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It's just it's fine.

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Just a little bit more tired than I thought I was maybe.

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So I think I think Null's color shirt probably threw you off.

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Boys, it's not colors.

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Welcome to Game of Modes, a weekly podcast from independent Valorator teams.

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One of whom has a great color shirt.

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Yes, gray is a color.

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I said collared collared collared collared collared.

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Collared.

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Collared greens collared.

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What's weird about this color?

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Sorry, I've never seen him wear a collared shirt before.

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It is on iron though, so you should you should have some record.

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It is on iron though, so you should you should have some recollection of that.

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Does it make a balance out?

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I don't know.

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You both own.

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So you never wanted to show it in my fucking life.

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Unlike Dr. Frey, who owns them on the table between the beer bottles.

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So yeah, we're not under duress, I should say.

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He was like, I have to.

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I was like, you have to.

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So what happened? So last week, you, Serpa and I were at SmartCon,

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Shilling, Shilling the podcast, actually more than any kind of services as it turned out.

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Smart move on their part.

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I probably have conversations about the podcast than I did about what Needlecast

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offered in terms of infrastructure, which in hindsight was not the smartest use of a trip.

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Yeah, and had at least twice had an NFT, sorry, a property as an NFT project

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shielded to me because apparently I look like somebody that wants to talk about that.

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I mean, that's so 2021.

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Yeah, I mean, I felt sorry for them, but I felt more sorry for me having to listen to it,

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but you, it takes a bit of time to work out what the correct polite British exit from a conversation is.

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It's very situational.

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And so I was kind of stuck in the meantime.

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It was teeth crunchingly bad.

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It was bad.

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Those were the two low points.

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Actually, in a three day period where also I hope got pickpocketed and lost a bunch of stuff.

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So it was an expensive trip and had to deal with property NFT chat, which was worse than getting pickpocketed would be my review of Barcelona.

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So there you go.

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Barcelona.

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Not only did you have to deal with property NFT chat, you also shield the potty, which means that they're probably going to watch it

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and now you're dissing their property NFT chat.

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That's pretty optimistic that they're going to watch.

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I'm probably going to watch.

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I didn't show the podcast to people who I wasn't, who I didn't didn't at least say one thing that I wanted to whatever, man.

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They didn't get shielded to you because I didn't think they were the podcast kind of people are listeners as we know from the extensive battery of mass surveillance techniques we unleash on our audience.

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We know that they're very highly evolved humans and these NFT bozos were not the kind of creme de la creme of the human race that we want to listen to our podcast.

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They're all welcome.

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In fact, there's a bit of imposter syndrome I've heard amongst our audience.

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You're sitting there and you're thinking, well, am I in fact the quality, the grade A++ that turns out to 11 kind of individual that is able to listen to this podcast?

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Well, you self-select yourself into that group.

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Welcome to Game of Nodes.

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You've made the grade.

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Well done.

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You're doing the elite.

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You're already here.

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You're part of the elite, every populist on the planet.

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Whenever they say we need to get rid of the elite, they're talking about you now, the listeners of Game of Nodes.

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So yeah, Barcelona apparently is the pick pocket capital of Europe or something.

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You should have found that out at factoid before you had your cell phone picked.

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Yeah, I mean, some late, some last minute planning was involved in that trip and it really does show.

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Also, taking it all the way back to the diss that I received at the top of the show, took a folded iron shirt, put it at the bottom of a hiking rucksack, which I then can't.

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Like went on the train across Europe to Barcelona, got the shirt out at the other end.

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Of course, it was fucked.

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And then couldn't find an iron, you supper found an iron because he's an adult and there was no ironing board, however.

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So we had to clear the beer bottles out of the way so that I could iron a shirt so that we could go to a VIP event that was marked specifically business casual.

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And we showed up at the registration and there was some fucking guy in a onesie.

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Like that's right. All of us. Teddy bears or some shit. We're like, God damn it.

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We all bought an entire change of clothes so that we weren't just wearing fucking T shirt and slacks just for that one fucking thing.

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There was other adults there.

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There were other adults there, but then this guy fucking prances past a dinosaur onesie or whatever with his tail flacking out and you're like,

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or that dude in the yellow suit with the gold crown and shit.

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Yeah, there's always one.

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Oh, God. Yeah. With the crown and the.

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I was gonna wear a fucking crown. You're just like some king knows asshole.

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So so I understood took a shirt number one didn't need it.

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Took took took some fucking chinos.

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Number four got pickpocketed largely because chinos have really, really flappy, stupid pockets that invite pickpockets to see whether there's something in your pocket.

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Disaster that that VIP event.

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It was good though.

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How was there a pickpocket at a VIP event?

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So it's not like, you know, bear market got you down bad.

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Dude in the onesie brush past me and I was like, it's off.

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I got shoulder barged by a guy in a onesie.

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I didn't notice it taking my all my shit.

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So it could have been targeted.

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I mean, it's now happened to Matt Bell and that's how his information got out.

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Like someone stole his phone or like a sim swap or something.

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So they they sim swapped his account.

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Okay, I was just a sim swap.

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It wasn't installing social attack, baby.

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I don't think it was I don't think it was targeted.

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I guess you never really do know.

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But I mean, I am just some fucking bozo.

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Probably, I mean, let's be real, right?

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In each other's hearts, in the game of nodes community, we're all big balls blockchain.

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We are all Mr. Blockchain.

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El Grande balls, whatever the point is.

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But, you know, when you actually do go to these big, big ish, whatever events you do go,

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I actually, if someone's getting targeted attacked, it's going to be an actual big balls blockchain guy.

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It ain't going to be me. It's going to be one of the founders of the foundation that is, you know,

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got that net worth publishing for whatever.

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that that is one of my favorite parts of going to conferences whenever you like go to meet someone and you introduce yourself.

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And then they just assume you already know who they are because they're so God like and they'll just give you a look as if you should be like preening to see them.

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That's that's one of my favorite moments at every conference I've been to whenever that moment pops up.

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I'm like, I was waiting for this one.

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Where I was doing his holy, his holy presence.

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I'm really sure.

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See, alternatively, they just immediately turn around and mutter something about going to wait for their limo in the in the

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I was I was at Glastonbury Festival once I did that to a radio of a famous British radio presenter, which in fairness, the radio presenter, you don't see their face.

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Number two, I've listened to what I've music.

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I feel like listening to I don't really listen to radio and never have, but it was one of those where I was at this stage and like they there was a guy who had like a BBC T-shirt on and I was like, oh, you guys, you guys hear part of the recording crew.

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So you do work for the BBC.

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And he's like, yeah.

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He's going, oh, it's going pretty well.

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So I'm like, nice, nice stuff to get into, isn't it?

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I walked off and then like a while later, it was like, I just saw the thing.

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That's the guy.

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I was like, yeah, good luck with your new job at BBC.

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Because I thought you look like a 23 year old nerd who's just started as an intern.

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He's 35 year old big balls.

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Like, do they still have big radio guys?

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Like, does anyone even listen to the fucking radio?

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Yeah, they're still like, sure.

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They all listen to the radio.

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They have way bigger personalities now.

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Really?

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You'll fucking receive AM.

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I don't even think they're used over here anymore.

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Yeah, AM radio is like where you'll find like, Rush Limbaugh, I want to say is on AM.

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Well, he's dead.

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Formerly, Rush Limbaugh.

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But like those personalities you'll find over there.

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I think in the UK we only, I want to say that the sports, just the rolling sports channel, the BBC do, 5 Live is AM radio, I think.

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And I think that's still AM and almost everything else is FM if it's anything like it has been for decades.

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And most of that became DAB digital only like a few years ago from memory.

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So I want to say 198, a long wave is the BBC World Service, but that's everywhere.

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So, and that's more of a propaganda exercise, although the news is very good to be fair because they actually, you know, we slow regular.

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It's easy to broadcast it further or be it potentially more patchily.

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So it's all like serious exam now, which I think is global now.

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It is right subscription thing, right?

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But like how are we going to drive around this satellite dish on that guy?

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No, it's like, it's like, well, number one, it's like a small little radio and it's not like a big dish or anything like that.

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So I just have to say something here.

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Badger bites is bitching about a T shirt from King nodes that he's received and saying that the artifact staking T shirts are much better.

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And I just have to say that T shirts are much better.

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But my defense is fucking King node shirts were not for distribution.

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So shut the fuck up.

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They were fucked.

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And that's why we didn't give them out at any conference because the printer fuck them up and they should shoot.

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So as another funny thing that happened at smart con, based purely on having done fintech conference up toss thing, Cosmoverse in the past gateway.

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I was like, ah, T shirts, give away like easy peasy.

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Forget about it.

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Took a bunch of our T shirts, which are fucking really good.

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My rucksack got to the other end.

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They just grab it and throw it in the bin.

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There's a ton of chain link stuff like stickers and stuff later on.

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So I had, I had some rhino stickers.

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I had a gaming note stickers.

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I had a feeling that it wasn't really the vibe to put those things down.

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Alex is like, fuck it.

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It takes a bunch of these stickers out, puts them on all these different tables.

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Like Lily went from table to table around and merch around all the time.

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We walk around, we grab a drink, come back.

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Some dudes are sitting there swiping them up.

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Table table.

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I can straight into the bin.

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Bam.

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Guys.

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So it was the same thing as well.

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Yeah, they were like, right of their stuff and that's the fact we're sponsoring.

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So yeah.

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And then, um, then let's go to the guy, he's like, I have a t-shirt too.

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If you want it.

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And the guy's like, no, oh wait.

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Oh, you're not a fan.

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Cause like, so the guy, the one guy that I actually spoke to like couple of

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stickers and I was like, two stickers and maybe he just likes it.

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But then I was like, no, no, no, no.

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He's gonna throw it in the bin.

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He's just, he doesn't look like a scary guy, but that's also a scary guy.

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I had my hand.

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I was just sticking them back in my pocket.

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It's like, okay, these all hold it.

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Your service is just like, uh, I guess I brought these things with me for nothing.

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I'm like, uh, I guess I, I guess I carry t-shirts across Europe for nothing.

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Uh, they came by, I think took 15 t-shirts with me.

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Came back with like 11.

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It's like, to carry them all the way back across France.

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I did the same with those hats.

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I brought a bunch of hats and give away one stupid.

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Did you give away any in the end?

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No, I had a bunch.

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I was looking for specific people and then by the time I really got them picked

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like in a spot, there is, I hate giving people a shit to hold and like really bad.

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Situations like if we're, if we're like, you're on a show floor or something,

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there's an expectation of it, but if you're like,

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if it's like an after party or you're somewhere where you're out,

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like I don't want to saddle somebody with some fucking thing.

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You know what I mean?

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Like it's nine PM and I got to carry this goddamn thing around.

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So I do know what's funny is I got back to, I got stuck in London on the way,

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uh, on the way through, um, I had to stay a night cause there are big train strikes

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in the UK and I stuck around in London for a day and did some work stuff.

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I need to give somebody like a business card and some stickers or something like that.

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Um, more than one person actually.

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And they were, first of all, all my business cards apparently evaporated

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at some point during that trip.

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Don't know where they went.

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And I was just like, yeah, I think we're a business card.

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Not on me.

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I was like, they're in the top of my rucksack.

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They must have fallen out the air B a B at the conference center.

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I don't really got.

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And I was just like, uh, uh, and I, cause I hadn't re-enabled telegram or anything.

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I couldn't do the QR code.

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I was like, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I was like, give you a sticker.

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And then I remember the stickers were right at the bottom of the high key rucksack.

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And this guy, these, these guys are just stood there just like, could you,

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in the end, I literally wrote down our company name and our company phone number on a piece

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of, on a piece of my notebook, ripped it off.

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Like I was giving some girl my number and being like, call me, you know,

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when you're smooth and 16, it definitely never works for you.

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It does it.

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It just, it's like, give me your palm.

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It's going to, yeah, exactly.

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It's like, she's like, no, actually, right?

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My website, my hands really sweaty.

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Like, would you ever get an umbrella on it?

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Don't worry about it.

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And you're like, damn, damn, it always works in the movies, but it turns out you have

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to be attractive to do it.

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No.

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Anyway, so, um, so yeah, it was, and, and, and surprise, yeah, as luck would have it,

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surprise, surprise that potential client has not called.

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So hold on.

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There's a straight, a railway strike happening in the UK.

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And then you were like, you will absolutely not fly from Manchester.

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You must take the train.

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What if, what if there was a strike on that route or it's like specific routes

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there being, having straight?

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The whole the UK.

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So even, I think the tubes in London weren't running.

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Um, so it was really expensive.

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We came, I came into, uh, like St.

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Pancras and it was really, really expensive.

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Although hotels within like two miles walking distance of that.

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And then you could get a five star hotel across London for like the price of a

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fucking travel lodge because no, everybody who's arriving in the city was like,

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Oh, it was so, it was, it was super weird.

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Um, but, uh, yeah.

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Anyway, but obviously, yeah, you're not going to, there's no, there's literally no

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fucking point flying, especially not if you're getting back at like 10 o'clock at

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night.

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Um, you know, that's perfectly reasonable to just grab a train and then you can

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just grab a train and then arrive home.

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Uh, I guess I would have arrived at the nearest station about the promise.

