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It went from 20 grand a month to like $9.

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5 cents a month.

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You gotta go with what's cheapest, right?

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That's economics.

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That's business, baby.

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Is that the new business plan?

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100%.

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It's funny when you look

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across all of the node

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stats in Cosmos and

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everyone's always bitching.

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They're like, don't use fucking Hetzner.

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It's against their policy.

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Then you just look at the

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node stats and it's just

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fucking Hetzner. ...

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hello and welcome to game of

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nodes weekly podcast on

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things by independent validator teams uh

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So, okay, right.

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Obviously,

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we were talking about Hetzner in

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the pre-chat.

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You should change that

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introduction now to just

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like the weekly podcast on MISC.

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It's very important that we

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gradually slide away from

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any coherent introduction.

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It needs to be a very gradual...

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Slow march into nonsense-ness.

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I mean, yeah.

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Isn't that literally the

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market we find ourselves in?

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You go in all bright,

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bright eyed and, and inspired and,

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and like hopeful and, you know,

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with a slightly elevated

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appetite for risk.

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And, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's,

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it's, yeah, it's, well, yeah, it's good.

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You know, it's fine.

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We've been back in the bear for 12 hours.

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So fuck.

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Yeah.

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Fuck.

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Were we ever in a bull?

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A couple of days.

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Really?

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Sorry,

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isn't it only a pool when there's

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two successive quarters?

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Isn't that like the definition?

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It hasn't been two successive quarters.

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It's been at least one quarter, hasn't it?

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Has it?

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We don't look at long-term trends here.

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We look at daily trends.

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We fall in and out of bears by the hour.

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Yes, of course.

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I forget that we are dealing

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with a quite volatile asset.

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Crypto is amazing.

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It's a something.

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It's a something.

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It's a thing.

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It's a thing.

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It's been a shit show lately, though.

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So on the Hetzner thing, though,

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it's actually not against

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their terms and conditions.

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It is.

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No, it's not.

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Mining is.

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Mining is, yeah.

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They started making it more specific,

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yeah.

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Oh,

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before it was any... It used to be... I

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don't remember the exact text.

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It was mining,

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but then they defined mining

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as any proof-of-stake node.

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So unless they changed that,

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that's how it used to be defined.

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I think they did.

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And a couple other providers have as well.

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Like we just went to go

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verify with one of

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LeaseWeb's many subsidiaries.

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And they're like,

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you're super awesome with

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crypto if you're doing proof of stake.

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If you're doing mining,

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you can shove right off.

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You can get out.

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You can get out.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, definitely.

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When we first signed up with OVH,

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we talked to our guy there and we're like,

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we're a validator on proof of stake.

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And he's like, we don't care.

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But Hetzner kicked all the

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Solana validators off.

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That's like, what, a year ago?

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I think there's... I'm

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pretty sure it is against

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the terms on Hetzner.

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That's proof of stake, right?

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Yeah.

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Or maybe they just want the

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ability to remove it.

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Maybe if it's... They want

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the right to be able to

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remove those nodes,

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even though they might not

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take action on it.

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That's what I always assumed

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that they would do.

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They won't even take

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business from my company

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because it's got fucking

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blockchain in the name.

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I was like, why can't I make an account,

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sir?

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And they're like, we refuse to comment.

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You just can't.

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We saw your show.

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We know you, you fucking Australian guy.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, I've been...

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I don't want to say discriminated against,

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but that's how it feels.

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It's not discrimination

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because you chose a dumb company name.

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Crypto validator is not a protected class.

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Yeah.

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Next time I'm making a

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company name to do with

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something that people might not like,

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I'm going to call it

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something like Fluffy

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Beanbags Incorporated.

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Ink.

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Ink.

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You know, honestly, next,

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next company name, like, cause,

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cause I've w w when, when I started this,

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we were, we were a consultancy,

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obviously not, um,

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not doing anything in crypto,

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but I inadvertently

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followed the crypto naming convention,

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right?

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Which is you take a concept

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from the last science

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fiction book you read,

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and then you take labs.

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bam there you go that's it

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you just grab grab

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something labs hey you're

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done right uh next time I

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would call it like fucking

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abc and then a street name

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like abc hardman limited it

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would just be like a

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complete hardman is the

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name of a square in um

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hardman square is in

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liverpool I think that was uh

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a little Easter egg for some

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of our viewers who I know

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are in the north of England

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and might know where they are.

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I wonder if I can... There's

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actually a Harvard Square in Leeds,

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I think, as well.

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Sorry.

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Do you think you could

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register 0x company?

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Maybe.

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My company name definitely

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backfires because everyone

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receives so much mail about

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like lavender because it's

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in my company name and so

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I'll receive stuff for like

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like the state will send me

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stuff about farming I'll

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get solicitors for like

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beekeepers like it's all

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this weird stuff that I

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really enjoy receiving

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because I'm like what zero

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x do not do not do that

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your problem is that your

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company's called big balls

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blockchain and you want to

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be called zero x legend

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you're still not going to

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get a fucking hetzner account

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you need to be called abc

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hardman which now I think

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about it sounds very like a

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hideo kojima villain but

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you know there's no way

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heads they're putting that

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together like zero x that's

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weird okay fucking stamp I

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don't think they care abc

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die hard man I bet you

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could probably you should

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try again you should see if

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they if they will reject it

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now go back in I've tried a

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couple of times but not for

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like a year or so yeah

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They're just like, no, thank you, sir.

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Fuck off.

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Allminers.com.

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And we're not telling you why.

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We don't have to.

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Proofofwork.com.

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P-O-W.

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Forward slash.

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Burning out hard drives.

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Burning CPUs.

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That's the one.

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That's the one.

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Yeah,

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I was talking to somebody the other

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day and they were like,

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so we had a couple of

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servers that we had on a,

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I thought they were like on

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a six-month contract.

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It turns out they were on a

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12-month contract.

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And you know when you go and

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do a server audit like a

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week after the renewal has

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gone through and then you find that out,

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you're like,

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can't believe we just did

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that um I was talking to

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somebody the other day who

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needed some some boxes for

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just something and I was

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just like oh you know what

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this is we've got we've got

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a couple that they're

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literally gonna be doing

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nothing for the next eight

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months go go ahead and I

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was so enthusiastic about

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you know hey yeah you can

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just use these boxes that I

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i think they genuinely

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thought that there must be

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like I mean my only

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ulterior motive is that

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yeah somebody may as well

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get some value out of them

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right we're not using them

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and they're not powerful

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enough for aptos um and I

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think uh I was so

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enthusiastic to offer free

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web servers to this guy

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that uh I think I freaked

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him out a little bit and

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and he was just like okay

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cool bad yeah I'll let you

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know and then it's cool yeah

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It's like, yeah,

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everybody on the net does it for free,

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but okay, we'll take it.

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Yeah, whatever.

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I'm just trying to be helpful.

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We've fucking paid for these

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for the next eight months.

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You need them for a couple of weeks.

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Be my guest.

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Thrash the CPUs.

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Speaking of Aptos,

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I was just looking at the

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Explorer because you guys

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were talking about getting

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some stuff unbonded.

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I didn't realize that the

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actual uptime percentage...

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of the overall set,

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I think has really gone down.

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Like there's a lot of 99s.

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Actually,

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the only people that have 100%

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uptime are the people on this call,

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I think is basically.

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Everybody is.

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Is that true?

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And Polkachu and Stakely.

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Stakely does a good job.

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Like they also do labs and

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they're a good operator.

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Like he and I,

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are like right next to each

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other in terms of um like

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we we basically like we're

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100 tied um and then and

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then everybody else staking

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cabin and everybody beware

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occasionally like they're

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100 right now but I've seen

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them in the 99s all the time

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And Lavender's usually 100.

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And Polka Chews usually

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right around there.

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And that's it.

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Are we still about networking or location?

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Because I know some of the

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APAC folks like to seem to have endless.

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No, well, I mean, no, I mean,

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Dublin and London and

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doesn't seem like it's a network.

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Netherlands, Dublin, Montreal,

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Tokyo has 100% that state and Canada.

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I'll tell you what I have noticed.

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We're proposing more since

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we migrated to new hardware.

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Yeah, I think we are too.

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I don't know why exactly.

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Yeah, I don't know why.

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It's one of those where I

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would like to understand why this... Well,

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I guess because the

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migration has been rolling.

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I think there's only like 80%, I think,

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now are migrated.

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So maybe it's simply that you're just...

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proposing more often because

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the node checks out as more

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healthy on average on some

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kind of time-weighted scale.

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But that's not how the

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leader election works.

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It's all network-bound,

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is my understanding.

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The commitment of the time

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window and the gossiping,

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which will come in Quorum's store,

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I guess has a CPU component.

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My understanding of the

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networking bit is entirely like...

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you know, it, it,

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it's a leader election for

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a healthy node.

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They're all healthy.

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99% is healthy, you know?

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And that, I mean, these are health.

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I mean, the,

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you have to miss three props in a row,

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right.

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And you get kicked out of being, uh,

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you get kicked out of

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either signing or being

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available to propose.

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Right.

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Um, and, but, but I haven't, I mean,

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these numbers are, I mean, these, I mean,

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they're all 99.9 something, right.

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They're not like awful.

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They're not, I mean,

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there's some in here that

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are pretty shit.

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Um,

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But for the most part, they're not.

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I mean, they're not terrible.

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But I've also seen it like, actually,

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I can go look at the stats,

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but I think we're up like maybe 4% or 5%,

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6% since we moved to new hardware,

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like overall, something like that.

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That sounds similar.

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So another really interesting,

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like when we're talking

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about missing proposals, I guess,

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in Aptos land, but in Cosmos,

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I've been pulling a bunch

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of data over the last few

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days for voting power.

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And what I noticed was on a

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number of different chains, yeah,

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this could be because of

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the timeout window, obviously.

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But when I was pulling block

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height data for specific networks,

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the number of networks

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where not every validator

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is signing every block and

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they're just absent.

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I'd check one block,

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I'd check the block after,

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I'd check the block after that.

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And, you know, I have a vowel set of 150,

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let's say.

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There are 146 actual entries

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in the block height metadata.

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So, like, actual signatures, like,

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rather than complete absences.

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I mean, I guess, like, implicitly,

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the absence must be a null value.

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I'd actually have to look at

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the implementation too.

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But I assume the absence is a nil vote,

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right?

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If you hit the timeout

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window and literally

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nothing has arrived from you,

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so you are Byzantine, so you're down.

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You missed the pre-commit

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and you missed the vote.

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Actually, that's a good point.

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Actually, no,

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I don't think it is a nil

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vote because a nil vote is

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I'm present and I've nil

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voted for some reason.

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Is that a thing?

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Yeah, so if there's a... So if...

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Yeah,

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so it's valid to not vote for the

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current block because of a

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reason in the state machine.

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Okay.

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But you might be completely

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absent from the voting rounds,

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which is if you're absent, you're down.

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So I could nil vote.

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That's a straight and miss.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So I could nil vote and say,

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I'm not voting for any of these.

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And as long as the block is committed,

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my understanding is I would

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nil vote and I need to

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include my unique

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identifier from the uptime window,

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whenever that is, like 13 hours ago,

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saying, by the way,

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I'm going to continue being up.

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I have been up in the past.

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I know this unique number.

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I continue being up.

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But you can nil vote on the block,

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which I think is just that you...

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Again, I have to look it up.

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I think you just don't pass

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judgment on the block and

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you're not counted as part of the 66.7%.

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Maybe somebody else who's

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more familiar with

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Tendermint could confirm that.

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So back to why were you

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pulling these stats?

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What are you looking at?

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Centralization.

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Ultimately, it will be over time.

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I'll run the script a few more times.

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I'll run the script a few

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more times in the future and just see...

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whether there is any change.

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What was interesting, though,

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is that even so,

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in order just to have a

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really friendly thing to look at,

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I screenshotted Mint Scan

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before I started.

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And in the time between

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screenshotting Mint Scan

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and then just actually

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downloading a bunch of binaries,

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building them on a machine,

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and then making a bunch of

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RPC calls to collect some data,

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some of the validator sets

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actually shifted reasonably

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substantially in voting power.

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So I think there's two things going on.

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I think the Mint Scan UI is

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actually time-weighted.

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So when it says, like,

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this validator has X percentage,

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it's from a cache.

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It's either from a cache, like,

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or an indexer, or it's time-weighted,

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because obviously it shifts

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a lot just block to block

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with new people writing auto-compounders,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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So just the number you see in the UI is...

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My understanding is the

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number you see in the UI is correct,

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but say their voting power

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is actually either from a

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catch or it's time-weighted.

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Because I saw like a top

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five validator on one chain

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have a re-delegation of like 500K tokens,

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something like that,

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in like a 30-minute window

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between me taking the

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screenshot and running

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the... So I pulled the data

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and I saw the state of the

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top five and I was like, oh,

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I've pulled this data wrong

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because this number is like...

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a million different or

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something were you pulling

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off the were you but that

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could be min scan caching

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like they might be only

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checking that vp power

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every six hours or

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something right so min scan

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is min scan indexing that

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and just doing whatever right

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Yeah,

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I think it's either cashing or

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they're sort of waiting it

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over time to say, okay,

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in the last few hours,

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this has been their average

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weight in case there are

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changes or something like that.

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Or maybe it's just a

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straight cash bust issue.

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I checked back a few hours

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later and it appeared to

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have trended downwards for

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that voting power and the

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other validator trended upwards.

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But I still had like a quite,

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I still have one or two

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percentage points once I'd

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done the math difference.

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Which one or two percentage

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points of voting power when

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your voting power is already over 10%.

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It's not the end of the world,

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but it is different.

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And I was like,

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that's interesting because

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looking at the data I'm

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pulling off the chain live,

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and looking at their ui the

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number if you look at the

0:17:01.759 --> 0:17:04.060
validator's actual um page

0:17:04.101 --> 0:17:04.780
which shows the block

0:17:04.820 --> 0:17:07.382
misses the number that they

0:17:07.422 --> 0:17:08.561
were reporting at a block

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height and the number I was

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seeing was essentially the

0:17:11.542 --> 0:17:13.103
same you know a couple of

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tokens out here and there

0:17:14.903 --> 0:17:17.144
because the the page was

0:17:17.183 --> 0:17:19.265
refreshing right so yeah it

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wasn't exactly the same

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block because of the nature

0:17:21.125 --> 0:17:22.566
of it but it's close enough

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Um,

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but we were coming up with a different

0:17:26.421 --> 0:17:27.500
number for the actual

0:17:27.540 --> 0:17:28.981
voting power center.

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So I don't know that there's

0:17:30.362 --> 0:17:31.083
something going on there.

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I don't know if that's the,

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I don't know if there's

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something that is because I

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guess I'm looking at a single block,

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right?

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So the voting power on that

0:17:41.288 --> 0:17:44.729
block is whoever is current.

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Hmm.

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It's no, is it,

0:17:48.070 --> 0:17:50.192
is it whoever's currently non Byzantine?

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No, it's the total weight of stake,

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isn't it?

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It's the total weight of stake,

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including Byzantine, isn't it?

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Uh, it's too much this early in the show.

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So, so, so say,

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say I've got 150 validators, right?

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And two of them missing,

0:18:07.318 --> 0:18:09.079
which was a pattern I saw very often,

0:18:09.099 --> 0:18:10.200
like two to five were

0:18:10.220 --> 0:18:11.500
missing on a given block

0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:12.760
because they're down or

0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:13.721
maintenance or whatever.

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Yeah.

0:18:16.781 --> 0:18:17.142
Those,

0:18:17.321 --> 0:18:18.583
if you add together all the

0:18:18.623 --> 0:18:20.663
delegation shares from all

0:18:20.702 --> 0:18:21.423
those validators,

0:18:21.463 --> 0:18:22.644
you can't arrive at a number.

0:18:23.766 --> 0:18:24.906
but that number is going to

0:18:24.926 --> 0:18:28.167
be lower than the total staked.

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Yeah.

0:18:30.509 --> 0:18:30.890
Because,

0:18:31.029 --> 0:18:32.431
because you have to include the

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validators that are

0:18:33.171 --> 0:18:35.632
currently absent or ostensibly.

0:18:35.652 --> 0:18:35.811
Yeah.

0:18:35.872 --> 0:18:36.032
I mean,

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there'll be part of the non-voting piece,

0:18:37.752 --> 0:18:38.294
right?

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That's how you get.

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Maybe that's the 1%,

0:18:40.554 --> 0:18:43.096
2% difference that I saw probably is.

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I should check that.

0:18:44.896 --> 0:18:46.038
I should check that before I

0:18:46.097 --> 0:18:47.538
like say to anybody, by the way,

0:18:47.618 --> 0:18:49.180
this is like some definitive data,

0:18:49.220 --> 0:18:49.559
shouldn't I?

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But still,

0:18:51.078 --> 0:18:52.980
I don't know if I'm following

0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:54.862
because those validators

0:18:54.922 --> 0:18:56.824
are not voting for that block.

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Their VP is still counted

0:18:59.046 --> 0:19:00.047
because it would be part of

0:19:00.086 --> 0:19:01.488
the down stake where if those,

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if 33% are down.

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Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Right, yeah.

0:19:06.211 --> 0:19:07.472
yeah yeah I think I think

0:19:07.512 --> 0:19:08.212
what I was doing was

0:19:08.232 --> 0:19:09.013
looking at minscan and

0:19:09.034 --> 0:19:10.054
being like this seems a

0:19:10.094 --> 0:19:11.355
little bit off because

0:19:12.095 --> 0:19:12.816
obviously I can literally

0:19:12.836 --> 0:19:15.416
just do like using jq if

0:19:15.457 --> 0:19:16.538
you like I didn't realize

0:19:16.597 --> 0:19:17.278
you could do you could

0:19:17.317 --> 0:19:19.980
abuse jq to the extent that

0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.599
I did yesterday I was just

0:19:21.621 --> 0:19:23.300
like oh you could just do a

0:19:23.421 --> 0:19:25.702
map operation and then a sub operation

0:19:26.991 --> 0:19:29.032
you can this is this is so

0:19:29.053 --> 0:19:31.353
much jq abuse you can do

0:19:31.393 --> 0:19:33.192
like the I'll tell you what

0:19:33.252 --> 0:19:34.374
though the math was wrong

0:19:34.653 --> 0:19:36.394
so uh so I'll be careful

0:19:36.413 --> 0:19:37.973
I'll be careful about that

0:19:38.375 --> 0:19:39.515
doesn't handle big integers

0:19:39.555 --> 0:19:41.494
very well which I mean go

0:19:41.515 --> 0:19:42.996
figure right ben davis

0:19:43.016 --> 0:19:43.935
gives us a massive

0:19:43.976 --> 0:19:45.036
compliment calling us some

0:19:45.056 --> 0:19:45.736
of the best validators

0:19:45.895 --> 0:19:47.076
thank you ben I appreciate that

0:19:49.998 --> 0:19:53.980
oh dear um he mentions yeah

0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.702
he said uh best validated

0:19:56.843 --> 0:19:59.365
datas and uh confidence in

0:20:00.026 --> 0:20:01.707
the one sentence you should

0:20:01.727 --> 0:20:03.088
put that on our websites we

0:20:03.128 --> 0:20:04.710
should we should just quote

0:20:04.750 --> 0:20:07.211
part of that quoted perfect

0:20:07.972 --> 0:20:09.374
uh comments from game of

0:20:09.433 --> 0:20:12.195
nodes podcast uh just put

0:20:12.215 --> 0:20:12.836
that one on the website

0:20:13.413 --> 0:20:13.932
Oh, there you go.

0:20:13.972 --> 0:20:15.773
The min scan cache is one.

0:20:15.794 --> 0:20:16.773
So Reese in the chat,

0:20:16.894 --> 0:20:18.253
min scan caches once a day,

0:20:18.394 --> 0:20:19.575
some of all delegations,

0:20:20.154 --> 0:20:21.035
and then indexes the

0:20:21.075 --> 0:20:22.055
differences over time.

0:20:22.095 --> 0:20:23.935
So that probably accounts

0:20:23.976 --> 0:20:26.056
for the difference that we saw in the UI.

0:20:26.576 --> 0:20:27.557
That makes sense.

0:20:27.576 --> 0:20:28.336
So did you go back?

0:20:28.517 --> 0:20:29.997
Are you looking at older chains,

0:20:30.876 --> 0:20:32.157
like Juno and Stargaze and

0:20:32.178 --> 0:20:32.577
things like that?

0:20:32.597 --> 0:20:33.837
Or are you looking at newer ones?

0:20:33.877 --> 0:20:34.137
Yeah,

0:20:34.157 --> 0:20:37.699
just a random grab bag of chains that

0:20:37.838 --> 0:20:40.759
have a non-comedy...

0:20:42.180 --> 0:20:44.240
market cap, but I mean, a lot of,

0:20:46.082 --> 0:20:47.521
a lot of cosmos chains, market caps,

0:20:47.821 --> 0:20:48.762
relatively small,

0:20:48.803 --> 0:20:50.583
like in the tens of millions anyway, or,

0:20:50.784 --> 0:20:50.923
I mean,

0:20:50.943 --> 0:20:51.644
there's a couple of things that

0:20:51.663 --> 0:20:52.284
are launching soon.

0:20:52.304 --> 0:20:53.084
Like the model you should

0:20:53.104 --> 0:20:54.125
look at dimension.

0:20:54.144 --> 0:20:54.805
You should look at now.

0:20:54.845 --> 0:20:55.265
I mean,

0:20:55.285 --> 0:20:56.526
dimension would be fun to be able

0:20:56.546 --> 0:20:58.646
to do that from, from Genesis and then,

0:20:58.787 --> 0:21:00.507
and then graph that over time and see,

0:21:01.207 --> 0:21:01.847
see what that looks like.

0:21:02.167 --> 0:21:02.688
D Y D X,

0:21:02.708 --> 0:21:03.688
I think would be a good one to do too.

0:21:03.728 --> 0:21:03.968
I did.

0:21:04.048 --> 0:21:04.308
I did.

0:21:04.469 --> 0:21:04.669
I did.

0:21:04.709 --> 0:21:07.490
D Y D Y D X, uh, say.

0:21:07.509 --> 0:21:09.691
Evmos osmosis.

0:21:11.307 --> 0:21:12.809
the hub say never really got

0:21:12.950 --> 0:21:13.750
way out of whack.

0:21:14.631 --> 0:21:14.771
I mean,

0:21:14.791 --> 0:21:16.212
it's a small bell set tube and it's

0:21:16.393 --> 0:21:16.834
heavily,

0:21:16.993 --> 0:21:20.257
it's heavily foundation delegated there.

0:21:21.117 --> 0:21:21.218
Yeah.

0:21:21.238 --> 0:21:22.799
I mean, minus some big whales,

0:21:23.180 --> 0:21:24.381
very concentrated.

