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Like there's plenty of chains out there that do not show this VP issue getting better over time.

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Welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from Independent Validated Teens.

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Hello and welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from Independent Validated Teens.

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You see, it's all about tension and release. That's the secret to comedy.

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I heard that on a comedian's podcast.

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Yes, we do actually listen to podcasts.

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We just don't know how to make one ourselves.

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So yeah, it's been a tiring week, I think.

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Just we've, I guess, for those of us doing the Aptos thing,

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we've been doing a stress network, which has been all fun and games.

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Frustrating.

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Yeah. OK, so I'll clarify, all fun and games is we've been running very,

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very high performance hardware and ostensibly,

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it hasn't actually been helping benchmarking higher numbers.

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But I think that was because there was some kind of a configuration issue,

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which is now maybe resolved.

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We've seen some higher numbers in the last day.

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We have also seen weird hardware failures.

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I mean, I guess that's the point of doing preview networks, right?

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It is. Yeah, I think this this suffers, seems to me, a lot more under stress

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than we did in preview one preview.

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One definitely definitely seemed to be more about the Validator Network.

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Like right now, our alpha Validator, which is in Europe is out.

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It just caught a huge bunch of bunch of props and failed or failed props.

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And now it's not signing and as we speak, so that we're at, I think,

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since it's 5000, 5000 TPS a second, which is really our TPS,

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which is really nothing.

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And then our other one, which is in Utah is still signing.

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Had a couple error.

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I mean, it's it's picking up proposal error.

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So there's a lot more fucking reliance on the full nodes.

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And like, there's a lot of, you know, they're doing a database sharding

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and there's like, there's a lot of changes happening at once.

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And as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with, I don't know, I can't tell.

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Like I'm so tired.

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I was actually so like physically exhausted from trying to troubleshoot

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this and trying to figure out what what the actual issue is.

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And if it's our issue or if it's just like goofy stuff, but we're running

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incredibly expensive and capable hardware that's that I think is doing

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worse than the first preview, which is really frustrating.

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Yeah, it's bizarre.

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Our VFN died, I don't know, half an hour now.

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And all it was like, was like, hey, you're we're not picking up blocks anymore.

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So we're toast.

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And that's basically all they gave.

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And the only solution for it is nuclear database and resync.

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Now, state sync on AppDos is really cool in that it took me like five minutes

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to get back to head from a deleted database, like full, full on completely

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just dated, deleted data directory to current was like five minutes.

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Very, very cool.

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But it's still unfortunate that I was fast and enabled like modern fast sync, right?

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Yes, correct.

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So because when it to clarify when AppDos first started, it was

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think about 16 hours within a month.

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It was about 16 hours on reasonable hardware to do a full sync fast sync,

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maybe an hour or two hours, but fast sync didn't always work.

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But sorry, I interrupted.

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No, yeah.

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I mean, that's kind of that's just it, right?

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Is that they are making impressive strides.

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But the fact that there's so little information about like why the VFN failed

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because CPU usage totally fine.

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Like it was high.

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It was like 80% for an extended period of time, but that doesn't, in my mind,

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that's not nearly sufficient in the node saying, we're done.

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Like I can't say provider as your validator nodes.

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No, it's not.

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But my other VFN is like on the same rack even.

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Yeah, totally fine.

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My, my, I have one set.

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So I was at the same date and touch wood.

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We haven't had any issues yet.

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So I'm kind of wondering if there's something in that.

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I don't know.

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We're kind of lazy in there all.

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Essentially racked in the same place.

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Others are all in the same DC.

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Like, are they?

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This.

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This they're in the same rack.

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And this, this 93 74, this 93 74, which is 3.85 gigahertz, 64 thread has now dropped

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21 props in the last hour.

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So like, and, and that box isn't doing shit.

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It is literally doing nothing.

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Like it's doing nothing.

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So either that is either that is, I don't know what the fuck that is.

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It's really frustrating.

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Like I can tell you what the hell.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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I've said five one, five one terabyte raid, raid zero.

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I mean, it, it benchmarks at like, I think the right speeds was like 15 giga second or

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There's nothing stressed on this at all, like zero stress on any of, any of the

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metrics that we watch here.

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So it's just, it's super frustrating to figure out what that issue is.

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Actually, it reminds me of back in the test net one, when we had this, this AMD

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issue where people were running Intel and we had like no problems.

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of fucking issues.

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Remember that, and we all switched over to like Intel 1200 or something like that.

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And it all went away.

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It all went away.

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But they're like, no, there's nothing with that AMD.

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There's nothing, there's nothing here at all.

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And we're like, there's something here.

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This, this looks exactly like that where like there's like, there's nothing really

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stressing the hardware all.

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I mean, there's set points.

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There's like 11,000 open files or something like that.

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But, but there isn't anything that's like, you look at it and go, oh, this is a massive

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issue that, that looks like something that we can change.

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You know what I mean?

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So it's, it's just a bit, you know, it's a bit annoying.

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That's an understatement.

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It's super fucking.

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So one thing that happened was we knocked out our monitoring, our production monitoring box.

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We sent all, we shipped all the logs from two rigs, three rigs to quite small

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monitoring box and we, we crashed it.

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So that was kind of bad because, you know, it knocked out our production monitoring too.

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So we knocked that off and rebuilt the monitoring on a separate box.

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me, maybe something we misconfigured it, but when we restarted the containers yesterday,

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the logging level, I think went up.

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I think we did change some configuration.

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I think we buggered that up and we've knocked over our second monitoring box, RIP.

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So at the moment, we don't actually have any locks, which is super fucking annoying

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because our dashboard is just blue screen of death for monitoring how the box is

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to do and got alerting in place.

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But we actually also have had an issue with one of the VFNs, which weirdly did

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not trip its alerting.

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Sorry, I only noticed it like in the last hour or so.

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But yeah, it was kind of curious.

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Like I thought, I thought that maybe they're not being in the same DC with the issue.

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And so I kind of thought, is this the same thing that other people are seeing?

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But maybe it is.

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Maybe that's something I'm going to have to dig into after this show.

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But yeah, fun again.

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So this rapidly becoming like a kind of tech support, tech support hour here.

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Where we're just all, we all have the same issue.

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Yes, we are.

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Okay, cool.

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Like I mean, this issue to me doesn't look like it has anything to do with hardware.

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So I think the issue with that is, which is okay.

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Like it's the reason that we have test nets, right?

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But it's sure looks like something fundamentally, something fundamental that,

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that I don't have the skill set to debug.

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So, so if I can't, all I can do is provide data.

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And, and that's fine.

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It's just, it's, it's, and I think that, that the Aptos team is, has some good leads on,

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on kind of what's going on.

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They see different types of things, but it's also tough because you have what we talked about last week,

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there's 120 nodes or something in this network, 126 valid validators and right now.

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And, and some of those are really, really slow.

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And some of those are falling out all the time, right?

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There's like 20%, like right now, about 20% of the network isn't responding.

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And, and so like, how do you separate that, that noise from like signal to say, hey, there's something fundamentally wrong here.

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So I, that, that piece is, it's tough because there's, it's so distributed right now with that, but I think it's difficult to, to be able to bring a voice to that conversation to say, this is the data that I'm seeing and have that be like, oh, this is definitely something that we should be going to look at versus a,

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it just gets bundled into other types of things.

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So, yeah, I appreciated our, our meeting yesterday, our Q&A, because they kind of, they brought up a lot of points that like we were at kind of maybe indirectly asking about in Slack and they're like, okay, these are the things we're actually looking at and these are things we're interested in.

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And it was nice to get at least some sort of finger on the pulse of like, this is what we should actually be reviewing.

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There's all this other stuff they already kind of have a grasp on.

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I do kind of wish uniquely that this previous that we did have a weekly meeting just so we could discuss the recurring issues and ways that we can help them kind of move forward.

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Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah, I think we could push for that too. I think we could, there's no reason for that to wait, you know, until after this is over because Slack is like, it's really tough to actually keep a good thread going in there as well because, because

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what's happening is you have a thread of, you know, a bunch of information and then, and somebody will post something at the, at the main level and there's a ton of stuff up to that information and then people like repost or rethread, you know, repost something that's in the thread and it's a really difficult tool set to be able to kind of build something around like in these areas.

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So, so, so I, yeah, even getting it together and get like some, some, some high level guidance and, and conversation is good. So we'll see what happens right now. It's just, I think it's just right now it's I'm just frustrated.

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But that frustration comes from wanting to be able to do well in this and be able to, and be able to provide the right data and I feel like I'm both of those fronts.

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It's difficult to be able to do that. So, but yeah, like our alpha node came back and it just got booted again, which is freaking crazy to me. It's like literally the fastest chip on the planet.

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In, in a weird way, I feel kind of the opposite about this preview net. The last preview net, I felt like it was less about testing the network and more about testing the operators. And so to me, it felt very frustrating that like we weren't given a lot of information and we didn't know how we're actually being reviewed.

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This preview net, I don't know if it's true or not, but it feels more like they're actually trying to do something. And that's something may or may not be working.

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And for that may or may not be working. I think that this is what the preview net should have been for, right? It's for like, hey, we have something that might be really cool. We might be able to work this out. It's going to be bloody expensive.

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We want to try it. That's what I'm imagining a preview net should have been not the previous one. The previous one to me was just like, I mean, it kind of fell back to the name. The original name was stress net, right?

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Stretched everyone out. That's what that was. This, this feels more akin to what I expected.

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I think that's a really good comment. Yeah, I agree. That was definitely more testing us.

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The last net was particularly stressful as well for anybody that was still on AWS because the hardware requirements were obviously more than mainnet and were eyewateringly expensive.

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Like this, this time round is pretty expensive, but it's definitely more tolerable. As a fun thing, I just checked my...

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Back up for one second. The last preview net had higher specs than this one for AWS?

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No, it had high, it had higher specs than mainnet. So the rig that you had to run if you're on AWS was more expensive than mainnet.

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I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.

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So even procuring on a short-term contract, like pretty expensive high performance boxes from another cloud vendor is substantially cheaper than running a large Kubernetes cluster for a month.

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So the duration was longer. It was like a full month as opposed to half a month. Although actually because of the billing dates, we're going to end up paying for two months of the servers we've got, whatever.

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But it's still a substantial difference in cost, I would say.

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Yeah, so that is less stressful this time around if you were one of those unlucky idiots that is big balls cloud validator.

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So I say as well, actually, because of the PODO, I put my phone on silent, not vibrate a little while ago. The alerting that we have for the preview net isn't on pager duty, it's just a ghetto thing that does it via text notifications.

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And I just looked at my phone, I'd muted it like over an hour ago, and we actually lost both of the VFNs. So yeah, both the vowels are still ticking forward.

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Are they signing?

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The vowels are, I think. Well, they're on Epoch, like whatever we are. We're on 480 something, right?

