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I mean,

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it might literally just be because

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it's actually really quite close.

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And I don't know what the

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minimum focal range on a webcam is,

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but you would think it

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would be quite small, you know, like,

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you know, a desk's width away is like,

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surely that's literally how

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a webcam should work, right?

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You'd thought that's what it

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was designed for.

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Hello and welcome to Game of Nodes,

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a weekly podcast from the three of us.

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This week we have a guest.

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We have Bendy from the chat.

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Would you like to say hello, Bendy?

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Hello everyone.

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There we go.

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Okay,

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so a guest has spoken within minute one.

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All of the haters take note.

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And yeah,

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so obviously what is happening

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this week is ETH Denver and

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some of our esteemed

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colleagues have decided

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that rather than hang out

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with us nerds on the internet,

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they should probably make

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the most of going to ETH

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Denver because they're on

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the same continent.

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So

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That's what's going on.

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If you are at ETH Denver,

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and for some mad reason

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listening to this right now,

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live or on a podcast player,

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you should go look up Serp, Schultzy,

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several friends of the podcast.

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I mean, actually,

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a lot of friends of the

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podcast are obviously going

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to be at ETH Denver.

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So if you see anybody who

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you recognize because of the show,

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say hey, and obviously hit up

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You know,

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if you see usurper and short C

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hanging around, say hey.

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And enjoy Denver.

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We're very jealous.

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Anyway, what was the big news this week?

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Is there any news with you guys?

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What's going on?

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Bitcoin pumping?

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Micro cash?

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Bitcoin has pumped

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significantly in the last 24,

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it would seem.

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you can tell something's

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pumping right because I i

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don't ever notice price

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action ever it's just not a

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thing I noticed and then

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even when when something in

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in my aegis makes me aware

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that that things are

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pumping and I'm like ah

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that's actually pretty that

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was like me the last 24

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hours it's like whoa hang

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on we making money now but

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some cosmos chains more than

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others I mean the hub seems

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to be doing well um you

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know this is doing well yep

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I'm sure it won't be when

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next time we have any to

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cash out and but but you

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know yeah I yeah that was

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up like 10 or something

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when I checked I was like

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fucking hell what's aptos

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is up 22 in the last 24

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okay so it's up even more

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than I thought uh

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I know that there's some

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stuff that the Valsat or partners,

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I should say,

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or whatever have been told is coming.

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But I don't know if any of

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that has actually been

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announced or will be

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announced at ETH Denver.

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And a lot of it is cool,

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but I would have thought

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too nerdy to move any price.

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So it must just be the Bitcoin news, no?

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Yeah,

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I think it's just synced with the market.

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But Aptos has been pretty

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flat for a fairly long time as well,

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so maybe it's just having a

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bit of a catch-up.

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Yeah, maybe.

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But, yeah,

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I noticed the hub's going to be

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pumping as well.

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Well, no.

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Hub's actually down over the past 24.

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It's up 10% for – well,

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it's up 13% for a week,

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but it's still like – Yeah,

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a couple of big days and

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then obviously just gave up.

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But anyway, that's fine.

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Got tired and sat down.

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For three days.

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It was, you know, there's like,

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I can't remember what it's off,

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but like all these people

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go running past a guy and

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he's like standing at the

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coffee shop waiting for his coffee.

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And then he's like,

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all these people are just

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fucking sprinting past.

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And he's like, gets into this,

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starts like jogging on the

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spot and about to like, you know,

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run off with them.

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And then they all pass.

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And then he's like,

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Yeah,

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and just goes back to waiting for his

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coffee.

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Is that not just something

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you kind of hallucinated one day?

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Is that a really thing?

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Did that happen?

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I mean, it might have.

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I don't know.

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Comedy show, which country, roughly?

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Yeah, I've got no idea.

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It's just something I remember.

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No idea where it came from.

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I just remember it.

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It happened at one point in my life.

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It was some media that I saw somewhere.

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I don't know if it was part

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of a TV show or a movie or

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just some shit on YouTube

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or garbage somewhere, but I saw it.

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And I'll die by the sword on that.

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I did not hallucinate it.

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So like the veteran...

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avant-garde comedian stuart

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lee you are saying simply

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you can't say that this did

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not happen because it did

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and I was there yes which

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I'd recommend actually if

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you if you want a very if

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you want a very very

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testing long form comedy

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special the uh what's it

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called comedy vehicle

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is is a good a good watch if

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you're into a certain type

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of comedy which may be

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adjacent to not being

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comedy at all um so right

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yeah market's pumping what

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else is happening what's

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new with you the lights

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fucking suck in this room

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that's for sure I'm uh in

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melbourne at the moment and

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this I'm not enjoying this

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light situation he's not

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enjoying the city situation

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no I think well you know the

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uh it's getting later in

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summer as well so it's not

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getting sunny as early and

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now like you know it's kind

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of I think in a few weeks

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it's going to be like dark

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at this time which is going

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to be annoying and then

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they're going to bring in

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they're going to cut off

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daylight savings then I'm

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going to be like getting up

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in the middle of the night

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to do this podcast I mean

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feel bad for you but weekly

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we're on the climb the slow

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climb out of the misery and

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despair of winter and it's

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we're just I think maybe in

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the first week or so when

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you're definitely not going

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to work in the dark and

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then coming home in the

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dark and you're like maybe

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there is hope it's also

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it's also not just been

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great and drizzly so

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That's made me really happy.

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There's been moments of

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sunlight that have

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coincided with my walk to

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and from train stations,

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and that's been just magnificent.

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I mean,

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cold and windy and still vile

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compared to what I'm most

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complaining about.

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We could just do another 45,

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50 minutes on different

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microclimates in the UK.

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Some observations on the weather,

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some complaining about the weather,

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but I was on the East coast.

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It would also be good, right?

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I was on the East coast the weekend.

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Right.

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And I will say this is the

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East coast is noticeably,

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noticeably less wet or like even gray.

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It's just cold as fuck.

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And you're like,

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Huh?

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That's a winter sky.

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I do not recall seeing one

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of those in a while.

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So the rain falls and by the

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time it gets to the east, it's all gone.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, and somehow all the fuck,

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all I could fucking think of.

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So I was,

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I was up in Scotland and all I

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could fucking think of was

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that bombshell from the

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potter the other week.

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it turned out the population

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of australia was like 25

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million and I was just like

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it's only five times

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scotland and I just you

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know when you have like

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almost like an intrusive

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thought that you're like

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you're walking down the

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street and then you just

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remember that the

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population of australia is

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only five times scotland

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and scotland's got quite a

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small population and I just

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for whatever reason I just couldn't

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I kept just thinking about that fact.

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I mean, I had other things to do.

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I'd be like trying to change

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a baby or something on like

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a train or in like the back

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of a cafe or something.

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I'd be like, damn,

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only five times Scotland, huh?

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Only five times Scotland.

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Ain't that a thing?

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Just like over and over.

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I don't know why it was,

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but it was really on my

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mind this weekend.

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Maybe there's some reason.

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Maybe like if you can work

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out why it's only almost

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exactly five times the population,

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you can figure out where

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the Holy Grail is or something.

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It's like an Indiana Jones riddle.

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Probably not.

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It's a pretty strange thing

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that you have occupying your mind.

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Yeah, I mean,

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it's entirely possible that

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this is just a sign of some

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kind of advanced nervous breakdown,

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but that's been in the post

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for some time now.

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You've actually been sleeping.

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Maybe it's just you're not

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getting enough sleep and

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therefore you're just stuck

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on one thought.

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yeah possibly well I've

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noticed actually as as as

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you get towards says as you

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get towards like the end of

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year one of we nipper you

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start getting sleep again

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like semi consistently and

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you go a bit crazy like

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it's like everything

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catches up with you and you

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start just like tuning out

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like you'll be talking to

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somebody and you'll realize

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like about four seconds ago

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that you made like a massive faux pas

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And it's like, then you go like, oh God,

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like three months ago,

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I wouldn't have even noticed that.

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And you're like, oh my God,

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I must've been awful the last six months.

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And then you realize that you've just,

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you're thinking all these

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thoughts and you've just

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stopped talking in this

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conversation and stop responding.

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And you're like, well,

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I've compounded a faux pas

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with staring absentmindedly into space.

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Fuck.

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and you're in work and it's

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literally like having your

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trousers down and that's

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that that was like there

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was like a good patch of

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that just before christmas

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where I was just like why

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the fuck am I even here

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I've just become completely

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incoherent my boss has just

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returned to work after having um

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as part of the year off for

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maternity leave.

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And I handed her the card of

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the person who'd been doing

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her maternity leave cover.

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So, like,

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can you just send me your name here?

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And she immediately failed

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to actually read her name.

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She just wrote something, like,

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wrote some letters from her name.

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And I was like,

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this is just going to happen a lot, like,

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while I get used to being, like,

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a professional person again.

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So, and that was one where I just thought,

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oh, I remember that, like,

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a long time ago now from Mark with my kids,

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but you know, you,

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you're already kind of exhausted anyway.

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Um, might, might change a bit.

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My youngest isn't eight, so I've got, uh,

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so yeah, maybe,

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maybe once she's also at secondary school,

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then there'll be kind of

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very consistent kind of like, oh,

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I'm not completely

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shattered all the time.

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Get some time to myself.

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I think when they've all left home, right.

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Isn't that when you get all,

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when they're all, I guess, yeah.

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When they're all teenagers around,

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they hate your guts.

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yeah well I think there's an

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alleged self-sufficiency

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that is meant to be

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happening and therefore I

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in theory do have more time

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um but really just a lot of

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time back by doing the

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script like so um less

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crypto that really makes

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you consider your life

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choices huh yeah but you

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also want um we've just had

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a quote for some building

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work and um I may need to

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uh find some sort of

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100x gem in order to pay for

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all the conversions.

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100x gem?

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Well, I think that's Rama.

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Although, looking in the spreadsheet,

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I don't see any 100x gems listed.

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There's just lots of stuff about newts.

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Yeah, I mean, he loves amphibians.

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It says, send newts.

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Ah, I get that.

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I get that joke.

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This is what I'm talking about.

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Do you own a bag, Bendy?

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Yes.

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I did a thing where I sold, what was it,

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200 atom for some newt and

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ran a poll to see which had

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been worth more in a month.

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And it turned out the newt

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was worth considerably more.

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At one point it was 2x that,

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so it definitely went over 400.

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It's about 300 and something

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I think it was at the

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moment for an atom for the same amount.

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But the majority of my new

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holdings actually come from

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Rama, who just gave me some,

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and I then have shared it

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with some other friends,

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my kind of semi-crypto friends,

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and I've just shared it with them.

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And I'm like,

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if this ever goes to being

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worth a lot of money, you can have it.

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But in the meantime,

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I'm not giving it to you

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because you'll just dump it.

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So I don't trust them.

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In fact,

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Rama also tried the airdrop mean newt.

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He should have accepted the newt.

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No, I did not.

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What is the new?

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It's a coin.

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It's just a meme coin.

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Just a meme coin.

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Right.

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Good.

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Just a meme coin.

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It's the mascot of Neutron

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and has its own Telegram trading bot.

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Has its own what?

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There's a Telegram trading

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bot called Isaac because

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he's called Isaac Neutron.

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I did see something about that,

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to be fair.

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It's really cool.

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Although it's probably Rama

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tweeting about it now I think about it.

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Or if you follow any of the Skip guys,

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it'd be them as well.

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Because I think it's one of the guys,

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Jacob at Skip, I think, built him.

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Ah, yeah, okay.

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No,

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it would be one of the skip guys that I

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saw.

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So... Okay, so that's... I'm sure, like,

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and this is the other thing, right?

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Presumably every week,

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I think if we went back,

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we'd find that every week

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for the last few weeks,

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I'd probably ask what newt is.

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That's because we are not as

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well-rested as we like to pretend we are,

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fellas.

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Hey.

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I'd say this is more like cultural advice.

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Just buy some newt.

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It's good fun.

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cultural advice not

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financial advice it's very

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important there's good

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culture and you can send

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notes to people yes so is

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there a big is there a big

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newt after party denver

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that people should check

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out if they're there I

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don't know I assume there

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would be I mean if they

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imagine that you know

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All the meat holders that are there,

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I'm sure,

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will coordinate themselves and

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gather around to talk about

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how it's ultrasound salamander money.

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Gather around a burning

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trash can to warm themselves.

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Deal with the altitude

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sickness and all of that, right?

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Yeah.

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There's some big mountains near Denver.

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It would be really nice.

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Oh, the altitude there is fucked.

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yeah everyone spends the

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whole fucking time wishing

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they weren't there and

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partying I know I mean I've

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been to denver before it's

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it's cool um I just mean

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that like cool it's fucked

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I mean maybe people should

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just be in better shape but

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but I i reckon I like the

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one thing because I was I

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was just passing through

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the one time I've been

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there and I remember seeing

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how big how big the

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could probably like they're

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only about you know 10 15

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kilometers outside of town

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aren't they like you could

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probably just hire a bike

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and just just make a day of

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it right like I wonder how

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high you can get on a like

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as in like what's the

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what's the highest pass up

00:16:57.341 --> 00:16:58.381
there that you could get to

00:16:58.442 --> 00:16:59.363
this time of year on a road

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bike yeah it's pretty high

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right I guess so um

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mean the thing they do is

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like why are you going to

00:17:10.768 --> 00:17:11.667
denver at this time of year

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if you're not going to east

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denver if you're going to

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go to denver and then just

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go I'm sucking off the

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conference what you're

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going to do is go cycling

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you just go at a different

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time right right but it's a

00:17:21.671 --> 00:17:23.230
free trip to go sack it off

00:17:23.290 --> 00:17:25.912
and then go cycling how is

00:17:25.951 --> 00:17:26.872
it free trip someone's

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paying well you've got to

00:17:28.471 --> 00:17:29.292
make you got to make money

00:17:29.333 --> 00:17:30.573
first but you know

00:17:31.053 --> 00:17:31.752
potentially like an

00:17:31.792 --> 00:17:34.814
employer or something is paying um okay

00:17:36.211 --> 00:17:37.374
I mean like I would I would

00:17:37.394 --> 00:17:38.253
guess most people who are

00:17:38.275 --> 00:17:39.395
at East Denver are like

00:17:39.476 --> 00:17:42.259
there on an employer's uh

00:17:43.621 --> 00:17:48.365
company card yeah when I'm

00:17:48.405 --> 00:17:49.948
doing that I try to spend

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my time drinking and not cycling

00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:55.340
I mean, that's a bad one.

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I am going to have to

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interject here and say that

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your microphone is really

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annoying the fuck out of me.

00:18:01.805 --> 00:18:03.326
It is like you're mumbling

00:18:03.366 --> 00:18:06.648
into a trash can out the side of a pub.

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Let me see if I can just

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take the thing off the phone.

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I just sort of jumped into it like this.

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Is that better?

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No,

00:18:14.875 --> 00:18:16.415
I think it's more like the connection

00:18:16.455 --> 00:18:16.796
or something.

00:18:16.855 --> 00:18:18.357
It's like it keeps dropping in and out.

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It's fucking annoying.

00:18:20.578 --> 00:18:22.299
No,

00:18:22.380 --> 00:18:24.382
it's a technical troubleshooting corner.

00:18:30.182 --> 00:18:31.825
Like maybe just unplug it

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and plug it into a

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different hole somewhere or

00:18:34.467 --> 00:18:36.128
like not use it.

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Do you have headphones?

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No, I'm going to have to give up the move.

00:18:44.096 --> 00:18:46.398
Like just fucking unplug that thing,

00:18:46.479 --> 00:18:47.539
take it over the corner,

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throw it into the corner,

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stomp on it a few times and

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then put your headphones on.

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And there we go.

00:18:57.392 --> 00:18:58.413
That is the cultural

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difference between British

00:18:59.594 --> 00:19:01.275
people and Australians in

00:19:01.595 --> 00:19:03.336
an absolute nutshell.

00:19:05.017 --> 00:19:06.198
Apologies if you paid more

00:19:06.238 --> 00:19:08.138
than fucking 45 cents for that on Etsy.

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Probably on Timu.

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Or is that just Serp?

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Was it Serp who had

00:19:13.481 --> 00:19:15.324
installed Timu to buy some crap?

00:19:16.929 --> 00:19:18.990
fucking timu I've never been

00:19:19.471 --> 00:19:20.652
I've been getting scared

00:19:20.711 --> 00:19:22.792
for a year not knowing what

00:19:22.893 --> 00:19:23.993
timu was I just keep

00:19:24.013 --> 00:19:24.815
getting all of these

00:19:24.855 --> 00:19:26.955
fucking timu like emails

00:19:26.996 --> 00:19:28.257
I'm like what is this shit

00:19:28.436 --> 00:19:29.498
never never clicked on it

00:19:29.857 --> 00:19:30.999
because it looks scammy as

00:19:31.078 --> 00:19:33.400
shit yeah uh and then and

00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:34.421
then what did you surf and

00:19:34.441 --> 00:19:36.301
buy like some used condoms

00:19:36.342 --> 00:19:39.723
or something from there fuck those but um

00:19:41.065 --> 00:19:41.486
Yeah, no,

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I read an article about the

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economics of it because, of course,

00:19:45.328 --> 00:19:46.249
I'm a fucking loser.

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The economics of Teemu.

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Was this academic research?

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No, no, no.

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It was like the FT or something.

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It was like an interest piece.

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So, like, yeah,

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like moderately

00:20:00.060 --> 00:20:01.402
well-researched or whatever.

00:20:01.461 --> 00:20:03.303
But, like, I was on a train.

00:20:03.323 --> 00:20:04.023
I had time to kill.

00:20:04.044 --> 00:20:04.805
I'd forgotten my book.

00:20:05.545 --> 00:20:07.926
And it's like...

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their entire game plan is

00:20:10.894 --> 00:20:12.715
like a turbo charge.

00:20:13.816 --> 00:20:14.675
It's like the shit coin.

00:20:14.776 --> 00:20:15.416
It like, it's like,

00:20:15.797 --> 00:20:16.537
it's like the shit coin

00:20:16.557 --> 00:20:17.958
version of a strategy, right?

00:20:18.377 --> 00:20:19.778
There's like the Amazon strategy,

00:20:19.818 --> 00:20:20.719
which is you sell,

00:20:20.778 --> 00:20:21.880
you sell stuff at a loss

00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:23.059
until you get market share.

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And then you just go, Oh,

00:20:24.040 --> 00:20:25.500
we're jacking up the price.

00:20:26.662 --> 00:20:27.602
And then there's their plan,

00:20:27.622 --> 00:20:30.824
which just you, as I understand it,

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you basically say,

00:20:31.544 --> 00:20:34.665
this is the price floor and

00:20:35.086 --> 00:20:37.727
the sellers have to make it happen.

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And they don't even make any

00:20:40.201 --> 00:20:41.761
money and the platform

00:20:41.801 --> 00:20:44.541
loses money and the buyers

00:20:44.582 --> 00:20:46.123
are buying crap they don't need.

00:20:46.343 --> 00:20:48.222
And it's usually a really poor quality.

00:20:49.064 --> 00:20:50.743
So basically everybody loses.

00:20:50.943 --> 00:20:53.164
Like it's, it's like a fascinating,

00:20:54.644 --> 00:20:55.825
like the economics of the

00:20:55.884 --> 00:20:58.026
situation are mad because

00:20:58.066 --> 00:20:59.306
it's like the invisible

00:20:59.346 --> 00:21:01.987
hand is going like, Hey,

00:21:02.126 --> 00:21:04.627
you said you wanted 55

00:21:04.627 --> 00:21:06.228
rabbit shaped condoms.

00:21:08.188 --> 00:21:09.328
We'll make that happen.

00:21:09.388 --> 00:21:10.890
By the way, they've all got holes in them.

00:21:11.250 --> 00:21:12.191
And then the seller doesn't

00:21:12.211 --> 00:21:13.231
make any money either.

00:21:13.792 --> 00:21:15.114
And everybody loses.

