Like there's plenty of chains out there that do not show this VP issue getting better over time.
Yeah. Well, they're going to lose.
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Yes, we do actually listen to podcasts.
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So yeah, it's been a tiring week, I think.
Just we've, I guess, for those of us doing the Aptos thing,
we've been doing a stress network, which has been all fun and games.
Frustrating.
Yeah. OK, so I'll clarify, all fun and games is we've been running very,
very high performance hardware and ostensibly,
it hasn't actually been helping benchmarking higher numbers.
But I think that was because there was some kind of a configuration issue,
which is now maybe resolved.
We've seen some higher numbers in the last day.
We have also seen weird hardware failures.
I mean, I guess that's the point of doing preview networks, right?
It is. Yeah, I think this this suffers, seems to me, a lot more under stress
than we did in preview one preview.
One definitely definitely seemed to be more about the Validator Network.
Like right now, our alpha Validator, which is in Europe is out.
It just caught a huge bunch of bunch of props and failed or failed props.
And now it's not signing and as we speak, so that we're at, I think,
since it's 5000, 5000 TPS a second, which is really our TPS,
which is really nothing.
And then our other one, which is in Utah is still signing.
Had a couple error.
I mean, it's it's picking up proposal error.
So there's a lot more fucking reliance on the full nodes.
And like, there's a lot of, you know, they're doing a database sharding
and there's like, there's a lot of changes happening at once.
And as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with, I don't know, I can't tell.
Like I'm so tired.
I was actually so like physically exhausted from trying to troubleshoot
this and trying to figure out what what the actual issue is.
And if it's our issue or if it's just like goofy stuff, but we're running
incredibly expensive and capable hardware that's that I think is doing
worse than the first preview, which is really frustrating.
Yeah, it's bizarre.
Our VFN died, I don't know, half an hour now.
And all it was like, was like, hey, you're we're not picking up blocks anymore.
So we're toast.
And that's basically all they gave.
And the only solution for it is nuclear database and resync.
Now, state sync on AppDos is really cool in that it took me like five minutes
to get back to head from a deleted database, like full, full on completely
just dated, deleted data directory to current was like five minutes.
Very, very cool.
But it's still unfortunate that I was fast and enabled like modern fast sync, right?
Yes, correct.
Yeah.
So because when it to clarify when AppDos first started, it was
think about 16 hours within a month.
It was about 16 hours on reasonable hardware to do a full sync fast sync,
maybe an hour or two hours, but fast sync didn't always work.
But sorry, I interrupted.
No, yeah.
I mean, that's kind of that's just it, right?
Is that they are making impressive strides.
But the fact that there's so little information about like why the VFN failed
because CPU usage totally fine.
Like it was high.
Sure.
It was like 80% for an extended period of time, but that doesn't, in my mind,
that's not nearly sufficient in the node saying, we're done.
Yeah.
Like I can't say provider as your validator nodes.
No, it's not.
But my other VFN is like on the same rack even.
Yeah, totally fine.
My, my, I have one set.
So I was at the same date and touch wood.
We haven't had any issues yet.
So I'm kind of wondering if there's something in that.
I don't know.
We're kind of lazy in there all.
Yeah.
Essentially racked in the same place.
Others are all in the same DC.
Like, are they?
This.
Yeah.
This they're in the same rack.
And this, this 93 74, this 93 74, which is 3.85 gigahertz, 64 thread has now dropped
21 props in the last hour.
So like, and, and that box isn't doing shit.
It is literally doing nothing.
Like it's doing nothing.
So either that is either that is, I don't know what the fuck that is.
It's really frustrating.
Like I can tell you what the hell.
Yeah.
Of course.
Oh yeah.
Of course.
Yeah.
I've said five one, five one terabyte raid, raid zero.
I mean, it, it benchmarks at like, I think the right speeds was like 15 giga second or
something.
There's nothing stressed on this at all, like zero stress on any of, any of the
metrics that we watch here.
So it's just, it's super frustrating to figure out what that issue is.
Actually, it reminds me of back in the test net one, when we had this, this AMD
issue where people were running Intel and we had like no problems.
Then we were running a bunch of like 5950 X's back in those days and like had tons
of fucking issues.
Remember that, and we all switched over to like Intel 1200 or something like that.
And it all went away.
It all went away.
But they're like, no, there's nothing with that AMD.
There's nothing, there's nothing here at all.
And we're like, there's something here.
This, this looks exactly like that where like there's like, there's nothing really
stressing the hardware all.
I mean, there's set points.
There's like 11,000 open files or something like that.
But, but there isn't anything that's like, you look at it and go, oh, this is a massive
issue that, that looks like something that we can change.
You know what I mean?
So it's, it's just a bit, you know, it's a bit annoying.
That's an understatement.
It's super fucking.
So that's interesting.
So one thing that happened was we knocked out our monitoring, our production monitoring box.
So Aptos logs a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot.
We sent all, we shipped all the logs from two rigs, three rigs to quite small
monitoring box and we, we crashed it.
So that was kind of bad because, you know, it knocked out our production monitoring too.
So we knocked that off and rebuilt the monitoring on a separate box.
And with these recent load tests, I don't know, I don't know how like what the,
me, maybe something we misconfigured it, but when we restarted the containers yesterday,
the logging level, I think went up.
I think we did change some configuration.
I think we buggered that up and we've knocked over our second monitoring box, RIP.
So at the moment, we don't actually have any locks, which is super fucking annoying
because our dashboard is just blue screen of death for monitoring how the box is
to do and got alerting in place.
But we actually also have had an issue with one of the VFNs, which weirdly did
not trip its alerting.
Sorry, I only noticed it like in the last hour or so.
But yeah, it was kind of curious.
Like I thought, I thought that maybe they're not being in the same DC with the issue.
And so I kind of thought, is this the same thing that other people are seeing?
But maybe it is.
Maybe that's something I'm going to have to dig into after this show.
But yeah, fun again.
Yeah.
So this rapidly becoming like a kind of tech support, tech support hour here.
Where we're just all, we all have the same issue.
Yes, we are.
Okay, cool.
Right.
Yeah.
Like I mean, this issue to me doesn't look like it has anything to do with hardware.
So I think the issue with that is, which is okay.
Like it's the reason that we have test nets, right?
But it's sure looks like something fundamentally, something fundamental that,
that I don't have the skill set to debug.
So, so if I can't, all I can do is provide data.
And, and that's fine.
It's just, it's, it's, and I think that, that the Aptos team is, has some good leads on,
on kind of what's going on.
They see different types of things, but it's also tough because you have what we talked about last week,
there's 120 nodes or something in this network, 126 valid validators and right now.
And, and some of those are really, really slow.
And some of those are falling out all the time, right?
There's like 20%, like right now, about 20% of the network isn't responding.
And, and so like, how do you separate that, that noise from like signal to say, hey, there's something fundamentally wrong here.
So I, that, that piece is, it's tough because there's, it's so distributed right now with that, but I think it's difficult to, to be able to bring a voice to that conversation to say, this is the data that I'm seeing and have that be like, oh, this is definitely something that we should be going to look at versus a,
it just gets bundled into other types of things.
So, yeah, I appreciated our, our meeting yesterday, our Q&A, because they kind of, they brought up a lot of points that like we were at kind of maybe indirectly asking about in Slack and they're like, okay, these are the things we're actually looking at and these are things we're interested in.
Yeah.
And it was nice to get at least some sort of finger on the pulse of like, this is what we should actually be reviewing.
There's all this other stuff they already kind of have a grasp on.
I do kind of wish uniquely that this previous that we did have a weekly meeting just so we could discuss the recurring issues and ways that we can help them kind of move forward.
Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah, I think we could push for that too. I think we could, there's no reason for that to wait, you know, until after this is over because Slack is like, it's really tough to actually keep a good thread going in there as well because, because
what's happening is you have a thread of, you know, a bunch of information and then, and somebody will post something at the, at the main level and there's a ton of stuff up to that information and then people like repost or rethread, you know, repost something that's in the thread and it's a really difficult tool set to be able to kind of build something around like in these areas.