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Yeah, I mean, they're, I think we're sticking up, but are they actually proposing though?

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The Epoch is 480, isn't it? 4806 right now.

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486, yeah.

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486, yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah. So the vowels, the vowels are there. No, it's gone.

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Right now, one of my validators is reporting that there's 73% vowel participation. So this might actually halt here in a second.

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And my one keeps bouncing in and out. Anyway, going to close this fucking dashboard.

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But it keeps saying peers are like fuckery bands eye.

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Yeah, I'm staying. All right, I'm closing this fucking dashboard. I don't want to look at this guy.

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But I would say, you know, one other thing about the original pre-vnit was that Dr. Frey had on, I'm not a doctor for five years and that stuff to do a lot of work before then.

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But anyway, drink, I've had to do a bunch of research on modern consensus algorithms.

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In this context, right? And I was reading the Tusk-Nawal paper, which has a bunch of like benchmarks.

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And at the end, also hilarious aside.

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Tusk-Nawal is at this end. If you try and replicate any of these benchmarks using AWS, you will spend a lot of money.

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So be careful. This is like at the end of an academic paper, just like an FYI.

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Okay, some academic tried to replicate it with an AWS free tier account and cost themselves $120,000 or something, which kind of tickled me.

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But what they were actually doing, what the Aptos first stress net was, was actually the implementation of that, which they'd already always intended on doing.

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So that was pretty interesting because that's like essentially that paper getting ousted into the wild and being used in production.

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And in theory, that will scale. Well, the lab test is something like 600,000 transactions a second of heterogeneous real world transactions, I think off the top of my head with quite a large file set.

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So it's interesting to kind of see where they might be going with that technology, I suppose.

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But I'm not sure where this is the thing about not having so much context this time.

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I'm not really actually sure where this particular stress net, where this particular, sorry, preview net, what the software under test, what the big changes, like the big change last time, obviously was Narwhal Tusk.

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Consensus Store, I think was the name that they used for it.

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Or the very least was, very least it was Narwhal. I'm not sure about Tusk, but I think it was Narwhal Tusk.

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But yeah, I'm not 100% sure what it is this time. Though to be fair, they did only write up the stuff last time.

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All of what they're actually testing, they didn't write that up properly in a way that was sort of well easy to digest, I suppose, until after it was done.

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So maybe they're going to do that.

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But because I remember it was still quite opaque last time at this point, it was like, what are we actually testing?

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We're just flicking flags on and off and spending a lot of money.

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Is it going well? Are these flags making machine go burr?

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It's hard to say.

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It's a good question because I know that obviously the sharding piece was one part of this release here, which I don't know if that's any effect or not, honestly. I mean, they don't have the details to understand that.

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Because I was actually looking at that also after doing a little bit more and understanding how ROX DB worked on that type of shard structure and what makes most sense in terms of where those shards should sit and pathways and all that kind of stuff.

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And some things I definitely see, which is like the number of actual open connections to those shards and how many processes are writing to them and all that kind of stuff.

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But I don't know if this performance issue that we've seen in these bursts, which I think are still less than what we had in PreviewNet 1, are those related to that change?

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And I think all the money that I mentioned in the call, Toby said, there's like from PreviewNet 1 to now, there's been so much additional changes in this binder. It's not even the same thing. Right? And there's like the architectural differences and just the functionality and everything else is so different that you can't really look at apples to apples, which totally makes sense to me.

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But yeah, I don't know. Well, I guess we'll maybe we'll find out a little bit more either in these weekly calls or at the end if we can get to a point. But yeah, I don't know.

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Can you hear my frustration?

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We can hear your frustration.

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I don't know.

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You just you just you just see broken by this.

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I am a bit.

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I am a bit.

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I mean, I have to be honest, the prospect of troubleshooting and bringing back up to VFNs after this has really put a dampener on my evening.

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The VFNs, obviously, I mean, that's that's super simple. Just basically now, like now you can do it in two commands is delete that database and make sure that that state sync them there and restart like that.

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That VFN syncs in like less than three minutes.

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Like it's like right there. Oh, yeah, put that state sync what Schultz he had in there.

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That state sync structure, delete the database restarted. It'll be done like three minutes since it's bad.

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It's great. It's great.

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The same thing. Was this the state sync you posted on Discord?

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Yeah, you don't need to modify anymore.

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He said that the new binary that we upgraded to yesterday actually has that as the default now.

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Oh, it does.

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Delete it restart it.

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That's cool.

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Yep.

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That's quite cool.

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So that didn't work for you.

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So that was down dash V and and Docker compose up.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's matters.

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Yeah, very cool.

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I've changed my I've changed my mind. Automation is amazing.

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It's incredible.

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You're the best bit as well. I there is now simple task for that. So it could literally be ads will play look just playbook recycle colon latest for life.

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Right.

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Never use never never use actual tags as fuck it just colon latest down up.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That means no, no, no, no, no, we actually the level of paranoia is hard.

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And the the versions and whatnot are actually hard coded into a compose file because then it means that you can't screw up passing environment via shell or any other.

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There's nothing that can float around in your session that might change what it is.

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There's only editing the file that tells you what the state of the world should be.

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When that file changes, the demon will go, oh, hold up. There've been changes just like changing a what's the like changing a system D file or whatever, you know, it says like, you know, whoa, there've been changes to this unit file.

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Yeah, you know, you should do something about that because you're a professional and you go, ah, yeah.

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Okay. All right.

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I'll treat you.

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One.

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Yeah, let's talk more aptos because I think this is giving all really entertained.

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It's keeping all awake, I think.

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You know, I quit having coffee this week and I just fucking can't hear anything you're saying anyway.

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So you look particularly broken this morning.

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Yeah, look at the bags under your eyes.

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I am so fucked.

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What are you doing?

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Just stop drinking coffee.

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Why?

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It's like someone has just walked around with a bat next to me and just fucking wailed on my head for like the last few days.

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Stop drinking beer too.

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That's what is going on.

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So my body is just readjusting into a like I'm like a ghoul now.

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I just like like, did you go around a hundred percent methamphetamines or what?

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Like, what are you doing?

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I just like fucking need some.

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That's how it works, I think, right?

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Yeah, you gotta need some gear.

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No drugs at all?

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Are you like drug free now?

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No, Ains anymore.

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I got no Ains.

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No Ains.

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No caffeine.

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Why?

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Man, that's tough.

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You haven't given us the why yet and I need to know.

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I just, I don't like, you're all coffee drinkers, right?

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Long term coffee drinkers.

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Have you ever stopped before?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's horrible.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, but after the horrible goes, then like it's a little bit better.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Better than what?

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Better than the horrible part?

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Yes.

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So I already like the best of times, like when I was a teenager, I used to have this periodic

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insomnia.

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And then when I started working for the first few years, I have like six and then I think

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at one point I was on 10 cups of coffee a day.

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And I was like, I was getting to like one in the morning, like working on shit after work,

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my own shit.

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And then like two in the morning and being like, I just don't feel tired.

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And then when I finally was like totally exhausted, like right time for bed and I lie down like

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feeling totally bodily exhausted and just be like, and yet, and yet and yet and yet and

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yet and yet and yet something is not letting me sleep.

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And like a normal person in their twenties, I just dealt with that for several years and

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just kept burning the candle at both ends.

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And then I'd like a fucking idiot just woke up one morning and went, hang on a minute.

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I wonder if it's because I'm having 10 cups of coffee a day.

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And it's actually like impossible to adjust to that much caffeine.

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No, it's possible to adjust to that much caffeine.

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So yeah, like I gradually just started knocking like, like how you deal with a baby sleeping,

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right?

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You just start knocking out naps.

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I just started knocking out coffees until I'm replacing them with first tea because

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it's got way less caffeine, but it's still got some.

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And then after I went backpacking in China, where it's actually much harder to get coffee,

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especially in rural China, I kind of at most places you would be able to find someone somewhere

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to get a coffee maybe in the morning, but it was kind of a ballache.

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And I ended up going down to two coffees like morning and lunch and then green tea for the

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rest of the day.

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And then I just kept that routine when I came home.

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Like the first few days I was in China, I was in a fucking state.

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I let you, I know it's jet lagged as well.

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I just, I was so fucked.

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I was just wandering around Beijing just like, fuck, I'm so tired.

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But it ended up being for the best, I think.

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I can sleep.

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I feel like once you get over that tiredness and headaches, like I feel like you're just

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more like of a more leveled out to a degree.

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I don't know.

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I feel like you're sort of, I don't know, you end up drinking too much coffee and I'm

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getting to the point where I like the coffee is getting a bit much.

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So I just sort of best to just stop for a while and it's not going well at the moment.

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But you know, yesterday I had some, I had to bump an afternoon meeting because I like,

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I had some meetings in the morning and did some work in the morning.

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You know, like I went to the gym at 10 and I came back from the gym at midday and I was

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supposed to have a meeting at 1 30 and I just couldn't come back.

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I was done.

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I had to lay down on the couch and have a sleep.

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I had to call them up and say, can we move the meeting till tomorrow?

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I'm wrecked.

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I can't do anything.

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So yeah, I don't know.

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You're not ill as well because this sounds like it could be like overtraining, lack of

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iron, COVID, any number of additional things.

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I have not been great the last couple of weeks, but I don't think it's like COVID.

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How often you get in the gym?

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I'm not overtraining.

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And you said that last time, you're like, sounds like you're overtraining me.

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He was like, I am not.

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I'm only working out every single day.

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By the way, I'm also not overtraining.

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Yeah, I'm also not overtraining.

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You definitely get enough iron because that's another like dead obvious.

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I do actually, I don't eat as much.

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I used to eat a steak every day.

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I don't eat as much steak these days, but probably.

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What the fuck?

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Just make broccoli soup, you Neanderthal.

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That's a lot of meat.

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Yeah.

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A steak a day is going to make you dick fall off.

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Broccoli soup.

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Broccoli is like the highest, I think it's the highest iron vegetable.

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And it will also help you shit better because it's, you know, five.

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If anybody asked me if I work out, I'm going to say I'm not overtraining.

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I got overtraining.

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Immediately.

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I love that answer.

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I'm totally exhausted.

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I look like crap.

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I'm having to work out.

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I'm not overtraining.

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Emotional decisions.

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I'm not overtraining.

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I'm not overtraining.

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I'm not overtraining.

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I'm not overtraining.

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I'm not overtraining.

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I'm not overtraining.

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You look like you're overtraining.

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But yesterday, definitely I was knocked out by a nervous system thing after training

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was hit a nice PB yesterday.

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Because you're a major after.

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But yeah, anyway, so is your, was your caffeine coffee intake shots like espresso or is it

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like just brew?

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Oh, I just, just like, just like a pot of coffee.

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Oh, yeah.

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All right.

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Cause it's like, we don't have drip.

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So it's just like, the lately I've been drinking just instant because I haven't really

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been leaving the house other than to work or go to the gym.