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And when you after 10, they run a bit slower.

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So what should take a couple of hours?

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Take three hours.

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So I would have arrived in the interstation about one and then gone and probably

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grabbed my bike from the lockup.

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Yeah.

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I'd have been home about two in the morning.

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It would have been a late night, but I could have got home that day and in the

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end I didn't.

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So whatever, man.

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Anyway, and, and spectacularly failed to give a potential client any kind of

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identifying business details.

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So yeah, great trip, smashing trip, killed it, networking, people who are

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wondering why we can't get our shit together and make a t-shirt.

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Yeah.

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Our marketing is, is the same level for the podcast and for the businesses.

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That's the, the honest truth.

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There we go.

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Um, if it was just building a website would be, would be golden.

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We're nerds, but, um, rack and up some servers or something.

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Anyway, um, yeah.

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So smart con other than that, other than getting people pocketed and not

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really being very good at networking apparently post COVID, which I swear I

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used to be good at, but I've lost the knack of, um, it was interesting.

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It's really, it's also really interesting to hang out in a space where you're like,

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you know, you serve, but you guys are very involved in that space.

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But for us, it was more of like, uh, yeah, just kind of interesting to see

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another ecosystem, how they're operating and what, what kind of stuff they're

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exploring.

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I guess they're very, very serious about the Treadfy and all that kind of stuff.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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CCIP is like their future, right?

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The bridge structure.

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Yeah.

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They're working, they're really working the bank angle and they're working with

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Swift and they're working with the, what's the, what's the Australian New Zealand

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banking consortium?

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No, I forgot to have things called.

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Yeah.

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So, I would assume that they're there.

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They signed some big ass deal with them and they're now on that CCIP stuff.

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So, there was a lot of, the VIP thing.

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I think he was from Manzi.

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Yeah.

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I think they're doing like a, um, like a stable coin thing in Australia.

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Oh, are they?

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Yeah.

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Well, it's not a CBDC.

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I think they're doing their own thing, but, um, I mean, I fuck knows if our

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government's even doing a CBDC, they're a little bit RKK over here in that

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respect, but the banks like lead the way over here for everything.

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They've like, we, we, a couple of years ago, they came up with this Oscar system

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where you get instant transfers between banks.

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Now they used to take like fucking days before and, uh, yeah, man, they sort

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of like lead everything.

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So it wouldn't surprise me if like Australia's bank coin thing is from

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Manzi.

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I was talking to the dude at, um, there's a blockchain Australia conference

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like a little while ago and, uh, had a yarn to him there and, um, yeah, man,

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they're, they're pretty into it.

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So I guess they're probably going to come up with something soon enough.

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Yeah.

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There's a lot of talking about it, like just the tokenization of those assets

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and trying to find ways to yada, yada, yada, right?

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So, yeah, exactly.

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So it's weird how everyone knows everyone in this industry as well.

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Cause like that guy was talking to another girl who, um, so I went over

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to talk to this girl cause she was a speaker and she had, she spoke about

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some stuff I wanted to like pick her brain on.

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And then, um, so I got talking to her and she was actually, she knew Jake,

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um, Hartnell.

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Really?

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And I was like, Oh, okay. And knew all about that out.

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And we were actually talking to the INZ go about that out.

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So that's cool.

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Yeah.

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Well, that, I think what I found out from that conference, I mean,

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obviously there's a lot going on in that space and, and this traditional

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finance kind of trying to find ways to use this tokenization and some sort

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of structure and yada.

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Um, and they're all trying to figure out like where the money is, right?

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Number one.

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And they're, they really want, they want traditional finance kind of security

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controls and methods of transfer.

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Like they're not going to use consumer based systems.

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Like they're just not going to do it.

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Like they're not using wormhole and shit.

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So they, they, they want those types of structures.

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And so that was a big topic of conversation.

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And then I think what's interesting is like these, the individuals that show

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up, which Alex or at which free might have met a few of them as well is like,

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you have a lot of, um, bank individuals who are X web three individuals who

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now have roles in that space in traditional finance.

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Right.

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And not to be vulgar, but the stones on these people, it's like, it's like

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they are walking up like eight feet above everyone else in the room.

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Just like when you talk to them, like the egos and like, like all it is is

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like traditional finance people talking down to technologists.

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And like it is, it is so incredibly obvious that even if you start opening

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a conversation, like I had a couple of conversations with individuals and

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like they would do a small intro and it was very short, which is fine.

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I give a very short intro and ask what they're doing.

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And then they would instantly like talk to me, but they would be looking

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across the room over there and just like talking over there.

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And like it was like that type of thing.

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Like there's a lot of that and even on stage and some of those type situations,

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but like it's like, it's an incredible amount of, um, it's a weird thing.

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You can tell like they're entering in a new area and they are probably

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one of a small group of people within a very large traditional finance

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organization who understands this stuff.

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And so therefore that just keeps pumping it up like crazy.

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And they know they're gatekeepers in some sort of sense, even though

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I don't think they know what they're gatekeepers for.

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And so it's a, anyway, it's fun to be able to have those type of conversations.

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The money man, the money, the gatekeepers, the money.

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Well, they are.

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And I also give them, I also give them a bit of shit too, because you can ask

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like what they did in their past and you're like, Oh, that failed, didn't it?

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Oh, that didn't make it.

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Did it?

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Oh, I heard about that.

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I read about that thing blowing up on Coinbase.

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Like that type of stuff.

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And then like it kind of comes down to it.

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There were quite a few of those, right?

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Yeah.

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Where it's like, oh yeah, we were really involved in that in this project.

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And then it would be like, is that still going?

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And say, oh yeah, I mean, it's still, it's still making blocks.

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And you're like, no, but is it, is it above $1?

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And you caught in the bathroom giving SPF a hand job.

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There's, there's one specific conversation.

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Somebody was so cocky about a specific project.

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I know everything about that one.

470
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And I was like, that didn't make it, right?

471
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,000
And he's like, no, but now I'm in charge of it.

472
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000
You know, okay, cool.

473
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,000
And I worked at IBM.

474
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,000
Great.

475
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:21,000
There were, I, I was like, there were two conversations that I came in at,

476
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,000
came in on the end of with like, you know where I don't know if it's like

477
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,000
Simpson's when he comes in with a drink and then immediately he just in one

478
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,000
smooth moment, he turns and then goes back away.

479
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,000
He came.

480
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,000
Grandpa, when grandpa walks in the strip club.

481
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,000
Yeah.

482
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,000
There was, there was like, we first were on the door where I like came in the edge

483
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,000
of a conversation and then got with it.

484
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,000
We just like do.

485
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,000
Oh man.

486
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,000
Straight off to, to, I was like, oh, that is the artifact guys.

487
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,000
I'll just, uh, and Davis says, Juno validators giving people shit for price

488
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,000
action of tokens.

489
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,000
Yes.

490
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000
We're dragging the world down with us.

491
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,000
Yeah.

492
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000
Just to make it 100% clear.

493
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000
And what's happening here.

494
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000
Pierce by it's Pierce.

495
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000
Yeah, we just, we're just one of us.

496
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000
We're just bitter haters.

497
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000
That's what we are.

498
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:17,000
I know you work at a bank now, but we're back down in this.

499
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:23,000
Look, I mean, your last was the most fun thing was when, you know, people like

500
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,000
you're like, oh, um, yeah, we're like, we're like a small team of validator

501
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000
company and they're like, what's validator.

502
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,000
And you're like, we're the ones fucking toiling in the block mines.

503
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,000
Well, you guys are on the fucking penthouse, a swelling champagne.

504
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Yeah.

505
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,000
We're the real heroes.

506
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,000
The story validates.

507
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000
Obviously everybody does with the real heroes.

508
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,000
Yeah.

509
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,000
We're, we're just out the core face every day making blocks.

510
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000
So it's a real tough gig.

511
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
And they're just like, but what do you validate?

512
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,000
So she do it.

513
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000
You're like, uh, I don't know.

514
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,000
I just tell you about the cold face, motherfucker.

515
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,000
I make sure my number keeps going up.

516
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000
Yeah.

517
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,000
I was like, look, look, I have a very streamlined e-max configuration.

518
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000
Number one, that needs a lot of gardening.

519
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,000
That's like 40% of my week, right?

520
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:18,000
The other 20% of my week is optimizing that one script that fucking freaks the

521
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000
shit out if number doesn't go up.

522
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000
It's monitoring monitoring.

523
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,000
It's been two years.

524
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,000
I did.

525
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
The goal is to that bash script.

526
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,000
And the remaining percentage is the shuffling those scripts back and forth to the bank vault.

527
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000
The rest of it is just everything.

528
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:38,000
This from here to here to here to here to bring up a new box that's a hit to hit.

529
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000
Jake's really ambitious.

530
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,000
Jake says, Validated to be a T-shirt.

531
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,000
I, I think that the T-shirt should be validators.

532
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Validators are the real MVP, but that MVP also is minimum viable product.

533
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000
I don't know.

534
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:04,000
I would just wear a T-shirt that says Validates the real heroes to, if somebody makes that T,

535
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000
in fact, I will make that T-shirt.

536
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000
After this podcast, I'm going to make that T-shirt.

537
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,000
This might be the 70 or 75th time you've said you're going to make a T-shirt.

538
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,000
At least.

539
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,000
And then you show something off that looks great.

540
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000
I'm lucky I'd buy it and you're like, okay, anyway, I'm done.

541
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000
Starting right now.

542
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,000
I thought he was just getting at his scrapbook.

543
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,000
He's getting out.

544
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000
Making some oil, some oil colors.

545
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000
Let me show you my scrapbook of designs.

546
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,000
Yeah.

547
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000
I write these on the train.

548
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000
Where's my phone?

549
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000
What are we doing, man?

550
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,000
Let's, uh, I'm going to close this, this point, get go page and, uh,

551
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,000
you want to do some good news or review the good news.

552
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:52,000
So I did get a DM last night from, um, our man and it simply said quiet week.

553
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,000
Did we, did we, uh, did we pay our man?

554
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,000
Well, I mean, I put up the proposal two weeks ago.

555
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,000
So did we pay him?

556
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,000
I don't know.

557
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,000
I execute it when I got back.

558
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,000
You want?

559
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,000
Did anyone execute it on?

560
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Yeah. Yeah.

561
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,000
It's done.

562
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,000
You're not a Dow unless you're, instead of using the Dow, you are communicating

563
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,000
on signal or telegram with the other Dow members begging them to sign.

564
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,000
Okay.

565
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,000
That is the sign.

566
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,000
Let me tell you, this ain't my first Dow and that is exactly how the functional

567
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000
Dow's work is.

568
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Um, this proposal is going to actually run out in about 12 hours and people don't

569
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,000
get paid.

570
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Um, so can we please get signed?

571
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,000
Every Dow I've ever been in.

572
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Ignore.

573
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,000
Yeah, yeah, man.

574
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,000
I'm away from my ledger.

575
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,000
I'll do it when I get back to my ledger.

576
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000
I was away from my ledger.

577
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000
Why the fuck do you have a ledger on a?

578
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,000
My ledger was in my left pocket.

579
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,000
I didn't bring it with me.

580
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,000
My right pocket.

581
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,000
Let's just say that I didn't bring that one with me sitting here.

582
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,000
And it was going to get picked.

583
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000
Why would you have it on a ledger?

584
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,000
Uh, that's a good question.

585
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,000
It doesn't really need to be.

586
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,000
No, no, it doesn't.

587
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,000
It doesn't need to be.

588
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Don't judge me.

589
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,920
And then if it wasn't on a ledger, you could, let's, let's, let's rotate those keys boys.

590
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,000
Let's get them on a hot wallet on your phone with no fucking face ID.

591
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Let's do it.

592
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,000
Are you working on a future?

593
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000
I'm wondering what loot.

594
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,000
Um, Dr.

595
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,000
Fray's, uh, pick pocket got whether it's where he's ended up with some turd Android

596
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,000
phone or like, you know, the, it was, it was a Apple device.

597
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,000
No, it was an Android phone.

598
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,000
Oh, it was an Android phone.

599
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Yep.

600
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Yep.

601
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Yep.

602
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,000
Pricey one too.

603
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,000
Samsung.

604
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,000
Yep.

605
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Replace with another pricey one.

606
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,000
Oh, really?

607
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,000
Did he, uh, did he walk into the store and he's good to the next morning?

608
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,000
Yep.

609
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,000
And, uh, walk up to the counter and just said, you know, I'll take that one and points to

610
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,000
the top shelf.

611
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
He demanded that one.

612
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,000
He demanded it instantly.

613
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
I want that one.

614
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000
I want that one.

615
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
All right.

616
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000
Let's do some good news.

617
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,000
Yeah.

618
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Go, go.

619
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,000
I don't even have it open.

620
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,000
I didn't even look at any of this stuff.

621
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,000
Go ahead.

622
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,000
All right.

623
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000
Okay.

624
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,000
Item number one, uh, Caroline unsurprisingly throws Sam under the bus after being, uh,

625
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:09,000
under him for years at FTX stating in court, she was only doing what she was told, and

626
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,000
her boss, because they were sleeping together or by her boss because I was sleeping.