So, so, so I, yeah, even getting it together and get like some, some, some high level guidance and, and conversation is good. So we'll see what happens right now. It's just, I think it's just right now it's I'm just frustrated.
But that frustration comes from wanting to be able to do well in this and be able to, and be able to provide the right data and I feel like I'm both of those fronts.
It's difficult to be able to do that. So, but yeah, like our alpha node came back and it just got booted again, which is freaking crazy to me. It's like literally the fastest chip on the planet.
In, in a weird way, I feel kind of the opposite about this preview net. The last preview net, I felt like it was less about testing the network and more about testing the operators. And so to me, it felt very frustrating that like we weren't given a lot of information and we didn't know how we're actually being reviewed.
This preview net, I don't know if it's true or not, but it feels more like they're actually trying to do something. And that's something may or may not be working.
And for that may or may not be working. I think that this is what the preview net should have been for, right? It's for like, hey, we have something that might be really cool. We might be able to work this out. It's going to be bloody expensive.
We want to try it. That's what I'm imagining a preview net should have been not the previous one. The previous one to me was just like, I mean, it kind of fell back to the name. The original name was stress net, right?
Stretched everyone out. That's what that was. This, this feels more akin to what I expected.
I think that's a really good comment. Yeah, I agree. That was definitely more testing us.
The last net was particularly stressful as well for anybody that was still on AWS because the hardware requirements were obviously more than mainnet and were eyewateringly expensive.
Like this, this time round is pretty expensive, but it's definitely more tolerable. As a fun thing, I just checked my...
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Back up for one second. The last preview net had higher specs than this one for AWS?
No, it had high, it had higher specs than mainnet. So the rig that you had to run if you're on AWS was more expensive than mainnet.
I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.
So even procuring on a short-term contract, like pretty expensive high performance boxes from another cloud vendor is substantially cheaper than running a large Kubernetes cluster for a month.
So the duration was longer. It was like a full month as opposed to half a month. Although actually because of the billing dates, we're going to end up paying for two months of the servers we've got, whatever.
But it's still a substantial difference in cost, I would say.
Yeah, so that is less stressful this time around if you were one of those unlucky idiots that is big balls cloud validator.
So I say as well, actually, because of the PODO, I put my phone on silent, not vibrate a little while ago. The alerting that we have for the preview net isn't on pager duty, it's just a ghetto thing that does it via text notifications.
And I just looked at my phone, I'd muted it like over an hour ago, and we actually lost both of the VFNs. So yeah, both the vowels are still ticking forward.
Are they signing?
The vowels are, I think. Well, they're on Epoch, like whatever we are. We're on 480 something, right?
46.
Yeah, I mean, they're, I think we're sticking up, but are they actually proposing though?
The Epoch is 480, isn't it? 4806 right now.
486, yeah.
486, yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah. So the vowels, the vowels are there. No, it's gone.
Right now, one of my validators is reporting that there's 73% vowel participation. So this might actually halt here in a second.
And my one keeps bouncing in and out. Anyway, going to close this fucking dashboard.
But it keeps saying peers are like fuckery bands eye.
Yeah, I'm staying. All right, I'm closing this fucking dashboard. I don't want to look at this guy.
But I would say, you know, one other thing about the original pre-vnit was that Dr. Frey had on, I'm not a doctor for five years and that stuff to do a lot of work before then.
But anyway, drink, I've had to do a bunch of research on modern consensus algorithms.
In this context, right? And I was reading the Tusk-Nawal paper, which has a bunch of like benchmarks.
And at the end, also hilarious aside.
Tusk-Nawal is at this end. If you try and replicate any of these benchmarks using AWS, you will spend a lot of money.
So be careful. This is like at the end of an academic paper, just like an FYI.
Okay, some academic tried to replicate it with an AWS free tier account and cost themselves $120,000 or something, which kind of tickled me.
But what they were actually doing, what the Aptos first stress net was, was actually the implementation of that, which they'd already always intended on doing.
So that was pretty interesting because that's like essentially that paper getting ousted into the wild and being used in production.
And in theory, that will scale. Well, the lab test is something like 600,000 transactions a second of heterogeneous real world transactions, I think off the top of my head with quite a large file set.
So it's interesting to kind of see where they might be going with that technology, I suppose.
But I'm not sure where this is the thing about not having so much context this time.
I'm not really actually sure where this particular stress net, where this particular, sorry, preview net, what the software under test, what the big changes, like the big change last time, obviously was Narwhal Tusk.
Consensus Store, I think was the name that they used for it.
Or the very least was, very least it was Narwhal. I'm not sure about Tusk, but I think it was Narwhal Tusk.
But yeah, I'm not 100% sure what it is this time. Though to be fair, they did only write up the stuff last time.
All of what they're actually testing, they didn't write that up properly in a way that was sort of well easy to digest, I suppose, until after it was done.
So maybe they're going to do that.
But because I remember it was still quite opaque last time at this point, it was like, what are we actually testing?
We're just flicking flags on and off and spending a lot of money.
Is it going well? Are these flags making machine go burr?
It's hard to say.
It's a good question because I know that obviously the sharding piece was one part of this release here, which I don't know if that's any effect or not, honestly. I mean, they don't have the details to understand that.
Because I was actually looking at that also after doing a little bit more and understanding how ROX DB worked on that type of shard structure and what makes most sense in terms of where those shards should sit and pathways and all that kind of stuff.
And some things I definitely see, which is like the number of actual open connections to those shards and how many processes are writing to them and all that kind of stuff.
But I don't know if this performance issue that we've seen in these bursts, which I think are still less than what we had in PreviewNet 1, are those related to that change?
And I think all the money that I mentioned in the call, Toby said, there's like from PreviewNet 1 to now, there's been so much additional changes in this binder. It's not even the same thing. Right? And there's like the architectural differences and just the functionality and everything else is so different that you can't really look at apples to apples, which totally makes sense to me.
But yeah, I don't know. Well, I guess we'll maybe we'll find out a little bit more either in these weekly calls or at the end if we can get to a point. But yeah, I don't know.
Can you hear my frustration?
We can hear your frustration.
I don't know.
You just you just you just see broken by this.
I am a bit.
I mean, I have to be honest, the prospect of troubleshooting and bringing back up to VFNs after this has really put a dampener on my evening.
The VFNs, obviously, I mean, that's that's super simple. Just basically now, like now you can do it in two commands is delete that database and make sure that that state sync them there and restart like that.
That VFN syncs in like less than three minutes.
Like it's like right there. Oh, yeah, put that state sync what Schultz he had in there.
That state sync structure, delete the database restarted. It'll be done like three minutes since it's bad.
It's great. It's great.
The same thing. Was this the state sync you posted on Discord?
Yeah, you don't need to modify anymore.
He said that the new binary that we upgraded to yesterday actually has that as the default now.
Oh, it does.
Delete it restart it.
That's cool.
Yep.
That's quite cool.
So that didn't work for you.
So that was down dash V and and Docker compose up.
Oh, yeah.
That's matters.
Yeah, very cool.
I've changed my I've changed my mind. Automation is amazing.
It's incredible.
You're the best bit as well. I there is now simple task for that. So it could literally be ads will play look just playbook recycle colon latest for life.
Right.
Never use never never use actual tags as fuck it just colon latest down up.
Yeah, exactly.
That means no, no, no, no, no, we actually the level of paranoia is hard.
And the the versions and whatnot are actually hard coded into a compose file because then it means that you can't screw up passing environment via shell or any other.
There's nothing that can float around in your session that might change what it is.
There's only editing the file that tells you what the state of the world should be.
When that file changes, the demon will go, oh, hold up. There've been changes just like changing a what's the like changing a system D file or whatever, you know, it says like, you know, whoa, there've been changes to this unit file.
Yeah, you know, you should do something about that because you're a professional and you go, ah, yeah.
Okay. All right.
I'll treat you.
One.
Yeah, let's talk more aptos because I think this is giving all really entertained.