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Cause you've been overtraining.

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There's not much caffeine in that, isn't it?

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Yeah, no, it's less than a coffee has.

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How does that mean for you?

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Yeah, but I'm like, you know, a tablespoon of coffee in my cup.

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If you drink it without milk, it is quite aggressive.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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How's your, how's your sex drive been?

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What?

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It's another classic sign of overtraining is your libido changes because of your, your

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iron level goes down and your testosterone level goes down.

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Oh man.

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So we should try getting to this.

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I'm literally reading a book about this right now and Noel, I sent it to you on the chat.

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It's called burn and boys.

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It's so good.

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I didn't realize you just sent it to me now.

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Yeah.

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And the discord, the discord chat.

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Dude, you had such a perfect opportunity to answer.

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I'm not overtraining to that, to that question.

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And you missed it.

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I can't just answer everything with a note.

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I'm trying to,

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How's your sex life?

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Not overtraining.

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I'm not overtraining.

447
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,920
Not a tumor.

448
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,920
Copy.

449
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,920
Yeah.

450
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,320
I'm overtraining there though.

451
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,080
So, uh, what is it?

452
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,080
Was that it?

453
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,080
Like, was that like a flex?

454
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,080
Yeah.

455
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,080
Yeah.

456
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,080
Yeah.

457
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Yeah, man.

458
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,920
I'll, I'll, I'm sure you're knocking it out with your, your, your baggy eyes and your

459
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,920
three, your 3pm naps.

460
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,920
I'm sure.

461
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,520
I'm sure you just laid it out.

462
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,720
Well, I, it's like ultra baggy right now.

463
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,360
They look, they look like you got beat up.

464
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,880
Man, I, he's like, no, I was lost.

465
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,880
I was out of here.

466
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,880
It was a long bus.

467
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,880
I was out of here for my fingers.

468
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,880
I was out.

469
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,880
Your whole brain just froze.

470
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,880
I was counting the hours.

471
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,880
Yeah.

472
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,880
I slept about nine hours last night.

473
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,280
It's a, I've been drinking shitloads of water.

474
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,960
I've been eating fucking like salad and chicken and yogurt and apples and fucking bananas

475
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,960
and shit.

476
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,280
So how many sticks a day?

477
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,040
You don't have to like, no, no, I haven't had steak in a fair while.

478
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,280
I do have two melting in the fridge at the moment though.

479
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,480
So two stakes for dinner tonight.

480
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,480
Maybe.

481
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:25,320
Well, I think your motivation is wrong.

482
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:31,480
I think that there's differences between having a little caffeine and no caffeine.

483
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,560
Think about life is about moderation that.

484
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,080
What's wrong with having extreme.

485
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,560
I was like, is there something wrong with that in my, I think we just talked about

486
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,040
for the last 15 minutes.

487
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,000
All of, all or nothing is a very strange way of living life.

488
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,520
I think you serve as right.

489
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,400
Did I see a tea bag in that cup though?

490
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,400
Yeah.

491
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,080
This is not a caffeine tea.

492
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,280
This is a ginger tea.

493
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,280
Got it.

494
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,280
Okay.

495
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,800
I was going to say, you realize a lot of tea has the same or more caffeine than coffee,

496
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,040
but okay, it's a ginger tea.

497
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,040
All right.

498
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,200
I'll back off for a moment.

499
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:07,560
So I've given up coffee once before in my life when I, I moved back to my hometown from

500
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,680
when I was working in mines and when I was working in mines, I was drinking, I was, I

501
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,000
was on the fray type fucking coffee schedule.

502
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,680
I was like nine or 10, um, espresso's a day out of this coffee machine.

503
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,680
Yeah.

504
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,680
Yeah.

505
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:21,680
Yeah.

506
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,680
Well, I didn't have problems sleeping cause I would never have coffee after two in the

507
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,560
afternoon, but I was like heavily addicted to coffee.

508
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,200
My breath smelled like coffee all the time and like, you know, fucking it was shit.

509
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:41,600
So I went cold turkey on that and every day, man, for like three months, I had a fucking

510
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,600
headache.

511
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,120
Um, it took a long time to adjust after I haven't had headaches in the last couple of

512
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,920
days on this time around, but that first time, man, I was fucking headaches galore.

513
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,000
But, um, after it all finally settled down, like I felt great until I started drinking

514
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,000
coffee again.

515
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,000
Well, I mean, it still felt great, but, but you know, like is, it was pretty good.

516
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,880
Like I'd wake up at exactly the same time every day.

517
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,000
Um, schedule was better.

518
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,920
I was like more level throughout the day.

519
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,920
Yeah.

520
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:13,920
So I don't know.

521
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,840
I'm kind of chasing that high again.

522
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,000
So see if that works.

523
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,600
When I was pulling, when I was, cause I have an espresso machine, when I was pulling shots

524
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,200
and like do like you do like two, like a double shot of americano and I would do like three

525
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,960
of those in a day and three of those double shots, like six shots, like that would, right

526
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,960
really?

527
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,720
Then I was, I would have, like I would have huge withdrawals from that.

528
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,440
Like I would be able to go through the day and it wasn't a big deal.

529
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,080
And then you kind of make that gradual transition between, between coffee to like water to alcohol.

530
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,520
Like there's like a, you know, you got some, you got some humps in there.

531
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,520
Right.

532
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,520
You got like no, like there's a graph.

533
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,520
I gotta find this graph.

534
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,020
I'll put a graph and show notes.

535
00:31:51,020 --> 00:31:54,040
Amazing graph around caffeine, alcohol intake and like how you can back bounce it up.

536
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,360
Um, but then I moved, I moved away from that because like if I didn't eat, I'd get the

537
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,360
shakes and shit.

538
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,840
And then if he didn't have like the next day, if he didn't have caffeine, like you, you

539
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,360
get like, I'd get like a splitting height, like headache or migraine or something.

540
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,040
And then I just went to drip, like just like a, like I was just brewing pots and then,

541
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:14,120
but now I'm, I'm finishing a pot a day, but that pot is probably like 10 small cups.

542
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,760
So it's like out of like a real coffee cup.

543
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,280
It's probably like three or three and a half maybe.

544
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,840
I don't know, something like that.

545
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,800
It's not like incredible, but it's a decent amount of caffeine, but at least it's enough

546
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,640
where it's balanced where if I skip a day, I don't get like massive headaches and all

547
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,760
that kind of stuff.

548
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,760
So

549
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,960
I still quite a lot of coffee though.

550
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,960
Oh yeah.

551
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,960
It's definitely a lot of coffee for sure.

552
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Yeah.

553
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,240
Cause I'll still have a couple of like, like, especially when we're in

554
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,040
Wrapping team two coffees a day, like one, but when we're in Barcelona, the same type

555
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,720
of thing, like, like I would, like that was pretty common.

556
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,680
Like we get up, like we have a couple of cups right at the house and then we go out and

557
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,200
I get a shot somewhere.

558
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,200
And then like, like you and me and Jeff, like we'd walk the streets and like two o'clock,

559
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,200
like let's go get a shot.

560
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,200
Like, like, right?

561
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,200
Like you would just pull it.

562
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,200
Like you just do it.

563
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,200
I need a shot at 2pm.

564
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Like that was, that's pretty common.

565
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,040
Like I sent it like a little hit.

566
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,040
Yeah.

567
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,760
But, but like that's the, oh yeah.

568
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,760
It's not unreasonable.

569
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,760
It's not unreasonable at all.

570
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,760
Like I think, I think if you, if you have like that much less, like you do, like obviously

571
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,240
I'm biased and obviously I'm going to just like stand the position that I've decided

572
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,040
to take because that's how life works.

573
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,040
But like, I don't know.

574
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,360
I feel like I enjoy it a little bit more now.

575
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,360
Like it's more of a treat.

576
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,560
Like I get to do it once a day and like there's such a measure.

577
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,040
And the other thing is like there's such an impact.

578
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,000
You have a double espresso in the morning when that is your main cup.

579
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,480
That is possibly your only coffee of the day.

580
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,960
And you wake up and you're like, kill me now.

581
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Bleary eye, checking your phone, all the usual crypto nonsense, right?

582
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,160
And then that first sip of coffee, you're like, it's going to be all right.

583
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,160
It's going to be fine.

584
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,160
It's going to be fine.

585
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,160
Instantly you're like, I'm going to be fine.

586
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,560
Wouldn't you rather just like wake up and already feel like, yeah, you don't.

587
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,560
It's Thursday.

588
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,560
It's good.

589
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,560
You don't.

590
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,280
You get black, black coffee and then ideally do an interval on the bike.

591
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,080
That was like my COVID routine and it felt really good.

592
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,640
Unfortunately, I can't do that anymore because baby.

593
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,360
So it's cup of coffee, deal with admin, yada, yada.

594
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,200
What you going to do?

595
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,200
Are you a stay at home dad at the moment?

596
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:22,760
No, no, I go into the office, but I do pick up in the afternoon from nursery.

597
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:28,000
And I do to be fair, I have one day a week where I am a stay at home dad because nursery

598
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,000
is really expensive.

599
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000
Yeah, it's crazy.

600
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000
It's crazy expensive.

601
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,920
It's like the price of a mortgage.

602
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,920
It's fucking bananas.

603
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,920
Yeah.

604
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:42,280
I don't actually know how people afford to have two kids would be my review of how expensive

605
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,280
nursery is.

606
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,280
I don't know how we would do.

607
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,280
Somebody stops working.

608
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,280
That's how it happens.

609
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,280
Yeah.

610
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,000
Like doesn't someone just like stay with the kids if you can do that?

611
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,000
If you can do that.

612
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,520
Otherwise, you, I think you struggle for a bunch of years while you have daycare and

613
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,440
then hopefully you have school that picks up like full day kindergarten is usually the,

614
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,120
you get a lot of people doing full day kindergarten, but before it used to be like mostly half

615
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,120
day.

616
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,120
That's five.

617
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,520
So you get the first five years, you really, you really got to push it.

618
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,520
Yeah.

619
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,640
I think if we wanted to, we'd literally have to wait to one was in school to be able to

620
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,640
afford it.

621
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,640
Yeah.

622
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,840
And even that like first grade even is like what, 830 to two or something like that, 230

623
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,840
or something.

624
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,840
So it's not like it's a full day.

625
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,520
I think here it's 830 to four.

626
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,520
Really?

627
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,520
Four o'clock?

628
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Yeah.

629
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,520
Just straight like school to school.

630
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:35,040
I think they might stop the kind of lessons at a time, but I don't think, I don't think

631
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,720
you pick them up that early.

632
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:39,200
I could be wrong.

633
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,200
Maybe I am.

634
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,200
And I'm going to find that out.

635
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,200
You're going to find it out pretty soon, right?

636
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,200
In three years time.

637
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,200
But yeah.

