I mean, you're making the assumption this is the first cup of tea I've had, which clearly,
what I mean, first of all, I don't have this cup of tea yet.
But even if I did, it wouldn't be the first cup of tea I've had today.
Obviously, it would be one of many is what I would say about that.
I feel like you probably need like, you know, how the Yanks have got that fucking drip coffee on their desk.
You need like one of those bit tea.
With what?
You know, you got like the pot, the fucking coffee pot, which is like dripping coffee in there.
Well, I mean, that's called a teapot.
And and we have we have actually invented that technology that that is a thing.
Good for you.
So there is that.
Good for you.
Yeah, I guess that hasn't made it down under yet.
Welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast
from Independent Validator Teams.
Hello, welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from Independent Validator Teams.
And oh, that's a doggie.
Oh, still no sound.
Oh, dude.
One week.
There's no sound on one end.
And then there's iCloud notifications on the other end.
And those taking a phone call.
You and me, buddy.
Sheer embarrassment.
Um, maybe we should have on the stream
more than two minutes after when it's supposed to start.
Just to like iron out these things, like turn off notifications
and make sure the microphone works and make our tea.
Like, usually we start that process at 2102.
I'm saying we back it up 10 minutes.
So here's the thing, right?
Um, yes, I was late.
Yeah.
OK, I accept that.
But at least in my defense, my microphone was on and work first time
and notifications are silenced on the laptop.
Like, it's a low bar.
Like, I fully accept that.
That is 100% the case.
Um, but oh, and I've been delivered a cup of tea.
Oh, look at that.
It turns out just being generally incompetent in life.
Um, people take pity on you.
Oh, it is pity, isn't it?
It is pity.
There's no point pretending it's anything other than pity.
Um, I'll duck out in a minute.
The ones who love you realize that you're incompetent and somehow step in.
Yeah, to fix things.
Yes.
Yeah, a little bit of a little bit of several things, I suppose.
Um, possibly.
Well, it's just laughing at those camera.
So there there is some bullshit on these things.
So when you do something else on your phone, you can't like get the camera back.
So I'm going to have to like, I don't know, disconnect it and reconnect it.
Or I think last time I had to like leave the studio and come back.
You might need to, uh, try hitting the little, uh, camera icon in Chrome to have
it re-associate any sort of permissions.
Maybe sometimes that happens.
The one in the menu bar.
But yes, I mean, the moral of that story is like, don't take a phone call in the
middle of the stream, but I mean, away from that, I mean, otherwise you're right.
And now, so I, Shilty, tell me your mic works because everybody else is left.
Oh my goodness.
Like it's picking up right now, which I think it's my camera.
That is definitely your camera.
Like, yep, for sure.
Yep.
So is the thing just like throw it with problems or what the stream?
Yes.
The stream is for all the problems.
You're, you're sounding great now.
You're good.
Shilty's got the wrong mic.
I always sounded good.
So, oh, you're talking about Shilty.
Okay.
Did it, did it register now?
It might have registered now.
Nope.
Wrong mic.
Right.
Keep trying.
It's like a weekly thing with Shilty that is why we keep this.
It's like the wrong mic.
The mic doesn't work.
It flicks over to his headphones.
Honestly, if we didn't have these issues, the show would only be 60 minutes long.
So it's all good.
You know, I think it's actually my cable because I keep having it.
Yep.
That's definitely it.
Whatever you just touched there went bad.
Well, like muted, right?
Why does it say it's muted?
Because it might have, um, maybe, maybe because it saw them like change or something
or it saw them like disappear.
So maybe it automatically does something.
All right.
Hey, we're back.
Cables.
Fuck this.
I mean, are you kicking the cable?
Well, no, it wasn't, no, it wasn't here.
I've, it's kind of seemed like an opportune moment to go get snacks from the cupboard.
Just leave me alone.
That's fine.
We did it.
We're good.
That's all right.
This is live broadcasting.
Like a lot of funny things have happened.
You know, like on radio, they used to have specific like songs they used to go to that
were long enough that they could go for a piss.
Yes.
If they were like broadcasting solo.
I feel like, hmm.
It does feel like broadcasting solo.
Oh, I was going to say what the one of the this, this might not be a real fact, but
it's one that I kind of remember it being in a documentary, but like, I don't know if
that's like a false memory, but I feel like there was a thing about how one of the
first rush songs to like get played on the radio was short enough to be played on the
radio, but long enough that presenters were like, shit, I can sneak out and go for a piss.
And that was part of the popularity of the song.
But maybe that's not true.
I don't know.
A bigger rush fan than me would have to correct me on that one.
I don't think that's true.
I don't think it's a rush one.
I think, but I think it is referencing it a real situation, but I think it's like, no,
I don't think it was like a 2112 situation or something when it took a shit for 20 minutes
or something.
Because like, wasn't there wasn't the first rush song got some radio play by working
man or something?
Which is not.
Yeah.
It was 74.
That's like seven and a half, eight minutes.
If I remember.
Was it?
It's not that long.
No, there must have been a radio at it.
There's no way to explain it.
Six and a half, seven.
Oh, maybe it's true then.
I'm going for, I'm going for memory here, but it's definitely the longest song off the
original album.
Oh yeah.
Well, if it was there already, oh, okay.
We're going into.
Seven oh six. Boom.
There.
Holy shit.
We go right in on the comments.
If you think there is a radio edit of working man, I don't know.
I don't think there is.
I'm playing a seven minute long song, but that was the day of seven minute songs.
Right.
Like that's like what's that's 74.
What's up on Elton is that?
Is it presence?
No, we before that.
Cause presence was like 78.
It wasn't that's when they're already done.
They're wrapping up.
That's like into the outdoor where nobody showed up and shit.
Like that's like around hold up, hold up.
Achilles last stand is not nobody showed up.
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm a great fucking Elton.
Like, but so a house to the Holy is 73.
I think yeah.
Yeah.
So that's yeah.
It's up on 471.
But you know, there's barely gone.
Start going prog at that point.
Yeah.
But but like you have no quarter at seven minutes, rain song seven minutes.
And then you then right after that physical graffiti.
And you even had.
I was on the nursing.
Yeah.
And you even at that point you had shit.
You probably had what do you call it cashmere is like nine minutes or something.
That would have been 70.
That would have been around the same time.
So I think it's a lot of shit going on there.
It's 70 minutes.
Yeah.
Interesting about that is that's also true of movie lengths.
Movie lengths capped out in the 70s for how long they are.
And then they've been actually decreasing in length ever since.
So except for what do you call it?
Scorsese movies.
Yeah.
I mean, the outliers, of course, but the average length of the movie is actually
lower than it was in the 60s and 70s.
Because there was like they're still trying to figure out, OK, how long can we do it?
Because then there's also the period in which, you know, you go double feature when
there's two weeks back to back and you just kind of wander in and out.
Right.
They're still kind of getting used to that whole situation.
And now it's not a thing anymore.
Barring some theaters, but then they had to reduce the length and blah, blah, blah, blah.
It's definitely your cable.
Like it's like.
Like it's like it's like it's just like it just cuts in and out every once in a while.
So it's definitely something like it's definitely sounds like physical.
OK.
Is it?
All right.
I'll see if I this week uses like one of those mini USBs, the ones that has
like the different bridges and stuff on it.
So I don't really have a replacement cable for it on hand.
Yeah, it's all for you.
We'll make through it.
Yeah.
So here we are.
So I know it's the spreadsheet is like this week has our research a quit.
And he was on the piss instead of doing his job.
What does that mean?
Exactly.
The Australian.
They may drunk all week.
Hey, what do you mean?
What does that term mean?
Exactly.
Yeah, that's a question.
What is that term mean?
On the piss.
Yeah.
On the piss.
It's not really.
That's something that's raised as well.
We say that on the piss.
Get on the piss.
Yeah.
On it.
The it being the piss.
Ben Davis is here.
There you go.
Ben, you can't define the phrase by just repeating the phrase over and over.
That doesn't work.
That is what being on the piss is.
I'm sure he does.
I'm sure Ben's been on the piss.
Who has probably on the piss right now?
I think to be fair, most people who choose the live stream are on the
speaking of on the piss.
I guess our Christmas show is next week.
Right.
Next Wednesday.
Shit.
Is it?
Yeah, it is the 20th.
I guess so.
Next Wednesday, I may be joining from the beach.
What is what date is that?
Is 21.
Fuck.
I'll be in the car.
I'll be joining you from the car.
I have the vague feeling that there's something in my calendar next
Wednesday that isn't this, but I don't know, man.
