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on the fire escape uh can

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you just like let me the

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fuck back in um but if it'd

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been like a week later I'd

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have been out there for all

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weekend or something or if

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it happened at the weekend

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I don't know hello and

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welcome to game of nodes a weekly podcast

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From independent validator teams.

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And yeah, I mean,

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I'm excited to get into

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what you guys were up to at East Denver.

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Like what kind of vibe was

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it compared to last year?

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First of all, like top line,

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what is the mood like

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compared to last year?

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How are we feeling?

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Well, way higher energy for sure.

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Everything was exciting.

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Everyone was excited.

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Yeah.

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And last year,

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I think there was only one

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or two events that I went to out of,

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let's say,

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a dozen that felt like it was

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at capacity or really full.

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Whereas I can't think of a

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single event that I went to

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this year that...

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like didn't have people

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either waiting outside or

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had some sort of queue or

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something like it was, it was wild.

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And it was me being who I am.

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Are we back baby?

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We might be back.

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Are we back?

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Are we, are we,

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are we smashing the glass

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and hitting the short C

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we're back claxon?

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Cause that's the last claxon

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that gets fired off that claxon.

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Sure.

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We're back.

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I mean, there's no taking it back.

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I mean,

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I feel pretty bullish with the

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Bitcoin ETF.

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Bitcoin's hitting all-time

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highs like every day.

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Well, not all-time highs,

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but it's reaching all-time

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highs every day.

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That makes me feel pretty good.

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Yeah,

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it also went from $70,000 to $57,000

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like within four hours or

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something and then urged it way back.

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So it was like a $1 billion loss.

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That feels like we're back.

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Yeah.

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That part seems like right on brand.

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Oh, wow.

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Back to $67,000 though.

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It's working its way up.

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What a big drop off.

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Yeah, I didn't even notice that.

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Yeah, last night it hit 70, right?

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It went over 70 and it

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dropped to 57 in like two

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hours or something like that.

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CoinGecko is showing 69 down to 61.

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So that's a 15% drop.

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This is the segment of the

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show where we real-time

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check the portfolios of

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people on the show.

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I was told that.

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We find out how much would.

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So my price is from secondhand.

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Yeah.

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I mean, do you know what?

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I was rewatching that Scott

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Anselman talk about it's

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called Scale Yourself.

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It's about effectiveness in

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kind of technology leadership.

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But it's actually really, really good.

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It's just like a checklist

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for getting shit done.

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uh I watched it very very

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many years ago and have

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inadvertently internalized

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some of the ideas I guess I

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you know when you watch

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something and you're like

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oh that's where I ripped

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that off from all those

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years ago it was kind of

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one of those and I realized

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that also I'd been

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recommending it to other

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people or and also just

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ripping off ideas and pass

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them off as my own for some

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time so anyway scott

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hanselman that's good talk

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But in it,

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there's a line where he says

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something about like,

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it's about notifications,

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which is a very old talk.

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I think it's about 12 years old.

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And at the time,

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he refers to them as toasts,

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which is quite common with UI engineers,

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you know, where they pop up like toasts,

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like, hey,

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um like you know brian's

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logged in great good for

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brian um but he has this

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whole bit about um how

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those can really interrupt

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your workflow which we all

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know like you mute discord

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you turn off slack you

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close down your emails

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before you want to actually

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fucking get something done

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right um and then you

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reopen them and you find

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out that you you know your

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accounts and this is just

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endless shit otherwise

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you've been mine shit that

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eats up your day right um

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But the joke he makes about that, well,

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joke, if you like,

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is you don't need to keep

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refreshing your news app in

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case 9-11 happens again,

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because if you're there,

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you'll fucking know about it.

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And if you're not there,

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somebody will tell you about it.

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and I was thinking that like

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as he was saying that I was

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like that's exactly how you

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should treat crypto prices

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as well like if you're the

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one getting wrecked your

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chain is halted if you're

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not the one getting wrecked

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somebody will let you know

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and if you're the one you

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know going to the moon

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i mean that's nobody nobody

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ever goes to the moon so I

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don't know what that would

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feel like I don't even have

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that example ready to go in

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my analogy because I don't

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know but she also just told

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me we're back so maybe I

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should have thought that

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through you know I agree it

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was good energy out there

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there was there was um

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a lot of positivity.

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There's a lot of fucking brands.

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Like there's a lot of fucking brands.

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Um, a lot of booths,

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a lot of like non web three brands,

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no web three brands.

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Like there's just a, I mean,

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there always has been, I guess,

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but it seems like there's even more, um,

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and a lot smaller niche

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type of things as well that

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we're sponsoring stuff.

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Um,

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I thought there's just too

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many fucking events.

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That's my problem with it.

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Like you can't get to everything.

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And the ones that you want to go to,

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you want to stay for more

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than 20 minutes.

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So you're hanging out for

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three or four hours and

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you're missing four other things.

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And then discovery of those events,

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I think is really hard.

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And usually when I discovered him,

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it's too fucking late.

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So you're in like a last

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minute wait list thing.

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So that that's also stressful.

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And then I don't know about, I mean,

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it was like this in Austin, but like,

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holy shit,

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everything's spread around in Denver.

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Like it felt like,

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I probably put in like $400

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of Uber rides in four days.

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It was nuts just going from

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event to event.

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Everything was 20 minutes apart, right?

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So you're constantly sitting

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in traffic or doing whatever.

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And Devon is not a massive place,

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so that's kind of...

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impressive it's not massive

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massive it's not like

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you're you know it's like

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you're hitting the five

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boroughs or something but

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but getting from like the

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rhino area all the way back

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downtown or where we were

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in the west side and like

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just bouncing around there

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it was definitely was it

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not kind of convention center downtown

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well the core the core I

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mean denver itself is in

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like a pretty close area

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but like everybody else who

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has events or there's like

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a ton of places and the

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other thing that's funny

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about denver is like it

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seems like every building

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is built for like hosting

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web three parties like

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they're all they're all

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because every building

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every building is is for

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hosting hey we just

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legalized cannabis parties

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It's literally what it is.

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They're all open.

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This used to be illegal.

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You used to get locked up

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for doing this shit.

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And then people go in like, yeah,

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we're printing our own money.

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And they're like,

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that used to also be illegal.

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And soon it will be again.

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Soon it will be again.

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It's an open space.

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Great lighting.

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Great artwork.

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There's always like cool shit in there.

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Like,

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what the fuck is this doing the other

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364 days?

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Like,

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there's only so many of these things.

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By somebody who made their

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money on Bitcoin.

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Not a table to be found.

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Like, what the hell's going on?

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they do yeah denver has some

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good murals I agree it's

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good street art as well I i

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very I think would have

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been spring 2016 I was

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backpacking through there

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and somebody had painted a

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massive mural of bernie

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sanders as the incredible

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hulk and it said bernie smash

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like,

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like all the way up the side of a

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building.

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And I was like, that's,

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that's fucking hilarious.

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That's amazing.

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Um,

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there was also one which somebody had

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done for an advertising hoard.

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It was like for some, like, uh,

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fucking just swearing now

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and I'm not saying words it

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was like water I think it

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was like bottled water

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right and it's like

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mountain pure blah blah

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blah blah blah bottled

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water but it was sort of

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like an impressionistic

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view from the Rockies of

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the plane with Denver in

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the foreground and in it

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like it was a really big

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mural like it was all the

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way down the side of this warehouse right

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And one of the things you could see was,

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is it Coors Field in Denver,

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the baseball stadium?

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Is it still?

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It was.

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I think it would have been

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the Coors Field in 2016.

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So I'm going to go with that

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and assume that's what it was called.

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It still is.

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Home of the Rockies.

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And if you walked all the way,

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like you walked up to the

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wall and you look closely

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on the score of the

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baseball game on this mural,

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the artist had gone to all the effort.

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Bear in mind,

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the entire thing is pretty

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much spray painted and

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stenciled in one way or another.

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They had hand lettered with

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an actual brush

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a tiny little Easter egg

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that the score of the

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baseball game was 420.

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4-2-20.

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And I was like,

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that's also pretty fucking

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funny because you realize

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the whole thing was like a

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whole block long.

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It was really big.

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And you had to really walk

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up to the wall and be like, oh,

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that's the stadium.

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And what's that little tiny... Like, oh...

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yeah no denver was cool I

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remember there being some

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like not not good mexican

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food compared to california

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maybe but like some

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surprisingly good I mean

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there was just actually

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surprisingly good food

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everywhere in denver but I

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remember like I think we

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pulled in or we found our

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accommodation like really

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late and we had to just

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like find something in the

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neighborhood and like the

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only place we just like

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walking around two clumsy

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british people just being like

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Where is food?

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And there was just like a

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taqueria in this random

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neighborhood and it was

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actually pretty good.

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And I was like, oh, it's cool.

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Open at like 10 o'clock on a

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fucking Tuesday or something.

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You're like, legit?

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I'll have some tacos and a beer.

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That sounds fucking fantastic.

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Thank you very much.

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Yeah, food was pretty good.

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We didn't really go out anywhere though.

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Honestly, I think...

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No,

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but I will say that the couple places

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we did go,

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they had good meals on service.

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They did.

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The breakfast place I went to for,

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not Nebula,

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because that's the actual conference,

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but ran by Sebastian and team.

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Anyway,

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they had shakshuka as one of their

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breakfast options,

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and I've never seen that before.

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Shakshuka is one of my

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absolute favorite meals,

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and that that was on option.

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I was really excited, and it was good.

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Is that the eggs,

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the breakfast eggs thing?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's like a tomato-based sauce,

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typically pretty thick,

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and then you soft-boil an

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egg just directly into it.

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And then you let the yolk still be fluids,

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then you have some bread so

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you can dip it in.

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I think it's from Morocco originally,

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I want to say, and it's really good.

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Now you know.

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Yeah,

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I think there's a place near me that

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does that, though I think they might be

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hmm I'm gonna punt at

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lebanese but I could be

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wrong on that could be

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wrong anyway well so so

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okay so big positive energy

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lots of money spent on uber yeah

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Yeah, yeah,

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I mean it was a really good event.

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I thought it was also really

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cool seeing it from the

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perspective of us first

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this year versus last year.

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the Game of Nodes team kind

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of moved as a pack.

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If we went somewhere,

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we all kind of went

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together and talked to

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people together or what have you.

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Whereas this year,

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there was actually not a

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lot of crossover.

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Most of the time we kind of,

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like if we happened to run

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into each other, we ran into each other,

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great.

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But otherwise we were all

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off doing our own thing,

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all making our own business connections,

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all being great by ourselves.

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And I think that was an important moment,

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kind of recognizing that just because,

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that is showing the level of

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growth that we're kind of

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at where we are kind of at

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the point where we don't,

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I don't want to say rely on each other.

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We don't rely on each other,

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but we don't need to,

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we can go branch off and do

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our thing and be good.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I agree with that.

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I mean,

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some things made a lot of sense to

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do together because there was, I mean,

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we'd be at the cosmos event

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or something similar that

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that would happen or, you know,

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or specific enters I wanted to see,

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or something similar to that,

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or even sponsoring an event

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and those kinds of things.

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But yeah,

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I think we all kind of bounced

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around a little bit separately,

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depending on what was going on.

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So we went to a bunch of different things.

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So at Supra, we went to go see them.

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I wanted to go see some

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folks within the conference

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itself and folks at

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Injective and things like that.

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And I just had the

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opportunity to sit down and

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see the Barrett Chain event,

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which was a total rager.

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That was a fun event.

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So just being able to have a

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chance to see what was available.

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And also,

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I think the other thing we didn't

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do this well,

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what might have changed that a little bit,

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Chelsea,

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would have been that we didn't

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really coordinate at all on

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what was going on.

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We all had a different event list.

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And it was just weird.

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So before everything started,

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we were kind of sitting down and going,

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what the hell is everybody doing?

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And that was also kind of a challenge, too,

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which I would rather

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actually at least figure

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some of that stuff out.

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Because we went to similar

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events or the same events

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maybe at different times.

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So it doesn't make any sense.

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Um,

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cause it's also good to meet people who

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know people.

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And so I probably walk by

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people that you work with

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every day and vice versa.

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That's true.

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That's an interesting point.

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Um,

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a good way of meeting people a couple

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of times was someone was like,

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they saw me and were like, Hey,

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come meet this person.

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And I'm like, okay, whatever.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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I got, I got a bunch of that too,

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which was really nice.

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So that's kind of your classic.

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If you run into artifact at a conference,

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even if you haven't coordinated anything,

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that's quite typically you

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just see them somewhere be like,

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This person wants to talk to you,

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and you're like, I strongly doubt that,

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but I'll entertain what

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you're trying to do here.

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for sure no artifact is so

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smart so colin as part of

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artifact he they they

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brought a bunch of t-shirts

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right and this is just an

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example of how brilliant

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they are at business

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development colin sets up

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all these shirts at this

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event and then what he did

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for the event he basically

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just stood and managed the

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table and like folded them

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and stuff and every single

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person that grabbed a shirt

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he talked to them like just

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say what they're doing see

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if they're relevant or

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whatever or get a tg

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Exactly, yeah.

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And just, I don't know.

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For me, I found that absolutely brilliant.

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I was like,

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I cannot believe they just

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pulled that out of a hat to do that.

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So good.

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That's every conference, by the way.

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Usually if you're giving

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what Shotski's away,

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you're trading information for it.

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I've seen,

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the most impressive thing I've

00:14:41.090 --> 00:14:43.451
seen from Colin

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specifically at Artifact was,

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so on the point of

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everything being spread out,

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the Aptos event, we went to

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in Amsterdam last year was

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at a wider Fintech

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conference and it could not

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physically within the

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bounds of still being in

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Amsterdam have been further

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from the main conference venue.

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Uh, you had to get on the Metro or a tram,

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go all the way up through

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the center of Amsterdam,

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through the old town to the harbor,

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get on a boat, go across, uh, the main,

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I don't think there's a river.

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I think it is like an inland

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ship canal over to the other side.

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And then, uh, the,

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the Aptos event was in a

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warehouse about a couple of

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minutes walk from the others.

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Like, and you, you were,

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you were still conceptually in Amsterdam.

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Um, but like it was really like, uh, ah,

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right.

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There's something I need to

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do at the convention center.

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I had better checks notes.

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Okay.

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Leave myself an hour to get

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there because I need to

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make sure I'm on the right

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ferry and then it's 15

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minute ferry ride and then

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get the tram or the Metro.

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And the first Metro stop is

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like not immediately next to the port.

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you have to go a little bit

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further down and there is a

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Metro that goes across the river,

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but it goes to the wrong place.

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So you can't really use that reasonably.

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And of course the whole of

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the city is basically pedestrianized.

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So you would be completely

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wasting your time to think about an Uber.

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Um, although to be fair,

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actually it was rather,

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I think end to end the quickest I did,

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it was probably about 30 minutes,

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but that was absolutely hauling ass.

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So, um, yeah,

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But it was like,

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when you look at it on a map, you're like,

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are you kidding me?

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These are the same.

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This is a, this is a side event, you know?

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Yeah.

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Especially as,

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because like it was in a

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convention center and they

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were like all these old kind of,

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for all I know, they were super expensive,

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like mansions or luxury

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flats or something,

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but like a couple of

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streets over from the

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convention center where it

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didn't look so much like a

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convention center,

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but you weren't quite in the old town.

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There were loads of

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buildings that look like old, you know,

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warehouses from when

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Amsterdam was the center of

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a large trading empire.

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And you're like,

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I'm pretty sure you could

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hire one of these if it's not flats.

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That's the thing.

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It's probably like

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multi-million euro flats,

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and my idea is ridiculous,

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but I was just like, hmm,

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it would be nice if this was the venue.

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But hey, I mean,

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maybe it would have been too expensive.

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They had a big old cool warehouse,

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and it was kind of cool.

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But the coolest thing I saw Colin do

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was they had an event

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because of fintech

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conference they had this

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like um pre-loaded app

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payment thing that some

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company wanted to show off

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right at one of the evening

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events and so you got I

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think I want to say you got

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40 euros on it pre-loaded

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by the sponsor to spend in

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this huge it was like an

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event in the park in

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amsterdam in the you know

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in the middle of summer so lovely

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park loads of food stands

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like independent food

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stores and you could just

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have anything on your card

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you could buy beer it was

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great I'm actually bought

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beer um and uh colin rather

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than doing what I did I was

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just like sweet there's

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like free beer there's like

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two or three really good

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looking food stands I'm

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gonna have like a mid-sized

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meal from each of them like

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a fat bastard and then just

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be like score one for me

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although obviously

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we're paying to be there.

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It's not free,

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but you just get your

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sweetness of wicked.

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Colin went and ordered the cheapest thing

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from each of the food stands

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that looked like it had a good queue.

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And he just waited in line

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and then just talked to the

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person in front of him and behind him.

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And of course,

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you just stand in line and you just say,

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hey, what's good?

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And then the person is just like,

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I don't know.

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I think we get this.

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And he's like, yeah,

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I'm not feeling that hungry.

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I might get something like

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that and then maybe go get a beer.

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And then they're like, oh, yeah, cool.

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He's like, so what do you do?

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And when I finally saw him

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doing it right before we

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all got thrown out of this

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park and told to get out

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and get back to Central Amsterdam,

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I was like, ah, yes,

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that's what I should have

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been doing for the last

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three hours rather than

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just eating loaded fries four times over.

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Although I did get a very,

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very nice chocolate stout.

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So, you know,

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who is the real winner there?

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You got to kiss a lot of frogs as it goes.

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yeah you do colin colin's an

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absolute machine erdman was

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as well it's my first time

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meeting him like in person

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and he and I would yeah

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yeah really you guys had me

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when you guys when you're

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in uh in the uk or at

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amsterdam or anything that

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type of stuff nope we just

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like we're always kind of

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just off sync that's funny

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this was like yeah and so

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this was kind of a plan to

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to actually finally meet up

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that's cool um

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but he and I would,

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he and I moved more or less in tandem,

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right.

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To, to different, uh, events or whatever.

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And out of machine,

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he would just walk up into

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a group and the entire

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group would just give him

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their attention.

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And he would talk to them for five minutes,

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go to the next group,

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go to the next group.

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I'd be like my third person

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in he's 35 people in talking,

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having talked to,

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and he just didn't stop.

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It was really impressive.

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Um,

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And it really cracked me up

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because at the end of it,

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he somehow would remember everyone's name,

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remember what they did.

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If there was anything

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significant about the

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conversation that needed to

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take notes for later, blew me away.

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What a pro.

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It's funny.

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I mean,

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one thing that's about those conferences,

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I would say,

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is like even even at Denver

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would would qualify as well

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as like anybody will talk to anybody.

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Like you could walk up to anybody,

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any of those conferences

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and strike up a conversation,

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which is really nice,

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which is not really the

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case at like traditional, you know,

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like Web two things where

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you can really walk up to anybody,

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but not everybody wants to talk to you.

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And then there you have a

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mix of like different.

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types of individuals,

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either technical or you

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have folks that are more in

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sales or you have marketers

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and you have a lot of

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different backgrounds at

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those larger conferences.

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And

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And they can be really

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awkward from day one,

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or from the first word.

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But at these,

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you never really get that issue.

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You can talk to anybody in any role,

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and I think everybody is

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pretty friendly about what

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they're working on and who they are.

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And I think everybody has

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the same interest of just

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trying to meet more people.

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And so I really found that to be the case,

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too, where people will always be like,

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well, what teams do you work with?

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And they're just trying to

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figure out maybe we know

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somebody that they want to

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know or vice versa, right?

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And that's been pretty helpful, actually.

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Yeah, I would agree with that.

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I think that's an apt statement for sure.

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How did you handle talking about Ethereum?

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Because I always say that

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I'm kind of like

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deliberately not Ethereum

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aligned because Ethereum is

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absolutely awful to work with.

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And so I said that a couple

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of times to people and

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almost every single time

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people would be like deeply offended.

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Like you would see them go

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from like from a little

00:21:43.652 --> 00:21:44.092
checked out of the

00:21:44.132 --> 00:21:44.952
conversation to like

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completely honed in and

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ready to start throwing down.

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Yeah, exactly.

00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:50.359
Huh?

00:21:51.294 --> 00:21:52.115
Nobody really asked me.

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I don't know.

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We run a bunch of notes.

00:21:53.718 --> 00:21:54.839
You guys run a bunch of notes too now.

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But nobody really asked that

00:21:58.045 --> 00:21:59.507
much about that.

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Maybe because of the events

00:22:00.548 --> 00:22:01.148
that we were at.

00:22:01.851 --> 00:22:03.573
Other than at the actual ETH

00:22:03.593 --> 00:22:05.395
Denver where we had a lot

00:22:05.415 --> 00:22:06.057
of questions around

00:22:06.758 --> 00:22:08.300
around our involvement in a

00:22:08.340 --> 00:22:10.924
lot of l1 and l2s um but I

00:22:10.944 --> 00:22:12.366
thought kind of going away

00:22:12.406 --> 00:22:13.147
from that though away from

00:22:13.188 --> 00:22:14.269
just like the you know the

00:22:14.691 --> 00:22:16.073
polygons and arbitrams and

00:22:16.272 --> 00:22:17.013
avalanches of the world

00:22:17.034 --> 00:22:17.835
that are pretty heavy those

00:22:17.855 --> 00:22:18.537
events but leave it like

00:22:18.596 --> 00:22:19.698
injective had a huge booth

00:22:19.778 --> 00:22:21.280
and so that was nice to actually see

00:22:22.281 --> 00:22:24.042
And a billboard, which was pretty funny.

00:22:24.063 --> 00:22:25.723
But at least it was nice to

00:22:25.743 --> 00:22:28.105
be able to see some chains

00:22:28.125 --> 00:22:30.468
that we work with that are

00:22:30.567 --> 00:22:32.068
taking up some major space

00:22:32.729 --> 00:22:33.589
at these locations.

00:22:33.650 --> 00:22:36.711
And so you can actually reference that.

00:22:36.791 --> 00:22:39.192
Like, well, we run nodes for you guys,

00:22:39.273 --> 00:22:40.374
but we also validate for

00:22:40.453 --> 00:22:41.755
XYZ that's across the hall,

00:22:41.815 --> 00:22:43.036
which is really nice.

00:22:43.096 --> 00:22:44.017
Not just like, hey,

00:22:44.037 --> 00:22:45.017
we validate for this Cosmos

00:22:45.037 --> 00:22:46.178
chain nobody's ever fucking heard of.