0:21:24.401 --> 0:21:26.884
I noticed some familiar names in the,

0:21:28.244 --> 0:21:29.326
in the concentration there.

0:21:29.826 --> 0:21:30.027
Yeah.

0:21:30.067 --> 0:21:30.366
Figment.

0:21:31.248 --> 0:21:31.448
Yeah.

0:21:31.509 --> 0:21:33.590
Familiar, familiar, tired names as well.

0:21:34.214 --> 0:21:37.496
Hey, fun story, though, for Figment,

0:21:37.976 --> 0:21:39.997
none of their delegations are foundation.

0:21:40.037 --> 0:21:41.376
They're all from their

0:21:41.417 --> 0:21:43.498
fucking custodial shit, probably.

0:21:43.518 --> 0:21:44.598
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:21:45.138 --> 0:21:46.719
But they're the top validator,

0:21:46.878 --> 0:21:49.640
and there's no way for any

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:50.580
validator to really get

0:21:50.621 --> 0:21:53.201
into the say set unless the

0:21:53.221 --> 0:21:55.761
say team says so, except Figment,

0:21:55.801 --> 0:21:57.063
that it's like, fuck.

0:21:58.864 --> 0:21:59.924
Are they custodial, do you know?

0:22:00.085 --> 0:22:00.786
Or are they just working

0:22:00.826 --> 0:22:02.086
with institutions that are custodial?

0:22:02.146 --> 0:22:02.267
No,

0:22:02.307 --> 0:22:03.728
I think they have a lot of custodial

0:22:03.748 --> 0:22:03.988
stuff.

0:22:04.208 --> 0:22:04.607
Oh, they do?

0:22:05.449 --> 0:22:07.711
But as well as institutional

0:22:07.770 --> 0:22:11.153
and VC delegators as well.

0:22:11.574 --> 0:22:13.255
But I'm pretty sure we had

0:22:13.275 --> 0:22:14.596
to expand the set for them

0:22:14.635 --> 0:22:16.277
because they just muscled

0:22:16.317 --> 0:22:17.337
their way in and kicked one

0:22:17.357 --> 0:22:18.278
of the other guys out.

0:22:18.499 --> 0:22:19.619
So I'm pretty sure at the

0:22:19.660 --> 0:22:22.082
start we had to expand it.

0:22:22.922 --> 0:22:24.503
39 to 40 or something like that.

0:22:24.523 --> 0:22:24.743
I forget.

0:22:24.903 --> 0:22:26.345
Well, no, I think it was like 36 to 38.

0:22:26.505 --> 0:22:28.006
I think that was,

0:22:28.185 --> 0:22:29.627
they wanted someone else to join.

0:22:29.667 --> 0:22:32.529
And then figment just said, I'm coming.

0:22:33.250 --> 0:22:33.411
Right.

0:22:33.730 --> 0:22:33.990
Yeah.

0:22:34.111 --> 0:22:34.451
I do.

0:22:34.491 --> 0:22:35.112
I don't know that.

0:22:35.712 --> 0:22:35.873
Yeah.

0:22:37.821 --> 0:22:39.723
they were they were um uh

0:22:39.923 --> 0:22:40.585
yeah there were genesis

0:22:40.605 --> 0:22:41.424
values that got booted out

0:22:41.464 --> 0:22:42.767
because of third-party

0:22:42.787 --> 0:22:43.727
investments coming in and

0:22:43.747 --> 0:22:44.607
actually I mean kudos to

0:22:44.627 --> 0:22:45.848
the say team for for doing

0:22:45.888 --> 0:22:46.529
something about that too

0:22:47.109 --> 0:22:48.852
right um because they

0:22:48.892 --> 0:22:49.833
actually slowed the network

0:22:50.472 --> 0:22:51.273
to be able to allow more

0:22:51.294 --> 0:22:52.736
validators in to be able to

0:22:53.195 --> 0:22:54.998
do that which is which is

0:22:55.057 --> 0:22:56.278
good I think that's that's

0:22:56.318 --> 0:22:58.820
positive right yeah I think

0:22:58.861 --> 0:23:00.342
it's say is a funny one

0:23:00.362 --> 0:23:01.303
because it's so fast but

0:23:01.343 --> 0:23:02.124
it's probably like

0:23:04.180 --> 0:23:06.141
I don't think they plan to do that again,

0:23:06.181 --> 0:23:06.361
though.

0:23:07.102 --> 0:23:07.961
I don't think there's anyone

0:23:08.001 --> 0:23:09.221
else who would be able to

0:23:09.261 --> 0:23:10.982
get that much tokens to

0:23:11.042 --> 0:23:12.144
make them do that again anyway.

0:23:13.463 --> 0:23:13.683
Well,

0:23:13.804 --> 0:23:15.505
unless the Foundation themselves add

0:23:15.704 --> 0:23:16.085
additionals.

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Yeah.

0:23:18.125 --> 0:23:18.506
Well, I mean,

0:23:18.527 --> 0:23:19.287
they've still got two

0:23:19.346 --> 0:23:20.326
validators they can drop

0:23:20.386 --> 0:23:20.948
out of there as well.

0:23:20.988 --> 0:23:21.867
I think that was the purpose

0:23:21.887 --> 0:23:23.848
of those is to just have

0:23:24.048 --> 0:23:25.589
stake that they didn't want

0:23:25.609 --> 0:23:26.650
delegated to anyone else

0:23:26.690 --> 0:23:28.050
yet and to just drop them

0:23:28.151 --> 0:23:28.830
out if they want to bring

0:23:28.871 --> 0:23:29.411
other people in.

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Yep.

0:23:30.612 --> 0:23:30.751
Yeah.

0:23:34.098 --> 0:23:34.359
It's good.

0:23:34.380 --> 0:23:36.082
Yeah.

0:23:36.102 --> 0:23:38.385
I don't know.

0:23:38.506 --> 0:23:40.490
Brahma's in the chat, fudding say,

0:23:40.529 --> 0:23:40.930
by the way.

0:23:41.811 --> 0:23:44.413
Yeah, he's big on FUD.

0:23:44.953 --> 0:23:46.454
Hey, kid, shut the fuck up.

0:23:49.196 --> 0:23:49.897
Number one fan.

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:55.182
STFU on it.

0:23:56.222 --> 0:23:58.183
I need a storage server.

0:23:58.203 --> 0:23:59.984
I need a storage server.

0:24:00.326 --> 0:24:01.385
New stuff's expensive.

0:24:01.807 --> 0:24:02.928
We're going secondhand here.

0:24:02.948 --> 0:24:04.469
I thought you built one.

0:24:05.269 --> 0:24:05.569
I did.

0:24:05.589 --> 0:24:06.910
I did, but I don't like it.

0:24:07.471 --> 0:24:09.372
So I've built the...

0:24:11.327 --> 0:24:12.749
So I built a very expensive

0:24:14.108 --> 0:24:16.710
Epic system with shitloads of NVMEs.

0:24:17.410 --> 0:24:18.830
That's running fantastically.

0:24:19.211 --> 0:24:20.632
Wouldn't, wouldn't change a thing,

0:24:21.251 --> 0:24:23.613
but I'm just,

0:24:24.252 --> 0:24:28.194
I need ZFS spinners and just

0:24:28.275 --> 0:24:30.236
working out the right formula for that is,

0:24:31.455 --> 0:24:31.736
you know,

0:24:31.855 --> 0:24:33.537
it's a task because sure you

0:24:33.557 --> 0:24:34.876
could just throw like, you know,

0:24:34.896 --> 0:24:36.238
a new Epic at it,

0:24:36.417 --> 0:24:37.438
but it's going to cost you

0:24:37.498 --> 0:24:38.378
fucking 20 grand.

0:24:38.398 --> 0:24:38.798
So yeah,

0:24:40.464 --> 0:24:41.605
I am looking at like,

0:24:42.586 --> 0:24:43.307
right now I'm looking at,

0:24:43.767 --> 0:24:46.188
I think the R740 XD

0:24:46.228 --> 0:24:47.449
platform is looking pretty good.

0:24:48.890 --> 0:24:49.569
What the hell is that?

0:24:50.631 --> 0:24:52.632
The Dell, Dell PowerEdge R740 extra depth.

0:24:52.652 --> 0:24:52.892
Yeah.

0:24:52.912 --> 0:24:56.253
Why don't you just buy a big

0:24:56.273 --> 0:24:57.433
super micro box and be done with it?

0:24:57.615 --> 0:24:59.134
Why don't you just rent that

0:24:59.174 --> 0:25:00.135
server from Hetzner?

0:25:05.028 --> 0:25:06.209
He suddenly got really excited.

0:25:06.269 --> 0:25:08.910
It's like, ooh, you don't say.

0:25:09.190 --> 0:25:11.671
Just buy a Supermicro Barebones.

0:25:12.411 --> 0:25:14.471
Get something with 24 slots on it.

0:25:16.071 --> 0:25:18.472
Throw a CPU in there.

0:25:18.932 --> 0:25:21.054
24 3.5 inch slots.

0:25:21.453 --> 0:25:22.153
Plus,

0:25:22.233 --> 0:25:23.694
and some of those now they do mixed

0:25:23.734 --> 0:25:25.875
where they do a couple, they do like,

0:25:26.135 --> 0:25:27.715
the one I saw is like four

0:25:27.736 --> 0:25:29.196
2.5s that are stacked so

0:25:29.217 --> 0:25:30.356
you can do NVMEs in there.

0:25:30.797 --> 0:25:31.718
And then they'll do 20

0:25:33.259 --> 0:25:34.761
like actual three and a half inch places.

0:25:35.182 --> 0:25:36.304
So you can boot off of like fast.

0:25:36.364 --> 0:25:38.465
I mean, depending on what your budget is,

0:25:38.686 --> 0:25:41.390
how many uses, how many, how many years,

0:25:41.650 --> 0:25:44.574
how many years, like three, two,

0:25:44.594 --> 0:25:45.434
you three, three,

0:25:45.454 --> 0:25:46.916
it'd be whatever the drive

0:25:46.957 --> 0:25:47.998
is on edge to you.

0:25:48.238 --> 0:25:48.999
It's to you box, right?

0:25:50.068 --> 0:25:53.771
So I think the 740 is a 2U.

0:25:54.472 --> 0:25:56.153
And there's no way you can fit more.

0:25:56.253 --> 0:25:59.457
You can't fit more than 12,

0:25:59.457 --> 0:26:00.278
three and a half inches

0:26:00.357 --> 0:26:01.979
into a fucking 2U.

0:26:01.999 --> 0:26:03.560
No, I think it's, no, you can get,

0:26:03.641 --> 0:26:05.461
isn't it 18 or something?

0:26:06.323 --> 0:26:08.085
You can get 24, two and a half inches,

0:26:08.545 --> 0:26:09.885
like all standing up,

0:26:10.105 --> 0:26:10.906
but they have to put three

0:26:10.926 --> 0:26:11.788
and a half flat and they

0:26:11.827 --> 0:26:13.169
can't fit more than 12.

0:26:13.169 --> 0:26:14.792
No, they don't put them fucking flat.

0:26:14.894 --> 0:26:18.040
What the fuck are you talking about?

0:26:18.060 --> 0:26:19.484
Two U is not much space.

0:26:19.545 --> 0:26:20.467
It's got to be a three U.

0:26:24.931 --> 0:26:26.313
i mean I'm looking at a six

0:26:26.353 --> 0:26:27.394
year rack in front of me

0:26:27.453 --> 0:26:29.155
right now and it's not very

0:26:29.215 --> 0:26:30.557
big like it's got to be

0:26:30.576 --> 0:26:33.700
three years so the r740 has

0:26:33.740 --> 0:26:36.803
got they've got 12 up front

0:26:37.743 --> 0:26:38.904
they've got another four in

0:26:38.924 --> 0:26:40.846
the mid stacker and then

0:26:41.228 --> 0:26:43.349
you can stick four nvmes up the rear

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.142
And this particular one has a, um,

0:26:49.402 --> 0:26:50.821
M dot two card on it as well.

0:26:50.842 --> 0:26:53.262
Yeah.

0:26:53.522 --> 0:26:56.023
A few fucking ports, but it's,

0:26:56.124 --> 0:26:58.625
I think it's still PCIe gen four.

0:26:58.904 --> 0:27:01.905
It's, um, it's Intel, uh,

0:27:01.925 --> 0:27:03.645
scalable gen two.

0:27:03.665 --> 0:27:04.987
I think it's pretty good system.

0:27:05.846 --> 0:27:06.067
I mean,

0:27:06.086 --> 0:27:07.247
it's going to be faster than the

0:27:07.287 --> 0:27:08.008
drives anyway.

0:27:08.167 --> 0:27:11.848
They fucking SAS drives like, yeah,

0:27:11.868 --> 0:27:12.989
but I am going,

0:27:13.009 --> 0:27:15.150
I am going a hundred gig backbone in the,

0:27:15.329 --> 0:27:15.769
in the rack.

0:27:17.627 --> 0:27:18.428
Just to move shit around.

0:27:19.028 --> 0:27:19.328
Yeah.

0:27:19.888 --> 0:27:20.088
Yeah.

0:27:20.709 --> 0:27:22.470
Plus I just want to see them numbers, man.

0:27:22.490 --> 0:27:24.171
Yeah.

0:27:24.651 --> 0:27:25.611
I mean, you'll, you'll be,

0:27:25.891 --> 0:27:27.092
you'll be driving limited at that point.

0:27:27.912 --> 0:27:28.231
Yeah.

0:27:28.633 --> 0:27:28.893
Pretty,

0:27:29.153 --> 0:27:31.294
pretty sure the drives would be

0:27:31.634 --> 0:27:32.314
maxed out on a 25.

0:27:32.314 --> 0:27:33.255
You'd probably be driving

0:27:33.275 --> 0:27:34.734
limited at 25 gig too.

0:27:35.335 --> 0:27:35.596
Yeah.

0:27:36.516 --> 0:27:36.915
Yeah, man.

0:27:36.935 --> 0:27:38.396
But if I just want to like, you know,

0:27:39.457 --> 0:27:41.238
copy a file from Ram to Ram.

0:27:42.057 --> 0:27:42.438
Yeah, baby.

0:27:42.458 --> 0:27:44.398
Yeah.

0:27:44.459 --> 0:27:45.299
I'm trying to find the super

0:27:45.319 --> 0:27:46.039
micro box I have.

0:27:48.086 --> 0:27:49.289
You have a super micro books.

0:27:49.751 --> 0:27:51.317
I have like three stacked in my garage.

0:27:52.682 --> 0:27:53.002
Oh yeah.

0:27:53.243 --> 0:27:53.545
Oh yeah.

0:27:53.565 --> 0:27:53.685
Yeah.

0:27:54.570 --> 0:27:56.231
Yeah, there's three of them.

0:27:56.251 --> 0:27:57.751
They're all vertical.

0:27:58.231 --> 0:27:59.913
There must be 16 drives across the top.

0:28:00.232 --> 0:28:01.913
Vertical 3.3 and a half inch on edge.

0:28:02.614 --> 0:28:03.594
There must be 16 across.

0:28:03.653 --> 0:28:04.554
I thought it was 24,

0:28:04.554 --> 0:28:05.255
but that can't be right.

0:28:05.275 --> 0:28:06.174
It must be 16 across.

0:28:06.234 --> 0:28:06.815
I have three of those

0:28:06.855 --> 0:28:07.414
sitting in my garage.

0:28:07.434 --> 0:28:08.036
So if you want to come over,

0:28:08.056 --> 0:28:08.836
you can grab them.

0:28:09.016 --> 0:28:09.996
Just replace the motherboard.

0:28:10.256 --> 0:28:10.836
Nice backbone.

0:28:11.237 --> 0:28:11.557
Be fine.

0:28:11.696 --> 0:28:13.176
Is it Intel Gen 2, is it?

0:28:13.678 --> 0:28:14.018
What are they?

0:28:14.057 --> 0:28:14.758
Fuck.

0:28:14.798 --> 0:28:15.357
They're probably.

0:28:15.377 --> 0:28:16.178
Yeah, they're probably.

0:28:16.459 --> 0:28:17.398
They're probably Xeon's

0:28:18.038 --> 0:28:18.578
something or other.

0:28:20.039 --> 0:28:20.539
Probably 2016 ish.

0:28:20.660 --> 0:28:22.540
So you don't have you don't

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:23.381
have any in prod, though.

0:28:24.473 --> 0:28:26.281
No, this is all shit I had in my house,

0:28:26.321 --> 0:28:28.390
and then I got rid of all that shit.

0:28:29.972 --> 0:28:32.775
I had a 42-inch rack in the

0:28:32.974 --> 0:28:34.496
back over here with fucking

0:28:34.536 --> 0:28:35.096
spinners in there,

0:28:35.116 --> 0:28:36.156
and then I had sound

0:28:36.217 --> 0:28:37.678
venting around it and all that shit.

0:28:38.199 --> 0:28:40.299
Because I had storage of all this whatever,

0:28:40.500 --> 0:28:42.561
media and other shit that I had going on.

0:28:42.602 --> 0:28:43.843
And then at that point,

0:28:43.863 --> 0:28:45.144
you really couldn't... You

0:28:45.723 --> 0:28:47.325
wanted to have a... Ten years ago,

0:28:47.424 --> 0:28:48.905
you really couldn't... This

0:28:48.945 --> 0:28:50.686
is like that program Forged in Fire,

0:28:50.747 --> 0:28:50.946
right?

0:28:51.508 --> 0:28:52.489
This is one of those things

0:28:52.528 --> 0:28:53.588
that happens because

0:28:53.648 --> 0:28:54.809
Americans have more space

0:28:54.849 --> 0:28:55.471
in their houses.

0:28:55.530 --> 0:28:56.510
So one day,

0:28:56.611 --> 0:28:57.872
you get up in the morning and you're like,

0:28:58.271 --> 0:28:58.813
you know what?

0:28:59.958 --> 0:29:03.160
I think I'm going to get a home forge.

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:03.559
Yeah.

0:29:03.579 --> 0:29:04.921
You're just like, Hey, you know what?

0:29:05.221 --> 0:29:06.961
I think with all this abundant room I have,

0:29:07.222 --> 0:29:09.723
I'm going to put a 48 year rack to,

0:29:10.464 --> 0:29:11.065
I don't know what I'm going

0:29:11.085 --> 0:29:11.644
to do with it yet,

0:29:11.664 --> 0:29:13.306
but I I'll come up with something.

0:29:13.487 --> 0:29:14.487
It's going to be really much.

0:29:14.527 --> 0:29:14.866
I got it.

0:29:14.928 --> 0:29:15.107
Cool.

0:29:16.126 --> 0:29:17.528
Like those things, but like 10 years ago,

0:29:17.567 --> 0:29:17.647
you,

0:29:17.807 --> 0:29:19.109
you couldn't get like cloud services.

0:29:19.130 --> 0:29:20.351
Like you have now, like you couldn't,

0:29:20.391 --> 0:29:21.171
there was, I mean,

0:29:21.571 --> 0:29:26.336
it's at that point I had a

0:29:26.395 --> 0:29:28.156
little hard drive that big,

0:29:28.576 --> 0:29:31.779
a Western digital one or whatever.

0:29:32.221 --> 0:29:33.821
I had 30, I don't know.

0:29:33.981 --> 0:29:34.762
What did I have at that point?

0:29:34.762 --> 0:29:36.384
20 terabytes of media and

0:29:36.763 --> 0:29:37.924
fucking five terabytes of

0:29:38.085 --> 0:29:39.125
like personal shit.

0:29:39.886 --> 0:29:40.827
I'm sure I have 10 terabytes

0:29:40.887 --> 0:29:42.148
of photos spinning around here.

0:29:42.848 --> 0:29:43.269
Like what?

0:29:44.734 --> 0:29:47.576
DSLR, big, you know, they're big pictures.

0:29:47.616 --> 0:29:49.318
You get the raw files and everything else.

0:29:49.798 --> 0:29:49.999
Hey,

0:29:50.019 --> 0:29:53.162
just get another hard drive for your

0:29:53.221 --> 0:29:53.402
camera.

0:29:53.442 --> 0:29:54.823
A hard drive is not a solution.

0:29:56.124 --> 0:29:56.964
We just get two.

0:29:58.046 --> 0:29:59.567
A hard drive is not, there's nothing,

0:29:59.586 --> 0:30:00.567
this isn't fucking

0:30:00.587 --> 0:30:01.307
blockchain where you just

0:30:01.327 --> 0:30:02.568
blow it away and grab it.

0:30:03.069 --> 0:30:05.191
The shit that you own ends up owning you,

0:30:05.211 --> 0:30:06.152
you surfer.

0:30:06.992 --> 0:30:09.555
The Dalai Lama said that.

0:30:10.474 --> 0:30:11.796
It's a matter of where you're going to,

0:30:11.996 --> 0:30:12.977
like, I'm trying to, well,

0:30:13.017 --> 0:30:14.417
this goes into a bigger issue of like,

0:30:14.478 --> 0:30:16.099
what do you do with, like, I have,

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:17.621
I have racks and racks of

0:30:17.681 --> 0:30:18.981
like actual physical

0:30:19.182 --> 0:30:20.323
pictures from my father.

0:30:20.542 --> 0:30:20.722
Right.

0:30:21.003 --> 0:30:23.005
And from, from like other family members.

0:30:23.224 --> 0:30:23.385
Right.

0:30:23.905 --> 0:30:25.646
And so I'm now I'm custodial of that,

0:30:25.727 --> 0:30:25.847
which.

0:30:26.548 --> 0:30:27.308
it's just fine which I don't

0:30:27.328 --> 0:30:28.449
really want to digitize and

0:30:28.469 --> 0:30:29.410
then also my kids really

0:30:29.450 --> 0:30:30.510
don't know anything about

0:30:30.570 --> 0:30:31.352
those individuals or at

0:30:31.372 --> 0:30:32.332
least many of them not all

0:30:32.352 --> 0:30:32.972
of them but some of them

0:30:33.353 --> 0:30:34.012
right but I have some

0:30:34.053 --> 0:30:35.615
sentimental value to me but

0:30:35.634 --> 0:30:37.236
they are history right and

0:30:37.276 --> 0:30:38.316
now I look think about my

0:30:38.375 --> 0:30:40.698
kids well I have say say

0:30:40.718 --> 0:30:41.679
there's five terabytes of

0:30:41.719 --> 0:30:42.519
images floating around

0:30:42.700 --> 0:30:43.519
right or whatever the hell

0:30:43.539 --> 0:30:45.060
it is whatever say it's one

0:30:45.741 --> 0:30:48.403
is is it icloud no so like

0:30:48.624 --> 0:30:50.244
what is the legacy piece so

0:30:50.285 --> 0:30:51.125
like you have stuff

0:30:51.846 --> 0:30:52.968
fray from like maybe from

0:30:53.008 --> 0:30:53.970
your parents wherever else

0:30:54.029 --> 0:30:55.051
right or whatever happens

0:30:55.071 --> 0:30:56.134
over the next 15 years

0:30:56.153 --> 0:30:57.195
you're going to gather more

0:30:57.257 --> 0:30:59.220
things what is that legacy

0:30:59.259 --> 0:31:00.343
like where does that go

0:31:01.310 --> 0:31:03.432
to your kids and eventually to their kids.