It's probably fine.
Wait, wait, wait.
Am I going to go see Die Hard at the cinema next Wednesday?
That sounds.
That sounds awesome.
That sounds fucking plausible.
Last year, so last year when I did the same thing, there was like
there's like an independent cinema not too far from me showing Die
Die Hard and just like a pizza night.
Yeah.
And it was great.
It's a great film.
Oh shit, they're doing that here too.
I almost watched Die Hard last night.
It comes up in the every year.
It comes up in the Christmas films section.
It's Christmas film.
It's reading R.
I mean, it's read R mute for language.
Read it.
Radical.
Try to think if I drag my 10 and 12 year olds to this, I see no reason why not to.
Oh yeah.
That was I mean, there's no there's nothing new to you, right?
You shouldn't like Top Gun, right?
They have seen.
Yeah, sure.
They seem to have more violent than Top Gun.
I don't just like PG 13.
No, I got I got with the top rating, though.
It's like from the 80s.
Like an 80s are, which is like a PG 13, like a hard PG 13.
It's like a G.
Now.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. 80s.
I know exactly what you mean by 80s are like now you look at like, what are they?
What were they worried about?
Somebody said, fuck.
That was it.
Yeah, like what they hit somebody.
I think about Australia and America, but like in in England, there was like, I guess
it must have just been like quite cheap to license die hard for a while there.
And like at the end of the 90s, it was just like they just needed a movie that
was recognizable and that had like sleigh bells in it somewhere.
Right.
And like just after work time, like six o'clock, seven o'clock,
no, no, it would have been seven o'clock after the water shed.
So they're allowed to show violence and stuff because there's like a, you know,
I'd show violence on TV until after seven, I think the watershed is seven.
So die hard would always be on like on Christmas Eve.
Yeah.
It just, it was just a cheap film to show after people who just got off work,
they've only just got off on Christmas Eve.
They just want to throw something on, it's got some sleigh bells in it,
some one landers, whatever.
And it's literally always on.
So like every year I've always watched die hard with my dad just before Christmas.
I mean, it's a great movie.
You know, everyone's like, hang on, wait, is die hard a Christmas film?
And you're like, yeah, yeah, obviously.
But definitely.
I mean, they've literally been showing it on the national
broadcaster for fucking 20 years.
Well, they knew it then.
And then they made the second one, which was basically, wasn't it on Christmas
day when that when they took over the little church thing and like
there's the airport and all that shit.
That was Christmas Eve or something.
Well, the first one's like Christmas as well.
Anyway, that's Christmas.
Yeah.
It's Christmas party.
Yes.
The Christmas party.
So it's a few days before Christmas.
But the yeah, the die hard too is the morning of Christmas Eve, isn't it?
It's the night of the night of the night before Christmas.
Right.
And it happens all into Christmas Eve and it ends on the morning of Christmas Eve,
doesn't it, in the middle of the night.
Right.
Yeah.
So I mean, that was probably the best marketing for that movie is the fact
that it was a Christmas so it can get played at Christmas every fucking year.
I wonder how much money it's made.
Probably a few Bob.
A couple of bucks.
Oh, joy.
There's been another fucking update for the Kujira feeder.
Yeah.
Good for you, man.
Oh, exciting.
Treat yourself.
I've just seen in the chat, Ben Davis has said the cosmos, cosmos hub governance
should decide whether or not die hard as Christmas.
They should.
Or not.
They should.
We're pretty rashing about it.
Hey, what's the Nakamoto Tower coefficient associated to the cosmos?
Hey, this guy.
Boom, boom.
Bring out the big guns.
Oh, yeah.
I'm not sure.
Oh, my God.
That's like a mix of that's like a crypto dad joke.
I was already gearing up for their Christmas.
That's pretty good.
What's the Nakamoto Tower coefficient?
Yeah, I've got to find a way of weaseling that into it.
You're going to work it in your PhD.
Yeah, I was going to say.
You're going to be a hit around the water cooler.
A budget cooler with these kind of budget cuts.
No, I don't know.
I don't think this may not surprise you.
I don't know if I'm that popular in the in the tweed circle.
You're not very popular in the circle of tweed.
Well, people don't really seem to not many people seem to reply to my emails.
I don't know if I'm just because they're busy, right?
And the one of the first times I went and took up a desk, which I was like given the
key to the room and it's like my supervisors room, whatever.
And it's like kind of darkly somebody died over there.
And then this is this is a free desk, I think.
I think actually that was a misspeak and it was the person who had that desk has died,
which is also dark.
But I'm not dead yet.
Just anyway, I think I'll go for a while.
I was sitting down for like five minutes and somebody came in and was like, how dare you
sit at that desk?
I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ.
I'm out of my depth here.
I was like, I just want to I just need a place to fucking plug in a laptop house and
playman.
I had that Nakamoto Tower coefficient joke.
I might get you some points around there.
Let's be like, how's that Nakamoto Tower coefficient working out for you?
And they'll be like, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Get off.
Get off this floor.
He stole my desk, but I like the phrase.
He's got a good sense of humor.
He stole my desk.
He made fun of my pocket protector and my and my tweed jacket.
And my tweed jacket.
No, I'm not sure I've seen any tweed jackets.
No tweed jackets?
Not the Crypto Arm, right?
Not in this.
That's on the other side.
No, I think the tweed jackets is just like generic posh English people, right?
It's quite.
Yeah, but it's more a professor thing.
I was actually hitting on the professor, not so much English.
All right.
I think tweet is more of like an affectation.
You can kind of find more liberally sprinkled through the upper and middle classes in this
country, maybe, especially anybody who maybe remotely has a Scottish relative.
Yeah, you see that when people get married?
It's like that I was, yeah, I've seen that a couple of times where it's like, you know,
people have got their tart and and it's like, I didn't know you were Scottish.
I can't think.
I don't even know what professors look like anymore.
Yeah, it's like, well, yeah, it's a little bit like no offense, but it's a little bit
like, you know, some American people who are like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm Irish and you're
like, oh, right.
When did your family come over there?
Like, 150 years ago.
Like, oh, okay.
So it's been a while.
Yes.
It's been a little while.
Oh, my, my, my English professor, that would remind me of like Donald, Donald Southern
London Animal House or something like that.
Just like sitting around talking crypto.
Yeah.
I joined.
Wait, didn't you do engineering though?
Like you did a serious, like there was no tweet in engineering.
It was Christmas white shirts and thick black glasses.
More specifically, short sleeve, Chris Boyd shirts.
That would be it with or without tie.
Usually with tie, short sleeve, pressed.
Yep.
Straight out of the costume, the department for the right stuff, you know, it's exactly
that is exactly what it is.
That's exactly what it is.
It's not like the, the, the control room and the right stuff, right?
When they're all standing around.
Yeah.
That's a Christmas movie recommend for it for everybody.
I love that movie.
It's, it's, it's, it's a nine out of 10.
Easily.
Yeah.
Easily.
There's one or two, I think it's about 10, 20 minutes too long.
They probably got a cut.
Then they go with a slightly tighter cut and there's like one or two points where the music
has not dated well and it doesn't quite fit.
I don't know if it fits the action perfectly.
There's my only two ads.
Fair enough.
That is pretty much a perfect film.
Crazy.
I mean, great star cast.
Just I don't know.
It is, it's probably an hour too long.
Actually, isn't that like three and a half or something?
No, two and a half, two and a half.
No.
Oh, I thought it was longer than that because it's really two movies, right?
I mean, you really have, you really have Andrews, answers, Edwards.
You really have Edwards, that whole structure, and then you have everything after that.
But no, has not seen this film based on his expression and indifference.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm like trying to say it like Gucci feeder.
Yeah, I have no idea.
And it has the greatest actor it's ever lived, which is guesses.
You about to say.
Oh, I think you're going to say it.
You about to say it.
Harris.
I am going to say it.
Harris.
You for you.
Oh, okay.
So, so I am going to say it.
Harris fan, huh?
Yeah, huge.
Great fucking actor.
I mean, he's been some good stuff.
He's been some good stuff.
He's a different person than everyone of those good stuff.
He's in Glen Garry, Glen Ross.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But his masterpiece, the Abyss, of course, the Abyss.
Well, the, I mean, direct his cut or original, right?
That is like, that's like, I don't want to be a fan.
I do like that movie.
And even though I don't want to get beat up on it because of like master commander and
all this type of shit, but his, but his, that scene with him, bring it.
What's her face back to life?
What's her name?
I forget what her name is, but pound on her chest and like when, when she's drowning and
they like bring, when they bring her back and he's fighting for her, I think that was,
that's like an amazing scene.
