WEBVTT 00:00.589 --> 00:01.590 It's coming up, man. 00:03.232 --> 00:03.512 I know. 00:03.952 --> 00:04.913 I know I'm getting sucked into this. 00:04.933 --> 00:10.279 I've been trying to avoid it and say, didn't want to go to that conference, but all the cool kids are there. 00:12.121 --> 00:12.821 Well, I'm not that. 00:14.743 --> 00:15.324 That's what I said. 00:32.113 --> 00:37.257 Welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from independent validated teams. 00:40.820 --> 00:41.761 January is a weird month. 00:42.662 --> 00:44.083 January is just a weird month, isn't it? 00:44.163 --> 00:45.304 Especially in the Northern Hemisphere. 00:45.424 --> 00:47.245 Noel's just like, don't know what you're fucking talking about. 00:47.265 --> 00:49.087 Don't know what you're fucking talking about. 00:49.307 --> 00:50.128 Sweating his ass off. 00:50.548 --> 00:51.309 Yeah, exactly. 00:51.569 --> 00:53.891 The rest of us are just like, what is sun? 00:54.011 --> 00:55.512 What is daylight? 00:56.633 --> 01:00.016 Well, I'm in Melbourne at the moment, so you know, 01:01.385 --> 01:29.217 time of day and like you know it can be i might be well it's sunny this morning but it could be a fucking snowstorm this afternoon you never know enough australian you know people from melbourne can fuck off about this yeah no they can't like every everywhere i went in melbourne people were like oh you're from europe the funny thing about melbourne is you know it's a really quite indoorsy city and we have real seasons here and you know in a lot of way and you're like 01:29.741 --> 01:30.341 Yeah, all right. 01:30.702 --> 01:35.365 I've had a look at your weather fucking chart online and it's not that bad. 01:36.226 --> 01:38.407 Like, oh, it's a bit foggy some days. 01:38.427 --> 01:39.949 Who fucking who? 01:40.309 --> 01:41.470 It's not Brussels, is it? 01:41.570 --> 01:48.835 It's not like a random European city that doesn't have the Gulf Stream and just has like, hmm, in summer it's 40 degrees. 01:49.055 --> 01:50.516 In winter it's minus fucking 20. 01:51.037 --> 01:51.197 Yeah. 01:54.139 --> 01:55.580 I'm not sure if I like your attitude. 01:56.756 --> 01:57.396 I like Melbourne. 01:57.717 --> 01:58.437 I like Melbourne. 01:58.477 --> 02:05.080 I just don't like the narrative people from Melbourne push about how wacky and crazy the weather is in Melbourne. 02:05.121 --> 02:07.122 It's like, nah, it's still good weather. 02:07.182 --> 02:10.163 It's Australia. 02:10.443 --> 02:14.726 It's like California's being like, you know, sometimes it rains and you're like... 02:15.726 --> 02:18.451 I didn't see the sun today. 02:18.772 --> 02:19.653 I didn't see the sun today. 02:19.673 --> 02:20.976 Like I haven't seen the sun in weeks. 02:21.737 --> 02:22.278 Yeah, exactly. 02:22.558 --> 02:27.988 Like, have you ever seen like when it, it like attempts to rain in LA and everybody loses their fucking shit. 02:28.589 --> 02:28.970 And you're like, 02:32.068 --> 03:00.707 yeah sometimes water falls from the sky that is my single biggest beef with Portland Portland it rains like three quarters of the year drizzling granted but whenever it does traffic goes to a standstill people stop driving well like it's insane it'll be like the lightest misting outside and just it becomes mayhem in the roads this is Portland how many people have to deal with that like every day what the fuck 03:01.837 --> 03:04.479 That's why it's so entertaining because they deal with it every single day. 03:05.079 --> 03:08.761 And then, like, you know, there's a difference because when there's a sunny day, everyone drives fine. 03:09.642 --> 03:12.503 But God forbid, there's a little bit of moisture in the air. 03:12.523 --> 03:15.205 You got to be careful, man. 03:15.545 --> 03:16.306 You got to be careful. 03:17.226 --> 03:22.890 It's like that is, to be fair, something people in the UK say about like because obviously different places have. 03:24.025 --> 03:46.277 different numbers of rain days but different amounts of overall rain so like the west coast is overwhelmingly the wetter one but like the further you go north like it because it gets colder it ends up being like this really you basically like walk into like a sheet of water but like really thin water and you're soaked at the other end 03:47.079 --> 03:48.320 And you're like, what the fuck? 03:48.360 --> 03:50.201 I didn't even see that it was raining. 03:50.221 --> 03:52.423 It was just sort of suspended water. 03:52.883 --> 04:02.330 But then further down south, it's these huge, big-ass raindrops that hit you in the head and knock you down if you're a spindly lad from the north. 04:02.370 --> 04:04.011 You're just like, what the fuck is this? 04:04.031 --> 04:07.373 What are these big, heavy raindrops? 04:08.014 --> 04:15.499 You get to the point where after 15 years living up here, I don't really wear a raincoat anymore because there's no... 04:17.225 --> 04:45.711 like if you wear a raincoat it stops water coming in the top but what about the water coming up the under like it's just it's like walking into a solid sheet of water but then you go like down south and you're like oh you could just wear a raincoat it would just stop it wouldn't it because it's just these big fat pregnant drops of water just falling from the sky yeah that's exactly right it's basically that exact type of thing where poland is just like a constant sheet of water and that just scares the hell out of people in melbourne you'd 04:46.300 --> 04:51.721 don't take a raincoat because there's absolutely no indicator whatsoever that it's going to fucking rain when you leave the house. 04:53.282 --> 04:58.123 But isn't it just Southern, isn't it like Southern Florida where like, if you wait 10 minutes, then the weather changes, right? 04:58.143 --> 04:58.963 Like it rains. 04:59.003 --> 05:00.763 Like the next thing it's beautiful and it's all dry. 05:00.784 --> 05:01.704 Yeah. 05:01.724 --> 05:07.025 You'll be out like, you know, walking for, you know, walking by the river, having a nice afternoon. 05:07.125 --> 05:09.726 All of a sudden there's just fucking water everywhere. 05:10.346 --> 05:10.886 Sideways. 05:12.324 --> 05:14.245 And then that'll be followed by some fog. 05:14.285 --> 05:15.666 And then it's like sunny again. 05:15.686 --> 05:17.908 And you're like, it's fucking hell. 05:19.549 --> 05:20.270 There you go. 05:20.350 --> 05:20.510 Right. 05:20.610 --> 05:23.132 There is the, then it's sunny again. 05:23.212 --> 05:23.772 How weird. 05:23.792 --> 05:27.675 You're like, yeah, son, we have, we have the other two, except for that last piece. 05:27.715 --> 05:27.875 Yeah. 05:27.915 --> 05:28.035 Right. 05:28.055 --> 05:28.896 We did that last one. 05:28.916 --> 05:30.677 You're gonna have to explain that to me. 05:30.697 --> 05:31.778 I don't know. 05:31.858 --> 05:33.259 What the fuck is sun? 05:33.279 --> 05:37.942 I mean, sometimes it's just randomly cold as fuck as well. 05:38.002 --> 05:40.244 Like you just like, you know, 05:41.159 --> 05:44.820 it might be a sunny morning and then like mid afternoon, it just gets cloudy and fucking cold. 05:44.880 --> 05:46.740 And you're like, what the fuck has just happened? 05:47.380 --> 05:50.581 But yeah, anyway, you know, Melbourne problems, Melbourne problems. 05:51.001 --> 05:51.901 So, okay. 05:52.101 --> 06:05.204 Does any, did, did, did, did anybody else, do we else remember that fucking TV show with the, the, the fucking, just get this demonetized with the Canadian Mountie, right? 06:06.653 --> 06:11.456 And then he goes south into America and it's all about his zany cultural exchange. 06:12.677 --> 06:14.819 He teams up with a hard luck cop. 06:16.640 --> 06:18.241 It was called Due South, I think. 06:19.042 --> 06:19.962 Which city was that? 06:20.042 --> 06:21.604 Was that Portland? 06:22.204 --> 06:23.625 It does sound familiar now that you mention it. 06:24.185 --> 06:25.807 It sounds fucking horrible. 06:27.107 --> 06:31.511 I have the vague suspicion that unlike Sliders, it did not age well. 06:32.211 --> 06:32.591 Late 90s. 06:34.554 --> 06:35.474 All gross. 06:35.674 --> 06:37.515 Do you remember Sliders? 06:37.555 --> 06:39.175 I do remember Sliders. 06:39.195 --> 06:44.776 The production budget was much tighter. 06:45.157 --> 06:47.497 Okay, now that I'm looking at the trailer, I do remember the show. 06:48.197 --> 06:49.638 Looks like it was filmed in Chicago. 06:49.658 --> 06:56.299 The Adventures of an Impossibly Upright Royal Canadian Mounted Police Constable. 06:56.859 --> 07:00.160 Dude, impossibly upright is a fucking awesome set of definitions. 07:00.420 --> 07:00.940 That's fantastic. 07:01.540 --> 07:02.781 Impossibly upright, the fray. 07:05.109 --> 07:07.671 Um, and as American colleagues in the city of Chicago. 07:07.691 --> 07:07.931 Oh yeah. 07:08.152 --> 07:08.532 There you go. 07:08.932 --> 07:11.114 I thought it was Portland, not Chicago. 07:11.134 --> 07:17.139 I thought it was Beverly Hills cop that started in Chicago and, and, um, and do South was in Portland. 07:17.579 --> 07:22.183 So all my Portland references are clearly non-existent Chicago references. 07:23.063 --> 07:23.243 Yeah. 07:23.263 --> 07:27.547 They turn out to be Chicago references, which you know what on balance does make a lot more sense. 07:27.567 --> 07:28.808 There was a big lake, um, 07:29.386 --> 07:30.127 Now I think about it. 07:33.670 --> 07:36.252 Portland's lake is much larger, to be clear. 07:36.753 --> 07:37.653 What is Portland's lake? 07:37.733 --> 07:38.634 Portland has a lake too. 07:40.416 --> 07:42.458 Yeah. 07:43.058 --> 07:45.300 The Pacific Ocean. 07:45.320 --> 07:46.061 It doesn't fucking count. 07:46.081 --> 07:48.083 We're talking about a lake lake. 07:48.103 --> 07:49.244 There's no lake in Portland, is there? 07:49.904 --> 07:51.526 Well, I didn't think there was a lake in Portland. 07:52.071 --> 07:53.812 Oh, technically, there's like, oh, sorry to go. 07:53.892 --> 07:56.293 But there's like some emptiness there. 07:56.373 --> 08:01.795 Like it's illegal to actually be on the lake because it's like a rich county and people like it's a whole thing. 08:01.956 --> 08:02.416 So they're yet. 08:02.536 --> 08:02.916 Yes. 08:02.956 --> 08:03.116 No. 08:03.676 --> 08:03.856 Yeah. 08:03.876 --> 08:07.058 They don't want people like no boaters and such. 08:08.035 --> 08:09.196 Yeah, no, it's really interesting. 08:09.236 --> 08:15.540 So Lake Oswego is, I think, one of the richest cities in the US. 08:15.921 --> 08:21.004 And so what they did, in Oregon, all waterways are public property. 08:21.345 --> 08:26.728 And so what we got around that was they purchased all the land, the city had purchased all the land around the lake. 08:27.771 --> 08:53.856 and leases it for houses so that the public can't actually go to the lake and you can be arrested for it there's a couple articles online about it sweet so it's like we don't we don't want any peasants here guys dude nothing nothing ruins nature like fucking rich people i tell you what they are fucking awesome at it just lock it down hey so uh i keep mentioning this every fucking week but uh could your archive node 08:54.651 --> 08:55.771 No, Fargo. 08:56.071 --> 08:57.372 Fargo finished this week. 08:58.432 --> 09:00.332 The latest Fargo season finished this week. 09:00.832 --> 09:03.633 Man, I don't know if you... It was a fucking good season. 09:03.653 --> 09:04.073 I loved it. 09:04.573 --> 09:05.333 It was fantastic. 09:06.053 --> 09:06.894 Probably one of their best. 09:07.714 --> 09:08.054 Watch it. 09:08.714 --> 09:08.994 It's good. 09:09.014 --> 09:09.454 I have heard. 09:10.174 --> 09:11.274 How's your Kujira Archive known? 09:11.855 --> 09:14.555 How's your Kujira Archive known saga going? 09:14.635 --> 09:16.195 I still haven't done the refund yet. 09:16.636 --> 09:17.576 Man, this fucking guy. 09:17.616 --> 09:18.616 Long-time listeners want to know. 09:19.276 --> 09:19.916 Fuck me. 09:19.956 --> 09:23.557 There's like... All of your delegators listen to this podcast. 09:24.975 --> 09:27.656 Any of my delegators who give a fuck have left anyway. 09:27.716 --> 09:29.496 They're probably on this podcast. 09:30.476 --> 09:42.019 You know, how is it so impossible to find an archive on Kujira? 09:42.119 --> 09:42.659 Doesn't exist. 09:42.679 --> 09:43.399 Tune in next week. 09:43.659 --> 09:46.800 Tune in next week where we find out if Null found a Kujira archive node. 09:47.160 --> 09:48.460 Doesn't exist. 09:49.406 --> 09:55.307 So the person who is syncing one, I asked how fast it was going, and it's like half the speed of the network. 09:55.347 --> 09:59.088 It's not going to catch up right now. 09:59.128 --> 09:59.909 I don't want to be slashed. 10:00.009 --> 10:06.290 Good advice coming from the comments of our long-time listeners. 10:06.690 --> 10:07.350 Fucking hell. 10:07.430 --> 10:10.531 It probably just cost me 5% of my business. 10:10.571 --> 10:12.752 Thanks for deleting this episode. 10:13.092 --> 10:14.052 Nobody watches this episode. 10:14.532 --> 10:14.872 It's fine. 10:14.892 --> 10:18.793 The most random people tell me they watch this show. 10:20.125 --> 10:25.209 I was having a meeting with someone yesterday, and they're like, oh, yeah, we watch your show every now and then. 10:25.229 --> 10:26.930 I said, what the fuck are you talking about? 10:26.970 --> 10:30.053 They're like, Game of Thrones. 