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red storm rising by tom

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clancy I don't know if you

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know many tom clancy books

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but I do yeah yeah so I

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think it's like

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contemporary to that book

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and then he turned it into

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a board game and nerd fest

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board game and nerd fest yeah uh

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welcome to command decision

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the team yankee podcast

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this week we're going to be

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talking about action

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creeping new french lists

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after the new nato book uh

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has come out and whether or

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not there should be a split

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between early uh

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cold war and late cold war

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periods of get newer

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players more acclimatized

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with the point creep in the

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game I'm joined by usurper

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nolan schultz he is always

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some of the top competitive

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players in north america

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and oceania respectively to

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discuss everything tactics

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and miniatures how you

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doing fellas it sounds like

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you practice that

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That was completely off the

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top of my head.

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I'm impressed.

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You just take the intro from

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your other podcast.

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I thought he was on the other podcast.

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To be fair,

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I look like somebody that's so

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tired that he is also doing

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a TV Anki podcast whilst

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also doing a PhD.

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That was pretty close.

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I kind of wish...

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When during, um, during COVID I,

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I had a gaming group, um,

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with some friends just doing, uh, playing,

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do you remember worms?

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Like Worms, Worms 2, those games.

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Is that an early video game?

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Yeah, 90s.

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Apple IIe, maybe, even?

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No, no, DOS.

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Like DOS, maybe Windows 95?

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Yeah, that generation, though.

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Like early, mid-90s type of thing.

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Yeah, it was basically like Artillery.

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Do you remember that game?

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Is that the one where they

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all climb on each other?

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Yeah.

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And they all had like the

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little voices and like one

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of them was like a fake

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Sean Connery and stuff.

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And he'd be like, yeah.

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So we,

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we played that like four rounds of

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it a week,

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every like Thursday night for

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two years during lockdown.

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And at the end of it, we were just like,

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if we had made this a podcast and stream,

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this would be millionaires now.

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Cause it was like a rolling

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cast of like eight people.

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And it got quite,

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some people got quite sweaty

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and competitive and some

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people continue to not

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really give a shit and just

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do it for the social side.

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And it had a,

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quite a funny dynamic as a result.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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At one point we, when,

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when sometimes people

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dropped off because of network issues,

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you just open it up,

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open the game up to like

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random people on the internet,

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which you can do in the land.

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You can basically have like

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a known list of players

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that you want to play with.

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And you can just like add in

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missing slots on them on worms and,

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Is it World Party, WMD?

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Whichever one we were playing.

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There aren't all that many

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people that just hang out

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on Worm's servers in the

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European time zone.

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So a few of these people

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that we let in ended up

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being in several games over

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the course of these two years.

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But the first time we let in

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this one guy who's, I think, French,

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probably a teenager and was

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swearing a lot in colloquial French.

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um the first thing he did

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was looked at everybody's

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stats and then pointedly

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said to one person in our

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play group you I've looked

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at your I've looked at your

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numbers how do you live

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with yourself with those

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numbers that's too funny

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just fyi like back in those

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days uh you said you had

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like eight viewers and

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you're you thought you

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might be a millionaire I

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can tell you with our

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based on Game of Nodes numbers,

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that those numbers don't

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work out exactly.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It doesn't really add up to eight figures.

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Yeah, six viewers, six figures, right?

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That's how it works.

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That's how it works.

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That's what I've heard.

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But yeah,

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if any regular viewers of the

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podo who we actually know

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or who have been on it or

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cast members would like a

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game of Team Yankee when

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they're in the U.K.,

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Hit me up.

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Hit me up.

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I'll get out the West German village.

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It's like the world's two

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smallest Venn diagrams to turn across.

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If you A, watch this podcast,

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which is a fucking small circle, and B,

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play Team of Yankees,

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I think you are the only

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one in the middle of that Venn.

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That's it.

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Could be.

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Maybe a Paul Mullen.

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I...

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I think the thing is, right,

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the disposition of people

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who are into technology,

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especially like crypto,

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there aren't many people

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who are either sweaty

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enough on model making or

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sweaty enough on Cold War

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history to be like,

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what I really would like to

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do is make a period correct

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British Armoured Squadron that is...

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Not from the Second World War,

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from the mid-80s.

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Just guys sitting around drinking beer.

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That everybody knows about.

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What are we doing today?

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Training?

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Yeah, exactly.

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I will say this, right?

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When I was trying to work

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out the color scheme,

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they're not actually that accurate.

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I didn't get it right at all

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because it turns out West Germany...

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There's two colors for tanks

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in West Germany.

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One is covered in mud.

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Two is covered in dust, right?

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So none of the tanks are

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actually ever green.

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They're always like light

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gray with like kind of fuel dust.

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Or they're just wet, right?

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In which case they just kind

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of run down to sort of

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brownish mud plus NATO green, basically,

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in all the photos from the time.

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But I found this short video

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about a training exercise

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in West Germany.

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And

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is mad they just go like

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because because they had to

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practice and like this

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would be the land they were

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defending it's just like

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there's some farmer's field

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and there's just like 15

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fucking german tanks and

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then a whole um a whole

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unit of abrams just like

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fucking hooning across what

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is obviously a planted

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field it's just like well

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that's that's fucked now isn't it

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I mean, yeah, I guess.

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It was funny,

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before you said a set from the 80s,

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and I thought you meant

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that you picked up an

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actual figurine set that

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was created in the 1980s,

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but depicted something earlier.

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But you're actually saying

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that somebody actually

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built a set of that group in the 1980s.

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Yeah, this guy.

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Which, yeah.

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They're very colorful.

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I got like, you know.

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Peg shoes or peg jeans and everything.

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You want like something 80s-ish.

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Lots of shades of green.

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Big collar.

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Big collar is more 70s, actually.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's like slap chop era, isn't it?

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Big hair.

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Big hair.

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Big hair?

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I mean, to be fair,

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my old man had a fucking

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afro in the early 80s, so... Big hair?

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Yeah.

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There you go.

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A bit weird, because he's my white parent,

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so...

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It's just had this big

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old... Is that how you refer to them?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, white and brown.

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How else are you going to

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refer to your parents?

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Slop dad, maybe.

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I prefer to be specific.

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Don't want to label people.

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Just the white one and the brown one.

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The white one and the brown one.

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Although weirdly, actually,

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my brown parent is whiter than me.

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So actually,

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I don't really have a... Anyway,

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welcome to Game of Nodes,

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a weekly podcast from

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Independent Validator Teams.

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Would it surprise you to know that I...

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have no fucking idea what

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you're talking about yeah

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no it wouldn't because I i

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can see it in your eyes you

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used to get this glassy

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look and you're doing stuff

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and on the on the you're

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moving windows around

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you're yeah you're

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obviously stuff working

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we'll hear a discord

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notification ping in a

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second like again again

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exactly I think the they

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don't come through anymore I think um

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the you know like noise

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canceling and whatever I

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don't know whatever shout

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out it's not it's not

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really gaming episode

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without uh some discord

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ping in the background yep man I'm like

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I got up early this morning.

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I drove yesterday for the

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whole fucking day.

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And then I just got home and

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died into bed.

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And then I woke up this morning.

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I had a meeting at six.

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And then my fucking shower

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immediately ran out of hot

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water this morning because

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I've run out of gas or something.

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And it's just been a shit, shit morning.

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I feel sorry for the person

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I met with this morning.

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I was just like, huh?

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Fucking what?

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Where am I?

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What town am I in?

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What was the drive yesterday?

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13 hours or something.

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13 hours straight.

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Straight diesel.

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Yeah.

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Gas and piss.

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That's it.

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Yeah.

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Gas and piss and some roadworks.

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So I did stop to do a node thing.

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I can't remember what that was, but I,

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I did it.

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I did it.

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It's a blur.

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Some validator ops in there somewhere.

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SSH again on the hood of your car,

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like a true degenerate.

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my uh my center console you

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know like the bit where you

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lean on it might be a

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little bit different in

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america they've got like

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couches that you sit in in

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your car but in you know

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regular the rest of the world

0:09:54.035 --> 0:09:56.937
our our couches in our car

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don't have armrests like

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this you've got to you know

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lean on the window and the

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fucking seats now it's

0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:03.902
happened we're not all at

0:10:03.922 --> 0:10:05.062
the fucking bench yeah it's

0:10:05.082 --> 0:10:06.683
not like 1950 here anymore

0:10:06.744 --> 0:10:07.644
we have bucket seats it

0:10:07.663 --> 0:10:09.985
works um so in the middle

0:10:10.086 --> 0:10:11.826
like in my car it's quite

0:10:11.907 --> 0:10:13.206
wide and I can fit my

0:10:13.267 --> 0:10:14.687
laptop on there so yeah

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when uh I just sit it there

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and when I was in the road

0:10:19.150 --> 0:10:20.471
works and just like slid my

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seat back and like turn to the side

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All good.

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So when that,

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that highway that you go for 13 hours,

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is that, is that two lane or four lane?

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That's four lane.

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So it's not like it's,

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it's not a straight shot highway.

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It's like back roads.

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Okay.

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And do you see a lot of cars

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going the other way?

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Or is it like fucking nothing for now?

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They're pretty sparse out there.

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It's not like, and how fast are you going?

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Cause I'm mad max.

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I'm kind of working towards that,

0:10:48.815 --> 0:10:49.095
actually.

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How fast are you going?

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The speed limit is 100

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kilometers per hour.

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How fast are you going?

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The speed limit is 100

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kilometers per hour.

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Yeah,

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this is what they're going to bust

0:10:59.485 --> 0:10:59.904
you for.

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Yeah,

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the popo is coming down on game and

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notes.

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How fast are you going?

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You can get away with

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probably 20% extra for most of the way.

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Oh, that's not very fast at all, is it?

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120 is like, what, 80 miles an hour?

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Yeah.

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That's not really, that's not really,

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I thought you were, I thought literally,

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I thought you were doing like 110,

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115 miles an hour.

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The road is not.

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good or straight enough to

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do that oh okay that's too

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bad on the highways you

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could except there's just

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like cops so yeah yeah yeah

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I thought it was more like

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like west texas here where

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like they or like most of

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new mexico or even arizona

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where some of those

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stretches are so there's

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nothing there they just the

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speed limit is 85 I think

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miles an hour which is what

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is that 130 140 what is

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that I can't do the math it

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depends on like 60

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It depends on where you are.

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If you're in the Northern Territory,

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while the speed limit up

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there used to be open,

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so if you were not near a city or a town,

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you could just peg it and you'd be good.

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But I think they've changed

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it to 130 kilometers an hour,

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which is probably...

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Yeah, that's close.

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That's about the same.

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Yeah.

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I was just like,

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I just did a quick search.

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The fastest one here is 85, which is like,

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like West, like we'll be in Austin,

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right?

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Like coming up in May.

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If you keep going West of there,

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you're heading towards like

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New Mexico and towards Pacific ocean.

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That's all 85.

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Cause there's nothing there.

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Like it's fucking, it's a straight shot.

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So that is 130,

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I guess it's 137 kilometers an hour.

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That's a speed limit.

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So people do 100, right?

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So you're doing 100 miles an hour.

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So you're probably doing like 160,

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something like that.

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You're just flying.

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So in Western Australia,

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like in the country areas

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in Western Australia,

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there is nothing there.

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It's like the Autobahn, right?

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Just like safe and prudent.

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It's dead fucking straight.

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The roads are okay.

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They're not Autobahn roads,

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but they're okay.

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Yeah.

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But when I used to work out there,

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I just would get a day off every 14 days.

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You'd get a day off and

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would go to like a national park,

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but they're like 400 kilometers away.

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So you'd just like go out in

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the front of the mine, turn left,

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put your foot to the floor

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until it stopped

0:13:18.948 --> 0:13:20.269
accelerating anymore and

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then put cruise control on.

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For three hours.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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A couple of hours later at

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the national park.

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Yeah.

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That's fun.

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So last week, dear viewers,

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remember that you were

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coordinating with a certain

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show co-guest.

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Guest?

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I was going to say co-host.

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Guest and friend of the show.

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I was going to say co-host.

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Is it co-host?

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I don't know.

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That's a big head.

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Intern?

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Co-intern?

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You were going to see Rama, right?

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You were talking about doing a stopover.

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Did that happen?

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Oh, Rama's not happy.

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Why?

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What happened?

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Yeah, so I was going to go to a stopover.

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That way that you have to go

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is like another hour.

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100 kilometers, you said, yeah.

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Yeah, but what happened?

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So, oh, yeah.

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So I ordered some hard drives, right?

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Yeah.

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Which is like, so they came last week.

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I had to pick them up in a

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paper bag by the side of the freeway.

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No, no, no.

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In Northern Territory in a bathroom.

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Yeah.

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So what happened last week

0:14:28.827 --> 0:14:29.967
before I actually went to

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Melbourne was I had a

0:14:32.308 --> 0:14:34.489
server here that I was rebuilding,

0:14:34.989 --> 0:14:36.370
put some new SAS drives in,

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and I drove it down to

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Melbourne last week in the

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back of the car.

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Right.

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Ratchet strapped into the

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back of the wagon.

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Yeah.

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Took it to the data center down there,

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plugged it in.

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And then I was doing testing on it.

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And one of the hard drives was bad.

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Actually,

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I realized that up here before I went.

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And then I had talked to the supplier.

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And the supplier said on

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Wednesday when I was

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driving down there that

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they would mail me a new

0:15:09.181 --> 0:15:10.422
drive on Wednesday.

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Okay.

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And the supplier didn't mail

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the drive until fucking Friday.

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Okay.

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So it didn't get...

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to it was supposed to arrive

0:15:20.955 --> 0:15:23.256
on monday um but the

0:15:23.677 --> 0:15:27.522
fucking post person like

0:15:27.682 --> 0:15:29.102
bullshitted that they tried

0:15:29.143 --> 0:15:30.163
to deliver it because me

0:15:30.183 --> 0:15:31.164
and my partner were both

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home yeah and we get this

0:15:32.907 --> 0:15:33.868
message and it's like

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attempted delivery fucking

0:15:36.049 --> 0:15:38.351
myers I'm like you fucking

0:15:38.371 --> 0:15:39.573
dirty lying cunts

0:15:41.333 --> 0:15:46.475
I'm standing outside of the street.

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There's nowhere to park.

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That's why they didn't attempt it.

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They probably drove past them.

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Yeah, we've had that too.

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I mean, when I say there's nowhere to park,

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we live across from an enormous car park.

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Did they write that there

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was no place to park?

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Or you just assumed that?

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No, no, no, just assuming.

0:16:03.251 --> 0:16:05.552
There's a car park right across the road.

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It's a one-way street.

0:16:07.173 --> 0:16:08.835
There's a car park right across the road.

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Was that on Friday?

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It was on a Monday.

0:16:13.278 --> 0:16:14.418
Oh, so did they come back Tuesday?

0:16:15.438 --> 0:16:17.159
No, so they took it to the post office,

0:16:17.220 --> 0:16:17.421
right?

0:16:17.581 --> 0:16:18.801
And it was too late to

0:16:18.841 --> 0:16:19.841
get... By the time they

0:16:20.822 --> 0:16:22.264
went to the post office, dropped it off.

0:16:22.923 --> 0:16:25.004
Mind you, the post office is a block away,

0:16:25.605 --> 0:16:25.946
but they...

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They didn't do our delivery.

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Drove around and did some

0:16:30.390 --> 0:16:31.110
other deliveries.

0:16:31.610 --> 0:16:32.471
Then dropped it off at the

0:16:32.510 --> 0:16:34.951
post office like fucking 10 to 5.

0:16:34.951 --> 0:16:35.692
Sent the message.

0:16:36.772 --> 0:16:37.732
And they closed at 5.

0:16:38.972 --> 0:16:39.673
And I ran across there.

0:16:39.712 --> 0:16:40.173
It was too late.

0:16:41.033 --> 0:16:42.994
And so that was Monday.

0:16:43.033 --> 0:16:44.374
And I was going to go and

0:16:44.413 --> 0:16:45.774
drive on Tuesday.

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Get up early and drive at like 6.

0:16:49.515 --> 0:16:53.697
And then go to Rama's and have a beer.

0:16:54.116 --> 0:16:54.476
And then...

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off home on on wednesday

0:16:58.297 --> 0:16:59.697
yesterday for a shorter

0:16:59.738 --> 0:17:02.298
trip but I had to go pick

0:17:02.339 --> 0:17:03.019
up the hard drive in the

0:17:03.059 --> 0:17:04.000
morning and then fucking

0:17:04.019 --> 0:17:04.980
take it to the data center

0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:05.881
and swap it over and

0:17:05.941 --> 0:17:07.021
reconfigure it and

0:17:07.102 --> 0:17:08.162
re-silver and all the other

0:17:08.201 --> 0:17:10.423
bullshit so yeah so I just

0:17:10.523 --> 0:17:12.825
fucked my week so then so

0:17:12.845 --> 0:17:14.026
then he bought beer and had

0:17:14.046 --> 0:17:14.826
everything ready for you

0:17:14.865 --> 0:17:16.926
and you you dissed him oh I

0:17:17.007 --> 0:17:18.028
imagine we would have been

0:17:18.067 --> 0:17:19.729
going to the pub oh okay

0:17:22.479 --> 0:17:23.740
I'd also put him in a bit of a spot.

0:17:23.759 --> 0:17:26.201
I was like, can I stay at your place?

0:17:26.241 --> 0:17:26.823
He's got kids.

0:17:26.863 --> 0:17:27.462
I'm pretty sure he didn't

0:17:27.482 --> 0:17:28.943
want me to stay at his place.

0:17:29.765 --> 0:17:30.325
Next time,

0:17:30.345 --> 0:17:34.907
I'll organize a hotel near his place.

0:17:37.309 --> 0:17:38.570
I'm sure he's like, it's so bad.

0:17:38.590 --> 0:17:39.832
I wish we would have made it work.

0:17:40.392 --> 0:17:43.694
Too bad, dude.

0:17:43.734 --> 0:17:44.535
If someone said,

0:17:44.655 --> 0:17:45.895
can I come and couch surf?

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I'd be like, no.

0:17:50.057 --> 0:17:51.637
I just, just get a hotel.

0:17:53.180 --> 0:17:55.480
So I do feel kind of bad in asking now.

0:17:55.602 --> 0:17:56.843
So next time I'll just,

0:17:57.083 --> 0:17:57.903
I'll just get a hotel.

0:17:57.962 --> 0:17:58.844
I think you're kind of at

0:17:58.884 --> 0:18:00.144
the age where you should be

0:18:00.184 --> 0:18:02.467
able to afford a hotel.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

0:18:05.128 --> 0:18:06.609
I mean, not like 20 anymore,

0:18:06.750 --> 0:18:08.051
like sleep on your floor.

0:18:10.333 --> 0:18:13.195
We're not a full market affording hotels.

0:18:13.256 --> 0:18:15.738
That was, that was strictly a,

0:18:16.018 --> 0:18:18.000
a one time in spring 2022 kind of deal.

0:18:20.486 --> 0:18:21.586
hotels used to be like a

0:18:21.707 --> 0:18:23.126
once in once a year thing

0:18:23.207 --> 0:18:25.307
like if you were remote and

0:18:25.347 --> 0:18:26.868
then like you had a lady

0:18:26.929 --> 0:18:28.808
friend that needed uh you

0:18:28.828 --> 0:18:30.589
know accommodation on top

0:18:30.609 --> 0:18:34.010
of you and so you'd you'd

0:18:34.951 --> 0:18:36.432
get a hotel for the night

0:18:36.531 --> 0:18:38.613
by the hour um otherwise

0:18:38.633 --> 0:18:39.893
otherwise you'd just make

0:18:39.952 --> 0:18:41.773
do but the other piece the

0:18:41.814 --> 0:18:42.574
important piece of this is

0:18:42.594 --> 0:18:43.515
that you guys met before

0:18:44.275 --> 0:18:45.516
right so it wasn't like a

0:18:45.736 --> 0:18:47.217
first time I've never met

0:18:47.257 --> 0:18:48.096
this person he's come and

0:18:48.116 --> 0:18:48.857
stayed in my house with my

0:18:48.877 --> 0:18:50.778
kids right so there's some

0:18:51.199 --> 0:18:52.500
yeah yeah so it's not like

0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:53.421
I mean that's not a bad

0:18:53.500 --> 0:18:55.021
thing rama says these are

0:18:55.061 --> 0:18:56.221
lies everyone is excited to

0:18:56.261 --> 0:18:57.282
have this random crypto

0:18:57.563 --> 0:18:59.003
couch surfing I don't know

0:18:59.023 --> 0:18:59.824
about everyone being

0:18:59.864 --> 0:19:01.404
excited but maybe some

0:19:01.424 --> 0:19:02.286
members are excited at the

0:19:02.306 --> 0:19:08.329
house um that's too bad

0:19:08.349 --> 0:19:08.950
well maybe you guys will

0:19:08.970 --> 0:19:10.270
make it I mean you're in

0:19:10.290 --> 0:19:12.172
the same country only whatever

0:19:13.222 --> 0:19:13.982
How far are you guys apart?

0:19:14.002 --> 0:19:14.624
Maybe six hours?

0:19:15.663 --> 0:19:16.064
Five hours?

0:19:16.903 --> 0:19:17.904
Yeah, probably four hours.

0:19:18.444 --> 0:19:19.025
That's not too bad.

0:19:19.904 --> 0:19:20.885
I could probably just whip

0:19:20.905 --> 0:19:21.746
down there and see him,

0:19:21.766 --> 0:19:23.727
but I've got a load of shit on.

0:19:24.487 --> 0:19:25.747
Four hours in this country

0:19:25.767 --> 0:19:27.387
will get you to fucking Scotland.

0:19:27.708 --> 0:19:31.148
I don't know.

0:19:32.130 --> 0:19:32.869
I think it would get... I

0:19:33.430 --> 0:19:34.089
could probably get all the

0:19:34.109 --> 0:19:35.230
way to Cornwall in one

0:19:35.270 --> 0:19:36.851
direction and midway up

0:19:36.931 --> 0:19:37.852
Scotland in the other.

0:19:37.872 --> 0:19:39.412
We have to be...

0:19:39.412 --> 0:19:45.039
30 hours apart probably

0:19:45.921 --> 0:19:48.182
drama you guys have done

0:19:48.202 --> 0:19:49.243
that drive before drama

0:19:49.263 --> 0:19:50.565
says I told the wife I've

0:19:50.605 --> 0:19:51.826
met him before he's a

0:19:51.846 --> 0:19:53.528
normal guy for someone in

0:19:53.548 --> 0:19:55.769
crypto and she was okay

0:19:55.809 --> 0:19:59.413
with that oh that's funny

0:19:59.773 --> 0:20:00.594
actually you're you're an

0:20:00.634 --> 0:20:01.634
amazing guy for someone in

0:20:01.654 --> 0:20:03.936
crypto yeah exactly right

0:20:08.257 --> 0:20:08.896
You know, like,

0:20:09.497 --> 0:20:10.758
I was at this conference

0:20:10.798 --> 0:20:13.519
with the Artifact guys last year,

0:20:13.838 --> 0:20:16.358
and because the baby was really wee,

0:20:17.619 --> 0:20:18.359
I had him with me.