638
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:50,120
So Rama says that two kids three days a week in Australia is roughly the average Australian's

639
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,040
beer budget.

640
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,040
That is dirt cheap.

641
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,040
That's fucking bullshit.

642
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,800
There's no way it's actually that cheap.

643
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,800
Yeah.

644
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,560
We do actually spend more than that on beer.

645
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,160
Two kids three days a week, $300 RC.

646
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,160
What's that?

647
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,160
That's 200.

648
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,160
That's 200.

649
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,000
A United States.

650
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Stullery does.

651
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Yeah.

652
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,000
Okay.

653
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,200
So yeah, that's cheaper than the UK, but not like loads cheaper.

654
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,200
So what?

655
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,080
It's so nice being like living in the freedom states and experiencing freedom.

656
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:28,200
We don't, you don't get any help really until the kids three.

657
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,680
Oh, heavily subsidized by the government.

658
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,680
All right.

659
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:31,680
Well, that could be the case.

660
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,240
Cause right now, I mean, if you did two kids three days, that's six days, six mandates,

661
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:39,040
six kid days at what eight hours a day is 48 hours.

662
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,680
$300 divided by 48 is an average price of $6 an hour.

663
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,680
Yeah.

664
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,080
That would be something like $2,000 in the UK.

665
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,080
Two kids three days a week.

666
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,360
That would be four times that here.

667
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,360
Yeah.

668
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,360
Easily.

669
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,480
Let me get to the, like it was easily 25 bucks an hour a kid, right?

670
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,600
It easily actually.

671
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,760
Government subsidized daycare is a pretty good thing.

672
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,880
I mean, there's studies that prove that like for every dollar they put into government

673
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,520
subsidized, one healthcare childcare, but also like school lunches, you get like $4 to

674
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,640
$6 in terms of like, right?

675
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:13,640
Or just GDP, right?

676
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,400
You just, you're adding to GDP because people are not dealing with healthcare costs.

677
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,400
So 1800.

678
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:25,400
What do you have to say to $1850 is what two kids three days a week would cost where we

679
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,200
are in the UK, which isn't even the most expensive place.

680
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,680
Pounds or dollars?

681
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,680
Dollars.

682
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,680
$1850.

683
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,680
I just converted what it would cost.

684
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,200
That seems more likely.

685
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,200
Yeah.

686
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,320
That's kind of what it costs here.

687
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,160
But the, so there's a really interesting thing.

688
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,160
I know we're not talking about crypto at all here, but whatever.

689
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,160
Great.

690
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,160
I love it.

691
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:53,360
So, you know, France, their childhood obesity is some of the lowest in Europe and I think

692
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,440
probably in the developed world.

693
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,240
And it's largely tied, at least the explanation in the theory is, right?

694
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:07,960
It's largely tied to early years nutrition because that's a strong indicator of not being

695
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:14,320
obese later in life, right? And what's really, really interesting and sad, right, is that

696
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:22,880
that tenet of the kind of the state's provision of sort of child welfare has sort of slackened

697
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:23,880
off over time.

698
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:31,040
And you can literally see like the obesity level then like with like a 10 year lag or

699
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,040
whatever start to pick up towards the European average.

700
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,080
And you're like, what are you doing?

701
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,200
Like literally, what are you doing?

702
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,200
It's insane.

703
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,200
Like you have a relatively healthy food culture and you're throwing it away.

704
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:49,080
In the UK, like child poverty is super bad because there's not really a lot of support

705
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,480
for early years stuff.

706
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,760
It's very like rich people have nannies and all that other shit and they just, they're

707
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,760
like everybody else can just fucking work it out.

708
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,520
So it's just not a poly...

709
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,440
And there's this kind of like streak of meanness where people are kind of like, like as a person's

710
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,520
responsibility or whatever I think is like what some people think.

711
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,240
And then I don't know if people...

712
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:09,920
It is weird.

713
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,160
I don't really know who votes for things, right?

714
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,600
Because the statistics show that a lot of people would be affected by that policy.

715
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,960
And yet a lot of people vote for the party that is not going to help them by continuing

716
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,440
that policy and keeping their children in poverty.

717
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,120
I mean, that's like the story's oldest time, right?

718
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,120
Yeah.

719
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,640
Not to be kind of sending about it.

720
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:36,280
It's just, I think it's more me being resigned to the reality of like, okay, so you're not

721
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,000
getting something you need and you're saying you need it and you're angry that you don't

722
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,120
have it and then you're going to vote for the person that actively takes away from you.

723
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,440
Like is that, that doesn't...

724
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,440
It's very...

725
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:54,440
I think a lot of those things, like you see them and they're very ashamed of my country.

726
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,280
Like childhood policy statistics is like one of those things where you're like, this is

727
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,200
shameful.

728
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,880
I saw something else that made me ashamed the other day, which was I was in the city

729
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:09,560
and I saw somebody walking between traffic, begging at cars, which I previously have only

730
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,680
seen while backpacking in the third world.

731
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,440
And I've not seen that in a British city before.

732
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,840
And I was like, really?

733
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,800
That's like super mega common here.

734
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,840
I've seen it in like every major city.

735
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,840
Oh yeah.

736
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,840
Oh yeah.

737
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,960
In Portland, like every single street corner, every single one.

738
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,440
Now granted, Portland's a little unique in how bad it is.

739
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,440
But oh yeah.

740
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,800
I don't know, maybe it's just like the...

741
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,040
Yeah, I don't know.

742
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,080
I think that kind of begging, I don't think I've really seen...

743
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,080
Yeah, whatever.

744
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,080
I don't know.

745
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,360
Somebody correct me if they've seen it before in the UK, I don't know.

746
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:47,400
My Xabix wonderful server monitoring is telling me that the load average of my validator full

747
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,480
nodes on Aptos are too high because the CPU load is over 1.5 and right now my current

748
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,480
load is 150.

749
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,120
Okey dokey then.

750
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,040
Kind of blew it out there, brother.

751
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,640
So by the way, you're 100X over what our threshold is.

752
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,640
Thanks.

753
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,200
Yeah, maybe I should restart those VFNs that are fucked over here.

754
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,520
That just means you up the threshold, baby.

755
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,520
No shit.

756
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,000
I need to because everything I run is at 1.5.

757
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000
What the fuck is that?

758
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,000
That's nothing.

759
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,520
That thing's not showing a load of 30.

760
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,160
It's not paying the fucking bills.

761
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,160
Let's go.

762
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:27,280
I'm going to do draw a tweet of the week and then I'm going to go restart these nodes

763
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,280
during the show because...

764
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,280
No, we only have 40 minutes.

765
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,280
You've already ignored it for four hours.

766
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,280
That seems like a plan.

767
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,280
Right.

768
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,840
Short C is you this time.

769
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,840
Say when?

770
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,840
Stop the first one.

771
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,000
Stop the first one?

772
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,000
First one.

773
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000
We are in the section, mayor.

774
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,560
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

775
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,200
I want the very first tweet in the book.

776
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,200
Nice.

777
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,200
Oh.

778
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,040
Numero uno, baby.

779
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,320
Nice.

780
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,000
I just turned to the first page.

781
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,480
It's not a tweet, but the dedication at the front of the book reads, this book is dedicated

782
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,880
to everyone who has ever died.

783
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,600
And only the letter O in one is capitalized.

784
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,600
That's pretty funny.

785
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Okay.

786
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:18,840
So the first tweet in the entire book is in the section animals and it reads, animals

787
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,920
can have spirit animals too.

788
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,920
It works.

789
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:24,920
Okay.

790
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,160
You know, FYI, in case you were sleeping.

791
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,760
There are actually some very good tweets on the second page.

792
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,240
I fear my tropical fish no longer respect me after I accidentally stumbled backwards and

793
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,360
smushed my asshole right up against their $3,000 tank.

794
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,360
That's so satisfying.

795
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,440
That feels like the outdoor stress net right there.

796
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,120
I feel like my infrastructure provider no longer respects me.

797
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,440
They use the terms smushed.

798
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,440
Is that what it was?

799
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,800
It was a smushed my asshole or smashed.

800
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Smushed is perfect.

801
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,160
You know, I got to say about this preview net.

802
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,760
It was kind of fun watching people scramble and then infrastructure providers being like,

803
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,840
Hey, do you know we're getting in stock like in two weeks?

804
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,320
It's in Chicago.

805
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,320
How do you like that?

806
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,840
I mean, like, yeah, man, I don't care just because they knew that we were part of Aptos

807
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,400
and that they were everyone was seeking like the 92 74.

808
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,360
I got like six messages from infrastructure providers, like cherry service message being

809
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,560
also like, yeah, I'll get the same shit.

810
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:31,560
Yeah.

811
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,560
Hey, brother, how do they know?

812
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,560
I don't know.

813
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,200
I'm guessing someone had meetings of like, Hey, I'm trying to find this server at this

814
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,200
price or whatever.

815
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,240
Then someone else happened and then it just kind of fucking drug dealers, man.

816
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,240
I know exactly right.

817
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,160
It's like, Hey, Hey, you got that thing you're looking for?

818
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,520
I got I got a little bit.

819
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,960
I'll give you 20 minutes on the 94 74 F.

820
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:58,080
If you want it, yeah, free, free, first 15 minutes, free first 15 minutes.

821
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,080
Run your Ansible.

822
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,080
Do some, do some stats.

823
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,080
Let me know.

824
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,080
Only 1200 a month.

825
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,280
See how quickly your Ansible script executed.

826
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,000
200 a month.

827
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,680
Run some stats.

828
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:16,400
So I just recently moved my Zabix to like a server in Sydney.

829
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,840
Oh my God, my experience is a lot better now.

830
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,600
What was it before?

831
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:26,160
I never realized like how much lag there was like when I'd load pages and shit.

832
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,520
And just like it being near me is just so much better.

833
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,000
I took a second of latency out of my monitoring and yeah, like I click a button and it just

834
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,880
comes up right away.

835
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,760
Instead of like, Hello, hello, how are you today?

836
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:43,760
Here's some credits.

837
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,680
Here's some fucking certificates.

838
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,680
Oh, okay.

839
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,680
Very good.

840
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,680
Good day.

841
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,680
Here's some data.

842
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:57,240
But yeah, man network latency in real time.

843
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,480
You heard it here first.

844
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,480
Does make a difference.

845
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,480
All right.

846
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,480
You want to do some news?

847
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,600
So, well, I was going to say somebody, somebody who mentioned the coffee, was it you said

848
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,520
I mentioned the coffee, beer, uh, curbs.

849
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,520
Transition.

850
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,520
Yeah.

851
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,840
Well, there's a caffeine curve, which is like a popular meme, but yeah, there's, but

852
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,680
there's also like a second one, which is like, so a little, a little segue from that

853
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:18,680
one.

854
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,040
And a little follow up, I guess from last week is like, you might have heard of the

855
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,920
Bulma curve.