00:22:47.259 --> 00:22:48.299
You have no idea what we're talking about.

00:22:49.180 --> 00:22:51.161
So that was actually pretty nice, too.

00:22:52.541 --> 00:22:54.144
um yeah the other thing go

00:22:54.163 --> 00:22:55.345
ahead it's not too

00:22:55.365 --> 00:22:56.005
surprising though that

00:22:56.045 --> 00:22:57.046
ethereum would take up a

00:22:57.066 --> 00:22:58.527
lot of uh headspace at

00:22:58.747 --> 00:23:00.909
ethereum well especially it

00:23:00.929 --> 00:23:02.430
was at that point too right

00:23:02.470 --> 00:23:03.830
it was like already at 3500

00:23:03.830 --> 00:23:04.951
or something I think last

00:23:05.031 --> 00:23:06.292
week in that and then like

00:23:06.792 --> 00:23:08.013
bitcoin was doing its thing

00:23:08.074 --> 00:23:10.296
and you know like everybody

00:23:10.316 --> 00:23:11.596
had the a little bit of

00:23:11.636 --> 00:23:15.500
that vibe you know what I

00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:16.520
mean so that that actually

00:23:16.580 --> 00:23:18.122
that helped a lot too I think in terms of

00:23:19.594 --> 00:23:22.375
In terms of just getting

00:23:22.415 --> 00:23:24.096
everybody in the right mood, if you will.

00:23:26.998 --> 00:23:30.359
I talked to one guy who was

00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.382
at the Bufficorn party in the VIP area.

00:23:33.821 --> 00:23:34.383
And he was like, yeah,

00:23:34.403 --> 00:23:36.263
I've been working in Web3 for two years.

00:23:36.683 --> 00:23:37.724
I actually don't know what I do.

00:23:37.865 --> 00:23:38.545
I do sales,

00:23:38.644 --> 00:23:40.405
but I don't actually know what

00:23:40.425 --> 00:23:40.925
my team does.

00:23:41.207 --> 00:23:41.807
I know they do something

00:23:41.826 --> 00:23:43.248
about smart contracts and

00:23:43.347 --> 00:23:44.208
auditing or something,

00:23:44.248 --> 00:23:44.929
but I have no idea.

00:23:44.949 --> 00:23:46.289
I was like, what?

00:23:47.761 --> 00:23:48.563
what are you talking about?

00:23:48.603 --> 00:23:48.682
You,

00:23:48.702 --> 00:23:50.945
I guess that's kind of true for me as

00:23:51.006 --> 00:23:51.326
well.

00:23:51.365 --> 00:23:52.207
Like what do I even do?

00:23:52.347 --> 00:23:53.909
I look,

00:23:54.390 --> 00:23:55.471
it didn't sound like he was kind of

00:23:55.530 --> 00:23:57.634
answering it as an existential question,

00:23:57.673 --> 00:23:58.634
but that's kind of where it

00:23:58.734 --> 00:23:59.757
led to at that point.

00:24:00.617 --> 00:24:00.698
Um,

00:24:01.704 --> 00:24:03.866
Go find an AWS rep or an SAP

00:24:03.946 --> 00:24:05.428
rep or somebody like that

00:24:05.448 --> 00:24:07.690
and go ask the details of that product.

00:24:08.050 --> 00:24:08.830
It's the same fucking thing.

00:24:09.271 --> 00:24:10.192
I don't know.

00:24:10.251 --> 00:24:11.594
I'm making leads.

00:24:11.653 --> 00:24:12.634
I'm getting the connections.

00:24:13.115 --> 00:24:13.714
There's a problem.

00:24:13.734 --> 00:24:15.537
I'm trying to stuff

00:24:15.696 --> 00:24:16.518
solutions into that problem.

00:24:16.538 --> 00:24:18.058
I'm listening to the fucking song.

00:24:18.078 --> 00:24:20.621
I'm saving money.

00:24:20.701 --> 00:24:21.801
I'm moving faster.

00:24:21.821 --> 00:24:22.643
I'm being more efficient.

00:24:22.682 --> 00:24:24.003
It's all the same shit.

00:24:26.145 --> 00:24:27.287
That's the kind of salesperson I want,

00:24:27.326 --> 00:24:27.547
actually.

00:24:27.567 --> 00:24:28.728
I want to find a BDM person like that.

00:24:29.263 --> 00:24:30.104
I'm disappointed by the

00:24:30.124 --> 00:24:32.105
reaction to my Slapshot reference there.

00:24:32.765 --> 00:24:33.144
I missed it.

00:24:35.105 --> 00:24:36.086
I just shouted,

00:24:36.105 --> 00:24:36.925
I'm trying to listen to the

00:24:36.945 --> 00:24:39.826
fucking song at you.

00:24:40.047 --> 00:24:40.606
What are you doing?

00:24:41.047 --> 00:24:41.527
What are you doing?

00:24:41.767 --> 00:24:43.127
Trying to listen to the fucking song.

00:24:44.768 --> 00:24:46.568
That's what I will now if

00:24:46.628 --> 00:24:48.048
somebody asks me at a conference.

00:24:48.528 --> 00:24:49.189
So what do you do?

00:24:50.569 --> 00:24:51.549
Try to listen to the fucking song.

00:24:51.950 --> 00:24:52.549
Just wait until you're

00:24:52.569 --> 00:24:53.069
screaming in your head

00:24:53.109 --> 00:24:54.171
every time you hear the national anthem.

00:24:54.191 --> 00:24:55.030
Then you know you're really fucked.

00:24:56.310 --> 00:24:57.372
Not my national anthem.

00:24:57.592 --> 00:24:58.031
That's true.

00:24:58.051 --> 00:24:59.692
There's a drinking song over here.

00:24:59.712 --> 00:25:01.614
There's a drinking song over there,

00:25:01.634 --> 00:25:02.013
I know.

00:25:02.355 --> 00:25:03.115
Although I don't know the

00:25:03.174 --> 00:25:04.556
words to the... I should

00:25:04.596 --> 00:25:05.455
learn the words to the

00:25:05.517 --> 00:25:06.497
drinking song because then

00:25:06.537 --> 00:25:08.377
I could really... But I

00:25:08.397 --> 00:25:08.798
think the problem is

00:25:08.818 --> 00:25:09.598
because it's an old and

00:25:09.659 --> 00:25:10.940
timey drinking song as well.

00:25:11.059 --> 00:25:12.901
It's like a British Army drinking song,

00:25:12.941 --> 00:25:13.101
isn't it?

00:25:13.121 --> 00:25:14.721
So it's probably like so

00:25:14.781 --> 00:25:15.623
around the fucking...

00:25:16.522 --> 00:25:17.663
hedges that you wouldn't

00:25:17.743 --> 00:25:18.923
even you wouldn't even be

00:25:18.983 --> 00:25:20.164
able to detect this in it

00:25:20.224 --> 00:25:21.806
it'd be like oh we've been

00:25:22.486 --> 00:25:24.027
marching for three weeks

00:25:24.106 --> 00:25:25.208
and not seen an american

00:25:25.248 --> 00:25:25.827
yet and it'd be like

00:25:26.048 --> 00:25:27.749
editor's note what they're

00:25:27.769 --> 00:25:29.150
trying to say here is that

00:25:29.329 --> 00:25:30.230
the americans have been

00:25:30.309 --> 00:25:31.750
running and as a result of

00:25:31.770 --> 00:25:32.932
their offensive they've

00:25:32.991 --> 00:25:34.311
only they have not yet

00:25:34.372 --> 00:25:35.553
caught up with the fleeing

00:25:36.012 --> 00:25:37.493
washington's army and

00:25:37.513 --> 00:25:38.434
you're like wow what a

00:25:38.474 --> 00:25:39.934
spectacular diss I'm sure

00:25:39.974 --> 00:25:41.076
every american listening

00:25:41.115 --> 00:25:42.737
would be super upset by that line

00:25:43.443 --> 00:25:45.827
They're all trying to listen

00:25:45.847 --> 00:25:46.488
to the fucking song.

00:25:46.769 --> 00:25:47.349
They're trying to listen to

00:25:47.369 --> 00:25:47.931
the fucking song.

00:25:50.114 --> 00:25:53.198
The E thing happens in a

00:25:53.298 --> 00:25:55.181
weird but adjacent way on

00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:56.082
the stuff that I'm working

00:25:56.122 --> 00:25:56.863
on at the moment where

00:25:57.592 --> 00:25:59.513
number one like I'm kind of

00:25:59.594 --> 00:26:00.894
talking to trad fire people

00:26:01.115 --> 00:26:02.576
and like obviously eth is

00:26:02.796 --> 00:26:04.857
the the ball ball game

00:26:05.439 --> 00:26:06.799
right so they're like oh

00:26:06.819 --> 00:26:08.020
you guys you guys validate

00:26:08.101 --> 00:26:08.780
right it's like your

00:26:08.820 --> 00:26:09.761
background you you write

00:26:09.882 --> 00:26:11.042
and you personally like

00:26:11.503 --> 00:26:12.664
I've heard some about

00:26:12.704 --> 00:26:13.505
protocol because you get

00:26:13.565 --> 00:26:14.566
introduced by somebody else

00:26:14.605 --> 00:26:15.406
right they're like protocol

00:26:15.446 --> 00:26:16.387
engineer like engineer

00:26:16.508 --> 00:26:17.788
engineer protocol engineer

00:26:18.249 --> 00:26:19.730
and you're like yeah sure

00:26:19.750 --> 00:26:20.711
smart contracts this than

00:26:20.750 --> 00:26:21.892
the other and stuff but

00:26:21.912 --> 00:26:22.653
primarily you know

00:26:23.561 --> 00:26:24.986
run, run a validator company.

00:26:25.006 --> 00:26:25.848
That's what we do.

00:26:25.949 --> 00:26:27.092
And you know, here's what we,

00:26:27.292 --> 00:26:28.655
how we do that and blah, blah, blah.

00:26:29.157 --> 00:26:29.699
And they're like,

00:26:31.277 --> 00:26:32.897
ethereum or like or like l2s

00:26:32.917 --> 00:26:34.178
like what kind of and

00:26:34.198 --> 00:26:36.098
you're like none of none of

00:26:36.199 --> 00:26:37.720
the above actually none of

00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:39.080
the above although you know

00:26:39.141 --> 00:26:40.141
no no shade on people and

00:26:40.161 --> 00:26:41.261
they're just it's just like

00:26:41.321 --> 00:26:42.682
the just the dot compute

00:26:42.721 --> 00:26:45.123
it's like the what what is

00:26:45.222 --> 00:26:46.983
it outside of and then like

00:26:47.124 --> 00:26:49.005
in in like more maybe

00:26:49.105 --> 00:26:50.726
academic circles like a lot

00:26:50.746 --> 00:26:51.746
of the kind of area that

00:26:51.766 --> 00:26:52.866
because I'm I'm writing

00:26:53.106 --> 00:26:55.407
critique maybe not critique

00:26:55.428 --> 00:26:56.328
is not the right word but

00:26:56.348 --> 00:26:57.269
I'm writing a lot about

00:26:58.367 --> 00:27:00.969
like what decentralization

00:27:01.009 --> 00:27:02.148
and these things actually

00:27:02.289 --> 00:27:05.611
kind of mean and what like

00:27:05.830 --> 00:27:06.851
the the the kind of

00:27:06.911 --> 00:27:08.332
intersection of actual

00:27:08.551 --> 00:27:09.731
technical things like

00:27:09.791 --> 00:27:11.692
invariance and and and how

00:27:11.792 --> 00:27:13.013
integrity is measured and

00:27:13.054 --> 00:27:15.374
stuff with like my other

00:27:15.413 --> 00:27:16.134
background which like you

00:27:16.154 --> 00:27:17.035
know economics and

00:27:17.934 --> 00:27:19.415
incentives and whatnot and

00:27:19.635 --> 00:27:20.576
and what's really funny is

00:27:20.596 --> 00:27:21.497
you'll introduce your work

00:27:21.537 --> 00:27:23.196
in that scenario and people

00:27:23.217 --> 00:27:24.077
will be like yeah I've

00:27:24.097 --> 00:27:24.657
always had all these

00:27:24.698 --> 00:27:25.637
problems with ethereum and

00:27:25.678 --> 00:27:26.439
here's some thoughts on

00:27:26.479 --> 00:27:27.298
ethereum and you're like

00:27:28.148 --> 00:27:29.349
yeah all of my case studies

00:27:29.410 --> 00:27:30.130
are not taken from the

00:27:30.150 --> 00:27:31.309
ethereum ecosystem and

00:27:31.329 --> 00:27:32.250
they're like does your work

00:27:32.310 --> 00:27:33.471
apply to ethereum and I'm

00:27:33.510 --> 00:27:35.152
like well yeah I mean

00:27:35.192 --> 00:27:36.932
conceptually yes it's

00:27:36.992 --> 00:27:38.473
public accounts but I i

00:27:38.534 --> 00:27:40.114
actually don't even care

00:27:40.173 --> 00:27:41.454
enough about ethereum to

00:27:41.555 --> 00:27:42.515
even have researched

00:27:42.736 --> 00:27:44.195
whether or not I should

00:27:44.236 --> 00:27:45.317
write about it because I

00:27:45.356 --> 00:27:48.218
don't care um but like oh

00:27:48.657 --> 00:27:49.618
it's in the further work

00:27:49.638 --> 00:27:50.638
section it says you know if

00:27:50.679 --> 00:27:51.640
somebody wants to do this

00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:52.779
to ethereum they can go and

00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:54.740
do it they're like but why

00:27:54.780 --> 00:27:55.961
would you not write about

00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:57.021
ethereum and you're just like

00:27:58.362 --> 00:28:00.482
it's it's the past man it's

00:28:00.623 --> 00:28:02.542
over like it's not over

00:28:02.643 --> 00:28:03.643
it's clearly going to be

00:28:03.782 --> 00:28:07.703
worth more than what was

00:28:07.723 --> 00:28:08.944
that what was that that

00:28:08.984 --> 00:28:10.585
that that that henry quote

00:28:10.644 --> 00:28:11.305
right you were talking

00:28:11.325 --> 00:28:12.384
about in the on the potter

00:28:12.404 --> 00:28:14.346
the other week just because

00:28:15.905 --> 00:28:16.987
was it just because I say

00:28:17.047 --> 00:28:18.626
something stupid doesn't

00:28:18.886 --> 00:28:20.426
mean I fully expect it

00:28:20.487 --> 00:28:21.387
doesn't mean I don't fully

00:28:21.428 --> 00:28:22.387
expect it to succeed

00:28:24.365 --> 00:28:24.885
Like that's like,

00:28:25.125 --> 00:28:26.926
that's like all the crypto, right?

00:28:26.946 --> 00:28:28.268
So just because I'm just like,

00:28:28.607 --> 00:28:29.509
Ethereum is over.

00:28:29.548 --> 00:28:30.328
There's no point in me

00:28:30.429 --> 00:28:31.650
expending any energy

00:28:31.789 --> 00:28:32.931
worrying about it because

00:28:33.070 --> 00:28:34.172
the technology and other

00:28:34.211 --> 00:28:36.093
ecosystems has moved so far beyond that,

00:28:36.133 --> 00:28:36.992
that it may as well be a

00:28:37.292 --> 00:28:38.673
horse while we've got a

00:28:38.713 --> 00:28:40.255
steam train or a motor car over here.

00:28:41.476 --> 00:28:43.396
Even if that is my opinion, I doesn't,

00:28:43.557 --> 00:28:45.557
and I'll say that doesn't

00:28:45.597 --> 00:28:47.398
mean that I don't fully

00:28:47.598 --> 00:28:49.299
expect the horse to be

00:28:49.460 --> 00:28:50.980
incredibly profitable for

00:28:51.040 --> 00:28:51.820
everybody involved.

00:28:54.125 --> 00:28:54.365
Yep.

00:28:56.507 --> 00:28:56.886
So be it.

00:28:59.469 --> 00:29:00.769
You can always go back to prop 16, too,

00:29:00.809 --> 00:29:02.330
if you need to explain what you do.

00:29:04.132 --> 00:29:06.834
Well, you know what?

00:29:06.933 --> 00:29:08.394
I have heard of Ethereum, but have you?

00:29:08.894 --> 00:29:10.115
Have you heard of?

00:29:10.656 --> 00:29:11.076
Well, no.

00:29:11.096 --> 00:29:12.938
Have you heard of possibly

00:29:12.978 --> 00:29:14.659
the only time that a

00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.260
governance dispute over a

00:29:17.320 --> 00:29:18.821
lot of money was resolved

00:29:18.862 --> 00:29:19.883
by a smart contract?

00:29:21.771 --> 00:29:22.132
That's right.

00:29:23.032 --> 00:29:23.573
It happened.

00:29:24.692 --> 00:29:25.153
In the words,

00:29:25.253 --> 00:29:26.755
in the words of that Stuart Lee,

00:29:27.154 --> 00:29:29.175
the final Stuart Lee comedy vehicle,

00:29:30.195 --> 00:29:31.277
nobody can say that this

00:29:31.317 --> 00:29:33.298
didn't happen because it did happen.

00:29:33.798 --> 00:29:35.959
Whatever happened, it did happen.

00:29:36.980 --> 00:29:38.380
You can't say it didn't happen.

00:29:38.579 --> 00:29:39.500
And then he repeats that for

00:29:39.520 --> 00:29:40.121
about 10 minutes.

00:29:40.161 --> 00:29:40.701
Cause that's how,

00:29:42.221 --> 00:29:42.903
that's how Brechtian

00:29:42.942 --> 00:29:44.723
alienation works as comedic device.

00:29:44.963 --> 00:29:45.144
So,

00:29:45.743 --> 00:29:46.924
so she'll see what was your favorite

00:29:47.184 --> 00:29:50.185
event out East or out West?

00:29:50.926 --> 00:29:51.366
Barachay.

00:29:52.753 --> 00:29:53.713
I didn't go to that one.

00:29:53.753 --> 00:29:56.174
Yeah, I didn't go to that one.

00:29:56.194 --> 00:29:57.315
I went home before then.

00:29:57.335 --> 00:30:04.537
I actually liked Modular Day.

00:30:05.617 --> 00:30:06.518
That modular event.

00:30:06.798 --> 00:30:07.538
That one was pretty good.

00:30:07.557 --> 00:30:08.698
I talked to a lot of people there.

00:30:08.718 --> 00:30:11.318
Or AppChain Day, I guess it was called.

00:30:11.959 --> 00:30:15.240
No, I think those are two different things,

00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:15.400
right?

00:30:16.661 --> 00:30:18.141
Because I think I went to AppChain Day,

00:30:18.161 --> 00:30:19.941
but Modular Day was the one

00:30:19.961 --> 00:30:20.582
I didn't get into.

00:30:20.602 --> 00:30:21.821
I think that was the other one.

00:30:23.018 --> 00:30:23.659
Oh, you're right.

00:30:24.140 --> 00:30:27.704
Yeah, modular was fine,

00:30:27.765 --> 00:30:29.106
but that's another example

00:30:29.126 --> 00:30:30.509
of the line for it was

00:30:30.568 --> 00:30:31.530
wrapped around the building.

00:30:31.550 --> 00:30:33.432
The building was very

00:30:33.534 --> 00:30:35.096
obviously beyond capacity.

00:30:35.135 --> 00:30:35.797
You had to...

00:30:36.723 --> 00:30:38.846
you know yeah like bump and

00:30:38.885 --> 00:30:40.667
squeeze and nudge and

00:30:41.388 --> 00:30:42.309
whisper into people's ears

00:30:42.349 --> 00:30:43.510
if you want it fast that

00:30:43.530 --> 00:30:45.252
kind of thing what did you

00:30:45.272 --> 00:30:46.034
have to whisper in people's

00:30:46.094 --> 00:30:49.457
ears that's a secret word

00:30:50.397 --> 00:30:51.259
to get in all all events

00:30:51.378 --> 00:30:53.641
are you on this list no

00:30:58.836 --> 00:31:00.038
We just whisper in their ear,

00:31:00.337 --> 00:31:01.057
what do you hold?

00:31:01.137 --> 00:31:02.519
And then whatever they whisper back,

00:31:02.558 --> 00:31:03.719
you go, oh, fuck,

00:31:03.740 --> 00:31:04.799
you need to dump it now.

00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.241
It's crashing right now.

00:31:08.261 --> 00:31:09.982
They just run out of line to

00:31:10.022 --> 00:31:12.344
go get their ledger from the Airbnb.

00:31:13.344 --> 00:31:13.784
Run away.

00:31:14.865 --> 00:31:15.724
And then you follow them

00:31:15.765 --> 00:31:17.145
back to their Airbnb,

00:31:17.385 --> 00:31:18.406
hit them around the head,

00:31:18.646 --> 00:31:19.567
take their ledger,

00:31:19.907 --> 00:31:20.768
and then dump their shit

00:31:20.788 --> 00:31:23.648
coins for them into your wallet.

00:31:24.369 --> 00:31:25.410
Into your wallet.

00:31:25.630 --> 00:31:26.671
Into your wallet.

00:31:27.353 --> 00:31:31.394
yeah it's it's it's really

00:31:31.474 --> 00:31:32.635
careless of them to have

00:31:32.695 --> 00:31:34.017
left them on that locked

00:31:34.057 --> 00:31:35.757
ledger behind that locked

00:31:35.797 --> 00:31:38.959
door in that airbnb you

00:31:38.979 --> 00:31:40.200
know if they're just gonna

00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:42.540
do that then then what do

00:31:42.560 --> 00:31:46.262
you want I mean yeah rama's

00:31:46.303 --> 00:31:47.143
in a really bad mood he

00:31:47.182 --> 00:31:48.403
must have is newt down today

00:31:50.942 --> 00:31:51.823
Is that the source of it?

00:31:52.564 --> 00:31:54.203
Yeah, possibly.

00:31:54.785 --> 00:31:57.125
He seems pretty salty.

00:31:59.006 --> 00:31:59.866
It must be because of the

00:31:59.906 --> 00:32:03.807
Solana news piece on the sheet.

00:32:04.228 --> 00:32:04.929
Should we do some news?

00:32:06.068 --> 00:32:06.288
Yeah.

00:32:06.509 --> 00:32:09.890
I mean, I'm pro news.