0:31:03.932 --> 0:31:05.633
And how do you keep that stuff alive?

0:31:06.073 --> 0:31:06.692
Cause people, you know,

0:31:06.752 --> 0:31:08.134
other than having physical items.

0:31:08.834 --> 0:31:11.635
And so, so like, I mean,

0:31:11.675 --> 0:31:12.655
I guess the perspective

0:31:12.695 --> 0:31:13.496
here is like a lot,

0:31:14.076 --> 0:31:15.376
a lot of ours actually got

0:31:15.416 --> 0:31:18.578
destroyed because that's one solution.

0:31:18.598 --> 0:31:19.118
I could burn it.

0:31:19.939 --> 0:31:21.400
Yeah.

0:31:21.779 --> 0:31:25.801
But also then in my, my old man's family,

0:31:25.882 --> 0:31:27.702
like they were just, I don't know.

0:31:27.722 --> 0:31:28.423
They're pretty broke.

0:31:28.482 --> 0:31:29.222
I think, you know,

0:31:29.262 --> 0:31:30.324
there aren't many pictures.

0:31:30.423 --> 0:31:30.983
I think there's like,

0:31:32.855 --> 0:31:34.477
couple of pictures of my

0:31:34.517 --> 0:31:37.038
grandma maybe and then like

0:31:37.138 --> 0:31:38.000
the other side of the

0:31:38.059 --> 0:31:39.741
family you know partition

0:31:39.781 --> 0:31:40.722
and all that shit there's

0:31:40.742 --> 0:31:42.324
only so many pictures that

0:31:42.684 --> 0:31:44.487
you know there's there's a

0:31:44.547 --> 0:31:46.008
couple of the family all

0:31:46.087 --> 0:31:47.529
like with rifles and shit

0:31:47.769 --> 0:31:49.230
at one of my great uncle's

0:31:49.290 --> 0:31:51.534
farms this was the period

0:31:51.554 --> 0:31:52.634
of time when there were

0:31:53.769 --> 0:31:55.410
there were the the bit

0:31:55.451 --> 0:31:56.510
between what's now india

0:31:56.530 --> 0:31:57.791
and pakistan was very very

0:31:58.113 --> 0:31:59.253
lawless for a while there

0:31:59.273 --> 0:32:00.595
were Sikh separatists all

0:32:00.615 --> 0:32:02.797
this kind of shit so it was

0:32:02.916 --> 0:32:03.896
it was a little bit wild

0:32:03.958 --> 0:32:05.057
westy I mean it's kind of

0:32:05.077 --> 0:32:06.199
like america is now right

0:32:06.259 --> 0:32:07.400
everybody carries a gun all

0:32:07.420 --> 0:32:10.182
the time right hey um so

0:32:10.903 --> 0:32:13.325
what you're telling me so

0:32:13.444 --> 0:32:15.106
you're trusting all your

0:32:15.166 --> 0:32:16.928
family's history to some

0:32:17.127 --> 0:32:18.429
western digital fucking

0:32:18.690 --> 0:32:20.651
jumper drive that's the

0:32:20.730 --> 0:32:22.353
valuable stuff is all on paper

0:32:23.891 --> 0:32:25.112
That's not a shoebox.

0:32:25.531 --> 0:32:26.573
That is also not a backup.

0:32:27.854 --> 0:32:29.015
Well, yeah, but if it goes... If it goes,

0:32:29.055 --> 0:32:29.275
it goes.

0:32:35.615 --> 0:32:35.796
Yeah,

0:32:35.816 --> 0:32:38.877
but it could also not go by having a

0:32:38.898 --> 0:32:39.959
42-inch rack in the rear

0:32:40.298 --> 0:32:41.519
and fucking something down

0:32:41.559 --> 0:32:43.080
in a data center with your

0:32:43.161 --> 0:32:44.261
valuable memory card.

0:32:44.702 --> 0:32:46.223
Right, with shit sitting in S3 Glacier.

0:32:46.243 --> 0:32:47.003
You too could spend a

0:32:47.044 --> 0:32:48.845
hundred grand to save your fucking shit.

0:32:48.925 --> 0:32:49.465
Come on, man.

0:32:49.486 --> 0:32:50.826
What are you doing exactly?

0:32:50.846 --> 0:32:54.009
You can't take your NVMEs with you,

0:32:54.108 --> 0:32:54.469
you know?

0:32:54.489 --> 0:32:57.330
When you go, but it's time for you to go.

0:32:57.351 --> 0:32:59.932
When it's time for you to go,

0:33:00.093 --> 0:33:02.375
you can't take your NVMEs with you.

0:33:03.055 --> 0:33:03.736
It's not for me.

0:33:05.365 --> 0:33:06.025
It's not for me.

0:33:06.105 --> 0:33:07.086
It is for you.

0:33:07.105 --> 0:33:09.425
Your children are not going, father,

0:33:09.705 --> 0:33:11.686
please store lots of stuff

0:33:11.747 --> 0:33:13.106
on MVMEs for us so that we

0:33:13.126 --> 0:33:14.988
can maintain it.

0:33:15.048 --> 0:33:15.647
Again,

0:33:15.807 --> 0:33:18.729
it's not the fact of maintaining it.

0:33:21.289 --> 0:33:22.609
What is the digital legacy?

0:33:24.109 --> 0:33:25.911
The digital legacy problem is not solved.

0:33:25.931 --> 0:33:26.730
There's some companies out

0:33:26.750 --> 0:33:29.251
there to try to do this.

0:33:29.491 --> 0:33:30.491
Actually,

0:33:30.551 --> 0:33:31.692
we thought about creating this 20

0:33:31.692 --> 0:33:31.992
years ago,

0:33:32.012 --> 0:33:32.992
then somebody actually built it here.

0:33:33.653 --> 0:33:34.834
But there's one that you I

0:33:34.874 --> 0:33:37.636
think it was you could upload to.

0:33:39.097 --> 0:33:40.118
I forget what it was like up

0:33:40.159 --> 0:33:42.261
to 20 terabytes and it had

0:33:42.281 --> 0:33:43.221
a hundred year guarantee.

0:33:43.542 --> 0:33:45.464
So they actually stored it

0:33:45.625 --> 0:33:46.905
in three or four different locations,

0:33:46.965 --> 0:33:49.087
both online that you could get to,

0:33:49.127 --> 0:33:50.048
as well as they did hard

0:33:50.088 --> 0:33:51.390
copies like like an Iron

0:33:51.410 --> 0:33:52.090
Mountain type of thing

0:33:52.111 --> 0:33:53.471
where it's actually, you know,

0:33:53.613 --> 0:33:54.212
climate controlled,

0:33:54.252 --> 0:33:55.394
like where they put artwork

0:33:55.433 --> 0:33:55.914
and shit like that.

0:33:56.355 --> 0:33:57.135
and there's another one too

0:33:57.155 --> 0:33:57.955
it was like somewhere else

0:33:58.016 --> 0:33:59.017
or like no matter what and

0:33:59.037 --> 0:33:59.817
then you had to get a

0:33:59.857 --> 0:34:00.858
legacy structure where you

0:34:00.878 --> 0:34:01.519
could give something to

0:34:01.558 --> 0:34:02.680
your kids and they can be

0:34:02.700 --> 0:34:03.621
able to bring that up and

0:34:03.641 --> 0:34:04.760
then hopefully the idea was

0:34:04.781 --> 0:34:05.721
that you could hand that

0:34:05.761 --> 0:34:07.063
down like there's something

0:34:07.083 --> 0:34:08.264
that's there and so whether

0:34:08.304 --> 0:34:09.724
that was documents or

0:34:09.784 --> 0:34:10.885
whether that was images or

0:34:10.925 --> 0:34:11.666
something similar to that

0:34:12.007 --> 0:34:12.487
or anything that was

0:34:12.527 --> 0:34:13.507
digital that was important

0:34:13.628 --> 0:34:15.048
like keys is another good

0:34:15.068 --> 0:34:16.670
example of that um like

0:34:17.070 --> 0:34:18.152
like that type of idea

0:34:18.891 --> 0:34:20.753
And then Ben Davis says,

0:34:20.773 --> 0:34:22.295
photos are meaningless without context.

0:34:22.335 --> 0:34:22.554
Well,

0:34:22.855 --> 0:34:24.255
you can extend that out to videos too,

0:34:24.295 --> 0:34:24.456
right?

0:34:24.476 --> 0:34:25.896
You can put context to those.

0:34:25.916 --> 0:34:27.077
You could record yourself

0:34:27.117 --> 0:34:28.318
talking about who those individuals are.

0:34:28.358 --> 0:34:30.199
You could build stories around that.

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.222
Like those are all part of that legacy.

0:34:32.961 --> 0:34:34.744
And when you, and like,

0:34:34.764 --> 0:34:36.585
cause I know folks who like

0:34:36.625 --> 0:34:37.326
who have passed away

0:34:37.405 --> 0:34:39.246
earlier or have not had

0:34:39.266 --> 0:34:40.047
that opportunity to say

0:34:40.068 --> 0:34:41.208
that and nobody lives forever.

0:34:41.307 --> 0:34:42.068
And sometimes you don't know

0:34:42.108 --> 0:34:42.688
when it's coming.

0:34:43.150 --> 0:34:45.391
And so from that perspective to say,

0:34:46.414 --> 0:34:47.653
like to be ready for that or

0:34:47.713 --> 0:34:48.855
have some sort of structure around it.

0:34:49.034 --> 0:34:49.894
I've always thought about like,

0:34:49.934 --> 0:34:51.315
how do you think about like, how,

0:34:51.335 --> 0:34:52.496
how am I going to hand this stuff down?

0:34:52.795 --> 0:34:53.856
And the rest of the shit can burn.

0:34:53.876 --> 0:34:54.677
I don't give a shit.

0:34:54.697 --> 0:34:56.737
I mean, I guess it's difficult, right?

0:34:57.456 --> 0:34:58.978
I had a good friend of mine, uh,

0:34:59.057 --> 0:35:01.159
past when I was pretty young.

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:05.659
I, we both sort of 18 and, uh, uh,

0:35:05.679 --> 0:35:06.500
there were lower three.

0:35:06.639 --> 0:35:07.519
I had three videos.

0:35:08.001 --> 0:35:10.621
Like that was it, uh, with, with us in it,

0:35:10.740 --> 0:35:11.842
mainly with, with just him.

0:35:11.862 --> 0:35:11.902
Um,

0:35:12.862 --> 0:35:15.625
and the they got lost right

0:35:16.166 --> 0:35:17.967
but I can I could tell you

0:35:18.168 --> 0:35:19.309
frame by frame what happens

0:35:19.369 --> 0:35:20.449
in all three of those right

0:35:21.411 --> 0:35:24.153
so I mean it kind of sucks

0:35:24.273 --> 0:35:25.456
but it's also kind of like

0:35:25.496 --> 0:35:27.237
well the only person who

0:35:27.277 --> 0:35:30.161
cares about that is me and

0:35:30.181 --> 0:35:33.284
that is that true though

0:35:34.521 --> 0:35:34.641
Yeah,

0:35:34.661 --> 0:35:36.001
you kids might want to troll through

0:35:36.021 --> 0:35:38.862
some shit when you're old.

0:35:38.922 --> 0:35:40.503
Other than watching YouTube

0:35:40.523 --> 0:35:42.184
videos of Game of Nodes 20 years from now,

0:35:42.224 --> 0:35:42.864
which you know,

0:35:43.264 --> 0:35:45.184
this fucking stupid podcast

0:35:45.204 --> 0:35:47.965
has more legacy components

0:35:48.704 --> 0:35:49.864
than personal memories.

0:35:50.005 --> 0:35:51.545
Even this one with Null's

0:35:51.766 --> 0:35:52.925
huge head in this window.

0:35:53.005 --> 0:35:54.226
Why is your head so big?

0:35:54.306 --> 0:35:55.166
It's very big.

0:35:55.186 --> 0:35:56.027
It feels like it's eating

0:35:56.047 --> 0:35:57.206
the rest of this podcast.

0:35:59.126 --> 0:36:01.268
Your eyes are like real size

0:36:01.327 --> 0:36:01.987
on my monitor.

0:36:02.487 --> 0:36:03.768
Just the lighting.

0:36:04.469 --> 0:36:06.568
Everything is a disaster.

0:36:06.909 --> 0:36:08.010
Everything about Null's

0:36:08.550 --> 0:36:10.769
setup is an absolute disaster.

0:36:10.829 --> 0:36:12.010
Expecting your nose hairs.

0:36:12.030 --> 0:36:14.010
Just back it up.

0:36:14.891 --> 0:36:16.032
I don't know what's going on, man.

0:36:16.231 --> 0:36:17.251
It reminds me of that.

0:36:17.452 --> 0:36:19.233
What's the line from Spinal Tap?

0:36:19.652 --> 0:36:21.032
I'm not taking any fucking

0:36:21.072 --> 0:36:21.693
orders from you.

0:36:21.932 --> 0:36:24.153
You look like an Australian's nightmare.

0:36:24.735 --> 0:36:25.996
Turn off that center stage thing.

0:36:26.016 --> 0:36:26.717
I think that's what it is.

0:36:26.958 --> 0:36:28.960
Apple just loves close-ups on you.

0:36:31.202 --> 0:36:32.744
There you go.

0:36:33.106 --> 0:36:33.887
Now I can barely see.

0:36:35.668 --> 0:36:36.730
I think Noel's in the back

0:36:36.791 --> 0:36:37.552
there somewhere.

0:36:38.980 --> 0:36:40.862
oh my goodness you know what

0:36:40.961 --> 0:36:41.983
I think it's still working

0:36:42.003 --> 0:36:43.503
on this show I think it's

0:36:43.543 --> 0:36:44.804
the fashion in which my

0:36:44.985 --> 0:36:46.967
phone is sticky taped to my

0:36:47.007 --> 0:36:48.307
screen maybe that'd be

0:36:49.389 --> 0:36:50.110
there you go that looks

0:36:50.130 --> 0:36:51.291
better I mean you were

0:36:51.311 --> 0:36:52.192
really it felt like you

0:36:52.211 --> 0:36:53.333
were in the room with a bad

0:36:53.353 --> 0:36:55.353
market earlier when when

0:36:55.414 --> 0:36:56.976
null gets away from sticky

0:36:56.996 --> 0:36:58.277
tape that's when we know

0:36:58.317 --> 0:36:59.538
we're in a bull a real bull

0:37:01.550 --> 0:37:01.829
You know,

0:37:02.289 --> 0:37:04.472
I had a tripod that my phone could go on.

0:37:04.492 --> 0:37:07.713
I used to sit in front of my monitor here,

0:37:08.273 --> 0:37:09.614
except I lost it on the plane.

0:37:10.375 --> 0:37:15.157
And this plane service is

0:37:15.217 --> 0:37:16.219
particularly shit.

0:37:17.219 --> 0:37:21.882
And so their website says, you know,

0:37:23.043 --> 0:37:24.043
if you lose something,

0:37:24.182 --> 0:37:26.925
just ask the friendly assistance team.

0:37:27.717 --> 0:37:28.358
at the plane.

0:37:28.458 --> 0:37:29.739
And I asked them and they're like,

0:37:30.599 --> 0:37:32.541
fuck off.

0:37:33.603 --> 0:37:34.603
How the fuck would I know?

0:37:34.623 --> 0:37:38.967
The internet says to ask the

0:37:39.007 --> 0:37:40.369
friendly staff on the plane.

0:37:40.389 --> 0:37:42.871
And they're like, man, when shit's lost,

0:37:43.572 --> 0:37:44.833
we just stick it in a box

0:37:44.893 --> 0:37:46.134
and give it to the fucking terminal.

0:37:46.235 --> 0:37:46.614
And I'm like,

0:37:49.436 --> 0:37:51.498
cool so this the story about

0:37:51.538 --> 0:37:52.719
you storing it for three

0:37:52.759 --> 0:37:55.221
months is bullshit they're

0:37:55.240 --> 0:37:56.221
like I don't know someone's

0:37:56.260 --> 0:37:57.041
probably storing it

0:37:57.081 --> 0:37:58.563
somewhere somebody it's in

0:37:58.583 --> 0:38:00.643
the box it's in the box man

0:38:01.164 --> 0:38:03.286
so it's going up the stupid

0:38:03.326 --> 0:38:05.106
topic I i do want to solve

0:38:05.146 --> 0:38:05.847
this problem though I don't

0:38:05.867 --> 0:38:06.286
have to get in this

0:38:06.327 --> 0:38:06.927
freaking we're talking

0:38:06.947 --> 0:38:07.527
about oh we're talking

0:38:07.547 --> 0:38:08.568
about yeah spinning hard

0:38:08.648 --> 0:38:12.150
not your rocks yeah yep not

0:38:12.170 --> 0:38:13.592
to mention those early dvd

0:38:13.612 --> 0:38:14.733
copies of simpsons seasons

0:38:14.813 --> 0:38:15.572
one through six I don't

0:38:15.592 --> 0:38:16.673
know if I can really pull those back

0:38:18.463 --> 0:38:18.704
Okay,

0:38:18.724 --> 0:38:21.132
Simpsons is a valid reason for having

0:38:21.193 --> 0:38:21.514
a rock.

0:38:23.248 --> 0:38:23.728
Right there.

0:38:24.148 --> 0:38:27.971
Because I can tell you it is a disaster.

0:38:28.251 --> 0:38:28.891
Do you remember when they

0:38:28.931 --> 0:38:29.871
used to have loads of shit

0:38:29.972 --> 0:38:33.393
tier like 360p pirate?

0:38:33.914 --> 0:38:34.894
Yeah.

0:38:34.954 --> 0:38:36.655
It was very easy to find a

0:38:36.695 --> 0:38:37.536
place to watch The Simpsons

0:38:37.576 --> 0:38:39.157
online if you were prepared

0:38:39.217 --> 0:38:40.518
to watch it in 360p.

0:38:40.657 --> 0:38:42.599
I'm pretty sure Surf the

0:38:42.639 --> 0:38:44.460
Channel had it and there

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.422
was a specific Simpsons one.

0:38:47.442 --> 0:38:48.643
And there was a specific

0:38:48.742 --> 0:38:49.722
website in the Netherlands.

0:38:50.304 --> 0:38:52.244
In fact, it's burned in some of my early

0:38:53.206 --> 0:38:54.686
copies I'll take a look like

0:38:54.726 --> 0:38:55.327
as soon as you'll hear it

0:38:55.347 --> 0:38:56.168
you probably know exactly

0:38:56.188 --> 0:38:56.809
which one I'm talking about

0:38:56.829 --> 0:38:57.590
because I remember like

0:38:57.650 --> 0:38:58.210
that's where we used to

0:38:58.230 --> 0:38:59.110
pull it from was like these

0:38:59.592 --> 0:39:00.972
weird fucking rtl that

0:39:01.012 --> 0:39:02.253
something or other is what

0:39:02.293 --> 0:39:03.394
it was yeah I feel I feel

0:39:03.414 --> 0:39:04.016
like there were loads there

0:39:04.036 --> 0:39:04.936
used to be loads places to

0:39:04.976 --> 0:39:06.237
watch old good episodes of

0:39:06.257 --> 0:39:07.778
the simpsons and fuck knows

0:39:07.818 --> 0:39:10.521
now um and yeah the

0:39:10.561 --> 0:39:11.782
temptation is just like try

0:39:11.822 --> 0:39:13.784
and buy a massive dvd set

0:39:13.844 --> 0:39:14.885
off ebay or something like

0:39:14.925 --> 0:39:16.407
that because fuck paying

0:39:16.447 --> 0:39:19.409
disney plus jesus no what the hell

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:22.800
Let's go.

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:23.659
We just started watching.

0:39:24.061 --> 0:39:26.161
I got my... My youngest one.

0:39:26.181 --> 0:39:26.900
We started watching some

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:28.101
stuff from season four and five.

0:39:28.121 --> 0:39:31.382
Put it in H. We watched Mr. Plow.

0:39:31.402 --> 0:39:32.023
We watched that one.

0:39:32.043 --> 0:39:35.804
We watched... Oh, Mr. Plow.

0:39:35.884 --> 0:39:37.164
I was fucking... I was

0:39:37.224 --> 0:39:39.505
cycling back in some sleet

0:39:40.324 --> 0:39:42.284
from the office like a few weeks ago.

0:39:42.304 --> 0:39:44.585
And I just found myself humming the...

0:39:46.503 --> 0:39:49.103
that name again it's mr plow

0:39:52.545 --> 0:39:53.985
so deeply ingrained some of

0:39:54.005 --> 0:39:57.726
that stuff isn't it yeah I

0:39:57.766 --> 0:39:58.847
didn't know you know linda

0:39:58.927 --> 0:40:02.427
ronstadt the fuck are you

0:40:02.467 --> 0:40:04.387
people on a bed some good

0:40:04.407 --> 0:40:06.708
old simpsons movies or show or episodes

0:40:08.317 --> 0:40:09.418
no it's like I don't watch

0:40:09.498 --> 0:40:10.918
cartoons I'm too busy

0:40:11.079 --> 0:40:12.458
getting more burnt out by

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:14.960
working 18 jobs I'm making

0:40:15.201 --> 0:40:17.262
I'm I'm looking right now

0:40:17.282 --> 0:40:19.663
for some 100 gig cards

0:40:19.842 --> 0:40:22.525
they're not cheap I would

0:40:22.545 --> 0:40:23.746
skip that all right let's

0:40:23.766 --> 0:40:26.166
skip that if you if you

0:40:26.206 --> 0:40:27.547
want to get because it's

0:40:27.728 --> 0:40:28.768
it's just a waste of money

0:40:28.788 --> 0:40:29.548
like you're not doing that much

0:40:30.673 --> 0:40:31.653
There's nothing that

0:40:31.693 --> 0:40:32.414
requires that much time.

0:40:32.434 --> 0:40:32.914
You're just taking a

0:40:32.954 --> 0:40:34.414
snapshot and moving things across.

0:40:34.934 --> 0:40:36.175
If it takes an hour or it takes 30 minutes,

0:40:36.215 --> 0:40:37.615
it doesn't change your life in any way.

0:40:38.255 --> 0:40:39.255
What if I need to restore it?

0:40:39.956 --> 0:40:40.436
Riddle me that.

0:40:41.797 --> 0:40:43.518
You've got 13 hours, dickhead.

0:40:43.538 --> 0:40:45.838
No, this is archived.

0:40:45.938 --> 0:40:46.697
It's not even making sense.