856
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:30,040
And we, we were obviously talking about the psychotherapy thing from last week.

857
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,760
The link is in the show notes.

858
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,120
One of the funny corollaries of that is that obviously we, we had a little chuckle about

859
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,120
Jay's tirade.

860
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:47,600
But Jay also linked a new thread entirely to dump Cosmos drama in the history of Cosmos

861
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,720
drama, as he called it, I believe.

862
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,920
And that thread is amazing.

863
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,120
It's the thread that keeps on giving.

864
00:45:54,120 --> 00:46:03,160
But there's somebody who is like a different kind of Cosmos truther, but maybe just the

865
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,720
same level of intense kind of swings into the chat at one point and just fires off a

866
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:07,840
bunch of questions.

867
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,240
One of them is about the technical competency of a bunch of prominent people in the cosmos.

868
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:17,360
One of them is Jacob G. And amongst other things, Jay fires back.

869
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,760
Jacob G as a manager is a great idea if you're drunk.

870
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:27,320
And then Jacob G appears in the chat and then responds by saying, by essentially saying

871
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,920
like, Oh, are we talking about the Bulma peak?

872
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,240
Well, maybe.

873
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:35,760
And the thread is just, it's so wild.

874
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,760
It's so great.

875
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,240
It's just every character that you know and love being the character that you know and

876
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:42,240
love.

877
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,320
And so I recommend that as a follow on read.

878
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,360
That's my follow up on that thread on the Cosmos forum.

879
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,120
Enjoy that much, Lee.

880
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,240
There's a lot in this.

881
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:57,880
I've never looked at this Cosmos forum before, but it's like the same 12 names constantly

882
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,120
bickering and arguing against each other.

883
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,120
Is that really what this is?

884
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,920
Yeah, just Rahmer and Bendy arguing.

885
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:03,920
There's a lot in this.

886
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,920
I guess it's one of our news items.

887
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,960
Looking at a thread on here about our understanding of the Cosmos hub mempool issues, which our

888
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,840
newsman not on the behest of Game of Nodes, we should state publicly on the behest of

889
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:17,840
Game of Nodes.

890
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,040
No, not on the best.

891
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,080
Somehow I guess broke Cosmos or something.

892
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,080
New bond issue.

893
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,080
Did something.

894
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,840
Yeah, the description of the exploit is in the sheet.

895
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:29,840
Yeah.

896
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,440
So you just do IBC transactions with, it's crazy.

897
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,440
Yeah, I just realized it was really large in MemoFields.

898
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,720
Well, I mean, it's in the public domain, right?

899
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:37,720
It's happening now.

900
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,520
So you just do IBC transactions with really large MemoFields?

901
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,960
Is that kind of the, that's the wrinkle brand approach of breaking IBC?

902
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,440
Is that it?

903
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,440
Yep.

904
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,720
Which took down five validators.

905
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,880
So why would it just be five?

906
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,200
It was just the ones who were going to probably...

907
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,000
Oh, it's a hard way.

908
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,000
Oh, shoot.

909
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:05,480
So it's like the original, on a really early version of Cosmos, you could do a very similar

910
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,480
type of attack.

911
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:14,120
And you may remember in one of the Astarty networks, we took down the entire Valset.

912
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,920
It was either Lucina or Astarty, I can't remember which.

913
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,200
We took down the Valset with a really, really similar attack.

914
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,000
And it was the code for it was unbelievably noddy.

915
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:31,240
I think it was literally a rust buff with the whole of Moby Dick posted into it.

916
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:32,240
And then...

917
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:33,240
No, I'm not even kidding.

918
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:37,000
I think it was literally the whole of Moby Dick as a static string.

919
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:44,720
And then it was just like, essentially send this payload multiplied by a big integer.

920
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:49,680
And then we just ran it on a local machine, found the biggest number that would work as

921
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,680
a multiplier before the gas meter said, whoa, what the fuck is this?

922
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:01,240
And if you went one number below that, it would just anybody with bad RAM or not sufficient

923
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:07,240
RAM would get absolutely wrecked by the size of the string coming down the pipe.

924
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:11,040
Not only the string coming down the pipe, but the string coming down the pipe multiple

925
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,520
times, just over and over and over into the mempool.

926
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:21,480
I think might have actually been a relation of the same issue, but anyway, nostalgia,

927
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,480
that one.

928
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,280
Love to see it.

929
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:31,000
So I guess this has been talked about for a while and Jacob is not relentless in telling

930
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,040
us how long it's been talked about.

931
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:39,120
And it looks like that our newsman just took it on himself to make it a reality.

932
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,440
Just out there having a go, man.

933
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:42,440
Just having a go.

934
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,440
Which I love.

935
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,800
He did the right thing, right?

936
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,840
Is this the one where Jacob G posted that thread being like, I will invite you to a

937
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,000
Google group where I'll tell you about a thing?

938
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,160
Whatever it is, it's not about the actual issue.

939
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,200
It's about showing how he either thought of it or it's been pushing it or something else.

940
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,200
And then there's like 75 fucking slack and discord screenshots.

941
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,800
Like all that shit has to happen, right?

942
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,600
That's well, like all that has to come, right?

943
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,680
So, you know, imager gets filled up and their buffers get filled up with all the screenshots

944
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,880
of how right people are.

945
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,960
Anyway, very important.

946
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,160
It's really what that's really what that's a core of the issue is like really identifying

947
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,440
who knew about this first and like who is ignored.

948
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:29,360
I mean, that's really the most important part is the core of blockchain.

949
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,440
The core of blockchain is really understanding who figured it out first and make sure they

950
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,440
get credit for it.

951
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,920
They're away from the actual issue.

952
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,360
It's the validator code, man.

953
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,360
You go to submit your evidence.

954
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,360
That's right.

955
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,360
That's right.

956
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,360
I need evidence.

957
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,560
I need shots of 800 personal conversations and all this shit where people are ignored.

958
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:46,560
Okay.

959
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:47,560
That's fine.

960
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:48,560
Oh, ding.

961
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,560
Ding.

962
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,560
Valde.

963
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,560
Yeah.

964
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:57,680
So anyway, so our newsman attacks the network shows in a very light way, right?

965
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,480
Shows that this is a vulnerability and now actually it looks like it's getting some traction.

966
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,480
So I see it.

967
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,400
I see a lot of informal conversations, Zachy, everybody else kind of getting in there and

968
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,720
talking about what they want to do with it.

969
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:12,840
Now I assume that also means that it's not just cause, but it has nothing to do with the

970
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:13,840
hub, right?

971
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:14,840
I assume this is every chain.

972
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,240
This is an IBC issue.

973
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,520
I think it's every chain, yeah.

974
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,520
Any tenement chain, right?

975
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:21,520
It has nothing.

976
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,720
I mean, there's nothing specific about this.

977
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:25,640
Is this related to pigeon for?

978
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,640
Because that was obviously a vulnerability.

979
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:28,640
I don't know.

980
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,640
I can do a search for pigeon in this thread though.

981
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,640
It's called pigeon.

982
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,140
Nope.

983
00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:37,480
Because off the top of my head, because there was one of the vulnerabilities that got patched

984
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,920
was pigeon for, wasn't it?

985
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:47,880
And that I know that some chains got hit by that this week and some validators got toasted

986
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,480
because they hadn't updated.

987
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,480
Okay.

988
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,800
Well, I don't know if this is any, so I'm glad.

989
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,480
I'm glad Rama made a shitshow out of it now.

990
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:06,120
Like this is what your game of nodes, Patreon dollars are funding.

991
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,960
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992
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993
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994
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995
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996
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t-shirts are available.

997
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998
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,320
Yeah.

999
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,320
Black Friday is coming up.

1000
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,320
Christmas is coming up.

1001
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:42,000
There are plenty of people in your life that would benefit from a no with veto t-shirt,

1002
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:47,880
a circle steak t-shirt, validators of the real heroes t-shirt, and I dump shit coins

1003
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:48,880
t-shirt.

1004
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,880
It's a good time to sell t-shirts.

1005
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,760
It's a good time to sell t-shirts.

1006
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,760
Oh yeah, that's coming up.

1007
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:55,760
Yeah.

1008
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,960
Christmas in the middle of the summer over there.

1009
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:04,600
Recently I've become convinced that no one watches our podcast and thus we would have

1010
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,160
no customers.

1011
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,120
That's the caffeine talking or lack of caffeine talking.

1012
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,120
I see you over training.

1013
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,960
You need to be more positive, man.

1014
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,960
Drink some more coffee.

1015
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:14,960
Ignore it.

1016
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,440
Yeah, ignore reality.

1017
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,440
Drink coffee.

1018
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,440
That's another.

1019
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:19,440
There you go.

1020
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,440
There's a t-shirt.

1021
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,960
There you go.

1022
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:28,160
I think that on a very real level, the podcast is sort of a social experiment as much as

1023
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,480
it is a podcast.

1024
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:35,920
I mean, we have a good number of repeating listeners who download the podcast.

1025
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,800
Whether they listen or not, I have no idea.

1026
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,360
We have no visibility of that.

1027
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:44,080
The number of people who actually grab the episodes isn't bad.

1028
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,080
It continues to do well and it grows.

1029
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,880
And people do get in touch as well.

1030
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:55,280
I mean, I don't know, but people do get in touch on various things and be like, hey, here's

1031
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,200
some feedback on XYZ.

1032
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,600
We know who you are.

1033
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,600
We appreciate you.

1034
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,320
And we will wake the merch.

1035
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:09,680
I feel like the slow glacial approach of the merch is finally nearly here.

1036
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:15,640
Youssepa and I were talking about t-shirt colors in the week, which I think is the closest

1037
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:20,880
to the actual production of items we've gone.

1038
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,920
There was a little bit of debate about Heather versus charcoal, right?

1039
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,680
Heather blue versus Heather gray.

1040
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,200
Yeah, Heather blue versus Heather gray.

1041
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,880
I think the artifact t-shirt that I like that I wear a lot, I think.

1042
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,400
That's Heather blue, I would think.

1043
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,400
That I am wearing.

1044
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,720
I think it's not Heather blue.

1045
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,400
I think it's just straight up sky blue.

1046
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,600
Do you own more than two pieces of clothing, right?

1047
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:50,440
Because it's either that artifact t-shirt or that sweater, which is making to Null's

1048
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,960
point a lot of appearances.

1049
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,560
You're in a lot of play lately.

1050
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,560
You need more than two pieces of clothing?

1051
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:58,560
I don't know.

1052
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,800
We need seven or maybe nine.

1053
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,720
So what happens, right?

1054
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,880
Which you should know, youssepa, is that you have a baby, right?

1055
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,160
And then your washing goes in when there's not baby washing, right?

1056
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,720
So it goes in about every eight to nine days if you're lucky.

1057
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,920
And then it comes out and you're really tired.

