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I mean, you're making the assumption this is the first cup of tea I've had, which clearly,

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what I mean, first of all, I don't have this cup of tea yet.

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But even if I did, it wouldn't be the first cup of tea I've had today.

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Obviously, it would be one of many is what I would say about that.

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I feel like you probably need like, you know, how the Yanks have got that fucking drip coffee on their desk.

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You need like one of those bit tea.

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With what?

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You know, you got like the pot, the fucking coffee pot, which is like dripping coffee in there.

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Well, I mean, that's called a teapot.

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And and we have we have actually invented that technology that that is a thing.

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Good for you.

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So there is that.

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Good for you.

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Yeah, I guess that hasn't made it down under yet.

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Welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast

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from Independent Validator Teams.

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Hello, welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from Independent Validator Teams.

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And oh, that's a doggie.

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Oh, still no sound.

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Oh, dude.

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One week.

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There's no sound on one end.

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And then there's iCloud notifications on the other end.

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And those taking a phone call.

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You and me, buddy.

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Sheer embarrassment.

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Um, maybe we should have on the stream

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more than two minutes after when it's supposed to start.

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Just to like iron out these things, like turn off notifications

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and make sure the microphone works and make our tea.

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Like, usually we start that process at 2102.

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I'm saying we back it up 10 minutes.

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So here's the thing, right?

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Um, yes, I was late.

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OK, I accept that.

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But at least in my defense, my microphone was on and work first time

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and notifications are silenced on the laptop.

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Like, it's a low bar.

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Like, I fully accept that.

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That is 100% the case.

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Um, but oh, and I've been delivered a cup of tea.

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Oh, look at that.

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It turns out just being generally incompetent in life.

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Um, people take pity on you.

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Oh, it is pity, isn't it?

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It is pity.

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There's no point pretending it's anything other than pity.

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Um, I'll duck out in a minute.

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The ones who love you realize that you're incompetent and somehow step in.

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Yeah, to fix things.

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Yes.

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Yeah, a little bit of a little bit of several things, I suppose.

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Um, possibly.

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Well, it's just laughing at those camera.

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So there there is some bullshit on these things.

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So when you do something else on your phone, you can't like get the camera back.

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So I'm going to have to like, I don't know, disconnect it and reconnect it.

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Or I think last time I had to like leave the studio and come back.

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You might need to, uh, try hitting the little, uh, camera icon in Chrome to have

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it re-associate any sort of permissions.

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Maybe sometimes that happens.

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The one in the menu bar.

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But yes, I mean, the moral of that story is like, don't take a phone call in the

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middle of the stream, but I mean, away from that, I mean, otherwise you're right.

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And now, so I, Shilty, tell me your mic works because everybody else is left.

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Oh my goodness.

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Like it's picking up right now, which I think it's my camera.

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That is definitely your camera.

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Like, yep, for sure.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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So is the thing just like throw it with problems or what the stream?

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Yes.

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The stream is for all the problems.

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You're, you're sounding great now.

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You're good.

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Shilty's got the wrong mic.

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I always sounded good.

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So, oh, you're talking about Shilty.

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Did it, did it register now?

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It might have registered now.

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Nope.

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Wrong mic.

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Right.

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Keep trying.

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It's like a weekly thing with Shilty that is why we keep this.

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It's like the wrong mic.

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The mic doesn't work.

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It flicks over to his headphones.

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Honestly, if we didn't have these issues, the show would only be 60 minutes long.

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So it's all good.

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You know, I think it's actually my cable because I keep having it.

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That's definitely it.

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Whatever you just touched there went bad.

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Well, like muted, right?

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Why does it say it's muted?

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Because it might have, um, maybe, maybe because it saw them like change or something

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or it saw them like disappear.

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So maybe it automatically does something.

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Hey, we're back.

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Cables.

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Fuck this.

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I mean, are you kicking the cable?

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Well, no, it wasn't, no, it wasn't here.

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I've, it's kind of seemed like an opportune moment to go get snacks from the cupboard.

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Just leave me alone.

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That's fine.

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We did it.

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We're good.

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That's all right.

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This is live broadcasting.

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Like a lot of funny things have happened.

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You know, like on radio, they used to have specific like songs they used to go to that

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were long enough that they could go for a piss.

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Yes.

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If they were like broadcasting solo.

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I feel like, hmm.

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It does feel like broadcasting solo.

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Oh, I was going to say what the one of the this, this might not be a real fact, but

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it's one that I kind of remember it being in a documentary, but like, I don't know if

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that's like a false memory, but I feel like there was a thing about how one of the

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first rush songs to like get played on the radio was short enough to be played on the

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radio, but long enough that presenters were like, shit, I can sneak out and go for a piss.

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And that was part of the popularity of the song.

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But maybe that's not true.

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I don't know.

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A bigger rush fan than me would have to correct me on that one.

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I don't think that's true.

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I don't think it's a rush one.

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I think, but I think it is referencing it a real situation, but I think it's like, no,

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I don't think it was like a 2112 situation or something when it took a shit for 20 minutes

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or something.

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Because like, wasn't there wasn't the first rush song got some radio play by working

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man or something?

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Which is not.

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It was 74.

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That's like seven and a half, eight minutes.

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If I remember.

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Was it?

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It's not that long.

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No, there must have been a radio at it.

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There's no way to explain it.

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Six and a half, seven.

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Oh, maybe it's true then.

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I'm going for, I'm going for memory here, but it's definitely the longest song off the

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original album.

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Oh yeah.

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Well, if it was there already, oh, okay.

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We're going into.

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Seven oh six. Boom.

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Holy shit.

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We go right in on the comments.

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If you think there is a radio edit of working man, I don't know.

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I don't think there is.

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I'm playing a seven minute long song, but that was the day of seven minute songs.

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Right.

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Like that's like what's that's 74.

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What's up on Elton is that?

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Is it presence?

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No, we before that.

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Cause presence was like 78.

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It wasn't that's when they're already done.

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They're wrapping up.

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That's like into the outdoor where nobody showed up and shit.

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Like that's like around hold up, hold up.

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Achilles last stand is not nobody showed up.

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No, I'm not saying that.

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I'm a great fucking Elton.

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Like, but so a house to the Holy is 73.

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I think yeah.

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So that's yeah.

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It's up on 471.

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But you know, there's barely gone.

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Start going prog at that point.

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Yeah.

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But but like you have no quarter at seven minutes, rain song seven minutes.

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And then you then right after that physical graffiti.

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And you even had.

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I was on the nursing.

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And you even at that point you had shit.

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You probably had what do you call it cashmere is like nine minutes or something.

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That would have been 70.

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That would have been around the same time.

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So I think it's a lot of shit going on there.

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It's 70 minutes.

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Yeah.

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Interesting about that is that's also true of movie lengths.

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Movie lengths capped out in the 70s for how long they are.

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And then they've been actually decreasing in length ever since.

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So except for what do you call it?

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Scorsese movies.

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Yeah.

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I mean, the outliers, of course, but the average length of the movie is actually

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lower than it was in the 60s and 70s.

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Because there was like they're still trying to figure out, OK, how long can we do it?

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Because then there's also the period in which, you know, you go double feature when

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there's two weeks back to back and you just kind of wander in and out.

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They're still kind of getting used to that whole situation.

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And now it's not a thing anymore.

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Barring some theaters, but then they had to reduce the length and blah, blah, blah, blah.

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It's definitely your cable.

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Like it's like.

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Like it's like it's like it's just like it just cuts in and out every once in a while.

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So it's definitely something like it's definitely sounds like physical.

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OK.

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Is it?

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All right.

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I'll see if I this week uses like one of those mini USBs, the ones that has

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like the different bridges and stuff on it.

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So I don't really have a replacement cable for it on hand.

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Yeah, it's all for you.

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We'll make through it.

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Yeah.

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So here we are.

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So I know it's the spreadsheet is like this week has our research a quit.

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And he was on the piss instead of doing his job.

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What does that mean?

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Exactly.

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The Australian.

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They may drunk all week.

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Hey, what do you mean?

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What does that term mean?

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Exactly.

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Yeah, that's a question.

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What is that term mean?

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On the piss.

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Yeah.

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On the piss.

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It's not really.

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That's something that's raised as well.

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We say that on the piss.

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Get on the piss.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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On it.

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The it being the piss.

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Ben Davis is here.

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There you go.

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Ben, you can't define the phrase by just repeating the phrase over and over.

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That doesn't work.

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That is what being on the piss is.

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I'm sure he does.

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I'm sure Ben's been on the piss.

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Who has probably on the piss right now?

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I think to be fair, most people who choose the live stream are on the

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speaking of on the piss.

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I guess our Christmas show is next week.

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Right.

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Next Wednesday.

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Shit.

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Is it?

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Yeah, it is the 20th.

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I guess so.

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Next Wednesday, I may be joining from the beach.

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What is what date is that?

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Is 21.

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Fuck.

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I'll be in the car.

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I'll be joining you from the car.

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I have the vague feeling that there's something in my calendar next

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Wednesday that isn't this, but I don't know, man.

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It's probably fine.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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Am I going to go see Die Hard at the cinema next Wednesday?

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That sounds.

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That sounds awesome.

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That sounds fucking plausible.

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Last year, so last year when I did the same thing, there was like

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there's like an independent cinema not too far from me showing Die

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Die Hard and just like a pizza night.

282
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Yeah.

283
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And it was great.

284
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It's a great film.

285
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Oh shit, they're doing that here too.

286
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I almost watched Die Hard last night.

287
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It comes up in the every year.

288
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It comes up in the Christmas films section.

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It's Christmas film.

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It's reading R.

291
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I mean, it's read R mute for language.

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Read it.

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Radical.

294
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Try to think if I drag my 10 and 12 year olds to this, I see no reason why not to.

295
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Oh yeah.

296
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That was I mean, there's no there's nothing new to you, right?

297
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You shouldn't like Top Gun, right?

298
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They have seen.

299
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Yeah, sure.

300
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They seem to have more violent than Top Gun.

301
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I don't just like PG 13.

302
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No, I got I got with the top rating, though.

303
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It's like from the 80s.

304
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Like an 80s are, which is like a PG 13, like a hard PG 13.

305
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It's like a G.

306
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Now.

307
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Yeah, exactly.

308
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Yeah. 80s.

309
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I know exactly what you mean by 80s are like now you look at like, what are they?

310
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What were they worried about?

311
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Somebody said, fuck.

312
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That was it.

313
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Yeah, like what they hit somebody.

314
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I think about Australia and America, but like in in England, there was like, I guess

315
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it must have just been like quite cheap to license die hard for a while there.

316
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And like at the end of the 90s, it was just like they just needed a movie that

317
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was recognizable and that had like sleigh bells in it somewhere.

318
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Right.

319
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And like just after work time, like six o'clock, seven o'clock,

320
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no, no, it would have been seven o'clock after the water shed.

321
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So they're allowed to show violence and stuff because there's like a, you know,

322
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I'd show violence on TV until after seven, I think the watershed is seven.

323
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So die hard would always be on like on Christmas Eve.

324
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Yeah.

325
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It just, it was just a cheap film to show after people who just got off work,

326
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they've only just got off on Christmas Eve.

327
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They just want to throw something on, it's got some sleigh bells in it,

328
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some one landers, whatever.

329
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And it's literally always on.

330
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So like every year I've always watched die hard with my dad just before Christmas.

331
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I mean, it's a great movie.

332
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You know, everyone's like, hang on, wait, is die hard a Christmas film?

333
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And you're like, yeah, yeah, obviously.

334
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But definitely.

335
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I mean, they've literally been showing it on the national

336
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broadcaster for fucking 20 years.

337
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Well, they knew it then.

338
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And then they made the second one, which was basically, wasn't it on Christmas

339
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day when that when they took over the little church thing and like

340
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there's the airport and all that shit.

341
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That was Christmas Eve or something.

342
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Well, the first one's like Christmas as well.

343
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Anyway, that's Christmas.

344
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Yeah.

345
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It's Christmas party.

346
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Yes.

347
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The Christmas party.

348
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So it's a few days before Christmas.

349
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But the yeah, the die hard too is the morning of Christmas Eve, isn't it?

350
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It's the night of the night of the night before Christmas.