0:20:19.900 --> 0:20:21.921
And my wife was still on mat

0:20:21.961 --> 0:20:22.661
leave at the time,

0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.461
so she came with for a few days.

0:20:27.201 --> 0:20:31.503
But because of their weird

0:20:31.624 --> 0:20:32.763
off-the-cuff schedule,

0:20:32.903 --> 0:20:33.784
you know what the Artifact

0:20:33.824 --> 0:20:35.505
look a lot like at a conference.

0:20:35.585 --> 0:20:36.265
It's quite weird.

0:20:38.501 --> 0:20:39.502
whatever we feel like, man.

0:20:41.644 --> 0:20:44.184
Like, they never actually interacted.

0:20:44.384 --> 0:20:46.425
So from my other half's perspective,

0:20:46.526 --> 0:20:48.507
I kept being like, oh yeah, no, no, no.

0:20:48.846 --> 0:20:49.008
Yeah,

0:20:49.188 --> 0:20:50.607
maybe you'll see the Americans later.

0:20:51.348 --> 0:20:52.588
They never materialized.

0:20:52.628 --> 0:20:53.529
And I kept being like, oh,

0:20:53.549 --> 0:20:54.529
I'm going to go off and see

0:20:54.549 --> 0:20:55.030
the Americans.

0:20:55.050 --> 0:20:57.332
And she's like, yeah, well,

0:20:58.270 --> 0:20:58.891
Okay, cool.

0:20:59.152 --> 0:21:00.332
Is there a thing you need to go to?

0:21:00.352 --> 0:21:01.093
Yeah, I'm going to go to a thing.

0:21:01.113 --> 0:21:02.012
I'll meet the Americans there.

0:21:02.032 --> 0:21:03.173
And she's like, yeah,

0:21:03.334 --> 0:21:04.213
you're imaginary friends.

0:21:04.253 --> 0:21:06.695
Yeah, yeah.

0:21:06.776 --> 0:21:08.576
These people apparently, you know,

0:21:08.856 --> 0:21:10.097
we're in adjacent streets

0:21:10.117 --> 0:21:12.499
and I haven't ever seen them before.

0:21:12.558 --> 0:21:14.240
I'm sure they exist.

0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.540
Yeah, no point.

0:21:16.681 --> 0:21:17.582
And no point do they see

0:21:17.602 --> 0:21:18.281
each other or anything.

0:21:20.202 --> 0:21:20.423
Really?

0:21:20.463 --> 0:21:21.023
I didn't know that.

0:21:21.084 --> 0:21:23.424
So was I the first American

0:21:23.484 --> 0:21:26.326
friend to meet your wife from crypto?

0:21:29.377 --> 0:21:31.378
I think so,

0:21:31.660 --> 0:21:33.560
other than people I already knew, yeah.

0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:37.183
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:21:37.663 --> 0:21:38.285
Where was that?

0:21:38.365 --> 0:21:40.246
You guys were in, was that Amsterdam?

0:21:41.366 --> 0:21:43.949
No, we met when Schultzy was in the UK.

0:21:44.608 --> 0:21:46.230
Oh, just away from any conference, right?

0:21:46.250 --> 0:21:48.491
You guys were just going through, right?

0:21:48.813 --> 0:21:50.634
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:21:50.673 --> 0:21:53.576
Was I the first to meet your wife,

0:21:54.136 --> 0:21:55.798
Schultzy, from Crypto?

0:21:58.008 --> 0:21:58.970
Uh, yes.

0:21:59.009 --> 0:22:02.153
And I think that still remains true.

0:22:02.173 --> 0:22:02.974
I think you're still the,

0:22:03.355 --> 0:22:05.238
you're the one and only the only.

0:22:05.258 --> 0:22:07.922
Yeah, that's right.

0:22:07.981 --> 0:22:09.463
Rama's wife should feel good about that,

0:22:09.503 --> 0:22:11.567
but let's save this clip in Senator.

0:22:16.308 --> 0:22:17.710
I'll be like the only person

0:22:17.730 --> 0:22:19.269
that rama's wife's met from

0:22:19.309 --> 0:22:20.790
crypto as well yeah I've

0:22:20.851 --> 0:22:22.211
met him before he's a

0:22:22.251 --> 0:22:23.212
normal guy for someone in

0:22:23.232 --> 0:22:24.413
crypto and he met someone

0:22:24.472 --> 0:22:26.153
else's wife and she said

0:22:26.335 --> 0:22:29.256
he's okay and she's still

0:22:29.296 --> 0:22:30.916
alive she's still she's

0:22:30.936 --> 0:22:32.577
still here she's still

0:22:32.597 --> 0:22:33.278
being given two

0:22:33.838 --> 0:22:35.680
non-weirdness honestly that

0:22:35.740 --> 0:22:36.740
that's more of a that's

0:22:36.780 --> 0:22:38.080
more of a uh you should use

0:22:38.101 --> 0:22:38.761
that on the website

0:22:39.861 --> 0:22:42.602
like crypto friends wives

0:22:42.961 --> 0:22:43.923
the crypto friends wives

0:22:43.962 --> 0:22:44.903
that I'm actually pretty

0:22:44.962 --> 0:22:47.263
I'm okay that's not that

0:22:47.304 --> 0:22:48.565
I'm actually reasonably

0:22:48.644 --> 0:22:49.744
normal that's actually a

0:22:49.765 --> 0:22:51.185
really good that's actually

0:22:51.306 --> 0:22:54.807
that's uh I mean to be fair

0:22:54.826 --> 0:22:55.788
it's not that it's not the

0:22:55.948 --> 0:22:57.347
it's not the for a guy in

0:22:57.387 --> 0:22:58.147
crypto you want to worry

0:22:58.167 --> 0:22:59.368
about it's kind of like for

0:22:59.409 --> 0:23:04.711
an australian hey I was

0:23:04.750 --> 0:23:05.451
giving him shit about that

0:23:05.471 --> 0:23:06.531
today with doing an introduction

0:23:09.291 --> 0:23:11.272
I'm not weird enough for an Australian.

0:23:12.952 --> 0:23:13.192
True.

0:23:13.272 --> 0:23:14.792
You are pretty muted for an Australian.

0:23:14.873 --> 0:23:17.233
I was kind of surprised and disappointed.

0:23:20.314 --> 0:23:23.154
Especially for how backwoods you are.

0:23:24.974 --> 0:23:25.154
What?

0:23:25.836 --> 0:23:26.496
The country?

0:23:27.155 --> 0:23:27.875
I'm forwards, man.

0:23:28.355 --> 0:23:32.176
I invested in Amazon.

0:23:32.297 --> 0:23:33.297
I didn't say backwards.

0:23:33.336 --> 0:23:34.317
I said backwoods.

0:23:35.817 --> 0:23:36.337
In the bush.

0:23:38.787 --> 0:23:41.208
um yeah man yeah even the

0:23:41.307 --> 0:23:42.488
cities are like the bush

0:23:42.548 --> 0:23:45.669
here I know yeah I mean

0:23:45.868 --> 0:23:46.368
it's a little bit

0:23:46.429 --> 0:23:47.589
disappointing in melbourne

0:23:47.630 --> 0:23:50.750
that the mailbox is so

0:23:50.789 --> 0:23:54.111
close to the house what

0:23:54.471 --> 0:23:58.031
what does that mean it's a

0:23:58.532 --> 0:23:59.913
mailbox separation it's

0:23:59.932 --> 0:24:03.374
just a joke it's like a

0:24:03.413 --> 0:24:05.634
joke that you know like to

0:24:05.674 --> 0:24:07.134
get to your mailbox here is like

0:24:08.386 --> 0:24:09.468
you know, half hour drive.

0:24:12.970 --> 0:24:13.510
Too funny.

0:24:14.451 --> 0:24:14.730
Well, well,

0:24:14.750 --> 0:24:15.612
maybe you guys will figure out.

0:24:15.632 --> 0:24:16.833
He's like trying to process that.

0:24:17.472 --> 0:24:18.913
He went off mute for a second.

0:24:18.933 --> 0:24:21.195
He's like, no, back to, back to thinking.

0:24:21.854 --> 0:24:22.574
Yeah, I got nothing.

0:24:22.694 --> 0:24:23.315
I was like, what?

0:24:25.056 --> 0:24:29.057
So you have to go to town to

0:24:29.077 --> 0:24:30.538
go to a post office to pick

0:24:30.558 --> 0:24:31.579
stuff up rather than having

0:24:31.599 --> 0:24:32.820
a local thing?

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:34.561
Or are you kidding me?

0:24:35.082 --> 0:24:36.222
Just insinuating that the

0:24:36.262 --> 0:24:37.323
driveway is really long.

0:24:37.403 --> 0:24:38.763
The driveway is really long.

0:24:39.324 --> 0:24:40.505
They own 800,000 acres,

0:24:40.545 --> 0:24:42.226
so his mailbox is four

0:24:42.266 --> 0:24:43.027
miles from the house.

0:24:43.787 --> 0:24:45.367
All right, listen, I'm slow sometimes,

0:24:45.448 --> 0:24:45.669
all right?

0:24:45.749 --> 0:24:46.588
I need a little bit of,

0:24:46.749 --> 0:24:48.411
I need an extra explanation for some bit.

0:24:48.431 --> 0:24:49.711
You need a water bottle to walk.

0:24:49.751 --> 0:24:51.512
It's not even early there.

0:24:51.913 --> 0:24:53.034
So I looked it up, right?

0:24:53.253 --> 0:24:54.855
The population of, first of all,

0:24:54.875 --> 0:24:55.796
the population of Sydney is

0:24:55.915 --> 0:24:57.317
only slightly bigger than Melbourne.

0:24:58.377 --> 0:24:58.538
What?

0:24:59.218 --> 0:24:59.659
Is that true?

0:24:59.858 --> 0:25:00.419
Wait, really?

0:25:00.719 --> 0:25:01.319
Yeah, apparently.

0:25:01.420 --> 0:25:01.539
Yeah,

0:25:01.980 --> 0:25:02.881
they reckon Melbourne's going to

0:25:02.901 --> 0:25:04.221
overtake Sydney.

0:25:04.241 --> 0:25:06.123
Sydney feels way bigger than

0:25:06.163 --> 0:25:08.845
Melbourne when you're in Sydney.

0:25:08.865 --> 0:25:10.767
Melbourne is far nicer, like,

0:25:11.547 --> 0:25:12.107
aesthetically.

0:25:13.075 --> 0:25:14.016
Is it more suburbs?

0:25:14.036 --> 0:25:17.160
Because Sydney downtown feels way bigger,

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:17.420
right?

0:25:20.063 --> 0:25:22.965
The sprawl in Melbourne is amazing.

0:25:22.986 --> 0:25:26.230
Suburbs are just fucking people.

0:25:26.911 --> 0:25:28.332
It's a little bit like the

0:25:28.392 --> 0:25:29.614
northwest of England where

0:25:29.653 --> 0:25:31.035
there's not really any

0:25:31.115 --> 0:25:32.436
countryside between the

0:25:32.957 --> 0:25:34.477
the peak district and the sea,

0:25:35.117 --> 0:25:36.458
but it's like several,

0:25:36.698 --> 0:25:37.698
it's just like lots and

0:25:37.738 --> 0:25:39.278
lots of things run together

0:25:39.318 --> 0:25:40.939
is kind of what Melbourne feels like.

0:25:41.538 --> 0:25:41.999
Yeah.

0:25:42.138 --> 0:25:43.740
And like the older town is

0:25:43.819 --> 0:25:47.181
just like a bunch of bar, you know,

0:25:47.861 --> 0:25:50.121
the suburbs are like all

0:25:50.161 --> 0:25:51.201
very close together and

0:25:51.221 --> 0:25:51.981
they've all got their own

0:25:52.001 --> 0:25:52.801
little centers and,

0:25:53.945 --> 0:25:55.909
Um, and they're all like pretty unique.

0:25:56.209 --> 0:25:58.412
I didn't really realize when Chicago land,

0:25:58.491 --> 0:25:59.873
actually, if you've been to Chicago,

0:25:59.932 --> 0:26:00.753
like it's a little bit like

0:26:00.795 --> 0:26:02.355
Chicago land in the sense of like,

0:26:02.477 --> 0:26:04.318
if you go to like random

0:26:04.358 --> 0:26:06.480
places in which are like in Illinois,

0:26:06.500 --> 0:26:07.001
but they're actually in

0:26:07.021 --> 0:26:08.083
kind of Chicago land,

0:26:08.923 --> 0:26:09.925
they have their own little

0:26:10.326 --> 0:26:11.247
center of gravity.

0:26:11.446 --> 0:26:11.788
Don't they?

0:26:13.375 --> 0:26:13.955
First of all,

0:26:14.336 --> 0:26:15.616
nobody says the word Chicagoland,

0:26:15.778 --> 0:26:19.880
but in Chicago,

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:21.240
all the suburbs usually

0:26:21.260 --> 0:26:22.662
have a small downtown, right?

0:26:23.082 --> 0:26:24.563
Actually, same thing where we are too.

0:26:24.702 --> 0:26:26.304
It's kind of an American thing too, right?

0:26:26.324 --> 0:26:27.865
You have a small main street

0:26:27.884 --> 0:26:28.384
and everything else.

0:26:28.806 --> 0:26:30.046
Except these are all really- Ooh,

0:26:30.086 --> 0:26:30.686
I would push back.

0:26:30.707 --> 0:26:33.288
I would definitely push back

0:26:33.407 --> 0:26:34.489
on that being a normal thing.

0:26:34.969 --> 0:26:36.931
Well, maybe it's an East Coast thing.

0:26:37.676 --> 0:26:38.817
definitely east coast thing

0:26:38.897 --> 0:26:39.739
in the west coast that's

0:26:39.778 --> 0:26:41.359
it's quite rare to have

0:26:41.380 --> 0:26:42.361
like a suburb have its own

0:26:42.381 --> 0:26:43.541
strip that is a that is a

0:26:43.622 --> 0:26:45.143
colonial thing that's a

0:26:45.344 --> 0:26:46.324
it's a real it's a real

0:26:46.384 --> 0:26:48.987
english thing yeah yeah

0:26:49.406 --> 0:26:50.067
maybe that maybe that's

0:26:50.087 --> 0:26:51.828
right we're like see where

0:26:51.848 --> 0:26:52.970
we are we have like small

0:26:53.411 --> 0:26:54.391
downtown area where there's

0:26:54.632 --> 0:26:55.451
where there's more walking

0:26:55.491 --> 0:26:56.073
and everything else and

0:26:56.093 --> 0:26:57.354
then you have kind of

0:26:57.374 --> 0:26:58.154
sprawl around that and

0:26:58.194 --> 0:26:59.195
those we have a bunch of

0:26:59.256 --> 0:27:00.436
pockets of those right same

0:27:00.457 --> 0:27:01.237
thing in chicago as well

0:27:01.277 --> 0:27:02.377
like there's a I mean those

0:27:02.397 --> 0:27:04.039
suburbs are really huge now right like we

0:27:04.701 --> 0:27:06.721
when I was there 30,000 people in a,

0:27:06.820 --> 0:27:08.402
in a small suburban town.

0:27:08.422 --> 0:27:09.741
And now that's like 50 or 60

0:27:09.741 --> 0:27:10.801
because they're all jammed in there.

0:27:10.842 --> 0:27:13.182
But, but yeah, crazy.

0:27:14.163 --> 0:27:16.703
In, in any case, the, yeah, the,

0:27:16.804 --> 0:27:17.223
the little,

0:27:17.703 --> 0:27:19.503
the suburbs are all quite like,

0:27:19.523 --> 0:27:20.483
they've got their own little thing.

0:27:21.045 --> 0:27:21.224
You know,

0:27:21.244 --> 0:27:22.285
they're all got their own sort of

0:27:22.325 --> 0:27:25.306
thing where we are now is like,

0:27:26.286 --> 0:27:27.105
it's the crypto.

0:27:27.125 --> 0:27:27.266
Yeah.

0:27:30.221 --> 0:27:31.483
Everybody's just trading

0:27:31.503 --> 0:27:35.627
NFTs of farm animals in the street.

0:27:36.249 --> 0:27:38.090
It really feels like a

0:27:38.191 --> 0:27:39.612
suburb just filled with

0:27:39.712 --> 0:27:41.494
busted cunts that have got no money.

0:27:44.897 --> 0:27:45.459
What does that mean?

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:47.221
Like...

0:27:49.730 --> 0:27:51.431
everyone's like wearing rags

0:27:51.490 --> 0:27:52.830
and shit it's like yeah

0:27:53.251 --> 0:27:54.031
there's like this real big

0:27:54.112 --> 0:27:55.392
secondhand culture in this

0:27:55.752 --> 0:27:57.373
suburb like there's all

0:27:57.393 --> 0:27:58.554
these op shops and shit

0:27:58.594 --> 0:27:59.634
everywhere it's like I mean

0:27:59.653 --> 0:28:01.595
we're in just one of these

0:28:01.674 --> 0:28:03.215
or you mean all of them no

0:28:03.236 --> 0:28:04.296
no just just the suburb

0:28:04.316 --> 0:28:05.717
that we're in now oh okay

0:28:05.836 --> 0:28:07.837
okay everyone spends their

0:28:07.877 --> 0:28:09.838
money on like food and

0:28:09.858 --> 0:28:13.500
coffee yeah it's like I

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:15.141
like a bit of a boomer right now

0:28:16.758 --> 0:28:16.998
Yeah,

0:28:17.057 --> 0:28:19.660
it's like everyone eats out there all

0:28:19.700 --> 0:28:20.220
the time.

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:20.500
Kids,

0:28:20.559 --> 0:28:21.881
they're spending all their time

0:28:22.260 --> 0:28:23.321
eating out and spending

0:28:23.342 --> 0:28:24.762
money on experiences rather

0:28:24.782 --> 0:28:26.763
than buying tailored shirts

0:28:27.483 --> 0:28:29.404
that they don't have to wear to their job,

0:28:29.444 --> 0:28:30.645
that they don't have to go

0:28:30.665 --> 0:28:32.666
into the office for anymore

0:28:32.886 --> 0:28:33.907
because they just sit on

0:28:33.948 --> 0:28:35.148
Zoom with the camera off.

0:28:36.467 --> 0:28:37.547
At the same time,

0:28:38.166 --> 0:28:39.788
it's like a real old area

0:28:39.928 --> 0:28:43.968
for like Lebanese and other

0:28:43.988 --> 0:28:47.169
Middle East and some Asian

0:28:47.209 --> 0:28:48.328
cultures as well in there,

0:28:49.028 --> 0:28:52.369
which makes it quite unique in that area,

0:28:52.410 --> 0:28:53.450
especially the Middle East

0:28:53.609 --> 0:28:54.609
flavor that's everywhere.

0:28:54.630 --> 0:28:55.550
It's like lots of really

0:28:55.590 --> 0:28:56.830
nice Middle Eastern

0:28:56.851 --> 0:28:57.711
restaurants and stuff.

0:28:58.070 --> 0:28:58.351
It's good.

0:28:59.451 --> 0:29:00.570
But yeah,

0:29:00.631 --> 0:29:01.852
it's really close to the city too.

0:29:01.932 --> 0:29:02.652
It's a good little spot.

0:29:03.271 --> 0:29:03.471
Yeah.

0:29:05.236 --> 0:29:06.136
But, yeah, so, you know,

0:29:06.596 --> 0:29:07.637
it's local flavor.

0:29:07.678 --> 0:29:09.598
And then if you go, like,

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:11.539
the next suburb over,

0:29:11.579 --> 0:29:12.421
which is actually just

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.022
called that same suburb east,

0:29:16.263 --> 0:29:18.505
and it's all full of rich

0:29:18.545 --> 0:29:21.567
fucks and nicer restaurants.

0:29:22.627 --> 0:29:23.107
Yeah.

0:29:24.388 --> 0:29:26.970
If you've got ideas above your station,

0:29:27.089 --> 0:29:28.431
you want to move into the

0:29:28.490 --> 0:29:30.372
rich fuck suburb.

0:29:30.451 --> 0:29:32.292
You don't want to be in the

0:29:32.333 --> 0:29:32.972
rich fuck suburb.

0:29:33.053 --> 0:29:33.232
Well,

0:29:33.272 --> 0:29:35.834
the thing is that the houses cost the

0:29:35.874 --> 0:29:37.295
same from the rich fuck

0:29:37.315 --> 0:29:39.435
suburb to the busted fuck suburb.

0:29:39.976 --> 0:29:41.616
The houses are all still unaffordable.

0:29:41.636 --> 0:29:43.877
It's just the retail is different.

0:29:46.657 --> 0:29:47.979
Yeah, it's just like the shop.

0:29:48.078 --> 0:29:48.719
It's like, you know,

0:29:49.239 --> 0:29:50.940
down the main street of my suburb,

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:52.681
it's all graffiti and dog shit.

0:29:53.340 --> 0:29:54.662
And you go over to the next

0:29:54.721 --> 0:29:56.741
suburb and it's like, you know,

0:29:56.821 --> 0:30:01.124
nice windows being clean and whatever.

0:30:01.545 --> 0:30:02.404
You should start your own

0:30:02.525 --> 0:30:04.425
foo-foo bullshit coffee shop, whatever,

0:30:04.526 --> 0:30:05.905
on the poor side and name

0:30:05.925 --> 0:30:06.686
it after something on the

0:30:06.727 --> 0:30:07.626
east side and call it

0:30:07.666 --> 0:30:09.288
something east and be like, and then,

0:30:09.488 --> 0:30:11.588
you know, do that.

0:30:11.608 --> 0:30:14.410
You know, at the last suburb we lived in,

0:30:14.450 --> 0:30:16.030
there was a fucking beanbag shop.

0:30:21.375 --> 0:30:23.715
A whole fucking shop just beanbags.

0:30:25.096 --> 0:30:26.416
Like ones you sit in or ones

0:30:26.457 --> 0:30:27.196
you throw at people?

0:30:27.897 --> 0:30:29.518
Like ones you fucking sit in, man.

0:30:29.837 --> 0:30:30.179
Oh, really?

0:30:30.219 --> 0:30:31.019
Just a fucking beanbag shop?

0:30:31.038 --> 0:30:32.118
What in the fuck is this?

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:35.421
Yeah, Melbourne's different for sure.

0:30:37.102 --> 0:30:41.383
It's kind of like... I don't

0:30:41.403 --> 0:30:44.184
know what it's kind of like.

