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okay can someone okay well

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now we're live can someone

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tell me what the fuck is

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going on basically just

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chime in when you feel like

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you need to like that's

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about what happened that

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was the least helpful thing

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you could have said

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Hello and welcome to Game of Nodes,

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a weekly podcast from

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Independent Validator Teams.

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And with us this week,

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we have additional vibes

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brought to us by Bernt from Zion.

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It was the show title, of course,

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being the only Zion-related

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pun I could think of off

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the top of my head.

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And if that's not pronounced

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exactly how I think it is,

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then the pun doesn't even work.

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No, it won't.

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It's good enough.

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I mean, I don't think there's actually,

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I don't think there's

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plausibly another way you

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could pronounce that word

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other than... We get Zeon a lot.

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But it is Zion.

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Well, Zeon would be with an E,

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wouldn't it?

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Well, like... Like, yeah.

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It's kind of like the accounting software,

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like Xero.

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started talking to the wrong

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people about accounting

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software I'm like yeah me I

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mean I don't want to get it

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onto the classic like gay

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with those talk accounting

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here but I had a thing the

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other day where I had to

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submit a load of receipts

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right and so I just like

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sent this email stuffed

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with pdfs to our finance

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guys right I was like

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everything is in here don't know

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This is kind of not my job.

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Anyway.

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And they were like, okay,

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we've got this great new idea.

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We've set up HubDoc and then

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you can add them as you go.

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And I was like,

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adding them as we go and

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tagging them is not the

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problem that we have.

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Time is the problem.

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And now there's two steps between

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This and this.

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So what's going to happen is

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exactly the same thing in

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three months time.

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You just forward fucking everything there.

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And then you set up automatic.

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They're all the same.

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You always forward like the bill.com.

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That's all of this is forwarding.

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Do you know what fucks me off?

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Is that all of these providers,

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you can't just set an

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invoicing fucking address.

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Like,

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why can't you just set an invoicing

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address?

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Wait,

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what do you mean you can't set an

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invoicing address?

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What?

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There's so many.

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You can.

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Yeah, on some.

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There's so many you can't.

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So use those.

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No,

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I use like 20 different fucking

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providers for things.

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This week on Game of Nodes

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Solve Nulls Problems.

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What are you asking about?

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We're talking about

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invoicing email address.

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Like you give an email

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address and they send the invoice to it.

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Oh, you mean like as an attachment?

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Is that what you mean?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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And not like you have to log

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in and download some stupid shit.

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Yeah,

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like OVH doesn't even fucking send

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you the invoice.

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There's no way I can find

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for them to send you the

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invoice in an email.

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You just have to fucking log

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in every month and download the invoice.

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That is a useful bitch.

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I agree.

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That's definitely on you, man.

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OVH,

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you can configure to have email billing.

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Although,

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if you order... It sends me an email.

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It sends an email.

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It doesn't send me the fucking invoice.

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What the fuck are we doing?

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Okay.

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So, so before we, let's move on from this,

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but you really can solve this.

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No, we can take this offline.

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I'll help you with it.

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Like we can sync up on time zone and,

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and we can look at, Oh, you know,

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talk to your rep.

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That's another way.

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Um,

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I abandoned my rep, man.

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He didn't do shit for me anymore.

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Me too.

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I asked them to combine... Actually,

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related, to be fair,

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I asked them to combine all

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our invoices into one,

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and they just did not reply.

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So now we get two on the same day,

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about two hours apart,

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because for some reason

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that's the exact billing cycle for them.

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That sounds pretty standard

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for fucking OVH.

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How do we get on this fucking topic?

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Where do we start with this?

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Dude, it's not only to get on this topic,

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but how do we not get off of this topic?

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How do we get off this topic?

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So, yeah, we've got guests today.

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Introduce them, please.

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They haven't been briefed on the rules,

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though.

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Usually the guests don't

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talk until at least 40 minutes.

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But anyway, welcome.

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Thank you.

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So we have two

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representatives from Burnt Zion.

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Uh, we have Ash and the founder and CEO,

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and I forgot your name already.

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Thank you.

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Welcome.

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You're good.

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My name is Anthony.

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This is, uh, Matt.

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This is CTO as well.

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Anthony, you know what the problem is?

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Like everywhere I'm looking here,

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your name is just burnt.

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Well, yeah, no, it was,

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it's me doing a bad job.

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Like three years ago, I'm like,

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I'm going to do this, uh, you know,

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fully anonymous.

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And now here we are three

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years later and I'm just fucking lazy.

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It's, it's difficult.

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I don't, I'm done.

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So burn is a company name

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and Zion is a chain name.

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Is that right?

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Correct.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Cause that keeps throwing

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together all the time,

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but it's really Zion.

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It's like Apple Macintosh is

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how we like to describe it.

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You know,

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Apple is burnt and then Macintosh

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is Zion.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I get it.

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Yeah, easy.

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Get it.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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Get it.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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I'll give a little context.

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Oh, yeah, that's me.

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I have a turtleneck somewhere.

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Unfortunately, it's just not on me.

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But normally in the turtleneck,

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I'm very visionary.

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That's how people describe

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me all the time.

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But I guess a little background for me.

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I think I got a message like

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two minutes ago,

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two minutes before this started.

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Are you coming on the stream?

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I forgot to remind you.

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I have no idea what's

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actually going on right now.

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And then I'm like, Matis, join.

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He's like, fuck it.

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All right.

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And here we are.

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Well, to be fair,

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we did talk about this fucking weeks ago,

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but I guess not with you.

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There was like Ash and like

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Jean or Jean in on the, you know,

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conversation there and like, yeah,

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we'll come on.

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But like in three weeks time

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and then that's a long time for me.

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So I forgot.

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Yeah, me too.

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Lifetime.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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the bull market could well have been

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gone already.

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I mean, has it started?

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I'm not sure.

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Yeah.

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No, yeah.

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We're back.

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I think it's been well given

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given how much soul I lost

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this week in fucking meme coins.

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Oh, I want to talk about that.

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I do want to.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah,

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they finished off the whiff on the on

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the on the sphere.

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they uh they were raising

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like 400 grand to put a

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week advertisement of dog

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with a hat on the vegas

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they got it yeah it was

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like they got it and so

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hopefully we'll see soon uh

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you know whiff on on a

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sphere oh my god damn it we

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were just talking about dog

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with a hat last week that

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was like our whole topic

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yeah accounting software's

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Yeah,

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it had more liquidity than half the

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fucking pools on Osmosis or something.

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It was some ridiculous number on there.

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I mean, it's top 100.

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I'm calling MochaCap, I'm pretty sure.

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Don't fucking call me on that,

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but I'm pretty sure.

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So just for the burnt guys then,

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to give a brief on how

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these podcasts usually go is...

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We invite you on here,

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talk shit for 90 minutes,

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ignore the project you're from, and,

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you know,

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then just fucking all of a sudden stop.

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So welcome.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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I mean, to be fair with Alejo,

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we obviously, you know,

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we could have talked about

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privacy and stuff around

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the protocol and any number of things.

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And we remembered at about 84 minutes in,

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Oh shit.

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Very briefly.

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We, we,

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we very briefly talked about zero

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knowledge for about three minutes,

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didn't we?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so what is,

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what was everyone's

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favorite hack in this industry?

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Favorite exploit, hack,

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anything that ended up on Rec News.

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Let's go around and just

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talk about our favorite.

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I'll go first.

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Mine was definitely the Mango Markets one,

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where the guy stole the

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Mango Market token,

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then did a governance

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proposal to not charge

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himself for any criminal activities,

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obviously then doxing himself,

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to which then he got arrested.

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That is an awesome one.

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I don't think I've heard of that one.

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Oh, that was a bad one.

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That was my fucking favorite.

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Well,

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if the DAO votes not to press charges,

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then they can't press charges.

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Well,

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he had all the fucking tokens because

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he just exploited the... Hold on.

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I guess... I mean,

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I'm not really too familiar with...

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all the hacks and shit

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because I don't really read rec.news.

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But I think that what is

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familiar to everybody in this group,

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at least, would be, you know,

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collapses of various things.

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Oh, that could also, yeah.

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Well,

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the one dearest to all of our hearts

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would probably be, like,

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terror collapse and the

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absolute fucking nightmare

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that was for everybody involved.

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So I'm sure everybody at this table,

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you know, did six figures on that.

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So...

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I remember I have, like,

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my last message with Doe is I'm like, hey,

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man,

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just want to let you know that you

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got this, you know, fuck the FUD.

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And he's like, thanks, bud.

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Thanks, man.

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Didn't have it.

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Yeah, didn't have it.

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Didn't have it.

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No, did not have it.

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It was like we went out for

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a drink at this, like, at this local bar.

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And there's like this great

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photo of me just looking at

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the Binance order book as

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it slowly becomes all red

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and then all the greens goes to nothing.

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And like this great photo of

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me holding it up of just a

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giant red candle.

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It's incredible days.

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Good times.

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I do believe that the fray

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was buying into Terra as it

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was collapsing.

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Well, okay, right.

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The second it properly depagged,

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it was like,

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this project's obviously going to zero.

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100% it's going to zero.

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But

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I was like, they will resuscitate it.

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Even the name is not worth zero.

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This industry is too dumb.

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I was just like, okay,

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we're just going to... This

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is very bull market.

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We were still at the tail

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end of the last bull market.

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We actually had some cash in the bank.

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It was just like, okay,

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let's throw... What price?

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Was it at pennies or was it at 40 cents?

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It was still on the way down, let's say.

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I think it was like $40,

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if I remember correctly.

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Oh, okay.

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So actually... I got it.

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Yeah.

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So the point was to buy an

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amount that was

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substantially cheaper than

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it would be when the chain

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was resuscitated with the

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assumption that...

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they would checkpoint after

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a point and you would get

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your money back and you

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would make money on that.

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It was a bet and you have to

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go be prepared to lose what you put in.

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And the long and the short

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of it is we lost what we put in.

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It was a buy-in at several

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stages and at the point where

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we bought in and it was past

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the point where they were

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still they still later

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checkpointed it it wasn't

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enough like because it was

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worth so little after that

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point when it was on the

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new chain it just all it

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all evened out to zero

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basically so you know yeah

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like what are you gonna do

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yeah I feel like in some

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point I checked in with you

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and you were up at some point

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hypothetically because there

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was a whole point where

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they were talking about

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where the checkpoint was

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going to be and it was like

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much later and it was like

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like a hundred if you if

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you mark it at that point

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we've got like hundreds of

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thousands or something so

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like because the price is

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so low but you're like well

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the price will be even

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lower on the new chain so

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the whole thing becomes

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redundant right well that

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was like maybe they had to hold it

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I mean, it was, you know, in hindsight,

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perhaps an insensitive,

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degenerate move to those

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that were losing huge amounts of money.

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But, you know,

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equally... It would have

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been great if it worked out.

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I don't know.

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We took a lot of flight during Prop 16,

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so I feel like, you know...

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We did our share trying to

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save one blockchain,

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so we have to do our bit

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just shitting on another one,

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crashing and burning, right?

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Do you know what?

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What did you learn?

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I think never, never, never trade,

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never day trade, right?

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Never day trade, never trade.

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In fact, don't trade at all.

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Right.

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The, the,

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the only main cosmos trade I

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think we've made as a business was, um,

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during like app chain

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winter where all of the app

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chains were launching,

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we got paid in native

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tokens and a few of the,

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the chains for some stuff

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and we shuffled it into atom.

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uh because it was like all

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these new chains are

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launching and like will

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these tokens be worth

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anything in like a year

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knows and then that was

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like I don't know like

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october november 2021 maybe

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and then like a lot of that

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generation of chains

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actually became worth like

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quite a bit of dollary dues

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in january february 2022

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outstripping atom um

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And yeah,

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essentially like we screwed

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ourselves with the tax.

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Cause we, we, we, we owed the tax,

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the tokens that we got when they were,

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when they were gaining a value,

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convert it to Atom, which stays static.

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And then we had this big tax

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bill to pay off,

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but the tax year ended

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after the bull market crashed.

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Well,

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we're just going to have to sell it

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all anyway to pay the tax

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bill that ended up with no

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dollars from all of those

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trades where we were like, we,

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we want to hedge our risk.

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Yeah.

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actually we're actually

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being very clever we're

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actually managing managing

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risk here that's what we're

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going to do atoms are safe

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safe harbor um yeah that's

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just never should trade

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that's that's what I

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learned that's how we learn

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that's what we that's how

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we learn this from a friend

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of the show artifact people give us coins

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We sell those coins.

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That's the only trading

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strategy outbound only.

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Yeah.

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I wish,

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I wish we had learned from that and

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the amount, and we said it a lot.

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I mean, you,

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you guys probably haven't

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heard the show before.

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I know this is a big,

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big thing from our end,

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but probably bring null as well.

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Like a lot of compounding, a lot,

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a lot of compound,

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a lot of taxable events.

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The level of fucking

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degenerate and compounding

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sort of dictated what

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strategy we took for tax as a company.

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Boom, drink.

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The worst was like the

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insane amount of yield

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foaming pools that auto

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compounded on each other

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and then trying to go to

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your accountant with that.

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I'm not doing going back to

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fucking accountant stuff on this.

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I was talking to,

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just speaking of accountants,

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I was talking to Rama this

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week about this fucking Sol

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meme coin bullshit.

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And he was saying he's not

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looking forward to doing

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the tax return when he's like, you know,

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having to put on there the

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token names of these things

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that is maybe token

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contracts would be the

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better thing to put on

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there because you know when

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you got something like come

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genie 9000 gay rodney and

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you're like got that on

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your statement for the uh

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you know for the

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accountants it's like yeah

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you know that's what I made

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the money on so

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So, Mr. Rama,

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you lost $20,000 on Comgeny

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Rodney liquidity pool.

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Yes, sir.

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Yes, I did.

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No, it's more like you made $20,000.

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Yeah, on Comrocket,

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if anyone remembers that one.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Well, Comrocket was the big one.

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Comrocket was huge.

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Yeah, Rama in the chat.

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Lost, sir.

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Come on.

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Rama, don't lose on shit.

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It's just a matter of time.

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It's just a matter of time.

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You know, Rama is like,

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he makes these wins on

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these shit coins and then

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he drags in the liquidity then.

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He's like, oh, look at this fucking,

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I'm making like all this

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money on shit coin.

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You should get in.

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Boom, five's all gone.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Isn't that just pump and dumping?

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Would you shut the fuck up?

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Yeah, dude.

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That's exactly what it is, Ash.

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It's fucking pump and dumping.

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But it's fun.

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It's the shitcoin casino.

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You're investing in a community.

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Hang on, no.

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Doesn't this just mean that

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your realm is exit liquidity?

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No, because he's juiced in.

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He's juiced in.

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Yeah, I'm juiced in now.

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He's part of the pump.

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There is a new coin every

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fucking half a second.

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So, you know,

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you just have to be on the first buy.

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And then you have to get out

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within like 30 seconds.

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Yeah, easy, guys.

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Here's your new strategy for

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the bull market.

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Just buy low and then sell high.

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That's a good idea, man.

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Why didn't I think of that?

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It's fucking dumb.

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are you going to create like

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a do you have a you have a

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token page we can look and

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see what shit coins you've

00:18:43.648 --> 00:18:44.410
bought in this situation

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man my uh my soul wallet

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this phantom thing that I

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had to get is just littered

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with dust worthless

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worthless dust I'm like I

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can't even get that off the

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wallet I don't even like I

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probably should have

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you know, used some,

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a non-sold somehow so that I wasn't like,

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because I sent it there from a sec.

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So when the government comes knocking,

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they're going to see that.

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And they're like, what the fuck is this?

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Are you doing?

00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:17.560
How could you have possibly

00:19:17.621 --> 00:19:19.862
lost 10 grand in one wallet in one day?

00:19:22.324 --> 00:19:23.806
You have no idea the power that I hold.

00:19:24.705 --> 00:19:26.387
Jack, as long as it's up to 160 bucks.

00:19:26.428 --> 00:19:28.910
You have no idea my power to

00:19:28.990 --> 00:19:30.550
fucking throw soul at the wall.

00:19:33.237 --> 00:19:35.218
I've only seen this power once before.

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This raw strength once before.

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It didn't scare me then, but it does now.

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Is there like a cosmos

00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:46.601
equivalent of that fucking pump thing?

00:19:47.661 --> 00:19:50.862
Chihuahua back in the day?

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Astroport?

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Astroport has one.

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So basically what people are

00:19:54.522 --> 00:19:57.222
doing is they'll... I do

00:19:57.242 --> 00:19:58.983
have a couple injective shitcoins,

00:19:59.104 --> 00:19:59.584
I will be honest.

00:20:00.625 --> 00:20:01.625
Yeah, I do too, for sure.

00:20:02.506 --> 00:20:03.666
It doesn't have the amount

00:20:03.707 --> 00:20:05.567
of GIF and meme action, though.

00:20:07.247 --> 00:20:07.467
No,

00:20:07.507 --> 00:20:09.146
the Cosmos really seems to cap out at

00:20:09.207 --> 00:20:11.268
like $5 million market cap,

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and then the meme coins

00:20:12.428 --> 00:20:13.268
just kind of fade away.

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So once you start reaching that point,

00:20:15.209 --> 00:20:15.868
it's time to sell.

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Still pretty good.

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Just no one's done anything

00:20:20.849 --> 00:20:22.329
dumb enough yet, right?

00:20:23.730 --> 00:20:24.230
Unicorns.

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Did you guys see that?

00:20:26.790 --> 00:20:28.250
I've seen a few unicorns in my day, yeah.

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Unicorn.meme.

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That one maybe is getting close.

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Oh, I remember that one.

00:20:34.305 --> 00:20:34.605
Yeah.

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I mean,

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it's got a win-in player and the browser.

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It's not fucking bad.

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This kind of butts up into

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it if you want to.

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Montez,

00:20:45.852 --> 00:20:47.153
what's the stupidest thing you want

00:20:47.192 --> 00:20:47.432
to do?

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I'm pretty sure that the

00:20:55.198 --> 00:20:59.421
peak of decentralized finance is Omforks.

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And I feel like we need to

00:21:01.468 --> 00:21:02.887
get those back into the cycle.

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Like it's been a while since

00:21:04.269 --> 00:21:06.750
we've had a proper home fork run.

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And now when you want to

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talk about the product that

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we're launching next.

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No, I'm okay.

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You know, when I,

00:21:19.837 --> 00:21:20.657
when I mentioned I was

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getting you guys on, uh,

00:21:22.098 --> 00:21:23.220
the fray was talking a lot

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about fucking abstraction.

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And now that you're here, he's like,

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just shut the fuck up about that.

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We had abstracted it away.

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It's all fun and games when

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you're thinking hard about something.

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It's not fucking fun and

00:21:39.211 --> 00:21:42.634
games when you're less than

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10 days away from your

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thesis deadline and you

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still have not fucking

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filled in your references at all.

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Yeah.

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You should get on that.

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Yeah, you should probably get on that.

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So what happened, right,

00:21:55.125 --> 00:21:57.307
is because I'm a fucking dickhead,

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I wrote my thesis not in

00:22:00.390 --> 00:22:02.310
Emacs like I fucking should have done,

00:22:03.092 --> 00:22:05.653
not in fucking Word like a

00:22:05.753 --> 00:22:07.255
filthy casual would have done.

00:22:07.875 --> 00:22:11.498
I wrote it in a single fucking text file,

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a .txt file, right?