0:40:46.757 --> 0:40:47.059
Oh, okay.

0:40:47.958 --> 0:40:49.418
It takes a long time to move

0:40:49.478 --> 0:40:50.179
like 20 terabytes.

0:40:50.199 --> 0:40:51.460
The downtime window is

0:40:51.500 --> 0:40:52.360
really fucking weak.

0:40:54.065 --> 0:40:55.045
The downtime windows,

0:40:55.106 --> 0:40:56.007
I thought you meant for a node.

0:40:56.027 --> 0:40:56.347
I was like,

0:40:56.407 --> 0:40:58.387
downtime window is hella long

0:40:58.568 --> 0:41:02.891
and Polkachu's got your archives anyway.

0:41:04.471 --> 0:41:05.672
Polkachu got you covered.

0:41:07.273 --> 0:41:07.652
That's right.

0:41:08.454 --> 0:41:10.434
You could bond a couple of smaller ones.

0:41:13.288 --> 0:41:14.007
You know what I mean?

0:41:14.027 --> 0:41:14.268
Yeah.

0:41:14.288 --> 0:41:15.208
You could be like tens and

0:41:15.228 --> 0:41:16.608
bonds them or do 25s and

0:41:16.628 --> 0:41:17.608
bond them or something like that.

0:41:17.628 --> 0:41:18.809
You don't have to do 100.

0:41:19.929 --> 0:41:23.170
But like, you know, just hundreds easier.

0:41:23.210 --> 0:41:25.072
You just plug one cable and you're done.

0:41:26.371 --> 0:41:27.331
Stick it in your 100 gig

0:41:27.371 --> 0:41:28.713
switch and you're done.

0:41:29.592 --> 0:41:29.952
Fiber.

0:41:31.134 --> 0:41:31.373
Fiber.

0:41:31.434 --> 0:41:32.313
DAC, man.

0:41:32.813 --> 0:41:33.173
DAC.

0:41:33.875 --> 0:41:34.614
Roto Labs.

0:41:34.934 --> 0:41:35.135
That's it.

0:41:37.539 --> 0:41:39.561
Channel Rotolabs on Fnet on IRC.

0:41:39.581 --> 0:41:41.762
That was the one, rotolabs.cjb.net.

0:41:42.242 --> 0:41:42.902
Fucking classic.

0:41:43.222 --> 0:41:44.182
They used to have all that.

0:41:44.402 --> 0:41:45.384
They released some stuff on there.

0:41:45.623 --> 0:41:46.423
Jesus.

0:41:46.903 --> 0:41:48.344
Comment must be 10, 20 years old.

0:41:49.606 --> 0:41:49.985
Ridiculous.

0:41:50.365 --> 0:41:51.085
That guy's probably in jail.

0:41:54.027 --> 0:41:55.809
So how about some last

0:41:55.829 --> 0:41:58.010
minute news or the just in time news?

0:41:58.856 --> 0:42:00.137
yeah what do you got must be

0:42:00.197 --> 0:42:01.717
like ultra up to date right

0:42:02.777 --> 0:42:07.918
it's just yeah yep uh

0:42:08.018 --> 0:42:09.858
circle stops issuing usdc

0:42:09.918 --> 0:42:13.460
on tron I did get an email

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:14.960
about that circle the

0:42:15.019 --> 0:42:15.960
circle ceo sent me

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:17.920
something personally okay

0:42:18.021 --> 0:42:19.541
maybe like we're very sorry

0:42:19.601 --> 0:42:21.762
sir we uh we can't dear mr

0:42:21.802 --> 0:42:23.822
rhino if that is your real name

0:42:25.818 --> 0:42:26.059
Yeah.

0:42:26.539 --> 0:42:28.141
So did they say why they said, yeah,

0:42:28.161 --> 0:42:28.442
we're done.

0:42:28.641 --> 0:42:29.182
That's all they said.

0:42:30.425 --> 0:42:33.068
Uh, after internal business compliance,

0:42:33.168 --> 0:42:35.871
focusing on issuing USDC

0:42:36.652 --> 0:42:37.974
after internal business.

0:42:40.235 --> 0:42:42.998
Compliance must be after

0:42:43.117 --> 0:42:44.559
internal business review,

0:42:45.179 --> 0:42:46.521
maybe missing some words here.

0:42:46.661 --> 0:42:48.202
Just in time is, you know,

0:42:50.023 --> 0:42:51.445
truncating sentences now.

0:42:53.166 --> 0:42:54.507
Compliance focusing on

0:42:54.568 --> 0:42:56.228
issuing USDC to other

0:42:56.289 --> 0:42:57.449
ecosystems and chains.

0:42:57.951 --> 0:42:58.831
I guess they're just putting

0:42:58.871 --> 0:43:00.733
all of their attention into Nobel now.

0:43:02.751 --> 0:43:03.132
Nobly.

0:43:03.773 --> 0:43:03.913
Nobly.

0:43:04.474 --> 0:43:04.594
Nobly.

0:43:04.614 --> 0:43:06.215
But USDT was... Isn't that

0:43:06.275 --> 0:43:09.681
like 99% of Tron traffic or

0:43:09.701 --> 0:43:10.420
something was USDT?

0:43:10.822 --> 0:43:12.023
Is that what it is?

0:43:19.460 --> 0:43:20.581
Or is it USDC?

0:43:21.161 --> 0:43:22.681
USDC, not USDC.

0:43:22.882 --> 0:43:24.583
It says USDC.

0:43:25.364 --> 0:43:26.083
No, I understand that.

0:43:26.123 --> 0:43:26.905
But Tron,

0:43:27.304 --> 0:43:28.405
like most of their traffic is

0:43:28.505 --> 0:43:30.246
USDT traffic, right?

0:43:31.186 --> 0:43:35.050
This was like the also ran

0:43:35.309 --> 0:43:36.670
stable coin on Tron.

0:43:37.577 --> 0:43:37.737
Yeah.

0:43:38.556 --> 0:43:38.936
Gotcha.

0:43:39.818 --> 0:43:40.137
Copy.

0:43:41.318 --> 0:43:41.637
It's weird.

0:43:42.077 --> 0:43:42.818
There must be something else.

0:43:42.898 --> 0:43:44.038
I mean, did they say why?

0:43:44.059 --> 0:43:45.438
They were just reviewing it

0:43:45.458 --> 0:43:46.338
because they're adding so

0:43:46.358 --> 0:43:48.219
many new chains at Circle.

0:43:48.338 --> 0:43:49.000
It's interesting that

0:43:49.019 --> 0:43:49.619
they're removing one.

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:52.340
Does anybody know, like,

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:57.422
do you guys use the Circle stuff?

0:44:00.342 --> 0:44:00.882
I have an account.

0:44:00.902 --> 0:44:01.902
I've tried it a couple times,

0:44:01.963 --> 0:44:02.983
but I didn't really see the value,

0:44:03.103 --> 0:44:03.463
to be honest.

0:44:05.039 --> 0:44:11.282
Is it like, is it, uh, no,

0:44:11.702 --> 0:44:13.101
it's really more of a, well,

0:44:13.382 --> 0:44:14.282
last time I used it, which wasn't,

0:44:14.362 --> 0:44:15.563
it was maybe six months ago.

0:44:15.583 --> 0:44:16.483
It was like, it was more,

0:44:17.943 --> 0:44:19.143
it was really more payments.

0:44:19.463 --> 0:44:20.123
There were some payments

0:44:20.164 --> 0:44:23.085
focused pieces in there and, um,

0:44:24.085 --> 0:44:25.425
and more wallet activities

0:44:25.505 --> 0:44:28.887
than necessarily the bridging piece.

0:44:30.423 --> 0:44:31.224
At least in their portal.

0:44:31.644 --> 0:44:33.186
So, which might've changed that with CCT.

0:44:33.206 --> 0:44:33.586
Yeah.

0:44:33.766 --> 0:44:34.728
Maybe it's improved.

0:44:34.748 --> 0:44:35.208
Like I,

0:44:35.548 --> 0:44:37.110
I tried to use it like a year or

0:44:37.150 --> 0:44:38.911
two ago to, to take a payment.

0:44:39.411 --> 0:44:39.652
Yeah.

0:44:39.693 --> 0:44:40.914
For us as a business and it,

0:44:41.634 --> 0:44:43.715
they fucked up our application,

0:44:43.936 --> 0:44:44.916
fucked up our KYC.

0:44:47.340 --> 0:44:48.661
We had to send them money in

0:44:48.702 --> 0:44:50.963
order to verify and the, you know,

0:44:50.983 --> 0:44:52.485
it's just like $5 or

0:44:52.646 --> 0:44:53.967
something like a swift payment.

0:44:54.007 --> 0:44:55.547
And then they sent it back to you.

0:44:55.568 --> 0:44:57.610
It got lost because their

0:44:57.650 --> 0:44:58.951
bank details were like

0:44:59.612 --> 0:45:00.692
incompatible in some way

0:45:00.711 --> 0:45:02.094
with European business back.

0:45:02.494 --> 0:45:04.275
It was just this fucking nightmare.

0:45:04.536 --> 0:45:06.097
And then I contact with either.

0:45:06.117 --> 0:45:07.157
They assign you a rep when

0:45:07.197 --> 0:45:08.139
they see your business.

0:45:08.798 --> 0:45:10.541
So I contacted our rep and was just like,

0:45:10.561 --> 0:45:11.541
Hey, look, this isn't working.

0:45:11.561 --> 0:45:13.282
They're like, oh, it's very, very simple.

0:45:13.302 --> 0:45:14.083
You're not using a bank.

0:45:15.835 --> 0:45:16.476
And I was like, well,

0:45:16.697 --> 0:45:17.518
how the fuck did we just

0:45:17.559 --> 0:45:18.762
send you a swift transfer then?

0:45:18.782 --> 0:45:19.182
They're like, well,

0:45:19.202 --> 0:45:20.505
it's not a bank we recognize.

0:45:20.525 --> 0:45:21.246
And I was like, well,

0:45:21.327 --> 0:45:23.952
it's a business banking United kingdom.

0:45:23.972 --> 0:45:25.554
And they were like, well,

0:45:26.891 --> 0:45:31.755
Your payment appears to be like, you know,

0:45:31.815 --> 0:45:33.735
fucking lost in the ether or whatever.

0:45:33.755 --> 0:45:34.536
And I was like, okay,

0:45:34.556 --> 0:45:35.617
so basically what I've done

0:45:35.637 --> 0:45:39.400
is fired five pounds into outer space,

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:40.740
which we're not going to see back.

0:45:41.702 --> 0:45:43.503
And just YOLO,

0:45:43.543 --> 0:45:45.344
it's gone into international

0:45:45.563 --> 0:45:47.704
monetary systems, fuck knows where.

0:45:49.326 --> 0:45:50.827
And you're telling us we

0:45:50.847 --> 0:45:51.467
don't have a bank.

0:45:51.507 --> 0:45:51.827
And they're like,

0:45:51.887 --> 0:45:52.909
you could try another bank.

0:45:53.108 --> 0:45:54.010
And I was like, or...

0:45:55.471 --> 0:45:56.530
What I'm actually going to

0:45:56.590 --> 0:45:58.293
do is I'm going to tell our

0:45:58.333 --> 0:46:00.173
accountants to write off

0:46:00.213 --> 0:46:03.177
this payment as unpaid and

0:46:03.197 --> 0:46:04.336
we'll just fucking forget

0:46:04.376 --> 0:46:05.617
about this entire episode

0:46:05.637 --> 0:46:07.019
because it's a waste of my time.

0:46:07.599 --> 0:46:07.900
But didn't,

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:08.780
didn't you already said like your,

0:46:08.900 --> 0:46:10.081
your home bank doesn't like

0:46:10.637 --> 0:46:11.679
have internet service and

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:12.940
they don't have a website

0:46:12.980 --> 0:46:14.221
and you have to go there physically.

0:46:14.260 --> 0:46:16.583
They have to move a huge

0:46:16.682 --> 0:46:17.563
rock away in front of a

0:46:17.724 --> 0:46:19.465
fucking cave and shit to

0:46:19.505 --> 0:46:20.085
get at your money.

0:46:20.766 --> 0:46:23.748
That was our other bank

0:46:24.188 --> 0:46:25.429
which tried to shut us down

0:46:25.469 --> 0:46:27.331
for being a company that works in crypto.

0:46:27.931 --> 0:46:29.612
This is going back quite a long time,

0:46:29.672 --> 0:46:29.813
right?

0:46:29.833 --> 0:46:30.713
Yeah.

0:46:31.726 --> 0:46:33.327
So they're a trendy, modern,

0:46:33.788 --> 0:46:35.789
hip bank with advertising

0:46:35.849 --> 0:46:37.889
and cool shit and good customer reviews,

0:46:38.009 --> 0:46:39.309
and they didn't want our business.

0:46:39.570 --> 0:46:42.630
So we had to go to a boomer

0:46:42.670 --> 0:46:44.411
bank that literally had

0:46:44.472 --> 0:46:45.711
never heard of the internet.

0:46:45.731 --> 0:46:47.452
So there's no way they could work out that,

0:46:48.293 --> 0:46:48.552
you know,

0:46:48.972 --> 0:46:50.434
they wouldn't know what crypto was anyway,

0:46:50.474 --> 0:46:51.293
so it's fine.

0:46:51.313 --> 0:46:52.655
It's like, internet?

0:46:52.695 --> 0:46:54.956
You guys can do that on computers now?

0:46:55.396 --> 0:46:55.815
Under what?

0:46:59.278 --> 0:47:00.418
i guess this is something

0:47:00.500 --> 0:47:03.141
nice about the um the

0:47:03.201 --> 0:47:04.322
australian banks like I've

0:47:04.362 --> 0:47:06.224
never never had an issue

0:47:06.284 --> 0:47:07.945
with a bank account over

0:47:07.965 --> 0:47:11.467
here ever even with ending

0:47:11.507 --> 0:47:13.469
something yeah even like no

0:47:13.548 --> 0:47:15.230
one gives a fuck they're

0:47:15.250 --> 0:47:17.251
just like what is it is it

0:47:17.291 --> 0:47:18.072
because they actually don't

0:47:18.112 --> 0:47:19.452
give a fuck or they just never looked

0:47:20.768 --> 0:47:21.507
No, they don't care.

0:47:21.527 --> 0:47:22.909
I talked to the banks.

0:47:22.969 --> 0:47:24.429
I said, are you like, you know,

0:47:24.489 --> 0:47:25.730
are you crypto positive over here?

0:47:25.750 --> 0:47:27.490
And they're like, yeah, man, come on.

0:47:29.431 --> 0:47:30.052
That's crazy.

0:47:30.092 --> 0:47:31.112
Like there's, there's so many.

0:47:31.311 --> 0:47:34.072
Here it's super weird.

0:47:34.112 --> 0:47:35.333
They get really,

0:47:36.713 --> 0:47:39.355
they get really antsy about

0:47:39.735 --> 0:47:40.936
companies that work in the space.

0:47:41.056 --> 0:47:42.076
I think because there's

0:47:42.217 --> 0:47:43.956
currently very little regulation,

0:47:43.996 --> 0:47:45.097
I think they all assume

0:47:45.137 --> 0:47:46.538
there will soon be regulation.

0:47:47.978 --> 0:47:48.079
Um,

0:47:49.371 --> 0:47:50.172
and they don't want to deal

0:47:50.211 --> 0:47:51.293
with regulated entities,

0:47:51.353 --> 0:47:52.893
maybe just issue them bank accounts.

0:47:52.914 --> 0:47:54.655
It's very hard to unissue a bank account,

0:47:54.735 --> 0:47:56.594
isn't it?

0:47:56.614 --> 0:47:59.117
So I think the, well, no,

0:47:59.177 --> 0:48:01.157
not if you ask them,

0:48:01.217 --> 0:48:02.918
they just fucking say, no,

0:48:02.938 --> 0:48:03.719
thank you anymore.

0:48:04.778 --> 0:48:05.179
Exactly.

0:48:05.300 --> 0:48:06.019
Where do I send the check?

0:48:08.652 --> 0:48:10.132
Yeah, I guess to be fair, actually,

0:48:10.152 --> 0:48:10.472
you're right.

0:48:10.492 --> 0:48:12.675
They can just fucking say,

0:48:12.835 --> 0:48:13.956
withdraw your money, dickhead.

0:48:13.976 --> 0:48:14.056
Yeah,

0:48:14.076 --> 0:48:15.336
they just wake up one day and send

0:48:15.376 --> 0:48:17.077
you a letter and they're like, sir,

0:48:17.518 --> 0:48:18.559
we don't want you anymore.

0:48:18.898 --> 0:48:20.340
But in that context,

0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:21.780
why should you give a shit then?

0:48:21.900 --> 0:48:23.161
If you decide one morning in

0:48:23.181 --> 0:48:23.882
the future that you don't

0:48:23.902 --> 0:48:25.123
want their business, you just go, well,

0:48:25.143 --> 0:48:26.244
I don't want your business anymore.

0:48:26.264 --> 0:48:29.887
Yeah.

0:48:31.846 --> 0:48:35.369
cctp cctp that money like

0:48:35.469 --> 0:48:37.329
that's the one click usdc

0:48:37.349 --> 0:48:39.692
this is from I forget who

0:48:39.711 --> 0:48:41.012
built this is this it's not

0:48:41.052 --> 0:48:44.094
skip right this is um

0:48:44.114 --> 0:48:45.275
strange love strange love

0:48:45.456 --> 0:48:46.838
yeah I think somebody had

0:48:46.858 --> 0:48:48.599
strange love uh kind of but

0:48:48.639 --> 0:48:49.619
not really it was someone

0:48:49.639 --> 0:48:50.740
that was from strange love

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:52.101
but then they split off

0:48:52.121 --> 0:48:52.742
they're actually using

0:48:53.322 --> 0:48:55.344
their back end it's weird

0:48:55.364 --> 0:48:56.144
that they have um

0:48:57.130 --> 0:48:58.989
that they... I was just

0:48:59.010 --> 0:48:59.751
looking at the bridge fees

0:48:59.791 --> 0:49:00.351
associated to this.

0:49:00.670 --> 0:49:01.610
They're actually taking some

0:49:01.630 --> 0:49:04.192
money off of here as a bridge fee.

0:49:04.231 --> 0:49:05.192
Ethereum to Noble is $1,

0:49:05.192 --> 0:49:07.172
and then Noble to Ethereum

0:49:07.193 --> 0:49:09.592
is showing a bridge fee of $20.

0:49:09.592 --> 0:49:10.713
But if I go to Squid Router,

0:49:10.952 --> 0:49:12.094
Squid Router is free both ways.

0:49:12.673 --> 0:49:13.393
So I don't understand what

0:49:13.414 --> 0:49:14.574
the hell is going on here,

0:49:14.614 --> 0:49:16.534
but it should be free both ways.

0:49:16.554 --> 0:49:18.875
There's nothing... I mean, guess, I guess,

0:49:19.275 --> 0:49:21.335
from a... Anyway, whatever.

0:49:22.315 --> 0:49:23.896
It's weird that it's taking $20 off the

0:49:25.559 --> 0:49:26.440
off the noble Ethereum

0:49:27.240 --> 0:49:28.161
structure on something that

0:49:28.201 --> 0:49:28.961
I thought didn't

0:49:29.001 --> 0:49:30.641
necessarily have that issue.

0:49:31.143 --> 0:49:32.143
Cause it's not a bridge, right?

0:49:32.182 --> 0:49:35.164
It's a complicated

0:49:36.425 --> 0:49:37.826
multilateral contract

0:49:37.846 --> 0:49:39.706
structure that verifies and

0:49:39.726 --> 0:49:41.086
burns and yada, yada, yada.

0:49:43.867 --> 0:49:46.108
I think CCTP is simpler than that.

0:49:46.889 --> 0:49:47.010
Yeah.

0:49:48.668 --> 0:49:51.969
Anyway, SquidRouter v2 now has, I think,

0:49:52.010 --> 0:49:53.911
all the CCTP integrations.

0:49:54.030 --> 0:49:55.150
We've been using that a little bit more,

0:49:55.190 --> 0:49:56.331
which has been pretty cool

0:49:56.931 --> 0:49:58.012
to move USDC around.

0:49:58.353 --> 0:49:59.132
It's been very easy.

0:49:59.172 --> 0:50:00.833
Last time we were talking about this,

0:50:01.014 --> 0:50:02.273
didn't we find a way to

0:50:02.293 --> 0:50:05.054
send it both ways to EVM

0:50:05.114 --> 0:50:06.936
and back without fees?

0:50:07.215 --> 0:50:09.117
Did we figure that out?

0:50:09.597 --> 0:50:11.518
It used to be on cctp.money

0:50:11.539 --> 0:50:13.719
because before they were

0:50:13.739 --> 0:50:15.380
doing no bridge fees at all.

0:50:16.181 --> 0:50:17.121
And right now they're

0:50:17.141 --> 0:50:17.822
showing a bridge fee.

0:50:18.123 --> 0:50:19.143
I guess maybe this must be

0:50:19.184 --> 0:50:20.844
just the... It says minting

0:50:20.885 --> 0:50:21.905
gas and relayer costs.

0:50:21.945 --> 0:50:22.865
I assume that's the Ethereum

0:50:22.905 --> 0:50:24.286
gas that's coming up in here.

0:50:25.327 --> 0:50:26.407
That's my only guess on that.

0:50:26.427 --> 0:50:28.489
What is it, like $6 or something?

0:50:28.509 --> 0:50:28.489
$10?

0:50:28.809 --> 0:50:29.769
Here it's showing... I was

0:50:29.789 --> 0:50:30.530
trying to move $50 and it

0:50:30.550 --> 0:50:31.490
said it was going to take

0:50:31.490 --> 0:50:33.012
$20 out of the bridge fee.

0:50:33.773 --> 0:50:35.054
So Squid's showing $0.

0:50:37.429 --> 0:50:38.971
Um, but I don't know.

0:50:39.550 --> 0:50:39.791
I still,

0:50:39.811 --> 0:50:41.012
you still got to do the fucking

0:50:41.072 --> 0:50:41.811
Ethereum permission, uh,

0:50:43.873 --> 0:50:46.454
to use the token on, on that,

0:50:46.494 --> 0:50:47.695
which is usually whatever

0:50:47.715 --> 0:50:48.115
that's going to be.

0:50:48.335 --> 0:50:49.036
I can take a look here.

0:50:49.056 --> 0:50:50.496
It's probably, it's gotta be 15 bucks.

0:50:50.536 --> 0:50:55.518
So jigs van Louie, Lee, Lee, Lee, when you,

0:50:55.980 --> 0:50:56.699
sorry, sir,

0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:58.001
for butchering the shit out of

0:50:58.041 --> 0:50:59.701
your name says, uh,

0:50:59.780 --> 0:51:01.202
squid is not actually free.