0:30:44.204 --> 0:30:45.085
There's a lot of weird fucks

0:30:45.125 --> 0:30:47.046
there like there would be in L.A.,

0:30:49.022 --> 0:30:49.583
But, you know,

0:30:49.742 --> 0:30:51.285
LA is a bit more beachy and relaxed.

0:30:52.566 --> 0:30:54.527
Yeah, I don't know.

0:30:55.028 --> 0:30:56.169
I met a guy from New York

0:30:56.209 --> 0:30:58.109
there on the last weekend.

0:30:58.130 --> 0:31:00.352
We were looking at some

0:31:00.451 --> 0:31:01.874
units and he's like,

0:31:02.433 --> 0:31:03.535
he's a real estate agent

0:31:03.575 --> 0:31:04.415
and he's from New York.

0:31:04.996 --> 0:31:08.219
And I was like, oh, I'm like,

0:31:08.259 --> 0:31:09.440
how do you like Australia?

0:31:09.599 --> 0:31:11.701
And I'm like, are you a resident here now?

0:31:11.721 --> 0:31:12.722
Are you a citizen?

0:31:12.762 --> 0:31:14.003
He's like, yeah, man, I'm a citizen.

0:31:15.301 --> 0:31:18.365
And he introduced himself as, you know,

0:31:18.866 --> 0:31:19.928
Paul from New York.

0:31:21.329 --> 0:31:22.771
There's New York in there?

0:31:22.872 --> 0:31:24.994
I'm like, oh, hey, yeah, I'm Paul, right?

0:31:25.174 --> 0:31:25.875
And he's like, yeah, yeah.

0:31:26.415 --> 0:31:27.758
And then I said, oh,

0:31:27.778 --> 0:31:28.940
you're from the States.

0:31:29.220 --> 0:31:30.741
And he goes, New York.

0:31:31.742 --> 0:31:31.923
Uh-huh.

0:31:33.685 --> 0:31:34.767
Like he ain't from the States.

0:31:34.826 --> 0:31:36.188
He's from New York.

0:31:36.268 --> 0:31:36.468
Yeah.

0:31:36.587 --> 0:31:37.307
That's, that's,

0:31:37.848 --> 0:31:38.769
you got to separate yourself.

0:31:38.868 --> 0:31:41.191
That's like, yeah, that's yeah, exactly.

0:31:41.550 --> 0:31:42.991
I said, that's, that's a, that's like,

0:31:43.031 --> 0:31:46.713
how do you know somebody from Boston?

0:31:47.054 --> 0:31:47.653
They'll let you know.

0:31:47.673 --> 0:31:47.795
Yeah.

0:31:47.815 --> 0:31:48.775
They fucking let you know.

0:31:48.954 --> 0:31:49.335
Exactly.

0:31:49.394 --> 0:31:50.615
Yeah.

0:31:51.116 --> 0:31:52.277
That happened to me the other day.

0:31:52.297 --> 0:31:53.938
I was talking to, to somebody and,

0:31:54.278 --> 0:31:56.259
and they just, I don't know,

0:31:56.279 --> 0:31:58.381
within five minutes to

0:31:58.401 --> 0:31:59.501
start the conversation, maybe less,

0:31:59.541 --> 0:32:00.721
they just dropped into conversation.

0:32:00.781 --> 0:32:02.323
Like, well, you know, in Boston,

0:32:02.343 --> 0:32:03.423
I was like,

0:32:04.882 --> 0:32:05.462
I've heard of it.

0:32:05.843 --> 0:32:06.144
Yes.

0:32:06.163 --> 0:32:08.926
I've never heard about that about Boston,

0:32:09.027 --> 0:32:09.828
but Texas.

0:32:10.288 --> 0:32:10.829
Oh man.

0:32:10.990 --> 0:32:11.351
Oh yeah.

0:32:11.431 --> 0:32:11.830
Texas.

0:32:11.871 --> 0:32:12.311
Let you know.

0:32:12.432 --> 0:32:13.353
We can tell somebody's from

0:32:13.393 --> 0:32:14.615
Texas cause they're like

0:32:14.634 --> 0:32:15.836
concealed carrying or whatever.

0:32:15.896 --> 0:32:16.037
Right.

0:32:16.076 --> 0:32:17.137
You just got a big bulge.

0:32:17.618 --> 0:32:18.460
They got a bulge here for

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:20.041
the belly and a bulge here for the gun.

0:32:20.061 --> 0:32:21.384
And you're like,

0:32:22.704 --> 0:32:24.205
So one thing that, that,

0:32:24.306 --> 0:32:26.646
that shitted me about Arizona, which is,

0:32:26.748 --> 0:32:27.847
which may, I mean,

0:32:27.907 --> 0:32:28.788
it makes a lot of sense, right?

0:32:28.828 --> 0:32:29.409
It's smart.

0:32:29.469 --> 0:32:29.909
Arizona,

0:32:30.289 --> 0:32:32.671
everybody fucking wears a cowboy hats,

0:32:32.911 --> 0:32:33.131
right?

0:32:33.392 --> 0:32:34.271
Because they're actually

0:32:34.332 --> 0:32:36.073
really practical in that climate.

0:32:36.653 --> 0:32:37.834
And you're just like, as a European,

0:32:37.854 --> 0:32:39.815
you're like, oh yeah,

0:32:39.855 --> 0:32:40.895
they're not just like a

0:32:40.996 --> 0:32:42.116
cowboy film thing.

0:32:42.136 --> 0:32:45.439
They totally make a lot of sense.

0:32:45.739 --> 0:32:47.339
There's people just like walking around.

0:32:47.983 --> 0:32:49.346
With cowboy hat and a gun.

0:32:49.365 --> 0:32:51.086
You're just like, this is,

0:32:51.387 --> 0:32:52.970
this is like landing on Mars.

0:32:53.150 --> 0:32:55.051
This is wild.

0:32:56.432 --> 0:32:56.794
Well, I mean,

0:32:56.814 --> 0:32:57.755
it's fun because you'll find

0:32:57.815 --> 0:32:58.976
like a bunch of Cadillacs

0:32:59.016 --> 0:33:00.798
with steer horns on the front.

0:33:00.897 --> 0:33:01.159
Yeah.

0:33:01.199 --> 0:33:02.599
Just kind of like, like boss.

0:33:02.700 --> 0:33:03.040
Yeah.

0:33:03.821 --> 0:33:04.021
Yeah.

0:33:06.104 --> 0:33:08.365
But really only in maybe Montana as well.

0:33:08.404 --> 0:33:09.205
But it's bizarre every time

0:33:09.246 --> 0:33:09.806
I drive through there.

0:33:09.826 --> 0:33:10.566
I'm like, really?

0:33:10.987 --> 0:33:11.646
That's what you got?

0:33:11.666 --> 0:33:13.248
It took 101 episodes for me

0:33:13.268 --> 0:33:16.068
to make a... Is this the

0:33:16.108 --> 0:33:16.789
first time we've seen

0:33:16.829 --> 0:33:18.490
Artifact here in 101 episodes?

0:33:19.090 --> 0:33:19.290
No.

0:33:19.871 --> 0:33:22.413
No, but it's been 50 episodes for sure.

0:33:23.353 --> 0:33:24.173
It must have been burning

0:33:24.192 --> 0:33:25.134
because we chatted about them.

0:33:25.513 --> 0:33:26.213
No,

0:33:26.535 --> 0:33:27.934
we text each other back and forth and

0:33:27.954 --> 0:33:28.415
I'm like, hey,

0:33:28.435 --> 0:33:29.796
we're on Game of Thrones

0:33:29.836 --> 0:33:31.116
and every once in a while then he goes,

0:33:31.217 --> 0:33:31.336
oh,

0:33:31.376 --> 0:33:32.377
maybe I should hop on Game of Thrones.

0:33:33.829 --> 0:33:34.309
You should.

0:33:34.990 --> 0:33:37.112
So he's accusing me of being

0:33:37.211 --> 0:33:40.854
up to my eyeballs in testnet shickling.

0:33:41.734 --> 0:33:43.095
I don't think that's the case.

0:33:44.576 --> 0:33:45.356
But anyway,

0:33:45.376 --> 0:33:46.656
the end of the thought about

0:33:46.696 --> 0:33:48.097
population before we

0:33:48.157 --> 0:33:49.078
probably should move on to

0:33:49.118 --> 0:33:51.019
some validator operations is like,

0:33:51.839 --> 0:33:53.040
by my shitty maths,

0:33:53.260 --> 0:33:54.182
nearly a third of the

0:33:54.221 --> 0:33:55.461
population of Australia

0:33:55.742 --> 0:33:58.104
live in just Melbourne and Sydney.

0:33:59.205 --> 0:33:59.767
Probably more.

0:34:00.347 --> 0:34:01.528
Yeah, probably more, I would think, right?

0:34:02.210 --> 0:34:03.731
Yeah, like around a third.

0:34:03.751 --> 0:34:05.674
It'd be more like two-thirds.

0:34:05.694 --> 0:34:08.858
No, it's about 12 million people,

0:34:08.878 --> 0:34:09.159
isn't it?

0:34:09.179 --> 0:34:10.442
Something like that?

0:34:10.461 --> 0:34:11.163
There's 20-something million...

0:34:14.023 --> 0:34:16.385
How many total in Australia?

0:34:16.525 --> 0:34:17.346
27, 30 something.

0:34:17.786 --> 0:34:17.985
What?

0:34:18.005 --> 0:34:19.586
I thought it was like 36.

0:34:20.027 --> 0:34:22.210
This is like quite a pub

0:34:22.250 --> 0:34:23.090
quiz question now.

0:34:23.349 --> 0:34:25.012
Maybe I haven't checked for a while.

0:34:25.271 --> 0:34:26.273
Hey, when I was a kid,

0:34:26.333 --> 0:34:28.614
it was like 28 million.

0:34:28.894 --> 0:34:30.115
36 million in the whole country?

0:34:30.675 --> 0:34:31.836
Yeah, it's got to be 36 million,

0:34:31.876 --> 0:34:32.197
hasn't it?

0:34:33.177 --> 0:34:34.438
Jesus, that sounds wonderful.

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.722
Because it's like a population of the UK.

0:34:39.202 --> 0:34:39.862
There's probably 36 million

0:34:39.882 --> 0:34:40.423
within 300 miles of me.

0:34:45.063 --> 0:34:47.565
How many would be on Manhattan Island?

0:34:47.585 --> 0:34:48.505
That'd be a few, wouldn't it?

0:34:49.347 --> 0:34:51.088
New York proper is probably nine.

0:34:52.070 --> 0:34:52.791
Yeah, that's a fair bit.

0:34:52.831 --> 0:34:53.972
Ten, somewhere in there.

0:34:55.402 --> 0:34:56.483
philly is probably I don't

0:34:56.503 --> 0:34:57.143
even know what philly is

0:34:57.182 --> 0:34:58.023
philly's got to be at least

0:34:58.324 --> 0:34:59.364
three or four out of new

0:34:59.385 --> 0:35:00.965
york new york metropole is

0:35:01.385 --> 0:35:03.206
over 24 million at least I

0:35:03.228 --> 0:35:04.487
think new york proper is at

0:35:04.507 --> 0:35:06.530
least 10 I think the five

0:35:06.590 --> 0:35:07.851
boroughs is at least 10

0:35:07.851 --> 0:35:08.510
that's what I was thinking

0:35:08.550 --> 0:35:09.291
I was thinking like just

0:35:09.552 --> 0:35:10.893
yeah just proper but like

0:35:10.932 --> 0:35:11.793
that whole area because

0:35:11.813 --> 0:35:12.713
then you're so close to

0:35:12.773 --> 0:35:13.574
philly and you start and

0:35:13.594 --> 0:35:15.356
you start pulling in dc and

0:35:15.376 --> 0:35:16.836
baltimore and all that shit like

0:35:17.485 --> 0:35:19.568
The population of Australia

0:35:19.947 --> 0:35:23.231
is 25.69 million as of the whole country.

0:35:23.331 --> 0:35:24.632
God, that sounds wonderful.

0:35:25.773 --> 0:35:27.454
Like Canada is obviously a lot bigger,

0:35:27.494 --> 0:35:29.436
but California is fucking

0:35:29.436 --> 0:35:30.096
14 million more.

0:35:31.157 --> 0:35:32.117
Wow.

0:35:32.217 --> 0:35:33.458
In the words of John McClane

0:35:33.498 --> 0:35:36.862
and diehard California, California,

0:35:37.041 --> 0:35:38.623
California, my favorite,

0:35:38.704 --> 0:35:40.264
my favorite down since your, uh,

0:35:40.764 --> 0:35:41.925
since your education or

0:35:41.945 --> 0:35:42.626
maybe your education,

0:35:42.646 --> 0:35:43.487
they were just uplifting it.

0:35:43.507 --> 0:35:44.088
So you felt better.

0:35:45.409 --> 0:35:46.070
Which education?

0:35:46.090 --> 0:35:46.250
Sorry.

0:35:47.170 --> 0:35:47.632
No,

0:35:47.652 --> 0:35:49.293
he said he thought it was 28 million

0:35:49.313 --> 0:35:49.992
when he was in school.

0:35:50.074 --> 0:35:50.893
They were like, yeah, it's 28.

0:35:50.974 --> 0:35:51.494
It's 28.

0:35:51.875 --> 0:35:53.836
Hey, don't worry about it.

0:35:53.876 --> 0:35:54.376
It's fine.

0:35:54.556 --> 0:35:54.836
It's 27.

0:35:54.976 --> 0:35:56.117
It's 27 million.

0:35:56.858 --> 0:35:57.920
Hey, so anyway,

0:35:57.980 --> 0:36:00.001
finishing my story about the New York guy,

0:36:00.041 --> 0:36:00.242
right?

0:36:00.681 --> 0:36:01.503
Oh, yeah.

0:36:01.862 --> 0:36:04.364
How are you finding Australia anyway?

0:36:04.385 --> 0:36:05.985
And he's like, it's like, oh,

0:36:06.005 --> 0:36:06.887
it's really good here.

0:36:06.947 --> 0:36:08.128
Like, you know,

0:36:08.588 --> 0:36:09.829
New York's really competitive.

0:36:11.971 --> 0:36:12.512
It's not here.

0:36:12.532 --> 0:36:12.891
Yeah.

0:36:14.519 --> 0:36:14.840
He's like,

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:16.440
if you fuck up in your job in New York,

0:36:16.460 --> 0:36:17.380
there's like 10 people

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:18.400
ready to take your place.

0:36:18.981 --> 0:36:20.402
Big fish, small pond, dude.

0:36:20.442 --> 0:36:21.461
You can fuck up all you want.

0:36:23.782 --> 0:36:25.903
I'm like, okay, you came here for that.

0:36:26.224 --> 0:36:26.483
Cool.

0:36:27.423 --> 0:36:28.264
Big fish, small pond.

0:36:28.284 --> 0:36:32.045
Speaking of Cosmos validators.

0:36:34.525 --> 0:36:35.206
Were you about to say that?

0:36:36.067 --> 0:36:38.927
The net result of that was

0:36:38.987 --> 0:36:40.327
me not wanting to move to New York.

0:36:41.909 --> 0:36:42.909
I'm like, I'll be out of a job.

0:36:45.199 --> 0:36:46.820
that sounds amazing yeah so

0:36:46.981 --> 0:36:48.782
if it's 26 if it's 27

0:36:48.782 --> 0:36:50.342
million in the country I

0:36:50.362 --> 0:36:51.224
would think that sydney

0:36:51.284 --> 0:36:52.505
plus melbourne has to be at

0:36:52.585 --> 0:36:54.347
least half of that right at

0:36:54.387 --> 0:36:58.070
least yeah it's like proper

0:36:58.269 --> 0:36:59.231
like with that whole area

0:36:59.710 --> 0:37:00.492
and then robert's right

0:37:00.512 --> 0:37:01.472
like brisbane is growing

0:37:01.492 --> 0:37:04.014
and then it has to be I

0:37:04.034 --> 0:37:05.777
guess it goes to show how

0:37:06.456 --> 0:37:07.657
sparsely populated the rest

0:37:07.677 --> 0:37:08.278
of the country is

0:37:09.246 --> 0:37:09.365
Yeah.

0:37:09.385 --> 0:37:10.045
I'm surprised all this

0:37:10.085 --> 0:37:10.947
doesn't tip right into the

0:37:11.007 --> 0:37:11.527
ocean that way.

0:37:11.567 --> 0:37:13.327
Just birth just goes up in the air.

0:37:14.188 --> 0:37:14.768
That's how it works.

0:37:15.248 --> 0:37:16.648
That's how continental shelves work.

0:37:17.889 --> 0:37:23.632
Um, so anyway, that concludes the, uh,

0:37:23.853 --> 0:37:26.153
the pub quiz section of the

0:37:26.193 --> 0:37:27.815
show right in.

0:37:27.894 --> 0:37:29.976
If you'd like to pose the panel,

0:37:30.096 --> 0:37:31.856
any future questions on

0:37:32.737 --> 0:37:34.338
relative populations of places,

0:37:34.358 --> 0:37:35.097
and we'll do our best to

0:37:35.137 --> 0:37:36.878
have a guest before looking up and, uh,

0:37:38.896 --> 0:37:40.878
Maybe we can get a guy in from the ABS.

0:37:41.518 --> 0:37:43.900
Make an NFT of the winner or

0:37:43.940 --> 0:37:44.599
something like that.

0:37:44.699 --> 0:37:46.681
The Australian Bureau of Statistics.

0:37:48.501 --> 0:37:48.862
Be like, yeah,

0:37:48.902 --> 0:37:49.902
I'm not doing anything this

0:37:49.983 --> 0:37:50.762
afternoon anyway.

0:37:52.184 --> 0:37:53.945
Why is your Australian

0:37:53.965 --> 0:37:55.186
Bureau of Statistics guy

0:37:55.206 --> 0:37:56.106
got an American accent?

0:37:56.266 --> 0:37:57.947
Yeah, I'm stuck on it.

0:37:59.927 --> 0:38:01.608
The Australian Bureau of Statistics.

0:38:02.250 --> 0:38:03.150
You just said you're stuck on it.

0:38:03.190 --> 0:38:04.231
The last person you were

0:38:04.291 --> 0:38:05.831
talking about was from New York.

0:38:06.052 --> 0:38:08.152
So was that your New York accent as well?

0:38:09.648 --> 0:38:10.489
I don't know, man.

0:38:11.389 --> 0:38:13.990
I'm just living my life over here, dude.

0:38:15.271 --> 0:38:17.873
This is the exact lack of specifics,

0:38:18.514 --> 0:38:19.434
preparation,

0:38:20.115 --> 0:38:22.376
and competitive edge that

0:38:22.396 --> 0:38:23.657
mean you won't get ahead in

0:38:23.697 --> 0:38:25.318
New York is not thinking

0:38:25.358 --> 0:38:26.340
about these details.

0:38:26.739 --> 0:38:27.061
Dude,

0:38:27.481 --> 0:38:29.141
the Australian Bureau of Statistics

0:38:29.161 --> 0:38:30.103
makes me fucking laugh.

0:38:30.722 --> 0:38:31.684
Excuse me,

0:38:31.704 --> 0:38:33.125
how many people are in Australia?

0:38:33.585 --> 0:38:34.286
Fucking lot, mate.

0:38:35.025 --> 0:38:35.206
Okay.

0:38:36.047 --> 0:38:36.788
There's fucking heaps.

0:38:37.807 --> 0:38:38.409
Fucking heaps.

0:38:38.909 --> 0:38:39.789
Couldn't even count them in

0:38:39.829 --> 0:38:40.789
all my fingers and toes.

0:38:41.751 --> 0:38:43.851
How far is it from Brisbane to Melbourne?

0:38:44.393 --> 0:38:44.773
I don't know.

0:38:45.233 --> 0:38:46.054
Fucking long way.

0:38:46.293 --> 0:38:47.534
Fucking long way.

0:38:47.894 --> 0:38:49.135
You better pack a sixer.

0:38:49.635 --> 0:38:51.097
It's at least a fucking day, mate.

0:38:54.260 --> 0:38:55.059
Bring your chili bin.

0:38:55.300 --> 0:38:55.820
How hot is it?

0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:56.440
How hot is it?

0:38:56.721 --> 0:38:58.121
How hot is it in Melbourne in the summer?

0:38:59.483 --> 0:38:59.663
Mate,

0:38:59.702 --> 0:39:01.003
you wouldn't fucking believe how hot

0:39:01.043 --> 0:39:01.244
it is.

0:39:01.284 --> 0:39:01.885
That's how hot it is.

0:39:08.708 --> 0:39:10.590
Oh, dude, we should get that guy on.

0:39:11.010 --> 0:39:12.110
That'd be fucking amazing.

0:39:13.911 --> 0:39:20.512
It's really fucking hot.

0:39:20.773 --> 0:39:21.592
How many people in Perth?

0:39:21.713 --> 0:39:22.112
Never been.

0:39:22.132 --> 0:39:24.373
I don't think it exists.

0:39:24.393 --> 0:39:25.034
Never been out there.

0:39:25.054 --> 0:39:25.835
Survive the pubs.

0:39:36.112 --> 0:39:38.351
All the statistics are just

0:39:38.391 --> 0:39:40.793
taken at the local pub by asking people.

0:39:41.672 --> 0:39:41.873
Mate,

0:39:41.893 --> 0:39:43.072
do you know how many people are in

0:39:43.112 --> 0:39:43.594
this town?

0:39:44.833 --> 0:39:45.014
About 50?

0:39:45.114 --> 0:39:47.173
At least fucking 50, mate.

0:39:51.454 --> 0:39:53.396
He writes it down, has a pint,

0:39:54.036 --> 0:39:54.556
off he goes.

0:39:55.056 --> 0:39:56.135
Dude, that is fucking hilarious.

0:39:57.036 --> 0:40:00.876
Depends on, like, at least 50,

0:40:00.876 --> 0:40:01.677
maybe 25 that I like.

0:40:01.697 --> 0:40:02.177
I don't know.

0:40:02.237 --> 0:40:03.617
It could be 25 next week.

0:40:06.833 --> 0:40:08.994
Oh, man.

0:40:09.835 --> 0:40:11.335
Has anything happened this week?

0:40:11.655 --> 0:40:13.657
The news segment was looking pretty thin.

0:40:16.757 --> 0:40:18.257
There was something happened this week.

0:40:18.277 --> 0:40:19.838
That's what happened this week.

0:40:21.898 --> 0:40:25.940
So Bro and Bros validated

0:40:26.201 --> 0:40:29.541
two tombstones on Juno

0:40:29.621 --> 0:40:31.083
during the upgrade shenanigans.

0:40:34.023 --> 0:40:34.623
Which was that?