10:30.593 --> 10:32.814 Am I the only one left on Mars? 10:33.595 --> 10:38.639 As in, like... I think I'm still on Mars. 10:38.699 --> 10:39.579 Lavender's still on Mars. 10:39.860 --> 10:40.440 Because we're... 10:44.972 --> 10:55.976 It, you know, a tiny organization such as us, uh, obviously the decision I have, I don't have a Timon or anybody else clever in the organization full time to bounce ideas off of. 10:56.016 --> 11:05.839 So the, uh, I was staring at that server bill, uh, it's on a yearly, um, cycle the other day when we were doing an audit. 11:05.859 --> 11:14.362 And I was just thinking is Mars going to come back in the next 12 months is Mars ever going to be anything. 11:15.653 --> 11:18.014 Was Mars ever anything? 11:19.855 --> 11:23.737 Okay, so I also worked out... Come back from what? 11:24.038 --> 11:25.358 While doing the order thing, right? 11:26.099 --> 11:32.662 I think the Cosmos chain we would turn off last on would probably be Stargaze, right? 11:32.782 --> 11:37.705 They, I think, have the best product and best team in terms of just shipping features. 11:43.088 --> 11:43.428 But... 11:45.518 --> 11:54.947 When one does some mathematics about whether or not we've made money on that chain... Look, a good validator doesn't do math. 11:55.948 --> 11:56.589 Well, sure. 11:58.330 --> 12:07.559 It looks like we are just about in the black, especially since replatforming off of AWS over a year ago now and blah, blah, blah. 12:07.959 --> 12:09.461 We've done a bunch of stuff that has... 12:11.844 --> 12:14.125 set us up on a lower cost basis. 12:14.165 --> 12:22.569 But even then, we're not pulling any rewards in the current market. 12:22.609 --> 12:24.510 It doesn't make sense to hang on to stuff. 12:24.530 --> 12:28.251 It doesn't really make sense to compound, create tax events and whatnot. 12:32.274 --> 12:34.856 I'm not good at Excel. 12:35.056 --> 12:44.483 I'm not good with spreadsheets and whatnot, but I just put it on a chart and you can literally see the time converging or when it starts to lose money. 12:44.523 --> 12:50.447 And you're like, oh boy, we are not good at this business business. 12:50.548 --> 12:52.409 Validation sometimes. 12:53.109 --> 12:57.473 Literally, I think when the price converged on osmosis in that period... 12:58.706 --> 13:00.927 because there was like a, it wasn't like a pre mine. 13:01.027 --> 13:05.370 It was kind of like a pre mine before the osmosis pair settled. 13:06.550 --> 13:06.751 Right. 13:06.791 --> 13:12.414 Because staking was on as soon as the chain launched, I think we sold that chunk. 13:12.594 --> 13:20.738 And I think that that that's been our profit basis on that chain ever since we've just been eating, we've just been living off that. 13:21.759 --> 13:26.642 I think the other three of us here are all just sitting here thinking to ourselves, 13:27.617 --> 13:29.738 You have time to charge shit coins? 13:32.799 --> 13:43.363 Well, I can tell you at the current high of Mars' price right now, because it is something of a local high, I will make $690 gross profit off of Mars. 13:43.663 --> 13:44.743 Well, that's not even profit. 13:45.004 --> 13:45.784 Gross income. 13:46.204 --> 13:46.944 Gross income. 13:47.024 --> 13:48.545 What, for selling all your tokens? 13:49.305 --> 13:51.686 For selling every single one, every single token. 13:51.706 --> 13:52.086 Per month? 13:52.706 --> 13:53.267 Per year. 13:53.487 --> 13:53.847 Per year. 13:53.887 --> 13:55.607 There we go, people. 13:57.886 --> 13:58.567 There we go. 13:59.348 --> 14:04.092 As long as you're running on like a raspberry pie, you could maybe take your wife out to dinner. 14:04.912 --> 14:05.853 Yeah, exactly. 14:07.314 --> 14:09.336 Well, that's, that's not profit though, is it? 14:09.376 --> 14:11.218 That's not profit. 14:11.238 --> 14:12.118 That's why I corrected that. 14:12.159 --> 14:13.380 This isn't profit. 14:13.640 --> 14:15.882 Sell all the tokens. 14:16.342 --> 14:16.582 Yeah. 14:16.742 --> 14:16.923 Yeah. 14:17.163 --> 14:19.825 So you're probably making it that $3,000 loss. 14:21.767 --> 14:22.307 Exactly. 14:22.527 --> 14:22.788 Yeah. 14:22.988 --> 14:23.168 Yeah. 14:24.777 --> 14:27.900 Ah, well, you know, someone has to pay for the network, don't they? 14:27.940 --> 14:29.681 If it's not the users, it's the validators. 14:30.682 --> 14:34.365 But speaking of coins, both I found out this week. 14:34.686 --> 14:37.368 I know we've been running Odin protocol for a long time. 14:37.408 --> 14:38.829 We were talking about this in the chat. 14:39.470 --> 14:41.511 And it's been for a while. 14:41.591 --> 14:41.611 I... 14:43.018 --> 14:48.182 I almost forgot that it was running because it's been running on like a VM structure in our DC that like, it's been fine. 14:48.202 --> 14:48.802 It's been quiet. 14:48.842 --> 14:50.543 Like it's monitored, but it's not doing anything. 14:50.583 --> 14:53.345 We haven't had upgrade in like a year and a half or maybe more. 14:53.385 --> 14:53.906 I don't even know. 14:53.946 --> 14:54.726 It's been a long time. 14:55.567 --> 15:01.211 And then I was informed that number one, there was an upgrade going on or not upgrade, but they're regenerating and all that kind of stuff. 15:01.231 --> 15:02.932 They're doing a massive type of change. 15:03.392 --> 15:06.334 And I also recognize that the last time I looked at the price of Odin was 0.0007. 15:06.374 --> 15:07.735 I think three zeros. 15:11.869 --> 15:12.530 I think is what it was. 15:13.231 --> 15:14.433 And now it's like 29 cents. 15:14.533 --> 15:17.958 And completely. 15:18.018 --> 15:18.719 I had no idea. 15:18.799 --> 15:20.141 I've never even pulled. 15:20.462 --> 15:25.289 I've never even pulled rewards on that validator ever, ever back in the black baby. 15:27.358 --> 15:31.320 Yeah, it went to one of our most profitable networks. 15:31.400 --> 15:33.121 Why didn't you say something? 15:33.281 --> 15:34.202 Which is so sad. 15:34.882 --> 15:39.825 I'm really low in VP, but honestly, I don't even know what's in... Well, the chain's dead right now. 15:39.865 --> 15:41.766 I can't look, but I don't even know what's even in the wallet. 15:41.966 --> 15:42.626 I have no idea. 15:43.427 --> 15:44.707 So yeah, there you go. 15:45.087 --> 15:45.788 Steak with Rhino. 15:46.608 --> 15:47.969 Never look at what is in the wallet. 15:47.989 --> 15:49.690 Just let it run forever. 15:50.510 --> 15:53.492 Shilsi, did you just say it's one of your most profitable chains? 15:55.720 --> 16:02.742 isn't that sad out of the 50 or so networks that were on 50, 60, maybe now it's, it's probably in the top 10 or so. 16:02.762 --> 16:04.222 Oh my God. 16:05.243 --> 16:10.584 Well, that's the case for, that's the case for running a shitload is they all spike at different times. 16:10.664 --> 16:12.285 And so everyone, right. 16:12.425 --> 16:19.887 Every, a few times a year, you have winners that you're not expecting there to be winners saying the phrase 60 chains that gave me anxiety. 16:20.127 --> 16:20.467 I'm sure. 16:20.547 --> 16:20.867 I'm sure. 16:20.887 --> 16:22.608 I'm sure she'll see runs more than 60 chains. 16:22.648 --> 16:23.828 That was, I was low balling up there. 16:25.270 --> 16:26.471 Well, that's just main nets. 16:26.531 --> 16:29.092 If we include test nets, then I'd... Jesus, God. 16:29.112 --> 16:29.572 There you go. 16:29.652 --> 16:30.613 I don't even want to know. 16:30.633 --> 16:33.814 There you go. 16:34.475 --> 16:34.955 Oh, God. 16:34.995 --> 16:38.057 That's just... Yeah, fuck it. 16:38.197 --> 16:40.758 Meanwhile, Pokichu... Pokichu's running 400. 16:41.118 --> 16:42.499 And this is like, huh? 16:43.119 --> 16:43.279 What? 16:43.460 --> 16:45.541 Pokichu's running like too many. 16:46.461 --> 16:48.542 Pokichu could never leave the house. 16:49.223 --> 16:50.143 How does he get his food? 16:50.183 --> 16:53.825 Like... Intravenously fucking... 16:55.971 --> 16:57.433 Dr. Chu orders out. 16:58.575 --> 16:58.795 Yeah. 16:58.976 --> 17:02.441 That's funny. 17:02.521 --> 17:03.042 Honestly... 17:04.941 --> 17:10.585 I don't understand how Pikachu doesn't run Horcrux with all that he runs. 17:10.745 --> 17:15.108 I think my stress level would just always be so high if I didn't run Horcrux. 17:15.349 --> 17:16.770 I would panic. 17:17.971 --> 17:18.611 I don't run it at all. 17:18.771 --> 17:20.032 I run it in most, but not at all. 17:20.352 --> 17:22.174 But it's good Ansible. 17:22.194 --> 17:24.015 You're controlling state. 17:24.555 --> 17:29.078 I've never worried about double signing in these situations. 17:29.439 --> 17:33.842 I have fucking PTSD just with like 17:35.103 --> 17:43.949 the 14 chains I run with that noise that comes out of pager duty cuts, fuck, it cuts through my sleep like butter. 17:45.110 --> 17:49.213 And every time I hear it, it just, I die just a little bit. 17:50.154 --> 17:55.037 And I could, and it, it goes off enough with 14 main nets. 17:55.137 --> 18:03.303 I could imagine how fucking dead I would be if I had 50 networks running. 18:03.563 --> 18:03.723 Just, 18:04.420 --> 18:06.021 I'd be walking around crying all the time. 18:07.281 --> 18:14.205 I was watching something recently and the page you do sound went off in the show and I immediately like, what's that? 18:14.905 --> 18:16.986 Oh, there's a disturbance in the force. 18:17.046 --> 18:20.288 Yeah. 18:20.308 --> 18:26.511 I, I had a thing where my ringtone went and, and bear in mind, like our peak was like seven main nets. 18:26.571 --> 18:28.972 So even less than null, um, 18:30.376 --> 18:39.084 I had a thing where the special tone, which used to be the Juno Mainnet has had an issue. 18:39.825 --> 18:46.271 Notification went off and basically somebody was in work. 18:46.451 --> 18:47.692 Somebody came in and asked me a question. 18:47.732 --> 18:49.974 I was like, what the fuck? 18:50.254 --> 18:51.215 And then I was like, 18:52.287 --> 19:17.617 jesus if that is actual ptsd you're like and it turned out i just it was because it was after my phone so it's just a new phone that was just the default message tone it wasn't a special tone but i just had like a shout at somebody because they interrupted me realizing that everything was fucked and then being like oh no it's literally a text saying your parcel has arrived and i had to like had to like apologize and go out and get cookies i was like 19:18.214 --> 19:23.076 Sorry, that just triggered a really stressful memory for me, and I was a massive dick. 19:24.037 --> 19:25.137 I'm going to go buy cookies. 19:28.239 --> 19:31.201 It's an interesting apology strategy. 19:32.041 --> 19:32.441 Cookies. 19:33.682 --> 19:35.663 If you work in the same shared office for... 19:37.089 --> 19:42.651 over half a decade, like, um, and, and none of you like work on exactly this. 19:42.831 --> 19:55.456 Like there's some people who work for the same companies or work together or whatever, but mainly it's just, uh, you know, people have decided they, they wanna keep working with the same group of people. 19:56.336 --> 19:56.416 Um, 19:58.655 --> 20:07.940 you know, there's people, people pick up your lunch for you when you're having a bad day and, and bring it back and, you know, bring coffees and yada, yada, yada. 20:08.400 --> 20:13.963 So kind of like being a prick and like somebody like ask you a nice question while your phone's going off and you're like, what, what the fuck do you want, man? 20:14.824 --> 20:18.626 Uh, like it's very much like, uh, a contravention of the no dickheads policy. 20:18.866 --> 20:20.967 So, so British. 20:23.809 --> 20:23.969 What? 20:25.289 --> 20:26.150 Uh, that's funny. 20:26.630 --> 20:26.850 Huh? 20:27.310 --> 20:27.451 Huh? 20:27.671 --> 20:27.831 Huh? 20:29.256 --> 20:31.498 So, man, I'll tell you what. 20:32.980 --> 20:39.426 Contabo had these new Ryzen 9 servers, and I was all excited, and I ordered a fucking heap of them. 20:39.686 --> 20:40.167 Contabo? 20:40.427 --> 20:41.348 Contabo? 20:42.710 --> 20:43.610 Contabo? 20:43.630 --> 20:44.371 I don't know. 20:45.172 --> 20:46.253 Did you say Contabo? 20:47.254 --> 20:47.935 Contabo. 20:48.215 --> 20:48.796 Contabo. 20:49.701 --> 20:50.701 I'm pretty sure it's Contabo. 20:51.121 --> 20:51.301 Yeah. 20:51.481 --> 20:52.402 That's what I do. 20:52.482 --> 20:52.942 Contabo. 20:53.022 --> 20:53.262 Yeah. 20:53.582 --> 20:53.782 Yeah. 20:54.022 --> 20:57.383 I think it's the wrong emphasis, but yeah. 20:57.883 --> 20:58.283 Okay. 20:58.303 --> 20:58.843 Anyway. 20:58.903 --> 20:59.983 I also thought Alejo. 21:00.183 --> 21:01.364 So what the fuck do I know? 21:02.224 --> 21:06.105 I'm constantly putting the emphasis on the wrong syllable. 21:07.645 --> 21:11.046 It's such a fine line between stupid and clever. 21:11.066 --> 21:11.426 Anyway, I was... 21:16.738 --> 21:45.165 quite excited about these bloody things and now they just wait what's wrong so the delivery just keeps getting put out and out and out i don't think they're ever going to deliver these things i was so focused on your pronunciation i forgot what the problem was what what you ordered some new they had some what ryzen or something so they had to they had some new ryzen 9 servers i wanted to try out and they're all in asia and they've got like 35 terabytes of you know outbound 21:46.332 --> 21:49.553 And I was like, this is going to suit me down to the ground. 