00:32:10.530 --> 00:32:10.951
Bring it up.

00:32:13.551 --> 00:32:14.031
Null's not here,

00:32:14.051 --> 00:32:15.132
so we can actually put our banner up.

00:32:15.432 --> 00:32:15.653
Fuck him.

00:32:17.785 --> 00:32:18.785
uh do you want to do you

00:32:18.805 --> 00:32:19.965
want to do it do an item I

00:32:20.286 --> 00:32:21.306
don't even have it open but

00:32:21.326 --> 00:32:22.186
I will by the time you get

00:32:22.227 --> 00:32:23.426
it going okay right well

00:32:23.446 --> 00:32:24.586
I'll do an item and you you

00:32:24.606 --> 00:32:26.228
can do an item so I'll do

00:32:26.268 --> 00:32:27.228
the one which I think is

00:32:27.327 --> 00:32:29.068
gonna I feel like this is

00:32:29.108 --> 00:32:29.969
the one that would irritate

00:32:30.009 --> 00:32:30.930
rama the most but I

00:32:30.970 --> 00:32:32.930
probably could be wrong um

00:32:33.049 --> 00:32:35.211
so solana's meme coin with

00:32:36.892 --> 00:32:39.972
weirdly with yeah w-i-f with

00:32:42.127 --> 00:32:43.608
So Solana's meme coin with

00:32:44.028 --> 00:32:46.530
sours to two times... Oh, okay,

00:32:46.570 --> 00:32:48.412
sores to two times... I've

00:32:48.432 --> 00:32:49.051
got to start again.

00:32:49.833 --> 00:32:51.253
Solana's meme coin with

00:32:51.453 --> 00:32:54.375
sores to two times Cosmos' best decks,

00:32:54.796 --> 00:32:56.737
in inverted commas, market cap,

00:32:56.876 --> 00:32:58.357
within months of being created,

00:32:58.838 --> 00:33:00.019
showcasing the amazing

00:33:00.058 --> 00:33:01.119
ability for Cosmos to

00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:02.921
completely mid-curve every

00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:04.902
single opportunity to

00:33:05.002 --> 00:33:06.502
entice normal users into

00:33:06.522 --> 00:33:08.384
the ecosystem by allowing

00:33:08.424 --> 00:33:10.365
people like White Marlin and John Gault

00:33:10.768 --> 00:33:12.148
have opinions on meme coin

00:33:12.608 --> 00:33:15.251
distribution and no airdrop

00:33:15.291 --> 00:33:21.916
no community um yeah I i

00:33:21.957 --> 00:33:28.061
mean solana I mean right so

00:33:28.362 --> 00:33:29.843
the thing about meme coins right

00:33:36.444 --> 00:33:37.506
does anybody else feel like

00:33:37.546 --> 00:33:38.726
they just blue screen every

00:33:38.906 --> 00:33:39.707
every time they try and

00:33:39.767 --> 00:33:41.448
think seriously and engage

00:33:41.488 --> 00:33:42.429
with the whole meme coin

00:33:42.469 --> 00:33:44.769
thing like like I feel like

00:33:44.789 --> 00:33:45.851
I'm a man who likes memes

00:33:45.891 --> 00:33:47.231
but I feel like out of all

00:33:47.271 --> 00:33:48.593
of the things like defy

00:33:48.613 --> 00:33:49.173
there's a whole bunch of

00:33:49.192 --> 00:33:50.153
defy shit I just do not

00:33:50.193 --> 00:33:51.434
understand and you know

00:33:51.535 --> 00:33:52.134
brahma's been on the

00:33:52.174 --> 00:33:53.415
podcast with me with us you

00:33:53.455 --> 00:33:54.656
know explain to me like a

00:33:54.696 --> 00:33:56.077
fucking two-year-old how

00:33:56.117 --> 00:33:56.778
something works and I'm

00:33:56.798 --> 00:34:01.181
like you know but meme coins like I i

00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:07.000
Get it out.

00:34:07.220 --> 00:34:07.500
Come on.

00:34:08.362 --> 00:34:09.764
I just don't fucking understand.

00:34:09.784 --> 00:34:10.385
Fucking process.

00:34:10.746 --> 00:34:13.730
Just... Like,

00:34:13.829 --> 00:34:16.014
I don't really... I don't understand.

00:34:16.034 --> 00:34:16.114
Like...

00:34:21.411 --> 00:34:23.192
i do like I do understand I

00:34:23.472 --> 00:34:24.873
do understand how you can

00:34:24.992 --> 00:34:27.193
financialize a meme like I

00:34:27.253 --> 00:34:29.335
understand how the the the

00:34:29.394 --> 00:34:30.755
thing could be a meme in

00:34:30.795 --> 00:34:32.016
itself like I understand

00:34:32.036 --> 00:34:33.576
that it's just a discourse

00:34:33.657 --> 00:34:34.757
on culture right if we're

00:34:34.777 --> 00:34:36.918
going to get very very I

00:34:36.938 --> 00:34:38.318
did a humanities degree

00:34:38.518 --> 00:34:39.739
which I did like I

00:34:39.838 --> 00:34:40.980
understand that a meme is a

00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:42.960
discourse and a financial

00:34:43.021 --> 00:34:44.161
instrument is a discourse

00:34:44.521 --> 00:34:46.001
and the two can meet

00:34:46.121 --> 00:34:47.262
because that is the nature

00:34:47.322 --> 00:34:48.943
of you know all social

00:34:49.003 --> 00:34:50.083
interaction experience

00:34:52.556 --> 00:34:52.817
But,

00:34:53.396 --> 00:34:56.018
but... You're really overthinking this.

00:34:56.038 --> 00:34:56.358
You're, like,

00:34:56.398 --> 00:34:57.259
making this way more

00:34:57.298 --> 00:34:58.559
complicated than it needs to be.

00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:00.400
Not a but, this is going to be an and.

00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:04.041
But, like, do you... Okay,

00:35:04.101 --> 00:35:04.760
so you're right.

00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:06.402
No, okay, so it boils down to this, right?

00:35:06.661 --> 00:35:07.621
By its very nature,

00:35:07.742 --> 00:35:10.282
I feel like the power of a

00:35:10.362 --> 00:35:11.722
meme is spontaneity, right?

00:35:11.884 --> 00:35:14.164
It has, like, an inherent anarchism to it.

00:35:14.224 --> 00:35:18.525
Like, it has... The best memes, like...

00:35:19.510 --> 00:35:22.594
like um like like like you

00:35:22.614 --> 00:35:23.715
know when people type lel

00:35:23.755 --> 00:35:24.956
instead of lol and stuff

00:35:24.976 --> 00:35:26.237
that they're born of

00:35:26.416 --> 00:35:27.637
fuck-ups adjacent to

00:35:27.737 --> 00:35:29.059
correct things and stuff

00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.541
like that like there is an

00:35:31.601 --> 00:35:33.061
inherent like monkeys

00:35:33.121 --> 00:35:34.302
bashing typewriters

00:35:34.483 --> 00:35:35.403
accidentally creating

00:35:35.463 --> 00:35:36.965
shakespeare about the best

00:35:37.025 --> 00:35:38.106
memes a lot of the time

00:35:38.166 --> 00:35:39.347
it's like somebody finding

00:35:39.387 --> 00:35:41.389
that frame of the arthur um

00:35:41.670 --> 00:35:43.150
cartoon where his fist is

00:35:43.271 --> 00:35:44.092
clenched it looks like

00:35:44.152 --> 00:35:44.992
arthur's gonna fucking

00:35:45.032 --> 00:35:46.434
murder somebody you know it

00:35:47.173 --> 00:35:50.376
there's and that reading you

00:35:50.396 --> 00:35:51.617
know again let's break out

00:35:51.637 --> 00:35:52.798
the humanities degree crack

00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:54.820
you know reading a text

00:35:55.641 --> 00:35:57.141
against its intended

00:35:57.322 --> 00:35:59.184
purpose right looking at

00:35:59.204 --> 00:36:00.525
the Arthur comic and being

00:36:00.585 --> 00:36:02.266
like let's make this about

00:36:02.585 --> 00:36:05.449
a man a bear who is bottled

00:36:05.568 --> 00:36:07.130
up and ready to crack like

00:36:07.349 --> 00:36:08.291
reading it against the

00:36:08.331 --> 00:36:10.052
grain is like subversive

00:36:10.172 --> 00:36:11.393
and funny and cool and

00:36:11.432 --> 00:36:12.594
that's like again something

00:36:12.634 --> 00:36:14.496
that the best memes have and

00:36:15.784 --> 00:36:17.186
A lot of the meme coin shit

00:36:17.206 --> 00:36:17.987
is just trying to like...

00:36:19.548 --> 00:36:20.210
Some of them work.

00:36:20.289 --> 00:36:21.431
Dogecoin fucking worked

00:36:21.451 --> 00:36:23.452
because it was just like, hey, look,

00:36:23.833 --> 00:36:25.375
Bitcoin at the time was like,

00:36:25.635 --> 00:36:26.956
this is the future of money.

00:36:27.177 --> 00:36:28.659
If you went to a Bitcoin meetup,

00:36:28.699 --> 00:36:29.398
it was all fucking...

00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.402
Everybody was cosplaying as

00:36:31.461 --> 00:36:32.342
Neo from the Matrix.

00:36:32.382 --> 00:36:33.764
It was fucking hilarious.

00:36:33.804 --> 00:36:34.844
It was genuinely kind of

00:36:35.045 --> 00:36:36.146
cool and dorky and...

00:36:36.766 --> 00:36:38.827
And then Dogecoin is like, no, no, no,

00:36:38.847 --> 00:36:40.068
we're all fucking clouds.

00:36:41.228 --> 00:36:42.347
Just straight away, it's like, yeah,

00:36:42.588 --> 00:36:42.907
I get it.

00:36:44.028 --> 00:36:45.469
This is what we're really doing, right?

00:36:45.548 --> 00:36:48.289
It's fucking Doge to the, yeah, amazing.

00:36:48.849 --> 00:36:49.989
But trying to like bottle

00:36:50.070 --> 00:36:51.510
lightning as consistently

00:36:51.550 --> 00:36:52.849
as meme coins seem to do,

00:36:53.349 --> 00:36:55.110
or meme coin creators, the idea like,

00:36:55.170 --> 00:36:56.731
we're going to be a meme coin creator.

00:36:57.271 --> 00:36:57.610
Ah, yes,

00:36:58.050 --> 00:36:59.711
I'm going to make some choice meme coins.

00:36:59.952 --> 00:37:02.012
Like, it's just like an insane idea.

00:37:02.311 --> 00:37:04.833
But the most insane thing about it is,

00:37:04.893 --> 00:37:06.293
number one, that people demand

00:37:06.713 --> 00:37:08.094
that a network have a meme

00:37:08.134 --> 00:37:09.293
coin now like it's expected

00:37:09.333 --> 00:37:11.856
as a feature and second of

00:37:11.896 --> 00:37:13.416
all that people fucking buy

00:37:13.476 --> 00:37:14.757
into it like people do just

00:37:14.797 --> 00:37:15.476
create this completely

00:37:15.516 --> 00:37:16.378
artificial meme coins and

00:37:16.398 --> 00:37:17.938
people just they just want

00:37:17.958 --> 00:37:19.838
to have fun make money I

00:37:19.918 --> 00:37:21.139
know nobody gives a shit

00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:22.300
about the rest of this no

00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:23.260
but they're buying it's

00:37:23.300 --> 00:37:24.302
like it's it's like the

00:37:24.342 --> 00:37:24.942
difference between

00:37:26.706 --> 00:37:28.168
I mean, it's like that,

00:37:29.030 --> 00:37:30.231
but it's not a meme, right?

00:37:30.891 --> 00:37:31.873
Unless it has those

00:37:31.974 --> 00:37:33.596
qualities of surprise and

00:37:33.675 --> 00:37:34.737
subversion and stuff.

00:37:35.077 --> 00:37:35.938
It doesn't have to be a meme.

00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:38.222
People want to have fun and make money.

00:37:38.692 --> 00:37:38.972
That's it.

00:37:39.432 --> 00:37:39.793
Yeah,

00:37:39.972 --> 00:37:42.695
but then it's a fun entertainment product,

00:37:42.715 --> 00:37:43.596
but it's not a meme.

00:37:44.336 --> 00:37:47.018
It's a packaged corporate experience.

00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:47.739
Why would it be that?

00:37:47.778 --> 00:37:48.559
If somebody sits down one

00:37:48.579 --> 00:37:49.420
day and they're like, ah, yes,

00:37:49.460 --> 00:37:50.320
this meme shall be this,

00:37:50.420 --> 00:37:51.181
and here is the utility in the meme,

00:37:51.202 --> 00:37:51.481
then... I mean...

00:38:00.262 --> 00:38:00.902
No,

00:38:00.983 --> 00:38:02.224
nobody's fucking writing a dictionary

00:38:02.244 --> 00:38:03.666
definition around meme coin.

00:38:03.766 --> 00:38:05.768
That's the opposite of what's happening.

00:38:05.788 --> 00:38:06.048
Yeah,

00:38:06.068 --> 00:38:07.489
but I feel like that's what some of

00:38:07.530 --> 00:38:09.452
these meme coins are, though.

00:38:09.632 --> 00:38:11.574
It feels like this network

00:38:11.614 --> 00:38:13.016
does not have a meme coin.

00:38:13.556 --> 00:38:16.159
And it's like, well, we must create one.

00:38:17.101 --> 00:38:18.262
It's kind of like the whole

00:38:18.302 --> 00:38:18.983
corporation thing.

00:38:19.003 --> 00:38:20.043
The French accent.

00:38:20.063 --> 00:38:20.585
Yeah.

00:38:21.952 --> 00:38:22.414
Yeah.

00:38:22.434 --> 00:38:22.773
Why not?

00:38:22.813 --> 00:38:26.436
Why is that coming there?

00:38:26.476 --> 00:38:26.996
I love French.

00:38:27.016 --> 00:38:28.356
Some of my best friends are French people.

00:38:28.436 --> 00:38:29.898
Anyway, but right.

00:38:29.938 --> 00:38:30.077
Right.

00:38:30.097 --> 00:38:31.378
So like compare and contrast,

00:38:31.418 --> 00:38:33.039
like almost every fucking meme,

00:38:33.619 --> 00:38:34.800
a meme coin in cosmos

00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:37.103
versus Rama's corporation.

00:38:37.543 --> 00:38:39.184
Like the corporation was a funny meme.

00:38:39.304 --> 00:38:41.284
That was a really good meme.

00:38:41.925 --> 00:38:42.786
If there, if that,

00:38:42.846 --> 00:38:43.987
that had been like a coin

00:38:44.047 --> 00:38:44.907
rather than NFTs,

00:38:44.927 --> 00:38:46.347
which NFTs fit that better.

00:38:46.387 --> 00:38:46.568
Right.

00:38:46.608 --> 00:38:48.248
But that was a lot of fun.

00:38:48.909 --> 00:38:49.690
I didn't make any money though.

00:38:50.630 --> 00:38:50.791
Well,

00:38:52.043 --> 00:38:54.204
right but that's but most

00:38:54.605 --> 00:38:55.746
genuinely entertaining

00:38:55.947 --> 00:38:56.927
creative things don't

00:38:56.967 --> 00:38:58.148
fucking make any money I

00:38:58.188 --> 00:39:00.731
spent too many years of my

00:39:00.771 --> 00:39:01.570
life hanging out on the

00:39:01.610 --> 00:39:02.813
music scene and I fucking

00:39:02.833 --> 00:39:03.773
know that the people who

00:39:03.813 --> 00:39:05.554
made the best shit didn't

00:39:05.594 --> 00:39:06.635
necessarily make any

00:39:06.715 --> 00:39:08.557
fucking money from it but

00:39:10.099 --> 00:39:11.400
the creative stuff they did

00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:12.601
was more valuable than any

00:39:12.641 --> 00:39:14.101
of the fucking shit this

00:39:14.282 --> 00:39:16.644
pump that fun site is making me tear up

00:39:17.708 --> 00:39:18.949
Did you guys actually look at this?

00:39:19.268 --> 00:39:19.929
That's the one that,

00:39:19.969 --> 00:39:21.231
that's the one that this is Lincoln.

00:39:21.291 --> 00:39:21.811
This is the,

00:39:22.150 --> 00:39:23.552
this is the site that I think

00:39:23.592 --> 00:39:25.974
supports this, this meme point today.

00:39:26.014 --> 00:39:26.193
I was,

00:39:26.255 --> 00:39:28.155
I was actually trying to do some

00:39:28.195 --> 00:39:29.657
trades on DYDX on osmosis.

00:39:30.137 --> 00:39:32.079
And so the DYDX USDC pool

00:39:32.818 --> 00:39:34.380
has like 140 grand in it.

00:39:34.740 --> 00:39:35.440
That's the whole pool.

00:39:35.621 --> 00:39:36.541
It was like 140,000.

00:39:36.621 --> 00:39:37.163
I had like 15,000.

00:39:37.202 --> 00:39:38.364
So my, it was going to like,

00:39:38.824 --> 00:39:39.184
it was going to,

00:39:39.403 --> 00:39:40.385
it was going to deep peg by like 15%,

00:39:40.385 --> 00:39:42.065
like just because of the,

00:39:42.206 --> 00:39:43.327
the amount of the size of the trade.

00:39:43.347 --> 00:39:43.628
It was like,

00:39:43.768 --> 00:39:45.228
I was moving level one 10th of the pool.

00:39:46.407 --> 00:39:47.509
There's a picture of a dog

00:39:47.849 --> 00:39:49.170
on this site that has more

00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:53.032
liquidity and TVL than that

00:39:53.072 --> 00:39:54.454
DYDX USDC pool.

00:39:54.735 --> 00:39:55.775
There's a picture of a dog

00:39:55.835 --> 00:39:58.137
and a hat on this site that

00:40:00.898 --> 00:40:02.019
has more liquidity

00:40:02.059 --> 00:40:03.561
associated to it or more TVL.

00:40:04.521 --> 00:40:05.163
That's really cool.

00:40:05.503 --> 00:40:06.204
I think that's really neat.

00:40:07.076 --> 00:40:07.876
People just want to have fun.

00:40:08.175 --> 00:40:08.496
That's it.

00:40:08.775 --> 00:40:09.836
I've changed my mind.

00:40:09.856 --> 00:40:11.556
Withdraw my whatever.

00:40:11.577 --> 00:40:13.197
This is absolutely stupid.

00:40:13.257 --> 00:40:13.677
I love it.

00:40:13.797 --> 00:40:14.318
Whatever.

00:40:14.498 --> 00:40:15.797
Picture of a dog with a hat.

00:40:17.059 --> 00:40:18.079
I genuinely think a lot of

00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:20.679
it is people not really

00:40:20.699 --> 00:40:21.519
understanding what's going on.

00:40:21.579 --> 00:40:22.380
So absolutely,

00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:23.320
there's a side of people

00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:24.340
don't have fun and everything.

00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.001
I think a bigger portion of

00:40:26.121 --> 00:40:28.702
it is a lottery,

00:40:28.722 --> 00:40:30.481
basically a lottery mentality, gambling.

00:40:31.302 --> 00:40:31.983
And I don't understand how

00:40:32.023 --> 00:40:32.762
market caps work.

00:40:33.813 --> 00:40:34.293
From what I've seen,

00:40:34.353 --> 00:40:35.735
like having browsed Reddit

00:40:35.775 --> 00:40:37.494
a bunch on like the

00:40:38.135 --> 00:40:39.916
cryptocurrency subreddit, people are like,

00:40:40.657 --> 00:40:43.597
Shiba Inu is like 0.0001 cents, right?

00:40:44.557 --> 00:40:46.219
Like it won't take much to get to one cent,

00:40:46.378 --> 00:40:47.719
not knowing that it going

00:40:47.759 --> 00:40:48.559
to one cent means it has

00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:50.900
like 100 times the market cap of Bitcoin.

00:40:51.340 --> 00:40:52.960
That discourse I've never seen.

00:40:53.302 --> 00:40:54.202
And so they see these low

00:40:54.242 --> 00:40:55.541
values and they're like, Jesus God,

00:40:55.862 --> 00:40:57.262
what could it be if it were like,

00:40:58.003 --> 00:40:59.423
it could easily go to Bitcoin already.

00:41:00.659 --> 00:41:01.681
And I just don't see it happening.

00:41:01.740 --> 00:41:03.242
I think that's the biggest

00:41:03.322 --> 00:41:04.782
point is that they don't

00:41:04.822 --> 00:41:06.644
understand market caps and

00:41:06.664 --> 00:41:07.224
they want to gamble.

00:41:08.025 --> 00:41:08.585
And then they see that

00:41:08.606 --> 00:41:09.447
there's already discourse

00:41:09.487 --> 00:41:09.987
around something.

00:41:10.027 --> 00:41:10.728
And so they're like, okay,

00:41:10.748 --> 00:41:11.307
I'll gamble now.

00:41:11.387 --> 00:41:13.610
Market cap, that's a byproduct, right?

00:41:14.650 --> 00:41:16.972
Like an investor buys based

00:41:17.012 --> 00:41:17.672
off market cap.

00:41:19.454 --> 00:41:20.394
But these aren't investors.

00:41:20.454 --> 00:41:21.235
This is not investing.

00:41:22.469 --> 00:41:23.610
This is,

00:41:23.630 --> 00:41:24.871
I want to have fun to make money

00:41:24.952 --> 00:41:25.813
and the numbers going up.

00:41:25.833 --> 00:41:26.655
So I'm gonna throw money at it.

00:41:26.815 --> 00:41:27.775
If, if the,

00:41:27.916 --> 00:41:29.478
if the market cap was four X Bitcoin,

00:41:29.637 --> 00:41:30.519
people would still do it.

00:41:32.021 --> 00:41:32.141
Right.

00:41:32.181 --> 00:41:32.641
It wouldn't matter.

00:41:32.702 --> 00:41:33.123
It wouldn't make a

00:41:33.143 --> 00:41:34.324
difference because that's

00:41:34.344 --> 00:41:35.405
not like nobody's doing that.

00:41:35.425 --> 00:41:36.427
I mean, nobody's doing that research.

00:41:36.447 --> 00:41:37.389
I wouldn't do that research either.

00:41:37.429 --> 00:41:38.269
Well, I wouldn't buy shipping,

00:41:38.289 --> 00:41:39.572
but regardless.