If you remember that movie.
Yeah.
I think it's an underrated film.
And I, I can't remember whether it's the original.
It's just got silly.
That's all.
Well, I can't remember if it's the original or the director's cut where it has the, the
really dark ending.
I like that one.
I think that is the director because it's totally different, right?
Like basically, yeah.
One of them is like, no, no, no, no, it's all worked out.
And the other one is like, things did not pan out well when conflict was, was, when
conflict was found between the parties in this movie.
Yeah.
But the dark ending is, is good.
I know I need to go back and watch that.
I think I've seen it, but I don't have it.
But anyway, great actor.
Also, what was it?
The first season of, I guess of, what was that HBO thing with the, with the robot people
and all that shit?
Damn.
Wait, what?
There's HBO series with, with him acting in a, oh my goodness.
Why do I open my mouth before I know the answer for it?
I've not seen it.
I think kind of the one you mean.
What?
Westworld.
Ed Harris.
Oh, Westworld is a pretty good.
Westworld.
Pretty good.
I wish, man.
That's the one.
Man, I never really finished that.
It went to shit.
Yeah.
I only see the one with watching my...
Sorry, spoiler.
Yeah.
The first season was like the best.
And then versus it was great.
Yeah.
Anyway, moving on.
Since we've stumbled onto James Cameron, Alien or Aliens?
I mean, they're...
Okay.
Which one's better?
You can only pick one.
Only what two movies enter, only one leaves?
Honestly, I'm willing to go to Alien.
Alien's good.
Absolutely.
I think that objectively it's better.
I think that Alien more does it for me.
Just because the historical context of it, I think, makes it especially special.
Alien's too, just is about a movie.
Alien itself has a bigger cultural impact.
I knew you were going to say Alien.
That's what...
I mean...
It is objectively the better, academically the better.
That is the right answer.
And yet, I'll say Bill Paxton was only an alien, so therefore it's aliens.
I think...
And of course, I would use...
Game over, man.
Like, Alien is the best movie.
By far.
Alien is the best movie.
It is a masterpiece.
There are so many things about it.
The brilliant, the pacing.
100%.
The tears, the cultural impact.
The stress.
The design, the music.
Everything.
The dress, the acting.
The guy that acted as the alien.
They just like, you know, sort of wore a jumpsuit and all of those gestures are like him.
The idea that it's not CG, it's something like that.
It is a guy who is an actor and I think possibly a dancer of some kind and is just projecting
physical malice.
Oh my God.
However...
Shilty's right.
Let's all agree.
Shilty's right.
Yet...
Thank you.
I need that.
Yet, I will watch aliens...
You said you could be allowed there to die, Burke.
What's wrong with you?
Why didn't you warn them?
Why didn't you warn them, Burke?
So if I'm completely honest, I don't think I've seen Alien.
Have you seen Aliens?
I've seen Aliens and I would pick it just because Sigourney Weaver is like a good actor.
And both of them?
Oh, she's a zoomer.
She's also a both of them.
Is she?
She's an alien.
She's an all of them, actually, isn't she?
Is one like a sequel to the other one?
Oh my God.
That's amazing.
Aliens is the sequel, yeah.
Yeah.
One's a plural and one's a single.
Is it the third one?
Second.
So, that's the one where it starts off on the fucking planet with the people in jail,
right?
No, that's like Alien 3, I think.
That's Alien 3.
What a legend.
So, my top facts about Alien 3 is it was, what's his name?
That really good guy.
It was his fincher.
It was David Fincher's first movie, right?
And it had been a really troubled production and they gave it to Fincher and they were
like, don't fuck it up, right?
And it was apparently a bit of a car crash, but there are still to this day, NDAs and
things in place.
And there's like an interview more recently where somebody asked David Fincher about it,
like based on like, here's all of the films you've done, right?
You know, what do you, do you have any regrets?
He was just like Alien 3.
Really?
It's been made.
Yeah.
It wasn't quite like that, but he was more or less like, can't say anything more about
it.
I had to do it at that point in my career.
It did open some doors, but I think as a film, it was just flawed.
Like it was something like that.
And he was, and there's all the stuff about, like, you know, there's like, there's like
two different versions as well that were storyboarded that didn't get made.
I think possibly three, actually.
One of them is a graphic novel, which is the William Gibson one.
Do you know William Gibson?
No.
What the fuck?
You work in one crypto and you don't know who William Gibson is?
Maybe.
Neuromancer?
Hmm.
Okay.
That sounds really, he has a comic or a graphic novel.
So what I'm sure there is one of Neuromancer, but so William Gibson was asked to write the
script for Alien 3, which it got, you know, and put on a shelf somewhere.
Whoever made that film, Warners.
And then many, many years later, they made a graphic novel out of the script that was
I guess the option had expired or whatever.
And so they were able to do something with it.
I don't know that.
Yeah.
It's completely different from the film.
Yeah, it's good.
I don't know that it actually solves a lot of the fundamental problems with Alien 3,
which is that I don't really think Alien 3 needed to exist.
But, but yeah.
I don't think you know that.
I do.
Well, go ahead.
I actually like Prometheus and the other one.
I know that they're not the greatest movies of all time, but I actually really enjoyed
them and I'm sad that they haven't continued the story even further.
I was about to say that.
I thought, I thought someone's later ones had pretty decent reviews, right?
Post, post three, like Prometheus or whatever.
I think they're pretty well panned.
Oh, they are.
Yeah.
I thought someone was right.
Prometheus, that's pretty big problems as well.
I mean, is it just like because you're following up with Alien Aliens and so what the hell is
that?
Are you just, is it just because you're following up on those two movies and then so everything
just looks like shit or are they actually bad movies?
I think Coveman is a squadron maybe.
Yeah.
Well, Prometheus did have a lot of like logic issues.
I think the one that really got them was when the Prometheus is rolling and people are like
running in line with it.
And I think that just stuck in everyone's head of like, if that happened in the movie,
obviously no logic in the movie can be correct.
It was like you knew, I was going to say, that fucking bit and the bit where they're
like, we're like a million miles from Earth and you're like, oh, so you're like just before
Mars.
There's like a bunch of movies that are like that, they're like, we can't send a message
because the distance involved is over four million miles or something.
You're like, if you guys haven't finished, figured that out by now, then the entire of
the alien universe does not make any sense.
Oh, alien resurrection.
That's the other one, right?
Is that one in that situation?
That's Alien 4, isn't it?
In the original sequence.
Oh, is it?
It is that one is fucking shit.
Is it?
I don't even think that really is counted, is it?
Like people just say alien one, alien two, alien three, and then they put a bit of a
face of a face at alien three and then.
That's it.
Is that the last one that Sigourney's in?
Or is there, or she even, she's not in those other ones, right?
Prometheus?
No, she's not.
Yeah.
Or she dies in one of them, right?
Oh, she dies in one of them.
Dies in three.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
There's a lot of ships next to him, so fuck it.
So, which shit?
Let's spoil everything.
Burn it all down.
Well, I was going to say, the one good thing, actually, the Null's comment is appropriate,
because I think the one good thing that the alien resurrection brought us was the bit
where she finds the lab and there's the hugely mutated Ripley, and it just goes, kill me.
It's a classic moment.
Like the guy in the play-sense.
The one thing that bugs me is that in Metroid, they named Ripley after alien, of course,
right?
It always bugs me because I always cross them, or it might be Ridley in order to just kind
of play on it a little bit.
I don't know if that's related, but I've been playing the Metroid game lately, and it's
in my mind.
Ripley?
Yeah.
Now I'm all, I'm already looking at reserving spots in this fucking diehard.
Saturday 23rd, 5 p.m. in a small theater that has alcohol.
How do you not bring the family?
Bring the family.
That's awesome.
Come on down.
Man, I want to go and see Diehard now.
An alien.
You certainly need to see alien.
We've established that much.
How much are these anyway?
I was trying to find, so Slapchop, Slapchop.
Slapchop.
I watched Slapchop this week.
You watched Slapchop?
It's not on Netflix, and it's not on Prime.
Ah, you need more legal sources of...
Well, I mean, I hate, I don't want to encourage.
I watched it same day.
Same day.
Did you?
Yeah.
Good thing we recorded at 6 a.m. over there.
Did you enjoy it?
I mean, it was a pretty standard fucking 80s movie, like 70s movie movie.
But did you enjoy it?
That's quite a review.
To be honest, I don't see why you were so excited about it.
It's a great movie.
My expectation is it can be pretty much Caddy Shack, but without...
God, what's the fucking name of the actor?