21:50.634 --> 21:53.274 And yeah, they're just never getting delivered. 21:53.495 --> 21:56.956 Ordered them probably like at least three weeks ago now. 21:57.816 --> 21:58.436 Oh, cancel. 21:59.296 --> 22:01.877 Delivery days keep going out and out and out and out. 22:04.218 --> 22:04.658 I'll keep them. 22:04.918 --> 22:05.919 I'll see when they get delivered. 22:05.939 --> 22:06.479 They might be good. 22:07.259 --> 22:08.340 Risins are showing up everywhere. 22:08.460 --> 22:13.161 And like, we've been really competitive pricing on a bunch of stuff right now, which has been really nice. 22:13.181 --> 22:15.582 So like Tyann have got just like, 22:16.841 --> 22:34.911 ryzen rack mount now so i think people are just slamming that into racks yeah i mean why not they're they're consuming chips but they're they're pretty good they like i mean they've been extremely stable for us right like we haven't any issues with that type of stuff the the bang for buck is good 22:35.527 --> 23:03.024 really good and they're fast chips like the the clock speeds are fast and i don't think like many people realize but that actually makes a difference on cosmos chains having fast threads um so you know having loads of threads is one thing but having fast threads is like another thing and if you're running something like injective fast threads matter um fast threads of this guy really matter on injective and people like i've got 60 cores man 23:05.086 --> 23:06.587 Why is this thing struggling? 23:06.627 --> 23:08.788 Because your fucking cores are like one megahertz. 23:10.248 --> 23:12.069 Exactly right, yeah. 23:12.409 --> 23:14.971 I got a hundred cores on fucking AWS. 23:15.051 --> 23:16.431 I spend 40 grand a month. 23:18.032 --> 23:19.373 That's a lot of shit. 23:19.933 --> 23:22.314 Well, they're just using the wrong fucking type, aren't they? 23:22.514 --> 23:23.715 You know, they should be using Cs. 23:24.635 --> 23:25.396 Yeah, man, Cs. 23:25.416 --> 23:27.557 No one here knows anything about AWS, bud. 23:28.097 --> 23:29.878 No, they should be using Cs. 23:30.698 --> 23:31.879 Don't worry, I understand. 23:31.999 --> 23:32.399 I got you. 23:35.090 --> 23:37.872 If you're going to spend your money, at least spend it on the right fucking thing. 23:37.952 --> 23:42.615 That's all I'm saying. 23:43.936 --> 23:50.882 I feel like such a dickhead when people ask me for help with something and they're like, yeah, I'm running an AWS whatever instance. 23:50.982 --> 23:54.885 Or they just tell me the instance name and assume that I know it's AWS. 23:54.925 --> 23:55.185 I'm like, 23:56.576 --> 24:00.599 Do you get on your bare metal high horse and just look down upon them? 24:00.619 --> 24:05.121 No, I get on Google and quickly Google it so I don't look like a dickhead. 24:05.181 --> 24:12.366 I'm like, what is this fucking thing that they're talking about? 24:12.626 --> 24:21.532 And then you open the dictionary and then you turn to the page that says dinosaur and then there's like a picture of you, like a bare metal server. 24:21.592 --> 24:21.952 Hey now. 24:23.253 --> 24:23.713 Data center. 24:24.244 --> 24:27.246 It's like when people come at me with Kubernetes as well. 24:27.306 --> 24:30.268 I don't know. 24:30.368 --> 24:36.732 I know Kubernetes and people get really impressed with K8 structures and huge Docker container management of Cosmos Node. 24:36.772 --> 24:38.173 And I go, okay, that's fine. 24:38.273 --> 24:40.495 I'm not impressed. 24:42.056 --> 24:43.977 It doesn't impress me. 24:43.997 --> 24:45.498 I understand it. 24:46.178 --> 24:47.039 Yagni, right? 24:47.699 --> 24:48.500 With a lot of this stuff. 24:49.244 --> 25:13.612 yeah like it's okay but i mean yeah unless you're unless you're managing a lot of infrastructure usually for one or two vertical applications just doesn't make loads of sense i don't know well you do have to other like without ansible or without like some sort of automation i totally get it like i completely understand it but 25:14.502 --> 25:22.780 But with those tool sets and being able to run bare metal, I think it's just far faster and less bullshit. 25:23.020 --> 25:25.025 Like, even all the stuff that you dealt with on the Apto stuff of, like, 25:25.731 --> 25:29.093 having to tear down through terraform, you know, taking half an hour, right? 25:29.113 --> 25:33.495 You'd miss a whole epic of shit because AWS is cycling through its bullshit, right? 25:33.775 --> 25:37.697 Well, you typically miss one proposal, right? 25:37.857 --> 25:39.258 Which is just that. 25:39.338 --> 25:44.541 And that's just because there is an abstraction around the container connecting to the ingress. 25:45.676 --> 25:49.797 And now everybody, we watch the fray frantically defend AWS. 25:51.738 --> 25:53.799 That's not true. 25:53.879 --> 25:58.060 If you had to tear down and reset up everything, not just the restart, but they actually tear everything down and restart. 25:58.120 --> 25:58.980 It took fucking forever. 25:59.020 --> 25:59.981 What are you talking about? 26:00.721 --> 26:03.762 It was like the slow motion of AWS automation kind of running that shit. 26:05.059 --> 26:06.260 Oh, yeah. 26:06.500 --> 26:09.641 So you're talking like 30 minutes, probably. 26:09.661 --> 26:24.188 But that's only because the way the key management works on Aptos, at least at the time, there are ways you can get around it that didn't support an external signer. 26:24.308 --> 26:29.811 So if it did support an external signer, then it would be instantaneous. 26:30.511 --> 26:31.012 And in fact, 26:31.952 --> 26:40.420 I mean, if you didn't need to move between accounts, you could even just bring up both and AB them within AWS. 26:40.740 --> 26:43.642 So, I mean, it's like anything else. 26:43.983 --> 26:53.611 The thing is right to, to write a really big complex Kubernetes Terraform stack is months and months of work, like months and months of full-time work. 26:53.931 --> 26:55.052 And then you have to maintain it. 26:55.973 --> 26:56.714 And it's, 26:58.706 --> 27:21.356 just not worth it for like 95 of things you can knock out a quick answerable script for the other five percent of things you can write a bash script for like none of what validator companies do if you're not as big as figment maybe or chorus one or one of those guys who have 27:22.620 --> 27:25.042 joiners, movers, leavers, like staff coming and going. 27:25.402 --> 27:30.146 And you need your code to document your processes. 27:30.687 --> 27:51.244 So when Billy fucking idiot, who's a fucking ops engineer, who's also highly invested in a diverse basket of shit coins, either A gets rich and quits or B goes to zero and has to run from his creditors. 27:51.864 --> 28:01.748 When he fucking ghosts you one way or the other, you have like some deployment scripts that are completely automated that manage all the infrastructure for you. 28:01.788 --> 28:07.509 And that's like a really great situation for Terraform or something like that, where you have the state externally managed. 28:07.990 --> 28:11.171 But in every other situation, you don't need it. 28:11.511 --> 28:20.554 I would say the other situation, which is really useful to have a fully Terraformed setup is, 28:21.765 --> 28:31.788 is if you have a newborn because the immutable infrastructure stops you from making major tired, idiot fuck-ups. 28:33.909 --> 28:36.370 And there was at least one time where something needed to be done 28:38.315 --> 28:58.575 uh back last april i guess and you know you're just like bashing away and you're like how the fuck what the and and then you like you the infrastructure setup goes like don't do that and you're like don't do that good idea i'm going to take your advice terraform command line um 28:59.318 --> 29:02.379 You know, granted, if you're running bare metal, you're not just going to nuke a box either. 29:02.459 --> 29:04.200 So it swings and roundabouts. 29:04.240 --> 29:14.545 But I certainly... I know that my blood pressure was lower when we were fully terraformed and I was super sleep deprived than when we migrated off of AWS. 29:15.065 --> 29:18.747 And I was still the same level of sleep deprived, but just on bare metal. 29:21.388 --> 29:25.290 I think that... I'm not disagreeing with that at all. 29:25.430 --> 29:27.731 I think that is a warm blanket of... 29:29.028 --> 29:31.350 Jeff Bezos and not a real bank blanket. 29:31.651 --> 29:35.374 Like it's just a, just a made believe make believe blanket of, of security. 29:35.414 --> 29:47.386 Like those redundancies are there, but not at that level where even, even if there's a massive hardware failure, like there's no guarantee that that's going to reprovision the same way and not have issues and all that kind of stuff. 29:47.406 --> 29:48.287 Like it's the same problem. 29:48.327 --> 29:48.487 Right. 29:48.527 --> 29:53.312 So, so like, I think you're probably a better bet would actually be to, 29:54.901 --> 30:02.206 like a kind of good halfway house is that it's very unlikely that you would fully lose, say, an EC2 instance. 30:04.007 --> 30:19.477 So like a kind of sick, twisted thing you can do with on-demand EC2 is you can change the node type and it will force rebuild, but with all state, if you have attached volumes. 30:19.918 --> 30:24.121 So in the absolute worst case scenario, you could literally reboot 30:25.622 --> 30:52.799 adjacent instance in an adjacent AZ either via a script or via a disaster recovery process or even via the fucking console and that would actually be like that's actually as practical a real world safety blanket for something like a signer going down as actually terraforming the entire thing because the reality is the instance launch time is going to take 30:53.911 --> 31:00.777 less than a minute and it will bootstrap on a new piece of hardware. 31:00.797 --> 31:07.903 I mean, it will be shared hardware somewhere, but it will be conceptually new from whatever the problem was that's taking you out elsewhere. 31:10.065 --> 31:15.951 But then, you know, if you buy a box from OVH, it's only going to be a two hour lead time for most things. 31:19.117 --> 31:21.259 If they have them and yeah, all those types of things. 31:21.299 --> 31:24.721 But yeah, we've had, we've been having, we've been having all sorts of, not all sorts. 31:24.741 --> 31:26.002 We've had a couple of hardware issues. 31:26.062 --> 31:29.744 I guess I'm talking about for like Cosmos here, like Cosmos is very consumer hardware. 31:29.764 --> 31:40.051 Like you could, uh, some of the boxes you can use for Cosmos, um, validators, they'll OVH on paper, say they'll deliver them to you in 72 seconds. 31:41.567 --> 32:06.761 right sure um you know stuff we need for aptos is like a week a week 10 days but like that's that's that's like a very different uh uh spec or whatever but like speaking of aptos upcoming testnet 3 null i know you're excited to hear about all of our testnet 3 stories coming again late february to a podcast near you going on to march we're going to drag it out through the summer 32:07.571 --> 32:16.093 They decided to once again, put the test now on a really inconvenient personal date for me, which is awesome. 32:16.193 --> 32:25.755 I love, I love it when, when these things happen around birthdays, anniversaries, you know, it's really great to explain to your, to your very patient family. 32:25.815 --> 32:28.476 Like, Hey, you know, that thing we have planned in for like six months. 32:29.336 --> 32:29.516 Dude. 32:31.136 --> 32:31.356 Yeah. 32:31.416 --> 32:31.556 Yeah. 32:31.596 --> 32:32.076 It's done. 32:32.257 --> 32:32.357 Yeah. 32:34.841 --> 32:36.943 What I say is this is where the money comes from. 32:37.603 --> 32:37.884 Okay. 32:37.924 --> 32:39.785 This is, this is where the money comes from. 32:39.805 --> 32:43.449 This is, I'm not like goofing around, although I am going to eat Denver maybe. 32:43.609 --> 32:44.650 And so that is goofing around. 32:44.690 --> 32:48.553 But other than that, this is, and Austin, do I need it? 32:48.593 --> 32:50.215 Do we need a seven person house for Austin? 32:50.335 --> 32:52.837 Maybe not, but it's where the money comes from. 32:52.897 --> 32:53.357 So, yeah. 32:53.958 --> 32:56.340 I mean, you're out there goofing every Wednesday night, man. 32:57.121 --> 32:57.301 I know. 32:58.018 --> 32:58.959 This is where the money comes from. 32:59.539 --> 33:04.323 Well, not this podcast, but that's between the four of us. 33:04.403 --> 33:10.468 Speaking about conferences, do we have the compound sorted yet? 33:11.409 --> 33:11.849 We don't. 33:12.490 --> 33:14.872 I do have some numbers in terms of people. 33:15.332 --> 33:24.480 I was waiting for some artifact numbers, which I think I have, which is going to be zero because it's too far away and they don't know how many people and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 33:24.640 --> 33:26.742 So I do think at least we have... 33:28.414 --> 33:55.491 six or seven so i was gonna i was gonna look for a place with one more bedroom one extra bedroom in case somebody else comes up and then go from there so i could start we could start looking now um and yep okay so artifact is going it's just they might have many is what you're saying correct yeah so i know because we were talking we were talking about it's funny enough we were talking about places for a half an hour and then at the end of the half an hour we suddenly realized that that 33:56.673 --> 34:22.130 he was talking about denver and i was talking about austin so the half an hour conversation was worth nothing and then he's like like austin i just don't know yet and i just not we're just not sure and so it might be just too far away to actually just define it so other than getting him like getting those guys four bedrooms which i think is too much or whatever else i think it might be better just to to separate um because right now like i'm looking for i'm looking for five six bedroom places and those are 34:23.389 --> 34:29.552 Those are really... They're starting to disappear because I assume other groups are getting places down there. 