351
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Right.

352
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And it happens all into Christmas Eve and it ends on the morning of Christmas Eve,

353
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doesn't it, in the middle of the night.

354
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Right.

355
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Yeah.

356
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So I mean, that was probably the best marketing for that movie is the fact

357
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that it was a Christmas so it can get played at Christmas every fucking year.

358
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I wonder how much money it's made.

359
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Probably a few Bob.

360
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A couple of bucks.

361
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Oh, joy.

362
00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,200
There's been another fucking update for the Kujira feeder.

363
00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:01,800
Yeah.

364
00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:02,920
Good for you, man.

365
00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:03,920
Oh, exciting.

366
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Treat yourself.

367
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I've just seen in the chat, Ben Davis has said the cosmos, cosmos hub governance

368
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should decide whether or not die hard as Christmas.

369
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They should.

370
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Or not.

371
00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:15,360
They should.

372
00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,680
We're pretty rashing about it.

373
00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:20,640
Hey, what's the Nakamoto Tower coefficient associated to the cosmos?

374
00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,320
Hey, this guy.

375
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Boom, boom.

376
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Bring out the big guns.

377
00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:27,480
Oh, yeah.

378
00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:28,480
I'm not sure.

379
00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,480
I'm not sure.

380
00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:30,480
I'm not sure.

381
00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,480
I'm not sure.

382
00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,480
I'm not sure.

383
00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:33,480
I'm not sure.

384
00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,480
I'm not sure.

385
00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:36,480
Oh, my God.

386
00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,480
That's like a mix of that's like a crypto dad joke.

387
00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,840
I was already gearing up for their Christmas.

388
00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:42,840
That's pretty good.

389
00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,840
What's the Nakamoto Tower coefficient?

390
00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,720
Yeah, I've got to find a way of weaseling that into it.

391
00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,200
You're going to work it in your PhD.

392
00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,200
Yeah, I was going to say.

393
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You're going to be a hit around the water cooler.

394
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A budget cooler with these kind of budget cuts.

395
00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:59,360
No, I don't know.

396
00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,520
I don't think this may not surprise you.

397
00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,480
I don't know if I'm that popular in the in the tweed circle.

398
00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,320
You're not very popular in the circle of tweed.

399
00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,560
Well, people don't really seem to not many people seem to reply to my emails.

400
00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:16,640
I don't know if I'm just because they're busy, right?

401
00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,680
And the one of the first times I went and took up a desk, which I was like given the

402
00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,280
key to the room and it's like my supervisors room, whatever.

403
00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,800
And it's like kind of darkly somebody died over there.

404
00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,600
And then this is this is a free desk, I think.

405
00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:39,240
I think actually that was a misspeak and it was the person who had that desk has died,

406
00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,240
which is also dark.

407
00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,360
But I'm not dead yet.

408
00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,400
Just anyway, I think I'll go for a while.

409
00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,160
I was sitting down for like five minutes and somebody came in and was like, how dare you

410
00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,160
sit at that desk?

411
00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:51,160
I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ.

412
00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,160
I'm out of my depth here.

413
00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:57,600
I was like, I just want to I just need a place to fucking plug in a laptop house and

414
00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,600
playman.

415
00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,840
I had that Nakamoto Tower coefficient joke.

416
00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,680
I might get you some points around there.

417
00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,360
Let's be like, how's that Nakamoto Tower coefficient working out for you?

418
00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,080
And they'll be like, I have no idea what you're talking about.

419
00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,080
Get off.

420
00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,360
Get off this floor.

421
00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,120
He stole my desk, but I like the phrase.

422
00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,680
He's got a good sense of humor.

423
00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,680
He stole my desk.

424
00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,320
He made fun of my pocket protector and my and my tweed jacket.

425
00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,320
And my tweed jacket.

426
00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,520
No, I'm not sure I've seen any tweed jackets.

427
00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:27,760
No tweed jackets?

428
00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:28,880
Not the Crypto Arm, right?

429
00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:29,880
Not in this.

430
00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:30,880
Not in this.

431
00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:31,880
That's on the other side.

432
00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,440
No, I think the tweed jackets is just like generic posh English people, right?

433
00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:36,440
It's quite.

434
00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,560
Yeah, but it's more a professor thing.

435
00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,440
I was actually hitting on the professor, not so much English.

436
00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,440
All right.

437
00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,560
I think tweet is more of like an affectation.

438
00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:49,760
You can kind of find more liberally sprinkled through the upper and middle classes in this

439
00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:55,800
country, maybe, especially anybody who maybe remotely has a Scottish relative.

440
00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,080
Yeah, you see that when people get married?

441
00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,800
It's like that I was, yeah, I've seen that a couple of times where it's like, you know,

442
00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,680
people have got their tart and and it's like, I didn't know you were Scottish.

443
00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,680
I can't think.

444
00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,520
I don't even know what professors look like anymore.

445
00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,880
Yeah, it's like, well, yeah, it's a little bit like no offense, but it's a little bit

446
00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,520
like, you know, some American people who are like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm Irish and you're

447
00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,520
like, oh, right.

448
00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,160
When did your family come over there?

449
00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,680
Like, 150 years ago.

450
00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,360
Like, oh, okay.

451
00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,360
So it's been a while.

452
00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,360
Yes.

453
00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,480
It's been a little while.

454
00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:38,480
Oh, my, my, my English professor, that would remind me of like Donald, Donald Southern

455
00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,400
London Animal House or something like that.

456
00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,800
Just like sitting around talking crypto.

457
00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:43,800
Yeah.

458
00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:44,800
I joined.

459
00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:45,800
Wait, didn't you do engineering though?

460
00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,800
Like you did a serious, like there was no tweet in engineering.

461
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:54,520
It was Christmas white shirts and thick black glasses.

462
00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,480
More specifically, short sleeve, Chris Boyd shirts.

463
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,600
That would be it with or without tie.

464
00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,600
Usually with tie, short sleeve, pressed.

465
00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:04,600
Yep.

466
00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:10,560
Straight out of the costume, the department for the right stuff, you know, it's exactly

467
00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,120
that is exactly what it is.

468
00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:13,120
That's exactly what it is.

469
00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:17,280
It's not like the, the, the control room and the right stuff, right?

470
00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,280
When they're all standing around.

471
00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,280
Yeah.

472
00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,280
Yeah.

473
00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,040
That's a Christmas movie recommend for it for everybody.

474
00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,040
I love that movie.

475
00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,280
It's, it's, it's, it's a nine out of 10.

476
00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:27,280
Easily.

477
00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,280
Yeah.

478
00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,280
Easily.

479
00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,120
There's one or two, I think it's about 10, 20 minutes too long.

480
00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:33,520
They probably got a cut.

481
00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:39,560
Then they go with a slightly tighter cut and there's like one or two points where the music

482
00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,520
has not dated well and it doesn't quite fit.

483
00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,320
I don't know if it fits the action perfectly.

484
00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,320
There's my only two ads.

485
00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,320
Fair enough.

486
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,040
That is pretty much a perfect film.

487
00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,040
Crazy.

488
00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,920
I mean, great star cast.

489
00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:54,920
Just I don't know.

490
00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,640
It is, it's probably an hour too long.

491
00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,560
Actually, isn't that like three and a half or something?

492
00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,960
No, two and a half, two and a half.

493
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:01,960
No.

494
00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,920
Oh, I thought it was longer than that because it's really two movies, right?

495
00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,840
I mean, you really have, you really have Andrews, answers, Edwards.

496
00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,200
You really have Edwards, that whole structure, and then you have everything after that.

497
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,640
But no, has not seen this film based on his expression and indifference.

498
00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,320
I have no idea what you're talking about.

499
00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,440
I'm like trying to say it like Gucci feeder.

500
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,760
Yeah, I have no idea.

501
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,520
And it has the greatest actor it's ever lived, which is guesses.

502
00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:28,520
You about to say.

503
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:29,680
Oh, I think you're going to say it.

504
00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:30,680
You about to say it.

505
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,680
Harris.

506
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,680
I am going to say it.

507
00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:33,680
Harris.

508
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:34,680
You for you.

509
00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,680
Oh, okay.

510
00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:36,680
So, so I am going to say it.

511
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:37,680
Harris fan, huh?

512
00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:38,680
Yeah, huge.

513
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,680
Great fucking actor.

514
00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,680
I mean, he's been some good stuff.

515
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,680
He's been some good stuff.

516
00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,040
He's a different person than everyone of those good stuff.

517
00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,040
He's in Glen Garry, Glen Ross.

518
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

519
00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,440
But his masterpiece, the Abyss, of course, the Abyss.

520
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,240
Well, the, I mean, direct his cut or original, right?

521
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,400
That is like, that's like, I don't want to be a fan.

522
00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,720
I do like that movie.

523
00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,440
And even though I don't want to get beat up on it because of like master commander and

524
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,120
all this type of shit, but his, but his, that scene with him, bring it.

525
00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:08,120
What's her face back to life?

526
00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:09,120
What's her name?

527
00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:12,760
I forget what her name is, but pound on her chest and like when, when she's drowning and

528
00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,440
they like bring, when they bring her back and he's fighting for her, I think that was,

529
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,440
that's like an amazing scene.

530
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:18,440
If you remember that movie.

531
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:19,440
Yeah.

532
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:20,440
I think it's an underrated film.

533
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,360
And I, I can't remember whether it's the original.

534
00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:23,360
It's just got silly.

535
00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:24,360
That's all.

536
00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:27,280
Well, I can't remember if it's the original or the director's cut where it has the, the

537
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,280
really dark ending.

538
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,600
I like that one.

539
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,520
I think that is the director because it's totally different, right?

540
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,720
Like basically, yeah.

541
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,160
One of them is like, no, no, no, no, it's all worked out.

542
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:46,400
And the other one is like, things did not pan out well when conflict was, was, when

543
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:51,280
conflict was found between the parties in this movie.

544
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,280
Yeah.

545
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,560
But the dark ending is, is good.

546
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,680
I know I need to go back and watch that.

547
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,520
I think I've seen it, but I don't have it.

548
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:00,720
But anyway, great actor.

549
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,720
Also, what was it?

550
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,960
The first season of, I guess of, what was that HBO thing with the, with the robot people

551
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,960
and all that shit?

552
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:10,960
Damn.

553
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:11,960
Wait, what?

554
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:18,400
There's HBO series with, with him acting in a, oh my goodness.

555
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,560
Why do I open my mouth before I know the answer for it?

556
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:21,560
I've not seen it.

557
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,560
I think kind of the one you mean.

558
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:24,560
What?

559
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,560
Westworld.

560
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:26,560
Ed Harris.

561
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,560
Oh, Westworld is a pretty good.

562
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,560
Westworld.

563
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,560
Pretty good.

564
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:31,560
I wish, man.

565
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,560
That's the one.

566
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,280
Man, I never really finished that.

567
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,280
It went to shit.

568
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,280
Yeah.

569
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,280
I only see the one with watching my...

570
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,280
Sorry, spoiler.

571
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,280
Yeah.

572
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,480
The first season was like the best.

573
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,760
And then versus it was great.

574
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,760
Yeah.

575
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:44,760
Anyway, moving on.

576
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:50,120
Since we've stumbled onto James Cameron, Alien or Aliens?

577
00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:51,920
I mean, they're...

578
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,920
Okay.

579
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:53,920
Which one's better?

580
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:54,920
You can only pick one.

581
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,560
Only what two movies enter, only one leaves?

582
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,000
Honestly, I'm willing to go to Alien.

583
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,000
Alien's good.

584
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,000
Absolutely.

585
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,080
I think that objectively it's better.

586
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,600
I think that Alien more does it for me.

587
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,040
Just because the historical context of it, I think, makes it especially special.

588
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,000
Alien's too, just is about a movie.

589
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,400
Alien itself has a bigger cultural impact.

590
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,120
I knew you were going to say Alien.

591
00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:21,120
That's what...

592
00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:22,120
I mean...

593
00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:25,120
It is objectively the better, academically the better.

594
00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:27,600
That is the right answer.

595
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:33,600
And yet, I'll say Bill Paxton was only an alien, so therefore it's aliens.

596
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:34,600
I think...

597
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,600
And of course, I would use...