It's fled my mind.
Who?
With Bill Murray.
Bill Murray, there we go.
I'm kind of expecting more violent Caddy Shack.
No Bill Murray and about hockey, not golf.
It's not really...
I mean, it's comedy because it's...
It's not a comedy.
It's not a comedy like in that way.
It's not like a Caddy Shack comedy where...
It's somewhat somewhere, I guess, but not quite.
It's subtly funny in certain ways.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know, just some of those things get burned into your face.
Maybe it hits better if you're American and understand more of the context of some of the jokes, maybe.
Yeah, but the...
That clip I said earlier with them on the...
The hair pieces and that thing and the guy playing the organ and then obviously the handsome brothers are fucking hilarious.
That's just a great storyline with those three and listen to the fucking song.
There's just good moments in that movie.
I didn't say it was...
That's great, by the way.
I didn't say it was fucking Schindler's List.
I just said it was a good movie.
You know what I mean?
It's no porkies.
I just watched that a couple of weeks ago, actually.
It showed up.
Isn't porkies like one of those ones like Revenge of the Nerds that has really, really not dated well?
It's just tits.
It is just tits.
Porkies, and Porkies too, is even worse that way too.
They're all bad.
Excellent.
There is no storyline whatsoever.
They just do whatever they can to have an excuse to show some tits.
Yeah, exactly.
The other one I watched this week was Spring Break.
Have you guys seen that movie?
That is a shit movie.
It's a great movie.
You should watch it.
Spring Break is the amazing movie.
I do have an habit of searching for videos with a rating of 12 or 13, somewhere between 10 and fucking 25.
I'm guessing that's out of 100.
Yeah.
It's like, what's the scale?
Spring Break is a great movie.
It's either so bad, it's great, or like, and then there's all the mediocre ones that are just mediocre, and then you've got your 90 plus ones that are usually pretty good.
I think some of these are also, you see them at very, which I'm thinking about with our kids too, is you see them at very impressionable times.
You know what I mean?
Like, you're old enough where you're starting to explore these feelings, whether it's girls or whether it's this, that, or whatever.
And then you see these movies that have these people going through that same shit, like Porky's is a good example.
And you just remember that, right?
So, like, Slapshot, I remember seeing hundreds of times in those early days.
It was always on TV too, I remember.
It was one of those things that always got repeated.
And like Spring Break, Spring Break, I remember seeing like in high school with friends and like, it's just one of those awful movies that you just love.
And you just quote to each other over and over.
I think I was kind of lucky in that like the movies that had kind of were about five years old or like five to 10 years old that were like just on TV constantly because they're cheap to license by that point was just like Wayne's World and Bill and Ted.
Yeah, yeah, Bill and Ted.
See, Bill and Ted's a movie too.
Yeah, I remember like taping this is this is showing my fucking age.
I remember taping that shit.
Sure.
Yeah, we're all like, sure, we're of an age where we remember like the VHS machine and being like trying to get your dad to help you to fucking get the thing working and then set the timer and all that crap.
Right.
Or you set the timer and they would like somebody to fuck it up and they pop the tape out or like something else would happen or like, yeah.
But somebody just like goes to watch something else and they don't pay attention and it wipes the timer and they're like, oh, was somebody recording something and you're like fucking probably.
But yeah, yeah, fucking.
Ah, Wayne's World.
What a film.
That was I mean, my kids love that movie too.
Because I mean, that's a great movie too.
But I hate to say it worked great.
That's not really.
That is a movie that I enjoy every once in a while.
Not a great movie though.
One of my favorite things is so I think Wayne's World 2 is a bit underrated.
I actually think it's quite good.
But that's the one where it has that has the great bit where it has the drug dealer from with now and I has just did it as a cameo.
Yeah, that's fucking great.
I love that.
Because because I feel like wasn't that guy in with their life because he was their drug dealer.
Oh, I don't know.
Is that right citation citation needed on that one.
That might be a game of notes.
It's like poorly remembered lie.
Cause less says beta max was far better VHS.
My dad was a huge beta max person.
So we went through that structure to wherever we.
It's quality over quantity.
And then next thing you know, we're by the age of like 10 years later and throw all this shit out.
But yeah, yeah, we were beta.
We were beta host.
I said people in cause more survive beta max.
It's funny.
Also Bill and Ted's being originally from that region being set in Chicago.
Like that, that also was really close to us too.
Cause all those places they drove we knew right.
And like that whole idea where that was set we had some history with.
So that actually made it really close to.
So yeah, a little bit of topic.
What's up?
You get to write news or crypto.
No, I don't know.
We get like, I'm going to be doing my first, uh, Kolo stuff next week.
And, uh, you know, first, first time answering the, uh, sexual.
Yeah.
First call those.
I'm entering the, um, the data center.
Uh, have you been in a data center like that before?
I have, but just as a tour, I went to the M2 in Melbourne,
which is like a very, I sent you photos.
I'm pretty sure while I was there.
It's a pretty impressive, uh, location.
Yeah.
It's got like the, the like chill area in M2 is like bigger than my house.
Oh, like that.
Like a, like a front office type of thing or the conference rooms and shit type of idea.
So they've, so M2 and Melbourne is like enormous.
And, um, they have a, so they got the entrance foyer.
And it's all like security arise, you have to have your little card and your face to get anywhere in there and your thumb or whatever.
Um, off to the left, you have like offices that you can book and that type of stuff where you can just go and like work for the day if you want and that type of shit.
Sure.
But off to the right, they've got like, you know, coffee machine, a part spending machine with like NVM's and shit in there.
Really?
That's awesome.
Yeah.
But then just like this big, big, like, you know, desks and it's like really dimly lit and like got the Nespresso fucking wall of coffee machine type situation going on.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, like even the, and I'm not sure what they call it, like the, the cabinet floor or whatever the, uh, the cage floor, whatever they call that area with all the servers is like pretty impressive.
Server room?
Sure.
Yeah.
Whatever it is.
Um, and even like the, the power supplies and stuff there is all modular.
Like they've got modular generators.
So this place isn't completely built out yet.
They've got like a certain amount of capacity now.
And then as they add capacity, they just add generators and batteries into the, they just crane them in and drop them on the roof.
Yeah.
And then that's like how they just keep plugging more shit in.
Yeah.
Like you run one or you run multiple, then you have as many spares and like it just keeps growing that way.
Right.
Yeah.
So like as you increase the megawatt capacity of the, like as you get more customers, they just keep adding more shit so that, um, I guess you don't have all the overhead at the start of the build, like all the apex, but, um, and then they've got like shit loads more property to like build more stuff as well.
So it's, it's going to be like a big data center, but, uh, we're putting our stuff into M one, which is down near the city in Melbourne.
Is that the original one?
Is that like smaller or something?
Yeah, it's like smaller.
It's near the CBD.
It's from when, before they were cool.
Before they were cool.
Yeah.
I got shares in next DC man.
I reckon they're going to be like, well, they probably already are now the biggest provider in Australia and data centers.
Um, king of the dipshits.
Yeah.
The biggest data center in the US.
That's center.
Look at it.
Look at it on his Island.
2000 miles from anywhere.
It's the biggest data center in more size.
The spaceport.
To me, it's massive with anywhere you can get it.
2000, 200 millisecond latency, everywhere in the world, only here.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
So anyway.
Um, so who I'm buying my co-level is not like the data center.
It's like, I'm going into a rack of an existing customer like one of their partners.
Yeah, they're sub-lecent.
Yeah.
And, um, so they're not really in Melbourne though.
They're in Sydney or Canberra or something.
And, um, so because I'm going to the server room to, well, I was going to rack my server, but it's not going to be ready.
So someone else is going to rack that a bit later on.
But, uh, he's sending me like the router and I bought a router and that off him because we didn't have one.
So, um, so anyway, he's configured that and everything and, and sending that through.
But while I'm there, like he wants me to install some SFPs and stuff into there.
Yeah.
And, um, yeah, man, the guy's just like super organized.
He's like, sent me this picture of the, the, um, switch with like all these diagrams and stuff on it and where to put which SFPs.
Oh, like where you're plugging into and everything.
Yeah.
Like some copper ones and some fiber ones and you select labeled cable for me to plug into my router with like, support labeled on both of them.
Like, so, I mean, they meter all that shit.
So, I mean, you're probably metering and some, or at least they want to meter it in some sort of, even if you're not even are doing.
You're metering, right?
So they're going to watch that and everything else.
Yeah.
He's definitely made it 100%.
So I can't fuck this up yet.
Yeah.
