WEBVTT 00:00.726 --> 00:22.966 so chris christmas uh christmas uh day like day eve christmas day eve yeah we just had like this enormous fucking storm christmas and then like no no christmas no not christmas christmas day eve it's different it's the next day no no christmas day christmas eve is the night before christmas 00:23.724 --> 00:27.426 And then Christmas Day Eve is like the next day. 00:28.606 --> 00:29.147 No, no. 00:29.407 --> 00:31.188 Eve means the night before. 00:32.508 --> 00:35.450 Eve is... So Christmas Day Eve. 00:36.770 --> 00:37.050 No, no. 00:37.090 --> 00:38.511 Christmas Eve is the day before. 00:38.551 --> 00:43.433 Now, if you did Christmas Eve Eve, then that'd be the 23rd. 00:43.453 --> 00:44.254 Christmas Day Night. 00:44.294 --> 00:44.694 No, no. 00:44.734 --> 00:45.314 Not correct. 00:45.354 --> 00:46.835 That is definitively not correct. 00:47.715 --> 00:48.396 Christmas Day Night. 00:49.096 --> 00:50.277 Eve does not mean evening. 00:50.857 --> 00:51.097 No. 00:51.117 --> 00:51.837 Yeah, right. 00:52.658 --> 00:52.898 Eve Eve. 01:11.127 --> 01:16.955 Welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast on Christmas trivia sponsored by... 01:19.040 --> 01:46.636 uh bolton heating company no i can't i can't i can't do it right i was just trying to there was i was trying to remember what the joke was on that little clip i said around a little while ago where it was like a it was it like bolton gas fired i know i put it in the show notes somewhere because i think i think i think one of the episodes i actually wrote it in the show notes yeah we're sponsored by a space heater company um and it's been pretty weird weather for everybody i gather so that's that's the news 01:47.737 --> 01:48.758 Has there been any news? 01:48.978 --> 01:50.158 We're all, are we all off work? 01:50.198 --> 01:54.461 We're all on pager duty, obviously, but are we all, are we all on holiday for once? 01:55.501 --> 01:57.002 Uh, no, no, really? 01:57.402 --> 01:58.223 No, partially. 01:58.243 --> 01:59.083 Yeah. 01:59.504 --> 02:02.125 Because no, it's just love. 02:02.165 --> 02:03.046 It's hot, man. 02:03.826 --> 02:04.766 It is fucking hot. 02:05.187 --> 02:07.088 Like I'm sweating balls here right now. 02:07.328 --> 02:14.712 Like I just had to take my arms off the table because of fear of like drowning my laptop with fucking sweat running off them. 02:15.874 --> 02:17.294 Is there air conditioning? 02:17.394 --> 02:18.075 Is there no AC? 02:19.715 --> 02:22.056 Well, it doesn't appear to be turned on. 02:24.017 --> 02:24.337 Clearly. 02:24.617 --> 02:27.358 There's a fan over here, and it's on Struggle Street, man. 02:27.378 --> 02:28.538 I think there's smoke coming out of it. 02:29.798 --> 02:34.460 And holy shit, I went outside this morning, and it was a cloud. 02:34.520 --> 02:35.320 It was so humid. 02:35.600 --> 02:36.160 You couldn't see. 02:36.220 --> 02:38.841 There's just a massive fog. 02:40.142 --> 02:40.422 Rub it down. 02:40.542 --> 02:40.842 Fuck. 02:41.980 --> 02:43.821 It's actually, it's really warm here in the U S right now too. 02:44.541 --> 02:47.442 It's like 50 Fahrenheit here. 02:47.482 --> 02:49.162 So it's like, yeah, whatever that is. 02:49.422 --> 02:49.742 What is that? 02:49.762 --> 02:51.743 I don't know. 02:51.763 --> 02:52.263 Who cares? 02:52.943 --> 02:53.364 Who cares? 02:53.384 --> 02:53.924 You seen that? 02:54.104 --> 02:58.545 Um, is it, is it Saturday night live or is it, uh, key and peel? 02:59.466 --> 03:00.646 No, they both, they both did it. 03:00.706 --> 03:06.388 But I think the SNL one recently with, uh, yeah, that's where it's like, it's like Washington in the encampment. 03:06.408 --> 03:06.608 Yeah. 03:06.968 --> 03:09.369 And he's, and he's talking about his hopes for the war. 03:09.709 --> 03:10.229 And, um, 03:11.431 --> 03:17.294 And they just spend ages talking about how they're actually fighting for the right to use Fahrenheit. 03:17.314 --> 03:19.255 And it makes no sense. 03:19.755 --> 03:23.397 And then, no, because it is Keenan is in it. 03:23.617 --> 03:24.738 And he says he has the thing. 03:25.398 --> 03:27.719 But what about the people of color general? 03:28.620 --> 03:31.761 You asked about distance, a valid and worthy question. 03:31.781 --> 03:32.982 And that just continues. 03:33.062 --> 03:34.683 And you're like, it was a good skit. 03:35.223 --> 04:00.494 it given that those i i don't think they rehearse them much do they because they only write them like during the week i guess right yeah like as something that's like a three minute long skit that's i guess largely memorized the afternoon of the shooting it's actually pretty pretty funny it was good big fan of that just giving giving a little break here so he can towel himself off yeah and just towel off his his lower arms that have been attached to the desk 04:00.959 --> 04:04.982 Honestly, this fucking pleather seat is developing a pool. 04:09.625 --> 04:11.526 It's actually pooling under my ass. 04:12.907 --> 04:13.847 Sorry, what's pleather? 04:14.408 --> 04:14.828 Pleather. 04:15.308 --> 04:16.069 Plastic leather. 04:16.789 --> 04:18.610 You know, plastic leather. 04:18.911 --> 04:19.351 Pleather. 04:22.270 --> 04:22.790 What a visual. 04:23.411 --> 04:27.912 We don't have leather here. 04:28.293 --> 04:30.414 We kill our animals old-fashioned way. 04:30.894 --> 04:33.575 It absorbs the sweat and makes it smell better. 04:33.595 --> 04:39.357 There's a lot of reasons that leather is a material. 04:41.338 --> 04:46.560 Anyway, it's not... Let me tell you a thing or two about leather, young boy. 04:47.241 --> 04:48.941 It only comes in burgundy. 04:48.961 --> 04:49.962 It must have the buttons. 04:52.850 --> 04:56.957 By the way, kudos to us for doing a, doing a broadcaster on 1227. 04:56.998 --> 04:59.222 Like who takes, nobody's taken a week off in the show. 05:00.120 --> 05:02.461 Well, except for you guys last week. 05:02.501 --> 05:05.683 But I mean, more to step back away, it looks that way. 05:05.963 --> 05:10.066 I've interrupted my holiday to do this, and then I'm returning to my holiday. 05:10.186 --> 05:12.287 I had to set an alarm because I knew I was going to miss it. 05:12.307 --> 05:13.588 Yeah, pretty much that. 05:13.648 --> 05:15.749 Let's do another shit. 05:15.809 --> 05:18.570 Well, actually, to be fair, we've had a very, very ill baby. 05:18.590 --> 05:22.332 We had to go to hospital, which is quite bad, just before Christmas. 05:23.113 --> 05:26.995 And so there's not been a lot to do other than tend to a very ill baby. 05:27.015 --> 05:28.476 How's he doing now, anyway? 05:29.518 --> 05:29.798 Better. 05:30.198 --> 05:37.820 But we've been watching the extended fucking cut of Lord of the Rings, which is, to give you an idea, the final film is over four hours long. 05:37.860 --> 05:40.361 It is a very extended cut. 05:41.161 --> 05:44.162 And we were talking about, oh, what should we do today? 05:44.202 --> 05:45.863 And I was like, well, we're going to have to plan in. 05:47.583 --> 05:49.284 when to get this sucker watched. 05:49.825 --> 05:57.951 Because, yeah, we've got an ill baby, we've got to get them up, got to get some painkillers and stuff, and then feeding takes a very long time, and then blah, blah, blah. 05:57.991 --> 06:01.933 So we're planning around that, and I'm like, and we've got this huge fucking film to watch, right? 06:01.953 --> 06:02.974 We've got to finish this guy up. 06:02.994 --> 06:03.515 We've got to get it done. 06:04.235 --> 06:27.205 that's on my to-do list and it's like we've got all the yeah we've got it all evening we can stay up till whatever i'm like we can stay up to whatever we're adults no one's going to tell us to go to bed yeah i'm like i'm like actually if you look at the calendar if you look at the the family calendar you'll see that there is a podcast so we better get cracking no no but also yes that's literally what happened so 06:28.619 --> 06:31.840 My people are all like, let's stay up all night and play board games. 06:32.200 --> 06:33.480 I'm like, I ain't working. 06:33.540 --> 06:35.981 I'm going to bed at 7. 06:37.541 --> 06:38.702 You need to take a holiday now. 06:40.222 --> 06:41.142 You look tired, man. 06:41.922 --> 06:42.662 I look great. 06:42.682 --> 06:44.063 They're keeping him up till 10 or whatever. 06:44.323 --> 06:48.584 Yeah, you look tired like somebody that has a recently hospitalized infant. 06:48.624 --> 06:51.004 And you don't have a recently hospitalized infant. 06:51.024 --> 06:53.565 You just have a very warm forearm. 06:54.445 --> 06:56.986 I think like... I think... 06:58.718 --> 07:27.487 that this is just how i look now i think i've seen i feel like i remember a time when you didn't look this tired but it might have been when you had only just got into crypto like these fucking bags here now i think they're like a permanent feature i think my face i think my face changed at some point like i got it bags instead i got i got bags you know uh i got shit bags 07:28.673 --> 07:48.223 so you know what is it uh star wars with the guy and he's always doing the thing with his hands and he progressively gets more haggard that that's me the emperor you're slowly turning into him i i love doing it that serp was like the emperor and then she was he's like oh yes i know right that totally else 07:52.176 --> 07:53.637 I did know who that was as soon as he said it. 07:53.657 --> 07:54.717 I was like, yeah, that's probably the right name. 07:56.357 --> 08:02.159 I don't understand how actually getting sleep is going to make them suck back into my head. 08:02.379 --> 08:05.039 I feel like this is just me now. 08:05.299 --> 08:06.580 I think there's some medical precedence there. 08:06.900 --> 08:08.340 Yeah, there's some. 08:08.560 --> 08:10.861 I don't think you need to be proven of that fact for it to be true. 08:12.702 --> 08:41.909 so like uh so like even in spite of of having ill child which has been very stressful and uh hey hospital going to hospital not fun don't recommend it um i've noticed given that i was going to take the holiday anyway and i've spent the entire time not looking at my laptop not because i was doing something fun but because i was doing something unfun but i have also noticed that i feel more relaxed despite all of the stressful shit like like marginally more relaxed because i think i have a hypothesis 08:42.799 --> 08:43.040 right? 08:43.722 --> 08:45.707 That what we do for a living is quite stressful. 08:46.750 --> 08:48.193 Okay. 08:49.797 --> 08:50.760 I don't know what's just happened. 08:53.018 --> 08:53.418 I like it. 08:54.758 --> 08:55.359 Say that one more time. 08:55.399 --> 08:58.079 I got distracted by your head taking up three quarters of my screen. 08:58.639 --> 09:10.943 I have this hypothesis that what we're doing is actually stressful enough that having an ill child and therefore having to drop everything and just focus on feeding and keeping well and getting to bed is actually less. 09:11.603 --> 09:16.704 It's more emotionally draining, but it's less stressful than what we do, which is weird. 09:17.324 --> 09:20.585 When you stop and think about that, that's a bit weird, isn't it? 09:21.840 --> 09:25.481 Yeah, I think it's, I mean, it depends on what part of what we do is stressful. 09:25.501 --> 09:26.742 But yeah, there's definitely some stress. 09:26.802 --> 09:28.402 Yeah, I don't know. 09:28.422 --> 09:30.243 Maybe it's just the constantly on, you know? 09:30.263 --> 09:33.704 And I don't mean page duty, because obviously we're all still on page duty. 09:33.724 --> 09:35.385 Even when you're on holiday, you're on page duty. 09:35.405 --> 09:36.085 Like, no big deal, right? 09:36.656 --> 09:41.237 I've had to do a couple of like 10 minute jobs over the last week or whatever. 09:41.477 --> 09:43.238 It's also a very public business. 09:43.798 --> 09:45.599 So that also makes it add some stress to you, right? 09:45.619 --> 09:49.020 Because it's not like if you're a private business, you're doing nothing and fuck something up. 09:49.060 --> 09:49.520 Nobody knows. 09:50.520 --> 09:51.320 Nobody cares here. 09:52.160 --> 09:52.921 Everything's public, right? 09:52.941 --> 09:54.581 Because it's on the blockchain. 09:55.061 --> 09:57.202 So depending on how bad you fuck that up, like it could be. 09:58.343 --> 10:01.065 I mean, you can't really hide from a tombstone, right? 10:01.145 --> 10:03.908 As much as... If you got tombstone, you'll lose literally $50. 10:04.288 --> 10:06.090 Or a slash, right? 10:06.430 --> 10:09.613 As much as Noel wants to avoid that one he had accidentally in Kujira. 10:09.753 --> 10:12.415 Which I still haven't. 10:12.636 --> 10:15.698 I haven't refunded the slash yet, man. 10:15.718 --> 10:17.680 Someone give me a fucking archive node. 10:18.561 --> 10:24.066 I just literally lob that ball up to you and you just... You know, I'm... 10:26.328 --> 10:35.496 there's like, there's a dude that's, um, that's sinking an archive node and it's still like, it's, it's sinking slower than the network. 