0:40:35.889 --> 0:40:36.829
was it during the upgrade or

0:40:36.869 --> 0:40:38.972
was it off upgrade it was

0:40:39.032 --> 0:40:39.753
oh it was during the

0:40:39.773 --> 0:40:40.594
upgrade so we had a small

0:40:40.634 --> 0:40:41.375
halt right is that what it

0:40:41.414 --> 0:40:42.335
was during the upgrade

0:40:42.356 --> 0:40:43.097
because there was a whole

0:40:43.577 --> 0:40:44.737
that was was that this

0:40:44.818 --> 0:40:45.880
monday just gone or was

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:47.360
that last month I don't

0:40:47.380 --> 0:40:48.081
know it's a fucking blur

0:40:50.364 --> 0:40:52.106
Anyway, so Tombstone... Last week.

0:40:52.567 --> 0:40:53.367
Since last episode.

0:40:53.668 --> 0:40:54.668
Since last episode.

0:40:55.250 --> 0:40:56.530
Tombstone on Juno.

0:40:56.590 --> 0:40:56.992
Right, yes.

0:40:57.291 --> 0:40:58.833
So what happened was there

0:40:59.054 --> 0:41:00.916
was first a slightly choppy

0:41:00.996 --> 0:41:02.476
upgrade last Monday.

0:41:02.496 --> 0:41:04.719
And then that broke smart

0:41:04.780 --> 0:41:05.760
contracts on Juno.

0:41:05.780 --> 0:41:06.822
So there was an emergency

0:41:06.902 --> 0:41:10.565
upgrade towards the end of the week.

0:41:11.126 --> 0:41:12.927
And that upgrade stalled.

0:41:13.902 --> 0:41:16.923
Well, to be more specific,

0:41:16.963 --> 0:41:18.105
it wasn't a planned upgrade.

0:41:18.324 --> 0:41:19.706
Well, it was a, hey,

0:41:19.726 --> 0:41:20.686
let's all halt at the

0:41:20.706 --> 0:41:23.068
specific height and swap

0:41:23.128 --> 0:41:24.469
into binary and see what the fuck happens,

0:41:24.509 --> 0:41:24.608
right?

0:41:24.648 --> 0:41:25.530
Which is always the best.

0:41:27.030 --> 0:41:28.452
And a lot of teams did not

0:41:28.492 --> 0:41:31.253
get that notification and

0:41:31.293 --> 0:41:34.715
just signed or app hashed the block.

0:41:35.423 --> 0:41:35.543
Well,

0:41:35.563 --> 0:41:36.643
I think what actually happened there

0:41:36.724 --> 0:41:40.144
was that I think... Well, actually,

0:41:40.166 --> 0:41:40.626
I don't know what they

0:41:40.646 --> 0:41:41.385
happened with theirs.

0:41:41.786 --> 0:41:43.326
That description that they had,

0:41:43.427 --> 0:41:44.766
which we'll put a link in the show notes.

0:41:44.806 --> 0:41:45.547
It's not in our notes,

0:41:45.626 --> 0:41:46.748
but I'll find that because

0:41:47.347 --> 0:41:48.248
it didn't make any sense to me,

0:41:48.307 --> 0:41:48.768
to be honest.

0:41:50.369 --> 0:41:51.748
Like what they said happened

0:41:51.789 --> 0:41:52.849
versus what happened.

0:41:52.869 --> 0:41:54.730
It didn't actually make any

0:41:54.769 --> 0:41:55.150
sense what happened,

0:41:55.170 --> 0:41:55.889
but it sounded like they

0:41:55.929 --> 0:41:56.710
tried to do a snapshot

0:41:56.751 --> 0:41:58.391
restore at some point,

0:41:58.510 --> 0:42:00.612
and then they kept the state file,

0:42:00.652 --> 0:42:01.172
which they were very

0:42:01.391 --> 0:42:02.211
specific around saying that

0:42:02.231 --> 0:42:03.853
they kept the state file, but somehow...

0:42:05.255 --> 0:42:09.157
I guess they didn't copy it back, right?

0:42:09.536 --> 0:42:10.677
It sounds like that's what happened.

0:42:11.257 --> 0:42:13.418
It's 2024, people.

0:42:13.478 --> 0:42:15.139
Get a fucking remote signer.

0:42:17.699 --> 0:42:18.800
If you're running a mainnet

0:42:18.820 --> 0:42:21.702
without a remote signer in 2024,

0:42:21.702 --> 0:42:22.262
you're fucking up.

0:42:23.302 --> 0:42:27.204
I'm willing to make a statement like that,

0:42:27.284 --> 0:42:28.224
but I don't know.

0:42:28.244 --> 0:42:29.123
That's pushing pretty hard.

0:42:29.184 --> 0:42:30.264
I think there's something to

0:42:30.304 --> 0:42:31.284
be said for people that

0:42:31.304 --> 0:42:32.445
aren't using remote signers.

0:42:33.190 --> 0:42:36.413
Like there's a lot of, yeah.

0:42:36.552 --> 0:42:37.172
Horcrux is great.

0:42:37.532 --> 0:42:38.514
TMK mess is great,

0:42:38.873 --> 0:42:39.835
but they're also like such

0:42:39.914 --> 0:42:42.916
dependency on like those two signers.

0:42:42.956 --> 0:42:43.155
Right.

0:42:44.157 --> 0:42:45.597
So some people need to be running,

0:42:46.717 --> 0:42:47.599
not remote signers.

0:42:47.858 --> 0:42:49.480
I like just so that I can

0:42:49.519 --> 0:42:50.440
continue running Horcrux

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:51.641
and we're not all dependent on it,

0:42:51.681 --> 0:42:51.880
you know?

0:42:53.023 --> 0:42:53.525
I mean, I mean,

0:42:53.764 --> 0:42:56.106
Pikachu runs 80 networks or whatever.

0:42:56.126 --> 0:42:57.088
There's no remote signing there.

0:42:57.288 --> 0:42:58.570
I can just run some regular notes, right?

0:42:58.750 --> 0:43:00.652
I, I run, it depends on my run, a mix of,

0:43:00.911 --> 0:43:01.893
of horcrux and not

0:43:01.913 --> 0:43:02.474
depending on what the

0:43:02.514 --> 0:43:03.253
networks are and how many

0:43:03.293 --> 0:43:03.735
nodes I'm running,

0:43:03.795 --> 0:43:05.697
but it depends on what's going on.

0:43:05.916 --> 0:43:06.436
It's also like,

0:43:06.456 --> 0:43:08.619
it's also like in that situation,

0:43:08.659 --> 0:43:09.320
I'm guessing that was

0:43:09.340 --> 0:43:10.320
neither automation fuck up

0:43:10.380 --> 0:43:11.121
or something else because

0:43:11.141 --> 0:43:13.664
there's no re there's really no reason.

0:43:14.853 --> 0:43:15.914
Or even if you,

0:43:16.295 --> 0:43:17.596
and ProPro is actually like,

0:43:17.615 --> 0:43:18.657
they're a good validator, right?

0:43:18.677 --> 0:43:19.358
Like, and there's,

0:43:19.398 --> 0:43:20.278
I have no issue with them.

0:43:20.298 --> 0:43:21.579
They've been in that space

0:43:21.619 --> 0:43:22.280
for a long time.

0:43:22.300 --> 0:43:22.420
Like,

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:23.282
you know what the hell they're doing.

0:43:23.302 --> 0:43:25.503
They have been around for a long time.

0:43:25.603 --> 0:43:26.103
A long time.

0:43:26.143 --> 0:43:26.284
Right.

0:43:26.304 --> 0:43:26.545
And they,

0:43:26.605 --> 0:43:27.786
they provide a shitload of what they,

0:43:27.846 --> 0:43:28.806
they publicize a bunch of

0:43:29.126 --> 0:43:30.449
Grafana dashboards and things like that,

0:43:30.489 --> 0:43:30.949
which is cool.

0:43:31.789 --> 0:43:31.869
Um,

0:43:32.838 --> 0:43:34.280
so I mean this was clearly a

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:35.380
fuck up and it's and like I

0:43:35.420 --> 0:43:36.061
said we've talked about

0:43:36.081 --> 0:43:37.422
this before right it's this

0:43:37.461 --> 0:43:38.682
is an easy thing to fuck up

0:43:38.822 --> 0:43:39.963
even for the experienced

0:43:40.724 --> 0:43:42.364
right and like it'll happen

0:43:42.385 --> 0:43:43.184
to polka at some point

0:43:43.244 --> 0:43:44.045
it'll happen to me at some

0:43:44.085 --> 0:43:44.885
point like it'll just be

0:43:44.945 --> 0:43:45.806
something that happens it's

0:43:45.967 --> 0:43:46.847
something fucked up if

0:43:46.867 --> 0:43:48.327
you're not running it and

0:43:48.407 --> 0:43:49.248
from that perspective yeah

0:43:49.268 --> 0:43:50.469
I should run remote signers

0:43:50.949 --> 0:43:52.130
but also I have 2300 on

0:43:52.490 --> 0:43:53.271
juno what the fuck do I

0:43:53.291 --> 0:43:54.512
care like our whole tvl is

0:43:54.552 --> 0:43:56.112
like our whole tvl is like

0:43:56.994 --> 0:43:58.434
Less than my credit card bill.

0:43:58.635 --> 0:44:00.536
What the fuck does it matter?

0:44:00.856 --> 0:44:01.717
It's still possible to fuck

0:44:01.797 --> 0:44:02.639
up with a remote signer.

0:44:02.659 --> 0:44:04.679
It's just a lot less likely that you will.

0:44:06.081 --> 0:44:06.742
It's difficult.

0:44:07.543 --> 0:44:09.224
It's a lot more difficult

0:44:09.264 --> 0:44:10.105
because there is no key

0:44:10.125 --> 0:44:10.824
match on the node.

0:44:11.306 --> 0:44:14.088
But I think pretending that

0:44:14.288 --> 0:44:15.949
we have all audited every

0:44:15.969 --> 0:44:17.931
single line of code in the remote signers,

0:44:18.170 --> 0:44:21.094
and we can guarantee that in an edge case,

0:44:21.153 --> 0:44:23.635
like a restart, something like that,

0:44:24.900 --> 0:44:27.202
There is absolutely no way

0:44:27.342 --> 0:44:30.942
that two signatures can be received.

0:44:32.222 --> 0:44:35.023
I would say I'm 99% sure that's the case,

0:44:36.384 --> 0:44:38.103
but I like being able to be

0:44:38.143 --> 0:44:38.784
certain as a hundred

0:44:38.804 --> 0:44:39.804
percent would involve

0:44:39.884 --> 0:44:41.164
auditing every line in that code.

0:44:41.204 --> 0:44:41.925
And I haven't done that.

0:44:42.485 --> 0:44:43.804
Um, so right.

0:44:43.905 --> 0:44:44.985
Which is why there were

0:44:45.045 --> 0:44:46.545
double signs using horcrux

0:44:46.766 --> 0:44:47.865
with single signers way

0:44:47.885 --> 0:44:49.826
back when they've supposedly fixed it.

0:44:49.865 --> 0:44:50.146
And I,

0:44:50.266 --> 0:44:51.746
I tested it to make sure that they did.

0:44:51.766 --> 0:44:52.186
Right.

0:44:53.338 --> 0:44:54.539
And I couldn't replicate it anymore.

0:44:55.019 --> 0:44:55.521
But I mean,

0:44:55.621 --> 0:44:56.942
actually that happened on stream,

0:44:56.961 --> 0:44:57.282
didn't it?

0:44:57.621 --> 0:44:58.023
I think it did.

0:44:58.043 --> 0:44:59.324
That happened on, say,

0:44:59.364 --> 0:45:01.164
test on Atlantic 2 with Null.

0:45:01.945 --> 0:45:02.106
Yeah.

0:45:02.166 --> 0:45:02.806
And you, right?

0:45:02.867 --> 0:45:03.226
On stream.

0:45:04.045 --> 0:45:08.309
Sorry, it didn't happen.

0:45:08.668 --> 0:45:09.789
We did it on stream.

0:45:10.309 --> 0:45:10.831
You forced it.

0:45:13.353 --> 0:45:14.313
We forced it on stream.

0:45:14.494 --> 0:45:16.135
But the point is we could do it.

0:45:16.675 --> 0:45:18.577
And to your point, remote signers,

0:45:18.797 --> 0:45:19.317
amazing.

0:45:19.757 --> 0:45:21.438
But there, without a doubt,

0:45:21.518 --> 0:45:23.181
are edge cases where they can go awry.

0:45:23.481 --> 0:45:25.041
And if it happens to be that

0:45:25.081 --> 0:45:25.742
a lot of us are using

0:45:25.782 --> 0:45:26.702
remote signers and it all

0:45:26.744 --> 0:45:27.623
goes awry at the same

0:45:27.704 --> 0:45:30.065
time... For example...

0:45:32.827 --> 0:45:33.407
Vote extensions.

0:45:33.487 --> 0:45:34.588
Those are coming with a lot

0:45:34.628 --> 0:45:35.248
of networks right now.

0:45:35.347 --> 0:45:36.467
Barichain has them.

0:45:37.507 --> 0:45:38.847
And a bunch of other things.

0:45:39.728 --> 0:45:41.228
We don't know how Horcrux

0:45:41.248 --> 0:45:42.748
handles vote extensions right now.

0:45:42.789 --> 0:45:43.068
Right now,

0:45:43.088 --> 0:45:44.369
nobody has double signed with

0:45:44.550 --> 0:45:45.550
the newest release

0:45:45.590 --> 0:45:47.210
candidate that handles vote extensions.

0:45:48.409 --> 0:45:49.891
That doesn't mean they're not there.

0:45:50.771 --> 0:45:51.570
That's what the testnet's for.

0:45:51.610 --> 0:45:52.090
Yeah, exactly.

0:45:52.110 --> 0:45:53.251
Which I'm using it for the testnet.

0:45:53.451 --> 0:45:55.512
But the statement still

0:45:55.532 --> 0:45:57.411
stands that we don't know

0:45:57.431 --> 0:45:58.012
what's going to happen

0:45:58.072 --> 0:45:59.172
whenever the vote

0:45:59.193 --> 0:46:00.492
extensions get more complicated.

0:46:01.307 --> 0:46:02.369
I mean, to the core of it, though,

0:46:02.409 --> 0:46:04.010
I would say... Are you

0:46:04.110 --> 0:46:09.092
using a raft or a single... Raft.

0:46:09.233 --> 0:46:10.094
Raft for Barachain,

0:46:10.293 --> 0:46:12.514
if that's what you're asking.

0:46:12.554 --> 0:46:14.056
Wasn't there... Oh,

0:46:14.096 --> 0:46:15.317
so the same thing happened

0:46:15.356 --> 0:46:18.079
recently on... DYDX have

0:46:18.119 --> 0:46:19.119
gone to 50 as well.

0:46:20.340 --> 0:46:21.460
And so it's the same thing

0:46:21.501 --> 0:46:22.260
on their testnet.

0:46:22.681 --> 0:46:25.023
But... Yeah,

0:46:25.043 --> 0:46:26.483
are you using a raft for Barachain?

0:46:27.043 --> 0:46:28.766
I should... I better get the

0:46:28.806 --> 0:46:30.025
single signer on there and

0:46:30.045 --> 0:46:30.867
just make sure that it's...

0:46:32.065 --> 0:46:33.927
working properly I'm running

0:46:33.947 --> 0:46:36.309
that yeah using multiple

0:46:36.329 --> 0:46:37.431
signers for bear chain but

0:46:37.550 --> 0:46:38.411
for test nets we run them

0:46:38.452 --> 0:46:39.512
locally as opposed to

0:46:39.653 --> 0:46:42.536
remotely um so it's it's

0:46:42.556 --> 0:46:46.922
fine that way um yeah I

0:46:46.961 --> 0:46:49.103
think well I think I'm

0:46:49.123 --> 0:46:51.427
actually signing locally on bear chain

0:46:53.682 --> 0:46:54.643
I'm signing locally and bear chain.

0:46:54.824 --> 0:46:54.983
Yeah.

0:46:55.244 --> 0:46:57.306
We haven't, we haven't actually,

0:46:57.327 --> 0:46:58.447
but I do agree that the

0:46:58.487 --> 0:47:00.429
idea that I do agree that the idea that,

0:47:00.670 --> 0:47:03.253
that, um, like unknowing, like that is,

0:47:03.353 --> 0:47:04.313
it's a huge dependency on a

0:47:04.333 --> 0:47:06.615
third party piece of software that, that,

0:47:07.076 --> 0:47:07.195
um,

0:47:07.416 --> 0:47:08.838
that could have regressions associated

0:47:08.858 --> 0:47:09.438
these types of things.

0:47:09.458 --> 0:47:09.838
Like we had,

0:47:09.878 --> 0:47:11.320
we saw obviously with the single signer,

0:47:11.340 --> 0:47:13.342
uh, within say, right.

0:47:13.362 --> 0:47:14.003
That could come back.

0:47:14.182 --> 0:47:14.364
Right.

0:47:14.403 --> 0:47:15.103
We can have the same issue

0:47:15.143 --> 0:47:16.065
on a raft situation.

0:47:16.105 --> 0:47:17.186
Like shit happens.

0:47:17.967 --> 0:47:20.090
and so it's like I agree

0:47:20.110 --> 0:47:20.951
that there's there's a

0:47:21.010 --> 0:47:22.233
safety catch there but it's

0:47:22.253 --> 0:47:23.434
also a safety catch also

0:47:23.494 --> 0:47:25.737
based off of um hey jack's

0:47:25.797 --> 0:47:28.380
here all right uh it's also

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:29.523
a safety catch based off of

0:47:30.083 --> 0:47:32.827
of just of just human

0:47:32.847 --> 0:47:34.088
development and happens

0:47:34.168 --> 0:47:35.349
right chains move and and

0:47:35.951 --> 0:47:37.532
And Strangelove team has to react to that.

0:47:37.632 --> 0:47:40.213
And things happen where it's

0:47:40.293 --> 0:47:42.835
not just an end-all, be-all safety catch.

0:47:42.996 --> 0:47:43.836
And it has been so far.

0:47:43.856 --> 0:47:44.956
But we've had, like you said before,

0:47:44.996 --> 0:47:47.619
we've had that issue before within the,

0:47:47.659 --> 0:47:48.760
say, single signer type of thing.

0:47:48.820 --> 0:47:51.202
And that was an issue that

0:47:51.222 --> 0:47:51.981
we found out in testnet

0:47:52.382 --> 0:47:54.063
that happened prior to mainnet,

0:47:54.083 --> 0:47:54.523
which was great.

0:47:55.300 --> 0:47:56.641
But you never know.

0:47:57.242 --> 0:48:02.045
So I think from my perspective,

0:48:02.085 --> 0:48:03.306
the whole idea is to get

0:48:03.347 --> 0:48:04.568
rid of the stupid double sign thing.

0:48:05.108 --> 0:48:06.708
It's not doing fucking shit

0:48:08.391 --> 0:48:11.233
other than has it ever had

0:48:11.273 --> 0:48:14.335
an issue of a real concern

0:48:14.556 --> 0:48:17.097
with multiple entities

0:48:17.318 --> 0:48:18.599
impersonating a single entity?

0:48:18.759 --> 0:48:22.202
So the problem is that without it, you...

0:48:24.268 --> 0:48:25.610
Without it, you get honed, right?

0:48:26.150 --> 0:48:28.494
It's basically that there's

0:48:29.295 --> 0:48:30.836
nothing at stake and

0:48:30.876 --> 0:48:32.659
there's actual double spend, right?

0:48:33.579 --> 0:48:35.400
And doesn't the consensus

0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:36.619
mechanism already handle it?

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:38.340
So if the consensus mechanism handles it,

0:48:38.641 --> 0:48:41.360
then why even slash the double signing?

0:48:42.141 --> 0:48:42.422
It doesn't.

0:48:42.442 --> 0:48:43.541
It's the same as what we do

0:48:43.702 --> 0:48:44.422
on other chains where

0:48:44.601 --> 0:48:46.583
there's already another

0:48:46.623 --> 0:48:47.503
node checks with the same

0:48:47.623 --> 0:48:48.483
consensus key or with the

0:48:48.503 --> 0:48:49.403
same signing key.

0:48:49.423 --> 0:48:50.103
It already checks and see if

0:48:50.123 --> 0:48:50.864
there's another node that's

0:48:50.884 --> 0:48:51.704
already signing with that key.

0:48:51.744 --> 0:48:53.704
And that's what we've seen before,

0:48:53.744 --> 0:48:55.045
like Aptos and others.

0:48:55.065 --> 0:48:56.485
I think it's very different

0:48:56.545 --> 0:48:57.786
because it's actually,

0:48:57.905 --> 0:48:59.106
it wears every round, doesn't it?

0:48:59.226 --> 0:49:02.568
And then you assemble based on the rounds.

0:49:03.367 --> 0:49:05.871
And then you finalize a commitment.

0:49:06.231 --> 0:49:07.231
To be honest,

0:49:07.273 --> 0:49:08.873
I would have to reread the

0:49:08.914 --> 0:49:09.956
Tendermint docs on this.

0:49:10.476 --> 0:49:10.655
But

0:49:11.434 --> 0:49:13.675
The reason that some other

0:49:13.735 --> 0:49:15.538
networks don't have this

0:49:15.617 --> 0:49:17.358
problem is because of how

0:49:17.398 --> 0:49:19.541
their computation model

0:49:19.780 --> 0:49:21.722
works for consensus.

0:49:21.762 --> 0:49:24.605
If you don't want to have

0:49:24.846 --> 0:49:26.467
something like a slasher,

0:49:27.507 --> 0:49:29.248
like a hard slash,

0:49:30.871 --> 0:49:32.271
you have to build in a

0:49:32.512 --> 0:49:35.114
safeguard in some other way.

0:49:35.434 --> 0:49:36.675
And Tendermint...

0:49:39.418 --> 0:49:40.778
The SDK does it the way it

0:49:40.838 --> 0:49:42.019
does because Tendermint

0:49:42.059 --> 0:49:43.400
makes very few assumptions

0:49:43.581 --> 0:49:44.481
about the state machine.

0:49:46.943 --> 0:49:50.927
So the way that Tendermint

0:49:51.306 --> 0:49:53.429
works is it's very, very,

0:49:54.188 --> 0:49:56.351
it assumes that all of your state machine,

0:49:58.231 --> 0:49:58.972
which includes your

0:49:58.992 --> 0:50:00.594
invariance and all that sort of stuff,

0:50:00.793 --> 0:50:02.396
is done at the application level.

0:50:02.536 --> 0:50:04.898
And it's just the networking

0:50:04.958 --> 0:50:07.358
stack and consensus and the chain,

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:07.920
essentially.