00:21:15.253 --> 00:21:18.375
It's just the maddest micro-economy.

00:21:22.420 --> 00:21:25.461
When I search Timu, top results include,

00:21:25.942 --> 00:21:26.982
is Timu legit?

00:21:28.565 --> 00:21:29.644
Is Timu legit?

00:21:31.507 --> 00:21:32.327
What is Timu?

00:21:32.347 --> 00:21:34.269
Yeah.

00:21:35.588 --> 00:21:36.890
Inside Australia's

00:21:37.549 --> 00:21:40.372
fastest-growing online marketplace, Timu.

00:21:42.212 --> 00:21:44.773
Chinese ultra-cheap online

00:21:44.854 --> 00:21:46.394
shopping model losing steam.

00:21:46.414 --> 00:21:49.355
Yeah, well, there you go.

00:21:50.217 --> 00:21:50.517
There you go.

00:21:50.537 --> 00:21:51.156
In fact,

00:21:51.196 --> 00:21:53.459
you didn't probably hear it here first,

00:21:53.499 --> 00:21:54.679
but, yeah, Timu sucks.

00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:55.539
Anyway.

00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:57.621
That sucks.

00:21:59.951 --> 00:22:01.553
Oh yeah, Timu, it sucks.

00:22:02.413 --> 00:22:06.614
So that's Game of Nodes.

00:22:06.694 --> 00:22:07.714
We have all those brands

00:22:07.755 --> 00:22:08.775
that are lining up to try

00:22:08.815 --> 00:22:09.655
and get endorsements from

00:22:09.695 --> 00:22:11.556
Game of Nodes and we have

00:22:11.576 --> 00:22:12.636
the sticker that says Game

00:22:12.676 --> 00:22:13.737
of Nodes approved, don't we?

00:22:13.797 --> 00:22:14.557
Like the stamp.

00:22:14.656 --> 00:22:16.157
And we have the Game of

00:22:16.178 --> 00:22:17.699
Nodes shitcoin stamp.

00:22:18.459 --> 00:22:19.999
As seen on Gone.

00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:21.279
Yeah.

00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:23.421
We're going to apply the

00:22:23.461 --> 00:22:25.500
Game of Nodes shitcoin stamp to Timu.

00:22:25.862 --> 00:22:26.902
Shitcoin confirmed.

00:22:29.388 --> 00:22:31.509
yeah what yeah yeah so bendy

00:22:31.549 --> 00:22:32.810
have you uh have you

00:22:32.851 --> 00:22:33.810
managed to resolve your

00:22:33.851 --> 00:22:37.492
issues bud well I don't

00:22:37.512 --> 00:22:39.013
know if I said anything I

00:22:39.134 --> 00:22:39.913
thought my issue is

00:22:39.953 --> 00:22:41.974
actually a wi-fi issue yeah

00:22:44.336 --> 00:22:45.517
I think you might be right

00:22:46.376 --> 00:22:47.577
like can you tether to your

00:22:47.617 --> 00:22:48.478
phone or something do you

00:22:48.518 --> 00:22:50.798
have like phone towers over there yeah

00:22:53.702 --> 00:22:54.844
The thing is that I don't

00:22:54.864 --> 00:22:55.983
understand how the video

00:22:56.023 --> 00:22:57.045
could be good because the

00:22:57.065 --> 00:22:58.184
video is the thing that

00:22:58.224 --> 00:22:59.965
takes the actual bandwidth

00:23:00.207 --> 00:23:01.346
and then the audio.

00:23:01.767 --> 00:23:02.928
The video is quite crisp.

00:23:03.167 --> 00:23:04.209
It's only when you talk,

00:23:04.269 --> 00:23:05.249
everything goes to shit.

00:23:06.730 --> 00:23:06.869
Well,

00:23:06.890 --> 00:23:08.391
so I like how you've given up having

00:23:08.431 --> 00:23:09.491
a stand for your microphone

00:23:09.531 --> 00:23:10.971
now that you're now just leaning back,

00:23:11.071 --> 00:23:11.633
reclining.

00:23:15.902 --> 00:23:17.623
I'm at the secondary location.

00:23:17.663 --> 00:23:18.803
I'm not set up here at all.

00:23:18.923 --> 00:23:20.103
I've lost my tripod.

00:23:20.423 --> 00:23:21.564
I have to tape my fucking

00:23:21.604 --> 00:23:22.483
phone to my monitor.

00:23:22.564 --> 00:23:23.763
I'm holding my microphone.

00:23:24.404 --> 00:23:26.924
I hate the fucking light in this room.

00:23:26.984 --> 00:23:28.705
It's like really making me angry.

00:23:28.726 --> 00:23:31.967
And taking it out on Bendy

00:23:31.987 --> 00:23:32.846
and his shitty microphone.

00:23:33.767 --> 00:23:35.248
Well, actually, as it turns out,

00:23:35.567 --> 00:23:36.647
he's probably just stomped

00:23:36.708 --> 00:23:37.548
on the microphone in the

00:23:37.588 --> 00:23:38.489
corner when he turned off

00:23:39.769 --> 00:23:41.869
his camera in anger.

00:23:43.660 --> 00:23:46.381
And it's probably just fine.

00:23:46.961 --> 00:23:47.060
See,

00:23:47.080 --> 00:23:48.882
the problem was you called Niles tech

00:23:48.922 --> 00:23:49.362
support.

00:23:52.084 --> 00:23:53.324
It was a lot of confidence,

00:23:53.444 --> 00:23:54.424
a lot of confidence.

00:23:55.265 --> 00:23:57.125
But what do you call Niles what?

00:23:57.826 --> 00:23:58.646
Niles tech support.

00:23:59.307 --> 00:24:00.728
Oh, no, you don't.

00:24:01.189 --> 00:24:02.368
You don't call Niles tech support.

00:24:02.628 --> 00:24:02.749
Hey,

00:24:02.769 --> 00:24:04.390
do you manage to solve that problem

00:24:04.410 --> 00:24:04.970
that you're having with

00:24:04.990 --> 00:24:05.750
that server where you're

00:24:05.770 --> 00:24:06.691
having to drive back and

00:24:06.750 --> 00:24:10.393
forth over and over?

00:24:10.673 --> 00:24:11.653
Because of tech support.

00:24:13.003 --> 00:24:13.604
Yes and no.

00:24:13.624 --> 00:24:15.625
I have more of a supplier

00:24:15.684 --> 00:24:18.224
problem than a fucking server problem.

00:24:18.726 --> 00:24:19.905
They keep sending me used

00:24:19.986 --> 00:24:22.826
disks with pending fucking

00:24:22.866 --> 00:24:23.946
smart failures on them.

00:24:24.067 --> 00:24:26.067
So that's been irritating.

00:24:27.208 --> 00:24:31.749
And have you been buying them used?

00:24:32.528 --> 00:24:32.808
New.

00:24:33.009 --> 00:24:34.089
I've been buying them new.

00:24:34.730 --> 00:24:37.851
They've been coming used.

00:24:37.871 --> 00:24:37.951
What?

00:24:38.270 --> 00:24:39.330
From a legit vendor?

00:24:39.351 --> 00:24:39.431
Yeah.

00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:42.221
wow well obviously that we

00:24:42.260 --> 00:24:43.780
even buy these discs off tv

00:24:45.241 --> 00:24:46.722
I buy my servers from from

00:24:46.762 --> 00:24:47.843
this place and they're

00:24:47.863 --> 00:24:49.263
really good they they

00:24:49.384 --> 00:24:51.744
thought they had a um a

00:24:51.845 --> 00:24:57.027
batch of uh opened bit new

00:24:57.086 --> 00:24:59.508
drives that a customer had

00:24:59.667 --> 00:25:01.509
bought thinking that they

00:25:01.548 --> 00:25:03.029
could use sas drives but

00:25:03.549 --> 00:25:06.010
only had sada interface

00:25:07.855 --> 00:25:08.355
Anyway,

00:25:09.356 --> 00:25:11.938
the smart data kind of says that

00:25:11.958 --> 00:25:12.917
they've been sitting there

00:25:12.958 --> 00:25:15.878
spinning for six months and all have like,

00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:18.661
you know, failures in there.

00:25:18.681 --> 00:25:20.621
I can't remember exactly

00:25:20.961 --> 00:25:22.902
what smart failure it is, but it's like,

00:25:23.041 --> 00:25:23.301
you know,

00:25:23.321 --> 00:25:24.663
the warning comes up in pending

00:25:24.722 --> 00:25:28.744
doom and like they sent me

00:25:28.785 --> 00:25:30.545
a replacement for the one

00:25:31.006 --> 00:25:31.766
that was broken.

00:25:32.693 --> 00:25:33.594
you know, used.

00:25:33.934 --> 00:25:35.855
And then that one was used

00:25:35.935 --> 00:25:38.576
also and had the same, like, smart thing.

00:25:38.876 --> 00:25:39.636
They're all from the same

00:25:39.717 --> 00:25:42.699
box on Timu or whatever, aren't they?

00:25:43.618 --> 00:25:45.279
But the brand new ones,

00:25:45.539 --> 00:25:47.421
the new in-packet ones were fine.

00:25:47.520 --> 00:25:48.141
They work great.

00:25:49.122 --> 00:25:50.162
And all the other gear that

00:25:50.221 --> 00:25:51.923
I get from this place is great as well.

00:25:52.022 --> 00:25:54.384
So I don't know what the go

00:25:54.443 --> 00:25:55.164
is with these hard drives.

00:25:55.224 --> 00:25:56.144
I believe that hard drives

00:25:56.184 --> 00:25:57.145
are quite hard to get in

00:25:57.185 --> 00:25:58.086
Australia at the moment,

00:25:59.086 --> 00:26:01.367
especially the SAS drives, Exos SAS.

00:26:02.317 --> 00:26:05.441
But anyway, working through that.

00:26:05.780 --> 00:26:08.143
But I did just commission a new server.

00:26:08.542 --> 00:26:12.846
So I flew down to Melbourne on when?

00:26:12.866 --> 00:26:13.227
Tuesday?

00:26:13.627 --> 00:26:14.028
Tuesday?

00:26:14.147 --> 00:26:16.750
And then... It's Wednesday today.

00:26:17.871 --> 00:26:18.030
Hmm?

00:26:18.551 --> 00:26:19.332
Yeah, Thursday.

00:26:19.472 --> 00:26:21.433
Wait, no, it's Thursday today for you.

00:26:21.473 --> 00:26:21.974
For me, yeah.

00:26:22.916 --> 00:26:24.378
So Tuesday I flew down here

00:26:24.699 --> 00:26:27.582
and said hi to my partner.

00:26:27.622 --> 00:26:28.742
She picked me up from the airport,

00:26:28.883 --> 00:26:30.364
gave her a kiss on the

00:26:30.403 --> 00:26:32.767
cheek and stole her car and

00:26:32.787 --> 00:26:35.148
went to the data center and

00:26:35.229 --> 00:26:37.471
commissioned my latest

00:26:38.071 --> 00:26:40.933
storage server until

00:26:41.494 --> 00:26:42.576
midnight and then came home.

00:26:44.125 --> 00:26:44.986
Um, but it works great.

00:26:45.226 --> 00:26:46.307
It's an old, older,

00:26:46.807 --> 00:26:48.628
older hardware I got from a, uh,

00:26:49.369 --> 00:26:50.711
secondhand reseller in

00:26:50.730 --> 00:26:54.894
Australia who does great work for, uh,

00:26:55.096 --> 00:26:56.016
for secondhand stuff.

00:26:56.076 --> 00:26:59.480
Like the level of service I

00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:02.142
got from this mob was eclipses,

00:27:02.542 --> 00:27:04.944
like new server hardware suppliers.

00:27:05.045 --> 00:27:05.865
It was fantastic.

00:27:06.926 --> 00:27:07.047
Um.

00:27:08.003 --> 00:27:09.163
And anyway, yeah, commissioned it,

00:27:09.384 --> 00:27:10.325
put some hard drives in it.

00:27:10.924 --> 00:27:12.846
Do you think they would like

00:27:13.205 --> 00:27:14.306
an endorsement from you in

00:27:14.346 --> 00:27:16.146
return for a shout out on the podcast?

00:27:18.387 --> 00:27:18.508
No.

00:27:18.567 --> 00:27:20.587
So you're not going to

00:27:20.607 --> 00:27:21.608
mention who they are then?

00:27:21.628 --> 00:27:21.669
No.

00:27:23.068 --> 00:27:23.229
No,

00:27:23.269 --> 00:27:26.410
because then someone will buy all my

00:27:26.470 --> 00:27:27.951
fucking secondhand servers I want to buy.

00:27:28.894 --> 00:27:29.213
All right,

00:27:29.255 --> 00:27:30.756
so you want to keep them all for yourself,

00:27:30.796 --> 00:27:33.019
like hoard the hypothetical

00:27:33.058 --> 00:27:33.599
servers that you've

00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:34.540
actually not purchased from

00:27:34.580 --> 00:27:35.862
inventory because you don't need them.

00:27:35.882 --> 00:27:35.961
Yeah,

00:27:36.442 --> 00:27:39.926
I shall hoard my future service dash.

00:27:40.768 --> 00:27:41.127
Very good.

00:27:41.489 --> 00:27:42.309
Okay, excellent.

00:27:42.329 --> 00:27:43.330
Wow.

00:27:46.553 --> 00:27:48.012
I don't have anything as interesting,

00:27:48.193 --> 00:27:49.413
although I was really,

00:27:49.614 --> 00:27:51.694
really tired when we

00:27:51.775 --> 00:27:53.234
finally took delivery of

00:27:53.375 --> 00:27:54.494
one of the boxes we needed

00:27:54.535 --> 00:27:57.056
last week for the Aptos stress net.

00:27:58.135 --> 00:27:59.537
And everything else was kind

00:27:59.557 --> 00:28:00.217
of mostly set up.

00:28:02.597 --> 00:28:04.999
And it was last Wednesday, actually,

00:28:05.038 --> 00:28:05.739
or there was like, no,

00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:06.278
it would have been like

00:28:06.298 --> 00:28:07.919
literally last Friday, Friday, maybe.

00:28:07.939 --> 00:28:08.799
And

00:28:10.336 --> 00:28:13.237
It was delivered in a rescue

00:28:13.257 --> 00:28:14.778
state and all this other

00:28:14.798 --> 00:28:16.357
stuff from a supplier.

00:28:18.598 --> 00:28:19.659
You had to log into the

00:28:19.699 --> 00:28:23.201
proprietary hardware

00:28:23.441 --> 00:28:24.480
manager for the server

00:28:24.500 --> 00:28:27.602
manufacturer to start bootstrapping it.

00:28:28.423 --> 00:28:28.542
And

00:28:29.484 --> 00:28:30.266
You know when you just have

00:28:30.326 --> 00:28:32.086
one of those fucking idiot

00:28:32.106 --> 00:28:33.788
mornings and I was just

00:28:33.828 --> 00:28:35.670
like absolutely banging my

00:28:35.690 --> 00:28:36.611
head against like I had

00:28:36.631 --> 00:28:37.932
like the instructions.

00:28:37.951 --> 00:28:39.532
I was just like, oh man,

00:28:39.553 --> 00:28:41.035
this is why I just do cloud

00:28:41.075 --> 00:28:43.115
weenie shit on AWS or

00:28:43.176 --> 00:28:44.597
whatever because I just

00:28:44.637 --> 00:28:45.458
don't remember how to do

00:28:45.538 --> 00:28:46.598
any of this crap anymore.

00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:47.579
And...

00:28:48.740 --> 00:28:50.682
i just just literally I was

00:28:50.803 --> 00:28:52.005
just trying to set up raid

00:28:52.025 --> 00:28:53.967
and I was like I don't

00:28:53.987 --> 00:28:55.327
remember this being so hard

00:28:55.387 --> 00:28:56.229
this is like nothing

00:28:56.269 --> 00:28:57.349
showing up blah blah blah

00:28:57.369 --> 00:28:58.631
blah and in the end I got

00:28:58.691 --> 00:29:00.093
pissed off and like said

00:29:00.153 --> 00:29:02.134
something I think in a chat

00:29:02.174 --> 00:29:03.195
that usurper was in or

00:29:03.236 --> 00:29:04.096
maybe even directly to

00:29:04.156 --> 00:29:05.858
usurper and he was just

00:29:05.898 --> 00:29:08.682
like you're using nd mvmes

00:29:09.102 --> 00:29:09.923
no hardware raid

00:29:10.656 --> 00:29:12.337
And I was like, uh, yeah, of course.

00:29:12.438 --> 00:29:13.678
Why have I spent an hour

00:29:14.718 --> 00:29:19.119
fucking around software raid all along?

00:29:20.059 --> 00:29:22.601
And, um, yeah, so that was, um,

00:29:24.481 --> 00:29:25.281
that was embarrassing.

00:29:28.483 --> 00:29:31.684
Uh, but that was too much of a, you're,

00:29:31.765 --> 00:29:32.404
you're,

00:29:32.664 --> 00:29:34.965
you're too much of a terraform guy.

00:29:35.006 --> 00:29:36.467
Now you don't remember how

00:29:36.507 --> 00:29:37.586
to use actual computers.

00:29:38.446 --> 00:29:41.508
Well, I mean, so legitimately,

00:29:41.788 --> 00:29:45.147
like when we did our bare

00:29:45.188 --> 00:29:47.848
metal migration last summer,

00:29:49.328 --> 00:29:50.009
that would have been the

00:29:50.269 --> 00:29:52.170
first time that I had run

00:29:52.230 --> 00:29:56.490
bare metal since 2014, I think.

00:29:58.351 --> 00:29:58.651
Maybe.

00:30:00.310 --> 00:30:02.672
So like everything we've done.

00:30:04.135 --> 00:30:06.076
we'd done previously in, uh,

00:30:06.237 --> 00:30:07.198
in the crypto space,

00:30:07.278 --> 00:30:08.798
we were running before that

00:30:08.838 --> 00:30:11.840
we were running AWS and professionally,

00:30:11.901 --> 00:30:13.401
that's what I would do.

00:30:13.561 --> 00:30:14.362
That's, that's, I mean,

00:30:14.642 --> 00:30:16.462
literally I built a consultancy on,

00:30:16.883 --> 00:30:19.265
on cloud stuff.

00:30:19.345 --> 00:30:19.605
Right.

00:30:19.704 --> 00:30:24.488
So yeah, literally what, you know,

00:30:26.449 --> 00:30:27.450
it does mean that I, um,

00:30:27.849 --> 00:30:29.009
sometimes things now I'm

00:30:29.049 --> 00:30:31.531
just like pure idiot mode, like, um,

00:30:32.647 --> 00:30:35.088
like yeah hardware hardware

00:30:35.128 --> 00:30:36.329
stuff I've chased it out of

00:30:36.369 --> 00:30:37.490
my brain a very long time

00:30:37.550 --> 00:30:40.251
ago but I'm still operating

00:30:40.291 --> 00:30:42.333
at the moment with like the

00:30:42.393 --> 00:30:43.574
confidence of somebody who

00:30:43.634 --> 00:30:44.513
thinks he knows what he's

00:30:44.554 --> 00:30:45.255
doing because I'm like I

00:30:45.734 --> 00:30:46.815
did it loads in the past

00:30:46.914 --> 00:30:47.435
and it's like yeah

00:30:47.615 --> 00:30:49.436
literally 10 years ago and

00:30:49.497 --> 00:30:50.857
so I keep doing these

00:30:50.877 --> 00:30:51.577
things where I'm just like

00:30:53.159 --> 00:30:53.979
this doesn't look right

00:30:54.019 --> 00:30:54.759
it's like yeah because of

00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:56.220
this elementary reason that

00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.280
you've just committed to

00:30:57.340 --> 00:30:59.862
the dustbin of memory it

00:31:00.041 --> 00:31:01.123
doesn't work like that

00:31:02.284 --> 00:31:04.625
But, you know,

00:31:05.846 --> 00:31:06.686
I like that you're living

00:31:06.728 --> 00:31:08.009
your best life with all

00:31:08.048 --> 00:31:09.289
these servers and stuff now.