10:35.556 --> 10:36.897 I'm like, it's never going to get there, man. 10:37.017 --> 10:37.738 It's never going to get there. 10:38.579 --> 10:40.781 I thought, I thought, didn't you try that too? 10:40.801 --> 10:44.744 Didn't somebody tried one of us try to sync from Genesis or something, or is there a snapshot? 10:44.884 --> 10:49.348 Does somebody have a snapshot that at least gets you most of the way there or no? 10:49.969 --> 10:50.229 Yeah. 10:50.249 --> 10:50.529 I don't know. 10:50.549 --> 10:51.310 I don't know. 10:52.351 --> 10:52.471 Um, 10:53.602 --> 11:20.019 say is getting pretty bad i've been having a lot of restart issues on stay lately i think well actually it falls behind and then restarts because of the auto healing right yeah i don't know it's uh that one's a bit weird at the moment so is this like it doesn't wasn't it started the weirdness when we had all those inscriptions right and then it sort of just stayed weird so the inscriptions went away but the problem stayed 11:21.004 --> 11:22.005 Yeah, I've had the same thing. 11:22.045 --> 11:25.706 I've spent way too much time working on the save price feeder after the inscriptions. 11:27.187 --> 11:29.749 Well, I've been pretty lucky with the feeder. 11:30.089 --> 11:33.490 Inscriptions, motherfuckers. 11:33.550 --> 11:39.754 Sorry, can we just take a second to say people who have done inscription projects can fuck off. 11:40.974 --> 11:43.356 It's a fucking useless thing to do. 11:43.376 --> 11:45.557 It is peak useless. 11:46.621 --> 11:51.362 To quote that Tom Cardi song, it has an itty little body and I hate it. 11:52.722 --> 12:01.263 I hate the fact that actually one of the only things I had to come back from my holiday to fucking do was to fix shit because the inscriptions had broken it. 12:01.303 --> 12:08.205 And I was like, I just got back from the hospital and I was like, I do not have the fucking time or energy for this fucking shit. 12:08.605 --> 12:09.445 Fuck inscriptions. 12:09.785 --> 12:10.825 Which I would have thought anyway. 12:11.245 --> 12:15.906 It was not just because I was very tired and emotional, which I was. 12:17.205 --> 12:45.947 also inscriptions yeah so uh that that that group i invited you to the other day just scroll back up the history of that a little ways and you'll see the word inscriptions project in there oh really it's funny because like nobody the chains don't want to stop it either they i mean i think both from a safe side we saw like a huge amount of rpc traffic it was ridiculous 12:46.861 --> 12:50.243 And, uh, it went from like five or 600 requests a second to like 11, 12, 14,000. 12:51.763 --> 12:54.985 And, um, the same boundary doesn't do very well with that. 12:55.025 --> 12:56.025 I think with fast block time. 12:56.065 --> 12:58.686 So it was a bit of a pain, but they're, they're cool with them. 12:58.726 --> 12:59.847 Like I can block some of this traffic. 12:59.867 --> 13:02.028 Cause it was all coming from the same two, two IPS. 13:02.768 --> 13:03.708 Like I can block all this. 13:03.728 --> 13:04.629 Do we get real limited? 13:04.709 --> 13:06.350 And they were like, Nope, don't touch it. 13:06.530 --> 13:06.930 Let it go. 13:06.950 --> 13:08.090 Let's see how it network does. 13:08.170 --> 13:09.431 And I mean, that's good, I guess. 13:10.171 --> 13:11.352 Yeah, well, they said, didn't they? 13:11.372 --> 13:14.654 They're like, well, we're just going to see how the network performs under the load. 13:14.674 --> 13:17.176 Yeah, it's fair. 13:17.817 --> 13:22.320 But also, we got like... Why is it so difficult for the network to handle? 13:22.400 --> 13:25.603 I mean, it's just a bit of extra metadata, isn't it? 13:25.623 --> 13:37.712 I think it teases out the underperforming nodes, and if they appear a lot, then... Like, if you've got a lot of... Like, there was a lot of... All the nodes were like peered up with 100 or so 13:39.329 --> 14:06.793 others right and then when you get a lot of traffic if you've got nodes in the network then it really teases those out and those start to fall behind and because they're paired up with so many people and there's so many of them then all the peering starts to up all right so it's because tenderman is doing the the peer-to-peer the pit thing rather than the leader election peering so all the peers are having to talk to one another so you get a few if you have a lot of peers and every set persistent peers 14:07.839 --> 14:10.541 you can tip the whole thing over by fucking some of them around. 14:12.463 --> 14:13.023 Something like that. 14:13.043 --> 14:13.404 Basically. 14:13.704 --> 14:19.869 Yeah, and the block size, I mean, say kind of defaults to about 50 transactions a second, right? 14:19.909 --> 14:22.531 Those are all Oracle transactions, I think, in every other block or whatever that is. 14:22.951 --> 14:25.914 At least when I look back, it's about 50, at least in my thing. 14:25.934 --> 14:28.636 And then, right, like at that peak, it was 225 to 250 a second, which I think is... 14:30.868 --> 14:54.495 is and now it's even down to uh it's a hundred right now ram is like a ram bottleneck or something for underperforming nodes as well as peering or is it just purely like peering that way no there's no i don't know like ram wasn't that high well i mean say he's been say he's been running at like 60 gigabytes of ram for a couple of months now but like my my miscount is way up like my my miss block is is higher during those big piece and as otherwise but 14:55.455 --> 14:56.196 Actually, not that much. 14:56.836 --> 14:58.977 I don't know. 14:59.078 --> 15:03.080 I saw a couple of alerts come in from Cosmos Chains and I was just like, 15:04.184 --> 15:10.328 okay, our node's not dead, so I'm going to put that on the after Christmas pile. 15:10.929 --> 15:15.812 But we saw that Aptos ground right down. 15:15.832 --> 15:23.717 A bunch of nodes had really big problems, luckily not ours, but it seemed to be peer infection, like bad peers. 15:26.319 --> 15:28.020 I don't fully understand. 15:28.040 --> 15:32.043 I mean, I conceptually understand how the peering system works, 15:32.651 --> 15:59.253 should work assuming it is the same as the paper that it was originally based on although i know that they've diverged from that a bit like there are some devils in the detail stuff like in the production version but i what i haven't understood and because we've seen this in test nets as well is that the if you have a small number of close geographic peers um that are healthy and then one of those goes to total 16:00.504 --> 16:06.786 the way you get contagion to your node on Aptos seems more severe than other networks is my impression. 16:06.807 --> 16:07.307 I don't know. 16:07.507 --> 16:18.611 But that kind of seemed like the problem that was happening on Aptos was it was more just a few maybe underspec nodes, which is probably the same problem that it was in Cosmos, just like fucking with the program, you know? 16:18.631 --> 16:28.255 I think there's like two problems in latency as well as just underperforming nodes. 16:29.437 --> 16:35.902 Like if you take, for example, injective, injective, you always miss like at least 1% of the blocks, right? 16:35.922 --> 16:36.963 There's only like, I don't know. 16:37.404 --> 16:51.956 I think those guys, there's a couple of guys that have very low miscounts, but they usually have like high VP, dedicated machine, raid zero drives, signing material on the node. 16:52.808 --> 17:14.504 no pruning but with high vp you're also proposing more right so you yeah but like you know no pruning low p account you know just the list goes on of optimizations to get that low low miss right and um i think the low p account is it helps a lot um 17:15.902 --> 17:42.906 then like i've got two dedicated machines to to injective as well as like a couple of other nodes around the place on with other um so i've got i think about four feeding the feeder two two alone are dedicated in two different locations um with on like 32 thread machines and then um and then there's like two others which are on you know shared machines so 17:44.227 --> 18:11.597 got a lot of horsepower trying to get those um miss blocks down i think over christmas i did some tuning i got it from like 3 000 to 1 000 but i can't really get like below 1 000 without just probably having the local signing material and and not not pruning and that type of stuff so but i think for network health it's better to have you know a few peers and that type of so but um 18:12.429 --> 18:24.375 Anyway, what I was going to say is that mostly because they have like such a high miscount and everyone's trying to like lower their misses, there's a lot more horsepower on that network. 18:24.436 --> 18:31.139 Like the operators are running far better hardware on that network than what they are on other networks, I would say. 18:31.259 --> 18:38.983 And I think that was pretty evident when they had the inscriptions there because the misses didn't go up a hell of a lot. 18:39.364 --> 18:41.925 And the network load, I think, was pretty manageable. 18:42.677 --> 18:56.505 And when it first started, there was like a few issues, but the team came out with a few optimizations, um, in the config and followed through and made sure that everybody, uh, like implemented those optimizations. 18:57.245 --> 18:57.986 And then it was pretty good. 18:58.026 --> 18:58.206 Right. 18:58.226 --> 19:00.347 Chelsea, like we didn't have too much issue. 19:00.387 --> 19:05.490 I don't think on injective wasn't great, but not too many issues now. 19:06.590 --> 19:06.810 Yeah. 19:06.830 --> 19:10.032 I mean, not compared to like, you know, other, other networks were like grinding to a halt. 19:11.333 --> 19:11.433 Um, 19:12.543 --> 19:14.684 Was did osmosis have inscriptions? 19:14.704 --> 19:15.224 I'm not sure. 19:16.025 --> 19:17.826 No, no, they haven't had inscriptions yet. 19:17.846 --> 19:19.447 Yeah. 19:19.467 --> 19:19.667 Okay. 19:19.707 --> 19:20.167 That'll be fun. 19:22.168 --> 19:22.368 Yeah. 19:22.388 --> 19:30.453 Well, I, I remember saying to, I said to the injective guys, I was like, you know, like, um, Achilles and that, and I was like, oh, inscriptions are gonna start again tomorrow. 19:31.073 --> 19:41.599 So, so we can probably expect some issues and Achilles is like, why it is like pretty confident that we wouldn't and there wasn't. 19:41.799 --> 19:41.899 So. 19:42.615 --> 20:07.183 it's interesting um we're suggesting to be honest i don't even know what the they're about like people like aren't scripts on and i don't even know what they do i don't know what people are doing them for i didn't bother looking into it just that there's a lot of transactions that you need to figure out on the infrastructure end it's just a bitcoin boomer thing isn't it that's somehow gone to every other network because nobody has any new ideas in 20:08.157 --> 20:13.380 Like as soon as somebody has one idea in Bitcoin, everybody just copy paste it to every other network. 20:13.420 --> 20:16.922 Just like anybody has a smart contract idea on Ethereum. 20:16.982 --> 20:19.824 It just gets copy and pasted to every L2 and then every other network. 20:20.904 --> 20:22.865 The injective one was kind of fun though, because 20:23.968 --> 20:31.575 Part of the inscription transaction was sending funds to the dev's wallet that was doing the inscriptions, but he didn't announce that. 20:31.975 --> 20:37.100 So it was like, here's the transaction, direct the inscription, and then send .03 injective to the dev wallet. 20:37.621 --> 20:39.082 And people were like, what the hell is this? 20:39.102 --> 20:41.544 Because it's just a script, right? 20:41.905 --> 20:43.866 It's just a smart contract, presumably. 20:44.787 --> 20:46.109 I don't think it's a smart contract. 20:46.269 --> 20:49.772 I think they distributed a script, like a spam script. 20:51.661 --> 20:54.242 which is just sending it, sending cash to the old mates. 20:54.262 --> 21:05.184 Well, but there was like on, on at least say that increased transaction count resulted in a lot more commission. 21:05.664 --> 21:12.586 I noticed over those few days, like probably about 20% more revenue than what would normally be. 21:13.406 --> 21:16.947 Well, and it seems like it pumps the price temporarily, which is, you know, kind of nice. 21:17.747 --> 21:17.927 Yeah. 21:18.067 --> 21:18.267 Yeah. 21:19.710 --> 21:21.731 Well, I mean, say is right up now, right? 21:21.751 --> 21:22.011 50 cents. 21:22.411 --> 21:23.171 It's 50 cents yesterday. 21:23.191 --> 21:23.171 46. 21:23.591 --> 21:23.972 Yeah. 21:25.072 --> 21:29.574 That's a, that's a long way from where they were just eight weeks ago. 21:30.014 --> 21:30.074 Yep. 21:30.094 --> 21:34.415 It's almost like inscriptions are the latest wheel in the Ponzi. 21:35.396 --> 21:36.576 Yeah. 21:36.656 --> 21:42.038 It's the latest pond leg on the Ponzi horse, which now has about 18 legs. 21:42.058 --> 21:44.459 It's just some of them diseased and they're beginning to drop off. 21:45.260 --> 21:45.960 So what do you reckon? 