0:50:09.030 --> 0:50:11.492
um what that means is that

0:50:12.193 --> 0:50:13.594
because there's ostensibly

0:50:13.635 --> 0:50:14.916
a loose coupling although

0:50:14.936 --> 0:50:16.737
abci in its original format

0:50:17.038 --> 0:50:18.438
is is not that loose a

0:50:18.458 --> 0:50:20.360
coupling it's quite tightly

0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:22.181
coupled between the two um

0:50:22.442 --> 0:50:24.724
it necessitates the design

0:50:24.764 --> 0:50:26.905
structure where that is

0:50:26.965 --> 0:50:28.206
prevented maybe not at

0:50:28.266 --> 0:50:29.989
consensus level exactly but

0:50:30.028 --> 0:50:31.389
at the point where you're

0:50:32.402 --> 0:50:33.864
publishing evidence right

0:50:35.083 --> 0:50:37.706
after the fact of a piece

0:50:37.726 --> 0:50:41.987
of Byzantine behavior so my

0:50:42.027 --> 0:50:43.108
understanding for example

0:50:43.208 --> 0:50:44.248
of how because everything

0:50:44.469 --> 0:50:45.590
in something like Aptos is

0:50:45.630 --> 0:50:47.331
done in the move VM right

0:50:47.391 --> 0:50:48.650
which is formally checked

0:50:50.411 --> 0:50:52.152
using like an advanced

0:50:52.713 --> 0:50:53.974
research grade programming

0:50:54.014 --> 0:50:55.235
language and that's how

0:50:55.295 --> 0:50:56.175
they get around the double

0:50:56.195 --> 0:50:57.315
spend problem is because

0:50:57.476 --> 0:50:59.157
it's formally checked that

0:50:59.456 --> 0:51:00.577
there is no double spend so

0:51:01.297 --> 0:51:02.259
So they,

0:51:02.478 --> 0:51:04.260
they don't need to make you double

0:51:04.300 --> 0:51:05.420
sign because they have a

0:51:05.481 --> 0:51:06.882
mathematical guarantee that

0:51:06.902 --> 0:51:08.202
you haven't because there's

0:51:08.242 --> 0:51:09.623
a tight coupling between

0:51:09.643 --> 0:51:10.483
the move VM and the

0:51:10.503 --> 0:51:15.306
consensus implementation is

0:51:15.347 --> 0:51:16.047
doing something about that.

0:51:16.248 --> 0:51:17.228
Could wasn't do the same thing.

0:51:18.548 --> 0:51:20.831
Like, like from a contract perspective,

0:51:20.871 --> 0:51:21.911
is there any way to, I mean,

0:51:22.032 --> 0:51:22.811
I understand what you're saying,

0:51:22.871 --> 0:51:24.072
but is it, is it just,

0:51:24.413 --> 0:51:25.733
is it core plumbing that

0:51:25.753 --> 0:51:27.355
can never be changed or is it just,

0:51:27.795 --> 0:51:28.596
I think you,

0:51:29.574 --> 0:51:31.956
You would need to do something like CWSDK,

0:51:32.336 --> 0:51:32.637
I think,

0:51:33.297 --> 0:51:34.699
because I think the point is that

0:51:34.739 --> 0:51:36.900
the consensus mechanism has

0:51:37.041 --> 0:51:40.384
to have access to the

0:51:40.443 --> 0:51:43.206
transaction very directly,

0:51:43.547 --> 0:51:45.009
and it has to do something

0:51:46.150 --> 0:51:48.552
before consensus is reached.

0:51:49.809 --> 0:51:51.030
So there's an interplay there.

0:51:51.952 --> 0:51:54.532
And I think my understanding, at least,

0:51:54.612 --> 0:51:56.614
of the interplay and block

0:51:56.655 --> 0:51:58.076
finalization with

0:51:58.416 --> 0:52:00.097
Tendermint is it doesn't

0:52:00.137 --> 0:52:01.818
make that assumption for

0:52:01.858 --> 0:52:02.858
good design reasons,

0:52:03.500 --> 0:52:04.880
but it leaves it to the SDK to do.

0:52:04.900 --> 0:52:06.581
And that's why double

0:52:06.601 --> 0:52:08.702
signing is designed the way it is.

0:52:10.385 --> 0:52:11.344
Cool.

0:52:11.666 --> 0:52:14.708
So it is TLDR.

0:52:14.927 --> 0:52:16.148
Yes, it is possible, I think.

0:52:16.329 --> 0:52:17.489
But I think only if you

0:52:17.670 --> 0:52:18.851
redesign that interaction.

0:52:19.608 --> 0:52:20.489
I think Jake is saying the

0:52:20.548 --> 0:52:21.748
same things in the chat is

0:52:21.789 --> 0:52:23.449
possible without the SDK currently.

0:52:24.070 --> 0:52:24.670
Yeah.

0:52:24.771 --> 0:52:26.711
And it's not, to be clear, it's not,

0:52:27.092 --> 0:52:28.994
I think it's not just a wasm thing.

0:52:29.054 --> 0:52:31.235
You could obviously just implement it,

0:52:32.615 --> 0:52:34.677
you know, however you like.

0:52:34.757 --> 0:52:36.918
But I think at least, like I say,

0:52:36.958 --> 0:52:38.539
I think the problem is that

0:52:38.579 --> 0:52:39.679
tendermint has to have

0:52:40.460 --> 0:52:42.922
knowledge of the state

0:52:42.942 --> 0:52:44.503
machine that it currently doesn't,

0:52:45.164 --> 0:52:46.545
or it needs to have some way,

0:52:46.784 --> 0:52:48.306
some like hook to, to,

0:52:49.556 --> 0:52:51.217
know about the to introspect

0:52:51.257 --> 0:52:54.621
that so in the meantime can

0:52:54.661 --> 0:52:55.721
we still continue to make

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:58.202
fun of tombstones yes okay

0:52:58.943 --> 0:53:00.525
cool yeah all right thank

0:53:00.605 --> 0:53:03.686
you the show still exists

0:53:06.650 --> 0:53:07.010
Well, I mean,

0:53:07.050 --> 0:53:08.170
I think it's an interesting problem,

0:53:08.190 --> 0:53:08.490
right?

0:53:08.670 --> 0:53:11.092
Because obviously you need, like,

0:53:11.193 --> 0:53:11.932
the whole of economic

0:53:11.952 --> 0:53:13.393
finality relies on the idea

0:53:13.414 --> 0:53:14.974
that you punish Byzantine behavior,

0:53:15.034 --> 0:53:15.195
right?

0:53:15.614 --> 0:53:18.717
But at the same time, it's never punished.

0:53:19.438 --> 0:53:20.637
Or when it is punished, like,

0:53:20.657 --> 0:53:21.338
there's a lot of evidence

0:53:21.398 --> 0:53:22.739
of it being rolled back, and...

0:53:23.922 --> 0:53:25.603
Well, that's the social aspect,

0:53:25.643 --> 0:53:26.704
not the technical aspect, right?

0:53:26.724 --> 0:53:28.224
You're mixing those two.

0:53:28.945 --> 0:53:30.385
The mechanism isn't functioning.

0:53:31.025 --> 0:53:32.387
It's not really functioning

0:53:32.447 --> 0:53:33.608
as intended by the designers.

0:53:33.648 --> 0:53:34.827
It's like a quite good

0:53:34.867 --> 0:53:36.088
example of a protocol that

0:53:36.469 --> 0:53:37.610
kind of has to exist,

0:53:38.469 --> 0:53:39.951
but is maybe papering over

0:53:39.971 --> 0:53:41.092
something else.

0:53:42.512 --> 0:53:42.672
Well,

0:53:42.733 --> 0:53:45.253
if there was a real Byzantium issue

0:53:45.313 --> 0:53:47.635
where you had this situation,

0:53:47.715 --> 0:53:49.597
these are just operator fuck-ups.

0:53:50.501 --> 0:53:52.585
So I understand the idea of

0:53:52.846 --> 0:53:55.431
the social piece saying... No,

0:53:55.612 --> 0:53:56.253
I'm not saying they're not,

0:53:56.454 --> 0:53:57.175
but they're not like a...

0:53:59.914 --> 0:54:02.077
It's not something that is, uh, it's,

0:54:02.177 --> 0:54:03.438
it's a single entity that's

0:54:03.597 --> 0:54:04.338
fucking something up.

0:54:04.378 --> 0:54:05.478
That's creating this behavior.

0:54:05.498 --> 0:54:05.639
Right.

0:54:05.938 --> 0:54:07.721
And, and so there's a social,

0:54:07.940 --> 0:54:09.342
there's a social aspect of where he goes,

0:54:09.362 --> 0:54:10.181
ah, it's fine.

0:54:10.202 --> 0:54:10.842
They're learning.

0:54:10.902 --> 0:54:11.923
And like, well,

0:54:12.003 --> 0:54:12.804
everybody gets a pat on the

0:54:12.844 --> 0:54:14.284
back and like a good job

0:54:14.324 --> 0:54:14.885
and they're going to try

0:54:14.925 --> 0:54:15.606
better next time.

0:54:15.646 --> 0:54:16.606
And that whole shit happens.

0:54:16.646 --> 0:54:16.766
Right.

0:54:16.786 --> 0:54:19.068
And then either the chain state changes,

0:54:19.188 --> 0:54:19.429
right.

0:54:19.608 --> 0:54:20.650
Or like in this case,

0:54:20.690 --> 0:54:21.731
bro and bro was back on the

0:54:21.771 --> 0:54:22.952
set within like eight minutes.

0:54:24.706 --> 0:54:26.608
They were above us within 12 minutes,

0:54:26.688 --> 0:54:26.827
right?

0:54:26.989 --> 0:54:29.210
And then everybody has a

0:54:29.250 --> 0:54:30.110
social contract to be able

0:54:30.130 --> 0:54:31.331
to refund those because we

0:54:31.371 --> 0:54:32.713
fucked up and blah, blah, blah.

0:54:33.414 --> 0:54:37.896
Versus an actual true

0:54:38.518 --> 0:54:39.998
situation where there is

0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:42.780
something nefarious going

0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:44.603
on with multiple entities.

0:54:46.516 --> 0:54:47.876
which would be different.

0:54:47.996 --> 0:54:49.217
So there's two things here.

0:54:49.257 --> 0:54:51.139
There's an actual attack,

0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:53.161
and then there's Byzantine behavior.

0:54:53.240 --> 0:54:55.643
So Byzantine behavior also

0:54:55.722 --> 0:54:57.784
just simply includes a node being downed.

0:54:58.443 --> 0:54:59.463
Because the Byzantine

0:54:59.523 --> 0:55:00.485
general's problem is that

0:55:00.545 --> 0:55:01.684
you need to get a message

0:55:01.784 --> 0:55:03.445
confirmed and delivered in

0:55:03.465 --> 0:55:04.246
the middle of a battle.

0:55:04.907 --> 0:55:05.947
If you are the general

0:55:05.987 --> 0:55:07.228
tasked with getting that

0:55:07.288 --> 0:55:08.108
message over there.

0:55:08.268 --> 0:55:09.027
Wait, hold on, hold on.

0:55:09.047 --> 0:55:10.048
Let's back up just a little bit.

0:55:10.088 --> 0:55:11.289
Let's go back to Byzantium.

0:55:11.769 --> 0:55:13.849
I want you to explain that one more time.

0:55:13.929 --> 0:55:15.731
I knew that was coming, dude.

0:55:16.190 --> 0:55:17.431
I just needed to know.

0:55:17.512 --> 0:55:18.072
I need to know.

0:55:18.112 --> 0:55:19.273
The Byzantine general's

0:55:19.333 --> 0:55:20.713
question is basically like,

0:55:22.594 --> 0:55:24.114
my crap summary of it would be,

0:55:24.875 --> 0:55:26.956
you have two generals either

0:55:26.976 --> 0:55:27.958
on either side of a hill

0:55:28.318 --> 0:55:30.219
right and you need to

0:55:30.300 --> 0:55:32.402
coordinate an attack and

0:55:32.422 --> 0:55:33.362
you're there's the middle

0:55:33.382 --> 0:55:35.063
of a battle how do you get

0:55:35.083 --> 0:55:35.925
a message from one to the

0:55:35.985 --> 0:55:36.985
other and know that it's

0:55:37.126 --> 0:55:40.429
arrived and how do you know

0:55:40.449 --> 0:55:41.570
that the other general is

0:55:41.610 --> 0:55:45.172
being truthful so what you

0:55:45.213 --> 0:55:47.135
learn that's what it is yeah

0:55:47.833 --> 0:55:51.195
So there's a whole bunch of stuff, right,

0:55:51.255 --> 0:55:51.596
around.

0:55:51.735 --> 0:55:54.958
So the PBFT paper,

0:55:55.139 --> 0:55:56.380
which basically is the

0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:57.780
predecessor to the logic

0:55:58.001 --> 0:56:00.123
that brings forth tendermint and whatnot,

0:56:00.824 --> 0:56:03.425
tells you that, let me get this right,

0:56:03.545 --> 0:56:04.547
otherwise I will fuck it up.

0:56:05.246 --> 0:56:08.730
It's N over three minus one

0:56:09.530 --> 0:56:11.291
is the number of nodes that

0:56:11.331 --> 0:56:13.054
can have a fault, right?

0:56:13.871 --> 0:56:16.074
before bad stuff happens, right?

0:56:16.094 --> 0:56:19.661
That's where you derive the 33.4% from,

0:56:19.802 --> 0:56:19.983
right?

0:56:20.443 --> 0:56:21.306
And then the whatever it is, 2%

0:56:23.307 --> 0:56:25.610
two F plus one faulty is,

0:56:25.710 --> 0:56:26.989
is the other corollary of that.

0:56:28.130 --> 0:56:32.153
Um, so the, the, the key here though,

0:56:32.213 --> 0:56:34.534
is that non delivery, like for a fuck up,

0:56:34.715 --> 0:56:35.815
like just a complete

0:56:36.516 --> 0:56:38.398
innocent error still means

0:56:38.418 --> 0:56:39.579
the message doesn't get delivered.

0:56:39.599 --> 0:56:40.478
The battle gets lost.

0:56:40.579 --> 0:56:40.778
Right.

0:56:41.679 --> 0:56:42.920
In the original analogy.

0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:45.481
So, and in the original paper as well,

0:56:45.603 --> 0:56:46.083
like the,

0:56:46.182 --> 0:56:47.344
the whole point is that full

0:56:47.403 --> 0:56:49.304
asynchrony isn't, um,

0:56:50.599 --> 0:56:52.501
Full asynchrony requires a

0:56:52.681 --> 0:56:54.722
completely different set of assumptions,

0:56:55.282 --> 0:56:57.083
which is why timeout is very,

0:56:57.143 --> 0:57:04.349
very important in a PBFT system,

0:57:04.528 --> 0:57:06.449
of which Tendermint is an implementation,

0:57:06.530 --> 0:57:06.710
right?

0:57:07.331 --> 0:57:10.293
So that's why you have the timeout,

0:57:10.313 --> 0:57:11.333
because at some point you have to say,

0:57:11.373 --> 0:57:12.213
okay, nil vote,

0:57:12.353 --> 0:57:13.635
and we continue to find out

0:57:13.655 --> 0:57:15.295
whether enough nodes have

0:57:15.315 --> 0:57:17.458
the information for us to continue.

0:57:17.958 --> 0:57:18.759
General snap nodes.

0:57:20.382 --> 0:57:21.923
generals nodes whatever the

0:57:21.943 --> 0:57:23.523
point is that that that if

0:57:23.583 --> 0:57:24.643
enough of those nil vote

0:57:25.264 --> 0:57:26.125
then we don't have

0:57:26.164 --> 0:57:28.244
consensus right and so in a

0:57:28.304 --> 0:57:29.945
very real sense like a up

0:57:29.985 --> 0:57:30.985
that takes down your node

0:57:31.945 --> 0:57:33.427
is punished right and and

0:57:33.726 --> 0:57:34.586
yes I have been watching a

0:57:34.606 --> 0:57:36.447
lot of sharp recently so I

0:57:36.688 --> 0:57:38.527
i I the the idea of

0:57:38.568 --> 0:57:40.088
napoleonic era army

0:57:40.128 --> 0:57:41.389
discipline is is definitely

0:57:41.429 --> 0:57:42.228
somewhere in the back of my

0:57:42.248 --> 0:57:43.650
subconscious right but if

0:57:43.690 --> 0:57:45.829
you if you lose the king

0:57:45.929 --> 0:57:47.990
right to quote the first episode of sharp

0:57:50.119 --> 0:57:51.061
The man that loses the

0:57:51.121 --> 0:57:53.342
king's colors also loses

0:57:53.402 --> 0:57:54.704
the king's friendship, right?

0:57:55.686 --> 0:57:56.827
If you lose the message,

0:57:56.847 --> 0:57:59.009
it's still Byzantine behavior.

0:58:00.610 --> 0:58:03.293
And the punishment should fit the crime,

0:58:03.452 --> 0:58:04.614
which is that you have

0:58:04.695 --> 0:58:06.036
failed to participate in the attack.

0:58:06.637 --> 0:58:07.978
All of your lads, all your blokes,

0:58:08.097 --> 0:58:08.559
your lairds,

0:58:09.079 --> 0:58:10.000
they were standing behind

0:58:10.039 --> 0:58:11.362
their hill waiting to attack.

0:58:11.402 --> 0:58:12.242
And you're just going like,

0:58:12.623 --> 0:58:13.423
I'm just waiting for the

0:58:13.503 --> 0:58:14.786
counterparty to tell me to go.

0:58:14.846 --> 0:58:15.847
I've sent them a message,

0:58:16.467 --> 0:58:17.429
but I sent that really

0:58:17.469 --> 0:58:18.990
anemic looking pigeon that

0:58:19.050 --> 0:58:20.032
was looking a bit sickly.

0:58:20.072 --> 0:58:20.972
It was doing little pigeon

0:58:21.032 --> 0:58:22.574
coughs and it was going,

0:58:23.215 --> 0:58:25.117
I don't know if it made it.

0:58:25.858 --> 0:58:26.559
Maybe I should have sent

0:58:26.599 --> 0:58:28.940
this absolute Chad, Chad pigeon.

0:58:28.980 --> 0:58:30.400
That's like full chunk.

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:32.041
It's just like raring to go.

0:58:32.061 --> 0:58:33.641
It's bashing against the side of its cage.

0:58:33.681 --> 0:58:35.782
Just really wants to take a message.

0:58:36.541 --> 0:58:38.422
And I was like, ah, but the other guy,

0:58:38.702 --> 0:58:39.182
the other pigeon,

0:58:39.222 --> 0:58:40.704
I felt like I should give

0:58:40.744 --> 0:58:42.384
that pigeon a shot, you know,

0:58:42.423 --> 0:58:43.264
to redeem itself.

0:58:43.344 --> 0:58:44.204
Cause it was a bit crap the

0:58:44.244 --> 0:58:44.945
last time I used it,

0:58:44.985 --> 0:58:45.905
but actually on balance,

0:58:45.925 --> 0:58:47.565
I should have used the Chad pigeon.

0:58:47.585 --> 0:58:51.067
And this analogy is the Chad

0:58:51.126 --> 0:58:53.248
pigeon Hetzner and the

0:58:53.268 --> 0:58:54.248
other pigeon Contabo.

0:58:57.648 --> 0:58:57.987
I don't know.

0:58:58.007 --> 0:58:58.947
I think the weak pigeon.

0:58:59.487 --> 0:59:00.628
The pigeon with the shittest

0:59:00.668 --> 0:59:07.692
security is definitely HostKey.

0:59:07.751 --> 0:59:09.773
All I know is that if you use HostKey,

0:59:10.112 --> 0:59:13.295
then your messaging is delivered.

0:59:13.355 --> 0:59:13.914
You're fucked.

0:59:14.394 --> 0:59:15.195
You're not going to

0:59:15.295 --> 0:59:17.376
successfully attack the city.

0:59:17.777 --> 0:59:19.737
I'm trying to find it.

0:59:19.797 --> 0:59:21.117
There was a really great

0:59:21.157 --> 0:59:22.179
webpage about the...

0:59:23.594 --> 0:59:26.096
Byzantine generals problem.

0:59:26.135 --> 0:59:27.056
I'm trying to find out if I

0:59:27.096 --> 0:59:28.496
find it between now and the show,

0:59:28.516 --> 0:59:29.115
I'll put it in the notes.

0:59:29.135 --> 0:59:29.896
I'll put a couple of other

0:59:29.916 --> 0:59:30.655
examples in there, but there,

0:59:30.815 --> 0:59:31.677
somebody had like a really

0:59:31.757 --> 0:59:33.197
great example and just like

0:59:33.237 --> 0:59:34.456
discussion around this and this,

0:59:34.476 --> 0:59:36.438
I don't know if these pigeons are not,

0:59:36.458 --> 0:59:36.878
but whatever.

0:59:36.918 --> 0:59:39.077
I would also say that all of

0:59:39.117 --> 0:59:40.557
the relevant numbers, like the,

0:59:40.597 --> 0:59:41.739
the fact that the minimum,

0:59:42.398 --> 0:59:44.259
the minimum nodes is three,

0:59:44.298 --> 0:59:46.000
but in practice, in practical terms,

0:59:46.059 --> 0:59:47.000
it's four, four.

0:59:47.019 --> 0:59:47.679
Right.

0:59:48.119 --> 0:59:51.161
And, and the, the, whatever the hell it is,

0:59:51.221 --> 0:59:52.721
I always try and remember, which is the,

0:59:53.769 --> 0:59:54.811
And over three months,

0:59:55.311 --> 0:59:57.432
that's all on page one, I think,

0:59:57.652 --> 0:59:59.313
of the practical Byzantine

0:59:59.353 --> 1:00:01.514
fault tolerance paper from 1999,

1:00:01.514 --> 1:00:02.235
which is actually quite

1:00:02.275 --> 1:00:03.556
readable for a paper on

1:00:03.637 --> 1:00:04.938
consensus mechanisms.

1:00:05.617 --> 1:00:06.619
Right.

1:00:06.998 --> 1:00:09.920
If you are enough of a nerd, okay, granted,

1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:11.202
I am literally doing a PhD

1:00:11.762 --> 1:00:12.643
on this shit now, so...

1:00:14.050 --> 1:00:15.751
How do you know someone's doing a PhD?

1:00:16.293 --> 1:00:17.293
It's a good fucking paper.

1:00:17.452 --> 1:00:18.074
What can I say?

1:00:18.554 --> 1:00:18.833
Read it.

1:00:19.594 --> 1:00:20.034
I do remember,

1:00:20.054 --> 1:00:21.396
because I think I got

1:00:21.436 --> 1:00:22.376
introduced from a Honey

1:00:22.416 --> 1:00:23.277
Badger version of this,

1:00:23.336 --> 1:00:26.139
which is the Honey Badger, the HBBFT,

1:00:26.179 --> 1:00:27.539
which is also a really great white paper.