1058
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:26,040
And if you were lucky, you kind of stuff it back into a cupboard or something in a big

1059
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,040
pile.

1060
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,920
And then you go back and you just take whatever looks good on top.

1061
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,680
And this is always the artifact t-shirt because it's the only color like all my other t-shirts

1062
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,760
that are in that top eight things mushy pile or all black t-shirts.

1063
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:47,080
So I just go for the blue one every time and just wear that t-shirt every week once a week.

1064
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,480
And sometimes it's on Wednesdays.

1065
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,880
It's, you know, sometimes.

1066
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:50,880
Sometimes.

1067
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,440
Sometimes it's on Wednesdays.

1068
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,120
It just happens a lot of the time that for whatever reason it's on Wednesday.

1069
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,120
I didn't know what to tell you.

1070
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,800
I don't tell you, man.

1071
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,280
I tell you the truth.

1072
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,280
Let's talk about this Eb-Mos thing.

1073
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,160
Did you guys take a look at this?

1074
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,280
Yeah, so the Eb-Mos thing.

1075
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:18,160
So our news researcher slash crypto terrorist, Rama, put in the Eb-Mos sees signs of life

1076
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,680
and bullish uptick in cosmos signals intent to leave and align with Ethereum.

1077
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:23,680
They're looking to deprecate.

1078
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,840
He said depreciate, but I think it's deprecate.

1079
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,600
The cosmos transactions to remove tech dip.

1080
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,360
It says deprecate.

1081
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,360
It says depreciate.

1082
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,360
It definitely says depreciate.

1083
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,360
Oh, yeah.

1084
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,360
It says depreciate.

1085
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,040
It's like, seriously, dude, you can't even see through those eyes.

1086
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,840
Cosmos transact remove tech depth, increase develop, develop, meet efficiency and take

1087
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,280
an Ethereum first approach to alignment.

1088
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,040
So there's a, I'll put a link in the show notes to both their Twitter as well as a little

1089
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,960
bit of a medium type structure on that.

1090
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,960
It looks like it's going to start some point in Q2 next year.

1091
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,280
They want to be done by Q4 next year.

1092
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,320
Did I read that or Q3 next year?

1093
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,240
Anyway, it's a long fucking ways out.

1094
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:04,440
And something interesting I thought, I thought something in here was, I don't know about

1095
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:05,440
the tech depth piece.

1096
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,280
I can't really talk to that or the efficiency side.

1097
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,120
I'm trying to, I'm trying to, so what's the tenement?

1098
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,440
What's the value of the tenement piece?

1099
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,240
Because it looks like they're also, the way I understood it, like they can still stake,

1100
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:23,720
but they're somehow translating or finding a way to be able to translate a, an existing

1101
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,440
Cosmos address from an Ethereum address.

1102
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,400
So you still can stake the same way, but you're really, you're staking from the Ethereum side.

1103
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,720
That part didn't really make any sense to me because I know all the staking is obviously

1104
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:38,520
a Cosmos, tendermint, address staking type structure.

1105
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:44,400
I'm pretty sure you can use the Ethereum side already to stake with MetaMask.

1106
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,400
Oh, you can.

1107
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:46,400
Okay.

1108
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,560
So basically it does that translation.

1109
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:53,320
So they're just, they're just basically hiding or removing some of the, some of the core.

1110
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,320
Yeah.

1111
00:57:54,320 --> 00:58:00,680
I think the idea was to get rid of the overhead of the Cosmos coin side.

1112
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:01,680
Yeah.

1113
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:02,680
Just get rid of it.

1114
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,400
But I don't know if that means that then they're going to get rid of Wasm.

1115
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,400
I don't know.

1116
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,520
I guess then it's just going to be like EVM.

1117
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,520
Yeah.

1118
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:12,880
Well, EVM is Wasm.

1119
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:13,880
So.

1120
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:14,880
It is.

1121
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:15,880
So.

1122
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,880
So, I mean, it's pretty cool.

1123
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,880
Like it's a pretty, you know, it's neat.

1124
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,560
I just didn't, I don't know if it does it do anything to be, I understand the technical

1125
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,600
debt piece, which means the chain costs less to run internally.

1126
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,120
And the timelines here are pretty long, which I'm surprised how long those timelines are.

1127
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:37,200
And if that is, if that's cultural based and just the change management aspect of that,

1128
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,840
or if that's related to the actual work that has to be performed to be able to do this.

1129
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:47,560
Because that's a pretty long runway for Evmos at seven cents.

1130
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:48,560
And you know what I mean?

1131
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:53,440
Like to say that we're going to release this in a year, there's a time I wouldn't have,

1132
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,120
I would be questioning how much.

1133
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,120
Yeah.

1134
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,360
You're like, how can you afford the development hours?

1135
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,680
Like is that how large is that team in a year from now based on this market?

1136
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,640
And like, anyway, I don't know.

1137
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,040
But I don't know.

1138
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:14,520
So basically the summary of what's happening here is that there's a few moving past it.

1139
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,560
This is my understanding.

1140
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,120
There's the EVM.

1141
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:26,400
For those more familiar with Cosmowism, every time you hear EVM, think Cosmowism, think

1142
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,920
smart contracts.

1143
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,520
So Ethereum is just a ledger with the EVM on top.

1144
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:39,480
So all the party mainly happens at EVM level with a little bit of...

1145
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:45,520
In the past, obviously, there was a proof of work ledger at the bottom of the stack.

1146
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:46,800
And now there is a proof of stake ledger.

1147
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,760
So there is actually a kind of additional layer that's at the native level that there

1148
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:56,640
wasn't before, but we'll kind of hand wave away that complexity and say that mostly like

1149
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,840
the party happens smart as smart contracts.

1150
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:07,720
So in Juno and in EVMOS, there is the ledger.

1151
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:13,120
There's also the consensus system, the consensus bit being tendermint.

1152
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:19,000
And then there is essentially all of the native Cosmos functionality.

1153
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:25,200
So the transaction part they're referring to here, which is provided by the Cosmos SDK.

1154
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:30,120
So that's governance, staking, blah, blah, blah, any custom modules.

1155
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,040
And then there's the EVM, which is all the smart contracts stuff.

1156
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:39,320
So my understanding of this is it's effectively like saying, okay, we're not going to support

1157
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,120
the SDK part anymore.

1158
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:48,280
We're just going to have it as like the bare minimum of glue code to make the EVM run to

1159
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:56,360
drive the ledger, but you can't submit transactions to effectively that Cosmos SDK shim in the

1160
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,920
middle of the stack anymore.

1161
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:06,200
You can only interact with stuff that's in the EVM layer because they already support

1162
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,600
Ethereum transactions.

1163
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:15,080
So presumably the piece that they would do is to support because they already support

1164
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,000
staking via that Ethereum message type.

1165
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:24,280
So the staking presumably is a shim going through the Cosmos SDK part.

1166
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,160
So the Cosmos SDK bit is interpreting that Ethereum transaction and writing it to the

1167
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,160
ledger.

1168
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:35,160
So all they're doing is basically removing the parts of the SDK that interact with it

1169
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:42,560
in a way that the Cosmos chains that use the SDK in a normal way expect to do.

1170
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:47,880
So in a sense, this isn't that dissimilar from something like Larry's original idea

1171
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,200
behind CW SDK, right?

1172
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:55,160
Which when we've talked about this podcast a lot, we talked about it with Ethan whatever

1173
01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:02,840
18 months ago, a long time ago, when we say, oh, is there an avenue for a Rust SDK or should

1174
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,200
it just be a virtual machine?

1175
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,880
That is essentially what the CW SDK idea is, right?

1176
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:18,400
Which is to remove everything but the shim part of the SDK or that interaction layer essentially

1177
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,960
and just have the VM handling as much as possible really.

1178
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:29,240
In this case, it's as much as possible except for the staking bit is my understanding.

1179
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:33,000
Oh, and there you go, Reese is in the chat.

1180
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:39,400
He said they deprecated their Ethan mint fork so they are moving something else entirely,

1181
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,400
it seems.

1182
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,480
So there you go.

1183
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:49,200
This has quite a wide-ranging set of effects for them as a team and I think it also has

1184
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,600
some other effects for the ecosystem too.

1185
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:58,560
And Null is so shocked he's literally had like a spit take, like a lady in a Regency

1186
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:04,680
drama, he's just spat his tea on the floor in shock at the disk that's been laid at the

1187
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,680
SDK's door.

1188
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:07,680
Nope.

1189
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:08,680
Nope.

1190
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:09,680
He's non-responsive.

1191
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,680
He's not had the coffee.

1192
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,200
Seriously, this is such a bad decision on your point on this caffeine thing.

1193
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,960
We'll talk about it next week.

1194
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,200
I know you think there's like a light at the end of this tunnel, there's not.

1195
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:21,200
Okay?

1196
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,200
There's not.

1197
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:27,240
There's one of my favorite lines from the comedy show The Thick of It in the UK is,

1198
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,800
this is like the Shawshank Redemption except with more crawling through shit and no fucking

1199
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:32,800
redemption.

1200
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,400
There's no end to the tube, you just keep crawling and crawling and crawling.

1201
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:38,400
Yeah.

1202
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:43,400
I don't know what the context is, I think it's a path to, I think it's like somebody

1203
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,120
is basically shouting at a bunch of people who are fucked up.

1204
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,920
He's like, what did you expect?

1205
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,040
This is like the Shawshank Redemption except how long is this fucking shit and no fucking

1206
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,040
redemption?

1207
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,040
How long is this pipe?

1208
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:57,440
Amazing.

1209
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,400
I think that's it for the news.

1210
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:02,400
Oh, Sam's in jail.

1211
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,400
Yeah, gives a shit.

1212
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,400
He was in jail before, right?

1213
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:06,400
No, no, no.

1214
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:14,360
I thought he had his bail revoked at some point because he was talking or some shit

1215
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,360
and they pulled him back in.

1216
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,880
Yeah, fucking tampering with the witnesses.

1217
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:18,880
Yeah.

1218
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:19,880
Yeah.

1219
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:20,880
Something like that.

1220
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,160
Like he was, like he was, I think it was on house arrest, but he from a bailable beach

1221
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,640
house and he somehow broke that because he was talking to the press or talking to somebody

1222
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,640
trying to make his case.

1223
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,160
What do you get?

1224
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,160
Well, he didn't get sentenced yet, right?

1225
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,160
That's coming up.

1226
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,160
Like, in years or something like that?

1227
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:38,160
Possible?

1228
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,720
Yeah, sentencing is like months away.

1229
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:41,720
Yeah, March.

1230
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:42,720
It's like next year, right?

1231
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:43,720
He's not going anywhere.

1232
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:44,720
It doesn't matter.

1233
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:45,720
You could take your time.

1234
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,160
Yeah, it's going to be longer than this.

1235
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,400
Well, he then has another trial, right?