It's keeping all awake, I think.
You know, I quit having coffee this week and I just fucking can't hear anything you're saying anyway.
So you look particularly broken this morning.
Yeah, look at the bags under your eyes.
I am so fucked.
What are you doing?
Just stop drinking coffee.
Why?
It's like someone has just walked around with a bat next to me and just fucking wailed on my head for like the last few days.
Stop drinking beer too.
That's what is going on.
So my body is just readjusting into a like I'm like a ghoul now.
I just like like, did you go around a hundred percent methamphetamines or what?
Like, what are you doing?
I just like fucking need some.
That's how it works, I think, right?
Yeah, you gotta need some gear.
No drugs at all?
Are you like drug free now?
No, Ains anymore.
I got no Ains.
No Ains.
No caffeine.
Why?
Man, that's tough.
You haven't given us the why yet and I need to know.
I just, I don't like, you're all coffee drinkers, right?
Long term coffee drinkers.
Have you ever stopped before?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's horrible.
Yeah.
Yeah, but after the horrible goes, then like it's a little bit better.
No.
Yeah.
Better than what?
Better than the horrible part?
Yes.
So I already like the best of times, like when I was a teenager, I used to have this periodic
insomnia.
And then when I started working for the first few years, I have like six and then I think
at one point I was on 10 cups of coffee a day.
And I was like, I was getting to like one in the morning, like working on shit after work,
my own shit.
And then like two in the morning and being like, I just don't feel tired.
And then when I finally was like totally exhausted, like right time for bed and I lie down like
feeling totally bodily exhausted and just be like, and yet, and yet and yet and yet and
yet and yet and yet something is not letting me sleep.
And like a normal person in their twenties, I just dealt with that for several years and
just kept burning the candle at both ends.
And then I'd like a fucking idiot just woke up one morning and went, hang on a minute.
I wonder if it's because I'm having 10 cups of coffee a day.
And it's actually like impossible to adjust to that much caffeine.
No, it's possible to adjust to that much caffeine.
So yeah, like I gradually just started knocking like, like how you deal with a baby sleeping,
right?
You just start knocking out naps.
I just started knocking out coffees until I'm replacing them with first tea because
it's got way less caffeine, but it's still got some.
And then after I went backpacking in China, where it's actually much harder to get coffee,
especially in rural China, I kind of at most places you would be able to find someone somewhere
to get a coffee maybe in the morning, but it was kind of a ballache.
And I ended up going down to two coffees like morning and lunch and then green tea for the
rest of the day.
And then I just kept that routine when I came home.
Like the first few days I was in China, I was in a fucking state.
I let you, I know it's jet lagged as well.
I just, I was so fucked.
I was just wandering around Beijing just like, fuck, I'm so tired.
But it ended up being for the best, I think.
I can sleep.
I feel like once you get over that tiredness and headaches, like I feel like you're just
more like of a more leveled out to a degree.
I don't know.
I feel like you're sort of, I don't know, you end up drinking too much coffee and I'm
getting to the point where I like the coffee is getting a bit much.
So I just sort of best to just stop for a while and it's not going well at the moment.
But you know, yesterday I had some, I had to bump an afternoon meeting because I like,
I had some meetings in the morning and did some work in the morning.
You know, like I went to the gym at 10 and I came back from the gym at midday and I was
supposed to have a meeting at 1 30 and I just couldn't come back.
I was done.
I had to lay down on the couch and have a sleep.
I had to call them up and say, can we move the meeting till tomorrow?
I'm wrecked.
I can't do anything.
So yeah, I don't know.
You're not ill as well because this sounds like it could be like overtraining, lack of
iron, COVID, any number of additional things.
I have not been great the last couple of weeks, but I don't think it's like COVID.
How often you get in the gym?
I'm not overtraining.
And you said that last time, you're like, sounds like you're overtraining me.
He was like, I am not.
I'm only working out every single day.
By the way, I'm also not overtraining.
Yeah, I'm also not overtraining.
You definitely get enough iron because that's another like dead obvious.
I do actually, I don't eat as much.
I used to eat a steak every day.
I don't eat as much steak these days, but probably.
What the fuck?
Just make broccoli soup, you Neanderthal.
That's a lot of meat.
Yeah.
A steak a day is going to make you dick fall off.
Broccoli soup.
Broccoli is like the highest, I think it's the highest iron vegetable.
And it will also help you shit better because it's, you know, five.
If anybody asked me if I work out, I'm going to say I'm not overtraining.
I got overtraining.
Immediately.
I love that answer.
I'm totally exhausted.
I look like crap.
I'm having to work out.
I'm not overtraining.
Emotional decisions.
I'm not overtraining.
You look like you're overtraining.
But yesterday, definitely I was knocked out by a nervous system thing after training
was hit a nice PB yesterday.
Because you're a major after.
But yeah, anyway, so is your, was your caffeine coffee intake shots like espresso or is it
like just brew?
Oh, I just, just like, just like a pot of coffee.
Oh, yeah.
All right.
Cause it's like, we don't have drip.
So it's just like, the lately I've been drinking just instant because I haven't really
been leaving the house other than to work or go to the gym.
Cause you've been overtraining.
There's not much caffeine in that, isn't it?
Yeah, no, it's less than a coffee has.
How does that mean for you?
Yeah, but I'm like, you know, a tablespoon of coffee in my cup.
If you drink it without milk, it is quite aggressive.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
How's your, how's your sex drive been?
What?
It's another classic sign of overtraining is your libido changes because of your, your
iron level goes down and your testosterone level goes down.
Oh man.
So we should try getting to this.
I'm literally reading a book about this right now and Noel, I sent it to you on the chat.
It's called burn and boys.
It's so good.
I didn't realize you just sent it to me now.
Yeah.
And the discord, the discord chat.
Dude, you had such a perfect opportunity to answer.
I'm not overtraining to that, to that question.
And you missed it.
I can't just answer everything with a note.
I'm trying to,
How's your sex life?
Not overtraining.
I'm not overtraining.
Not a tumor.
Copy.
Yeah.
I'm overtraining there though.
So, uh, what is it?
Was that it?
Like, was that like a flex?
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
I'll, I'll, I'm sure you're knocking it out with your, your, your baggy eyes and your
three, your 3pm naps.
I'm sure.
I'm sure you just laid it out.
Well, I, it's like ultra baggy right now.
They look, they look like you got beat up.
Man, I, he's like, no, I was lost.
I was out of here.
It was a long bus.
I was out of here for my fingers.
I was out.
Your whole brain just froze.
I was counting the hours.
Yeah.
I slept about nine hours last night.
It's a, I've been drinking shitloads of water.
I've been eating fucking like salad and chicken and yogurt and apples and fucking bananas
and shit.
So how many sticks a day?
You don't have to like, no, no, I haven't had steak in a fair while.
I do have two melting in the fridge at the moment though.
So two stakes for dinner tonight.
Maybe.
Well, I think your motivation is wrong.
I think that there's differences between having a little caffeine and no caffeine.
Think about life is about moderation that.
What's wrong with having extreme.
I was like, is there something wrong with that in my, I think we just talked about
for the last 15 minutes.
All of, all or nothing is a very strange way of living life.
I think you serve as right.
Did I see a tea bag in that cup though?
Yeah.
This is not a caffeine tea.
This is a ginger tea.
Got it.
Okay.
I was going to say, you realize a lot of tea has the same or more caffeine than coffee,
but okay, it's a ginger tea.
All right.
I'll back off for a moment.
So I've given up coffee once before in my life when I, I moved back to my hometown from
when I was working in mines and when I was working in mines, I was drinking, I was, I
was on the fray type fucking coffee schedule.
I was like nine or 10, um, espresso's a day out of this coffee machine.
Yeah.
Well, I didn't have problems sleeping cause I would never have coffee after two in the
afternoon, but I was like heavily addicted to coffee.
My breath smelled like coffee all the time and like, you know, fucking it was shit.
So I went cold turkey on that and every day, man, for like three months, I had a fucking
headache.