627
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,000
So that sounds like, uh, what's the fat man in, in, uh, in movies?

628
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,000
Trump?

629
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,000
Sounds like that scenario.

630
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000
Fat man in movies.

631
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,000
Yeah.

632
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000
You know, the, the gatekeeper for the moot for the movies for the actress.

633
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Oh.

634
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, fine.

635
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,000
Steen hynes.

636
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000
Yeah, Weinstein.

637
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Wines, thank you.

638
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000
That's Weinstein.

639
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,000
It's like you give me a wristy and all, get you in the movies, baby.

640
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,000
Yeah.

641
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,000
The cast and couch.

642
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,000
Yeah.

643
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,000
Yeah.

644
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,000
Yeah.

645
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,000
So a bit of that.

646
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,000
I mean, that's expected, I suppose.

647
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,000
I wasn't sure.

648
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
He like rolling over.

649
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000
I don't know.

650
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,000
But like once once that jail time is out there and they start,

651
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000
they start stacking up fucking, you know,

652
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,000
you know, manila envelopes in front of evidence and you're sitting at the

653
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,000
table and blah, blah, blah.

654
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,000
And you start really, it's all funny.

655
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000
Like you're you're on.

656
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000
Okay.

657
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,000
Design credit should this be in regular or bold.

658
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000
It should be done later.

659
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000
So what would you do?

660
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,000
Like if I was, if I was there in the room with the guy, you know, with the,

661
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000
with the glasses, where's goaxi?

662
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Are we going back to the casting couch?

663
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,000
Number one, we would probably roll over as well.

664
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000
I'd be like, yeah, didn't like serve anyway.

665
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,000
So yeah.

666
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,000
If it was illegal and if you're in that situation, I think in that situation,

667
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,000
like, I mean, it's what, when, like I said, like when they're stacking those

668
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,000
minimal envelopes in front of you, you're seeing the evidence and all this

669
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,000
happened and it's, and you're not like, you're not waiting for trial.

670
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,000
Like you're getting close and you're actually in that situation and you

671
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,000
realize at the end of this, they're going to put the cuffs in and you're going

672
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,000
away.

673
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000
That's when the reality hits and that's when you start, you start, all your

674
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,000
friends are gone.

675
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000
It is 100% self survival.

676
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000
So it's not really surprising.

677
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,000
I mean, I'm, I'm too pretty for jail.

678
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000
I'll snitch.

679
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Well, it becomes a prison dilemma, right?

680
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,000
24% body fat.

681
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,000
So I'm far too pretty for jail.

682
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,000
This is, this is, can I just say that like, I'm at the moment, I'm basically

683
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,000
just listening, right?

684
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,000
And it is really noticeable how much more evolved for short see this because

685
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,000
it's like, there's like, essentially like shout, prison shower chat going on

686
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000
over yonder.

687
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,000
And then I just hear short see say like, wait, wait, wait, wait, actually the

688
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
prisoners and then just gets cut off.

689
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,000
And then it's just more shower chat.

690
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,000
I'm like, ah, that's what the podcast sounds like.

691
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000
Lucky we don't have to listen to it.

692
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Right.

693
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,000
Wow.

694
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000
What is the prison dilemma?

695
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,000
I don't know what that is.

696
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000
Prison dilemma is like, if everyone together works, like works together

697
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,000
than everyone would be like everything would be better off, right?

698
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,000
Instead she's like, well, she can assume that someone else is going to snitch.

699
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000
So she might have snitched first and get ahead of it.

700
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Yeah.

701
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,000
That's like in the wire.

702
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Like somebody walks back with a bag of McDonald's and they're like, what the fuck

703
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000
are you snitching?

704
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000
Like, yeah.

705
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Like what the hell.

706
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,000
So the funny thing about the prison is that prison is dilemma is one of the

707
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,000
foundational questions.

708
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,000
It's obviously like an old philosophical philosophical thing that's one of the

709
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000
foundational ones in game theory.

710
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,000
And when you play it, you should always betray the person.

711
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,000
Right.

712
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000
I'm pretty certain that's right.

713
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,000
Right.

714
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
The dominant strategy is to always betray because you have to assume they

715
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,000
betrayed you.

716
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:41,000
And if you betray like the outcome for you not betraying them is that you get

717
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000
totally fucked.

718
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000
That's the worst case scenario, which is also the worst case scenario if you

719
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,000
both betray each other.

720
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,000
So you always want to betray them on the off chance that you then walk.

721
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,000
Right.

722
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,000
So the dominant strategy is the dominant strategy.

723
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,000
However, if you play the prisoner's dilemma more than once, the dominant

724
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,000
strategy is to copy whatever the person did the last time.

725
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,000
And the dominant strategy is actually to always, I think it's actually to

726
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,000
always, always do the honest thing and try and collaborate.

727
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000
But the second most dominant one is to just copy what the other person did.

728
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,000
So that, and that is foundational to how BitTorrent worked.

729
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Really?

730
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,000
Yeah.

731
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,000
So the problem is right that file sharing worked really, really badly when it

732
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,000
was peer to peer because no peers would actually gossip the fucking file.

733
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Whereas if you play repeated prisoners dilemma, one of the dominant modes of

734
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,000
actually achieving an outcome is to somebody's going to have to go and

735
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000
like fucking Wikipedia this for me.

736
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,000
It's been a while since I watched the lectures on this one on the courseware

737
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,000
for it.

738
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,000
But yeah, the design of the protocol is such that it's basically inspired by

739
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,000
the repeated prisoners dilemma to seed the file first to ensure like

740
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,000
essentially a maximum, a dominant outcome for the file being maximally

741
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:11,000
available to all requesting peers, which then also have to, they offer to

742
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:17,000
seed it before they start taking additional blocks, additional chunks of the

743
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,000
file.

744
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,000
So they get from fight about the prisoners dilemma, which needs a little

745
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
bit of filling in, but I think viewers of this podcast, listeners of this

746
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,000
podcast and viewers of the stream will know that you have to, you get introduced

747
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,000
to the topic and then you have to do your own research just like with the not

748
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,000
financial advice we give.

749
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,000
It feels like it's been quite a while since we've talked about taxes actually.

750
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaking of going to jail, I just put a, I just put a very rough cut of a T-shirt

751
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,000
of literally just how that's going to background that I would absolutely

752
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
wear with Valis T-shirt.

753
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,000
So chat chat.

754
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,000
Was that the one that you posted into the discord?

755
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,000
Yeah.

756
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000
I think it's too wide man.

757
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000
You need to like, you know, stack those words or something.

758
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Too wide.

759
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Too wide.

760
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Why would you line break it?

761
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Every single word.

762
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Second half in the back.

763
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,000
Oh, no, you should do it like it's a definition like validators and then

764
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,000
have like the broken out statement and then are the really, yeah.

765
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,000
She's right.

766
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,000
Actually, if you make the word validators, it like a little bit bigger on the

767
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
line above, it looks better.

768
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,000
No, I don't think it, uh, colon and then the.

769
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,000
Yeah, yeah.

770
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Yeah.

771
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,000
We gotta look at a dictionary man.

772
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Do it like that.

773
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000
What is it?

774
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000
Dictionary.

775
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,000
What's the encyclopedia?

776
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,000
No, you're a dictionary.

777
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000
Yeah.

778
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000
What's, uh, what else we got in the news here boys?

779
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,000
It's, we can't just sit here and watch the fray toil on his laptop.

780
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Go ahead.

781
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,000
We got next one.

782
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Uh, wow.

783
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Okay.

784
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,000
So, I mean, this, this is quite obviously a pretty slow news week.

785
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000
Uh, so neutron listed on one.

786
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000
The noun, right?

787
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Jesus, I'm tired.

788
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Help me.

789
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,000
Help me.

790
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,000
I appreciate it.

791
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Yeah, it's a thing.

792
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000
It's got the noun, right?

793
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Yeah.

794
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Yeah.

795
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,000
Okay, right.

796
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Thank you.

797
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Yeah.

798
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,000
That's going to be shit.

799
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,000
I can already tell.

800
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Yeah.

801
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000
He's fucking with it too much.

802
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:39,000
I'm glad, I'm glad we're working hard on this to never release it.

803
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000
Yeah.

804
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,000
Yeah.

805
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:48,000
So, uh, neutron lists on Binance, uh, causes a 40% pump across Adam and Osmo.

806
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,000
I didn't notice, uh, as people, uh, attempt to figure out how to trade it.

807
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,000
Soy, presumably soy two studio shows OSL.

808
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000
Presumably I have no idea what that is.

809
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,000
I think it's Osmosis support league.

810
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000
Maybe I think it's Osmosis support league.

811
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,000
Okay.

812
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Osmosis support league.

813
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,000
How to single handedly do all 20 of their jobs as one person and Osmosis

814
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:18,000
fails to process swaps and IBC transactions for 40 minutes due to bots

815
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000
spamming the network.

816
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Labs.

817
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Ramos has labs.

818
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,000
That makes more sense.

819
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Yeah.

820
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Yeah.

821
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000
I was close.

822
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Leagues house work.

823
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,000
I'm very gamer.

824
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,000
It does.

825
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000
We're just out here gaming man.

826
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Uh, any thoughts on that?

827
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
I mean, did anyone notice that pump?

828
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:43,000
I know I can number go down only as far as I've seen for the last year and a half.

829
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,000
Yeah.

830
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000
Miss that pump.

831
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,000
Like maybe it coincided with a temporary like, you know,

832
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,000
East pump or something, which sort of brings the whole market.

833
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,000
So maybe I missed it.

834
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,000
Uh, certainly in the last 24 hours, there has been no pumping.

835
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
It is down only baby.

836
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000
And anyone know why that is?

837
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,000
Is there being like any market news of being basically living in a box?

838
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,000
It is October.

839
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
October typically has, um, like the worst month.

840
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,000
If things are going to go wrong happens in October.

841
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,000
I'm not really sure why that is.

842
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Um, but I want to say the 2000, like the dot com bubble happening in October,

843
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
the great recession started in October.

844
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Um, yeah, I don't know.

845
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000
I don't know why, but that's what happens.

846
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,000
Yeah.

847
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000
I think, well, right.

848
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:33,000
When, when number go up would be what my question is cause man, we need that.

849
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,000
All right.

850
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Moving on.

851
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Um, NFTs, someone launched the perfect collection for cosmos embodying the cosmos

852
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,000
developer focused spirit and vision.

853
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:50,000
The, they are, they launched the cosmos canonical collection with the NFT sticker

854
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,000
or ticker, uh, dollar sign cosmos.

855
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,000
Lol.

856
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,000
It's a free need for 24 hours.

857
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,000
If you stuck in the last month, 4,000 wallets.

858
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
Uh, yes.

859
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Um, anyone use.

860
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Can you think of an adjective with an S that finishes the word?

861
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,000
What I can think of a really fucking inappropriate time to start doing design.

862
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,000
What is this?

863
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000
Like Mad Libs?

864
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Uh, so I'm trying to work out the, Shulze said, do it like a dictionary definition.

865
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000
I'm trying to work out the pronunciation.

866
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,000
Um, I don't know the name of the thing, you know, when it says the pronunciation,

867
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,000
but it has it in that, you know, in angle brackets and like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

868
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,000
I'm trying to work out what that would be for validators, but I'm just, for example,

869
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:50,000
for examples of words that end with an S to double check how that's normally done with a preceding vowel.

870
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:57,000
What, and if you're going, yes, this is how deeply he gets into a thing very quickly.

871
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
You would be, you'd be right.

872
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000
We are in a rabbit hole here.

873
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,000
I'm going to put my bet.

874
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,000
My buddy, are you, are you ADHD?

875
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,000
I mean, his line of questioning suits his total next.

876
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000
So we're just, we're just tonight.

877
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000
What about the word? Yes.

878
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,000
Could you look up the word? Yes.

879
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,000
Because the S is a soft S there, right?

880
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,000
So that should work.

881
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,000
Yes.

882
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,000
Dang it.

883
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,000
He's put his thing down and I'm like, all right, hold on.

884
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,000
I'll put a glitch.

885
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000
I'm going to put it on the program at all.

886
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Do you want validating?

887
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,000
I want to be validated ors.

888
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,000
You want to validate or, right?

889
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Or, well, because it's validators, the real heroes, right?

890
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,000
That kind of thing.

891
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Oh, here.

892
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000
It wasn't validators are the real heroes.

893
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,000
Yeah.

894
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Validators are the real heroes.

895
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,000
It wouldn't be validator is the real hero.

896
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Here.

897
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,000
He just grammatically.

898
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,000
Why am I doing this?

899
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Why am I doing this?

900
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,000
You know, we haven't had the drill tweet of the week in three weeks.

901
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
You're just trying to, you're trying to rain this,

902
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000
to reel this train. I like it.

903
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:03,000
So the last item of news from Rama is that it was a quiet week.

904
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000
And I don't know.

905
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,000
He says, I heard Noel has a special announcement for us though.

906
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,000
I have no idea what that is.

907
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,000
That shirt.

908
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Yeah.

909
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000
I mean, I did look at this.

910
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Those shirts were not meant for public distribution.

911
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000
I mean, they were initially until I saw them and decided that

912
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,000
they were an absolute piece of shit.

913
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
I have one.