1236
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,600
So it's not over for him.

1237
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,800
He has another trial and another sentencing.

1238
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,360
What was the second trial?

1239
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,840
More bullshit, more fucking stealing.

1240
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,480
I think it's a criminal versus civil trial is what's going on.

1241
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,360
I think that this was the criminal trial.

1242
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:06,520
Another one is civil.

1243
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,360
If I remember correctly, I could very well be wrong there.

1244
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:11,360
That's what happens.

1245
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:12,360
Yeah, different.

1246
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:13,360
Everybody rolls over.

1247
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:18,480
You get these years start adding up and oh shit, there we start to jump and chip.

1248
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:19,960
He's going to do some time though.

1249
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:24,840
Yeah, I think a long story short is fucked.

1250
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,040
What about what's your face from Alameda?

1251
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,040
That's Nalves legal.

1252
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,040
Caroline Allison.

1253
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:35,200
He's been watching the legal channel and his assessment is didn't Allison just like

1254
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,360
Caroline, right?

1255
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,960
So did she plea out?

1256
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:39,960
She sang.

1257
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,040
It's basically what happened.

1258
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:43,120
She's a complete deal.

1259
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:44,620
She plead, right?

1260
01:05:44,620 --> 01:05:45,620
So she's not.

1261
01:05:45,620 --> 01:05:47,680
Is she facing any time even with her plea?

1262
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:48,680
I don't think so.

1263
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,160
That's what I was reading.

1264
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,840
Because she was basically taking funds, right?

1265
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:58,680
Like she was running a V.C. slash investment arm that was taking taking funds from from

1266
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,360
Sam and FTX to be able to float it.

1267
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,400
Like she was clearly an accomplice.

1268
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,400
Alameda thing.

1269
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,120
Yeah, she can't walk.

1270
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,360
She was the other conspire.

1271
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,760
She's going to walk like just that's it.

1272
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:10,760
Get the fuck out of the country.

1273
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:11,760
Disappear.

1274
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:12,760
That's the one.

1275
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:13,760
Yeah.

1276
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:14,760
Put on the big false mustache.

1277
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:15,760
It's just like that.

1278
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:16,760
Hola.

1279
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:17,760
My name is Senor Burns.

1280
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,760
Como estas?

1281
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:19,760
That's how you do it, right?

1282
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:20,760
That's right.

1283
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:21,760
That's what you do.

1284
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:31,040
All of my, all of my dealing with the law from the Simpsons.

1285
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,840
I'm pretty sure you can just do that, right?

1286
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:33,840
Yeah.

1287
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,760
So it looks like she is going to get some sort of punishment, but she's not going to

1288
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,680
face any sort of jail time.

1289
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:40,680
Crazy.

1290
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:41,680
Yeah.

1291
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:42,680
What other punishment is there?

1292
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:43,680
Fucking no.

1293
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:44,680
I don't know.

1294
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:45,680
Fines.

1295
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,160
I mean, she might be like house arrest or this or that or I mean, she might actually

1296
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,680
she can't hold a role the way she has, but with the help she's looking at the worst, I

1297
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,240
think like the worst non jail punishment you could get these days is like you can't use

1298
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,240
the internet.

1299
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:59,240
Hello.

1300
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:04,840
You got to get from the internet for a hundred and seventy years.

1301
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,960
You have to put your Xavix or any other side of the earth.

1302
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:07,960
Oh man.

1303
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,440
It would be a track to not have YouTube, but I think you get over it, right?

1304
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,440
Yeah.

1305
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:13,440
I don't think you would.

1306
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:14,440
I don't know.

1307
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:15,440
Actually, it's tough.

1308
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:16,440
Everyone else would be like, Hey, man, you see that thing?

1309
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,040
You're like, That's the only subscription I don't mind paying for.

1310
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,760
YouTube premium.

1311
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:21,760
That's the only one.

1312
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:22,760
The rest of it.

1313
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:23,760
I told you.

1314
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:24,760
I told you.

1315
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:25,760
It's totally worth it.

1316
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:26,760
It is totally.

1317
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,840
It is totally worth it.

1318
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,920
And I fucking like seven or eight years of YouTube premium.

1319
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,760
They sent me an email the other day and they said, Son, we're jacking up your price now.

1320
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:37,760
Oh, really?

1321
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,680
You've had ten bucks premium for fucking two long bucks.

1322
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:41,680
I didn't even know.

1323
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:42,680
Maybe I deleted that email.

1324
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:43,680
I wouldn't even care.

1325
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,680
Ten bucks, ten, ten kangabucks.

1326
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:46,680
I've been paying.

1327
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,800
I've been paying for this about seven times seven United States dollars.

1328
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,560
I think I just paid the people directly on Patreon.

1329
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,480
I don't use YouTube premium.

1330
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,160
So I pay way more than $15 a month like towards YouTubers.

1331
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:03,280
But I just, I mean, relatively directly, Patreon takes like 20% or whatever.

1332
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:04,280
Do they?

1333
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:05,280
Wow.

1334
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,040
What do you get to watch the videos on Patreon?

1335
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,240
No, I still use YouTube.

1336
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:11,240
I just would prefer.

1337
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,480
So you still have to watch the fucking advertisements.

1338
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:15,960
No, I use Brave.

1339
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:16,960
I don't get any ads.

1340
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:17,960
Yeah.

1341
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:18,960
Oh, really?

1342
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,440
Is Brave blocking out the YouTube ads?

1343
01:08:20,440 --> 01:08:21,440
Yeah.

1344
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:22,440
Oh, yeah.

1345
01:08:22,440 --> 01:08:23,440
Yeah, that's great.

1346
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:24,440
I can be seen.

1347
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:25,960
Mate, you block, you block blocks YouTube ads.

1348
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:26,960
Yeah, that too.

1349
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,960
You can just block them.

1350
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:29,960
Just do it.

1351
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:30,960
What about on your phone?

1352
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:31,960
Same thing.

1353
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:32,960
Yeah, you just use Brave on my phone.

1354
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:33,960
No ads.

1355
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:34,960
Oh, but you don't use the app.

1356
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,960
I mean, I don't use the app.

1357
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:37,960
I use the app.

1358
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:38,960
Yeah.

1359
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:39,960
Yeah.

1360
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:40,960
What about?

1361
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,960
It's just that one fucking team who had over and over, isn't it?

1362
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,960
Fuck it.

1363
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,960
It's just that retarded.

1364
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:48,960
All right.

1365
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:49,960
All right.

1366
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:56,960
Stupid fucking 1600 people in your area have bought this bomber jacket for $1 and you're

1367
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,960
just like, do I look like the sort of only you can't say that.

1368
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:03,200
But like, I am one of those 1600 people who bought the bomber jacket.

1369
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,960
So you do know somebody who did buy that for $1.

1370
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:06,960
I did actually.

1371
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,960
I will say until everyone's wearing a bomber jacket.

1372
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,560
Two months ago, I did put a team.

1373
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:12,560
I actually bought.

1374
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,560
I got sucked into something.

1375
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:15,560
I got sucked into something.

1376
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:16,560
I spent $20.

1377
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,560
I got like a huge bag of poorly packed shit.

1378
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:25,360
And then I get they are the most marketed thing I've ever seen in my life.

1379
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:26,560
It's just AliExpress, isn't it?

1380
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,560
It's just a shim over AliExpress.

1381
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,060
Yeah, but it's insane.

1382
01:09:30,060 --> 01:09:31,060
It's crazy.

1383
01:09:31,060 --> 01:09:36,060
Like just the amount of like spin this wheel, get 20 bucks off this, that, whatever else.

1384
01:09:36,060 --> 01:09:37,560
Like it's constant.

1385
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:38,560
It's unbelievable.

1386
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,840
Like I might, if I didn't turn it off, I might get like, I'm not even kidding.

1387
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,840
Maybe 40 push notifications a day.

1388
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:45,840
Which sorry, which one?

1389
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,840
The team are you the team app?

1390
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:48,840
Maybe.

1391
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:49,840
What?

1392
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:50,840
Shut up.

1393
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,840
You do realize they now owned your phone.

1394
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,840
They know you're, you need to cycle every single.

1395
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:57,840
They're in a box.

1396
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:58,840
They're in a box.

1397
01:09:58,840 --> 01:09:59,840
Maybe.

1398
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:01,840
I'm going to give me your email.

1399
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:02,840
Don't do that.

1400
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:03,840
Oh my God.

1401
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,840
You know what the worst thing, one of the worst things that ever happened.

1402
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:07,840
Okay.

1403
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:08,840
It's not.

1404
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:09,840
I'm mad.

1405
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:10,840
I'm mad.

1406
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:11,840
I was about to say a thing.

1407
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,840
I was like, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

1408
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,840
And I remembered some of the actual worst things that happened to me.

1409
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,840
I was like, this is even the same bullpuck.

1410
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:26,840
Anyway, the worst thing that's ever happened to me was as a prank in secondary school,

1411
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:34,080
some bullies at my school signed up for about 10 or 15 dating sites and put my fucking email

1412
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,840
because one of my friends had given them my fucking actual email.

1413
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,840
I don't fucking know why.

1414
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:46,840
And literally for 10 years after that, I was still getting bullshit.

1415
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:47,840
They just ticked.

1416
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,840
It was, I mean, it was a genius evil thing to do.

1417
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:57,840
They just ticked every single box on the interested page, every single box on the semi-marketing.

1418
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,840
Yes, you can sell my data.

1419
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:05,840
Fucking A. And just let the fucking floodgates of bullshit.

1420
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,840
Like it was like, not even kidding.

1421
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:14,840
It was like 50 emails a day of all sorts of insane, insane, insane email spam.

1422
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:15,840
Genuinely insane.

1423
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:20,840
It only went away just, I think, because all the companies involved gradually went bust.

1424
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,840
Like I couldn't in any way stop it.

1425
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:28,840
Like I was into my 20s still just getting insane amounts of spam to that email.

1426
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,840
In the end, I just changed emails that obviously that's what I did.

1427
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,840
I just, I gave up completely.

1428
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,840
It was long gone from that email.

1429
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,840
There used to be a couple of really good sites to be doing that too.

1430
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:39,840
I forget what it was.

1431
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,840
It used to be like Adam and Eve and a bunch of other ones that like you put your, put

1432
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,840
somebody's name email in there and it would, it would sign them up on every single email

1433
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:47,840
form it had.

1434
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,840
It was like three or 4,000 email forms or something like that.

1435
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:51,840
But then they started to shut those things down.

1436
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,840
Yeah, it was really good because it used to be like as a spam tool.

1437
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,840
Like I'm going to use this to be able to test the spam type structure.

1438
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:04,840
And then obviously like, well, I'm going to put the phrase name in here to see what happens.

1439
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,840
So yeah, it's auto auto, but now the like it's so much controlled now because you really

1440
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:10,840
can't auto sign anybody up in anything anymore.