Um, it took a long time to adjust after I haven't had headaches in the last couple of
days on this time around, but that first time, man, I was fucking headaches galore.
But, um, after it all finally settled down, like I felt great until I started drinking
coffee again.
Well, I mean, it still felt great, but, but you know, like is, it was pretty good.
Like I'd wake up at exactly the same time every day.
Um, schedule was better.
I was like more level throughout the day.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
I'm kind of chasing that high again.
So see if that works.
When I was pulling, when I was, cause I have an espresso machine, when I was pulling shots
and like do like you do like two, like a double shot of americano and I would do like three
of those in a day and three of those double shots, like six shots, like that would, right
really?
Then I was, I would have, like I would have huge withdrawals from that.
Like I would be able to go through the day and it wasn't a big deal.
And then you kind of make that gradual transition between, between coffee to like water to alcohol.
Like there's like a, you know, you got some, you got some humps in there.
Right.
You got like no, like there's a graph.
I gotta find this graph.
I'll put a graph and show notes.
Amazing graph around caffeine, alcohol intake and like how you can back bounce it up.
Um, but then I moved, I moved away from that because like if I didn't eat, I'd get the
shakes and shit.
And then if he didn't have like the next day, if he didn't have caffeine, like you, you
get like, I'd get like a splitting height, like headache or migraine or something.
And then I just went to drip, like just like a, like I was just brewing pots and then,
but now I'm, I'm finishing a pot a day, but that pot is probably like 10 small cups.
So it's like out of like a real coffee cup.
It's probably like three or three and a half maybe.
I don't know, something like that.
It's not like incredible, but it's a decent amount of caffeine, but at least it's enough
where it's balanced where if I skip a day, I don't get like massive headaches and all
that kind of stuff.
So
I still quite a lot of coffee though.
Oh yeah.
It's definitely a lot of coffee for sure.
Yeah.
Cause I'll still have a couple of like, like, especially when we're in
Wrapping team two coffees a day, like one, but when we're in Barcelona, the same type
of thing, like, like I would, like that was pretty common.
Like we get up, like we have a couple of cups right at the house and then we go out and
I get a shot somewhere.
And then like, like you and me and Jeff, like we'd walk the streets and like two o'clock,
like let's go get a shot.
Like, like, right?
Like you would just pull it.
Like you just do it.
I need a shot at 2pm.
Like that was, that's pretty common.
Like I sent it like a little hit.
Yeah.
But, but like that's the, oh yeah.
It's not unreasonable.
It's not unreasonable at all.
Like I think, I think if you, if you have like that much less, like you do, like obviously
I'm biased and obviously I'm going to just like stand the position that I've decided
to take because that's how life works.
But like, I don't know.
I feel like I enjoy it a little bit more now.
Like it's more of a treat.
Like I get to do it once a day and like there's such a measure.
And the other thing is like there's such an impact.
You have a double espresso in the morning when that is your main cup.
That is possibly your only coffee of the day.
And you wake up and you're like, kill me now.
Bleary eye, checking your phone, all the usual crypto nonsense, right?
And then that first sip of coffee, you're like, it's going to be all right.
It's going to be fine.
Instantly you're like, I'm going to be fine.
Wouldn't you rather just like wake up and already feel like, yeah, you don't.
It's Thursday.
It's good.
You don't.
You get black, black coffee and then ideally do an interval on the bike.
That was like my COVID routine and it felt really good.
Unfortunately, I can't do that anymore because baby.
So it's cup of coffee, deal with admin, yada, yada.
What you going to do?
Are you a stay at home dad at the moment?
No, no, I go into the office, but I do pick up in the afternoon from nursery.
And I do to be fair, I have one day a week where I am a stay at home dad because nursery
is really expensive.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's crazy expensive.
It's like the price of a mortgage.
It's fucking bananas.
Yeah.
I don't actually know how people afford to have two kids would be my review of how expensive
nursery is.
I don't know how we would do.
Somebody stops working.
That's how it happens.
Yeah.
Like doesn't someone just like stay with the kids if you can do that?
If you can do that.
Otherwise, you, I think you struggle for a bunch of years while you have daycare and
then hopefully you have school that picks up like full day kindergarten is usually the,
you get a lot of people doing full day kindergarten, but before it used to be like mostly half
day.
That's five.
So you get the first five years, you really, you really got to push it.
Yeah.
I think if we wanted to, we'd literally have to wait to one was in school to be able to
afford it.
Yeah.
And even that like first grade even is like what, 830 to two or something like that, 230
or something.
So it's not like it's a full day.
I think here it's 830 to four.
Really?
Four o'clock?
Yeah.
Just straight like school to school.
I think they might stop the kind of lessons at a time, but I don't think, I don't think
you pick them up that early.
I could be wrong.
Maybe I am.
And I'm going to find that out.
You're going to find it out pretty soon, right?
In three years time.
But yeah.
So Rama says that two kids three days a week in Australia is roughly the average Australian's
beer budget.
That is dirt cheap.
That's fucking bullshit.
There's no way it's actually that cheap.
Yeah.
We do actually spend more than that on beer.
Two kids three days a week, $300 RC.
What's that?
That's 200.
A United States.
Stullery does.
Yeah.
Okay.
So yeah, that's cheaper than the UK, but not like loads cheaper.
So what?
It's so nice being like living in the freedom states and experiencing freedom.
We don't, you don't get any help really until the kids three.
Oh, heavily subsidized by the government.
All right.
Well, that could be the case.
Cause right now, I mean, if you did two kids three days, that's six days, six mandates,
six kid days at what eight hours a day is 48 hours.
$300 divided by 48 is an average price of $6 an hour.
Yeah.
That would be something like $2,000 in the UK.
Two kids three days a week.
That would be four times that here.
Yeah.
Easily.
Let me get to the, like it was easily 25 bucks an hour a kid, right?
It easily actually.
Government subsidized daycare is a pretty good thing.
I mean, there's studies that prove that like for every dollar they put into government
subsidized, one healthcare childcare, but also like school lunches, you get like $4 to
$6 in terms of like, right?
Or just GDP, right?
You just, you're adding to GDP because people are not dealing with healthcare costs.
So 1800.
What do you have to say to $1850 is what two kids three days a week would cost where we
are in the UK, which isn't even the most expensive place.
Pounds or dollars?
Dollars.
$1850.
I just converted what it would cost.
That seems more likely.
Yeah.
That's kind of what it costs here.
But the, so there's a really interesting thing.
I know we're not talking about crypto at all here, but whatever.
Great.
I love it.
So, you know, France, their childhood obesity is some of the lowest in Europe and I think
probably in the developed world.
And it's largely tied, at least the explanation in the theory is, right?
It's largely tied to early years nutrition because that's a strong indicator of not being
obese later in life, right? And what's really, really interesting and sad, right, is that
that tenet of the kind of the state's provision of sort of child welfare has sort of slackened
off over time.
And you can literally see like the obesity level then like with like a 10 year lag or
whatever start to pick up towards the European average.
And you're like, what are you doing?
Like literally, what are you doing?
It's insane.
Like you have a relatively healthy food culture and you're throwing it away.
In the UK, like child poverty is super bad because there's not really a lot of support
for early years stuff.
It's very like rich people have nannies and all that other shit and they just, they're
like everybody else can just fucking work it out.
So it's just not a poly...
And there's this kind of like streak of meanness where people are kind of like, like as a person's
responsibility or whatever I think is like what some people think.
And then I don't know if people...
It is weird.
I don't really know who votes for things, right?
Because the statistics show that a lot of people would be affected by that policy.
And yet a lot of people vote for the party that is not going to help them by continuing
that policy and keeping their children in poverty.
I mean, that's like the story's oldest time, right?
Yeah.
Not to be kind of sending about it.
It's just, I think it's more me being resigned to the reality of like, okay, so you're not
getting something you need and you're saying you need it and you're angry that you don't
have it and then you're going to vote for the person that actively takes away from you.
Like is that, that doesn't...