914
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Huh?

915
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,000
I have one.

916
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,000
I socked it away.

917
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000
I'm going to pull it out 20 years from now.

918
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Did you like take that and use it for oil rags or something?

919
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,000
No, you gave it to me.

920
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,000
I cherish it.

921
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,000
No, I did look at this.

922
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000
I did look at this clowns, 9,000 thing.

923
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,000
I, I get it.

924
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000
And I understand why it says cosmos,

925
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000
canonical collection.

926
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000
I thought for some reason when,

927
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,000
when Rama wrote that,

928
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,000
I thought it was somehow relating to like either projects or

929
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
founders or individuals in the cosmos.

930
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,000
Like I thought it was like then painting them as clowns,

931
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,000
but that's not what this is.

932
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000
That's why I thought it was much harsher than what this is.

933
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,000
I think at least I,

934
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,000
at least it doesn't look that to me that way.

935
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,000
But,

936
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,000
I did inspect that.

937
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Well,

938
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000
actually it just opened up a little bit ago because it wasn't

939
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,000
that private mint.

940
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,000
And I have used,

941
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000
I don't know why I couldn't actually meant that because I have used,

942
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,000
I have used target in the last two months because I've been buying

943
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,000
these fucking,

944
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000
I've been buying these,

945
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000
what do you call them?

946
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,000
The,

947
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,000
the little scary things.

948
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,000
What the hell those things called?

949
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,000
The scary things.

950
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,000
Yeah.

951
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Yeah.

952
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,000
I love the nightmares.

953
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,000
I love this collection.

954
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000
I think it's fucking cool as hell.

955
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,000
I've been buying them like,

956
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,000
I have like three so far I've been picking them up as like,

957
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,000
as I come along.

958
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,000
I think it's just a really unique and cool collection that is like,

959
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
my eyes way better than that kids, but whatever.

960
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000
They're,

961
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,000
they're really,

962
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000
I really enjoy these.

963
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,000
And if you actually,

964
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,000
if you zoom out and you like,

965
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000
you get a bunch in one page and you really make them large,

966
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000
they're really vibrant and they're very different.

967
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Like they're really cool.

968
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000
Like I really dig them.

969
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,000
I, yeah.

970
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,000
I enjoy this.

971
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,000
I've been buying a few of these just because they're fucking cool.

972
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000
So,

973
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000
but this is only recently,

974
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,000
it's only the last few days.

975
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000
So they must have taken some sort of snapshot before this.

976
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Anyway,

977
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,000
so I did,

978
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,000
it was not,

979
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,000
I was not in the Cosmo or in the clown thing and which I was like,

980
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,000
Oh, what the fuck?

981
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,000
Cause I did see that was in the last, whatever it was last,

982
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
it was like 4,000,

983
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,000
4,000 people use Stargaze in the last 30 days,

984
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,000
which I actually thought was really low.

985
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,000
Cause I do,

986
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,000
I don't,

987
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,000
what we don't have the Stargaze team might have it.

988
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,000
I don't have access to it,

989
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,000
but I do see how many like unique,

990
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
uh, IPs and like,

991
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,000
and, um,

992
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,000
we do a little fingerprinting,

993
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,000
actually I want to do fingerprinting API, like

994
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,000
clough for the little,

995
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,000
little finger putting on the, with the cookie on the API,

996
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,000
um, to be able to cap, to category uniques,

997
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,000
but I can only see like number of uniques over like seven,

998
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,000
14, 30 days.

999
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,000
And the unique number for those users is more than 4,000,

1000
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,000
but it could be like the number of unique wallets,

1001
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,000
um, that maybe an interactive must be purchases,

1002
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,000
I would assume maybe,

1003
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,000
um, or maybe sales or something.

1004
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,000
I don't know what that means.

1005
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,000
So I could see,

1006
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000
maybe there's a lot more people browsing than actually buying,

1007
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,000
which makes a lot of sense.

1008
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Um, but I thought 4,000,

1009
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,000
4,000 individuals interacting in Stargaze over the last 30 days was really low.

1010
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000
I thought it was way, I thought,

1011
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000
my eyes,

1012
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,000
I thought that would be a way higher number, like four or five X times that,

1013
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,000
but anyway, anyway, so, yeah.

1014
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,000
So anyway, I'm back on Stargaze by Nightmares.

1015
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000
They're, they're awesome.

1016
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,000
They're fun, right?

1017
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000
There are some random shits and,

1018
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,000
and, and, uh,

1019
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,000
style guys lately.

1020
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,000
Yeah.

1021
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Yeah.

1022
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Yeah.

1023
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
Oh, was it muscle mummies?

1024
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,000
I don't even know what the hell that sounds awful though.

1025
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000
It's just a picture of, oh, oh, yeah.

1026
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Ripped chicks.

1027
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000
It's like,

1028
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:42,000
it's like someone is going over ripped chicks and made a collection.

1029
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000
Exactly.

1030
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,000
400 minutes.

1031
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Oh man.

1032
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Yeah.

1033
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
There's some random shit in there.

1034
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000
So I've,

1035
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000
I've posted the T-shirt in the group chat.

1036
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Um, on the Stargaze front,

1037
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,000
I noticed as well that there is a prop up for permissionless,

1038
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000
um, upload on Stargaze.

1039
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000
But that's, that's not,

1040
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000
it's not permissionless permissionless, is it?

1041
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,000
It's controlled by a multi-sig.

1042
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000
I think it's permissionless permissionless, isn't it?

1043
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Is it permissionless permissionless?

1044
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Did I read that shit wrong?

1045
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,000
I think they're, they're proposing permissionless,

1046
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,000
permissionless wasm.

1047
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Who's proposing permissionless permissionless?

1048
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Uh, I think it's Gelato.

1049
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,000
Fucking Gelato, is it?

1050
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,000
If I remember correctly.

1051
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,000
Oh, it's Gelato. Oh, Fala is the, the fucking,

1052
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000
it's full permissionless.

1053
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,000
Let me just double check on the Gelato thing.

1054
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,000
I'm pretty sure that is the case.

1055
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,000
I think it was actually just rejected.

1056
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000
That feels wrong.

1057
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,000
Oh, okay.

1058
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,000
It was rejected. Okay.

1059
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000
It got rejected.

1060
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Honestly, this feels wrong.

1061
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,000
Why would it? Okay.

1062
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,000
Yeah. Well, I think their goal, um, uh, let me go back.

1063
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,000
It is Gelato who did, who did, who did propose it.

1064
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Uh, I, you know, from my perspective, uh, you know, they're,

1065
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,000
I, they're, I thought the arguments are a little bit weak.

1066
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000
Um, and I know that I heard that Shane says something in this,

1067
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,000
in this thread.

1068
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,000
I'll put the thread in the, in the show notes, um, about the idea that

1069
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,000
there was that skip was working on some sort of, uh, fast lane or

1070
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:06,000
some sort of structure to make a, uh, some, some sort of way to

1071
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,000
allow, um, the permissionless execution of certain types of

1072
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,000
contracts, maybe.

1073
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,000
Or something similar to that.

1074
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,000
I didn't really understand it that much, but, but, um, like there

1075
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,000
was a middle ground here of some sort of thing.

1076
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,000
And, um, and anyway, I, I, I didn't really think that the benefits

1077
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,000
here were that, that strong.

1078
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,000
I understand the idea of that it's expensive to put a proposal

1079
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,000
in, but okay.

1080
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,000
Yeah.

1081
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,000
But we're, but we're talking about contracts here.

1082
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,000
So I think to be able to pay to put something on chain, like a

1083
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,000
contract, it does make sense to me.

1084
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,000
And, um, and I, I, I kind of like it being permissioned.

1085
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,000
Honestly.

1086
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,000
I, you know, kind of keep some of the, some of the shit out and

1087
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,000
full permissionless.

1088
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,000
I think then you open up the world to anything.

1089
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,000
Right.

1090
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,000
I actually like stargaze remaining, um, kind of, I feel like

1091
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,000
it's one of the few bastions quote unquote of the app chain

1092
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,000
still remaining, right?

1093
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,000
Yeah.

1094
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Like you go to stargaze for stargaze.

1095
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,000
Um, I'm not opposed to like gelato on being on there or whatever,

1096
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,000
but I think, I think it's, it's, it's a case study for it and

1097
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,000
making it fully permissionless.

1098
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,000
I think kind of removes that.

1099
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Yeah.

1100
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Yeah.

1101
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,000
So I think, um, yeah.

1102
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,000
Anyway, so we, I voted no, I, you know, again, I hate fucking

1103
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,000
cosmos governance.

1104
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,000
I go, I always tell folks to vote their own shares, please.

1105
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Um, but, uh, but anyway, that was my, that was my kind of opinion

1106
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,000
on it.

1107
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,000
It seemed like it went that way.

1108
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,000
So, um, and there might be some other options for other types of

1109
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000
components that, that could happen.

1110
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,000
Um, and so in skip, the skip thing was called, uh, skips block

1111
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,000
SDK.

1112
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,000
I don't know.

1113
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,000
Skip about building a permissionless lane for stargaze that

1114
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,000
reverts cause and wasm transactions that can cause non-determinism.

1115
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,000
That's what it's called.

1116
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,000
So Frey, you might know what the hell that means.

1117
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Um, but anyway, so yeah, but there are a few other things and I

1118
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,000
think, um, there's an interesting, there's an interesting

1119
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,000
discussion on the thread, right?

1120
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,000
So, um, Triggs has the, we'll put the thread in the show notes.

1121
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,000
There's a, a good, um, kind of a bot tool or a set of questions

1122
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,000
that are raised there.

1123
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Um, and the, um, uh, J also, uh, Jorge responds as well and says

1124
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,000
that, um, points out that there's a few interesting things about

1125
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,000
the way that stargaze does things and, you know, random minting of

1126
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000
NFTs and whatnot is obviously a bit of a, I don't know, a hot

1127
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,000
button issue, but it's an issue, right?

1128
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:36,000
Um, and there are a bunch of different approaches you can take

1129
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,000
when you control what can be uploaded, right?

1130
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:45,000
Because if you know the only code your team uploads needs to rely

1131
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,000
on another piece of code, you can make assumptions about the

1132
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,000
level of randomness and you need, for example, or, um, whether

1133
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,000
or not some other project could use that in such a way that it

1134
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,000
would either cause an exploit in your own code or more likely

1135
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,000
be used to deceive a user as more of a social attack vector or any

1136
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000
other of those things.

1137
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,000
Like I think a lot of it would probably a lot of the gaming would

1138
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,000
come in, I guess in like NFT mints, uh, mints or whatever.

1139
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:21,000
Um, but, uh, so Jorge raises a couple of, I obviously, I'm not

1140
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,000
going to summarize everything, but Jorge raises a couple of

1141
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,000
points where sort of says that there are, um, there's, there's

1142
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,000
some randomness here which, which wouldn't work or could be

1143
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:36,000
gamed if other people were to upload stuff. Um, and, uh, there's

1144
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,000
some concerns around flash loans as well because, um, I mean, if

1145
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,000
you upload flash loans, you can do all sorts of funny stuff.

1146
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,000
So, um, yeah, I encourage people to read the thread.

1147
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,000
There's some stuff in there that, that, that is, is well

1148
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:56,000
discussed by the team. Um, and yeah, there's, but the bigger

1149
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,000
problem I think is, is, I think what, what, what maybe we've

1150
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,000
discussed about the strength of Stargaze in the past, which is

1151
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,000
that it's, it's strength as a project is, is got quite a tight

1152
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000
focus. It's got, so people talk about, you know, like the, the,

1153
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,000
the thing Terra got right, which is incubating specific

1154
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000
projects with specific value that fits into a vision. And

1155
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,000
that's the one thing that Stargaze is good at, um, incubating

1156
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:24,000
delivering, right? And it makes the whole platform seem shittier

1157
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,000
if shitty projects launch there and gain attention. Like if,

1158
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,000
if, um, if there were permissionless Cosmos, I'm right,

1159
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,000
and forces came back and launched on Stargaze and rugged a bunch

1160
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,000
of people, it would make the Stargaze chain look shit when the

1161
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,000
focus of the Stargaze chain is the core is, is still at the

1162
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,000
moment, the core projects that are mainly incubated by the

1163
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,000
foundation essentially. Um, so I think the product, for me, the

1164
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,000
product vision is like the biggest argument, besides that

1165
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,000
there are technical things and besides that the team themselves

1166
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,000
would actually have to implement this because it's not, it

1167
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,000
is not just this is, this is a text proposal because it can't

1168
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,000
just be done automatically. It requires a proper software

1169
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,000
update with a bunch of configuration changes, potentially

1170
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,000
some, you know, like I said, changes to contracts and, and some

1171
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,000
auditing, you know, it's not just a Yolo, um, type thing. There's

1172
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,000
a cost financial and time involved. Um, but yeah, it kind of

1173
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,000
seems to me if you were going to go permissionless on a chain

1174
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,000
that's already that got that type of product roadmap, you'd

1175
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000
want to do after you had a much greater mass adoption to say,

1176
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,000
okay, we have this really tight, really good core of the

1177
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,000
project and of the product that the users understand and that

1178
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,000
they're into. And we want to kind of allow people to interact

1179
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,000
more freely with that community and to offer them additional

1180
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:47,000
services. And we think that the core brand of our app chain is

1181
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:53,000
now well enough established that if somebody does get a popular

1182
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,000
but dog shit project on here that makes that that ends up

1183
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,000
being shit, um, it won't make it won't sell people on the

1184
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,000
entire project or the wider context of the project, I guess

1185
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,000
that would be my, uh, two cents on that. Listen, they all

1186
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,000
can't be ripped checks, you know, so you're going to have some

1187
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,000
dogs in there. Yeah. Right now. Did you, you checked ripped

1188
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,000
checks? I was minted five. Is that you sucking all those up?