21:46.000 --> 21:49.021 Like crypto is now just finding reasons for people to spend gas. 21:50.683 --> 22:19.002 mean literally what it is yeah yeah i mean i think it was like uh when there was that folding ideas thing the line goes up um documentary which is a pretty fair but brutal dissection of of crypto the state of crypto and that was like about 18 months ago i think like the the repeated refrain of that was but remember this is just a way to make you buy their crypto and 22:20.700 --> 22:28.703 I think the criticism at the time I had of that was like, okay, but there are actually going to be more use cases than we know of right now. 22:28.763 --> 22:35.646 And there are some use cases which obviously do need you to buy the crypto. 22:35.666 --> 22:39.287 That's the point, because you're building programmable incentive systems. 22:39.347 --> 22:39.587 Cool. 22:41.148 --> 22:45.510 But I think as we continue on this bear journey, 22:46.894 --> 22:56.644 I think it's a lot harder to find a rebuttal to that particular returning argument, which is like, look, this is just another fucking justification. 22:57.085 --> 23:01.990 Copy-paste something from Bitcoin to make price go up, to keep party going. 23:03.177 --> 23:32.707 with no utility who gives a shit who literally gives a shit like i in fucking none of us got into this to do inscriptions like that's true it's a useless piece of technology it's fundamentally useless uh it's just a shit it's a shit tier nft for for bitcoin boomers um you don't need it on other chains it's fucking stupid oh my fucking god uh okay so i'd 23:33.274 --> 23:34.154 I just looked at the news. 23:36.115 --> 23:36.395 Yeah. 23:36.455 --> 23:39.216 That's a segue because... That's a good segue. 23:41.056 --> 23:43.737 Even I'm excited about the news. 23:43.837 --> 23:45.677 Are you looking at A17? 23:45.697 --> 23:46.958 I'm looking at fucking A14. 23:47.458 --> 23:50.799 A14, baby. 23:51.039 --> 23:52.259 We're not doing A14. 23:52.339 --> 23:54.580 A17, if you would mind. 23:55.580 --> 24:01.262 Say and injective leading the cosmos charge yet... Oh, fuck me. 24:01.282 --> 24:01.922 I've got a phone call. 24:07.871 --> 24:31.779 yet have the least amount of applications two times dex and nft platform talus on two dexes and an nft platform tails on injective it is talus or one of the x or talus yeah they're one of the x uh what was that chain that blew up because it was a scam 24:33.632 --> 24:33.972 Terra. 24:34.092 --> 24:34.432 Phantom? 24:35.073 --> 24:35.533 Terra. 24:36.033 --> 24:41.755 They're an ex-Terra project that went to Juno, and now they're, I guess, on Injective. 24:42.075 --> 24:42.455 Interesting. 24:44.396 --> 24:46.096 I mean, I don't think this is necessarily wrong. 24:46.116 --> 24:48.957 There's a lot of Terra projects ending up on Injective. 24:48.997 --> 24:50.118 Talos ex-Terra. 24:50.758 --> 24:51.058 There you go. 24:53.925 --> 24:56.587 Sorry, I've got to talk amongst yourselves. 24:56.607 --> 24:57.928 I've got to figure out what this phone call was. 24:57.948 --> 25:00.250 I've got something I'm waiting on. 25:00.310 --> 25:05.914 So one of the interesting things here is that that's not necessarily wrong, because Injective is doing really well right now. 25:06.354 --> 25:10.757 But if you look at Carbon, Switcheo, they have more TVL. 25:10.797 --> 25:11.978 They have more active users. 25:12.018 --> 25:18.403 They have a lot of things going for them that are better, and yet their market cap is something like 1,000th as high. 25:18.803 --> 25:20.404 It's very interesting. 25:20.785 --> 25:21.765 Very, very interesting. 25:22.646 --> 25:34.538 So the, the, the, the thrust of this new story is essentially that, you know, say an injective, the best priced Cosmos tokens at the moment, or that they're kind of at the higher end. 25:35.563 --> 25:38.525 But few applications, couple of DEXs, NFT platform. 25:40.346 --> 25:53.715 The question posed as part of this news piece is, all right, Rama, is it wise to simply follow the VC money and not the tech, in inverted commas, right? 25:54.235 --> 25:54.395 So... 25:55.536 --> 26:11.747 It's kind of back to the thing that we were discussing on a previous episode, which is that you look at a VC chain and there's some rationale as a validator company, as a business, to suspect that it will be more stable. 26:11.867 --> 26:17.151 It will have to potentially answer to its investors, have a roadmap, maybe have a plan. 26:17.891 --> 26:19.452 None of these things, incidentally, are guaranteed. 26:21.090 --> 26:46.310 the other side of that is i suppose that there's like a dark arts question here which is that do the vcs being involved and their need for a return mean that the token price is going to do things in a certain way because presumably there's more involvement of things like market makers and whatnot if you've got the money in the bank to make all that stuff happen and not just money in the bank but i suppose you know the connections to make it happen which presumably comes through your vcs right 26:48.314 --> 26:51.224 Yes, and I mean, the other piece of this is 26:53.928 --> 26:56.070 Is it simply wise to follow the money and not the tech? 26:56.250 --> 27:00.694 But all these, to his point, all these applications are doing somewhat the same thing. 27:00.814 --> 27:12.163 So when you have, if none of them are really unique use cases and they're all doing similar type of functions, plus or minus what tokens are actually on each of those platforms and where they focus on those types of things. 27:12.243 --> 27:13.784 If it's this and that, then yes. 27:14.145 --> 27:18.729 And then it's going to be VC money and what marketing is done and how much people hear about it and how do you... 27:19.369 --> 27:19.929 bring all that in. 27:19.970 --> 27:21.571 And so yeah, sports would be more than that. 27:21.611 --> 27:34.200 But it doesn't mean that like, if there was a massively useful, some sort of application use case that had a real world impact that that did change, it wouldn't matter what the technology was on and who's invested in it. 27:34.240 --> 27:34.381 Right. 27:35.321 --> 27:40.846 So, so I guess, yeah. 27:40.866 --> 27:44.508 Yeah, I guess the I guess the implied question here is that like, is the token price high? 27:44.648 --> 27:46.490 Because it's VC backed, right? 27:47.065 --> 27:47.245 Yes. 27:47.886 --> 27:48.726 Well, I don't know. 27:48.886 --> 27:52.528 I mean, market makers and I'm sure help a lot with that structure, right? 27:53.169 --> 27:56.051 Maybe better marketing to bring more users in, but I don't know. 27:56.171 --> 28:03.895 Injective, I would say Injective is far more successful in that sense than Say is, but at least in terms of where I see them. 28:07.017 --> 28:14.142 Yeah, I mean, they seem to have the branding and whatnot, but I don't know that Injective have a better technical platform than 28:15.572 --> 28:44.088 say i mean who who built injective i don't know you know that i mean injective labs i guess um yeah i don't know yeah they're not not a team i've really sneaked around i know because i've looked at obviously looked at some of the say code base and stuff i'm like yeah they seem to be doing like they seem to be you know competently understanding what they're kind of doing or whatever you know your mileage may fairly vary not financial advice not technical advice i've just skimmed these pieces here right so 28:45.361 --> 28:46.541 Don't take that as an endorsement. 28:46.622 --> 28:54.464 But they did seem to be doing within the bounds of what they're obviously trying to achieve as a business and a foundation or whatever. 28:54.484 --> 28:57.305 They're doing their thing. 28:57.325 --> 28:59.045 I just don't know the equivalent. 28:59.205 --> 29:03.146 I haven't done any due deal on Injective because we weren't going to be a part of that project. 29:05.227 --> 29:08.668 One thing I would say about Injective in their favor is that it seems like they... 29:09.724 --> 29:14.969 have a strong effort towards division in like the foundation versus the dev side and making sure that 29:16.896 --> 29:19.858 individuals are heard, for lack of a better term. 29:19.998 --> 29:28.604 As a validator, if you have a complaint, you can easily, like you have a directed channel to go to where you can voice it, and more often than not, it's led to some level of change. 29:29.685 --> 29:33.668 That's not really necessarily true for PAYGO yet, but I know it changes in the works. 29:35.169 --> 29:39.051 Whereas a lot of chains, you say something and it just kind of disappears into the wind, right? 29:39.071 --> 29:43.875 That's something I'd really give as praise for Injective that I would stand behind. 29:44.585 --> 29:45.926 Which is kind of funny, I guess, isn't it? 29:45.966 --> 29:51.412 Because you're like, you know, it doesn't take a huge number of validators getting together to stop the chain. 29:51.512 --> 30:03.945 And yet people still, there is a kind of tendency, I think, for foundations to treat validators as if, you know, kind of with the long, the shitty end of a long stick. 30:05.046 --> 30:06.928 And that, 30:08.874 --> 30:37.724 probably is the right thing to do i mean like conceptually and in the longer term you really want to be like fuck you validators you're totally fungible um but we're not there and it surprises me how some big foundations are kind of just like yeah you know you guys are going to take what you're given um you know we'll put some some chow in your bowl um but you kind of you kind of look at those situations and you're like if you look at the distribution on this network the 30:38.422 --> 30:40.543 however you want to do it, Nakamoto coefficient, whatever. 30:42.284 --> 30:48.567 Let's say the number of nodes required to get to 33.4, the magic number is fucking low. 30:50.748 --> 30:56.711 You know, it doesn't take a genius to work out, especially with most of these networks. 30:57.451 --> 31:00.733 They have no legal recourse to the chain being stopped. 31:01.153 --> 31:07.616 If the chain stops, they can't do shit other than restart the chain with a completely new chain identifier. 31:08.943 --> 31:32.299 because they lose the state like you know you can't you can't unbond tokens when the chain is stopped you can only talk to your validators and work something out and then restart it or start a new chain like hard fork and um yeah and obviously i've been thinking about this a lot because i'm literally writing a paper on cyber attack vectors for chains that are you know that everyone's like you know yolo whatever that probably won't happen it's like 31:33.919 --> 31:34.059 Yep. 31:34.299 --> 31:36.582 Not very hard, nor very, very hard to orchestrate that one. 31:36.602 --> 31:58.003 Um, and I, I think people do underrate the, that as a kind of, you know, existential risk to their business as a kind of chain foundation, especially if their chain foundation is not, uh, providing value back to, uh, validators, which in a bear market is often the case, you know, like I wonder to what extent, sorry, go ahead. 31:59.844 --> 32:07.309 I wonder to what extent the validator's identity, like their branding, plays into their willingness to halt a chain. 32:09.010 --> 32:11.993 Cosmos, of course, has very branded validators, right? 32:12.413 --> 32:14.274 But it's pretty unique in that way. 32:14.294 --> 32:17.516 In Nier, you have a validator name, but that's really it. 32:18.417 --> 32:19.958 Polkadot, same thing. 32:20.138 --> 32:21.379 Or you'll just see an address even. 32:21.499 --> 32:23.661 Polkadot's quite hard to choose who you're staking with. 32:24.221 --> 32:25.982 Solana, not really a brand. 32:26.042 --> 32:27.002 Cardano, not really a brand. 32:27.022 --> 32:28.723 Ethereum, definitely not really a brand. 32:28.943 --> 32:33.846 You stick with Lido, the procedure, not the actual validator itself. 32:35.327 --> 32:45.752 It seems like on those networks where you don't have a brand as a validator, it would be easier to halt rather than us where we have to say, well, the user is going to come out and complain to us on Twitter or whatever. 32:47.085 --> 32:47.245 Right. 32:47.265 --> 32:51.487 So especially if it's got an intermediary, like, yeah, like maybe LIDAR is a good example. 32:51.547 --> 32:54.588 I'm not super familiar with the staking mechanism, right? 32:54.669 --> 32:59.411 So if it doesn't work like this, then I'm an idiot, whatever. 32:59.511 --> 33:01.532 But it's kind of a figurative example, I suppose. 33:02.552 --> 33:09.795 Let's imagine you have a smart contract-based system where it manages the incentive that you're given as a validator, right? 33:10.416 --> 33:14.678 And like you say, there's a kind of step of remove where you're 33:16.110 --> 33:45.124 sued anonymous as a validator in that you are pretty fungible and number two there's not like a direct link between you and the consumer anyway in that situation and you're like okay smart contracts not really giving us enough fees um just get together enough voting power to halt this you know what's the that that is i mean like like you know go down to the game theory game theory things you're like okay well this seems like a dominant strategy because you get paid more 33:46.345 --> 33:47.266 And what's the downside? 