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And instead of... What was the logic?

00:22:17.262 --> 00:22:18.564
Just want to ask him for a friend.

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I was just fucking exhausted.

00:22:22.025 --> 00:22:23.445
And it was really easy to

00:22:23.506 --> 00:22:25.747
sync across work laptop and

00:22:25.866 --> 00:22:27.267
other laptop and just

00:22:27.346 --> 00:22:28.028
whatever fucking

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workstation I was on at any time.

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It was a fucking TXT file.

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Worst case scenario,

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I can literally just fucking dump it.

00:22:33.890 --> 00:22:37.131
And this is especially stupid, right?

00:22:37.192 --> 00:22:39.732
Because I even have a GitHub repository,

00:22:39.752 --> 00:22:40.873
like a private repository

00:22:41.333 --> 00:22:42.634
of loads of other work that

00:22:42.653 --> 00:22:44.994
I have on the go that's like non-code.

00:22:45.874 --> 00:22:47.355
So I could have literally just put, like,

00:22:47.434 --> 00:22:48.755
even a markdown file with

00:22:48.795 --> 00:22:50.776
formatting would have been better.

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And so there's this fucking

00:22:52.696 --> 00:22:53.537
huge text file.

00:22:53.596 --> 00:22:55.698
It has equations in it, like,

00:22:55.998 --> 00:22:57.657
rendered in fucking ASCII art,

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essentially, by me in mono fucking space,

00:23:01.460 --> 00:23:01.740
like,

00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:05.280
working out how many fucking columns

00:23:05.361 --> 00:23:06.441
across the thing needs to

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be so that the underscore

00:23:08.902 --> 00:23:10.063
will look like a bloody...

00:23:11.703 --> 00:23:13.305
divide symbol and shit like

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like it is an embarrassing

00:23:15.246 --> 00:23:16.166
amount of effort at the

00:23:16.207 --> 00:23:17.968
time now I think about it

00:23:18.127 --> 00:23:19.689
is tired person going oh

00:23:19.709 --> 00:23:20.388
shit I just need to just

00:23:20.429 --> 00:23:21.430
put this in the placeholder

00:23:22.009 --> 00:23:23.250
spend 20 minutes fucking

00:23:23.290 --> 00:23:24.092
placeholdering in an

00:23:24.172 --> 00:23:25.172
equation rather than just

00:23:25.231 --> 00:23:26.313
reformatting the entire

00:23:26.373 --> 00:23:28.294
thing and then you're so

00:23:28.354 --> 00:23:30.295
deep into it that it's now

00:23:30.355 --> 00:23:31.415
like a few days before the

00:23:31.455 --> 00:23:33.778
deadline and everywhere you

00:23:33.817 --> 00:23:34.738
should have referenced a

00:23:34.798 --> 00:23:36.138
paper or a reference or

00:23:36.239 --> 00:23:37.779
anything I just put two

00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:39.000
square brackets to remind

00:23:39.040 --> 00:23:40.701
myself to fill that in later

00:23:42.372 --> 00:23:42.872
But don't we all?

00:23:43.232 --> 00:23:44.173
There's like fucking 300 of them.

00:23:44.192 --> 00:23:46.474
That's how you do it, though.

00:23:47.375 --> 00:23:48.135
Yeah.

00:23:48.296 --> 00:23:50.837
I walk around daily with two

00:23:50.877 --> 00:23:51.919
square brackets and just

00:23:51.959 --> 00:23:53.059
keep putting it around shit.

00:23:55.882 --> 00:23:58.023
Most of our code base is to-dos.

00:23:58.743 --> 00:24:00.105
Time to pay your tax.

00:24:00.305 --> 00:24:01.546
Square bracket.

00:24:01.746 --> 00:24:03.968
To-do, to-do, to-do.

00:24:04.407 --> 00:24:04.828
Really,

00:24:06.410 --> 00:24:08.510
all of my problems are my... What's

00:24:08.550 --> 00:24:09.852
the Homer Simpson quote?

00:24:10.032 --> 00:24:11.653
I am the architect and...

00:24:14.288 --> 00:24:14.648
whatever.

00:24:14.669 --> 00:24:17.692
That was the quote.

00:24:18.053 --> 00:24:19.513
That was the quote.

00:24:19.694 --> 00:24:21.536
I am the architect or whatever.

00:24:21.696 --> 00:24:23.097
Homer Simpson.

00:24:23.117 --> 00:24:25.500
100% sounds like it.

00:24:25.621 --> 00:24:26.761
I'm the sculptor and

00:24:26.821 --> 00:24:28.483
architect of all my own problems.

00:24:28.743 --> 00:24:29.664
That sounds too fucking

00:24:29.684 --> 00:24:30.726
profound for Homer Simpson.

00:24:30.746 --> 00:24:32.448
He definitely didn't fucking say that.

00:24:33.228 --> 00:24:33.548
No.

00:24:33.969 --> 00:24:34.410
I feel like

00:24:35.819 --> 00:24:37.401
But I feel like that's a Simpsons quote.

00:24:37.901 --> 00:24:38.441
I don't think so.

00:24:38.461 --> 00:24:39.821
It doesn't sound familiar.

00:24:40.362 --> 00:24:41.682
Hey, you know,

00:24:41.702 --> 00:24:43.742
I saw today somebody's done steamed hams,

00:24:44.263 --> 00:24:49.125
but it's sorted by volume of the brain,

00:24:49.586 --> 00:24:49.826
right?

00:24:50.586 --> 00:24:51.926
So it just starts like dead

00:24:52.027 --> 00:24:53.067
silent and it's just this

00:24:53.346 --> 00:24:55.909
gibberish like rising to a

00:24:56.048 --> 00:24:58.890
roar where there's this

00:24:58.950 --> 00:24:59.690
really weird bit in the

00:24:59.730 --> 00:25:01.810
middle where they're eating, you know,

00:25:01.830 --> 00:25:02.951
and chewing and

00:25:04.433 --> 00:25:06.336
And it's just this weird 20

00:25:06.336 --> 00:25:08.401
seconds of horror.

00:25:08.621 --> 00:25:11.226
The chewing section.

00:25:11.326 --> 00:25:13.148
Of just volume.

00:25:13.169 --> 00:25:14.692
You're just like, ooh.

00:25:16.578 --> 00:25:16.999
What was this?

00:25:18.199 --> 00:25:19.980
I assume you have the platform.

00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:20.640
I do.

00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:21.019
Yeah.

00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:22.000
Yeah.

00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:23.700
So it says that it's that,

00:25:23.740 --> 00:25:25.480
but every frame is sorted by volume.

00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:27.101
So everyone in the chat go

00:25:27.141 --> 00:25:28.421
by dollar sign steamed.

00:25:29.401 --> 00:25:30.761
We're doing steamed hams by

00:25:30.821 --> 00:25:32.521
volume and the volume is

00:25:32.602 --> 00:25:34.061
actually determined by coin market cap.

00:25:34.461 --> 00:25:36.883
So I think,

00:25:37.002 --> 00:25:38.663
I think for you said we got a

00:25:39.202 --> 00:25:40.462
gate and KuCoin listing on that.

00:25:40.482 --> 00:25:43.163
A hundred percent.

00:25:43.648 --> 00:25:43.949
All right.

00:25:44.048 --> 00:25:46.369
There it is.

00:25:47.390 --> 00:25:49.510
Fucking whoever volume up.

00:25:49.770 --> 00:25:50.611
It's horrifying.

00:25:50.631 --> 00:25:51.551
It's themed.

00:25:51.771 --> 00:25:54.732
It's hands ordered by a guy

00:25:54.772 --> 00:25:55.532
at the bus stop.

00:25:57.334 --> 00:25:57.814
Oh fuck.

00:25:57.854 --> 00:25:58.854
Is this already a thing?

00:25:59.114 --> 00:26:00.394
God, I love this industry.

00:26:01.775 --> 00:26:04.536
Like there's a, there's fucking great.

00:26:05.135 --> 00:26:06.817
Uh, have you ever been, so you know,

00:26:06.856 --> 00:26:07.856
like last summer I was at

00:26:07.896 --> 00:26:09.218
like a FinTech conference

00:26:09.278 --> 00:26:10.817
that wasn't like that crypto,

00:26:10.857 --> 00:26:12.419
especially at that point in the bear run.

00:26:12.959 --> 00:26:13.118
And, uh,

00:26:14.025 --> 00:26:16.166
one of the big um crypto

00:26:16.227 --> 00:26:17.627
auditing firms had a booth

00:26:17.688 --> 00:26:21.090
there and nobody was biting

00:26:21.471 --> 00:26:23.192
it was just a guy sat at a

00:26:23.252 --> 00:26:24.973
table looking sad with a

00:26:25.013 --> 00:26:26.394
pile of baseball caps

00:26:26.494 --> 00:26:30.198
nobody wanted so you know

00:26:31.098 --> 00:26:31.960
saying that you just like

00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:34.382
that's the story here well

00:26:34.442 --> 00:26:35.402
no because no one's like oh

00:26:35.423 --> 00:26:36.502
just get some random guy a

00:26:36.522 --> 00:26:37.763
bus stop to audit it I was

00:26:37.804 --> 00:26:40.626
like at that point that was just a guy

00:26:41.932 --> 00:26:43.173
effectively at a bus stop

00:26:43.192 --> 00:26:43.992
waiting for somebody to

00:26:44.032 --> 00:26:45.472
just like come and release

00:26:45.492 --> 00:26:46.354
them from hell.

00:26:46.874 --> 00:26:47.354
That's true.

00:26:47.394 --> 00:26:48.233
There are some auditing

00:26:48.273 --> 00:26:49.535
firms that I would say are

00:26:49.575 --> 00:26:51.056
like that now as well.

00:26:51.236 --> 00:26:52.935
I'm not going to say the exact names,

00:26:53.036 --> 00:26:54.396
but you could probably imagine.

00:26:54.416 --> 00:26:56.357
Yeah, what the fuck is a Steam thing?

00:26:57.579 --> 00:26:59.080
I think this is a real project, dude.

00:26:59.101 --> 00:27:01.701
No, it's a real project.

00:27:01.701 --> 00:27:02.842
$60 million paid out to

00:27:02.862 --> 00:27:04.063
Steam users since June.

00:27:04.242 --> 00:27:05.242
June of what year, number one?

00:27:05.323 --> 00:27:07.544
That kind of sounds like a security to me.

00:27:07.584 --> 00:27:08.183
I'm just saying.

00:27:08.223 --> 00:27:10.384
No, it's some stupid social thing.

00:27:10.984 --> 00:27:11.986
What the fuck is this?

00:27:12.566 --> 00:27:13.586
God damn it, you guys.

00:27:13.625 --> 00:27:16.227
What did you just find?

00:27:16.247 --> 00:27:17.508
$1.2 million transactions.

00:27:19.868 --> 00:27:21.148
It's powering communities

00:27:21.588 --> 00:27:22.690
and opportunities.

00:27:24.913 --> 00:27:26.594
Oh, guys, dude,

00:27:26.614 --> 00:27:27.673
they process more

00:27:27.693 --> 00:27:30.015
transactions than the mere

00:27:30.015 --> 00:27:31.635
500,000 Ethereum

00:27:31.655 --> 00:27:33.435
transactions that have been processed.

00:27:33.496 --> 00:27:34.656
Already used by over 1

00:27:34.656 --> 00:27:37.637
million people on 324 Steam

00:27:37.678 --> 00:27:38.498
ham-based apps.

00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:42.980
Started in June 28.

00:27:43.059 --> 00:27:44.681
Their little icon looks like

00:27:44.721 --> 00:27:46.661
a cock and balls.

00:27:46.701 --> 00:27:49.142
Because they say fast transactions.

00:27:49.542 --> 00:27:50.542
Yeah, they keep their own shit up.

00:27:51.444 --> 00:27:52.005
They said 2018.

00:27:52.105 --> 00:27:53.786
It started in 2018.

00:27:54.385 --> 00:27:53.786
2018?

00:27:55.026 --> 00:27:57.105
Steemit is a social blogging platform.

00:27:57.165 --> 00:28:00.426
Oh, this looks like... Oh, wow.

00:28:00.446 --> 00:28:01.686
Yeah, look at its price chart.

00:28:01.727 --> 00:28:02.767
It really popped off in 2016.

00:28:02.826 --> 00:28:08.189
Steemit is that old... That's it.

00:28:08.249 --> 00:28:08.689
This is it.

00:28:08.749 --> 00:28:09.269
That's Steemit.

00:28:09.449 --> 00:28:10.709
Oh, this is Steemit?

00:28:11.189 --> 00:28:11.469
Yeah.

00:28:13.089 --> 00:28:13.869
I haven't heard this fucking

00:28:13.890 --> 00:28:14.490
thing in forever.

00:28:15.134 --> 00:28:17.015
yeah it's like the token for

00:28:17.075 --> 00:28:18.634
steam it steam as in

00:28:18.674 --> 00:28:20.816
steamed hams yeah no it's

00:28:20.875 --> 00:28:22.737
not of course yeah I mean

00:28:22.777 --> 00:28:23.737
yeah of course yeah yeah

00:28:23.876 --> 00:28:25.917
yeah yeah sure okay cool so

00:28:25.938 --> 00:28:28.038
they pivoted from social blogging to uh

00:28:29.146 --> 00:28:30.488
to have appreciation.

00:28:31.949 --> 00:28:33.089
What the fuck is DTube?

00:28:34.270 --> 00:28:38.174
I feel like they could have

00:28:38.194 --> 00:28:39.134
had a better branding on

00:28:39.154 --> 00:28:40.096
their video platform.

00:28:40.916 --> 00:28:42.458
I'm clicking on hot videos on DTube.

00:28:42.498 --> 00:28:48.383
This could go downhill really quick.

00:28:48.502 --> 00:28:50.305
Just feeling out the room

00:28:50.345 --> 00:28:51.306
while that's loading.

00:28:52.866 --> 00:28:53.587
Spoda.

00:28:54.567 --> 00:28:57.069
Spoda seems like a solid investment,

00:28:57.111 --> 00:28:57.270
right?

00:28:57.978 --> 00:28:58.557
Spoda?

00:28:59.038 --> 00:28:59.598
Is that a pump?

00:29:00.699 --> 00:29:03.320
Yeah.

00:29:03.621 --> 00:29:04.781
I've made about seven

00:29:04.821 --> 00:29:08.683
investments during this podcast.

00:29:09.544 --> 00:29:11.525
You have the look of a serious investor.

00:29:12.145 --> 00:29:17.028
I had to look this up.

00:29:17.048 --> 00:29:17.409
Apparently,

00:29:17.449 --> 00:29:18.950
the first three definitions are

00:29:18.990 --> 00:29:19.910
just racial slurs.

00:29:20.549 --> 00:29:21.230
Of Spoda?

00:29:22.731 --> 00:29:23.471
Of Spoda.

00:29:23.491 --> 00:29:24.211
Yeah.

00:29:26.126 --> 00:29:27.528
Yeah, nothing's lower than DTube.

00:29:28.167 --> 00:29:30.009
It's best not to Google

00:29:30.369 --> 00:29:31.451
anything you see on Pumper.

00:29:31.530 --> 00:29:32.991
Are you telling me, Serpa,

00:29:33.031 --> 00:29:34.071
that DTube is not

00:29:34.152 --> 00:29:36.534
adequately decentralized to be up?

00:29:36.653 --> 00:29:37.775
I think it's actually so

00:29:37.835 --> 00:29:40.757
decentralized that they...

00:29:42.438 --> 00:29:43.298
I don't even... There's no

00:29:43.318 --> 00:29:44.078
fucking videos here.

00:29:44.538 --> 00:29:46.320
It's so decentralized that

00:29:46.361 --> 00:29:47.642
it can't stand up because

00:29:47.701 --> 00:29:49.083
it's just... Boom.

00:29:49.242 --> 00:29:50.063
Yeah, yeah.

00:29:50.163 --> 00:29:52.924
It's fighting for consensus

00:29:52.964 --> 00:29:54.026
here and they just can't hit it.

00:29:54.679 --> 00:29:55.659
I'm pulling videos from

00:29:55.699 --> 00:29:57.138
somebody's phone attached

00:29:57.199 --> 00:29:58.059
in Vietnam somewhere.

00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.920
That's exactly what's going on.

00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:01.960
Someone's getting like a

00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.500
ding on their terminal.

00:30:03.520 --> 00:30:04.701
Like, is someone using this?

00:30:06.320 --> 00:30:07.820
This is always just shit.

00:30:08.461 --> 00:30:09.741
We got a user.

00:30:10.041 --> 00:30:11.501
We got eight times traffic.

00:30:11.622 --> 00:30:12.561
It's the bull market.

00:30:12.582 --> 00:30:13.761
We got users again.

00:30:15.123 --> 00:30:15.883
Call the VCs.

00:30:17.823 --> 00:30:19.363
Quickly get them back on the phone.

00:30:19.522 --> 00:30:20.623
This thing's popping off.

00:30:21.064 --> 00:30:21.943
They said if we had users,

00:30:21.963 --> 00:30:22.743
they would give us more money.

00:30:22.784 --> 00:30:23.284
We have users.

00:30:24.142 --> 00:30:25.403
We got traction, guys, please.

00:30:26.723 --> 00:30:27.424
I know it's not a lot now,

00:30:27.464 --> 00:30:28.164
but it still blows up.

00:30:29.086 --> 00:30:31.106
DTube says it's 0.55 cents,

00:30:31.146 --> 00:30:32.828
but it doesn't say what

00:30:33.148 --> 00:30:33.909
denomination that is.

00:30:36.971 --> 00:30:37.251
I don't know.

00:30:38.512 --> 00:30:39.313
$4,000 Ethereum.

00:30:39.693 --> 00:30:42.375
I mean... Shultz,

00:30:42.395 --> 00:30:43.717
how do you feel about that, personally?

00:30:46.618 --> 00:30:47.078
About what?

00:30:47.098 --> 00:30:48.279
$4,000 Ethereum.

00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:48.400
Uh...

00:30:51.653 --> 00:30:52.413
So one of my favorite things

00:30:52.433 --> 00:30:53.434
about ETH Denver a couple

00:30:53.454 --> 00:30:54.695
of weeks ago was that I'm

00:30:54.855 --> 00:30:56.596
very not ETH aligned at all.

00:30:57.077 --> 00:30:57.978
And so I told people that

00:30:57.998 --> 00:30:59.019
and almost every single

00:30:59.058 --> 00:31:00.681
time people get like angry at me.

00:31:00.941 --> 00:31:01.922
Wait a second.

00:31:02.001 --> 00:31:02.942
You're telling me that,

00:31:03.303 --> 00:31:05.265
that interchange security failed,

00:31:05.545 --> 00:31:07.165
but Eigen layer is,

00:31:08.126 --> 00:31:09.288
is a hundred million dollars for me.

00:31:09.288 --> 00:31:09.828
16 C. I mean,

00:31:11.049 --> 00:31:12.451
that's not the same exact thing, right?

00:31:16.209 --> 00:31:17.369
As far as security goes, I mean,

00:31:17.390 --> 00:31:18.069
I think it's fine.

00:31:18.390 --> 00:31:21.692
But Ethereum is just a horrible interface.

00:31:21.712 --> 00:31:22.913
That didn't fucking land.

00:31:23.173 --> 00:31:24.994
God damn, that didn't fucking land.

00:31:25.535 --> 00:31:26.415
Jesus Christ.