1189
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:27,000
Am I competing as you? I want them all. 30 30 looks pretty

1190
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:32,000
pretty crazy. I totally agree. Um, like devaluing the brand.

1191
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,000
Yeah. I think that's a good point. Like we voted no, like,

1192
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,000
you know, it's a, it's an NFT platform. It should just stick

1193
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,000
to the NFT platform. Not there's, there's enough other general

1194
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,000
purpose wasm stuff out there. I don't really want like junk

1195
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,000
filling the blocks with crap and then people wanting to get

1196
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,000
faster blocks because of their specific like bullshit.

1197
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Yeah. So, you know, I think like the team and also like this

1198
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,000
stuff, you go permissionless. You can break it with like zero

1199
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,000
money. They exploit some stuff like that. So it's a lot easier

1200
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:17,000
to get owned. 100% like, you know, there's people who just,

1201
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,000
you know, are bored of shit and upload, you know, they'll

1202
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,000
just upload malicious contracts or stuff that uses a lot of,

1203
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:29,000
um, you know, compute and just spam it when the, when the

1204
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,000
price is low and just stuff to, you know, get themselves off

1205
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,000
of something else to do. So, you know, it's just safer to have

1206
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,000
permissioned wasm and you know, if there's a worthwhile

1207
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,000
project, I think it's got merit to pick and choose them.

1208
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,000
Like ask the community, do you want this crap on our, on our

1209
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,000
chain? Yes. Okay. I mean, it's completely different scenario

1210
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,000
to the open slather chains with permissionless wasm because

1211
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,000
that's what they're there for. They're, you know, there to be,

1212
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,000
to do testing and there to get hammered and a lot of the times

1213
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,000
they're sort of, you know, like Juno is a tip of the spear type

1214
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,000
network. They're constantly implementing new things, but

1215
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,000
they also, you know, put, put effort into security and making

1216
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,000
sure that they're 100% on top of like wasm patches and they've

1217
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,000
got a, you know, in the past, they've got a strong

1218
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,000
team. But also still got fucking rug twice. Like that, that's

1219
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,000
the thing. Like if you every permissionless cause and wasm

1220
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:35,000
chain that has any mind share and any value has been halted,

1221
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,000
I think at this point. So that's the thing. Somebody would

1222
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,000
come and grief stargaze exactly like you say, they'd be like,

1223
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,000
great, there's another thing that I can go and give a

1224
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,000
kicking if there's a wasm patch or something they haven't

1225
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:53,000
implemented. It just, it just introduces a much huge, huge

1226
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,000
security hole. Like I can't even emphasize how big the

1227
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,000
security hole you open is with cause with permissionless

1228
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,000
cause and wasm. It's the difference between, like you

1229
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,000
essentially saying we will allow arbitrary code execution on

1230
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,000
our platform. That's what you're saying when you say

1231
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,000
permissionless cause and wasm and you're trusting that you can

1232
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,000
A stay on top of updates and B that the the VM itself will

1233
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:22,000
maintain its integrity, which is obviously untrue.

1234
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,000
Because that's not how software works. They will always be

1235
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,000
bugs. And it's also provably mathematically impossible to

1236
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,000
tell. That's like at the core of all computer science that

1237
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,000
the that theorem, although you can do a bunch of form checking

1238
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,000
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but at a very deep level, you

1239
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,000
you cannot know and nobody knows and some of us as they know

1240
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,000
that they're lying unless it's high school.

1241
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,000
Old old men shake fist at cloud. I don't like that

1242
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,000
permissionless. Do you guys see that you can that you can

1243
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:59,000
now buy NFTs on Stargaze with Adam stars, USDC or Osmo

1244
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,000
directly? That is pretty damn cool.

1245
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,000
Like from those other chains with ICS or no, like on the

1246
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,000
I see it on, I think it's using the skip structure.

1247
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,000
But I think it's, but you can like you can buy it. I don't

1248
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,000
know how it works. I think it skips the whole thing around.

1249
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,000
You can basically price them within USDC, see what those are

1250
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,000
and buy them on USDC that's within your Stargaze wallet.

1251
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,000
It's pretty cool. I mean, we kind of, yeah, with the with

1252
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,000
the avalanche of users that have entered via snaps.

1253
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,000
Lucky we have always innovations.

1254
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,000
Oh, it's early.

1255
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,000
Early.

1256
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,000
Just wait for us.

1257
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,000
Where's my early flag?

1258
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:52,000
Yeah, to say,

1259
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,000
I can't put the get together the joke. I'm too tired, but the

1260
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,000
punchline is too fucking early. It's too early.

1261
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,000
It's too fucking early.

1262
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,000
Well, I'll revive it in six months.

1263
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,000
Yeah. While they're standing over Elvis is grave.

1264
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,000
So, yeah, we've, we, we, we, are we out of news? I think we're

1265
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,000
out of news. That's the end of the year.

1266
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,000
We're flailing. We're flailing news.

1267
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,000
So we've been scrabbling around our end here to fucking

1268
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,000
find servers this week, which has been fun.

1269
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,000
Yes, I'll have mostly.

1270
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,000
I'm not sure we can publicly talk about why, but a project

1271
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,000
that we're involved in has some internal testing which needs

1272
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,000
very high performance boxes.

1273
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,000
It turns out almost no vendors really have them,

1274
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,000
which has resulted in sort of sloping up to all these

1275
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,000
second tier vendors that we're trying to, you know,

1276
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,000
get ingratiate you in their good books with like, oh, no,

1277
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,000
we have things that the bigger people don't.

1278
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,000
And just like, I'm not banging down their door like the

1279
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,000
Kool-Aid guy being like, yo, I need servers.

1280
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,000
I need this spec. I need them in a week or sooner.

1281
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,000
What do you got? And then just saying, yeah, it's been

1282
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,000
some fun bare math. I this, I fucking hell bare metal.

1283
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,000
This is, this is all the fun of bare metal.

1284
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,000
Isn't that I'd forgotten all this in my, my AWS.

1285
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:21,000
I just, I just sent a message in the, in the groupie.

1286
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,000
You send a message to your groupie in the groupie.

1287
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,000
I got you.

1288
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,000
How was the design, the design critters continuing?

1289
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,000
No, no, no, no, for your provider.

1290
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,000
So I actually, uh, huh, for your, your high spec machine.

1291
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,000
Are we talking, are we talking about over age?

1292
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,000
Or are we talking about some other?

1293
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,000
No, no, the provider.

1294
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,000
I don't think, I don't think they might.

1295
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,000
So they bring your checkbooks on.

1296
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,000
I mean, that's basically what we're all doing that.

1297
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,000
Well, unfortunately, unfortunately, this, this little net

1298
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,000
that we're going to be running here is really, I think what

1299
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,000
we've been defining is either the very largest spec that

1300
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,000
exists at GCP and AWS, which I don't even know what's backing

1301
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,000
some of those. I assume those are, I don't know if those are

1302
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,000
rising or, or I mean, are epic or, or just ridiculously large

1303
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,000
Intel boxes that don't exist somewhere else.

1304
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,000
So basically every, every time a new chip comes out, they'll

1305
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,000
AWS will just rack up some, won't they?

1306
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,000
I would assume, I assume that's what that is.

1307
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,000
Right. So that's what, that's all these little I's and P's and

1308
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,000
what nots mean at the end of the things.

1309
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,000
It's when they have a new generation, they just stick some

1310
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,000
additional letters on the end of the name to make it even more

1311
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:32,000
confusing. So you're like, Oh yeah, I'll have a C8, CX 16 IP

1312
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,000
freely 27 with

1313
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:40,000
14,000 IOPS and and and, and, and, and yeah.

1314
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,000
And I'll go directly to the poolhouse as soon as I've

1315
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,000
provisioned it because our bank or immediately freeze our

1316
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,000
account. That's, that's what we do to Excel, please, to Excel.

1317
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,000
Not that yet. I make it a 16 excel.

1318
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,000
Poppers checkbook. These to burn.

1319
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,000
I'm sure I've seen some 128 core servers around recently.

1320
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,000
I don't remember where the end all this.

1321
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:09,680
So annoyingly, what these is this is that it's a it's a good mix of it needs to have a lot of parallelism, which is everybody's been saying 48 to 64.

1322
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:13,500
I mean, they say cores, but they're talking.

1323
01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:16,100
AWS cores, which really means threads.

1324
01:01:17,460 --> 01:01:22,460
And, and usually a pretty high clock speed, like over three gigahertz.

1325
01:01:22,940 --> 01:01:29,580
So to get both of those in one box right now, the only option really is Epic.

1326
01:01:29,580 --> 01:01:34,580
Uh, really rev four, which means like the nine XXX type series.

1327
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:39,020
And really within that, there's only like two or three that actually make the grade.

1328
01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:47,700
And within those, the number of those that are actually existing out there as bare metal servers that you can rent in a monthly fashion is not, it's not amazing.

1329
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:57,660
I mean, they're out there now, which like, you know, which more than they were six months ago, but they're still, they're not like everywhere, you know, so get some of those dual slot 7950X baby.

1330
01:01:57,660 --> 01:02:00,060
I mean, 7950X does not, I mean, that's not true.

1331
01:02:00,060 --> 01:02:03,140
I have two of them, one passed the benchmark and one did not.

1332
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:05,740
So, um, and also it depends.

1333
01:02:05,740 --> 01:02:06,240
Dual slot.

1334
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,700
I don't think that exists, but, but, um, okay.

1335
01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:12,300
It probably, it might do okay.

1336
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:12,820
I don't know.

1337
01:02:12,820 --> 01:02:24,380
The two CPU thing is still a little bit out, out for discussion actually, cause of the NUMA structure, but, um, but usually one, one fat, one fat bastard with a lot of RAM is, is working out better.

1338
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:27,980
And so it's, it's a, it's a real, it's, I mean, it's fine.

1339
01:02:28,540 --> 01:02:34,700
Um, you know, going back to go, it's fine and they're out there and they're expensive and you got to know what the hell you're looking for.

1340
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:42,940
And you, you know, and even like, even in terms of kernel selection and like how to set up the, I had to set up the bio, so there's a lot to this.

1341
01:02:42,940 --> 01:02:51,100
Like it's not just like you point and click and, um, and that, that, that part's a bit annoying because when you, if you look back at it and say, what are we doing this for?

1342
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:54,620
And like, what are we going to try and achieve?

1343
01:02:54,620 --> 01:02:57,820
We're going to achieve some sort of TPS number, which will be cool and it'll be great.

1344
01:02:57,820 --> 01:03:00,700
Um, but I also want to, I also want to mean something.

1345
01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:03,420
Again, wasn't that the purpose of the last one?

1346
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:04,940
They're like, oh, we have to beat our numbers.

1347
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:05,740
Yeah.

1348
01:03:05,740 --> 01:03:07,100
Let's go ahead.

1349
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:16,540
Oh, I mean, we can both talk about it, but TPS I think is a byproduct of trying to find efficiency and scale.

1350
01:03:16,540 --> 01:03:20,220
And so TPS becomes the yard measurement of that.

1351
01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:25,580
And so if you, if you, you say like, oh yeah, it's going to, we're going to get to this, some certain number, TPS number.

1352
01:03:25,580 --> 01:03:28,140
Yes, that will be an end result of this work.

1353
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:31,660
But there's, there's a ton of other benefits that come along with that, right?

1354
01:03:31,660 --> 01:03:34,300
There's efficiencies at a whole bunch of different levels.

1355
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:41,740
And they, you know, the last time we, they ended up rewriting the whole consensus engine and they found like a whole bunch of other types of things to build, grow and like the whole direction changed.

1356
01:03:41,740 --> 01:03:59,740
So it's, it's TPS is a, I think it is the thing that, that measures how much changes are going on or how much where to be able to change and then like how to find efficiencies and that efficiency finding finds other issues.

1357
01:03:59,740 --> 01:04:02,300
And then it helps like build a much more stronger product.

1358
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:09,900
So, so to say it's just chasing TPS is not really fair because I guess, and if you look at the end result, yes, we're all, we're all looking at TPS.

1359
01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:15,740
Like it comes out in TPS, but behind the scenes, that's just, that's just the end product of a whole bunch of other shit.

1360
01:04:15,740 --> 01:04:17,340
I think that will, that will change over time.

1361
01:04:18,220 --> 01:04:24,060
It is fun to think about like how much money is just being fried through doing it though, right?

1362
01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:34,220
Like through doing this, they're probably, oh, I would say a minimum of $250,000 is going to be spent over the two weeks.

1363
01:04:34,220 --> 01:04:35,740
Absolutely minimum, but way more.