00:31:09.410 --> 00:31:09.829
It's cool.

00:31:10.611 --> 00:31:11.310
I respect that.

00:31:11.912 --> 00:31:14.753
I think it's good to have new hard drives.

00:31:15.634 --> 00:31:16.915
It's good to have a mix of stuff.

00:31:17.076 --> 00:31:18.036
I mean, there's just things,

00:31:18.135 --> 00:31:20.739
certain applications that is no good for,

00:31:21.499 --> 00:31:22.940
you know, cloud servers.

00:31:22.980 --> 00:31:24.201
Oh, my fucking God.

00:31:25.321 --> 00:31:26.242
Betty, you're the left.

00:31:27.604 --> 00:31:28.183
Yeah.

00:31:32.347 --> 00:31:32.909
Oh, man.

00:31:32.969 --> 00:31:34.510
Get your fucking microphone back.

00:31:35.131 --> 00:31:35.791
That's horrible.

00:31:35.852 --> 00:31:36.833
Are you on your phone?

00:31:38.115 --> 00:31:39.536
No, no.

00:31:39.636 --> 00:31:40.436
It's just the lighting.

00:31:40.457 --> 00:31:42.799
Let's see if I can shoot.

00:31:44.182 --> 00:31:44.382
Oh, yeah.

00:31:44.942 --> 00:31:46.463
He's just walking around his palace.

00:31:46.503 --> 00:31:48.286
For those of you who are

00:31:48.326 --> 00:31:50.426
listening back on podcast players later,

00:31:51.087 --> 00:31:53.750
Ben's sort of doxing his

00:31:53.809 --> 00:31:55.050
palatial residence.

00:31:55.070 --> 00:31:56.612
It's like Saddam Hussein's palace.

00:31:56.652 --> 00:31:59.273
I'm half expecting to see

00:31:59.294 --> 00:32:00.654
like a statue of himself in

00:32:00.674 --> 00:32:01.955
the background at some point.

00:32:03.396 --> 00:32:05.459
Everything's become like a

00:32:05.558 --> 00:32:07.559
washed out yellowy green.

00:32:08.780 --> 00:32:10.563
Somehow the audio has gotten worse.

00:32:11.884 --> 00:32:13.944
I mean, if he didn't look good, Bendy,

00:32:13.964 --> 00:32:14.665
I'd fucking just...

00:32:15.682 --> 00:32:17.124
probably delete you off this call.

00:32:20.766 --> 00:32:22.226
That's a very strange comment, Dal.

00:32:23.446 --> 00:32:24.326
He's a handsome looking dude.

00:32:24.346 --> 00:32:25.667
You weren't so damn handsome.

00:32:25.708 --> 00:32:27.108
I'd can you right now.

00:32:27.229 --> 00:32:29.910
I mean, he's a handsome looking dude.

00:32:29.930 --> 00:32:31.131
It's like people probably

00:32:31.151 --> 00:32:32.790
hung around just to look at him.

00:32:32.810 --> 00:32:35.432
You reckon he's choosing our

00:32:35.452 --> 00:32:36.093
viewer numbers?

00:32:36.993 --> 00:32:37.953
Yeah.

00:32:38.213 --> 00:32:39.674
If he weren't here,

00:32:39.694 --> 00:32:41.135
it would definitely only be two.

00:32:43.107 --> 00:32:44.588
The frequent viewers of the

00:32:44.608 --> 00:32:45.569
podcast will notice that

00:32:45.589 --> 00:32:46.570
the number of amplifiers

00:32:46.631 --> 00:32:48.192
behind me has only been increasing.

00:32:51.513 --> 00:32:52.414
Has Marshall not been

00:32:52.454 --> 00:32:53.635
collecting their boxes again?

00:32:54.616 --> 00:32:55.876
No, thankfully they did.

00:32:56.377 --> 00:32:57.598
It was Fender, but yes,

00:32:57.719 --> 00:32:59.599
they did collect all their boxes.

00:33:01.401 --> 00:33:02.001
But no,

00:33:02.041 --> 00:33:05.003
these are all owned by me in this

00:33:05.064 --> 00:33:05.544
instance.

00:33:07.306 --> 00:33:08.906
I was actually looking at them.

00:33:10.705 --> 00:33:12.086
before the podcast started

00:33:12.365 --> 00:33:13.807
in the in the self view and

00:33:13.826 --> 00:33:16.528
thinking it's a lot of amps

00:33:16.708 --> 00:33:18.209
for a man that no longer

00:33:18.288 --> 00:33:20.469
gigs maybe I do need to do

00:33:20.528 --> 00:33:23.111
something about that like

00:33:23.131 --> 00:33:25.151
do you jam by yourself in

00:33:25.171 --> 00:33:29.173
your house not with the no

00:33:29.573 --> 00:33:31.334
you can't that they're all

00:33:31.413 --> 00:33:33.934
hundred watt amps they're really loud

00:33:34.636 --> 00:33:35.917
maybe you could start like a

00:33:36.198 --> 00:33:38.259
uh like pad the room out

00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:40.882
start a youtube channel uh

00:33:41.142 --> 00:33:42.343
smoke a diary and drink a

00:33:42.383 --> 00:33:44.545
drink at the same time and

00:33:44.625 --> 00:33:45.965
like add some tricks in

00:33:46.006 --> 00:33:48.067
there and then retire on

00:33:48.127 --> 00:33:51.930
them fat you know social

00:33:51.970 --> 00:33:53.852
media funds that monthly

00:33:53.912 --> 00:34:01.077
check so okay I very long time ago i

00:34:01.940 --> 00:34:04.382
earlier era of YouTube I did

00:34:04.461 --> 00:34:07.263
have a YouTube channel for

00:34:07.324 --> 00:34:13.927
guitar stuff and as I don't

00:34:13.947 --> 00:34:15.789
know I'm pretty sure I've

00:34:15.829 --> 00:34:18.550
said before I used to run a

00:34:18.590 --> 00:34:19.911
pedal company that's one of

00:34:19.952 --> 00:34:20.952
the things I did in the past

00:34:22.755 --> 00:34:25.677
just a side thing but the

00:34:26.898 --> 00:34:28.139
raw material cost shot up

00:34:28.219 --> 00:34:29.519
after Brexit and it just

00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:30.880
made it a fucking disaster

00:34:30.940 --> 00:34:32.101
to try and work out how to

00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:33.601
move forward so knocked on

00:34:33.621 --> 00:34:37.364
the head but yeah the

00:34:38.304 --> 00:34:39.465
entire other chapter of

00:34:39.505 --> 00:34:41.427
life I never knew that I'm

00:34:41.507 --> 00:34:43.387
glad that Rama likes my

00:34:43.427 --> 00:34:46.510
house that's I'm taking it

00:34:46.530 --> 00:34:47.690
as a compliment because

00:34:47.771 --> 00:34:50.693
Rama has absolutely terrible

00:34:52.422 --> 00:34:55.844
Why does Bendy look like he

00:34:55.903 --> 00:34:57.985
has your classic English

00:34:58.144 --> 00:35:01.405
idiot in his 1960s house?

00:35:01.646 --> 00:35:02.365
Look like he is.

00:35:02.865 --> 00:35:04.226
Is your house post-war, Ben?

00:35:05.626 --> 00:35:08.427
No, it's pre-war.

00:35:09.168 --> 00:35:10.307
Shows what Rava knows.

00:35:10.327 --> 00:35:12.568
So, yeah.

00:35:12.608 --> 00:35:12.789
Yeah.

00:35:15.666 --> 00:35:17.507
He couldn't be more wrong.

00:35:17.547 --> 00:35:19.349
He's just wrong on the

00:35:19.389 --> 00:35:21.230
specifics of the era of

00:35:21.291 --> 00:35:22.592
manufacture of the house.

00:35:23.952 --> 00:35:24.733
I mean, you know,

00:35:24.773 --> 00:35:25.753
but it's good that he's

00:35:25.793 --> 00:35:27.014
hazarded a guess after

00:35:27.255 --> 00:35:28.356
having a little look at a

00:35:28.396 --> 00:35:29.356
couple of rooms in my house.

00:35:30.378 --> 00:35:33.400
I feel like it's the classic, like,

00:35:34.300 --> 00:35:34.641
you know,

00:35:34.721 --> 00:35:36.222
decor that you've got sort of

00:35:36.342 --> 00:35:37.523
sitting around like that

00:35:38.864 --> 00:35:40.585
bathroom tile in your lounge room.

00:35:42.067 --> 00:35:43.088
Well, I'm not in my lounge.

00:35:43.666 --> 00:35:47.708
I mean, this is the kitchen bathroom.

00:35:48.027 --> 00:35:48.487
We saw,

00:35:48.527 --> 00:35:51.429
we saw the elevator when he's never

00:35:51.449 --> 00:35:52.248
going to come on again.

00:35:52.289 --> 00:35:53.269
He's like, fuck these guys.

00:35:53.409 --> 00:35:54.570
It was in the elevator.

00:35:54.730 --> 00:35:55.891
And then he picked himself up,

00:35:55.931 --> 00:35:57.050
came out of the elevator.

00:35:57.090 --> 00:35:58.070
He's in the basement.

00:35:58.431 --> 00:35:59.132
This is the play.

00:35:59.251 --> 00:36:01.012
This is the playroom slash cinema,

00:36:01.072 --> 00:36:01.432
isn't it?

00:36:02.052 --> 00:36:02.152
Right.

00:36:02.608 --> 00:36:03.588
I'm just wondering whether I

00:36:03.608 --> 00:36:04.610
should go into another room

00:36:04.650 --> 00:36:05.391
and show you another

00:36:05.411 --> 00:36:06.253
different bit of my house.

00:36:06.612 --> 00:36:07.574
There's just a palette of

00:36:07.693 --> 00:36:09.356
dollars and gold bars or

00:36:09.396 --> 00:36:10.458
something in the other

00:36:10.518 --> 00:36:11.398
corner of the room.

00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.021
The Atom Accelerator money

00:36:14.041 --> 00:36:15.224
did have to go somewhere, right?

00:36:16.184 --> 00:36:16.786
Yeah, exactly.

00:36:18.748 --> 00:36:19.969
It looks kind of like an

00:36:20.170 --> 00:36:21.552
ironic English hotel.

00:36:25.677 --> 00:36:26.876
You mean like Fawlty Towers?

00:36:26.896 --> 00:36:28.938
Yeah, just like that.

00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:30.599
I tell you what,

00:36:30.619 --> 00:36:32.579
I used to live by the sea

00:36:32.619 --> 00:36:34.420
in Cornwall and every house

00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.001
that wasn't like recently

00:36:36.061 --> 00:36:39.161
renovated had either A,

00:36:39.302 --> 00:36:41.623
been a guest house until recently or B,

00:36:41.742 --> 00:36:42.822
looked like a guest house.

00:36:43.523 --> 00:36:45.244
And it was like,

00:36:45.264 --> 00:36:47.625
I feel like I remember like

00:36:47.784 --> 00:36:48.806
every friend's house.

00:36:49.226 --> 00:36:50.786
I was quite small going to

00:36:50.806 --> 00:36:51.827
theirs after school.

00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:54.442
And then literally every

00:36:54.501 --> 00:36:56.163
single family was doing the same thing,

00:36:56.222 --> 00:36:57.083
which was they bought a

00:36:57.123 --> 00:36:58.264
house that used to be a

00:36:58.364 --> 00:36:59.525
guest house and they were

00:36:59.545 --> 00:37:00.626
having to strip the walls

00:37:00.766 --> 00:37:02.427
of the same fucking wallpaper.

00:37:03.867 --> 00:37:08.512
My parents when I was about nine, ten,

00:37:08.692 --> 00:37:10.333
we moved house and it was

00:37:10.432 --> 00:37:14.175
kind of seaside little town

00:37:14.896 --> 00:37:17.898
and we'd probably been in

00:37:17.918 --> 00:37:19.039
the house about a month and

00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:20.420
just randomly some people

00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:22.181
rang the doorbell and went,

00:37:22.708 --> 00:37:23.367
can we stay here?

00:37:24.228 --> 00:37:25.969
And my dad just was like, no.

00:37:25.989 --> 00:37:30.632
And then they were like,

00:37:30.652 --> 00:37:32.032
it looks like a guest house.

00:37:32.672 --> 00:37:34.132
And it was, it literally,

00:37:34.333 --> 00:37:35.293
it turned out that it was

00:37:35.373 --> 00:37:37.135
listed as a B&B somewhere.

00:37:37.934 --> 00:37:38.936
And like they,

00:37:39.596 --> 00:37:41.556
and I would say over the next three years,

00:37:41.577 --> 00:37:43.157
a series of like people

00:37:43.217 --> 00:37:45.498
came to the door asking to stay.

00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:49.099
We would then discover where

00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:50.081
they had found us.

00:37:50.753 --> 00:37:52.775
and remove the listing from that place,

00:37:53.195 --> 00:37:54.135
because there wasn't an

00:37:54.255 --> 00:37:55.755
individual place to remove it from.

00:37:55.815 --> 00:37:58.635
So it was like, oh, we got it from here,

00:37:59.097 --> 00:38:00.356
or the library had it,

00:38:00.976 --> 00:38:02.697
or there's a little note on

00:38:02.717 --> 00:38:03.958
a board somewhere.

00:38:04.538 --> 00:38:05.358
And literally,

00:38:05.398 --> 00:38:06.719
I think it took three years

00:38:06.838 --> 00:38:08.900
to- Do you have a neighbor

00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:10.679
that didn't like you very much?

00:38:10.699 --> 00:38:14.440
Because this seems like a long payoff.

00:38:15.961 --> 00:38:18.003
My neighbor was, in fact,

00:38:18.342 --> 00:38:19.282
James Bond's grandmother.

00:38:21.286 --> 00:38:23.166
Daniel Craig as James Bond

00:38:23.206 --> 00:38:24.307
rather than any of the others.

00:38:24.327 --> 00:38:24.728
Oh, right.

00:38:24.748 --> 00:38:25.327
I was going to say,

00:38:25.407 --> 00:38:26.728
surely Ian Fleming's

00:38:26.768 --> 00:38:28.228
grandmother would have been long dead.

00:38:29.730 --> 00:38:33.331
No, but James Bond, James Bond's the actor,

00:38:33.371 --> 00:38:34.172
not the writer, right?

00:38:34.192 --> 00:38:34.992
Oh, yeah, that's true.

00:38:35.532 --> 00:38:35.931
Well, I mean,

00:38:35.952 --> 00:38:37.432
James Bond's the pseudonym of

00:38:37.492 --> 00:38:41.280
the person that also takes the 007...

00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:44.221
mantle potentially whatever

00:38:44.240 --> 00:38:46.501
yeah episodes of the

00:38:46.541 --> 00:38:48.161
podcast you have to check

00:38:48.202 --> 00:38:50.583
back folks um or just look

00:38:50.603 --> 00:38:54.123
on youtube also that I do

00:38:54.164 --> 00:38:55.324
remember there was a period

00:38:55.344 --> 00:38:56.184
of time I believe he was

00:38:56.445 --> 00:38:58.045
dating kate moss and there

00:38:58.065 --> 00:38:58.885
was a period of time where

00:38:58.925 --> 00:39:01.065
his um granny got a bit

00:39:01.106 --> 00:39:02.246
worried because kate moss

00:39:02.286 --> 00:39:03.927
had a reputation for taking

00:39:03.947 --> 00:39:05.288
a lot of drugs she had a

00:39:05.327 --> 00:39:07.768
reputation hey so I started

00:39:07.809 --> 00:39:09.068
re-watching sharp recently

00:39:10.731 --> 00:39:12.052
There's a lot of things about that.

00:39:12.072 --> 00:39:16.996
But anyway, in the second episode, I think,

00:39:17.516 --> 00:39:18.577
whichever one corresponds

00:39:18.597 --> 00:39:20.798
to the first original book, Sharps Eagle,

00:39:21.940 --> 00:39:23.981
Daniel Craig is like a bit part.

00:39:24.802 --> 00:39:26.422
He plays one of the random lieutenants.

00:39:26.523 --> 00:39:26.882
And you're like,

00:39:27.523 --> 00:39:28.923
is that Daniel Craig with

00:39:28.963 --> 00:39:30.785
like a mop of hair like 20,

00:39:30.785 --> 00:39:32.226
30 years ago or whatever?

00:39:33.067 --> 00:39:34.188
And it's really weird.

00:39:34.387 --> 00:39:35.648
He looks exactly the same,

00:39:35.708 --> 00:39:39.371
except he must have been like, yeah,

00:39:39.391 --> 00:39:40.351
like really quite young.

00:39:41.356 --> 00:39:41.916
comparatively.

00:39:43.057 --> 00:39:44.518
The first thing I remember

00:39:44.838 --> 00:39:48.041
watching him in was Road to Perdition.

00:39:52.103 --> 00:39:53.224
Who is he in Road to Perdition?

00:39:54.143 --> 00:39:54.304
Well,

00:39:54.324 --> 00:39:56.005
I hope he was because it's quite a

00:39:56.306 --> 00:39:58.067
vivid memory I have and now

00:39:59.007 --> 00:39:59.887
I'm thinking I'm wrong

00:39:59.947 --> 00:40:01.148
because you tend to know

00:40:01.188 --> 00:40:01.949
everything about films.

00:40:02.588 --> 00:40:04.230
He's not the son, is he?

00:40:04.250 --> 00:40:04.289
No.

00:40:07.012 --> 00:40:07.251
No.

00:40:10.242 --> 00:40:10.762
Okay, well,

00:40:11.083 --> 00:40:12.302
I'm going to need a citation on

00:40:12.322 --> 00:40:13.523
that because I remember him

00:40:13.583 --> 00:40:14.804
being in Road to Perdition,

00:40:15.164 --> 00:40:16.246
but I would take it.

00:40:16.505 --> 00:40:17.327
I could believe it.

00:40:18.206 --> 00:40:19.367
He is in Road to Perdition.

00:40:19.427 --> 00:40:20.768
He's Connor Rooney,

00:40:22.130 --> 00:40:23.530
and Paul Newman is John Rooney.

00:40:24.251 --> 00:40:25.311
Yeah, he is the son then.

00:40:30.394 --> 00:40:33.396
That is legitimately below my mind.

00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:35.601
I'm now I have to go

00:40:35.641 --> 00:40:37.041
re-watch for edition which

00:40:37.121 --> 00:40:38.362
is quite a good quite a

00:40:38.382 --> 00:40:39.862
good film actually so yeah

00:40:40.543 --> 00:40:41.523
I hope this makes up for

00:40:41.543 --> 00:40:43.885
the terrible audio decor

00:40:44.744 --> 00:40:45.784
and everything else other

00:40:45.804 --> 00:40:46.965
than that let's just do

00:40:46.985 --> 00:40:48.465
some work he's like I don't

00:40:48.485 --> 00:40:50.086
care I've chewed that up

00:40:51.086 --> 00:40:52.047
these are more other films

00:40:52.088 --> 00:40:53.887
I'm not going to watch it's

00:40:53.927 --> 00:40:54.949
like there's just another

00:40:54.969 --> 00:40:56.108
what is that film it's

00:40:56.148 --> 00:40:58.269
probably some dour british

00:40:58.349 --> 00:40:59.791
thing about country houses

00:40:59.851 --> 00:41:02.731
no it's about gangsters now you know

00:41:04.300 --> 00:41:05.041
Yeah, you lost me.

00:41:05.882 --> 00:41:07.742
Yeah, you see.

00:41:08.123 --> 00:41:10.003
You watched Slapshot, didn't you?

00:41:10.905 --> 00:41:11.164
I did.

00:41:11.184 --> 00:41:12.885
That poor Newman, innit?

00:41:15.268 --> 00:41:16.128
Oh, poor Newman.

00:41:16.148 --> 00:41:17.329
Yeah, I know.

00:41:23.353 --> 00:41:26.434
Okay, so.

