.072
and then the validator that did

01:01:42.112 --> 01:01:43.331
that attack will be

01:01:43.592 --> 01:01:45.092
culpable in user harm.

01:01:45.431 --> 01:01:48.253
And there is a question there about like,

01:01:48.273 --> 01:01:50.413
so I'm kind of like, this is the space.

01:01:50.652 --> 01:01:50.972
This is,

01:01:52.452 --> 01:01:55.914
I think that user has to be alive

01:01:56.014 --> 01:01:56.873
to that risk.

01:01:57.634 --> 01:01:58.434
And actually I don't think

01:01:58.474 --> 01:01:59.534
it's a solvable problem

01:01:59.795 --> 01:02:01.474
even actually by regulation, but I think.

01:02:02.528 --> 01:02:04.130
I don't know that that's the

01:02:04.150 --> 01:02:05.431
view that the regulator will take.

01:02:05.492 --> 01:02:06.092
They might say, no,

01:02:06.773 --> 01:02:07.713
there's a threshold of user

01:02:07.733 --> 01:02:09.735
harm that is hypothetically

01:02:09.956 --> 01:02:11.858
or in reality been crossed here.

01:02:12.458 --> 01:02:13.739
And MEV might be the threshold.

01:02:14.300 --> 01:02:17.143
And so I take, when we had Henry on,

01:02:18.416 --> 01:02:19.918
from penumbra I think

01:02:19.978 --> 01:02:22.920
actually their take on this

01:02:23.179 --> 01:02:24.199
which is that the

01:02:25.460 --> 01:02:26.402
eliminating front running

01:02:26.422 --> 01:02:27.942
and that kind of stuff via

01:02:28.963 --> 01:02:30.623
privacy in a dex is

01:02:30.684 --> 01:02:31.965
actually a very desirable

01:02:32.005 --> 01:02:33.324
feature to avoid a

01:02:34.686 --> 01:02:35.686
regulator and it's

01:02:35.766 --> 01:02:36.407
interesting that a

01:02:36.467 --> 01:02:37.708
regulator might be really

01:02:37.788 --> 01:02:38.867
upset about the privacy

01:02:38.887 --> 01:02:39.588
features when actually the

01:02:39.628 --> 01:02:41.010
privacy features reduce the

01:02:41.050 --> 01:02:42.449
possibility for user harm

01:02:42.891 --> 01:02:43.831
and I think that's a really

01:02:43.871 --> 01:02:44.952
interesting argument I

01:02:44.992 --> 01:02:45.612
don't know what will

01:02:45.652 --> 01:02:46.992
actually end up happening with that but

01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:48.940
Yeah, it's super.

01:02:49.340 --> 01:02:51.141
I think that whole area is super,

01:02:51.181 --> 01:02:52.202
super interesting in terms

01:02:52.222 --> 01:02:53.802
of like what actually,

01:02:55.324 --> 01:02:56.885
what defines an attack or

01:02:56.925 --> 01:02:58.005
even a cyber attack has

01:02:58.065 --> 01:02:59.025
become like very

01:02:59.085 --> 01:03:00.027
intrinsically tied to

01:03:00.146 --> 01:03:01.786
economics of win and lose,

01:03:02.007 --> 01:03:03.869
like game theory economics, basically.

01:03:05.570 --> 01:03:07.690
And it's like, that's certainly,

01:03:07.710 --> 01:03:09.112
I spend quite a bit of my

01:03:09.152 --> 01:03:10.572
time at the moment talking

01:03:10.592 --> 01:03:13.273
across the boundary of like

01:03:13.313 --> 01:03:14.273
protocol and computer

01:03:14.293 --> 01:03:15.255
science and economics.

01:03:16.539 --> 01:03:17.559
loosely game theory I

01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:19.541
suppose um which I'm not

01:03:19.561 --> 01:03:20.402
I'm not qualified to be on

01:03:20.422 --> 01:03:21.503
any of those things really

01:03:21.702 --> 01:03:24.125
but you know it's yeah yeah

01:03:24.505 --> 01:03:25.887
it's interesting like it's

01:03:26.706 --> 01:03:28.268
it's weird to be a part of

01:03:28.349 --> 01:03:30.690
something that is being

01:03:30.710 --> 01:03:32.371
defined like this and where

01:03:32.411 --> 01:03:34.974
that outcome can affect um

01:03:36.496 --> 01:03:37.956
things beyond just monetary

01:03:38.277 --> 01:03:39.458
like it's like that that

01:03:39.498 --> 01:03:40.099
conversation is very

01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:41.340
interesting but I'm living in it

01:03:42.878 --> 01:03:43.978
Like it's nice to be able to,

01:03:44.259 --> 01:03:45.358
I have an academic approach

01:03:45.398 --> 01:03:46.139
to say it and say, oh yeah,

01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:46.880
this is really interesting.

01:03:46.900 --> 01:03:47.940
I wonder how it's going to work out.

01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:49.581
But at the same point, you're like,

01:03:49.601 --> 01:03:51.260
am I going to be, are we going to be,

01:03:51.762 --> 01:03:52.001
you know,

01:03:52.242 --> 01:03:53.981
determined as being a money

01:03:54.021 --> 01:03:54.722
transmitting business,

01:03:54.802 --> 01:03:56.302
which completely changes

01:03:58.344 --> 01:03:59.405
the future of what we're doing.

01:03:59.704 --> 01:03:59.864
Right.

01:04:01.505 --> 01:04:01.985
Which means that,

01:04:02.326 --> 01:04:03.885
and by completely changing means it ends.

01:04:06.666 --> 01:04:06.827
Yeah.

01:04:06.907 --> 01:04:07.867
Well, but I mean, I think,

01:04:09.835 --> 01:04:10.536
I think there's going to be

01:04:10.556 --> 01:04:12.456
two things that happen in our space,

01:04:12.516 --> 01:04:12.677
right?

01:04:12.697 --> 01:04:17.498
Which is that for one reason or another,

01:04:17.538 --> 01:04:18.117
I think we're going to be

01:04:18.177 --> 01:04:19.358
regulated out of existence.

01:04:22.298 --> 01:04:23.539
Independent validators, that is.

01:04:23.619 --> 01:04:24.398
We're going to be regulated

01:04:24.418 --> 01:04:25.099
out of existence.

01:04:26.338 --> 01:04:28.639
And... ISO or no ISO.

01:04:30.739 --> 01:04:31.000
Yeah.

01:04:31.420 --> 01:04:32.201
And the...

01:04:36.177 --> 01:04:38.099
And institutional validators

01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:38.900
will take over, right?

01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:40.882
Because they're a known

01:04:40.942 --> 01:04:43.384
quantity in the space where

01:04:43.403 --> 01:04:44.744
they make a lot of money, like a lot,

01:04:44.764 --> 01:04:45.284
a lot of money.

01:04:46.164 --> 01:04:47.606
It's just your class A

01:04:47.646 --> 01:04:48.987
nepotism will kind of take over.

01:04:49.027 --> 01:04:50.989
There'll be known financial entities.

01:04:52.449 --> 01:04:54.030
Name the ETF providers that

01:04:54.050 --> 01:04:55.231
you use for your pension, right?

01:04:55.612 --> 01:04:56.393
they're going to run

01:04:56.572 --> 01:04:58.393
infrastructure why wouldn't

01:04:58.534 --> 01:04:59.255
we're going to be running

01:04:59.295 --> 01:05:00.376
their teams for them in 10

01:05:00.376 --> 01:05:01.297
years clearly run this

01:05:01.336 --> 01:05:02.157
infrastructure right

01:05:02.177 --> 01:05:03.358
there's no there's nothing

01:05:03.398 --> 01:05:04.018
stopping that from

01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:05.219
happening so why would you

01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:05.820
use a third and they

01:05:05.900 --> 01:05:06.860
already have the ties into

01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:07.862
the regulator and all that

01:05:07.882 --> 01:05:09.362
stuff so that's one angle

01:05:09.483 --> 01:05:10.664
and the other angle is that

01:05:11.063 --> 01:05:12.425
at the moment almost every

01:05:12.445 --> 01:05:13.565
blockchain going is

01:05:13.967 --> 01:05:15.307
ridiculously centralized to

01:05:15.327 --> 01:05:17.568
a foundation and the foundation's

01:05:18.530 --> 01:05:20.771
want to decentralize,

01:05:21.072 --> 01:05:22.913
which in reality is going

01:05:22.952 --> 01:05:24.173
to be to create an ever

01:05:24.233 --> 01:05:25.695
increasing long tail of

01:05:25.795 --> 01:05:27.315
validators on their networks,

01:05:27.376 --> 01:05:28.177
as far as they

01:05:28.237 --> 01:05:29.617
computationally are able to

01:05:29.797 --> 01:05:30.577
within the confines of

01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:31.699
their consensus protocol.