1:00:27.559 --> 1:00:28.701
I'll put that in the notes as well.

1:00:30.101 --> 1:00:30.581
And Jack's here on...

1:00:32.278 --> 1:00:33.420
youtube also mentioned the

1:00:33.679 --> 1:00:35.001
uh the wikipedia patient

1:00:35.422 --> 1:00:36.521
wikipedia page for

1:00:36.983 --> 1:00:38.164
byzantine default which

1:00:38.184 --> 1:00:39.003
I'll put in the notes as

1:00:39.043 --> 1:00:40.204
well so that's good stuff

1:00:40.686 --> 1:00:42.726
recently migrated from uh x

1:00:43.188 --> 1:00:47.090
to youtube yeah jack has

1:00:47.110 --> 1:00:48.311
been on the show and like I

1:00:48.351 --> 1:00:49.271
think I can't remember when

1:00:49.311 --> 1:00:50.213
he was on like maybe in the

1:00:50.592 --> 1:00:51.873
20s or 30s he's probably

1:00:51.893 --> 1:00:52.675
surprised that this is

1:00:52.715 --> 1:00:54.036
still going seven episodes

1:00:54.076 --> 1:00:56.478
later maybe I i believe

1:00:56.498 --> 1:00:58.059
he's on like holy this

1:00:58.079 --> 1:00:58.860
thing is still going

1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:01.543
first or second or third he

1:01:01.583 --> 1:01:03.045
was on he was on a few

1:01:03.085 --> 1:01:04.666
times early days for sure

1:01:04.746 --> 1:01:06.509
like five times maybe a

1:01:07.230 --> 1:01:08.911
bunch of times yeah it was

1:01:08.952 --> 1:01:09.974
early yeah jack come he

1:01:10.014 --> 1:01:10.673
said I'd love to come back

1:01:10.713 --> 1:01:11.335
out we'd love to have you

1:01:11.394 --> 1:01:12.916
on dude for sure didn't

1:01:12.956 --> 1:01:14.679
like the cut of our jib fucked off

1:01:15.635 --> 1:01:16.275
No, he's busy.

1:01:16.335 --> 1:01:17.416
He's doing shit that's important.

1:01:17.516 --> 1:01:18.699
We're just fucking around on

1:01:18.739 --> 1:01:19.539
Wednesdays at 2100 UTC.

1:01:19.559 --> 1:01:21.282
Hey, speak for yourself.

1:01:21.961 --> 1:01:24.945
I'm busy at 3am.

1:01:25.025 --> 1:01:26.347
I'm increasing academic

1:01:26.447 --> 1:01:28.050
industry cooperation one

1:01:29.952 --> 1:01:32.614
fucking draft at a time.

1:01:33.215 --> 1:01:33.675
That's right.

1:01:34.556 --> 1:01:35.737
I had to have a conversation.

1:01:36.018 --> 1:01:37.318
I have a deadline in a

1:01:37.358 --> 1:01:38.519
couple of weeks and I'm

1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:39.800
trying to get some stuff done.

1:01:40.581 --> 1:01:42.762
I got asked if I could do

1:01:42.802 --> 1:01:46.184
this thing and I had to be like, yo, no.

1:01:46.324 --> 1:01:47.545
There's a stress net and a

1:01:47.565 --> 1:01:48.407
whole bunch of shit coming up.

1:01:48.467 --> 1:01:49.286
I've got to be 100% in the thing.

1:01:53.630 --> 1:01:55.632
And when you're part-time,

1:01:55.692 --> 1:01:56.572
like this is funny thing.

1:01:56.592 --> 1:01:56.893
Cause like,

1:01:57.273 --> 1:01:58.815
also like I'm quite a bit older

1:01:58.835 --> 1:01:59.556
than a lot of the other

1:01:59.576 --> 1:02:00.496
people doing this stuff.

1:02:01.157 --> 1:02:01.858
And when you just have to

1:02:01.898 --> 1:02:02.998
remind people like, oh yeah,

1:02:03.018 --> 1:02:03.559
I have a job.

1:02:04.260 --> 1:02:04.400
Like,

1:02:04.440 --> 1:02:06.322
I know it sounds like I just like

1:02:06.362 --> 1:02:07.702
shit post on the internet all day,

1:02:07.784 --> 1:02:09.764
but like in between all of that,

1:02:10.246 --> 1:02:11.086
there is sometimes some

1:02:11.166 --> 1:02:12.327
actual like infrastructure

1:02:12.347 --> 1:02:13.628
that needs standing up.

1:02:13.668 --> 1:02:14.650
You also do that.

1:02:14.690 --> 1:02:15.351
Yeah, exactly.

1:02:15.411 --> 1:02:15.570
Yeah.

1:02:15.791 --> 1:02:16.731
Yeah, exactly.

1:02:16.751 --> 1:02:18.213
And you have to be like, oh yeah, no, no,

1:02:18.253 --> 1:02:18.432
no.

1:02:18.452 --> 1:02:19.032
Like, I like,

1:02:19.072 --> 1:02:20.353
like I've got to stand up like four,

1:02:20.373 --> 1:02:21.635
I need to buy and buy and

1:02:21.675 --> 1:02:22.856
stand up like four boxes

1:02:22.896 --> 1:02:23.856
and all this other shit

1:02:24.637 --> 1:02:25.617
needs to get done next week.

1:02:25.717 --> 1:02:26.179
And it's like, oh,

1:02:26.259 --> 1:02:27.159
that sounds like a bit of work.

1:02:27.199 --> 1:02:27.760
And it's like, yeah, that's,

1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:28.780
that's why I can't do this thing.

1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:29.601
You just asked me to do.

1:02:30.240 --> 1:02:30.461
Wow.

1:02:31.081 --> 1:02:33.403
I'm not, you know, whatever, man,

1:02:34.023 --> 1:02:34.985
I'm not talking about blocks.

1:02:35.025 --> 1:02:36.065
I'm making blocks, bitches.

1:02:37.827 --> 1:02:38.367
Exactly.

1:02:38.387 --> 1:02:41.670
Um, if I was Bucky, I would do a,

1:02:42.349 --> 1:02:44.090
a kind of mid rap about it.

1:02:44.632 --> 1:02:44.851
Okay.

1:02:45.199 --> 1:02:46.320
That would be, that would be awesome.

1:02:46.519 --> 1:02:47.119
That's what you should do.

1:02:47.400 --> 1:02:50.503
You should hop up on stage and do like a,

1:02:51.184 --> 1:02:55.427
yeah, just freestyle, you know?

1:02:55.447 --> 1:02:56.967
Okay.

1:02:56.987 --> 1:02:58.068
So I should say, obviously, like,

1:02:58.168 --> 1:02:59.210
I think that Bucky is like,

1:03:00.059 --> 1:03:01.161
from a technical perspective

1:03:01.820 --> 1:03:03.302
like a really really clever

1:03:03.322 --> 1:03:04.021
dude and all that sort of

1:03:04.041 --> 1:03:06.163
stuff but honestly that the

1:03:06.182 --> 1:03:07.483
whole rap thing is so

1:03:07.563 --> 1:03:08.384
succession have you seen

1:03:08.403 --> 1:03:09.123
succession you know the

1:03:09.164 --> 1:03:10.144
first episode where it's

1:03:10.164 --> 1:03:11.505
the guy in a limo doing a

1:03:11.606 --> 1:03:13.085
rap to himself to g himself

1:03:13.166 --> 1:03:15.027
up for an investor meeting

1:03:16.208 --> 1:03:18.048
and it's like it's died dead cringe

1:03:22.356 --> 1:03:25.739
Oh my goodness.

1:03:25.958 --> 1:03:26.900
Before we get off this topic,

1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:28.121
how much did they get slashed anyway?

1:03:28.581 --> 1:03:29.362
Before we leave this,

1:03:29.702 --> 1:03:30.862
anybody know what the number was?

1:03:30.882 --> 1:03:32.204
$200, I don't know.

1:03:35.065 --> 1:03:35.646
I don't know where they were

1:03:35.666 --> 1:03:36.306
in the Juno set.

1:03:36.567 --> 1:03:37.708
Is it in the link?

1:03:37.827 --> 1:03:39.510
I don't know.

1:03:39.550 --> 1:03:44.193
You could find the block and then... Oh,

1:03:44.193 --> 1:03:44.512
25,000 Juno.

1:03:46.815 --> 1:03:48.416
Is that how much was slashed?

1:03:48.856 --> 1:03:49.097
That's like $18.

1:03:49.137 --> 1:03:49.257
Yeah.

1:03:53.288 --> 1:03:53.827
Sorry, Jake.

1:03:54.547 --> 1:03:54.708
It's $0.35.

1:03:55.548 --> 1:03:57.608
It's $8,000.

1:03:57.809 --> 1:03:58.949
Okay, not nothing.

1:03:59.369 --> 1:03:59.829
Not crazy.

1:04:01.789 --> 1:04:02.710
Yeah, it's not as big as that.

1:04:03.070 --> 1:04:04.690
What was the one the other week?

1:04:04.731 --> 1:04:06.690
That was substantially bigger, wasn't it?

1:04:09.112 --> 1:04:09.431
What was it?

1:04:09.452 --> 1:04:10.072
I don't remember that one.

1:04:13.313 --> 1:04:14.293
I feel like we had a double

1:04:14.313 --> 1:04:15.233
sign relatively recently

1:04:15.253 --> 1:04:15.793
that was over 100G.

1:04:15.934 --> 1:04:16.793
Did I not?

1:04:18.126 --> 1:04:18.606
I don't know.

1:04:18.967 --> 1:04:22.469
That was a Pego Slash on Injective.

1:04:22.588 --> 1:04:24.510
That was over $100,000.

1:04:24.550 --> 1:04:26.152
That's Binance.

1:04:26.411 --> 1:04:27.472
On a Pego Slash?

1:04:27.913 --> 1:04:29.853
They got Pego'd by Pego.

1:04:30.155 --> 1:04:32.215
Oh, there was another one.

1:04:32.856 --> 1:04:35.257
There was another brutal one.

1:04:36.679 --> 1:04:37.300
Wait,

1:04:37.480 --> 1:04:38.661
I shouldn't say that because you just

1:04:38.701 --> 1:04:39.621
never know with Pego and we

1:04:39.661 --> 1:04:40.242
could be next.

1:04:40.422 --> 1:04:40.581
Dude,

1:04:40.681 --> 1:04:41.943
fucking Pego Slashes at $100,000 for

1:04:41.963 --> 1:04:42.262
a bullshit...

1:04:45.766 --> 1:04:47.507
oh no it wasn't so bad this

1:04:47.567 --> 1:04:49.467
this one was only 200 200

1:04:49.467 --> 1:04:53.307
inj slash that's still that

1:04:53.347 --> 1:04:56.188
is that still 600 or six

1:04:56.248 --> 1:04:59.369
six grand or something yeah

1:04:59.389 --> 1:05:00.469
about seven thousand

1:05:01.610 --> 1:05:03.130
there's this cosmo slash

1:05:03.170 --> 1:05:03.951
bot I'll put a link to the

1:05:03.971 --> 1:05:05.271
notes I've never seen this

1:05:05.311 --> 1:05:06.152
before I don't even know

1:05:06.172 --> 1:05:07.251
where I how I missed it but

1:05:07.472 --> 1:05:08.552
it's fascinating I'm just

1:05:08.632 --> 1:05:09.512
scrolling back through here

1:05:11.014 --> 1:05:11.494
It's pretty funny.

1:05:11.514 --> 1:05:12.936
There's a shitload of Umi slashes.

1:05:13.036 --> 1:05:15.237
I guess these are all 0.1%.

1:05:15.797 --> 1:05:16.896
These are all pretty small.

1:05:17.478 --> 1:05:18.577
And also on the Evmo side.

1:05:18.717 --> 1:05:21.778
Does that also include Oracle slashes?

1:05:22.079 --> 1:05:23.179
I think these are all... Yeah,

1:05:23.219 --> 1:05:23.880
I think a lot of these are

1:05:23.900 --> 1:05:24.500
Oracle slashes.

1:05:25.260 --> 1:05:26.181
Oracle slashes, man.

1:05:26.201 --> 1:05:30.222
0.1% is either downtime on Juno.

1:05:30.583 --> 1:05:31.682
Brombo obviously is in here.

1:05:31.702 --> 1:05:33.583
I'll put a link to that as

1:05:33.643 --> 1:05:34.304
well in the notes.

1:05:35.204 --> 1:05:36.364
I think the most savage

1:05:36.425 --> 1:05:38.326
slashing in all of the land is...

1:05:40.231 --> 1:05:41.210
No,

1:05:42.711 --> 1:05:44.532
I still haven't fucking refunded people

1:05:44.572 --> 1:05:44.773
yet.

1:05:47.233 --> 1:05:48.914
I can't get the fucking node.

1:05:50.974 --> 1:05:54.697
If anyone has a history node, bring it up.

1:05:56.356 --> 1:05:57.538
The excuses, excuses.

1:05:57.577 --> 1:05:58.277
That's what I'm hearing.

1:05:58.657 --> 1:06:00.458
Surely, surely steak like Mo is the,

1:06:00.719 --> 1:06:02.559
is the, is the apex slash.

1:06:02.719 --> 1:06:02.880
No,

1:06:03.340 --> 1:06:04.481
just because of all the shenanigans

1:06:04.521 --> 1:06:04.981
around it.

1:06:06.237 --> 1:06:06.958
Twice, right?

1:06:07.519 --> 1:06:07.920
Two times?

1:06:08.621 --> 1:06:08.981
Twice.

1:06:09.342 --> 1:06:12.105
Yeah, with one slash, then a pleading,

1:06:12.324 --> 1:06:13.806
then a four-month gap,

1:06:13.885 --> 1:06:15.307
then another slash.

1:06:15.809 --> 1:06:18.130
I feel like the last two, I think.

1:06:18.791 --> 1:06:20.132
Mike Mo kind of got killed

1:06:20.193 --> 1:06:21.554
off by the bear market, right?

1:06:21.655 --> 1:06:22.715
I haven't seen it in a long time.

1:06:23.496 --> 1:06:24.376
i think he got held up by

1:06:24.396 --> 1:06:25.237
the double slash I think

1:06:25.277 --> 1:06:26.898
that was the final shame in

1:06:26.958 --> 1:06:28.798
his that was technical

1:06:28.858 --> 1:06:31.480
competency took took took a

1:06:31.519 --> 1:06:35.081
life yes jack said double

1:06:35.121 --> 1:06:36.483
sign man I think it was

1:06:36.543 --> 1:06:37.742
more was that not I think

1:06:37.782 --> 1:06:39.583
it was even there's all the

1:06:39.784 --> 1:06:41.344
there's all the grade the

1:06:41.505 --> 1:06:42.306
uh what are they called

1:06:42.365 --> 1:06:44.186
white white label institutional grade

1:06:44.806 --> 1:06:48.409
yeah yeah I remember that uh

1:06:48.469 --> 1:06:50.532
block demon uh they did

1:06:50.612 --> 1:06:52.393
like a keynote at gateway

1:06:52.432 --> 1:06:53.755
in prague where they got up

1:06:53.815 --> 1:06:55.295
and were like our balls are

1:06:55.335 --> 1:06:56.476
massive we do all these

1:06:56.516 --> 1:06:57.757
other ecosystems we love

1:06:57.777 --> 1:06:59.518
cosmos and just we're just

1:06:59.559 --> 1:07:00.900
like the biggest balls

1:07:01.876 --> 1:07:03.657
all of y'all are just like fucking cucks.

1:07:03.717 --> 1:07:04.418
We're amazing.

1:07:04.438 --> 1:07:05.539
And then they double sign like,

1:07:05.860 --> 1:07:12.465
it's also like big balls now.

1:07:12.485 --> 1:07:15.387
Hey, too funny.

1:07:16.088 --> 1:07:16.588
Jimmy,

1:07:16.608 --> 1:07:18.590
we're a room full of Jimmy's bulls

1:07:18.690 --> 1:07:20.871
is let's, let's, let's admit it.

1:07:21.873 --> 1:07:23.494
At most was still like $3

1:07:23.494 --> 1:07:24.775
each at that point, wasn't it too?

1:07:24.855 --> 1:07:26.235
So it was like a huge slash amount.

1:07:26.255 --> 1:07:26.936
It was a big number.

1:07:26.956 --> 1:07:27.157
Yeah.

1:07:28.197 --> 1:07:29.237
It was not a small number.

1:07:29.617 --> 1:07:32.018
Those are all 10% at that

1:07:32.079 --> 1:07:32.938
point on that network?

1:07:32.958 --> 1:07:34.179
Oh, you might be right,

1:07:34.199 --> 1:07:35.880
because downtime slashing at most,

1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:36.581
I think, is 1%.

1:07:36.581 --> 1:07:37.380
So I think it is 10%.

1:07:37.902 --> 1:07:40.061
Yeah, it was a big one.

1:07:41.402 --> 1:07:42.103
I mean,

1:07:42.103 --> 1:07:43.403
99% of these slashings on here are

1:07:44.043 --> 1:07:47.846
all Pego slash Oracle type of thing.

1:07:50.726 --> 1:07:51.567
They're all like 0.1%.

1:07:52.168 --> 1:07:53.188
They're all really small numbers,

1:07:53.268 --> 1:07:54.688
but some of these numbers...

1:07:54.688 --> 1:07:57.545
4600 umi I'm not sure how

1:07:57.565 --> 1:07:58.525
much that is but like at

1:07:58.606 --> 1:07:59.367
least some of these numbers

1:07:59.387 --> 1:08:02.309
are a little bit larger um

1:08:02.309 --> 1:08:03.489
4600 umi is like three

1:08:03.509 --> 1:08:04.710
dollars three okay all

1:08:04.869 --> 1:08:06.451
right never mind I don't

1:08:06.471 --> 1:08:07.612
watch umi I have no idea I

1:08:07.911 --> 1:08:09.373
have no idea rama says like

1:08:09.452 --> 1:08:11.353
mo is is actually back but

1:08:11.474 --> 1:08:12.954
but has no engagement so

1:08:12.974 --> 1:08:15.175
nobody's aware so what

1:08:15.215 --> 1:08:16.136
happens when you abandon

1:08:16.157 --> 1:08:17.016
your twitter account for

1:08:17.037 --> 1:08:19.538
eight eight months yep

1:08:20.981 --> 1:08:22.744
Speaking of old situations

1:08:22.765 --> 1:08:26.810
coming back to light, the Oni boost drop.

1:08:29.394 --> 1:08:30.074
Are you guys part of that?

1:08:32.037 --> 1:08:34.100
What?

1:08:34.702 --> 1:08:35.122
Fuck off.

1:08:37.118 --> 1:08:38.399
now that, now that prices are coming back,

1:08:38.418 --> 1:08:39.078
we're starting to see like

1:08:39.179 --> 1:08:39.960
old shit coming back.

1:08:40.039 --> 1:08:40.880
And one of those is like,

1:08:41.600 --> 1:08:42.600
like finding ways to,

1:08:42.880 --> 1:08:44.761
to get around a minimum

1:08:44.940 --> 1:08:45.881
commission amounts and just

1:08:45.921 --> 1:08:46.921
doing some ways to get back

1:08:46.940 --> 1:08:48.440
to delegators and all that kind of shit.

1:08:49.100 --> 1:08:49.320
Yeah.

1:08:49.381 --> 1:08:51.681
So yeah, I, I, those things are fun.

1:08:52.242 --> 1:08:53.322
It's all, you know,

1:08:53.341 --> 1:08:55.023
we're back in the bear baby when, when,

1:08:55.182 --> 1:08:57.682
uh, we start seeing, uh, commission re,

1:08:58.203 --> 1:08:58.302
uh,

1:08:59.042 --> 1:09:00.444
reimbursements for some reason or

1:09:00.484 --> 1:09:00.684
another.

1:09:02.083 --> 1:09:02.224
It's,

1:09:02.823 --> 1:09:04.885
I don't like to people not realize

1:09:04.925 --> 1:09:05.864
they're being farmed.

1:09:06.244 --> 1:09:06.444
Like,

1:09:07.280 --> 1:09:07.640
There's a,

1:09:07.841 --> 1:09:10.063
so the prism zone as well on injective,

1:09:10.922 --> 1:09:12.524
like it's another one where

1:09:12.543 --> 1:09:15.765
they're farming fucking, you know,

1:09:15.786 --> 1:09:17.587
if your project is any good,

1:09:17.627 --> 1:09:18.967
you do not need to farm

1:09:19.127 --> 1:09:21.208
fucking delegations on a validator.

1:09:21.288 --> 1:09:22.810
Like, Oh yeah.

1:09:22.829 --> 1:09:22.909
Yeah.

1:09:23.711 --> 1:09:24.331
The one thing I like about

1:09:24.511 --> 1:09:25.692
before we were only the one,

1:09:25.712 --> 1:09:26.693
the one thing I love about

1:09:26.712 --> 1:09:27.712
bootstrap is they put the,

1:09:28.134 --> 1:09:29.755
the registered trademark symbol on it.

1:09:29.814 --> 1:09:32.015
Like they fucking own it.

1:09:32.036 --> 1:09:32.155
Yeah.

1:09:34.520 --> 1:09:35.740
Let me check the U.S.

1:09:35.780 --> 1:09:36.862
Patent Office to see if

1:09:36.942 --> 1:09:38.342
Boost dropped by ONI is

1:09:38.403 --> 1:09:40.163
fucking registered trademark.

1:09:40.184 --> 1:09:41.645
Otherwise, I'm taking that shit over.

1:09:41.664 --> 1:09:43.365
The joke would be funny if

1:09:43.685 --> 1:09:46.889
it is actually registered by them.

1:09:47.849 --> 1:09:48.069
Actually,

1:09:48.088 --> 1:09:50.490
what I should do is I should go

1:09:50.690 --> 1:09:51.872
register that trademark and

1:09:51.891 --> 1:09:52.813
then fucking sue them.

1:09:55.213 --> 1:09:56.175
That's what I should do.

1:09:56.194 --> 1:09:57.296
You heard it here first.

1:09:57.336 --> 1:09:58.435
It nodes the podcast.

1:10:03.171 --> 1:10:05.171
We've gone from being

1:10:05.252 --> 1:10:10.592
wind-up artists to being full-on trolls.

1:10:10.613 --> 1:10:12.213
Register it.

1:10:12.694 --> 1:10:13.594
Buy the domain.

1:10:14.253 --> 1:10:15.675
Trademark register trolls.

1:10:16.295 --> 1:10:16.875
Do you know, actually,

1:10:16.895 --> 1:10:19.235
I should be using my JSTOR

1:10:19.275 --> 1:10:21.716
account now to have access

1:10:21.737 --> 1:10:22.917
to every paper in the world

1:10:23.016 --> 1:10:24.658
and just go through every...