00:41:27.875 --> 00:41:29.835
I was looking at some RPC

00:41:29.876 --> 00:41:31.137
stats and saw some spikes

00:41:31.317 --> 00:41:32.898
and some bad return codes,

00:41:32.938 --> 00:41:33.918
so I was just fixing them.

00:41:36.007 --> 00:41:38.548
how fixing them how by

00:41:38.628 --> 00:41:40.050
fixing the problem on the

00:41:40.070 --> 00:41:43.891
server well like you know

00:41:44.010 --> 00:41:45.492
if you're returning a 404

00:41:45.492 --> 00:41:46.132
you've probably got a

00:41:46.552 --> 00:41:48.452
problem so go have a look

00:41:48.492 --> 00:41:50.594
at it but no this was just

00:41:50.813 --> 00:41:54.375
uh this one was not so much

00:41:54.434 --> 00:41:56.356
problem it was 429 versus

00:41:56.376 --> 00:41:57.456
someone trying to spam my

00:41:57.476 --> 00:41:58.456
server I was just making

00:41:58.516 --> 00:41:59.197
sure that they weren't

00:41:59.237 --> 00:42:01.237
hitting endpoints which are

00:42:01.297 --> 00:42:02.677
detrimental to performance

00:42:03.077 --> 00:42:04.838
so checking some logs

00:42:06.166 --> 00:42:07.547
So you were doing busy work.

00:42:07.728 --> 00:42:08.108
Gotcha.

00:42:08.268 --> 00:42:08.789
Okay, cool.

00:42:09.028 --> 00:42:09.409
Excellent.

00:42:10.110 --> 00:42:11.931
Yeah.

00:42:12.050 --> 00:42:12.831
I feel like this is like

00:42:12.871 --> 00:42:14.233
that scene in the social networks.

00:42:14.273 --> 00:42:16.574
Like, do I have your full attention,

00:42:17.135 --> 00:42:17.715
Mr. Null?

00:42:17.755 --> 00:42:19.336
Do you feel like I deserve

00:42:19.516 --> 00:42:20.438
your full attention?

00:42:20.458 --> 00:42:21.998
You've been partially

00:42:22.418 --> 00:42:24.000
engaging my attention for

00:42:24.019 --> 00:42:25.440
the last 20 minutes.

00:42:27.663 --> 00:42:27.862
Okay.

00:42:27.882 --> 00:42:28.222
Well,

00:42:28.302 --> 00:42:31.326
let's just... We've got to get our

00:42:31.365 --> 00:42:32.786
money's worth out of Rama's news items.

00:42:32.806 --> 00:42:32.847
So...

00:42:35.155 --> 00:42:35.815
Speaking of which,

00:42:35.875 --> 00:42:36.896
I actually went to go and

00:42:36.956 --> 00:42:40.456
raise the payment item for Rama today,

00:42:40.715 --> 00:42:41.717
and it turns out that we

00:42:41.737 --> 00:42:42.516
can't pay him again.

00:42:42.536 --> 00:42:44.016
I don't know what it is with Dowdown,

00:42:44.036 --> 00:42:45.217
but it keeps seeming to

00:42:45.257 --> 00:42:46.217
tell us that we're broke.

00:42:46.818 --> 00:42:47.838
So there's obviously a

00:42:47.898 --> 00:42:49.039
problem with that platform.

00:42:49.358 --> 00:42:50.298
We have dollar reduce,

00:42:50.398 --> 00:42:51.259
unless we've been rugged.

00:42:53.300 --> 00:42:53.719
By whom?

00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:56.619
Indeed, that's the question.

00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.601
How many of you need to vote

00:42:59.621 --> 00:43:00.380
to take money out?

00:43:04.052 --> 00:43:05.474
Or four?

00:43:05.894 --> 00:43:06.155
Three?

00:43:06.275 --> 00:43:06.976
No, three or four.

00:43:07.876 --> 00:43:08.396
Three or four.

00:43:09.318 --> 00:43:10.579
Would either one of you have

00:43:10.619 --> 00:43:11.820
accidentally voted and the

00:43:11.860 --> 00:43:12.762
other lads are just having

00:43:12.802 --> 00:43:13.782
a good time at East Denver

00:43:13.842 --> 00:43:15.043
on the Dow's money?

00:43:15.885 --> 00:43:16.125
On the $300?

00:43:16.164 --> 00:43:17.146
I think from memory,

00:43:17.166 --> 00:43:20.449
that's like one night out

00:43:20.489 --> 00:43:21.309
in Denver for four people.

00:43:29.972 --> 00:43:32.233
so I think it's like I don't

00:43:32.253 --> 00:43:33.655
know if it's their rpcs

00:43:33.675 --> 00:43:35.016
that they're using for osmo

00:43:35.137 --> 00:43:37.119
or whatever but osmosis

00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:38.219
seems to shit the bed I

00:43:38.260 --> 00:43:39.501
need to go get a charger

00:43:39.681 --> 00:43:41.262
because my phone is dying

00:43:41.822 --> 00:43:45.326
miserably the absolute

00:43:45.385 --> 00:43:48.268
state of this um so I'm

00:43:48.289 --> 00:43:50.110
just gonna I'm gonna go to

00:43:50.150 --> 00:43:52.311
rama's next news item how

00:43:52.351 --> 00:43:53.713
about that bitcoin price

00:43:53.914 --> 00:43:55.295
those boomers sure do have

00:43:55.335 --> 00:43:56.376
a lot of money to invest

00:43:58.775 --> 00:43:58.934
Now,

00:43:59.014 --> 00:44:01.135
how do we get them to buy our bags and

00:44:01.175 --> 00:44:02.255
not fucking sailors?

00:44:04.496 --> 00:44:05.277
Well, they can't buy it.

00:44:05.336 --> 00:44:06.317
They can't buy his bags.

00:44:06.336 --> 00:44:07.036
He's never selling.

00:44:08.396 --> 00:44:08.556
Yeah.

00:44:08.597 --> 00:44:09.378
Well, also,

00:44:09.538 --> 00:44:11.338
I'm assuming that Newt is not

00:44:11.418 --> 00:44:13.798
part of a ETF that is

00:44:13.858 --> 00:44:17.920
listed by whoever is currently.

00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:18.920
Do you know what?

00:44:18.940 --> 00:44:22.501
It shows just how BlackRock Fidelity.

00:44:23.420 --> 00:44:24.960
Basically, as far as I understand,

00:44:28.014 --> 00:44:29.976
They put their application

00:44:30.275 --> 00:44:31.576
for the new ETF in.

00:44:33.456 --> 00:44:35.016
So it's just a matter of time,

00:44:35.056 --> 00:44:35.556
to be honest.

00:44:36.938 --> 00:44:38.038
As far as I understand,

00:44:38.057 --> 00:44:39.239
it's just a race between

00:44:39.278 --> 00:44:41.338
that and the ETH one as to

00:44:41.378 --> 00:44:41.980
which comes first.

00:44:43.179 --> 00:44:43.539
Yeah.

00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.001
So I think the one thing I

00:44:46.081 --> 00:44:47.121
do know a little bit about

00:44:47.141 --> 00:44:48.362
is some of the stuff in the

00:44:48.442 --> 00:44:51.722
UK with the on-chain tokenization,

00:44:51.922 --> 00:44:53.143
which is like tokenization

00:44:53.583 --> 00:44:54.884
of funds themselves.

00:44:56.650 --> 00:44:59.514
buying a tokenized fund with

00:44:59.554 --> 00:45:04.320
say usdc and that that is

00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:05.081
interesting because I guess

00:45:05.101 --> 00:45:06.001
it just shows the amount of

00:45:06.101 --> 00:45:07.623
usdc rattling around I

00:45:07.664 --> 00:45:08.664
suppose which is relevant

00:45:08.704 --> 00:45:11.068
to noble sort of right

00:45:11.708 --> 00:45:12.590
which is that like if these

00:45:12.670 --> 00:45:15.393
big um financial

00:45:17.184 --> 00:45:18.304
FinTech companies, whatever,

00:45:18.324 --> 00:45:20.065
are seeing enough USDC

00:45:20.146 --> 00:45:21.786
rattling around where

00:45:21.806 --> 00:45:22.967
they're looking at people,

00:45:23.146 --> 00:45:24.047
presumably inter

00:45:24.086 --> 00:45:26.047
institutional investors saying, ah, look,

00:45:26.148 --> 00:45:26.907
we happen to know that

00:45:26.927 --> 00:45:27.967
they've got X amount of

00:45:28.088 --> 00:45:29.449
USDC rattling around in an

00:45:29.509 --> 00:45:30.449
account in a wallet.

00:45:31.528 --> 00:45:31.668
Um,

00:45:33.010 --> 00:45:35.010
and we'd rather sell them something to

00:45:35.050 --> 00:45:36.329
do with that money while

00:45:36.349 --> 00:45:37.971
they're not employing it elsewhere.

00:45:40.081 --> 00:45:40.300
I mean,

00:45:40.581 --> 00:45:42.063
we all know there's a lot of money

00:45:42.103 --> 00:45:43.443
rattling around in various corners,

00:45:43.503 --> 00:45:44.985
but I think that's an

00:45:45.025 --> 00:45:45.806
interesting road to

00:45:45.847 --> 00:45:50.211
adoption in that sense, to be like,

00:45:51.572 --> 00:45:54.775
maybe the actual sell is

00:45:54.795 --> 00:45:55.556
slightly different from

00:45:55.597 --> 00:45:56.739
what I've understood it to be, but

00:45:57.659 --> 00:45:59.340
You know, if you've got USDC lying around,

00:45:59.380 --> 00:46:00.121
not doing anything,

00:46:00.161 --> 00:46:00.902
then you're essentially

00:46:00.963 --> 00:46:02.284
selling somebody a savings account,

00:46:02.344 --> 00:46:05.108
but as a tokenized fund, um,

00:46:05.628 --> 00:46:06.389
it's just like another

00:46:06.449 --> 00:46:07.489
interesting example where

00:46:07.510 --> 00:46:08.612
you're just like, well, okay,

00:46:08.632 --> 00:46:09.371
I guess if they're not

00:46:09.411 --> 00:46:10.813
being used for payments, then whatever,

00:46:10.853 --> 00:46:11.054
man.

00:46:12.195 --> 00:46:12.356
Um,

00:46:13.978 --> 00:46:16.079
but I guess the one bit that is true is

00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:17.041
like the stable coins kind

00:46:17.061 --> 00:46:18.503
of driving the adoption, which.

00:46:20.460 --> 00:46:21.420
And do you know what?

00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:22.420
I think that is actually a

00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.420
really good story for Cosmos.

00:46:25.780 --> 00:46:26.021
I mean,

00:46:26.380 --> 00:46:27.661
within the limited context of

00:46:28.041 --> 00:46:30.862
Cosmos and UK and fun tokenization.

00:46:31.342 --> 00:46:33.282
But the fact that Neutron

00:46:33.322 --> 00:46:38.862
exists in space where... So... Sorry.

00:46:39.583 --> 00:46:40.202
Yeah.

00:46:40.262 --> 00:46:40.623
Noble.

00:46:41.164 --> 00:46:42.923
But you know what I mean?

00:46:43.804 --> 00:46:45.664
There's a native plus all

00:46:45.684 --> 00:46:47.945
the bridged versions in the Cosmos.

00:46:48.505 --> 00:46:49.065
But crucially...

00:46:50.927 --> 00:46:52.929
that we live in a world here

00:46:53.009 --> 00:46:55.210
where there's a reasonable

00:46:55.250 --> 00:46:56.130
level of technical

00:46:56.190 --> 00:46:57.411
sophistication is just a

00:46:57.451 --> 00:47:00.271
given because like we are

00:47:00.331 --> 00:47:01.311
actually all quite early

00:47:01.711 --> 00:47:02.793
now whether or not cosmos

00:47:02.893 --> 00:47:04.632
is technology is going to

00:47:04.672 --> 00:47:06.333
do the mile do the distance

00:47:06.393 --> 00:47:09.034
or not don't know uh you

00:47:09.054 --> 00:47:11.815
know my my suspicion is

00:47:11.876 --> 00:47:12.815
probably still early on

00:47:12.856 --> 00:47:13.797
that as well and something

00:47:13.836 --> 00:47:14.737
else will come along that's

00:47:15.557 --> 00:47:16.277
better thoughts out

00:47:17.512 --> 00:47:17.972
IBC.

00:47:18.192 --> 00:47:18.452
Great.

00:47:18.512 --> 00:47:18.793
Love it.

00:47:19.112 --> 00:47:19.813
Love that approach.

00:47:19.913 --> 00:47:23.454
But you know, anyway, not financial advice,

00:47:23.835 --> 00:47:25.094
but the one thing that is

00:47:25.175 --> 00:47:27.076
really interesting obviously is that,

00:47:27.376 --> 00:47:27.635
you know,

00:47:27.677 --> 00:47:29.237
if you look at what institutions and,

00:47:29.817 --> 00:47:30.757
and the kind of innovators

00:47:30.797 --> 00:47:32.619
in that space and trad fire doing,

00:47:32.878 --> 00:47:34.338
they're still on ETH, you know?

00:47:34.358 --> 00:47:37.380
Um, and when you look at that and you go,

00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:37.661
okay,

00:47:38.742 --> 00:47:39.282
They're on ETH,

00:47:39.322 --> 00:47:41.284
and they're innovating on top of USDC.

00:47:41.443 --> 00:47:42.585
None of these things are surprising,

00:47:42.625 --> 00:47:43.764
right?

00:47:43.925 --> 00:47:45.266
Big caveat there.

00:47:45.565 --> 00:47:46.487
I sound surprised.

00:47:47.666 --> 00:47:49.268
No, I'm obviously not.

00:47:49.307 --> 00:47:52.248
But selling the idea that

00:47:52.268 --> 00:47:53.269
they could find a couple of

00:47:53.329 --> 00:47:55.371
Go developers by, you know,

00:47:56.784 --> 00:47:58.264
Grabbing those guys off of

00:47:59.105 --> 00:48:00.346
any one of the big tech

00:48:00.385 --> 00:48:01.806
companies that have a base

00:48:01.847 --> 00:48:02.827
in the south of England.

00:48:02.907 --> 00:48:03.128
Right.

00:48:03.327 --> 00:48:04.748
And saying, hey,

00:48:04.768 --> 00:48:06.168
can you slap on a shirt and

00:48:06.188 --> 00:48:07.309
tie and come to London

00:48:07.349 --> 00:48:08.309
every day if we double your

00:48:08.329 --> 00:48:11.992
salary is probably an easier ask than,

00:48:12.012 --> 00:48:12.072
hey,

00:48:14.233 --> 00:48:17.396
can I find a bunch of smart contract

00:48:17.476 --> 00:48:18.936
engineers that are actually

00:48:18.976 --> 00:48:19.777
not going to cock it up?

00:48:20.952 --> 00:48:21.733
to do the same thing.

00:48:21.954 --> 00:48:22.893
There's got to be more Go

00:48:22.974 --> 00:48:25.454
engineers in London than

00:48:25.476 --> 00:48:27.396
they have smart contract engineers.

00:48:27.936 --> 00:48:29.237
And in exchange for that,

00:48:29.257 --> 00:48:30.858
if you built a Cosmos app chain,

00:48:31.099 --> 00:48:32.559
rather than... Much as I

00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:34.800
prefer the Cosmos story

00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:36.001
than the app chain story,

00:48:39.143 --> 00:48:41.844
the app chain story is surely, to my mind,

00:48:41.885 --> 00:48:44.306
superior to the story of

00:48:44.365 --> 00:48:45.106
just a bunch of smart

00:48:45.126 --> 00:48:46.387
contracts running on Ethereum.

00:48:47.507 --> 00:48:48.748
So I don't know.

00:48:48.807 --> 00:48:49.489
I think that's quite...

00:48:50.389 --> 00:48:51.431
I think that would be quite

00:48:51.490 --> 00:48:52.550
bullish for cosmos.

00:48:52.831 --> 00:48:53.911
If anybody,

00:48:55.293 --> 00:48:58.094
if anybody was there to be like, Hey,

00:48:58.134 --> 00:48:58.954
have you considered like

00:48:59.295 --> 00:49:00.496
not using Ethereum,

00:49:00.735 --> 00:49:02.757
but using USDC elsewhere?

00:49:02.777 --> 00:49:03.737
Yeah.

00:49:04.057 --> 00:49:04.237
Well,

00:49:04.577 --> 00:49:06.938
I know that Elena has those kinds of

00:49:06.978 --> 00:49:11.242
conversations to, because I'm like,

00:49:11.322 --> 00:49:11.581
this is,

00:49:11.902 --> 00:49:14.963
I don't think this is any sort of alpha,

00:49:14.983 --> 00:49:16.704
particularly like noble is

00:49:16.844 --> 00:49:18.445
not just there to do USDC.

00:49:18.925 --> 00:49:20.067
It's going to do lots of other stuff.

00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:22.400
Um, and it, that's,

00:49:22.601 --> 00:49:23.681
that's the whole purpose of it.

00:49:23.762 --> 00:49:24.663
And the idea is like,

00:49:24.722 --> 00:49:26.344
it's just there to do, you know,

00:49:26.384 --> 00:49:28.065
tokenized representation of stuff,

00:49:29.365 --> 00:49:30.445
whether that's, you know,

00:49:30.525 --> 00:49:33.989
and then that certainly

00:49:34.028 --> 00:49:36.070
that's where they think there's a space.

00:49:36.130 --> 00:49:36.710
I mean, again,

00:49:36.730 --> 00:49:37.831
then there's questions of like,

00:49:38.110 --> 00:49:39.731
will they have their own token?

00:49:40.572 --> 00:49:42.014
Polkachu in turn will tell

00:49:42.054 --> 00:49:43.134
you that's the reason why

00:49:43.173 --> 00:49:44.054
they probably will stay as

00:49:44.094 --> 00:49:45.315
proof of authority rather

00:49:45.335 --> 00:49:46.135
than going into proof of

00:49:46.155 --> 00:49:47.157
stake or whatever.

00:49:47.177 --> 00:49:48.757
There's lots of stuff that

00:49:48.818 --> 00:49:50.199
then comes from it in terms of like,

00:49:51.072 --> 00:49:52.813
How do they navigate any

00:49:53.572 --> 00:49:55.193
regulatory kind of stuff?

00:49:55.434 --> 00:49:57.554
And how do you keep the

00:49:57.594 --> 00:49:58.134
different kind of

00:49:58.193 --> 00:49:59.894
effectively your different clients happy?

00:49:59.954 --> 00:50:00.655
Because you would have

00:50:01.396 --> 00:50:03.076
Circle and whoever else, right?

00:50:03.315 --> 00:50:04.016
And they would be the kind

00:50:04.036 --> 00:50:04.936
of clients that would want

00:50:04.956 --> 00:50:07.257
you to have your app chain

00:50:07.297 --> 00:50:08.057
doing what it does.

00:50:08.597 --> 00:50:09.277
But then, you know,

00:50:09.297 --> 00:50:11.878
the fact that you have IBC

00:50:11.898 --> 00:50:12.478
and you're just able to

00:50:12.498 --> 00:50:13.739
connect into all these

00:50:13.780 --> 00:50:14.739
things that might use it

00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:17.221
sort of seamlessly, as it were,

00:50:17.240 --> 00:50:19.322
is really appealing.

00:50:19.461 --> 00:50:19.961
And I think that

00:50:21.530 --> 00:50:25.273
I don't know, like from my point of view,

00:50:25.313 --> 00:50:27.693
I don't care what language

00:50:27.853 --> 00:50:29.554
the tech is in or what.

00:50:30.054 --> 00:50:31.454
I think the main thing is

00:50:31.494 --> 00:50:32.976
that stuff gets to play with each other,

00:50:33.735 --> 00:50:34.996
but that you can build your

00:50:35.137 --> 00:50:36.878
own to the spec that you

00:50:36.938 --> 00:50:39.059
want so that yours is fit

00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:40.539
for the purpose you're building it for.