Well, I'm pretty sure I'm going to fuck up anyway because my cable is having a confident statement.
Wait, so I cannot anyway.
Fuck up.
But that's it.
So are you, are you, where's the fiber going?
Is that going in your switch?
So I think, or do you buy a card, SPF card?
SPF card for the, for the, for this monster.
It's a copper SFP for my switch.
We're only plugging into like a one gig port.
So.
Oh, okay.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
Cool.
But cause my, my switch is only like a one gig switch at this stage.
I didn't want to like spend five grand on a 10 gig switch or anything.
Those things are cheap.
10 gig switches are cheap, man.
Well, 10 gig switches, but the router, like a decent router with 10 gig in it is like a little bit more expensive.
Nice.
So you rack when you, we get all the shit in.
So I'm going to rack all the shit on Monday and get everything set up.
And then I guess the following week, we'll get delivery of our server.
And hopefully someone at the data center is going to be able to rack that without me having to come back to Melbourne.
But yeah, I'm going to use remote hands for that.
And well, if you get, I mean, if you say,
you're putting up like a little, some sort of thing you can VPN or wire grid into or something.
So as long as that's active and then they plug in IPMI right and everything else, hopefully you can, I mean the issue is like IPMI getting an actual DHCP address and you being able to manage that and all that kind of stuff remotely.
Like that's the only thing that's a little crazy, but everything else.
So everything's already set up in the router.
Basically like we've got a slash 29.
So any one of those ports that you plug into, they're all designated to an IPM.
At this stage.
So, you know, if you plug in another server, you just plug it into one of those ports and it'll DHCP its own, it routes to its own port.
It's giving you a IP.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
Okay.
Cool.
Well, it was just the, it was the easiest way to set it up now.
That's heard that even if I'll make plugs into the wrong hole.
So the plan is to have the cables there labeled and it'll be like, you know, ETH zero.
Sure.
IPMI and then your redundant power.
And except they don't have redundant power for the switch.
I kind of, it would have been nice if the, if the provider switch had POE on it because the switch I've got takes POE in.
Yeah, they won't do that.
No, it's a Juniper switch is like bullish.
That's usually data center switches.
Let's just supporting, let's just supporting APs or something.
You're not going to have POE in those situations.
But yeah, because I don't get the, I don't get the power redundancy out of my router.
Because it's only got one powering.
Yeah.
But again, that's a pretty small, but like we talked about before, keep the important shit off that router.
And so it's just management.
So if that goes down, you're not like missing sign blocks, you're not doing whatever else.
Right.
So yeah, I mean, this, this server is not doing any mission, mission critical stuff.
Right.
You can always catch up, right?
Like even if it's down, you can always, it's just going to, whenever it comes back, it'll just sync up and you're fine.
So yeah.
Yeah.
It's archives.
It is just too expensive to rent storage once you start getting over like 10, 15 terabytes.
Yes.
So especially fast storage.
So you really have to start buying that stuff and I'm really not looking forward to when those things start to crap out after a year or two.
They will.
But like these ones are going to ride endurance of 1.3 for five years.
So.
Doesn't matter.
Yeah.
Hopefully they'll, they'll fail.
Yeah.
They'll fail.
It's all just statistics, isn't it?
Yeah.
We've had so many NBMEs fail like, like we've had such SSDs been far more reliable, but, but we've had so much fucking NBMEs.
But whatever.
So they, like these ones are going to five year warranty, I think.
So if they crap out, it's just a swap job, but it's still annoying on the day it happens though.
As long as there's redundancy as long as, yeah.
Yeah.
There's like a spare drive.
So it'll be able to reseal the, if it's, if one drops out, it's good.
Yeah.
I wasn't able to get a two year chassis though, which is kind of annoying.
There's just not enough.
There's no two year chassis available at the moment.
In the configuration that I wanted.
It's just the 24 drive.
Oh, the driver.
Yeah.
Like a chassis with, with 24 U dot twos just wasn't really available at the moment.
So this is, I'm guessing this is probably eight 12.
Oh, in one year.
In one year.
Oh, that's good.
Yeah.
You're fine.
Yeah.
So this is, so I looked up this, this chassis, it's pretty cost effective.
Shazzy, it's like, but it's really high quality.
Um, and you identified the motherboard in it there before you serve.
And I think that's pretty high quality motherboard.
I think those guys are doing good things.
Yeah.
Tyanna.
I looked up a bit more information on them and some reviews and, uh, yeah.
Apparently it's like really high quality shit.
So I mean, for this one, you just want stability.
That's all you care about, right?
So you're not like burning the edge here.
Not worried about like whatever.
Stability.
And like performance from those drives because we're paying a lot of money for those drives.
So I want to be able to like get the best out of them because they're not like,
they're going to be doing, you know, I'm going to be using quite a few IOPS on those things
at the end of the day.
Cause there's multiple, um, you know, operations.
I love the understatement.
It's going to be there to few IOPS.
Some IOPS.
It'll be there in some months.
One or two.
Yeah, but, uh, I don't know.
I guess we'll see.
It's the first, first, um, go at the owned bare metal.
I don't know if I will still fit like Jacob's, uh, box though, because it's in a data center.
So, you know, Jacob's box.
No, it has to be like cell phone running under your desk in the office.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, well, you know, quality node operators, data centers are so centralized man.
Yeah.
It's bullshit.
I mean, their business practices have led them to success after success.
Obvious success.
Hey.
Oh God.
Um, so what did, what, what's on, on, on, on that, I know we were kind of talking about
last week and the, the, the whole devs thing and whatnot that has anything more developed
out of that mess.
Is anybody doing.
I'm not sure.
I like, I haven't seen even Jacob on Twitter anymore.
So I don't know.
Did he close out account in the reopened or something though?
I think you, I don't even ask that question.
All I saw was that it went up from 13 engineers at the time of last show to 16 engineers.
So there was three more, three more added their names, I think to the, we've resigned
pile.
Yeah.
I think there was like virtually nothing left either.
So I don't know.
I bet that guy lit was probably still there.
Governance guy.
Decommissioning all validators.
So it was, it's something.
So did they just, so I did the, I, cause I would be talking about this in the chat.
They, they've left a grace period, right?
I, I don't think so.
A lot of values are just shut down.
Like you can look on injective and handful of others and they just close them down.
Motherfucker.
Sorry, I just got an email.
They're shipping a fucking cable this big from Western Australia, like the other side
of the country.
And I need it on Friday.
That cable doesn't exist in, in the whole city.
I can literally go down and buy it at fucking probably like, you got to go in there anyway
Monday, right?
Just bring it.
It's probably in the vending machine at the fucking data center.
Like, well, now that you own hardware in these data centers, you get to realize you get to
get, carry these things on your person at all times.
So go get one of those cables, go get somewhere.
Bullshit Chinese SSD drives or whatever you got and then go get, buy some fans and a bigger
screwdrivers.
Take a laptop.
You're going to need it.
You're going to need some sort of structure to get in your little micro tech or whatever.
Like you got to get a go back.
Yeah.
You're going to need one of those wifi dongles, right?
No.
What, what, what if I do a phone with you, a phone with you or sim would do it.
No.
For what?
To plug into the LAN from a laptop.
Does your laptop have LAN?
Oh, you mean, okay.
You said wifi dongle, which is not what that is, but you mean like an ethernet dongle.
Yes.
Oh, sorry.
You don't say one for a minute.
You did.
Yeah.
Like a little ethernet dongle.
Yeah.
Something like that.
You're going to need to, yeah.
Sure.
You're going to need a little bag of shit for the, for the DC.
Some of your plugs.
The spare fans, you know, spare fans.
Yeah.
Screwdrivers.
Like a little, a little toolkit.
Yeah.
I have on you because you get in there and you realize you can't open a fucking case because
you got to replace the driver.
Oh my God.
I can't believe I can't open this case.
All these good times.
What your cases have screws.
Yeah.
You will.
I mean, you got to, if you, if you have a drive in a sled, you got to pull out and replace
that drive.
Yeah.
It's going to have small screws, small Phillips head screws in it.
Yeah.
Of course.
Oh yeah.
And in this, well, I think more of my, I think these ones are tool lists, but definitely
you might Dell.
There is.
Yeah.
The screws holding those in in the sleds.
Yeah.
Okay.
Jailings.
How about that?
Yeah.
Shilty, tell us about the fetch AI one.
Was it you were talking about that?
I don't know.
Not on touch.
I just took a bit of that.
I think at the time, because cycling events so far, which was a 75,000 or cycle event,
this is a two stone.
Oh, it was $2,000.
Yeah.