1441
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,840
Not like, yeah, more fucking, fucking a things, things are better.

1442
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,840
The times have changed except for Timo.

1443
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:17,840
We should put the game.

1444
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,840
Someone has recently signed me up to wag me ventures.

1445
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,840
I started getting spam mail from us too.

1446
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,840
I was just talking crap about them.

1447
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:27,840
Wow.

1448
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:28,840
Yeah.

1449
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:29,840
Don't know where that's come from.

1450
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,840
Something wasn't me.

1451
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:39,840
I took a shoot like I got a thing about like NFT dating and I was like, how the fuck am I even on this list?

1452
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,840
NFT dating was so good.

1453
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:48,840
We have 500 users and we are doing a million plus.

1454
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:49,840
What was it?

1455
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:50,840
Monthly recurring revenue.

1456
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:52,840
I was like, no, you're not yearly.

1457
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:53,840
Okay.

1458
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:54,840
We'll still a million dollar yearly revenue.

1459
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,840
Like, no, you're not 50 bucks a month times 500 people or whatever it was.

1460
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:03,840
All paid in Bitcoin by weirdos.

1461
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,840
Yeah, baby.

1462
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,840
Hey, do you guys hear about the board Ape Yacht Club getting blinded?

1463
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:10,840
No.

1464
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:11,840
No.

1465
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:12,840
Oh, what?

1466
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:13,840
Okay.

1467
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:14,840
All right.

1468
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:15,840
We got to talk about this then.

1469
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:16,840
So, all right.

1470
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:23,840
So the board Ape Yacht Club, board Ape Yacht Club, they held a special event with 2,500 attendees.

1471
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,840
And in this event, this rave effectively.

1472
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:28,840
They didn't use standard lighting.

1473
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:34,840
They used unprotected UVB lighting, I want to say.

1474
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,840
And so like, happy attendees have their corneas burnt.

1475
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,840
They've been blinded.

1476
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,840
Like all sorts of crazy nonsense.

1477
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:43,840
Yes.

1478
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,840
Was it supposed to be like black lights or something?

1479
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:46,840
But it was something different or is like, oh, yeah.

1480
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:47,840
Yep.

1481
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,840
They used UV lights instead of black lights in order to like achieve the same effect.

1482
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:51,840
Yeah.

1483
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:52,840
Unprotected UV lights.

1484
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:58,840
So basically they're doing like, like suntan beds for as their black lights.

1485
01:13:58,840 --> 01:13:59,840
Wow.

1486
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,840
So there's like thousands of people that have like cornea damage from this.

1487
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:04,840
That's insane.

1488
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:05,840
Was that in the US?

1489
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,840
Or was that in like the UK?

1490
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:09,840
Let me check.

1491
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,840
I don't know if it was in the US.

1492
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,840
It was in the US and people are getting sued.

1493
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,840
Can you sue it now?

1494
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,840
Maybe you can now.

1495
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,840
Maybe you want to back this dude.

1496
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:26,840
On unrelated random spam news.

1497
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:31,840
I got a recruiter email the other day.

1498
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:36,840
Again, not sure how the fuck they got my email, but they did.

1499
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:42,840
Invite me to interview for a CTO job in the Cayman Islands.

1500
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:47,840
And it was for a, I think, literally we can get the bingo card out.

1501
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:55,840
I think it was gambling NFT blockchain, like the trifecta of shit.

1502
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:56,840
DeFi thrown in there.

1503
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:57,840
Yeah.

1504
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:58,840
Yeah.

1505
01:14:58,840 --> 01:14:59,840
Hong Kong.

1506
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,840
You know, I didn't have a leverage platform.

1507
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:02,840
Yeah.

1508
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,840
It was just like, I see why you're at the CABEDs.

1509
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:06,840
I see.

1510
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:07,840
I see now.

1511
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:09,840
When are you interviewing?

1512
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,840
I'm moving next week.

1513
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:12,840
Came in the wedges.

1514
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:13,840
I guess.

1515
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:14,840
Okay.

1516
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:15,840
Awesome dollar.

1517
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:16,840
Yeah.

1518
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:17,840
I'm not sure what the tax is.

1519
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,840
So the thing is right.

1520
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:20,840
Okay.

1521
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,840
I don't want to trash talk about money too much, right?

1522
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,840
But I thought that, okay, granted that there's no tax.

1523
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,840
So that is big benefit.

1524
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,840
I thought given the risk you were taking on with this CTO job.

1525
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,840
It's risky area.

1526
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:38,840
Legally.

1527
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:39,840
Legally.

1528
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:40,840
Everything.

1529
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:41,840
Right.

1530
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:42,840
About it is dodgy.

1531
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,840
Like, oh, and just even like a CV, let's say this doesn't work out.

1532
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,840
You want to get a regular CTO job plausible.

1533
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,840
That's literally what I do when you come back from the Cayman Islands with your

1534
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,840
tail between your legs, even on your fucking CV, like you're taking on risk in

1535
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,840
that sense with this, with this business, right?

1536
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:57,840
Maybe.

1537
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,840
And I thought given all of those factors, I thought the pay was, was a little low.

1538
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:07,840
And also there are plenty of ways of getting a really high paid job and not paying tax.

1539
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,840
For example, if you work for NATO, you do not pay tax.

1540
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,840
So, you know, yeah.

1541
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:13,840
Really?

1542
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:14,840
Who wants to work for NATO?

1543
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,840
Yeah, there's like an international convention on it.

1544
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:18,840
Really?

1545
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:19,840
Yeah.

1546
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,840
As long as you're within one of NATO states, you don't pay tax.

1547
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:23,840
Wow.

1548
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:24,840
Okay.

1549
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:32,840
Is NATO also offering a cryptocurrency gambling, blockchain, NFT business that you can work

1550
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:33,840
at?

1551
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,840
At the peak of burnout, I did actually look at NATO jobs, but I'm not qualified for any

1552
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,840
of them.

1553
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:46,840
Maybe if I, about 15 years ago, used my history and economics to go and do international

1554
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,840
relations stuff, I might have been qualified.

1555
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:49,840
I don't know.

1556
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:50,840
But that ship is long sale.

1557
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,840
But yeah, it's well paid.

1558
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,840
And even like, this is the crazy thing.

1559
01:16:54,840 --> 01:17:00,840
If you go for like, essentially like the grad scheme sort of thing where you go and work,

1560
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:05,840
if you come in from another industry, right, you can, there's a different track into NATO

1561
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:10,120
where you come in as an industry professional, but you sort of like go into sort of like a

1562
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:14,840
grad scheme, but for people who've already worked in another area, it was my understanding

1563
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:15,840
of it anyway.

1564
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,840
It's like really well paid.

1565
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:23,840
And you like do a year in, I think you do a year in Belgium at the HQ.

1566
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,840
They do a year, I think in Virginia.

1567
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,840
And then I think you do another one somewhere in Europe.

1568
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:31,840
It might be fair.

1569
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,340
No way makes it the year three.

1570
01:17:33,340 --> 01:17:34,340
Nobody knows.

1571
01:17:34,340 --> 01:17:36,340
Yeah.

1572
01:17:36,340 --> 01:17:39,340
I mean, Belgium, I would have no problem spending a year in Belgium.

1573
01:17:39,340 --> 01:17:41,340
I would drink a lot of those.

1574
01:17:41,340 --> 01:17:42,840
So it's very nice.

1575
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:43,840
I mean, yeah, I would love it.

1576
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,840
A lot of, a lot of beer, a lot of chocolate, a lot of cycling.

1577
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:47,840
The winters are bad.

1578
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:48,840
The winters are bad though.

1579
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,840
And you know, Belgium's roads are like the worst in Europe.

1580
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:52,840
They're so bad.

1581
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:53,840
Oh, are they?

1582
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:54,840
That I didn't know.

1583
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:55,840
Hot holes.

1584
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,840
Like, oh man, I can, like, I've done a lot of bikepacking in Belgium and the classic

1585
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:00,840
one, right?

1586
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:05,840
And it's just cycling along like a minor road and it just sort of turns a little bit gravelly

1587
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:10,840
and then it turns to gravel and then it turns to mud and then it turns to deep mud.

1588
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,840
And you're like, what the fuck is this?

1589
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,840
And it's like, it's marked as a proper road.

1590
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,840
And they just, they go like, how many people go down that a year?

1591
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,840
We just will stop maintaining it and see if anybody knows.

1592
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,840
It's like a really, like literally, yeah, okay, Belgium people in the chat, you can

1593
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,840
feel free to tell me I'm wrong.

1594
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:33,340
But my experience of like taking it, going around rural Belgium with a map and a bike

1595
01:18:33,340 --> 01:18:38,840
has been that you do not trust what the map, especially do not trust Google Maps as to

1596
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,840
what a road surface should be.

1597
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:45,840
It's a bit of a very beautiful though.

1598
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:46,840
And of course the beer is amazing.

1599
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,440
So that is the benefit.

1600
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:50,560
You cycle around rural Belgium.

1601
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:55,040
Every way you stop has an abbey and a local beer and it's a great beer.

1602
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,280
And you know, beer is isotonic.

1603
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,600
So it's good for exercise recovery.

1604
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:00,600
That's not true.

1605
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:01,600
Is it?

1606
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:02,600
No, it's not true.

1607
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:03,600
Beer lowers your testosterone.

1608
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,600
So the new one is isotonic.

1609
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:07,600
Okay.

1610
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:13,480
So in this one realm of like things that can help you recover, it, yep, it slides right

1611
01:19:13,480 --> 01:19:14,480
in.

1612
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:15,480
It's like chocolate milk.

1613
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:17,800
It lowers your testosterone, but it gives you a headache.

1614
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:22,280
It makes you perform worse the next day, but it is isotonic.

1615
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:23,280
Perfect.

1616
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:24,280
Amazing.

1617
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,640
It does the job.

1618
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:27,640
Sold.

1619
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:28,640
Don't work for him.

1620
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,280
If it's a hot day, if it's a hot day and you're sweating, like if you, Belgium summers,

1621
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:33,280
be fair, are quite hot.

1622
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,800
Like, you know, like in Germany, how the winds is really cold, but the summers are really

1623
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,280
hot, compared to the UK anyway.

1624
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,280
No, I don't know that, but great.

1625
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:41,280
Same as the UK.

1626
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:42,280
Because we have the Gulf Streams.

1627
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:43,280
It's quite wet in here.

1628
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:44,280
You might have heard the Britons wet.

1629
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:45,280
That's why.

1630
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,280
Wait, Germany doesn't have the Gulf Stream?

1631
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:52,280
That isn't, I figured that because it's pretty close to it that it would, okay.

1632
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:53,280
Anyway, continue.

1633
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,160
It's in the sea, isn't it?

1634
01:19:55,160 --> 01:20:24,160
And they're like quite inland.