34:30.132 --> 34:32.233 All those foundations, baby. 34:32.833 --> 34:35.915 All those VC-funded foundations with dollars to burn. 34:37.295 --> 34:40.477 We should go to a trailer park and just raft up some trailers. 34:41.377 --> 34:41.997 We could do that too. 34:42.198 --> 34:42.558 I don't care. 34:42.778 --> 34:45.719 We could rent RVs and go find something. 34:45.739 --> 34:46.279 I don't care. 34:46.299 --> 34:47.140 It doesn't matter. 34:47.160 --> 34:47.860 Is there a... 34:51.698 --> 34:52.479 No, it's not. 34:52.679 --> 34:53.701 There's no lakes around there. 34:53.721 --> 34:56.484 I was going to say, is it like a boat Marine or something? 34:56.645 --> 34:59.328 There are lakes around there, but I think they're pretty far outside of town though. 35:00.349 --> 35:05.196 Like this is just, this is just the artifact boat in Amsterdam all over again. 35:06.536 --> 35:07.997 I heard that was cool. 35:08.357 --> 35:08.957 That's a good idea. 35:09.177 --> 35:13.199 It was an upmarket but slightly musty spelling houseboat. 35:13.700 --> 35:17.241 It was quite fancy and you were like, oh, this is fancy. 35:17.622 --> 35:23.104 And then you went down to the fridge and you got a beer and you're just sort of milling around inside before going upstairs to the deck. 35:23.685 --> 35:24.185 And you were like, 35:25.529 --> 35:26.109 Is that mold? 35:26.469 --> 35:28.170 It's just a little bit musty in here. 35:28.310 --> 35:29.130 Yeah. 35:29.650 --> 35:31.870 Yeah. 35:32.470 --> 35:36.411 You're like, maybe I'm just imagining things because yeah, maybe it's just the smell of the canal. 35:36.471 --> 35:38.472 I mean, the canal is not a hundred percent totally clean. 35:39.172 --> 35:40.792 So you're like, am I imagining things? 35:40.852 --> 35:41.852 Am I just trying to, yeah. 35:41.872 --> 35:43.393 Am I subconsciously just being a dick here? 35:43.413 --> 35:45.333 Am I just nagging on the canal boat? 35:46.353 --> 35:50.314 What you really don't want to do is turn on a black light at nighttime. 35:52.915 --> 35:53.135 Oh yeah. 35:55.839 --> 36:19.570 oh yeah well there's mold mold no like people hire them for like you know bucks parties and stuff right so for sexy parties i think that's what he said sexy party is that is that a stag do yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh yeah because i'm still down oh do you know what that didn't even occur to me so it's like skimpy juice and everything everywhere so 36:20.538 --> 36:21.338 what are these terms? 36:21.638 --> 36:23.959 You can make these up. 36:24.939 --> 36:25.720 I don't even want to know. 36:26.220 --> 36:30.021 I heard skimpy and then I heard stack stack party. 36:30.201 --> 36:30.781 Is that what you said? 36:32.402 --> 36:32.582 Yes. 36:32.642 --> 36:34.342 The phrase said stag party. 36:34.602 --> 36:46.386 I said, I said, I said, uh, so Rama's asking where his itinerary is for the, uh, the fucking trip to Rama. 36:46.406 --> 36:47.186 You can have a dude. 36:47.206 --> 36:47.866 You're welcome, man. 36:48.046 --> 36:48.467 Come on in. 36:48.687 --> 36:48.987 Fly in. 36:50.017 --> 36:50.617 Come on in. 36:50.637 --> 36:52.758 There's plenty of room for more degeneracy. 36:53.418 --> 36:57.119 I will tell you, Rama, when I booked my ticket, it was pretty cheap. 36:57.559 --> 36:58.519 So go have a look. 36:58.579 --> 37:00.780 Maybe you can get a week away. 37:00.840 --> 37:01.820 You can sleep on the floor. 37:02.620 --> 37:08.041 Maybe they'll do one of those Cosmos fight in the ring parties. 37:08.502 --> 37:08.942 That'd be fun. 37:09.982 --> 37:12.342 Yeah, like there'll be a catch. 37:13.403 --> 37:14.783 Rama versus whoever. 37:16.804 --> 37:18.364 Just this buff kangaroo shows up. 37:19.330 --> 37:20.230 Yeah, I wouldn't do that. 37:20.350 --> 37:21.831 I'm not going to mess with the kangaroo. 37:21.871 --> 37:23.871 Pound it out. 37:23.891 --> 37:24.852 That would be great. 37:24.872 --> 37:25.812 I knew this would happen. 37:26.232 --> 37:29.333 Oh my goodness. 37:31.653 --> 37:45.557 Yeah, but I mean... Any of our loyal listeners who are in this chat or elsewhere, if they want a room with some group approval, we can probably find a place if they're coming to Consensus in Austin. 37:47.833 --> 37:49.574 Not anybody off the street, come on. 37:49.654 --> 37:56.519 I mean, Funky's... Has Rama declared himself an employee of King Nose? 37:59.681 --> 38:00.061 There you go. 38:00.582 --> 38:02.403 Well, okay, so news just in. 38:02.743 --> 38:04.104 Rama now works for King Nose. 38:04.544 --> 38:05.085 That's that. 38:07.246 --> 38:14.371 Shall we do some... Oh, before we do some news... Rama's just dying inside every time you avoid the news. 38:14.912 --> 38:15.052 Oh! 38:15.072 --> 38:15.132 Yep. 38:17.995 --> 38:19.876 What do you got? 38:19.916 --> 38:20.877 Left page or right page? 38:23.098 --> 38:23.338 Left. 38:24.118 --> 38:24.539 In the middle. 38:27.640 --> 38:27.960 Okay. 38:28.581 --> 38:30.202 We're in the section marked Twitter. 38:32.003 --> 38:33.463 X. Me. 38:34.584 --> 38:40.587 Sorry, I must turn down your offer to join the Mafia as it would disappoint my friends on Twitter. 38:41.588 --> 38:42.328 The Mafia. 38:43.389 --> 38:44.910 The Mafia respects your decision. 38:47.904 --> 38:48.204 Yes. 38:50.226 --> 38:50.466 Yeah. 38:52.447 --> 38:52.968 So there you go. 38:53.008 --> 38:54.669 That's the drill tweet of the week. 38:57.050 --> 38:58.591 I guess we've all been in that situation. 38:58.611 --> 38:59.672 That's quite relatable. 39:07.077 --> 39:08.938 Ramos has a long one today, but not much in it. 39:09.099 --> 39:13.802 I assume he's... I'm not sure if that was the drill tweet or just this podcast in general. 39:13.822 --> 39:15.303 This podcast in general. 39:16.870 --> 39:17.850 It's always possible. 39:17.890 --> 39:19.411 Feels like hours. 39:20.472 --> 39:25.916 So I also tracked down a source for Slapshot the other day. 39:26.757 --> 39:27.858 Classic date. 39:28.318 --> 39:39.927 You found the VHS in a dirty fucking I was just going around every charity shop in the north of England trying to find a copy of it. 39:40.147 --> 39:45.771 Just like flicking through like Paul Newman, Paul Newman, Paul Newman and it's just like some other Paul Newman film like fucking get that out of here. 39:46.305 --> 39:51.770 Poor Newman, poor Newman, poor Newman, poor Newman, poor Newman until the slap shot. 39:52.730 --> 40:00.697 Yeah, my review would be the hockey bits for when that film was made were really well filmed. 40:02.038 --> 40:02.219 Okay. 40:02.921 --> 40:12.492 I was like, the camera work during the hockey scenes, I was like, genuinely, this is very impressive for the late 70s, the cinematography on the ice. 40:12.752 --> 40:16.076 I was like, this must have been really tricky to do. 40:19.030 --> 40:42.338 because it's all it's done like quite stylish it's done like like kind of leg level and and it's really dynamic like i don't know all of those bits i was just like i know that's not the point of the film but i i was watching it and was like wow and then my other half turns to me and it's like this is really dynamic camera work for whenever this film was made and i was fucking literally like that's why i married you yeah yeah i was literally like 40:43.078 --> 40:44.259 That is just a good take. 40:44.499 --> 40:46.301 We're both having such good takes. 40:48.082 --> 40:53.146 Yeah, some bits of the film really haven't aged well and some bits have aged extraordinarily well. 40:54.907 --> 40:59.211 The weird bit where he just fucking stalks that guy's wife. 41:00.638 --> 41:02.841 just for a bit. 41:03.101 --> 41:04.883 Oh, yeah. 41:05.204 --> 41:06.465 He's really rapey. 41:06.526 --> 41:07.527 It's really not cool. 41:08.368 --> 41:09.469 You mean Paul? 41:09.770 --> 41:10.050 Yeah. 41:10.631 --> 41:11.832 He just follows her back. 41:11.872 --> 41:14.235 Does he follow her back to her house? 41:14.456 --> 41:15.417 No, he gets in her car. 41:15.437 --> 41:16.358 She's like, get out. 41:16.398 --> 41:17.019 He's like, nope. 41:18.416 --> 41:20.377 And you're like, Ooh. 41:20.978 --> 41:22.799 And he's just like, how about a kiss? 41:22.859 --> 41:28.863 And you're like, Ooh, it's just like, and then she's just like driving, be like, get out of my car. 41:28.883 --> 41:29.784 And he's like, Nope. 41:30.284 --> 41:33.566 And then she drops him at his house and he's just like, Oh, I hate to get out. 41:33.726 --> 41:34.907 And she's like, get out. 41:36.368 --> 41:40.691 You're a bit like, and then like he, he's talking to somebody else. 41:40.711 --> 41:42.472 He's just like, I'm just trying to make him mad. 41:42.933 --> 41:46.175 But you're like, I don't know, man. 41:46.195 --> 41:46.355 Yeah. 41:49.132 --> 42:11.662 uh yes quite there's quite a lot of homophobia in there isn't as well there is yeah for sure it's a 70s movie right yeah it comes across as a 70s i remember distinctly there being a line like i don't care that you're up but also you are and you're like well there's a way to throw that away in the same sense yeah yeah uh 42:12.369 --> 42:13.690 But yeah, no, I don't know. 42:13.970 --> 42:17.592 All things considered, I thought it was actually a much better film that had any right to be. 42:17.892 --> 42:18.412 Slapshot. 42:19.153 --> 42:19.953 It's a good book. 42:20.314 --> 42:21.955 It is a look. 42:22.435 --> 42:23.615 It represents that time. 42:25.196 --> 42:26.217 Stuff on the ice is great. 42:26.337 --> 42:27.157 Camera work is great. 42:27.178 --> 42:28.018 It's a movie that was great. 42:28.578 --> 42:29.299 Hansons are fun. 42:29.319 --> 42:32.821 Do you know what? 42:32.981 --> 42:39.965 I don't want to over-inflate a sense of importance, but I thought that it made a lot of the same points as The Deer Hunter. 42:40.947 --> 42:42.488 but with a much shorter runtime. 42:43.408 --> 42:43.628 Yeah. 42:44.669 --> 42:45.889 So I would also say that for it. 42:46.189 --> 43:06.558 I mean, like all of the stuff that's going on in the background of like the town, all of the, the, the shots that they take where they're showing you like what's happening by just the chimneys on, are the chimneys not like at the beginning of the, of the thing where you can see that they're running like multiple shifts and then halfway through that, like they show about the same time in the evening and the chimneys aren't on. 43:06.578 --> 43:07.839 So you're like, what are they doing? 43:07.879 --> 43:08.479 Fewer shifts. 43:08.539 --> 43:09.400 And there's just, 43:10.580 --> 43:10.820 I don't know. 43:10.860 --> 43:13.965 Maybe I was just hallucinating that stuff, but I felt like they did quite a bit of show. 43:13.985 --> 43:15.948 Don't tell them the, um, the way it was shot. 43:16.088 --> 43:23.459 And then obviously they do tell you quite a lot of what is then like the background and, you know, the, the manufacturing and everything. 43:23.599 --> 43:26.623 Any, anyway, whatever, man, like I thought it was a really good film. 43:28.196 --> 43:51.179 uh you know as a kind of fun stuff funny funny film bit of seriousness behind it as well you know it has like it has some ties not ties but it has some similar storylines to like major league and those types of things because you know they get sold and all this kind of shit and the owner's a piece of shit and all that kind of stuff but i do like the owner in in slapshot that that whole like kind of storyline is hilarious and i love that there's like no resolution to this movie 43:52.093 --> 44:15.951 like yeah it's not like it's not like major league where they win the world series like no they just they fucking lose and the guy takes off his pants and skates around the rink and they say fuck it and roll credits like that's that's literally the movie so yeah they're taking off the pants you're just like i don't really get what's happening here and then they just give them the crow they're just like well fuck this this is already a fast there you go you win i guess whatever go fuck yourselves and you're like 44:16.892 --> 44:17.933 Did they really earn that? 44:18.173 --> 44:18.713 No, they didn't. 44:18.914 --> 44:20.395 But then, was that the point of the film? 44:20.495 --> 44:21.055 No, it wasn't. 44:21.236 --> 44:27.120 And then, yeah, this is like roll credits, and you're like... Well, nothing was resolved. 44:28.081 --> 44:28.782 Nothing was resolved. 44:28.822 --> 44:29.122 Zero. 44:29.142 --> 44:29.802 Nothing was resolved. 44:29.963 --> 44:33.585 It reminds me... That is a great movie ending, because... 44:34.585 --> 44:37.166 Now, in today's world, all these fucking movies are resolved. 