It's very...
I think a lot of those things, like you see them and they're very ashamed of my country.
Like childhood policy statistics is like one of those things where you're like, this is
shameful.
I saw something else that made me ashamed the other day, which was I was in the city
and I saw somebody walking between traffic, begging at cars, which I previously have only
seen while backpacking in the third world.
And I've not seen that in a British city before.
And I was like, really?
That's like super mega common here.
I've seen it in like every major city.
Oh yeah.
In Portland, like every single street corner, every single one.
Now granted, Portland's a little unique in how bad it is.
But oh yeah.
I don't know, maybe it's just like the...
Yeah, I don't know.
I think that kind of begging, I don't think I've really seen...
Yeah, whatever.
I don't know.
Somebody correct me if they've seen it before in the UK, I don't know.
My Xabix wonderful server monitoring is telling me that the load average of my validator full
nodes on Aptos are too high because the CPU load is over 1.5 and right now my current
load is 150.
Okey dokey then.
Kind of blew it out there, brother.
So by the way, you're 100X over what our threshold is.
Thanks.
Yeah, maybe I should restart those VFNs that are fucked over here.
That just means you up the threshold, baby.
No shit.
I need to because everything I run is at 1.5.
What the fuck is that?
That's nothing.
That thing's not showing a load of 30.
It's not paying the fucking bills.
Let's go.
I'm going to do draw a tweet of the week and then I'm going to go restart these nodes
during the show because...
No, we only have 40 minutes.
You've already ignored it for four hours.
That seems like a plan.
Right.
Short C is you this time.
Say when?
Stop the first one.
Stop the first one?
First one.
We are in the section, mayor.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I want the very first tweet in the book.
Nice.
Oh.
Numero uno, baby.
Nice.
I just turned to the first page.
It's not a tweet, but the dedication at the front of the book reads, this book is dedicated
to everyone who has ever died.
And only the letter O in one is capitalized.
That's pretty funny.
Okay.
So the first tweet in the entire book is in the section animals and it reads, animals
can have spirit animals too.
It works.
Okay.
You know, FYI, in case you were sleeping.
There are actually some very good tweets on the second page.
I fear my tropical fish no longer respect me after I accidentally stumbled backwards and
smushed my asshole right up against their $3,000 tank.
That's so satisfying.
That feels like the outdoor stress net right there.
I feel like my infrastructure provider no longer respects me.
They use the terms smushed.
Is that what it was?
It was a smushed my asshole or smashed.
Smushed is perfect.
You know, I got to say about this preview net.
It was kind of fun watching people scramble and then infrastructure providers being like,
Hey, do you know we're getting in stock like in two weeks?
It's in Chicago.
How do you like that?
I mean, like, yeah, man, I don't care just because they knew that we were part of Aptos
and that they were everyone was seeking like the 92 74.
I got like six messages from infrastructure providers, like cherry service message being
also like, yeah, I'll get the same shit.
Yeah.
Hey, brother, how do they know?
I don't know.
I'm guessing someone had meetings of like, Hey, I'm trying to find this server at this
price or whatever.
Then someone else happened and then it just kind of fucking drug dealers, man.
I know exactly right.
It's like, Hey, Hey, you got that thing you're looking for?
I got I got a little bit.
I'll give you 20 minutes on the 94 74 F.
If you want it, yeah, free, free, first 15 minutes, free first 15 minutes.
Run your Ansible.
Do some, do some stats.
Let me know.
Only 1200 a month.
See how quickly your Ansible script executed.
200 a month.
Run some stats.
So I just recently moved my Zabix to like a server in Sydney.
Oh my God, my experience is a lot better now.
What was it before?
I never realized like how much lag there was like when I'd load pages and shit.
And just like it being near me is just so much better.
I took a second of latency out of my monitoring and yeah, like I click a button and it just
comes up right away.
Instead of like, Hello, hello, how are you today?
Here's some credits.
Here's some fucking certificates.
Oh, okay.
Very good.
Good day.
Here's some data.
But yeah, man network latency in real time.
You heard it here first.
Does make a difference.
All right.
You want to do some news?
So, well, I was going to say somebody, somebody who mentioned the coffee, was it you said
I mentioned the coffee, beer, uh, curbs.
Transition.
Yeah.
Well, there's a caffeine curve, which is like a popular meme, but yeah, there's, but
there's also like a second one, which is like, so a little, a little segue from that
one.
And a little follow up, I guess from last week is like, you might have heard of the
Bulma curve.
And we, we were obviously talking about the psychotherapy thing from last week.
The link is in the show notes.
One of the funny corollaries of that is that obviously we, we had a little chuckle about
Jay's tirade.
But Jay also linked a new thread entirely to dump Cosmos drama in the history of Cosmos
drama, as he called it, I believe.
And that thread is amazing.
It's the thread that keeps on giving.
But there's somebody who is like a different kind of Cosmos truther, but maybe just the
same level of intense kind of swings into the chat at one point and just fires off a
bunch of questions.
One of them is about the technical competency of a bunch of prominent people in the cosmos.
One of them is Jacob G. And amongst other things, Jay fires back.
Jacob G as a manager is a great idea if you're drunk.
And then Jacob G appears in the chat and then responds by saying, by essentially saying
like, Oh, are we talking about the Bulma peak?
Well, maybe.
And the thread is just, it's so wild.
It's so great.
It's just every character that you know and love being the character that you know and
love.
And so I recommend that as a follow on read.
That's my follow up on that thread on the Cosmos forum.
Enjoy that much, Lee.
There's a lot in this.
I've never looked at this Cosmos forum before, but it's like the same 12 names constantly
bickering and arguing against each other.
Is that really what this is?
Yeah, just Rahmer and Bendy arguing.
There's a lot in this.
I guess it's one of our news items.
Looking at a thread on here about our understanding of the Cosmos hub mempool issues, which our
newsman not on the behest of Game of Nodes, we should state publicly on the behest of
Game of Nodes.
No, not on the best.
Somehow I guess broke Cosmos or something.
New bond issue.
Did something.
Yeah, the description of the exploit is in the sheet.
Yeah.
So you just do IBC transactions with, it's crazy.
Yeah, I just realized it was really large in MemoFields.
Well, I mean, it's in the public domain, right?
It's happening now.
So you just do IBC transactions with really large MemoFields?
Is that kind of the, that's the wrinkle brand approach of breaking IBC?
Is that it?
Yep.
Which took down five validators.
So why would it just be five?
It was just the ones who were going to probably...
Oh, it's a hard way.
Oh, shoot.
So it's like the original, on a really early version of Cosmos, you could do a very similar
type of attack.
And you may remember in one of the Astarty networks, we took down the entire Valset.
It was either Lucina or Astarty, I can't remember which.
We took down the Valset with a really, really similar attack.
And it was the code for it was unbelievably noddy.
I think it was literally a rust buff with the whole of Moby Dick posted into it.
And then...
No, I'm not even kidding.
I think it was literally the whole of Moby Dick as a static string.
And then it was just like, essentially send this payload multiplied by a big integer.
And then we just ran it on a local machine, found the biggest number that would work as
a multiplier before the gas meter said, whoa, what the fuck is this?
And if you went one number below that, it would just anybody with bad RAM or not sufficient
RAM would get absolutely wrecked by the size of the string coming down the pipe.
Not only the string coming down the pipe, but the string coming down the pipe multiple
times, just over and over and over into the mempool.
I think might have actually been a relation of the same issue, but anyway, nostalgia,
that one.
Love to see it.
So I guess this has been talked about for a while and Jacob is not relentless in telling
us how long it's been talked about.
And it looks like that our newsman just took it on himself to make it a reality.
Just out there having a go, man.
Just having a go.
Which I love.
He did the right thing, right?
Is this the one where Jacob G posted that thread being like, I will invite you to a
Google group where I'll tell you about a thing?
Whatever it is, it's not about the actual issue.
It's about showing how he either thought of it or it's been pushing it or something else.
And then there's like 75 fucking slack and discord screenshots.