00:41:41.014 --> 00:41:41.394
Take that away.

00:41:41.414 --> 00:41:42.697
I didn't mean to say that.

00:41:43.137 --> 00:41:43.777
But take that away.

00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:44.659
It's the same thing, right?

00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:45.740
You're just going to have fun with it.

00:41:46.021 --> 00:41:47.882
And if enough people, it's all eyeballs,

00:41:47.943 --> 00:41:48.103
right?

00:41:48.643 --> 00:41:50.045
So if enough people see that,

00:41:50.065 --> 00:41:51.447
they're not looking and going, holy shit,

00:41:51.467 --> 00:41:52.708
this is worth more value than Bitcoin,

00:41:52.728 --> 00:41:53.349
except for the people who

00:41:53.369 --> 00:41:54.710
are early and going, holy shit,

00:41:54.731 --> 00:41:55.771
this is more value than Bitcoin.

00:41:57.353 --> 00:41:58.615
Yeah, but I think that's my problem,

00:41:58.655 --> 00:41:58.835
right?

00:41:58.876 --> 00:42:00.797
Like, if I can see that...

00:42:01.775 --> 00:42:02.554
I can buy into this meme

00:42:02.594 --> 00:42:05.235
coin and it can maybe go up 10%,

00:42:05.235 --> 00:42:06.777
which for like Shiba Inu right now,

00:42:07.117 --> 00:42:08.077
that's probably like what

00:42:08.318 --> 00:42:09.338
it can go for at this point.

00:42:09.398 --> 00:42:09.938
Because then it would hit

00:42:09.978 --> 00:42:10.898
Doge's market cap.

00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:13.780
If I know that 10% is like my maximum cap,

00:42:14.019 --> 00:42:15.681
there's no way I'm going into meme coin.

00:42:16.101 --> 00:42:18.161
But what I'm saying is not a

00:42:18.202 --> 00:42:19.541
lot of people do that final

00:42:19.641 --> 00:42:20.603
step of analysis.

00:42:20.782 --> 00:42:22.362
Analysis takes like eight seconds.

00:42:23.623 --> 00:42:24.844
And so I think that's why

00:42:24.923 --> 00:42:26.005
they just look at the

00:42:26.025 --> 00:42:26.965
actual price of the token.

00:42:27.545 --> 00:42:29.887
That's kind of irrelevant

00:42:29.907 --> 00:42:30.347
when it comes to it.

00:42:30.367 --> 00:42:30.626
Totally agree.

00:42:31.208 --> 00:42:31.548
Yeah.

00:42:31.708 --> 00:42:32.168
I totally agree.

00:42:32.389 --> 00:42:32.588
Yeah.

00:42:32.650 --> 00:42:33.230
No, I totally agree.

00:42:33.250 --> 00:42:33.449
I think,

00:42:33.869 --> 00:42:35.309
and then that works the opposite way.

00:42:35.329 --> 00:42:36.771
So like if you have actual

00:42:36.851 --> 00:42:38.030
projects that are trying to

00:42:38.090 --> 00:42:39.112
do something and they're at,

00:42:39.891 --> 00:42:41.492
they're at 0.002 cents,

00:42:41.873 --> 00:42:42.733
nobody invested with them.

00:42:42.753 --> 00:42:44.753
If you had a meme coin at 0.002 cents,

00:42:44.773 --> 00:42:45.873
you're like, holy shit, I'm early.

00:42:47.795 --> 00:42:47.974
Right.

00:42:48.014 --> 00:42:48.195
Yeah.

00:42:48.795 --> 00:42:50.536
Nobody wants to buy osmosis at 22 cents,

00:42:50.596 --> 00:42:51.195
but if it's at,

00:42:51.836 --> 00:42:52.938
you know,

00:42:52.938 --> 00:42:54.518
$1.70 for the 10 bucks or the

00:42:54.538 --> 00:42:55.278
hubs at $11.

00:42:55.278 --> 00:42:55.539
Okay.

00:42:55.898 --> 00:42:57.259
This is a real, this is a real thing.

00:42:57.300 --> 00:42:58.539
Like it's got value to this token,

00:42:58.579 --> 00:42:59.840
even though that totally means nothing.

00:42:59.860 --> 00:42:59.960
Right.

00:42:59.981 --> 00:43:00.601
It's the same thing as like

00:43:00.641 --> 00:43:04.583
buying a stock at $2 versus $20,000.

00:43:04.583 --> 00:43:05.222
It's all relative.

00:43:05.242 --> 00:43:05.342
Right.

00:43:05.362 --> 00:43:06.844
But there's still like a

00:43:06.943 --> 00:43:07.603
piece of that where

00:43:08.184 --> 00:43:09.224
individuals don't really understand,

00:43:09.284 --> 00:43:10.244
necessarily understand that,

00:43:10.425 --> 00:43:11.885
or they might just ignore it.

00:43:11.925 --> 00:43:12.766
And they just look at it and say,

00:43:12.786 --> 00:43:13.327
how cheap is it?

00:43:13.387 --> 00:43:14.027
Oh, that's cheap.

00:43:14.126 --> 00:43:14.327
Right.

00:43:14.367 --> 00:43:15.708
Versus something else that is expensive,

00:43:15.768 --> 00:43:17.509
not knowing what that cheap

00:43:17.548 --> 00:43:18.748
versus expensive actually means.

00:43:19.269 --> 00:43:20.070
So yeah,

00:43:20.356 --> 00:43:22.496
But in the grand scheme of things,

00:43:23.036 --> 00:43:23.916
that meme coin piece,

00:43:23.936 --> 00:43:26.338
I think the cheaper it is, I mean, well,

00:43:26.358 --> 00:43:27.797
maybe it's got nine zeros

00:43:27.818 --> 00:43:29.119
in front of it like Chihuahua.

00:43:29.179 --> 00:43:30.099
Actually, how's Chihuahua doing?

00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:30.579
I haven't looked.

00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:32.840
World rich.

00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:34.880
Is that past Bitcoin yet?

00:43:36.521 --> 00:43:37.181
How is the Wawa?

00:43:38.791 --> 00:43:40.293
my my favorite non-argument

00:43:40.373 --> 00:43:41.373
about meme coins when

00:43:41.393 --> 00:43:42.534
people are like oh no it's

00:43:42.713 --> 00:43:43.635
it's it's just different

00:43:43.695 --> 00:43:45.295
it's like um it's like

00:43:45.375 --> 00:43:46.856
penny stocks versus you

00:43:46.896 --> 00:43:48.856
know like exchange traded

00:43:48.916 --> 00:43:50.657
stocks you know like first

00:43:50.697 --> 00:43:54.900
of all even decent

00:43:55.300 --> 00:43:56.920
blockchains are not like

00:43:58.382 --> 00:44:01.804
not like exchange traded stocks so the um

00:44:02.994 --> 00:44:04.476
Well, I suppose, you know,

00:44:04.835 --> 00:44:05.775
maybe it would be

00:44:05.815 --> 00:44:07.077
interesting to know the

00:44:07.257 --> 00:44:09.277
average failure of penny

00:44:09.297 --> 00:44:11.259
stocks versus shit coins.

00:44:11.278 --> 00:44:12.518
Sorry, meme coins.

00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:14.920
All coins are shit coins in the long run,

00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:16.201
but meme coins.

00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:21.822
Because I reckon on the time scale we have,

00:44:21.923 --> 00:44:22.784
which is still like

00:44:22.884 --> 00:44:24.784
relatively early before

00:44:24.885 --> 00:44:26.005
things have completely run

00:44:26.065 --> 00:44:28.246
out of steam and died

00:44:28.306 --> 00:44:29.347
because of lack of miners.

00:44:30.085 --> 00:44:30.706
I reckon you're,

00:44:30.947 --> 00:44:31.887
you're more likely to lose

00:44:31.967 --> 00:44:35.311
money to zero anyway on a penny stock.

00:44:36.291 --> 00:44:40.916
Maybe somebody can write

00:44:40.936 --> 00:44:42.958
that research paper, but it shall not be.

00:44:43.137 --> 00:44:45.300
It's like, it's not part of your PhD.

00:44:46.300 --> 00:44:48.922
I have to do something useful.

00:44:48.963 --> 00:44:50.043
No, no, no.

00:44:50.083 --> 00:44:51.344
That would be an interesting paper.

00:44:51.405 --> 00:44:52.445
I would read that paper,

00:44:52.746 --> 00:44:54.168
but I do not want to write that paper.

00:44:55.128 --> 00:44:55.208
Um,

00:44:56.338 --> 00:44:58.697
i uh one of the things I

00:44:58.717 --> 00:44:59.918
have to do at the moment is

00:45:00.139 --> 00:45:01.898
architect a um essentially

00:45:01.918 --> 00:45:03.878
a proof of authority um

00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.820
ledger uh for for handling

00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:08.619
sort of merkle try

00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:10.300
commitments and it's one of

00:45:10.340 --> 00:45:11.541
those things where somebody

00:45:11.701 --> 00:45:12.780
somebody just went well

00:45:12.820 --> 00:45:13.621
it's actually relatively

00:45:13.661 --> 00:45:14.340
simple because it's

00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:15.322
permissioned I mean I

00:45:15.362 --> 00:45:16.422
reckon this is probably

00:45:16.481 --> 00:45:17.362
only a couple of months of

00:45:17.402 --> 00:45:18.541
work and I was like it's

00:45:18.561 --> 00:45:19.922
still the byzantine fault

00:45:19.943 --> 00:45:21.682
tolerant ledger I mean it's not

00:45:22.757 --> 00:45:24.918
it's not no work and it's

00:45:24.958 --> 00:45:26.599
just like oh okay oh fair

00:45:26.619 --> 00:45:27.579
enough fair enough well

00:45:27.619 --> 00:45:30.402
have you like I don't know

00:45:31.163 --> 00:45:32.443
it's funny how much

00:45:32.623 --> 00:45:34.405
academia is exactly the

00:45:34.445 --> 00:45:35.525
same as working for a big

00:45:35.565 --> 00:45:37.728
company where there's that

00:45:37.827 --> 00:45:38.648
where people are just sort

00:45:38.668 --> 00:45:39.688
of like no thing needs to

00:45:39.708 --> 00:45:40.989
be done at a really bad

00:45:41.130 --> 00:45:42.670
estimating times and it's

00:45:42.710 --> 00:45:43.791
just like well the

00:45:43.851 --> 00:45:44.972
university of geneva needs

00:45:45.012 --> 00:45:45.972
something by the end of the

00:45:46.333 --> 00:45:47.653
end of december we have

00:45:47.713 --> 00:45:48.675
like said that would help

00:45:48.735 --> 00:45:50.096
them so you know or whoever

00:45:50.135 --> 00:45:51.056
it might be and you're like

00:45:52.481 --> 00:45:53.121
Okey-dokey.

00:45:54.742 --> 00:45:57.043
So where's the army that's

00:45:57.063 --> 00:45:57.764
going to build this?

00:45:57.804 --> 00:45:59.005
Where's the army of interns

00:45:59.465 --> 00:46:00.565
and second-year students

00:46:00.606 --> 00:46:01.427
that are going to build this?

00:46:01.447 --> 00:46:05.190
Because it shall not be I alone.

00:46:05.889 --> 00:46:07.170
That's not how this party goes.

00:46:09.012 --> 00:46:12.114
So in conclusion, with invest now,

00:46:12.353 --> 00:46:13.375
not financial advice.

00:46:14.235 --> 00:46:16.257
Send it to the moon, not financial advice.

00:46:18.759 --> 00:46:20.179
It's worth more than osmosis.

00:46:20.980 --> 00:46:22.161
You surfers crying inside.

00:46:23.666 --> 00:46:25.246
I mean that dog, I mean, it's a cool dog,

00:46:25.286 --> 00:46:27.586
but like, sure.

00:46:27.606 --> 00:46:28.766
So can you just take a picture of,

00:46:28.967 --> 00:46:30.467
of one of your dogs and we just like,

00:46:30.967 --> 00:46:32.027
we can be all set.

00:46:32.047 --> 00:46:34.148
Let's just three, three validators.

00:46:34.347 --> 00:46:35.548
If no asks nicely,

00:46:35.869 --> 00:46:37.108
no can turn on a validator

00:46:37.128 --> 00:46:37.969
for validators.

00:46:37.989 --> 00:46:38.389
There we go.

00:46:38.409 --> 00:46:39.829
We're Byzantine fault tolerant.

00:46:41.449 --> 00:46:42.250
We can change the name of

00:46:42.269 --> 00:46:44.530
the podcast to Byzantine

00:46:44.550 --> 00:46:45.570
fault tolerance as fuck.

00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.001
We can survive two of us turning off.

00:46:51.362 --> 00:46:53.003
And then we send that coin to the moon.

00:46:53.204 --> 00:46:55.266
And then as soon as it gets over a dollar,

00:46:55.286 --> 00:46:55.746
we rug it.

00:46:56.206 --> 00:46:56.688
What do you reckon?

00:46:57.969 --> 00:46:58.809
Friend with hat.

00:46:59.570 --> 00:47:01.552
Now it's a pool on radium.

00:47:02.293 --> 00:47:02.934
Fucking hell.

00:47:05.775 --> 00:47:07.117
That is amazing.

00:47:07.998 --> 00:47:09.460
I'll put both links to both

00:47:09.500 --> 00:47:10.581
these in the show notes

00:47:10.601 --> 00:47:11.942
because you can cry at home.

00:47:15.619 --> 00:47:16.000
If you want.

00:47:16.059 --> 00:47:17.762
Somebody just bought three Solworth.

00:47:19.003 --> 00:47:19.342
What is that?

00:47:19.422 --> 00:47:19.682
That's like $300.

00:47:19.722 --> 00:47:19.963
$400, I think.

00:47:20.043 --> 00:47:21.605
Is it over $100 now?

00:47:21.625 --> 00:47:22.965
Was it $130 or so last I checked?

00:47:22.985 --> 00:47:23.306
But I checked.

00:47:23.385 --> 00:47:25.047
Oh, Jesus.

00:47:25.067 --> 00:47:25.867
Solana, $131.77 right now.

00:47:25.887 --> 00:47:26.507
I have some Solana.

00:47:26.527 --> 00:47:28.009
Wow, it's number five right now.

00:47:28.849 --> 00:47:28.909
Wow.

00:47:28.949 --> 00:47:31.012
But what?

00:47:31.152 --> 00:47:31.291
Oh, hey.

00:47:47.414 --> 00:47:47.635
what?

00:47:49.436 --> 00:47:50.617
You know that scene in,

00:47:50.657 --> 00:47:51.677
what's the film I'm thinking of?

00:47:51.697 --> 00:47:52.918
You know Zoolander where

00:47:52.958 --> 00:47:56.181
they have the model off and

00:47:56.202 --> 00:47:57.143
there's the bit where Owen

00:47:57.163 --> 00:47:58.583
Wilson has like a tiny bit

00:47:58.664 --> 00:47:59.804
of his hair in his eye.

00:47:59.844 --> 00:48:03.367
He's like, just cut it out, cut it out.

00:48:03.447 --> 00:48:04.007
And somebody just comes

00:48:04.027 --> 00:48:04.889
along with a tiny pair of

00:48:04.949 --> 00:48:06.030
scissors and just clips off

00:48:06.050 --> 00:48:07.251
the bit that's got in his eye.

00:48:07.271 --> 00:48:10.092
I feel like that's the only

00:48:10.132 --> 00:48:11.273
reasonable reaction to the

00:48:12.074 --> 00:48:12.855
Solana at over $100.

00:48:12.855 --> 00:48:13.436
How about it?

00:48:17.152 --> 00:48:17.333
Yeah.

00:48:18.673 --> 00:48:19.335
Am I still?

00:48:19.375 --> 00:48:20.215
I'm still staked in this.

00:48:20.795 --> 00:48:21.737
I guess I am still staked.

00:48:21.856 --> 00:48:22.297
How about that?

00:48:22.577 --> 00:48:22.958
Near is at $5.80.

00:48:23.478 --> 00:48:24.958
It's up 52% this week.

00:48:24.978 --> 00:48:25.480
I'm pretty excited.

00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:25.920
How about it?

00:48:29.186 --> 00:48:30.427
You know I always talk good about Nier.

00:48:30.447 --> 00:48:34.969
I mean, we can talk freely about Altos,

00:48:35.050 --> 00:48:36.610
actually, while Null's not here,

00:48:36.630 --> 00:48:37.771
can't we?

00:48:37.992 --> 00:48:42.795
I've noticed that that is going up.

00:48:42.795 --> 00:48:43.054
1370,

00:48:43.054 --> 00:48:44.976
and I think overnight it hit... Rising.

00:48:45.456 --> 00:48:47.737
Somebody said, one of the news articles,

00:48:48.016 --> 00:48:48.958
it said it hit 15,

00:48:48.958 --> 00:48:50.039
but it didn't hit 15 at Kraken.

00:48:50.059 --> 00:48:51.639
It was like 14.7 or something like that.

00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:52.699
I think during that huge...

00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:53.519
It got that high.

00:48:54.001 --> 00:48:55.541
It got to 14.70 or something like that.

00:48:55.802 --> 00:48:56.402
Somebody said it hit $15,

00:48:56.402 --> 00:48:58.900
but I don't think it hit $15.

00:48:58.900 --> 00:49:00.442
But I think Aptos all-time high is like 18,

00:49:00.442 --> 00:49:00.943
right?

00:49:02.384 --> 00:49:02.943
Something like that.

00:49:03.103 --> 00:49:03.244
Yeah,

00:49:03.304 --> 00:49:05.806
but for like one second and one trade.

00:49:06.586 --> 00:49:06.786
Yeah.

00:49:07.086 --> 00:49:07.668
Wasn't mine.

00:49:09.588 --> 00:49:10.389
Rama didn't actually put

00:49:10.409 --> 00:49:11.030
this news point up there,

00:49:11.070 --> 00:49:11.951
but I think the reason for

00:49:11.971 --> 00:49:13.271
a lot of this pump is

00:49:14.873 --> 00:49:17.215
there's a new grayscale ETF coming out,

00:49:17.335 --> 00:49:18.155
which is for,

00:49:18.175 --> 00:49:19.295
it's called like the income

00:49:19.376 --> 00:49:20.336
ETF or something like that.

00:49:20.356 --> 00:49:22.739
And it's going to be staking of Near, Atom,

00:49:22.998 --> 00:49:24.860
Aptos, Solana,

00:49:26.318 --> 00:49:28.159
Coinbase Ethereum, not like Lido Ethereum,

00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:29.661
Coinbase, Staked Ethereum,

00:49:29.721 --> 00:49:30.922
and one or two other things.

00:49:31.041 --> 00:49:32.043
Celestia is another one.

00:49:33.364 --> 00:49:34.344
Yeah, weird that Celestia is one.

00:49:34.364 --> 00:49:34.905
Injective?

00:49:36.346 --> 00:49:37.166
No, not Injective.

00:49:37.606 --> 00:49:38.148
No, no.

00:49:38.168 --> 00:49:39.228
I think it was Celestia.

00:49:39.248 --> 00:49:40.048
It was one of those.

00:49:40.108 --> 00:49:40.389
Yeah.

00:49:41.070 --> 00:49:41.871
Oh, and Say as well.

00:49:42.150 --> 00:49:42.670
Oh, and Say.

00:49:42.690 --> 00:49:43.572
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:43.692 --> 00:49:43.871
Yeah.

00:49:45.434 --> 00:49:46.815
Say is not feeling the pump this week,

00:49:46.855 --> 00:49:48.695
but... No.

00:49:48.715 --> 00:49:50.077
Yeah, so that was... Yeah,

00:49:50.117 --> 00:49:51.579
that was a weird selection of tokens,

00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:51.898
I thought.

00:49:53.222 --> 00:49:53.902
wouldn't have been my first

00:49:53.922 --> 00:49:54.983
choices on any of those but

00:49:55.623 --> 00:49:56.563
but it was an interesting

00:49:56.764 --> 00:49:57.684
it's an interesting mix of

00:49:57.804 --> 00:49:59.364
osmosis we literally forgot

00:49:59.565 --> 00:50:03.846
osmosis yeah which is I

00:50:04.126 --> 00:50:05.085
mean I mean it's a small

00:50:05.106 --> 00:50:06.126
token it's only at half of

00:50:06.166 --> 00:50:08.367
this meme coin one as we

00:50:08.467 --> 00:50:09.347
pointed out so well you

00:50:09.367 --> 00:50:12.487
know is that dog in this is

00:50:12.507 --> 00:50:14.708
that the dog get that dog

00:50:14.728 --> 00:50:15.929
get that dog in this in

00:50:15.949 --> 00:50:17.009
this gray scale thing

00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:19.541
Well, I mean, there was,

00:50:19.601 --> 00:50:21.682
there was a lot of memeage around, uh,

00:50:22.864 --> 00:50:23.965
you know, Osmo and,

00:50:24.266 --> 00:50:26.807
and Wasmington and stuff, but it,

00:50:28.289 --> 00:50:29.891
Osmosis is value is so

00:50:29.972 --> 00:50:32.793
contingent on the whole of

00:50:32.815 --> 00:50:34.615
the cosmos having momentum, right?

00:50:34.735 --> 00:50:35.436
Cause it's the cosmos.

00:50:35.456 --> 00:50:35.577
So, ah,

00:50:41.257 --> 00:50:42.257
But does it have a hat?

00:50:43.677 --> 00:50:44.818
None of these tokens have hats.

00:50:44.958 --> 00:50:47.018
This is a bunch of bullshit.

00:50:47.478 --> 00:50:48.978
What we need is Stargaze to

00:50:49.018 --> 00:50:49.938
pull the whole of the

00:50:49.978 --> 00:50:52.418
cosmos back to relevance.

00:50:52.539 --> 00:50:54.059
Speaking of disappointing tokens this week,

00:50:54.139 --> 00:50:55.800
although it is up 12% today,

00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:57.000
but it dropped from 5.5% to

00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:58.121
3.5% or something like that.

00:50:58.141 --> 00:50:58.920
I don't know why.

00:50:58.940 --> 00:50:59.121
Yeah.

00:50:59.141 --> 00:50:59.820
We have a lot of Stargaze.

00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:01.141
Let's just put it that way.

00:51:01.601 --> 00:51:01.780
If we...