00:31:26.435 --> 00:31:26.816
All right.

00:31:26.875 --> 00:31:27.757
It's a tough crowd here.

00:31:29.317 --> 00:31:30.519
We love data availability.

00:31:30.538 --> 00:31:33.099
What the fuck does data

00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.843
availability even mean?

00:31:38.084 --> 00:31:39.785
It gets the people going.

00:31:40.644 --> 00:31:41.746
That's the title of my next paper,

00:31:41.806 --> 00:31:42.145
actually.

00:31:43.067 --> 00:31:44.607
That's the thesis you're defending?

00:31:44.847 --> 00:31:45.989
Data availability.

00:31:47.442 --> 00:31:50.211
An ethno-technical study of

00:31:53.041 --> 00:31:54.143
uh something something

00:31:54.182 --> 00:31:55.423
something you just just

00:31:55.463 --> 00:31:56.825
pull up the dot txt file

00:31:56.865 --> 00:31:59.287
and then let me know to do

00:31:59.467 --> 00:32:01.509
in brackets my txt file of

00:32:01.568 --> 00:32:03.349
facetious paper titles that

00:32:03.390 --> 00:32:06.452
I didn't use yeah yeah also

00:32:06.492 --> 00:32:07.314
it was interesting I'm

00:32:07.334 --> 00:32:08.114
looking at the title now

00:32:08.134 --> 00:32:08.914
because I didn't see it

00:32:08.954 --> 00:32:10.876
before um I don't think

00:32:10.957 --> 00:32:11.916
whoever made the title

00:32:12.438 --> 00:32:13.739
knows what a pun is um

00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:16.381
because it's like a lion

00:32:17.182 --> 00:32:18.482
just rhymes it's not a pun

00:32:21.416 --> 00:32:22.617
Is there supposed to be a pun?

00:32:23.137 --> 00:32:23.278
Well,

00:32:23.298 --> 00:32:26.000
I was told that the title was a pun

00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:27.401
on the word Zion,

00:32:27.441 --> 00:32:28.121
and I just saw the title.

00:32:28.141 --> 00:32:29.122
I guess it's adjacent.

00:32:29.281 --> 00:32:30.282
It's adjacent to a pun.

00:32:30.403 --> 00:32:34.184
But actually, well... It's pun adjacent?

00:32:34.444 --> 00:32:35.766
It's pun adjacent, I think.

00:32:37.346 --> 00:32:37.987
Okay.

00:32:39.188 --> 00:32:40.808
Yeah.

00:32:40.989 --> 00:32:43.191
The word Zion is just the

00:32:43.230 --> 00:32:44.770
same word with one letter change,

00:32:44.832 --> 00:32:46.813
so it's functionally the same word.

00:32:47.333 --> 00:32:47.573
Yeah.

00:32:48.134 --> 00:32:49.914
It actually barely rhymes.

00:32:51.650 --> 00:32:56.011
Yeah, like, well, a pun is – wait,

00:32:56.031 --> 00:32:56.271
hang on.

00:32:57.913 --> 00:32:58.913
Listen, Tony,

00:32:59.534 --> 00:33:00.673
that's enough shit out of you, mate.

00:33:01.173 --> 00:33:01.835
I'm just saying,

00:33:02.295 --> 00:33:03.134
you said we're talking shit

00:33:03.154 --> 00:33:03.795
for 90 minutes,

00:33:04.355 --> 00:33:05.316
and I'm just trying to keep

00:33:05.336 --> 00:33:06.116
the conversation going.

00:33:08.136 --> 00:33:10.999
Actually, lion is the pronunciation we use,

00:33:11.719 --> 00:33:13.140
or it's Zion.

00:33:14.380 --> 00:33:14.680
Zion.

00:33:15.101 --> 00:33:15.580
Yeah, Zion.

00:33:15.901 --> 00:33:16.040
Yeah.

00:33:19.328 --> 00:33:21.148
Well, I mean, no, hang on.

00:33:21.169 --> 00:33:22.329
I'm not going to be gaslit about this.

00:33:22.430 --> 00:33:23.569
It is a pun because it

00:33:23.609 --> 00:33:25.990
relies on... First of all, yes, you will.

00:33:26.430 --> 00:33:29.671
You're going to go back on mute.

00:33:31.770 --> 00:33:33.652
It relies on similar sounding words that,

00:33:33.672 --> 00:33:35.011
in fact, have different meanings.

00:33:36.852 --> 00:33:39.532
Because in this case, well, actually,

00:33:39.573 --> 00:33:41.333
both zions are both proper nouns,

00:33:41.393 --> 00:33:41.712
aren't they?

00:33:43.114 --> 00:33:44.153
Like, wouldn't that be a simile?

00:33:45.478 --> 00:33:46.818
I think it's a metaphor.

00:33:46.979 --> 00:33:49.461
I don't know what a simile is.

00:33:50.122 --> 00:33:50.902
I'm from Australia, man.

00:33:50.922 --> 00:33:53.884
We don't do grammar here.

00:33:55.025 --> 00:33:55.865
Fucking simile.

00:33:55.885 --> 00:33:57.507
It's definitely onomatopoeia.

00:33:57.626 --> 00:33:59.028
I'm pretty confident about that.

00:33:59.449 --> 00:34:01.650
You're like the aliens in

00:34:01.690 --> 00:34:02.951
that China Myville book

00:34:03.311 --> 00:34:04.752
that can't do advanced

00:34:04.792 --> 00:34:06.134
language constructs and so

00:34:07.555 --> 00:34:09.036
have to trade with humans.

00:34:10.617 --> 00:34:11.657
I also love Dune.

00:34:12.018 --> 00:34:12.898
I'm glad we're bringing that up.

00:34:13.278 --> 00:34:14.239
Dune 2 was phenomenal.

00:34:15.454 --> 00:34:16.036
Fuck off, man.

00:34:16.076 --> 00:34:16.755
I haven't seen it yet.

00:34:17.297 --> 00:34:18.217
Why haven't you seen it?

00:34:18.277 --> 00:34:18.878
That's your fault.

00:34:19.619 --> 00:34:20.860
Because I'm allergic to cinemas.

00:34:22.521 --> 00:34:23.862
I really, really want to see it,

00:34:24.043 --> 00:34:25.965
but I haven't been able to get there.

00:34:26.126 --> 00:34:27.726
My expectations are so low.

00:34:29.047 --> 00:34:29.849
Why are they low?

00:34:30.829 --> 00:34:30.969
Well,

00:34:30.989 --> 00:34:33.393
because every time in life you expect

00:34:33.432 --> 00:34:35.474
something to be up to the hype,

00:34:35.574 --> 00:34:36.916
you end up just sat there

00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.981
in a pool of, uh, no, I get that.

00:34:40.141 --> 00:34:40.842
Cool.

00:34:41.021 --> 00:34:42.141
Just wondering what the fuck

00:34:42.161 --> 00:34:42.782
you're doing there.

00:34:42.802 --> 00:34:46.704
And I, I just, I just can't, I just,

00:34:47.244 --> 00:34:49.525
you know, my man, I just, I'm just like,

00:34:50.364 --> 00:34:51.945
it's, it's going to be a piece of shit.

00:34:51.985 --> 00:34:52.286
Probably.

00:34:52.326 --> 00:34:53.565
I probably will think it's shit,

00:34:54.246 --> 00:34:55.527
but it's a good movie.

00:34:55.726 --> 00:34:56.586
I don't think you have to like,

00:34:56.606 --> 00:34:58.467
it's not like God's gift to the earth.

00:34:58.847 --> 00:34:59.268
I don't know.

00:34:59.288 --> 00:35:01.009
I feel like you're a little invested.

00:35:01.048 --> 00:35:02.108
It's not overly.

00:35:02.148 --> 00:35:03.570
It's not a master and commander.

00:35:03.590 --> 00:35:03.949
Yeah.

00:35:04.530 --> 00:35:05.250
It's a statue.

00:35:06.110 --> 00:35:07.530
It's not such a commanders here, but,

00:35:08.648 --> 00:35:09.650
Anyone play Helldivers 2?

00:35:11.570 --> 00:35:11.751
No.

00:35:11.771 --> 00:35:13.693
Don't have time for video games anymore.

00:35:14.492 --> 00:35:15.934
Oh, yeah?

00:35:16.155 --> 00:35:18.637
Gotta spend time doing this.

00:35:20.998 --> 00:35:22.119
It's night, right?

00:35:22.139 --> 00:35:24.661
Everybody's fucking asleep here.

00:35:24.721 --> 00:35:25.362
The only thing I would be

00:35:25.402 --> 00:35:26.842
doing instead of this is

00:35:26.862 --> 00:35:29.425
probably playing video

00:35:29.465 --> 00:35:31.085
games or being asleep.

00:35:31.746 --> 00:35:33.467
This is literally my XCOM.

00:35:33.668 --> 00:35:34.768
This is my XCOM time.

00:35:36.932 --> 00:35:38.554
So I'm not an asshole is

00:35:38.574 --> 00:35:39.173
what you're telling me.

00:35:39.454 --> 00:35:40.474
Yeah, more or less.

00:35:40.514 --> 00:35:40.753
Yeah.

00:35:41.333 --> 00:35:42.954
But like I get right hell divers,

00:35:42.974 --> 00:35:44.875
you have to like actually

00:35:44.974 --> 00:35:46.115
pay attention and you can't

00:35:46.135 --> 00:35:47.556
just like pause and just

00:35:47.615 --> 00:35:49.637
fucking sack off for 12

00:35:49.637 --> 00:35:50.916
hours and then rejoin,

00:35:51.617 --> 00:35:52.456
which is like a key

00:35:52.516 --> 00:35:53.677
component of my attention

00:35:53.697 --> 00:35:55.077
span for video games at the moment.

00:35:55.757 --> 00:35:55.958
Okay.

00:35:57.278 --> 00:35:57.639
Like, I mean,

00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:59.099
missions take like 20 minutes.

00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:00.179
I think it's a very, you know,

00:36:00.260 --> 00:36:01.059
in and out 20 minute

00:36:01.099 --> 00:36:01.860
adventure kind of thing.

00:36:02.663 --> 00:36:05.643
I didn't know we were drinking.

00:36:05.664 --> 00:36:06.824
I was going to say,

00:36:06.844 --> 00:36:07.804
what are we drinking over there?

00:36:08.565 --> 00:36:09.326
Hold up a second.

00:36:09.365 --> 00:36:11.166
Is it night time?

00:36:11.967 --> 00:36:13.927
You're working on... 545?

00:36:14.648 --> 00:36:14.847
That's 545.

00:36:14.947 --> 00:36:17.668
You're working on what kind of machine?

00:36:17.708 --> 00:36:18.650
You're working on a MacBook?

00:36:19.570 --> 00:36:20.489
Yeah, a MacBook.

00:36:20.710 --> 00:36:21.911
Well, I have a PlayStation Man over there.

00:36:22.710 --> 00:36:22.871
Oh, right.

00:36:22.891 --> 00:36:23.411
I was going to say,

00:36:23.431 --> 00:36:24.652
how the fuck are you playing Helldives?

00:36:25.413 --> 00:36:26.193
How did you know I was on a Mac?

00:36:27.472 --> 00:36:29.172
Do I just give off... Oh, Steve Jobs.

00:36:29.713 --> 00:36:30.213
We went over this.

00:36:30.233 --> 00:36:34.456
Who isn't on a fucking Mac in this room?

00:36:34.516 --> 00:36:35.996
If I took a fucking wild...

00:36:36.137 --> 00:36:38.878
I think one frame,

00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:40.579
whatever the volume of that frame was,

00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.422
into this call, I was like, MacBook.

00:36:44.101 --> 00:36:45.023
MacBook, yeah.

00:36:45.463 --> 00:36:46.483
Well, I mean,

00:36:46.603 --> 00:36:48.405
Ash has got fucking what

00:36:48.425 --> 00:36:50.126
appears to be Apple headphones on,

00:36:50.445 --> 00:36:51.306
so he's a Mac guy.

00:36:52.358 --> 00:36:56.802
And Tony is, well, everything,

00:36:56.822 --> 00:36:58.583
all the vibes I'm getting, says Mac.

00:37:00.184 --> 00:37:00.865
All the vibes.

00:37:02.166 --> 00:37:03.126
I read him more.

00:37:03.268 --> 00:37:05.048
Tony, do we have the same headphones on?

00:37:07.690 --> 00:37:09.112
No, but I think you and I do.

00:37:10.132 --> 00:37:11.534
Oh, yeah.

00:37:11.614 --> 00:37:11.873
Yeah,

00:37:11.893 --> 00:37:14.195
they do not look like pleb tier

00:37:14.235 --> 00:37:16.217
fucking headphones.

00:37:17.137 --> 00:37:17.478
These are.

00:37:18.759 --> 00:37:19.440
Are they?

00:37:19.579 --> 00:37:22.001
Are they like Logitech or something?

00:37:22.405 --> 00:37:24.585
no I forget what brand akgs

00:37:25.047 --> 00:37:28.686
yeah uh yeah I think that

00:37:28.706 --> 00:37:30.608
are they the audio are they

00:37:30.648 --> 00:37:32.347
the akg akg ones that

00:37:32.527 --> 00:37:33.929
aren't reference but are

00:37:33.949 --> 00:37:35.128
still like pretty good

00:37:35.409 --> 00:37:36.469
they're like 40 50 bucks or

00:37:36.489 --> 00:37:37.789
something cheap yeah the

00:37:37.809 --> 00:37:38.530
guy told me this for

00:37:38.570 --> 00:37:40.170
podcasts and I'm like yeah

00:37:40.250 --> 00:37:44.771
sign me up lick of research

00:37:45.847 --> 00:37:45.927
Hey,

00:37:45.947 --> 00:37:47.168
I'm the only guy that's not wearing

00:37:47.188 --> 00:37:48.028
fucking headphones.

00:37:48.630 --> 00:37:49.250
I was going to say it's

00:37:49.269 --> 00:37:50.811
definitely a bold strategy.

00:37:50.851 --> 00:37:51.590
I don't think I've really

00:37:51.951 --> 00:37:53.172
seen a lot of your kind before.

00:37:55.492 --> 00:37:56.514
Is there a reason you don't

00:37:56.534 --> 00:37:57.213
like headphones?

00:37:57.233 --> 00:37:58.255
You lost your headphones?

00:37:59.556 --> 00:38:00.655
I find them constricting.

00:38:02.237 --> 00:38:03.657
It would ruin his hair.

00:38:04.498 --> 00:38:05.318
This would be the first week

00:38:05.338 --> 00:38:06.380
I've worn headphones.

00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:07.880
Interesting.

00:38:08.161 --> 00:38:08.340
Ever?

00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.164
On this podcast, maybe a handful of times.

00:38:13.204 --> 00:38:15.344
But, you know, I'm feeling it.

00:38:15.445 --> 00:38:15.525
It's...

00:38:16.063 --> 00:38:17.445
Usually, you've got the blurry background.

00:38:17.885 --> 00:38:19.967
Oh, we peer pressured him into it.

00:38:20.608 --> 00:38:22.849
Oh, we peer pressured him into it.

00:38:22.949 --> 00:38:24.010
There you go.

00:38:24.050 --> 00:38:25.110
Does everybody feel a little

00:38:25.130 --> 00:38:26.072
bit less naked now?

00:38:26.592 --> 00:38:28.653
How does that feel on your ears, though?

00:38:28.833 --> 00:38:29.034
Yeah.

00:38:29.534 --> 00:38:31.076
Those look fancy as fuck, too.

00:38:31.096 --> 00:38:31.976
They do look fancy.

00:38:32.916 --> 00:38:34.518
He's literally sitting in a

00:38:34.579 --> 00:38:36.079
room filled with audio gear.

00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:37.161
You would have to imagine.

00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.621
There's at least three

00:38:38.641 --> 00:38:39.782
Marshall speakers there.

00:38:40.329 --> 00:38:40.570
Right.

00:38:41.331 --> 00:38:41.891
You know, when you said,

00:38:42.211 --> 00:38:43.231
how do those feel on your ears?

00:38:43.271 --> 00:38:44.413
They're actually so large

00:38:44.452 --> 00:38:45.994
that they go around your ears.

00:38:46.074 --> 00:38:47.295
So you don't feel them on your ears.

00:38:47.335 --> 00:38:49.056
That's sort of the point.

00:38:49.858 --> 00:38:50.699
They float above your head.

00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:52.699
I mean, yeah, they do.

00:38:52.739 --> 00:38:53.701
That's what this thing is.

00:38:53.721 --> 00:38:54.161
Actually,

00:38:54.382 --> 00:38:56.682
it tensions the head strap so

00:38:56.702 --> 00:38:57.764
that you can wear them for

00:38:57.824 --> 00:38:58.905
like long periods of time.

00:38:58.925 --> 00:39:00.507
Yeah.

00:39:01.347 --> 00:39:03.128
All right.

00:39:03.148 --> 00:39:04.369
So tell me what the hell Zion is.

00:39:07.594 --> 00:39:09.755
I really wanted to go through this.

00:39:09.815 --> 00:39:11.755
I'm done with this fucking topic.

00:39:11.795 --> 00:39:12.737
I really wanted to.

00:39:12.916 --> 00:39:14.396
I mean, guys, we should talk about tax.

00:39:14.516 --> 00:39:15.438
I'm reading the site.

00:39:15.478 --> 00:39:16.057
I'm trying to figure out

00:39:16.077 --> 00:39:16.637
what the hell it is.

00:39:16.677 --> 00:39:17.478
Tell me what the hell it is.

00:39:17.498 --> 00:39:19.838
Why don't you take your

00:39:19.878 --> 00:39:21.320
wildest guess and then I'll go.

00:39:21.340 --> 00:39:24.681
Doesn't have line goes up technology.

00:39:24.721 --> 00:39:25.340
That's really good.

00:39:25.601 --> 00:39:27.621
I cannot comment on that.

00:39:27.762 --> 00:39:30.123
Do you do well that I can't

00:39:30.143 --> 00:39:30.822
comment on that?

00:39:32.625 --> 00:39:32.945
I don't know.

00:39:32.985 --> 00:39:34.565
It has built for humanity,

00:39:34.626 --> 00:39:36.268
which makes me automatically hate it.

00:39:37.548 --> 00:39:40.510
I'll take it.

00:39:40.550 --> 00:39:42.271
Tell me what it is.

00:39:42.411 --> 00:39:43.992
The front page looks like a

00:39:44.032 --> 00:39:45.554
lot of... We built for humanity.

00:39:45.574 --> 00:39:47.516
What the fuck does that mean?

00:39:47.795 --> 00:39:49.498
Is that the one with the

00:39:49.518 --> 00:39:50.577
upside down fucking...

00:39:51.659 --> 00:39:53.159
website you have to go up no

00:39:53.179 --> 00:39:54.199
that's that's that's very

00:39:54.219 --> 00:39:55.940
true that's very true only

00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:58.500
I'll take the comparison

00:39:58.519 --> 00:39:58.940
yeah I'll take the

00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:00.521
comparison any day I'm sure

00:40:00.541 --> 00:40:01.900
I'll scroll for about seven

00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:02.900
minutes down just going

00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:03.860
what the fuck is going on

00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:05.262
with this thing yeah I also

00:40:05.302 --> 00:40:07.041
yeah that was my issue you

00:40:07.061 --> 00:40:08.121
should have guessed because

00:40:08.141 --> 00:40:09.362
like in australia don't you

00:40:09.422 --> 00:40:10.483
scroll the other way anyway

00:40:10.503 --> 00:40:12.382
oh yeah man because we're

00:40:12.422 --> 00:40:13.882
totally on the other side

00:40:13.902 --> 00:40:14.903
so everything's upside down

00:40:15.164 --> 00:40:15.943
upside down I'm actually

00:40:15.963 --> 00:40:16.684
sitting on the ceiling

00:40:16.724 --> 00:40:19.804
right now wow well all that

00:40:19.844 --> 00:40:20.985
great core strength to do that

00:40:23.052 --> 00:40:23.452
Well, I mean,

00:40:23.472 --> 00:40:24.733
the gravity actually goes the

00:40:24.773 --> 00:40:25.375
other way here.