1364
01:04:35,740 --> 01:04:36,140
Yeah.

1365
01:04:36,140 --> 01:04:36,780
Yeah.

1366
01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:39,660
I was trying to give as low as I could within reason.

1367
01:04:41,180 --> 01:04:42,860
I mean, we're, I'm sure three weeks.

1368
01:04:42,860 --> 01:04:44,780
I'm sure three of us are being pretty frugal about it.

1369
01:04:44,780 --> 01:04:51,260
I think some other teams are, are probably, you know, if you're at AWS, you're probably I mean, I mean, what do you spend at five, six, right a month?

1370
01:04:51,260 --> 01:04:53,100
I can, or more, right?

1371
01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:54,940
Times, times two, three or four.

1372
01:04:54,940 --> 01:05:01,900
I, I've got a pretty good idea of what that spec costs and they're not all pricey.

1373
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:02,540
How much?

1374
01:05:02,540 --> 01:05:09,500
much. You need two of them for the vals for the VFNs. You could probably get away.

1375
01:05:09,940 --> 01:05:12,560
But they're not going to do that. If they're going to just piss off into the

1376
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,440
wind that, oh, I'm just P on number eight. I'm just going to get the big

1377
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,700
spec they recommend. They're just going for the big spec.

1378
01:05:17,740 --> 01:05:21,540
You're not going to the VFNs don't need the same spec. Like even if you're just

1379
01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:24,780
going to yolo the bank, you're not going to get VFNs with the same spec. I

1380
01:05:24,780 --> 01:05:28,960
don't think people get, I don't think anybody runs unless you're like running

1381
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,040
much smaller box. I don't think anybody runs the same spec vals and

1382
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:32,920
VFNs. Do they?

1383
01:05:33,220 --> 01:05:34,140
That's what they recommend.

1384
01:05:34,220 --> 01:05:34,580
Yeah.

1385
01:05:34,740 --> 01:05:35,260
What?

1386
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:35,820
Yeah.

1387
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:36,900
That's what they recommend.

1388
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:39,540
But four boxes with that spec. Are you kidding?

1389
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,380
No, that's what they recommend. Yeah. We're not because we, you know,

1390
01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:45,420
they recommend that. They recommend that last time too, but we

1391
01:05:45,420 --> 01:05:50,860
are not careful about that. That could potentially burn $40,000 like ballpark.

1392
01:05:50,860 --> 01:05:54,720
That's as far as I could tell the cost in calculator on AWS for that. That's

1393
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:59,060
why that's why to be fair, like when the stuff has come up and the answer has

1394
01:05:59,060 --> 01:06:02,900
been like, well, you know, the, the, the value is the box isn't great, but

1395
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:06,900
worst case scenario, you know, there's always cloud providers. We are very

1396
01:06:07,340 --> 01:06:11,220
positive about cloud providers as a, you know, they have a place in this

1397
01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:14,380
discussion even when bare math is cheaper. We've been there. We've done

1398
01:06:14,380 --> 01:06:16,980
that. We've be whatever there is.

1399
01:06:18,620 --> 01:06:18,940
Yeah.

1400
01:06:19,340 --> 01:06:22,140
Do you know in their terraform or are they spec in the same box twice?

1401
01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:24,300
Did they do that before when you were running?

1402
01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:26,820
I think when you run the terraform or you would have to, you would have to

1403
01:06:26,820 --> 01:06:30,340
modify it yourself and redeploy, but it's all, um,

1404
01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:34,500
I'm asking what their terraform is. Like, does it, does it, does it automatically

1405
01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:36,100
spec the same spec twice?

1406
01:06:36,100 --> 01:06:40,940
Unless they've made a new, unless they've made a new terraform config purely for

1407
01:06:40,940 --> 01:06:41,700
preview net.

1408
01:06:42,140 --> 01:06:42,460
Yeah.

1409
01:06:44,020 --> 01:06:47,380
It will just have the main net config still in it, which is off the top of my

1410
01:06:47,380 --> 01:06:51,660
head. C6 I 16 X L with 64,000 IOPS.

1411
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:53,580
But does that use the VFN as well?

1412
01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:55,340
Because when you were doing it before,

1413
01:06:55,340 --> 01:06:56,660
validation VFN, yes.

1414
01:06:56,980 --> 01:06:59,860
Yeah. So that, I'm, that's what I'm curious on what, what they're doing.

1415
01:06:59,860 --> 01:07:03,500
Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. But you, you would configure, you, that's just by default,

1416
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:04,860
you, you would override both of those.

1417
01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:05,820
Like a variable or something.

1418
01:07:05,820 --> 01:07:06,140
Helm chart.

1419
01:07:06,380 --> 01:07:06,660
Yeah.

1420
01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:11,580
Uh, no, not in the helm chart in the, yeah. Basically in the TFFARs, you would

1421
01:07:11,580 --> 01:07:16,420
override both of those and you can do. So if you knew what you would do, oh, right.

1422
01:07:16,420 --> 01:07:16,940
Yeah. Okay.

1423
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:20,580
You would have to know what to look, but yeah, but if you're using the terraform,

1424
01:07:20,580 --> 01:07:23,020
you will know terraform. So you'll first.

1425
01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:25,740
I'm really, I'm really curious on, on what they would recommend.

1426
01:07:25,980 --> 01:07:28,740
Um, and if they are recommended the same thing twice or not, that's all.

1427
01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:30,660
Um, yeah.

1428
01:07:30,660 --> 01:07:34,620
I mean, I guess now I think about it, it would, if it's set up exactly the same

1429
01:07:34,620 --> 01:07:39,660
way as the main net, if you don't override the default, it will run two of the same thing.

1430
01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:40,380
Yeah.

1431
01:07:40,820 --> 01:07:46,220
Which would be one way of doing it. It would be a very expensive way of doing it.

1432
01:07:46,620 --> 01:07:49,820
But given that the VFN is just a relay or anyway, if the VFN tips over,

1433
01:07:49,820 --> 01:07:52,220
your validator continues working.

1434
01:07:52,220 --> 01:07:53,220
It does.

1435
01:07:53,220 --> 01:07:56,220
I, last time, I was saying before, last time we had, we're kind of

1436
01:07:56,220 --> 01:08:02,220
spilling who this is, but last time, um, we had, uh, they, they pointed all of their,

1437
01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:06,140
a lot of their traffic at our VFN, like their traffic generating transactions

1438
01:08:06,140 --> 01:08:08,740
at our VFN, which I think, I don't know if they picked everybody or if they had

1439
01:08:08,740 --> 01:08:11,140
like a, they probably picked 20 or 30 or people or whatever.

1440
01:08:11,140 --> 01:08:15,900
Um, and so we had a ton of inbound on the VFN.

1441
01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:19,180
And so the VFN was just basically consuming all that, putting it on chain.

1442
01:08:19,180 --> 01:08:22,900
So, so that thing was busy. Like it was busy, busy.

1443
01:08:23,300 --> 01:08:24,180
Uh, we're in the past.

1444
01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:25,660
All it was doing was just following the chain.

1445
01:08:25,660 --> 01:08:26,620
It wasn't nothing was happening.

1446
01:08:26,980 --> 01:08:29,500
So we were, we were accepting those transactions.

1447
01:08:29,500 --> 01:08:32,660
And so, um, we didn't upgrade, we didn't have to upgrade anything.

1448
01:08:32,660 --> 01:08:36,780
I don't remember, but I remember us, I remember being concerned because we kind

1449
01:08:36,780 --> 01:08:38,540
of, we spec'd it down like one would.

1450
01:08:38,900 --> 01:08:42,580
And, um, and next thing you know, like we have, you know, it was like

1451
01:08:42,580 --> 01:08:45,900
5,000 requests a second on the, on the API.

1452
01:08:45,900 --> 01:08:49,300
So, um, yeah, it was a bit of a, it was a bit of something.

1453
01:08:49,900 --> 01:08:53,860
Right. But that was like, what, what were you running that time?

1454
01:08:53,860 --> 01:08:55,620
That was equivalent of like,

1455
01:08:56,020 --> 01:08:58,260
those are all, uh, shit.

1456
01:08:58,260 --> 01:08:59,380
When were we running the last time?

1457
01:08:59,380 --> 01:09:02,340
I think it was a seven, eight, two, eight, eight or whatever.

1458
01:09:02,860 --> 01:09:06,660
No, I ran a, I ran some, I ran some bad ass motherfucker back then.

1459
01:09:06,660 --> 01:09:08,620
It was a seven V one three.

1460
01:09:08,820 --> 01:09:14,180
I ran a seven V one three epic, which was a, which is a kind of middle of

1461
01:09:14,180 --> 01:09:18,020
the road core, but really high clock spec on that.

1462
01:09:18,020 --> 01:09:21,020
And then I think the VFN was like just a 5950X.

1463
01:09:21,060 --> 01:09:22,820
If I remember, it was something like that.

1464
01:09:22,820 --> 01:09:26,020
It was like, it was, or maybe a 7313P or something like that.

1465
01:09:26,020 --> 01:09:26,860
It was something along the line.

1466
01:09:26,860 --> 01:09:30,340
Oh, so like, so the vowel was meatiest fuck, but the VFN was just, yeah.

1467
01:09:30,340 --> 01:09:31,860
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1468
01:09:31,860 --> 01:09:35,380
It was, was a 60 euro hats in a box basically.

1469
01:09:36,020 --> 01:09:37,180
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1470
01:09:37,180 --> 01:09:42,180
So, so it was just, it was, yeah, anyway, the whole point being is that,

1471
01:09:42,180 --> 01:09:47,100
is that, is that there's a, there's a right now there's a, if you, if you own any

1472
01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:52,620
epic, let's see, what do you, if you hold any, let's see, epic.

1473
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:55,340
9254s?

1474
01:09:55,340 --> 01:10:01,140
9274, 9254, 93, 74 Fs.

1475
01:10:01,260 --> 01:10:01,700
Yeah.

1476
01:10:02,020 --> 01:10:04,340
I'm shopping 94, 74 Fs.

1477
01:10:04,740 --> 01:10:05,740
You got any of those?

1478
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:06,940
Put them on the web.

1479
01:10:07,900 --> 01:10:09,020
There's a market right now.

1480
01:10:09,180 --> 01:10:11,060
Yeah, that shit in a web form.

1481
01:10:11,060 --> 01:10:12,220
It pays for that.

1482
01:10:12,220 --> 01:10:14,220
I'll give you a credit card for it.

1483
01:10:14,220 --> 01:10:14,460
Yeah.

1484
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:17,180
I'm hoping the sweet spot is that 93, 74 Fs.

1485
01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:24,820
That's, I mean, honestly, that is a 32 core 64 thread, 3.85 gigahertz with a 4.3

1486
01:10:24,820 --> 01:10:27,380
gigahertz boost across 64 threads.

1487
01:10:27,380 --> 01:10:30,220
Like that thing is humming with a terabyte of RAM.

1488
01:10:30,380 --> 01:10:31,020
Let's go.

1489
01:10:31,340 --> 01:10:34,340
I think we, I think we reserved you with terabyte of RAM.

1490
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:37,020
We, we, I think 768 actually is one of this.

1491
01:10:37,020 --> 01:10:42,740
We reserved a couple of 9254s, I want to say, with 512.

1492
01:10:42,780 --> 01:10:48,220
But remember that we were really scraping the bottom of the barrel to find these

1493
01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:52,340
fuckers and then shortly pointed to somewhere we might be able to get them in

1494
01:10:52,340 --> 01:10:55,100
the Netherlands and slightly different spec.

1495
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:58,260
I think it's 93 series, isn't it?

1496
01:10:58,260 --> 01:10:58,860
93.

1497
01:10:59,140 --> 01:11:00,260
93, 54, yeah.

1498
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:01,260
Is 93, 54, yeah.

1499
01:11:01,260 --> 01:11:02,900
93, 54 and the plash P.

1500
01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:05,020
That's a, I think that's 32, 64, right?

1501
01:11:05,020 --> 01:11:06,140
Versus 24, 48.

1502
01:11:06,140 --> 01:11:06,620
Yeah.

1503
01:11:06,620 --> 01:11:08,140
And then I think 512 RAM.

1504
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:10,740
So still, still beefy, beefy unit.

1505
01:11:11,060 --> 01:11:14,300
I think, I think anything above a 92, 54 year okay.

1506
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:16,900
I think you got to get above that base, that three gigahertz base clock.

1507
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:17,980
I think it's kind of the key.

1508
01:11:18,380 --> 01:11:19,220
It seems like it.

1509
01:11:19,220 --> 01:11:19,580
Yeah.

1510
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:23,620
And then, and then I think I was sure to you were saying that you had to,

1511
01:11:25,180 --> 01:11:26,380
do you upgrade the kernel?

1512
01:11:26,420 --> 01:11:27,860
Did I, or did I hallucinate that?

1513
01:11:28,220 --> 01:11:29,500
No, no, you do, you do.

1514
01:11:29,540 --> 01:11:33,460
With the base kernel that it comes with it, it's a dramatic difference.

1515
01:11:33,460 --> 01:11:37,060
Was that just what, what, what iOS were you running on the box?