00:50:41.500 --> 00:50:42.860
And then people can go and

00:50:42.900 --> 00:50:44.840
do whatever they want with

00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:46.902
that stuff and don't have

00:50:46.922 --> 00:50:47.782
to all have the same

00:50:47.822 --> 00:50:48.663
security assumptions.

00:50:49.445 --> 00:50:50.806
And that all makes total sense to me.

00:50:50.925 --> 00:50:51.485
And it's like,

00:50:52.086 --> 00:50:53.307
so Cosmos chains don't need

00:50:53.327 --> 00:50:54.929
to be using the Cosmos SDK.

00:50:54.969 --> 00:50:57.170
They don't need to be, you know,

00:50:58.630 --> 00:50:59.992
in any particular language

00:51:00.012 --> 00:51:00.893
and they can be smart

00:51:00.913 --> 00:51:01.873
contract chains or they can

00:51:01.893 --> 00:51:03.815
be stupid contract chains, whatever.

00:51:04.215 --> 00:51:05.096
Like it doesn't matter.

00:51:05.476 --> 00:51:08.117
It's like the fact that the

00:51:08.277 --> 00:51:09.257
reason that I always

00:51:09.277 --> 00:51:11.059
thought Cosmos made sense

00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:12.940
was someone wants to build

00:51:12.981 --> 00:51:14.862
a thing and they want that

00:51:14.882 --> 00:51:16.023
thing to work with other stuff.

00:51:17.123 --> 00:51:18.724
Like at a very fundamental level,

00:51:19.918 --> 00:51:21.197
that basically is how the

00:51:21.278 --> 00:51:22.778
real world works why

00:51:22.858 --> 00:51:23.940
wouldn't you want your

00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:25.800
digital world to work in

00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:28.601
that way there's a lot like

00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:29.581
everything else I think is

00:51:29.621 --> 00:51:30.621
kind of over complication

00:51:30.661 --> 00:51:31.282
of it and it's because

00:51:31.302 --> 00:51:32.603
we're close to it and in

00:51:32.623 --> 00:51:34.202
the detail but when you

00:51:34.222 --> 00:51:34.943
were talking about being

00:51:35.023 --> 00:51:36.483
early like my thing is none

00:51:36.503 --> 00:51:38.385
of it's going to last it's

00:51:38.585 --> 00:51:40.686
all wrong it's all going to

00:51:40.746 --> 00:51:42.326
fail but some of it's going

00:51:42.365 --> 00:51:43.467
to leave the footprints

00:51:43.507 --> 00:51:44.487
behind that lead to the

00:51:44.527 --> 00:51:46.907
stuff that does um and I was

00:51:48.585 --> 00:51:49.306
In typical fashion,

00:51:49.327 --> 00:51:50.887
I was shitting on Juno about, you know,

00:51:51.527 --> 00:51:53.168
it's pointless, just turn it off.

00:51:53.789 --> 00:51:56.871
But Dow-Dow is probably

00:51:57.012 --> 00:51:58.233
worth the entirety of the

00:51:58.273 --> 00:51:59.994
Juno experiment because it

00:52:00.074 --> 00:52:01.135
moved things forwards.

00:52:01.335 --> 00:52:03.036
It is orders of magnitude

00:52:03.155 --> 00:52:05.097
better than the governance module.

00:52:06.777 --> 00:52:08.159
Whether Dow-Dow is the final

00:52:08.219 --> 00:52:09.480
form or not is almost

00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:10.581
irrelevant because it's the

00:52:10.661 --> 00:52:12.181
best form that we currently have.

00:52:12.202 --> 00:52:13.563
And I think that

00:52:14.744 --> 00:52:16.025
That's hard as an investment

00:52:16.085 --> 00:52:16.905
thesis because you've just

00:52:16.925 --> 00:52:17.626
got to accept that most

00:52:17.646 --> 00:52:18.527
stuff isn't going to work

00:52:18.748 --> 00:52:19.487
and you just have to cash

00:52:19.547 --> 00:52:20.509
out at the right kind of moments.

00:52:20.969 --> 00:52:22.391
But in terms of where it's going,

00:52:22.431 --> 00:52:23.152
I think it's right.

00:52:24.353 --> 00:52:24.632
Well,

00:52:24.773 --> 00:52:27.556
it's back to the idea that what's

00:52:27.596 --> 00:52:28.255
happening here is

00:52:28.356 --> 00:52:29.838
crowdfunding of software

00:52:30.818 --> 00:52:32.519
when it's speculation, right?

00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:34.422
Because if you work for startups,

00:52:34.942 --> 00:52:36.003
the majority of your career...

00:52:37.545 --> 00:52:39.148
I know what that model looks like,

00:52:39.728 --> 00:52:39.967
you know,

00:52:40.047 --> 00:52:42.170
even within the 90% of failures and yada,

00:52:42.190 --> 00:52:42.690
yada, yada.

00:52:42.791 --> 00:52:44.893
And the way this works is not that.

00:52:45.012 --> 00:52:48.115
And people kidding themselves, you know,

00:52:48.436 --> 00:52:50.237
and that includes validators too.

00:52:50.358 --> 00:52:50.878
We're the biggest

00:52:50.898 --> 00:52:52.740
degenerates of all we've said it before.

00:52:53.742 --> 00:52:53.822
Um,

00:52:54.605 --> 00:52:55.224
But to your point,

00:52:55.284 --> 00:52:57.445
I think having reflected

00:52:57.545 --> 00:52:59.106
over on it recently,

00:52:59.126 --> 00:53:00.867
I think you said it on a different part.

00:53:00.927 --> 00:53:02.507
I think one of the ones where we were,

00:53:02.568 --> 00:53:04.108
we were out, you said that,

00:53:04.427 --> 00:53:06.389
that piece about doubt out before.

00:53:07.208 --> 00:53:08.789
And, and I was thinking, yeah,

00:53:08.969 --> 00:53:09.269
you know what?

00:53:09.289 --> 00:53:11.811
I think, uh, I think you're right.

00:53:11.851 --> 00:53:13.092
And I think you actually

00:53:13.251 --> 00:53:15.913
might be even more right

00:53:15.952 --> 00:53:16.512
than you realize.

00:53:16.672 --> 00:53:18.373
I would go as far as say,

00:53:18.393 --> 00:53:21.454
I think the entire of the

00:53:21.534 --> 00:53:22.875
cosmos experiment is

00:53:24.907 --> 00:53:26.728
is nearly worth it for dowd

00:53:26.807 --> 00:53:28.309
out alone and that's for

00:53:28.349 --> 00:53:29.528
like one or two interesting

00:53:29.548 --> 00:53:30.530
reasons which I don't think

00:53:31.110 --> 00:53:32.050
so there's the obvious

00:53:32.090 --> 00:53:33.110
reasons right and I and

00:53:33.190 --> 00:53:34.130
you've also talked about

00:53:34.170 --> 00:53:35.371
those on a different

00:53:35.391 --> 00:53:36.791
episode of this podcast um

00:53:37.713 --> 00:53:38.612
but I think there's like

00:53:38.713 --> 00:53:39.733
one for me which is like

00:53:39.753 --> 00:53:41.054
you know I've spent so the

00:53:41.094 --> 00:53:41.954
moment I'm writing um

00:53:43.750 --> 00:53:44.871
sort of a continuation

00:53:44.971 --> 00:53:45.871
thesis it's like the

00:53:45.931 --> 00:53:47.431
beginning of um it's like

00:53:47.472 --> 00:53:48.251
the beginning of what will

00:53:48.271 --> 00:53:50.233
be my phd thesis right so

00:53:50.273 --> 00:53:51.974
it's kind of the the intro

00:53:51.994 --> 00:53:53.195
paper if you like position

00:53:53.815 --> 00:53:54.856
it's a position paper but

00:53:54.896 --> 00:53:57.936
it's a very chunky position

00:53:57.956 --> 00:53:58.898
paper it's like a fucking

00:53:58.918 --> 00:54:00.677
capybara right they asked

00:54:00.697 --> 00:54:02.418
me for a guinea pig that

00:54:02.438 --> 00:54:03.440
would be a position paper

00:54:03.500 --> 00:54:04.420
and it's instead become

00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:05.800
this big chonking rodent

00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.480
But the thing that has

00:54:09.539 --> 00:54:10.641
really kind of come out of

00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:13.983
doing really specific research, privacy,

00:54:14.063 --> 00:54:14.382
obviously,

00:54:14.422 --> 00:54:15.623
and identity are the two things

00:54:15.664 --> 00:54:16.605
that I'm interested in and

00:54:16.644 --> 00:54:19.626
always have been.

00:54:19.686 --> 00:54:20.827
Research into that and also

00:54:20.887 --> 00:54:24.489
just the talking to computer scientists,

00:54:24.510 --> 00:54:26.030
to talking to people who work in fintech,

00:54:26.050 --> 00:54:26.751
to talking to people who

00:54:26.771 --> 00:54:28.452
are interested in various

00:54:28.472 --> 00:54:30.012
things I'm interested in at the moment,

00:54:30.052 --> 00:54:31.373
which is CBDCs and fun

00:54:31.414 --> 00:54:33.976
tokenization and blah, blah, blah.

00:54:34.135 --> 00:54:34.976
There's a lot of people who

00:54:35.016 --> 00:54:36.077
are very interested in zero

00:54:36.117 --> 00:54:36.898
knowledge at the moment.

00:54:37.644 --> 00:54:38.346
Go figure, right?

00:54:39.626 --> 00:54:40.628
Just as I'm putting together

00:54:40.648 --> 00:54:42.309
a position paper that's going, okay,

00:54:43.891 --> 00:54:44.731
all of these different

00:54:44.791 --> 00:54:48.996
forms of chain state denote identity.

00:54:49.416 --> 00:54:50.557
That may be problematic.

00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:52.740
You go and present that to

00:54:52.780 --> 00:54:54.021
computer scientists and they go, yeah,

00:54:54.061 --> 00:54:56.965
duh, but none of us thought it was right.

00:54:57.224 --> 00:54:57.585
Well, at least

00:54:58.353 --> 00:54:58.913
None of the people in my

00:54:58.932 --> 00:54:59.612
research group thought to

00:54:59.632 --> 00:55:00.793
write that paper yet exactly.

00:55:00.873 --> 00:55:02.193
So yeah, go ahead, write it.

00:55:02.634 --> 00:55:03.253
And then you go talk to

00:55:03.273 --> 00:55:04.275
people who work in FinTech

00:55:04.315 --> 00:55:05.954
and they're like, yeah, that is a concern,

00:55:06.614 --> 00:55:07.596
but nobody's been attacked yet.

00:55:07.655 --> 00:55:08.016
Have they?

00:55:08.076 --> 00:55:09.016
And you're like, yeah, kind of.

00:55:09.036 --> 00:55:09.956
And they're like, Ooh,

00:55:10.157 --> 00:55:10.797
that's an even bigger

00:55:10.817 --> 00:55:12.597
concern that yet then it's

00:55:12.617 --> 00:55:13.097
a good thing we're

00:55:13.117 --> 00:55:13.918
investing in these other things.

00:55:14.277 --> 00:55:16.257
But so anyway, back to the point of this,

00:55:16.318 --> 00:55:17.318
like the whole point is

00:55:17.338 --> 00:55:19.579
that the dominant paradigm for cosmos,

00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:19.818
right.

00:55:19.878 --> 00:55:21.599
Is anything that ships out

00:55:21.619 --> 00:55:22.699
of the box with the SDK,

00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:24.561
those design decisions are very,

00:55:24.601 --> 00:55:26.061
very rarely questioned by teams.

00:55:26.822 --> 00:55:28.061
Um, and you know, the,

00:55:29.244 --> 00:55:30.525
way that accounts work,

00:55:30.585 --> 00:55:31.907
the way that things are

00:55:31.947 --> 00:55:34.668
public and whatnot, that,

00:55:34.708 --> 00:55:35.630
that kind of almost goes

00:55:35.650 --> 00:55:36.231
all the way back to

00:55:36.291 --> 00:55:37.992
Ethereum model for these things.

00:55:38.552 --> 00:55:40.414
And I think that the one area.

00:55:42.070 --> 00:55:44.271
where that really just works

00:55:44.411 --> 00:55:46.052
and I think won't be

00:55:46.193 --> 00:55:47.432
completely superseded in

00:55:47.472 --> 00:55:49.634
the future is certain types

00:55:49.693 --> 00:55:50.715
of voting systems and

00:55:51.215 --> 00:55:52.235
certain types of open

00:55:52.295 --> 00:55:53.775
organizations and so

00:55:53.835 --> 00:55:54.936
actually in that context

00:55:54.976 --> 00:55:55.697
like with all of that

00:55:55.737 --> 00:55:56.797
caveating I've just done

00:55:56.836 --> 00:55:58.398
before like I think that

00:55:58.418 --> 00:56:00.297
there are certain types of

00:56:00.358 --> 00:56:01.179
radically open

00:56:01.219 --> 00:56:02.639
organizations that you will

00:56:02.699 --> 00:56:03.860
see in this new space that

00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:06.001
rely on dow dow and I think actually

00:56:06.621 --> 00:56:07.942
The things that Dowdow have

00:56:08.302 --> 00:56:10.664
realized by making those tools available,

00:56:10.684 --> 00:56:11.985
and to be fair, you know,

00:56:12.025 --> 00:56:12.985
you talk to Jake or talk

00:56:13.005 --> 00:56:14.907
with any of the other early Dowdow folks,

00:56:14.927 --> 00:56:15.789
and they were aware of this

00:56:15.829 --> 00:56:16.548
from the start, right?

00:56:17.269 --> 00:56:18.411
Is that there are also

00:56:18.451 --> 00:56:19.992
limitations to open voting.

00:56:20.813 --> 00:56:21.753
And, you know,

00:56:21.773 --> 00:56:22.994
they're also working on and

00:56:23.034 --> 00:56:24.096
building those tools too.

00:56:24.115 --> 00:56:24.155
So,

00:56:25.016 --> 00:56:26.398
but I think by the time you're done

00:56:26.418 --> 00:56:27.438
with those two things,

00:56:28.612 --> 00:56:29.512
you're actually gonna have a

00:56:29.572 --> 00:56:30.893
legitimately plausible

00:56:31.413 --> 00:56:33.853
toolkit for organizing open

00:56:33.913 --> 00:56:35.313
and private and the

00:56:35.373 --> 00:56:36.893
semi-open and semi-private

00:56:36.934 --> 00:56:38.293
parts of an organization

00:56:39.474 --> 00:56:40.755
that exists in this kind of

00:56:40.795 --> 00:56:41.795
multilateral space.

00:56:42.494 --> 00:56:45.056
And literally, I don't know,

00:56:45.115 --> 00:56:46.195
all the other stuff in Cosmos,

00:56:46.235 --> 00:56:47.155
so many of the other use

00:56:47.195 --> 00:56:48.777
cases are actually

00:56:49.056 --> 00:56:50.536
orthogonal or even like

00:56:52.838 --> 00:56:53.998
antipathic or whatever

00:56:55.054 --> 00:56:57.375
to openness like as in they

00:56:57.454 --> 00:56:59.295
shouldn't be public like or

00:56:59.355 --> 00:57:00.856
being public is actually um

00:57:02.596 --> 00:57:03.916
potentially a risk of user

00:57:03.956 --> 00:57:05.976
harm and I think like the

00:57:05.996 --> 00:57:07.057
problem is we're I think

00:57:07.097 --> 00:57:08.217
we're we all get especially

00:57:08.237 --> 00:57:09.177
as builders we all get very

00:57:09.237 --> 00:57:10.297
wrapped up with this idea

00:57:10.338 --> 00:57:11.278
and we're like oh yeah it's

00:57:11.378 --> 00:57:13.079
great like if you have all

00:57:13.099 --> 00:57:14.139
this stuff open you can do

00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:15.460
xyz and blah blah blah

00:57:17.284 --> 00:57:18.304
And I think a lot of that's

00:57:18.385 --> 00:57:19.505
really come out in the wash

00:57:19.545 --> 00:57:20.565
in this grand experiment in

00:57:20.585 --> 00:57:21.766
the last couple of years and be like,

00:57:21.887 --> 00:57:22.706
okay, no, actually it,

00:57:23.166 --> 00:57:24.807
it just has to be so much

00:57:24.867 --> 00:57:26.809
more fine grained than that.

00:57:26.909 --> 00:57:27.889
But what I think is great

00:57:27.909 --> 00:57:29.190
about Dow Dow is its core

00:57:29.271 --> 00:57:30.731
use case is relatively well

00:57:30.771 --> 00:57:32.213
fitted to the open paradigm

00:57:32.713 --> 00:57:33.393
and they're building the

00:57:33.432 --> 00:57:35.134
tools for the non-open paradigm.

00:57:35.875 --> 00:57:37.655
And because the way it it's

00:57:37.755 --> 00:57:38.896
kind of not at the core

00:57:38.936 --> 00:57:39.896
chain level and it doesn't

00:57:41.184 --> 00:57:42.224
The one bit of it, I guess,

00:57:42.264 --> 00:57:43.043
which is going to be tricky

00:57:43.083 --> 00:57:43.985
is the accounts, right?

00:57:44.005 --> 00:57:45.364
It's the money because you

00:57:45.385 --> 00:57:46.465
can make as much of it as

00:57:46.485 --> 00:57:48.885
you want anonymous, but the voting,

00:57:49.005 --> 00:57:49.425
whatever,

00:57:50.246 --> 00:57:51.425
but the money also has to be

00:57:51.465 --> 00:57:53.226
anonymous too, or at least the,

00:57:53.947 --> 00:57:56.467
where it is at rest needs

00:57:56.527 --> 00:57:58.527
to be anonymous to anybody.

00:57:58.588 --> 00:58:01.668
Who's not the correct person to see that.

00:58:01.728 --> 00:58:04.568
If you know what I mean, like the,

00:58:04.849 --> 00:58:05.668
it can be open,

00:58:05.728 --> 00:58:07.849
but how open you are and to

00:58:07.929 --> 00:58:09.510
whom is like really important.

00:58:10.514 --> 00:58:12.235
it's the same that um short

00:58:12.255 --> 00:58:13.155
season on the call because

00:58:13.175 --> 00:58:13.976
I'm sure he could tell us

00:58:14.717 --> 00:58:16.338
sort of some of the stuff

00:58:16.378 --> 00:58:17.737
around what secret does

00:58:17.797 --> 00:58:20.079
versus the other privacy

00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:21.019
chains that are coming and

00:58:21.059 --> 00:58:22.061
kind of what that

00:58:22.101 --> 00:58:23.101
potentially means because I

00:58:23.121 --> 00:58:26.043
think that as you said

00:58:26.422 --> 00:58:27.764
identity and privacy feel

00:58:27.804 --> 00:58:30.106
like the two big areas that

00:58:30.266 --> 00:58:32.487
have not been resolved yet

00:58:32.547 --> 00:58:33.728
if you really wanted to if

00:58:33.768 --> 00:58:34.688
you really wanted to do

00:58:34.748 --> 00:58:36.929
some serious work on chain

00:58:36.989 --> 00:58:38.329
or replace an organization

00:58:38.409 --> 00:58:39.231
with something on chain

00:58:40.956 --> 00:58:42.177
we're not there in terms of

00:58:42.297 --> 00:58:44.097
and like it's funny like

00:58:44.237 --> 00:58:45.777
thinking about work that

00:58:46.257 --> 00:58:48.318
I'm doing you know in real

00:58:48.358 --> 00:58:49.778
world like there's loads of

00:58:49.798 --> 00:58:50.760
stuff that I do that I

00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:53.179
desperately don't want our

00:58:53.539 --> 00:58:56.400
customers to have full

00:58:56.501 --> 00:58:57.260
access to because they

00:58:57.320 --> 00:58:59.782
wouldn't understand enough

00:58:59.822 --> 00:59:01.302
of the context for it to

00:59:01.481 --> 00:59:03.003
make sense but they would

00:59:03.063 --> 00:59:05.043
think they did and we've

00:59:05.103 --> 00:59:06.204
seen that play out in

00:59:06.224 --> 00:59:07.623
cosmos where people have just sort of

00:59:08.596 --> 00:59:09.797
got a bit of data and then

00:59:09.836 --> 00:59:11.016
shouted about it quite loudly.