44:37.186 --> 44:41.988 Well, have you also noticed just how long it takes to wrap up a movie these days? 44:42.488 --> 44:48.930 Like, the wrap-up section, like, when they're just like, and now we all need to make sure that every character has a little coda. 44:48.950 --> 44:53.911 And, like, if you watch, like, an old... Even, like, watch Escape from New York. 44:54.372 --> 44:54.892 Literally... 44:55.652 --> 45:15.948 like the president's just like blah blah blah blah blah he's like call me peliskin and then fucking roll credits like there's so many good films from like the 80s and whatever where they're just like they are literally like the film is over it is done you're like what the fuck happened like have you ever seen like it's supposedly tarantino's favorite film 45:16.887 --> 45:21.351 It's like a schlocky revenge, revenge flick. 45:21.511 --> 45:32.539 And it is probably the most role credit C of role credit C films where the action transpires and they're barely even done with the action. 45:32.559 --> 45:35.341 And they're like, right, may as well just call it there. 45:35.662 --> 45:36.843 I think everybody gets the point. 45:38.754 --> 45:39.915 Which one was that one? 45:40.416 --> 45:41.136 Rolling Thunder. 45:41.156 --> 45:42.497 Oh, yeah. 45:42.858 --> 45:43.958 Absolute smashing. 45:46.260 --> 45:53.686 There used to be a film night in the city where they had grindhouse type and all sorts of stuff. 45:53.906 --> 45:56.829 I think I mentioned it before, like Turkish Star Wars and all these weird... 45:58.275 --> 46:26.754 lady terminator and loads of kaiju movies and yada yada yada like all these old weird films and uh i really distinctly remember watching this in a room full of people and there was like american hardware as well and some of those like screamers and yada yada a lot of schlocky sci-fi actually but i really remember when they had the line there's like a line that's something like he's in there what are we going to do well we're going to kill him 46:27.250 --> 46:28.831 and maybe eight to 10 Mexicans. 46:29.431 --> 46:36.935 There's like 40 people in this basement all drinking beer, and everybody just looks at each other and starts laughing. 46:37.235 --> 46:42.278 It's not supposed to be funny, but just like the dialogue in that fucking film is insanity. 46:42.298 --> 46:47.700 It's got really young Tommy Lee Jones in it as well, hasn't it? 46:47.720 --> 46:50.282 Oh, does it? 46:50.302 --> 46:54.484 In fact, that line, I think that line is of the young Tommy Lee Jones. 46:56.243 --> 47:10.073 I'm sure somebody who doing a video essay on YouTube has tried to tie together Johnny, uh, Johnny Lee Jones, Tommy Lee Jones's character from that film and his character in, uh, uh, no country for old men. 47:10.674 --> 47:11.214 That's a video. 47:11.314 --> 47:12.755 So that's a video. 47:12.855 --> 47:23.483 So I want to see it's the same character from rolling thunder, Vietnam vet all the way to retired policemen, semi-retired policemen in, uh, no country for old men. 47:23.984 --> 47:24.164 Anyway, 47:25.796 --> 47:40.089 The one thing about Slapshot is no matter what, when I hear the Star-Spangled Banner, when one of the hands says, 47:42.372 --> 47:44.013 like I hear that in my head every time. 47:44.053 --> 47:46.713 And so I say it out loud in the middle of wherever we're standing. 47:46.793 --> 47:51.495 So we'll be like, I was at a meet this weekend for one of my kids and then they're playing a star spinal bear. 47:51.535 --> 47:55.996 And like, I'm just saying, I'm literally saying out loud, listen to the book. 47:56.056 --> 47:57.156 It's like right at the same time. 47:57.196 --> 47:58.317 Cause I know exactly when that is. 47:58.577 --> 47:59.897 So that's when you start. 47:59.937 --> 48:00.938 That is the best. 48:01.198 --> 48:04.659 The film is, is almost worth it just for that one. 48:04.839 --> 48:05.419 Those moments. 48:05.879 --> 48:06.939 There's some really good moments in there. 48:06.959 --> 48:09.160 Like where the, like, I feel like, 48:10.788 --> 48:14.531 There's something just beautiful about the fact that he is in the wrong. 48:14.831 --> 48:15.732 He is in the wrong. 48:15.792 --> 48:16.833 He is the bad guy. 48:16.853 --> 48:22.257 And the other guy is the good guy and is quite legitimately telling him off. 48:23.018 --> 48:29.142 And yet he's still just like, try to listen to the fucking song. 48:29.162 --> 48:30.804 I laughed very out loud at that. 48:31.284 --> 48:33.585 I think that's the single best moment in the film. 48:34.105 --> 48:34.485 It might be. 48:34.705 --> 48:34.945 I know. 48:35.045 --> 48:35.506 It's silly. 48:36.126 --> 48:37.566 It's just too good. 48:37.766 --> 48:40.968 I also just like the way they're all fucked up as well. 48:41.088 --> 48:43.369 They've got their stupid glasses and everything. 48:44.329 --> 48:45.009 Dave's a killer. 48:45.669 --> 48:46.470 Dave's a mess. 48:47.230 --> 48:49.931 There's some good stuff in that one. 48:49.951 --> 48:51.912 There's just lots of good stuff in there. 48:51.932 --> 48:52.532 Slapshot. 48:53.012 --> 48:53.692 Highly recommended. 48:54.113 --> 48:55.953 Certified Game of Nodes fresh. 48:56.634 --> 48:59.034 It's very US film. 48:59.495 --> 49:00.495 Yes, for sure. 49:03.351 --> 49:28.000 so what do we got we have some news no it's like i don't give a about this film i watched it like four weeks ago and i did not well now that no well yeah i don't think yeah i stopped i've just been texting someone else i don't even know what the you're talking about rude i like i i heard the chimneys being on and off like show don't tell and i was like who gives a 49:31.989 --> 49:51.322 i get to be fair people often say like culturally australia is like 20 30 years behind some other places so maybe movie criticism hasn't really hit you i mean i mean i don't i don't watch a movie and like look at the chimneys with see whether there's smoke coming out or not like 49:53.288 --> 50:01.772 How would you get the metaphor of the wider state of American manufacturing and its economic consequences on the hockey team? 50:01.792 --> 50:03.433 I mean, they just don't give a fuck. 50:08.736 --> 50:12.557 When I'm watching a movie, I'm barely watching the fucking thing anyway these days. 50:12.617 --> 50:15.559 I've got attention span of a goldfish. 50:19.081 --> 50:21.802 But anyway, do we have any news today? 50:22.657 --> 50:23.157 There is some. 50:23.357 --> 50:25.217 Have you not even read the fucking spreadsheet already? 50:26.078 --> 50:27.018 I'm on my laptop, man. 50:27.038 --> 50:28.358 I don't have room for a spreadsheet. 50:28.418 --> 50:33.019 I've got the screen with your faces on it and the chat. 50:33.679 --> 50:34.679 That's all you need. 50:35.479 --> 50:37.359 Funky said he watched that. 50:37.399 --> 50:40.260 He remembered an old episode where we were talking about Stargate. 50:40.660 --> 50:42.260 That is a film I want to re-watch. 50:43.921 --> 50:44.961 Do you remember that? 50:44.981 --> 50:46.481 Like SG-1? 50:46.521 --> 50:48.941 The film that preceded the TV series. 50:49.481 --> 50:51.362 Oh yeah, but like that same shit. 50:52.062 --> 50:52.522 Does it really? 50:54.932 --> 50:55.372 I think so. 50:55.532 --> 50:55.732 Yeah. 50:55.792 --> 50:56.373 I watched it. 50:56.393 --> 50:58.234 I don't know, two years ago or so. 50:58.874 --> 51:01.416 And it may not be quite as good as I remember being. 51:01.436 --> 51:06.418 Cause I watched it first time when I was like eight, but 20 years later, still great. 51:08.820 --> 51:09.840 I was actually just going through. 51:10.220 --> 51:10.400 Yeah. 51:10.440 --> 51:14.963 I was actually just going, my kids are at the age now where I started to expose them to like, not, not slapshot. 51:14.983 --> 51:20.746 We're, we're a couple of years from now at least, but, but like, I'm looking at like the blues brothers and like Stargate would be one of those. 51:20.806 --> 51:24.288 I think they're probably ready for my older one, alien one. 51:24.946 --> 51:47.647 like like that type of alien it's alien what is horror like alien 2 alien 2 is gonzo fun alien 1 that is that's nightmare that's nightmare fuel right okay maybe not alien 1 all right fair enough they've gone through like raiders and that kind of stuff and so like i think i saw predator when i was like 9 or 10 predator maybe maybe either too 51:48.735 --> 51:53.657 But like, I don't think I saw alien until the actual rating. 51:53.717 --> 51:55.317 Like, I don't think I saw alien until I was about 15. 51:55.738 --> 52:02.700 And I was like, I mean, it is, it is something it's it's it's yeah. 52:04.321 --> 52:04.501 Yeah. 52:04.938 --> 52:10.603 I have one cocky kid who thinks he can watch anything at that age, and so I kind of want to put him in his place. 52:11.123 --> 52:12.324 Do it. 52:12.384 --> 52:13.205 I've changed my mind. 52:13.465 --> 52:15.527 I'm fully on board. 52:15.927 --> 52:18.209 Just drive one child to nightmares. 52:18.269 --> 52:20.811 Hey! 52:21.091 --> 52:23.693 Blade Runner. 52:24.334 --> 52:25.415 That's a cracking film. 52:26.095 --> 52:26.335 It is. 52:26.415 --> 52:27.156 It's too boring, though. 52:27.536 --> 52:31.339 When are you going to play them the Russell Crowe filmography? 52:32.801 --> 52:34.322 Start getting into some Gladiator. 52:35.091 --> 52:36.072 Yeah, gladiator. 52:36.092 --> 52:37.154 They'd be ready for gladiator. 52:37.234 --> 52:38.095 Gladiator is longer. 52:38.155 --> 52:39.396 Master and commander. 52:39.817 --> 52:41.579 Well, master and commander. 52:42.039 --> 52:44.562 Gladiator is longer than you think with less action. 52:44.642 --> 52:45.263 Oh my goodness. 52:45.423 --> 52:46.344 It's all front loaded. 52:47.025 --> 52:48.607 Ben Davis, there you go. 52:48.687 --> 52:51.230 Actually, it was Null who mentioned master and commander. 52:51.851 --> 52:52.432 How'd that come up? 52:52.452 --> 52:54.014 Yeah. 52:54.114 --> 52:54.314 Yeah. 52:55.666 --> 53:01.428 In the chat, Ben Davis has just said, the only films that ever freaked me out was Face Off, which has to be a lie. 53:02.209 --> 53:02.729 That has to be. 53:03.129 --> 53:05.470 I've only seen parts of it. 53:05.570 --> 53:07.911 I've seen parts of it. 53:08.831 --> 53:11.132 Face Off is an amazing, stupid film. 53:11.372 --> 53:12.253 Hey, have you seen The Rock? 53:13.353 --> 53:16.534 Yeah, I was just watching The Rock clips on YouTube, actually. 53:16.554 --> 53:18.115 Because you know there was always that thing. 53:20.073 --> 53:24.137 In the UK, it's been kind of a joke that people would just be like, oh, it's Sean Connery. 53:24.157 --> 53:27.780 Yeah, it's a Bond film for ages. 53:28.040 --> 53:32.283 Finally, somebody put that into a video essay on YouTube, and that's now like, that is canon. 53:33.264 --> 53:43.913 I don't know why those... I don't know if it's maybe some sort of... Maybe it's an anniversary or something coming up, because it's showing up everywhere now. 53:43.933 --> 53:48.236 The whole thing about 007, like James Bond, because it's like the 007 is just a 53:51.034 --> 54:13.591 a number right and so different people occupy it at different times so that understood the the additional like the additional reddit the addition to that i think it was reddit is like oh yeah well the james bond the name is also like obviously it's a pseudonym because he goes around everywhere being like i'm james bond which you wouldn't do if it was your your fucking 54:14.932 --> 54:20.496 You would only do it if people were expected to already know, oh, yeah, that's the assassin who works for MI6, right? 54:22.437 --> 54:24.719 So what's Sean Connery's best role? 54:26.240 --> 54:26.460 The Rock. 54:26.480 --> 54:27.101 What do you think he'll be? 54:27.341 --> 54:30.103 It's not going to be The Rock. 54:30.143 --> 54:31.143 I don't think it's going to be The Rock. 54:31.163 --> 54:31.684 Zardos. 54:31.764 --> 54:33.185 It's Zardos, without a doubt, right? 54:33.905 --> 54:34.626 No way. 54:34.706 --> 54:35.226 Highlander. 54:35.706 --> 54:38.829 His fake Spanish accent that happens to sound like a Scottish accent. 54:38.849 --> 54:38.929 Yeah. 54:40.840 --> 54:59.576 oh my god yes yes because there's the scene in the boat isn't there where the guy who's supposed to have the scottish accent but is like dutch is like he's like ah yes how are you having such a strange accent and he's just like yeah she's actually a very arrogant 55:03.980 --> 55:06.862 And literally, there's just a Dutch guy talking to a Scottish guy. 55:06.882 --> 55:08.584 And one of them is like, no, I am Spanish. 55:08.644 --> 55:10.625 And the other is going, yeah, I am Scottish. 55:13.948 --> 55:14.788 Fucking Zardoz. 55:14.848 --> 55:15.389 God damn it. 55:15.869 --> 55:17.350 Zardoz, that is a film. 55:17.390 --> 55:18.951 That is one of the films of all time. 55:21.013 --> 55:22.594 Have you seen Zardoz, Schultzy? 55:25.116 --> 55:26.637 That's that poster behind you, isn't it? 55:26.657 --> 55:27.618 Is that a Zardoz poster? 55:27.638 --> 55:27.738 Yeah. 55:28.683 --> 55:28.923 What? 55:28.963 --> 55:29.344 Right there? 55:29.965 --> 55:30.425 No. 55:30.445 --> 55:32.508 That's from Dark Souls is what that is. 55:32.608 --> 55:33.489 How do you spell that? 55:33.509 --> 55:36.313 Dark Souls is very, very heavily influenced by Zardos. 