598
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,600
Game over, man.

599
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,800
Like, Alien is the best movie.

600
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:40,800
By far.

601
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,920
Alien is the best movie.

602
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,080
It is a masterpiece.

603
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,400
There are so many things about it.

604
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,000
The brilliant, the pacing.

605
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,000
100%.

606
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000
The tears, the cultural impact.

607
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,000
The stress.

608
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,280
The design, the music.

609
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,280
Everything.

610
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,680
The dress, the acting.

611
00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,080
The guy that acted as the alien.

612
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:06,360
They just like, you know, sort of wore a jumpsuit and all of those gestures are like him.

613
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,480
The idea that it's not CG, it's something like that.

614
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:15,280
It is a guy who is an actor and I think possibly a dancer of some kind and is just projecting

615
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,200
physical malice.

616
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,000
Oh my God.

617
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,000
However...

618
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,000
Shilty's right.

619
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,000
Let's all agree.

620
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,000
Shilty's right.

621
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,000
Yet...

622
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,000
Thank you.

623
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,000
I need that.

624
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,000
Yet, I will watch aliens...

625
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,000
You said you could be allowed there to die, Burke.

626
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,000
What's wrong with you?

627
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,000
Why didn't you warn them?

628
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,360
Why didn't you warn them, Burke?

629
00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:38,560
So if I'm completely honest, I don't think I've seen Alien.

630
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,640
Have you seen Aliens?

631
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:47,040
I've seen Aliens and I would pick it just because Sigourney Weaver is like a good actor.

632
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,040
And both of them?

633
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,040
Oh, she's a zoomer.

634
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,040
She's also a both of them.

635
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,040
Is she?

636
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,040
She's an alien.

637
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,040
She's an all of them, actually, isn't she?

638
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,360
Is one like a sequel to the other one?

639
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,360
Oh my God.

640
00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:57,360
That's amazing.

641
00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,040
Aliens is the sequel, yeah.

642
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,040
Yeah.

643
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,040
One's a plural and one's a single.

644
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,040
Is it the third one?

645
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,040
Second.

646
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:10,640
So, that's the one where it starts off on the fucking planet with the people in jail,

647
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,640
right?

648
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,000
No, that's like Alien 3, I think.

649
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,000
That's Alien 3.

650
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,000
What a legend.

651
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:21,040
So, my top facts about Alien 3 is it was, what's his name?

652
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,040
That really good guy.

653
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,040
It was his fincher.

654
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,320
It was David Fincher's first movie, right?

655
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,920
And it had been a really troubled production and they gave it to Fincher and they were

656
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,880
like, don't fuck it up, right?

657
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:39,760
And it was apparently a bit of a car crash, but there are still to this day, NDAs and

658
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,760
things in place.

659
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,560
And there's like an interview more recently where somebody asked David Fincher about it,

660
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,240
like based on like, here's all of the films you've done, right?

661
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,360
You know, what do you, do you have any regrets?

662
00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:54,240
He was just like Alien 3.

663
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,240
Really?

664
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,240
It's been made.

665
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,240
Yeah.

666
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,320
It wasn't quite like that, but he was more or less like, can't say anything more about

667
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,320
it.

668
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,880
I had to do it at that point in my career.

669
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,840
It did open some doors, but I think as a film, it was just flawed.

670
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,440
Like it was something like that.

671
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,160
And he was, and there's all the stuff about, like, you know, there's like, there's like

672
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:17,160
two different versions as well that were storyboarded that didn't get made.

673
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,200
I think possibly three, actually.

674
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,440
One of them is a graphic novel, which is the William Gibson one.

675
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,240
Do you know William Gibson?

676
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,240
No.

677
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,440
What the fuck?

678
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,960
You work in one crypto and you don't know who William Gibson is?

679
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,960
Maybe.

680
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,960
Neuromancer?

681
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:35,960
Hmm.

682
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:36,960
Okay.

683
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,000
That sounds really, he has a comic or a graphic novel.

684
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,720
So what I'm sure there is one of Neuromancer, but so William Gibson was asked to write the

685
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:52,080
script for Alien 3, which it got, you know, and put on a shelf somewhere.

686
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,600
Whoever made that film, Warners.

687
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,240
And then many, many years later, they made a graphic novel out of the script that was

688
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,960
I guess the option had expired or whatever.

689
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,400
And so they were able to do something with it.

690
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,160
I don't know that.

691
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,160
Yeah.

692
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,840
It's completely different from the film.

693
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,080
Yeah, it's good.

694
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,280
I don't know that it actually solves a lot of the fundamental problems with Alien 3,

695
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,280
which is that I don't really think Alien 3 needed to exist.

696
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,280
But, but yeah.

697
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,280
I don't think you know that.

698
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,280
I do.

699
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,280
I do.

700
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,280
Well, go ahead.

701
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,520
I actually like Prometheus and the other one.

702
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,400
I know that they're not the greatest movies of all time, but I actually really enjoyed

703
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,000
them and I'm sad that they haven't continued the story even further.

704
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,600
I was about to say that.

705
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,280
I thought, I thought someone's later ones had pretty decent reviews, right?

706
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,880
Post, post three, like Prometheus or whatever.

707
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,880
I think they're pretty well panned.

708
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,880
Oh, they are.

709
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:41,880
Yeah.

710
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:42,880
I thought someone was right.

711
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,880
Prometheus, that's pretty big problems as well.

712
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,480
I mean, is it just like because you're following up with Alien Aliens and so what the hell is

713
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,480
that?

714
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,320
Are you just, is it just because you're following up on those two movies and then so everything

715
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,000
just looks like shit or are they actually bad movies?

716
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,040
I think Coveman is a squadron maybe.

717
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,040
Yeah.

718
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,400
Well, Prometheus did have a lot of like logic issues.

719
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,520
I think the one that really got them was when the Prometheus is rolling and people are like

720
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,760
running in line with it.

721
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,840
And I think that just stuck in everyone's head of like, if that happened in the movie,

722
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,200
obviously no logic in the movie can be correct.

723
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,280
It was like you knew, I was going to say, that fucking bit and the bit where they're

724
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,720
like, we're like a million miles from Earth and you're like, oh, so you're like just before

725
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,720
Mars.

726
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:29,480
There's like a bunch of movies that are like that, they're like, we can't send a message

727
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,200
because the distance involved is over four million miles or something.

728
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:38,000
You're like, if you guys haven't finished, figured that out by now, then the entire of

729
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,320
the alien universe does not make any sense.

730
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,320
Oh, alien resurrection.

731
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,320
That's the other one, right?

732
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,320
Is that one in that situation?

733
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,080
That's Alien 4, isn't it?

734
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,080
In the original sequence.

735
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,080
Oh, is it?

736
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,360
It is that one is fucking shit.

737
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:51,360
Is it?

738
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,080
I don't even think that really is counted, is it?

739
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,080
Like people just say alien one, alien two, alien three, and then they put a bit of a

740
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,320
face of a face at alien three and then.

741
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,320
That's it.

742
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,320
Is that the last one that Sigourney's in?

743
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,120
Or is there, or she even, she's not in those other ones, right?

744
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,120
Prometheus?

745
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:07,120
No, she's not.

746
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,120
Yeah.

747
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,120
Or she dies in one of them, right?

748
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,160
Oh, she dies in one of them.

749
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,160
Dies in three.

750
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,160
Oh yeah, that's right.

751
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,160
Oh, I'm sorry.

752
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

753
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,160
Yeah.

754
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,160
Well, yeah.

755
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,160
There's a lot of ships next to him, so fuck it.

756
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,160
So, which shit?

757
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,160
Let's spoil everything.

758
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,160
Burn it all down.

759
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:34,160
Well, I was going to say, the one good thing, actually, the Null's comment is appropriate,

760
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,480
because I think the one good thing that the alien resurrection brought us was the bit

761
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:47,160
where she finds the lab and there's the hugely mutated Ripley, and it just goes, kill me.

762
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,280
It's a classic moment.

763
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,160
Like the guy in the play-sense.

764
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:59,160
The one thing that bugs me is that in Metroid, they named Ripley after alien, of course,

765
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,160
right?

766
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,640
It always bugs me because I always cross them, or it might be Ridley in order to just kind

767
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,160
of play on it a little bit.

768
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,160
I don't know if that's related, but I've been playing the Metroid game lately, and it's

769
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,160
in my mind.

770
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,160
Ripley?

771
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,160
Yeah.

772
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,160
Now I'm all, I'm already looking at reserving spots in this fucking diehard.

773
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,160
Saturday 23rd, 5 p.m. in a small theater that has alcohol.

774
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,160
How do you not bring the family?

775
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,160
Bring the family.

776
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,160
That's awesome.

777
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,160
Come on down.

778
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,160
Man, I want to go and see Diehard now.

779
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,160
An alien.

780
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,160
An alien.

781
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,160
You certainly need to see alien.

782
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,160
We've established that much.

783
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,160
How much are these anyway?

784
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,160
I was trying to find, so Slapchop, Slapchop.

785
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,160
Slapchop.

786
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,160
I watched Slapchop this week.

787
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,160
You watched Slapchop?

788
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,160
It's not on Netflix, and it's not on Prime.

789
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,160
Ah, you need more legal sources of...

790
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,160
Well, I mean, I hate, I don't want to encourage.

791
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,160
I watched it same day.

792
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,160
Same day.

793
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,160
Did you?

794
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,160
Yeah.

795
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,160
Good thing we recorded at 6 a.m. over there.

796
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,160
Did you enjoy it?

797
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,160
I mean, it was a pretty standard fucking 80s movie, like 70s movie movie.

798
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,160
But did you enjoy it?

799
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,160
That's quite a review.

800
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:24,160
To be honest, I don't see why you were so excited about it.

801
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,160
It's a great movie.

802
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,160
My expectation is it can be pretty much Caddy Shack, but without...

803
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,160
God, what's the fucking name of the actor?

804
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,160
It's fled my mind.

805
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,160
Who?

806
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,160
With Bill Murray.

807
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Bill Murray, there we go.

808
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,160
I'm kind of expecting more violent Caddy Shack.

809
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,160
No Bill Murray and about hockey, not golf.

810
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,160
It's not really...

811
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,160
I mean, it's comedy because it's...

812
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,160
It's not a comedy.

813
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,160
It's not a comedy.

814
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,160
It's not a comedy like in that way.

815
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,160
It's not like a Caddy Shack comedy where...

816
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,160
It's somewhat somewhere, I guess, but not quite.

817
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,160
It's subtly funny in certain ways.

818
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

819
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,160
I don't know, just some of those things get burned into your face.

820
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:10,160
Maybe it hits better if you're American and understand more of the context of some of the jokes, maybe.

821
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,160
Yeah, but the...

822
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,160
That clip I said earlier with them on the...

823
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:24,160
The hair pieces and that thing and the guy playing the organ and then obviously the handsome brothers are fucking hilarious.

824
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:30,160
That's just a great storyline with those three and listen to the fucking song.

825
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,160
There's just good moments in that movie.

826
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,160
I didn't say it was...

827
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,160
That's great, by the way.

828
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,160
I didn't say it was fucking Schindler's List.

829
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,160
I just said it was a good movie.

830
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,160
You know what I mean?

831
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,160
It's no porkies.

832
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,160
I just watched that a couple of weeks ago, actually.

833
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,160
It showed up.

834
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:53,160
Isn't porkies like one of those ones like Revenge of the Nerds that has really, really not dated well?

835
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,160
It's just tits.

836
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,160
It is just tits.

837
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,160
Porkies, and Porkies too, is even worse that way too.

838
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,160
They're all bad.

839
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,160
Excellent.

840
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,160
There is no storyline whatsoever.

841
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,160
They just do whatever they can to have an excuse to show some tits.

842
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,160
Yeah, exactly.

843
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,160
The other one I watched this week was Spring Break.

844
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,160
Have you guys seen that movie?

845
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,160
That is a shit movie.

846
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,160
It's a great movie.

847
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,160
You should watch it.

848
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,160
Spring Break is the amazing movie.

849
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:29,160
I do have an habit of searching for videos with a rating of 12 or 13, somewhere between 10 and fucking 25.

850
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,160
I'm guessing that's out of 100.