0:51:01.922 --> 0:51:04.264
The fee is just obfuscated.

0:51:04.943 --> 0:51:05.605
Yeah, that could be.

0:51:05.625 --> 0:51:07.206
Because also you have to do

0:51:07.907 --> 0:51:09.168
the permission on Ethereum

0:51:09.188 --> 0:51:10.889
to be able to use Squid for that token.

0:51:11.690 --> 0:51:13.891
And so that is an $8, obviously,

0:51:14.972 --> 0:51:15.594
contract call.

0:51:15.614 --> 0:51:16.695
And then after that, we'll see.

0:51:17.574 --> 0:51:18.076
But yeah.

0:51:19.376 --> 0:51:20.717
Noble takes 0.5% up to $5 to

0:51:20.737 --> 0:51:21.338
exit Noble Chain.

0:51:21.358 --> 0:51:21.818
There you go.

0:51:29.722 --> 0:51:30.543
What is this?

0:51:30.742 --> 0:51:33.565
Claiming my alt airdrop cost

0:51:33.565 --> 0:51:35.407
19 bucks in gas,

0:51:35.807 --> 0:51:37.329
approximately 10% of the airdrop.

0:51:37.570 --> 0:51:38.351
Good one, Ben Davis.

0:51:38.391 --> 0:51:40.432
You still got 90% of free money.

0:51:40.452 --> 0:51:41.894
GG.

0:51:41.914 --> 0:51:44.777
Yeah, I was going to say the same.

0:51:45.378 --> 0:51:45.858
Excellent.

0:51:45.918 --> 0:51:47.541
So you made out positively

0:51:47.621 --> 0:51:48.782
on a crypto investment.

0:51:49.643 --> 0:51:49.902
That's...

0:51:50.989 --> 0:51:52.451
That 90% that you retain is

0:51:52.492 --> 0:51:53.893
also a better win rate than

0:51:54.213 --> 0:51:55.333
everybody in the space.

0:51:55.855 --> 0:51:57.215
It kind of reminds me of the

0:51:57.235 --> 0:51:58.016
Nigerian Prince scams.

0:51:58.036 --> 0:51:58.476
It's like,

0:51:58.777 --> 0:52:00.840
we've got $1,900 waiting for you.

0:52:00.940 --> 0:52:02.280
Just send us $19 to unlock

0:52:02.380 --> 0:52:03.282
it to this bank account.

0:52:16.447 --> 0:52:16.947
To this really,

0:52:16.967 --> 0:52:17.748
really specific bank

0:52:17.789 --> 0:52:18.528
account that doesn't have

0:52:18.548 --> 0:52:19.369
the same name on it.

0:52:19.769 --> 0:52:21.811
You just needed tax and fees

0:52:22.891 --> 0:52:25.054
to unlock your... Just taxes and fees.

0:52:25.293 --> 0:52:28.795
Your inheritance of $500 billion.

0:52:28.835 --> 0:52:29.175
Yeah,

0:52:30.117 --> 0:52:32.277
the only person asking for tax and

0:52:32.318 --> 0:52:33.358
fees on any kind of

0:52:33.398 --> 0:52:35.400
inheritance is the fucking government.

0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:37.922
And the kind of numbers that

0:52:37.942 --> 0:52:40.643
are involved in those scams, you're like,

0:52:40.684 --> 0:52:42.804
well, it's... Yeah.

0:52:43.126 --> 0:52:43.485
Anyway...

0:52:44.472 --> 0:52:46.233
Anyway, sorry,

0:52:46.253 --> 0:52:48.675
it's just shitting me that Guy,

0:52:48.775 --> 0:52:49.596
is that how you say it?

0:52:49.876 --> 0:52:51.637
Guy van Leeuwen in the chat

0:52:51.757 --> 0:52:53.458
has got almost exactly the

0:52:53.498 --> 0:52:54.398
same name as Troy van

0:52:54.438 --> 0:52:57.561
Leeuwen from Perfect Circle and Failure.

0:52:57.601 --> 0:52:57.900
Heiss.

0:52:58.722 --> 0:52:59.641
Heiss, okay.

0:52:59.762 --> 0:53:01.884
So Heiss in the chat has a very,

0:53:01.943 --> 0:53:03.844
very similar name to TVL

0:53:03.885 --> 0:53:06.005
from Failure and Perfect

0:53:06.047 --> 0:53:08.367
Circle and Queens of the Stone Age.

0:53:09.809 --> 0:53:10.208
I'm sorry,

0:53:10.248 --> 0:53:13.751
did you just say G-I-J-S is Heiss?

0:53:15.213 --> 0:53:17.675
heist it's dutch yeah holy

0:53:17.875 --> 0:53:20.077
shit there's a whole world

0:53:20.137 --> 0:53:21.998
out there now there is

0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:24.099
they've taken those those

0:53:24.139 --> 0:53:25.280
letters to a fucking whole

0:53:25.340 --> 0:53:32.907
new level it's like jose

0:53:33.748 --> 0:53:36.971
gvl that's a great that's a

0:53:37.010 --> 0:53:38.391
great nickname I don't know

0:53:38.411 --> 0:53:39.291
if anybody's done that yet

0:53:39.331 --> 0:53:42.315
but gvl why is that a good nickname

0:53:43.987 --> 0:53:44.887
Just got a ring to it.

0:53:45.307 --> 0:53:46.728
Why is any nickname good?

0:53:46.748 --> 0:53:47.108
No.

0:53:49.449 --> 0:53:51.349
Not all of us give ourselves

0:53:51.429 --> 0:53:52.869
our own nickname like you have.

0:53:56.590 --> 0:53:56.791
What?

0:53:57.112 --> 0:53:57.472
Yeah.

0:53:58.032 --> 0:53:58.532
That's mine.

0:53:58.891 --> 0:53:59.132
No.

0:54:02.313 --> 0:54:03.193
One of these days I'll run

0:54:03.233 --> 0:54:04.494
into somebody whose handle

0:54:04.554 --> 0:54:07.233
is nonce and that's going to be a day.

0:54:07.253 --> 0:54:08.175
Nounce.

0:54:08.195 --> 0:54:08.514
Nounce.

0:54:08.534 --> 0:54:10.735
Sorry.

0:54:18.077 --> 0:54:21.221
n once um so yeah I

0:54:21.260 --> 0:54:22.041
genuinely thought it was

0:54:22.081 --> 0:54:23.282
pronounced n once that's

0:54:23.342 --> 0:54:24.583
kind of what I've assumed

0:54:24.784 --> 0:54:27.465
and then I was I was in the

0:54:27.485 --> 0:54:28.686
computer science department

0:54:29.507 --> 0:54:30.628
and I had two people

0:54:30.688 --> 0:54:31.829
walking past like

0:54:31.929 --> 0:54:32.750
professors or whatever and

0:54:33.210 --> 0:54:33.811
one of them just said

0:54:33.851 --> 0:54:34.251
something something

0:54:34.271 --> 0:54:34.992
something nonce and the

0:54:35.032 --> 0:54:35.753
other one went oh something

0:54:35.773 --> 0:54:36.592
something something nonce

0:54:36.632 --> 0:54:37.434
and I was like okay

0:54:39.052 --> 0:54:40.672
there you go it's just that

0:54:40.773 --> 0:54:42.614
these people are more

0:54:42.693 --> 0:54:44.355
evolved than me that they

0:54:44.414 --> 0:54:45.755
don't immediately break

0:54:45.795 --> 0:54:47.295
down laughing at it every

0:54:47.315 --> 0:54:48.916
time they hear it because I

0:54:48.956 --> 0:54:49.936
was just stood there going

0:54:51.257 --> 0:54:52.936
I just don't know how like

0:54:53.097 --> 0:54:56.418
would would you say o-n-c-e

0:54:56.538 --> 0:54:59.378
is that does that come out as once

0:55:00.219 --> 0:55:01.780
once that's how you say once

0:55:01.900 --> 0:55:04.643
the word once is it remove

0:55:04.663 --> 0:55:05.724
the n and look at it yes

0:55:05.824 --> 0:55:07.045
but why did you just detach

0:55:07.065 --> 0:55:08.286
the n from it though like

0:55:08.306 --> 0:55:09.425
why were you in once

0:55:11.688 --> 0:55:12.909
because n once is a

0:55:12.969 --> 0:55:15.010
concatenation of n hyphen

0:55:15.170 --> 0:55:16.952
once yeah but there's no

0:55:16.992 --> 0:55:19.092
hyphen because people run

0:55:19.112 --> 0:55:20.373
it together have you

0:55:20.414 --> 0:55:21.934
noticed how cosmos hub are

0:55:21.974 --> 0:55:23.356
two words and yet everybody

0:55:23.376 --> 0:55:24.836
writes cosmos hub as one word

0:55:28.067 --> 0:55:32.630
no it is very common happens

0:55:33.150 --> 0:55:34.130
like that I mean well

0:55:34.150 --> 0:55:35.030
concatenation I mean

0:55:35.050 --> 0:55:36.072
there's two methods of

0:55:36.112 --> 0:55:36.811
concatenation there's

0:55:36.831 --> 0:55:37.773
straight concatenation and

0:55:37.793 --> 0:55:38.833
there's like portmanteaus

0:55:38.853 --> 0:55:41.074
but that's like a I'm not a

0:55:42.255 --> 0:55:45.016
etymologist ben davis says

0:55:45.056 --> 0:55:46.737
drink did someone mention tax

0:55:49.980 --> 0:55:50.559
Or a PhD?

0:55:51.081 --> 0:55:51.960
Oh, actually, no.

0:55:52.021 --> 0:55:54.262
The fray mentioned the government tax fees,

0:55:54.322 --> 0:55:54.762
yes.

0:55:55.643 --> 0:55:57.224
Or, yeah, PhD.

0:55:57.704 --> 0:56:00.626
Is it a tax bill, probably?

0:56:00.847 --> 0:56:02.407
It's probably more likely.

0:56:03.048 --> 0:56:06.690
I'm doing a doctorate, Bill.

0:56:07.831 --> 0:56:09.273
Are you going to be like,

0:56:10.213 --> 0:56:12.375
is it... Five years' time,

0:56:12.795 --> 0:56:13.795
and I have to pass it.

0:56:14.844 --> 0:56:17.525
who is the bird from that

0:56:17.625 --> 0:56:19.005
show about the aliens?

0:56:19.344 --> 0:56:20.445
And she's always like,

0:56:20.625 --> 0:56:21.706
I'm a medical doctor.

0:56:26.567 --> 0:56:27.766
I'm a crypto doctor.

0:56:29.867 --> 0:56:30.887
Hi, my name's the free.

0:56:30.947 --> 0:56:32.027
I'm a crypto doctor.

0:56:34.228 --> 0:56:35.048
What is her name?

0:56:35.268 --> 0:56:35.748
Fucking.

0:56:38.110 --> 0:56:39.309
I don't even know the name of the show.

0:56:39.789 --> 0:56:41.329
It's the, it's got skull.

0:56:41.409 --> 0:56:42.411
Oh, it's Kelly.

0:56:42.690 --> 0:56:43.050
Scully.

0:56:43.998 --> 0:56:45.880
Every time something's going,

0:56:46.219 --> 0:56:47.121
get out of my way.

0:56:47.460 --> 0:56:48.601
I'm a medical doctor.

0:56:48.621 --> 0:56:49.742
Yeah, the X-Files.

0:56:49.902 --> 0:56:51.021
It's hilarious.

0:56:51.682 --> 0:56:52.023
Oh, yeah.

0:56:52.762 --> 0:56:53.503
She always says it.

0:56:54.063 --> 0:56:54.943
She doesn't say I'm a doctor.

0:56:54.963 --> 0:56:56.164
She says I'm a medical doctor.

0:56:57.684 --> 0:56:58.445
Does she use them?

0:56:58.824 --> 0:56:59.565
I mean,

0:57:00.545 --> 0:57:02.206
it's an important distinction when

0:57:02.246 --> 0:57:03.447
I guess there's somebody on the floor.

0:57:03.467 --> 0:57:07.088
It's like, is there a doctor in the house?

0:57:07.527 --> 0:57:08.827
Oh, yes, I'm a doctor of economics.

0:57:09.347 --> 0:57:09.748
Excellent.

0:57:09.768 --> 0:57:12.809
That's going to fucking... Well, I mean,

0:57:12.949 --> 0:57:15.170
you could do the same thing

0:57:15.349 --> 0:57:17.570
when you're at like, you know,

0:57:17.610 --> 0:57:18.931
a conference and someone's

0:57:19.090 --> 0:57:21.652
struggling with, you know, like...

0:57:24.233 --> 0:57:25.512
some crypto thing in the

0:57:25.572 --> 0:57:26.693
corner he's going to push

0:57:26.713 --> 0:57:27.673
them out of the way and be

0:57:27.693 --> 0:57:29.295
like let me through I'm a

0:57:29.494 --> 0:57:31.755
crypto doctor so what I've

0:57:31.795 --> 0:57:33.856
noticed is in academia like

0:57:34.177 --> 0:57:35.358
generally people don't even

0:57:35.878 --> 0:57:37.378
mention it or it's not even

0:57:37.719 --> 0:57:39.980
listed anywhere because if

0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:41.039
you're just a doctor you're

0:57:41.059 --> 0:57:42.501
so low in the pecking order

0:57:43.340 --> 0:57:44.262
that it's not even

0:57:44.302 --> 0:57:46.563
mentioned that's like table

0:57:46.583 --> 0:57:48.023
stakes that's table stakes

0:57:48.043 --> 0:57:49.003
for being in the building

0:57:49.864 --> 0:57:51.885
right what comes after that

0:57:53.418 --> 0:57:55.300
associate I think associate

0:57:55.340 --> 0:57:57.400
lecturer then lecturer then

0:57:57.440 --> 0:57:59.402
associate professor then

0:57:59.422 --> 0:58:00.523
professor something like

0:58:00.563 --> 0:58:01.864
that can you be any of

0:58:01.923 --> 0:58:02.963
those things without being

0:58:03.003 --> 0:58:08.867
a doctor no huh it's like

0:58:08.927 --> 0:58:10.867
it's the academia has

0:58:12.449 --> 0:58:13.909
hierarchy as far as I can

0:58:13.949 --> 0:58:16.190
tell it's like it it's kind

0:58:16.231 --> 0:58:17.211
of weird because like I'm kind of

0:58:18.393 --> 0:58:19.994
on very much on the outside

0:58:20.034 --> 0:58:21.074
of it I'm like the lowest

0:58:21.114 --> 0:58:21.815
of the pecking order

0:58:21.855 --> 0:58:23.536
because I'm from industry

0:58:23.896 --> 0:58:27.277
and just doing a phd so if

0:58:27.438 --> 0:58:28.557
people don't assume that

0:58:28.577 --> 0:58:29.898
you're you want to be in

0:58:29.978 --> 0:58:31.039
academia and you're going

0:58:31.059 --> 0:58:32.880
to stick around there's

0:58:32.940 --> 0:58:34.920
like an extra layer of like

0:58:37.282 --> 0:58:40.242
cool ben davis says fuck

0:58:40.282 --> 0:58:42.103
you you're wrong you can be

0:58:42.123 --> 0:58:43.284
elected without being a doctor

0:58:45.135 --> 0:58:47.215
I've seen lecturers that are

0:58:47.536 --> 0:58:50.317
basically off the street with no shoes.

0:58:52.097 --> 0:58:54.438
Yeah, I mean, mate, I don't know.

0:58:54.697 --> 0:58:56.458
I don't know, actually, about that.

0:58:57.838 --> 0:59:01.940
But you could be a teaching assistant.

0:59:04.119 --> 0:59:05.201
You can be like a PGTE.

0:59:06.737 --> 0:59:08.739
whoever is pgta but even

0:59:08.778 --> 0:59:09.780
then you still have to have

0:59:09.820 --> 0:59:14.081
a master's I want to I i

0:59:14.222 --> 0:59:18.565
think maybe in I think

0:59:18.605 --> 0:59:20.206
maybe in jolly england

0:59:21.505 --> 0:59:22.286
maybe the rules are

0:59:22.327 --> 0:59:23.447
different maybe a little

0:59:23.467 --> 0:59:24.987
bit more fucking uh you

0:59:25.027 --> 0:59:26.809
know snobby over there

0:59:27.650 --> 0:59:29.550
you've got to be educated to educate man

0:59:30.922 --> 0:59:34.903
imagine by surprise okay so

0:59:34.923 --> 0:59:36.224
you can't teach at school

0:59:36.625 --> 0:59:37.525
you can't teach at a

0:59:37.606 --> 0:59:38.847
secondary school until you

0:59:38.887 --> 0:59:41.128
have a degree and a teacher

0:59:41.168 --> 0:59:42.148
training qualification

0:59:42.248 --> 0:59:46.271
which is uh bullshit I know

0:59:46.490 --> 0:59:47.952
over here that there are pe

0:59:48.893 --> 0:59:50.353
and science teachers that

0:59:50.634 --> 0:59:52.835
don't have any qualifications whatsoever

0:59:54.175 --> 0:59:55.478
And substitute teachers.

0:59:55.538 --> 0:59:57.159
They're basically vague.

0:59:57.280 --> 0:59:58.300
I'm talking about a country

0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:01.143
that has higher educational standards.

1:00:01.425 --> 1:00:02.385
Fucking walked into that.

1:00:02.947 --> 1:00:03.947
Just walked right into that.

1:00:06.590 --> 1:00:07.492
No, over a year,

1:00:09.114 --> 1:00:11.215
my math teacher was also my garbage man.

1:00:12.338 --> 1:00:14.019
He literally walked right into that.

1:00:16.231 --> 1:00:16.793
Yeah, it's true.

1:00:16.813 --> 1:00:18.994
When you've got 15 people in a town,

1:00:19.034 --> 1:00:20.617
people got to multitask.

1:00:22.018 --> 1:00:22.478
Over here,

1:00:22.518 --> 1:00:24.061
we have settlements that go up

1:00:24.121 --> 1:00:25.983
to a million people.

1:00:26.282 --> 1:00:28.164
Like your PE classes,

1:00:28.646 --> 1:00:30.067
everybody running around delivering mail.

1:00:30.086 --> 1:00:30.688
Yeah.

1:00:32.610 --> 1:00:34.353
You have to get out of there.

1:00:34.373 --> 1:00:34.875
All right.

1:00:34.934 --> 1:00:35.335
Oh, Lex.

1:00:36.097 --> 1:00:37.780
Lex is yawping in the chat.

1:00:38.521 --> 1:00:39.161
There's quite a bit of

1:00:39.202 --> 1:00:40.103
yawping in the chat.

1:00:40.143 --> 1:00:40.945
Respect the yawp.

1:00:40.965 --> 1:00:41.887
You've got to respect the yawp.

1:00:42.047 --> 1:00:42.708
Even though.

1:00:43.228 --> 1:00:44.411
Even Adam Farnsworth.

1:00:44.811 --> 1:00:46.134
Welcome Adam to the yawp.

1:00:47.690 --> 1:00:48.311
Speaking of yapping,

1:00:48.931 --> 1:00:49.411
another piece of news?

1:00:49.431 --> 1:00:50.893
The whole title of this episode, right,

1:00:50.952 --> 1:00:52.614
was because we have a

1:00:52.673 --> 1:00:55.115
theory that if you yelp at the wrong time,

1:00:55.155 --> 1:00:58.157
you get kicked to death by a foundation,

1:00:58.237 --> 1:00:58.438
right?

1:00:58.498 --> 1:00:59.277
That was our theory.

1:00:59.717 --> 1:01:00.518
It was a bit a lot.

1:01:00.579 --> 1:01:02.420
It was a lot of yapping at one time.

1:01:02.440 --> 1:01:03.641
It was a bit too much.

1:01:04.101 --> 1:01:05.902
So the background here is in

1:01:05.922 --> 1:01:06.802
a private channel,

1:01:07.902 --> 1:01:09.784
the members of this podcast

1:01:10.264 --> 1:01:11.244
saw a post from a

1:01:11.304 --> 1:01:13.387
foundation and were all so

1:01:13.467 --> 1:01:15.268
quick out of the gate to yelp

1:01:16.500 --> 1:01:17.081
you know we're talking

1:01:17.161 --> 1:01:18.625
several several plus

1:01:18.644 --> 1:01:19.708
several friends of the show

1:01:19.768 --> 1:01:22.733
as well just a stream of your pin

1:01:24.010 --> 1:01:26.233
that got the channel locked

1:01:26.393 --> 1:01:28.173
because another node

1:01:28.233 --> 1:01:31.036
operator complained about

1:01:31.135 --> 1:01:34.699
how much your ping was for

1:01:34.739 --> 1:01:36.440
the number of notifications

1:01:36.900 --> 1:01:38.702
to be reduced.

1:01:38.981 --> 1:01:40.623
Isn't this an announcement channel?

1:01:42.364 --> 1:01:43.405
Should this not be locked?

1:01:43.465 --> 1:01:45.367
Should there be notifications?

1:01:45.987 --> 1:01:48.108
I can't stand all these notifications.

1:01:48.568 --> 1:01:49.769
Should there be less shilling?

1:01:50.309 --> 1:01:51.170
All of this your ping.

1:01:52.657 --> 1:01:53.838
All this ass kissing is

1:01:53.878 --> 1:01:54.778
keeping me up at night.

1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:57.480
That's exactly what happened.

1:02:00.202 --> 1:02:01.282
It is exactly what happened.

1:02:01.583 --> 1:02:03.123
We just got, we got, it was an over yop.

1:02:04.331 --> 1:02:05.231
I was just trying to beat Schultz.

1:02:05.251 --> 1:02:05.532
That's it.

1:02:05.793 --> 1:02:06.492
That's all I was trying to do.

1:02:06.512 --> 1:02:07.333
I didn't want to yelp,

1:02:07.353 --> 1:02:08.353
but I knew he was going to come in.

1:02:08.373 --> 1:02:09.813
I was like, well, shit, I can't be,

1:02:09.833 --> 1:02:10.494
I can't be after him.

1:02:10.514 --> 1:02:11.514
So I'm not going to yelp.

1:02:11.755 --> 1:02:12.416
Swing him with something.

1:02:12.456 --> 1:02:14.416
Well, we all go at the same time.

1:02:14.677 --> 1:02:14.876
Right.

1:02:14.896 --> 1:02:16.117
So there's like three within

1:02:16.137 --> 1:02:16.777
a half a second.

1:02:17.498 --> 1:02:19.259
The yelp is very much like a

1:02:19.298 --> 1:02:20.418
time bar thing.

1:02:20.739 --> 1:02:21.398
And you know,

1:02:21.500 --> 1:02:22.599
the further away from the

1:02:22.639 --> 1:02:24.081
channel open your yelp gets

1:02:24.201 --> 1:02:26.481
like the least, you know, the less,

1:02:26.782 --> 1:02:29.342
the less effect the yelp has.