00:40:25.434 --> 00:40:27.237
So walk outside,

00:40:27.277 --> 00:40:28.117
the house is upside down

00:40:28.137 --> 00:40:29.059
and just float into the sky.

00:40:30.460 --> 00:40:31.521
You got fine clothes there already?

00:40:32.043 --> 00:40:33.063
Does the water in the toilet

00:40:33.083 --> 00:40:33.664
go the other way?

00:40:34.204 --> 00:40:35.867
That is a thing, isn't it?

00:40:35.907 --> 00:40:37.268
We don't actually have water

00:40:37.309 --> 00:40:38.090
in the toilet here.

00:40:38.489 --> 00:40:39.711
We just shit in there and

00:40:39.731 --> 00:40:41.012
then pick it back out and

00:40:41.054 --> 00:40:41.894
put it in a plastic bag.

00:40:43.097 --> 00:40:45.139
I imagine just a giant spider eats it.

00:40:45.420 --> 00:40:47.981
Isn't that my impression of Australia?

00:40:48.041 --> 00:40:48.242
Well,

00:40:48.282 --> 00:40:50.543
sometimes I feed it to the giant spider.

00:40:51.884 --> 00:40:53.505
But, you know, it's really dry here.

00:40:53.545 --> 00:40:54.425
It's like a fucking desert.

00:40:54.726 --> 00:40:56.427
So there's not a lot of

00:40:56.467 --> 00:40:57.268
water to go around.

00:40:57.387 --> 00:40:59.869
I have to go out and ask for

00:40:59.889 --> 00:41:01.670
water from people on the street.

00:41:02.130 --> 00:41:04.012
Do you have a little bit of water?

00:41:04.032 --> 00:41:05.713
We'll do a pate of water.

00:41:05.753 --> 00:41:07.175
Why don't you have water?

00:41:07.195 --> 00:41:08.215
The street people do, yeah.

00:41:08.556 --> 00:41:09.275
I have the house.

00:41:09.295 --> 00:41:10.157
They have the water, so...

00:41:11.545 --> 00:41:11.646
Oh,

00:41:11.726 --> 00:41:13.007
it's like one of those bartering

00:41:13.047 --> 00:41:14.028
societies that you live in.

00:41:14.750 --> 00:41:15.050
Yeah.

00:41:15.090 --> 00:41:15.971
So I have a house.

00:41:15.990 --> 00:41:17.092
Can I have some water?

00:41:17.192 --> 00:41:17.391
Yeah.

00:41:17.431 --> 00:41:17.773
Water.

00:41:18.193 --> 00:41:19.454
Okay.

00:41:20.034 --> 00:41:21.215
But you don't give them anything.

00:41:21.295 --> 00:41:23.858
You just have the house.

00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.682
I have the status of having a house.

00:41:28.003 --> 00:41:28.724
So give me water.

00:41:28.943 --> 00:41:30.005
It's an airdrop, kind of.

00:41:30.925 --> 00:41:31.166
Yeah.

00:41:31.327 --> 00:41:32.347
It's like barter town.

00:41:33.416 --> 00:41:34.336
Tina Turner runs it.

00:41:34.536 --> 00:41:35.257
It was a big cage.

00:41:35.557 --> 00:41:36.757
You guys got to trade water

00:41:36.777 --> 00:41:40.358
for X and Y. You guys saw it, right?

00:41:40.378 --> 00:41:42.539
Yeah, I've seen that.

00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:44.119
I tried to bar the sand.

00:41:44.219 --> 00:41:44.960
It didn't fly.

00:41:45.201 --> 00:41:46.760
No one wants that shit.

00:41:47.141 --> 00:41:48.621
I'm like, give us the computers, man.

00:41:48.822 --> 00:41:49.961
And they're like, don't give a fuck.

00:41:50.661 --> 00:41:51.523
Yeah,

00:41:51.603 --> 00:41:53.143
it's a little... The jump between

00:41:53.182 --> 00:41:56.143
sand and computers is... It's a stretch.

00:41:57.804 --> 00:41:59.405
I mean, it takes like, you know,

00:41:59.465 --> 00:42:00.045
some time.

00:42:00.065 --> 00:42:00.784
Yeah.

00:42:00.804 --> 00:42:01.025
I mean,

00:42:03.112 --> 00:42:04.534
after after the collapse now

00:42:04.574 --> 00:42:06.074
all those second hand hard

00:42:06.114 --> 00:42:07.117
drives aren't going to save

00:42:07.137 --> 00:42:08.297
you only like a really

00:42:08.338 --> 00:42:09.719
really reliable diesel car

00:42:09.739 --> 00:42:13.804
will my my hard drives have

00:42:13.824 --> 00:42:14.945
zero wear my friends

00:42:15.826 --> 00:42:16.646
they're holding their

00:42:16.726 --> 00:42:18.590
resale value oh yeah

00:42:19.150 --> 00:42:19.951
there's all those second

00:42:19.971 --> 00:42:20.791
hand hard drives you buy

00:42:20.831 --> 00:42:21.773
and they're finally finally

00:42:21.793 --> 00:42:22.373
paying off for you

00:42:24.358 --> 00:42:25.918
I don't have secondhand hard drives.

00:42:25.938 --> 00:42:26.539
I don't know where you're

00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:27.239
getting your information.

00:42:27.460 --> 00:42:27.539
Oh,

00:42:27.579 --> 00:42:29.222
those fucking ones old mate fucked me

00:42:29.302 --> 00:42:29.641
over on.

00:42:29.802 --> 00:42:30.543
Yeah, that was weird.

00:42:30.862 --> 00:42:32.143
I sent them back just the other day,

00:42:32.224 --> 00:42:32.543
actually.

00:42:32.804 --> 00:42:33.224
They fucked.

00:42:36.347 --> 00:42:38.789
Anyway, so, Anthony,

00:42:38.949 --> 00:42:43.132
you were going to tell us about Zion.

00:42:44.132 --> 00:42:45.114
I actually really wanted to

00:42:45.153 --> 00:42:45.994
see if I could get through

00:42:46.034 --> 00:42:47.135
this entire podcast now

00:42:47.155 --> 00:42:48.255
we're talking about Zion.

00:42:48.275 --> 00:42:50.998
Well, you can if you want.

00:42:51.965 --> 00:42:54.690
No, I mean... It's fucking 40 minutes in.

00:42:54.710 --> 00:42:55.311
You know the rules.

00:42:55.331 --> 00:42:58.074
We've got to talk about Zion now.

00:42:58.876 --> 00:43:00.458
Is this a fucking format?

00:43:00.659 --> 00:43:02.581
You said it was at like 87

00:43:02.581 --> 00:43:03.282
minutes we did it.

00:43:03.302 --> 00:43:05.867
That was just one time we got excited.

00:43:07.364 --> 00:43:09.025
Well, I'm sorry I'm not exciting you guys.

00:43:09.045 --> 00:43:10.385
That hurts my feelings.

00:43:10.885 --> 00:43:11.626
Well, you know,

00:43:11.666 --> 00:43:12.827
bring all the congratulations.

00:43:13.447 --> 00:43:14.329
I'm fucking trying, guys.

00:43:14.489 --> 00:43:14.809
Anyway,

00:43:15.048 --> 00:43:17.311
Zion... You have shat on the name

00:43:17.351 --> 00:43:18.452
of the fucking show pretty

00:43:18.472 --> 00:43:20.393
hard for a good five minutes.

00:43:20.492 --> 00:43:20.652
No,

00:43:20.713 --> 00:43:22.393
I think the Game of Nodes is a good pun.

00:43:22.574 --> 00:43:23.355
And that's a pun.

00:43:25.697 --> 00:43:25.876
Yeah,

00:43:25.896 --> 00:43:27.318
but this podcast started like

00:43:27.557 --> 00:43:29.039
four-ish years ago, I'm guessing,

00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:31.059
which is when this was a good pun.

00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.442
And now it's nothing.

00:43:34.121 --> 00:43:34.282
Well,

00:43:34.302 --> 00:43:35.963
wasn't the Game of Nodes a testnet of

00:43:36.003 --> 00:43:36.463
Cosmos?

00:43:37.978 --> 00:43:38.197
No.

00:43:39.699 --> 00:43:42.199
No, it was... They did use that, though.

00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:43.300
No, it wasn't Game of Notes, though.

00:43:43.340 --> 00:43:44.079
It was close, though.

00:43:44.139 --> 00:43:46.260
I think they used Game of

00:43:47.242 --> 00:43:49.541
something for... They had Game of Chains.

00:43:49.581 --> 00:43:51.862
They've had a couple of Game of Chains.

00:43:51.882 --> 00:43:54.023
Game of Chains was the first one.

00:43:54.043 --> 00:43:55.063
Game of Stakes was the

00:43:55.123 --> 00:43:59.065
original Cosmos staking thingy-ma-jiggy.

00:43:59.706 --> 00:44:01.007
And then, yeah, they used Game of Chains.

00:44:01.047 --> 00:44:02.987
Oh, the IBC one was Game of Chains,

00:44:03.126 --> 00:44:04.307
and then they had the...

00:44:04.487 --> 00:44:05.708
What was the... Schiltzer,

00:44:05.748 --> 00:44:06.668
you might remember what the...

00:44:07.867 --> 00:44:08.688
I thought that was ICS.

00:44:08.728 --> 00:44:09.949
The shared security.

00:44:12.110 --> 00:44:12.632
Great question.

00:44:13.132 --> 00:44:14.432
I'm in a flame war right now,

00:44:14.452 --> 00:44:15.353
so I'm a little distracted.

00:44:16.313 --> 00:44:17.715
Whatever.

00:44:17.775 --> 00:44:20.016
We shat on ICS.

00:44:21.358 --> 00:44:22.458
I didn't shit on ICS.

00:44:22.978 --> 00:44:25.900
I actually complimented ICS.

00:44:26.242 --> 00:44:27.342
I'll shit on ICS then.

00:44:27.382 --> 00:44:29.164
There we go.

00:44:30.144 --> 00:44:30.625
I'll join you.

00:44:30.985 --> 00:44:33.867
Who was here first?

00:44:37.315 --> 00:44:40.038
Well, Game of Stakes was, but fuck it.

00:44:40.257 --> 00:44:41.518
It's pretty close up.

00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:42.400
Yeah.

00:44:42.621 --> 00:44:44.802
So Game of Stakes episode 105,

00:44:44.802 --> 00:44:45.463
like a Zion.

00:44:47.224 --> 00:44:49.487
And Zion is the blockchain

00:44:49.527 --> 00:44:50.548
built for humanity.

00:44:53.130 --> 00:44:54.452
Did you just read your own website?

00:44:57.784 --> 00:44:59.005
Is that your talking points?

00:44:59.045 --> 00:45:00.586
The fucking headlines?

00:45:00.686 --> 00:45:01.827
It's like I'm looking at a

00:45:01.847 --> 00:45:02.708
word doc right here and

00:45:02.748 --> 00:45:03.268
it's like built for

00:45:03.289 --> 00:45:04.190
humanity and then a bunch

00:45:04.210 --> 00:45:05.150
of blank bullet points.

00:45:06.590 --> 00:45:08.373
Yeah, it's like just placeholders.

00:45:08.512 --> 00:45:10.054
I thought they would have gotten that.

00:45:10.074 --> 00:45:10.153
Shit.

00:45:15.501 --> 00:45:16.322
I'm shooting fire the

00:45:16.362 --> 00:45:17.362
marketing person now.

00:45:17.402 --> 00:45:18.603
I don't know what to talk about.

00:45:19.764 --> 00:45:22.565
On a real fucking topic,

00:45:23.525 --> 00:45:24.666
the way that we talk about Zion,

00:45:24.746 --> 00:45:26.427
it's just a UX-focused chain.

00:45:27.527 --> 00:45:27.907
Ideally,

00:45:27.927 --> 00:45:29.009
the projects that deploy on us

00:45:29.048 --> 00:45:30.329
feel like Web2 experiences.

00:45:30.510 --> 00:45:31.710
That's why we say humanity.

00:45:32.650 --> 00:45:34.110
Protocol-level account abstraction,

00:45:35.172 --> 00:45:36.713
the whole glitz and glamour

00:45:36.733 --> 00:45:37.393
that come with that.

00:45:38.052 --> 00:45:38.554
USDC has a

00:45:40.460 --> 00:45:41.161
Ideally everything's

00:45:41.181 --> 00:45:42.123
denominated in dollars,

00:45:42.163 --> 00:45:43.664
but then settles to a Zion token.

00:45:44.905 --> 00:45:46.146
We launched Testnet about a

00:45:46.186 --> 00:45:47.327
month and a half ago with

00:45:48.548 --> 00:45:49.789
about a million users and

00:45:49.809 --> 00:45:52.012
then 12.5 million transactions.

00:45:53.293 --> 00:45:54.735
Just lit myself on fire last

00:45:54.795 --> 00:45:56.978
week to celebrate mainnet launch.

00:45:57.777 --> 00:45:57.898
Oh,

00:45:57.918 --> 00:45:59.480
three years ago I bought a Banksy art

00:45:59.539 --> 00:46:00.621
piece and I lit it on fire

00:46:01.202 --> 00:46:02.063
and sold that as an NFT.

00:46:04.382 --> 00:46:04.603
Yeah,

00:46:04.623 --> 00:46:05.784
there's a lot that goes on with the

00:46:05.804 --> 00:46:06.184
project.

00:46:06.304 --> 00:46:07.043
But I mean,

00:46:07.063 --> 00:46:07.885
if we really want to go back to

00:46:07.925 --> 00:46:09.105
the tax accounting software,

00:46:09.324 --> 00:46:11.786
I'm not opposed.

00:46:13.027 --> 00:46:13.847
So tell me,

00:46:14.708 --> 00:46:19.869
is this... Is this a blockchain?

00:46:20.849 --> 00:46:21.070
Yes.

00:46:21.471 --> 00:46:22.311
It is a blockchain, yeah.

00:46:22.630 --> 00:46:23.771
But what's the interrupt?

00:46:23.891 --> 00:46:26.572
Are you going to be able to

00:46:26.693 --> 00:46:28.273
use the account abstraction

00:46:28.373 --> 00:46:30.875
from Xi on other chains or...?

00:46:31.331 --> 00:46:32.710
Yeah, so like one thing,

00:46:32.751 --> 00:46:33.391
like I think the winner of

00:46:33.411 --> 00:46:34.731
this last hackathon,

00:46:35.851 --> 00:46:38.273
winner of this last hackathon built away,

00:46:38.773 --> 00:46:39.492
they're called Nomos,

00:46:39.612 --> 00:46:40.592
but effectively they

00:46:40.612 --> 00:46:41.454
utilize interchange

00:46:41.474 --> 00:46:43.373
accounts to effectively

00:46:43.393 --> 00:46:44.134
take what we built with

00:46:44.153 --> 00:46:45.954
generalized abstraction for an easy login,

00:46:46.375 --> 00:46:49.195
and then being able to buy

00:46:49.235 --> 00:46:50.516
and sell NFTs on Talos,

00:46:50.536 --> 00:46:51.195
which is the NFT

00:46:51.235 --> 00:46:52.657
marketplace on Injective.

00:46:53.137 --> 00:46:56.338
And so starting off with IBC, with ICA,

00:46:56.398 --> 00:46:57.338
and then eventually like,

00:46:58.208 --> 00:46:59.369
know whether it's union or

00:46:59.449 --> 00:47:01.490
polymer or landslide kind

00:47:01.510 --> 00:47:02.751
of going to avax and these

00:47:02.791 --> 00:47:04.291
other chains and being able

00:47:04.311 --> 00:47:07.114
to interrupt that way so

00:47:07.153 --> 00:47:08.315
how long until you become

00:47:08.394 --> 00:47:12.456
evm ask like union or

00:47:12.657 --> 00:47:14.637
polymer I guess I don't

00:47:14.657 --> 00:47:16.739
know or maybe well that's

00:47:16.759 --> 00:47:18.159
that's the cosmos way right

00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:19.300
you you get your product

00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:20.501
and then you pivot to evm

00:47:20.521 --> 00:47:22.481
in like two months yeah not

00:47:22.501 --> 00:47:23.483
just what do you think about that

00:47:26.197 --> 00:47:26.418
Yeah,

00:47:26.458 --> 00:47:29.438
I think that we need another EVM on

00:47:29.458 --> 00:47:30.059
the Cosmos.

00:47:30.298 --> 00:47:31.260
I think that it hasn't been

00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:32.800
tried enough times and

00:47:32.900 --> 00:47:33.920
always results in failure.

00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:36.001
Well,

00:47:36.061 --> 00:47:37.882
unless you can just copy paste

00:47:37.942 --> 00:47:41.603
fucking contracts, the Uniswap contract.

00:47:41.862 --> 00:47:42.702
Do you even have a chain?

00:47:43.623 --> 00:47:43.882
Yeah.

00:47:44.003 --> 00:47:44.202
I mean,

00:47:44.222 --> 00:47:47.043
like if you don't have a yield

00:47:47.123 --> 00:47:49.065
aggregator with 20% on stable coins,

00:47:49.644 --> 00:47:50.704
what the fuck are you doing?

00:47:51.806 --> 00:47:52.925
At points and points,

00:47:53.206 --> 00:47:54.586
you need points because

00:47:54.606 --> 00:47:55.567
then you're not a blockchain either.

00:47:56.650 --> 00:47:59.112
So I did actually, I did read up into,

00:47:59.152 --> 00:48:01.512
you know, the protocol.

00:48:01.532 --> 00:48:02.012
Humanity.

00:48:02.032 --> 00:48:03.672
Yeah, humanity.

00:48:03.713 --> 00:48:04.652
I read into humanity.

00:48:04.713 --> 00:48:05.253
Didn't like it.

00:48:05.313 --> 00:48:05.733
Turned around.

00:48:06.052 --> 00:48:08.233
Came back.

00:48:09.074 --> 00:48:09.534
Checks out.

00:48:09.554 --> 00:48:10.574
But anyway.

00:48:11.074 --> 00:48:11.474
Whatever.

00:48:11.494 --> 00:48:12.233
Yeah, fuck it.

00:48:12.293 --> 00:48:13.375
I like humanity.

00:48:14.175 --> 00:48:14.855
That ain't for me.

00:48:17.056 --> 00:48:17.715
Did you want to tell us a

00:48:17.735 --> 00:48:20.376
little bit just like about the.

00:48:20.496 --> 00:48:20.735
No.

00:48:21.817 --> 00:48:22.336
No, okay.

00:48:22.516 --> 00:48:22.817
Fuck it.

00:48:22.896 --> 00:48:23.157
Sorry.

00:48:23.237 --> 00:48:23.536
I tried.

00:48:26.097 --> 00:48:26.657
All right, fine.