So.
Switch back.
Let's fucking go.
I was just looking for it.
Switch back to the mic.
I really haven't been miserable than that.
Yeah.
Whatever mic you were just using was all choppy.
So headphones.
It is.
You need to buy a cable to.
I actually ordered the cable as we were here.
That's right.
This one sound all right.
At least.
Yeah.
It's good enough.
Sure.
Perfect.
Maybe just turn it up a little.
You can get awarded between the memes.
Yeah.
So that was on fetch.
Can you just turn it up a little bit?
She'll see.
Turn it up.
I got you.
Keep going.
Thank you.
Perfect.
Yeah.
So fetch.
And as far as I know, he hasn't put out any statement.
The validator hasn't put out any statement about like doing refunds or anything.
It's just like it happened.
And then, you know, that meme of Homer kind of entering the bush.
That's what it seems like it went.
That's like, is it, is he like a single network validator type situation?
I don't recognize the name, but fetch has a lot of validators that I don't recognize.
So.
Yeah.
I think that's like the move for the, like the single network validators who don't
really have too much of a brand, which is kind of done if they, they tombstone anywhere.
And then it's like, see a bro.
And then there's like another validator just appears.
There's no website or anything.
So I'm guessing that's what happened.
Yeah.
So was there, so there's no, no response to that or anything else right?
There wasn't like a, oh shit, we moved the server and something happened.
Not that I've seen no response that I've seen.
And what was the dollar amount?
$75,000.
Wow.
Pretty significant.
Especially in this market.
That's like, seriously.
Given, isn't that like half of the TVL in the holocaust most?
What is that?
What's the fetch?
Seriously.
What's the fetch?
Um, is that 1% or 10% or what was the, uh, let's see.
It was a slash there.
Pretty significant again.
Was this, was this like a top 20 value or something?
I think it was.
Yeah.
Well, poor went out for the homies.
That's right.
Um, what was that?
Oh, we don't know what that name was.
Oh yeah.
Oh, I can put the name.
Hold on.
Oh, so I just read, so I just re delegated 13, 13 fetch to them 10 hours ago.
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
Nice.
You know, they obviously, and, uh, what's the fucking thing I'm thinking of?
It's this, the Soviet, the Soviet military doctrine, isn't it?
Never reinforced defeat.
That person doesn't, doesn't agree with that.
They're like, I fancy much answers.
They have, uh, let's see, they have, uh, about $6,000 stake themselves.
Not too much.
I do see the send command and then I see an unjail failed and then realization hits.
And then 10 minutes after that, they sent out some, some, uh, some tokens away from the
val. So yeah, I'm thinking they're probably delegating all this stuff.
And then there's a bunch of edit validators immediately.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
To their credit, at least they put like, please re delegate and everything else on the, on
the name, like, you know, something associated.
So when somebody does a restake, you would hope that they would see that, but well,
you know, it looks like they did do a multi send, but it, it's very clearly not for the
amount that was slashed.
Looks like they sent 10.
Yeah.
Not a whole lot.
I see 10.
Yeah.
I see 10 to one delegator.
It looks like.
No, no, there's more than that.
Oh, there's a st, there's a stake drop.
Oh Christ.
So that means this guy was running promotions to get more delegators and then he was a meat.
He immediately got tombstone.
This happened before the actual tombstone.
Oh dang.
Oh wait.
Oh, I'm looking, oh, you're right.
I'm looking at it on jail.
It's not the, they ran it multiple times.
It looks like too funny.
Oh well.
So there was another tombstone on dydx second tombstone.
One of the higher ranked validators at the time as well.
So.
Yeah.
I was looking for it again.
Good.
Actually, we need to petition.
We haven't done it.
I mean, we put a shortcut to that.
We can do it all day because we haven't done this.
We haven't done that video in like a while.
So I'm happy to splice those in who was on who was it on the dydx.
Tane.
Yeah.
Tane.
Yeah.
Well, it is.
They're Japanese, I think so.
So you have these Tane.
Yeah.
Tell us about Tane.
Yeah, but you know, just a mistake, I guess.
Well, they're migrating servers.
I think that the dydx devs might have done operators and injustice during the test net by having
tombstone turned off during the test net phase.
So I think people may think they can do things that they can't do.
So.
So they could, you can disable the double sign.
I understand that you can't, I mean, I understand that you can, you know, they didn't get slash
training here, right?
Just tombstone.
They actually disabled the ability to double sign so they had nothing associated to that.
Yeah, you can double.
Yeah, it was well.
Yeah.
I know pop up in the logs that the Byzantine attempt has been made, whatever.
Yeah.
But you don't get jailed.
You don't get slash forward or anything.
Really?
I had no idea.
That's interesting.
So it just ignores it completely.
Like you just sit there and whatever, right?
Multiple nodes all signing same time.
Blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, I did it.
I remember you saying you did it.
Yeah.
I did it by accident, but I did it.
I called the dev and I'm like, uh, double sign doesn't work on this network.
Like I, I was testing.
I was testing some shit and I was testing your double sign.
Moving servers around with a callous disregard for security.
Boy, you'll be boys, right?
Boy, you'll be boys.
Oh my goodness.
But, uh, but yeah, and then they're like, yeah, no, it's a, let's turn that off.
I'm like, huh, who's shit?
Put in some PRs around the fucking customers.
Um, so I guess other notable slashings, not, not necessarily not, um, tomb stoning, but
uh, slashings on injective couple of larger slashings in the last week or two.
But, uh, just yesterday, Binance, uh, got a Peggy slashing, which was roughly equivalent
to around a hundred grand, uh, about 4,200 injective slashed, which is, that's a fucking
kick in the nuts.
What do you think they do with that?
Cause that, I don't think they do anything.
I think they go, I'm going to spool it back up and call it good.
Like, yeah, like it's custodial, right?
So it's not a problem until everyone withdraws their INJ.
But, but they're still responsible for an APR, right?
So they just pull it out of the APR because the number is lower.
Well, the APR is already less because they take it out of the profit, right?
So they just stake less.
I mean, they take less profit.
Yeah, I think they hedge their own risk against you not making as much money as the stakes.
Right.
Like, like, crack, and I think offers you like 5% on, I can't remember.
Like, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's a substantial margin between what the network
offers and what they offer you.
Right.
That's pretty appalling.
That's great.
That's crazy.
That's great.
So they make sense.
No, they're regulating, man.
Already, whoa.
Some, some of them regulated have to do is like taking some of this, you know, more
right.
I mean, they pull profit.
So, so basically that's all synthetic, right?
They're just doing synthetic distributions back to those quote unquote, those stakeholders,
right?
Yeah, they pull that out.
So they get slash 10% that they basically pull that out of their margin.
I wonder if they pass that along.
I wonder if they do something within that.
No, they wouldn't.
You think it would just lower the amount.
Why wouldn't they just lower the amount?
They're in control of what amount goes back to the staker, right?
So, yeah, but I'm sure like on their website, that would have something like stake INJ for
5% fucking woohoo.
I mean, 4.9%.
Yeah, but then like, you know, over time, they can just absorb that anyway.
It doesn't matter.
So, yeah, that's interesting.
They're already taking half of the profits.
I mean, 100,000 for them is nothing.
So it's not a big deal.
But yeah, well, someone was at Ushilse pointed out to me that they just like walked off at
fucking four billion.
So, why?
Well, they find a full billion.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
For the SEC and they're just like, we're good.
Yeah, that's it.
We're financially stable.
Only four.
Did you say four?
Wait, was that a B or T?
Oh, B. Good.
Okay.
Yeah.
All good.
No problem.
Probably going to have to sell some shit.
I should do something here.
All right.
It's all good.
That's okay.
Let me go get my purse.
A 20 is okay.
You bring it back with you?
Yeah.
Is there a truck out back?
Or like, how are we going to do this?
There was another one too, wasn't there?
Or do we do them all?
Yeah.
What the fuck?
Was there another tube stone this week?
Ben Davis says wait.
No, was Null slashed recently.
Did I just have a head break?
Yeah, I was.
Did it just rain on Null?
Thank you.
Yeah, I got slashed for that.
Yes.
It's stormy.
What the fuck?
Some advanced podcast shit going on here.
For those listening later on podcast players, I have literally no idea what's going on there.
What's really good is that when somebody's tube stones, you can also do like, there we go.
Let's celebrate, baby.
Who tunes them today?
It'd be more of a celebration, right?
Oh wait, that was the wrong one.
I meant this one.
Yeah, there you go.
There you go.