33:47.286 --> 33:48.728 People are not going to not stake with you. 33:48.748 --> 33:50.130 They still have to stake with the protocol. 33:50.190 --> 33:55.938 Like, and obviously then, you know, you could change the code to exclude those players and blah, blah, blah, blah. 33:55.978 --> 34:03.489 But like, it's, it's back to this thing of like, at some point foundations would have to go actually. 34:04.295 --> 34:29.057 us continually hard forking us continually excluding validators us continually being on a threat um footing from a cyber security point of view i suppose is actually more time consuming costly and hassle than colluding right this is the essence of the repeated prisoner's dilemma right which is that as soon as you play the prisoner's dilemma more than once collusion is the 34:30.678 --> 34:33.961 is more or less the dominant strategy. 34:34.081 --> 34:35.242 I think it's the dominant strategy. 34:36.183 --> 34:38.545 It's the smartest strategy. 34:38.565 --> 34:39.586 I don't know about dominant. 34:39.666 --> 34:40.667 It's not dominant, is it? 34:40.687 --> 34:48.194 Because there isn't a dominant one, but it's the one you most consistently will come out with a desirable outcome for the both of you, isn't it? 34:48.434 --> 34:48.715 Yeah. 34:49.946 --> 34:51.687 But yeah, I don't know. 34:52.327 --> 34:55.949 There's something that's been ticking away in my brain over something like that. 34:56.069 --> 34:56.409 I don't know. 34:57.710 --> 35:06.974 You can come up with smarter and smarter incentives to punish people, or you can just be like, this is probably just a social problem. 35:08.135 --> 35:09.275 We need to just collaborate. 35:09.295 --> 35:10.476 I don't know. 35:10.496 --> 35:14.558 I suppose it's also in the context of where you have 35:16.966 --> 35:40.105 yeah bare protocols and things in a bear market where there is a small amount to go around you know you can't i don't think you can have the next generation of projects launched where the founders take 90 of everything and then graph does this it's obviously not sustainable for anybody involved so there's a kind of 35:43.391 --> 36:06.697 yeah because at the moment i like like correct me if i'm wrong but also i think like as validators infrastructure operators you have the kind of there is a there is a jadedness about career validators because of the lack of agency but also i think because you you see a pattern a few times and i think like if you project forward you need the infrastructure of the chain to be done 36:08.784 --> 36:11.907 outside of a jaded attitude and like a more collaborative attitude. 36:11.927 --> 36:20.135 And that only happens when people don't feel jaded because they're not, you know, their businesses are, they can project forward, you know, and stuff like that. 36:20.456 --> 36:23.098 And I don't know, it feels like an economic problem to me, but then I would say that. 36:23.158 --> 36:25.300 So I don't know. 36:25.821 --> 36:26.561 That was a rambling thought. 36:26.581 --> 36:27.122 So I'm going to shut up. 36:29.090 --> 36:32.213 Well, I think that the social comment is an apt one. 36:32.233 --> 36:36.297 A lot of people join crypto and they talk about how tech is king. 36:36.317 --> 36:44.245 I would actually push back that I think that crypto in a weird way is a more social game than traditional finance. 36:44.906 --> 36:50.051 Traditional finance, yeah, you have backroom deals or whatever, but you also have far more regulations. 36:50.111 --> 36:52.213 Here, I would argue that... 36:53.483 --> 37:09.591 Getting messaged on Twitter from random individuals and getting harassed is a stronger motivator to do well than getting slashed. 37:09.691 --> 37:14.113 Because getting slashed for most networks is quite low and very few people are going to notice. 37:14.593 --> 37:21.136 However, getting those messages of people that are angry, that's a social factor. 37:21.476 --> 37:22.397 That's a huge motivator. 37:26.411 --> 37:27.272 Yeah, I'd agree with that. 37:28.032 --> 37:42.303 I mean, like I think most of the stuff that bums you out when you work in this space is probably that, that stuff rather than like, because especially I think like, you know, even if you're proud of the quality of your work, which I think most of us are and like try our best, you also like, 37:44.150 --> 37:45.411 you know that mistake's going to happen. 37:45.451 --> 37:50.675 If you've been in any technical role any length of time, you know that mistake's going to happen at some point. 37:50.695 --> 37:52.176 So you know you're just waiting, right? 37:52.677 --> 37:57.481 On some level, you're shoring up a dam, and you know that at some point some water's going to come over. 37:57.501 --> 37:58.982 You just hope it's not that much, right? 38:00.163 --> 38:04.986 But the thing that's going to make you feel dread, the thing that's going to be the worst about that is definitely the backlash. 38:05.707 --> 38:09.970 And that's, I think, probably what motivates people 38:10.979 --> 38:38.971 know some of the stress and burnout as well i would guess but you know it's also it's also hard to feel even having said that i don't feel in the abstract i don't feel any sympathy for us obviously um because well because of the way the whole space is like because the whole party is basically running off the backs of retail investors degens um it has 38:41.371 --> 39:08.266 that's kind of like you know the meme with the the town being held up by the by like the bloody soldiers like like validators like we're like oh we are the ones in the blood and the guts and the whatever it's like nah it's actually the retail investors the validators are like we're maybe the grass like the nice little field we're not the town the town the nice looking town we're with like the nice little field maybe between the town and the and the blood uh 39:10.407 --> 39:13.870 Like the lukewarm water between ice and fire. 39:13.890 --> 39:14.531 I don't know. 39:15.952 --> 39:18.615 I'm not sure I know the meme, but I can definitely visualize what you're saying. 39:20.897 --> 39:21.858 It'll be in the show notes. 39:22.158 --> 39:22.779 I can't remember. 39:22.939 --> 39:25.682 It's like some boomer guy did it. 39:26.843 --> 39:31.948 Weirdly, as soon as you see it, you'll recognize immediately what this meme is from a few years ago. 39:32.922 --> 39:39.387 It's quite often sort of like a bit of a boomer meme, like, oh, people have allergies now type, you know, rubbish. 39:39.427 --> 39:43.050 It's like, yeah, that's because people in the past had allergies and they were undiagnosed, dickhead. 39:45.892 --> 39:57.280 But weird fact about that meme is that I used to live directly below, because it's a painting of a real place that this person did with this like really dark fucking death of dying people thing. 39:59.096 --> 40:18.628 just below where the people are was the street i lived on like for a few years when i was a kid um it's just that the painting is i think painted from the perspective of like what the place looked like in like the in the first world war like 1911 or so 1914 um and the street that i lived on was not built then yet i don't think so 40:20.043 --> 40:38.928 super weird that i mean this meme went very viral and i was like that's my old house i know i recognize now yeah yeah yeah i used to live there literally where those people are sitting that's that's where i used to live super weird anyway sorry given the uh the new mint scan export transaction export a little run have you guys tried it at all 40:41.334 --> 41:05.485 i've not tried it i haven't i haven't tried it i only just saw it and i was like that is amazing i mean again another product that we talked about in here for over two years yeah that they should charge for instead of taking 100 commission on osmosis this is how seriously right i have been taking trying to take a few days can we talk about can we talk about revenue models somebody somebody sent me a text about this tax tool 41:06.823 --> 41:08.945 And you know me, I like talking about taxes. 41:09.346 --> 41:10.827 And I was like, I'll look next week. 41:11.228 --> 41:13.310 That's how serious I was about taking a few days off. 41:13.731 --> 41:17.375 And I was like, yo, I'll come to that later. 41:17.855 --> 41:18.175 Is it good? 41:18.195 --> 41:18.636 Does it work? 41:19.277 --> 41:23.241 Well, my first two exports were empty, so that wasn't a great thing. 41:23.281 --> 41:24.522 But let me just double check. 41:24.542 --> 41:25.523 I just grabbed a different one. 41:26.738 --> 41:28.079 Four K. Oh, look at that. 41:28.959 --> 41:30.620 You do 20, 20 transactions. 41:30.800 --> 41:33.222 I see IBC send, IBC receive. 41:33.682 --> 41:34.042 You do it. 41:34.082 --> 41:35.323 You delegate on delegates. 41:36.324 --> 41:37.164 You do an export. 41:37.264 --> 41:40.306 It blows up and you're like, damn, what a piece of shit. 41:40.366 --> 41:43.388 And then immediately you get a pager duty for your IP RPC. 41:43.468 --> 41:53.013 And you're like, let's see, we have a next number type from address to address hash amount token. 41:53.093 --> 41:54.194 Like this looks nice. 41:55.236 --> 41:56.896 Minscan are not putting out of the park, man. 41:56.916 --> 42:00.877 They must have like a fucking lot of people working on that. 42:01.957 --> 42:03.177 Must be spending a lot of money on it. 42:03.678 --> 42:08.919 Like I just looked at the, the DYDX additions as well. 42:09.019 --> 42:19.420 Like where you can see the perps, rewards, fees, APY, like, yeah, man, you can just like click on the validator, see how much revenue it's bringing in. 42:20.281 --> 42:22.001 Yeah, man. 42:22.021 --> 42:22.321 It's like, 42:22.875 --> 42:24.555 Well, let's have a look at Ex Machina. 42:25.356 --> 42:30.277 Fucking making $3,400 a day in commission. 42:31.397 --> 42:31.777 Jesus. 42:32.617 --> 42:34.158 That's a million dollar a year validator. 42:36.358 --> 42:36.938 In the cosmos. 42:36.978 --> 42:37.299 How about it? 42:37.319 --> 42:39.479 Dang. 42:40.679 --> 42:41.820 So that what? 42:42.180 --> 42:43.040 So daily that 42:43.875 --> 42:45.537 Oh, sorry, that's the total commission. 42:45.957 --> 42:49.721 Oh, no, the total rewards are $10,000 a day. 42:50.342 --> 42:52.023 The trading's picking up. 42:52.484 --> 42:53.785 Trading's picking up on DYDX. 42:53.805 --> 42:56.168 Oh, I'm sorry, on DYDX. 42:56.248 --> 42:57.209 Is it real trading? 42:57.249 --> 42:57.409 Yeah. 43:00.373 --> 43:00.593 Yeah. 43:00.613 --> 43:03.094 Well, I mean, yeah, it's real people trading. 43:03.114 --> 43:03.255 Yeah. 43:04.255 --> 43:04.455 Yep. 43:04.535 --> 43:04.695 Yep. 43:04.735 --> 43:05.015 Yeah. 43:05.035 --> 43:16.041 But ever since they like introduced the trading fees, the trading rewards to try and bring people over to V4, it's it's like picking up in in volume now. 43:16.061 --> 43:16.721 So yeah. 43:17.062 --> 43:20.103 And at least like the token prices come back a little bit too. 43:20.123 --> 43:20.743 It was a little bit worried. 43:20.763 --> 43:22.885 It was like down the 280s or whatever the hell it was. 43:23.945 --> 43:24.385 Oh, yeah. 43:24.405 --> 43:29.308 Well, like when we spent like, you know, a year's salary on trying to stay in the set. 43:30.343 --> 43:57.119 yeah everything's doing pretty well this week actually except for say down but i mean it was up a lot this week and then it's pulled back real fees even if they're bots that's correct so is this daily volume yeah it looks like the volumes up to like you know about 400 million a day yeah which is like a fair bit so i think previously it was about a billion on uh like if the if the um 44:01.565 --> 44:09.591 If the distribution of stake was more even, every validator in there would be in the green. 44:10.212 --> 44:12.013 Yeah, well, such as 44:13.826 --> 44:14.526 Such is the business. 44:15.147 --> 44:16.488 I do see that in DYDX exchange. 44:16.508 --> 44:23.732 Like they've, they've definitely changed the, you can see the confidence coming out because before it was like V4 is like a little bit to the side and it was still major links were all V3. 44:24.413 --> 44:25.493 And now it's completely the opposite. 44:25.533 --> 44:34.019 Like you have to go find the V3 link now and everything trade for is everything for trade now and like move and highlights all the call to actions are all, are all V4. 44:34.039 --> 44:34.419 So that's good. 44:34.439 --> 44:39.162 I think that's probably driving a lot more individuals over because it seems like the team has a confidence that it can support. 44:40.202 --> 44:40.683 What was that? 44:40.703 --> 44:40.903 I, I, 44:41.559 --> 44:46.962 I have noticed stake going to smaller like validators as well. 44:47.342 --> 44:51.644 It's not like, I think over time it will like a long time, it'll even out a bit. 44:52.024 --> 44:56.746 And there's I'm pretty sure that what is it? 44:57.347 --> 44:59.748 Stride is going to be launching there pretty soon as well. 44:59.828 --> 45:01.329 So yeah, that's not great. 