00:51:11.128 --> 00:51:13.911
If Stargaze got to $1,

00:51:13.911 --> 00:51:16.974
then there would be an

00:51:17.034 --> 00:51:18.635
empty chair here on Game of Nodes,

00:51:18.755 --> 00:51:21.438
and there would be a lot of

00:51:21.577 --> 00:51:23.639
sudden interest in a beach holiday.

00:51:23.659 --> 00:51:25.942
I've said that on a bunch of tokens.

00:51:28.717 --> 00:51:32.398
When we were first in Helium,

00:51:32.438 --> 00:51:33.679
like when that was really going well,

00:51:33.778 --> 00:51:36.059
and it's actually at $8,

00:51:36.059 --> 00:51:39.181
but it hit like $45 or whatever.

00:51:39.202 --> 00:51:39.521
And it was,

00:51:40.181 --> 00:51:41.023
and that's like a really long

00:51:41.043 --> 00:51:41.523
staking period.

00:51:41.563 --> 00:51:43.023
Like it's a six month unbonding period.

00:51:44.503 --> 00:51:46.264
So it's a really, it's really long.

00:51:46.284 --> 00:51:47.385
I mean,

00:51:47.405 --> 00:51:48.585
you're either in or you're out type

00:51:48.606 --> 00:51:48.786
of thing.

00:51:49.666 --> 00:51:50.447
But I remember hitting like,

00:51:50.467 --> 00:51:51.367
if that thing hits $100,

00:51:51.367 --> 00:51:52.467
I'm throwing everything,

00:51:52.568 --> 00:51:53.728
all my computers into the sea.

00:51:54.708 --> 00:51:55.688
They're all going away.

00:51:56.309 --> 00:51:56.929
Let that thing go.

00:51:58.532 --> 00:51:59.032
Not happening.

00:52:00.693 --> 00:52:00.954
Yeah.

00:52:03.494 --> 00:52:04.394
Stargaze hits a buck.

00:52:05.175 --> 00:52:06.576
Yeah, that would be pretty wild.

00:52:07.617 --> 00:52:08.516
I'd be a big fan of that.

00:52:08.556 --> 00:52:08.836
I mean,

00:52:08.896 --> 00:52:10.818
I don't think... I think the

00:52:10.858 --> 00:52:12.038
tokenomics is designed so

00:52:12.057 --> 00:52:14.338
that's basically impossible.

00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:16.719
DYDX is at $4.

00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:18.141
It's pretty high.

00:52:18.181 --> 00:52:20.101
I'd take half a dollar on Stargaze.

00:52:20.121 --> 00:52:23.742
That would be... Yeah,

00:52:24.043 --> 00:52:25.182
it was... It just did a bit

00:52:25.202 --> 00:52:26.364
of mental math, so it was like...

00:52:27.532 --> 00:52:28.891
Yes, that would be very nice.

00:52:28.992 --> 00:52:30.632
So I noticed that there was

00:52:30.652 --> 00:52:33.514
some people on the Apto

00:52:33.534 --> 00:52:37.554
stress nets that are running full AWS.

00:52:38.356 --> 00:52:40.876
So they are running AWS main

00:52:40.936 --> 00:52:44.157
net with new higher spec,

00:52:45.038 --> 00:52:46.157
and they are running two

00:52:46.338 --> 00:52:50.059
full rigs on preview net.

00:52:51.699 --> 00:52:51.840
Mm-hmm.

00:52:53.228 --> 00:52:53.869
Actually, funny enough,

00:52:53.909 --> 00:52:56.471
I just got an introduction to the Web3,

00:52:57.251 --> 00:52:59.612
a Web3 BDM at AWS.

00:53:00.014 --> 00:53:04.237
And so they're doing something about this.

00:53:04.597 --> 00:53:06.458
So they're like this,

00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:08.000
they were talking about like,

00:53:08.019 --> 00:53:09.061
we were talking about like

00:53:09.101 --> 00:53:10.021
costs and those types of things.

00:53:10.041 --> 00:53:10.402
And that's really,

00:53:10.422 --> 00:53:11.523
obviously it can't be competitive.

00:53:11.862 --> 00:53:12.164
I mean,

00:53:12.184 --> 00:53:13.264
there's some convenience factor there,

00:53:13.284 --> 00:53:14.005
but obviously it's really

00:53:14.045 --> 00:53:14.706
difficult to be competitive.

00:53:14.726 --> 00:53:16.367
And not just from EC2 perspective,

00:53:16.407 --> 00:53:17.847
just egress fees are just ridiculous,

00:53:17.907 --> 00:53:18.429
especially for

00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:19.438
you know, in,

00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:20.260
in some of these other

00:53:21.021 --> 00:53:22.161
regions that we run bare metal,

00:53:22.181 --> 00:53:23.242
that would be just ridiculous.

00:53:23.302 --> 00:53:24.402
Like, you know,

00:53:24.443 --> 00:53:25.384
we run a bare metal load

00:53:25.403 --> 00:53:27.365
for $300 and it would be 10

00:53:27.365 --> 00:53:28.425
grand just in egress fees.

00:53:28.465 --> 00:53:28.626
Right.

00:53:30.327 --> 00:53:31.869
But, but they're,

00:53:31.949 --> 00:53:32.650
they're starting to take

00:53:35.692 --> 00:53:37.532
tokens as payment at AWS.

00:53:40.155 --> 00:53:40.695
Did you guys know that?

00:53:41.735 --> 00:53:43.217
I did not know that.

00:53:43.418 --> 00:53:43.797
They will.

00:53:43.818 --> 00:53:44.559
I didn't know that either.

00:53:44.778 --> 00:53:45.398
I don't believe it.

00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:46.800
That wouldn't be enough to

00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:49.143
spend fucking... No, not.

00:53:50.143 --> 00:53:50.623
No, you're not.

00:53:50.684 --> 00:53:51.965
But they challenged.

00:53:52.184 --> 00:53:52.505
They said,

00:53:52.545 --> 00:53:53.987
send us your list of the nodes

00:53:54.007 --> 00:53:54.786
that you're running where,

00:53:55.568 --> 00:53:56.789
and I will have my engineer

00:53:56.849 --> 00:53:58.530
come back and say how we can match that.

00:53:58.630 --> 00:53:58.951
I was like,

00:53:59.291 --> 00:54:00.773
there's no fucking way you could do that.

00:54:02.353 --> 00:54:02.554
I'm like,

00:54:02.574 --> 00:54:03.735
there's no way you could do that.

00:54:03.815 --> 00:54:04.476
It's impossible.

00:54:06.396 --> 00:54:07.918
I've had that conversation as well.

00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:08.398
Yeah.

00:54:10.023 --> 00:54:11.284
like it's difficult right

00:54:11.324 --> 00:54:12.623
because you're like on the

00:54:12.684 --> 00:54:13.565
one hand you're like oh

00:54:13.605 --> 00:54:17.367
yeah um and as well the the

00:54:17.487 --> 00:54:18.306
the time we were having

00:54:18.327 --> 00:54:19.327
that conversation was like

00:54:19.387 --> 00:54:22.289
over a year ago um where we

00:54:22.309 --> 00:54:23.309
were being very it was

00:54:23.690 --> 00:54:24.590
nearly two years ago now

00:54:24.630 --> 00:54:25.271
actually where we've been

00:54:25.311 --> 00:54:26.371
very coy about the

00:54:26.411 --> 00:54:27.391
workloads we were actually

00:54:27.452 --> 00:54:29.512
running because you know

00:54:30.974 --> 00:54:32.514
risk of getting shut down frankly

00:54:33.876 --> 00:54:36.998
um and you know we sort of

00:54:37.018 --> 00:54:38.420
said oh well it's a compute

00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:39.681
intensive blah blah blah

00:54:39.701 --> 00:54:42.463
blah and then like it sort

00:54:42.483 --> 00:54:43.443
of came out in the wash

00:54:43.483 --> 00:54:44.425
that you know this is the

00:54:44.806 --> 00:54:45.525
some of it was proof of

00:54:45.545 --> 00:54:46.847
stake right and then

00:54:46.887 --> 00:54:47.507
they're just like yeah

00:54:47.527 --> 00:54:48.648
we're you know they and

00:54:48.668 --> 00:54:49.909
they have their their

00:54:49.949 --> 00:54:51.311
person on the call their

00:54:51.331 --> 00:54:52.652
sort of um solutions

00:54:53.253 --> 00:54:55.635
architecty person right um

00:54:59.972 --> 00:55:00.853
And they were just like, yeah,

00:55:00.873 --> 00:55:01.833
I'm pretty confident we

00:55:01.853 --> 00:55:02.773
could really bring that

00:55:03.193 --> 00:55:04.173
bring that bill down and

00:55:04.193 --> 00:55:04.914
that cost for you.

00:55:04.934 --> 00:55:05.554
And you're like, yeah,

00:55:05.574 --> 00:55:06.074
but you're not going to

00:55:06.114 --> 00:55:08.797
bring it down 15 times.

00:55:09.858 --> 00:55:11.498
That's because that's the actually,

00:55:11.518 --> 00:55:12.659
you know, at the time,

00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.161
it would have been more than 15 times.

00:55:15.181 --> 00:55:15.760
It would have been.

00:55:17.391 --> 00:55:19.112
for the specs we actually

00:55:19.172 --> 00:55:21.552
needed um because like you

00:55:21.572 --> 00:55:22.333
say the things you get

00:55:22.393 --> 00:55:23.454
build on are sometimes

00:55:23.494 --> 00:55:24.474
things that are literally

00:55:25.393 --> 00:55:27.534
effectively free to you if

00:55:27.574 --> 00:55:28.295
you're running with a

00:55:28.315 --> 00:55:29.755
different provider like if

00:55:29.775 --> 00:55:31.396
you just pay for a 10 gig

00:55:31.436 --> 00:55:33.235
line and it's like 100 euro

00:55:33.255 --> 00:55:35.777
a month then the it's a

00:55:35.817 --> 00:55:36.976
fixed cost and the marginal

00:55:37.016 --> 00:55:39.217
cost is zero is zero like

00:55:39.257 --> 00:55:40.177
you can scale to

00:55:40.277 --> 00:55:41.318
effectively infinity

00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:42.219
because you're not going to

00:55:42.259 --> 00:55:42.978
hit that threshold

00:55:44.389 --> 00:55:45.454
is as good as infinite for

00:55:45.494 --> 00:55:48.527
that 100 euro or whatever it is right and

00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:52.601
yeah, an AWS, you are paying marginally.

00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.061
So the cost is linear till infinity.

00:55:55.541 --> 00:55:59.925
And that stuff, like it just, yeah,

00:56:00.085 --> 00:56:02.806
the absolute balls of

00:56:03.065 --> 00:56:05.047
somebody to turn around and be like, yeah,

00:56:05.288 --> 00:56:06.748
we can definitely do

00:56:06.827 --> 00:56:07.548
something about that.

00:56:07.588 --> 00:56:08.750
And you're like, yeah,

00:56:08.869 --> 00:56:10.309
except that like basic

00:56:10.409 --> 00:56:12.811
maths says that these are incompatible,

00:56:12.911 --> 00:56:14.753
like basic business planning,

00:56:14.773 --> 00:56:16.833
because one is a fixed cost

00:56:17.173 --> 00:56:18.514
and one is a variable cost.

00:56:20.268 --> 00:56:20.489
I mean,

00:56:20.509 --> 00:56:22.610
they didn't sound confident in

00:56:22.630 --> 00:56:23.911
their benefit,

00:56:24.550 --> 00:56:25.811
but the crypto side I

00:56:25.831 --> 00:56:26.693
thought was interesting.

00:56:26.713 --> 00:56:28.514
It's interesting they're going for it.

00:56:28.753 --> 00:56:29.934
And to be fair, actually,

00:56:29.954 --> 00:56:31.175
I remember talking to,

00:56:31.195 --> 00:56:32.715
I think it was somebody

00:56:33.115 --> 00:56:34.177
from the Aptos Foundation

00:56:34.297 --> 00:56:38.199
about AWS and whether or not they were,

00:56:38.998 --> 00:56:40.000
how friendly they were to

00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:43.702
the Aptos project in terms of... Yeah,

00:56:43.822 --> 00:56:44.121
exactly.

00:56:44.161 --> 00:56:44.782
And it was one of those

00:56:44.842 --> 00:56:46.322
where they were like, oh, well,

00:56:46.362 --> 00:56:47.884
if your local reps aren't

00:56:48.570 --> 00:56:49.550
hooked in with us we can

00:56:49.570 --> 00:56:50.492
hook in with them blah blah

00:56:50.612 --> 00:56:52.173
blah like so you know I

00:56:52.193 --> 00:56:53.554
think there were in that

00:56:53.715 --> 00:56:54.755
situation you know there

00:56:54.775 --> 00:56:55.976
were credits on the table

00:56:56.197 --> 00:56:58.300
and whatnot um you know if

00:56:58.320 --> 00:56:59.400
you give them a case study

00:56:59.740 --> 00:57:00.621
but I think that you know

00:57:00.661 --> 00:57:01.463
the difficulty there as

00:57:01.503 --> 00:57:02.744
well is that if you give

00:57:02.764 --> 00:57:04.505
aws a case study to then go

00:57:04.646 --> 00:57:05.706
fling around on their

00:57:05.726 --> 00:57:06.847
website and then start

00:57:06.867 --> 00:57:07.688
telling other people and

00:57:07.728 --> 00:57:09.010
stuff you're like well

00:57:11.032 --> 00:57:11.311
I mean,

00:57:11.913 --> 00:57:13.293
we comply with all the laws in our

00:57:13.313 --> 00:57:13.873
jurisdiction.

00:57:13.914 --> 00:57:15.195
We comply with accounting

00:57:15.295 --> 00:57:17.036
and legal and we try and

00:57:17.056 --> 00:57:17.757
keep abreast of what's

00:57:17.797 --> 00:57:18.938
going on and all this stuff.

00:57:18.958 --> 00:57:19.579
But at the same time,

00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:20.498
I don't really feel like

00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:22.300
going around shouting about

00:57:22.340 --> 00:57:24.302
what we do as a business is

00:57:24.342 --> 00:57:26.804
a really smart, clever thing to do,

00:57:26.943 --> 00:57:27.605
other than the fact we're

00:57:27.625 --> 00:57:28.626
obviously on a podcast here

00:57:30.106 --> 00:57:32.528
and actually are really doxxed.

00:57:32.768 --> 00:57:33.509
But, you know, whatever.

00:57:33.528 --> 00:57:34.849
But in general,

00:57:35.030 --> 00:57:38.592
you should be sensible-ish about how...

00:57:40.753 --> 00:57:41.753
You want your profile to be

00:57:41.833 --> 00:57:43.393
big in the right circles

00:57:43.474 --> 00:57:44.894
and you want to be small in

00:57:44.914 --> 00:57:45.875
the rest of the circles.

00:57:45.974 --> 00:57:46.916
It's kind of how I feel the

00:57:46.956 --> 00:57:48.016
validator thing goes.

00:57:48.195 --> 00:57:48.876
Maybe I'm wrong.

00:57:49.356 --> 00:57:50.277
Maybe that's just paranoia.

00:57:50.356 --> 00:57:50.697
I don't know.

00:57:51.577 --> 00:57:52.358
But it kind of felt like it

00:57:52.378 --> 00:57:52.818
doesn't matter.

00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:54.498
Yeah, it probably doesn't matter.

00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:54.918
I don't know.

00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:56.679
But like, I don't know,

00:57:56.739 --> 00:57:57.661
the whole tenor of the

00:57:57.681 --> 00:57:58.661
interaction felt a bit

00:57:58.681 --> 00:57:59.782
weird to me when we were

00:57:59.802 --> 00:58:00.621
kind of going through that.

00:58:01.161 --> 00:58:02.961
And I was a bit like, I feel like,

00:58:03.101 --> 00:58:03.842
I feel like I'm kind of

00:58:03.862 --> 00:58:05.244
being screwed from both angles here.

00:58:05.284 --> 00:58:07.605
And I, you know, I just don't.

00:58:08.425 --> 00:58:08.686
Yeah.

00:58:09.425 --> 00:58:10.447
You know, the feeling of like, you know,

00:58:10.467 --> 00:58:14.949
when you do a contract

00:58:14.989 --> 00:58:16.931
negotiation or anybody does

00:58:16.971 --> 00:58:17.911
negotiation training,

00:58:18.311 --> 00:58:19.032
they always put you in a

00:58:19.072 --> 00:58:20.172
situation that's like super

00:58:20.213 --> 00:58:22.373
uncomfortable when they begin it.

00:58:22.833 --> 00:58:25.596
And then they say something like, yeah,

00:58:26.333 --> 00:58:26.514
Right.

00:58:26.974 --> 00:58:28.635
I've deliberately set up a

00:58:28.695 --> 00:58:30.576
hostile environment here

00:58:31.056 --> 00:58:32.096
just so you know what it

00:58:32.135 --> 00:58:33.336
feels like when the people

00:58:33.376 --> 00:58:34.317
across the table from you

00:58:34.356 --> 00:58:35.157
are looking to fuck you.

00:58:35.916 --> 00:58:36.036
Now,

00:58:36.077 --> 00:58:37.998
if you ever feel this feeling again in

00:58:38.737 --> 00:58:40.219
a negotiation, in an interview,

00:58:40.318 --> 00:58:41.860
in a pitch meeting or whatever,

00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:43.800
it ain't going to happen.

00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:46.201
And at the absolute worst case scenario,

00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:47.302
you might want to walk away

00:58:47.342 --> 00:58:48.001
from the table.

00:58:49.061 --> 00:58:49.942
And I kind of feel like

00:58:49.961 --> 00:58:50.963
sometimes you run into this

00:58:51.003 --> 00:58:52.163
kind of situation where you're like,

00:58:52.182 --> 00:58:52.822
I just kind of feel like

00:58:52.864 --> 00:58:53.764
I'm being fucked here and I...

00:58:54.744 --> 00:58:56.385
My gut tells me we're about to get fucked.

00:58:57.605 --> 00:58:57.766
Yeah.

00:58:57.806 --> 00:59:00.206
I mean, that's, there's a ton of, I mean,

00:59:00.746 --> 00:59:01.387
we're in web three.

00:59:01.427 --> 00:59:01.987
That's like, yeah.

00:59:02.987 --> 00:59:03.128
Yeah.

00:59:03.188 --> 00:59:03.568
Yeah.

00:59:03.608 --> 00:59:03.889
I guess.

00:59:03.949 --> 00:59:04.208
Yeah.

00:59:04.248 --> 00:59:05.208
Every fucking corner.

00:59:05.228 --> 00:59:05.369
Right.

00:59:05.849 --> 00:59:06.989
It's not even like some of that,

00:59:07.010 --> 00:59:07.831
some of that's malicious,

00:59:07.851 --> 00:59:08.670
but some of that's just like,

00:59:10.382 --> 00:59:12.043
it's just lack of history of

00:59:12.342 --> 00:59:13.123
people you're working with

00:59:13.202 --> 00:59:14.864
and understanding and you

00:59:14.884 --> 00:59:17.744
just get burned on bad situations or,

00:59:18.105 --> 00:59:19.264
or you just be cautious

00:59:19.304 --> 00:59:20.264
around your bad situations

00:59:20.304 --> 00:59:21.226
because nothing is kind of

00:59:21.266 --> 00:59:22.525
exactly what you, what you see.

00:59:22.726 --> 00:59:22.885
Right.

00:59:23.206 --> 00:59:24.007
And that's also why I think

00:59:24.047 --> 00:59:24.907
it's taken us so long to

00:59:24.927 --> 00:59:26.847
like build a reputation or

00:59:26.907 --> 00:59:28.007
be able to work with teams

00:59:28.047 --> 00:59:29.568
to teams is because I think from a team,

00:59:29.668 --> 00:59:31.228
from a project perspective,

00:59:32.909 --> 00:59:34.170
there is a definite Hill to

00:59:34.210 --> 00:59:36.070
climb before you, before people go,

00:59:36.130 --> 00:59:36.311
Oh yeah,

00:59:36.331 --> 00:59:37.190
they know what the hell they're

00:59:37.210 --> 00:59:37.570
talking about.

00:59:38.222 --> 00:59:38.402
Right.

00:59:38.802 --> 00:59:40.565
And it takes, it's not even,

00:59:40.585 --> 00:59:41.324
it doesn't matter even what

00:59:41.344 --> 00:59:41.764
you're running.

00:59:41.824 --> 00:59:42.865
It just takes time.

00:59:43.025 --> 00:59:46.007
Like it takes years, I think.

00:59:46.347 --> 00:59:49.610
Or you throw a meme coin

00:59:49.630 --> 00:59:50.851
token out there and say

00:59:50.871 --> 00:59:51.351
you're going to give it

00:59:51.371 --> 00:59:52.972
away as a validator and blah, blah, blah,

00:59:53.012 --> 00:59:53.333
blah, blah.

00:59:53.353 --> 00:59:54.173
And you get huge,

00:59:55.153 --> 00:59:56.034
huge delegations and then

00:59:56.074 --> 00:59:57.135
you're bringing delegations

00:59:57.175 --> 00:59:59.577
to the table for other projects.

00:59:59.597 --> 01:00:00.338
That's the way that works.

01:00:01.699 --> 01:00:01.918
I mean,

01:00:01.938 --> 01:00:03.860
I think one of the most important

01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:05.021
things you can do as a

01:00:05.061 --> 01:00:05.981
business in this space is

01:00:06.001 --> 01:00:07.161
to have absolute clarity of

01:00:07.222 --> 01:00:07.663
what you're doing.

01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:09.960
I mean,

01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:10.820
that's probably good advice for

01:00:10.860 --> 01:00:12.681
every business area, right?

01:00:13.481 --> 01:00:15.780
But that's been our biggest mistake,

01:00:15.860 --> 01:00:15.981
right?

01:00:16.001 --> 01:00:16.722
It's to spread ourselves

01:00:16.762 --> 01:00:18.621
thin on protocols and smart

01:00:18.681 --> 01:00:20.402
contracts and this and that

01:00:20.461 --> 01:00:20.942
and the other.

01:00:21.041 --> 01:00:22.043
And the thing that has put

01:00:23.242 --> 01:00:25.143
me on the table and made

01:00:25.163 --> 01:00:26.264
the party happen has been

01:00:26.284 --> 01:00:27.304
the validated business.