Like all that shit has to happen, right?
That's well, like all that has to come, right?
So, you know, imager gets filled up and their buffers get filled up with all the screenshots
of how right people are.
Anyway, very important.
It's really what that's really what that's a core of the issue is like really identifying
who knew about this first and like who is ignored.
I mean, that's really the most important part is the core of blockchain.
The core of blockchain is really understanding who figured it out first and make sure they
get credit for it.
They're away from the actual issue.
It's the validator code, man.
You go to submit your evidence.
That's right.
I need evidence.
I need shots of 800 personal conversations and all this shit where people are ignored.
Okay.
That's fine.
Oh, ding.
Ding.
Valde.
Yeah.
So anyway, so our newsman attacks the network shows in a very light way, right?
Shows that this is a vulnerability and now actually it looks like it's getting some traction.
So I see it.
I see a lot of informal conversations, Zachy, everybody else kind of getting in there and
talking about what they want to do with it.
Now I assume that also means that it's not just cause, but it has nothing to do with the
hub, right?
I assume this is every chain.
This is an IBC issue.
I think it's every chain, yeah.
Any tenement chain, right?
It has nothing.
I mean, there's nothing specific about this.
Is this related to pigeon for?
Because that was obviously a vulnerability.
I don't know.
I can do a search for pigeon in this thread though.
It's called pigeon.
Nope.
Because off the top of my head, because there was one of the vulnerabilities that got patched
was pigeon for, wasn't it?
And that I know that some chains got hit by that this week and some validators got toasted
because they hadn't updated.
Okay.
Well, I don't know if this is any, so I'm glad.
I'm glad Rama made a shitshow out of it now.
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Black Friday is coming up.
Christmas is coming up.
There are plenty of people in your life that would benefit from a no with veto t-shirt,
a circle steak t-shirt, validators of the real heroes t-shirt, and I dump shit coins
t-shirt.
It's a good time to sell t-shirts.
Oh yeah, that's coming up.
Yeah.
Christmas in the middle of the summer over there.
Recently I've become convinced that no one watches our podcast and thus we would have
no customers.
That's the caffeine talking or lack of caffeine talking.
I see you over training.
You need to be more positive, man.
Drink some more coffee.
Ignore it.
Yeah, ignore reality.
Drink coffee.
That's another.
There you go.
There's a t-shirt.
There you go.
I think that on a very real level, the podcast is sort of a social experiment as much as
it is a podcast.
I mean, we have a good number of repeating listeners who download the podcast.
Whether they listen or not, I have no idea.
We have no visibility of that.
The number of people who actually grab the episodes isn't bad.
It continues to do well and it grows.
And people do get in touch as well.
I mean, I don't know, but people do get in touch on various things and be like, hey, here's
some feedback on XYZ.
We know who you are.
We appreciate you.
And we will wake the merch.
I feel like the slow glacial approach of the merch is finally nearly here.
Youssepa and I were talking about t-shirt colors in the week, which I think is the closest
to the actual production of items we've gone.
There was a little bit of debate about Heather versus charcoal, right?
Heather blue versus Heather gray.
Yeah, Heather blue versus Heather gray.
I think the artifact t-shirt that I like that I wear a lot, I think.
That's Heather blue, I would think.
That I am wearing.
I think it's not Heather blue.
I think it's just straight up sky blue.
Do you own more than two pieces of clothing, right?
Because it's either that artifact t-shirt or that sweater, which is making to Null's
point a lot of appearances.
You're in a lot of play lately.
You need more than two pieces of clothing?
I don't know.
We need seven or maybe nine.
So what happens, right?
Which you should know, youssepa, is that you have a baby, right?
And then your washing goes in when there's not baby washing, right?
So it goes in about every eight to nine days if you're lucky.
And then it comes out and you're really tired.
And if you were lucky, you kind of stuff it back into a cupboard or something in a big
pile.
And then you go back and you just take whatever looks good on top.
And this is always the artifact t-shirt because it's the only color like all my other t-shirts
that are in that top eight things mushy pile or all black t-shirts.
So I just go for the blue one every time and just wear that t-shirt every week once a week.
And sometimes it's on Wednesdays.
It's, you know, sometimes.
Sometimes.
Sometimes it's on Wednesdays.
It just happens a lot of the time that for whatever reason it's on Wednesday.
I didn't know what to tell you.
I don't tell you, man.
I tell you the truth.
Let's talk about this Eb-Mos thing.
Did you guys take a look at this?
Yeah, so the Eb-Mos thing.
So our news researcher slash crypto terrorist, Rama, put in the Eb-Mos sees signs of life
and bullish uptick in cosmos signals intent to leave and align with Ethereum.
They're looking to deprecate.
He said depreciate, but I think it's deprecate.
The cosmos transactions to remove tech dip.
It says deprecate.
It says depreciate.
It definitely says depreciate.
Oh, yeah.
It says depreciate.
It's like, seriously, dude, you can't even see through those eyes.
Cosmos transact remove tech depth, increase develop, develop, meet efficiency and take
an Ethereum first approach to alignment.
So there's a, I'll put a link in the show notes to both their Twitter as well as a little
bit of a medium type structure on that.
It looks like it's going to start some point in Q2 next year.
They want to be done by Q4 next year.
Did I read that or Q3 next year?
Anyway, it's a long fucking ways out.
And something interesting I thought, I thought something in here was, I don't know about
the tech depth piece.
I can't really talk to that or the efficiency side.
I'm trying to, I'm trying to, so what's the tenement?
What's the value of the tenement piece?
Because it looks like they're also, the way I understood it, like they can still stake,
but they're somehow translating or finding a way to be able to translate a, an existing
Cosmos address from an Ethereum address.
So you still can stake the same way, but you're really, you're staking from the Ethereum side.
That part didn't really make any sense to me because I know all the staking is obviously
a Cosmos, tendermint, address staking type structure.
I'm pretty sure you can use the Ethereum side already to stake with MetaMask.
Oh, you can.
Okay.
So basically it does that translation.
So they're just, they're just basically hiding or removing some of the, some of the core.
Yeah.
I think the idea was to get rid of the overhead of the Cosmos coin side.
Yeah.
Just get rid of it.
But I don't know if that means that then they're going to get rid of Wasm.
I don't know.
I guess then it's just going to be like EVM.
Yeah.
Well, EVM is Wasm.
So.
It is.
So.
So, I mean, it's pretty cool.
Like it's a pretty, you know, it's neat.
I just didn't, I don't know if it does it do anything to be, I understand the technical
debt piece, which means the chain costs less to run internally.
And the timelines here are pretty long, which I'm surprised how long those timelines are.
And if that is, if that's cultural based and just the change management aspect of that,
or if that's related to the actual work that has to be performed to be able to do this.
Because that's a pretty long runway for Evmos at seven cents.
And you know what I mean?
Like to say that we're going to release this in a year, there's a time I wouldn't have,
I would be questioning how much.
Yeah.
You're like, how can you afford the development hours?
Like is that how large is that team in a year from now based on this market?
And like, anyway, I don't know.
But I don't know.
So basically the summary of what's happening here is that there's a few moving past it.
This is my understanding.
There's the EVM.
For those more familiar with Cosmowism, every time you hear EVM, think Cosmowism, think
smart contracts.
So Ethereum is just a ledger with the EVM on top.
So all the party mainly happens at EVM level with a little bit of...
In the past, obviously, there was a proof of work ledger at the bottom of the stack.
And now there is a proof of stake ledger.
So there is actually a kind of additional layer that's at the native level that there
wasn't before, but we'll kind of hand wave away that complexity and say that mostly like
the party happens smart as smart contracts.
So in Juno and in EVMOS, there is the ledger.
There's also the consensus system, the consensus bit being tendermint.
And then there is essentially all of the native Cosmos functionality.
So the transaction part they're referring to here, which is provided by the Cosmos SDK.
So that's governance, staking, blah, blah, blah, any custom modules.
And then there's the EVM, which is all the smart contracts stuff.