45:01.389 --> 45:01.729 Yeah. 45:03.030 --> 45:05.391 We'll see what, what happens when that comes in. 45:05.471 --> 45:10.113 So I don't know, but there's also, I'm sure other liquid stakers will, 45:11.511 --> 45:40.113 launch in there as well and hopefully like a bit of staker education um because obviously there's still like 40 in the top two there i i don't understand santorini has a hundred percent commission and people still staking that so yeah because i think they think it's positive like i'm gonna get a hundred percent yeah man well people i mean maybe it's just a ui problem man it definitely is there's i mean we've talked about before too i think people understand what that number means 45:42.369 --> 45:47.328 Yeah, I think the number they should replace that with is the APY. 45:48.675 --> 46:12.394 yeah when you take out the commission that's what they do in like salon and all that stuff well i was gonna say do you know when you like open a bank account like i feel like most banks at least i certainly know this i was looking at um opening a bank account for the wii one um turns out you can't open a bank account for a baby so it makes sense um but uh well put an asterisk by that 46:12.814 --> 46:39.024 not in the way that i was thinking of anyway not important the important thing is that they had literally like if you uh put 100 pounds into this savings account at the end of the year you will have 104 pounds and 45 pence or something like that like it was just like a very like you know index to the number 100 which obviously you could do in us dollars like that would 46:39.673 --> 46:49.415 I mean, I know these things aren't, like, perfect, but, like, even if you had just, like, an around, you know, this validator has percentage of this. 46:49.495 --> 47:00.817 So if you staked $100 worth of tokens, you would probably get about $108 or whatever, like, you know, whatever the math worked out at. 47:00.837 --> 47:07.238 It can't be that hard to do it in a JavaScript UI, unless your chain has very weird staking dynamics. 47:07.278 --> 47:08.478 Obviously, like, yeah. 47:10.250 --> 47:19.900 I am kind of cognizant of the fact that it took us three tries to get the HAL UI to work out what the percentage should be based on dynamic staking. 47:19.920 --> 47:25.426 So these things can be pretty complex, but for most chains, it's just a straight up number. 47:25.706 --> 47:31.512 There's no dynamic spot change in the percentage accrual, right? 47:36.007 --> 47:36.768 I was looking for the notes. 47:36.788 --> 47:40.472 I think Bendy was waiting for you to bring up how I think he has a question. 47:41.914 --> 47:42.615 That's how related. 47:42.635 --> 47:45.097 Here we go. 47:45.298 --> 47:47.180 How much complaint do I need to do before how it works again? 47:47.560 --> 47:53.407 He's actually not asking about how he's asking how much more complaining does he need to do before you acknowledge it? 47:54.074 --> 47:55.515 Probably infinite, I guess. 47:55.535 --> 47:57.857 I mean, we have a fix. 47:58.578 --> 48:03.162 It's just that deploying it is not super simple. 48:03.482 --> 48:06.304 And also, like, okay, so we're going to get it deployed. 48:06.945 --> 48:09.647 After that, that's it. 48:09.747 --> 48:12.450 Like, we're out of energy. 48:12.470 --> 48:13.150 We're out of time. 48:13.651 --> 48:14.792 All of us have other stuff on. 48:15.812 --> 48:16.953 All you did there is just give them hope. 48:18.194 --> 48:18.435 Yeah. 48:18.895 --> 48:19.676 Like, we talked about a fix. 48:19.696 --> 48:20.216 We have a fix. 48:21.157 --> 48:22.038 Maybe we're not going to give it to you. 48:24.784 --> 48:26.067 I mean, you could have just said it's dead. 48:26.829 --> 48:28.733 No, I have a fix, but you can't have the fix. 48:30.076 --> 48:30.256 Yeah. 48:30.437 --> 48:32.883 I mean, I think the problem is right out of pure, 48:35.549 --> 48:57.995 like and to be fair so weaver weaver wrote the majority of the fix right i think we've wrote i mean i think we all worked out we all debugged it and then we've actually wrote the fix out of pure professional pride um and then i've i've since gone and done a bit more testing as well so there's an there's an element to which it's just uh what's it called um 49:01.328 --> 49:01.968 Yeah, it's just that. 49:02.488 --> 49:10.930 It's not a project that's ever going to make any money or whatever, and it's just a bit of an albatross around the neck, I think. 49:12.690 --> 49:13.610 There's your marketing right there. 49:14.331 --> 49:14.771 Use Howl. 49:16.211 --> 49:16.971 It's a total albatross. 49:17.971 --> 49:19.292 I mean, the problem is... They'll never make money. 49:19.892 --> 49:26.053 I thought most consumers didn't want teams to make money, so isn't that mean it's instantly... 49:28.174 --> 49:53.208 i mean even the tokenomics of it were designed that you could never as the devs get rich like too much of the money was accruing elsewhere that was kind of the point but obviously it wasn't designed to work in a bear market where you literally physically can't you know make money to pay any salaries you know that's that's just what it is um and i think also like you know why it kind of comes back around a little bit to this kind of validated question right which is 49:53.669 --> 50:10.895 Why would you work on a really, really public, really, really visible project that makes no money and is stressful when there are other people telling you, hey, can you do this job? 50:11.955 --> 50:12.976 We run a business. 50:13.496 --> 50:14.736 That's the reality. 50:15.657 --> 50:19.998 Other people are asking, have a checkbook out and are saying, can you do this work? 50:20.038 --> 50:20.778 Here's the deadline. 50:21.519 --> 50:21.719 And so... 50:24.415 --> 50:48.073 know unfortunately lesson learned on the tokenomics of that project like and to be fair like a big part of i think what failed with how is the lack like ideally i think how would not have a token that is the biggest failure of towel is it shouldn't have a token and the second biggest failure of how is it shouldn't have been launched on juno um 50:49.119 --> 50:53.183 it should have been launched on its own application specific blockchain where it doesn't. 50:53.203 --> 50:56.386 Well, yeah, fine. 50:56.406 --> 50:56.667 Yeah. 50:56.727 --> 50:57.868 I mean, fucking true. 50:57.928 --> 50:59.910 We'd be doing better if it had, um, 51:00.580 --> 51:11.683 But if you, if you'd launched on something other than Juno, you wouldn't get rugged by the chain, changing its block time to please whoever fucking gelato and breaking your application. 51:12.243 --> 51:16.044 Well, whoever the fuck it was done for, we didn't need it. 51:16.564 --> 51:17.144 We didn't need it. 51:17.244 --> 51:17.784 We didn't want it. 51:18.365 --> 51:19.885 Like we, we cash on the front end. 51:20.005 --> 51:23.246 Like, so you're ending up doing work for no reason. 51:24.571 --> 51:25.933 Because you don't own the substrate. 51:25.993 --> 51:27.595 And by the way, you don't make much money. 51:27.776 --> 51:31.621 The money is accruing to stakers of the native currency. 51:31.901 --> 51:35.787 So you're back to the point that really, HAL should run off of USDC. 51:37.412 --> 51:43.737 Except it shouldn't run off USDC because USDC, when it's locked for 14 days in the HAL protocol, doesn't work. 51:45.538 --> 51:46.759 All you're doing is accruing risk. 51:47.179 --> 51:55.405 So you could almost see why having built this project and having seen a bunch of the problems with it and having thought and reflected very hard on... 51:56.129 --> 52:07.319 what went wrong and how you would make a project like that succeed in the future, you can see why somebody might go and work on CBDCs and try and work out how to get them into permissionless ecosystems. 52:07.600 --> 52:10.883 There is like a little bit of an idea of where you go, oh, hang on. 52:11.736 --> 52:13.297 What is the root problem here? 52:13.417 --> 52:20.000 There's a problem that Frey needs to fucking get back in his lane about tokenomics, right? 52:20.601 --> 52:22.522 And that's fine. 52:23.082 --> 52:27.785 The tokenomics, as it turned out, would not survive a bear market. 52:28.525 --> 52:29.125 Lesson learned. 52:29.445 --> 52:39.911 But there is also a fundamental problem about if you built a project that requires a medium of exchange, not a store of value, you are fucked because crypto is all about stores of value. 52:41.330 --> 52:41.852 It just is. 52:41.933 --> 52:42.857 That's the whole market. 52:42.978 --> 52:43.500 The whole thing. 52:43.520 --> 52:45.530 We always talk about investors, all of that stuff. 52:48.174 --> 52:56.959 it was designed to work on a medium of exchange and it had none because the underlying, the native token was not a medium of exchange and the house token was not a medium of exchange. 52:57.819 --> 53:01.381 Um, so it has that kind of fundamental problem with it. 53:01.541 --> 53:06.284 And, and, and, you know, I wish it worked like, and it is still kind of a cool idea. 53:06.304 --> 53:07.405 It's still a cool project. 53:07.505 --> 53:11.067 Like it, it has fucking a lot of work, a lot of code. 53:12.067 --> 53:12.528 I'm so sorry. 53:12.568 --> 53:12.988 I brought it up. 53:15.521 --> 53:15.981 I don't know, man. 53:16.001 --> 53:18.242 You've got to let it go. 53:18.662 --> 53:18.982 Sorry. 53:19.002 --> 53:20.883 No more Hal Talks. 53:20.903 --> 53:23.044 Walk me into that. 53:23.604 --> 53:28.286 If you want to change speed, here's some fun news. 53:29.126 --> 53:37.809 So it's almost now 21 days since Chihuahua pumped to 10% of one cent. 53:38.789 --> 53:43.731 So there is an unbonding cliff going to occur. 53:44.903 --> 54:12.360 uh on the last day of the year on huawei what scale of cliff are we talking about i haven't done the math but there was probably at least almost 50 unbonded from my validator so holy that indicates to me that there is 50 a network wide cliff coming 54:14.448 --> 54:15.469 Yeah. 54:15.969 --> 54:19.531 So what you're saying is I should have unbonded. 54:19.551 --> 54:22.953 Is that what you're saying? 54:23.914 --> 54:24.394 We'll see. 54:24.414 --> 54:26.535 I haven't started that process. 54:29.177 --> 54:31.238 There's a hell of a lot of cell volume coming. 54:31.298 --> 54:32.879 I can just estimate that. 54:35.161 --> 54:38.402 So the dev unlock already happened, right? 54:38.422 --> 54:39.503 That happened like last month. 54:39.523 --> 54:42.445 I'm pretty sure they've been unlocked for a long time, yeah. 54:45.046 --> 54:46.767 But I don't know. 54:47.027 --> 54:47.847 Let's fucking see. 54:47.907 --> 54:51.768 I guess there's... I don't know. 54:52.869 --> 54:54.549 A pre-Bullmark lull, maybe. 54:55.269 --> 54:56.750 When is it all unlocking? 54:56.870 --> 54:57.490 Next couple of days. 54:58.411 --> 55:04.092 I believe like around most of it, probably like around the 31st slash the 1st. 55:05.373 --> 55:05.613 Nice. 55:05.773 --> 55:07.774 Would be about 21 days since the pump. 55:10.715 --> 55:13.596 But I mean, the price has retracted a lot since then anyway. 55:13.656 --> 55:14.556 So I don't know if 55:14.952 --> 55:19.295 People might not sell straight away or might rebond. 55:20.897 --> 55:22.858 That's the thing with bonding. 55:22.878 --> 55:23.599 Wait for the next pump. 55:24.760 --> 55:25.520 Yeah, potentially. 55:30.945 --> 55:40.192 There's a question about this which was related to a discussion we had a few weeks ago, which is other than obviously continuing to run infrastructure to 55:41.909 --> 55:48.654 you know, usurper has the self-flagellating notion that you have to be in this for 10 years if you start to spin up a node. 55:48.915 --> 55:51.637 So, you know, obviously we know that usurper will go down with the ship, right? 55:51.657 --> 55:53.178 It feels like it's been 10 years. 55:54.579 --> 55:54.739 Yeah. 55:54.759 --> 55:57.061 It's like the, you know, the bad, is it band of brothers? 55:57.121 --> 55:58.722 No, it's saving private Ryan, isn't it? 55:58.762 --> 56:04.847 Where in the end that just, he just ages back into a little crisp raisin, raisin David. 56:06.769 --> 56:07.369 But, but like, 56:08.670 --> 56:28.001 uh you know for a lot of the chains have been running like a year or more um any if you've compounded at all as a validator you're probably making substantially more off of the compounded uh self-staked income than the the weight of the commissions where if you're a five percent eight percent ten percent whatever 56:29.162 --> 56:57.003 um there is an argument isn't there for being any of those any of the chains that have been around for a while right if the price goes up to a point there'll be an unlock cliff right so there's there's an argument you know just just being purely brutal here there's an argument for actually on bonding evaluator and having the income ready to front runner uh at a bonding cliff if you don't think if you don't have a lot of future confidence in that coin i guess 56:57.885 --> 57:24.711 um and that you know and i bring this up in the context of huawa because obviously there are some chains that you know not all chains are created equal right um but like yeah i mean what's other than usurper obviously who is you know a knight of the realm is good and honorable is a chivalrous man buried me with my huawa bury him with his huawa and then there'll be some corner of orren field that is who that is forever rhino 57:27.180 --> 57:27.941 On my tombstone. 