01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:32.900
And, you know,

01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:33.621
there is an effective

01:05:33.661 --> 01:05:34.621
maximum size depending on

01:05:34.641 --> 01:05:35.661
the technology you're using,

01:05:35.981 --> 01:05:37.103
but that will push.

01:05:37.682 --> 01:05:39.224
And we've seen that in the cosmos bear,

01:05:39.264 --> 01:05:39.465
right?

01:05:39.525 --> 01:05:40.364
We'll push a lot of

01:05:40.405 --> 01:05:42.367
validators who are kind of,

01:05:43.652 --> 01:05:43.931
you know,

01:05:44.532 --> 01:05:46.112
mid tier independent validators

01:05:46.333 --> 01:05:47.713
will be pushed below their

01:05:47.753 --> 01:05:51.255
kind of tolerance for risk versus reward.

01:05:51.715 --> 01:05:51.894
Yeah.

01:05:52.655 --> 01:05:54.235
And what you'll see then as

01:05:54.275 --> 01:05:55.615
a reversion to people who

01:05:55.635 --> 01:05:56.516
are prepared to run a lower

01:05:56.577 --> 01:05:57.936
quality hardware, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:57.956 --> 01:05:58.117
You know,

01:05:58.137 --> 01:05:58.916
all the kind of things we talked

01:05:58.936 --> 01:06:00.217
about on the, on the pod before.

01:06:00.237 --> 01:06:00.838
Yeah.

01:06:01.057 --> 01:06:01.918
But, but, you know, I like,

01:06:02.018 --> 01:06:03.059
I think these are kind of

01:06:03.518 --> 01:06:05.480
good things in a way, like the current,

01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:08.641
I know we live in it.

01:06:08.681 --> 01:06:08.860
Right.

01:06:09.161 --> 01:06:11.322
But I think that there's, I don't think,

01:06:11.342 --> 01:06:11.382
um,

01:06:13.635 --> 01:06:15.396
Our business model in its

01:06:15.416 --> 01:06:16.297
current form goes away,

01:06:16.496 --> 01:06:17.938
but I don't think that it's

01:06:17.998 --> 01:06:19.099
the end of the world, right?

01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:25.563
Because the current status

01:06:25.583 --> 01:06:26.262
quo isn't sustainable.

01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:34.101
Is my perception anyway.

01:06:34.181 --> 01:06:39.909
So it feels likely that

01:06:39.969 --> 01:06:41.751
given those two constraints, right,

01:06:41.771 --> 01:06:42.853
where one of the pushes is

01:06:42.893 --> 01:06:43.793
coming from the foundation

01:06:43.833 --> 01:06:44.675
end and the other push is

01:06:44.715 --> 01:06:45.757
coming from the regulator,

01:06:46.217 --> 01:06:46.998
what you'll probably end up

01:06:47.038 --> 01:06:48.701
having is something more

01:06:48.780 --> 01:06:50.262
regulated but more private.

01:06:51.726 --> 01:06:53.728
Um, that's my theory there anyway,

01:06:53.869 --> 01:06:54.748
because that kind of seems

01:06:54.789 --> 01:06:55.730
to be the way that the

01:06:55.789 --> 01:06:59.112
CBDCs are going and where you have CBDCs,

01:06:59.152 --> 01:06:59.893
you will get stuff

01:06:59.932 --> 01:07:01.253
grandfathered in that is

01:07:01.893 --> 01:07:03.034
adjacent and that will be

01:07:03.114 --> 01:07:05.275
like more permissionless, more open,

01:07:05.335 --> 01:07:05.896
more whatever.

01:07:06.925 --> 01:07:08.987
And then on the other extent,

01:07:09.447 --> 01:07:12.771
you'll get real anarcho-crypto-punk stuff,

01:07:13.391 --> 01:07:14.492
like cypherpunk stuff,

01:07:15.072 --> 01:07:16.333
where there isn't a foundation.

01:07:16.373 --> 01:07:17.434
Because you can't attack a

01:07:17.494 --> 01:07:18.715
foundation if it doesn't exist.

01:07:19.257 --> 01:07:20.297
So you'll get much more

01:07:20.338 --> 01:07:21.559
decentralized systems that

01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:23.139
are actually fault-tolerant

01:07:23.579 --> 01:07:24.740
in a way that they're not currently.

01:07:26.081 --> 01:07:26.902
That's my hope, anyway.

01:07:26.922 --> 01:07:28.063
I mean, like anything else,

01:07:28.103 --> 01:07:29.344
it'll probably be a lot

01:07:29.385 --> 01:07:30.987
more raggedy and random than...

01:07:34.579 --> 01:07:35.920
that optimistic version of

01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:36.981
things it will just be like

01:07:37.001 --> 01:07:38.442
lots and lots of bodges I

01:07:38.461 --> 01:07:40.463
suppose so if it's your

01:07:40.483 --> 01:07:41.143
first time listening to

01:07:41.164 --> 01:07:41.983
game of notes I would

01:07:42.445 --> 01:07:44.085
recommend that you uh hit

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subscribe now and listen to

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more of this content we did

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define this with a we are

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all going to jail sticker

01:07:50.628 --> 01:07:52.971
um maybe made over a year

01:07:53.010 --> 01:07:55.092
ago if you two years ago no

01:07:55.853 --> 01:07:56.094
Maybe.

01:07:56.114 --> 01:07:56.594
I don't know.

01:07:57.034 --> 01:07:59.378
Reach out to us either in

01:07:59.418 --> 01:08:01.320
YouTube or from where you

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got this podcast and

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request one of these stickers.

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This is the original NFT.

01:08:07.827 --> 01:08:11.010
And as we were talking about, we are,

01:08:11.451 --> 01:08:12.693
in fact, all going to jail.

01:08:12.753 --> 01:08:13.773
So this is something that is...

01:08:16.443 --> 01:08:17.203
Near and dear to your heart.

01:08:17.703 --> 01:08:17.944
It is.

01:08:18.524 --> 01:08:18.743
It is.

01:08:19.064 --> 01:08:20.684
And if you're going to consensus this year,

01:08:20.703 --> 01:08:23.284
I think maybe three or four.

01:08:23.305 --> 01:08:25.206
Do we have an agreement on

01:08:25.725 --> 01:08:27.806
if all four of us are going?

01:08:27.827 --> 01:08:28.907
What is going on with that?

01:08:28.926 --> 01:08:29.867
Let's move off this topic.

01:08:29.987 --> 01:08:31.507
I was for like a day,

01:08:31.988 --> 01:08:33.127
and then I'm not anymore.

01:08:33.328 --> 01:08:34.109
Because basically,

01:08:34.569 --> 01:08:35.229
the conversation that

01:08:35.248 --> 01:08:36.429
happened was I was like,

01:08:36.889 --> 01:08:39.510
I'm thinking of going to consensus.

01:08:40.289 --> 01:08:41.291
And then I was told...

01:08:42.912 --> 01:08:44.713
I was working.

01:08:45.255 --> 01:08:48.158
I was given a cup of tea and told,

01:08:48.217 --> 01:08:49.479
you know, you should go to consensus.

01:08:49.519 --> 01:08:50.380
I think that's a really good idea.

01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:51.320
You should go to consensus.

01:08:51.360 --> 01:08:51.702
Don't worry.

01:08:51.742 --> 01:08:52.703
Things will be fine here for a week.

01:08:52.722 --> 01:08:54.505
I was like, great, great idea.

01:08:55.225 --> 01:08:56.407
Started looking up, you know,

01:08:56.587 --> 01:08:57.568
flights and logistics and

01:08:57.608 --> 01:08:58.167
stuff like that.