1:10:27.238 --> 1:10:27.979
scientific,

1:10:29.359 --> 1:10:31.060
there's a bunch of journals

1:10:31.081 --> 1:10:31.661
that are like on

1:10:31.701 --> 1:10:33.282
distributed computing or

1:10:33.921 --> 1:10:34.863
consensus computing and stuff.

1:10:35.203 --> 1:10:35.983
I should just be flicking

1:10:36.002 --> 1:10:37.644
through each new issue and

1:10:37.684 --> 1:10:39.125
just trademarking a bunch of terms.

1:10:39.744 --> 1:10:40.845
Just be like, yeah,

1:10:40.944 --> 1:10:42.046
that one and that one and

1:10:42.065 --> 1:10:42.845
that one and that one.

1:10:42.886 --> 1:10:43.606
And if any of the vendors

1:10:43.627 --> 1:10:44.527
are going to use in the future,

1:10:44.546 --> 1:10:46.627
just be like, actually,

1:10:48.009 --> 1:10:49.069
we do own that trademark.

1:10:49.349 --> 1:10:49.569
What?

1:10:50.090 --> 1:10:50.270
Yeah,

1:10:50.289 --> 1:10:51.770
I trademarked it five minutes after

1:10:51.789 --> 1:10:52.671
your paper was published.

1:10:52.711 --> 1:10:53.091
I'm sorry.

1:10:57.382 --> 1:10:58.823
What's the line from Django

1:10:58.842 --> 1:11:00.823
Unchained where Christoph Waltz?

1:11:02.863 --> 1:11:04.104
I could not help myself.

1:11:04.123 --> 1:11:05.125
I'm sorry.

1:11:05.145 --> 1:11:05.965
I could not help myself.

1:11:06.265 --> 1:11:08.324
I just watched it last night.

1:11:08.364 --> 1:11:09.465
Just before it all kicks off.

1:11:10.104 --> 1:11:11.086
Romer says, bull, not bear.

1:11:11.126 --> 1:11:12.565
Got to change that mindset.

1:11:12.605 --> 1:11:13.605
Yeah, exactly.

1:11:13.626 --> 1:11:15.546
I think I said bear four times.

1:11:17.766 --> 1:11:18.447
The bull.

1:11:18.487 --> 1:11:20.266
Boost drop is not registered

1:11:20.627 --> 1:11:21.728
IP in Australia.

1:11:22.347 --> 1:11:22.648
It's not?

1:11:23.387 --> 1:11:24.269
I'm going to check the US

1:11:24.288 --> 1:11:25.050
patent office or the

1:11:25.149 --> 1:11:26.770
registration office after this.

1:11:27.451 --> 1:11:29.252
We did a couple of names before.

1:11:29.813 --> 1:11:30.493
I've done like three or four

1:11:30.514 --> 1:11:31.054
names in my past.

1:11:31.073 --> 1:11:32.135
I think it's like a couple of grand.

1:11:32.154 --> 1:11:33.315
That actually would be worth it.

1:11:35.297 --> 1:11:37.158
We could set a legal precedent, right?

1:11:37.259 --> 1:11:38.640
By registering it to the DAO.

1:11:38.659 --> 1:11:42.563
And then I'll get another paper out of it,

1:11:42.583 --> 1:11:42.963
you sir.

1:11:42.984 --> 1:11:43.724
It'd be great.

1:11:44.145 --> 1:11:44.984
We could go right in front

1:11:45.005 --> 1:11:46.225
of the Supreme Court in the US.

1:11:46.987 --> 1:11:48.167
Yeah.

1:11:48.207 --> 1:11:49.448
What I love about the boost

1:11:49.469 --> 1:11:51.831
drop is that it goes active and inactive.

1:11:54.493 --> 1:11:56.255
yeah so like you know it's

1:11:56.314 --> 1:11:58.436
only the boost like you

1:11:58.457 --> 1:11:59.717
know you can turn it on and

1:11:59.738 --> 1:12:01.319
off it's only it's only

1:12:01.399 --> 1:12:02.099
active when it's in the

1:12:02.139 --> 1:12:03.239
moniker as soon as it's

1:12:03.260 --> 1:12:05.561
gone no more bootstrap oh

1:12:05.582 --> 1:12:11.605
yeah yeah so another the

1:12:11.645 --> 1:12:12.867
re-delegation period is

1:12:12.907 --> 1:12:15.528
what 30 days yeah just

1:12:15.587 --> 1:12:17.109
enough to make enough I cut

1:12:17.130 --> 1:12:17.710
you off before you were

1:12:17.729 --> 1:12:18.470
talking about prism isn't

1:12:18.489 --> 1:12:19.930
there aren't they is that a

1:12:19.990 --> 1:12:20.971
validator that's launching

1:12:21.011 --> 1:12:22.073
a chain is that what they're doing

1:12:23.037 --> 1:12:24.720
It's a chain that's launching a validator.

1:12:24.740 --> 1:12:25.783
Yeah,

1:12:25.804 --> 1:12:28.007
they're an old... That's how you know

1:12:28.028 --> 1:12:28.748
it's a good chain.

1:12:28.849 --> 1:12:30.091
Terror project, right?

1:12:30.613 --> 1:12:31.875
And they've just been like...

1:12:33.345 --> 1:12:35.226
cruising around for the last

1:12:35.306 --> 1:12:36.828
few years just like

1:12:36.927 --> 1:12:39.409
promising airdrops doing

1:12:39.489 --> 1:12:41.372
snapshots promising

1:12:41.492 --> 1:12:43.434
airdrops they've renamed

1:12:43.514 --> 1:12:45.494
now to prism zone and

1:12:45.796 --> 1:12:48.137
trying to uh take advantage

1:12:48.158 --> 1:12:49.599
of their followers list on

1:12:50.300 --> 1:12:52.520
on x to farm some

1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:55.884
delegations on injective so

1:12:55.904 --> 1:12:58.966
I mentioned as well I mentioned as well

1:12:59.881 --> 1:13:00.582
Oh,

1:13:01.224 --> 1:13:03.546
and I mentioned $117,000 on X. So this

1:13:03.586 --> 1:13:04.346
was a chain.

1:13:05.608 --> 1:13:05.847
Was it?

1:13:05.887 --> 1:13:06.649
Was it a Cosmos chain?

1:13:08.650 --> 1:13:09.391
It's not anything.

1:13:09.712 --> 1:13:11.554
It's just a website, right?

1:13:12.274 --> 1:13:13.676
It's a testnet, I believe.

1:13:13.716 --> 1:13:14.157
Let me check.

1:13:14.337 --> 1:13:15.037
Oh, my bad.

1:13:15.118 --> 1:13:15.217
Okay.

1:13:15.238 --> 1:13:16.139
They're in testnet right now.

1:13:16.698 --> 1:13:16.939
I see.

1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:17.239
Okay.

1:13:17.439 --> 1:13:20.122
So this is a potential.

1:13:21.314 --> 1:13:22.194
A perspective, yeah.

1:13:22.434 --> 1:13:24.074
A perspective chain that

1:13:24.234 --> 1:13:25.935
then we put validators up everywhere.

1:13:26.055 --> 1:13:26.855
You stake with us.

1:13:26.916 --> 1:13:28.556
We hear a bunch of shit.

1:13:28.676 --> 1:13:29.296
And then we give you an

1:13:29.356 --> 1:13:30.476
airdrop for this mysterious

1:13:30.537 --> 1:13:31.256
chain that's eventually

1:13:31.277 --> 1:13:32.278
going to launch at some point.

1:13:32.358 --> 1:13:33.478
I thought this was called Putmos.

1:13:33.537 --> 1:13:34.378
Wasn't this what this was

1:13:34.418 --> 1:13:35.139
called in the past?

1:13:38.000 --> 1:13:42.341
It's recycling the Putmos white paper.

1:13:43.100 --> 1:13:44.061
That's exactly what this is.

1:13:44.813 --> 1:13:45.613
Man, Pupmose.

1:13:45.634 --> 1:13:46.314
Do you remember that?

1:13:46.613 --> 1:13:50.896
This is like the same shit over and over.

1:13:50.997 --> 1:13:52.738
Panther went straight to the

1:13:52.798 --> 1:13:54.219
top of the injective

1:13:56.360 --> 1:13:59.462
validators by promising their airdrop.

1:14:00.104 --> 1:14:00.484
Oh, really?

1:14:00.503 --> 1:14:03.466
We're right back.

1:14:03.586 --> 1:14:04.606
This is all good stuff.

1:14:04.646 --> 1:14:06.488
This is why I hate Cosmos.

1:14:07.167 --> 1:14:09.770
PFC has airdrop in their name now.

1:14:10.871 --> 1:14:11.610
Oh, yeah, they do.

1:14:11.671 --> 1:14:12.192
I saw that.

1:14:13.354 --> 1:14:15.096
Oni has boost drop after

1:14:15.197 --> 1:14:17.680
narrowly avoiding the fucking lava.

1:14:17.701 --> 1:14:20.225
On what chain?

1:14:22.582 --> 1:14:23.323
On Injective.

1:14:23.923 --> 1:14:27.287
I think they tried it out on Dimension.

1:14:27.726 --> 1:14:29.608
They got boosted out of Dimension.

1:14:30.208 --> 1:14:32.090
Almost got to stay in the active set.

1:14:32.711 --> 1:14:33.730
It didn't quite work and

1:14:33.770 --> 1:14:35.932
then launched it on all of their chains.

1:14:36.873 --> 1:14:37.073
Wow,

1:14:37.154 --> 1:14:38.875
PFC rocketed up the set by adding

1:14:39.114 --> 1:14:40.275
airdrop to their moniker.

1:14:41.096 --> 1:14:41.277
No,

1:14:41.317 --> 1:14:45.939
I think that wasn't because of the

1:14:45.980 --> 1:14:46.621
airdrop.

1:14:46.701 --> 1:14:51.024
There was a whale that delegated,

1:14:51.043 --> 1:14:51.744
so I think they know them.

1:14:53.015 --> 1:14:54.115
There was two big

1:14:54.136 --> 1:14:56.155
delegations came from the

1:14:56.195 --> 1:14:58.438
same wallet or two wallets.

1:14:59.457 --> 1:15:00.457
I don't know if I'm

1:15:00.939 --> 1:15:02.139
heartened or disheartened

1:15:02.479 --> 1:15:04.520
that all the same 2021 bullshit

1:15:06.229 --> 1:15:07.029
is now coming back.

1:15:07.069 --> 1:15:08.530
These are all the same tactics, right?

1:15:08.911 --> 1:15:09.771
It's all the same shit.

1:15:10.112 --> 1:15:09.771
100%.

1:15:10.131 --> 1:15:10.972
There's nothing new here.

1:15:11.033 --> 1:15:12.514
Do you know what's really annoying?

1:15:12.613 --> 1:15:14.895
All these people fuck off.

1:15:15.735 --> 1:15:17.377
When the market goes bad,

1:15:17.618 --> 1:15:18.998
all of these people fuck off.

1:15:19.019 --> 1:15:21.180
They stay here and work hard

1:15:21.240 --> 1:15:22.582
for the entire fucking bear

1:15:22.601 --> 1:15:23.521
market while they're off

1:15:23.903 --> 1:15:24.622
beating their dick.

1:15:25.444 --> 1:15:27.845
No, that's not fair.

1:15:28.065 --> 1:15:29.306
PFC has been around the entire time.

1:15:29.386 --> 1:15:31.368
PFC has been around.

1:15:31.988 --> 1:15:32.208
Sorry,

1:15:32.229 --> 1:15:34.171
I'm not really lumping PFC into this,

1:15:34.251 --> 1:15:34.751
to be fair.

1:15:35.070 --> 1:15:35.891
They're not like...

1:15:38.545 --> 1:15:39.685
I think his situation is a

1:15:39.704 --> 1:15:40.305
little bit different,

1:15:40.666 --> 1:15:42.067
but the other ones who have

1:15:42.146 --> 1:15:43.108
big Twitter followings that

1:15:43.127 --> 1:15:45.529
are just farming fucking delegators.

1:15:45.829 --> 1:15:46.029
Yeah.

1:15:46.090 --> 1:15:46.310
Yeah.

1:15:46.511 --> 1:15:46.690
Yeah.

1:15:47.150 --> 1:15:49.472
You know, when you saw it in 20,

1:15:49.472 --> 1:15:50.273
they all fucked off.

1:15:50.354 --> 1:15:51.394
They, you know,

1:15:51.413 --> 1:15:54.856
even a lot of them just like,

1:15:56.560 --> 1:15:56.761
Yeah.

1:15:57.081 --> 1:15:57.341
Yeah.

1:15:57.362 --> 1:15:59.242
Anyway,

1:15:59.542 --> 1:16:00.722
this is why I stopped sleuthing

1:16:00.882 --> 1:16:01.604
amongst other reasons.

1:16:01.684 --> 1:16:02.764
It's literally useless and a

1:16:02.783 --> 1:16:03.184
waste of time.

1:16:03.243 --> 1:16:04.744
It's not useless and a waste of time.

1:16:04.925 --> 1:16:06.326
It's just probably too much

1:16:06.386 --> 1:16:07.445
because there's so many

1:16:07.506 --> 1:16:09.766
fucking opportunities to do so that it's,

1:16:10.067 --> 1:16:10.948
it takes too much time to

1:16:10.988 --> 1:16:11.608
call them all out.

1:16:11.807 --> 1:16:12.868
It's really, I think what that is.

1:16:13.168 --> 1:16:14.729
So that's actually, there is one such.

1:16:14.850 --> 1:16:17.810
So Rama, if you find your local university,

1:16:17.911 --> 1:16:19.671
go to the economics department and,

1:16:20.681 --> 1:16:23.104
to them a phd they're

1:16:23.125 --> 1:16:24.145
they're in the next office

1:16:24.206 --> 1:16:25.367
next to the australian uh

1:16:26.608 --> 1:16:30.792
the abs metrics they'll

1:16:30.832 --> 1:16:32.274
just tag it out right and

1:16:32.314 --> 1:16:33.574
then you you sleuth for a

1:16:33.614 --> 1:16:34.896
few years and then just

1:16:34.976 --> 1:16:36.097
write it up formally and

1:16:36.118 --> 1:16:37.399
then you get to become dr

1:16:37.418 --> 1:16:38.479
rama I'm pretty sure that's

1:16:38.500 --> 1:16:40.162
how it works um

1:16:41.796 --> 1:16:45.502
I seem to be doing like... Yeah, exactly.

1:16:45.622 --> 1:16:47.423
My current process is just

1:16:47.503 --> 1:16:49.626
like trying to prove a

1:16:49.685 --> 1:16:50.747
bunch of stuff that I know

1:16:50.807 --> 1:16:52.529
to be 100% true,

1:16:53.690 --> 1:16:54.391
but it's actually like

1:16:54.431 --> 1:16:56.054
really hard to prove because...

1:16:56.837 --> 1:16:58.279
everything we ever do in

1:16:58.319 --> 1:17:00.739
this stupid crazy space is

1:17:00.800 --> 1:17:01.520
done on like

1:17:01.619 --> 1:17:03.041
self-destructing messages on

1:17:03.100 --> 1:17:05.502
telegram groups and all

1:17:05.542 --> 1:17:06.922
this kind of bollocks where

1:17:06.943 --> 1:17:08.963
it's like and like like I

1:17:09.003 --> 1:17:09.703
got asked the question of

1:17:09.724 --> 1:17:10.585
that what but how do you

1:17:10.625 --> 1:17:11.645
know that and I was like oh

1:17:11.685 --> 1:17:12.605
yeah because everybody

1:17:12.645 --> 1:17:13.666
knows you go to this place

1:17:13.865 --> 1:17:14.907
and there they were like no

1:17:14.926 --> 1:17:15.747
but how do you know that

1:17:15.766 --> 1:17:17.368
and I was like well I guess

1:17:17.387 --> 1:17:18.448
somebody told me and

1:17:18.467 --> 1:17:19.269
they're like yeah but how

1:17:19.349 --> 1:17:21.050
did you find that out from

1:17:21.289 --> 1:17:22.029
how did you meet that

1:17:22.090 --> 1:17:22.789
person I was like oh I

1:17:22.810 --> 1:17:23.770
guess somebody else on some

1:17:23.810 --> 1:17:26.032
other thread told me that they would know

1:17:27.295 --> 1:17:28.576
And they were like, well,

1:17:28.595 --> 1:17:30.417
but how does anybody know anything then?

1:17:30.497 --> 1:17:30.938
And I was like,

1:17:31.018 --> 1:17:32.619
welcome to decentralization.

1:17:32.680 --> 1:17:34.360
It's just weird.

1:17:35.601 --> 1:17:38.484
Lots of small centralization,

1:17:38.604 --> 1:17:41.686
but also kind of oddly anarchic.

1:17:41.806 --> 1:17:42.608
And they were like, okay,

1:17:42.667 --> 1:17:43.828
but could you provide links

1:17:43.849 --> 1:17:44.470
to any of those things?

1:17:44.489 --> 1:17:45.551
I was like, no, they're all private.

1:17:46.331 --> 1:17:46.872
And they were like, wait,

1:17:46.891 --> 1:17:47.591
so you can't actually prove

1:17:47.632 --> 1:17:48.033
your argument.

1:17:48.052 --> 1:17:49.394
I was like, no, I can't.

1:17:50.414 --> 1:17:51.256
But I, but I know,

1:17:51.275 --> 1:17:53.037
I know with factual certainty,

1:17:53.056 --> 1:17:54.998
what I've just said is defensively true.

1:17:58.618 --> 1:18:01.300
and Robert's right he's like

1:18:01.359 --> 1:18:02.480
he said there's zero

1:18:02.780 --> 1:18:03.680
there's also zero

1:18:03.761 --> 1:18:05.202
consequence for any of it

1:18:05.921 --> 1:18:06.823
which is true because you

1:18:06.842 --> 1:18:07.802
can't get enough visibility

1:18:07.842 --> 1:18:08.844
to actually call something

1:18:08.923 --> 1:18:10.144
out or put something into

1:18:10.163 --> 1:18:11.024
place they just come back

1:18:11.064 --> 1:18:12.725
with another form or

1:18:12.765 --> 1:18:13.725
whatever I assume that's

1:18:13.746 --> 1:18:15.126
what W is these kids these

1:18:15.167 --> 1:18:16.886
days it's pointless to

1:18:16.947 --> 1:18:17.627
rather spend my time on

1:18:17.868 --> 1:18:18.828
more positive things I mean

1:18:18.948 --> 1:18:21.748
that I would understand how

1:18:21.869 --> 1:18:25.291
being some sort of of being the the

1:18:27.871 --> 1:18:29.372
a not a police officer it's

1:18:29.391 --> 1:18:30.351
not the right term but just

1:18:30.372 --> 1:18:31.292
some sort of somebody who's

1:18:31.353 --> 1:18:32.412
watching over the cosmos

1:18:32.453 --> 1:18:34.014
ecosystem and being able to

1:18:34.054 --> 1:18:35.595
call out over and over on

1:18:35.654 --> 1:18:36.815
medium after medium gets

1:18:37.076 --> 1:18:38.716
fucking exhausting the city

1:18:38.796 --> 1:18:39.957
needs fucking exhausting

1:18:40.016 --> 1:18:42.057
right yeah and and there's

1:18:42.118 --> 1:18:43.179
really and I agree that

1:18:43.198 --> 1:18:43.698
they come back with a

1:18:43.719 --> 1:18:44.439
different thing and it's

1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:45.739
this and that and at some

1:18:45.760 --> 1:18:46.520
point people don't give a

1:18:46.539 --> 1:18:47.400
shit because they're not in

1:18:47.440 --> 1:18:48.261
it for the future they're

1:18:48.280 --> 1:18:49.862
in it for the now and the

1:18:49.962 --> 1:18:51.582
now means how many fucking

1:18:51.603 --> 1:18:52.502
things monikers have the

1:18:52.543 --> 1:18:53.304
word airdrop in it

1:18:54.493 --> 1:18:55.753
And in which case I should

1:18:55.774 --> 1:18:57.395
go add airdrop to all of our monikers.

1:18:57.435 --> 1:18:58.375
I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

1:18:58.395 --> 1:19:01.796
Why am I... It's kind of the same.

1:19:02.275 --> 1:19:04.216
The analogy here is if you

1:19:04.277 --> 1:19:05.997
take a lot of the way all

1:19:06.016 --> 1:19:06.698
of this stuff actually

1:19:06.717 --> 1:19:07.997
thrashes out in practice on

1:19:08.018 --> 1:19:09.778
proof of state chains is

1:19:09.837 --> 1:19:11.359
that you see an analog to

1:19:11.679 --> 1:19:13.078
our modern political moment.

1:19:14.279 --> 1:19:17.220
The central problem of late

1:19:17.501 --> 1:19:19.720
neoliberal capitalism and

1:19:19.740 --> 1:19:21.742
the death of the kind of technocrat

1:19:23.045 --> 1:19:24.887
paradigm is that there is no

1:19:26.269 --> 1:19:28.452
long-term plan there's no

1:19:28.492 --> 1:19:30.113
long-term plan from from

1:19:30.154 --> 1:19:32.235
politicians and from voters

1:19:32.256 --> 1:19:32.817
there's not a lot of

1:19:32.856 --> 1:19:33.738
interest in a long-term

1:19:33.757 --> 1:19:35.619
plan because nothing has been pitched

1:19:36.689 --> 1:19:38.411
quite some time it's just

1:19:38.490 --> 1:19:39.711
what what what can you get

1:19:39.770 --> 1:19:41.070
now get what you can while

1:19:41.091 --> 1:19:42.431
you can is the political

1:19:42.471 --> 1:19:43.572
moment we find ourselves in

1:19:44.112 --> 1:19:46.712
and it's also you know what

1:19:46.752 --> 1:19:47.712
is politics it's the

1:19:47.773 --> 1:19:49.394
economy stupid right and

1:19:49.514 --> 1:19:50.694
what is crypt what is a

1:19:50.734 --> 1:19:52.134
crypto political system as

1:19:52.194 --> 1:19:53.435
it turns out at the moment

1:19:53.875 --> 1:19:54.954
it's very economic in

1:19:54.994 --> 1:19:55.954
nature so it's like no

1:19:55.996 --> 1:19:56.716
surprise that all these

1:19:56.756 --> 1:19:59.136
things are kind of layered

1:19:59.176 --> 1:20:00.396
on top of one another like

1:20:00.436 --> 1:20:01.837
a big steaming pile of poop

1:20:05.430 --> 1:20:05.689
Well,

1:20:05.850 --> 1:20:07.070
and that actually pushed back that

1:20:07.110 --> 1:20:09.172
there's zero consequences for any of it.