57:28.421 --> 57:29.722 Quote, never sold. 57:30.522 --> 57:32.243 Never sold. 57:32.263 --> 57:34.844 People look at that like, it'll be proud, it'll be sad. 57:36.124 --> 57:37.385 Everybody walks up as a different meaning. 57:37.405 --> 57:41.007 Really though, I think it'll just all be sad. 57:41.027 --> 57:44.048 No, some people will be like, brother, that's it. 57:44.148 --> 57:44.868 Go down with the ship. 57:44.908 --> 57:47.530 And they'll be like, I don't, yeah. 57:47.550 --> 57:49.370 Diamond hands. 57:49.490 --> 57:53.672 It would just be like in Spinal Tap. 57:53.692 --> 57:54.873 They'll just be standing there and be like, 57:55.868 --> 57:56.989 That's a lot of perspective. 57:57.170 --> 57:59.272 Too much fucking perspective. 57:59.873 --> 58:01.355 Yeah, too much fucking perspective. 58:02.416 --> 58:11.386 Well, if you didn't have a business continuity and handed the keys over to someone, then you would become a bag holder of shit coin in perpetuity. 58:11.927 --> 58:12.628 Wouldn't that be amazing? 58:13.686 --> 58:15.989 Yeah. 58:16.429 --> 58:17.470 That would be amazing. 58:17.831 --> 58:19.633 I got to lose a mnemonic just to do that. 58:19.733 --> 58:22.696 Just buried it with me in my suit coat pocket or something. 58:23.457 --> 58:26.440 He left behind nothing but a beautiful body at a public beach. 58:27.481 --> 58:29.864 As long as somebody doesn't shut down Chihuahua. 58:30.945 --> 58:31.886 Dig me up in 50 years and 58:34.861 --> 58:37.602 That could be the new, uh, the new way of burning coins. 58:37.662 --> 58:41.184 Just send it to, uh, put them in the grave public wallet. 58:41.424 --> 58:42.364 That's right. 58:42.584 --> 58:42.945 That's right. 58:43.985 --> 58:49.908 So, or you could send the richest dead man in history, but the Monica, my mouth, you gotta go in there and dig in there to get it out. 58:50.768 --> 58:53.549 You can send them to the prop 16, a smart contract. 58:54.029 --> 58:55.230 Um, but. 58:56.405 --> 59:15.650 yeah uh speaking of uh speaking of losing the keys to validators uh no that's not i can't i thought it's good about fear to make a tangential back into the news by going via notional via the comments to to but anyway so lavana got exploited um 59:17.751 --> 59:42.662 yeah notional called it or they said they knew what was because of course they would on twitter but um so the exploit explained to me via the spreadsheet uh is that a user has 100 success rate trading on the platform um with delays in posting prices on osmosis due to congestion so this is a timing attack right 59:45.891 --> 59:47.792 Sounds like they exploded the Oracle. 59:49.253 --> 59:53.355 There's a timing attack based on the... But isn't this literally what TWAP is for, right? 59:53.475 --> 59:55.556 Or is this nothing to do with TWAP? 59:55.616 --> 59:56.376 Get back in your lane. 59:56.396 --> 59:57.757 You don't understand DeFi. 59:58.117 --> 59:58.797 What is TWAP? 59:59.017 --> 01:00:01.839 What the fuck is TWAP? 01:00:02.879 --> 01:00:13.184 TWAP is... That's a mechanism, I believe, so that the public DEXs can't be manipulated by, you know, 01:00:15.405 --> 01:00:41.803 selling on thin volume and stuff like that so it's it's a time it's like a you have to collect a certain amount of time history but ah okay the mechanism got it so time weighted average price t-web that's a that's a bold assumption that they were doing that uh so the levana uses pith so it's different it wouldn't be a t-web thing 01:00:44.116 --> 01:00:45.137 So there was a congestion. 01:00:45.157 --> 01:00:48.899 So what is Pith is putting transactions on chain? 01:00:48.939 --> 01:00:50.600 Is that what they're doing for Oracle prices? 01:00:50.660 --> 01:00:53.301 Or what is the congestion at Oracle to do with it? 01:00:54.682 --> 01:00:59.064 So a normal price feeder that is like Kujira or something like that, right? 01:00:59.765 --> 01:01:04.648 All the validators take the prices and they submitted every transaction. 01:01:04.668 --> 01:01:10.511 Some have TWAP, which is time-weighted average price for DEXs and stuff like osmosis. 01:01:11.874 --> 01:01:16.718 Pith is a smart contract, and they feed the smart contract with prices. 01:01:17.319 --> 01:01:18.620 So they put transactions in the chain. 01:01:19.741 --> 01:01:32.532 Yeah, and if you have, I guess, I'm not 100% sure what the exploit is, but presumably if you have congestion on the chain or they're able to slow the chain or whatever, then they could slow the feeding of prices into the chain. 01:01:33.422 --> 01:01:34.724 into the smart contract, I guess. 01:01:35.124 --> 01:01:44.374 I don't really know what they've done, but... It's interesting that Pith actually creates... So they put that on... They actually submit it on chain, and so somehow the DEX reads the chain data? 01:01:44.394 --> 01:01:45.556 Is that what's going on? 01:01:45.716 --> 01:01:48.699 So yeah, if you could slow the blocks down so that the... 01:01:49.600 --> 01:02:18.534 the prices that were written because they're there's going to have to be consensus on the price so that needs to be written if the block is minted slowly or if it could or if the chain is is performing poorly then it's going to mean that there's a lag right and then you can exploit the right because it's using the latest price right so this is like a very obvious attack number one it would be weird that that decks would continue without accurate price data like the first thing you want to know is that i believe there was an exploit of some some description like i think there was some 01:02:20.052 --> 01:02:20.692 Oh, okay. 01:02:21.192 --> 01:02:21.853 There's a reason. 01:02:21.873 --> 01:02:24.914 Some thing, yeah, some coded thing that they have exploited. 01:02:24.934 --> 01:02:27.055 I don't think it was just, you can do this. 01:02:27.115 --> 01:02:27.775 Right, okay. 01:02:28.015 --> 01:02:28.495 Oh, I see. 01:02:28.755 --> 01:02:29.796 It was like a bug. 01:02:30.456 --> 01:02:30.696 Yeah. 01:02:31.636 --> 01:02:37.979 So it wasn't just as simple as like, you know, you spam, you slow, you win. 01:02:38.059 --> 01:02:41.420 No, because it would still be difficult to do. 01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:49.123 Because they obviously knew which way, like if that was what they were doing, they would have to know. 01:02:49.793 --> 01:03:11.890 which way the price was going to go for the next block because you'd still have to open a position slow the um like you know it doesn't really make too much difference so so so in the comments ben davis says well notional were able to think of this before it happened which means that you must be able to exploit this using go more tidy so it can't be that complex and exploit 01:03:13.717 --> 01:03:21.932 Yeah, I mean, I am surprised that a DEX would be able to continue without it knowing that it's using outdated price data. 01:03:22.733 --> 01:03:24.857 Like, that seems some basic fucking coding... 01:03:25.743 --> 01:03:46.686 structure to say hey we're relying on this price data that drives the whole fucking situation here if that's maybe 10 seconds old maybe we should take some hit the brakes here to make sure that that something's going on right like that is like it's like a it's like it's a critical api feed it's also weird that it's on chain actually that no actually i can see the unchain like being a backup to the prices but you think they would just call an api 01:03:47.307 --> 01:03:50.851 Like, why would you deal with a transaction and, like, fucking gas rights or anything else? 01:03:50.932 --> 01:03:58.641 Rama's actually shouted out in the comments to say the patch is that you don't allow new trades until there is a Pyth... Pyth? 01:03:58.721 --> 01:03:58.982 Pyth? 01:03:59.402 --> 01:03:59.863 Pyth. 01:04:00.063 --> 01:04:00.283 Pyth. 01:04:00.884 --> 01:04:02.926 Pyth price update. 01:04:03.547 --> 01:04:05.688 So it's literally that. 01:04:05.728 --> 01:04:11.791 So presumably, even if you had TWAP or whatever, I know Pith is a different mechanism, but it's the equivalent. 01:04:11.831 --> 01:04:19.074 The equivalent TWAP exploit would be you only take a window of prices, but you don't care where the window is. 01:04:19.214 --> 01:04:22.115 And then if the chain slows down, your window would be offset. 01:04:23.136 --> 01:04:30.519 So I think it's basically about the statelessness of now, whereas if you only care about the concept of now... 01:04:31.019 --> 01:04:53.110 without caring about how now is relative to the last price you got then you can have sad times is my understanding so i think what like reading between the lines i think what's happening is that that someone is opening big big trades on stale prices knowing the next price update yeah 01:04:54.773 --> 01:05:00.418 So knowing that the price has already moved down, opening a position on a stale price. 01:05:00.438 --> 01:05:02.459 They see the prices before the chain sees the prices. 01:05:03.420 --> 01:05:05.602 Yeah, exactly. 01:05:05.662 --> 01:05:07.524 And knowing what the last price was. 01:05:08.084 --> 01:05:09.585 Yeah, you get the horse race results early. 01:05:11.087 --> 01:05:13.689 You know exactly which way it's going, so you can buy either side of that. 01:05:14.189 --> 01:05:16.531 While also spamming the chain. 01:05:16.811 --> 01:05:18.813 That's right, which goes into his question. 01:05:18.853 --> 01:05:21.795 Why does Asmosis shit the bed at 30 transactions a block? 01:05:22.156 --> 01:05:23.677 I don't know the answer to that question. 01:05:25.543 --> 01:05:29.227 It's quite a low number of transactions, isn't it? 01:05:29.327 --> 01:05:31.410 It is a low number of transactions, yes. 01:05:33.292 --> 01:05:34.974 In the grand scheme of things, yes. 01:05:35.134 --> 01:05:37.056 I mean, Cosmo's changed. 01:05:37.076 --> 01:05:38.418 We don't see a ton of transactions, right? 01:05:39.038 --> 01:05:39.799 But, I mean, other than... 01:05:40.945 --> 01:05:47.630 Oracle transactions, which actually drives the TPS or like up at least 40 or 50, depending on how many validators. 01:05:47.670 --> 01:05:47.810 Right. 01:05:48.490 --> 01:05:59.158 So yeah, it is, it is weird that osmosis can't is if it, if that's, I don't know if that's accurate or not, but you guys would know more than that would, but if it's having an issue at 30 or 40 transactions per block, that seems a little bit weird. 01:06:03.098 --> 01:06:07.384 Yeah, I mean, so they might have been doing a gas attack or something like that. 01:06:07.604 --> 01:06:10.668 Yeah, they could have been very big transactions. 01:06:11.349 --> 01:06:16.797 You could also... I don't know, but yeah, Osmosis isn't permissionless Cosmos, isn't it? 01:06:16.817 --> 01:06:18.779 Because I was about to say, oh, you can just do the classic... 01:06:19.620 --> 01:06:43.212 um instantiate a bunch of smart contracts attack no it's permissioned yeah which is yeah but you can't do that as permissions obviously but like baby's first permissionless smart contract to exploit is to do some variation on just um pay the gas and instantiate a bunch of contracts uh which had a ridiculously big instantiation message and it just slows the chain right down 01:06:44.011 --> 01:06:55.497 It's really weird that this was not, number one, I mean, you're building a whole platform around having some sort of accurate understanding of price, even though they are creating prices themselves, right? 01:06:55.577 --> 01:07:13.045 But if it's reliant on some sort of structure related to external price oracling and some sort of understood, at least value they can use upon, it's weird that that would be not part of an error correcting type structure to say, hey, if we're not receiving a price block, then obviously we should 01:07:13.505 --> 01:07:34.365 be able to either halt trading or do something with that it's weird yeah like being up being unable to like you you think you'd have to receive a price update with the block that the transactions are going into and it'd be based on that price update not the state there'd be like a logic around all that right like it's it's really anyway whatever 01:07:37.659 --> 01:08:03.349 there's a version of that isn't there on noise because they have exactly the same problem which is that you need there's obviously a delay on the price being not the price the random beacon being written but it can't be too far in the past because otherwise somebody could also be reading the random beacon yeah so it's windowed again isn't it there's like a there's a 01:08:05.249 --> 01:08:25.728 20 seconds okay it's been a while since since noise launched I can't remember what Simon said I think it's 20 seconds isn't it there's like a as soon as you fall out of the window whatever it is 20 seconds it's like whoa that's stale man don't do that friends don't know friends write stale data we'll trade on stale data 01:08:26.812 --> 01:08:26.972 Right. 