00:59:12.318 --> 00:59:15.139
So are you guys familiar

00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:18.842
with like how Alio works or

00:59:18.882 --> 00:59:20.101
Alio or however they say it?

00:59:21.083 --> 00:59:23.123
Where you've got, so they have,

00:59:24.344 --> 00:59:25.425
like I've been fishing

00:59:25.465 --> 00:59:26.565
around there in the last

00:59:26.606 --> 00:59:27.706
couple of weeks and they

00:59:27.847 --> 00:59:30.208
have basically viewer keys.

00:59:30.527 --> 00:59:32.208
So, you know,

00:59:33.150 --> 00:59:34.891
it's not all completely open.

00:59:35.050 --> 00:59:36.130
You have your private key

00:59:36.150 --> 00:59:37.032
where you can do your

00:59:37.878 --> 00:59:40.860
your, you know, make your transactions.

00:59:41.561 --> 00:59:43.742
And then there's like,

00:59:43.822 --> 00:59:45.043
not really a public key

00:59:45.063 --> 00:59:45.943
where you can just like

00:59:46.684 --> 00:59:48.023
view stuff for an address,

00:59:48.065 --> 00:59:49.565
but then there's like a viewer key.

00:59:50.146 --> 00:59:51.786
So you can like give another

00:59:51.827 --> 00:59:53.306
key to people who need

00:59:53.606 --> 00:59:54.847
access to be able to see,

00:59:55.068 --> 00:59:55.829
say you might give it to

00:59:55.889 --> 00:59:58.250
your accountant or I don't know,

00:59:58.590 --> 01:00:00.811
someone who is in business

01:00:00.831 --> 01:00:01.572
with you and needs to be

01:00:01.592 --> 01:00:03.132
able to view the accounts, like the, uh,

01:00:03.172 --> 01:00:04.873
the admin for, you know,

01:00:04.893 --> 01:00:05.653
the business or whatever.

01:00:06.490 --> 01:00:08.391
It might be like you can

01:00:08.431 --> 01:00:09.612
give the specific key to

01:00:09.652 --> 01:00:10.813
people to be able to view

01:00:11.233 --> 01:00:12.853
transactions and stuff on the account.

01:00:12.914 --> 01:00:14.394
So it is public,

01:00:14.434 --> 01:00:16.115
but it's also like semi-private,

01:00:16.456 --> 01:00:17.135
if you know what I mean.

01:00:17.697 --> 01:00:18.797
Like it's in the public ledger,

01:00:18.896 --> 01:00:20.338
but you can't just go and view it.

01:00:21.998 --> 01:00:25.139
So I think that solves a lot of problems.

01:00:26.041 --> 01:00:26.681
That makes sense.

01:00:26.860 --> 01:00:28.641
But if your viewer key gets owned...

01:00:29.554 --> 01:00:33.894
Well, I'm sure because it's not, you know,

01:00:33.934 --> 01:00:35.574
a viewer key would probably

01:00:35.635 --> 01:00:36.534
be something which you'd be

01:00:36.574 --> 01:00:37.235
able to cycle.

01:00:37.396 --> 01:00:39.596
I haven't looked into it that closely.

01:00:39.635 --> 01:00:41.275
Can you key rotate?

01:00:41.617 --> 01:00:42.157
That would be.

01:00:42.177 --> 01:00:44.677
Yeah,

01:00:44.697 --> 01:00:46.297
like if you can rekey it for the

01:00:46.338 --> 01:00:47.697
public key or you can raise

01:00:47.737 --> 01:00:48.717
multiple public keys.

01:00:48.938 --> 01:00:49.318
Yeah.

01:00:49.338 --> 01:00:50.918
Like an API key.

01:00:51.259 --> 01:00:52.438
Like that's kind of what you want, right?

01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:53.259
Yeah.

01:00:54.331 --> 01:00:54.572
Yeah,

01:00:54.791 --> 01:00:55.773
and being able to make them

01:00:55.813 --> 01:00:57.472
time-bound or whatever because it's like,

01:00:57.532 --> 01:00:57.833
oh, yeah,

01:00:58.094 --> 01:00:59.313
we're working with you for the

01:00:59.373 --> 01:01:00.094
next three months,

01:01:00.135 --> 01:01:02.536
so therefore you could be able to do this,

01:01:02.615 --> 01:01:04.195
but after that it shouldn't work.

01:01:04.817 --> 01:01:05.117
And, like,

01:01:06.056 --> 01:01:07.418
there's levels of sophistication

01:01:07.797 --> 01:01:09.918
that we need to get to and

01:01:09.958 --> 01:01:11.338
I think will happen over time,

01:01:11.420 --> 01:01:12.000
but that's where I'm

01:01:12.019 --> 01:01:16.101
like... The time-branded

01:01:16.181 --> 01:01:17.722
things would be interesting

01:01:17.762 --> 01:01:18.563
because if it was...

01:01:19.813 --> 01:01:20.833
i know in the cosmos

01:01:20.914 --> 01:01:24.117
ecosystem say if um say

01:01:24.177 --> 01:01:25.018
something like that did

01:01:25.057 --> 01:01:27.760
exist like a uh a time

01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:29.902
banded key then like

01:01:31.844 --> 01:01:33.644
potentially you know once

01:01:33.684 --> 01:01:34.565
your key runs out you're

01:01:34.585 --> 01:01:35.427
not supposed to have access

01:01:35.467 --> 01:01:36.367
to like any of the history

01:01:36.407 --> 01:01:37.248
anymore right but what if

01:01:37.268 --> 01:01:38.248
you just like partially

01:01:38.289 --> 01:01:42.072
sync an rpc and then query

01:01:42.112 --> 01:01:45.315
it so you would have like the most

01:01:46.476 --> 01:01:47.516
up-to-date information the

01:01:47.597 --> 01:01:48.958
RPC has up to the block

01:01:49.157 --> 01:01:50.878
until where you have synced it.

01:01:51.458 --> 01:01:52.338
And then you could still use

01:01:52.358 --> 01:01:54.199
your key for the historical data anyway.

01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:56.318
That's not dissimilar from

01:01:56.539 --> 01:01:57.358
if I give a load of

01:01:57.559 --> 01:01:58.599
information to a company

01:01:59.460 --> 01:02:00.420
and we're working with them

01:02:00.460 --> 01:02:01.360
up until a certain point,

01:02:01.539 --> 01:02:02.460
they have that information.

01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:04.041
They could take copies of it

01:02:04.101 --> 01:02:05.860
and they could illegally

01:02:05.940 --> 01:02:06.722
make use of that.

01:02:07.202 --> 01:02:08.322
And then I can take them to court.

01:02:08.961 --> 01:02:09.681
And I think that that's

01:02:09.722 --> 01:02:10.302
where I'm just like,

01:02:10.822 --> 01:02:12.503
some of these things already have...

01:02:14.141 --> 01:02:16.362
There was the outrage about

01:02:16.422 --> 01:02:19.003
the Willy Wonka thing in Glasgow.

01:02:20.704 --> 01:02:22.643
Oh, yeah.

01:02:23.123 --> 01:02:24.164
There was a ridiculous tweet

01:02:24.184 --> 01:02:25.204
that I saw where someone was like,

01:02:25.425 --> 01:02:27.244
this is why AI is so dangerous,

01:02:27.304 --> 01:02:28.025
because they were just able

01:02:28.045 --> 01:02:28.905
to produce these marketing

01:02:28.945 --> 01:02:30.545
materials and misled everyone.

01:02:30.606 --> 01:02:31.485
It's really terrible.

01:02:32.246 --> 01:02:32.987
And I'm there just going,

01:02:34.126 --> 01:02:35.246
trading standards can

01:02:35.306 --> 01:02:36.648
literally intervene regardless.

01:02:36.688 --> 01:02:38.487
It doesn't matter that the tool was AI.

01:02:39.027 --> 01:02:40.509
If a designer had made that poster,

01:02:40.608 --> 01:02:42.009
it would still be the problem, right?

01:02:42.028 --> 01:02:42.168
Yeah.

01:02:43.692 --> 01:02:45.253
but people think people get

01:02:45.293 --> 01:02:46.876
so blinded by being in tech

01:02:47.175 --> 01:02:48.177
that they think that what

01:02:48.197 --> 01:02:49.679
they're doing is new and it

01:02:49.759 --> 01:02:51.460
isn't that like it's like

01:02:51.521 --> 01:02:53.543
and I know that sounds so

01:02:54.003 --> 01:02:55.806
you might for for for

01:02:55.846 --> 01:02:56.967
viewers and listeners that

01:02:57.387 --> 01:02:59.048
aren't familiar with the

01:02:59.128 --> 01:03:01.070
hilarious glasgow disaster

01:03:01.152 --> 01:03:02.353
that you've just referenced

01:03:03.373 --> 01:03:04.976
bender you might have to just explain

01:03:06.422 --> 01:03:11.425
Okay, so paint or, you know,

01:03:11.545 --> 01:03:15.146
put into your AI of choice

01:03:15.806 --> 01:03:16.786
that it will create a

01:03:16.827 --> 01:03:19.068
picture of an immersive

01:03:19.688 --> 01:03:22.329
Willy Wonka-inspired magical land.

01:03:29.612 --> 01:03:31.213
Sorry, just dying, don't worry about me.

01:03:32.351 --> 01:03:33.432
Bendy's just partially

01:03:33.492 --> 01:03:37.815
fucking dying off the microphone.

01:03:38.235 --> 01:03:38.815
Don't worry about it.

01:03:38.855 --> 01:03:39.215
It's fine.

01:03:39.275 --> 01:03:39.775
It's all fine.

01:03:40.797 --> 01:03:43.597
But then what you do is you

01:03:43.617 --> 01:03:45.119
go to an industrialist.

01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.840
You pay 35 English pounds or

01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:48.800
Scottish pounds, actually.

01:03:50.061 --> 01:03:51.461
And then you go to an

01:03:51.501 --> 01:03:52.402
industrial estate in

01:03:52.463 --> 01:03:55.164
Glasgow and you walk in and

01:03:55.344 --> 01:03:56.505
there are some plastic

01:03:56.644 --> 01:04:00.186
props and a small bouncy castle.

01:04:01.831 --> 01:04:04.514
And some stuff has been

01:04:05.735 --> 01:04:08.418
stuck to the walls with staples.

01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:12.240
That is what happened.

01:04:12.260 --> 01:04:13.262
And then there was effectively,

01:04:13.442 --> 01:04:14.282
being in Glasgow,

01:04:14.362 --> 01:04:17.625
a riot as angry mums with

01:04:17.724 --> 01:04:19.286
kids kicked off.

01:04:21.108 --> 01:04:22.369
My favourite bit about the story,

01:04:22.409 --> 01:04:22.809
by the way,

01:04:23.349 --> 01:04:24.251
I hadn't actually even

01:04:24.371 --> 01:04:26.992
realised until later that

01:04:27.012 --> 01:04:27.994
there was even any AI...

01:04:29.873 --> 01:04:31.333
involved you know to give it

01:04:31.373 --> 01:04:32.635
a newspaper hook like is

01:04:32.655 --> 01:04:33.976
this ai gone mad it's like

01:04:34.675 --> 01:04:36.177
like you say no it's

01:04:36.217 --> 01:04:37.458
somebody having a laugh

01:04:37.478 --> 01:04:40.460
gone mad but I saw this bit

01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:41.641
which said that as the

01:04:41.701 --> 01:04:42.961
children were like at the

01:04:43.141 --> 01:04:44.322
end of the experience which

01:04:44.362 --> 01:04:46.164
bear in mind is the end of

01:04:46.204 --> 01:04:47.105
the experience is the

01:04:47.125 --> 01:04:48.025
beginning when it's an

01:04:48.204 --> 01:04:49.907
empty room in an industrial

01:04:49.947 --> 01:04:51.288
estate with a bouncy castle

01:04:52.068 --> 01:04:53.668
they were given I think it

01:04:53.708 --> 01:04:55.451
was like a couple of sweets

01:04:55.831 --> 01:04:58.373
and a watered down glass of

01:04:58.572 --> 01:05:01.356
cheese by somebody dressed

01:05:01.396 --> 01:05:02.856
as an elf but the elf

01:05:02.916 --> 01:05:03.918
costumes hadn't come

01:05:04.018 --> 01:05:07.199
through or something wasn't

01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:09.262
even an oompa loompa right

01:05:09.342 --> 01:05:10.702
the input the person was

01:05:10.742 --> 01:05:11.884
dressed as an elf because

01:05:11.903 --> 01:05:13.826
they couldn't get an oompa loompa outfit

01:05:14.766 --> 01:05:15.967
it was just some poor like

01:05:16.047 --> 01:05:17.989
student actor with watered

01:05:18.009 --> 01:05:19.329
down orange juice with kids

01:05:19.590 --> 01:05:21.110
literally crying their eyes

01:05:21.231 --> 01:05:22.893
out at him just being like

01:05:23.293 --> 01:05:26.635
what am I doing here oh

01:05:26.675 --> 01:05:29.637
it's hilarious I mean I

01:05:31.338 --> 01:05:36.884
yeah I've I've worked on events uh that

01:05:37.445 --> 01:05:38.826
There was an event that I

01:05:38.865 --> 01:05:39.806
worked on where Trading

01:05:39.827 --> 01:05:40.907
Standards did get involved

01:05:41.086 --> 01:05:42.367
because of the advertising of it.

01:05:43.208 --> 01:05:45.007
Oh, was it that Christmasland one?

01:05:45.268 --> 01:05:46.608
It was not the Christmasland.

01:05:48.268 --> 01:05:50.630
Someone was trying to put on

01:05:50.929 --> 01:05:54.110
a tribute to the greatest show.

01:05:56.391 --> 01:05:58.371
And there were rights issues

01:05:58.452 --> 01:05:59.791
and there were all sorts of things.

01:06:01.893 --> 01:06:02.913
It was one of those where,

01:06:03.552 --> 01:06:05.594
as the marketing person, I'm going,

01:06:05.981 --> 01:06:06.800
There are red flags here.

01:06:06.820 --> 01:06:07.581
There are red flags.

01:06:07.842 --> 01:06:10.461
Like, seriously, this is... And, you know,

01:06:10.682 --> 01:06:11.963
the company's just steaming

01:06:12.003 --> 01:06:12.822
ahead and you're going,

01:06:13.043 --> 01:06:13.844
I'm pretty sure we're

01:06:13.884 --> 01:06:14.643
probably breaking the law.

01:06:15.804 --> 01:06:16.965
Anyway, everyone got their money back.

01:06:17.324 --> 01:06:18.204
No harm, no foul, right?

01:06:19.505 --> 01:06:22.646
But it could have easily

01:06:22.666 --> 01:06:23.967
been in a newspaper, to be honest,

01:06:23.987 --> 01:06:25.266
because people just left

01:06:25.327 --> 01:06:26.427
and children cried.

01:06:31.228 --> 01:06:31.329
Oh,

01:06:31.349 --> 01:06:32.730
there's something just... I know it's

01:06:33.010 --> 01:06:33.170
like...

01:06:35.264 --> 01:06:36.405
you shouldn't laugh you

01:06:36.425 --> 01:06:37.166
should it's like the

01:06:37.206 --> 01:06:38.166
tombstoning isn't it

01:06:38.885 --> 01:06:40.467
somebody tweeted at me you

01:06:40.487 --> 01:06:43.286
shouldn't laugh um about

01:06:43.347 --> 01:06:45.367
whichever was last few

01:06:45.407 --> 01:06:46.407
episodes we were talking

01:06:46.427 --> 01:06:47.469
about tombstoning and

01:06:47.489 --> 01:06:48.369
apparently I was just like

01:06:48.409 --> 01:06:49.688
yeah no you shouldn't laugh

01:06:49.708 --> 01:06:50.369
about this stuff shouldn't

01:06:50.409 --> 01:06:51.110
laugh and I apparently

01:06:51.150 --> 01:06:52.190
immediately laughed and

01:06:52.230 --> 01:06:53.389
somebody like tweeted at me

01:06:53.429 --> 01:06:54.429
like you shouldn't laugh

01:06:54.771 --> 01:06:56.731
brackets open chuckles

01:06:56.831 --> 01:06:59.751
audibly I was like yeah okay fair enough

01:07:00.768 --> 01:07:01.907
shouldn't laugh but the

01:07:01.947 --> 01:07:04.009
children crying bit is just

01:07:04.028 --> 01:07:05.869
there's every every year

01:07:05.909 --> 01:07:06.590
there's something in the

01:07:06.630 --> 01:07:07.610
paper isn't there about

01:07:07.650 --> 01:07:09.431
like like a winter

01:07:09.471 --> 01:07:10.490
wonderland or something

01:07:10.670 --> 01:07:11.911
that sounds great and then

01:07:11.990 --> 01:07:13.012
the last line of the

01:07:13.112 --> 01:07:14.391
article is always just like

01:07:14.751 --> 01:07:16.012
crying children blah blah

01:07:16.032 --> 01:07:16.913
blah and you're just like

01:07:18.693 --> 01:07:19.793
ah it's fun while it's not

01:07:19.833 --> 01:07:22.534
you there was a why are the

01:07:22.574 --> 01:07:23.855
children always crying

01:07:26.327 --> 01:07:28.811
Because they had the

01:07:29.110 --> 01:07:30.612
expectation that something

01:07:30.672 --> 01:07:32.894
in life might not turn out

01:07:32.954 --> 01:07:36.177
to suck because they haven't yet learned.

01:07:36.197 --> 01:07:38.641
No, there's nothing.

01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:39.942
They're just future shit

01:07:39.981 --> 01:07:41.242
corn buyers who are then

01:07:41.264 --> 01:07:41.684
going to complain.

01:07:41.704 --> 01:07:42.625
They are future shit corn buyers.

01:07:43.643 --> 01:07:44.724
I'll tell you what though, right?

01:07:44.764 --> 01:07:46.025
Here's something that isn't a shit coin.

01:07:46.166 --> 01:07:47.686
I went to the fucking zoo the other day,

01:07:47.766 --> 01:07:47.987
right?

01:07:48.567 --> 01:07:48.887
Okay.

01:07:49.387 --> 01:07:50.208
That's not the story.

01:07:51.588 --> 01:07:52.909
I saw a lion, right?

01:07:53.449 --> 01:07:54.490
And the fucker comes up to

01:07:54.530 --> 01:07:56.251
the edge of the cage and you know,

01:07:56.411 --> 01:07:57.773
you know, lions and tigers,

01:07:57.793 --> 01:07:59.534
they have like total contempt for you.

01:07:59.554 --> 01:07:59.914
Don't they?

01:07:59.994 --> 01:08:01.875
They're like, if this glass wasn't here,

01:08:01.894 --> 01:08:02.856
I'd fucking not.

01:08:02.896 --> 01:08:03.215
You may.

01:08:03.255 --> 01:08:04.277
That's what they look at you.

01:08:04.376 --> 01:08:06.297
And they're like, you're not so big.

01:08:06.338 --> 01:08:06.918
You're not so tough.

01:08:06.938 --> 01:08:07.699
And you're like, God damn it.

01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:08.679
You really hate me.

01:08:09.018 --> 01:08:09.840
Lion guy.

01:08:10.853 --> 01:08:11.795
And then I was like, okay, cool.

01:08:11.835 --> 01:08:12.014
Right.

01:08:12.375 --> 01:08:13.635
That, that was wild.

01:08:13.655 --> 01:08:15.556
A bit weird to see a line in the cage.

01:08:16.417 --> 01:08:17.877
I was like, yeah, as you are weird, huh?

01:08:18.238 --> 01:08:20.479
Anyway, started like toddling off as,

01:08:20.899 --> 01:08:21.399
as you do.