55:36.333 --> 55:36.714 Z-A-R-D-O-Z. 55:44.003 --> 56:09.225 um so he's made some films literally like the first minute of zardos a floating head comes into screen throwing guns out and i think the chant coming from the head which is something like kill the men worship the penis is that right is something like that i've seen this i'm wrong i've seen this 56:10.111 --> 56:29.483 yeah it is a wonderfully deranged film it's it was i think it was one of those movies that was like you know a weird rich person's tax break and um sean connery knew the guy was like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah 56:34.670 --> 56:35.110 How much? 56:35.750 --> 56:36.150 Exactly. 56:36.370 --> 56:37.791 Yeah. 56:38.831 --> 56:40.931 What's Sean Connery's favorite? 56:42.672 --> 56:43.052 No, wait. 56:43.572 --> 56:44.252 I've forgotten the joke. 56:44.292 --> 56:44.652 It's fine. 56:44.732 --> 56:45.212 Forget about it. 56:45.252 --> 56:45.753 Let's move on. 56:46.513 --> 56:48.353 Sure, sure. 56:48.813 --> 56:51.994 What's any advance in Zardos as the best Sean Connery film? 56:52.614 --> 56:54.234 I think that cannot be our viewpoint. 56:57.455 --> 56:58.695 Feel free to advance another one. 56:58.775 --> 57:00.056 Indiana Jones, The Last Crusade. 57:00.076 --> 57:01.736 The Untouchables. 57:03.977 --> 57:05.097 One of the Bond movies. 57:05.578 --> 57:08.859 He's just like, oh, I'm just an Irish beat cop. 57:09.999 --> 57:11.200 That was a good fucking movie, though. 57:11.260 --> 57:11.900 That was a good movie. 57:11.920 --> 57:13.360 I mean, it's all right. 57:14.961 --> 57:22.404 Oh, and it does have the amazingly racist line where he goes, Shirley Wap, you brought a knife to a gunfight and then immediately get shot. 57:23.404 --> 57:24.004 Yes, he does. 57:24.964 --> 57:28.246 You're like, no, he brought a gun to a gunfight. 57:29.966 --> 57:30.546 Yeah. 57:30.566 --> 57:31.307 Zardoz. 57:32.890 --> 58:00.320 movie had an incredibly large budget one deniro garcia five seven million huge oh in the chat we have outland allen's yeah that's the one with the that is that the one the mining colony where he's like the policeman i don't know is that a connery movie outland 1981 58:02.947 --> 58:05.028 Described as high noon in space. 58:05.888 --> 58:10.409 It looks pretty cool. 58:10.809 --> 58:22.932 Incidentally, I rewatched high noon a while ago because I had this sudden realization that Die Hard is high noon after a fashion. 58:22.952 --> 58:26.493 And that's another film that's very, very good. 58:33.566 --> 58:35.707 Okay, well, Zardoz, there you go. 58:35.887 --> 58:36.828 Nobody's advanced it. 58:37.028 --> 58:42.592 And we're not having... We can't have supporting actor. 58:42.612 --> 58:47.155 We can't have Last Crusade, which is not that good. 58:47.175 --> 58:52.298 I mean, it's not as good as the original, but it's a pretty fucking good movie. 58:52.638 --> 58:53.299 It's all right. 58:53.799 --> 58:54.339 It's okay. 58:54.439 --> 58:55.600 It's a nice story. 58:55.920 --> 58:57.962 I would say Goldfinger would be my favorite, but I don't know. 58:58.662 --> 58:59.323 Goldfinger? 59:00.864 --> 59:01.444 Of the Bond movies? 59:02.025 --> 59:03.046 Yeah, we're going to allow it. 59:03.066 --> 59:03.746 Yeah, that's good. 59:07.888 --> 59:12.191 Yeah, well, I think my favorite Bond film would probably be Casino Royale, actually. 59:12.211 --> 59:14.392 The first of the Craigs. 59:15.493 --> 59:17.894 But I do like Thunderball. 59:17.914 --> 59:19.515 I have a lot of time for Thunderball. 59:20.595 --> 59:20.836 Yeah. 59:22.917 --> 59:24.037 Hunt for Red October, maybe? 59:24.057 --> 59:24.598 No. 59:25.698 --> 59:26.599 Oh, yeah, no. 59:26.699 --> 59:28.280 You don't respond well to Borch. 59:30.746 --> 59:32.327 It's also got Sam Neill in it, hasn't it? 59:33.208 --> 59:35.049 I would have liked to have seen Montana. 59:36.110 --> 59:36.510 It does. 59:37.090 --> 59:44.175 Sam Neill's accent is fucking terrible. 59:44.555 --> 59:53.482 While the Americans listen to their rock and roll, all they will hear will be the sound of our laughter as we conduct missile drills. 59:56.361 --> 59:58.342 That might be homework for this week is to watch that movie again. 59:58.362 --> 59:59.322 I haven't seen that movie for ages. 59:59.402 --> 01:00:00.363 It's such a good film. 01:00:00.383 --> 01:00:01.803 I think early Alec Baldwin too. 01:00:01.883 --> 01:00:05.885 Austin Powers is the best 007 movies by far. 01:00:06.045 --> 01:00:06.445 Bar none. 01:00:06.725 --> 01:00:07.625 Austin Powers for sure. 01:00:10.006 --> 01:00:10.246 What? 01:00:11.887 --> 01:00:14.248 Austin Powers is the best 007 movies in my opinion. 01:00:14.288 --> 01:00:14.788 Bond films. 01:00:15.988 --> 01:00:17.189 Austin Powers isn't a Bond film. 01:00:19.266 --> 01:00:21.127 I mean, isn't it though? 01:00:21.947 --> 01:00:22.808 It's the American version. 01:00:22.828 --> 01:00:26.089 Well, it was a comedy. 01:00:26.109 --> 01:00:30.091 It has to be in the arc of Bond films. 01:00:30.791 --> 01:00:31.852 I think I would contest that. 01:00:31.972 --> 01:00:40.275 I think that pre-Austin Powers, Bond was way more campy than the more modern things. 01:00:40.295 --> 01:00:47.018 I think that Austin Powers actually had a negative effect on Bond films because it couldn't be nearly as campy after Austin Powers because they leaned into it too hard. 01:00:47.478 --> 01:00:48.719 So I would contest that for sure. 01:00:49.560 --> 01:00:54.242 Well, no, it's because you're remembering Roger Moore, and then the Brosnan years were very different. 01:00:54.262 --> 01:00:56.903 The Brosnan years weren't bad, though. 01:00:57.063 --> 01:00:58.784 I thought he got a bum rap, honestly. 01:00:59.124 --> 01:01:03.306 I think Goldeneye was probably one of the best. 01:01:04.966 --> 01:01:12.207 And the tank scene, to film that, they just bought three tanks and smashed them through St. 01:01:12.267 --> 01:01:12.968 Petersburg. 01:01:14.128 --> 01:01:15.908 You know the scene where it drifts around the corner? 01:01:15.928 --> 01:01:17.248 They actually did that. 01:01:17.928 --> 01:01:30.871 They just flooded the street with liquid detergent so that it was basically a skating rink and then drove the tank at top speed and slammed the fucking brakes and just drifted it around the corner. 01:01:33.584 --> 01:01:34.564 Absolutely mad stuff. 01:01:35.285 --> 01:01:35.685 Totally. 01:01:35.945 --> 01:01:36.105 Yeah. 01:01:36.325 --> 01:01:37.225 Anyway, whatever. 01:01:38.826 --> 01:01:39.486 Yeah, there you go. 01:01:39.526 --> 01:01:40.987 Funky says in the chat, it's a parody. 01:01:41.147 --> 01:01:42.648 That's the word I was looking for. 01:01:45.309 --> 01:01:46.169 I'm fine with that. 01:01:46.209 --> 01:01:49.890 I won't contest it's a parody, but that doesn't mean it can't still be the best one. 01:01:50.751 --> 01:01:53.091 Well, but it's not a Bond film and it never mentions Bond or 007. 01:01:53.452 --> 01:02:02.175 So if it was like, this is a parody, you can't say it's a Bond film if it doesn't have a character called James Bond in it. 01:02:04.672 --> 01:02:07.814 Or 007 at the very least. 01:02:07.834 --> 01:02:08.594 Tomato, tomato. 01:02:08.815 --> 01:02:09.375 Yeah, exactly. 01:02:09.515 --> 01:02:10.596 It's not tomato, tomato. 01:02:10.656 --> 01:02:12.898 It's a different film franchise. 01:02:14.259 --> 01:02:19.703 That's like saying that some connection between two films can mean that they're the same thing. 01:02:19.743 --> 01:02:23.846 It's like saying Les Mis is the same as Master and Commander because Russell Crowe is in both. 01:02:25.527 --> 01:02:26.027 Isn't it though? 01:02:26.047 --> 01:02:26.127 Yeah. 01:02:29.577 --> 01:02:32.138 Scott Glenn, Sam Neill, James Earl Jones is in it. 01:02:32.778 --> 01:02:33.338 Oh my goodness. 01:02:33.518 --> 01:02:33.858 The Hunt. 01:02:33.918 --> 01:02:34.939 I got to go back and watch that. 01:02:35.739 --> 01:02:36.839 It's so, so good. 01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:40.380 Sam Neill's Russian accent might be one of the best. 01:02:41.341 --> 01:02:41.861 It's amazing. 01:02:42.841 --> 01:02:51.344 The only thing that's a bit disappointing is that obviously they then made Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger and they're just okay. 01:02:52.484 --> 01:02:54.144 That's with Harrison Ford though, right? 01:02:54.645 --> 01:02:55.725 Both of those are Harrison Ford movies? 01:02:57.182 --> 01:03:18.799 yeah because alec in patriot games no i thought it was wasn't i know actually yeah i think it's i think it's i can check i think it's yeah no it's it's harrison so harrison took that over for alec baldwin i don't know why maybe i mean harrison's a better jack ryan to be in my opinion but whatever he was but alec baldwin was like perfect for that for hunt yeah 01:03:21.593 --> 01:03:43.054 yeah i think i don't know i think i think alec baldwin does because the whole point is jack ryan's not supposed to be like a super like an action hero he's he's an analyst right just a guy in the wrong place at the wrong time he's just a guy that works in the pentagon who gets told to go in the north atlantic right and and over time his character became more and more warped as these 01:03:45.489 --> 01:03:46.089 As one does. 01:03:46.109 --> 01:03:55.437 To be fair, if you look at our journey on this podcast, you're like, we were just infrastructure engineers that became more and more warped, more and more tainted. 01:04:01.781 --> 01:04:04.063 I guess we're going to say Hunt for Red October. 01:04:05.004 --> 01:04:10.468 That can't be the best popcorn movie. 01:04:10.508 --> 01:04:11.089 That's pretty rough. 01:04:12.150 --> 01:04:12.570 I don't know. 01:04:13.130 --> 01:04:13.811 Maybe Undecided. 01:04:16.045 --> 01:04:18.527 I can't think of a better one off the top of my head. 01:04:18.547 --> 01:04:27.273 I was trying to find it. 01:04:28.213 --> 01:04:33.017 You're talking about the downward spiral from a retweet after last week's episode. 01:04:34.037 --> 01:04:39.501 Zach Bull says, now that the ETF is approved, this is going back to the BTC ETF that was approved last week while we were on. 01:04:40.081 --> 01:04:44.945 Now that the ETF is approved, normal people will be able to invest in crypto instead of just the mentally ill. 01:04:46.707 --> 01:05:09.947 perfect great tweet amazing um so yeah i mean that was a fun thing that happened obviously on last week's uh yeah on last week's show i think that i i mean it's been interesting as well seeing a lot of the discussion here because obviously there's a current kind of live discussion about tokenization the investment association's uh report that was out the other week and 01:05:11.108 --> 01:05:40.021 um i saw some of the discussion going on about that as well and it kind of seems like from a regulation perspective like for what you know in various ways the uk was already kind of moving in a certain direction but it certainly seems to have given put you put wind in the sails of a lot of those discussions that were already in flight at least i suppose in the ability for people to sort of talk about it or the confidence of people talk about it more publicly i guess 01:05:41.075 --> 01:05:56.102 Which is interesting because, of course, there are a bunch of actual use cases, but there are a bunch of use cases that are more commonly accepted to be not insanity that are kind of predicated on... 01:05:59.284 --> 01:06:17.974 particular use cases for properly regulated entities using uh blockchain platforms and compute platforms that have like smart contracts and stuff like that so one of the good things i think is that if you're on firm footing doing stuff with smart contracts that aren't 01:06:19.773 --> 01:06:37.992 Ponzi schemes, this is good news for you because it seemed like it pushed those conversations along like fun tokenization, clearing, all that kind of stuff that involves, obviously I have a bias towards things that involve digital cash and digital money. 01:06:39.313 --> 01:06:58.079 um but it seemed like those conversations maybe were helped or that well they're obviously already going on independently and so this has actually no bearing on them but it it seemed it seemed all point of positive in terms of that side of things as well i mean of course when we all get wrecked and everybody's pensions disappear it won't look so rosy but that's you know 01:06:58.837 --> 01:06:59.337 YOLO. 01:06:59.417 --> 01:07:00.738 You win some, you lose some, right? 01:07:01.579 --> 01:07:01.979 That's right. 01:07:02.419 --> 01:07:03.340 That's tomorrow's problem. 01:07:03.700 --> 01:07:05.301 That's tomorrow's problem. 01:07:05.501 --> 01:07:06.321 Let's party tonight. 01:07:06.661 --> 01:07:08.883 Let's party tonight, baby. 01:07:09.883 --> 01:07:11.444 Off the back of that, are we in a bull yet? 01:07:12.525 --> 01:07:13.545 I mean, sure. 01:07:14.426 --> 01:07:18.328 I know there's opinions in the spreadsheet on the bull, but... We're in it. 01:07:18.488 --> 01:07:18.908 This is it. 01:07:19.449 --> 01:07:20.089 This is the bull. 01:07:20.489 --> 01:07:21.310 Soak it up, folks. 01:07:24.028 --> 01:07:24.649 Ethereum's at 25, 28. 01:07:24.709 --> 01:07:29.052 Bitcoin really struggling after the approval, huh? 01:07:30.173 --> 01:07:42.322 Looks like the alts are getting the pump based on the idea that maybe this extension or this SEC guidance extends out to Ethereum or other L1s. 01:07:42.402 --> 01:07:44.964 But yeah, some things are doing okay. 01:07:45.365 --> 01:07:46.686 Not the stuff that we hold, but you know. 01:07:47.489 --> 01:07:57.599 It kind of seems like in crypto at the moment, like anybody says anything and Ethereum picks up the benefit. 