01:08:58.942 --> 01:09:01.323
And then like the morning after, you know,

01:09:01.363 --> 01:09:02.563
having a cup of tea and stuff,

01:09:02.962 --> 01:09:03.682
everything here obviously

01:09:03.703 --> 01:09:04.524
just revolves around when

01:09:04.543 --> 01:09:05.543
you're having tea with your partner,

01:09:05.604 --> 01:09:05.743
right?

01:09:06.344 --> 01:09:07.104
Having a cup of tea.

01:09:07.363 --> 01:09:08.125
And I just get the question, oh,

01:09:08.824 --> 01:09:13.105
by the way, you have got, you know,

01:09:13.845 --> 01:09:16.966
my sister's wedding in your diary, right?

01:09:18.047 --> 01:09:19.387
And I'm like, mm-hmm.

01:09:20.689 --> 01:09:22.350
sure but during that week

01:09:23.090 --> 01:09:23.930
just for the sake of

01:09:24.030 --> 01:09:25.351
argument let's just say

01:09:25.412 --> 01:09:27.212
that my my phone's upstairs

01:09:27.712 --> 01:09:28.753
what remind me of the day

01:09:28.793 --> 01:09:30.595
again it's like may 30th

01:09:32.735 --> 01:09:34.317
what oh wait what day is

01:09:34.356 --> 01:09:35.938
that that's not oh really

01:09:36.518 --> 01:09:38.378
yeah it's not like a monday

01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:40.680
or something or would it be 31st then hmm

01:09:45.179 --> 01:09:45.359
All right,

01:09:45.378 --> 01:09:46.159
I'm going to talk you into this.

01:09:46.659 --> 01:09:47.340
It's something like that.

01:09:47.501 --> 01:09:50.122
Anyway, so I was just like, well, okay.

01:09:50.202 --> 01:09:51.884
Oh, Saturday the 1st, June 1st is a,

01:09:52.184 --> 01:09:53.184
that's Saturday.

01:09:53.203 --> 01:09:53.604
It might be it.

01:09:54.045 --> 01:09:54.704
Or the Friday the 31st.

01:09:54.725 --> 01:09:55.626
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:55.645 --> 01:09:56.506
It must be the 1st then.

01:09:56.546 --> 01:09:56.846
Yeah, yeah.

01:09:57.287 --> 01:09:59.809
And then I was like, but what if,

01:10:00.689 --> 01:10:02.149
what if I got a red eye

01:10:02.229 --> 01:10:04.412
flight on the 31st?

01:10:04.511 --> 01:10:06.372
What if I showed up smelling

01:10:06.393 --> 01:10:08.314
like liquor and marijuana

01:10:08.335 --> 01:10:11.756
from the airport to the wedding?

01:10:12.779 --> 01:10:14.400
And I got told in no

01:10:14.440 --> 01:10:16.863
uncertain terms that I

01:10:16.944 --> 01:10:19.908
would be back home to help

01:10:20.167 --> 01:10:21.310
take a baby across the

01:10:21.350 --> 01:10:23.573
country on the 30th.

01:10:23.693 --> 01:10:24.753
Oh, it's not near you.

01:10:24.774 --> 01:10:25.875
You have to travel to get to

01:10:25.895 --> 01:10:27.436
the other side of the country.

01:10:27.497 --> 01:10:27.818
Yeah, yeah.

01:10:28.177 --> 01:10:29.960
so I got told in no

01:10:29.979 --> 01:10:31.520
uncertain terms that it it

01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:32.942
would in fact constitute

01:10:33.122 --> 01:10:34.283
unreasonable it did not

01:10:34.342 --> 01:10:35.543
constitute unreasonable in

01:10:35.604 --> 01:10:36.945
any way to go to consensus

01:10:36.966 --> 01:10:37.886
but it would constitute

01:10:37.966 --> 01:10:39.547
unreasonableness to not

01:10:39.587 --> 01:10:41.430
help out with uh taking the

01:10:41.470 --> 01:10:42.550
toddler across the country

01:10:43.430 --> 01:10:46.333
which is it's that would be

01:10:46.373 --> 01:10:47.435
me pushing my luck a little

01:10:47.475 --> 01:10:49.756
bit so yeah it was a shame

01:10:49.777 --> 01:10:50.237
because you know when

01:10:50.256 --> 01:10:51.078
you've you know when you're

01:10:51.118 --> 01:10:51.898
like not sure about whether

01:10:51.918 --> 01:10:52.498
you're going to do a thing

01:10:52.559 --> 01:10:53.199
and you're like um

01:10:54.229 --> 01:10:55.630
And you finally, and then you like, no,

01:10:55.649 --> 01:10:56.170
we're going to do it.

01:10:56.189 --> 01:10:57.409
And then you gear yourself up for it.

01:10:57.430 --> 01:10:58.371
I had like this 24 hour

01:10:58.411 --> 01:10:59.150
period where I was like

01:10:59.190 --> 01:10:59.951
looking up shit to do it.

01:11:00.011 --> 01:11:01.152
Yeah, let's go.

01:11:01.171 --> 01:11:02.472
I was like, let's go.

01:11:02.493 --> 01:11:03.153
I'm going to make,

01:11:03.172 --> 01:11:04.052
I'm going to make a week of it.

01:11:04.073 --> 01:11:05.474
I've got, I've got a free pass.

01:11:05.514 --> 01:11:06.673
I've been told go for a week.

01:11:06.713 --> 01:11:08.215
There's no point pissing

01:11:08.234 --> 01:11:09.536
away all of that carbon

01:11:09.636 --> 01:11:12.176
flying and all that hassling.

01:11:12.216 --> 01:11:12.917
Go for a full week.

01:11:13.476 --> 01:11:15.057
I'm like, okay, yeah, let's make,

01:11:15.358 --> 01:11:15.957
make the most of it.

01:11:15.997 --> 01:11:17.158
Let's think about who we can

01:11:17.179 --> 01:11:17.878
meet while we're there.

01:11:17.899 --> 01:11:19.140
You know, let's get some business in.

01:11:20.265 --> 01:11:21.206
see now if you would have

01:11:21.265 --> 01:11:22.886
made this what you should

01:11:22.926 --> 01:11:23.747
have learned here is if you

01:11:23.766 --> 01:11:24.226
would have made that

01:11:24.266 --> 01:11:25.488
decision earlier you would

01:11:25.507 --> 01:11:26.568
have had flights booked and

01:11:26.587 --> 01:11:28.009
all this expectation set

01:11:28.029 --> 01:11:29.689
and you would have gone oh

01:11:29.710 --> 01:11:30.449
I'm gonna have to miss it

01:11:31.470 --> 01:11:33.231
oh shit you may not realize

01:11:33.252 --> 01:11:35.332
that oh my god I was in

01:11:35.353 --> 01:11:38.173
first oh oh this is in this

01:11:38.194 --> 01:11:39.595
whole book oh yeah uh um

01:11:44.033 --> 01:11:44.793
Anyway, okay.

01:11:44.814 --> 01:11:45.774
That's good to know because

01:11:45.814 --> 01:11:47.095
I got to book a house.

01:11:47.136 --> 01:11:48.737
So that helps me in the

01:11:49.557 --> 01:11:50.618
logistical side of the house.

01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:52.140
Yeah, it's brutal.

01:11:52.539 --> 01:11:53.820
And then I was like, oh, it's okay.

01:11:53.841 --> 01:11:54.542
I'll console myself.

01:11:54.582 --> 01:11:56.162
I'll go to Paris Blockchain

01:11:56.203 --> 01:11:58.225
Week because that would be good.

01:11:58.864 --> 01:12:00.025
And then it was like, oh,

01:12:00.305 --> 01:12:01.207
you do know that I'm away

01:12:01.226 --> 01:12:02.387
from work for four days.

01:12:02.408 --> 01:12:03.149
Okay, which days?

01:12:03.168 --> 01:12:04.710
It's like the days of Paris

01:12:04.750 --> 01:12:05.551
Blockchain Week.

01:12:06.190 --> 01:12:08.132
And I was like, can I take a 40?

01:12:08.932 --> 01:12:10.033
Because to be fair,

01:12:10.054 --> 01:12:11.636
the wee one doesn't need mum anymore.

01:12:12.974 --> 01:12:13.914
every day or whatever.

01:12:14.295 --> 01:12:17.537
Yeah, sure.

01:12:17.938 --> 01:12:20.420
We have technology to keep a

01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:21.360
14-month-old alive, right?