01:00:28.364 --> 01:00:29.943
And you look back over the

01:00:29.983 --> 01:00:30.884
course of three years and you're like,

01:00:30.903 --> 01:00:31.644
okay, right, well,

01:00:31.945 --> 01:00:33.005
we should have spent more

01:00:33.045 --> 01:00:33.965
time building that side of

01:00:33.985 --> 01:00:34.905
the business rather than

01:00:34.925 --> 01:00:37.206
these other things because

01:00:37.246 --> 01:00:38.085
now we're like,

01:00:38.922 --> 01:00:39.561
you just have like a

01:00:39.621 --> 01:00:40.963
substantially smaller profile,

01:00:41.103 --> 01:00:42.802
even if you are on some good projects,

01:00:44.324 --> 01:00:45.784
you know, it's just like, oh, okay.

01:00:45.804 --> 01:00:46.483
Yeah.

01:00:47.284 --> 01:00:47.744
We like apps.

01:00:47.784 --> 01:00:49.025
This is a prime example where you go like,

01:00:49.065 --> 01:00:49.405
yeah,

01:00:50.726 --> 01:00:52.045
Genesis validates that and people

01:00:52.085 --> 01:00:52.585
are like, oh, right.

01:00:52.606 --> 01:00:52.847
Okay.

01:00:53.007 --> 01:00:53.586
We haven't heard of you.

01:00:53.626 --> 01:00:54.827
And you're like, well, number one,

01:00:54.867 --> 01:00:56.027
there's a hundred validators.

01:00:56.108 --> 01:00:57.268
So you wouldn't have heard us anyway,

01:00:57.347 --> 01:01:01.748
but you know, um, yeah,

01:01:02.489 --> 01:01:03.110
but we're the best.

01:01:04.161 --> 01:01:04.740
We're the best.

01:01:04.820 --> 01:01:05.262
We're the best.

01:01:05.282 --> 01:01:06.302
You should do shit with us.

01:01:08.083 --> 01:01:08.682
But you know what?

01:01:08.724 --> 01:01:09.623
Something else I've noticed here.

01:01:09.664 --> 01:01:10.523
We were saying like about

01:01:10.565 --> 01:01:11.945
how there's a lot more

01:01:11.965 --> 01:01:13.606
positivity about Denver this year.

01:01:13.666 --> 01:01:14.847
I have noticed in general,

01:01:14.887 --> 01:01:16.367
just pitches and just shit

01:01:16.427 --> 01:01:17.847
on LinkedIn and the cold

01:01:17.909 --> 01:01:19.688
emails and just like stuff

01:01:19.710 --> 01:01:20.630
that comes up when you're

01:01:20.650 --> 01:01:21.891
moving in that kind of circles.

01:01:21.931 --> 01:01:23.130
Obviously I'm on the side of the pond,

01:01:23.190 --> 01:01:24.771
but I've noticed that like

01:01:25.612 --> 01:01:26.753
quite a good indicator of

01:01:26.813 --> 01:01:29.135
like bullish stuff is when

01:01:29.175 --> 01:01:31.175
people stop doing dumb ideas and

01:01:31.655 --> 01:01:33.157
that make money and they

01:01:33.217 --> 01:01:34.739
start doing clever things

01:01:34.858 --> 01:01:35.880
that are going to fail.

01:01:35.900 --> 01:01:37.920
Do you know what I mean?

01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:38.121
Like,

01:01:38.141 --> 01:01:40.023
I feel like there's been a period of

01:01:40.063 --> 01:01:41.264
time where everybody I've

01:01:41.284 --> 01:01:42.304
met who works in web three

01:01:42.364 --> 01:01:43.485
is doing one of two things.

01:01:43.606 --> 01:01:45.748
They are doing consulting

01:01:45.807 --> 01:01:47.208
for people who want to be there,

01:01:47.268 --> 01:01:49.170
but are going to be in a

01:01:49.231 --> 01:01:50.311
regulated scenario,

01:01:50.632 --> 01:01:51.853
which is a little bit

01:01:51.893 --> 01:01:53.014
covers what I do as well.

01:01:53.094 --> 01:01:53.233
Right.

01:01:53.253 --> 01:01:53.934
Which is where you sit

01:01:53.954 --> 01:01:54.474
across the table from

01:01:54.494 --> 01:01:55.115
people and they go like,

01:01:55.155 --> 01:01:55.695
here are our concerns.

01:01:55.715 --> 01:01:56.597
And you're like, well, okay.

01:01:57.355 --> 01:01:57.614
you know,

01:01:57.635 --> 01:01:58.775
we can introduce you to these

01:01:58.795 --> 01:02:00.056
people or whatever, or, Oh yeah,

01:02:00.077 --> 01:02:00.818
I've heard of these are the

01:02:00.838 --> 01:02:01.898
people to speak to or whatever.

01:02:01.938 --> 01:02:02.079
Right.

01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:04.440
Or, or two, you run validators, right?

01:02:04.481 --> 01:02:05.762
That, that, that has been like,

01:02:06.742 --> 01:02:07.302
that's pretty much

01:02:07.402 --> 01:02:08.284
everybody I've met that

01:02:08.304 --> 01:02:10.346
still survived for the last two years,

01:02:10.405 --> 01:02:11.405
at least in the UK where

01:02:11.445 --> 01:02:12.947
maybe it's a different scene.

01:02:13.007 --> 01:02:13.168
Right.

01:02:14.009 --> 01:02:16.210
And then really recently it's been like,

01:02:16.349 --> 01:02:17.010
Oh yeah, it's like,

01:02:17.130 --> 01:02:18.791
it's kind of like smart contract auditing,

01:02:18.811 --> 01:02:20.094
but it's also automatic.

01:02:20.173 --> 01:02:21.735
And also there's like this

01:02:22.054 --> 01:02:24.336
like network modeling and it was like,

01:02:27.043 --> 01:02:27.804
We've actually got some

01:02:27.923 --> 01:02:29.103
really good VC backers.

01:02:30.824 --> 01:02:32.606
We work with amazing teams

01:02:32.965 --> 01:02:34.867
that are engineering

01:02:34.927 --> 01:02:37.409
marvels that have a

01:02:37.509 --> 01:02:39.610
snowball's chance because

01:02:40.570 --> 01:02:41.351
all these things have to

01:02:41.411 --> 01:02:42.510
come together and there has

01:02:42.530 --> 01:02:43.911
to be a market flux and a

01:02:43.992 --> 01:02:44.992
change and a change in

01:02:45.072 --> 01:02:46.472
attitude and a cultural

01:02:46.532 --> 01:02:49.335
change and an enterprise

01:02:49.394 --> 01:02:51.335
change and regulation.

01:02:51.476 --> 01:02:52.496
All these things need to

01:02:52.556 --> 01:02:53.797
come together to be a

01:02:54.077 --> 01:02:55.137
massive fucking success.

01:02:57.112 --> 01:02:58.213
And then you work with teams

01:02:58.233 --> 01:03:00.773
that are pumping out NFTs

01:03:00.873 --> 01:03:03.494
and just cranking shit out.

01:03:03.554 --> 01:03:05.375
Let's take it back to the news item.

01:03:05.815 --> 01:03:07.175
What can meme coins teach you?

01:03:07.195 --> 01:03:09.336
Meme coins can teach you the

01:03:09.416 --> 01:03:10.876
business truism that your

01:03:10.956 --> 01:03:12.717
idea is not dumb enough and

01:03:12.898 --> 01:03:14.757
only the dumbest idea that

01:03:14.818 --> 01:03:17.139
is the most accessible is

01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:18.039
going to make you any money.

01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:19.260
In the short term.

01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:21.081
Maybe that's it.

01:03:21.561 --> 01:03:23.360
Maybe I'm getting involved

01:03:23.380 --> 01:03:25.041
in too many things that have too much

01:03:26.844 --> 01:03:28.166
long-term that have

01:03:28.206 --> 01:03:29.306
long-term success but have

01:03:29.347 --> 01:03:30.688
a really high failure rate

01:03:31.268 --> 01:03:32.791
and I should be yoloing

01:03:32.831 --> 01:03:35.173
more into these things yep

01:03:36.175 --> 01:03:40.019
I mean can't do it yeah

01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.141
just do it do it do it do

01:03:42.202 --> 01:03:43.242
it all right what other

01:03:43.282 --> 01:03:45.465
news item um my turn right

01:03:47.500 --> 01:03:49.340
Kujira is fed up with the

01:03:49.380 --> 01:03:50.601
botted mints on Stargaze.

01:03:50.681 --> 01:03:52.063
Is that, this is like rumor shit.

01:03:53.423 --> 01:03:56.226
And slow development of NFT finance,

01:03:56.746 --> 01:03:57.827
taking things into their own hands.

01:03:58.327 --> 01:03:59.847
Their original meme coin is

01:03:59.987 --> 01:04:01.449
creating an NFT marketplace

01:04:01.469 --> 01:04:02.789
with all the bells and

01:04:02.829 --> 01:04:04.971
announcements of an announcement lingo,

01:04:05.010 --> 01:04:07.413
such as NFT fi RWA and the

01:04:07.472 --> 01:04:11.315
standard Kujira grown up defy to NFTs.

01:04:11.956 --> 01:04:12.996
So this is team.

01:04:13.637 --> 01:04:14.818
This is wink, right?

01:04:14.898 --> 01:04:15.458
Is that what this is?

01:04:15.677 --> 01:04:16.338
Yeah, I think it's wink.

01:04:17.398 --> 01:04:18.177
which I have heard before.

01:04:19.918 --> 01:04:21.019
And the Wink team,

01:04:21.981 --> 01:04:24.742
which was... What were they doing before?

01:04:24.762 --> 01:04:27.063
They were doing something else before,

01:04:28.364 --> 01:04:28.625
right?

01:04:28.664 --> 01:04:29.425
Is it a financing?

01:04:30.264 --> 01:04:31.846
Or is it brand new?

01:04:31.865 --> 01:04:33.146
Or was it just a token on

01:04:33.226 --> 01:04:33.927
Kujira and now they're

01:04:33.947 --> 01:04:34.547
going to launch... Maybe

01:04:34.568 --> 01:04:34.987
that's what it was.

01:04:35.027 --> 01:04:35.648
Maybe it was a token on

01:04:35.668 --> 01:04:36.148
Kujira and now they're

01:04:36.168 --> 01:04:37.909
going to launch an NFT marketplace.

01:04:37.929 --> 01:04:40.110
They probably had NFT as well.

01:04:40.411 --> 01:04:40.711
Maybe?

01:04:41.092 --> 01:04:41.331
Maybe?

01:04:41.351 --> 01:04:42.192
It must be.

01:04:42.211 --> 01:04:44.893
I wonder what the meme was there.

01:04:47.355 --> 01:04:47.534
Yeah.

01:04:47.855 --> 01:04:49.576
So I think, I mean,

01:04:50.876 --> 01:04:52.856
I think I didn't know that

01:04:52.898 --> 01:04:53.878
there was that much.

01:04:53.958 --> 01:04:54.657
I do know, well,

01:04:54.677 --> 01:04:55.458
two things that was called out.

01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:56.059
One was the,

01:04:56.739 --> 01:04:58.219
the botting of Stargaze mints.

01:04:58.559 --> 01:04:59.860
I really don't know how bad

01:04:59.900 --> 01:05:01.041
that is on Stargaze.

01:05:01.340 --> 01:05:01.942
I have no idea.

01:05:02.342 --> 01:05:03.282
I do know a little bit on

01:05:03.302 --> 01:05:05.003
the safe side just because

01:05:05.043 --> 01:05:05.742
we see a little bit more of

01:05:05.762 --> 01:05:07.324
that data and those types of things.

01:05:07.364 --> 01:05:08.844
But on the Stargaze side,

01:05:08.864 --> 01:05:10.324
I didn't know because that front end,

01:05:10.385 --> 01:05:12.146
I'm not sure how, how bad that is on,

01:05:12.646 --> 01:05:12.885
on the mints.

01:05:12.905 --> 01:05:13.847
I didn't know that team has

01:05:13.887 --> 01:05:16.027
talked a lot about ways to, to try to,

01:05:16.889 --> 01:05:17.869
work around that and I think

01:05:17.969 --> 01:05:19.411
those are all kind of web

01:05:19.431 --> 01:05:20.532
two ways with like captchas

01:05:20.572 --> 01:05:21.351
and those types of things

01:05:21.391 --> 01:05:22.432
or finding other ways to be

01:05:22.452 --> 01:05:23.793
able to avoid people

01:05:23.813 --> 01:05:25.375
spamming the contracts with

01:05:25.375 --> 01:05:26.235
800 million wallets but I

01:05:26.255 --> 01:05:26.715
don't know how you get

01:05:26.755 --> 01:05:27.655
around that it's kind of it

01:05:27.695 --> 01:05:28.536
is what it is a little bit

01:05:29.376 --> 01:05:30.358
um but there's probably

01:05:30.378 --> 01:05:31.559
other ways to be able to to

01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:32.920
do that unless you waitlist

01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:34.481
every single person um the

01:05:34.501 --> 01:05:35.961
other one is the finance

01:05:35.981 --> 01:05:37.123
side of nfts I know that's

01:05:37.202 --> 01:05:37.963
been in development for a

01:05:37.983 --> 01:05:39.583
while and I know that it's

01:05:39.603 --> 01:05:40.284
been talked around for a

01:05:40.304 --> 01:05:41.025
while so I'm not sure the

01:05:41.045 --> 01:05:41.865
timelines are what's going

01:05:41.905 --> 01:05:43.487
on with that um but I think

01:05:43.626 --> 01:05:44.568
some you know competition

01:05:44.628 --> 01:05:46.108
nft space is good and

01:05:47.208 --> 01:05:50.409
and uh you know see if they

01:05:50.469 --> 01:05:51.349
are successful with it I

01:05:51.389 --> 01:05:52.670
would say it is a big

01:05:52.710 --> 01:05:55.271
project nft marketplaces

01:05:55.311 --> 01:05:56.192
are not easy I don't think

01:05:56.211 --> 01:05:58.253
I think they're incredibly

01:05:58.273 --> 01:06:00.833
complex so see how it goes

01:06:03.014 --> 01:06:04.675
yeah you can you can start

01:06:04.695 --> 01:06:05.574
just knocking out some

01:06:05.795 --> 01:06:07.074
additional functionality

01:06:07.175 --> 01:06:08.615
and protocol related stuff

01:06:08.655 --> 01:06:11.516
around nfts and then you kind of

01:06:13.561 --> 01:06:14.882
And then you come to,

01:06:15.521 --> 01:06:19.164
like in Memento or something,

01:06:19.184 --> 01:06:21.164
you have a little momentary blackout,

01:06:21.365 --> 01:06:22.585
and then it's a year later

01:06:22.865 --> 01:06:23.467
and you're broke.

01:06:24.047 --> 01:06:24.226
Yeah.

01:06:25.688 --> 01:06:26.447
And you have loads of

01:06:26.507 --> 01:06:30.331
tattoos on your arm about where it is.

01:06:30.391 --> 01:06:32.911
Is it Sammy Jenkins in Memento?

01:06:32.972 --> 01:06:34.072
Don't trust Sammy Jenkins?

01:06:34.333 --> 01:06:34.913
Something like that.

01:06:34.932 --> 01:06:35.414
Is that what it is?

01:06:36.054 --> 01:06:37.034
Yeah, I think so.

01:06:37.074 --> 01:06:37.655
Is that a tattoo?

01:06:38.822 --> 01:06:39.242
Yeah,

01:06:39.402 --> 01:06:41.204
it's like he wakes up at the beginning,

01:06:41.224 --> 01:06:41.684
doesn't he?

01:06:41.724 --> 01:06:43.384
He looks at his arm and says,

01:06:43.423 --> 01:06:44.505
don't trust Sammy Jenkins.

01:06:44.844 --> 01:06:45.764
Something like that.

01:06:47.025 --> 01:06:47.565
I forgot about that movie.

01:06:47.585 --> 01:06:48.146
That was a good movie.

01:06:49.766 --> 01:06:50.387
It's a good movie.

01:06:50.626 --> 01:06:54.927
Is Christopher Nolan's first?

01:06:55.827 --> 01:06:56.668
Is it?

01:06:56.728 --> 01:06:57.329
Is it really?

01:06:57.349 --> 01:06:59.389
It's early Nolan.

01:06:59.429 --> 01:07:00.369
If it's not his first,

01:07:00.449 --> 01:07:02.331
it's got to be pretty early.

01:07:02.871 --> 01:07:03.731
You've seen The Prestige?

01:07:03.791 --> 01:07:05.130
Because that's like, I think,

01:07:05.371 --> 01:07:06.351
relatively shortly after.

01:07:06.371 --> 01:07:06.452
Yeah.

01:07:07.557 --> 01:07:09.601
Love, love me some prestige.

01:07:09.661 --> 01:07:11.001
That is a good, it's got,

01:07:11.202 --> 01:07:11.822
it's gotta be around that

01:07:11.862 --> 01:07:12.643
same time though, right?

01:07:13.023 --> 01:07:13.565
Good film.

01:07:14.786 --> 01:07:16.088
Uh, let's see.

01:07:16.288 --> 01:07:18.351
I'm gonna look at a director writer.

01:07:18.371 --> 01:07:21.653
Uh, I need to, you know,

01:07:21.713 --> 01:07:23.637
like fuck her up there for a second,

01:07:23.677 --> 01:07:24.717
but you know, higher,

01:07:24.858 --> 01:07:26.239
higher on the priority list

01:07:26.300 --> 01:07:28.121
in this particular, uh,

01:07:30.028 --> 01:07:31.708
garage slash loft space

01:07:31.829 --> 01:07:33.269
there's a workbench just

01:07:33.349 --> 01:07:34.949
out of camera here

01:07:35.389 --> 01:07:37.311
distinctly distinctly like

01:07:37.371 --> 01:07:38.851
a complete mess rather than

01:07:38.931 --> 01:07:40.490
actual workspace is to

01:07:40.731 --> 01:07:42.791
fucking get to the new dune

01:07:42.871 --> 01:07:46.771
film because I just want to

01:07:46.791 --> 01:07:47.773
know if it's a shit show

01:07:47.893 --> 01:07:49.253
but I but you know like you

01:07:49.293 --> 01:07:49.932
and people try and talk

01:07:50.052 --> 01:07:50.753
I've already got enough

01:07:50.773 --> 01:07:51.592
people who try and talk to

01:07:51.632 --> 01:07:52.373
me about it and I'm just

01:07:52.393 --> 01:07:53.454
like look my expectations

01:07:53.474 --> 01:07:54.193
for it is so low

01:07:55.010 --> 01:07:55.632
They're so low.

01:07:55.652 --> 01:07:56.572
And I don't want to know if

01:07:56.632 --> 01:07:57.313
it's good or bad.

01:07:57.333 --> 01:07:58.813
I just, it's like, you know,

01:07:58.833 --> 01:07:59.875
when something's on your chore list,

01:07:59.914 --> 01:08:01.376
like you're dreading, you're dreading it.

01:08:01.476 --> 01:08:01.876
You're just like,

01:08:02.177 --> 01:08:02.878
there's no way they can

01:08:02.918 --> 01:08:04.880
have done a second one that was not shit.

01:08:04.900 --> 01:08:06.860
So I just need to, I just need to get it.

01:08:07.561 --> 01:08:09.023
It's just living rent free in my brain.

01:08:09.063 --> 01:08:09.744
Now I know it's out.

01:08:09.824 --> 01:08:10.985
I just like the first one

01:08:11.005 --> 01:08:12.005
was really well done.

01:08:12.025 --> 01:08:13.547
I know they fucked it up.

01:08:14.188 --> 01:08:16.029
I just need to go be disappointed,

01:08:16.449 --> 01:08:17.251
move on with my week.

01:08:17.975 --> 01:08:19.256
But when you have a wee one,

01:08:19.695 --> 01:08:21.096
or at least a very wee one, you're like,

01:08:21.417 --> 01:08:22.819
the logistics of going to

01:08:22.859 --> 01:08:23.479
the cinema to be

01:08:23.519 --> 01:08:25.761
disappointed are actually non-trivial.

01:08:26.801 --> 01:08:27.002
Yeah.

01:08:27.282 --> 01:08:28.563
It's like a whole thing, right?

01:08:28.622 --> 01:08:29.283
You've got to plan it.

01:08:29.463 --> 01:08:30.064
You can't just be like, hey,

01:08:30.104 --> 01:08:31.005
let's go to the movies.

01:08:31.425 --> 01:08:32.286
The worst bit is I'm

01:08:32.326 --> 01:08:33.546
planning to go do something

01:08:33.567 --> 01:08:34.807
that I fully expect to be

01:08:34.847 --> 01:08:35.768
disappointing as well.

01:08:35.828 --> 01:08:37.930
I heard it was good, though.

01:08:37.949 --> 01:08:40.931
I don't know.

01:08:41.332 --> 01:08:41.953
Whatever.

01:08:41.993 --> 01:08:42.432
Memento was 2000.

01:08:42.713 --> 01:08:43.094
Prestige was 2006.

01:08:47.332 --> 01:08:48.853
So then Batman Begins was in

01:08:48.872 --> 01:08:50.153
there and then Insomnia was

01:08:50.212 --> 01:08:50.752
in there as well,

01:08:50.773 --> 01:08:53.033
which is also... Insomnia is a good film.

01:08:53.094 --> 01:08:53.913
Was that Nolan?

01:08:54.673 --> 01:08:55.515
Yeah.

01:08:55.734 --> 01:08:58.015
What was Nolan's first film out of intro?

01:08:58.034 --> 01:08:59.636
Before that, Following,

01:09:00.355 --> 01:09:01.876
Doodlebugs are short.

01:09:02.515 --> 01:09:03.197
They're all shorts.

01:09:03.417 --> 01:09:04.277
So the first one, I guess,

01:09:04.317 --> 01:09:06.216
is Following in 1998.

01:09:06.216 --> 01:09:09.578
I've never heard of that film.

01:09:09.597 --> 01:09:10.479
Maybe I have to watch that.

01:09:10.939 --> 01:09:11.958
Yeah, the rest of these are all shorts.

01:09:12.418 --> 01:09:13.059
I'm taking all my kids

01:09:13.078 --> 01:09:13.800
through... We're going

01:09:13.819 --> 01:09:15.039
through all these Batmans because...