01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:22.239
Right.

01:08:22.780 --> 01:08:25.002
And then there's like this big, like, uh,

01:08:25.101 --> 01:08:27.722
like fake sounding raw thing.

01:08:27.802 --> 01:08:28.724
As I like walking down this

01:08:28.764 --> 01:08:30.364
little garden path thing, you know,

01:08:30.425 --> 01:08:31.645
this themed path and it's

01:08:31.704 --> 01:08:32.805
telling you all about the

01:08:32.905 --> 01:08:34.287
lion conservation and this and that.

01:08:34.787 --> 01:08:36.550
I'm like, oh, that's a bit fucking cheesy,

01:08:36.590 --> 01:08:36.831
isn't it?

01:08:36.871 --> 01:08:38.012
A bit of a lion roar.

01:08:38.033 --> 01:08:38.913
All right.

01:08:39.636 --> 01:08:40.657
It's like Chessington World

01:08:40.676 --> 01:08:41.658
of Adventures or something.

01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:43.922
And then, yeah, I keep toddling along,

01:08:43.943 --> 01:08:45.305
and there's another roar, and I'm like,

01:08:45.586 --> 01:08:47.288
oh, yeah, okay, yeah, roar, roar, roar.

01:08:47.846 --> 01:08:48.027
Like,

01:08:48.186 --> 01:08:50.007
go to the little lad in the baby carrier.

01:08:50.028 --> 01:08:52.809
I'm like, do you hear that little one?

01:08:53.550 --> 01:08:54.510
Come around the corner and

01:08:55.230 --> 01:08:56.631
there's a fucking lion.

01:08:56.671 --> 01:08:57.652
There's a second lion.

01:08:57.712 --> 01:08:58.391
I didn't realize there were

01:08:58.431 --> 01:08:59.393
two lions at the zoo.

01:08:59.752 --> 01:09:01.533
There's a second lion also

01:09:01.594 --> 01:09:03.073
right up against the fucking thing.

01:09:03.595 --> 01:09:04.515
And he's just roaring.

01:09:04.534 --> 01:09:05.475
I was like, oh,

01:09:05.636 --> 01:09:07.176
fuck that really loud roar.

01:09:07.756 --> 01:09:09.016
That's a fucking real lion.

01:09:09.117 --> 01:09:09.978
He's just chilling there.

01:09:10.078 --> 01:09:12.599
And again, he's just like, I shit you not.

01:09:12.639 --> 01:09:13.680
He fucking looks at me.

01:09:14.579 --> 01:09:16.221
and then just licks his fucking lips.

01:09:16.801 --> 01:09:18.884
And I was like, you know what?

01:09:19.484 --> 01:09:20.865
Fair play to you, lion guy.

01:09:21.025 --> 01:09:21.846
I'm going to get the fuck

01:09:21.907 --> 01:09:23.047
away from your enclosure.

01:09:23.068 --> 01:09:26.171
It's also the only one in the zoo.

01:09:26.251 --> 01:09:27.271
Everything else is like,

01:09:27.813 --> 01:09:28.793
it's like penguin enclosure.

01:09:28.814 --> 01:09:29.613
And then lion enclosure is

01:09:29.634 --> 01:09:31.336
like fucking locked down.

01:09:31.355 --> 01:09:33.158
So there's huge pillars with

01:09:33.438 --> 01:09:34.979
the overhangs and stuff,

01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:36.881
just like our Jurassic Park.

01:09:36.940 --> 01:09:37.341
And you're like,

01:09:38.390 --> 01:09:39.490
These lions are already beaten.

01:09:39.551 --> 01:09:40.292
They're in a zoo.

01:09:40.792 --> 01:09:41.493
What can they do?

01:09:41.514 --> 01:09:43.515
And then you see it lick his

01:09:43.555 --> 01:09:44.237
lips and you're like,

01:09:44.797 --> 01:09:46.019
best to be safe than sorry.

01:09:46.420 --> 01:09:50.404
You know, fill that wall a bit higher.

01:09:50.604 --> 01:09:52.046
Maybe, you know, just an idea.

01:09:53.564 --> 01:09:54.685
I've got a very dear friend

01:09:54.905 --> 01:09:57.728
who works in marketing at a safari park.

01:09:57.908 --> 01:10:00.050
They had two tigers, male and a female.

01:10:08.797 --> 01:10:09.438
Yeah,

01:10:09.738 --> 01:10:12.059
they were trying to mate and be

01:10:13.378 --> 01:10:14.538
encouraged to mate.

01:10:14.998 --> 01:10:17.640
And Tiger takes Lady Tiger

01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:20.020
into the bushes and then

01:10:20.060 --> 01:10:21.140
just kills her in the bushes.

01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:25.261
And the staff had to then

01:10:26.280 --> 01:10:28.462
basically go in to the

01:10:28.601 --> 01:10:31.381
murdering Tiger thing and

01:10:31.662 --> 01:10:33.502
retrieve the dead Tiger.

01:10:35.341 --> 01:10:36.063
And then, like,

01:10:36.302 --> 01:10:38.604
work out what the hell they do with, like,

01:10:38.704 --> 01:10:40.106
it's behind the cage, right?

01:10:40.146 --> 01:10:41.427
Like, even though it's in the safari park,

01:10:41.448 --> 01:10:42.668
you don't actually drive by

01:10:42.708 --> 01:10:44.331
the tiger because it will have you.

01:10:45.091 --> 01:10:46.672
But this is now a murdering tiger.

01:10:47.252 --> 01:10:48.614
And, like, so they have to, like,

01:10:49.154 --> 01:10:50.036
I forgot what it was.

01:10:50.076 --> 01:10:50.936
It's like they spent another

01:10:51.037 --> 01:10:52.618
million quid making the

01:10:52.658 --> 01:10:55.161
fence fancier in order to

01:10:55.180 --> 01:10:55.902
keep everyone safe.

01:10:56.601 --> 01:10:58.283
And it's like, and I was just like,

01:10:59.488 --> 01:11:01.128
Yeah, he was like, well,

01:11:01.309 --> 01:11:02.288
you say all good publicity

01:11:02.309 --> 01:11:02.850
is good publicity.

01:11:02.869 --> 01:11:04.090
I was like, not that one.

01:11:04.369 --> 01:11:05.671
Not the one where what we

01:11:05.711 --> 01:11:06.530
actually have here is a

01:11:06.591 --> 01:11:08.032
wild animal that is going to kill you.

01:11:09.432 --> 01:11:11.253
Well, I know they're solitary,

01:11:11.293 --> 01:11:11.594
aren't they?

01:11:11.654 --> 01:11:12.673
That's the thing.

01:11:12.713 --> 01:11:13.715
The tigers are not supposed

01:11:13.734 --> 01:11:14.835
to hang out with each other.

01:11:16.735 --> 01:11:17.697
They did it all correctly,

01:11:17.716 --> 01:11:18.476
as far as I understand,

01:11:18.516 --> 01:11:19.497
where they introduced them.

01:11:20.198 --> 01:11:21.479
They send each other

01:11:21.519 --> 01:11:22.279
romantic letters or

01:11:22.298 --> 01:11:23.279
whatever it is that they do

01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:24.260
as part of their courtship.

01:11:24.420 --> 01:11:26.081
Big pics, you know, the standard,

01:11:26.140 --> 01:11:27.421
I imagine, for tigers.

01:11:27.462 --> 01:11:28.042
They seem quite...

01:11:29.177 --> 01:11:31.840
pushy but yeah anyway

01:11:32.220 --> 01:11:33.041
dragged her into the bush

01:11:33.081 --> 01:11:33.900
they thought for just a bit

01:11:33.921 --> 01:11:35.101
of privacy but actually for

01:11:35.122 --> 01:11:38.904
murdering that's fucked up

01:11:38.944 --> 01:11:43.627
man like I mean tigers kind

01:11:43.667 --> 01:11:46.729
of look like yeah I don't

01:11:46.748 --> 01:11:48.270
know why it bugs me that

01:11:48.310 --> 01:11:49.490
like I'm like oh obviously

01:11:49.530 --> 01:11:50.811
if it dragged an antelope

01:11:50.931 --> 01:11:51.972
it just like rips his head

01:11:51.993 --> 01:11:53.554
off you're like tigers will

01:11:53.573 --> 01:11:55.135
be tigers but like if it

01:11:55.154 --> 01:11:56.215
kills one of its own kind

01:11:56.234 --> 01:11:56.775
you're like you're a

01:11:56.815 --> 01:11:58.596
monster you're a tiger killer

01:12:00.134 --> 01:12:01.135
This is the thing though, right?

01:12:01.175 --> 01:12:03.457
Like in nature, killing other species,

01:12:03.958 --> 01:12:05.501
sound, not a problem.

01:12:06.381 --> 01:12:07.583
Just fill your boots, right?

01:12:08.604 --> 01:12:10.728
Killing your own kind, evil.

01:12:12.162 --> 01:12:13.141
It's not on, is it?

01:12:14.622 --> 01:12:15.703
I've just started reading.

01:12:16.043 --> 01:12:17.083
I needed a break from

01:12:17.725 --> 01:12:18.664
reading worthy stuff and

01:12:18.685 --> 01:12:20.605
also reading fucking papers all the time.

01:12:21.345 --> 01:12:22.186
And I've just started

01:12:22.226 --> 01:12:25.528
reading a somewhat trashy fantasy novel.

01:12:26.469 --> 01:12:28.789
And, well, maybe it's well thought of.

01:12:28.810 --> 01:12:30.109
I don't even fucking know.

01:12:30.570 --> 01:12:31.490
But I was recommended it.

01:12:31.511 --> 01:12:32.652
And it was just as like,

01:12:32.912 --> 01:12:34.391
this is really easy reading.

01:12:34.412 --> 01:12:34.813
And I was like,

01:12:34.872 --> 01:12:35.912
that's what I need right now.

01:12:37.673 --> 01:12:40.314
And there's the second,

01:12:40.715 --> 01:12:41.536
they have some like

01:12:44.036 --> 01:12:45.317
old guys and they're like

01:12:45.396 --> 01:12:46.657
the first law is I don't

01:12:46.737 --> 01:12:48.118
know something ominous

01:12:48.198 --> 01:12:49.257
about not crossing the

01:12:49.278 --> 01:12:50.378
other side I'm sure that

01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:51.520
will come back in the third

01:12:51.619 --> 01:12:53.079
act and be bad and the

01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:55.001
second law is don't eat

01:12:55.020 --> 01:12:56.702
your own kind which I'm

01:12:56.742 --> 01:12:58.143
sure will also come back in

01:12:58.182 --> 01:12:59.823
the third act but I was

01:12:59.842 --> 01:13:03.505
like mr tiger the second

01:13:03.524 --> 01:13:04.545
law apparently from this

01:13:04.586 --> 01:13:05.365
book of angels started

01:13:05.405 --> 01:13:07.587
reading don't eat your own kind

01:13:08.984 --> 01:13:09.385
but I was like,

01:13:09.404 --> 01:13:10.666
that is quite good world building.

01:13:10.706 --> 01:13:11.567
Cause like they basically

01:13:11.606 --> 01:13:12.646
laid out these three kind

01:13:12.686 --> 01:13:13.707
of gibberish sounding,

01:13:13.747 --> 01:13:15.668
but obviously significant

01:13:15.828 --> 01:13:16.869
points about the world.

01:13:17.529 --> 01:13:19.591
And even to a reader on like

01:13:20.032 --> 01:13:21.072
very early in the book,

01:13:21.112 --> 01:13:22.092
he's not very invested.

01:13:22.113 --> 01:13:23.274
You're like, Hmm,

01:13:23.453 --> 01:13:24.634
I viscerally don't agree

01:13:24.694 --> 01:13:25.774
with eating your own kind.

01:13:25.835 --> 01:13:26.536
And you've just told me a

01:13:26.555 --> 01:13:27.355
story about a tiger.

01:13:27.376 --> 01:13:28.837
And I'm like, couldn't agree more.

01:13:29.516 --> 01:13:29.797
It's good.

01:13:29.818 --> 01:13:31.519
World building fit well into this,

01:13:31.618 --> 01:13:32.179
whatever it is,

01:13:32.759 --> 01:13:36.622
but kind of classic game of nose tangent,

01:13:36.721 --> 01:13:37.341
actually that one.

01:13:38.302 --> 01:13:38.443
Um,

01:13:40.094 --> 01:13:40.594
But there's also the

01:13:40.954 --> 01:13:43.435
horrible morality decision of, like,

01:13:43.456 --> 01:13:44.837
what do you do with the murder tiger,

01:13:44.856 --> 01:13:45.837
right?

01:13:48.659 --> 01:13:50.921
Either you market him as murder tiger,

01:13:51.641 --> 01:13:52.521
right, and you put, like,

01:13:53.082 --> 01:13:56.465
a wrestling belt around him

01:13:56.484 --> 01:13:58.905
that says murderer, killer.

01:13:59.886 --> 01:14:00.947
I missed it straight away.

01:14:00.988 --> 01:14:04.689
It's killer, obviously.

01:14:04.850 --> 01:14:06.211
Or you go, like, you know,

01:14:09.466 --> 01:14:10.726
sometimes bad things happen

01:14:10.747 --> 01:14:11.908
to good people you know

01:14:11.927 --> 01:14:12.528
he's under a lot of

01:14:12.587 --> 01:14:13.769
pressure a lot of stress

01:14:13.809 --> 01:14:16.591
you know I've had a very

01:14:16.650 --> 01:14:18.011
violent upbringing you know

01:14:18.051 --> 01:14:18.792
sometimes people just

01:14:18.832 --> 01:14:20.314
repeat what they're seeing

01:14:20.514 --> 01:14:21.854
you know what they what

01:14:21.875 --> 01:14:22.715
they grew up with what they

01:14:22.814 --> 01:14:25.077
used to and like with with

01:14:25.176 --> 01:14:26.318
careful reform and

01:14:26.358 --> 01:14:27.738
reflection like we can

01:14:27.779 --> 01:14:29.600
reintegrate him into zoo society um

01:14:34.408 --> 01:14:35.469
Do you monetize him?

01:14:35.488 --> 01:14:38.729
He's already kind of imprisoned, right?

01:14:39.310 --> 01:14:40.230
That was his day-to-day.

01:14:40.251 --> 01:14:41.532
There's not a lot you can do.

01:14:41.551 --> 01:14:44.172
When you put it like that, actually,

01:14:44.393 --> 01:14:45.974
the morality of it is the

01:14:46.755 --> 01:14:47.875
poor fuck is already in prison.

01:14:48.135 --> 01:14:48.555
What do you do?

01:14:48.916 --> 01:14:49.176
Well,

01:14:49.256 --> 01:14:51.796
I have the feeling that whatever I do,

01:14:51.837 --> 01:14:52.478
I'm going to continue

01:14:52.497 --> 01:14:55.998
selling tickets to his suffering.

01:14:56.600 --> 01:14:58.121
That's kind of the baseline

01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:00.282
decision already sort of made.

01:15:01.922 --> 01:15:02.923
The argument is that they do

01:15:02.963 --> 01:15:04.765
a bit of breeding to help

01:15:04.805 --> 01:15:05.485
endangered species,

01:15:05.525 --> 01:15:06.707
but what that actually ends

01:15:06.747 --> 01:15:08.048
up doing is leading to some

01:15:08.069 --> 01:15:08.908
of the species dying,

01:15:09.109 --> 01:15:10.730
so probably can't do that bit.

01:15:10.951 --> 01:15:11.492
I just find it,

01:15:11.532 --> 01:15:12.993
the whole thing's quite funny.

01:15:13.873 --> 01:15:14.314
Shouldn't laugh.

01:15:15.056 --> 01:15:15.516
It's quite funny.

01:15:15.537 --> 01:15:16.377
Do you know what else is

01:15:16.436 --> 01:15:18.438
funny about zoos from this week?

01:15:18.478 --> 01:15:19.778
So I was in Scotland, obviously,

01:15:19.797 --> 01:15:20.698
so I was at Edinburgh Zoo.

01:15:21.618 --> 01:15:25.158
They had two pandas, right, for 10 years,

01:15:25.158 --> 01:15:25.738
15 years?

01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:28.060
And they were given by China, I think,

01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:29.140
on the understanding that

01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:29.859
because they have, like,

01:15:30.300 --> 01:15:32.720
good research links with

01:15:32.761 --> 01:15:33.881
universities and blah, blah, blah,

01:15:34.341 --> 01:15:35.041
that they would be able to

01:15:35.081 --> 01:15:36.220
get these pandas to mate.

01:15:37.221 --> 01:15:39.421
And they did not successfully mate.

01:15:40.902 --> 01:15:42.302
And then so they just they

01:15:42.342 --> 01:15:42.944
got to the end of the

01:15:42.984 --> 01:15:43.804
agreement period and they

01:15:43.823 --> 01:15:44.925
just took the pandas back.

01:15:45.364 --> 01:15:46.326
They went back to China.

01:15:46.907 --> 01:15:48.106
And so there's this huge

01:15:48.188 --> 01:15:49.628
pandering closure.

01:15:50.708 --> 01:15:51.710
It's got nothing in it.

01:15:52.490 --> 01:15:53.811
Sounds like my preferred.

01:15:54.271 --> 01:15:55.033
I hate pandas.

01:15:55.552 --> 01:15:57.914
I think pandas deserve to be extinct.

01:16:00.826 --> 01:16:03.688
It's probably my hottest take.

01:16:03.927 --> 01:16:05.167
That is a red hot take.

01:16:06.128 --> 01:16:07.489
Pandas deserve to be extinct.

01:16:07.689 --> 01:16:09.890
They're a charismatic megafauna, Ben.

01:16:10.011 --> 01:16:11.110
What's your beef with the pandas?

01:16:11.631 --> 01:16:14.853
They don't want to mate.

01:16:15.413 --> 01:16:16.993
Literally, they don't want to.

01:16:17.494 --> 01:16:19.256
They have no instinct to

01:16:19.296 --> 01:16:20.836
keep their species going,

01:16:20.956 --> 01:16:22.737
and we're trying to step in to help them.

01:16:24.078 --> 01:16:24.698
But also,

01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:27.239
they are... Maybe they've read

01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:28.359
about global warming.

01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:29.740
Maybe they're just bummed out, man.

01:16:30.579 --> 01:16:31.081
I mean, maybe,

01:16:31.201 --> 01:16:34.264
but they also are meant to be carnivores.

01:16:34.583 --> 01:16:35.864
They literally have the teeth for it,

01:16:36.405 --> 01:16:37.686
but instead they eat bamboo.

01:16:38.127 --> 01:16:39.389
There's loads of bamboo in the world.

01:16:39.548 --> 01:16:41.110
They only eat two because

01:16:41.131 --> 01:16:42.231
they're fussy fuckers.

01:16:42.811 --> 01:16:43.974
They're also black and white,

01:16:44.314 --> 01:16:45.755
which is their idea of camouflage,

01:16:45.774 --> 01:16:46.615
but they live in the jungle,

01:16:46.636 --> 01:16:47.858
which is primarily green.

01:16:48.457 --> 01:16:50.520
They also, when they need the toilet,

01:16:50.780 --> 01:16:52.442
do a fucking headstand and

01:16:52.481 --> 01:16:53.823
it all falls on themselves.

01:16:54.453 --> 01:16:55.414
And the reason they do the

01:16:55.454 --> 01:16:56.895
headstand is so that they

01:16:56.914 --> 01:16:57.796
can mark the tree,

01:16:57.916 --> 01:16:59.596
and it's a sign of being in the alpha,

01:16:59.657 --> 01:17:01.398
how high up you can mark the tree.

01:17:01.637 --> 01:17:02.478
The problem with that is,

01:17:02.698 --> 01:17:03.359
because you don't want the

01:17:03.378 --> 01:17:04.618
other pandas to come near you, right?

01:17:04.878 --> 01:17:05.619
But the problem with that is

01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:07.421
pandas' faces are near the fucking floor.