So my understanding of this is it's effectively like saying, okay, we're not going to support
the SDK part anymore.
We're just going to have it as like the bare minimum of glue code to make the EVM run to
drive the ledger, but you can't submit transactions to effectively that Cosmos SDK shim in the
middle of the stack anymore.
You can only interact with stuff that's in the EVM layer because they already support
Ethereum transactions.
So presumably the piece that they would do is to support because they already support
staking via that Ethereum message type.
So the staking presumably is a shim going through the Cosmos SDK part.
So the Cosmos SDK bit is interpreting that Ethereum transaction and writing it to the
ledger.
So all they're doing is basically removing the parts of the SDK that interact with it
in a way that the Cosmos chains that use the SDK in a normal way expect to do.
So in a sense, this isn't that dissimilar from something like Larry's original idea
behind CW SDK, right?
Which when we've talked about this podcast a lot, we talked about it with Ethan whatever
18 months ago, a long time ago, when we say, oh, is there an avenue for a Rust SDK or should
it just be a virtual machine?
That is essentially what the CW SDK idea is, right?
Which is to remove everything but the shim part of the SDK or that interaction layer essentially
and just have the VM handling as much as possible really.
In this case, it's as much as possible except for the staking bit is my understanding.
Oh, and there you go, Reese is in the chat.
He said they deprecated their Ethan mint fork so they are moving something else entirely,
it seems.
So there you go.
This has quite a wide-ranging set of effects for them as a team and I think it also has
some other effects for the ecosystem too.
And Null is so shocked he's literally had like a spit take, like a lady in a Regency
drama, he's just spat his tea on the floor in shock at the disk that's been laid at the
SDK's door.
Nope.
He's non-responsive.
He's not had the coffee.
Seriously, this is such a bad decision on your point on this caffeine thing.
We'll talk about it next week.
I know you think there's like a light at the end of this tunnel, there's not.
Okay?
There's not.
There's one of my favorite lines from the comedy show The Thick of It in the UK is,
this is like the Shawshank Redemption except with more crawling through shit and no fucking
redemption.
There's no end to the tube, you just keep crawling and crawling and crawling.
Yeah.
I don't know what the context is, I think it's a path to, I think it's like somebody
is basically shouting at a bunch of people who are fucked up.
He's like, what did you expect?
This is like the Shawshank Redemption except how long is this fucking shit and no fucking
redemption?
How long is this pipe?
Amazing.
I think that's it for the news.
Oh, Sam's in jail.
Yeah, gives a shit.
He was in jail before, right?
No, no, no.
I thought he had his bail revoked at some point because he was talking or some shit
and they pulled him back in.
Yeah, fucking tampering with the witnesses.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Like he was, like he was, I think it was on house arrest, but he from a bailable beach
house and he somehow broke that because he was talking to the press or talking to somebody
trying to make his case.
What do you get?
Well, he didn't get sentenced yet, right?
That's coming up.
Like, in years or something like that?
Possible?
Yeah, sentencing is like months away.
Yeah, March.
It's like next year, right?
He's not going anywhere.
It doesn't matter.
You could take your time.
Yeah, it's going to be longer than this.
Well, he then has another trial, right?
So it's not over for him.
He has another trial and another sentencing.
What was the second trial?
More bullshit, more fucking stealing.
I think it's a criminal versus civil trial is what's going on.
I think that this was the criminal trial.
Another one is civil.
If I remember correctly, I could very well be wrong there.
That's what happens.
Yeah, different.
Everybody rolls over.
You get these years start adding up and oh shit, there we start to jump and chip.
He's going to do some time though.
Yeah, I think a long story short is fucked.
What about what's your face from Alameda?
That's Nalves legal.
Caroline Allison.
He's been watching the legal channel and his assessment is didn't Allison just like
Caroline, right?
So did she plea out?
She sang.
It's basically what happened.
She's a complete deal.
She plead, right?
So she's not.
Is she facing any time even with her plea?
I don't think so.
That's what I was reading.
Because she was basically taking funds, right?
Like she was running a V.C. slash investment arm that was taking taking funds from from
Sam and FTX to be able to float it.
Like she was clearly an accomplice.
Alameda thing.
Yeah, she can't walk.
She was the other conspire.
She's going to walk like just that's it.
Get the fuck out of the country.
Disappear.
That's the one.
Yeah.
Put on the big false mustache.
It's just like that.
Hola.
My name is Senor Burns.
Como estas?
That's how you do it, right?
That's right.
That's what you do.
All of my, all of my dealing with the law from the Simpsons.
I'm pretty sure you can just do that, right?
Yeah.
So it looks like she is going to get some sort of punishment, but she's not going to
face any sort of jail time.
Crazy.
Yeah.
What other punishment is there?
Fucking no.
I don't know.
Fines.
I mean, she might be like house arrest or this or that or I mean, she might actually
she can't hold a role the way she has, but with the help she's looking at the worst, I
think like the worst non jail punishment you could get these days is like you can't use
the internet.
Hello.
You got to get from the internet for a hundred and seventy years.
You have to put your Xavix or any other side of the earth.
Oh man.
It would be a track to not have YouTube, but I think you get over it, right?
Yeah.
I don't think you would.
I don't know.
Actually, it's tough.
Everyone else would be like, Hey, man, you see that thing?
You're like, That's the only subscription I don't mind paying for.
YouTube premium.
That's the only one.
The rest of it.
I told you.
It's totally worth it.
It is totally.
It is totally worth it.
And I fucking like seven or eight years of YouTube premium.
They sent me an email the other day and they said, Son, we're jacking up your price now.
Oh, really?
You've had ten bucks premium for fucking two long bucks.
I didn't even know.
Maybe I deleted that email.
I wouldn't even care.
Ten bucks, ten, ten kangabucks.
I've been paying.
I've been paying for this about seven times seven United States dollars.
I think I just paid the people directly on Patreon.
I don't use YouTube premium.
So I pay way more than $15 a month like towards YouTubers.
But I just, I mean, relatively directly, Patreon takes like 20% or whatever.
Do they?
Wow.
What do you get to watch the videos on Patreon?
No, I still use YouTube.
I just would prefer.
So you still have to watch the fucking advertisements.
No, I use Brave.
I don't get any ads.
Yeah.
Oh, really?
Is Brave blocking out the YouTube ads?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's great.
I can be seen.
Mate, you block, you block blocks YouTube ads.
Yeah, that too.
You can just block them.
Just do it.
What about on your phone?
Same thing.
Yeah, you just use Brave on my phone.
No ads.
Oh, but you don't use the app.
I mean, I don't use the app.
I use the app.
Yeah.
What about?
It's just that one fucking team who had over and over, isn't it?
Fuck it.
It's just that retarded.
All right.
Stupid fucking 1600 people in your area have bought this bomber jacket for $1 and you're
just like, do I look like the sort of only you can't say that.
But like, I am one of those 1600 people who bought the bomber jacket.
So you do know somebody who did buy that for $1.
I did actually.
I will say until everyone's wearing a bomber jacket.
Two months ago, I did put a team.
I actually bought.
I got sucked into something.
I spent $20.
I got like a huge bag of poorly packed shit.
And then I get they are the most marketed thing I've ever seen in my life.
It's just AliExpress, isn't it?
It's just a shim over AliExpress.
Yeah, but it's insane.
It's crazy.
Like just the amount of like spin this wheel, get 20 bucks off this, that, whatever else.
Like it's constant.
It's unbelievable.
Like I might, if I didn't turn it off, I might get like, I'm not even kidding.
Maybe 40 push notifications a day.
Which sorry, which one?
The team are you the team app?
Maybe.
What?
Shut up.
You do realize they now owned your phone.
They know you're, you need to cycle every single.
They're in a box.
Maybe.
I'm going to give me your email.
Don't do that.
Oh my God.
You know what the worst thing, one of the worst things that ever happened.
Okay.
It's not.
I'm mad.
I was about to say a thing.
I was like, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me.
And I remembered some of the actual worst things that happened to me.
I was like, this is even the same bullpuck.