01:07:58.600 --> 01:08:00.582 Like somebody would be like, Cosmos is the future. 01:08:00.702 --> 01:08:04.185 And then Ethereum's price would pump and Cosmos would stay static. 01:08:04.265 --> 01:08:04.766 And you'd be like, 01:08:06.553 --> 01:08:08.214 Cosmos is not Ethel too. 01:08:10.136 --> 01:08:10.696 It's what it is. 01:08:10.716 --> 01:08:13.118 Yeah, Say's doing really well this week. 01:08:13.738 --> 01:08:16.020 DYDX is getting back up to where it was. 01:08:16.100 --> 01:08:19.563 It's still down overall, but Chainlink is doing really well this week. 01:08:21.164 --> 01:08:23.406 Yeah, there's a couple of things that are... Ethereum's up a little bit. 01:08:23.966 --> 01:08:24.467 It's doing all right. 01:08:26.928 --> 01:08:27.449 Yeah. 01:08:29.470 --> 01:08:31.652 Say's been on a bit of a tear lately, isn't it? 01:08:32.148 --> 01:08:32.668 Jim Collison, It has. 01:08:32.688 --> 01:08:34.028 Yeah, it's back up to over 80 cents. 01:08:34.088 --> 01:08:40.490 It's 84, 85 cents right now, which is 16 or 20% this week. 01:08:40.530 --> 01:08:44.791 But I think even, it's probably, I mean, it's up from the 16s or 15s. 01:08:45.231 --> 01:08:46.492 That was only a few months ago, right? 01:08:46.732 --> 01:08:48.812 Maybe 30 days ago, 45 days, something like that. 01:08:50.413 --> 01:08:52.453 Tim Grahl, It seems like just yesterday, it was like 8 cents. 01:08:52.513 --> 01:08:53.773 Jim Collison, Yeah. 01:08:54.273 --> 01:08:54.714 Yeah, it does. 01:08:54.734 --> 01:08:56.134 Tim Grahl, I mean, 01:08:56.741 --> 01:09:21.394 Okay, not financial advice or whatever, but to the extent that there kind of seems like a bit of gentle upward movement on quite a few things, I think, especially with some of the, I don't think we can talk about yet, but some of the things that have been pushing in new AIPs and whatnot over on Aptos, we were kind of thinking now's maybe the time to not, because the staking works super differently there. 01:09:21.414 --> 01:09:21.514 Yeah. 01:09:22.644 --> 01:09:27.288 Now's the time to just sit on the stake for a while and just see what happens maybe. 01:09:29.170 --> 01:09:36.015 Shoulder a bit more of that long position, that risk that the artifact guys are allergic to. 01:09:39.358 --> 01:09:43.722 Not sure about Cosmos because there's nothing to sell. 01:09:43.742 --> 01:09:50.207 The difference between 20 cents and 50 cents is only meaningful if you're day trading, right? 01:09:51.843 --> 01:09:51.983 Yep. 01:09:52.003 --> 01:09:53.325 I don't know. 01:09:53.445 --> 01:10:03.817 We kind of, it's not like we're dumping all the time, but like, like it's just, it's like these markets are impossible to have any sort of like long-term prediction on. 01:10:03.977 --> 01:10:06.540 So it's really difficult to say I'm going to hold X, Y, or Z. 01:10:08.226 --> 01:10:13.068 Because it has provenly shown that execution has nothing to do with price, right? 01:10:13.449 --> 01:10:14.849 Yeah, sure. 01:10:15.149 --> 01:10:26.775 So it's tough to be able to look at execution of teams and say, I have long-term... There's a couple of those which I do believe in, but even with great execution doesn't necessarily mean anything's going to be... 01:10:27.395 --> 01:10:30.557 going to have the eyeballs or going to have the structure of it, right? 01:10:31.798 --> 01:10:40.484 And I know Say has done a lot more in terms of marketing and they've done a lot more in terms of visibility on Twitter and they've done a lot more in terms of driving like Ethereum-based eyeballs. 01:10:40.524 --> 01:10:42.005 And I think there's a lot of cross... 01:10:42.904 --> 01:11:02.492 chain individuals who come to say and like look at the execution time and they look at the gas and they they see like a really positive ecosystem but i mean which is which is totally true i i 100 agree with and also you could probably say the same thing for 20 other chains right so like so what what actually pushes that ball forward 01:11:04.434 --> 01:11:07.576 And say is different because of the execution and being tenement-based. 01:11:07.676 --> 01:11:09.597 There's definitely differentiation there. 01:11:09.657 --> 01:11:12.198 There's no doubt about it, especially with the EVM stuff coming. 01:11:14.059 --> 01:11:18.361 But still, there are things that are very close to that that have never had that momentum. 01:11:18.441 --> 01:11:21.802 And what really drives that, I think, is difficult to say. 01:11:21.842 --> 01:11:26.325 There has to be some projects, and there has to be the right kind of outreach. 01:11:26.405 --> 01:11:27.565 And I don't know. 01:11:27.705 --> 01:11:29.146 If somebody had that figured out, I think it would be. 01:11:29.952 --> 01:11:54.854 I mean, I think, I think, you know what the, obviously there was a lot of smoke and mirrors and scams and yada yada with, um, terror, but I think terror really had a big, they, they, they did have, they were onto something in the way they executed, which was the incubation of projects combined with the presence of a stable coin. 01:11:55.615 --> 01:11:55.835 Like, 01:11:57.466 --> 01:12:11.593 there's just a whole bunch of DeFi products that fundamentally are not going to get mass adoption until they're pegged to the US dollar, like a stable coin. 01:12:11.713 --> 01:12:15.015 And that, I think, is a lot of alts as well. 01:12:15.195 --> 01:12:17.717 That's a complex story. 01:12:18.917 --> 01:12:26.261 Honestly, I do wonder if a lot of the Ethereum momentum and stuff like that, they have a whole bunch of native solutions for that with, you know, 01:12:27.669 --> 01:12:32.113 more consumer confidence for you to pack a DeFi protocol around, you know? 01:12:32.133 --> 01:12:33.294 Yeah. 01:12:33.775 --> 01:12:33.915 Yeah. 01:12:34.035 --> 01:12:34.495 I would agree. 01:12:34.515 --> 01:12:36.217 I would definitely agree on the Terra projects. 01:12:36.257 --> 01:12:43.463 Like, cause I remember when right before the collapse, I wasn't really involved in that ecosystem, but the quality of what was coming out of there was just unbelievable. 01:12:43.703 --> 01:12:46.165 I thought in terms of some of the DeFi and like other types of, 01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:47.880 projects that were running there. 01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:54.803 And then I remember when after the collapse and there was like that push to get projects over on Juno, right? 01:12:54.823 --> 01:12:56.923 Remember that there was like a big push to be able to do that. 01:12:57.383 --> 01:13:02.085 I think some of those balked at that and just were waiting for Terra 2, I'm guessing in some sort of sense. 01:13:04.386 --> 01:13:14.569 But even then, like even the components that came out of that and some of the teams that came out of that, like it was, you know, maybe all that's still there in Terra 2, but it was pretty eyeopening for us. 01:13:16.141 --> 01:13:32.937 yeah i mean i i think there was a little bit of a problem with kind of addiction to the foundation's money as well um yeah which you know was a problem um but i mean that's i think that 01:13:34.631 --> 01:13:57.379 what you see in a lot of ecos is that there's either addiction to money from the foundation or there's addiction to vc money and ultimately the two are kind of the same and there's very few places that seem mature enough to have people bootstrap projects without vc money which i think genuinely in terms of like the the 01:14:01.856 --> 01:14:18.981 yeah it's not this is not surprising take um i don't think at all for me anyway which is that like i think a lot of the the current kind of permissionless blockchain space is kind of it sort of long term it's sort of trash uh 01:14:20.387 --> 01:14:26.551 with the amount of VC and foundation capture of early value that's currently there. 01:14:27.071 --> 01:14:37.377 I just don't think it can actually deliver on any of the more interesting goals, which seemed to me to be kind of virtue signaling, but you know, 01:14:38.496 --> 01:15:03.413 all of the chains and whatever that are very closely tied to things like stable coins to real world representations of cash, whatever those are like, those are the places where you would expect government VC, all that sort of stuff, because they're going to be like lending products that they're designed for mass, you know, there's a spectrum of cypher punk to people who just want to earn, 01:15:07.125 --> 01:15:19.976 extra money via a defy protocol of some kind and like i don't know the the fact that so much so much of the space like the air in the room is taken up by people cosplaying or being cypherpunk 01:15:20.968 --> 01:15:22.749 is kind of interesting. 01:15:22.769 --> 01:15:25.391 That's still where we are as a kind of marketing thing. 01:15:25.611 --> 01:15:31.455 Or even not necessarily cypherpunk, but like, oh, this is going to change finance. 01:15:31.515 --> 01:15:32.576 This is about freedom. 01:15:32.596 --> 01:15:34.117 This is about collective ownership. 01:15:34.157 --> 01:15:35.538 This is about yada, yada, yada. 01:15:35.578 --> 01:15:39.721 And it's like, no, unless everybody has an equal share, it's not about collective ownership. 01:15:39.781 --> 01:15:42.143 It's about whoever has the most money runs the thing. 01:15:42.183 --> 01:15:44.064 And the foundation, by definition, has the most money. 01:15:44.284 --> 01:15:47.206 And then the people who have more money than them are the VCs. 01:15:47.287 --> 01:15:47.447 So 01:15:49.648 --> 01:15:51.729 That's called landowning. 01:15:52.549 --> 01:15:57.030 And the people who live on land that is not theirs are called serfs. 01:15:57.671 --> 01:15:59.771 So what you've invented is digital serfdom. 01:16:03.392 --> 01:16:03.573 Yeah. 01:16:04.913 --> 01:16:06.834 I don't know what that makes validators. 01:16:06.854 --> 01:16:08.554 Digital serfdom? 01:16:09.034 --> 01:16:09.854 Digital serfdom. 01:16:09.954 --> 01:16:10.495 What are we? 01:16:10.515 --> 01:16:14.896 We're like knights of the realm of the digital serfs? 01:16:15.856 --> 01:16:17.817 When the serfs rebel, do we put them down? 01:16:20.768 --> 01:16:22.589 It's way worse than that. 01:16:24.091 --> 01:16:25.532 This is my thesis. 01:16:25.572 --> 01:16:26.372 This is my PhD. 01:16:26.412 --> 01:16:30.676 This is the next five years of my life, people. 01:16:30.696 --> 01:16:35.680 Although, to be fair, the serfdom thing is not... 01:16:37.446 --> 01:16:38.127 is not mine. 01:16:38.407 --> 01:16:45.673 That's actually, uh, uh, Yanis Varoufakis, who is the Greek finance minister, uh, was using it. 01:16:45.873 --> 01:16:47.314 I was reading an article recently. 01:16:47.374 --> 01:16:49.716 He was using it in context of the big tech companies. 01:16:49.776 --> 01:16:54.220 And I was just thinking, yep, that's a good description of something else. 01:16:54.280 --> 01:16:57.702 I recognize, uh, but Hey, whatever. 01:16:58.223 --> 01:17:01.425 Let's do some news before we get out of here, please. 01:17:01.445 --> 01:17:02.426 14 minutes left to go. 01:17:02.867 --> 01:17:04.468 I'll read it since no, no, I was going to read one. 01:17:06.616 --> 01:17:07.317 I've got to go, man. 01:17:07.557 --> 01:17:08.778 I've got a bit of a dumpster fire. 01:17:10.340 --> 01:17:10.880 Node-related? 01:17:10.900 --> 01:17:15.485 The archives are down. 01:17:17.407 --> 01:17:19.148 I have a life-related dumpster fire. 01:17:21.591 --> 01:17:24.594 It's nothing node-related, but I've got to bail. 01:17:25.334 --> 01:17:26.435 I'll see you guys soon. 01:17:29.122 --> 01:17:48.128 uh bear chain was in the news this week because uh there's some bear chain validators in here but uh bear chain test that feels the wrath of the i'm reading i hate reading rama's text listen just for the for the for the record any snark coming out of here 01:17:51.656 --> 01:17:52.477 It's from the down under. 01:17:52.717 --> 01:17:52.917 Okay. 01:17:53.418 --> 01:18:02.045 So bear chain test that feels the wrath of the cosmos bull market, unanticipated demand for bear coins and the honey push to test that infrastructure and cosmos SDK to the limit. 01:18:03.486 --> 01:18:04.867 What even is bear chain? 01:18:04.927 --> 01:18:05.448 Question mark. 01:18:06.248 --> 01:18:07.389 Why do so many people want honey? 01:18:07.509 --> 01:18:08.230 I don't understand. 01:18:08.831 --> 01:18:09.251 Uh, so, uh, 01:18:10.051 --> 01:18:16.893 being in this test net and being involved in that team a little bit, and same with Schultz, you can comment on this as well, there was a pretty large structure. 01:18:16.953 --> 01:18:23.816 I think actually there's a lot of people just banging on the faucet and a bunch of other types of shit that hit either Bear's RPC nodes or maybe others. 