So anyway, on my slash on Koogee, if anybody knows of like a Koogee archive so I can do a slash refund, that'd be great.
We had the unbind Koogee to like have it there to give back to people, but in hindsight, I should have bought some because I didn't realize that the data would be unavailable to be able to do the refund.
So, Schiltzi has supplied a very beautiful script that I've in hindsight could have run back then to get the Schiltzi like to do the transaction, right?
Yeah, you can build them all out and then broadcast them later for sure.
So I do think though that when you do an offline transaction, there's like a time in there, but I guess you could just change that manually before you sign it or whatever.
Well, it couldn't change it manually because it would be already a signature too, so you couldn't really change it.
But what the script does actually is creates a JSON file which is before you sign, just like as an upload, but you could create those JSON files and then sign them and then send them.
So that would have worked fine.
Yeah, well, I should have done that.
Where's the heads up, man?
Sorry, I thought that that would have just like done it all and sent it, but I guess that's probably good that it doesn't in case you fuck it up.
So give you a chance to check it.
Yeah, it's so that you can do dry runs where you just kind of go all the way to this, like except the last step where it actually sends it out.
That was a good Tombstone run.
I enjoy a good slash.
I gotta say, you know, here's what I'll say about the one you actually flash just somebody else that tells you the Peggy slashes on injective.
You'll get daily alerts.
I always say really that many.
Yeah, well, I added it up yesterday.
So far this month has been 170 grand in Peggy slashings on injective and like this.
A lot of them are like, you know, good operators to I mean to be honest, and that Pego thing is useless.
That Pego thing is useless, right?
Like it's a completely distributed system that doesn't require that much structure around it where that much loss has to happen.
Like is that actually is that number one?
Is that slashing in the control of the operator at a level?
And number two, is it worthwhile losing that much funds based on the outcome?
Is it in control?
Yes, but like the software takes a lot of babysitting.
I've heard, I don't run it so I can say this.
It's a piece of shit.
And so when it's a piece of shit that a lot of times it's not just based on operator competence.
It's a series of black magic bullshit to get actually to do it what you want and the config changes and it's not communicated well.
And so you have to be on top of it, but it's not being on top of it because it's well communicates on top of it because it's like it always breaks.
And it's just you got to know what the hell you're doing with it.
You have to describe most of crypto mind you like just random things configured with random things and oh yeah.
But this is on the edge of timing or blockchain.
Like it's just like anyway, go ahead.
Yeah, I don't know.
Like two years ago, like the amount of random changes you had to make in the Tom all files and whatnot where it was like, oh yeah.
And you've got to remember that if you put blah, blah, blah in blah, blah, blah section, it will of course blow up and you will double sign.
But you know, if you put a white space or empty string, it will just truck on fucking no worries boys, be boys like.
Hold on, let me interject just a little bit.
Don't forget about capitalizing upgrade names for Cosmovisor, which breaks the upgrade.
That one just happened again or space.
Yeah.
This is the version space space space space space.
Yeah.
Hey, what were we talking about before you guys just went off on a fucking tangent.
I was I was bitching about.
So yeah, Pego is not hard to run itself.
It is just it fails under a lot like a lot of different circumstances.
But the blank it fails like say price feeder.
It's a good example to like price feeders, the Umi price feeder and that structure is also similar to that.
I think it was more reliable.
Oh, that's that's that's that's that's something.
So Pego like if you, for example, if it loses contact with your g RPC for a split second, it seems to like hang.
Yeah.
And just random stuff like that.
It doesn't like give you logs that make a lot of sense in some cases, like if you run out of gas token, it doesn't really tell you anything like that.
Right. What it tells you is that there are no transactions to be found on Ethereum if you run out of gas, which is helpful.
That's helpful.
Ethereum is just dead.
We use that shit.
I'm sure you get confused with that.
Yeah.
So it's, you know, it's when you when people get errors, they're like, what is this?
And you're like, have you checked this?
Have you checked that?
Because the errors make no fucking sense in a lot of cases.
Right. Right.
Yeah. But I mean, the main things are for Pego is that your g RPC is working.
And if it is restart your thing, and if it's it might start working again, if it doesn't check if you've got gas, if that's the case, and it's still not working.
And it was before like, I don't know what's wrong with it.
Does does is there a contract where Kajira repays you guys for gas associated to those Pego transactions or no?
No, Jira. Injective.
I'm sorry. Injective.
So there's nothing there related to like, what do you call it?
It's pretty cheap. Like it doesn't use a lot of gas.
Okay.
Okay. Well, I feel excited.
So you just did that back to front. You've muted yourself, said something, and then like unmuted yourself.
Hey, you're right. I did. Didn't I?
So I mean, my clicking was probably making noises.
Yeah. So no, like, if you fund it with one injective, that's going to last you like probably a month.
But I mean, just put 10 or 20, like, it's better to not run out of gas.
And monitoring it is, you know, it doesn't it seems like people aren't effectively monitoring it, but it's not that difficult.
There are a lot of different parameters that you can monitor and a lot of them don't matter.
The only ones you need to know is if you're on the latest Nouns, and if you're not how far behind you are, or how long since you did your last Nouns.
The only thing that matters is how long since your last Nouns. I talked to the team about it.
So there's very little information about how you can be slashed on it. The only thing that matters, the only thing that matters in bold underline is if your Nouns is increasing over time.
It doesn't matter how far behind you are. It doesn't matter anything.
You're asking if you're increasing over time.
So I think it's about 5,000 blocks.
Correct. Yep.
So I did notice that six hours for the record.
Oh, yeah, six to seven hours.
So I did notice that auto steak has an enormous Nouns lag.
And I don't think it increases at all.
I think they just haven't fixed it after.
Do you remember a while ago there was a Nouns problem?
And then they fixed it. And I think since they fixed it, I'm not sure that they've done anything to fix their Pego.
And I think they haven't incremented since that issue.
And I think they might be like in a little box of not mattering.
Does that make sense?
I think all Nouns is in the same state. Yeah.
Because they're missing like 12,000 or something.
Not auto steak. All Nouns. Yeah.
Gotcha. Yeah.
So I think if they never do a Pego transaction again, they will be in their nice little box of never being able to be slashed.
I mean, honestly, at all times we all feel like we're in a box of not mattering, right?
Yeah.
Or is it just me?
So I wonder if they actually leave the like if they get knocked out of the VAL set, for example, and then come back in if it will then fix that.
So there is one poor validator that just gets slashed all the time for Pego because they're right like they Tita totter in and out of the the because you've only got six hours, right?
And so when someone gets jailed, they always get promoted and then they get jailed.
If that makes sense because they seriously that's because you have to restart Pego once you get in the the the active set, right?
Because it just it doesn't process transactions out of it.
And once you get in the set, you have to restart it to make it work.
And then so they keep getting promoted and jailed, promoted and jailed, promoted and jailed.
I've seen it probably 20 times.
That poor schmuck.
One of those situations where obviously foundation engineers, everybody doesn't give a fuck about that particular situation, that particular edge case.
And like a lot of people would be like, well, you know, economic incentives go into play here.
They could just work out a way of monitoring and restarting it.
It's like, yeah, maybe in a bull market.
I mean, you could write a script in 10 minutes to like detect that it's not doing anything and restart it or just run Krontab, which is what we do.
Krontab every hour.
Just listen, just every booted every hour.
Have you tried turning it off and turning it on again?
Yes, 24 times a day.
Exactly.
It was every two hours and that wasn't enough.
Because then no one was getting alarms.
That's very much.
I monitor like a couple of people's pegos who I care about.
And she'll see is like one of said people that I monitor for just as a backstop in case there's something wrong with his monitoring at some point.
And I had to change my monitoring template just to account for his fucking teeter tottering over the like catching up and lagging and catching up and lagging.
We're doing all the best practices.
It just stops.
I don't know.
Whatever works, right?
She'll see like that that hour that it restarts on is like enough to get five plus behind.
So I was like, this is kind of annoying waking me up at two o'clock in the morning for sure.
She'll see second.
So I increased it to 20.
And then like half an hour later, I'm getting alerted again.
I'm like 40.
I'm like, yeah, I'm sure like there's more than 40 in seven hours or six hours.
It should be fine.
But well, it's all about how many bridges are brought in, right?
So like what I'm doing is I'm calculating the slope of the nonce over time.
And if it's not increasing, given a certain amount of slope, then I don't alert.
So I'm like, yeah.
And then once it breaks over a certain point, it'll start alerting.
Oh my goodness.
It is.
It's pretty like.
Blockchain people.
This is the future we're building ever since like ever since our babies first bash script a little while ago.