01:12:22.141 --> 01:12:23.802
Well, I mean, someone has to be there.

01:12:23.823 --> 01:12:24.304
You can't just...

01:12:25.461 --> 01:12:26.702
Oh, yeah, I need to be there.

01:12:26.981 --> 01:12:28.641
But I was like, OK, well,

01:12:28.761 --> 01:12:30.323
what if we were to go to

01:12:30.382 --> 01:12:31.904
Paris Blockchain Week together?

01:12:31.923 --> 01:12:33.003
As a family.

01:12:33.904 --> 01:12:36.024
As a family, me and my wee one.

01:12:36.506 --> 01:12:39.506
And I looked into the logistics.

01:12:39.907 --> 01:12:40.806
Oh, just you two?

01:12:41.148 --> 01:12:41.568
Yeah, yeah.

01:12:41.688 --> 01:12:44.368
I was like, yeah, I was like, I was like,

01:12:44.389 --> 01:12:44.929
he doesn't care.

01:12:44.969 --> 01:12:47.550
Like, he's so chilled out around people.

01:12:47.609 --> 01:12:48.791
He just likes seeing things.

01:12:48.871 --> 01:12:50.572
It's like, whoa, whoa.

01:12:50.671 --> 01:12:51.731
And I was like, actually, you know what?

01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:54.280
But the thing is, I was like, ah,

01:12:54.360 --> 01:12:57.122
the thing is, like, an exhibition floor,

01:12:57.182 --> 01:12:59.144
stuff like that, he'd find fascinating.

01:12:59.163 --> 01:12:59.864
He'd love it.

01:12:59.965 --> 01:13:01.105
He'd be like, whoa.

01:13:01.225 --> 01:13:01.945
But I was like, yeah,

01:13:01.985 --> 01:13:02.966
the stuff you actually need

01:13:02.987 --> 01:13:04.127
to do at a conference is

01:13:04.148 --> 01:13:06.509
you need to meet people, go for drinks,

01:13:06.548 --> 01:13:07.770
go for dinner, go to events.

01:13:08.251 --> 01:13:09.411
Those are all after bedtime,

01:13:09.471 --> 01:13:11.212
and I've got to be around.

01:13:12.073 --> 01:13:12.333
Yeah,

01:13:12.413 --> 01:13:13.413
I think it would be really difficult.

01:13:13.994 --> 01:13:15.074
Yeah, it would be impossible, basically.

01:13:15.095 --> 01:13:15.836
So I was like, I don't know.

01:13:16.036 --> 01:13:16.896
I fucked this all up.

01:13:17.296 --> 01:13:18.818
This spring, I've cocked it up.

01:13:18.837 --> 01:13:21.020
I need to take this lesson.

01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:22.600
Next year, be back on it.

01:13:23.376 --> 01:13:23.536
Yeah.

01:13:23.956 --> 01:13:24.155
I mean,

01:13:24.176 --> 01:13:25.497
the lesson here is never have children.

01:13:27.457 --> 01:13:28.398
I'm not sure that's the lesson.

01:13:28.618 --> 01:13:34.279
But I think the lesson... Yeah.

01:13:35.539 --> 01:13:36.159
Let me rephrase.

01:13:37.500 --> 01:13:38.400
When having children,

01:13:41.082 --> 01:13:41.981
priorities change and there

01:13:42.002 --> 01:13:42.862
are many things that you

01:13:42.881 --> 01:13:43.702
want to do you cannot do.

01:13:44.682 --> 01:13:46.582
But it doesn't mean it's not

01:13:46.622 --> 01:13:47.524
a positive thing.

01:13:47.564 --> 01:13:49.203
I'm just saying that

01:13:49.243 --> 01:13:51.125
compromises have to be made.

01:13:51.324 --> 01:13:51.645
That's all.

01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:53.881
I would say like, it's taken,

01:13:53.902 --> 01:13:55.462
it's taken up to this point.

01:13:55.502 --> 01:13:56.632
So like 14,

01:13:56.632 --> 01:13:59.744
15 months to start to find a

01:13:59.925 --> 01:14:02.046
good compromise balance

01:14:02.166 --> 01:14:04.247
between the needs of what

01:14:04.306 --> 01:14:07.007
is a completely new find family dynamic.

01:14:07.648 --> 01:14:07.828
Yeah.

01:14:08.109 --> 01:14:10.329
Um, and work like it,

01:14:11.210 --> 01:14:12.310
because you kind of like expect,

01:14:12.331 --> 01:14:13.310
and this was at least like

01:14:13.371 --> 01:14:14.351
naively what I expected.

01:14:14.391 --> 01:14:14.511
Right.

01:14:14.532 --> 01:14:15.511
I expected it to be super

01:14:15.551 --> 01:14:17.552
like big change day one, which it is.

01:14:18.113 --> 01:14:20.875
And then when you go back to work.

01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:24.001
like you would be like okay

01:14:24.320 --> 01:14:25.162
here's I have to figure out

01:14:25.181 --> 01:14:26.002
a routine like straight

01:14:26.021 --> 01:14:27.283
away and then and then

01:14:27.304 --> 01:14:28.083
there'll be some slow

01:14:28.144 --> 01:14:29.284
changes on a bunch of other

01:14:29.345 --> 01:14:30.546
things but that basically

01:14:30.587 --> 01:14:31.266
as soon as you're back to

01:14:31.306 --> 01:14:33.529
work that's the biggest

01:14:33.588 --> 01:14:35.430
changes out of the way and

01:14:35.451 --> 01:14:37.313
that 100 has not been what

01:14:37.733 --> 01:14:38.793
happened it's actually much

01:14:39.213 --> 01:14:40.055
because the thing I didn't

01:14:40.234 --> 01:14:41.235
the thing I didn't bank on

01:14:42.037 --> 01:14:43.177
was that your attitude

01:14:43.257 --> 01:14:44.658
changes as well so like you

01:14:44.698 --> 01:14:45.819
mechanically go back to

01:14:45.859 --> 01:14:46.560
work after 10 days

01:14:47.711 --> 01:14:48.971
But you have like so much

01:14:49.032 --> 01:14:50.993
less energy to like the way

01:14:51.012 --> 01:14:52.734
you prioritize needs to change.

01:14:53.454 --> 01:14:54.895
And it's taken me like over

01:14:54.916 --> 01:14:58.097
a year to like now this

01:14:58.217 --> 01:14:59.359
last month or so when I've

01:14:59.378 --> 01:15:00.779
been writing a thesis paper

01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:01.840
and trying to do some new

01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:03.180
business stuff and trying

01:15:03.201 --> 01:15:04.181
to keep up with some of our

01:15:04.221 --> 01:15:05.042
existing contracts.

01:15:05.381 --> 01:15:06.082
It's been the first time

01:15:06.103 --> 01:15:07.163
where like I've got to the

01:15:07.184 --> 01:15:08.123
end of my week and I've got

01:15:08.163 --> 01:15:09.324
like my to do list and

01:15:09.404 --> 01:15:10.905
stuff is like what I would

01:15:10.926 --> 01:15:11.846
say is like a reasonable

01:15:11.886 --> 01:15:13.167
amount of stuff has been crossed off.

01:15:14.701 --> 01:15:15.761
And I've been like, fucking hell,

01:15:15.782 --> 01:15:17.703
it's taken a year to get to

01:15:17.722 --> 01:15:19.144
the point where the end of my list,

01:15:19.484 --> 01:15:20.085
the end of the week,

01:15:20.145 --> 01:15:21.206
isn't just like a pile of

01:15:21.286 --> 01:15:22.207
random shit where I've like,

01:15:23.266 --> 01:15:24.507
just prioritize everything wrong.

01:15:24.547 --> 01:15:24.809
You know?

01:15:25.769 --> 01:15:26.729
Um, have you ever seen,

01:15:26.750 --> 01:15:28.150
have you guys ever seen a

01:15:28.211 --> 01:15:28.992
lost in translation?

01:15:30.533 --> 01:15:30.733
Yeah.

01:15:30.752 --> 01:15:31.132
Great film.

01:15:32.394 --> 01:15:32.554
No.

01:15:33.555 --> 01:15:33.835
She'll see.

01:15:33.994 --> 01:15:34.155
Yeah.

01:15:34.515 --> 01:15:34.796
Yeah.