01:18:25.476 --> 01:18:48.421 and there was some issues and so that team's been doing a lot in terms of uh working around gas structure right um and working on the mempool and there's a whole bunch of different things that they're basically tweaking to try to be able to solve this so this has i think i think some of this original snark um not so much in this tweet that i'll put in the show notes it's really just a screenshot from smokey the bear but uh some of the original stark was like 01:18:49.481 --> 01:19:16.295 uh was shitting on cosmos or the tenderman sdk or something similar to that which is just a bunch of bullshit like it's just a platform that platform can be tuned for anything we've seen uh both in terms of the inscription crap going on this week within um within the hub around 900 transactions in a single block every six seconds as well as on the other side on the safe side when we have 100 to 200 transactions every 300 milliseconds that tool set can do a bunch of different things 01:19:16.815 --> 01:19:22.538 And so the idea that, that bear chain or something else is going to be unsuccessful because of that is this, is this horse shit. 01:19:23.218 --> 01:19:29.761 So every team makes trade-offs in terms of the settings and structure around how the chain runs and that team will figure it out. 01:19:30.061 --> 01:19:34.423 So anyway, I, I do agree that the faucet, the faucet had a lot of people on it. 01:19:34.883 --> 01:19:36.304 Which one is bear chain? 01:19:37.885 --> 01:19:41.527 Bear chain is an, Oh, she'll keep me accurate here. 01:19:42.147 --> 01:19:42.967 EVM compatible. 01:19:44.328 --> 01:19:44.488 Yeah. 01:19:45.370 --> 01:19:46.851 Well, let's back up for a second there. 01:19:46.891 --> 01:19:49.873 It's EVM compatible, but it's EVM exclusive also. 01:19:50.693 --> 01:19:50.993 Bam. 01:19:51.113 --> 01:19:53.595 They chopped out all Cosmos transactions. 01:19:56.377 --> 01:20:02.780 So the staking and the consensus side is in Tendermint. 01:20:05.882 --> 01:20:08.484 And the application side is purely EVM. 01:20:08.504 --> 01:20:09.624 Is that right? 01:20:09.644 --> 01:20:12.226 I don't know if I'm saying that correctly or not. 01:20:13.322 --> 01:20:14.723 But that is the objective. 01:20:14.863 --> 01:20:16.244 And they have a bunch of DeFi. 01:20:16.364 --> 01:20:19.707 I hate to use that term, but whatever. 01:20:19.727 --> 01:20:21.448 I'm a better one at the time of it right now. 01:20:22.790 --> 01:20:26.272 And so there's a bunch of DeFi-based applications that sit on top of that. 01:20:26.492 --> 01:20:37.301 So we've actually been... I mean, I know that... I mean, I've been pretty impressed with that team so far, at least in terms of what has been produced. 01:20:37.561 --> 01:20:40.243 I think the quality and the movement of... 01:20:41.144 --> 01:21:06.380 development um the plans i think it's it's pretty exciting actually so i'm excited to see kind of where that goes i honestly had just thought it was a meme i me too yes like oh it's that meme that i don't understand because i'm a boomer and i'm trying to read fucking eight eight to ten academic papers a week at the moment so that i don't look like a jackass at the end of the month but yeah yeah i think huh 01:21:06.946 --> 01:21:08.968 I think, fair enough, Causeless Arms are the same thing. 01:21:08.988 --> 01:21:10.090 I thought it was a meme from the bear market. 01:21:10.430 --> 01:21:11.612 I did as well. 01:21:11.652 --> 01:21:14.014 I think early on we got communication, everything else. 01:21:14.815 --> 01:21:21.924 And as we've gotten involved in there, like it's a pretty professional organization, I think, compared to some other chains that we work with. 01:21:23.586 --> 01:21:26.930 And so, yeah, I'm excited about, I mean... 01:21:28.049 --> 01:21:35.036 I'm excited about the pace and the quality of what's been done so far. 01:21:35.317 --> 01:21:36.838 And I'm looking forward to what happens in the future. 01:21:36.858 --> 01:21:39.621 So I think it's something that's going to be interesting to see what happens in 2024. 01:21:43.266 --> 01:21:53.890 One thing that's really interesting for Barrett Chain is that while it's Cosmos-based, they have no IBC, and they don't necessarily intend to activate IBC, which is utterly fascinating to me. 01:21:54.170 --> 01:21:58.431 So they're a tendement chain. 01:21:58.511 --> 01:21:59.572 Are they a Cosmos chain? 01:21:59.592 --> 01:21:59.812 They are. 01:22:00.612 --> 01:22:00.752 No. 01:22:01.993 --> 01:22:03.533 How can they be a Cosmos chain? 01:22:04.493 --> 01:22:07.314 Because IBC would have to be... And they don't have the SDK, right? 01:22:08.295 --> 01:22:09.035 Yeah, correct. 01:22:09.815 --> 01:22:09.995 Right. 01:22:10.235 --> 01:22:11.256 They ripped out the SDK. 01:22:12.247 --> 01:22:14.109 So we basically have to home spin it, I believe. 01:22:14.309 --> 01:22:17.792 Or, I mean, I guess they'd report that those parts of the cosmos has decay in. 01:22:18.413 --> 01:22:26.761 But either way, I think it's really interesting that they chose going with Tendermint, basically, and not committing to IVC. 01:22:27.241 --> 01:22:33.387 I think it's a bullish case for Tendermint in general or Comet BFT or whatever it's called now. 01:22:36.158 --> 01:22:36.859 I think it's pretty fun. 01:22:36.879 --> 01:22:43.564 I mean, the idea of not including IBC, I'm not sure where that's rooted in because it doesn't really take away anything from the chain, I don't think. 01:22:44.324 --> 01:22:48.328 But it is interesting to have a quote-unquote Cosmos chain that doesn't use IBC. 01:22:49.248 --> 01:22:50.069 I think it's kind of fun. 01:22:50.950 --> 01:22:52.491 Well, yeah, there's that. 01:22:52.571 --> 01:22:54.993 But also, I don't think it's less that they are... 01:22:56.730 --> 01:22:58.751 not including it, and more it's not a priority yet. 01:22:59.031 --> 01:23:03.854 It might be coming down the line, but it's not a main net priority, which is just utterly fascinating to me. 01:23:04.154 --> 01:23:11.119 It would be interesting to see, I haven't looked at that code, what the structure of it is, whether they have the SDK in there at all. 01:23:11.139 --> 01:23:17.302 Because if they have the SDK in there at all in their state model, then they can include IBC relatively simply. 01:23:18.443 --> 01:23:23.006 My understanding is one of the bigger, more complex... So there's a whole bunch of tech debt in the... 01:23:23.946 --> 01:23:31.102 sdk's um iavel stuff basically like how it persists state essentially to the chain and 01:23:32.673 --> 01:23:57.042 there was a persistent problem which i gather has like there's been a lot of refactoring work on it so i wouldn't want to talk authoritatively on where it's at at the moment but there was a whole bunch of stuff a while ago on trying to generalize out the state representation needed for things like because ibc itself is just you know obviously the protocol bit but the implementation of ibc um as a reference implementation to make it more uh 01:23:58.954 --> 01:24:27.544 general and you know obviously the idea of ibc itself is that your your state representation could be anything on the other side but the actual main go implementation obviously is closely tied uh to the the sdk and the way it manages um state and that so it would be interesting to know if they don't have the sdk and they're you know basically just tenderment plus some of their other custom stuff on top uh what they have pick and cho picked and chosen 01:24:28.374 --> 01:24:43.272 to sort of fill in the gaps that the sdk would normally sort of give you out of the box and then what they've um what they've had to what they would then have to shim in to get ibc working in fact you know a dead clue would be to look at things like um 01:24:46.047 --> 01:24:47.488 soft slashing and whatnot. 01:24:47.728 --> 01:24:58.333 If the soft slashing is there and things like that, then I think that's an X staking and X distribution is in this SDK functionality rather than tendement functionality. 01:24:59.014 --> 01:25:00.855 I don't think that slashing is a thing right now. 01:25:00.875 --> 01:25:01.615 There's jailing. 01:25:01.655 --> 01:25:03.776 Certainly there's jailing, but I don't think there's slashing at the moment. 01:25:03.916 --> 01:25:15.162 If there's jailing, I think... Okay, shout out in the show comments if Frey is wrong. 01:25:16.115 --> 01:25:20.016 I, I'm not sure what, so, okay. 01:25:20.036 --> 01:25:21.197 So I can tell. 01:25:21.517 --> 01:25:30.320 So this is the level of nerd of nerd I can get to, but I'd have to remind myself of the code to be completely authoritative in Ethan Buchman's original paper. 01:25:31.457 --> 01:25:45.142 It is specified that the implementation of Tendermint has the slasher, in this case, we're talking about the Ethereum, like Vitalik's idea for the slasher, which is soft slashing, implemented within Tendermint, the protocol. 01:25:45.382 --> 01:25:55.326 But I don't know if that was because that was early enough that there wasn't a separation of concerns from Tendermint to the SDK, because my understanding 01:25:56.656 --> 01:26:14.867 It's been a long, uh, it's been a minute now since I've looked at the units of, of, of an SDK application or indeed the, the 10 demand internals, but from memory, that was where the slash was on the SDK side, rather than the 10 demand side. 01:26:14.907 --> 01:26:15.728 But I could be wrong. 01:26:15.748 --> 01:26:16.528 I could be wrong. 01:26:17.789 --> 01:26:17.889 Um, 01:26:19.619 --> 01:26:36.145 Yeah, my favorite other thing about Bookman's original paper is that it begins, I shit you not, an academic paper with, I learned early in life from Tony Montana that a man has only two things, his word and his balls, and he'd break them for nobody. 01:26:40.347 --> 01:26:40.607 Wow. 01:26:41.047 --> 01:26:45.149 Kind of set the bar pretty high for my eventual PhD thesis, huh? 01:26:46.328 --> 01:26:53.030 Item number two, introducing Sir Isaac Neutron, the telegram trading bot created by Jacob from Skip. 01:26:53.330 --> 01:27:00.153 Buy and sell assets on chains that Astroport is deployed on, which right now is Neutron, Injective, Say, and Terra. 01:27:00.553 --> 01:27:06.495 Soon to expand, I hear, a little birdie, with fees going back to the NewtDAO. 01:27:07.415 --> 01:27:12.561 I can't believe that Game of Nodes is somehow involved in the shilling of Newt. 01:27:12.701 --> 01:27:13.402 But there you go. 01:27:13.662 --> 01:27:16.025 On episode 97, you heard it here first. 01:27:16.645 --> 01:27:28.859 I will put a link to Sir Isaac Neutron, if I'm spelling that correctly, if I'm saying that correctly, which is a Telegram bot that's coming soon. 01:27:29.335 --> 01:27:31.197 A quick question came out of the chat. 01:27:31.597 --> 01:27:36.461 You two are both on, respectively, on the Bearer testnet. 01:27:37.021 --> 01:27:43.067 I think it was from Funky saying, is the testnet permissioned or permissionless, and is it worth joining? 01:27:44.268 --> 01:27:45.909 It is permissioned. 01:27:46.529 --> 01:27:47.670 You can see the docs. 01:27:47.730 --> 01:27:51.093 You can see what we're doing, but they... 01:27:52.301 --> 01:27:58.585 They gate the binary pretty heavily, and we don't even have access to the code itself. 01:27:58.745 --> 01:27:59.286 The repo. 01:27:59.406 --> 01:28:00.967 Yeah, we don't have access to the repo. 01:28:00.987 --> 01:28:03.448 They just release binaries when they want us to. 01:28:03.468 --> 01:28:03.829 That's a shame. 01:28:03.869 --> 01:28:06.210 I wanted to have a poke around the repo after that discussion. 01:28:06.370 --> 01:28:07.511 Permission AF. 01:28:08.091 --> 01:28:08.412 For now. 01:28:08.592 --> 01:28:09.052 Maybe it'll change. 01:28:09.072 --> 01:28:09.612 As foretold. 01:28:11.053 --> 01:28:11.774 As foretold. 01:28:14.198 --> 01:28:14.398 Maybe. 01:28:14.418 --> 01:28:15.059 I don't know. 01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:15.499 It's good. 01:28:15.839 --> 01:28:16.920 So, yeah. 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:19.401 So, anyway, so this, I'm on the wait list for this bot. 01:28:19.481 --> 01:28:23.584 Hopefully, I'm not sure if it launched yet and I'm waiting for a position or what's going on. 01:28:23.664 --> 01:28:30.748 But I kind of enjoy the idea of some AI front end to some wacky DeFi. 01:28:30.788 --> 01:28:32.609 So, I'm looking to see how that works. 01:28:32.629 --> 01:28:33.470 It's exciting. 01:28:34.250 --> 01:28:35.971 Skip team kicking ass across the board, man. 01:28:36.672 --> 01:28:37.632 That's what I was just about to say. 01:28:38.013 --> 01:28:39.594 Like, once again, they rock it. 01:28:40.307 --> 01:28:40.547 Yeah. 01:28:40.868 --> 01:28:53.939 So I, I just had a conversation like this, this last week and, and just like they're, you know, moving away from kind of like MEV and some of the, just some of that core piping and they're just getting involved in a bunch of other things. 01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:58.002 And I think a while ago, somebody was, we were, we were talking about that, that, um, 01:28:58.919 --> 01:29:02.822 that video where somebody was bitching about like Jack at, at Strangelove. 01:29:02.842 --> 01:29:07.905 Remember that somebody put that like, Hey, they're involved in too much shit and blah, blah, blah, and all this type of stuff. 01:29:07.965 --> 01:29:10.887 And like just shitting on it because they're a capable team. 01:29:11.808 --> 01:29:17.712 Um, and skip is like, we, what we said, I think at the time was like, Hey, put together a great team, go solve great problems. 01:29:17.972 --> 01:29:19.954 And that problem goes away. 01:29:19.974 --> 01:29:23.997 It's not even a problem, but whatever that problem goes away because there's more capable teams delivering it. 01:29:24.057 --> 01:29:25.918 And skip is absolutely one of those things.