851
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,160
Yeah.

852
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,160
It's like, what's the scale?

853
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,160
Spring Break is a great movie.

854
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:47,160
It's either so bad, it's great, or like, and then there's all the mediocre ones that are just mediocre, and then you've got your 90 plus ones that are usually pretty good.

855
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:55,160
I think some of these are also, you see them at very, which I'm thinking about with our kids too, is you see them at very impressionable times.

856
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,160
You know what I mean?

857
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:04,160
Like, you're old enough where you're starting to explore these feelings, whether it's girls or whether it's this, that, or whatever.

858
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:10,160
And then you see these movies that have these people going through that same shit, like Porky's is a good example.

859
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,160
And you just remember that, right?

860
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:18,160
So, like, Slapshot, I remember seeing hundreds of times in those early days.

861
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,160
It was always on TV too, I remember.

862
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,160
It was one of those things that always got repeated.

863
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:28,160
And like Spring Break, Spring Break, I remember seeing like in high school with friends and like, it's just one of those awful movies that you just love.

864
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,160
And you just quote to each other over and over.

865
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:45,160
I think I was kind of lucky in that like the movies that had kind of were about five years old or like five to 10 years old that were like just on TV constantly because they're cheap to license by that point was just like Wayne's World and Bill and Ted.

866
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,160
Yeah, yeah, Bill and Ted.

867
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,160
See, Bill and Ted's a movie too.

868
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Yeah, I remember like taping this is this is showing my fucking age.

869
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,160
I remember taping that shit.

870
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,160
Sure.

871
00:32:54,160 --> 00:33:05,160
Yeah, we're all like, sure, we're of an age where we remember like the VHS machine and being like trying to get your dad to help you to fucking get the thing working and then set the timer and all that crap.

872
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,160
Right.

873
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:12,160
Or you set the timer and they would like somebody to fuck it up and they pop the tape out or like something else would happen or like, yeah.

874
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:20,160
But somebody just like goes to watch something else and they don't pay attention and it wipes the timer and they're like, oh, was somebody recording something and you're like fucking probably.

875
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,160
But yeah, yeah, fucking.

876
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,160
Ah, Wayne's World.

877
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,160
What a film.

878
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,160
That was I mean, my kids love that movie too.

879
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,160
Because I mean, that's a great movie too.

880
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,160
But I hate to say it worked great.

881
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,160
That's not really.

882
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,160
That is a movie that I enjoy every once in a while.

883
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,160
Not a great movie though.

884
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,160
One of my favorite things is so I think Wayne's World 2 is a bit underrated.

885
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,160
I actually think it's quite good.

886
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:54,160
But that's the one where it has that has the great bit where it has the drug dealer from with now and I has just did it as a cameo.

887
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,160
Yeah, that's fucking great.

888
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,160
I love that.

889
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:04,160
Because because I feel like wasn't that guy in with their life because he was their drug dealer.

890
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,160
Oh, I don't know.

891
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,160
Is that right citation citation needed on that one.

892
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,160
That might be a game of notes.

893
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,160
It's like poorly remembered lie.

894
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,160
Cause less says beta max was far better VHS.

895
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,160
My dad was a huge beta max person.

896
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,160
So we went through that structure to wherever we.

897
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,160
It's quality over quantity.

898
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,160
And then next thing you know, we're by the age of like 10 years later and throw all this shit out.

899
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,160
But yeah, yeah, we were beta.

900
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,160
We were beta host.

901
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:33,160
I said people in cause more survive beta max.

902
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,160
It's funny.

903
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,160
Also Bill and Ted's being originally from that region being set in Chicago.

904
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,160
Like that, that also was really close to us too.

905
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,160
Cause all those places they drove we knew right.

906
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,160
And like that whole idea where that was set we had some history with.

907
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,160
So that actually made it really close to.

908
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,160
So yeah, a little bit of topic.

909
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,160
What's up?

910
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,160
You get to write news or crypto.

911
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,160
No, I don't know.

912
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:06,160
We get like, I'm going to be doing my first, uh, Kolo stuff next week.

913
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:12,160
And, uh, you know, first, first time answering the, uh, sexual.

914
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,160
Yeah.

915
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,160
First call those.

916
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,160
I'm entering the, um, the data center.

917
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,160
Uh, have you been in a data center like that before?

918
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,160
I have, but just as a tour, I went to the M2 in Melbourne,

919
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,160
which is like a very, I sent you photos.

920
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,160
I'm pretty sure while I was there.

921
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,160
It's a pretty impressive, uh, location.

922
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,160
Yeah.

923
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:39,160
It's got like the, the like chill area in M2 is like bigger than my house.

924
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,160
Oh, like that.

925
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,160
Like a, like a front office type of thing or the conference rooms and shit type of idea.

926
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,160
So they've, so M2 and Melbourne is like enormous.

927
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:54,160
And, um, they have a, so they got the entrance foyer.

928
00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:01,160
And it's all like security arise, you have to have your little card and your face to get anywhere in there and your thumb or whatever.

929
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:11,160
Um, off to the left, you have like offices that you can book and that type of stuff where you can just go and like work for the day if you want and that type of shit.

930
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,160
Sure.

931
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:19,160
But off to the right, they've got like, you know, coffee machine, a part spending machine with like NVM's and shit in there.

932
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,160
Really?

933
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,160
That's awesome.

934
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,160
Yeah.

935
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:36,160
But then just like this big, big, like, you know, desks and it's like really dimly lit and like got the Nespresso fucking wall of coffee machine type situation going on.

936
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,160
Yeah.

937
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:50,160
Um, but yeah, like even the, and I'm not sure what they call it, like the, the cabinet floor or whatever the, uh, the cage floor, whatever they call that area with all the servers is like pretty impressive.

938
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,160
Server room?

939
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,160
Sure.

940
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,160
Yeah.

941
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,160
Whatever it is.

942
00:36:54,160 --> 00:37:00,160
Um, and even like the, the power supplies and stuff there is all modular.

943
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,160
Like they've got modular generators.

944
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,160
So this place isn't completely built out yet.

945
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,160
They've got like a certain amount of capacity now.

946
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:13,160
And then as they add capacity, they just add generators and batteries into the, they just crane them in and drop them on the roof.

947
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,160
Yeah.

948
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,160
And then that's like how they just keep plugging more shit in.

949
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,160
Yeah.

950
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,160
Like you run one or you run multiple, then you have as many spares and like it just keeps growing that way.

951
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,160
Right.

952
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,160
Yeah.

953
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:41,160
So like as you increase the megawatt capacity of the, like as you get more customers, they just keep adding more shit so that, um, I guess you don't have all the overhead at the start of the build, like all the apex, but, um, and then they've got like shit loads more property to like build more stuff as well.

954
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:48,160
So it's, it's going to be like a big data center, but, uh, we're putting our stuff into M one, which is down near the city in Melbourne.

955
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,160
Is that the original one?

956
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,160
Is that like smaller or something?

957
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,160
Yeah, it's like smaller.

958
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,160
It's near the CBD.

959
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,160
It's from when, before they were cool.

960
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,160
Before they were cool.

961
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,160
Yeah.

962
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,160
I got shares in next DC man.

963
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:06,160
I reckon they're going to be like, well, they probably already are now the biggest provider in Australia and data centers.

964
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,160
Um, king of the dipshits.

965
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Yeah.

966
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,160
The biggest data center in the US.

967
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,160
That's center.

968
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,160
Look at it.

969
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,160
Look at it on his Island.

970
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,160
2000 miles from anywhere.

971
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,160
It's the biggest data center in more size.

972
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,160
The spaceport.

973
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,160
To me, it's massive with anywhere you can get it.

974
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,160
2000, 200 millisecond latency, everywhere in the world, only here.

975
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,160
Sorry.

976
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Go ahead.

977
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,160
So anyway.

978
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:38,160
Um, so who I'm buying my co-level is not like the data center.

979
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,160
It's like, I'm going into a rack of an existing customer like one of their partners.

980
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,160
Yeah, they're sub-lecent.

981
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,160
Yeah.

982
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,160
And, um, so they're not really in Melbourne though.

983
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,160
They're in Sydney or Canberra or something.

984
00:38:53,160 --> 00:39:01,160
And, um, so because I'm going to the server room to, well, I was going to rack my server, but it's not going to be ready.

985
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,160
So someone else is going to rack that a bit later on.

986
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,160
But, uh, he's sending me like the router and I bought a router and that off him because we didn't have one.

987
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:15,160
So, um, so anyway, he's configured that and everything and, and sending that through.

988
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,160
But while I'm there, like he wants me to install some SFPs and stuff into there.

989
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,160
Yeah.

990
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,160
And, um, yeah, man, the guy's just like super organized.

991
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:34,160
He's like, sent me this picture of the, the, um, switch with like all these diagrams and stuff on it and where to put which SFPs.

992
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Oh, like where you're plugging into and everything.

993
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,160
Yeah.

994
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:47,160
Like some copper ones and some fiber ones and you select labeled cable for me to plug into my router with like, support labeled on both of them.

995
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,160
Like, so, I mean, they meter all that shit.

996
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,160
So, I mean, you're probably metering and some, or at least they want to meter it in some sort of, even if you're not even are doing.

997
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,160
You're metering, right?

998
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,160
So they're going to watch that and everything else.

999
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,160
Yeah.

1000
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,160
He's definitely made it 100%.

1001
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,160
So I can't fuck this up yet.

1002
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,160
Yeah.

1003
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,160
Well, I'm pretty sure I'm going to fuck up anyway because my cable is having a confident statement.

1004
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,160
Wait, so I cannot anyway.

1005
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,160
Fuck up.

1006
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,160
But that's it.

1007
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,160
So are you, are you, where's the fiber going?

1008
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,160
Is that going in your switch?

1009
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,160
So I think, or do you buy a card, SPF card?

1010
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,160
SPF card for the, for the, for this monster.

1011
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,160
It's a copper SFP for my switch.

1012
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,160
We're only plugging into like a one gig port.

1013
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,160
So.

1014
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,160
Oh, okay.

1015
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,160
Gotcha.

1016
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,160
Yeah.

1017
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,160
Cool.

1018
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,160
But cause my, my switch is only like a one gig switch at this stage.

1019
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,160
I didn't want to like spend five grand on a 10 gig switch or anything.

1020
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,160
Those things are cheap.

1021
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,160
10 gig switches are cheap, man.

1022
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:51,160
Well, 10 gig switches, but the router, like a decent router with 10 gig in it is like a little bit more expensive.

1023
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,160
Nice.

1024
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,160
So you rack when you, we get all the shit in.

1025
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,160
So I'm going to rack all the shit on Monday and get everything set up.

1026
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:07,160
And then I guess the following week, we'll get delivery of our server.

1027
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:15,160
And hopefully someone at the data center is going to be able to rack that without me having to come back to Melbourne.

1028
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,160
But yeah, I'm going to use remote hands for that.

1029
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,160
And well, if you get, I mean, if you say,

1030
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,160
you're putting up like a little, some sort of thing you can VPN or wire grid into or something.

1031
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:35,160
So as long as that's active and then they plug in IPMI right and everything else, hopefully you can, I mean the issue is like IPMI getting an actual DHCP address and you being able to manage that and all that kind of stuff remotely.

1032
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,160
Like that's the only thing that's a little crazy, but everything else.

1033
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,160
So everything's already set up in the router.

1034
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,160
Basically like we've got a slash 29.

1035
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,160
So any one of those ports that you plug into, they're all designated to an IPM.

1036
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,160
At this stage.

1037
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:59,160
So, you know, if you plug in another server, you just plug it into one of those ports and it'll DHCP its own, it routes to its own port.

1038
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,160
It's giving you a IP.

1039
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,160
Yeah.

1040
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,160
Yeah.

1041
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,160
That's interesting.

1042
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,160
Okay.

1043
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,160
Cool.

1044
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,160
Well, it was just the, it was the easiest way to set it up now.

1045
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:14,160
That's heard that even if I'll make plugs into the wrong hole.

1046
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:20,160
So the plan is to have the cables there labeled and it'll be like, you know, ETH zero.

1047
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,160
Sure.

1048
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,160
IPMI and then your redundant power.

1049
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,160
And except they don't have redundant power for the switch.