01:08:28.173 --> 01:08:30.554 So somebody, uh, I forget who asked, maybe it was wrong. 01:08:30.574 --> 01:08:33.176 Somebody asked about if DYDX also could suffer from this. 01:08:34.436 --> 01:08:42.161 Um, but they don't, they, but I don't read an Oracle for DYDX unless is it pulling off the Ethereum? 01:08:43.871 --> 01:08:44.672 Oh, it's built into the binary? 01:08:44.712 --> 01:08:46.313 Or is it pulling it from somewhere else? 01:08:46.333 --> 01:08:53.360 Yeah, so if you look in your configuration directory, there's a configuration for price feeder in there. 01:08:53.580 --> 01:08:55.602 And it's just built into the main binary. 01:08:55.622 --> 01:08:57.123 So they should do that. 01:08:57.324 --> 01:09:00.166 And I don't think you're slashed on it either. 01:09:00.727 --> 01:09:00.887 Yeah. 01:09:02.031 --> 01:09:02.451 Clearly not. 01:09:02.491 --> 01:09:03.832 I've never configured a single thing with it. 01:09:03.933 --> 01:09:06.615 So I don't even know what endpoints it'd be using. 01:09:06.675 --> 01:09:12.579 It must be using something obviously not limited by everybody else hitting the same endpoint with the same config. 01:09:12.599 --> 01:09:22.567 So that's... Yeah, well, they used to have... So there's a couple of things like the bridge as well is very important for DYDX. 01:09:22.647 --> 01:09:28.592 And they used to have in the test net, they just had like a hard-coded, you know, 01:09:29.213 --> 01:09:34.715 RPC that everyone had hit during the, unless, unless you manually changed it yourself. 01:09:35.855 --> 01:09:51.599 Um, and then when they hit mainnet, they actually changed that so that you had to put a public, well, an RPC for the, um, in your start command, the binary wouldn't run unless you put it in there. 01:09:52.339 --> 01:09:52.499 Right. 01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:54.220 Um, yeah, so. 01:09:54.795 --> 01:09:56.338 that's the bridge part. 01:09:56.538 --> 01:10:05.694 And then there's the price article, I think, which is just like built in and it's got a config there, but it's all pre-configured when you do your, when you initialize the change. 01:10:06.738 --> 01:10:07.258 That's interesting. 01:10:07.499 --> 01:10:08.459 So that must get updated. 01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:13.062 Obviously it must be somehow programmable because it's pulling specific pairs, right? 01:10:14.603 --> 01:10:16.084 Or some sort of like, right? 01:10:16.204 --> 01:10:21.808 So some specific pairs, but the number of items that are actually being Oracle must increase, right? 01:10:21.888 --> 01:10:23.029 As the number of assets increase. 01:10:23.690 --> 01:10:26.111 So I wonder how that works or I wonder what they're pulling from. 01:10:28.093 --> 01:10:29.994 So I haven't looked too much into it. 01:10:30.194 --> 01:10:35.978 I only just noticed that they had the config and I asked them about it and they said, yeah, it's like, 01:10:36.684 --> 01:10:49.052 we just when you instantiate it's already there but i'll have a quick look at one of these nodes uh if i can remember where they are it is interesting that that wasn't a check but whatever looks like they're fixing it so 01:10:50.585 --> 01:11:15.346 in terms of the osmosis tps and why that's why that has an issue i i don't know what that would be i have no idea if that's if if that is literally a limitation based on gas max or something similar to that or i would there's no reason it couldn't handle obviously 10 or 20 times that or more right so so i i noticed some interesting stuff by the way with um 01:11:17.352 --> 01:11:21.115 with the DYDX staking lately is like a couple of projects. 01:11:21.656 --> 01:11:37.589 I would say like, you know, how there's like these project validators, like I just noticed ping.pub and coin hall, which both have like, so ping's a explorer and coin hall is like a, a DEX aggregator, I guess you would say. 01:11:38.550 --> 01:11:43.935 Um, and I noticed they both got staked a million, um, DYDX from 01:11:44.727 --> 01:12:13.054 the same wallet so it appears like it could be teams supporting like the team it appears as if it could be the team supporting um projects you know because they just they started up their validator and then leapfrogged up to the top 20 straight away so um but yeah just oh man i don't have do you guys use so i have um like a bunch of stuff configured for visual studio code but 01:12:13.669 --> 01:12:18.072 Now I've just got so many servers that I just can't keep up with the bloody hosts file. 01:12:18.092 --> 01:12:19.392 So manually. 01:12:19.453 --> 01:12:20.213 Oh, I don't do that. 01:12:21.274 --> 01:12:22.354 How do you manage the? 01:12:23.495 --> 01:12:23.655 What? 01:12:25.476 --> 01:12:28.118 So like when you don't connect to remote servers with it? 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:30.299 Through what part? 01:12:30.599 --> 01:12:31.820 Oh, you mean like through Ansel? 01:12:33.341 --> 01:12:34.301 No, no, no. 01:12:34.442 --> 01:12:41.806 So Visual Studio Code, it's got like a remote tunnel, like the remote explorer. 01:12:42.321 --> 01:12:42.701 It's great. 01:12:42.761 --> 01:12:49.784 Like you, if you configure your servers, then you can just click on the, you know, the, which server you want to go to. 01:12:49.844 --> 01:12:53.365 And then it brings up all of your folders in your home directory. 01:12:53.385 --> 01:12:57.787 It looks like you're trying to tunnel to a server. 01:12:57.827 --> 01:12:58.327 Can I help? 01:12:58.427 --> 01:13:00.848 And you're like, Oh no, I was actually trying to write a form letter. 01:13:02.668 --> 01:13:06.370 So it's like an SFTP basically Explorer is what it's doing, right? 01:13:07.910 --> 01:13:08.170 Using it. 01:13:08.290 --> 01:13:08.570 Yeah. 01:13:08.611 --> 01:13:08.791 Yeah. 01:13:08.811 --> 01:13:09.431 Okay. 01:13:10.353 --> 01:13:13.554 But you can just edit the files directly on your servers and that type of stuff. 01:13:14.174 --> 01:13:15.054 Oh, okay. 01:13:15.154 --> 01:13:15.434 That's cool. 01:13:15.454 --> 01:13:16.494 I don't think I've ever done that. 01:13:16.514 --> 01:13:18.235 Oh, it's like super handy, man. 01:13:18.295 --> 01:13:19.015 I use it all the time. 01:13:19.335 --> 01:13:20.875 But I'm just a little bit behind on that. 01:13:20.895 --> 01:13:22.756 I don't really edit any files on servers, though. 01:13:25.116 --> 01:13:26.257 Like I might, man. 01:13:27.177 --> 01:13:28.057 I do edit files. 01:13:28.077 --> 01:13:30.278 Restarting services. 01:13:30.598 --> 01:13:32.118 Yeah. 01:13:32.578 --> 01:13:40.000 Like, for example, if I go and update like a price feeder for Kujira, I usually just use that. 01:13:41.365 --> 01:13:42.966 How do you restart the service? 01:13:42.986 --> 01:13:43.586 A couple little things. 01:13:45.027 --> 01:13:47.849 How do I restart? 01:13:48.609 --> 01:13:51.551 You can use the terminal to also just restart it. 01:13:51.851 --> 01:13:54.652 ISSH, I don't use. 01:13:54.733 --> 01:13:58.315 I only use it where I need to configure big files that's hard to find shit in. 01:13:58.895 --> 01:13:59.795 I got you. 01:13:59.835 --> 01:14:01.476 You can just copy it over. 01:14:01.496 --> 01:14:04.138 Here you go. 01:14:04.798 --> 01:14:06.739 Price feed exchange config. 01:14:06.859 --> 01:14:07.580 Count that out. 01:14:08.780 --> 01:14:09.421 Super exciting. 01:14:11.147 --> 01:14:30.139 this is the content ftp clients right ftp clients only on cayman notes to everybody um so there's a fine piece of news and fdp you can ssh and ftp so i'm gonna have to torrent slap chop because it's not on a service that i can i not slap chop server um 01:14:32.861 --> 01:14:50.770 because i've i've basically watched a bunch of clips from on youtube from it and i really want to watch it but i still just it was on my to-do list for last week and then things got derailed by illness it's it's it's literally like 25 of the length of that that lord of the rings movie you just watched so it's only like an hour and a half it's like hour 20 maybe 01:14:51.562 --> 01:15:12.609 oh for sure but like you know what's weird is you kind of go okay there's a lot of content like to be fair the extended cut is there's a lot of content it was a well-made film it was a well-made trilogy of films and you go like fucking hell like the the entire lot and it is long is like i don't know whatever 10 hours or something like that and then you look at how long some tv series are and you're like 01:15:14.358 --> 01:15:20.001 There are some bits of it that are, you know, a very small amount of butter on a very big piece of toast. 01:15:20.061 --> 01:15:33.588 Like all this stuff with Frodo and Sam, you're like, there's so little butter and the piece of bread is so big, you know, but you look at some TV series now where it's like 14 episodes on like, there was like a documentary about David Beckham or something. 01:15:33.608 --> 01:15:34.729 It was like six episodes. 01:15:34.769 --> 01:15:36.930 And you're like, you could get it done in an hour. 01:15:36.950 --> 01:15:38.711 Be like, he's a footballer. 01:15:38.771 --> 01:15:40.312 He shagged somebody that wasn't his wife. 01:15:40.812 --> 01:15:43.114 Real Madrid, LA Galaxy, done. 01:15:43.394 --> 01:15:44.776 That's how much butter you've got. 01:15:44.816 --> 01:15:46.998 The piece of bread does not need any, whatever. 01:15:49.580 --> 01:15:52.042 But Slapshot, I will, I'm going to fuck it. 01:15:52.182 --> 01:15:54.244 Oh, and final, final point on films. 01:15:55.205 --> 01:16:02.351 Obviously, the greatest Christmas, Christmas film of all, Wake and Fright. 01:16:02.431 --> 01:16:02.531 Yes. 01:16:05.819 --> 01:16:12.203 Have we all forgotten that Wake and Fright happens when he goes away on holiday? 01:16:12.763 --> 01:16:14.584 He goes away for his Christmas holiday. 01:16:14.604 --> 01:16:19.527 He's trying to get back to Sydney for his Christmas holiday and he gets stuck in the yabba. 01:16:22.209 --> 01:16:22.609 Wow. 01:16:23.190 --> 01:16:23.870 Details, man. 01:16:24.390 --> 01:16:24.651 Listen. 01:16:26.632 --> 01:16:34.557 I just want to finish the fucking thoughts we were having like two minutes ago before we moved on to film talk. 01:16:34.737 --> 01:16:34.877 So 01:16:36.004 --> 01:16:45.127 checking the price oracle config is actually just lists the, the, um, exchanges and timeouts. 01:16:45.447 --> 01:17:02.272 So gleaning from that, I imagine that all of the connectivity configuration is actually built into the binary and, and then it is probably just scrapes the, uh, the pairs from the module. 01:17:03.664 --> 01:17:24.661 after they're enabled because you know we do we do gov updates to enable pairs so we do i'm assuming that it queries the module for the pairs and then it goes to the public endpoints for those gotcha um exchanges and you can turn the exchanges on and off in the uh in the config file that's cool now letter kenny 01:17:25.407 --> 01:17:26.587 Yes, it started. 01:17:27.267 --> 01:17:27.588 Series 12. 01:17:29.048 --> 01:17:30.308 I think they dropped them all at once. 01:17:31.308 --> 01:17:33.049 Is there more than six or is it just six? 01:17:33.869 --> 01:17:34.489 It's just six. 01:17:34.549 --> 01:17:35.909 Is that all of them? 01:17:35.970 --> 01:17:36.630 I watched them all. 01:17:36.650 --> 01:17:38.010 That's too bad. 01:17:38.510 --> 01:17:46.592 It looks like... The missus was asleep this morning, so I spent three hours just bombing those before the... Just blowing through the letter. 01:17:47.552 --> 01:17:50.973 Yeah, so it looks like... Yeah, I mean, that's it. 01:17:51.013 --> 01:17:52.673 That's the final season. 01:17:52.713 --> 01:17:53.414 The end of an era. 01:17:53.434 --> 01:17:54.174 12 seasons. 01:17:54.314 --> 01:17:54.494 It was... 01:17:55.802 --> 01:18:00.283 Yeah, it's an interesting season. 01:18:00.303 --> 01:18:05.765 I didn't know until the surfer just said it's the last season, but it certainly seemed like the last season watching it. 01:18:05.925 --> 01:18:06.905 Yeah. 01:18:08.425 --> 01:18:11.906 I've got a lot of comments, people asking if Sheltie came from Letterkenny. 01:18:12.487 --> 01:18:13.867 It did not, in case anyone's wondering. 01:18:16.087 --> 01:18:43.000 hopefully so that uh what's the spin-off i hope that keeps going because that's great shoresy shoresy shoresy is a good song a good show i mean but but like he takes these characters it'd be interesting what other it could spin off that that show if anything maybe something about miss well he he only plays the two characters right like shoresy and uh yeah so i guess he doesn't have to be i guess maybe yeah he's probably just like ah fucking we need to change this up so let's do shoresy instead 01:18:43.516 --> 01:18:47.898 Yeah, I mean, it was 12 seasons, but I think it was, what was it, like maybe seven, eight years or something like that? 01:18:47.918 --> 01:18:49.838 Because there was a couple that were, I mean, they weren't like. 01:18:49.918 --> 01:18:53.680 Yeah, they were like, yeah, like half yearlies or something. 