Anyway, the worst thing that's ever happened to me was as a prank in secondary school,
some bullies at my school signed up for about 10 or 15 dating sites and put my fucking email
because one of my friends had given them my fucking actual email.
I don't fucking know why.
And literally for 10 years after that, I was still getting bullshit.
They just ticked.
It was, I mean, it was a genius evil thing to do.
They just ticked every single box on the interested page, every single box on the semi-marketing.
Yes, you can sell my data.
Fucking A. And just let the fucking floodgates of bullshit.
Like it was like, not even kidding.
It was like 50 emails a day of all sorts of insane, insane, insane email spam.
Genuinely insane.
It only went away just, I think, because all the companies involved gradually went bust.
Like I couldn't in any way stop it.
Like I was into my 20s still just getting insane amounts of spam to that email.
In the end, I just changed emails that obviously that's what I did.
I just, I gave up completely.
It was long gone from that email.
There used to be a couple of really good sites to be doing that too.
I forget what it was.
It used to be like Adam and Eve and a bunch of other ones that like you put your, put
somebody's name email in there and it would, it would sign them up on every single email
form it had.
It was like three or 4,000 email forms or something like that.
But then they started to shut those things down.
Yeah, it was really good because it used to be like as a spam tool.
Like I'm going to use this to be able to test the spam type structure.
And then obviously like, well, I'm going to put the phrase name in here to see what happens.
So yeah, it's auto auto, but now the like it's so much controlled now because you really
can't auto sign anybody up in anything anymore.
Not like, yeah, more fucking, fucking a things, things are better.
The times have changed except for Timo.
We should put the game.
Someone has recently signed me up to wag me ventures.
I started getting spam mail from us too.
I was just talking crap about them.
Wow.
Yeah.
Don't know where that's come from.
Something wasn't me.
I took a shoot like I got a thing about like NFT dating and I was like, how the fuck am I even on this list?
NFT dating was so good.
We have 500 users and we are doing a million plus.
What was it?
Monthly recurring revenue.
I was like, no, you're not yearly.
Okay.
We'll still a million dollar yearly revenue.
Like, no, you're not 50 bucks a month times 500 people or whatever it was.
All paid in Bitcoin by weirdos.
Yeah, baby.
Hey, do you guys hear about the board Ape Yacht Club getting blinded?
No.
Oh, what?
Okay.
All right.
We got to talk about this then.
So, all right.
So the board Ape Yacht Club, board Ape Yacht Club, they held a special event with 2,500 attendees.
And in this event, this rave effectively.
They didn't use standard lighting.
They used unprotected UVB lighting, I want to say.
And so like, happy attendees have their corneas burnt.
They've been blinded.
Like all sorts of crazy nonsense.
Yes.
Was it supposed to be like black lights or something?
But it was something different or is like, oh, yeah.
Yep.
They used UV lights instead of black lights in order to like achieve the same effect.
Yeah.
Unprotected UV lights.
So basically they're doing like, like suntan beds for as their black lights.
Wow.
So there's like thousands of people that have like cornea damage from this.
That's insane.
Was that in the US?
Or was that in like the UK?
Let me check.
I don't know if it was in the US.
It was in the US and people are getting sued.
Can you sue it now?
Maybe you can now.
Maybe you want to back this dude.
On unrelated random spam news.
I got a recruiter email the other day.
Again, not sure how the fuck they got my email, but they did.
Invite me to interview for a CTO job in the Cayman Islands.
And it was for a, I think, literally we can get the bingo card out.
I think it was gambling NFT blockchain, like the trifecta of shit.
DeFi thrown in there.
Yeah.
Hong Kong.
You know, I didn't have a leverage platform.
Yeah.
It was just like, I see why you're at the CABEDs.
I see.
I see now.
When are you interviewing?
I'm moving next week.
Came in the wedges.
I guess.
Okay.
Awesome dollar.
Yeah.
I'm not sure what the tax is.
So the thing is right.
Okay.
I don't want to trash talk about money too much, right?
But I thought that, okay, granted that there's no tax.
So that is big benefit.
I thought given the risk you were taking on with this CTO job.
It's risky area.
Legally.
Everything.
Right.
About it is dodgy.
Like, oh, and just even like a CV, let's say this doesn't work out.
You want to get a regular CTO job plausible.
That's literally what I do when you come back from the Cayman Islands with your
tail between your legs, even on your fucking CV, like you're taking on risk in
that sense with this, with this business, right?
Maybe.
And I thought given all of those factors, I thought the pay was, was a little low.
And also there are plenty of ways of getting a really high paid job and not paying tax.
For example, if you work for NATO, you do not pay tax.
So, you know, yeah.
Really?
Who wants to work for NATO?
Yeah, there's like an international convention on it.
Really?
Yeah.
As long as you're within one of NATO states, you don't pay tax.
Wow.
Okay.
Is NATO also offering a cryptocurrency gambling, blockchain, NFT business that you can work
at?
At the peak of burnout, I did actually look at NATO jobs, but I'm not qualified for any
of them.
Maybe if I, about 15 years ago, used my history and economics to go and do international
relations stuff, I might have been qualified.
I don't know.
But that ship is long sale.
But yeah, it's well paid.
And even like, this is the crazy thing.
If you go for like, essentially like the grad scheme sort of thing where you go and work,
if you come in from another industry, right, you can, there's a different track into NATO
where you come in as an industry professional, but you sort of like go into sort of like a
grad scheme, but for people who've already worked in another area, it was my understanding
of it anyway.
It's like really well paid.
And you like do a year in, I think you do a year in Belgium at the HQ.
They do a year, I think in Virginia.
And then I think you do another one somewhere in Europe.
It might be fair.
No way makes it the year three.
Nobody knows.
Yeah.
I mean, Belgium, I would have no problem spending a year in Belgium.
I would drink a lot of those.
So it's very nice.
I mean, yeah, I would love it.
A lot of, a lot of beer, a lot of chocolate, a lot of cycling.
The winters are bad.
The winters are bad though.
And you know, Belgium's roads are like the worst in Europe.
They're so bad.
Oh, are they?
That I didn't know.
Hot holes.
Like, oh man, I can, like, I've done a lot of bikepacking in Belgium and the classic
one, right?
And it's just cycling along like a minor road and it just sort of turns a little bit gravelly
and then it turns to gravel and then it turns to mud and then it turns to deep mud.
And you're like, what the fuck is this?
And it's like, it's marked as a proper road.
And they just, they go like, how many people go down that a year?
We just will stop maintaining it and see if anybody knows.
It's like a really, like literally, yeah, okay, Belgium people in the chat, you can
feel free to tell me I'm wrong.
But my experience of like taking it, going around rural Belgium with a map and a bike
has been that you do not trust what the map, especially do not trust Google Maps as to
what a road surface should be.
It's a bit of a very beautiful though.
And of course the beer is amazing.
So that is the benefit.
You cycle around rural Belgium.
Every way you stop has an abbey and a local beer and it's a great beer.
And you know, beer is isotonic.
So it's good for exercise recovery.
That's not true.
Is it?
No, it's not true.
Beer lowers your testosterone.
So the new one is isotonic.
Okay.
So in this one realm of like things that can help you recover, it, yep, it slides right
in.
It's like chocolate milk.
It lowers your testosterone, but it gives you a headache.
It makes you perform worse the next day, but it is isotonic.
Perfect.
Amazing.
It does the job.
Sold.
Don't work for him.
If it's a hot day, if it's a hot day and you're sweating, like if you, Belgium summers,
be fair, are quite hot.
Like, you know, like in Germany, how the winds is really cold, but the summers are really
hot, compared to the UK anyway.
No, I don't know that, but great.
Same as the UK.
Because we have the Gulf Streams.
It's quite wet in here.
You might have heard the Britons wet.
That's why.
Wait, Germany doesn't have the Gulf Stream?
That isn't, I figured that because it's pretty close to it that it would, okay.
Anyway, continue.
It's in the sea, isn't it?
And they're like quite inland.