1050
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:40,160
I kind of, it would have been nice if the, if the provider switch had POE on it because the switch I've got takes POE in.

1051
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,160
Yeah, they won't do that.

1052
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,160
No, it's a Juniper switch is like bullish.

1053
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,160
That's usually data center switches.

1054
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,160
Let's just supporting, let's just supporting APs or something.

1055
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,160
You're not going to have POE in those situations.

1056
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:59,160
But yeah, because I don't get the, I don't get the power redundancy out of my router.

1057
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,160
Because it's only got one powering.

1058
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,160
Yeah.

1059
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:08,160
But again, that's a pretty small, but like we talked about before, keep the important shit off that router.

1060
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,160
And so it's just management.

1061
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,160
So if that goes down, you're not like missing sign blocks, you're not doing whatever else.

1062
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,160
Right.

1063
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,160
So yeah, I mean, this, this server is not doing any mission, mission critical stuff.

1064
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,160
Right.

1065
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,160
Right.

1066
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,160
You can always catch up, right?

1067
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,160
Like even if it's down, you can always, it's just going to, whenever it comes back, it'll just sync up and you're fine.

1068
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,160
So yeah.

1069
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,160
Yeah.

1070
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,160
It's archives.

1071
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,160
It is just too expensive to rent storage once you start getting over like 10, 15 terabytes.

1072
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,160
Yes.

1073
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,160
So especially fast storage.

1074
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:42,160
So you really have to start buying that stuff and I'm really not looking forward to when those things start to crap out after a year or two.

1075
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,160
They will.

1076
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,160
But like these ones are going to ride endurance of 1.3 for five years.

1077
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,160
So.

1078
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,160
Doesn't matter.

1079
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,160
Yeah.

1080
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,160
Hopefully they'll, they'll fail.

1081
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,160
Yeah.

1082
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,160
They'll fail.

1083
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,160
It's all just statistics, isn't it?

1084
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,160
Yeah.

1085
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:04,160
We've had so many NBMEs fail like, like we've had such SSDs been far more reliable, but, but we've had so much fucking NBMEs.

1086
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,160
But whatever.

1087
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,160
So they, like these ones are going to five year warranty, I think.

1088
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:14,160
So if they crap out, it's just a swap job, but it's still annoying on the day it happens though.

1089
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,160
As long as there's redundancy as long as, yeah.

1090
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,160
Yeah.

1091
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,160
There's like a spare drive.

1092
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:24,160
So it'll be able to reseal the, if it's, if one drops out, it's good.

1093
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,160
Yeah.

1094
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,160
I wasn't able to get a two year chassis though, which is kind of annoying.

1095
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,160
There's just not enough.

1096
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,160
There's no two year chassis available at the moment.

1097
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,160
In the configuration that I wanted.

1098
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,160
It's just the 24 drive.

1099
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,160
Oh, the driver.

1100
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,160
Yeah.

1101
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:44,160
Like a chassis with, with 24 U dot twos just wasn't really available at the moment.

1102
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,160
So this is, I'm guessing this is probably eight 12.

1103
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,160
Oh, in one year.

1104
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,160
In one year.

1105
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,160
Oh, that's good.

1106
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,160
Yeah.

1107
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,160
You're fine.

1108
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,160
Yeah.

1109
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,160
So this is, so I looked up this, this chassis, it's pretty cost effective.

1110
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,160
Shazzy, it's like, but it's really high quality.

1111
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,160
Um, and you identified the motherboard in it there before you serve.

1112
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,160
And I think that's pretty high quality motherboard.

1113
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,160
I think those guys are doing good things.

1114
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,160
Yeah.

1115
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,160
Yeah.

1116
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,160
Tyanna.

1117
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,160
I looked up a bit more information on them and some reviews and, uh, yeah.

1118
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,160
Apparently it's like really high quality shit.

1119
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,160
So I mean, for this one, you just want stability.

1120
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,160
That's all you care about, right?

1121
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,160
So you're not like burning the edge here.

1122
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,160
Not worried about like whatever.

1123
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,160
Stability.

1124
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,160
And like performance from those drives because we're paying a lot of money for those drives.

1125
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:34,160
So I want to be able to like get the best out of them because they're not like,

1126
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,160
they're going to be doing, you know, I'm going to be using quite a few IOPS on those things

1127
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,160
at the end of the day.

1128
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,160
Cause there's multiple, um, you know, operations.

1129
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,160
I love the understatement.

1130
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,160
It's going to be there to few IOPS.

1131
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,160
Some IOPS.

1132
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,160
It'll be there in some months.

1133
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,160
One or two.

1134
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,160
One or two.

1135
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,160
Yeah, but, uh, I don't know.

1136
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,160
I guess we'll see.

1137
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:02,160
It's the first, first, um, go at the owned bare metal.

1138
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:08,160
I don't know if I will still fit like Jacob's, uh, box though, because it's in a data center.

1139
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,160
So, you know, Jacob's box.

1140
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,160
No, it has to be like cell phone running under your desk in the office.

1141
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,160
Oh yeah.

1142
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,160
Yeah.

1143
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,160
Yeah.

1144
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:26,160
I mean, well, you know, quality node operators, data centers are so centralized man.

1145
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,160
Yeah.

1146
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,160
It's bullshit.

1147
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,160
I mean, their business practices have led them to success after success.

1148
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,160
Obvious success.

1149
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,160
Hey.

1150
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:45,160
Oh God.

1151
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:54,160
Um, so what did, what, what's on, on, on, on that, I know we were kind of talking about

1152
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,680
last week and the, the, the whole devs thing and whatnot that has anything more developed

1153
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,160
out of that mess.

1154
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,160
Is anybody doing.

1155
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,160
I'm not sure.

1156
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:10,160
I like, I haven't seen even Jacob on Twitter anymore.

1157
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,160
So I don't know.

1158
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,160
Did he close out account in the reopened or something though?

1159
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,160
I think you, I don't even ask that question.

1160
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:22,160
All I saw was that it went up from 13 engineers at the time of last show to 16 engineers.

1161
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:27,160
So there was three more, three more added their names, I think to the, we've resigned

1162
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,160
pile.

1163
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,160
Yeah.

1164
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,160
I think there was like virtually nothing left either.

1165
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,160
So I don't know.

1166
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,160
I bet that guy lit was probably still there.

1167
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,160
Governance guy.

1168
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,160
Decommissioning all validators.

1169
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,160
So it was, it's something.

1170
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,160
So did they just, so I did the, I, cause I would be talking about this in the chat.

1171
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,160
They, they've left a grace period, right?

1172
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,160
I, I don't think so.

1173
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,160
A lot of values are just shut down.

1174
00:47:54,160 --> 00:48:01,160
Like you can look on injective and handful of others and they just close them down.

1175
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,160
Motherfucker.

1176
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,160
Sorry, I just got an email.

1177
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:11,160
They're shipping a fucking cable this big from Western Australia, like the other side

1178
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,160
of the country.

1179
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,160
And I need it on Friday.

1180
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,160
That cable doesn't exist in, in the whole city.

1181
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:25,160
I can literally go down and buy it at fucking probably like, you got to go in there anyway

1182
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,160
Monday, right?

1183
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,160
Just bring it.

1184
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,160
It's probably in the vending machine at the fucking data center.

1185
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,160
Like, well, now that you own hardware in these data centers, you get to realize you get to

1186
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,160
get, carry these things on your person at all times.

1187
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,160
So go get one of those cables, go get somewhere.

1188
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:44,160
Bullshit Chinese SSD drives or whatever you got and then go get, buy some fans and a bigger

1189
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,160
screwdrivers.

1190
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,160
Take a laptop.

1191
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,160
You're going to need it.

1192
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,160
You're going to need some sort of structure to get in your little micro tech or whatever.

1193
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,160
Like you got to get a go back.

1194
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,160
Yeah.

1195
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,160
You're going to need one of those wifi dongles, right?

1196
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,160
No.

1197
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,160
What, what, what if I do a phone with you, a phone with you or sim would do it.

1198
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,160
No.

1199
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,160
For what?

1200
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,160
To plug into the LAN from a laptop.

1201
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Does your laptop have LAN?

1202
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,160
Oh, you mean, okay.

1203
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,160
You said wifi dongle, which is not what that is, but you mean like an ethernet dongle.

1204
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,160
Yes.

1205
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,160
Oh, sorry.

1206
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,160
You don't say one for a minute.

1207
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,160
You did.

1208
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,160
Yeah.

1209
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,160
Yeah.

1210
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,160
Yeah.

1211
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,160
Yeah.

1212
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,160
Like a little ethernet dongle.

1213
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,160
Yeah.

1214
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,160
Yeah.

1215
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,160
Something like that.

1216
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,160
You're going to need to, yeah.

1217
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,160
Sure.

1218
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,160
You're going to need a little bag of shit for the, for the DC.

1219
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,160
Some of your plugs.

1220
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,160
Some of your plugs.

1221
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,160
The spare fans, you know, spare fans.

1222
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,160
Yeah.

1223
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,160
Screwdrivers.

1224
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,160
Like a little, a little toolkit.

1225
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,160
Yeah.

1226
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,160
I have on you because you get in there and you realize you can't open a fucking case because

1227
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,160
you got to replace the driver.

1228
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,160
Oh my God.

1229
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,160
I can't believe I can't open this case.

1230
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,160
All these good times.

1231
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,160
What your cases have screws.

1232
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,160
Yeah.

1233
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,160
You will.

1234
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,160
I mean, you got to, if you, if you have a drive in a sled, you got to pull out and replace

1235
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,160
that drive.

1236
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,160
Yeah.

1237
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,160
It's going to have small screws, small Phillips head screws in it.

1238
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,160
Yeah.

1239
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,160
Of course.

1240
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,160
Oh yeah.

1241
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,160
And in this, well, I think more of my, I think these ones are tool lists, but definitely

1242
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,160
you might Dell.

1243
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,160
There is.

1244
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,160
Yeah.

1245
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,160
The screws holding those in in the sleds.

1246
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,160
Yeah.

1247
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,160
Okay.

1248
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,160
Jailings.

1249
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,160
How about that?

1250
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,160
Yeah.

1251
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Shilty, tell us about the fetch AI one.

1252
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,160
Was it you were talking about that?

1253
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,160
I don't know.

1254
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,160
Not on touch.

1255
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,160
I just took a bit of that.

1256
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,160
I think at the time, because cycling events so far, which was a 75,000 or cycle event,

1257
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:34,160
this is a two stone.

1258
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,160
Oh, it was $2,000.

1259
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,160
Yeah.

1260
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,160
So.

1261
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,160
Switch back.

1262
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,160
Let's fucking go.

1263
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,160
I was just looking for it.

1264
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,160
Switch back to the mic.

1265
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,160
I really haven't been miserable than that.

1266
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,160
Yeah.

1267
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,160
Whatever mic you were just using was all choppy.

1268
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,160
So headphones.

1269
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,160
It is.

1270
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,160
You need to buy a cable to.

1271
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,160
I actually ordered the cable as we were here.

1272
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,160
That's right.

1273
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,160
This one sound all right.

1274
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,160
At least.

1275
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,160
Yeah.

1276
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,160
It's good enough.

1277
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,160
Sure.

1278
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,160
Perfect.

1279
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,160
Maybe just turn it up a little.

1280
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:09,160
You can get awarded between the memes.

1281
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,160
Yeah.

1282
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Yeah.

1283
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,160
So that was on fetch.

1284
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,160
Can you just turn it up a little bit?

1285
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,160
She'll see.

1286
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,160
Turn it up.

1287
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,160
I got you.

1288
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,160
Keep going.

1289
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,160
Thank you.

1290
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,160
Perfect.

1291
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,160
Yeah.

1292
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,160
So fetch.

1293
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,160
And as far as I know, he hasn't put out any statement.

1294
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,160
The validator hasn't put out any statement about like doing refunds or anything.

1295
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,160
It's just like it happened.

1296
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,160
And then, you know, that meme of Homer kind of entering the bush.

1297
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,160
That's what it seems like it went.

1298
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:40,160
That's like, is it, is he like a single network validator type situation?

1299
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:45,160
I don't recognize the name, but fetch has a lot of validators that I don't recognize.