1:20:09.932 --> 1:20:11.474
I think that quite a few

1:20:11.514 --> 1:20:13.175
people have gotten benefit

1:20:13.255 --> 1:20:15.055
for pulling shady tactics, right?

1:20:15.417 --> 1:20:17.497
Like aside from just the shade text itself,

1:20:18.399 --> 1:20:19.759
they've been, if they're called out,

1:20:19.800 --> 1:20:21.260
they then get effectively

1:20:21.279 --> 1:20:22.780
that marketing and then

1:20:22.822 --> 1:20:23.822
that marketing kind of

1:20:24.061 --> 1:20:25.283
thrust them forward.

1:20:25.703 --> 1:20:27.203
And so even spending all

1:20:27.243 --> 1:20:29.265
that effort as Rama clearly has, like,

1:20:29.286 --> 1:20:30.286
I think all of us have read

1:20:30.646 --> 1:20:31.707
excellent threads by Rama

1:20:31.766 --> 1:20:32.488
talking about something.

1:20:33.826 --> 1:20:35.587
it's almost universally

1:20:35.947 --> 1:20:37.688
backfired in a quote

1:20:37.707 --> 1:20:39.648
unquote positive way for the person that,

1:20:40.028 --> 1:20:42.069
that, that, that did something bad.

1:20:42.189 --> 1:20:42.789
So it's just,

1:20:43.069 --> 1:20:46.711
I can see why Rama would be out.

1:20:48.912 --> 1:20:49.091
Yeah.

1:20:49.792 --> 1:20:49.891
Yeah.

1:20:49.971 --> 1:20:50.493
It's rough, man.

1:20:50.932 --> 1:20:51.273
It's rough.

1:20:51.672 --> 1:20:51.813
Yeah.

1:20:51.832 --> 1:20:52.113
I agree.

1:20:52.332 --> 1:20:53.854
And there should be more of those.

1:20:53.934 --> 1:20:54.113
Right.

1:20:54.234 --> 1:20:57.295
So, but, but I mean, I mean, we're helping,

1:20:57.314 --> 1:20:58.935
we, we do our, you know,

1:20:58.975 --> 1:20:59.636
we do our new thing.

1:20:59.676 --> 1:21:01.556
That's enough to pay for all that.

1:21:01.636 --> 1:21:01.856
I think.

1:21:04.113 --> 1:21:04.942
Maybe, to the doubt.

1:21:07.046 --> 1:21:07.747
We're doing our part.

1:21:07.827 --> 1:21:08.966
Game of Nodes is doing our part.

1:21:09.087 --> 1:21:12.368
Let's go.

1:21:12.789 --> 1:21:13.970
Is it Starship Troopers that

1:21:14.130 --> 1:21:15.070
I'm doing my part?

1:21:15.251 --> 1:21:16.011
I'm doing my part.

1:21:17.051 --> 1:21:21.394
Do you know what?

1:21:21.413 --> 1:21:22.274
I've got a long train

1:21:22.314 --> 1:21:23.095
journey at the weekend.

1:21:23.194 --> 1:21:25.155
I'm going to download that to my laptop.

1:21:25.176 --> 1:21:25.936
That's a good fucking movie.

1:21:26.537 --> 1:21:28.337
It's a good movie.

1:21:28.377 --> 1:21:29.679
I saw a really fucking good

1:21:29.698 --> 1:21:30.458
movie the other day.

1:21:30.479 --> 1:21:31.579
Let's move to media.

1:21:31.659 --> 1:21:32.840
Let's get off this crypto bullshit.

1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:36.462
i saw that I from the title

1:21:36.481 --> 1:21:38.663
I was like it sounds a

1:21:38.703 --> 1:21:39.884
little bit too worthy for

1:21:39.923 --> 1:21:40.925
like a monday night or

1:21:40.944 --> 1:21:43.725
whatever it was but um it

1:21:43.786 --> 1:21:45.466
was what was it called

1:21:45.768 --> 1:21:47.047
judas and the black messiah

1:21:47.108 --> 1:21:49.850
have you seen this no no

1:21:50.010 --> 1:21:51.430
I've never heard of it and

1:21:51.470 --> 1:21:52.430
as somebody in the uk like

1:21:52.451 --> 1:21:53.471
I don't know much about uh

1:21:54.271 --> 1:21:55.273
but I haven't heard of it

1:21:55.680 --> 1:21:56.699
I know a little bit about

1:21:56.720 --> 1:21:57.420
the history of like the

1:21:57.460 --> 1:21:58.600
black Panthers and stuff,

1:21:58.661 --> 1:22:00.100
but I didn't really,

1:22:00.801 --> 1:22:02.121
other than like the obvious

1:22:02.161 --> 1:22:03.140
stuff where it's stuff

1:22:03.180 --> 1:22:05.061
happening with Malcolm X or

1:22:06.021 --> 1:22:08.702
contemporary to, to Martin Luther King.

1:22:08.721 --> 1:22:09.782
Cause we do a little bit of

1:22:09.823 --> 1:22:12.962
that and some times in history in England,

1:22:13.023 --> 1:22:14.483
but I think it depends

1:22:14.502 --> 1:22:15.103
where you went to school.

1:22:15.623 --> 1:22:16.184
Yeah.

1:22:16.923 --> 1:22:18.203
But it was super, super interesting.

1:22:18.243 --> 1:22:18.684
It's about this.

1:22:18.703 --> 1:22:19.423
It's basically about this

1:22:19.524 --> 1:22:23.765
FBI informant in the Chicago area.

1:22:24.877 --> 1:22:25.878
Chicago land.

1:22:27.219 --> 1:22:28.680
Chicago land.

1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:30.060
That's called a cool pack.

1:22:31.162 --> 1:22:32.442
Um, it's a comedic divide.

1:22:32.483 --> 1:22:32.662
No.

1:22:32.783 --> 1:22:33.603
Um, yeah, no.

1:22:33.643 --> 1:22:35.224
So I didn't know anything about,

1:22:35.243 --> 1:22:36.005
I didn't know anything

1:22:36.024 --> 1:22:36.744
about it going into it.

1:22:37.005 --> 1:22:37.626
And, um,

1:22:37.746 --> 1:22:40.426
the acting is just because they

1:22:40.447 --> 1:22:40.988
show it because they,

1:22:41.028 --> 1:22:41.627
this obviously based,

1:22:41.667 --> 1:22:42.488
it's based on true story

1:22:42.889 --> 1:22:44.670
and they show you, um,

1:22:46.171 --> 1:22:47.811
this isn't a spoiler right at the end.

1:22:47.851 --> 1:22:48.811
They show you a little bit

1:22:48.872 --> 1:22:51.333
of film of the actual person, um,

1:22:52.701 --> 1:22:53.942
who's depicted in the film

1:22:54.761 --> 1:22:57.043
and honestly oh my god when

1:22:57.083 --> 1:22:58.465
you see him actually

1:22:58.505 --> 1:22:59.784
talking his mannerisms

1:22:59.926 --> 1:23:01.827
you're like it's like

1:23:02.106 --> 1:23:03.667
lakeith stanfield has

1:23:03.868 --> 1:23:04.948
crawled into that guy's

1:23:04.988 --> 1:23:06.168
skin and is wearing him

1:23:06.208 --> 1:23:07.270
like a puppet for the

1:23:07.289 --> 1:23:08.170
length of the film you're

1:23:08.189 --> 1:23:09.850
like it's a good actor oh

1:23:09.930 --> 1:23:11.492
my god because I've only

1:23:11.532 --> 1:23:12.912
seen him in um a comedy

1:23:12.953 --> 1:23:16.395
film possibly uh judas and

1:23:16.414 --> 1:23:17.155
the black messiah

1:23:18.764 --> 1:23:21.085
2021, actually a few years ago now.

1:23:21.564 --> 1:23:21.966
Yeah, I know.

1:23:22.305 --> 1:23:23.426
I didn't hear about it at the time.

1:23:24.587 --> 1:23:29.108
Daniel Kaluuya won an Academy Award,

1:23:29.148 --> 1:23:29.408
I think.

1:23:29.988 --> 1:23:30.328
Oh, really?

1:23:31.087 --> 1:23:31.287
Yeah.

1:23:31.707 --> 1:23:32.268
No kidding.

1:23:32.287 --> 1:23:32.627
That's right.

1:23:33.009 --> 1:23:33.168
I would,

1:23:33.328 --> 1:23:34.550
you say she'd go back and like try

1:23:34.569 --> 1:23:35.871
to watch Academy award films and not,

1:23:35.930 --> 1:23:37.051
I totally lost that thread

1:23:37.072 --> 1:23:37.792
after like a few years.

1:23:37.832 --> 1:23:38.693
There's just too many of them.

1:23:39.073 --> 1:23:40.795
My other half is much better at that.

1:23:40.875 --> 1:23:41.355
Like she's,

1:23:41.515 --> 1:23:42.837
she kind of quite often will go

1:23:42.917 --> 1:23:44.057
back through awards list

1:23:44.118 --> 1:23:45.479
and like sort through the ones that,

1:23:45.899 --> 1:23:47.661
that didn't age well based

1:23:47.761 --> 1:23:49.662
on like rotten tomatoes or whatever.

1:23:49.743 --> 1:23:50.502
And the ones,

1:23:51.024 --> 1:23:52.465
the ones that people are still going like,

1:23:52.625 --> 1:23:53.025
Oh no, that,

1:23:53.145 --> 1:23:54.386
that was actually a very good film.

1:23:55.106 --> 1:23:57.229
Um, so this was a hundred percent, um,

1:23:57.770 --> 1:23:59.211
one of, one of her picks, um,

1:23:59.707 --> 1:24:00.507
And I was just like, ooh,

1:24:01.128 --> 1:24:02.470
heavyweight title.

1:24:02.510 --> 1:24:03.470
But then it turns out

1:24:03.711 --> 1:24:04.972
it's... It wasn't that bad?

1:24:05.752 --> 1:24:05.934
No,

1:24:05.953 --> 1:24:07.215
so the title's a reference to a...

1:24:09.037 --> 1:24:09.938
What's the FBI guy?

1:24:10.297 --> 1:24:11.219
J. Edgar Hoover quote.

1:24:12.340 --> 1:24:12.701
Oh, is it?

1:24:12.961 --> 1:24:13.180
Okay.

1:24:13.220 --> 1:24:13.381
Yeah.

1:24:15.810 --> 1:24:17.671
So, so, so yeah,

1:24:17.832 --> 1:24:19.072
it makes a lot of sense in context,

1:24:19.091 --> 1:24:19.391
but again,

1:24:19.412 --> 1:24:20.912
I didn't know any of the context.

1:24:20.952 --> 1:24:21.532
So I was just like,

1:24:21.551 --> 1:24:22.613
that's a bit of an odd title.

1:24:22.632 --> 1:24:23.212
And then I think,

1:24:23.592 --> 1:24:25.592
I think you're supposed to know that it's,

1:24:25.752 --> 1:24:27.134
there's a JFK Hoover quote.

1:24:27.654 --> 1:24:27.814
Right.

1:24:27.993 --> 1:24:29.073
So then the title makes

1:24:29.094 --> 1:24:30.675
sense and then it would all make sense,

1:24:30.755 --> 1:24:31.255
but I didn't.

1:24:31.314 --> 1:24:32.335
So I, yeah,

1:24:32.395 --> 1:24:34.395
I was just like about halfway

1:24:34.414 --> 1:24:35.595
through or a few minutes

1:24:35.615 --> 1:24:36.355
through or whatever it was.

1:24:36.395 --> 1:24:38.055
I was like, uh, yeah.

1:24:38.076 --> 1:24:38.416
Okay.

1:24:38.676 --> 1:24:39.277
Fucking fine.

1:24:40.737 --> 1:24:41.676
Uh, I've actually been watching,

1:24:41.697 --> 1:24:42.657
I've actually been watching

1:24:42.676 --> 1:24:43.398
a lot of media this week.

1:24:43.578 --> 1:24:44.078
I don't know why.

1:24:44.118 --> 1:24:44.818
Just maybe the, uh,

1:24:45.555 --> 1:24:46.314
timing of it or something

1:24:46.354 --> 1:24:48.256
else or just lack of other

1:24:48.275 --> 1:24:48.976
shit going on or I don't

1:24:48.997 --> 1:24:49.617
know what the hell is going

1:24:49.636 --> 1:24:51.818
on but some other

1:24:51.837 --> 1:24:52.918
recommendations I from I

1:24:53.019 --> 1:24:53.639
don't know if you guys are

1:24:53.658 --> 1:24:54.880
watching these but death

1:24:55.460 --> 1:24:56.541
and other details with

1:24:56.581 --> 1:24:58.782
Manny Patinkin that shows

1:24:58.801 --> 1:24:59.721
been really fun that's

1:24:59.761 --> 1:25:00.943
actually been a pretty

1:25:00.983 --> 1:25:03.283
interesting show it's just

1:25:03.323 --> 1:25:04.203
a few episodes and I think

1:25:04.243 --> 1:25:05.505
this episode three or four

1:25:05.545 --> 1:25:06.905
dropped a few days or

1:25:06.966 --> 1:25:07.786
actually episode six

1:25:07.805 --> 1:25:08.567
dropped this week but I

1:25:08.587 --> 1:25:09.167
think I'm like three or

1:25:09.186 --> 1:25:09.907
four and I thought that was

1:25:10.306 --> 1:25:11.188
that's been a fun it's like

1:25:11.228 --> 1:25:12.347
a murder mystery on a boat

1:25:12.408 --> 1:25:13.128
type of thing and it has

1:25:13.168 --> 1:25:14.630
some fun characters and shit like that

1:25:15.689 --> 1:25:16.671
uh true detective season

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four started which I don't

1:25:18.771 --> 1:25:19.432
know if you guys watch

1:25:19.453 --> 1:25:20.233
those you ever watch those

1:25:20.273 --> 1:25:21.634
early ones with like the

1:25:21.673 --> 1:25:23.255
first one with like with uh

1:25:24.095 --> 1:25:26.216
is there a new season yeah

1:25:26.237 --> 1:25:27.957
season four is on and it's

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with uh with um why can't I

1:25:30.979 --> 1:25:34.622
think of her name um the

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one and only one seriously

1:25:36.762 --> 1:25:37.783
why am I such an idiot is

1:25:37.804 --> 1:25:39.305
that still matt mcconaughey or whatever

1:25:39.695 --> 1:25:40.856
No, that was only season one.

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They rotate every season.

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Oh, right.

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Somebody in the comments will tell me,

1:25:50.962 --> 1:25:51.823
get me back on track.

1:25:52.082 --> 1:25:53.243
Season four has been a lot of fun.

1:25:53.382 --> 1:25:56.225
It's up in the northernmost

1:25:56.364 --> 1:25:57.805
town of Alaska.

1:25:58.185 --> 1:25:58.826
And so there's a bunch of

1:25:58.886 --> 1:26:00.287
Arctic situations going on.

1:26:00.627 --> 1:26:01.448
It's been actually pretty cool.

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And also what also started,

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I'm not sure if you guys

1:26:05.270 --> 1:26:05.630
ever watched this,

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but there's a show called Tokyo Vice,

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which I think is an Apple TV show maybe.

1:26:09.889 --> 1:26:10.248
I don't even know,

1:26:10.269 --> 1:26:11.989
but I watched it in season

1:26:12.090 --> 1:26:13.070
one started last year.

1:26:13.110 --> 1:26:14.070
I think it's like maybe one

1:26:14.091 --> 1:26:15.152
of the least watched shows.

1:26:15.811 --> 1:26:17.533
Tokyo Vice season two

1:26:17.552 --> 1:26:20.354
started this week and it's

1:26:20.413 --> 1:26:22.074
a totally cool show.

1:26:22.154 --> 1:26:23.576
It's an American who moves

1:26:23.595 --> 1:26:24.655
to Tokyo and then starts

1:26:24.676 --> 1:26:26.516
getting involved in some of

1:26:26.577 --> 1:26:28.238
the mafia underground there.

1:26:28.318 --> 1:26:31.319
And it's been actually pretty fun.

1:26:31.340 --> 1:26:32.199
He's a reporter and he

1:26:32.220 --> 1:26:33.440
starts getting pulled into...

1:26:34.461 --> 1:26:37.643
some of the um um in the it

1:26:37.662 --> 1:26:38.703
gets pulled in the tokyo

1:26:38.724 --> 1:26:39.965
vice police squad and like

1:26:40.024 --> 1:26:40.585
some of those other types

1:26:40.625 --> 1:26:41.145
of shit's going it's

1:26:41.185 --> 1:26:42.286
actually a really cool show

1:26:42.805 --> 1:26:43.806
and really like great

1:26:43.886 --> 1:26:44.828
cinematography and it's

1:26:44.847 --> 1:26:45.988
like it's it's a really

1:26:46.668 --> 1:26:47.448
interesting type of thing

1:26:47.469 --> 1:26:48.550
so all three of those I've

1:26:48.569 --> 1:26:50.310
been sucked into this week

1:26:50.551 --> 1:26:51.212
and then the last one I've

1:26:51.231 --> 1:26:52.273
been involved in is beef

1:26:53.212 --> 1:26:54.413
which is I think I don't

1:26:54.434 --> 1:26:55.895
know if that's new I think it must be new

1:26:57.637 --> 1:26:58.198
I'm not sure if that's an

1:26:58.259 --> 1:26:59.139
Apple TV show as well.

1:26:59.399 --> 1:27:01.420
Maybe Apple kicking some ass this year.

1:27:03.742 --> 1:27:06.162
They've got the Masters of the Air as well,

1:27:06.203 --> 1:27:07.623
haven't they, which is coming out soon.

1:27:08.083 --> 1:27:08.524
Well, I mean,

1:27:08.604 --> 1:27:09.404
they're just throwing money

1:27:09.444 --> 1:27:10.485
in the fucking situation.

1:27:10.786 --> 1:27:13.927
It's a set of values and money.

1:27:14.028 --> 1:27:14.868
That's literally what it is.

1:27:15.769 --> 1:27:16.328
It's fine.

1:27:16.349 --> 1:27:18.449
There's nothing wrong with that.

1:27:19.051 --> 1:27:20.091
Didn't they do a Foundation

1:27:20.131 --> 1:27:21.631
TV series as well recently?

1:27:22.752 --> 1:27:24.993
Foundation as in Asimov.

1:27:25.654 --> 1:27:26.375
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1:27:27.478 --> 1:27:27.757
Yes,

1:27:28.497 --> 1:27:30.198
there is a Dune TV show that I think

1:27:30.298 --> 1:27:31.340
is from them, right?

1:27:31.359 --> 1:27:32.260
It's called Foundation.

1:27:33.420 --> 1:27:34.581
Oh, there you go.

1:27:36.261 --> 1:27:38.681
But it's like, isn't it Dune-ish?

1:27:39.243 --> 1:27:39.802
Dune-ish, yeah.

1:27:41.158 --> 1:27:43.118
Dune Foundation.

1:27:43.179 --> 1:27:46.220
The fucking Dune 2 is out soon,

1:27:46.260 --> 1:27:46.720
by the way.

1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:48.380
This month.

1:27:50.301 --> 1:27:51.820
I'm shitting the fucking bed

1:27:51.860 --> 1:27:52.541
about that one,

1:27:52.581 --> 1:27:54.362
that it's going to fuck up.

1:27:54.822 --> 1:27:57.722
Because the first one was fucking good.

1:27:58.802 --> 1:28:01.724
If by good, you mean boring as fuck.

1:28:02.783 --> 1:28:03.003
Hey.

1:28:06.605 --> 1:28:07.926
All sequels are better.

1:28:10.686 --> 1:28:11.448
You're wrong, though,

1:28:11.488 --> 1:28:12.689
but it's okay that you're wrong.

1:28:14.591 --> 1:28:17.115
Man, it's the last season of Curb, bro.

1:28:17.976 --> 1:28:18.257
I know.

1:28:18.818 --> 1:28:21.001
I haven't backed up.

1:28:21.041 --> 1:28:21.721
I'm just kind of waiting

1:28:21.742 --> 1:28:22.743
until they get a little bit farther,

1:28:22.764 --> 1:28:24.025
and then I'll start blowing through them.

1:28:25.226 --> 1:28:25.448
I know.

1:28:25.608 --> 1:28:26.569
It is the last season of Curb.

1:28:27.461 --> 1:28:29.360
I know he announced that,

1:28:29.381 --> 1:28:30.261
but do you think that's

1:28:30.322 --> 1:28:32.782
actually going to happen?

1:28:33.442 --> 1:28:34.261
He always says that, though.

1:28:34.301 --> 1:28:34.582
He's like,

1:28:34.641 --> 1:28:35.802
I have no more stories than what

1:28:35.823 --> 1:28:36.563
he's done.

1:28:36.722 --> 1:28:37.023
I know.

1:28:37.722 --> 1:28:38.422
I have no more stories,

1:28:38.443 --> 1:28:38.922
but he said that in the

1:28:38.943 --> 1:28:39.922
Seinfeld days as well.

1:28:41.904 --> 1:28:44.423
I hope he doesn't.

1:28:45.243 --> 1:28:45.804
It's so funny.

1:28:46.104 --> 1:28:47.984
He deserves retirement.

1:28:48.784 --> 1:28:50.725
What would he do, though?

1:28:50.765 --> 1:28:51.746
He's going to do the same shit.

1:28:51.765 --> 1:28:52.966
Annoy people and play golf.

1:28:53.546 --> 1:28:53.666
Yeah.

1:28:54.806 --> 1:28:56.887
Might as well do it and record it.

1:28:56.908 --> 1:28:59.748
Isn't that what you do?

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I just annoy people.

1:29:06.190 --> 1:29:07.452
Like I've got golf clubs.

1:29:07.471 --> 1:29:08.811
I was going to say there are

1:29:08.851 --> 1:29:09.733
golf clubs behind you.

1:29:09.993 --> 1:29:10.493
I'm pretty sure.

1:29:10.512 --> 1:29:11.313
Yeah, I've got a lot of balls.

1:29:11.332 --> 1:29:13.894
I buy balls all the time.

1:29:13.934 --> 1:29:15.215
Why don't you ship those to Austin?

1:29:22.228 --> 1:29:24.350
Aston asked what you reckon

1:29:24.390 --> 1:29:25.530
we can play golf in Aston.

1:29:25.551 --> 1:29:26.271
I don't know.

1:29:26.993 --> 1:29:27.212
I am.

1:29:27.233 --> 1:29:28.333
I am starting to pull together.

1:29:28.354 --> 1:29:29.194
I do have some other

1:29:29.354 --> 1:29:33.097
barbecue things that we should discuss.

1:29:33.118 --> 1:29:34.179
We had to plan our barbecue.

1:29:35.420 --> 1:29:36.161
Like schedule.

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Do we?