1:02:29.922 --> 1:02:31.423
It's like a nuclear decay rate.

1:02:31.523 --> 1:02:32.784
It's got a half-life, right?

1:02:32.824 --> 1:02:33.164
For sure.

1:02:33.204 --> 1:02:33.885
Like every minute.

1:02:34.324 --> 1:02:35.206
yelp.

1:02:36.487 --> 1:02:38.106
It's like the longer from

1:02:38.347 --> 1:02:39.949
the last post by the foundation,

1:02:40.128 --> 1:02:40.829
because they're the big

1:02:40.869 --> 1:02:41.829
dogs and everybody else is

1:02:41.849 --> 1:02:42.449
the little dog.

1:02:42.670 --> 1:02:44.891
You're not yelping to the little dogs.

1:02:45.172 --> 1:02:45.632
It's like that.

1:02:45.831 --> 1:02:49.173
The decay rate of time, like pure entropy,

1:02:49.735 --> 1:02:51.456
and then also every yelp

1:02:52.335 --> 1:02:56.778
ahead of you multiplies that decay rate.

1:02:56.838 --> 1:02:59.239
In addition, you're being cucked by them.

1:02:59.780 --> 1:03:00.340
You do need to...

1:03:03.173 --> 1:03:04.235
Plus, you can't say the same shit.

1:03:04.755 --> 1:03:06.878
You have to spin that yaw.

1:03:07.340 --> 1:03:08.300
No, no, no.

1:03:08.561 --> 1:03:09.842
If it's salute, it's fine.

1:03:09.862 --> 1:03:11.063
You can always do the salute.

1:03:11.465 --> 1:03:12.806
You don't spend seconds

1:03:12.887 --> 1:03:14.088
thinking about what to yaw up.

1:03:14.168 --> 1:03:16.592
I mean, there's a valuable, expensive...

1:03:17.523 --> 1:03:18.503
By the way,

1:03:18.523 --> 1:03:20.304
somebody might yelp ahead of you,

1:03:20.364 --> 1:03:21.244
and then that's just one

1:03:21.284 --> 1:03:24.445
more assault on your manhood.

1:03:24.905 --> 1:03:26.045
That salute bullshit doesn't

1:03:26.085 --> 1:03:26.646
work in Slack.

1:03:26.686 --> 1:03:28.286
That's a Discord-only fucking thing.

1:03:28.465 --> 1:03:31.447
Yeah, salute doesn't work in Slack.

1:03:31.467 --> 1:03:32.047
Slack is like,

1:03:32.106 --> 1:03:33.847
that's a higher level of yelp.

1:03:33.867 --> 1:03:34.927
You need to put some thought into it.

1:03:34.947 --> 1:03:35.887
Slack has to involve intellect.

1:03:35.927 --> 1:03:37.028
It's an intellectual yelp.

1:03:37.048 --> 1:03:38.568
Slack is the intellectual Discord.

1:03:45.851 --> 1:03:48.550
Which means I've got a week

1:03:48.570 --> 1:03:49.692
of research before Yorke.

1:03:52.192 --> 1:03:54.092
By the time Null's done his

1:03:54.231 --> 1:03:55.713
week of research to Yorke,

1:03:55.873 --> 1:03:57.952
it's just like 1,800

1:03:57.952 --> 1:03:59.452
degenerates in front of him.

1:03:59.492 --> 1:04:01.653
He's like, well, this was good.

1:04:01.833 --> 1:04:02.673
This was worthwhile.

1:04:02.713 --> 1:04:04.753
This was worth a week of research.

1:04:04.773 --> 1:04:07.534
But then I come in with my

1:04:08.094 --> 1:04:08.974
highly intelligent

1:04:09.014 --> 1:04:10.394
intellectual Yorke and then

1:04:10.414 --> 1:04:12.556
it nullifies the rest.

1:04:12.635 --> 1:04:14.295
It's like they just all ignite into fire.

1:04:14.996 --> 1:04:16.599
So you're saying that you're

1:04:16.619 --> 1:04:20.023
like Pooh Bear in the tuxedo, right?

1:04:20.163 --> 1:04:22.385
And we're like Pooh Bear in

1:04:22.425 --> 1:04:23.686
normal Pooh Bear clothes.

1:04:23.867 --> 1:04:25.929
And then we look a bit shit.

1:04:27.509 --> 1:04:31.330
Plus, your Yop usually comes in a good 12,

1:04:31.330 --> 1:04:33.192
14 hours after everybody else has done it,

1:04:33.211 --> 1:04:33.692
because it's probably

1:04:33.711 --> 1:04:34.952
happened early East Coast time,

1:04:34.972 --> 1:04:37.012
which means it shows up.

1:04:37.634 --> 1:04:38.393
It's the offset,

1:04:38.634 --> 1:04:40.715
and then you say something cool,

1:04:40.735 --> 1:04:41.474
and you're like, well, fuck you.

1:04:41.514 --> 1:04:42.096
It's tomorrow.

1:04:44.036 --> 1:04:45.456
I get killed by the offset.

1:04:45.476 --> 1:04:48.297
Fucking the offset cost me

1:04:48.318 --> 1:04:50.199
an Aptos position, I'm sure of it.

1:04:50.639 --> 1:04:50.980
It hurts.

1:04:51.219 --> 1:04:53.661
It really puts a ding in the Yop game.

1:04:53.681 --> 1:04:56.021
You've got to work nights.

1:04:58.246 --> 1:04:59.387
he's already working nights

1:04:59.407 --> 1:05:00.748
that's the problem he's too

1:05:00.789 --> 1:05:02.289
busy working nights on the

1:05:02.869 --> 1:05:05.010
on the marginal gains and

1:05:05.070 --> 1:05:06.570
not getting sleep getting

1:05:06.590 --> 1:05:07.972
well rested taking some

1:05:08.032 --> 1:05:09.532
time off taking some me

1:05:09.612 --> 1:05:11.652
time educating myself you

1:05:11.693 --> 1:05:13.054
know just ready for that

1:05:13.114 --> 1:05:14.695
yelp kind of trying to yeah

1:05:14.735 --> 1:05:16.514
trying to ease the burnout

1:05:16.675 --> 1:05:17.916
to be a hundred percent

1:05:17.956 --> 1:05:20.056
game ready for the optimal

1:05:20.097 --> 1:05:22.438
yelp that's how that's the

1:05:22.518 --> 1:05:23.918
true sigma grind set

1:05:24.838 --> 1:05:26.500
i think you know your

1:05:27.380 --> 1:05:30.181
optimal like your ability

1:05:30.302 --> 1:05:32.402
comes at peak burnout and

1:05:32.422 --> 1:05:33.563
you have to sustain peak

1:05:33.603 --> 1:05:35.443
burnout for like years that

1:05:35.503 --> 1:05:38.766
is demonstrably untrue peak

1:05:38.806 --> 1:05:40.547
burnout for years oh yeah

1:05:40.827 --> 1:05:42.487
my flame burns bright my

1:05:42.547 --> 1:05:44.789
friend so honestly I had

1:05:44.809 --> 1:05:46.568
this really mortifying

1:05:46.608 --> 1:05:47.429
thing that happened a

1:05:47.469 --> 1:05:49.650
little while ago which was that um

1:05:51.148 --> 1:05:52.429
So I took some time off,

1:05:53.331 --> 1:05:56.253
like proper time off, as in laptop away,

1:05:57.094 --> 1:05:58.594
not touching it for any

1:05:58.635 --> 1:05:59.596
fucking reason for a week

1:06:00.235 --> 1:06:00.976
over this Christmas,

1:06:02.557 --> 1:06:03.438
which is something you can

1:06:03.478 --> 1:06:04.259
do when you're stuck at

1:06:04.298 --> 1:06:05.639
home because you have a sick child,

1:06:06.360 --> 1:06:07.922
which you can't do if you

1:06:07.942 --> 1:06:10.103
go on an actual holiday as a validator.

1:06:10.123 --> 1:06:11.204
You have to have your laptop

1:06:11.244 --> 1:06:12.405
with you at all times and

1:06:12.565 --> 1:06:13.186
kind of vaguely

1:06:13.226 --> 1:06:14.706
compulsively be aware of where it is.

1:06:14.728 --> 1:06:16.628
It's fun, actually,

1:06:16.688 --> 1:06:17.829
jet skiing with a laptop.

1:06:18.503 --> 1:06:20.985
It, do you know, I was, I was hiking,

1:06:21.425 --> 1:06:21.726
you know,

1:06:21.867 --> 1:06:23.347
like in the mountains and I had

1:06:23.367 --> 1:06:25.949
a laptop and a phone with a

1:06:26.309 --> 1:06:28.472
wifi hotspot and shit with

1:06:28.512 --> 1:06:29.431
me in a rucksack.

1:06:30.072 --> 1:06:31.454
And I was like, I was like, Hmm,

1:06:31.614 --> 1:06:32.635
some on some level,

1:06:32.675 --> 1:06:34.556
this is not as relaxing as it could be.

1:06:35.237 --> 1:06:36.858
And it turns out like if you're at home,

1:06:37.297 --> 1:06:38.920
you just fucking put your

1:06:38.940 --> 1:06:40.721
laptop under the sofa or whatever,

1:06:40.840 --> 1:06:41.181
and just,

1:06:41.201 --> 1:06:42.402
you can't fucking see it and you

1:06:42.422 --> 1:06:43.362
forget about it and you can

1:06:43.402 --> 1:06:45.184
actually relax as mad anyway.

1:06:46.065 --> 1:06:48.146
after doing that I reflected

1:06:48.206 --> 1:06:50.007
back on some meetings we'd

1:06:50.047 --> 1:06:51.588
had in like november

1:06:51.628 --> 1:06:52.969
december like new business

1:06:53.010 --> 1:06:54.530
type meetings and I was

1:06:54.570 --> 1:06:57.331
like I sounded like a

1:06:57.592 --> 1:07:00.034
fucking idiot and like you

1:07:00.074 --> 1:07:01.355
know when you're like if

1:07:01.375 --> 1:07:02.775
you're kind of proud of

1:07:03.396 --> 1:07:04.476
trying to do a good job I

1:07:04.496 --> 1:07:05.498
know usurpers talked about

1:07:05.538 --> 1:07:06.418
this when we've done the

1:07:06.818 --> 1:07:07.958
the game of nodes business

1:07:08.018 --> 1:07:10.221
chat before on the podcast

1:07:10.721 --> 1:07:11.722
you service said like you know

1:07:12.998 --> 1:07:13.818
bunch of stuff about how

1:07:13.858 --> 1:07:14.478
like if you take better

1:07:14.498 --> 1:07:15.239
pride in your work you're

1:07:15.259 --> 1:07:16.079
going to beat other people

1:07:16.380 --> 1:07:17.380
to contracts and that's how

1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:20.001
you do it right and and I

1:07:20.041 --> 1:07:21.101
think to some degree I

1:07:21.282 --> 1:07:22.882
think we all kind of have

1:07:23.463 --> 1:07:25.403
pride in our work right but

1:07:25.503 --> 1:07:27.425
sometimes you are not a

1:07:27.465 --> 1:07:28.746
good judge of where you're

1:07:28.925 --> 1:07:30.286
at and I think that was why

1:07:30.306 --> 1:07:31.726
I had this moment of like

1:07:31.806 --> 1:07:33.208
horror because I realized I

1:07:33.228 --> 1:07:34.389
got into these meetings thinking like

1:07:34.989 --> 1:07:35.789
I'm on top of stuff.

1:07:36.190 --> 1:07:36.630
It's fine.

1:07:36.650 --> 1:07:37.610
I'm just going to talk about like,

1:07:37.650 --> 1:07:37.871
you know,

1:07:37.931 --> 1:07:39.050
all these other things we've been doing.

1:07:39.070 --> 1:07:40.311
We've got this experience over here.

1:07:40.331 --> 1:07:41.512
We've got this experience over here.

1:07:41.833 --> 1:07:43.253
We do this cool stuff in crypto.

1:07:43.273 --> 1:07:44.134
That's real cutting edge.

1:07:44.153 --> 1:07:44.914
We're on top of things.

1:07:45.454 --> 1:07:46.215
And then I was just like,

1:07:46.536 --> 1:07:47.215
you're reflecting on like

1:07:47.255 --> 1:07:48.936
what I actually must've sounded like.

1:07:49.036 --> 1:07:49.858
I just sounded like a

1:07:49.898 --> 1:07:51.878
complete fucking idiot.

1:07:52.059 --> 1:07:52.398
Like a,

1:07:53.739 --> 1:07:55.161
like the guy in the corner of the pub.

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Yeah, because if you're that tired,

1:07:58.851 --> 1:08:04.815
like you're, you, it's my, I mean,

1:08:06.137 --> 1:08:07.378
it's like this is a bad,

1:08:09.059 --> 1:08:09.938
this is not going to sound

1:08:09.978 --> 1:08:10.980
right on this podcast, right?

1:08:11.019 --> 1:08:12.800
Because compulsively on this podcast,

1:08:13.521 --> 1:08:15.083
I have a habit of filling dead air,

1:08:15.282 --> 1:08:15.523
right?

1:08:15.543 --> 1:08:16.703
So I think I talk a lot more

1:08:16.743 --> 1:08:20.247
on this podcast than I do in real life,

1:08:20.907 --> 1:08:21.146
right?

1:08:21.266 --> 1:08:22.627
Is your problem in the room

1:08:22.648 --> 1:08:23.469
with us right now?

1:08:24.309 --> 1:08:24.569
Yes.

1:08:24.588 --> 1:08:24.909
Yeah.

1:08:26.215 --> 1:08:28.997
obviously schultzy talks

1:08:29.056 --> 1:08:30.757
about 50 less than I do and

1:08:31.358 --> 1:08:32.479
I have to make up the extra

1:08:32.519 --> 1:08:34.720
percentage and so I i leave

1:08:34.820 --> 1:08:35.881
every week with a horror

1:08:36.322 --> 1:08:38.603
integers are a long way off

1:08:39.484 --> 1:08:40.564
yeah like 90 10 50 yeah

1:08:41.164 --> 1:08:44.287
yeah but this is why every

1:08:44.506 --> 1:08:45.868
week it has something

1:08:45.967 --> 1:08:48.350
pertinent to say the phrase

1:08:48.390 --> 1:08:49.750
speaks this is a fucking

1:08:49.770 --> 1:08:51.150
podcast you have to speak

1:08:52.131 --> 1:08:52.912
and this ain't my first

1:08:52.972 --> 1:08:55.054
podcast I appreciate it I appreciate it

1:08:56.969 --> 1:08:58.770
But anyway, the long and short of it is,

1:08:58.970 --> 1:08:59.831
and now it has got to the

1:08:59.850 --> 1:09:00.612
long of it rather than the

1:09:00.631 --> 1:09:01.472
short of it is that I

1:09:01.552 --> 1:09:02.273
reflected in a bunch of

1:09:02.292 --> 1:09:03.073
meetings and I was like,

1:09:03.514 --> 1:09:05.695
the problem was when you're really,

1:09:05.735 --> 1:09:07.596
really tired, you have a habit of,

1:09:07.697 --> 1:09:09.538
especially early meetings with people.

1:09:09.578 --> 1:09:10.359
They're quite awkward.

1:09:10.378 --> 1:09:11.479
They're all about finding

1:09:12.060 --> 1:09:12.980
essentially rapport.

1:09:13.041 --> 1:09:13.662
Like you're just trying to

1:09:13.702 --> 1:09:14.542
win the people over.

1:09:14.622 --> 1:09:14.823
Right.

1:09:15.662 --> 1:09:17.043
And what you do when you're

1:09:17.064 --> 1:09:17.944
well rested and you're on

1:09:18.005 --> 1:09:18.886
top of things and you're on

1:09:18.905 --> 1:09:21.106
top of your game is you try

1:09:21.146 --> 1:09:22.488
and get those people on side.

1:09:22.528 --> 1:09:24.069
You try and find out what they need.

1:09:24.310 --> 1:09:24.489
Right.

1:09:24.689 --> 1:09:26.029
that you can give them that

1:09:26.149 --> 1:09:27.390
you can help them out with

1:09:27.671 --> 1:09:29.051
and ultimately you can sell

1:09:29.091 --> 1:09:29.891
them right that's that's

1:09:29.931 --> 1:09:30.692
your business you're like

1:09:30.752 --> 1:09:32.011
okay you need more people

1:09:32.091 --> 1:09:33.153
right I know some good

1:09:33.172 --> 1:09:34.033
people we can put together

1:09:34.052 --> 1:09:34.853
a team we can blah blah

1:09:34.872 --> 1:09:36.314
like it's all that stuff

1:09:36.373 --> 1:09:38.113
right when you're super

1:09:38.173 --> 1:09:40.994
tired at least me right I'm

1:09:41.015 --> 1:09:43.636
just like uh fuck here's a

1:09:43.655 --> 1:09:44.355
list of stuff we can do

1:09:45.560 --> 1:09:45.739
Right.

1:09:45.819 --> 1:09:48.483
And it's, well, you shoot the gun on, on,

1:09:48.722 --> 1:09:50.885
on, because you, you're trying to get,

1:09:51.225 --> 1:09:52.605
you're like super tired and you're,

1:09:52.886 --> 1:09:54.328
you're time poor and you

1:09:54.347 --> 1:09:56.449
have that rush of like that

1:09:56.569 --> 1:09:57.770
restless energy that Nell's

1:09:57.831 --> 1:09:58.332
talking about.

1:09:58.351 --> 1:10:00.313
And that energy takes you to just like, eh,

1:10:01.494 --> 1:10:02.055
that's what I found.

1:10:02.074 --> 1:10:03.615
Anyway, I was just like mortified by it.

1:10:03.636 --> 1:10:04.877
Looking back, I was like, oh,

1:10:05.939 --> 1:10:06.939
it's not how you talk to people.

1:10:08.134 --> 1:10:11.216
Well, also, I think sometimes in this role,

1:10:11.256 --> 1:10:12.015
you get pulled into

1:10:12.115 --> 1:10:13.697
different types of projects

1:10:13.976 --> 1:10:15.877
or things that happen and

1:10:15.917 --> 1:10:17.759
then maybe that you didn't

1:10:18.039 --> 1:10:18.699
think you were going to go

1:10:18.739 --> 1:10:19.739
do or just came up as an

1:10:19.779 --> 1:10:21.280
opportunity or you're on a

1:10:21.301 --> 1:10:22.082
bunch of different chains

1:10:22.322 --> 1:10:23.443
and then you or different

1:10:23.462 --> 1:10:24.422
types of things that you do

1:10:24.462 --> 1:10:25.384
for those different engagements.

1:10:25.423 --> 1:10:25.543
Right.

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And then when you,

1:10:27.064 --> 1:10:28.425
when somebody asks you like what you do,

1:10:28.465 --> 1:10:29.265
you try to put all these

1:10:29.286 --> 1:10:31.087
little islands together into a story.

1:10:31.106 --> 1:10:31.846
Right.

1:10:31.908 --> 1:10:32.847
And say like,

1:10:33.207 --> 1:10:34.048
how do I take these little

1:10:34.168 --> 1:10:35.069
islands of things that we

1:10:35.109 --> 1:10:36.951
do and actually convert that into like,

1:10:37.371 --> 1:10:39.072
we are the best at X. Right.

1:10:39.292 --> 1:10:41.372
And sometimes that on the spot,

1:10:41.493 --> 1:10:41.934
unless you're,

1:10:42.094 --> 1:10:42.734
unless you're really

1:10:42.774 --> 1:10:43.555
thinking about it can be

1:10:43.635 --> 1:10:44.555
really difficult because it

1:10:44.574 --> 1:10:45.555
just comes out as a jumbled

1:10:45.676 --> 1:10:46.856
sense of mess and bullshit.

1:10:47.396 --> 1:10:47.537
Right.

1:10:48.095 --> 1:10:49.416
It turns into, it turns into just saying,

1:10:49.456 --> 1:10:50.836
oh, we, this is the things that we do.

1:10:51.036 --> 1:10:51.756
Like we do this.

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And like, right.

1:10:53.277 --> 1:10:54.077
And it's difficult.

1:10:54.096 --> 1:10:56.597
A friend of mine described this as like,

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never list your CV.

1:10:58.859 --> 1:10:59.078
Yeah.

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Right.

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Even in a job,

1:11:00.340 --> 1:11:02.081
you never just list your CV.

1:11:02.301 --> 1:11:02.461
Right.

1:11:02.480 --> 1:11:03.560
That's never going to work.

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Yeah.

1:11:04.502 --> 1:11:04.942
What do you mean?

1:11:04.962 --> 1:11:06.601
What does that mean?

1:11:06.622 --> 1:11:07.983
Like just never list like

1:11:08.023 --> 1:11:09.184
the experiences that you've had.

1:11:10.064 --> 1:11:11.043
Like we're guilty of that too.

1:11:11.083 --> 1:11:12.064
Like if somebody asks us like,

1:11:12.145 --> 1:11:12.845
what do you guys do?

1:11:13.625 --> 1:11:14.865
Some of my first words are

1:11:15.065 --> 1:11:16.046
projects and chains that

1:11:16.065 --> 1:11:16.667
we're involved in,

1:11:16.766 --> 1:11:17.667
which really should not be.

1:11:18.533 --> 1:11:19.833
like some of those are good

1:11:19.854 --> 1:11:20.515
because we want to build

1:11:20.555 --> 1:11:21.574
name recognition of that.

1:11:21.675 --> 1:11:21.855
Right.

1:11:21.876 --> 1:11:23.256
We'd say, Oh yeah, we're, you know,

1:11:23.277 --> 1:11:25.518
we do X for Y, which is helpful.

1:11:25.679 --> 1:11:26.559
Literally what we did,

1:11:26.639 --> 1:11:27.640
what I did in one of these.

1:11:27.699 --> 1:11:27.979
Yeah.

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Like, yeah.

1:11:29.001 --> 1:11:30.301
And so the list of chains

1:11:30.381 --> 1:11:31.162
and a few of them,

1:11:31.182 --> 1:11:33.685
they hadn't even heard of obviously.

1:11:33.784 --> 1:11:35.405
And then, and you're like,

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Yeah,

1:11:37.529 --> 1:11:39.551
and so it's tough to be able to step

1:11:39.572 --> 1:11:41.453
back from that and say,

1:11:42.235 --> 1:11:43.396
because I think if you

1:11:43.417 --> 1:11:44.217
actually get rid of all

1:11:44.259 --> 1:11:45.740
those names and you just say what you do,

1:11:47.764 --> 1:11:49.286
I don't know how differentiation that is.

1:11:49.305 --> 1:11:50.287
You know what I mean?

1:11:50.488 --> 1:11:51.989
And so the differentiation turns into

1:11:52.784 --> 1:11:54.265
where are you on some,

1:11:54.485 --> 1:11:56.265
like what projects are you involved in?