01:17:08.280 --> 01:17:09.242
So they don't actually make

01:17:09.301 --> 01:17:10.662
any... None of it makes sense,

01:17:10.801 --> 01:17:11.563
and they just... Do they

01:17:11.662 --> 01:17:14.203
actually do... That doesn't sound real.

01:17:14.444 --> 01:17:15.284
Yes,

01:17:15.305 --> 01:17:17.746
they do their poos standing on their head,

01:17:18.907 --> 01:17:19.646
up against the tree.

01:17:23.421 --> 01:17:24.980
I see Noel's expression.

01:17:25.020 --> 01:17:27.403
He's like, hang on a minute.

01:17:27.443 --> 01:17:29.604
Did pandas piss on their own face?

01:17:31.024 --> 01:17:32.525
I want to see a picture of this.

01:17:34.766 --> 01:17:35.346
Genuinely.

01:17:35.426 --> 01:17:37.769
I only see pandas climbing

01:17:37.849 --> 01:17:39.569
trees very badly.

01:17:39.869 --> 01:17:40.149
I don't.

01:17:40.409 --> 01:17:41.189
Oh, no.

01:17:41.251 --> 01:17:42.451
This one's doing a handstand.

01:17:43.731 --> 01:17:44.112
Oh, yeah.

01:17:44.231 --> 01:17:44.431
Yep.

01:17:44.893 --> 01:17:45.493
Okay.

01:17:45.752 --> 01:17:46.132
Legit.

01:17:47.953 --> 01:17:48.875
Well, yeah.

01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:51.841
they're pretty dumb I mean

01:17:51.860 --> 01:17:53.983
so so your your argument is

01:17:54.063 --> 01:17:55.002
essentially like the

01:17:55.064 --> 01:17:56.864
children of man alfonso

01:17:56.965 --> 01:17:59.405
couron you know the absence

01:17:59.606 --> 01:18:01.368
the absence of rearing of

01:18:01.448 --> 01:18:03.448
offspring is a kind of

01:18:03.529 --> 01:18:06.310
metaphorical sign of the

01:18:06.411 --> 01:18:08.011
absence of hope the absence

01:18:08.032 --> 01:18:09.172
of belief in the future

01:18:09.833 --> 01:18:10.573
that they should be

01:18:10.713 --> 01:18:11.935
punished for their own

01:18:12.034 --> 01:18:14.096
hopelessness I think we

01:18:14.117 --> 01:18:14.837
could just leave them to

01:18:14.877 --> 01:18:15.858
their own devices and they

01:18:15.877 --> 01:18:17.078
wouldn't exterminate themselves

01:18:17.759 --> 01:18:19.780
I think with most species,

01:18:20.162 --> 01:18:21.262
with most species,

01:18:21.643 --> 01:18:22.944
they're fucked because of us.

01:18:23.824 --> 01:18:24.865
Pandas are the opposite.

01:18:24.926 --> 01:18:26.228
And we can't get back to the

01:18:26.387 --> 01:18:29.211
episode title to fuck the pandas.

01:18:29.230 --> 01:18:32.573
Here is an interesting title

01:18:32.613 --> 01:18:33.534
for a blog post.

01:18:34.336 --> 01:18:36.557
Pandas use scent trees to

01:18:36.637 --> 01:18:39.862
network like Facebook, study reveals.

01:18:42.574 --> 01:18:44.277
There's definitely two titles there,

01:18:44.296 --> 01:18:44.557
aren't there?

01:18:44.597 --> 01:18:45.498
There's the one that the

01:18:45.538 --> 01:18:46.760
person originally wrote,

01:18:46.859 --> 01:18:47.720
and then there's the bit

01:18:47.761 --> 01:18:49.042
that their editor told them

01:18:49.082 --> 01:18:50.283
to jab on the end.

01:18:53.809 --> 01:18:55.069
I have often thought that

01:18:55.250 --> 01:18:56.431
being on Facebook was like

01:18:56.471 --> 01:18:57.632
doing a shit onto your own

01:18:57.693 --> 01:18:59.015
face while doing a handstand.

01:19:01.481 --> 01:19:02.362
I mean, that checks out.

01:19:02.863 --> 01:19:04.203
I found out the other day

01:19:04.384 --> 01:19:07.664
that there's a group I need

01:19:07.704 --> 01:19:08.826
to join in order to get

01:19:08.865 --> 01:19:09.485
some information on

01:19:09.525 --> 01:19:10.247
something that's happening.

01:19:11.006 --> 01:19:13.387
And the only place it exists,

01:19:13.708 --> 01:19:16.350
like it's fucking 2007,

01:19:16.350 --> 01:19:17.770
is in a Facebook group.

01:19:18.291 --> 01:19:20.231
And I long ago deleted my account.

01:19:20.692 --> 01:19:21.773
So I'm going to have to

01:19:21.792 --> 01:19:23.113
literally... This is like...

01:19:24.019 --> 01:19:25.460
I delete my Twitter account.

01:19:25.500 --> 01:19:27.081
And then when I got into crypto,

01:19:27.440 --> 01:19:28.921
I had to get a Twitter account again.

01:19:28.942 --> 01:19:30.002
So I had to create a burner one.

01:19:30.021 --> 01:19:30.802
And then that became

01:19:31.443 --> 01:19:33.024
actually important to our work.

01:19:33.083 --> 01:19:33.783
And then I ended up having

01:19:33.804 --> 01:19:34.625
to be on Twitter again.

01:19:34.685 --> 01:19:35.926
The one thing I didn't want.

01:19:35.945 --> 01:19:37.827
It's exactly the same thing.

01:19:37.846 --> 01:19:38.506
You can't escape.

01:19:38.646 --> 01:19:39.368
It's almost like these

01:19:39.507 --> 01:19:40.667
networks of social

01:19:40.707 --> 01:19:41.988
connections are really hard.

01:19:42.930 --> 01:19:43.909
They start as a network and

01:19:43.930 --> 01:19:44.649
they become a web.

01:19:44.670 --> 01:19:47.471
A web that,

01:19:47.832 --> 01:19:48.932
like that awful film that's

01:19:48.953 --> 01:19:50.333
just come out that everybody's rubbishing,

01:19:50.373 --> 01:19:51.253
including the people in it.

01:19:52.135 --> 01:19:52.734
Madame Web.

01:19:53.833 --> 01:19:54.873
You join a network and it

01:19:54.913 --> 01:19:55.974
becomes Madhav Web.

01:19:56.434 --> 01:19:57.114
It's a shit show.

01:19:57.135 --> 01:19:57.194
Huh.

01:20:00.494 --> 01:20:00.734
Huh.

01:20:01.855 --> 01:20:03.115
Are you still looking at

01:20:03.136 --> 01:20:04.115
pictures of pandas pissing

01:20:04.136 --> 01:20:04.716
themselves now?

01:20:04.735 --> 01:20:06.036
No,

01:20:06.055 --> 01:20:08.396
I was just reading Rama's comment here.

01:20:08.417 --> 01:20:11.716
It says, I'd mark the trees so high,

01:20:11.737 --> 01:20:13.818
especially after a good Indian carry.

01:20:16.917 --> 01:20:17.819
I could have done some tree

01:20:17.859 --> 01:20:19.118
marking myself the other night.

01:20:19.538 --> 01:20:19.918
Homemade.

01:20:20.979 --> 01:20:23.942
If you are having a very

01:20:24.122 --> 01:20:27.685
explosive bowel movement after curry,

01:20:27.905 --> 01:20:29.328
might I suggest that you

01:20:32.411 --> 01:20:33.731
find a better restaurant?

01:20:33.811 --> 01:20:35.573
Because probably there's

01:20:35.793 --> 01:20:37.155
either an excess of oil or

01:20:37.195 --> 01:20:39.518
an excess of fennel in the cooking.

01:20:40.078 --> 01:20:42.581
Or not enough of either.

01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:44.203
Yeah.

01:20:45.309 --> 01:20:45.908
Well, actually,

01:20:45.929 --> 01:20:46.770
so the other problem could

01:20:46.810 --> 01:20:47.789
be that there's quite a bit

01:20:47.829 --> 01:20:48.590
of chili in there,

01:20:48.689 --> 01:20:49.871
and you might actually be

01:20:49.890 --> 01:20:51.711
either allergic or intolerant to it,

01:20:52.152 --> 01:20:53.032
which is why your body's

01:20:53.051 --> 01:20:53.692
trying to get rid of it.

01:20:53.771 --> 01:20:55.332
In which case, you know,

01:20:56.432 --> 01:20:57.233
that would be really bad

01:20:57.273 --> 01:20:58.394
for you because chili's great.

01:20:59.173 --> 01:21:03.435
But, you know, I can't help you there.

01:21:03.496 --> 01:21:06.997
I'm not a dietitian.

01:21:07.676 --> 01:21:09.698
No, it would be like gastroenterology.

01:21:09.917 --> 01:21:10.257
Sorry.

01:21:14.898 --> 01:21:16.118
which you seem to be like

01:21:16.158 --> 01:21:19.622
about to die on a sword next to it.

01:21:19.641 --> 01:21:23.605
So looking forward for the next few weeks,

01:21:23.886 --> 01:21:26.368
we are going to have Zion on here,

01:21:26.887 --> 01:21:27.689
bit of alpha.

01:21:29.770 --> 01:21:30.652
The guys are going to come

01:21:30.752 --> 01:21:32.372
on and chat with us,

01:21:32.533 --> 01:21:33.594
probably sit in the corner

01:21:33.634 --> 01:21:34.875
quietly while we talk about

01:21:34.935 --> 01:21:36.256
shitting ourselves with curry.

01:21:37.016 --> 01:21:37.377
But yeah,

01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:40.600
I do actually find Zion quite interesting.

01:21:41.939 --> 01:21:42.960
Zion, I believe it's called.

01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:45.020
So it's a kind of structure.

01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:46.701
I'm struggling with the name here.

01:21:47.240 --> 01:21:48.780
Like Zion as in?

01:21:49.782 --> 01:21:50.021
Zion.

01:21:50.101 --> 01:21:50.341
Okay.

01:21:50.782 --> 01:21:52.981
So literally as in Zion.

01:21:54.103 --> 01:21:56.243
So will the people be Zionists?

01:21:56.943 --> 01:21:58.182
Why do they pick that name?

01:22:00.104 --> 01:22:00.884
Do they really like the

01:22:00.923 --> 01:22:01.823
matrix and they're just

01:22:01.863 --> 01:22:03.444
completely unaware of any

01:22:03.484 --> 01:22:05.064
of the other implications of the word?

01:22:06.931 --> 01:22:07.872
Perhaps, I don't know.

01:22:07.891 --> 01:22:13.077
Do they really look like Snoop Dogg?

01:22:13.136 --> 01:22:15.439
And they just did a very, very, very,

01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:16.961
very shallow investigation

01:22:17.001 --> 01:22:18.823
of what Rastafarianism is and went,

01:22:19.363 --> 01:22:22.546
that word will do.

01:22:22.586 --> 01:22:23.606
They could have been

01:22:23.627 --> 01:22:24.927
inspired by the Bob Marley film.

01:22:25.868 --> 01:22:27.171
So despite the name... Or

01:22:27.831 --> 01:22:28.652
has that just come out?

01:22:29.246 --> 01:22:29.445
Look,

01:22:29.826 --> 01:22:31.146
you will have plenty of time to ask

01:22:31.186 --> 01:22:33.148
them when they come on on the 13th.

01:22:33.668 --> 01:22:34.509
But anyway,

01:22:34.649 --> 01:22:36.289
I actually find this chain

01:22:36.329 --> 01:22:38.251
quite interesting with the

01:22:38.931 --> 01:22:39.931
account abstraction.

01:22:40.372 --> 01:22:42.594
There is like no, well,

01:22:42.634 --> 01:22:43.715
you can have a seed phrase,

01:22:43.734 --> 01:22:46.315
but you can also use email

01:22:46.355 --> 01:22:48.197
addresses and other stuff

01:22:48.677 --> 01:22:50.319
for account verification.

01:22:50.378 --> 01:22:52.600
It's pretty interesting from

01:22:52.619 --> 01:22:53.780
a user perspective anyway.

01:22:54.180 --> 01:22:54.841
So like SWE?

01:22:56.622 --> 01:22:57.422
Sure, like SWE.

01:22:58.023 --> 01:22:58.884
Don't know, I've never used SWE.

01:23:00.681 --> 01:23:03.783
You can basically log in with a Gmail.

01:23:05.264 --> 01:23:05.564
Oh, yeah.

01:23:05.604 --> 01:23:06.444
Well, I mean, this one,

01:23:06.463 --> 01:23:09.944
I believe you can log in with many, many,

01:23:10.045 --> 01:23:11.485
many different things.

01:23:12.706 --> 01:23:13.726
But yeah.

01:23:13.787 --> 01:23:15.766
It'll be any OAuth provider.

01:23:15.966 --> 01:23:19.068
So same as SWE, probably.

01:23:19.127 --> 01:23:19.448
Really?

01:23:20.488 --> 01:23:20.649
Yeah.

01:23:22.029 --> 01:23:23.229
Well, you can bring that up.

01:23:23.909 --> 01:23:25.289
It's the new hotness.

01:23:25.791 --> 01:23:26.591
It's the new hotness.

01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:29.739
Well, so, so like I said,

01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:31.480
like my knowledge is like super,

01:23:31.761 --> 01:23:33.442
like the one thing that pricks up my ears,

01:23:33.462 --> 01:23:35.323
anything to do with privacy and identity,

01:23:35.682 --> 01:23:36.283
and then I'm in.

01:23:36.983 --> 01:23:38.984
And so I know that one of the things that,

01:23:39.145 --> 01:23:42.666
that is, that is hot right now is, uh,

01:23:42.747 --> 01:23:47.408
is using an OIDC type providers to on.

01:23:49.430 --> 01:23:50.970
So the reason people are doing it right.

01:23:51.011 --> 01:23:52.231
Is to onboard users without

01:23:52.252 --> 01:23:54.332
them having to do the

01:23:54.533 --> 01:23:56.613
shaker with private keys and stuff.

01:23:56.654 --> 01:23:56.814
Right.

01:23:58.873 --> 01:24:00.475
But depending on how you implement it,

01:24:00.534 --> 01:24:01.935
there's an additional benefit,

01:24:02.036 --> 01:24:06.157
which is almost unintentional actually,

01:24:06.278 --> 01:24:08.257
which is that you can break

01:24:08.337 --> 01:24:11.560
the link between identity and wallet.

01:24:13.440 --> 01:24:14.381
Because you don't,

01:24:15.282 --> 01:24:16.721
if you implement it in a particular way,

01:24:16.761 --> 01:24:17.983
you don't actually have to

01:24:18.063 --> 01:24:22.284
reveal that you are you

01:24:22.324 --> 01:24:24.185
don't ever have to put on chain anywhere.

01:24:24.757 --> 01:24:26.979
that you are that particular

01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:30.444
um identity because it's

01:24:30.503 --> 01:24:33.186
all done via the same token

01:24:33.567 --> 01:24:34.587
exchange mechanisms it

01:24:34.627 --> 01:24:36.649
would be with an untrusted

01:24:36.789 --> 01:24:38.612
website like so I could

01:24:38.692 --> 01:24:39.813
sign there are websites I

01:24:39.853 --> 01:24:40.895
don't trust where I can

01:24:40.994 --> 01:24:42.555
sign in using my github

01:24:43.737 --> 01:24:45.078
user account right using

01:24:45.139 --> 01:24:46.881
oauth same thing where

01:24:47.461 --> 01:24:49.582
they get a token that will

01:24:49.643 --> 01:24:50.645
authenticate me for that

01:24:50.704 --> 01:24:51.565
session and they can they

01:24:51.586 --> 01:24:52.265
can store that something

01:24:52.286 --> 01:24:53.488
but it doesn't actually

01:24:53.887 --> 01:24:54.908
contain any information

01:24:54.929 --> 01:24:57.452
with me about me um well

01:24:57.471 --> 01:24:58.853
actually the it's a bit

01:24:58.893 --> 01:24:59.594
more complicated than that

01:24:59.634 --> 01:25:00.435
but that's conceptually how

01:25:00.454 --> 01:25:02.516
it works um and so like

01:25:02.556 --> 01:25:03.998
there's there's similar

01:25:04.059 --> 01:25:05.699
things at play with this

01:25:05.940 --> 01:25:06.921
kind of system and you can

01:25:06.981 --> 01:25:08.884
get a similar kind of um

01:25:11.444 --> 01:25:14.507
separation of an account and

01:25:14.707 --> 01:25:19.612
a uh a north identity

01:25:19.652 --> 01:25:21.493
provider or whatever um so

01:25:21.533 --> 01:25:22.894
it's kind of interesting um

01:25:23.454 --> 01:25:25.015
depends the the really

01:25:25.036 --> 01:25:25.796
interesting thing is if you

01:25:26.277 --> 01:25:27.417
what kind of security model

01:25:27.438 --> 01:25:28.578
you have in your chain

01:25:28.979 --> 01:25:30.501
abstraction as well because

01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:31.560
you can give more or less

01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:35.064
privacy basically I'm not

01:25:35.083 --> 01:25:35.984
an expert on it because

01:25:36.005 --> 01:25:37.126
there's some cryptography

01:25:37.166 --> 01:25:38.127
involved and that's not my uh

01:25:39.743 --> 01:25:41.225
bit big brain for me but I

01:25:42.966 --> 01:25:45.409
just know that bit well I

01:25:45.470 --> 01:25:46.511
do not know much about it

01:25:46.690 --> 01:25:48.032
looking forward to uh

01:25:48.131 --> 01:25:49.052
learning some about it

01:25:49.092 --> 01:25:50.595
though I mean I used it in

01:25:50.635 --> 01:25:51.916
the in the test net and it

01:25:51.956 --> 01:25:57.020
was quite good it works so

01:25:58.261 --> 01:26:00.404
can you look up so if you

01:26:00.444 --> 01:26:01.164
wanted to look up your

01:26:01.185 --> 01:26:02.206
balance how do you look it up

01:26:03.729 --> 01:26:06.011
so you just log in basically

01:26:06.091 --> 01:26:08.935
so um but are other

01:26:08.954 --> 01:26:10.256
people's balances public is

01:26:10.277 --> 01:26:12.779
what I mean other people's

01:26:12.819 --> 01:26:14.981
accounts I i don't know I

01:26:15.002 --> 01:26:16.463
get like presumably there's

01:26:16.484 --> 01:26:17.265
an explorer of some

01:26:17.284 --> 01:26:18.706
description the extent of

01:26:18.746 --> 01:26:21.448
my use was that I went to a website

01:26:22.417 --> 01:26:23.738
I logged in with my email

01:26:24.498 --> 01:26:25.800
and then I made some like

01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:27.261
swaps and stuff on the test

01:26:27.301 --> 01:26:29.181
net just to play around with it.

01:26:29.282 --> 01:26:31.804
But I didn't actually find a

01:26:31.884 --> 01:26:33.564
browser or anything to look through.

01:26:35.405 --> 01:26:37.407
But presumably it would be

01:26:37.567 --> 01:26:41.128
like every other Cosmos chain.

01:26:41.288 --> 01:26:42.750
You could probably use, you know,

01:26:42.829 --> 01:26:43.970
a Mint scan based type

01:26:43.990 --> 01:26:46.912
browser with account numbers and stuff.

01:26:46.971 --> 01:26:47.351
It's just,

01:26:47.493 --> 01:26:48.693
I guess the authentication

01:26:48.733 --> 01:26:51.675
behind the account numbers is different.

01:26:54.890 --> 01:26:55.869
yeah well that's that's the

01:26:55.890 --> 01:26:56.831
question isn't it just how

01:26:56.871 --> 01:26:57.751
much they how much they're

01:26:57.770 --> 01:27:01.551
storing I suppose yeah I

01:27:01.591 --> 01:27:03.853
mean yeah again ask them

01:27:03.893 --> 01:27:05.533
all about it uh when they

01:27:05.554 --> 01:27:16.358
come on so okay I will do thank you now