01:15:34.815 --> 01:15:35.777
Do you remember that?

01:15:35.796 --> 01:15:36.837
Remember that quote from Bill Murray?

01:15:37.358 --> 01:15:39.500
Um, when he says about kids and I think,

01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:39.880
uh,

01:15:40.890 --> 01:15:42.971
Scarlett asked them about, you know,

01:15:43.671 --> 01:15:44.891
because I don't know if she's pregnant.

01:15:44.912 --> 01:15:45.432
I don't remember if she's

01:15:45.453 --> 01:15:45.893
pregnant in the movie.

01:15:45.912 --> 01:15:46.613
I don't think about that.

01:15:46.632 --> 01:15:48.293
But I just had to look up

01:15:48.314 --> 01:15:49.014
the quote because I always

01:15:49.054 --> 01:15:49.793
remember that quote.

01:15:50.154 --> 01:15:51.475
And people always, you know,

01:15:51.534 --> 01:15:54.836
people are having kids who

01:15:54.876 --> 01:15:56.056
are entering into this and

01:15:56.077 --> 01:15:57.716
like just kind of going

01:15:57.756 --> 01:15:59.417
into that into that phase of their life.

01:16:00.257 --> 01:16:02.118
And I think Murray says, your life,

01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:04.819
as you know, it is gone, never to return.

01:16:05.645 --> 01:16:06.386
which is totally true,

01:16:06.546 --> 01:16:08.106
but your life just changes like what,

01:16:08.146 --> 01:16:09.007
like your priorities and

01:16:09.047 --> 01:16:10.849
like just what time you have and like the,

01:16:11.128 --> 01:16:14.591
like how you manage, not manage.

01:16:14.650 --> 01:16:15.671
It's a shitty way of thinking about,

01:16:15.711 --> 01:16:16.952
but how you think about time and,

01:16:18.117 --> 01:16:18.676
those types of things.

01:16:18.697 --> 01:16:19.318
And he continues,

01:16:19.658 --> 01:16:20.518
but they learn how to walk.

01:16:20.597 --> 01:16:22.038
They learn how to talk and

01:16:22.059 --> 01:16:22.878
you want to be with them.

01:16:22.939 --> 01:16:23.600
And they turn out to be the

01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:24.439
most delightful people

01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:25.400
you've ever meet in your life,

01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:27.121
which is totally such a

01:16:27.201 --> 01:16:28.962
great line in a movie.

01:16:29.002 --> 01:16:29.762
It's totally true.

01:16:29.983 --> 01:16:31.663
Like it does like,

01:16:31.963 --> 01:16:32.923
like what you think your

01:16:32.963 --> 01:16:34.564
life is and where you're headed.

01:16:34.585 --> 01:16:36.786
And after these things come into your life,

01:16:36.865 --> 01:16:37.987
it's totally different.

01:16:38.247 --> 01:16:39.087
Your life is gone.

01:16:39.167 --> 01:16:40.368
Like your priorities are gone.

01:16:41.268 --> 01:16:42.849
Your aspirations are gone.

01:16:42.969 --> 01:16:44.550
How you manage your time is gone.

01:16:45.671 --> 01:16:46.373
Your relationship with your

01:16:46.413 --> 01:16:47.274
partner is gone.

01:16:47.296 --> 01:16:49.779
All those things are completely changed.

01:16:50.301 --> 01:16:50.681
And they are.

01:16:50.721 --> 01:16:51.524
They're totally different.

01:16:52.125 --> 01:16:53.927
And then they learn how to

01:16:53.967 --> 01:16:54.869
walk and they learn how to talk,

01:16:54.909 --> 01:16:55.952
which is true because early

01:16:56.011 --> 01:16:56.753
on it's fucking brutal.

01:16:57.328 --> 01:16:59.689
But after they learn how to

01:17:00.250 --> 01:17:01.770
manage themselves, like our kids are,

01:17:01.850 --> 01:17:03.610
you know, over 10.

01:17:03.610 --> 01:17:05.051
But they can be on their own

01:17:05.072 --> 01:17:06.332
and they can have their own

01:17:06.372 --> 01:17:09.012
lives and they can learn how to, you know,

01:17:09.372 --> 01:17:10.394
go through these processes.

01:17:10.474 --> 01:17:13.975
And middle school is a fucking crazy time,

01:17:13.994 --> 01:17:14.454
but whatever.

01:17:14.854 --> 01:17:16.555
But then they start to, you know,

01:17:18.615 --> 01:17:19.697
something that turned into...

01:17:20.788 --> 01:17:21.748
um, a, a,

01:17:22.010 --> 01:17:23.210
something that you were required

01:17:23.250 --> 01:17:24.511
to do to turn into a, um,

01:17:24.650 --> 01:17:26.030
there's another task, right?

01:17:26.792 --> 01:17:28.893
It has to be fed kiss to take a shit kiss.

01:17:29.252 --> 01:17:31.094
Like, like it just turns into more work.

01:17:31.634 --> 01:17:32.654
Um, what they are,

01:17:32.673 --> 01:17:33.654
they're maintenance item, right?

01:17:33.675 --> 01:17:34.194
And it's like a,

01:17:34.814 --> 01:17:36.796
like a lawn that grows four

01:17:36.836 --> 01:17:37.536
inches every hour.

01:17:37.555 --> 01:17:40.197
It's like that type of thing.

01:17:40.277 --> 01:17:41.578
Like, it's just like, it's those things.

01:17:41.618 --> 01:17:43.158
Like, it's like a,

01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:44.878
I was trying to explain the

01:17:44.918 --> 01:17:45.939
worst type of pager duty.

01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:46.039
Yeah.

01:17:46.689 --> 01:17:46.970
Yeah,

01:17:47.010 --> 01:17:47.970
I was trying to explain this to a

01:17:47.990 --> 01:17:48.530
friend of mine.

01:17:48.551 --> 01:17:51.153
And I was like, I was like, in what you do,

01:17:51.172 --> 01:17:52.073
do you have any equivalent

01:17:52.092 --> 01:17:53.533
like pager duty or something like that?

01:17:53.573 --> 01:17:58.296
And they were like, yeah, I was like,

01:17:58.337 --> 01:18:00.518
it's kind of like you have

01:18:00.537 --> 01:18:02.038
eight slots in your day, right?

01:18:02.399 --> 01:18:03.359
And you start the day and

01:18:03.500 --> 01:18:04.500
five of them are filled.

01:18:05.280 --> 01:18:06.261
And yet you have to go to

01:18:06.341 --> 01:18:08.922
work for eight hours and do

01:18:09.023 --> 01:18:11.484
five things in the remaining three slots.

01:18:11.604 --> 01:18:12.404
And then you get to the end

01:18:12.425 --> 01:18:13.185
of the day and you're

01:18:13.345 --> 01:18:15.346
really frustrated every day.

01:18:16.382 --> 01:18:17.243
it didn't go as well as you

01:18:17.283 --> 01:18:18.024
thought because you were

01:18:18.045 --> 01:18:19.286
too tired and too busy and

01:18:19.326 --> 01:18:20.266
your mind was elsewhere and

01:18:20.287 --> 01:18:20.966
you were thinking about

01:18:20.987 --> 01:18:22.569
whether you had done xyz or

01:18:22.609 --> 01:18:24.690
whatever um hey have you

01:18:24.730 --> 01:18:26.032
ever seen that um there's a

01:18:26.051 --> 01:18:27.113
really good scott hanselman

01:18:27.153 --> 01:18:28.394
talk which is about um

01:18:29.515 --> 01:18:30.034
effectively like

01:18:30.074 --> 01:18:32.537
prioritization and um

01:18:32.658 --> 01:18:33.557
decision making stuff like

01:18:33.578 --> 01:18:34.639
that it's for software

01:18:34.679 --> 01:18:35.640
engineers primarily but it

01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:37.301
works for in fact it's not

01:18:37.362 --> 01:18:38.443
even just for technologists

01:18:38.502 --> 01:18:39.783
like it's a very very general um

01:18:41.372 --> 01:18:42.693
talk to the point that I've

01:18:42.752 --> 01:18:43.333
given it to people who

01:18:43.354 --> 01:18:43.993
don't even work in the

01:18:44.033 --> 01:18:46.216
sector and they found it somewhat useful.

01:18:48.657 --> 01:18:53.541
And it's called scaling yourself, I think.