00:48:26.697 --> 00:48:28.679
What were you going to ask?

00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.422
Like, you know, I'm a bit of a dum-dum,

00:48:32.481 --> 00:48:32.681
right?

00:48:32.961 --> 00:48:35.784
I'm not a coder or anything like that.

00:48:35.884 --> 00:48:38.246
But I did sort of find it

00:48:38.306 --> 00:48:41.108
interesting that you've got, you know,

00:48:41.148 --> 00:48:42.989
the email authentication methods,

00:48:43.588 --> 00:48:45.070
other like Web2 type

00:48:45.369 --> 00:48:46.351
authentication methods,

00:48:46.431 --> 00:48:49.313
presumably like some sort of auth method.

00:48:49.972 --> 00:48:51.414
O type situation.

00:48:51.755 --> 00:48:52.594
But you've also got like the

00:48:52.675 --> 00:48:55.978
regular... Sorry, was that OAuth?

00:48:56.038 --> 00:48:57.298
But because you're Australian,

00:48:57.318 --> 00:48:59.661
you just had to guess OAuth.

00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:00.742
You just had to guess it.

00:49:01.963 --> 00:49:02.884
It's just like that.

00:49:03.384 --> 00:49:04.244
You authorize it.

00:49:04.264 --> 00:49:05.025
It's author.

00:49:05.246 --> 00:49:05.666
Author.

00:49:07.568 --> 00:49:09.329
Upside down and backwards, baby.

00:49:10.210 --> 00:49:13.012
But you... You type on the

00:49:13.052 --> 00:49:14.112
keyboard and you say,

00:49:14.152 --> 00:49:16.775
I want to author on the blocker.

00:49:17.635 --> 00:49:18.277
On the old blocker.

00:49:18.317 --> 00:49:18.496
Like...

00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:20.440
Yeah, I mean,

00:49:21.342 --> 00:49:21.961
I should have probably

00:49:22.001 --> 00:49:25.764
renamed it to be like... No,

00:49:25.945 --> 00:49:26.945
something... I was trying

00:49:26.965 --> 00:49:28.126
to think of something Bazaar-ish,

00:49:28.166 --> 00:49:29.567
but I can't really come up

00:49:29.586 --> 00:49:30.027
with it right now.

00:49:30.507 --> 00:49:31.427
But you've got regular

00:49:32.168 --> 00:49:33.608
authentication as well, right?

00:49:33.849 --> 00:49:36.331
So you can use regular wallets with it.

00:49:36.831 --> 00:49:40.293
But how does that sort of

00:49:40.532 --> 00:49:42.653
work on the back end?

00:49:42.713 --> 00:49:43.054
Like is...

00:49:44.365 --> 00:49:44.846
I don't get it.

00:49:45.226 --> 00:49:46.327
How does it all come together?

00:49:47.166 --> 00:49:47.347
Like,

00:49:47.668 --> 00:49:49.869
is there any technical information

00:49:49.909 --> 00:49:52.510
that you wanted to like, you know,

00:49:52.570 --> 00:49:53.710
that's easy for someone

00:49:53.751 --> 00:49:55.271
like me to understand or,

00:49:55.711 --> 00:49:57.492
or is it just like, well,

00:49:57.753 --> 00:49:58.373
if you don't get it,

00:49:58.413 --> 00:49:59.693
don't worry type situation.

00:50:00.114 --> 00:50:00.673
It just works.

00:50:00.833 --> 00:50:02.135
But it would be easier for

00:50:02.155 --> 00:50:03.355
me to say the last one, but Montes,

00:50:03.394 --> 00:50:03.976
you want to take a,

00:50:03.996 --> 00:50:04.996
you want to take a stab at that one?

00:50:06.617 --> 00:50:06.876
Yeah.

00:50:07.516 --> 00:50:09.759
Uh, every time I say account abstraction,

00:50:09.778 --> 00:50:10.458
Anthony,

00:50:11.211 --> 00:50:12.391
goes on a whole tirade about

00:50:12.411 --> 00:50:13.432
all of the abstractions.

00:50:13.452 --> 00:50:15.092
So I try to shy away from that term.

00:50:15.413 --> 00:50:17.273
Okay, first of all, yes.

00:50:19.855 --> 00:50:21.094
All of your accounts are

00:50:21.155 --> 00:50:23.096
Cosmos and smart contract instances.

00:50:24.076 --> 00:50:26.597
And we store data about your

00:50:26.657 --> 00:50:27.777
particular authentication

00:50:27.817 --> 00:50:28.777
methods in there.

00:50:29.418 --> 00:50:30.577
So for instance,

00:50:31.318 --> 00:50:32.559
the pub keys of the wallets

00:50:32.579 --> 00:50:33.858
you've connected for the

00:50:36.659 --> 00:50:39.800
the identifier of the web auth and like

00:50:40.672 --> 00:50:43.972
record that you're using, uh, the,

00:50:44.733 --> 00:50:46.934
the subject ID and the

00:50:47.114 --> 00:50:49.855
audience for our JWT and

00:50:50.375 --> 00:50:51.034
all of those things.

00:50:51.114 --> 00:50:53.876
Let us do basically it forks

00:50:53.996 --> 00:50:54.775
where signature

00:50:54.815 --> 00:50:56.536
verification works or

00:50:56.735 --> 00:50:58.637
checks in a normal transaction.

00:50:59.177 --> 00:51:00.838
And it just calls this contract and says,

00:51:00.898 --> 00:51:01.197
Hey,

00:51:02.257 --> 00:51:04.018
if somebody said that with this

00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:05.398
transaction data and this

00:51:05.478 --> 00:51:07.318
signature that you,

00:51:07.579 --> 00:51:08.460
this contract are

00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:09.420
submitting a transaction.

00:51:10.137 --> 00:51:13.159
This is a Larry zero X's

00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:14.740
account extraction module

00:51:15.041 --> 00:51:17.443
that he posted for Cosmos community.

00:51:18.804 --> 00:51:20.005
And we wrote a custom contract.

00:51:20.025 --> 00:51:21.927
We'll let you store a map of

00:51:21.947 --> 00:51:24.889
different keys, uh, you know, rotate them,

00:51:24.989 --> 00:51:27.010
remove them, add them, blah, blah, blah.

00:51:27.771 --> 00:51:30.152
And as we basically,

00:51:30.233 --> 00:51:31.875
as we get more concepts

00:51:31.934 --> 00:51:33.675
that can be validated,

00:51:33.755 --> 00:51:35.036
so essentially anything

00:51:35.056 --> 00:51:35.938
that can be signed,

00:51:36.798 --> 00:51:39.581
we can validate them in this contract.

00:51:40.494 --> 00:51:42.155
to make sure that the person

00:51:42.195 --> 00:51:43.217
submitting the transaction

00:51:43.317 --> 00:51:45.237
actually is someone who can

00:51:45.898 --> 00:51:47.099
authorize via this contract.

00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:51.400
So does it does that mean

00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:55.463
that you can have like multiple, you know,

00:51:55.543 --> 00:51:56.945
authorization methods on

00:51:57.005 --> 00:51:58.525
the same account?

00:52:00.407 --> 00:52:00.706
Okay.

00:52:00.887 --> 00:52:02.768
And so, you know,

00:52:02.788 --> 00:52:04.168
my only experience with it

00:52:04.309 --> 00:52:07.530
is that I logged onto the site

00:52:08.570 --> 00:52:09.811
gave it my email address.

00:52:10.251 --> 00:52:11.713
It sent me a code.

00:52:12.313 --> 00:52:15.936
So the, so the code, does it,

00:52:17.197 --> 00:52:20.119
does anything rely on like a third party,

00:52:22.661 --> 00:52:23.041
you know,

00:52:23.382 --> 00:52:26.445
web two application or is it

00:52:26.545 --> 00:52:28.085
like self-contained?

00:52:29.527 --> 00:52:31.108
So right now we're using a

00:52:31.349 --> 00:52:34.371
third party email validation provider,

00:52:34.411 --> 00:52:35.492
like a web two email

00:52:35.512 --> 00:52:37.614
validation provider that,

00:52:37.929 --> 00:52:39.351
posts the public keys of the

00:52:39.391 --> 00:52:40.871
keys that sign for our project,

00:52:40.951 --> 00:52:42.711
and then we validate against those.

00:52:43.791 --> 00:52:45.713
We are interested in and

00:52:46.353 --> 00:52:47.833
it's just hard to pursue

00:52:48.034 --> 00:52:48.994
along with everything else.

00:52:49.914 --> 00:52:50.934
Get ready for buzzword.

00:52:51.574 --> 00:52:52.074
Woo!

00:52:54.476 --> 00:52:55.576
ZK, baby!

00:52:55.596 --> 00:52:56.797
ZK, baby!

00:52:56.856 --> 00:52:57.717
I'm like, man, just give me that.

00:52:57.737 --> 00:52:58.797
I can fucking sell that shit.

00:52:59.878 --> 00:53:01.018
Build for ZK humanity.

00:53:03.378 --> 00:53:04.778
So ZK email is where we want

00:53:04.838 --> 00:53:06.260
that to eventually be, but to get

00:53:06.822 --> 00:53:12.403
moving quicker or doing, uh, validated, uh,

00:53:13.324 --> 00:53:14.244
it's always just like how

00:53:14.364 --> 00:53:16.224
many external parties you

00:53:16.244 --> 00:53:17.206
can get out of the system.

00:53:17.726 --> 00:53:19.346
Cause your email provider is

00:53:19.465 --> 00:53:20.847
always going to be somebody

00:53:20.907 --> 00:53:23.467
who could take control of

00:53:23.507 --> 00:53:25.088
your account if they felt like it.

00:53:26.307 --> 00:53:26.447
Uh,

00:53:26.628 --> 00:53:29.809
so like ZK mail doesn't get you away

00:53:29.829 --> 00:53:30.349
from that either.

00:53:30.369 --> 00:53:31.909
Yeah.

00:53:31.969 --> 00:53:34.230
So, you know, it sort of is a point of.

00:53:36.275 --> 00:53:40.157
security risk I suppose but

00:53:40.177 --> 00:53:42.818
I mean another question I

00:53:42.858 --> 00:53:44.199
sort of had on the security

00:53:44.219 --> 00:53:46.081
side of things is is it you

00:53:46.121 --> 00:53:48.882
know feasible that um you

00:53:48.902 --> 00:53:50.202
know there can be cookie

00:53:50.242 --> 00:53:51.382
hijacking and stuff like

00:53:51.402 --> 00:53:53.943
that which would sort of

00:53:54.224 --> 00:53:55.204
allow access to those

00:53:55.264 --> 00:53:56.184
accounts as well at the

00:53:56.204 --> 00:53:58.985
moment so not the way we've

00:53:59.005 --> 00:53:59.507
designed it um

00:54:01.632 --> 00:54:02.273
Basically,

00:54:02.313 --> 00:54:03.833
the way it works is you create

00:54:03.853 --> 00:54:07.836
your account and then these dApps,

00:54:07.856 --> 00:54:09.478
they spin up like an

00:54:09.518 --> 00:54:11.978
ephemeral key that they can use to sign.

00:54:12.099 --> 00:54:14.320
And then you go through sort

00:54:14.340 --> 00:54:16.541
of an OAuth flow where you

00:54:17.461 --> 00:54:18.983
give AuthZ permissions to

00:54:19.023 --> 00:54:20.744
that ephemeral key to do

00:54:20.983 --> 00:54:21.945
only what that particular

00:54:21.965 --> 00:54:22.826
dApp is asking for.

00:54:23.786 --> 00:54:26.447
So it kicks you over to a

00:54:26.487 --> 00:54:27.527
dashboard and it's like, hey,

00:54:27.547 --> 00:54:28.449
this thing is asking for

00:54:28.469 --> 00:54:29.268
the rights to do X, Y, Z.

00:54:31.143 --> 00:54:33.085
And as we build out the UX for this,

00:54:33.105 --> 00:54:35.465
it'll be like, this is an unsafe action.

00:54:35.485 --> 00:54:36.806
We don't recommend you accepting this,

00:54:37.067 --> 00:54:39.027
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:54:39.128 --> 00:54:40.447
So then the dApps themselves

00:54:41.409 --> 00:54:42.509
have this key that can,

00:54:43.188 --> 00:54:45.050
their flow stays very clean

00:54:45.610 --> 00:54:46.291
and that they have this

00:54:46.351 --> 00:54:47.451
in-memory key that can only

00:54:47.490 --> 00:54:48.811
do a certain subset of actions.

00:54:49.452 --> 00:54:50.271
They can have that running

00:54:50.291 --> 00:54:52.914
in the background and you

00:54:52.954 --> 00:54:54.994
can feel fairly safe that

00:54:55.954 --> 00:54:57.135
this dApp isn't gonna drug you.

00:54:59.201 --> 00:55:00.601
or not do anything that you

00:55:00.661 --> 00:55:02.344
didn't give it explicit permission to do.

00:55:04.264 --> 00:55:05.405
Which may be rugging you.

00:55:06.547 --> 00:55:06.987
Yeah.

00:55:07.068 --> 00:55:07.949
So, I mean,

00:55:08.068 --> 00:55:10.150
part of the decentralized

00:55:10.190 --> 00:55:11.210
internet and like, you know,

00:55:11.291 --> 00:55:12.693
freedom and sovereignty is like,

00:55:13.353 --> 00:55:14.914
if you want someone to rug you,

00:55:15.335 --> 00:55:16.255
then you should be allowed

00:55:16.356 --> 00:55:18.737
to give them that opportunity.

00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:21.880
That's our motto at the company.

00:55:24.114 --> 00:55:26.076
That is that neon sign just

00:55:26.135 --> 00:55:27.577
out of the background there.

00:55:27.617 --> 00:55:28.737
It's like, choose rich,

00:55:29.016 --> 00:55:31.797
and then if you want someone to rug you,

00:55:32.057 --> 00:55:32.858
let them rug you.

00:55:34.139 --> 00:55:34.659
Choose rich.

00:55:35.059 --> 00:55:38.981
I thought it was live, laugh, love.

00:55:40.041 --> 00:55:41.942
I did want to do the read, write, own,

00:55:42.061 --> 00:55:45.463
but in the font of live, laugh, love.

00:55:47.103 --> 00:55:48.184
There's a bar across the

00:55:48.224 --> 00:55:51.945
road from our old offices that says live,

00:55:52.005 --> 00:55:53.186
laugh, shut the fuck up.

00:55:54.032 --> 00:55:55.153
Love that.

00:55:55.193 --> 00:55:56.175
It's just over the bar.

00:55:57.956 --> 00:56:01.699
Like in that same script as well.

00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:02.820
So it's like, live, laugh,

00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:03.842
shut the fuck up.

00:56:03.862 --> 00:56:05.943
It's great.

00:56:06.503 --> 00:56:06.684
I mean,

00:56:06.724 --> 00:56:09.206
it's not really like a fucking

00:56:09.246 --> 00:56:10.387
three or four letter thing, though,

00:56:10.407 --> 00:56:10.527
is it?

00:56:10.586 --> 00:56:11.447
It's like quite long.

00:56:11.889 --> 00:56:12.489
It's not a pun.

00:56:13.969 --> 00:56:14.610
Okay, again,

00:56:14.630 --> 00:56:17.413
I don't think you know what a pun is.

00:56:21.068 --> 00:56:21.510
Oh, man.

00:56:22.349 --> 00:56:23.391
Wait, I'm from England.

00:56:23.411 --> 00:56:24.612
I know what a fucking pun is.

00:56:25.492 --> 00:56:28.134
Again, I think you guys got dark humor.

00:56:28.333 --> 00:56:29.253
I appreciate that.

00:56:29.394 --> 00:56:30.994
Ricky Gervais, hilarious.

00:56:31.596 --> 00:56:33.436
Ricky Gervais is a ballad, but yes,

00:56:33.556 --> 00:56:33.996
continue.

00:56:34.358 --> 00:56:35.498
He's a ballerina?

00:56:35.518 --> 00:56:36.858
He's a ballad.

00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:37.679
Oh.

00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:39.621
Hold on.

00:56:39.641 --> 00:56:40.021
Not a pun.

00:56:40.240 --> 00:56:41.601
That's not a ballad.

00:56:41.661 --> 00:56:42.222
He's just a cunt.

00:56:42.422 --> 00:56:43.362
Oh, my God.

00:56:43.382 --> 00:56:44.164
Really?

00:56:44.423 --> 00:56:45.925
You should image search it, actually.

00:56:45.945 --> 00:56:47.965
I don't want to do that one.

00:56:49.264 --> 00:56:50.184
I'm on the office Wi-Fi.

00:56:50.344 --> 00:56:52.864
I'm going to get yelled at again.

00:56:52.905 --> 00:56:53.304
Oh, look.

00:56:53.864 --> 00:56:54.565
Pumped up fun.

00:56:54.625 --> 00:56:56.664
A new ticket just fucking popped up.

00:56:57.125 --> 00:56:57.405
Ben.

00:56:58.306 --> 00:56:59.565
There goes another Solana.

00:57:00.666 --> 00:57:01.485
I think I saw a stat that

00:57:01.505 --> 00:57:02.865
there was like 2,500 meme

00:57:03.367 --> 00:57:05.047
coins put on Solana in the last 24 hours.

00:57:05.927 --> 00:57:07.086
Per second.

00:57:07.266 --> 00:57:08.007
Are you serious?

00:57:08.347 --> 00:57:08.608
Wow.

00:57:09.867 --> 00:57:10.728
I mean, we're back, baby.

00:57:10.748 --> 00:57:12.467
Don't call me on that.

00:57:12.527 --> 00:57:13.088
They are 99.99% rugs.

00:57:17.885 --> 00:57:20.007
no way no way as low as that

00:57:20.907 --> 00:57:23.250
way more way more nice the

00:57:23.429 --> 00:57:26.391
the rugs the rugs are like

00:57:27.233 --> 00:57:29.534
so like they don't even

00:57:29.574 --> 00:57:30.755
wait anymore they just like

00:57:30.815 --> 00:57:32.697
go in buy the initial buy

00:57:32.737 --> 00:57:34.679
wait until anyone buys it

00:57:34.699 --> 00:57:36.039
literally anyone five

00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:37.860
dollars it's like point

00:57:37.942 --> 00:57:40.684
point one point one soul liquidity rug

00:57:44.240 --> 00:57:46.161
Not even spicy rugs.

00:57:47.481 --> 00:57:48.922
Not even gourmet rugs.

00:57:48.942 --> 00:57:50.623
You're looking for a gourmet

00:57:50.663 --> 00:57:51.943
rugging experience.

00:57:52.822 --> 00:57:55.083
At non-gourmet rugging prices.

00:57:56.023 --> 00:57:56.824
Exactly.

00:57:56.844 --> 00:57:58.784
It costs 0.02 sol to put the

00:57:58.824 --> 00:57:59.764
fucking thing up there.

00:57:59.804 --> 00:58:00.784
So as long as you're getting

00:58:00.824 --> 00:58:04.266
more than 0.02 sol in rug, then boom,

00:58:04.545 --> 00:58:04.985
off you go.

00:58:05.226 --> 00:58:05.826
Off to the races.

00:58:06.606 --> 00:58:09.106
You're making minimum wage as a rugger.

00:58:09.126 --> 00:58:09.226
Yeah.