01:18:53.700 --> 01:18:53.980 Yeah, yeah. 01:18:54.340 --> 01:18:58.101 But yeah, man, Katie, she needs to be in Shorzy because. 01:18:59.102 --> 01:18:59.862 Yep, she won't be. 01:18:59.882 --> 01:19:00.522 She needs to be there. 01:19:01.743 --> 01:19:02.163 Dang it. 01:19:02.923 --> 01:19:06.145 Fuck. 01:19:06.805 --> 01:19:12.727 But yeah, man, that was good for the little Christmas break to get a little bit of letter candy towards the end of it. 01:19:14.568 --> 01:19:15.428 but not, not much else. 01:19:15.849 --> 01:19:15.949 Good. 01:19:15.969 --> 01:19:16.969 It's been coming out lately. 01:19:17.009 --> 01:19:17.209 Isn't it? 01:19:17.970 --> 01:19:19.050 I think you guys watch Fargo. 01:19:19.511 --> 01:19:20.831 Fargo is fucking fantastic. 01:19:20.891 --> 01:19:21.271 I love it. 01:19:21.492 --> 01:19:22.412 I have, it's on my list. 01:19:23.212 --> 01:19:24.113 I've heard it's awesome though. 01:19:24.313 --> 01:19:25.974 We just watched the movie actually a couple of weeks ago. 01:19:26.014 --> 01:19:27.375 So we're kind of, I'm all prepped up. 01:19:27.395 --> 01:19:27.695 Oh yeah. 01:19:28.195 --> 01:19:28.355 Yeah. 01:19:29.336 --> 01:19:33.458 I've been working through, um, what we do in the shadows, which is fantastic. 01:19:33.858 --> 01:19:34.658 Absolutely. 01:19:35.819 --> 01:19:36.099 Yes. 01:19:36.179 --> 01:19:38.380 That is very funny. 01:19:39.441 --> 01:19:40.401 Who is your friend? 01:19:40.701 --> 01:19:40.921 Right. 01:19:40.981 --> 01:19:42.022 Matt, uh, 01:19:43.587 --> 01:20:10.721 matt what's his last name barry barry yeah that's it he's also in taste of london and whatnot oh rama thought that uh schultzy had frozen or died one of the two i feel like i've died it was a long night last night yeah so i'm just like barely holding in there oh because of the storm and other things yeah 01:20:12.313 --> 01:20:13.795 Oh, did you guys have a storm there as well? 01:20:15.797 --> 01:20:17.259 Yeah, we talked about it before you joined in. 01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:19.601 It was a windstorm last night and trees were coming down all over. 01:20:19.661 --> 01:20:20.542 Power was out all over. 01:20:20.562 --> 01:20:22.184 And it just wrecks my nerves. 01:20:23.906 --> 01:20:26.288 Schultz's energy is like the awesome world. 01:20:26.388 --> 01:20:26.969 Action, please. 01:20:29.844 --> 01:20:30.784 That's you right now. 01:20:31.525 --> 01:20:32.025 That's right. 01:20:32.065 --> 01:20:34.846 That's right. 01:20:34.886 --> 01:20:35.807 That is actually to be fair. 01:20:35.827 --> 01:20:43.050 Like when I joined, when I joined before we, we went live, that was literally, I think you were literally leading back in your chair at the time. 01:20:43.070 --> 01:20:48.152 And, and, and I was just like, ah, so there's something's been going on. 01:20:49.832 --> 01:20:50.113 Yeah. 01:20:50.373 --> 01:20:50.633 Yeah. 01:20:50.793 --> 01:20:51.013 Yeah. 01:20:51.313 --> 01:20:53.114 It's not too bad, but I'm, I'm spent. 01:20:53.154 --> 01:20:53.654 I'm tired. 01:20:53.674 --> 01:20:55.455 I know holidays too. 01:20:55.475 --> 01:20:56.395 We said folks leave. 01:20:56.435 --> 01:20:57.896 And so, yeah, it's just, 01:20:59.378 --> 01:21:27.326 oh you end up stayed up we stay up late drinking every night or just hanging out or whatever else so just take some more out of you i'm looking forward to that uh when does that happen how many how many years old uh when they can go to bed by themselves like 12 years or something like that oh cool right no worries sick um that's that's when we get that's when we get drinking nights back good to know good to know yep oh well so boys i've been doing some research on uh texas 01:21:27.884 --> 01:21:34.008 Because of the upcoming, which we still need to get the compound for, by the way. 01:21:34.048 --> 01:21:35.809 That's still your responsibility. 01:21:35.949 --> 01:21:36.430 Oh, it is? 01:21:37.350 --> 01:21:37.591 Yeah. 01:21:39.032 --> 01:21:42.734 Just keep it under $200 a night. 01:21:44.375 --> 01:21:49.739 And so I want to go to Comedy Mothership while we're there. 01:21:49.759 --> 01:21:51.480 Ooh, what's that? 01:21:52.320 --> 01:21:54.442 That's Joe Rogan's comedy club. 01:21:55.402 --> 01:22:17.511 no is that in austin joe rogan the joe rogan podcast oh my god it all fits i used to listen to the podcast but there are a lot of suddenly a little bit anyway i but i want to go there so is that it's in austin that's in austin yeah oh yeah okay cool 01:22:19.603 --> 01:22:46.517 I don't know if I want to go to some right winger friggin comedy club that just sounds really boring what is uh why is he is he right wing yes he's very very right wing yeah for sure I thought he was like neutral no at a surface level you listen for more than half a second you're like yeah yeah definitive no 01:22:47.785 --> 01:22:56.991 But also found out that Texas is probably going to eclipse California pretty soon as the biggest GDP in the States. 01:22:57.952 --> 01:22:58.652 Because of oil? 01:23:00.193 --> 01:23:02.775 No, they're like a huge tech sector. 01:23:02.895 --> 01:23:06.757 Logging, natural gas, oil. 01:23:07.038 --> 01:23:08.719 Retail's big out there too. 01:23:08.779 --> 01:23:09.239 Ranching. 01:23:09.839 --> 01:23:11.500 Cows and shit. 01:23:11.901 --> 01:23:13.882 That's not doing it. 01:23:14.182 --> 01:23:15.083 That part's not helping though. 01:23:16.301 --> 01:23:19.902 Yeah, I think there's like tons of people moving there as well. 01:23:21.622 --> 01:23:23.943 That'll be interesting. 01:23:24.363 --> 01:23:28.244 Should be... I don't know. 01:23:28.304 --> 01:23:28.724 I'm excited. 01:23:29.564 --> 01:23:32.645 In the interest of completionism, we have one more. 01:23:32.665 --> 01:23:33.105 For this year. 01:23:33.806 --> 01:23:34.926 We didn't really talk much about 2023, did we? 01:23:36.280 --> 01:23:41.164 We should probably do an award show podcast like we did last year. 01:23:41.184 --> 01:23:41.524 Nah. 01:23:41.545 --> 01:23:41.705 Nah. 01:23:41.725 --> 01:23:41.785 Nah. 01:23:41.825 --> 01:23:41.885 Nah. 01:23:41.905 --> 01:23:42.005 Nah. 01:23:42.065 --> 01:23:42.165 Nah. 01:23:42.205 --> 01:23:42.265 Nah. 01:23:42.285 --> 01:23:42.365 Nah. 01:23:42.826 --> 01:23:42.906 Nah. 01:23:42.926 --> 01:23:42.986 Nah. 01:23:43.006 --> 01:23:43.066 Nah. 01:23:43.086 --> 01:23:43.146 Nah. 01:23:43.166 --> 01:23:43.246 Nah. 01:23:43.406 --> 01:23:43.506 Nah. 01:23:43.526 --> 01:23:43.606 Nah. 01:23:43.626 --> 01:23:43.706 Nah. 01:23:43.746 --> 01:23:43.826 Nah. 01:23:43.846 --> 01:23:44.087 Nah. 01:23:44.327 --> 01:23:44.507 Nah. 01:23:44.587 --> 01:23:44.767 Nah. 01:23:44.787 --> 01:23:44.887 Nah. 01:23:44.907 --> 01:23:44.967 Nah. 01:23:44.987 --> 01:23:45.047 Nah. 01:23:45.068 --> 01:23:45.148 Nah. 01:23:45.168 --> 01:23:45.388 Nah. 01:23:45.408 --> 01:23:45.508 Nah. 01:23:45.528 --> 01:23:45.608 Nah. 01:23:45.628 --> 01:23:45.708 Nah. 01:24:02.256 --> 01:24:26.808 s what's s like we do a thorough thorough review of all of the films of uh 2023 wake in fright would be s plus tier obviously i've got the i've got a good feeling about slap shop you'll like it i've got the feeling i'm gonna like it have you still not watched it let me watch a mighty we mentioned hospital stuff i've had other concerns and you know torrenting a film has not been on my to-do list 01:24:27.369 --> 01:24:31.573 I mean, that film has been mentioned now for, what, three, four weeks? 01:24:32.154 --> 01:24:37.198 Loads of shit has happened between... I watched it the same fucking day. 01:24:37.759 --> 01:24:40.621 Oh, what we should be talking about is... Anybody watch Die Hard over the holidays? 01:24:41.102 --> 01:24:41.702 Yeah, of course. 01:24:41.723 --> 01:24:43.905 Wake up early, carve out a couple of hours. 01:24:44.585 --> 01:24:46.147 Die Hard 1 and 2, obviously. 01:24:46.247 --> 01:24:47.348 I watched all three, actually. 01:24:48.234 --> 01:24:49.315 They're so mad to me. 01:24:49.395 --> 01:24:53.939 They're fine movies, but like... I mean, I just don't understand. 01:24:53.979 --> 01:25:01.985 You're over here re-watching director's cuts for fucking four hours each, and you can't carve off an hour and a half to watch Slapshot. 01:25:02.856 --> 01:25:26.761 you couldn't find it because you have to watch you have to watch a film on a tv which means you have to get it on something that you can then watch it like i could probably find it just sit on my own and watch it on my laptop like a fucking loser but i want to watch it in my living room through a sound system with my partner whereas the dvd of lord the rings i can put it in the thing also it's like her favorite 01:25:27.481 --> 01:25:49.473 um you know films it's really easy when we're stressed out to put on something that everybody can agree is good you go um there we go good slap shots higher risk your your fear is that it won't actually be good yeah i think i will like it i don't know i i can't there's no accounting for everybody's a different taste man um but anyway final thing on the spreadsheet 01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:54.922 Osmosis and Juno mesh on testnet. 01:25:55.182 --> 01:25:55.722 It's happened. 01:25:55.842 --> 01:25:58.383 What is that? 01:25:58.423 --> 01:26:01.684 Remember like a year ago, a year and a half ago. 01:26:02.984 --> 01:26:03.144 Oh! 01:26:03.164 --> 01:26:04.745 What do you mean it's happened? 01:26:04.845 --> 01:26:06.025 Wait, wait, wait. 01:26:06.826 --> 01:26:07.526 That's bullshit. 01:26:08.906 --> 01:26:13.468 Don't validators do something for that or no? 01:26:13.728 --> 01:26:14.748 Smart contract, baby. 01:26:14.888 --> 01:26:16.069 Way to go to my validator. 01:26:17.209 --> 01:26:17.809 Smart contract. 01:26:21.090 --> 01:26:40.198 merry x mesh uh to be fair i think there are some um extensions required uh but they're just in the binary i don't think that validates have to do anything different because it's just packets over ibc isn't it it's just interchain accounts so what you're saying is 650 nights that's too much 01:26:47.375 --> 01:26:48.136 Actually, it's not that bad. 01:26:48.156 --> 01:26:49.097 $200 each, right? 01:26:49.197 --> 01:26:49.777 Is that what you're saying? 01:26:49.817 --> 01:26:51.419 That's your limit? 01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:51.659 $200 each. 01:26:52.360 --> 01:26:53.160 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:26:53.300 --> 01:26:54.281 Each, yeah. 01:26:54.301 --> 01:26:54.462 $200 each. 01:26:55.482 --> 01:26:59.006 That was the previous budget that you had put forward. 01:26:59.906 --> 01:27:01.908 I mean, that's kind of the limit where you stop bitching. 01:27:02.509 --> 01:27:03.390 Or at least you don't bitch as much. 01:27:03.970 --> 01:27:05.692 That's the limit where I start bitching. 01:27:06.579 --> 01:27:32.346 no yeah once you once you pull that limit it's just like like pager duty there's levels of so so if we had if we had if we had eight people that you're saying i could find something for 1600 a night and you'd be like okay i mean if we got eight people yeah we need a compound though right that's right big i can't believe we're off mesh already but okay hold on more important things finding a compound for a week 01:27:34.545 --> 01:27:58.395 yeah that's important oh is this consistent like obviously i'd be happier if it was a hundred but i've already been told that's not possible i'm not willing to go over to you actually the ones i'm seeing here are like like seven bedrooms for 700 a night which in that case is a hey yeah that's way better a hundred hundred dollars a night is your budget it's a share house like 01:28:00.444 --> 01:28:03.526 during a big conference. 01:28:03.906 --> 01:28:07.688 Why do you have to smell other people's farts and only go there to sleep? 01:28:10.910 --> 01:28:11.450 You know what I mean? 01:28:12.211 --> 01:28:13.691 Hey, I'm cheap too. 01:28:13.972 --> 01:28:14.312 I don't know. 01:28:14.532 --> 01:28:19.635 I'm probably more with Jerome on this, with Noel on this one than I am with anybody else. 01:28:19.655 --> 01:28:21.716 Oh, you fucking dick. 01:28:22.896 --> 01:28:23.277 I'm tired. 01:28:25.356 --> 01:28:27.557 How many episodes in? 01:28:27.577 --> 01:28:27.557 94. 01:28:27.697 --> 01:28:27.997 Anyway. 01:28:28.017 --> 01:28:27.997 94? 01:28:29.618 --> 01:28:29.958 Jesus. 01:28:30.578 --> 01:28:32.999 We can clip that from the recording. 01:28:34.080 --> 01:28:35.960 That's a job for Sir. 01:28:36.581 --> 01:28:36.881 I won't. 01:28:37.241 --> 01:28:37.661 Bleep it. 01:28:38.121 --> 01:28:38.501 Bleep it. 01:28:43.023 --> 01:28:44.124 Oh, my. 01:28:44.944 --> 01:28:45.244 All right. 01:28:45.304 --> 01:28:45.845 I found a place.