01:18:54.942 --> 01:18:56.262
But he has a similar thing, right?

01:18:56.283 --> 01:18:58.104
Where he says like, he says like, oh,

01:18:58.123 --> 01:18:58.323
you know,

01:18:58.384 --> 01:19:00.805
I used to think he was like the

01:19:00.845 --> 01:19:02.167
best that if you are unsure

01:19:02.186 --> 01:19:03.467
about how you prioritize in your life,

01:19:03.988 --> 01:19:04.828
I can recommend that you

01:19:04.868 --> 01:19:05.890
have children because if

01:19:05.930 --> 01:19:07.371
your prioritization is bad now,

01:19:08.796 --> 01:19:10.636
you are going to die when

01:19:10.658 --> 01:19:11.757
you have kids he was like

01:19:12.018 --> 01:19:15.158
the uh he was like I used

01:19:15.198 --> 01:19:16.238
to I used to be like oh

01:19:16.259 --> 01:19:17.038
yeah you know I'll go to a

01:19:17.059 --> 01:19:18.078
conference and do this that

01:19:18.099 --> 01:19:19.800
and the other and then now

01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:23.280
I'm just like no I have 52

01:19:23.280 --> 01:19:24.501
weekends a year to spend

01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:27.101
with my four-year-old and

01:19:27.162 --> 01:19:28.221
I'm going to spend as many

01:19:28.242 --> 01:19:29.761
of them as I can and that

01:19:29.822 --> 01:19:31.162
is my priority that's what

01:19:31.203 --> 01:19:31.922
it solved for me

01:19:34.011 --> 01:19:34.490
It is like,

01:19:34.690 --> 01:19:35.992
it is like whatever your number

01:19:36.091 --> 01:19:37.832
one used to be, it's now occupied.

01:19:37.953 --> 01:19:38.912
Think about what your number

01:19:38.932 --> 01:19:39.972
two and three should be.

01:19:41.094 --> 01:19:41.274
Yeah.

01:19:41.673 --> 01:19:42.675
And I was like, yeah, that's,

01:19:42.835 --> 01:19:43.715
I think that's actually the most,

01:19:43.734 --> 01:19:44.494
one of the most accurate

01:19:44.534 --> 01:19:45.996
ways I've had to describe, but it takes,

01:19:46.015 --> 01:19:46.615
I don't know.

01:19:46.636 --> 01:19:47.657
It takes a while to, um,

01:19:50.518 --> 01:19:51.238
work out what the other

01:19:51.257 --> 01:19:52.759
things are in your, in your kind of,

01:19:52.838 --> 01:19:53.878
in your head space, I suppose.

01:19:53.979 --> 01:19:56.199
And like with, with this, I think like,

01:19:56.460 --> 01:19:57.720
you know, like null, uh,

01:19:57.761 --> 01:19:59.582
was giving me some tough love, uh,

01:19:59.681 --> 01:20:01.542
before I went away like two weeks ago.

01:20:01.561 --> 01:20:01.601
Um,

01:20:03.658 --> 01:20:07.180
about like you know what's

01:20:07.201 --> 01:20:09.881
that as he does yeah yeah

01:20:10.143 --> 01:20:12.925
but at one point yeah it's

01:20:12.965 --> 01:20:13.925
good well I mean I think

01:20:13.965 --> 01:20:14.746
like I was describing

01:20:14.805 --> 01:20:15.867
earlier like I'm not like

01:20:15.926 --> 01:20:17.467
super what's it called um

01:20:18.068 --> 01:20:20.449
not super bullish on where

01:20:20.489 --> 01:20:21.951
this industry is going for

01:20:22.091 --> 01:20:23.271
independent validator teams

01:20:23.612 --> 01:20:24.972
like ours I mean but I

01:20:25.033 --> 01:20:27.354
think that we all have um

01:20:28.432 --> 01:20:30.354
If, if that one, I think it was your, your,

01:20:30.634 --> 01:20:33.014
maybe your business partner said actually,

01:20:33.033 --> 01:20:35.975
uh, SERP, which was like, you know, well,

01:20:35.994 --> 01:20:38.315
you know, if you, if you, you know,

01:20:38.416 --> 01:20:39.615
anything that you learn yourself,

01:20:39.655 --> 01:20:40.895
you take with you to every

01:20:41.515 --> 01:20:44.457
venture that you do, you know, whatever.

01:20:44.476 --> 01:20:48.137
I think, I think like the,

01:20:48.457 --> 01:20:50.859
the thing with what

01:20:50.918 --> 01:20:53.300
validators do is that this

01:20:53.380 --> 01:20:54.840
is all going like.

01:20:56.710 --> 01:20:57.871
even if the industry changes,

01:20:57.930 --> 01:21:00.731
there will be a lot of use

01:21:00.811 --> 01:21:02.051
for the skills and the,

01:21:02.252 --> 01:21:03.033
and everything that's,

01:21:03.052 --> 01:21:04.353
that's kind of come out of this, this,

01:21:04.393 --> 01:21:05.054
this process.

01:21:05.073 --> 01:21:06.113
So like a big part of what

01:21:06.134 --> 01:21:07.675
I've been thinking about recently is like,

01:21:09.716 --> 01:21:10.876
what are the most useful

01:21:10.916 --> 01:21:11.837
things we've learned?

01:21:12.037 --> 01:21:12.277
Right.

01:21:12.337 --> 01:21:13.556
You know, from the last three years,

01:21:14.016 --> 01:21:15.398
that's, and that's like,

01:21:15.578 --> 01:21:17.219
it's crazy to reflect on

01:21:17.259 --> 01:21:21.320
where we were like, um, you know, when,

01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:22.261
when like the first

01:21:22.280 --> 01:21:24.101
stargaze test nets were and stuff like,

01:21:27.060 --> 01:21:28.320
like how much has happened

01:21:28.341 --> 01:21:31.243
since then in terms of, um, you know,

01:21:31.283 --> 01:21:32.024
business and like,

01:21:32.323 --> 01:21:33.925
and like learning of this space and,

01:21:34.064 --> 01:21:34.746
and blah, blah, blah.

01:21:34.905 --> 01:21:38.088
Like it's genuinely quite exhausting.

01:21:38.229 --> 01:21:39.710
As soon as you start going like, whoa,

01:21:40.189 --> 01:21:41.150
why do I feel like, you know,

01:21:41.171 --> 01:21:42.131
having taken some time off

01:21:42.192 --> 01:21:43.773
and stuff and kind of knock

01:21:43.792 --> 01:21:44.673
some of the burnout in the head,

01:21:44.694 --> 01:21:45.154
you go like, well,

01:21:45.173 --> 01:21:46.734
why was I burned out in the first place?

01:21:46.774 --> 01:21:47.095
And you go,

01:21:48.917 --> 01:21:49.818
let's make a list of all the

01:21:49.858 --> 01:21:50.597
things that we've learned

01:21:50.637 --> 01:21:52.179
or dealt with over the last three years.

01:21:53.780 --> 01:21:56.722
Um, yeah, it's a big list.

01:21:57.534 --> 01:21:58.876
Speaking of Stargaze,

01:21:58.975 --> 01:21:59.957
should we talk about sloths?

01:21:59.976 --> 01:22:01.597
We should probably talk about sloths.

01:22:01.958 --> 01:22:02.878
We should, right?

01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:04.039
Because that actually,

01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:06.061
I think just recently, was it today?

01:22:06.082 --> 01:22:07.863
So I missed this as well,

01:22:08.243 --> 01:22:09.704
as I always do with these

01:22:09.765 --> 01:22:11.166
memes and whatever.

01:22:11.485 --> 01:22:12.046
I did too.

01:22:12.186 --> 01:22:15.789
I actually did some work to wrap... Noel,

01:22:15.810 --> 01:22:16.329
are you in this?

01:22:16.751 --> 01:22:17.952
Do you have any sloths?

01:22:19.273 --> 01:22:20.332
I do not have any sloths.

01:22:22.194 --> 01:22:22.635
I don't either.

01:22:23.095 --> 01:22:24.657
Damn.

01:22:24.716 --> 01:22:25.317
No sloths in this...

01:22:27.422 --> 01:22:28.083
I didn't realize.

01:22:28.104 --> 01:22:30.805
Are you a sloth guy?