00:58:10.398 --> 00:58:12.800
it ain't much but it's

00:58:12.860 --> 00:58:14.742
honest work exactly I don't

00:58:14.782 --> 00:58:16.362
hear enough credit being

00:58:16.402 --> 00:58:17.764
given to working class

00:58:17.884 --> 00:58:19.945
rugging you know just at

00:58:20.005 --> 00:58:23.067
the coalface punching in 9

00:58:23.067 --> 00:58:26.168
to 5 to take money from

00:58:26.289 --> 00:58:27.730
idiots you know just fully

00:58:28.369 --> 00:58:31.072
take Null's money man it's

00:58:31.112 --> 00:58:33.253
a difficult by the way I do

00:58:33.293 --> 00:58:34.713
want to clarify that when I

00:58:34.773 --> 00:58:35.994
said that Dog Whiff Hat was

00:58:36.034 --> 00:58:36.954
in the top 100 it's

00:58:37.014 --> 00:58:38.175
actually number 49 holy shit

00:58:42.677 --> 00:58:44.538
That is impressive.

00:58:46.237 --> 00:58:46.958
Yeah, arguably.

00:58:48.539 --> 00:58:49.639
Kind of sums up this whole industry,

00:58:49.659 --> 00:58:49.900
I think.

00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:51.981
But it has a hat.

00:58:53.101 --> 00:58:53.440
It does.

00:58:53.460 --> 00:58:54.762
It's a dog with a hat.

00:58:55.481 --> 00:58:55.762
It does.

00:58:55.762 --> 00:58:56.601
48, actually,

00:58:56.641 --> 00:58:57.503
since we've been on the call.

00:58:58.503 --> 00:58:58.902
No way.

00:58:59.023 --> 00:58:59.483
It just changed.

00:58:59.503 --> 00:58:59.983
Yeah, it's on 48.

00:59:00.684 --> 00:59:01.764
Dude, it literally... Oh,

00:59:01.784 --> 00:59:02.405
that's incredible.

00:59:02.525 --> 00:59:02.704
It's 48.

00:59:02.744 --> 00:59:03.344
Oh, I love that.

00:59:03.804 --> 00:59:03.945
It's 48.

00:59:04.284 --> 00:59:05.465
I mean, I love that.

00:59:05.465 --> 00:59:11.315
577 million volume and a

00:59:11.434 --> 00:59:13.074
market cap of dog with hat

00:59:13.235 --> 00:59:14.655
of 2.6 billion.

00:59:16.476 --> 00:59:17.056
I love this industry.

00:59:17.076 --> 00:59:17.735
All right, fuck it.

00:59:17.755 --> 00:59:18.096
There you go.

00:59:18.115 --> 00:59:19.916
I'm putting my net worth in this today.

00:59:20.697 --> 00:59:21.177
Today.

00:59:21.496 --> 00:59:21.916
Today.

00:59:22.996 --> 00:59:23.817
Put this on hold.

00:59:24.617 --> 00:59:25.958
Anyone have a quick way to link?

00:59:25.998 --> 00:59:27.498
Valuation is 5 billion.

00:59:27.518 --> 00:59:27.498
2.6.

00:59:28.878 --> 00:59:30.298
Dog with hat is half of that.

00:59:30.778 --> 00:59:31.018
Yeah.

00:59:31.378 --> 00:59:31.539
Yep.

00:59:31.838 --> 00:59:31.958
Yep.

00:59:32.795 --> 00:59:32.936
Well,

00:59:32.956 --> 00:59:36.936
a dog with fat might have more utility.

00:59:39.038 --> 00:59:40.898
I mean, they're both on Kraken, right?

00:59:40.998 --> 00:59:41.657
So, I mean,

00:59:41.737 --> 00:59:45.338
they're both exit liquidity from wherever,

00:59:45.378 --> 00:59:45.579
man.

00:59:46.780 --> 00:59:47.659
To wherever, man.

00:59:47.900 --> 00:59:49.400
It's up 32% in 24 hours.

00:59:49.420 --> 00:59:51.501
It's literally a dog without fat.

00:59:51.521 --> 00:59:52.681
That's like a totally

00:59:53.001 --> 00:59:54.702
unreversible situation.

00:59:55.161 --> 00:59:55.762
Who created this?

00:59:55.782 --> 00:59:59.342
Imagine it's like just about

00:59:59.382 --> 01:00:01.543
to beat Monero 2, which like

01:00:04.130 --> 01:00:04.789
It's moving up.

01:00:06.391 --> 01:00:06.811
Good for it.

01:00:07.210 --> 01:00:08.070
It's going to be on the Sphere,

01:00:08.110 --> 01:00:08.592
I'm telling you.

01:00:09.211 --> 01:00:10.831
Their website is pretty pro, though,

01:00:11.032 --> 01:00:12.952
and doesn't fucking mention humans.

01:00:13.032 --> 01:00:14.112
It is pretty good, actually.

01:00:14.333 --> 01:00:15.333
You guys remind me of the

01:00:15.974 --> 01:00:19.434
ETH rocks back in the day, which was,

01:00:20.175 --> 01:00:21.016
we like the rocks.

01:00:22.516 --> 01:00:22.735
Right.

01:00:23.777 --> 01:00:26.057
It's giving that energy pretty hardcore.

01:00:28.798 --> 01:00:30.018
I mean, they've spent at least a good...

01:00:31.746 --> 01:00:33.447
i don't know 150 bucks on

01:00:33.527 --> 01:00:35.168
someone like you know

01:00:35.208 --> 01:00:36.009
making I mean it's

01:00:36.048 --> 01:00:37.369
literally a dog with a hat

01:00:37.990 --> 01:00:40.431
so that's what it says I

01:00:40.452 --> 01:00:41.472
mean it doesn't even need

01:00:41.552 --> 01:00:43.152
fire shop you just jam a

01:00:43.193 --> 01:00:44.153
hat on your dog and take a

01:00:44.193 --> 01:00:45.134
couple of photos with him

01:00:45.173 --> 01:00:46.735
with guns and you know yeah

01:00:47.195 --> 01:00:48.596
you don't even need the

01:00:48.635 --> 01:00:49.797
guns you just need to be

01:00:49.976 --> 01:00:52.818
with a hat just hat just

01:00:52.878 --> 01:00:54.900
like a dog is for life not

01:00:54.940 --> 01:00:58.481
just for coins so there is like a

01:00:59.864 --> 01:01:01.425
It's fixed costs and variable costs,

01:01:01.505 --> 01:01:01.726
right?

01:01:01.746 --> 01:01:05.128
What the fuck are you on?

01:01:05.148 --> 01:01:05.628
Well,

01:01:05.829 --> 01:01:09.652
we're breaking artifact and usurpers

01:01:09.693 --> 01:01:10.213
first rule,

01:01:10.233 --> 01:01:12.215
which is never be left with a

01:01:12.275 --> 01:01:13.255
bag of something you have

01:01:13.295 --> 01:01:14.637
to maintain after all the

01:01:14.677 --> 01:01:15.458
party goes away.

01:01:15.478 --> 01:01:16.980
You're still going to have that dog.

01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:22.585
It's up 1,100% in what, a week?

01:01:23.626 --> 01:01:23.865
I mean,

01:01:23.885 --> 01:01:25.407
it seems like a good investment to me,

01:01:25.447 --> 01:01:25.648
folks.

01:01:26.822 --> 01:01:27.043
I mean,

01:01:27.063 --> 01:01:29.105
that was in the show notes last week.

01:01:29.764 --> 01:01:30.646
Financial advice.

01:01:32.126 --> 01:01:33.367
That is financial advice.

01:01:34.447 --> 01:01:35.768
Do we not want to... We

01:01:35.809 --> 01:01:36.809
should put our money where

01:01:36.829 --> 01:01:37.751
our mouth is and we should

01:01:37.811 --> 01:01:39.711
all go buy right now.

01:01:40.112 --> 01:01:40.472
You should.

01:01:40.693 --> 01:01:42.193
I'm just... I'm basking in

01:01:42.233 --> 01:01:44.514
the comparison between, you know,

01:01:44.554 --> 01:01:46.556
Solana and Ethereum.

01:01:48.617 --> 01:01:48.958
Do tell.

01:01:48.978 --> 01:01:49.099
The...

01:01:49.911 --> 01:01:50.771
Well, I mean,

01:01:50.853 --> 01:01:53.994
the draw card for Dog Whiff

01:01:54.054 --> 01:01:56.536
Hat is that it is literally

01:01:56.996 --> 01:01:57.795
a Dog Whiff Hat.

01:01:58.737 --> 01:02:01.117
Absolutely.

01:02:01.197 --> 01:02:03.338
Dog Whiff Hat isn't just a cryptocurrency.

01:02:03.838 --> 01:02:04.940
It's a symbol of progress

01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:07.141
for futuristic transactions,

01:02:07.661 --> 01:02:10.143
a beacon for those who think ahead.

01:02:10.822 --> 01:02:12.204
It's clear that the future

01:02:12.244 --> 01:02:13.664
belongs to those who

01:02:13.724 --> 01:02:15.945
embrace innovations like Whiff.

01:02:19.010 --> 01:02:21.311
transcending boundaries and

01:02:21.612 --> 01:02:23.954
paving a new era in finance

01:02:24.153 --> 01:02:26.054
and technology literally a

01:02:26.074 --> 01:02:29.177
dog with hat um so you know

01:02:29.577 --> 01:02:30.516
things are going against

01:02:30.556 --> 01:02:34.059
ethereum not a dog no hat

01:02:38.260 --> 01:02:39.641
things going against solana

01:02:39.942 --> 01:02:40.902
I mean that's a pretty

01:02:41.063 --> 01:02:43.764
sophisticated thesis I

01:02:43.784 --> 01:02:44.724
think I have a copy of the

01:02:44.804 --> 01:02:45.985
intelligent investor nearby

01:02:46.045 --> 01:02:47.065
and there is a chapter that

01:02:47.126 --> 01:02:48.206
pretty much sums all this up

01:02:49.827 --> 01:02:50.226
Yeah, I mean,

01:02:50.266 --> 01:02:52.568
there's like Benjamin

01:02:52.628 --> 01:02:54.588
Graham's main talking point, right?

01:02:54.648 --> 01:02:56.849
Is that the dog must have a hat.

01:02:57.190 --> 01:02:59.130
As long as it has, it's with a hat,

01:02:59.231 --> 01:03:00.291
I think then it's fine.

01:03:01.070 --> 01:03:03.672
If it has a hat, then it has a buyer.

01:03:07.373 --> 01:03:08.893
Long-term value is derived

01:03:08.974 --> 01:03:10.574
by the quality of the hat.

01:03:11.074 --> 01:03:12.155
So you must pick up,

01:03:12.916 --> 01:03:15.197
take the hat off the dog.

01:03:16.331 --> 01:03:18.952
Potentially be savaged.

01:03:19.614 --> 01:03:21.335
Yeah.

01:03:21.735 --> 01:03:22.376
No, that's a pun.

01:03:24.157 --> 01:03:25.659
See, take note.

01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:28.240
I don't need to take note.

01:03:29.402 --> 01:03:33.804
Um, so, uh, so, so how come you guys, uh,

01:03:34.266 --> 01:03:34.965
you said that you're going

01:03:34.985 --> 01:03:36.467
to launch without the zero

01:03:36.487 --> 01:03:37.668
knowledge circuit in place.

01:03:37.728 --> 01:03:39.690
Is that what's the roadmap for that?

01:03:39.710 --> 01:03:41.431
I think a $200,000 audit.

01:03:41.452 --> 01:03:41.572
Right.

01:03:47.389 --> 01:03:48.630
So there, so it is like,

01:03:49.030 --> 01:03:49.989
it is code complete,

01:03:50.010 --> 01:03:51.050
but it's literally just like,

01:03:51.190 --> 01:03:53.012
it's fucking expensive and

01:03:53.052 --> 01:03:53.873
there's some additional

01:03:54.172 --> 01:03:54.972
hoops to jump through.

01:03:54.992 --> 01:03:57.173
It would definitely be, I mean, Mantis is,

01:03:57.454 --> 01:03:59.014
you could take this, but it's definitely,

01:03:59.396 --> 01:04:01.597
it's definitely more of a, you know,

01:04:02.956 --> 01:04:03.898
post main net thing.

01:04:04.978 --> 01:04:05.719
Mantis, you want to take that?

01:04:06.358 --> 01:04:07.980
It'd be a delay.

01:04:08.579 --> 01:04:09.920
I mean,

01:04:09.981 --> 01:04:11.641
anything like getting audits on

01:04:11.882 --> 01:04:13.742
Cosmos chains to start is

01:04:14.003 --> 01:04:15.724
between like 50 and a hundred grand.

01:04:16.605 --> 01:04:16.885
And yeah,

01:04:17.380 --> 01:04:19.302
Auditing zero knowledge

01:04:19.342 --> 01:04:20.784
proofs usually involves

01:04:21.224 --> 01:04:24.507
auditing the entirety of the language.

01:04:25.827 --> 01:04:27.248
And there's only like two or

01:04:27.289 --> 01:04:29.030
three firms that are willing to do that.

01:04:29.469 --> 01:04:32.572
And it takes a long time and

01:04:32.612 --> 01:04:33.353
it's expensive.

01:04:34.594 --> 01:04:37.115
The ZK email team though, they have,

01:04:37.456 --> 01:04:38.757
they have working examples.

01:04:38.836 --> 01:04:39.677
They do like proof of

01:04:39.777 --> 01:04:43.280
Twitter via validating the

01:04:44.416 --> 01:04:46.097
forgot password email you

01:04:46.137 --> 01:04:48.219
receive from Twitter and

01:04:48.338 --> 01:04:49.518
running a regex inside of it.

01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:52.179
We're currently working on a

01:04:52.219 --> 01:04:53.880
version that's similar to that,

01:04:54.101 --> 01:04:55.521
just in reverse,

01:04:55.601 --> 01:04:59.742
where you would email anyone, actually.

01:04:59.882 --> 01:05:00.903
It doesn't matter who you email,

01:05:01.503 --> 01:05:02.583
because the email gets

01:05:02.603 --> 01:05:04.204
signed the same way with a

01:05:04.244 --> 01:05:05.826
transaction body in it and

01:05:05.865 --> 01:05:07.606
a SHA in the header to make

01:05:07.626 --> 01:05:10.568
sure it's not being recast.

01:05:12.929 --> 01:05:13.469
But yeah.

01:05:13.990 --> 01:05:14.610
The, um,

01:05:15.532 --> 01:05:18.393
there's also some UX components of it.

01:05:18.414 --> 01:05:19.114
We're trying to reason

01:05:19.135 --> 01:05:21.215
through because everyone's

01:05:21.235 --> 01:05:22.436
pretty familiar with OTP.

01:05:24.958 --> 01:05:28.661
Uh, but like, Hey,

01:05:28.701 --> 01:05:29.702
we're going to fill in the

01:05:29.742 --> 01:05:30.822
body of an email and like

01:05:30.943 --> 01:05:31.884
send it to someone.

01:05:31.943 --> 01:05:32.643
And then they're going to

01:05:32.684 --> 01:05:34.565
like run zero knowledge

01:05:34.585 --> 01:05:36.447
proof magic on it is harder to explain.

01:05:38.777 --> 01:05:41.659
So it's not like at that

01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:43.681
point it becomes pretty far

01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:45.681
divorced from just like an OAuth flow,

01:05:45.943 --> 01:05:46.163
right?

01:05:47.923 --> 01:05:49.985
It's, yeah, a little bit, right?

01:05:50.146 --> 01:05:52.086
You'd still, you know,

01:05:52.106 --> 01:05:53.447
if you're signing into ADAPT,

01:05:53.467 --> 01:05:54.469
you're trying to give it permissions,

01:05:54.909 --> 01:05:55.690
it kicks you over.

01:05:56.230 --> 01:05:58.692
Instead of signing with, you know,

01:05:58.711 --> 01:06:01.193
a wallet or JLUT, it requires you,

01:06:01.974 --> 01:06:04.777
hopefully, pre-fills an email with your,

01:06:05.376 --> 01:06:05.657
you know,

01:06:05.757 --> 01:06:07.878
email client of choice and then

01:06:08.099 --> 01:06:08.639
submits it.

01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:10.280
We're also thinking about

01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:13.061
maybe pre-building it on an

01:06:13.081 --> 01:06:14.123
off-chain service and then

01:06:14.222 --> 01:06:15.123
sending it to the user.

01:06:15.643 --> 01:06:17.885
They can review it and then reply to it.

01:06:17.945 --> 01:06:19.425
And that would also sign it the same way.

01:06:20.447 --> 01:06:23.208
But there's a few different

01:06:23.248 --> 01:06:24.269
components of this that

01:06:24.289 --> 01:06:25.170
we're trying to work out.

01:06:25.190 --> 01:06:30.293
Yeah, OK.

01:06:30.373 --> 01:06:30.954
That makes sense.

01:06:31.514 --> 01:06:32.614
Yeah,

01:06:32.655 --> 01:06:34.775
I guess I've seen a couple of other

01:06:36.157 --> 01:06:37.518
versions of maybe how

01:06:37.538 --> 01:06:38.739
that's implemented where

01:06:39.965 --> 01:06:40.166
Yeah,

01:06:40.186 --> 01:06:44.248
it seems like that step where the

01:06:44.548 --> 01:06:45.309
kind of separation of the

01:06:45.349 --> 01:06:47.210
JWT from the actual email

01:06:47.451 --> 01:06:48.811
and how you actually

01:06:48.831 --> 01:06:49.813
contain that in the zero

01:06:49.833 --> 01:06:50.952
knowledge proof is actually

01:06:50.992 --> 01:06:53.295
like quite a serious hurdle

01:06:53.335 --> 01:06:55.036
in terms of user adoption

01:06:55.096 --> 01:06:56.476
and understanding of what's going on,

01:06:56.536 --> 01:06:58.438
let alone the UI involved.

01:07:00.420 --> 01:07:01.099
There's also some

01:07:01.139 --> 01:07:03.422
interesting work being done on JWTs.

01:07:06.844 --> 01:07:08.585
The trust assumptions kind of remain,

01:07:08.664 --> 01:07:09.686
but you can do a,

01:07:10.735 --> 01:07:11.755
zero knowledge proof of a

01:07:11.795 --> 01:07:13.056
JWT that you hold in a

01:07:13.115 --> 01:07:16.077
client and then submit that.

01:07:16.818 --> 01:07:17.978
The issue there is that

01:07:18.577 --> 01:07:20.778
client side zero knowledge

01:07:20.818 --> 01:07:23.039
proving is slow.

01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:26.422
So no one wants to wait two

01:07:26.481 --> 01:07:28.322
or three minutes to sign a transaction,

01:07:28.342 --> 01:07:28.902
right?

01:07:28.943 --> 01:07:29.563
That's absurd.

01:07:29.583 --> 01:07:32.463
While also losing 20% of

01:07:32.483 --> 01:07:33.344
your device's battery.

01:07:33.364 --> 01:07:33.405
So

01:07:35.458 --> 01:07:36.217
They're, you know,

01:07:36.398 --> 01:07:37.139
zero knowledge kind of

01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:38.259
makes these like fairly

01:07:38.338 --> 01:07:40.920
large jumps in speed and implementation.

01:07:41.001 --> 01:07:42.161
So we'll see where it is in

01:07:42.181 --> 01:07:43.862
like six months.

01:07:44.822 --> 01:07:44.983
Yeah.