1300
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,160
So.

1301
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,160
Yeah.

1302
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,160
I think that's like the move for the, like the single network validators who don't

1303
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:55,160
really have too much of a brand, which is kind of done if they, they tombstone anywhere.

1304
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,160
And then it's like, see a bro.

1305
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,160
And then there's like another validator just appears.

1306
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,160
There's no website or anything.

1307
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,160
So I'm guessing that's what happened.

1308
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,160
Yeah.

1309
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,160
So was there, so there's no, no response to that or anything else right?

1310
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,160
There wasn't like a, oh shit, we moved the server and something happened.

1311
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,160
Not that I've seen no response that I've seen.

1312
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,160
And what was the dollar amount?

1313
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,160
$75,000.

1314
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,160
Wow.

1315
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,160
Pretty significant.

1316
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,160
Especially in this market.

1317
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,160
That's like, seriously.

1318
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:30,160
Given, isn't that like half of the TVL in the holocaust most?

1319
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,160
What is that?

1320
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:32,160
What's the fetch?

1321
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,160
Seriously.

1322
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,160
What's the fetch?

1323
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,160
Um, is that 1% or 10% or what was the, uh, let's see.

1324
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,160
It was a slash there.

1325
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,160
Pretty significant again.

1326
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,160
Was this, was this like a top 20 value or something?

1327
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,160
I think it was.

1328
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,160
Yeah.

1329
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,160
Well, poor went out for the homies.

1330
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,160
That's right.

1331
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,160
Um, what was that?

1332
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,160
Oh, we don't know what that name was.

1333
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,160
Oh yeah.

1334
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,160
Oh, I can put the name.

1335
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,160
Hold on.

1336
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,160
Oh, so I just read, so I just re delegated 13, 13 fetch to them 10 hours ago.

1337
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,160
Oh, nice.

1338
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,160
Yeah.

1339
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,160
Nice.

1340
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,160
You know, they obviously, and, uh, what's the fucking thing I'm thinking of?

1341
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,160
It's this, the Soviet, the Soviet military doctrine, isn't it?

1342
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,160
Never reinforced defeat.

1343
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,160
That person doesn't, doesn't agree with that.

1344
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,160
They're like, I fancy much answers.

1345
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:30,160
They have, uh, let's see, they have, uh, about $6,000 stake themselves.

1346
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,160
Not too much.

1347
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:37,160
I do see the send command and then I see an unjail failed and then realization hits.

1348
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:43,160
And then 10 minutes after that, they sent out some, some, uh, some tokens away from the

1349
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,160
val. So yeah, I'm thinking they're probably delegating all this stuff.

1350
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,160
And then there's a bunch of edit validators immediately.

1351
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,160
Uh-huh.

1352
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,160
Yeah.

1353
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,160
To their credit, at least they put like, please re delegate and everything else on the, on

1354
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,160
the name, like, you know, something associated.

1355
00:53:55,160 --> 00:54:00,160
So when somebody does a restake, you would hope that they would see that, but well,

1356
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:06,160
you know, it looks like they did do a multi send, but it, it's very clearly not for the

1357
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,160
amount that was slashed.

1358
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,160
Looks like they sent 10.

1359
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,160
Yeah.

1360
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,160
Not a whole lot.

1361
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,160
I see 10.

1362
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,160
Yeah.

1363
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,160
Yeah.

1364
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,160
I see 10 to one delegator.

1365
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,160
It looks like.

1366
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,160
No, no, there's more than that.

1367
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,160
Oh, there's a st, there's a stake drop.

1368
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,160
Oh Christ.

1369
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:29,160
So that means this guy was running promotions to get more delegators and then he was a meat.

1370
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,160
He immediately got tombstone.

1371
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,160
This happened before the actual tombstone.

1372
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,160
Oh dang.

1373
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,160
Oh wait.

1374
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,160
Oh, I'm looking, oh, you're right.

1375
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,160
I'm looking at it on jail.

1376
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,160
It's not the, they ran it multiple times.

1377
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,160
It looks like too funny.

1378
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,160
Oh well.

1379
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:53,160
So there was another tombstone on dydx second tombstone.

1380
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,160
One of the higher ranked validators at the time as well.

1381
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,160
So.

1382
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,160
Yeah.

1383
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,160
I was looking for it again.

1384
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,160
Good.

1385
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,160
Actually, we need to petition.

1386
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,160
We haven't done it.

1387
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,160
I mean, we put a shortcut to that.

1388
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,160
We can do it all day because we haven't done this.

1389
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,160
We haven't done that video in like a while.

1390
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,160
So I'm happy to splice those in who was on who was it on the dydx.

1391
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,160
Tane.

1392
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,160
Tane.

1393
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,160
Yeah.

1394
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,160
Tane.

1395
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:22,160
Yeah.

1396
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,160
Well, it is.

1397
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,160
They're Japanese, I think so.

1398
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,160
So you have these Tane.

1399
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,160
Yeah.

1400
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,160
Tell us about Tane.

1401
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,160
Yeah, but you know, just a mistake, I guess.

1402
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,160
Well, they're migrating servers.

1403
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:44,160
I think that the dydx devs might have done operators and injustice during the test net by having

1404
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,160
tombstone turned off during the test net phase.

1405
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,160
So I think people may think they can do things that they can't do.

1406
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,160
So.

1407
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,160
So they could, you can disable the double sign.

1408
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,160
I understand that you can't, I mean, I understand that you can, you know, they didn't get slash

1409
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,160
training here, right?

1410
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,160
Just tombstone.

1411
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,160
They actually disabled the ability to double sign so they had nothing associated to that.

1412
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,160
Yeah, you can double.

1413
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,160
Yeah, it was well.

1414
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,160
Yeah.

1415
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,160
I know pop up in the logs that the Byzantine attempt has been made, whatever.

1416
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,160
Yeah.

1417
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,160
But you don't get jailed.

1418
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,160
You don't get slash forward or anything.

1419
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,160
Really?

1420
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,160
I had no idea.

1421
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,660
That's interesting.

1422
00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:20,660
So it just ignores it completely.

1423
00:56:20,660 --> 00:56:22,960
Like you just sit there and whatever, right?

1424
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,160
Multiple nodes all signing same time.

1425
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,160
Blah, blah, blah.

1426
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,160
Yeah, I did it.

1427
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,160
I remember you saying you did it.

1428
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,160
Yeah.

1429
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,160
Yeah.

1430
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,160
Yeah.

1431
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,160
I did it by accident, but I did it.

1432
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:40,160
I called the dev and I'm like, uh, double sign doesn't work on this network.

1433
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,160
Like I, I was testing.

1434
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:49,160
I was testing some shit and I was testing your double sign.

1435
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:54,160
Moving servers around with a callous disregard for security.

1436
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,160
Boy, you'll be boys, right?

1437
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,160
Boy, you'll be boys.

1438
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,160
Oh my goodness.

1439
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:07,160
But, uh, but yeah, and then they're like, yeah, no, it's a, let's turn that off.

1440
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,160
I'm like, huh, who's shit?

1441
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:17,160
Put in some PRs around the fucking customers.

1442
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:25,160
Um, so I guess other notable slashings, not, not necessarily not, um, tomb stoning, but

1443
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:34,160
uh, slashings on injective couple of larger slashings in the last week or two.

1444
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:43,160
But, uh, just yesterday, Binance, uh, got a Peggy slashing, which was roughly equivalent

1445
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:52,160
to around a hundred grand, uh, about 4,200 injective slashed, which is, that's a fucking

1446
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,160
kick in the nuts.

1447
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,160
What do you think they do with that?

1448
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,160
Cause that, I don't think they do anything.

1449
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,160
I think they go, I'm going to spool it back up and call it good.

1450
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,160
Like, yeah, like it's custodial, right?

1451
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,160
So it's not a problem until everyone withdraws their INJ.

1452
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,160
But, but they're still responsible for an APR, right?

1453
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,160
So they just pull it out of the APR because the number is lower.

1454
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:17,160
Well, the APR is already less because they take it out of the profit, right?

1455
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,160
So they just stake less.

1456
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,160
I mean, they take less profit.

1457
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:27,160
Yeah, I think they hedge their own risk against you not making as much money as the stakes.

1458
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,160
Right.

1459
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,160
Like, like, crack, and I think offers you like 5% on, I can't remember.

1460
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:37,160
Like, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's a substantial margin between what the network

1461
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,160
offers and what they offer you.

1462
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,160
Right.

1463
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,160
That's pretty appalling.

1464
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,160
That's great.

1465
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:43,160
That's crazy.

1466
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:44,160
That's great.

1467
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:45,160
So they make sense.

1468
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,160
No, they're regulating, man.

1469
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,160
Already, whoa.

1470
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:53,160
Some, some of them regulated have to do is like taking some of this, you know, more

1471
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:54,160
right.

1472
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,160
I mean, they pull profit.

1473
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,160
So, so basically that's all synthetic, right?

1474
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:01,160
They're just doing synthetic distributions back to those quote unquote, those stakeholders,

1475
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,160
right?

1476
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,160
Yeah, they pull that out.

1477
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,160
So they get slash 10% that they basically pull that out of their margin.

1478
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,160
I wonder if they pass that along.

1479
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,160
I wonder if they do something within that.

1480
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:10,160
No, they wouldn't.

1481
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,160
You think it would just lower the amount.

1482
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,160
Why wouldn't they just lower the amount?

1483
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,160
They're in control of what amount goes back to the staker, right?

1484
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:22,160
So, yeah, but I'm sure like on their website, that would have something like stake INJ for

1485
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,160
5% fucking woohoo.

1486
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,160
I mean, 4.9%.

1487
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:31,160
Yeah, but then like, you know, over time, they can just absorb that anyway.

1488
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,160
It doesn't matter.

1489
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,160
So, yeah, that's interesting.

1490
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,160
They're already taking half of the profits.

1491
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,160
I mean, 100,000 for them is nothing.

1492
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:37,160
So it's not a big deal.

1493
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,320
But yeah, well, someone was at Ushilse pointed out to me that they just like walked off at

1494
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,160
fucking four billion.

1495
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,160
So, why?

1496
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,160
Well, they find a full billion.

1497
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,160
Oh, yeah.

1498
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,160
Okay.

1499
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,160
Yeah.

1500
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,160
For the SEC and they're just like, we're good.

1501
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,160
Yeah, that's it.

1502
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,160
We're financially stable.

1503
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,160
Only four.

1504
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,160
Did you say four?

1505
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,160
Wait, was that a B or T?

1506
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,160
Oh, B. Good.

1507
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:00,160
Okay.

1508
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,160
Yeah.

1509
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,160
All good.

1510
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,160
No problem.

1511
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,160
Probably going to have to sell some shit.

1512
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,160
I should do something here.

1513
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,160
All right.

1514
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,160
It's all good.

1515
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:09,160
That's okay.

1516
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,160
Let me go get my purse.

1517
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,160
A 20 is okay.

1518
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,160
You bring it back with you?

1519
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,160
Yeah.

1520
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,160
Is there a truck out back?

1521
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,160
Or like, how are we going to do this?

1522
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,160
There was another one too, wasn't there?

1523
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,160
Or do we do them all?

1524
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,160
Yeah.

1525
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,160
What the fuck?

1526
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,160
Was there another tube stone this week?

1527
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,160
Ben Davis says wait.

1528
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,160
No, was Null slashed recently.

1529
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,160
Did I just have a head break?

1530
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,160
Yeah, I was.

1531
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,160
Did it just rain on Null?

1532
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,160
Thank you.

1533
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,160
Yeah, I got slashed for that.

1534
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:46,160
Yes.

1535
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,160
It's stormy.

1536
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,160
What the fuck?

1537
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:55,160
Some advanced podcast shit going on here.

1538
01:00:55,160 --> 01:01:01,160
For those listening later on podcast players, I have literally no idea what's going on there.

1539
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:07,160
What's really good is that when somebody's tube stones, you can also do like, there we go.

1540
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,160
Let's celebrate, baby.

1541
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,160
Who tunes them today?

1542
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,160
It'd be more of a celebration, right?

1543
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,160
Oh wait, that was the wrong one.

1544
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,160
I meant this one.

1545
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,160
Yeah, there you go.