01:09:15.768 --> 01:09:16.988
Somebody's like dark night.

01:09:17.569 --> 01:09:17.969
That was,

01:09:18.708 --> 01:09:20.448
that's a great filmed on a filmed

01:09:20.488 --> 01:09:21.010
on campus.

01:09:21.369 --> 01:09:22.689
That was where.

01:09:23.670 --> 01:09:24.990
So Christopher Nolan is an

01:09:25.051 --> 01:09:26.610
alumnus of alumni.

01:09:26.770 --> 01:09:28.492
No alumnus of university

01:09:28.511 --> 01:09:30.311
college where I'm doing my PhD.

01:09:31.233 --> 01:09:32.613
Part of that was filmed in London.

01:09:33.536 --> 01:09:35.537
yeah I didn't know that

01:09:35.557 --> 01:09:37.439
chicago I think I think

01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:40.082
specifically they filmed in

01:09:40.202 --> 01:09:42.163
the very first one so yeah

01:09:42.203 --> 01:09:44.765
by the time of um third one

01:09:44.845 --> 01:09:46.868
that's visibly chicago but

01:09:46.887 --> 01:09:47.868
I think the first one was

01:09:48.128 --> 01:09:49.711
relatively low budget some

01:09:49.730 --> 01:09:50.792
bits of it like as in they

01:09:50.832 --> 01:09:51.792
kind of did it it was

01:09:51.832 --> 01:09:52.713
filmed I think a lot of it

01:09:52.734 --> 01:09:54.494
was done at maybe pinewood in the uk

01:09:55.536 --> 01:09:56.837
um I think there's there's

01:09:56.856 --> 01:09:58.596
like a scene where it's

01:09:58.657 --> 01:09:59.898
either when his parents get

01:09:59.938 --> 01:10:01.278
shot or it's like one of

01:10:01.318 --> 01:10:02.698
those early scenes where he

01:10:02.738 --> 01:10:03.958
just sort of comes out of

01:10:03.998 --> 01:10:05.060
the smoke and has a bit of

01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:06.699
a brawl I think that's

01:10:06.980 --> 01:10:09.742
specifically the uc quad by

01:10:09.761 --> 01:10:11.061
the charles darwin building

01:10:12.182 --> 01:10:14.382
um because so uc has a

01:10:14.443 --> 01:10:16.484
street uh it's quite old

01:10:16.804 --> 01:10:18.024
the old bit of the campus

01:10:18.085 --> 01:10:19.045
is quite old and there's a

01:10:19.425 --> 01:10:20.605
street that goes through

01:10:20.626 --> 01:10:23.146
the campus between all the buildings um

01:10:23.902 --> 01:10:25.403
but it's fully on the

01:10:25.462 --> 01:10:26.423
university's property.

01:10:26.444 --> 01:10:27.545
It's kind of hard to explain

01:10:27.845 --> 01:10:28.805
what mallet places,

01:10:28.845 --> 01:10:30.206
unless you've been to mallet place,

01:10:30.726 --> 01:10:31.466
but it's like this weird

01:10:31.487 --> 01:10:32.307
little street and it goes

01:10:32.347 --> 01:10:33.769
under a little bridge.

01:10:35.090 --> 01:10:35.229
Um,

01:10:36.671 --> 01:10:38.311
and then there's like a library and all

01:10:38.332 --> 01:10:39.752
this other shit, but it's really quite,

01:10:39.813 --> 01:10:41.033
it's like pokey and closed

01:10:41.094 --> 01:10:41.974
in and there's lots of pipe

01:10:42.014 --> 01:10:43.395
work and shit like that.

01:10:44.176 --> 01:10:45.317
And so apparently they just

01:10:45.356 --> 01:10:46.396
smoke machine the shit out

01:10:46.417 --> 01:10:48.878
of it and used it for some of those,

01:10:49.699 --> 01:10:49.939
you know,

01:10:51.663 --> 01:10:53.104
scally's coming out of the

01:10:53.144 --> 01:10:56.064
dark corners bits where

01:10:56.145 --> 01:10:57.204
batman first needed to

01:10:57.265 --> 01:10:58.204
punch people to show that

01:10:58.244 --> 01:10:59.326
he could punch people good

01:11:00.305 --> 01:11:01.845
um I was told anyway that

01:11:01.905 --> 01:11:03.146
that's that's that's maybe

01:11:03.167 --> 01:11:05.186
mallet place uh or there or

01:11:05.226 --> 01:11:07.648
thereabouts could be I'm

01:11:07.707 --> 01:11:08.648
actually this is a bit of a

01:11:08.667 --> 01:11:09.828
segue but I'm I actually

01:11:09.868 --> 01:11:11.328
quite liked the batman when

01:11:11.368 --> 01:11:12.609
I recently came out with uh

01:11:12.668 --> 01:11:13.828
robert pattinson as batman

01:11:15.613 --> 01:11:16.814
i I really enjoyed it I

01:11:16.833 --> 01:11:18.113
thought I i liked the

01:11:18.154 --> 01:11:20.635
return to like gothic moody

01:11:21.454 --> 01:11:22.895
batman and especially with

01:11:22.916 --> 01:11:25.377
like and anytime he had the

01:11:26.237 --> 01:11:28.057
his bat hood off and he had

01:11:28.118 --> 01:11:30.078
like his his like 90s emo

01:11:30.118 --> 01:11:31.979
hair really did it for me

01:11:32.198 --> 01:11:34.840
that was great joe I

01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:36.159
haven't even seen it is it

01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:37.780
would you would you recommend it then

01:11:38.569 --> 01:11:40.171
So as far as the story is concerned,

01:11:40.412 --> 01:11:42.052
three hours or so is a bit

01:11:42.092 --> 01:11:42.873
longer than it needs to be.

01:11:43.554 --> 01:11:44.154
However,

01:11:44.715 --> 01:11:46.777
from a movie making perspective

01:11:46.796 --> 01:11:48.097
and like the cinematography of it,

01:11:48.377 --> 01:11:49.319
I absolutely loved it.

01:11:49.538 --> 01:11:51.701
Like every single scene was

01:11:51.740 --> 01:11:53.082
just beautifully composed.

01:11:53.823 --> 01:11:55.243
And when they when they

01:11:55.283 --> 01:11:56.784
unveiled the new Batmobile,

01:11:56.925 --> 01:11:58.726
they actually use the sound

01:11:58.987 --> 01:12:00.689
of the old Batmobile in the

01:12:00.729 --> 01:12:02.270
sound of the new one, because, you know,

01:12:02.289 --> 01:12:03.171
the actual sound of the

01:12:03.211 --> 01:12:05.372
vehicles isn't what they actually make.

01:12:05.472 --> 01:12:05.632
Right.

01:12:06.854 --> 01:12:07.453
And the funny thing about

01:12:07.493 --> 01:12:08.335
that is that the old

01:12:08.375 --> 01:12:09.015
Batmobile is actually

01:12:09.036 --> 01:12:10.155
really whiny and like it's

01:12:10.195 --> 01:12:11.497
a very annoying sound.

01:12:11.677 --> 01:12:12.939
And they mixed that into the

01:12:12.958 --> 01:12:13.918
sound of the new Batmobile

01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:15.460
and it made it really good.

01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:18.221
But it just it it just it

01:12:18.242 --> 01:12:19.063
was very clearly like

01:12:19.302 --> 01:12:20.423
lovingly created and the

01:12:20.463 --> 01:12:21.204
cinematography and

01:12:21.244 --> 01:12:21.965
everything was very well

01:12:22.005 --> 01:12:23.246
thought out throughout it,

01:12:24.646 --> 01:12:25.728
which is really what I appreciated.

01:12:25.747 --> 01:12:26.849
7.8 on IMDb.

01:12:29.011 --> 01:12:30.131
Much higher than I expected.

01:12:30.152 --> 01:12:32.173
It's worth watching, I think.

01:12:32.694 --> 01:12:32.953
Again,

01:12:33.614 --> 01:12:35.155
three hours is as long as it needs to be.

01:12:35.176 --> 01:12:38.439
And the dialogue, I would say,

01:12:38.458 --> 01:12:41.180
is a little campy at times.

01:12:43.443 --> 01:12:45.304
Or, yeah, I'll give it campy.

01:12:45.323 --> 01:12:47.005
But I'm okay with it.

01:12:47.345 --> 01:12:47.945
What is it?

01:12:48.367 --> 01:12:49.247
What's the timeline of this?

01:12:49.306 --> 01:12:49.967
Is this much later?

01:12:51.872 --> 01:12:52.693
Or is it, it doesn't matter.

01:12:52.712 --> 01:12:53.514
It doesn't matter.

01:12:53.654 --> 01:12:53.913
It does.

01:12:54.274 --> 01:12:55.796
This is an unreal that like

01:12:55.815 --> 01:12:57.256
the Batman story.

01:12:57.856 --> 01:12:57.997
Yeah.

01:12:58.137 --> 01:12:58.337
Yes.

01:12:58.398 --> 01:12:59.498
This is, this is a new line.

01:12:59.878 --> 01:13:01.961
It's not related to like no,

01:13:02.201 --> 01:13:02.902
no timeline or anything

01:13:02.921 --> 01:13:03.582
else associated to it.

01:13:04.524 --> 01:13:04.863
Correct.

01:13:05.144 --> 01:13:05.363
Yes.

01:13:06.045 --> 01:13:06.385
It's cool.

01:13:08.367 --> 01:13:09.427
Andy circus is Alfred.

01:13:09.988 --> 01:13:10.429
That's different.

01:13:11.774 --> 01:13:15.617
nice carmine falcone I have

01:13:15.636 --> 01:13:16.658
to go away and think about

01:13:16.698 --> 01:13:18.698
it but I i saw a film the

01:13:18.719 --> 01:13:19.418
other day and I was

01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:21.020
thinking I need to remember

01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:21.939
this for the game of nodes

01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:23.081
film section because it was

01:13:23.140 --> 01:13:23.881
like it you know when you

01:13:23.900 --> 01:13:24.702
just watch like a solid

01:13:24.761 --> 01:13:25.761
nine out of ten film you're

01:13:25.782 --> 01:13:30.864
like damn slam dunk um so

01:13:30.904 --> 01:13:31.864
where do they bring that

01:13:32.105 --> 01:13:32.805
but they bring like the

01:13:32.845 --> 01:13:33.565
same people back like

01:13:33.586 --> 01:13:34.606
carmine falcone from

01:13:36.912 --> 01:13:38.795
from the original Batman or from, you know,

01:13:39.817 --> 01:13:41.380
from Batman Begins and all

01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:41.819
that kind of stuff.

01:13:43.002 --> 01:13:43.904
John Turturro too.

01:13:44.926 --> 01:13:46.127
Nobody fucks with the Falcone.

01:13:51.210 --> 01:13:53.471
I saw fucking, what's it called?

01:13:53.533 --> 01:13:54.894
Not relatively recently, I guess.

01:13:55.054 --> 01:13:56.154
Probably it's just the last

01:13:56.194 --> 01:13:56.895
year has been a blur.

01:13:56.935 --> 01:13:58.898
But I finally watched Do the

01:13:58.938 --> 01:14:00.840
Right Thing a little while ago.

01:14:00.859 --> 01:14:02.680
That's John Turturro, isn't it?

01:14:02.701 --> 01:14:04.262
Where he's the son of the

01:14:04.323 --> 01:14:05.923
pizza restaurant owner, right?

01:14:06.064 --> 01:14:07.206
Yeah.

01:14:07.765 --> 01:14:08.766
Do you know what?

01:14:08.867 --> 01:14:13.271
That is a film that puts together...

01:14:14.507 --> 01:14:15.628
an incredibly complex

01:14:15.668 --> 01:14:17.430
situation and does not in

01:14:17.530 --> 01:14:18.291
any way tell you what to

01:14:18.310 --> 01:14:21.654
feel about it and just lets it play out.

01:14:21.953 --> 01:14:23.756
That film is masterfully

01:14:23.796 --> 01:14:25.777
done and all of the acting in it,

01:14:25.856 --> 01:14:26.438
you're just like...

01:14:29.875 --> 01:14:31.515
just uh that's that's a

01:14:31.536 --> 01:14:32.617
great film and also john

01:14:32.636 --> 01:14:33.438
sartori is one of those

01:14:33.457 --> 01:14:34.497
people when you see him in

01:14:34.519 --> 01:14:35.859
it you're like because he's

01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:36.859
been in like he has been in

01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:37.860
some kind of shitty stuff

01:14:37.900 --> 01:14:39.462
as well over the years and

01:14:39.481 --> 01:14:41.143
you're just like fuck man

01:14:41.182 --> 01:14:42.824
you are actually really

01:14:42.845 --> 01:14:44.046
good actor he is a good

01:14:44.086 --> 01:14:45.707
actor for sure but then I

01:14:45.747 --> 01:14:46.646
saw something him in

01:14:46.707 --> 01:14:48.208
something else I can't

01:14:48.229 --> 01:14:49.088
remember what it was now

01:14:49.128 --> 01:14:50.029
like relatively recently

01:14:50.050 --> 01:14:51.251
and he was also insane it

01:14:51.291 --> 01:14:52.631
took me a second to actually be like

01:14:53.567 --> 01:14:54.627
that fucking John Turturro

01:14:54.646 --> 01:14:55.927
in like a wig or like, you know,

01:14:55.948 --> 01:14:57.047
a bit of prosthesis or something.

01:14:57.068 --> 01:14:58.309
I was like, yeah, no, actually,

01:14:58.328 --> 01:14:59.328
but he was in do the right thing.

01:14:59.349 --> 01:15:00.208
He's fucking great actor.

01:15:00.229 --> 01:15:00.948
What am I thinking of?

01:15:01.390 --> 01:15:01.649
Yeah.

01:15:02.710 --> 01:15:03.750
Yeah.

01:15:04.470 --> 01:15:04.810
He does.

01:15:04.831 --> 01:15:05.951
I think he doesn't say no.

01:15:07.712 --> 01:15:08.412
What's the line?

01:15:08.431 --> 01:15:09.292
He's in a lot of shit, right?

01:15:11.983 --> 01:15:13.304
What's that line?

01:15:13.323 --> 01:15:14.324
I can't remember.

01:15:14.444 --> 01:15:15.645
I think it was Sean Connery

01:15:15.685 --> 01:15:16.466
or something like that, isn't it?

01:15:16.487 --> 01:15:17.186
Where it's just like,

01:15:17.747 --> 01:15:18.809
it was us about some film.

01:15:18.868 --> 01:15:19.809
It was just like,

01:15:19.849 --> 01:15:20.850
if you pay what I was paid

01:15:20.869 --> 01:15:21.411
to do that film,

01:15:21.430 --> 01:15:22.371
you'd end up in a fucking film.

01:15:22.390 --> 01:15:26.213
It's like some terrible piece of shit.

01:15:26.375 --> 01:15:26.734
That's right.

01:15:27.175 --> 01:15:30.637
Do the right thing only in 8.0 on IMDb.

01:15:32.259 --> 01:15:32.960
That's a shot that would

01:15:32.979 --> 01:15:33.900
actually do better than that.

01:15:33.940 --> 01:15:34.440
That's a good movie.

01:15:36.483 --> 01:15:37.302
I watched Schindler's List

01:15:37.323 --> 01:15:39.225
for the first time a couple weeks ago.

01:15:41.780 --> 01:15:42.720
Some light viewing then.

01:15:43.162 --> 01:15:44.903
Yeah, absolutely.

01:15:44.962 --> 01:15:45.703
Real uplifting.

01:15:47.524 --> 01:15:47.944
It was great.

01:15:48.164 --> 01:15:48.824
I really enjoyed it.

01:15:48.965 --> 01:15:49.805
I expect to enjoy it.

01:15:49.886 --> 01:15:50.405
Everyone says that

01:15:50.426 --> 01:15:51.346
Schindler's List is in the

01:15:51.386 --> 01:15:52.448
top 10 movies of all time.

01:15:55.430 --> 01:15:56.010
For some reason,

01:15:56.029 --> 01:15:57.490
I have Schindler's List and

01:15:57.511 --> 01:15:58.532
Shawshank Redemption kind

01:15:58.551 --> 01:16:01.314
of like inextricably entwined in my mind.

01:16:01.654 --> 01:16:02.715
So I was kind of expecting

01:16:02.734 --> 01:16:03.395
them to be similar.

01:16:03.734 --> 01:16:04.256
They were not.

01:16:04.555 --> 01:16:05.416
And I went with Schindler's

01:16:05.456 --> 01:16:06.777
List having no idea what I

01:16:06.817 --> 01:16:07.518
was getting into.

01:16:10.542 --> 01:16:11.904
They are not.

01:16:14.423 --> 01:16:14.885
That's funny.

01:16:18.206 --> 01:16:19.865
Schindler's has just some

01:16:19.905 --> 01:16:20.786
crazy scenes too.

01:16:21.966 --> 01:16:22.987
Ones that you never forget.

01:16:25.007 --> 01:16:25.887
Do you know what's perverse?

01:16:25.927 --> 01:16:26.707
I've just thought about it.

01:16:26.887 --> 01:16:28.689
I think I've seen Schindler's List.

01:16:28.729 --> 01:16:29.889
I think I've only read the book.

01:16:31.689 --> 01:16:32.789
Yep, definitely worth a watch.

01:16:32.810 --> 01:16:33.409
It's worth watching.

01:16:33.430 --> 01:16:34.530
I think I went, okay.

01:16:34.551 --> 01:16:34.711
Okay.

01:16:41.305 --> 01:16:41.845
what happened?

01:16:41.885 --> 01:16:42.604
Just exit out.

01:16:43.685 --> 01:16:45.185
There was also, um, what happened?

01:16:45.805 --> 01:16:47.787
He just, you GD yourself right out of the,

01:16:47.907 --> 01:16:48.867
uh, right out of the show.

01:16:49.787 --> 01:16:52.368
Um, from YouTube or something.

01:16:52.927 --> 01:16:53.108
Um,

01:16:54.149 --> 01:16:56.208
also greatly like Liam Neeson's amazing

01:16:56.229 --> 01:16:57.909
in that, in that movie as well.

01:16:58.170 --> 01:16:58.810
So it was right.

01:16:59.289 --> 01:17:00.310
Is that as Ray fines?

01:17:01.610 --> 01:17:05.271
Ray fines is also in that.

01:17:06.752 --> 01:17:07.592
Who am I thinking of?

01:17:07.912 --> 01:17:08.895
Well, it's definitely Liam Neeson.

01:17:08.935 --> 01:17:11.176
Liam Neeson is Schindler, I believe.

01:17:12.158 --> 01:17:14.280
Oh, I'm thinking of the Commandant,

01:17:14.320 --> 01:17:14.621
aren't I?

01:17:20.087 --> 01:17:20.387
I don't know.

01:17:20.448 --> 01:17:20.748
I don't know.

01:17:21.328 --> 01:17:22.631
I'm trying to find his...

01:17:23.971 --> 01:17:24.712
The name sounds familiar,

01:17:24.733 --> 01:17:25.914
but I can't think of who that is.

01:17:27.984 --> 01:17:29.845
Well, if you're Googling the name,

01:17:30.444 --> 01:17:31.786
it's Rafe, isn't it?

01:17:31.805 --> 01:17:38.951
So it's spelt R-A-N-U-L-P-H, I think.

01:17:39.792 --> 01:17:40.671
Talking about Voldemort?

01:17:41.292 --> 01:17:41.432
Oh.

01:17:41.453 --> 01:17:45.034
Wait, you're talking about Voldemort?

01:17:45.055 --> 01:17:46.376
Voldemort's a meme coin.

01:17:47.117 --> 01:17:48.478
We're talking about Shameless List.

01:17:50.779 --> 01:17:51.840
Ralph Fiennes?

01:17:51.859 --> 01:17:52.579
Is that who you're talking about?

01:17:53.140 --> 01:17:53.301
Yeah.

01:17:53.320 --> 01:17:53.421
Yeah.

01:17:54.935 --> 01:17:55.475
I don't think so.

01:17:55.576 --> 01:17:56.777
It's pronounced Rafe?

01:17:57.176 --> 01:17:57.658
No, it's not.

01:17:57.677 --> 01:17:59.378
I think it's pronounced Rafe, isn't it?

01:17:59.779 --> 01:18:01.060
No.

01:18:01.121 --> 01:18:02.122
I need to know now.

01:18:03.363 --> 01:18:04.144
But yeah, that's Voldemort.

01:18:04.644 --> 01:18:05.604
I mean, whenever I see him.

01:18:05.886 --> 01:18:08.788
Yeah, you're right.

01:18:08.828 --> 01:18:10.529
He's a German commandant.

01:18:11.030 --> 01:18:12.112
He's fucking brutal in that movie.

01:18:13.493 --> 01:18:14.253
Having seen him in that,

01:18:14.314 --> 01:18:15.395
I totally understand why

01:18:15.814 --> 01:18:17.256
the original director of

01:18:17.317 --> 01:18:18.057
Harry Potter was like...

01:18:19.271 --> 01:18:21.052
I've got just the guy for Voldemort.

01:18:21.752 --> 01:18:23.493
But you know, he's like in other stuff,

01:18:23.514 --> 01:18:24.354
he's like been like a

01:18:24.395 --> 01:18:25.715
romantic lead and he's like

01:18:25.734 --> 01:18:27.195
a Shakespearean actor and stuff.

01:18:27.216 --> 01:18:27.997
So like, I think if,

01:18:28.197 --> 01:18:30.078
because I'm used to him as sort of like,

01:18:30.518 --> 01:18:31.618
sometimes he's the good guy.

01:18:31.658 --> 01:18:32.738
Sometimes he's the bad guy,

01:18:32.759 --> 01:18:34.539
but he's always quite a serious guy.

01:18:35.420 --> 01:18:37.480
And then there's films where he's, he's,

01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:39.882
he's, he's quite a, he's quite a, he's a,

01:18:40.422 --> 01:18:42.844
there's some, there's some rotten apples.

01:18:43.083 --> 01:18:44.364
There's some bad eggs and

01:18:44.404 --> 01:18:45.045
he's one of them.

01:18:45.845 --> 01:18:48.346
He's a bad egg.

01:18:49.247 --> 01:18:50.168
We've got some calls in the

01:18:50.229 --> 01:18:54.211
comments to get off this

01:18:54.350 --> 01:18:56.672
tangent and just give us the news,

01:18:56.792 --> 01:18:57.233
people.