01:07:45.003 --> 01:07:48.385
My understanding with some

01:07:48.405 --> 01:07:49.264
of the client side stuff

01:07:49.284 --> 01:07:51.346
was that there are ways of,

01:07:51.726 --> 01:07:53.047
of hot caching and whatnot

01:07:53.146 --> 01:07:55.527
that will release after

01:07:55.568 --> 01:07:57.248
you've done the initial proof.

01:07:57.389 --> 01:07:58.949
If you have like kind of a

01:07:59.030 --> 01:08:00.590
capability style model where.

01:08:01.626 --> 01:08:02.947
you know, like we'll see your,

01:08:03.068 --> 01:08:04.088
you've got certain things

01:08:04.148 --> 01:08:06.009
where you're revoking and permitting.

01:08:06.708 --> 01:08:07.108
Now, again,

01:08:07.168 --> 01:08:09.750
I'm not familiar enough with

01:08:09.789 --> 01:08:10.851
the actual implementation

01:08:10.891 --> 01:08:11.771
details of this to say,

01:08:11.851 --> 01:08:12.731
but like whether or not

01:08:12.791 --> 01:08:15.592
it's possible to amortize

01:08:15.632 --> 01:08:17.632
some of that pain by doing

01:08:17.993 --> 01:08:19.753
sort of an upfront work for

01:08:19.814 --> 01:08:21.054
an initial transaction that

01:08:21.073 --> 01:08:22.274
then is handoff to say,

01:08:22.970 --> 01:08:24.371
like a secondary thing

01:08:24.390 --> 01:08:26.653
that's not a circuit that's simply saying,

01:08:27.313 --> 01:08:27.552
oh yeah,

01:08:27.592 --> 01:08:29.335
from now on I have the permission to sign,

01:08:29.895 --> 01:08:30.534
given, let's say,

01:08:30.555 --> 01:08:32.317
the Cosmos model of how

01:08:32.896 --> 01:08:34.377
that works once an account

01:08:34.557 --> 01:08:35.458
is represented.

01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:37.060
Because it's going to exist

01:08:37.119 --> 01:08:39.421
in that smart contract moving forward,

01:08:39.481 --> 01:08:39.641
right?

01:08:40.582 --> 01:08:42.203
Yeah.

01:08:42.264 --> 01:08:44.484
I'm curious to hear more about it.

01:08:45.345 --> 01:08:46.386
One of the other issues that we

01:08:47.391 --> 01:08:48.011
experiences,

01:08:48.072 --> 01:08:49.512
like most people are using our

01:08:49.552 --> 01:08:50.693
service through mobile phones.

01:08:51.393 --> 01:08:52.172
So you can do some,

01:08:52.373 --> 01:08:53.634
some decent like client side,

01:08:53.673 --> 01:08:55.293
zero knowledge proving on

01:08:56.154 --> 01:08:58.614
like a Mac book with like 20 gigs of Ram.

01:08:59.555 --> 01:09:01.876
But if you're on like, you know,

01:09:01.916 --> 01:09:03.476
a two year old Android device,

01:09:04.837 --> 01:09:05.537
it's not happening.

01:09:06.438 --> 01:09:07.438
Not, yeah, I guess I'm,

01:09:07.637 --> 01:09:08.677
I guess when I'm thinking of clients,

01:09:08.757 --> 01:09:11.519
I'm generally like a developer going like,

01:09:11.538 --> 01:09:11.878
Hey,

01:09:11.899 --> 01:09:13.020
who doesn't have a reasonable Mac

01:09:13.060 --> 01:09:13.640
book right now?

01:09:14.695 --> 01:09:15.595
Oh, not MacBook,

01:09:15.615 --> 01:09:16.796
be there a reasonable laptop.

01:09:17.436 --> 01:09:18.796
Obviously I use a MacBook.

01:09:19.216 --> 01:09:20.497
Yeah.

01:09:20.637 --> 01:09:22.399
We like to joke that like we

01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:23.878
chose the hardest possible

01:09:23.979 --> 01:09:25.238
audience because they're

01:09:25.259 --> 01:09:28.239
non-technical and they're mobile forward.

01:09:28.961 --> 01:09:30.100
So everything we build needs

01:09:30.161 --> 01:09:32.301
to be like cognizant of the

01:09:32.362 --> 01:09:33.242
limitations of that.

01:09:33.902 --> 01:09:34.101
Right.

01:09:35.382 --> 01:09:36.203
But that's also, I mean,

01:09:36.222 --> 01:09:36.943
that's obviously the market

01:09:36.962 --> 01:09:37.563
you're creating, right?

01:09:37.603 --> 01:09:39.043
That's the value you're trying to provide.

01:09:39.104 --> 01:09:39.884
So there's gotta be a

01:09:39.904 --> 01:09:42.305
balance of how complicated that can get.

01:09:43.131 --> 01:09:43.771
To that point,

01:09:43.792 --> 01:09:45.432
I think this abstraction

01:09:45.453 --> 01:09:48.856
idea is huge for onboarding

01:09:48.997 --> 01:09:49.978
new users and getting to

01:09:49.997 --> 01:09:51.599
the next billion and all

01:09:51.618 --> 01:09:52.220
this kind of shit.

01:09:52.260 --> 01:09:55.662
But is it a feature or is it a chain?

01:09:55.682 --> 01:09:58.145
Do you think that you guys

01:09:58.225 --> 01:09:59.686
forge ahead and then everybody else goes,

01:09:59.707 --> 01:10:01.108
oh, this totally makes fucking sense.

01:10:01.127 --> 01:10:02.409
Let's just take this idea

01:10:02.470 --> 01:10:04.070
and bring it to the chains that we have.

01:10:04.171 --> 01:10:05.192
And is it?

01:10:06.752 --> 01:10:08.172
Are you guys concerned about that at all?

01:10:08.273 --> 01:10:10.935
Is that the hook and the

01:10:10.975 --> 01:10:11.795
reason that projects come

01:10:11.814 --> 01:10:13.076
to you or is it beyond that?

01:10:15.797 --> 01:10:16.417
I think two things.

01:10:16.597 --> 01:10:18.038
Number one is obviously

01:10:18.078 --> 01:10:19.539
speed when it comes to that.

01:10:20.621 --> 01:10:22.542
I think there's a lot of

01:10:22.902 --> 01:10:23.903
projects right now that are

01:10:23.943 --> 01:10:25.222
very DeFi focused and

01:10:25.363 --> 01:10:26.743
that's just not an

01:10:26.783 --> 01:10:28.164
opportunity that we're really looking at.

01:10:29.706 --> 01:10:32.347
I do think on a shorter time horizon,

01:10:32.387 --> 01:10:33.929
we do create this kind of market of

01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:35.503
like pretty easy,

01:10:35.564 --> 01:10:36.988
pretty large total adjustable markets,

01:10:37.048 --> 01:10:38.112
consumer applications,

01:10:38.212 --> 01:10:39.457
mobile first things that

01:10:39.476 --> 01:10:40.239
haven't really existed.

01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:43.761
You know, and then I think we've been,

01:10:43.780 --> 01:10:44.481
you know,

01:10:44.502 --> 01:10:46.042
I think that's a great question on like,

01:10:46.122 --> 01:10:47.363
will people just kind of looking at,

01:10:48.083 --> 01:10:48.925
we'll be looking at this

01:10:48.965 --> 01:10:49.926
and trying to do it later.

01:10:49.945 --> 01:10:51.306
And I think that's like why

01:10:51.327 --> 01:10:52.447
we're working on kind of

01:10:52.587 --> 01:10:53.787
expanding to other chains

01:10:54.007 --> 01:10:54.889
relatively quickly.

01:10:54.908 --> 01:10:56.890
What do you mean by that?

01:10:57.390 --> 01:10:58.291
Like with, like, as I said,

01:10:58.310 --> 01:10:58.912
with like Nomos,

01:10:58.931 --> 01:10:59.652
where you can use

01:10:59.771 --> 01:11:01.453
generalized abstraction to

01:11:01.913 --> 01:11:04.315
use Talos through Zion,

01:11:04.475 --> 01:11:05.997
which is an injective.

01:11:07.377 --> 01:11:08.237
So it's kind of going to be

01:11:08.256 --> 01:11:09.497
a race of how quickly can

01:11:09.518 --> 01:11:10.738
we expand and how quickly

01:11:10.778 --> 01:11:11.917
can teams like Polymer and

01:11:12.037 --> 01:11:13.118
Union help us expand to

01:11:13.137 --> 01:11:15.399
like EVM or Arbitrum and be

01:11:15.458 --> 01:11:16.458
able to kind of facilitate

01:11:16.519 --> 01:11:17.618
that and be more

01:11:17.779 --> 01:11:19.059
collaborative rather than

01:11:19.078 --> 01:11:20.619
kind of like a siloed project.

01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:21.460
I think that's the one thing

01:11:21.500 --> 01:11:22.300
we wanted to avoid was

01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:25.421
being another siloed L1

01:11:25.661 --> 01:11:26.621
that had to compete for

01:11:26.740 --> 01:11:28.780
users in this cesspool.

01:11:29.341 --> 01:11:30.001
I mean, honestly,

01:11:30.020 --> 01:11:31.542
you should be building the

01:11:31.561 --> 01:11:32.681
same structure to pump that fun.

01:11:33.502 --> 01:11:34.341
Like, what the fuck are you doing?

01:11:34.421 --> 01:11:36.023
Like, I mean, seriously,

01:11:36.523 --> 01:11:37.222
like we've been three

01:11:37.262 --> 01:11:37.804
quarters of this call.

01:11:37.823 --> 01:11:38.344
We've been talking about

01:11:38.384 --> 01:11:40.104
this stupid shit around that.

01:11:40.163 --> 01:11:41.725
If you want to bring on a billion users,

01:11:41.784 --> 01:11:42.305
there you go.

01:11:42.505 --> 01:11:43.765
Like, that's a good way.

01:11:44.305 --> 01:11:45.805
Like, yeah, maybe not.

01:11:45.865 --> 01:11:48.087
I mean, not a lot, but but, you know,

01:11:48.127 --> 01:11:49.347
that same type of project for sure.

01:11:49.667 --> 01:11:49.948
Totally.

01:11:49.967 --> 01:11:50.768
Yeah.

01:11:54.810 --> 01:11:55.850
No, you just got a dog with hat.

01:11:56.747 --> 01:11:59.188
Crowd owner, dog with hat,

01:11:59.188 --> 01:12:00.608
1000 dog with hat.

01:12:00.707 --> 01:12:02.649
It's not on fucking Binance.

01:12:02.689 --> 01:12:03.729
Get the fuck out of here.

01:12:04.550 --> 01:12:05.949
It's on fucking Binance.

01:12:06.189 --> 01:12:07.730
Get the fuck out of here.

01:12:09.412 --> 01:12:10.051
Isn't it cracking?

01:12:10.652 --> 01:12:11.752
There's no way it's on Binance.

01:12:11.771 --> 01:12:12.832
Of course it's on Binance.

01:12:14.533 --> 01:12:15.753
Yeah, it's in the top 100.

01:12:16.333 --> 01:12:17.014
It's on Binance.

01:12:17.033 --> 01:12:19.255
It's in the top 50.

01:12:19.395 --> 01:12:20.454
It's on Binance.

01:12:20.494 --> 01:12:20.916
Fuck me.

01:12:22.055 --> 01:12:23.496
Cracking, holding on.

01:12:23.796 --> 01:12:24.417
We don't believe in it.

01:12:25.259 --> 01:12:25.578
I mean,

01:12:25.639 --> 01:12:27.841
to be fair... Cracking the holdout.

01:12:28.140 --> 01:12:29.041
We're not doing it bad.

01:12:29.381 --> 01:12:31.422
This is not what we built this for.

01:12:32.222 --> 01:12:34.024
Krakenberry narrowly avoided

01:12:34.164 --> 01:12:35.945
the regulation hammer.

01:12:36.765 --> 01:12:38.327
Yeah.

01:12:38.386 --> 01:12:39.948
They're on thin ice and they know it.

01:12:40.007 --> 01:12:42.250
They're just like... It's on Kraken.

01:12:43.250 --> 01:12:44.810
No, it's... I can't find it.

01:12:45.171 --> 01:12:45.390
Is it?

01:12:47.472 --> 01:12:49.094
The ticker is... I don't know.

01:12:50.293 --> 01:12:50.814
What's the ticker?

01:12:51.215 --> 01:12:51.715
WIF, right?

01:12:52.195 --> 01:12:52.475
W-I-F.

01:12:52.496 --> 01:12:54.237
Yeah, that's not Kraken.

01:12:56.896 --> 01:12:58.557
I mean, Binance has got it on 5X too,

01:12:58.797 --> 01:13:00.798
so you can go full DJing on that shit.

01:13:00.878 --> 01:13:02.359
You can margin it all.

01:13:03.020 --> 01:13:03.761
Financial advice.

01:13:04.581 --> 01:13:06.101
Just, guys, if you ever lost money,

01:13:06.341 --> 01:13:07.542
make it back in one trade.

01:13:07.943 --> 01:13:09.904
That is how you make it in the future.

01:13:09.963 --> 01:13:10.664
That's the key.

01:13:11.305 --> 01:13:12.746
That's also how Vegas works.

01:13:13.246 --> 01:13:13.945
Everything you have.

01:13:14.306 --> 01:13:15.287
Everything you have, one trade.

01:13:15.426 --> 01:13:17.207
That's how you do it.

01:13:17.408 --> 01:13:19.029
They say the house rarely wins.

01:13:19.149 --> 01:13:22.411
That's what gamblers tell me all the time.

01:13:22.850 --> 01:13:23.912
You just keep pushing more in.

01:13:24.742 --> 01:13:26.983
And remember,

01:13:26.983 --> 01:13:29.083
99% of people give up right

01:13:29.123 --> 01:13:30.265
before they're about to hit a pick.

01:13:30.864 --> 01:13:31.284
That's right.

01:13:31.565 --> 01:13:32.246
That's exactly right.

01:13:34.027 --> 01:13:34.947
Not financial advice.

01:13:35.747 --> 01:13:37.467
We could do a pretty good

01:13:37.929 --> 01:13:39.448
super cut of every bit of

01:13:39.488 --> 01:13:40.729
bad financial advice on

01:13:40.750 --> 01:13:41.770
this particular episode.

01:13:41.850 --> 01:13:42.511
I don't know what it is.

01:13:42.551 --> 01:13:43.430
There's been a lot.

01:13:43.931 --> 01:13:45.471
We've never given any financial advice.

01:13:45.511 --> 01:13:47.073
The only thing we give here is tax advice.

01:13:52.734 --> 01:13:53.533
Every time you get wrecked,

01:13:53.554 --> 01:13:55.215
you're getting wrecked for humanity.

01:13:55.274 --> 01:13:56.155
For humanity.

01:13:56.536 --> 01:13:59.917
For humanity.

01:14:01.398 --> 01:14:01.717
Yeah.

01:14:03.298 --> 01:14:06.661
But... Fuck humanity, right?

01:14:07.820 --> 01:14:08.341
Well, no.

01:14:08.921 --> 01:14:09.502
Hold up.

01:14:11.682 --> 01:14:13.323
I just thought of that.

01:14:13.724 --> 01:14:15.305
I hear where you're coming from.

01:14:15.984 --> 01:14:16.845
I'm just putting it out there.

01:14:16.865 --> 01:14:17.966
I'm playing devil's advocate.

01:14:18.006 --> 01:14:18.225
Let's...

01:14:20.426 --> 01:14:22.287
Let's imagineer a narrative, right?

01:14:22.828 --> 01:14:23.788
About humanity.

01:14:25.229 --> 01:14:26.010
Your rejoinder.

01:14:27.050 --> 01:14:27.251
Yeah.

01:14:27.730 --> 01:14:28.570
PETA's on our ass.

01:14:33.314 --> 01:14:33.413
PETA.

01:14:33.453 --> 01:14:35.335
I think there might be something here,

01:14:36.215 --> 01:14:37.456
like a project that focuses

01:14:37.515 --> 01:14:39.856
on making Crypto UX worse.

01:14:40.197 --> 01:14:41.177
Do you want a marketing job?

01:14:44.846 --> 01:14:48.349
A project that makes sure

01:14:48.408 --> 01:14:52.332
that every time you make a transaction,

01:14:52.752 --> 01:14:54.253
you have to enter the 20 words.

01:14:54.594 --> 01:14:55.835
I mean, isn't that what SWE did?

01:14:57.155 --> 01:14:57.577
Yeah, honestly,

01:14:57.596 --> 01:14:58.157
it's going to be really

01:14:58.197 --> 01:14:58.797
funny because we're going

01:14:58.818 --> 01:15:00.019
to try really hard to make

01:15:00.038 --> 01:15:01.019
a bad UX and it's just

01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:04.762
going to be crypto.

01:15:05.622 --> 01:15:07.345
You have to type in the 24

01:15:07.345 --> 01:15:09.966
words individually, but also in hex.

01:15:10.805 --> 01:15:12.065
So I'm going to fucking just say,

01:15:12.086 --> 01:15:13.247
I'm just going to say this.

01:15:13.587 --> 01:15:14.307
I'm just going to say this

01:15:14.347 --> 01:15:15.750
because it is factually correct.

01:15:15.869 --> 01:15:17.771
If you went and did what

01:15:17.811 --> 01:15:19.153
you've just described, mate,

01:15:19.634 --> 01:15:23.738
the most adversarial dog shit, cypherpunk,

01:15:24.037 --> 01:15:26.319
meme, bullshit, UI,

01:15:27.661 --> 01:15:29.341
it would be a top 50 meme

01:15:29.381 --> 01:15:31.601
coin because people like yo

01:15:31.842 --> 01:15:33.122
the best thing about when

01:15:33.143 --> 01:15:34.122
you're trading this and

01:15:34.143 --> 01:15:35.064
you're trying to fucking

01:15:35.123 --> 01:15:37.283
time the rug is that it

01:15:37.344 --> 01:15:38.625
goes to the screen and

01:15:38.664 --> 01:15:39.664
you're like I'm gonna cash

01:15:39.765 --> 01:15:40.265
out I'm gonna be a

01:15:40.305 --> 01:15:41.166
millionaire and then you're

01:15:41.185 --> 01:15:42.506
gonna type your fucking 24

01:15:42.506 --> 01:15:44.127
words like a fucking and by

01:15:44.146 --> 01:15:45.407
the time you type the the

01:15:45.466 --> 01:15:47.667
fifth one you're broke it's

01:15:47.728 --> 01:15:52.449
amazing but you have to

01:15:52.470 --> 01:15:54.430
type those 24 words into

01:15:54.470 --> 01:15:55.990
your ledger with the two little buttons

01:15:56.966 --> 01:16:00.748
oh my god yeah and if you

01:16:00.788 --> 01:16:02.210
get it wrong with spelling

01:16:02.250 --> 01:16:03.671
mistakes it locks you out

01:16:03.850 --> 01:16:05.171
exactly yeah right right

01:16:05.192 --> 01:16:05.912
there's no spell check

01:16:05.953 --> 01:16:06.773
either it doesn't like

01:16:06.853 --> 01:16:07.493
automatically select the

01:16:07.514 --> 01:16:08.274
word you actually have to

01:16:08.314 --> 01:16:09.494
type every letter of that

01:16:09.555 --> 01:16:10.756
everything it just deletes

01:16:10.775 --> 01:16:11.777
the private key from the

01:16:11.837 --> 01:16:13.438
ledger it just goes boom no

01:16:13.478 --> 01:16:15.020
dice well I think what you

01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:15.800
really should do is you

01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:17.220
should brought you should

01:16:17.261 --> 01:16:18.761
broadcast transactions but

01:16:18.881 --> 01:16:20.904
it should also broadcast the private keys

01:16:24.462 --> 01:16:28.926
This feels like a notional project.