1516
01:11:37,980 --> 01:11:41,260
You started, you started about your 2020, you started to do 22, right?

1517
01:11:41,620 --> 01:11:42,020
Yes.

1518
01:11:42,020 --> 01:11:43,380
So that, that still is that limit.

1519
01:11:43,380 --> 01:11:48,820
That still has the five dot X kernel, just like, like WNL, WNL 11, Linux 6.

1520
01:11:48,820 --> 01:11:49,940
LTS, right?

1521
01:11:50,260 --> 01:11:51,580
22 or that number one.

1522
01:11:51,580 --> 01:11:51,820
Yeah.

1523
01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:54,460
Cause I, it's 2304 is the most recent one.

1524
01:11:56,140 --> 01:11:56,460
Yeah.

1525
01:11:56,660 --> 01:12:01,100
And in Linux, Linux 6.x kernel is, is a pretty big bump.

1526
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:03,500
Like I ran that back in the last preview net.

1527
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:05,940
I was running six dot oh five or something.

1528
01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:09,500
Cause it literally was like an 8% bump for doing a kernel upgrade.

1529
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:13,820
And so now I'm on Debian 12, Debian 12 ships with six dot one.

1530
01:12:14,220 --> 01:12:16,620
And now there's now a 6.5 is out.

1531
01:12:17,020 --> 01:12:18,580
And I haven't really done the spec difference.

1532
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:20,420
She'll see between six dot one, six dot five.

1533
01:12:20,420 --> 01:12:24,220
I don't think it's nearly as big, but you jumping from five to six dot five is huge.

1534
01:12:24,220 --> 01:12:26,140
Like it's probably 15% or something like that.

1535
01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:28,820
No, no, no, it was 50% and one of the benchmarks.

1536
01:12:29,140 --> 01:12:29,340
Yeah.

1537
01:12:29,340 --> 01:12:30,060
That's, that's weird.

1538
01:12:30,060 --> 01:12:33,580
I know you said that before that doesn't, that doesn't really hold based on what I

1539
01:12:33,580 --> 01:12:36,300
know, but who knows, that could be like a driver thing or something, whatever.

1540
01:12:36,340 --> 01:12:37,260
I imagine it was driver thing.

1541
01:12:37,260 --> 01:12:39,420
Cause it was that very specific channel, right?

1542
01:12:39,460 --> 01:12:39,860
Oh yeah.

1543
01:12:39,860 --> 01:12:44,060
So yeah, everything else was basically the same, but that one specific one was like,

1544
01:12:44,580 --> 01:12:46,180
just got skyrocketed.

1545
01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:46,660
Yeah.

1546
01:12:46,660 --> 01:12:48,100
Well, it was, it was, yeah.

1547
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:48,860
So some of that stuff.

1548
01:12:48,860 --> 01:12:51,620
And like, again, like this is like one of those things where like, you know, you

1549
01:12:51,620 --> 01:12:54,980
could, you could point the money got at AWS and like this stuff is somewhat figured

1550
01:12:54,980 --> 01:12:55,420
out, right?

1551
01:12:55,860 --> 01:12:56,780
But here we are.

1552
01:12:56,780 --> 01:12:59,620
We're dealing with specific kernel versions and like what the NVMe channels

1553
01:12:59,620 --> 01:13:01,180
are and how fast PCI-LAs are.

1554
01:13:01,180 --> 01:13:03,340
Absolutely been scratching my head on that one.

1555
01:13:03,340 --> 01:13:04,620
If she would see how to mention it.

1556
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:10,420
But might actually have ended up getting off lightly by just, I think I just went

1557
01:13:10,420 --> 01:13:14,100
with, I think when we were 20, I want to say at 23 or four anyway.

1558
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:17,700
So I think it might be sorted because I think that's the newer version of the kernel.

1559
01:13:18,820 --> 01:13:21,620
So for my second box, I pulled 23 and I haven't received it yet.

1560
01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:23,500
So I don't know if that'll require an upgrade or not.

1561
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:24,820
We're going to find out soon.

1562
01:13:25,420 --> 01:13:27,180
23, I think ships was six.

1563
01:13:27,180 --> 01:13:28,780
That's six at one.

1564
01:13:28,780 --> 01:13:30,060
Similar to WN12, I think.

1565
01:13:30,060 --> 01:13:30,460
Yeah.

1566
01:13:30,460 --> 01:13:31,060
Yeah, I think it does.

1567
01:13:31,060 --> 01:13:31,580
I think you're right.

1568
01:13:31,580 --> 01:13:36,620
I think it's, I think, I think you don't need to fuss around with the upgrades.

1569
01:13:36,660 --> 01:13:38,140
And I was being a lazy prick.

1570
01:13:38,140 --> 01:13:39,780
So I was like, I think.

1571
01:13:39,780 --> 01:13:40,380
That's just a man.

1572
01:13:40,380 --> 01:13:43,300
I think you basically, you're basically adding another repo and just reinstalling,

1573
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:44,420
putting a kernel on top of it.

1574
01:13:44,420 --> 01:13:44,820
That's all.

1575
01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:45,780
So yeah.

1576
01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:48,860
But you know, from an app perspective, it's pretty straightforward.

1577
01:13:48,860 --> 01:13:49,740
It's nice.

1578
01:13:49,740 --> 01:13:50,020
Oh yeah.

1579
01:13:50,020 --> 01:13:54,460
I mean, like the old days, man, like fucking, not like the old days, man, running

1580
01:13:54,660 --> 01:13:56,780
fucking GCC commands and shit and trying to.

1581
01:13:57,140 --> 01:13:58,620
How do you think I got these guys praying when that thing

1582
01:13:58,620 --> 01:14:00,940
reboots like, please fucking boot?

1583
01:14:01,820 --> 01:14:04,060
I mean, but that's just the same with all technology, isn't it?

1584
01:14:04,060 --> 01:14:06,740
You always look back and you're like, fuck, it was so much worse than the old days.

1585
01:14:06,740 --> 01:14:12,180
And then you just open like no JS and get 18,000 errors from like a website,

1586
01:14:12,220 --> 01:14:13,740
like a simple one page website.

1587
01:14:13,740 --> 01:14:15,780
You're like, this is the future.

1588
01:14:16,020 --> 01:14:17,060
This is fine.

1589
01:14:17,820 --> 01:14:21,300
And you're like, yeah, it used to be really harrowing to do hardware.

1590
01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:24,700
I'm so glad that front-end development is really nice now.

1591
01:14:24,940 --> 01:14:26,540
I remember, I remember hard coding HTML.

1592
01:14:26,540 --> 01:14:27,100
Wasn't that bad?

1593
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:28,740
I've got some for this yesterday.

1594
01:14:28,980 --> 01:14:34,780
I was writing tests and in my integration tests, I would run the same thing twice,

1595
01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:36,380
one for pull request, one for pushes, right?

1596
01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:40,180
And for pushes, the test would pass before pull across it wouldn't.

1597
01:14:40,660 --> 01:14:41,980
And I tried to change all these different things.

1598
01:14:42,980 --> 01:14:44,220
And it's just for the one test.

1599
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:48,820
And so the way I got around it was just, I just removed that, that test system.

1600
01:14:48,820 --> 01:14:51,540
I was like, nah, I guess we're not, we're not running tests and pull requests anymore.

1601
01:14:51,740 --> 01:14:53,140
Because I don't, I don't allow PRs to.

1602
01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:56,700
I don't allow PRs unless, you know, everything passes, right?

1603
01:14:56,700 --> 01:14:58,940
It's got to build, it's got all the tests, got to pass, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1604
01:15:01,460 --> 01:15:02,220
Good old days.

1605
01:15:02,620 --> 01:15:03,860
Beautiful days, beautiful days.

1606
01:15:03,860 --> 01:15:04,380
So.

1607
01:15:04,940 --> 01:15:05,620
What else is going on?

1608
01:15:06,020 --> 01:15:07,340
Draw two, draw two of the week.

1609
01:15:07,340 --> 01:15:08,220
Oh yeah, that's good.

1610
01:15:08,620 --> 01:15:10,460
She'll see you're up this week.

1611
01:15:11,020 --> 01:15:12,020
Oh geez.

1612
01:15:12,460 --> 01:15:12,980
Now.

1613
01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:15,420
Left page or right page?

1614
01:15:15,820 --> 01:15:18,260
Right page, third from the top.

1615
01:15:19,460 --> 01:15:20,100
Third from the top.

1616
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:20,380
Okay.

1617
01:15:20,540 --> 01:15:23,820
We're in the muscles and fitness section.

1618
01:15:23,900 --> 01:15:25,620
Oh, Null's specialty.

1619
01:15:25,620 --> 01:15:27,940
It's actually a mute because you're so ripped.

1620
01:15:28,420 --> 01:15:30,060
25% body fat baby.

1621
01:15:31,100 --> 01:15:31,940
Yeah, boy.

1622
01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:33,900
Is he, is he in the book?

1623
01:15:35,420 --> 01:15:38,900
This is the, it has mention of engineering to be fair in this one.

1624
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:39,420
So.

1625
01:15:39,420 --> 01:15:40,100
Oh, here we go.

1626
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:41,300
Holy shit.

1627
01:15:41,740 --> 01:15:44,060
So think you've got it rough.

1628
01:15:44,260 --> 01:15:49,620
Try engineering blog posts while trying to suck down two whole baby bottles full

1629
01:15:49,620 --> 01:15:52,460
of muscle milk before the solstice ends.

1630
01:15:52,460 --> 01:15:53,700
Solstice ends.

1631
01:15:58,300 --> 01:15:59,180
Yeah, that was wrong.

1632
01:15:59,180 --> 01:15:59,980
I got it that one.

1633
01:15:59,980 --> 01:16:00,580
That was a.

1634
01:16:01,140 --> 01:16:03,700
Just replace that with writing technical proposals of some sort.

1635
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:07,260
Yeah, to be fair, writing technical documentation while trying to suck

1636
01:16:07,260 --> 01:16:10,220
down two bottles of muscle milk before the solstice ends.

1637
01:16:10,220 --> 01:16:11,700
Now it's like fucking same.

1638
01:16:12,020 --> 01:16:13,140
Running my hands a game.

1639
01:16:13,540 --> 01:16:16,500
It's speaking my language for all brother.

1640
01:16:17,620 --> 01:16:20,460
So, so, so on that.

1641
01:16:20,460 --> 01:16:20,780
So.

1642
01:16:20,780 --> 01:16:23,220
The, what we're, what we're talking about is we were talking about this.

1643
01:16:23,220 --> 01:16:27,060
Well, I was talking about this before the things that I went and got a, a

1644
01:16:27,060 --> 01:16:28,020
bow day scan.

1645
01:16:28,580 --> 01:16:31,380
It's a, it's a thing you go stand on and you hold some stuff.

1646
01:16:31,780 --> 01:16:35,420
And then it gives you all these details about, about your body.

1647
01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:37,540
And so.

1648
01:16:37,540 --> 01:16:38,420
What was the.

1649
01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:40,580
Okay, go ahead.

1650
01:16:40,580 --> 01:16:44,380
After the scan, we're standing there with a guy and we're looking through the

1651
01:16:44,820 --> 01:16:49,100
results on the screen and it comes down to the body fat percentage.

1652
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:51,940
It's like 24.7% body fat.

1653
01:16:52,660 --> 01:16:56,420
And I said, uh, imagine it, that's, uh, quite bad, isn't it?

1654
01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:58,820
He's like, it's not great.

1655
01:16:59,340 --> 01:17:05,220
And I was like, well, you know, how, you know, what, what, what kind of

1656
01:17:05,220 --> 01:17:08,220
things should I be doing to, to try and improve the situation?

1657
01:17:08,220 --> 01:17:10,700
And he's like, you like a beer, don't you?

1658
01:17:11,220 --> 01:17:11,660
So yeah.

1659
01:17:13,180 --> 01:17:15,260
This is Australia, isn't it?

1660
01:17:15,900 --> 01:17:17,180
Said you should probably stop that.

1661
01:17:17,180 --> 01:17:19,420
And I was like, yeah, you like a beer.

1662
01:17:19,420 --> 01:17:20,900
It's kind of a deal breaker for me.

1663
01:17:21,420 --> 01:17:22,460
Like I'm from Australia.

1664
01:17:22,460 --> 01:17:23,340
We all like a beer.

1665
01:17:23,620 --> 01:17:24,740
The fucking question is that.

1666
01:17:24,740 --> 01:17:28,900
Did he immediately try and make the 25, the new 12.

1667
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:32,900
Did he immediately after then say, won't you have a beer with me, mate?

1668
01:17:33,740 --> 01:17:37,460
Like, I mean, this was taking place in the closet at the pub.

1669
01:17:37,460 --> 01:17:37,980
So.

1670
01:17:39,220 --> 01:17:41,540
Then you were like, well, you've just told me not to drink.

1671
01:17:41,540 --> 01:17:42,700
So I'm not going to do that.

1672
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:44,300
And he was like, why won't you?

1673
01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:47,380
You have a bloody beer with me, mate.

1674
01:17:47,380 --> 01:17:49,740
You're like, why am I standing on a hot, good for me, mate?

1675
01:17:49,740 --> 01:17:52,820
You're standing on a hot plate holding two nine volt batteries or something.