1546
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,160
There you go.

1547
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:35,160
So anyway, on my slash on Koogee, if anybody knows of like a Koogee archive so I can do a slash refund, that'd be great.

1548
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:49,160
We had the unbind Koogee to like have it there to give back to people, but in hindsight, I should have bought some because I didn't realize that the data would be unavailable to be able to do the refund.

1549
01:01:49,160 --> 01:02:06,160
So, Schiltzi has supplied a very beautiful script that I've in hindsight could have run back then to get the Schiltzi like to do the transaction, right?

1550
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,160
Yeah, you can build them all out and then broadcast them later for sure.

1551
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:19,160
So I do think though that when you do an offline transaction, there's like a time in there, but I guess you could just change that manually before you sign it or whatever.

1552
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:26,160
Well, it couldn't change it manually because it would be already a signature too, so you couldn't really change it.

1553
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:37,160
But what the script does actually is creates a JSON file which is before you sign, just like as an upload, but you could create those JSON files and then sign them and then send them.

1554
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,160
So that would have worked fine.

1555
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,160
Yeah, well, I should have done that.

1556
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,160
Where's the heads up, man?

1557
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:51,160
Sorry, I thought that that would have just like done it all and sent it, but I guess that's probably good that it doesn't in case you fuck it up.

1558
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,160
So give you a chance to check it.

1559
01:02:53,160 --> 01:03:01,160
Yeah, it's so that you can do dry runs where you just kind of go all the way to this, like except the last step where it actually sends it out.

1560
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,160
That was a good Tombstone run.

1561
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,160
I enjoy a good slash.

1562
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:15,160
I gotta say, you know, here's what I'll say about the one you actually flash just somebody else that tells you the Peggy slashes on injective.

1563
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,160
You'll get daily alerts.

1564
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,160
I always say really that many.

1565
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,160
Yeah, well, I added it up yesterday.

1566
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:29,160
So far this month has been 170 grand in Peggy slashings on injective and like this.

1567
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,160
A lot of them are like, you know, good operators to I mean to be honest, and that Pego thing is useless.

1568
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,160
That Pego thing is useless, right?

1569
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:41,160
Like it's a completely distributed system that doesn't require that much structure around it where that much loss has to happen.

1570
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,160
Like is that actually is that number one?

1571
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,160
Is that slashing in the control of the operator at a level?

1572
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,160
And number two, is it worthwhile losing that much funds based on the outcome?

1573
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,160
Is it in control?

1574
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,160
Yes, but like the software takes a lot of babysitting.

1575
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,160
I've heard, I don't run it so I can say this.

1576
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,160
It's a piece of shit.

1577
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:07,160
And so when it's a piece of shit that a lot of times it's not just based on operator competence.

1578
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:15,160
It's a series of black magic bullshit to get actually to do it what you want and the config changes and it's not communicated well.

1579
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:21,160
And so you have to be on top of it, but it's not being on top of it because it's well communicates on top of it because it's like it always breaks.

1580
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,160
And it's just you got to know what the hell you're doing with it.

1581
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:29,160
You have to describe most of crypto mind you like just random things configured with random things and oh yeah.

1582
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,160
But this is on the edge of timing or blockchain.

1583
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,160
Like it's just like anyway, go ahead.

1584
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,160
Yeah, I don't know.

1585
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:43,160
Like two years ago, like the amount of random changes you had to make in the Tom all files and whatnot where it was like, oh yeah.

1586
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:49,160
And you've got to remember that if you put blah, blah, blah in blah, blah, blah section, it will of course blow up and you will double sign.

1587
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:57,160
But you know, if you put a white space or empty string, it will just truck on fucking no worries boys, be boys like.

1588
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,160
Hold on, let me interject just a little bit.

1589
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,160
Don't forget about capitalizing upgrade names for Cosmovisor, which breaks the upgrade.

1590
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:07,160
That one just happened again or space.

1591
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,160
Yeah.

1592
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,160
This is the version space space space space space.

1593
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,160
Yeah.

1594
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:21,160
Hey, what were we talking about before you guys just went off on a fucking tangent.

1595
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,160
I was I was bitching about.

1596
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:29,160
So yeah, Pego is not hard to run itself.

1597
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,160
It is just it fails under a lot like a lot of different circumstances.

1598
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:37,160
But the blank it fails like say price feeder.

1599
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:41,160
It's a good example to like price feeders, the Umi price feeder and that structure is also similar to that.

1600
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,160
I think it was more reliable.

1601
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,160
Oh, that's that's that's that's that's something.

1602
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:55,160
So Pego like if you, for example, if it loses contact with your g RPC for a split second, it seems to like hang.

1603
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,160
Yeah.

1604
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,160
And just random stuff like that.

1605
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:11,160
It doesn't like give you logs that make a lot of sense in some cases, like if you run out of gas token, it doesn't really tell you anything like that.

1606
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:19,160
Right. What it tells you is that there are no transactions to be found on Ethereum if you run out of gas, which is helpful.

1607
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,160
That's helpful.

1608
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,160
Ethereum is just dead.

1609
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,160
We use that shit.

1610
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,160
I'm sure you get confused with that.

1611
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,160
Yeah.

1612
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:33,160
So it's, you know, it's when you when people get errors, they're like, what is this?

1613
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,160
And you're like, have you checked this?

1614
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,160
Have you checked that?

1615
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,160
Because the errors make no fucking sense in a lot of cases.

1616
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,160
Right. Right.

1617
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:47,160
Yeah. But I mean, the main things are for Pego is that your g RPC is working.

1618
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:56,160
And if it is restart your thing, and if it's it might start working again, if it doesn't check if you've got gas, if that's the case, and it's still not working.

1619
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:00,160
And it was before like, I don't know what's wrong with it.

1620
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:08,160
Does does is there a contract where Kajira repays you guys for gas associated to those Pego transactions or no?

1621
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,160
No, Jira. Injective.

1622
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,160
I'm sorry. Injective.

1623
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,160
So there's nothing there related to like, what do you call it?

1624
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,160
It's pretty cheap. Like it doesn't use a lot of gas.

1625
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,160
Okay.

1626
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,160
Okay. Well, I feel excited.

1627
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:27,160
So you just did that back to front. You've muted yourself, said something, and then like unmuted yourself.

1628
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,160
Hey, you're right. I did. Didn't I?

1629
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,160
So I mean, my clicking was probably making noises.

1630
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:40,160
Yeah. So no, like, if you fund it with one injective, that's going to last you like probably a month.

1631
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:46,160
But I mean, just put 10 or 20, like, it's better to not run out of gas.

1632
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:56,160
And monitoring it is, you know, it doesn't it seems like people aren't effectively monitoring it, but it's not that difficult.

1633
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:01,160
There are a lot of different parameters that you can monitor and a lot of them don't matter.

1634
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:11,160
The only ones you need to know is if you're on the latest Nouns, and if you're not how far behind you are, or how long since you did your last Nouns.

1635
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,160
The only thing that matters is how long since your last Nouns. I talked to the team about it.

1636
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:24,160
So there's very little information about how you can be slashed on it. The only thing that matters, the only thing that matters in bold underline is if your Nouns is increasing over time.

1637
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,160
It doesn't matter how far behind you are. It doesn't matter anything.

1638
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,160
You're asking if you're increasing over time.

1639
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,160
So I think it's about 5,000 blocks.

1640
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:32,160
Correct. Yep.

1641
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,160
So I did notice that six hours for the record.

1642
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,160
Oh, yeah, six to seven hours.

1643
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:46,160
So I did notice that auto steak has an enormous Nouns lag.

1644
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,160
And I don't think it increases at all.

1645
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:53,160
I think they just haven't fixed it after.

1646
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,160
Do you remember a while ago there was a Nouns problem?

1647
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:03,160
And then they fixed it. And I think since they fixed it, I'm not sure that they've done anything to fix their Pego.

1648
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:07,160
And I think they haven't incremented since that issue.

1649
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:14,160
And I think they might be like in a little box of not mattering.

1650
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:15,160
Does that make sense?

1651
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,160
I think all Nouns is in the same state. Yeah.

1652
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,160
Because they're missing like 12,000 or something.

1653
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,160
Not auto steak. All Nouns. Yeah.

1654
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,160
Gotcha. Yeah.

1655
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:31,160
So I think if they never do a Pego transaction again, they will be in their nice little box of never being able to be slashed.

1656
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:35,160
I mean, honestly, at all times we all feel like we're in a box of not mattering, right?

1657
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:36,160
Yeah.

1658
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:37,160
Or is it just me?

1659
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:48,160
So I wonder if they actually leave the like if they get knocked out of the VAL set, for example, and then come back in if it will then fix that.

1660
01:09:48,160 --> 01:10:00,160
So there is one poor validator that just gets slashed all the time for Pego because they're right like they Tita totter in and out of the the because you've only got six hours, right?

1661
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:07,160
And so when someone gets jailed, they always get promoted and then they get jailed.

1662
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:16,160
If that makes sense because they seriously that's because you have to restart Pego once you get in the the the active set, right?

1663
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:20,160
Because it just it doesn't process transactions out of it.

1664
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,160
And once you get in the set, you have to restart it to make it work.

1665
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:27,160
And then so they keep getting promoted and jailed, promoted and jailed, promoted and jailed.

1666
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,160
I've seen it probably 20 times.

1667
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:30,160
That poor schmuck.

1668
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:40,160
One of those situations where obviously foundation engineers, everybody doesn't give a fuck about that particular situation, that particular edge case.

1669
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:47,160
And like a lot of people would be like, well, you know, economic incentives go into play here.

1670
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,160
They could just work out a way of monitoring and restarting it.

1671
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,160
It's like, yeah, maybe in a bull market.

1672
01:10:53,160 --> 01:11:04,160
I mean, you could write a script in 10 minutes to like detect that it's not doing anything and restart it or just run Krontab, which is what we do.

1673
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:05,160
Krontab every hour.

1674
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:09,160
Just listen, just every booted every hour.

1675
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,160
Have you tried turning it off and turning it on again?

1676
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,160
Yes, 24 times a day.

1677
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:14,160
Exactly.

1678
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:18,160
It was every two hours and that wasn't enough.

1679
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,160
Because then no one was getting alarms.

1680
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,160
That's very much.

1681
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,160
I monitor like a couple of people's pegos who I care about.

1682
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:34,160
And she'll see is like one of said people that I monitor for just as a backstop in case there's something wrong with his monitoring at some point.

1683
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:45,160
And I had to change my monitoring template just to account for his fucking teeter tottering over the like catching up and lagging and catching up and lagging.

1684
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,160
We're doing all the best practices.

1685
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,160
It just stops.

1686
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,160
I don't know.

1687
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:52,160
Whatever works, right?

1688
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:58,160
She'll see like that that hour that it restarts on is like enough to get five plus behind.

1689
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:04,160
So I was like, this is kind of annoying waking me up at two o'clock in the morning for sure.

1690
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,160
She'll see second.

1691
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:07,160
So I increased it to 20.

1692
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:11,160
And then like half an hour later, I'm getting alerted again.

1693
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,160
I'm like 40.

1694
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:20,160
I'm like, yeah, I'm sure like there's more than 40 in seven hours or six hours.

1695
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:21,160
It should be fine.

1696
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:25,160
But well, it's all about how many bridges are brought in, right?

1697
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:29,160
So like what I'm doing is I'm calculating the slope of the nonce over time.

1698
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:33,160
And if it's not increasing, given a certain amount of slope, then I don't alert.

1699
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:34,160
So I'm like, yeah.

1700
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,160
And then once it breaks over a certain point, it'll start alerting.

1701
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,160
Oh my goodness.

1702
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:40,160
It is.

1703
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,160
It's pretty like.

1704
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,160
Blockchain people.

1705
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:54,160
This is the future we're building ever since like ever since our babies first bash script a little while ago.

1706
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:58,160
I'm just like, that's great.

1707
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,160
You're you're you're at a dangerous spot.

1708
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:02,160
You are you are.

1709
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:10,160
I hope that when your bash script finally bites you, it is on a situation that is easily recoverable and not financially risky.

1710
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,160
My my bash scripts all report.