01:22:30.824 --> 01:22:31.445
You've got sloths?

01:22:31.845 --> 01:22:32.587
No, I have no sloth.

01:22:33.948 --> 01:22:34.087
Oh.

01:22:34.448 --> 01:22:34.887
Frey, no sloth.

01:22:34.908 --> 01:22:36.088
I don't play on Stargaze,

01:22:36.128 --> 01:22:37.390
so I don't have stars to burn.

01:22:38.810 --> 01:22:41.972
Is it... I thought they were

01:22:42.673 --> 01:22:43.493
a different network.

01:22:44.274 --> 01:22:45.775
No, it's not.

01:22:45.935 --> 01:22:46.896
Actually, I thought it was Tia.

01:22:48.347 --> 01:22:50.469
It's something related to Celestia,

01:22:50.509 --> 01:22:51.229
but I don't know exactly

01:22:51.248 --> 01:22:51.849
where it came from.

01:22:52.849 --> 01:22:53.670
It's on Stargaze,

01:22:53.689 --> 01:22:56.411
but something originated on Tia, I think.

01:22:56.751 --> 01:22:57.530
Maybe the community did.

01:23:00.471 --> 01:23:02.072
Okay, I didn't know that part.

01:23:02.912 --> 01:23:05.792
So yeah, it actually flipped Bad Kids,

01:23:06.474 --> 01:23:07.194
I think today.

01:23:07.213 --> 01:23:09.113
I'm pretty sure it was today.

01:23:09.635 --> 01:23:10.515
Hey, was that possible?

01:23:11.618 --> 01:23:12.537
That's what I thought.

01:23:12.618 --> 01:23:12.819
Actually,

01:23:12.838 --> 01:23:13.658
it might have just changed what

01:23:13.698 --> 01:23:14.439
we were talking about.

01:23:14.458 --> 01:23:20.002
But the floor price of Sloss

01:23:20.681 --> 01:23:21.462
when we started this

01:23:21.542 --> 01:23:23.984
episode was like 160,000 stars,

01:23:25.043 --> 01:23:28.126
which is something like, I don't know,

01:23:28.246 --> 01:23:29.065
four or five grand or

01:23:29.086 --> 01:23:29.645
something like that.

01:23:30.867 --> 01:23:32.488
But it did flip bad kids today.

01:23:32.507 --> 01:23:33.908
I'm not sure if it still is.

01:23:36.354 --> 01:23:40.978
It is Celestine Sloth Society,

01:23:40.978 --> 01:23:43.039
148,000 stars.

01:23:44.301 --> 01:23:44.582
Yeah,

01:23:44.822 --> 01:23:45.762
I think that actually is down a

01:23:45.783 --> 01:23:47.123
little bit since we've been talking.

01:23:47.163 --> 01:23:48.886
But I think it actually

01:23:48.926 --> 01:23:50.707
maxed out around 170,000 stars,

01:23:50.747 --> 01:23:52.349
which I think is maybe five grand,

01:23:52.389 --> 01:23:54.251
something like that, as a floor place,

01:23:54.310 --> 01:23:55.771
which is pretty decent, right?

01:23:55.912 --> 01:23:56.872
I'm talking an eighth and a

01:23:56.893 --> 01:23:58.755
half or something like that.

01:23:58.774 --> 01:23:58.895
Yeah.

01:23:59.735 --> 01:24:01.176
yeah so I feel like I don't

01:24:01.216 --> 01:24:02.796
know I had I'm a bad kids

01:24:02.817 --> 01:24:03.697
holder now I feel like I'm

01:24:03.737 --> 01:24:05.417
out of the fucking loop so

01:24:05.457 --> 01:24:06.597
fast so fast it fucking

01:24:06.618 --> 01:24:08.057
happens what the hell I

01:24:08.078 --> 01:24:10.018
mean they've been out since

01:24:10.037 --> 01:24:13.038
the 7th of april so I don't

01:24:13.099 --> 01:24:14.559
well I had I i prepped a

01:24:14.579 --> 01:24:15.619
bunch of stuff on the ipfs

01:24:15.659 --> 01:24:16.640
side to get this going

01:24:16.659 --> 01:24:18.380
because I think the team

01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:20.461
knew it was going to be a big mint and um

01:24:21.314 --> 01:24:23.876
And the way that we prep in

01:24:23.895 --> 01:24:24.657
terms of some images,

01:24:24.697 --> 01:24:26.918
sometimes they get released late.

01:24:27.158 --> 01:24:28.699
And so we want to be able to

01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:30.201
pin those like a little bit

01:24:30.240 --> 01:24:31.462
before the mint and make

01:24:31.481 --> 01:24:32.243
sure there's a good mint.

01:24:32.302 --> 01:24:32.903
But at the same point,

01:24:32.922 --> 01:24:33.623
you don't want to release

01:24:33.663 --> 01:24:34.645
them so people don't know

01:24:34.864 --> 01:24:35.706
exactly what they are.

01:24:35.725 --> 01:24:36.987
And so there's a little bit

01:24:37.006 --> 01:24:37.667
of timing in there.

01:24:39.269 --> 01:24:40.328
And so when that was going,

01:24:40.750 --> 01:24:41.711
like right before the mint,

01:24:41.730 --> 01:24:42.430
we started pinning those.

01:24:42.470 --> 01:24:43.851
I was looking.

01:24:43.872 --> 01:24:45.052
I just pinned them.

01:24:45.073 --> 01:24:45.854
I wasn't really thinking

01:24:45.894 --> 01:24:46.715
about what they were.

01:24:47.295 --> 01:24:48.376
And then, yeah, here we are.

01:24:49.761 --> 01:24:50.882
I think I, I think there was a,

01:24:50.922 --> 01:24:51.684
there's a public men too

01:24:51.703 --> 01:24:52.163
and everything else.

01:24:52.203 --> 01:24:52.404
Right.

01:24:52.463 --> 01:24:53.704
I missed my opportunity.

01:24:55.746 --> 01:24:56.186
Some bitch.

01:24:57.426 --> 01:24:58.688
There's also some coping

01:24:58.768 --> 01:25:01.489
punks trending quite high.

01:25:03.337 --> 01:25:05.978
the volume yeah two million

01:25:05.997 --> 01:25:07.698
stars in terms of volume

01:25:07.997 --> 01:25:09.198
yeah that's actually that's

01:25:09.219 --> 01:25:10.979
high too that gets still

01:25:11.078 --> 01:25:12.380
like I mean honestly 22

01:25:12.380 --> 01:25:14.680
million stars over do you

01:25:14.699 --> 01:25:15.360
know I don't know what this

01:25:15.400 --> 01:25:16.701
volume is is that 24 hours

01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:18.502
I think oh seven days

01:25:18.742 --> 01:25:20.341
that's seven days my bad oh

01:25:20.362 --> 01:25:21.863
wait but it's actually it's

01:25:21.903 --> 01:25:23.103
down quite a bit as well it

01:25:23.122 --> 01:25:25.384
was up at you know 192

01:25:25.384 --> 01:25:29.104
stars so yeah it's taking a

01:25:29.145 --> 01:25:30.005
bit of a dive lately

01:25:31.493 --> 01:25:33.413
was it 192 but also well

01:25:33.673 --> 01:25:34.935
yeah and stargaze is really

01:25:34.954 --> 01:25:36.715
I mean the price is also up

01:25:36.715 --> 01:25:39.395
35 in the last week but it

01:25:39.435 --> 01:25:41.115
was also it's also way down

01:25:41.176 --> 01:25:42.496
from it was like over a

01:25:42.595 --> 01:25:44.036
nickel I think not that

01:25:44.076 --> 01:25:45.136
long ago now it's back down

01:25:45.176 --> 01:25:46.095
to three cents when it

01:25:46.237 --> 01:25:47.176
dropped down to I don't

01:25:47.216 --> 01:25:48.377
know if it got underneath

01:25:48.396 --> 01:25:49.277
two cents but it was pretty

01:25:49.317 --> 01:25:52.016
close I mean over 10 cents

01:25:52.177 --> 01:25:56.497
is reasonably respectable

01:25:56.518 --> 01:25:59.779
price yeah we got we gotta

01:25:59.798 --> 01:26:00.719
pump stargaze to a dollar

01:26:02.881 --> 01:26:03.921
get that going let's get

01:26:03.942 --> 01:26:08.345
that going people uh roma

01:26:08.365 --> 01:26:10.167
says they minted in tia and

01:26:10.188 --> 01:26:11.689
stargaze I didn't know that

01:26:11.770 --> 01:26:12.850
that's pretty I mean if if

01:26:12.890 --> 01:26:15.412
stars goes to over a dollar

01:26:15.472 --> 01:26:18.195
that would solve that would

01:26:18.636 --> 01:26:21.319
neatly make any thoughts

01:26:21.418 --> 01:26:23.961
about new business

01:26:24.242 --> 01:26:26.323
completely irrelevant I think right

01:26:27.273 --> 01:26:28.234
Or Juno to $45.