01:16:29.286 --> 01:16:34.029
We have a lot of asymmetric

01:16:34.069 --> 01:16:35.628
key encryption blockchains, right?

01:16:35.649 --> 01:16:37.130
And it's tried and we know

01:16:37.149 --> 01:16:37.850
where that gets you.

01:16:37.970 --> 01:16:40.112
We have not tried symmetric

01:16:40.252 --> 01:16:43.814
key encrypted blockchains.

01:16:46.135 --> 01:16:47.655
But there's so much faster

01:16:47.695 --> 01:16:49.176
to sign and verify.

01:16:49.556 --> 01:16:50.157
There's a lot.

01:16:50.176 --> 01:16:50.837
Even like odd Z,

01:16:50.858 --> 01:16:51.637
what are you talking about?

01:16:55.824 --> 01:16:59.305
Symmetric keys are when the

01:16:59.345 --> 01:17:03.648
public key and the private key is in-key.

01:17:03.667 --> 01:17:04.948
I don't think you know.

01:17:05.009 --> 01:17:06.189
I don't think you know.

01:17:06.769 --> 01:17:07.449
We can do that.

01:17:07.770 --> 01:17:09.390
What I'm telling you is we can do that.

01:17:09.751 --> 01:17:11.091
I'm saying it's closer to

01:17:11.131 --> 01:17:11.970
what we have now than

01:17:12.051 --> 01:17:12.971
asymmetric encryption.

01:17:14.492 --> 01:17:14.693
Yeah.

01:17:15.113 --> 01:17:16.552
I'm going to add like an AES

01:17:16.632 --> 01:17:17.774
key authenticator.

01:17:20.335 --> 01:17:21.314
Like just send it?

01:17:21.335 --> 01:17:22.796
I like it.

01:17:22.815 --> 01:17:23.416
Yeah, like

01:17:23.965 --> 01:17:24.787
Anybody who sees the

01:17:24.827 --> 01:17:25.787
transaction can then do

01:17:25.828 --> 01:17:26.750
whatever they want with your account.

01:17:27.490 --> 01:17:29.113
I think we should make an NFT marketplace.

01:17:29.314 --> 01:17:30.475
That'd be kind of like quite

01:17:30.496 --> 01:17:31.377
a cool meme chain.

01:17:31.457 --> 01:17:32.279
It's just you are

01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:33.560
transacting in the open and

01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:35.484
everybody can take hold of your account.

01:17:35.524 --> 01:17:35.704
Yeah.

01:17:37.043 --> 01:17:37.363
In fact,

01:17:37.484 --> 01:17:38.324
do you know what would be a

01:17:38.564 --> 01:17:39.784
fucking cool chain?

01:17:39.805 --> 01:17:40.826
Do you know what would be a

01:17:40.845 --> 01:17:42.306
fucking cool chain, actually?

01:17:42.327 --> 01:17:46.068
Is that your first interaction,

01:17:46.188 --> 01:17:47.088
your single first

01:17:47.788 --> 01:17:49.710
interaction is fully

01:17:49.789 --> 01:17:51.831
private and then the next

01:17:52.011 --> 01:17:53.551
one broadcasts your private

01:17:53.612 --> 01:17:55.273
key with the transaction.

01:17:55.672 --> 01:17:57.493
So if you move, you die.

01:17:58.793 --> 01:18:01.136
You basically only get one

01:18:01.195 --> 01:18:03.137
transaction privately and

01:18:03.158 --> 01:18:04.019
then your next one,

01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:06.000
a bot or whoever can come

01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:07.662
after you immediately after it.

01:18:08.221 --> 01:18:09.162
So if you wanted to do

01:18:09.302 --> 01:18:10.283
anything on the chain,

01:18:10.423 --> 01:18:11.204
you'd probably have to

01:18:11.244 --> 01:18:12.725
script it with a bot and

01:18:12.746 --> 01:18:13.987
then just execute it really

01:18:14.046 --> 01:18:15.948
fast and be like, you know,

01:18:15.988 --> 01:18:17.630
properly mevving to shit.

01:18:18.289 --> 01:18:21.391
What we should do is we should cyble it,

01:18:21.471 --> 01:18:21.631
right?

01:18:21.652 --> 01:18:22.752
To make sure it's only humans.

01:18:23.172 --> 01:18:27.315
But what we should do is no gas fees,

01:18:27.815 --> 01:18:28.056
right?

01:18:28.396 --> 01:18:29.898
And now it's a game of King of the Hill,

01:18:30.318 --> 01:18:30.518
right?

01:18:30.537 --> 01:18:31.979
Because you could just free reign,

01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:34.541
take accounts from anyone and send it.

01:18:35.121 --> 01:18:37.341
And I think that is a solid idea.

01:18:37.622 --> 01:18:39.304
But we make sure that it's cyble resistant,

01:18:39.724 --> 01:18:39.844
right?

01:18:39.884 --> 01:18:40.805
Like it's all humans, right?

01:18:43.011 --> 01:18:44.372
We make sure it's civil-resistant.

01:18:44.493 --> 01:18:45.814
The hardest problem in

01:18:45.854 --> 01:18:47.555
computer science related to

01:18:47.595 --> 01:18:48.515
this particular area.

01:18:48.534 --> 01:18:49.296
You can do that.

01:18:49.336 --> 01:18:50.756
Just have the fucking pick

01:18:50.796 --> 01:18:52.117
four photos of a bicycle

01:18:52.176 --> 01:18:53.358
and call it a goddamn day.

01:18:54.257 --> 01:18:54.838
We're fine.

01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:57.399
I have just come up with the

01:18:57.439 --> 01:18:59.480
better version of a bridge.

01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:03.023
It's a chain bridge.

01:19:03.542 --> 01:19:08.085
Okay, so your blockchain has an AI,

01:19:08.125 --> 01:19:08.546
of course.

01:19:09.286 --> 01:19:10.747
Now you need the valuation.

01:19:12.042 --> 01:19:12.761
How you, it's a,

01:19:12.881 --> 01:19:15.743
it's a burn mint contract and how you,

01:19:16.524 --> 01:19:18.364
how you do the actual

01:19:18.444 --> 01:19:20.546
bridge is that the

01:19:20.567 --> 01:19:22.106
blockchain has to ingest a

01:19:22.127 --> 01:19:24.068
video of you burning Benjamins.

01:19:27.350 --> 01:19:28.131
Well, so Nomantas,

01:19:28.150 --> 01:19:29.091
do you want to take where I

01:19:29.110 --> 01:19:29.931
think you're going to take that?

01:19:32.153 --> 01:19:34.613
We were going to start us a

01:19:34.654 --> 01:19:36.954
dollar backed stable coin, but to,

01:19:37.235 --> 01:19:38.275
to get the token,

01:19:38.296 --> 01:19:39.577
you had to bring us cash

01:19:39.737 --> 01:19:41.377
and to get the value out.

01:19:42.188 --> 01:19:44.149
You had to cash out of the

01:19:45.448 --> 01:19:46.930
air in one of those air

01:19:47.010 --> 01:19:47.869
spinning machines.

01:19:49.831 --> 01:19:51.652
We still might do it at like conferences.

01:19:51.692 --> 01:19:52.311
Like if you want to,

01:19:52.391 --> 01:19:53.372
if you want to cash out of

01:19:53.412 --> 01:19:53.952
the stable coin,

01:19:53.971 --> 01:19:54.733
you go to like one of those,

01:19:54.752 --> 01:19:55.573
it's like one of those

01:19:55.632 --> 01:19:56.453
carnival booths where the

01:19:56.533 --> 01:19:57.634
money's flying everywhere

01:19:57.774 --> 01:19:58.713
and you got to like grab it.

01:19:59.333 --> 01:20:01.574
Oh, the crystal maze.

01:20:01.635 --> 01:20:02.216
I was just,

01:20:02.515 --> 01:20:03.796
I was just at a conference

01:20:03.815 --> 01:20:05.337
where they had that shit to

01:20:05.356 --> 01:20:07.077
win a prize of the same

01:20:07.136 --> 01:20:08.557
value of the shit that you could catch.

01:20:08.837 --> 01:20:10.057
But people figured it out now, man.

01:20:10.078 --> 01:20:10.958
You just pull your shirt out

01:20:10.979 --> 01:20:11.338
and you got it.

01:20:12.884 --> 01:20:13.423
You can't do that.

01:20:13.744 --> 01:20:15.365
No, there's no loopholes here.

01:20:15.645 --> 01:20:19.028
See, we use only freshly cut dollar bills,

01:20:19.108 --> 01:20:20.689
so they're extra paper-cutty,

01:20:20.970 --> 01:20:22.810
and it will mess you up if

01:20:22.831 --> 01:20:23.492
you try to do that.

01:20:23.851 --> 01:20:25.972
We bring catapults to every event,

01:20:26.253 --> 01:20:27.835
so don't fuck around at our booth,

01:20:27.914 --> 01:20:28.715
is what we're telling you.

01:20:29.475 --> 01:20:30.556
Can you move yourself up

01:20:30.617 --> 01:20:31.877
first so that it sticks to you?

01:20:33.639 --> 01:20:34.078
Question.

01:20:34.578 --> 01:20:35.920
I'm noticing a dog without a

01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:36.761
hat behind you.

01:20:38.221 --> 01:20:39.262
Where's Luna's hat, man?

01:20:40.444 --> 01:20:40.783
Oh, yeah.

01:20:42.417 --> 01:20:44.100
Wait, you named your dog after Octane?

01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:45.962
Yeah, that's right.

01:20:46.162 --> 01:20:49.845
To be fair, Doe named his kid Luna,

01:20:50.065 --> 01:20:51.127
if anyone remembers that.

01:20:52.828 --> 01:20:53.208
Really?

01:20:53.470 --> 01:20:54.350
That's the joke.

01:20:55.110 --> 01:20:55.931
That's the joke.

01:20:56.932 --> 01:20:58.354
Gonna have to rename that dog, dude.

01:21:02.698 --> 01:21:04.841
For the listeners, Schiltzy is nodding.

01:21:06.771 --> 01:21:08.654
yes I was nodding for the

01:21:08.713 --> 01:21:10.734
listeners for the listeners

01:21:10.755 --> 01:21:13.637
why why are you here why

01:21:14.778 --> 01:21:17.320
are you here I mean I

01:21:17.421 --> 01:21:18.501
imagine a lot of listeners

01:21:18.702 --> 01:21:19.863
who are regulars think that

01:21:19.922 --> 01:21:22.224
every week and yet and yes

01:21:22.265 --> 01:21:24.166
how many yeah yeah how many

01:21:24.225 --> 01:21:25.106
listeners do we have

01:21:26.396 --> 01:21:28.779
Right now, about 20 live,

01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:31.141
which is about par for the

01:21:31.181 --> 01:21:32.443
course for a bear market.

01:21:32.483 --> 01:21:33.444
But apparently we're back,

01:21:33.564 --> 01:21:35.426
and yet it's fucking 20.

01:21:35.426 --> 01:21:36.527
What's going on with that number?

01:21:36.546 --> 01:21:37.587
Well, to be fair,

01:21:37.608 --> 01:21:40.650
that's like 3x our normal... To be fair,

01:21:40.871 --> 01:21:42.271
it's been two hours.

01:21:43.193 --> 01:21:43.873
For live, it's high.

01:21:44.895 --> 01:21:45.435
It's been a while.

01:21:45.956 --> 01:21:47.796
I think 600 a week or something like that.

01:21:49.587 --> 01:21:50.729
I guess Anthony doesn't know

01:21:50.788 --> 01:21:52.829
that this is actually a podcast.

01:21:52.890 --> 01:21:54.412
It gets uploaded onto the shit.

01:21:54.652 --> 01:21:55.712
No, I have no idea.

01:21:56.252 --> 01:21:56.813
How would he know that?

01:21:57.554 --> 01:21:58.213
Yeah,

01:21:58.293 --> 01:21:59.835
it gets uploaded to the shit and then

01:21:59.875 --> 01:22:01.957
people download it.

01:22:02.037 --> 01:22:03.818
That's why sometimes you say

01:22:03.837 --> 01:22:04.439
for the listeners.

01:22:05.298 --> 01:22:06.940
So am I going to get those

01:22:07.081 --> 01:22:08.521
Andrew Tate clips where

01:22:08.561 --> 01:22:09.542
it's going to be a clip of

01:22:09.582 --> 01:22:10.682
me with some pretty intense

01:22:10.743 --> 01:22:11.503
background music?

01:22:12.024 --> 01:22:13.225
Like Build for Humanity and

01:22:13.244 --> 01:22:14.845
then... Sounds like a lot of work.

01:22:16.425 --> 01:22:16.984
Well, I mean,

01:22:17.005 --> 01:22:18.565
it was a community that would do it.

01:22:18.605 --> 01:22:19.206
I wouldn't... I mean,

01:22:19.225 --> 01:22:20.246
you could have watched the

01:22:20.365 --> 01:22:21.966
Dune movie in the time that

01:22:22.006 --> 01:22:23.226
this goddamn podcast would

01:22:23.247 --> 01:22:23.667
have been live.

01:22:23.907 --> 01:22:25.167
We don't really have... Stop

01:22:25.188 --> 01:22:25.868
reminding me of that.

01:22:25.887 --> 01:22:26.287
A community?

01:22:26.328 --> 01:22:26.648
I mean,

01:22:26.948 --> 01:22:29.748
this is just... Our community is Asaf,

01:22:30.229 --> 01:22:32.210
so... Okay.

01:22:32.229 --> 01:22:35.051
I was just going to... Yeah, that's true.

01:22:35.070 --> 01:22:35.791
I didn't know what he said.

01:22:35.810 --> 01:22:38.011
We get literally... We get

01:22:38.051 --> 01:22:40.752
direct feedback from our core listeners.

01:22:41.693 --> 01:22:42.233
Asaf.

01:22:42.533 --> 01:22:43.974
Is there any... Core listener...

01:22:49.131 --> 01:22:50.412
So, sorry,

01:22:50.431 --> 01:22:51.752
I think we're going to have to

01:22:51.792 --> 01:22:52.673
explain the joke to the

01:22:52.713 --> 01:22:54.574
guests because nobody likes, you know,

01:22:55.115 --> 01:22:56.076
the best jokes are the ones

01:22:56.095 --> 01:22:57.096
that need explaining, obviously.

01:22:57.117 --> 01:22:57.978
Of course, clearly.

01:22:58.537 --> 01:22:59.378
It's like a frog,

01:22:59.418 --> 01:23:00.559
only funny when you dissect it.

01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:02.020
Exactly.

01:23:02.041 --> 01:23:03.962
I mean, I also dissect frogs for fun,

01:23:04.002 --> 01:23:04.922
but that's another story.

01:23:06.122 --> 01:23:08.204
So a staff from Secret

01:23:09.466 --> 01:23:10.726
watches our podcast and

01:23:10.747 --> 01:23:12.247
then gives us feedback on

01:23:12.307 --> 01:23:13.389
Twitter about things he

01:23:13.429 --> 01:23:14.189
liked and didn't like.

01:23:16.561 --> 01:23:17.663
Is it live feedback?

01:23:17.844 --> 01:23:19.126
Do you think we get anything now?

01:23:19.145 --> 01:23:21.069
No, it's usually after the fact.

01:23:21.710 --> 01:23:22.952
Thursday mornings, yeah.

01:23:22.992 --> 01:23:23.733
Like a week later.

01:23:24.413 --> 01:23:25.695
What if we all went around

01:23:25.716 --> 01:23:26.877
the circle and just gave

01:23:26.898 --> 01:23:27.578
critiques of us up?

01:23:33.331 --> 01:23:34.110
I think that's a good...

01:23:34.612 --> 01:23:37.912
There are no critiques of Asaf.

01:23:38.073 --> 01:23:39.554
I mean that vote-weighted thing.

01:23:40.173 --> 01:23:41.814
So I'll start off with a critique.

01:23:41.833 --> 01:23:43.015
Are you trying to alienate

01:23:43.154 --> 01:23:44.676
our only fucking reader?

01:23:46.055 --> 01:23:48.976
We're trying to engage the audience here.

01:23:50.318 --> 01:23:50.497
What?

01:23:51.878 --> 01:23:52.958
You listen with your ears,

01:23:52.998 --> 01:23:56.479
you read with your eyes.

01:23:56.539 --> 01:23:57.220
What are you on?

01:23:58.686 --> 01:23:59.287
Null said,

01:23:59.307 --> 01:24:00.707
are you trying to alienate our

01:24:00.828 --> 01:24:01.609
only reader?

01:24:01.628 --> 01:24:04.770
I was just testing to see if you're awake,

01:24:04.810 --> 01:24:04.930
man.

01:24:04.970 --> 01:24:06.332
This is an audio book, not a book.

01:24:06.351 --> 01:24:09.354
Yeah, isn't it like late at night for you?

01:24:11.295 --> 01:24:12.536
It's first thing in the morning for Null.

01:24:14.016 --> 01:24:14.596
Well, good morning.

01:24:16.238 --> 01:24:16.599
Hey there.

01:24:17.498 --> 01:24:18.239
Top of the morning.

01:24:18.260 --> 01:24:19.400
Top of the morning.

01:24:19.421 --> 01:24:23.563
Soon I'll float outside

01:24:23.622 --> 01:24:24.543
upside down and get a coffee.

01:24:26.192 --> 01:24:26.851
So Asaf,

01:24:27.193 --> 01:24:29.073
we appreciate the vote way to joke.

01:24:29.113 --> 01:24:30.354
That was legendary.

01:24:31.094 --> 01:24:32.613
Give us another memeable

01:24:32.673 --> 01:24:34.395
joke of that caliber, please.

01:24:34.534 --> 01:24:36.114
It has been 18 months.

01:24:36.675 --> 01:24:37.655
That's my own critique.

01:24:38.235 --> 01:24:38.876
I think that's it.

01:24:40.657 --> 01:24:41.377
Can't think of anything else.

01:24:41.516 --> 01:24:42.396
I have no critique.

01:24:42.436 --> 01:24:44.358
Oh, there's a whole comment section.

01:24:44.417 --> 01:24:45.278
I didn't even see this.

01:24:49.979 --> 01:24:50.359
Oh, really?

01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:52.119
It's like right next to the image.

01:24:52.479 --> 01:24:53.520
No, I was on the private chat.

01:24:53.541 --> 01:24:54.600
I thought that was the whole thing.

01:24:55.091 --> 01:24:56.271
I don't need your fucking attitude,

01:24:56.311 --> 01:24:56.492
though.

01:24:56.511 --> 01:24:57.252
I'm going to be real here.

01:24:57.271 --> 01:25:04.457
Oh, well, you know, you've got it.

01:25:04.936 --> 01:25:06.497
I think the last comment was an hour ago.

01:25:07.078 --> 01:25:10.359
It seems like everyone's...

01:25:10.480 --> 01:25:11.961
Everyone's tapped away to the porn.

01:25:12.582 --> 01:25:13.322
Yeah, I get it.

01:25:13.903 --> 01:25:14.462
I understand.

01:25:14.483 --> 01:25:19.185
Or Helldivers, too, probably.