I'm just like, that's great.
You're you're you're at a dangerous spot.
You are you are.
I hope that when your bash script finally bites you, it is on a situation that is easily recoverable and not financially risky.
My my bash scripts all report.
They like all talk back to the little reporter if they don't check in or if there's an error, they get what I really am talking about is the fact that obviously it's
bash, which is specifically bash script rather than a shell script for some other shell.
Right.
It's not a reliable but the notorious reliability and lack of edge cases in the bash language and runtime.
Kind of a right of passage to get fucked raw by bash at some point.
Disagree.
Are you suggesting that we should be doing ZSH scripts?
You said we just like disagree.
Sorry, you said have you never been stung by a bash script in your career?
Not my nulls.
Yeah.
It's the most reliable thing that exists in life is bash script crown jobs.
There's nothing more.
Everything else is just.
Yeah, I'm not talking about like do you mean like like one job?
I'm talking about like the stuff that we have a heart that goes through our nodes on a crown job.
Obviously that's not going to fail.
It's a three line bash script that says curl some stuff.
But I mean as soon as you try and do a bash script that does some stuff.
My bash scripts do some stuff.
It calls some stuff.
It jcs some stuff.
It wrangles a bit of data.
It maybe writes via CLI to something.
Yeah, then you're going to get fucked.
You can do error handling though.
So it's not so much error.
It's sometimes sometimes nulls point like we I write same thing as he does.
Like we write it where it kicks out to something to say, Hey, I started.
Hey, I stopped it.
If that thing fails and you know that it failed, that's that's one thing.
But friend of the show friend of the show whisper nodes, which I think Brendan might be in that in the chat still.
I know like I know that they got caught up in something that happened.
If I remember like a few months ago where they had a bash script that run that ran so good that they forgot that it was running.
And the fact that it ran fucked something else up right now.
That now that's a good situation.
It's so fucking reliable that it fucks you up down the road.
I could totally see that happening.
I think that's what you're talking about.
Yeah.
I remember what it was though.
I remember that it was ghost.
It was like something where they I forget what it was, but it was like restarting a node based on some sort of structure similar to what Schultz is one hour thing.
But that screwed them up because it wasn't like it didn't hurt any making harm or something.
But it was like something that like the node wouldn't catch up or something was goofy and they couldn't figure out why.
And they realized it was like a crown job running from from like 1984 that was still going and like executing the way it should have.
And so it was.
Well, that's also why one of the most famous tombstones happened of what is it?
Notice.
Yes.
Ten tombstones all together.
That's right.
Because he was taking snapshots using his validator and he migrated off and then his snapshots kicked on and turned on his nodes.
That's right.
And then that's right.
Or it was it was never is another one that moved it to Horcrux.
But then they had a crown job to reboot the node every 24 hours.
And so the original node that they turned off still had the keys on it.
And so at the at the 24 hour market re kicked off and it just double signed like right away.
Yeah.
Fucking beautiful.
Restart scripts or restart scripts or well, I would say don't script anything on a validator like.
It's pretty like.
Yeah, we don't.
Yeah, I don't think we're getting pretty ballsy.
I don't think we do.
I mean, we clear wasm caches and reboot and restarts and stuff like that.
But that's pretty much it.
I don't think we do anything else like to be fair.
Any of that kind of stuff we do manually or we do our answer ball because it just has to.
Well, Ansible, you can get all sorts of different.
Let me be like, but like, you know, I've gotten to the situation before where we've nuked to production.
Like, I think one of the work that I think the the spiciest bash fuck up was the error handling on a large scale, very popular database.
This was very much nearly 10 years ago in a certain edge case when it aired out while flushing to disk, it did not return the expected Unix error code.
It returned some other fucking code, which meant that you couldn't rely on the error handling in your bash script.
And so what happened essentially was it just didn't it basically hung infinitely in while dumping a backup.
But while the backup should have been pretty quick, like five seconds or something, right?
So it was something like it hung.
So there was a switcheroo that happened if one was down, but it wasn't down, it was just hung and the error code never returned an error.
So the other the it didn't go, oh, HA over to the one that was is live the B copy, the A is down.
It just went, oh, at the moment, the A is just doing a routine thing.
Maybe it's garbage collecting, I'm sure it'll only take a second or two.
But, you know, if it doesn't send out an error code, then it's probably fine.
And there's no additional check in line in a bash script to be like, oh, I'll just sleep 10 and see if the thing happened because obviously not it's still hung on the first thing.
And so the production database was just locked up.
There's just an image like what the fuck?
Why is this why is this endpoint not returning?
Why is this entire site and system down?
And then we had to just like SSH onto a bunch of boxes and just be like, the B copies fine.
Why is the B copy not running?
What the fuck?
And then eventually you find this hanging cron job, which like, you know, some PID has been running for 18 hours.
You're like, hmm, days.
Yeah, something has gone badly wrong with this with this database backup.
And for some reason, no further action has been taken by anything.
Yeah, but it wasn't the end of the world because it was only open data and nobody ever fucking looks at that half the time.
So brutally honest.
Yeah.
If you're a government, right?
If you're a government, you want to hide it.
If you're a government, you could have fucking taken care of it.
If you're a government and you want to hide some stuff, right, you don't want people to know about the best way you can do it is publish it as open data.
It's a loan bash.
Just dash if you put it on the internet and trust that nobody will ever bother to fucking look it up.
Bash dash if a life baby.
Oh, that's so funny.
You'll get fucked one day.
Yeah, you will.
Yeah, that's okay.
But it'll be non-critical.
Yeah, you'll be fine.
Well, we run archives too.
We have so many, like our scripts are so fucking, it's gonna play a thing.
It's a delicate balance of trying to get these things snapshot and get them off and make sure we're not saving.
I think the thing we do is like deleting ZFS snapshots with the script.
Yeah, same with ours.
Yeah, because that seems to work pretty good.
Yeah, when it works.
Yeah.
You're just looking.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think they were pretty reliable to be honest.
It's pretty repeatable seems to be.
Oh, definitely reliable.
That's what you're just saying.
It's like sometimes it can be a little bit too reliable.
Yeah.
But yeah.
How's your ALEO been going?
Our ALEO.
ALEO.
I see a lot of talk about the issues associated to those nodes halting.
Ours also gives up the ghost every 12 hours or less and all that kind of stuff.
So I'm using your BAScript to identify if it's moving.
If not, it's restarting and that is helping.
It is keeping it up on point and it is staying at the head.
So it's doing pretty well.
It doesn't report block height very regularly.
My graphs look like shit, but it is actually keeping up in the last 10 hours.
Actually, I've been pretty solid.
So I don't know if something's changing with that as well.
I haven't rebuilt that.
I mean, I'm just pulling off the latest commit on that branch.
And hopefully, you know, so I do see some changes in there.
I do hope that this will get solved and we can move on to something more pressing than this issue.
You guys need to share your Zabix config for it.
I want to see I want your template.
Sure, man.
Do you use Zabix?
Yeah.
Yeah, I use Zabix for most most monitoring.
So like I use Zabix for monitoring most like server infrastructure and then Grafana Prometheus for like specific things generally.
So normally I would use Grafana Prometheus for Alio, but if you guys already have a template, then I do.
Yeah.
Hey, man, we'll we'll bring you bring you the private repo.
Bring you into the fold.
What?
Yeah, there's a private.
Oh my gosh.
There is, of course.
I didn't know that you were a Zabix man.
Yeah, I'm Zabix all the time and no one charms in and is like, yeah, man.
I know he sucked.
He sucked me.
Well, that's weird.
He pulled me into the.
What I was pulling in what I've been doing is similar to you.
I like all my all my alerting.
I'm trying to get into Zabix.
I'm trying to get everything into Zabix.
I still have a bunch of stuff that's still in then and Grafana.
So I'm trying to use Grafana for metrics and Zabix for notifications is kind of my goal.
Grafana alerting is dog.
I just don't trust it.
And like it's either too much or too little.
And like I just really struggle and some of it works really well, you know, like, like, you know, say price feeders and shit like that.
Like those are still fine.
But, but I am trying to move everything into Zabix that way.
And then that allows me to monitor, like, you know, just all the other stuff like Docker and smart D and like everything else on the.
Because we track a bunch of hardware shit and everything else.
But yeah, I'm starting to do that more and more.
I just actually added 40 frickin L one and L two nodes on the Ethereum side for all our shit there to which is such a pain in the ass.
So my shield team, my game plan was start using Zabix, get some MVP templates on it,
shill it to the gang until they start using it and do vastly better shit than me to be able to get back off them.