01:26:28.533 --> 01:26:29.954
This is back to, you know,

01:26:29.975 --> 01:26:30.796
this is actually back to

01:26:30.996 --> 01:26:31.676
another problem with the

01:26:31.716 --> 01:26:32.637
space that we work in.

01:26:32.677 --> 01:26:32.858
Right.

01:26:33.698 --> 01:26:34.439
But I think part of the

01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:36.020
reason why I'd got so burnt out,

01:26:36.161 --> 01:26:38.943
like was because I'd,

01:26:39.143 --> 01:26:43.207
I'd had this realization that like we,

01:26:43.226 --> 01:26:46.850
or like I specifically worked like

01:26:49.078 --> 01:26:50.279
x number of hours I don't

01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:51.121
even know how many hours

01:26:51.261 --> 01:26:52.981
whatever on this project

01:26:53.021 --> 01:26:55.184
and that project like how a

01:26:55.264 --> 01:26:56.645
year right and loads and

01:26:56.664 --> 01:26:57.905
loads of hours and you know

01:26:57.926 --> 01:27:00.747
made us like you know zero

01:27:00.768 --> 01:27:01.849
cents or whatever the name

01:27:01.889 --> 01:27:03.430
service actually did make

01:27:03.470 --> 01:27:04.831
us quite a bit of money was

01:27:04.871 --> 01:27:06.351
like three weeks of work

01:27:08.293 --> 01:27:10.154
like you know juno we made

01:27:10.194 --> 01:27:11.376
some money as a validator

01:27:11.416 --> 01:27:12.556
and this and that but like

01:27:13.699 --> 01:27:14.819
between all the chain halts

01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:15.680
and all the dev work and

01:27:15.699 --> 01:27:16.220
all that sort of stuff.

01:27:16.541 --> 01:27:18.381
Like as soon as you start adding up,

01:27:18.501 --> 01:27:21.202
like what you in this space, anyway,

01:27:21.282 --> 01:27:22.402
what you put your time and

01:27:22.481 --> 01:27:23.442
energy into versus what

01:27:23.481 --> 01:27:24.962
actually has a business return.

01:27:25.363 --> 01:27:26.842
Like you realize you're just throwing,

01:27:27.382 --> 01:27:28.143
you're just rolling a

01:27:28.443 --> 01:27:31.884
random die and you're rolling one dice.

01:27:31.904 --> 01:27:33.024
And it says like how many

01:27:33.144 --> 01:27:34.784
days of your life or not

01:27:34.805 --> 01:27:35.965
days of your life months of your life,

01:27:35.984 --> 01:27:36.664
you have to put into that

01:27:36.704 --> 01:27:37.545
project and you roll the

01:27:37.564 --> 01:27:40.225
other die and you find out, uh, you know,

01:27:41.234 --> 01:27:42.614
whether or not it's going to be a return.

01:27:42.734 --> 01:27:44.395
And both of those die are like,

01:27:44.775 --> 01:27:46.195
they might be a D six or

01:27:46.216 --> 01:27:47.876
they might be a D 100.

01:27:47.876 --> 01:27:49.655
And you don't know what the

01:27:49.676 --> 01:27:50.697
die is going to come up as.

01:27:50.737 --> 01:27:51.737
And you don't know what kind

01:27:51.777 --> 01:27:52.796
of die you're rolling.

01:27:53.497 --> 01:27:54.436
It could be like, ah, yes,

01:27:54.457 --> 01:27:55.317
you have to do a hundred

01:27:55.377 --> 01:27:56.557
months of work on this and

01:27:56.578 --> 01:27:58.557
you're going to make $1.

01:27:58.557 --> 01:28:00.597
And you're like, okay, cool.

01:28:00.637 --> 01:28:01.637
And this other one, you're like,

01:28:01.658 --> 01:28:02.578
you're going to have to put

01:28:02.719 --> 01:28:04.099
five minutes of work in and

01:28:04.118 --> 01:28:04.878
you're going to make a

01:28:04.939 --> 01:28:05.958
hundred thousand dollars.

01:28:07.019 --> 01:28:07.498
And it's going to be the

01:28:07.519 --> 01:28:08.399
most profitable thing your

01:28:08.420 --> 01:28:09.220
business does this year.

01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:10.399
And you're like, but,

01:28:11.462 --> 01:28:12.703
But wait, what, what the fuck?

01:28:12.842 --> 01:28:13.302
Like, you know,

01:28:13.323 --> 01:28:14.203
when you're used to like

01:28:15.344 --> 01:28:16.505
normal business contracts

01:28:16.725 --> 01:28:19.546
or like retainers or just

01:28:19.565 --> 01:28:20.806
like doing a day job where

01:28:20.827 --> 01:28:22.667
you just go into a company

01:28:22.688 --> 01:28:23.809
for nine hours a day, it's very,

01:28:23.908 --> 01:28:24.408
I don't know.

01:28:24.628 --> 01:28:26.050
I still have never got used to that.

01:28:26.949 --> 01:28:27.911
I know we should have done

01:28:27.951 --> 01:28:29.431
now three years of doing this shit,

01:28:29.471 --> 01:28:29.671
right?

01:28:30.631 --> 01:28:31.773
It's because it makes no sense.

01:28:32.132 --> 01:28:32.673
Yeah.

01:28:32.854 --> 01:28:35.935
Because it makes no sense.

01:28:35.975 --> 01:28:36.095
FYI.

01:28:38.215 --> 01:28:39.756
Uh, I,

01:28:39.876 --> 01:28:41.176
that is one thing you get from academia,

01:28:41.216 --> 01:28:42.278
to be fair, when people are like,

01:28:42.318 --> 01:28:43.319
they ask a thing and you go, oh,

01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:44.180
that's not how it works.

01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:46.381
It's this, it's much more like insane.

01:28:46.421 --> 01:28:46.962
And people go like,

01:28:47.481 --> 01:28:49.063
but that sounds like it makes no sense.

01:28:49.122 --> 01:28:51.484
And you're like, yeah.

01:28:52.164 --> 01:28:52.305
Yeah.

01:28:52.345 --> 01:28:53.565
You're looking for logic.

01:28:53.605 --> 01:28:54.247
Is that what you're looking for?

01:28:54.266 --> 01:28:54.827
It's like, but,

01:28:54.886 --> 01:28:56.509
but why would people participate in that?

01:28:56.548 --> 01:28:57.609
If X, Y, Z is true.

01:28:57.668 --> 01:28:58.529
And you're like, uh-huh.

01:28:59.650 --> 01:28:59.890
Uh-huh.

01:29:02.092 --> 01:29:03.694
Because it's a dog with a hat.

01:29:05.525 --> 01:29:06.586
It's a dog with a hat.

01:29:07.527 --> 01:29:08.707
Very important that we recognize that.

01:29:08.726 --> 01:29:09.686
Oh, is that still going up?

01:29:09.766 --> 01:29:10.528
I forgot about that.

01:29:12.268 --> 01:29:12.967
My dog with hat.

01:29:13.368 --> 01:29:13.929
Did you sell it?

01:29:13.948 --> 01:29:14.649
Are you still an owner?

01:29:15.189 --> 01:29:16.670
No, still bag holder.

01:29:17.210 --> 01:29:18.270
Bag holder, dog with hat?

01:29:18.869 --> 01:29:19.109
Yeah.

01:29:19.609 --> 01:29:20.490
To the moon, baby.

01:29:21.551 --> 01:29:22.270
To the moon.

01:29:22.490 --> 01:29:23.452
When it goes the way of

01:29:23.532 --> 01:29:29.713
the... I can't remember

01:29:29.734 --> 01:29:30.514
those other shit coins.