1:11:56.405 --> 1:11:57.386
And that gives a little bit

1:11:57.445 --> 1:11:58.306
more understanding,

1:11:58.327 --> 1:12:00.006
at least if it's worthwhile

1:12:00.046 --> 1:12:00.867
continuing the conversation.

1:12:00.886 --> 1:12:03.768
I think that becomes a proof point.

1:12:03.807 --> 1:12:04.929
Like you're starting to say, well,

1:12:05.088 --> 1:12:07.889
you know, we're here.

1:12:07.929 --> 1:12:09.329
I mean, it's different, I think, you know,

1:12:09.350 --> 1:12:09.789
when you're talking to

1:12:09.850 --> 1:12:10.989
foundations and things like that,

1:12:11.050 --> 1:12:12.610
because typically that's like,

1:12:13.510 --> 1:12:14.590
There's a cross of purposes

1:12:14.609 --> 1:12:15.230
because usually we're

1:12:15.251 --> 1:12:16.310
talking as a validator,

1:12:16.331 --> 1:12:17.131
but also they want to know

1:12:17.391 --> 1:12:18.511
what else can you do for us?

1:12:18.572 --> 1:12:19.953
And that is a case where

1:12:20.052 --> 1:12:20.773
usually in our case,

1:12:20.792 --> 1:12:22.514
it would be we have a bunch

1:12:22.554 --> 1:12:23.434
of experience from a bunch

1:12:23.453 --> 1:12:25.454
of different situations and blah, blah,

1:12:25.914 --> 1:12:26.676
blah.

1:12:26.796 --> 1:12:29.817
But especially in that case and as well,

1:12:29.856 --> 1:12:30.657
but especially in the

1:12:30.697 --> 1:12:32.057
consulting end of things,

1:12:32.537 --> 1:12:33.878
it's much more like there's

1:12:33.899 --> 1:12:34.658
a really good description

1:12:34.698 --> 1:12:36.319
of being a manager.

1:12:36.340 --> 1:12:38.801
I think it's Eric Dietrich.

1:12:39.121 --> 1:12:40.100
I can't remember exactly,

1:12:40.240 --> 1:12:41.221
so don't quote me on that.

1:12:42.221 --> 1:12:45.323
where he says the best

1:12:45.363 --> 1:12:46.262
people who ever work for

1:12:46.283 --> 1:12:47.083
you when you're a manager

1:12:47.104 --> 1:12:48.243
are the people who take a problem,

1:12:48.524 --> 1:12:49.003
go away,

1:12:50.425 --> 1:12:52.564
and then they come back with it solved.

1:12:52.925 --> 1:12:54.206
And if they come back with a

1:12:54.246 --> 1:12:55.046
question to you,

1:12:55.445 --> 1:12:56.867
it's going to be a specific

1:12:57.186 --> 1:12:58.207
technical thing about the

1:12:58.226 --> 1:12:59.188
implementation that has a

1:12:59.268 --> 1:13:01.887
meaningful need for your input.

1:13:02.908 --> 1:13:03.649
If it's something that they

1:13:03.668 --> 1:13:04.368
could figure out with their

1:13:04.389 --> 1:13:05.550
own initiative, they go and do that.

1:13:05.850 --> 1:13:07.069
And his point is this is the

1:13:07.090 --> 1:13:08.109
people that you want to

1:13:08.130 --> 1:13:09.470
surround yourself with as a manager.

1:13:09.551 --> 1:13:10.030
And if you're

1:13:10.894 --> 1:13:11.916
not at that point in your career,

1:13:11.996 --> 1:13:12.978
or maybe you were and you

1:13:13.238 --> 1:13:14.581
prefer doing line work, whatever it is,

1:13:15.261 --> 1:13:16.063
or if you're a consultant,

1:13:16.743 --> 1:13:17.826
seek to be the person that

1:13:17.886 --> 1:13:18.868
knows what the outcome is

1:13:20.082 --> 1:13:21.064
goes away and makes that

1:13:21.083 --> 1:13:23.024
problem disappear right and

1:13:23.045 --> 1:13:24.706
I think like not when you

1:13:25.025 --> 1:13:25.827
list your cv or the

1:13:25.867 --> 1:13:26.887
equivalent it's that

1:13:27.127 --> 1:13:27.847
problem of not being

1:13:27.908 --> 1:13:28.929
outcome focused isn't it

1:13:28.969 --> 1:13:30.050
because ultimately like

1:13:30.170 --> 1:13:32.291
every counterparty in a

1:13:32.310 --> 1:13:33.152
business relationship is

1:13:33.212 --> 1:13:33.811
usually looking for an

1:13:33.872 --> 1:13:35.693
outcome and your job as

1:13:35.712 --> 1:13:36.314
somebody who's trying to

1:13:36.354 --> 1:13:38.475
sell them a service or do

1:13:38.494 --> 1:13:41.056
business is to make that outcome happen

1:13:41.621 --> 1:13:41.761
Yeah.

1:13:42.320 --> 1:13:43.282
Even as validators, right?

1:13:43.301 --> 1:13:44.462
We're trying to facilitate an outcome,

1:13:44.521 --> 1:13:45.443
which is the change life.

1:13:45.502 --> 1:13:45.703
Right.

1:13:46.662 --> 1:13:49.083
Um, so, so going like we,

1:13:49.344 --> 1:13:50.604
we validated 10 chains.

1:13:50.904 --> 1:13:51.024
Yeah.

1:13:51.045 --> 1:13:52.466
But were you down on all 10 of them?

1:13:52.565 --> 1:13:53.626
Like what is your uptime?

1:13:53.666 --> 1:13:53.945
Like what?

1:13:54.127 --> 1:13:54.306
Right.

1:13:56.768 --> 1:13:57.887
It's it's you,

1:13:57.948 --> 1:13:59.149
you are answering the question,

1:13:59.168 --> 1:13:59.788
but you're answering the

1:13:59.828 --> 1:14:00.948
question almost accidentally.

1:14:00.989 --> 1:14:02.510
If you just say, oh, we're on 10 chains.

1:14:02.529 --> 1:14:02.829
We've been,

1:14:03.570 --> 1:14:04.430
we've been there for two years.

1:14:04.470 --> 1:14:06.492
It's like, okay, so I can infer from that,

1:14:06.591 --> 1:14:07.532
that you must be up.

1:14:08.313 --> 1:14:08.533
Great.

1:14:08.792 --> 1:14:09.773
That helps our outcome,

1:14:09.813 --> 1:14:10.974
but you didn't answer my question.

1:14:11.814 --> 1:14:12.595
Right, right.

1:14:13.135 --> 1:14:13.614
Yeah, it's tough.

1:14:13.755 --> 1:14:15.996
I think, and like I said, like,

1:14:16.136 --> 1:14:17.036
and then you get involved

1:14:17.095 --> 1:14:17.975
in not just validating,

1:14:18.015 --> 1:14:18.775
you start doing these other

1:14:18.796 --> 1:14:19.837
things and then trying to build a,

1:14:19.856 --> 1:14:21.216
trying to build a story around that,

1:14:21.817 --> 1:14:23.837
which we, like I have, it's,

1:14:23.856 --> 1:14:25.238
I'm not sure how effective it is,

1:14:26.078 --> 1:14:27.297
but we have a story through that.

1:14:27.398 --> 1:14:29.238
And so also sometimes the

1:14:29.479 --> 1:14:30.158
things that we're talking

1:14:30.198 --> 1:14:31.219
to don't fit that story.

1:14:31.719 --> 1:14:33.458
And so you're like, well, you know,

1:14:33.738 --> 1:14:34.260
is this a fit?

1:14:34.380 --> 1:14:35.779
And do I, is this,

1:14:35.939 --> 1:14:36.960
is this still worthwhile or

1:14:37.159 --> 1:14:38.600
is it something that we want to, you know,

1:14:38.899 --> 1:14:39.961
we recognize that there's

1:14:39.980 --> 1:14:41.220
not a fit here type of idea, but.

1:14:41.780 --> 1:14:43.521
But we're also opportunistic.

1:14:43.561 --> 1:14:46.203
So story fucking changes sometimes, right?

1:14:46.643 --> 1:14:47.783
Like it might not be 100% fit,

1:14:47.802 --> 1:14:49.144
but it's something we could clearly do.

1:14:49.743 --> 1:14:50.203
So of course,

1:14:50.224 --> 1:14:51.104
we want to be able to help with that,

1:14:51.184 --> 1:14:51.323
right?

1:14:51.664 --> 1:14:52.244
Especially if there's

1:14:52.265 --> 1:14:52.885
somebody good on the other

1:14:52.944 --> 1:14:54.164
end we want to work with.

1:14:55.326 --> 1:14:55.586
But yeah,

1:14:56.046 --> 1:14:57.327
but also and but that's talking

1:14:57.346 --> 1:14:58.447
to people who understand this space.

1:14:58.867 --> 1:15:00.127
If you if you change that to

1:15:00.148 --> 1:15:00.948
talk to people who don't

1:15:00.988 --> 1:15:03.488
understand this space, that is really,

1:15:03.588 --> 1:15:04.168
really challenging.

1:15:06.354 --> 1:15:07.515
But then I think, you know,

1:15:07.555 --> 1:15:08.576
that again is another

1:15:08.615 --> 1:15:09.796
situation where you are a

1:15:09.817 --> 1:15:10.637
hundred percent will want

1:15:10.658 --> 1:15:12.698
to take a step back because if they,

1:15:12.939 --> 1:15:14.060
if they're even talking to you,

1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:16.122
they have an interest in

1:15:16.162 --> 1:15:20.445
this space and maybe taking

1:15:20.506 --> 1:15:21.846
that step back and finding

1:15:21.926 --> 1:15:23.908
out what it is they actually need is,

1:15:24.469 --> 1:15:25.789
is even more essential in

1:15:25.829 --> 1:15:27.971
that situation because

1:15:28.152 --> 1:15:29.052
listing a bunch of shit

1:15:29.073 --> 1:15:29.813
they don't even understand

1:15:29.893 --> 1:15:30.713
is not going to help you.

1:15:31.614 --> 1:15:33.036
But depending on who that counterparty is,

1:15:33.076 --> 1:15:33.676
that could be the most

1:15:33.737 --> 1:15:34.978
profitable thing you do all year.

1:15:36.676 --> 1:15:37.818
If they literally don't know

1:15:37.858 --> 1:15:38.859
about it and there is a

1:15:38.899 --> 1:15:40.563
reason that they need the outcome to be,

1:15:40.582 --> 1:15:42.766
A, we know about it, or B,

1:15:42.806 --> 1:15:44.990
we are operating within that paradigm.

1:15:45.331 --> 1:15:46.694
You know how to do that and they don't.

1:15:48.739 --> 1:15:50.001
So that's the question on the table,

1:15:50.081 --> 1:15:50.381
isn't it?

1:15:50.581 --> 1:15:52.021
Yeah.

1:15:52.363 --> 1:15:52.703
But anyway,

1:15:52.722 --> 1:15:53.764
I had several of those meetings,

1:15:53.823 --> 1:15:54.925
and I obviously completely

1:15:54.984 --> 1:15:55.585
stuffed them up.

1:15:55.645 --> 1:15:57.145
So in hindsight.

1:15:58.806 --> 1:16:00.448
Well, I mean,

1:16:00.548 --> 1:16:01.569
recognizing that you stuffed

1:16:01.609 --> 1:16:03.130
it up is actually part of the battle.

1:16:03.190 --> 1:16:04.091
So now you can actually

1:16:04.131 --> 1:16:05.692
think about it and practice

1:16:05.731 --> 1:16:07.753
it a little bit and think

1:16:07.854 --> 1:16:09.755
about what those components are,

1:16:09.975 --> 1:16:10.695
which you'll forget next

1:16:10.716 --> 1:16:11.716
time you're in a situation

1:16:11.737 --> 1:16:12.396
and stuff it up again,

1:16:12.436 --> 1:16:13.257
but maybe the third time.

1:16:14.015 --> 1:16:15.417
I mean, I think I, I mean,

1:16:15.457 --> 1:16:17.840
I think I go as far as to like put a,

1:16:18.199 --> 1:16:21.342
a check, like, so, you know,

1:16:21.382 --> 1:16:23.005
as I think about like how, you know,

1:16:23.164 --> 1:16:24.345
if people, they, they, they,

1:16:24.746 --> 1:16:25.646
a bunch of companies did

1:16:25.667 --> 1:16:26.568
the thing where you get as

1:16:26.608 --> 1:16:27.408
much holiday as you want.

1:16:28.109 --> 1:16:29.130
Um, like 2010s,

1:16:29.210 --> 1:16:30.452
it was like a bit of a meme.

1:16:30.471 --> 1:16:31.672
Um, and,

1:16:32.172 --> 1:16:33.314
and a lot of companies then did it.

1:16:33.373 --> 1:16:34.414
Nobody took time off and

1:16:34.435 --> 1:16:35.576
then everybody got really burnt out.

1:16:35.615 --> 1:16:36.096
And I think like,

1:16:37.488 --> 1:16:38.609
both that and the fact that

1:16:38.630 --> 1:16:40.110
you actually are on all the

1:16:40.150 --> 1:16:42.573
time as a small business person, like,

1:16:42.613 --> 1:16:43.913
you know, or a company owner, founder,

1:16:43.934 --> 1:16:44.213
whatever.

1:16:45.414 --> 1:16:45.635
Yeah.

1:16:45.654 --> 1:16:46.536
I mean, it's recipe for burnout.

1:16:46.576 --> 1:16:47.376
Everybody knows this, whatever.

1:16:48.337 --> 1:16:49.136
But like, it's,

1:16:49.237 --> 1:16:50.216
it's only really been in

1:16:50.237 --> 1:16:50.997
the last month when I've

1:16:51.018 --> 1:16:51.738
been going back over,

1:16:51.797 --> 1:16:53.438
especially like really the last year.

1:16:53.478 --> 1:16:54.097
I mean, it wasn't just,

1:16:54.137 --> 1:16:55.118
those were just an example

1:16:55.158 --> 1:16:55.719
of something really

1:16:55.779 --> 1:16:57.238
recently where I was just like, you know,

1:16:57.259 --> 1:16:58.038
when you're so embarrassed

1:16:58.059 --> 1:16:59.460
by something or you it's,

1:16:59.600 --> 1:17:00.899
it's recent enough that you feel it.

1:17:00.920 --> 1:17:01.619
You're like, Ooh,

1:17:02.260 --> 1:17:03.480
that was not even blessed, you know,

1:17:03.900 --> 1:17:04.761
but you just go like, there's,

1:17:04.801 --> 1:17:06.060
there's a whole bunch of situations.

1:17:06.161 --> 1:17:08.021
Like, you know, again, like, you know,

1:17:08.082 --> 1:17:09.681
people, uh, you know, we,

1:17:09.721 --> 1:17:10.442
we did the chain link

1:17:10.483 --> 1:17:11.462
conference in Barcelona.

1:17:11.483 --> 1:17:12.063
I know that wasn't,

1:17:12.082 --> 1:17:13.462
we didn't do it to do new business.

1:17:13.523 --> 1:17:14.082
It was, you know,

1:17:14.182 --> 1:17:16.024
largely to sort of see guys, the artifact,

1:17:16.043 --> 1:17:16.083
uh,

1:17:16.804 --> 1:17:17.845
hang out that sort of stuff

1:17:18.145 --> 1:17:19.827
um but again you know there

1:17:19.846 --> 1:17:20.328
were there were

1:17:20.347 --> 1:17:21.588
conversations that that we

1:17:21.628 --> 1:17:22.890
had there where in

1:17:22.930 --> 1:17:24.851
hindsight you're like yep

1:17:25.573 --> 1:17:28.095
even if there was a thing

1:17:28.215 --> 1:17:30.396
there there's no way I

1:17:30.417 --> 1:17:31.097
would have known about it

1:17:31.137 --> 1:17:31.719
because I didn't ask the

1:17:31.759 --> 1:17:32.979
right questions and that

1:17:33.060 --> 1:17:35.181
that is annoying that is a

1:17:35.442 --> 1:17:37.064
that is a really that is a

1:17:37.104 --> 1:17:40.867
thing about managing burnout that I think

1:17:42.125 --> 1:17:43.506
absolutely at this end has

1:17:43.527 --> 1:17:44.707
been learned the hard way

1:17:44.988 --> 1:17:45.948
and I'm going to bang on

1:17:45.988 --> 1:17:47.189
about burnout now to

1:17:47.229 --> 1:17:48.070
anybody that will listen

1:17:48.131 --> 1:17:49.011
because I think it's just

1:17:49.072 --> 1:17:51.715
like very easy to quantify

1:17:51.774 --> 1:17:52.836
in hindsight what you

1:17:52.855 --> 1:17:53.817
fucked up as a result of

1:17:53.837 --> 1:17:55.137
burnout it's very hard to

1:17:55.177 --> 1:17:56.118
quantify at the time I

1:17:58.081 --> 1:17:59.122
don't know if it's burnout

1:17:59.141 --> 1:17:59.622
it might be just

1:18:00.551 --> 1:18:01.533
it might be just context

1:18:01.552 --> 1:18:02.274
switching as well.

1:18:02.373 --> 1:18:03.375
Like it doesn't necessarily

1:18:03.395 --> 1:18:04.055
need to be burnout.

1:18:04.095 --> 1:18:04.756
It goes to be,

1:18:05.356 --> 1:18:06.198
sometimes you're so in the

1:18:06.257 --> 1:18:07.259
fucking weeds that somebody

1:18:07.298 --> 1:18:08.500
asks you a very simple question.

1:18:08.579 --> 1:18:10.362
Your brain recoils because

1:18:10.442 --> 1:18:11.342
you're trying to simplify

1:18:11.363 --> 1:18:12.564
all this shit that's going

1:18:12.625 --> 1:18:13.045
on in your head.

1:18:13.545 --> 1:18:13.725
Right.

1:18:13.805 --> 1:18:15.568
And which I think is, I mean,

1:18:15.587 --> 1:18:16.668
this stuff gets complicated.

1:18:17.429 --> 1:18:18.229
And so when you try to do,

1:18:19.502 --> 1:18:20.063
not dumb it down.

1:18:20.122 --> 1:18:21.304
It's a wrong term, but you try to,

1:18:21.344 --> 1:18:23.185
you try to simplify what,

1:18:23.365 --> 1:18:24.367
what value you bring or

1:18:24.546 --> 1:18:25.448
like what things you're

1:18:25.488 --> 1:18:26.748
doing into somebody who

1:18:26.788 --> 1:18:27.430
doesn't have a hundred

1:18:27.449 --> 1:18:28.591
percent of the context that you have.

1:18:28.610 --> 1:18:29.931
That can be challenging, right?

1:18:29.971 --> 1:18:31.533
Like even if they're in the space,

1:18:31.594 --> 1:18:32.774
even if they understand exactly what,

1:18:33.155 --> 1:18:33.355
you know,

1:18:33.496 --> 1:18:34.237
kind of what they're trying to do,

1:18:34.896 --> 1:18:35.677
but I wouldn't,

1:18:35.738 --> 1:18:36.658
I wouldn't go too hard on

1:18:36.679 --> 1:18:38.000
not saying you don't have burnout.

1:18:38.020 --> 1:18:38.461
I'm not saying that.

1:18:38.480 --> 1:18:39.042
I'm just saying like,

1:18:39.301 --> 1:18:41.463
it's the context switching pieces, bitch.

1:18:43.230 --> 1:18:43.711
Yeah, well,

1:18:43.912 --> 1:18:45.252
hopefully we'll fend it off in

1:18:45.313 --> 1:18:47.073
future by actually taking some time off.

1:18:47.113 --> 1:18:47.694
That's the plan.

1:18:48.835 --> 1:18:50.997
Except that Apto StressNet

1:18:51.056 --> 1:18:53.479
has been dropped on my next time off.

1:18:53.559 --> 1:18:55.619
So that's a bit of a miss, but whatever,

1:18:55.659 --> 1:18:56.921
man.

1:18:56.940 --> 1:18:58.042
Hopefully it might be just

1:18:58.301 --> 1:18:59.103
standing things up and

1:18:59.143 --> 1:18:59.802
letting it run and then

1:18:59.823 --> 1:19:00.743
maybe do an upgrade here and there.

1:19:00.863 --> 1:19:01.824
Hopefully it won't be that big of a deal.

1:19:02.364 --> 1:19:02.904
Yeah.

1:19:03.586 --> 1:19:04.326
I mean, hopefully.

1:19:04.426 --> 1:19:05.287
Yeah, exactly.

1:19:05.306 --> 1:19:06.806
Um, although, you know,

1:19:06.846 --> 1:19:07.807
back to the Hetzner thing,

1:19:07.828 --> 1:19:09.167
we're still fucking weighing on boxes.

1:19:09.207 --> 1:19:09.948
What the hell, man?

1:19:10.168 --> 1:19:11.909
Like we've delivered almost

1:19:11.989 --> 1:19:13.229
all of them except for one

1:19:13.270 --> 1:19:14.030
more that we need.

1:19:14.131 --> 1:19:14.770
And it's just like,

1:19:15.792 --> 1:19:16.452
probably just reach out.

1:19:16.471 --> 1:19:18.273
Are you running a, yeah, I mean, yeah,

1:19:18.493 --> 1:19:20.753
I'll reach out to, uh, hair Hetzner.

1:19:20.793 --> 1:19:21.895
I'm sure he'll be right on it.

1:19:22.435 --> 1:19:23.795
Um, are you using,

1:19:24.176 --> 1:19:25.216
you're not using seven nine

1:19:25.235 --> 1:19:26.777
fifties for the actual VNs.

1:19:26.856 --> 1:19:28.198
Are you for both?

1:19:28.238 --> 1:19:28.497
Really?

1:19:28.518 --> 1:19:29.057
Mm-hmm.

1:19:30.770 --> 1:19:32.252
Because we've already taken

1:19:32.292 --> 1:19:34.413
delivery of a 7950 for the VM.

1:19:34.453 --> 1:19:36.536
So I guess worst case scenario,

1:19:36.576 --> 1:19:37.476
we'll just run that.

1:19:38.077 --> 1:19:39.958
I'm crushing the benchmark on them.

1:19:40.519 --> 1:19:42.381
So there's no issue.

1:19:42.661 --> 1:19:43.761
We're way beyond the benchmark.

1:19:44.021 --> 1:19:46.604
They just shot the bed so bad.

1:19:48.206 --> 1:19:49.506
But then there was a temperature issue,

1:19:49.527 --> 1:19:49.827
wasn't it?

1:19:49.926 --> 1:19:51.028
I don't know.

1:19:51.047 --> 1:19:51.488
How much RAM?

1:19:51.509 --> 1:19:51.849
256 RAM or 128?

1:19:51.988 --> 1:19:52.449
128 is max.