1711
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:23,160
They like all talk back to the little reporter if they don't check in or if there's an error, they get what I really am talking about is the fact that obviously it's

1712
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:29,160
bash, which is specifically bash script rather than a shell script for some other shell.

1713
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:30,160
Right.

1714
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:40,160
It's not a reliable but the notorious reliability and lack of edge cases in the bash language and runtime.

1715
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:45,160
Kind of a right of passage to get fucked raw by bash at some point.

1716
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:46,160
Disagree.

1717
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:50,160
Are you suggesting that we should be doing ZSH scripts?

1718
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,160
You said we just like disagree.

1719
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,160
Sorry, you said have you never been stung by a bash script in your career?

1720
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:57,160
Not my nulls.

1721
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:58,160
Yeah.

1722
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:08,160
It's the most reliable thing that exists in life is bash script crown jobs.

1723
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,160
There's nothing more.

1724
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:10,160
Everything else is just.

1725
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:14,160
Yeah, I'm not talking about like do you mean like like one job?

1726
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:22,160
I'm talking about like the stuff that we have a heart that goes through our nodes on a crown job.

1727
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,160
Obviously that's not going to fail.

1728
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,160
It's a three line bash script that says curl some stuff.

1729
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:33,160
But I mean as soon as you try and do a bash script that does some stuff.

1730
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,160
My bash scripts do some stuff.

1731
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:36,160
It calls some stuff.

1732
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:37,160
It jcs some stuff.

1733
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,160
It wrangles a bit of data.

1734
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,160
It maybe writes via CLI to something.

1735
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,160
Yeah, then you're going to get fucked.

1736
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,160
You can do error handling though.

1737
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:46,160
So it's not so much error.

1738
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:50,160
It's sometimes sometimes nulls point like we I write same thing as he does.

1739
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,160
Like we write it where it kicks out to something to say, Hey, I started.

1740
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:54,160
Hey, I stopped it.

1741
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,160
If that thing fails and you know that it failed, that's that's one thing.

1742
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:03,160
But friend of the show friend of the show whisper nodes, which I think Brendan might be in that in the chat still.

1743
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,160
I know like I know that they got caught up in something that happened.

1744
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:11,160
If I remember like a few months ago where they had a bash script that run that ran so good that they forgot that it was running.

1745
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,160
And the fact that it ran fucked something else up right now.

1746
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,160
That now that's a good situation.

1747
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:22,160
It's so fucking reliable that it fucks you up down the road.

1748
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:23,160
I could totally see that happening.

1749
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:24,160
I think that's what you're talking about.

1750
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:25,160
Yeah.

1751
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:26,160
Yeah.

1752
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:27,160
I remember what it was though.

1753
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,160
I remember that it was ghost.

1754
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:33,160
It was like something where they I forget what it was, but it was like restarting a node based on some sort of structure similar to what Schultz is one hour thing.

1755
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:37,160
But that screwed them up because it wasn't like it didn't hurt any making harm or something.

1756
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:41,160
But it was like something that like the node wouldn't catch up or something was goofy and they couldn't figure out why.

1757
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:47,160
And they realized it was like a crown job running from from like 1984 that was still going and like executing the way it should have.

1758
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,160
And so it was.

1759
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:54,160
Well, that's also why one of the most famous tombstones happened of what is it?

1760
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:55,160
Notice.

1761
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:56,160
Yes.

1762
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,160
Ten tombstones all together.

1763
01:15:58,160 --> 01:15:59,160
That's right.

1764
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:06,160
Because he was taking snapshots using his validator and he migrated off and then his snapshots kicked on and turned on his nodes.

1765
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:07,160
That's right.

1766
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,160
And then that's right.

1767
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,160
Or it was it was never is another one that moved it to Horcrux.

1768
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:16,160
But then they had a crown job to reboot the node every 24 hours.

1769
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:20,160
And so the original node that they turned off still had the keys on it.

1770
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:25,160
And so at the at the 24 hour market re kicked off and it just double signed like right away.

1771
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,160
Yeah.

1772
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,160
Fucking beautiful.

1773
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:35,160
Restart scripts or restart scripts or well, I would say don't script anything on a validator like.

1774
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,160
It's pretty like.

1775
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,160
Yeah, we don't.

1776
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,160
Yeah, I don't think we're getting pretty ballsy.

1777
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:41,160
I don't think we do.

1778
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,160
I mean, we clear wasm caches and reboot and restarts and stuff like that.

1779
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:46,160
But that's pretty much it.

1780
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,160
I don't think we do anything else like to be fair.

1781
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:53,160
Any of that kind of stuff we do manually or we do our answer ball because it just has to.

1782
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,160
Well, Ansible, you can get all sorts of different.

1783
01:16:55,160 --> 01:17:01,160
Let me be like, but like, you know, I've gotten to the situation before where we've nuked to production.

1784
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:11,160
Like, I think one of the work that I think the the spiciest bash fuck up was the error handling on a large scale, very popular database.

1785
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:25,160
This was very much nearly 10 years ago in a certain edge case when it aired out while flushing to disk, it did not return the expected Unix error code.

1786
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:32,160
It returned some other fucking code, which meant that you couldn't rely on the error handling in your bash script.

1787
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:41,160
And so what happened essentially was it just didn't it basically hung infinitely in while dumping a backup.

1788
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:48,160
But while the backup should have been pretty quick, like five seconds or something, right?

1789
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,160
So it was something like it hung.

1790
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:58,160
So there was a switcheroo that happened if one was down, but it wasn't down, it was just hung and the error code never returned an error.

1791
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:07,160
So the other the it didn't go, oh, HA over to the one that was is live the B copy, the A is down.

1792
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:12,160
It just went, oh, at the moment, the A is just doing a routine thing.

1793
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,160
Maybe it's garbage collecting, I'm sure it'll only take a second or two.

1794
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:21,160
But, you know, if it doesn't send out an error code, then it's probably fine.

1795
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:29,160
And there's no additional check in line in a bash script to be like, oh, I'll just sleep 10 and see if the thing happened because obviously not it's still hung on the first thing.

1796
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,160
And so the production database was just locked up.

1797
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,160
There's just an image like what the fuck?

1798
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,160
Why is this why is this endpoint not returning?

1799
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,160
Why is this entire site and system down?

1800
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:45,160
And then we had to just like SSH onto a bunch of boxes and just be like, the B copies fine.

1801
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,160
Why is the B copy not running?

1802
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:48,160
What the fuck?

1803
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:53,160
And then eventually you find this hanging cron job, which like, you know, some PID has been running for 18 hours.

1804
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,160
You're like, hmm, days.

1805
01:18:55,160 --> 01:19:00,160
Yeah, something has gone badly wrong with this with this database backup.

1806
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:05,160
And for some reason, no further action has been taken by anything.

1807
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:12,160
Yeah, but it wasn't the end of the world because it was only open data and nobody ever fucking looks at that half the time.

1808
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:17,160
So brutally honest.

1809
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,160
Yeah.

1810
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,160
If you're a government, right?

1811
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,160
If you're a government, you want to hide it.

1812
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:29,160
If you're a government, you could have fucking taken care of it.

1813
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:36,160
If you're a government and you want to hide some stuff, right, you don't want people to know about the best way you can do it is publish it as open data.

1814
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:40,160
It's a loan bash.

1815
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:45,160
Just dash if you put it on the internet and trust that nobody will ever bother to fucking look it up.

1816
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,160
Bash dash if a life baby.

1817
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,160
Oh, that's so funny.

1818
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,160
You'll get fucked one day.

1819
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:52,160
Yeah, you will.

1820
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:53,160
Yeah, that's okay.

1821
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,160
But it'll be non-critical.

1822
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,160
Yeah, you'll be fine.

1823
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,160
Well, we run archives too.

1824
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,160
We have so many, like our scripts are so fucking, it's gonna play a thing.

1825
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:07,160
It's a delicate balance of trying to get these things snapshot and get them off and make sure we're not saving.

1826
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:12,160
I think the thing we do is like deleting ZFS snapshots with the script.

1827
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,160
Yeah, same with ours.

1828
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,160
Yeah, because that seems to work pretty good.

1829
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,160
Yeah, when it works.

1830
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,160
Yeah.

1831
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,160
You're just looking.

1832
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:28,160
Yeah, I don't know.

1833
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,160
I think they were pretty reliable to be honest.

1834
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,160
It's pretty repeatable seems to be.

1835
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:35,160
Oh, definitely reliable.

1836
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:36,160
That's what you're just saying.

1837
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,160
It's like sometimes it can be a little bit too reliable.

1838
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:39,160
Yeah.

1839
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:40,160
But yeah.

1840
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:45,160
How's your ALEO been going?

1841
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,160
Our ALEO.

1842
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:48,160
ALEO.

1843
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,160
ALEO.

1844
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:57,160
I see a lot of talk about the issues associated to those nodes halting.

1845
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:02,160
Ours also gives up the ghost every 12 hours or less and all that kind of stuff.

1846
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:06,160
So I'm using your BAScript to identify if it's moving.

1847
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,160
If not, it's restarting and that is helping.

1848
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:13,160
It is keeping it up on point and it is staying at the head.

1849
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,160
So it's doing pretty well.

1850
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:19,160
It doesn't report block height very regularly.

1851
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:24,160
My graphs look like shit, but it is actually keeping up in the last 10 hours.

1852
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:25,160
Actually, I've been pretty solid.

1853
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,160
So I don't know if something's changing with that as well.

1854
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:28,160
I haven't rebuilt that.

1855
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:34,160
I mean, I'm just pulling off the latest commit on that branch.

1856
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,160
And hopefully, you know, so I do see some changes in there.

1857
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:43,160
I do hope that this will get solved and we can move on to something more pressing than this issue.

1858
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,160
You guys need to share your Zabix config for it.

1859
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,160
I want to see I want your template.

1860
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:49,160
Sure, man.

1861
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:50,160
Do you use Zabix?

1862
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:51,160
Yeah.

1863
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,160
Yeah, I use Zabix for most most monitoring.

1864
01:21:53,160 --> 01:22:01,160
So like I use Zabix for monitoring most like server infrastructure and then Grafana Prometheus for like specific things generally.

1865
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:06,160
So normally I would use Grafana Prometheus for Alio, but if you guys already have a template, then I do.

1866
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,160
Yeah.

1867
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:11,160
Hey, man, we'll we'll bring you bring you the private repo.

1868
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,160
Bring you into the fold.

1869
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:14,160
What?

1870
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:15,160
Yeah, there's a private.

1871
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:16,160
Oh my gosh.

1872
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:17,160
There is, of course.

1873
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,160
I didn't know that you were a Zabix man.

1874
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:25,160
Yeah, I'm Zabix all the time and no one charms in and is like, yeah, man.

1875
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:26,160
I know he sucked.

1876
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:27,160
He sucked me.

1877
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:28,160
Well, that's weird.

1878
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,160
He pulled me into the.

1879
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:34,160
What I was pulling in what I've been doing is similar to you.

1880
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,160
I like all my all my alerting.

1881
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:37,160
I'm trying to get into Zabix.

1882
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:38,160
I'm trying to get everything into Zabix.

1883
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,160
I still have a bunch of stuff that's still in then and Grafana.

1884
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:46,160
So I'm trying to use Grafana for metrics and Zabix for notifications is kind of my goal.

1885
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,160
Grafana alerting is dog.

1886
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,160
I just don't trust it.

1887
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,160
And like it's either too much or too little.

1888
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:58,160
And like I just really struggle and some of it works really well, you know, like, like, you know, say price feeders and shit like that.

1889
01:22:58,160 --> 01:22:59,160
Like those are still fine.

1890
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,160
But, but I am trying to move everything into Zabix that way.

1891
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:07,160
And then that allows me to monitor, like, you know, just all the other stuff like Docker and smart D and like everything else on the.

1892
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:10,160
Because we track a bunch of hardware shit and everything else.

1893
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,160
But yeah, I'm starting to do that more and more.

1894
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:21,160
I just actually added 40 frickin L one and L two nodes on the Ethereum side for all our shit there to which is such a pain in the ass.

1895
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:30,160
So my shield team, my game plan was start using Zabix, get some MVP templates on it,

1896
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:38,160
shill it to the gang until they start using it and do vastly better shit than me to be able to get back off them.