01:18:57.252 --> 01:18:58.694
Do you have another news item?

01:18:59.033 --> 01:19:00.654
Primarily from our news researcher.

01:19:02.136 --> 01:19:02.856
I guess there's one left.

01:19:02.877 --> 01:19:03.277
You can do it.

01:19:03.737 --> 01:19:06.998
Shorty, do you want to do the final one?

01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:08.539
It feels like an American

01:19:08.579 --> 01:19:10.100
should do the one where somebody's doing,

01:19:10.921 --> 01:19:12.042
quote, American stuff.

01:19:12.962 --> 01:19:14.724
I have literally no context for this.

01:19:14.743 --> 01:19:15.505
So I can,

01:19:15.845 --> 01:19:17.225
but this means absolutely nothing to me.

01:19:19.774 --> 01:19:20.636
I have no idea what this one is.

01:19:23.837 --> 01:19:26.480
Eric Voorhees claps back at the SEC,

01:19:26.600 --> 01:19:28.322
quoting James Madison's

01:19:28.381 --> 01:19:30.965
Federalist Paper 51 after

01:19:32.005 --> 01:19:32.826
they filed a cease and

01:19:32.845 --> 01:19:34.667
desist against his exchange, Shapeshift,

01:19:35.007 --> 01:19:36.069
barring it from operating.

01:19:37.069 --> 01:19:37.729
It means nothing to me.

01:19:37.989 --> 01:19:40.512
I know Shapeshift has some

01:19:40.552 --> 01:19:43.435
funny business around

01:19:43.475 --> 01:19:44.296
almost being like a mixer,

01:19:44.555 --> 01:19:45.497
but that's about all I got.

01:19:50.685 --> 01:19:50.886
Yeah.

01:19:51.266 --> 01:19:52.367
I mean, we can just read,

01:19:52.488 --> 01:19:54.668
we read his quote, uh,

01:19:54.748 --> 01:19:57.612
which comes from the federalist 51 paper,

01:19:58.032 --> 01:20:00.514
which is in framing a government,

01:20:00.573 --> 01:20:01.774
which is to be administered

01:20:01.875 --> 01:20:03.036
by men over men.

01:20:03.576 --> 01:20:05.198
The great difficulty lies in this.

01:20:05.557 --> 01:20:06.738
You must first enable the

01:20:06.779 --> 01:20:07.979
government to control the

01:20:08.020 --> 01:20:09.942
governed and in the next place,

01:20:10.061 --> 01:20:11.582
oblige it to control itself.

01:20:12.244 --> 01:20:14.525
A dependence on the people is, no doubt,

01:20:14.587 --> 01:20:16.427
the primary control on the government.

01:20:16.847 --> 01:20:17.969
But experience has taught

01:20:18.509 --> 01:20:20.350
mankind the necessity of

01:20:20.430 --> 01:20:22.291
auxiliary precautions.

01:20:23.112 --> 01:20:28.994
Now, what the fuck is he talking about?

01:20:29.034 --> 01:20:30.076
He screamed into the night

01:20:30.176 --> 01:20:31.417
air when no one listened.

01:20:36.100 --> 01:20:37.801
Is he talking about shapeshift?

01:20:41.010 --> 01:20:44.511
Because that would be, dare I say it,

01:20:45.011 --> 01:20:46.573
quite pretentious of him.

01:20:47.332 --> 01:20:48.514
It might be a little bit big

01:20:48.533 --> 01:20:49.213
for his boots.

01:20:51.875 --> 01:20:52.515
If that were the case.

01:20:52.534 --> 01:20:53.695
Clearly he doesn't think that.

01:20:55.216 --> 01:20:56.537
Well, I mean, again,

01:20:56.877 --> 01:20:57.557
I suppose maybe it would

01:20:57.597 --> 01:20:58.497
make more sense if I

01:20:58.557 --> 01:21:00.658
fucking knew what Shapeshift was.

01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:03.000
It's a dex, I think.

01:21:06.181 --> 01:21:06.561
I don't know.

01:21:07.042 --> 01:21:07.743
Or is it a sex?

01:21:10.086 --> 01:21:11.868
No, it's a Dex.

01:21:12.409 --> 01:21:12.930
It's a Dex,

01:21:13.431 --> 01:21:15.314
and there's a huge DAO to it as well,

01:21:15.354 --> 01:21:15.515
right?

01:21:15.815 --> 01:21:17.899
There's a huge DAO component

01:21:17.918 --> 01:21:18.619
to that as well.

01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:19.681
Maybe the DAO is why I've

01:21:19.702 --> 01:21:21.104
heard of it then rather than the Dex.

01:21:22.256 --> 01:21:22.997
there's definitely a dex

01:21:23.037 --> 01:21:23.817
like you can trade there's

01:21:23.837 --> 01:21:24.957
a bridge you can there's

01:21:25.018 --> 01:21:25.998
pools associated to those

01:21:26.038 --> 01:21:26.859
types of things you can

01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:28.480
lend you can do anything

01:21:28.501 --> 01:21:29.622
else so but I don't know

01:21:29.662 --> 01:21:31.603
what's different about and

01:21:31.643 --> 01:21:32.344
they have their own token

01:21:32.463 --> 01:21:33.583
right there's a fox token

01:21:34.625 --> 01:21:36.206
um but I don't know what's

01:21:36.246 --> 01:21:38.127
different about this versus

01:21:38.427 --> 01:21:39.628
is it just is it just the

01:21:39.849 --> 01:21:42.270
size like why why are these

01:21:42.430 --> 01:21:43.192
why are these guys getting

01:21:43.391 --> 01:21:45.073
called out versus anybody else

01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:50.702
Well, I don't know the full history,

01:21:50.721 --> 01:21:51.601
but I think part of it does

01:21:51.641 --> 01:21:52.382
have to do some sort of

01:21:52.462 --> 01:21:53.644
mixing thing that they used to do.

01:21:53.663 --> 01:21:56.246
Kind of like tornado.

01:21:56.265 --> 01:21:59.427
I'm not 100%, but if I remember correctly,

01:21:59.507 --> 01:22:01.069
there is an aspect of that here.

01:22:01.088 --> 01:22:02.090
I gotcha.

01:22:05.769 --> 01:22:06.350
Meanwhile,

01:22:06.850 --> 01:22:10.413
the readers of Private Eye in

01:22:10.434 --> 01:22:12.076
the UK will have noted a

01:22:12.136 --> 01:22:14.757
news item on parliamentary

01:22:14.818 --> 01:22:15.759
committees on money

01:22:15.819 --> 01:22:17.560
laundering basically

01:22:17.621 --> 01:22:19.762
collapsing into shambles, as it turns out,

01:22:19.903 --> 01:22:20.064
that...

01:22:21.649 --> 01:22:23.690
There's basically the UK is really,

01:22:23.730 --> 01:22:24.291
really good for money

01:22:24.310 --> 01:22:25.131
laundering because of the

01:22:25.171 --> 01:22:27.471
way the company system is set up.

01:22:28.612 --> 01:22:30.712
If you were of a mind to

01:22:30.953 --> 01:22:32.353
abuse the company system

01:22:32.372 --> 01:22:34.234
for money laundering, it's very,

01:22:34.274 --> 01:22:35.173
very easy to do.

01:22:35.333 --> 01:22:36.414
If you're a British citizen

01:22:36.454 --> 01:22:38.095
and you actually want to

01:22:38.154 --> 01:22:40.876
live here and do normal people stuff,

01:22:40.916 --> 01:22:42.396
it's much harder because you have to like,

01:22:42.436 --> 01:22:42.657
you know,

01:22:43.654 --> 01:22:44.855
actually fill out accounts

01:22:44.916 --> 01:22:46.537
and shit but if you're like

01:22:46.597 --> 01:22:47.918
a foreign resident you know

01:22:47.958 --> 01:22:49.359
maybe some and you have

01:22:49.380 --> 01:22:50.140
some dodgy dealings or

01:22:50.161 --> 01:22:51.362
whatever much much easier

01:22:51.381 --> 01:22:52.483
to just like do anonymous

01:22:52.542 --> 01:22:53.264
companies and shell

01:22:53.323 --> 01:22:54.845
companies blah blah blah anyway

01:22:55.894 --> 01:22:58.036
obvious geopolitical reasons

01:22:58.095 --> 01:22:59.256
why that's kind of been

01:22:59.317 --> 01:23:00.618
rumbling over the last few

01:23:00.637 --> 01:23:02.579
years um and there's been

01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:03.740
just like some absolutely

01:23:03.780 --> 01:23:04.801
farcical scenes where

01:23:04.841 --> 01:23:05.863
there's like a commons

01:23:06.042 --> 01:23:07.083
cross-party committee

01:23:07.283 --> 01:23:08.744
looking into this stuff and

01:23:08.765 --> 01:23:09.945
they're like how much

01:23:10.006 --> 01:23:10.987
progress have we made and

01:23:11.006 --> 01:23:12.148
the answer is we can't even

01:23:12.188 --> 01:23:13.729
quantify it we have no idea

01:23:13.789 --> 01:23:14.631
because actually most of

01:23:14.650 --> 01:23:15.371
the checks that we've

01:23:15.411 --> 01:23:16.271
thought about doing don't

01:23:16.311 --> 01:23:18.134
work and yada yada and

01:23:18.154 --> 01:23:19.175
we're just up to our neck

01:23:19.234 --> 01:23:20.496
and shit and everything's bad

01:23:21.474 --> 01:23:23.534
And while we've been debating this,

01:23:23.654 --> 01:23:24.895
the Russian oligarchs have

01:23:24.914 --> 01:23:26.114
bought up half of London

01:23:26.635 --> 01:23:27.536
and infiltrated our

01:23:27.576 --> 01:23:29.055
political class and bought

01:23:29.095 --> 01:23:29.836
our newspapers.

01:23:30.256 --> 01:23:31.317
So we can't even report on

01:23:31.337 --> 01:23:32.037
this shit either.

01:23:33.277 --> 01:23:34.176
And they're now selling

01:23:34.197 --> 01:23:35.117
chunks of their newspapers

01:23:35.157 --> 01:23:36.578
to the Saudis who are sort

01:23:36.618 --> 01:23:37.478
of doing the same thing.

01:23:37.557 --> 01:23:39.399
So we're just completely

01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:40.779
institutionally captured by

01:23:40.819 --> 01:23:41.819
the money launderers.

01:23:43.078 --> 01:23:44.119
We're basically fucked.

01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:44.819
Yeah.

01:23:46.413 --> 01:23:47.173
But hey,

01:23:47.734 --> 01:23:49.176
maybe we should be going after

01:23:49.216 --> 01:23:50.318
some DEXs instead.

01:23:50.377 --> 01:23:53.001
That's probably... So we've

01:23:53.020 --> 01:23:54.061
got bigger fish to fry here

01:23:54.082 --> 01:23:54.802
than worrying about some

01:23:54.823 --> 01:23:57.185
DEXs is what I'm saying.

01:23:57.225 --> 01:23:59.828
But in the US, hey, to be fair,

01:23:59.969 --> 01:24:00.269
I don't know,

01:24:00.288 --> 01:24:01.609
are your money laundering

01:24:01.710 --> 01:24:03.412
sanctions actually that effective?

01:24:04.353 --> 01:24:05.054
I don't really know much

01:24:05.094 --> 01:24:06.055
about how that works in the

01:24:06.135 --> 01:24:07.476
US other than it seems a lot more

01:24:09.952 --> 01:24:11.113
aggressive if nothing else

01:24:11.233 --> 01:24:14.854
like all I know is the way

01:24:14.873 --> 01:24:16.354
they got was got was al

01:24:16.375 --> 01:24:18.234
capone was by money

01:24:18.274 --> 01:24:19.155
laundering he wasn't paying

01:24:19.195 --> 01:24:20.615
his taxes on his criminal

01:24:20.655 --> 01:24:21.377
deeds and that's how they

01:24:21.417 --> 01:24:26.338
got him I mean yeah that's

01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:27.679
a that's the word well done

01:24:28.779 --> 01:24:31.520
no we got him we got him

01:24:33.051 --> 01:24:34.573
And we've all seen the film, right,

01:24:34.653 --> 01:24:36.533
where he just baseball bats that guy,

01:24:36.713 --> 01:24:37.054
you know,

01:24:37.175 --> 01:24:39.336
so I couldn't even get him for that.

01:24:39.456 --> 01:24:40.556
And it was in a film.

01:24:40.877 --> 01:24:41.777
They filmed him doing it.

01:24:43.037 --> 01:24:43.838
And they catch it live.

01:24:44.998 --> 01:24:45.840
They catch it live.

01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:47.421
Why was Sean Connery there?

01:24:47.621 --> 01:24:49.101
I mean, I have a lot of questions.

01:24:50.783 --> 01:24:52.023
Kevin Costner was there, too.

01:24:52.064 --> 01:24:52.384
I mean,

01:24:52.404 --> 01:24:53.283
you would have thought one of those.

01:24:53.344 --> 01:24:54.904
They seem quite pretty stand up guys.

01:24:54.944 --> 01:24:55.666
You thought they'd like.

01:24:56.672 --> 01:24:57.734
know mention it now I think

01:24:57.753 --> 01:24:58.715
about it sean connery was a

01:24:58.755 --> 01:25:00.115
cop I mean I didn't realize

01:25:00.136 --> 01:25:02.018
he was I have a problem

01:25:02.078 --> 01:25:04.300
with this alive in 1928 or

01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:06.201
whatever it's pretty

01:25:06.240 --> 01:25:07.162
outrageous that he was both

01:25:07.181 --> 01:25:10.505
there and at alcatraz or uh

01:25:13.587 --> 01:25:15.328
I mean I mean I guess I

01:25:15.389 --> 01:25:18.452
guess james 1007 was a beat

01:25:18.532 --> 01:25:20.774
cop originally in 1920 chicago uh before

01:25:25.494 --> 01:25:26.576
going into the British

01:25:26.615 --> 01:25:27.697
intelligence during the war.

01:25:27.877 --> 01:25:28.698
Maybe that's,

01:25:29.458 --> 01:25:31.801
I haven't read a classic excuse.

01:25:31.902 --> 01:25:33.743
I haven't read the, uh, in Fleming books.

01:25:33.844 --> 01:25:36.587
So you tell me everything

01:25:36.627 --> 01:25:37.507
that happened was in there.

01:25:37.528 --> 01:25:38.488
Um,

01:25:39.488 --> 01:25:40.408
Okay, so with that, yeah,

01:25:40.427 --> 01:25:41.469
we don't really know.

01:25:41.809 --> 01:25:42.969
Sorry, Rama.

01:25:43.189 --> 01:25:43.628
Sorry, Rama.

01:25:44.329 --> 01:25:45.409
The relevance of this is

01:25:45.430 --> 01:25:47.951
somewhat lost on us,

01:25:47.990 --> 01:25:49.091
but it is very funny that

01:25:49.131 --> 01:25:51.752
he's highfalutinly quoting

01:25:51.931 --> 01:25:54.773
about the responsibilities

01:25:54.813 --> 01:25:55.814
of the social contract,

01:25:55.833 --> 01:25:56.734
given that it has almost

01:25:56.814 --> 01:25:58.354
fucking nothing to do with

01:25:58.413 --> 01:25:59.914
gambling money online, which is,

01:26:00.255 --> 01:26:00.774
let's be honest,

01:26:00.795 --> 01:26:01.975
what most people are doing with that,

01:26:02.055 --> 01:26:03.475
Dex.

01:26:03.916 --> 01:26:04.456
So cool.

01:26:05.476 --> 01:26:09.037
I didn't really... Yeah.

01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:10.242
It's a nice deck.

01:26:10.261 --> 01:26:11.323
It actually looks pretty cool.

01:26:11.863 --> 01:26:12.064
Yeah.

01:26:12.083 --> 01:26:12.824
Even though they had one.

01:26:12.845 --> 01:26:13.987
I thought it was just the DAO side.

01:26:14.006 --> 01:26:16.149
I don't know why I got those two confused.

01:26:16.210 --> 01:26:17.652
Yeah, I mean, it looks all right.

01:26:17.692 --> 01:26:18.453
I am on the website.

01:26:18.474 --> 01:26:20.877
You can tell if it's up here.

01:26:20.896 --> 01:26:21.096
Uh-huh.

01:26:21.917 --> 01:26:23.177
There's this thing where you

01:26:23.198 --> 01:26:24.559
can tell where the various

01:26:24.578 --> 01:26:25.979
Game of Nodes members'

01:26:26.158 --> 01:26:28.520
second monitor is by when they go, ah,

01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:30.260
and raise an eyebrow.

01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:30.801
It's like, oh,

01:26:30.820 --> 01:26:32.541
that must be where the second monitor is,

01:26:33.480 --> 01:26:35.622
where every design is thrown up on it.

01:26:35.702 --> 01:26:38.563
It's like, oh, OK, I'm so sure.

01:26:38.783 --> 01:26:42.623
It's a dog with a head on it, if you like.

01:26:43.104 --> 01:26:44.465
Worth $250,000.

01:26:45.405 --> 01:26:45.746
Yeah.

01:26:47.027 --> 01:26:48.448
Has its own DEX.

01:26:48.729 --> 01:26:49.949
How about that?

01:26:52.612 --> 01:26:54.073
Liquidity pool for the dog with the hat.

01:26:54.713 --> 01:26:56.835
So when are we going to

01:26:56.854 --> 01:26:57.996
start our shit coin then?

01:26:58.015 --> 01:26:58.617
I don't know.

01:26:59.557 --> 01:27:00.497
It's clearly going to have a dog.

01:27:00.518 --> 01:27:01.479
Whatever it is,

01:27:01.498 --> 01:27:02.300
it's going to have a hat on it.

01:27:04.561 --> 01:27:05.283
I also think it's really

01:27:05.302 --> 01:27:06.384
interesting that meme coins

01:27:06.564 --> 01:27:08.225
succeed as dogs, but not cats.

01:27:08.326 --> 01:27:08.947
Have you ever seen a

01:27:08.966 --> 01:27:10.448
successful cat meme coin?

01:27:10.948 --> 01:27:11.069
No.

01:27:11.810 --> 01:27:12.551
They're not really into it.

01:27:13.032 --> 01:27:14.252
Cats just drift off, man.

01:27:14.873 --> 01:27:19.217
They're very pretentious animals.

01:27:19.238 --> 01:27:21.421
I don't think a cat would approve of this.

01:27:23.247 --> 01:27:24.609
Yeah, I mean... Dog would just have fun.

01:27:24.948 --> 01:27:26.670
Consent is really important

01:27:26.850 --> 01:27:27.770
in the meme world.

01:27:28.230 --> 01:27:29.332
No, a dog would have fun with it.

01:27:29.412 --> 01:27:30.493
Like, yeah, let's play, dude.

01:27:30.512 --> 01:27:31.073
Let's go.

01:27:31.252 --> 01:27:32.073
Let's make some money.

01:27:32.094 --> 01:27:32.913
Let's do some shit coins.

01:27:32.934 --> 01:27:33.875
The cat's like, eh.

01:27:33.895 --> 01:27:35.975
Doesn't look like it's going

01:27:35.996 --> 01:27:36.536
to do anything.

01:27:36.555 --> 01:27:37.396
Like, I don't understand.

01:27:37.617 --> 01:27:40.498
The thing is, I could do that, right?

01:27:40.639 --> 01:27:41.579
Or I could wait for you to

01:27:41.659 --> 01:27:44.060
die and then eat your body.

01:27:44.742 --> 01:27:46.603
Which would be just as fun, really,

01:27:46.643 --> 01:27:48.064
in a lot of important ways.

01:27:48.083 --> 01:27:49.744
The cat's like, this is fucking dumb,

01:27:49.784 --> 01:27:49.965
dude.

01:27:49.984 --> 01:27:51.746
Yeah.

01:27:54.582 --> 01:27:56.524
oh my goodness yeah I don't

01:27:56.583 --> 01:27:57.604
yeah I don't think all the

01:27:57.644 --> 01:28:00.105
cats would be into it yeah

01:28:00.826 --> 01:28:03.188
so um does that mean so if

01:28:03.228 --> 01:28:04.328
we start our own meme coin

01:28:04.349 --> 01:28:05.389
does that mean like are we

01:28:05.408 --> 01:28:06.550
going to get the sec letter

01:28:06.630 --> 01:28:07.511
or just the dexes that

01:28:07.551 --> 01:28:09.091
carry our coin maybe I

01:28:09.492 --> 01:28:11.453
don't know are there any

01:28:11.493 --> 01:28:13.073
meme coins that are like

01:28:13.654 --> 01:28:15.095
categorically not animal

01:28:15.136 --> 01:28:16.136
related I can't really

01:28:16.155 --> 01:28:19.859
think of any joe coin uh osmosis

01:28:23.595 --> 01:28:24.694
somebody stop him he's out

01:28:24.715 --> 01:28:28.516
of control he's come back

01:28:28.537 --> 01:28:30.136
from east ever there it is

01:28:30.296 --> 01:28:31.698
yeah this thrown gauntlet

01:28:31.898 --> 01:28:33.818
it's just like is this is

01:28:33.837 --> 01:28:35.078
this the is this the the

01:28:35.118 --> 01:28:36.238
lavender five patter I

01:28:36.259 --> 01:28:37.939
suppose it's like what can

01:28:37.979 --> 01:28:39.880
we do for you and then they

01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:41.261
say something and it's just

01:28:41.320 --> 01:28:43.501
like it's a meme queenie

01:28:43.541 --> 01:28:45.221
and they're like this is this guy

01:28:46.788 --> 01:28:47.168
That's right.

01:28:47.488 --> 01:28:49.130
He's our business guy.

01:28:49.170 --> 01:28:50.210
We want to be in partnership

01:28:50.229 --> 01:28:50.829
with this guy.

01:28:52.430 --> 01:28:53.730
And then Erteman's like,

01:28:54.832 --> 01:28:55.912
but have you considered the

01:28:55.952 --> 01:28:57.972
technical ramifications of

01:28:58.033 --> 01:28:59.252
being in partnership with us?

01:28:59.552 --> 01:29:03.554
And they're like, oh, this guy is serious.

01:29:03.573 --> 01:29:04.253
He scares me.

01:29:04.614 --> 01:29:06.635
I also want to be in partnership with him.

01:29:11.216 --> 01:29:12.016
That'll do.