1:19:52.590 --> 1:19:53.610
Actually, I think the 3D can do 192.

1:19:57.774 --> 1:19:58.854
but the other one is limited at one 28.

1:19:58.914 --> 1:20:00.195
Oh, right.

1:20:00.216 --> 1:20:00.296
Yeah.

1:20:00.917 --> 1:20:01.817
So I ran was never really

1:20:01.856 --> 1:20:02.917
the issue too much before.

1:20:03.057 --> 1:20:03.838
So we'll see.

1:20:04.019 --> 1:20:04.338
We'll see.

1:20:04.359 --> 1:20:05.699
And then, I mean, drives,

1:20:06.180 --> 1:20:06.900
these things are fast.

1:20:06.921 --> 1:20:07.761
This is nice and cool.

1:20:07.981 --> 1:20:08.823
I like these new boxes,

1:20:08.842 --> 1:20:10.184
these super micros that are

1:20:10.203 --> 1:20:11.045
like blades and they're,

1:20:11.805 --> 1:20:12.805
they're like right now I'm

1:20:12.826 --> 1:20:14.006
running the long benchmark right now.

1:20:14.027 --> 1:20:14.327
Isaac,

1:20:14.367 --> 1:20:15.467
while we're talking on all four of them,

1:20:16.248 --> 1:20:17.609
but on the, on the short benchmark,

1:20:17.670 --> 1:20:19.171
it was, it fucking crushes that thing.

1:20:19.211 --> 1:20:19.631
It was actually,

1:20:19.692 --> 1:20:20.412
it's actually probably like

1:20:20.412 --> 1:20:21.353
10% off of that 93 74 F I

1:20:21.372 --> 1:20:22.413
ran on previous unit too.

1:20:25.567 --> 1:20:27.127
And it crushes at single core.

1:20:27.148 --> 1:20:29.609
It's just the multi-core is maybe 10,

1:20:29.609 --> 1:20:30.069
15% off,

1:20:30.109 --> 1:20:31.369
and that thing has fucking twice

1:20:31.409 --> 1:20:32.051
as many cores in it.

1:20:32.690 --> 1:20:35.993
So the 9374 is the faster Epic, isn't it?

1:20:36.313 --> 1:20:37.194
It's the one that's actually

1:20:37.213 --> 1:20:38.154
got the clock speed.

1:20:38.173 --> 1:20:39.375
Yeah, the F. Well,

1:20:39.395 --> 1:20:41.076
the F is just that it's for

1:20:41.115 --> 1:20:41.836
a single socket.

1:20:43.537 --> 1:20:43.737
No.

1:20:44.297 --> 1:20:45.717
No, it's a higher bin, I thought.

1:20:47.399 --> 1:20:49.860
No, the Fs are single sockets only,

1:20:50.001 --> 1:20:50.801
and the other ones you can

1:20:50.881 --> 1:20:51.582
use in dual sockets.

1:20:51.601 --> 1:20:51.761
Oh, okay.

1:20:51.881 --> 1:20:52.082
All right.

1:20:52.786 --> 1:20:52.945
Yeah.

1:20:53.146 --> 1:20:55.257
So anyway, so, so we had a 94,

1:20:55.257 --> 1:20:57.589
74 and we had a 93,

1:20:57.589 --> 1:20:59.470
74 F's in the preview net too.

1:21:00.372 --> 1:21:00.912
And like,

1:21:01.193 --> 1:21:02.212
I'm looking at the benchmarks here.

1:21:02.273 --> 1:21:02.432
I mean,

1:21:02.453 --> 1:21:03.833
obviously those things are more core.

1:21:03.854 --> 1:21:05.676
So on the multi, on the long core test,

1:21:05.695 --> 1:21:07.216
they do better, but on the short,

1:21:07.256 --> 1:21:08.658
like it's exactly the same.

1:21:08.698 --> 1:21:09.979
Like, like actually it's these,

1:21:10.078 --> 1:21:10.939
these nine 70,

1:21:10.939 --> 1:21:11.961
like fifties are way faster.

1:21:12.661 --> 1:21:14.943
So the epic numbers confuse

1:21:15.122 --> 1:21:15.904
the shit out of me.

1:21:16.724 --> 1:21:18.564
Like the 9374 has less cores, I believe,

1:21:18.625 --> 1:21:19.286
than like a 9354,

1:21:19.286 --> 1:21:20.627
which is like... The 9354

1:21:20.627 --> 1:21:21.667
has fewer cores than the 9... No.

1:21:21.686 --> 1:21:22.167
I don't remember.

1:21:22.207 --> 1:21:23.528
I have a picture somewhere.

1:21:23.547 --> 1:21:25.430
It's the one of them that

1:21:25.470 --> 1:21:26.109
has a lower number,

1:21:26.149 --> 1:21:27.350
has a higher clock speed.

1:21:42.604 --> 1:21:43.645
Well, no, the other way around.

1:21:44.086 --> 1:21:45.707
It's got a bigger number in

1:21:45.728 --> 1:21:46.609
a higher clock speed,

1:21:46.628 --> 1:21:47.729
but a lower core count.

1:21:48.350 --> 1:21:48.649
Correct.

1:21:48.689 --> 1:21:49.390
Yeah, that's right.

1:21:49.411 --> 1:21:49.730
Yeah.

1:21:49.770 --> 1:21:50.572
Those are always inverse.

1:21:50.631 --> 1:21:51.813
It's confusing as shit.

1:21:52.212 --> 1:21:54.175
The nine three versus the nine two.

1:21:54.194 --> 1:21:55.395
That's right.

1:21:55.515 --> 1:21:58.599
So the second number, as that increases,

1:21:58.859 --> 1:22:00.140
the more cores you get.

1:22:01.841 --> 1:22:01.981
Right.

1:22:02.765 --> 1:22:04.166
So 9124, 9224, 9254, et cetera, et cetera.

1:22:04.185 --> 1:22:05.907
And then the third number is

1:22:05.987 --> 1:22:06.527
relative clock speed.

1:22:06.546 --> 1:22:07.307
So 9224 is 24 cores at 3.7.

1:22:07.347 --> 1:22:07.608
9254 is 24 at 4.1.

1:22:07.648 --> 1:22:07.948
9274 is 24 at 4.3.

1:22:23.817 --> 1:22:25.137
if that makes sense so I

1:22:25.158 --> 1:22:26.038
have a 90 I have a 93 54

1:22:26.038 --> 1:22:26.779
and it's a 32 core that's

1:22:26.779 --> 1:22:28.600
32 that's right because the

1:22:28.619 --> 1:22:29.341
92s are 20 or 24 core 93s

1:22:29.501 --> 1:22:30.721
are 32 core the 94s are 48

1:22:30.721 --> 1:22:31.601
core the 95s are 64 core

1:22:31.622 --> 1:22:32.462
and 96 are 84 core or

1:22:32.483 --> 1:22:33.663
actually one is 96 so you

1:22:33.724 --> 1:22:34.524
had a 32 core 74 so that's

1:22:34.543 --> 1:22:35.225
like the faster 32 core

1:22:48.755 --> 1:22:50.456
Yeah, that's the fastest.

1:22:50.536 --> 1:22:53.177
That's 32.64 at 4.3 boosting.

1:22:53.738 --> 1:22:54.259
I'm sorry,

1:22:54.279 --> 1:22:56.341
that's max clock at 4.3 or the

1:22:56.421 --> 1:22:57.240
base of 4.1.

1:22:57.240 --> 1:22:58.841
No, I'm sorry.

1:22:58.902 --> 1:22:59.283
Wait, wait, wait.

1:22:59.302 --> 1:22:59.863
Let me rephrase.

1:23:00.042 --> 1:23:00.863
Base of 3.85 at a boost of 4.3.

1:23:00.904 --> 1:23:02.824
That thing's a fucking beast, man.

1:23:02.925 --> 1:23:03.626
I think that thing's

1:23:03.645 --> 1:23:04.426
probably 10 or 12 grand US.

1:23:04.907 --> 1:23:05.567
And then the 94.74 I had,

1:23:05.606 --> 1:23:07.748
that's 48.96 with a base of

1:23:07.748 --> 1:23:16.234
3.6 boosting to 4.1.

1:23:16.234 --> 1:23:17.036
Both of those, I mean,

1:23:17.055 --> 1:23:18.037
they're fucking burners.

1:23:18.578 --> 1:23:19.578
I think the issue I had was

1:23:19.658 --> 1:23:21.020
it was still too new and

1:23:21.041 --> 1:23:22.362
the BIOS was not great and

1:23:22.381 --> 1:23:23.963
we had weird fucking drive issues.

1:23:24.484 --> 1:23:25.826
It was just not very stable.

1:23:26.587 --> 1:23:28.307
And it would drop on certain

1:23:28.349 --> 1:23:29.088
things or whatever else.

1:23:29.109 --> 1:23:29.770
So we'll see.

1:23:30.470 --> 1:23:32.552
And also, honestly, in this network,

1:23:32.613 --> 1:23:33.493
in these preview nets...

1:23:34.395 --> 1:23:35.436
we're not the slowest one in

1:23:35.738 --> 1:23:37.581
there and there's, there's no, like we're,

1:23:37.841 --> 1:23:38.863
we might be the fastest one there,

1:23:38.882 --> 1:23:39.885
but it doesn't really make a difference.

1:23:40.707 --> 1:23:44.252
So, so I mean, it doesn't, I don't know.

1:23:44.273 --> 1:23:45.295
Network up and running.

1:23:45.354 --> 1:23:46.056
I'm not even sure.

1:23:47.737 --> 1:23:49.278
if you were down the entire

1:23:49.537 --> 1:23:50.819
net then there would be a

1:23:50.859 --> 1:23:52.779
problem but yeah last

1:23:53.159 --> 1:23:53.960
especially the last one

1:23:54.020 --> 1:23:54.881
where there was some

1:23:55.301 --> 1:23:56.881
deliberately unstable or

1:23:56.902 --> 1:23:57.801
not deliberately unstable

1:23:57.862 --> 1:23:59.002
but potentially unstable

1:23:59.042 --> 1:24:01.043
software being tested there

1:24:01.064 --> 1:24:03.625
were a lot of vfns down for

1:24:03.645 --> 1:24:06.485
the final 10 days like

1:24:06.886 --> 1:24:09.568
especially where you know

1:24:09.608 --> 1:24:12.208
the dc wasn't maybe the

1:24:12.248 --> 1:24:13.109
provider hadn't like

1:24:13.189 --> 1:24:14.430
ventilated it properly or

1:24:14.470 --> 1:24:16.150
cooled it properly or whatever like yeah

1:24:16.698 --> 1:24:17.318
I mean, yeah,

1:24:17.358 --> 1:24:18.198
like the thing that I keep

1:24:18.219 --> 1:24:19.099
going on about with the

1:24:19.158 --> 1:24:20.038
temperatures on ours,

1:24:20.118 --> 1:24:22.060
they were like literally to

1:24:22.100 --> 1:24:23.820
a reading that was insane.

1:24:24.301 --> 1:24:25.520
When you look to the temper,

1:24:25.541 --> 1:24:27.301
the reported temperature of the box,

1:24:27.341 --> 1:24:28.862
it was like, that can't be right.

1:24:29.762 --> 1:24:31.943
Um, but they were like completely toast.

1:24:32.024 --> 1:24:33.323
Like they were not able to

1:24:33.404 --> 1:24:36.125
actually process Jack shit,

1:24:36.145 --> 1:24:37.444
despite being powerful boxes.

1:24:37.545 --> 1:24:38.445
So, right.

1:24:39.365 --> 1:24:39.586
Yeah.

1:24:40.046 --> 1:24:41.506
I mean, yeah,

1:24:41.527 --> 1:24:43.328
it would probably be fine in conclusion.

1:24:43.347 --> 1:24:44.068
Um,

1:24:46.189 --> 1:24:47.210
couple uh you want to do a

1:24:47.229 --> 1:24:48.091
couple more news before I

1:24:48.110 --> 1:24:48.811
talk about do you want to

1:24:48.832 --> 1:24:49.671
talk about east denver I

1:24:49.692 --> 1:24:50.412
mean you're going east

1:24:50.432 --> 1:24:51.293
denver what's your what's

1:24:51.314 --> 1:24:52.395
gonna be big highlight

1:24:52.574 --> 1:24:53.615
that's next week right you

1:24:53.636 --> 1:24:55.037
said it is yeah she'll say

1:24:55.097 --> 1:24:56.118
I'll be out there a couple

1:24:56.158 --> 1:24:56.719
others be out there

1:24:56.779 --> 1:24:57.739
artifact will be out there

1:24:58.220 --> 1:24:59.462
polka chew making a trip

1:24:59.641 --> 1:25:00.804
actually we think right I

1:25:00.823 --> 1:25:01.984
have a trying to find some

1:25:02.005 --> 1:25:04.407
time two days yeah yeah

1:25:04.747 --> 1:25:06.168
denver and you see these

1:25:06.389 --> 1:25:09.171
these guys yeah go ask them

1:25:09.192 --> 1:25:10.073
for gaming nodes merch

1:25:10.703 --> 1:25:11.342
Yes, I will.

1:25:11.582 --> 1:25:12.184
Yes, for sure.

1:25:12.243 --> 1:25:13.463
I will have Game of Nodes

1:25:13.503 --> 1:25:15.904
merch at ETH Denver.

1:25:17.006 --> 1:25:18.447
And then also we're sponsoring,

1:25:19.546 --> 1:25:20.927
there's a thing called...

1:25:22.148 --> 1:25:24.069
the Bufficorn's Dreamland,

1:25:24.088 --> 1:25:25.229
which is the official East

1:25:25.250 --> 1:25:26.250
Denver opening party.

1:25:26.310 --> 1:25:27.751
I'll put a link in the show notes as well.

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That is on Wednesday,

1:25:29.551 --> 1:25:32.173
February 28th at 6.30 p.m.

1:25:32.314 --> 1:25:33.293
at Tom's Watch Bar.

1:25:34.994 --> 1:25:36.095
If you reach out to me on

1:25:36.136 --> 1:25:38.077
Twitter or other types of things,

1:25:38.176 --> 1:25:40.537
I will get you a VIP entrance into that.

1:25:40.978 --> 1:25:41.958
We're helping sponsor that.

1:25:42.779 --> 1:25:45.261
So that is Wednesday, the 28th at 6.30.

1:25:45.801 --> 1:25:47.002
Yeah, we're sponsoring.

1:25:47.021 --> 1:25:49.162
You can see our logos even on the webpage.

1:25:50.448 --> 1:25:52.211
Buff corn stream lamb John

1:25:52.251 --> 1:25:53.692
sponsor artifact sponsoring.

1:25:53.971 --> 1:25:55.212
Oh yeah, yeah, cool.

1:25:55.233 --> 1:25:55.453
Yeah,

1:25:55.512 --> 1:25:58.114
so so we'll be there that Wednesday

1:25:58.154 --> 1:25:58.335
night.

1:25:58.475 --> 1:25:59.735
I'll have some rhino merch

1:25:59.916 --> 1:26:01.197
if you find me and some

1:26:01.277 --> 1:26:01.938
game and node stuff.

1:26:03.899 --> 1:26:05.661
And no shirts because.

1:26:07.438 --> 1:26:08.359
Hey, remember that time?

1:26:08.399 --> 1:26:10.000
Your inability to make a

1:26:10.079 --> 1:26:11.301
fucking decision on anything.

1:26:11.341 --> 1:26:12.141
Do you remember that time

1:26:12.202 --> 1:26:14.462
when I carried a whole

1:26:14.523 --> 1:26:16.083
rucksack of shirts across

1:26:16.145 --> 1:26:17.485
Europe to go to that conference?

1:26:17.926 --> 1:26:18.907
And then I was so tired,

1:26:18.947 --> 1:26:20.127
I kept forgetting to take

1:26:20.167 --> 1:26:21.448
them to the conference floor.

1:26:22.009 --> 1:26:23.510
And then I carried all but

1:26:23.689 --> 1:26:25.011
three of them all the way

1:26:25.070 --> 1:26:26.051
back across Europe.

1:26:26.889 --> 1:26:29.510
europe exactly on the train

1:26:29.569 --> 1:26:31.250
as well so one rucksack on

1:26:31.289 --> 1:26:32.470
my back one rucksack on my

1:26:32.490 --> 1:26:34.951
front like a idiot yeah so

1:26:35.251 --> 1:26:36.171
so that'll be fun wednesday

1:26:36.192 --> 1:26:37.311
night um we're gonna do

1:26:37.332 --> 1:26:38.811
some it'll be cool places

1:26:38.832 --> 1:26:39.813
gonna be nicer there's food

1:26:39.853 --> 1:26:41.653
there uh there's a bunch of

1:26:41.672 --> 1:26:42.894
going on so it'll be at a

1:26:42.953 --> 1:26:45.033
rhino's party yeah it'll be

1:26:45.113 --> 1:26:46.255
a good time that's

1:26:46.354 --> 1:26:47.295
wednesday night uh we're

1:26:47.314 --> 1:26:48.414
going to the cosmos thing

1:26:48.475 --> 1:26:49.996
on tuesday which I can't

1:26:50.015 --> 1:26:50.756
remember what the hell that is

1:26:51.916 --> 1:26:53.157
Bear chain thing going on.

1:26:53.237 --> 1:26:53.917
There's a few other things

1:26:53.936 --> 1:26:54.657
that will be going to.

1:26:55.198 --> 1:26:55.778
Hopefully I can actually

1:26:55.797 --> 1:26:56.878
make it into into in

1:26:56.998 --> 1:26:58.059
actually eat Denver this year.

1:26:58.099 --> 1:26:58.719
Since last year,

1:26:58.738 --> 1:26:59.739
I didn't even walked in the door.

1:27:01.701 --> 1:27:02.201
So we'll see.

1:27:02.440 --> 1:27:03.242
No, we're going to miss you.

1:27:04.202 --> 1:27:04.721
Fucking.

1:27:05.162 --> 1:27:06.403
Hey, I'll be there.

1:27:06.422 --> 1:27:07.963
We'll be there in Austin.

1:27:09.163 --> 1:27:09.505
Aston.

1:27:10.225 --> 1:27:11.404
I would say that there is a 20.

1:27:11.484 --> 1:27:12.746
I'm going to the Alamo.

1:27:13.225 --> 1:27:13.846
The Alamo.

1:27:15.807 --> 1:27:16.488
At Aston.

1:27:18.208 --> 1:27:18.969
The Alamo.

1:27:19.248 --> 1:27:20.170
Taking me to the Alamo.

1:27:20.270 --> 1:27:20.609
Austin.

1:27:22.645 --> 1:27:29.350
Yeah, so reach out to me, Rhinostake,

1:27:29.430 --> 1:27:30.149
on Twitter.

1:27:30.170 --> 1:27:30.810
That would be cool.

1:27:30.871 --> 1:27:32.452
Or if you're on Discord with us,

1:27:32.671 --> 1:27:34.292
just ping me and we'll get you in there.

1:27:35.194 --> 1:27:35.394
Hey,

1:27:35.413 --> 1:27:37.475
so seeing as though then that it's

1:27:37.574 --> 1:27:39.275
almost a year since the

1:27:39.336 --> 1:27:42.618
last rendezvous...

1:27:43.658 --> 1:27:47.601
at f denver uh someone asked

1:27:47.641 --> 1:27:50.703
me to send a uh wag to just

1:27:50.844 --> 1:27:52.704
sticker just after that

1:27:52.805 --> 1:27:53.765
it's almost the one year

1:27:53.784 --> 1:27:55.445
anniversary so should we

1:27:55.466 --> 1:27:56.966
send it I will send that

1:27:57.006 --> 1:28:00.930
sticker shortly uh ensky I

1:28:00.949 --> 1:28:01.890
haven't forgotten about you

1:28:01.909 --> 1:28:06.533
bud I've just been busy who

1:28:06.592 --> 1:28:07.253
asked for the sticker

1:28:08.304 --> 1:28:09.465
Bensky of the Netherlands.

1:28:10.725 --> 1:28:12.326
So if you're still around Bensky,

1:28:12.506 --> 1:28:13.386
it's coming your way.

1:28:13.786 --> 1:28:14.766
Is it a to-do note that's

1:28:14.787 --> 1:28:15.466
sitting on the side of your

1:28:15.487 --> 1:28:17.127
monitor over there and just send wag,

1:28:17.347 --> 1:28:18.127
wag TJ sticker.

1:28:18.448 --> 1:28:19.347
We've been in the,

1:28:19.387 --> 1:28:20.448
we were in the Netherlands

1:28:20.548 --> 1:28:22.048
like six months ago.

1:28:22.069 --> 1:28:26.291
It is a post-it on the side of my monitor.

1:28:26.331 --> 1:28:26.530
Yes.

1:28:27.270 --> 1:28:27.851
That's hilarious.

1:28:29.854 --> 1:28:31.095
uh it's fallen off a couple

1:28:31.115 --> 1:28:31.996
of times it's received

1:28:32.055 --> 1:28:34.497
additional tape uh but

1:28:34.577 --> 1:28:35.396
stick it back on there

1:28:36.056 --> 1:28:37.478
nonetheless it is still on

1:28:38.557 --> 1:28:40.559
the to-do list that's too

1:28:40.618 --> 1:28:46.661
funny yeah um yeah man I am

1:28:46.801 --> 1:28:48.161
disappointed that I I'm not

1:28:48.180 --> 1:28:49.881
going to be there but it is

1:28:49.902 --> 1:28:50.902
a fucking long way to go

1:28:50.981 --> 1:28:53.143
just to like you know hang out so

1:28:54.092 --> 1:28:55.554
I mean, we have, honestly, Austin,

1:28:55.634 --> 1:28:56.234
I think will be,

1:28:56.795 --> 1:28:58.555
it'll be as big or larger.

1:28:58.576 --> 1:28:59.756
I think it's a bigger show.

1:29:00.037 --> 1:29:00.537
I think we'll have a,

1:29:00.556 --> 1:29:01.438
we'll have a ton of fun down there.

1:29:01.597 --> 1:29:02.939
So I think that'll be a good time.

1:29:03.639 --> 1:29:03.939
You know,

1:29:03.958 --> 1:29:06.001
I get insane anxiety when I'm on

1:29:06.041 --> 1:29:06.980
that fucking plane for 17

1:29:06.980 --> 1:29:09.462
hours away from my like nodes too.

1:29:09.622 --> 1:29:13.206
So my nodes, my nodes, my precious.

1:29:13.246 --> 1:29:13.926
You're going to say

1:29:13.966 --> 1:29:17.047
something nice than like my family.

1:29:17.467 --> 1:29:17.667
I know.

1:29:17.868 --> 1:29:19.009
I thought you were going to

1:29:19.029 --> 1:29:19.970
say something else.

1:29:21.310 --> 1:29:22.671
My nodes is my family, man.