1676
01:17:52,820 --> 01:17:53,340
Always.

1677
01:17:54,340 --> 01:17:55,420
It's like, I just stand there, dude.

1678
01:17:55,420 --> 01:17:57,020
You have to take all your clothes off first though.

1679
01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:00,620
Put this egg in your mouth.

1680
01:18:03,220 --> 01:18:05,020
Anyway, I don't recommend it.

1681
01:18:05,020 --> 01:18:06,700
It's it's quite eye opening.

1682
01:18:06,700 --> 01:18:10,020
So what, what, what prompted this decision to go?

1683
01:18:10,020 --> 01:18:11,140
This information.

1684
01:18:11,140 --> 01:18:14,140
I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,

1685
01:18:14,140 --> 01:18:16,420
I've been throughout COVID.

1686
01:18:16,420 --> 01:18:20,500
So I got a couple of injuries, like a couple of years ago,

1687
01:18:20,500 --> 01:18:22,300
like a year and a half ago.

1688
01:18:22,300 --> 01:18:24,660
And because I used to used to be reasonably fit,

1689
01:18:24,660 --> 01:18:27,380
used to run a lot and go to the gym, right?

1690
01:18:27,740 --> 01:18:31,180
And I got some injuries and then I had quite a long time off

1691
01:18:32,300 --> 01:18:35,620
doing anything because I I like recovered.

1692
01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:39,180
And then I went back to the gym straight away and like started,

1693
01:18:39,180 --> 01:18:42,020
you know, just getting excited and shooting for old PB's

1694
01:18:42,020 --> 01:18:46,820
and like re-injured myself twice after two recoveries.

1695
01:18:46,820 --> 01:18:51,140
And I was like, I think I need to just have a year or so

1696
01:18:51,580 --> 01:18:55,420
to like, let this thing just come back to like my shoulder

1697
01:18:55,420 --> 01:18:56,180
fix itself.

1698
01:18:56,860 --> 01:18:59,380
And so yeah, because it's like doing real weird.

1699
01:18:59,380 --> 01:19:02,900
Like, I think it had also trained itself to just use a front

1700
01:19:02,900 --> 01:19:04,420
delta lot instead of your chest.

1701
01:19:04,420 --> 01:19:10,540
Anyway, so I had a very long time off and then I started

1702
01:19:10,540 --> 01:19:13,780
started drinking shitloads of beer when I was off and just eating

1703
01:19:13,780 --> 01:19:15,300
like shit as well as one.

1704
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:17,220
And so then whiskey.

1705
01:19:19,700 --> 01:19:25,340
And so anyway, I went back to training about six months ago.

1706
01:19:25,780 --> 01:19:27,860
And was it irritating?

1707
01:19:27,860 --> 01:19:29,780
Like you feeling is that shoulder hurting?

1708
01:19:30,300 --> 01:19:31,460
No, it's great. It's great.

1709
01:19:31,460 --> 01:19:32,420
Oh, OK. Yeah.

1710
01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:37,540
I had over a year off and it was immediately when I went back

1711
01:19:37,540 --> 01:19:38,820
just much better.

1712
01:19:38,820 --> 01:19:41,820
I don't have to it was doing weird muscle things like it was

1713
01:19:41,820 --> 01:19:45,100
using other muscles and then it was just really compensating

1714
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:45,900
with the other muscles.

1715
01:19:45,900 --> 01:19:48,980
And then eventually and I was doing things that you probably

1716
01:19:48,980 --> 01:19:51,820
shouldn't do like pullovers and stuff with an injured shoulder.

1717
01:19:51,820 --> 01:19:55,660
And and yeah, they're just through through the whole thing off again.

1718
01:19:55,660 --> 01:19:58,580
But I was getting like lots of weird nerve and neck and shoulder

1719
01:19:58,580 --> 01:19:59,940
shit going on all at the same time.

1720
01:19:59,940 --> 01:20:01,780
It's like time to just let it do its thing.

1721
01:20:02,180 --> 01:20:04,180
Yeah. But anyway, so I've been back for a while.

1722
01:20:04,180 --> 01:20:08,860
And then, you know, it's like I'm going through a body

1723
01:20:08,860 --> 01:20:11,900
recomposition from fat bastard to less fat bastard.

1724
01:20:12,340 --> 01:20:17,860
And I didn't do like any composition scan when I first started.

1725
01:20:17,860 --> 01:20:22,420
So this was like my first comp scan to measure progress really.

1726
01:20:22,420 --> 01:20:25,460
So I'll go back in six weeks and just make sure I'm heading in the right direction.

1727
01:20:25,820 --> 01:20:30,820
But I think probably the 24 it's 24. something percent body.

1728
01:20:30,820 --> 01:20:33,740
It's not actually that it doesn't look to have seen that boundary.

1729
01:20:33,740 --> 01:20:37,260
I thought that is that BMI or is that a different thing?

1730
01:20:37,620 --> 01:20:38,620
No, it's different.

1731
01:20:38,620 --> 01:20:40,300
It's like I've got 20.

1732
01:20:40,300 --> 01:20:43,420
So this thing tells you exactly how many kilos of fat you're carrying.

1733
01:20:43,420 --> 01:20:46,300
And I'm carrying 20 kilos of fat out of 80. Jesus.

1734
01:20:47,860 --> 01:20:49,500
So it's it's still a fair bit.

1735
01:20:49,500 --> 01:20:54,620
But you know, probably what was worse is the visceral fat,

1736
01:20:54,940 --> 01:20:58,580
which was above what you need to be.

1737
01:20:58,580 --> 01:21:01,020
So what's visceral fat? Skin.

1738
01:21:01,020 --> 01:21:04,740
It's like, no, it's it's like around like all around your organs,

1739
01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:10,780
like in behind your your like abdominal muscles and up into your cavity.

1740
01:21:10,780 --> 01:21:13,020
It's like clopy hidden stuff.

1741
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:16,060
Yeah, it's like all the shit that's in your.

1742
01:21:16,540 --> 01:21:19,500
So I have like at the moment, ever since I had covid,

1743
01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:23,540
I've got like some issue like taking deep breaths.

1744
01:21:23,580 --> 01:21:26,820
I have like a shortness of breath ever since I had covid like two years ago.

1745
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:32,660
And and so, you know, I think this might be somewhat related

1746
01:21:32,660 --> 01:21:35,700
is that I might have like developed just a whole shitload of visceral fat

1747
01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:39,900
in that time as well. I'm not sure if that's that much of a factor.

1748
01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:43,220
But on the council here that average, I remember this as well,

1749
01:21:43,220 --> 01:21:44,900
because I think mine is pretty similar to yours,

1750
01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:47,940
because the average here is 18 to 24 percent for men

1751
01:21:48,380 --> 01:21:50,700
and 25 percent plus is considered obese.

1752
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:54,580
And I remember being like right in the top end of that line, like I like amount of bees.

1753
01:21:54,580 --> 01:21:56,580
Yeah, thanks, Doc.

1754
01:21:57,100 --> 01:22:02,740
And yeah, there's people who do crazy shit and get down to like sixes and stuff like that.

1755
01:22:02,740 --> 01:22:04,740
But you look like 15.

1756
01:22:04,980 --> 01:22:05,740
Yeah, 15.

1757
01:22:05,740 --> 01:22:06,900
And you look really good.

1758
01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:09,020
It says athletes are six to 13 percent.

1759
01:22:09,020 --> 01:22:11,220
Fitness is 14 to 17 percent.

1760
01:22:11,220 --> 01:22:14,580
That's like a fitness body is 14 to 17 percent, which sounds about right.

1761
01:22:14,580 --> 01:22:16,020
Right. That sounds about what you're saying.

1762
01:22:16,020 --> 01:22:19,420
Yeah. So I want to be sort of around maybe 16 or 18.

1763
01:22:19,740 --> 01:22:20,980
Maybe yeah.

1764
01:22:20,980 --> 01:22:22,380
18 is the bottom of average.

1765
01:22:22,380 --> 01:22:25,140
24 is the high end of average seems seems like a pretty good decent goal.

1766
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:30,620
Yeah, I think like I'm far from an athlete and like shooting for that type of range

1767
01:22:30,620 --> 01:22:32,420
is just probably unrealistic for me.

1768
01:22:32,420 --> 01:22:34,980
So particularly like with my lifestyle,

1769
01:22:34,980 --> 01:22:38,940
I actually have reduced my beer intake by quite a bit in the last couple of weeks

1770
01:22:38,940 --> 01:22:40,820
and my partner is pissed.

1771
01:22:40,820 --> 01:22:42,020
So.

1772
01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:46,060
Suddenly become wheelhouse fun.

1773
01:22:46,060 --> 01:22:47,340
I mean, it's our thing, right?

1774
01:22:47,340 --> 01:22:49,060
We go to pubs and we drink this.

1775
01:22:49,060 --> 01:22:51,060
Yeah.

1776
01:22:53,060 --> 01:22:55,820
So the two things I get in trust, I go on health care occasionally.

1777
01:22:55,820 --> 01:22:59,900
And the two things I get in trouble for is stopping coffee and beer.

1778
01:23:00,380 --> 01:23:01,820
Yeah, I know.

1779
01:23:01,820 --> 01:23:03,180
That's when the knives come out.

1780
01:23:03,180 --> 01:23:07,540
So, you know, I'm like, so she told me, she said,

1781
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:13,780
if you exercise, you can compensate by drinking beer and you'll be just fine.

1782
01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:18,900
So well, there is a bit of there is a bit of truth to that.

1783
01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:21,420
But it's it's quite specific, right?

1784
01:23:21,780 --> 01:23:24,540
Well, here is is it on it?

1785
01:23:24,540 --> 01:23:27,460
So you can actually use and, you know,

1786
01:23:27,580 --> 01:23:33,300
asterisk in the beer fermented proper beer is isotonic.

1787
01:23:33,660 --> 01:23:36,820
And you can have one or two after extended exercise,

1788
01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:38,980
but it does add some minerals back in.

1789
01:23:39,380 --> 01:23:44,940
And you definitely will have burnt off the calories, but that's from cardio.

1790
01:23:44,940 --> 01:23:47,100
That's not from weights.

1791
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:51,500
The big problem is, is like weights is muscle destruction and you need

1792
01:23:52,900 --> 01:23:58,980
you need like good, good calories and minerals to like repair as well as proteins.

1793
01:23:58,980 --> 01:24:05,820
And when you when you drink beer or any alcohol after training or within days of training,

1794
01:24:06,180 --> 01:24:10,180
your body actually has to process and get rid of the alcohol first and as calories.

1795
01:24:10,180 --> 01:24:14,140
And it does nothing because because it's a it's essentially a poison to your body.

1796
01:24:14,140 --> 01:24:15,580
Your body gets rid of it first.

1797
01:24:15,580 --> 01:24:20,740
And so you don't actually process any good shit that you've eaten at the same time or in the

1798
01:24:20,740 --> 01:24:24,220
I mean, if you're looking to like compete or whatever, I don't think if you do any sport,

1799
01:24:24,220 --> 01:24:26,740
you should be drinking beer after you do exercise.

1800
01:24:26,740 --> 01:24:30,900
But if you're like, yeah, if you're like a record, like I just know about it from the lens of cycling, right?

1801
01:24:30,900 --> 01:24:34,540
Which is you cycle 100 kilometers, you burn three and a half thousand calories on a ride.

1802
01:24:34,820 --> 01:24:39,500
You can fucking drink beer till the cows come home all day, every day, the week.

1803
01:24:39,500 --> 01:24:42,300
And no, you never going to put on anyway.

1804
01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:45,980
Absolutely not a couple of pints after a long ride.

1805
01:24:47,060 --> 01:24:57,860
So so what do I think in terms of like my progress, like my journey and beer is that I just need to drink less for a while,

1806
01:24:58,660 --> 01:25:04,340
to just get a like a be able to progress down to closer to where I want to be.

1807
01:25:04,340 --> 01:25:09,660
And then maybe, you know, not go back to where the amount of beer I was drinking,

1808
01:25:09,660 --> 01:25:12,540
but, you know, then be more sociable with with beer.

1809
01:25:12,540 --> 01:25:17,580
But yeah, I mean, the problem is, is that if I if I expand all the calories

1810
01:25:17,580 --> 01:25:22,540
and then replace them with beer where I'm at, then the problem is, I'm not going to make any progress.

1811
01:25:22,540 --> 01:25:28,660
But if I can get a good amount of progress down to like, you know, the shape, the body shape I want,

1812
01:25:29,260 --> 01:25:34,220
then, you know, it's beer in moderation after that is more or less maintaining.

1813
01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:41,140
So, you know, and if you start to like get to where you don't want to be again, you just stop for a while and yo, yo,

1814
01:25:41,140 --> 01:25:46,100
you're beer drinking and become completely like, you know, Instagram hoe.

1815
01:25:51,620 --> 01:25:54,620
Oh, man. So you're going to keep us all updated as this goes every six weeks.

1816
01:25:54,620 --> 01:25:56,540
You're going to check in. Can we graph it somewhere?

1817
01:25:56,540 --> 01:26:04,460
If there's if there's interest, we can we can we can include it as a six-week list.