OK, have you?
It's just it's fine.
Just a little bit more tired than I thought I was maybe.
So I think I think Null's color shirt probably threw you off.
Boys, it's not colors.
Welcome to Game of Modes, a weekly podcast from independent Valorator teams.
One of whom has a great color shirt.
Yes, gray is a color.
I said collared collared collared collared collared.
Collared.
Collared greens collared.
What's weird about this color?
Sorry, I've never seen him wear a collared shirt before.
It is on iron though, so you should you should have some record.
It is on iron though, so you should you should have some recollection of that.
Does it make a balance out?
I don't know.
You both own.
So you never wanted to show it in my fucking life.
Unlike Dr. Frey, who owns them on the table between the beer bottles.
So yeah, we're not under duress, I should say.
He was like, I have to.
I was like, you have to.
So what happened? So last week, you, Serpa and I were at SmartCon,
Shilling, Shilling the podcast, actually more than any kind of services as it turned out.
Smart move on their part.
I probably have conversations about the podcast than I did about what Needlecast
offered in terms of infrastructure, which in hindsight was not the smartest use of a trip.
Yeah, and had at least twice had an NFT, sorry, a property as an NFT project
shielded to me because apparently I look like somebody that wants to talk about that.
I mean, that's so 2021.
Yeah, I mean, I felt sorry for them, but I felt more sorry for me having to listen to it,
but you, it takes a bit of time to work out what the correct polite British exit from a conversation is.
It's very situational.
And so I was kind of stuck in the meantime.
It was teeth crunchingly bad.
It was bad.
Those were the two low points.
Actually, in a three day period where also I hope got pickpocketed and lost a bunch of stuff.
So it was an expensive trip and had to deal with property NFT chat, which was worse than getting pickpocketed would be my review of Barcelona.
So there you go.
Barcelona.
Not only did you have to deal with property NFT chat, you also shield the potty, which means that they're probably going to watch it
and now you're dissing their property NFT chat.
That's pretty optimistic that they're going to watch.
I'm probably going to watch.
I didn't show the podcast to people who I wasn't, who I didn't didn't at least say one thing that I wanted to whatever, man.
They didn't get shielded to you because I didn't think they were the podcast kind of people are listeners as we know from the extensive battery of mass surveillance techniques we unleash on our audience.
We know that they're very highly evolved humans and these NFT bozos were not the kind of creme de la creme of the human race that we want to listen to our podcast.
They're all welcome.
In fact, there's a bit of imposter syndrome I've heard amongst our audience.
You're sitting there and you're thinking, well, am I in fact the quality, the grade A++ that turns out to 11 kind of individual that is able to listen to this podcast?
Well, you self-select yourself into that group.
Welcome to Game of Nodes.
You've made the grade.
Well done.
You're doing the elite.
You're already here.
You're part of the elite, every populist on the planet.
Whenever they say we need to get rid of the elite, they're talking about you now, the listeners of Game of Nodes.
So yeah, Barcelona apparently is the pick pocket capital of Europe or something.
You should have found that out at factoid before you had your cell phone picked.
Yeah, I mean, some late, some last minute planning was involved in that trip and it really does show.
Also, taking it all the way back to the diss that I received at the top of the show, took a folded iron shirt, put it at the bottom of a hiking rucksack, which I then can't.
Like went on the train across Europe to Barcelona, got the shirt out at the other end.
Of course, it was fucked.
And then couldn't find an iron, you supper found an iron because he's an adult and there was no ironing board, however.
So we had to clear the beer bottles out of the way so that I could iron a shirt so that we could go to a VIP event that was marked specifically business casual.
And we showed up at the registration and there was some fucking guy in a onesie.
Like that's right. All of us. Teddy bears or some shit. We're like, God damn it.
We all bought an entire change of clothes so that we weren't just wearing fucking T shirt and slacks just for that one fucking thing.
There was other adults there.
There were other adults there, but then this guy fucking prances past a dinosaur onesie or whatever with his tail flacking out and you're like,
or that dude in the yellow suit with the gold crown and shit.
Yeah, there's always one.
Oh, God. Yeah. With the crown and the.
I was gonna wear a fucking crown. You're just like some king knows asshole.
Yeah, I think he had a T shirt.
Something.
So so I understood took a shirt number one didn't need it.
I understood number two didn't need it.
Took took took some fucking chinos.
Number three didn't need those.
Number four got pickpocketed largely because chinos have really, really flappy, stupid pockets that invite pickpockets to see whether there's something in your pocket.
Disaster that that VIP event.
It was good though.
How was there a pickpocket at a VIP event?
It was on the metro on the way home.
It was on the metro on the way back from the VIP event.
So it's not like, you know, bear market got you down bad.
No, we had a collect iPhones.
We're on a train.
Dude in the onesie brush past me and I was like, it's off.
I got shoulder barged by a guy in a onesie.
I didn't notice it taking my all my shit.
So it could have been targeted.
I mean, it's now happened to Matt Bell and that's how his information got out.
Like someone stole his phone or like a sim swap or something.
Right.
So they they sim swapped his account.
Okay, I was just a sim swap.
It wasn't installing social attack, baby.
I don't think it was I don't think it was targeted.
I guess you never really do know.
But I mean, I am just some fucking bozo.
Probably, I mean, let's be real, right?
In each other's hearts, in the game of nodes community, we're all big balls blockchain.
Right.
We are all Mr. Blockchain.
El Grande balls, whatever the point is.
But, you know, when you actually do go to these big, big ish, whatever events you do go,
I actually, if someone's getting targeted attacked, it's going to be an actual big balls blockchain guy.
It ain't going to be me. It's going to be one of the founders of the foundation that is, you know,
got that net worth publishing for whatever.
So, you know,
that that is one of my favorite parts of going to conferences whenever you like go to meet someone and you introduce yourself.
And then they say, like, oh, hi.
And then they just assume you already know who they are because they're so God like and they'll just give you a look as if you should be like preening to see them.
That's that's one of my favorite moments at every conference I've been to whenever that moment pops up.
I'm like, I was waiting for this one.
Where I was doing his holy, his holy presence.
I'm really sure.
See, alternatively, they just immediately turn around and mutter something about going to wait for their limo in the in the
lobby.
Yeah, I love to talk to you, but yeah, we got to go away for the limit.
I was I was at Glastonbury Festival once I did that to a radio of a famous British radio presenter, which in fairness, the radio presenter, you don't see their face.
Number two, I've listened to what I've music.
I feel like listening to I don't really listen to radio and never have, but it was one of those where I was at this stage and like they there was a guy who had like a BBC T-shirt on and I was like, oh, you guys, you guys hear part of the recording crew.
And he was like, yeah, you could say that.
Because you broadcast, I thought he was basically a technician.
He looked like a bit of a nerd.
So I was like, oh, you assume he was one of the techs.
And they're like, yeah, oh, we're recording every stage.
I was like, oh, right.
Yeah.
So you do work for the BBC.
And he's like, yeah.
And I was like, how's it going for you?
He's going, oh, it's going pretty well.
I mean, he's like a big radio guy.
He's like, yeah, it's going pretty well for me.
I guess.
So I'm like, nice, nice stuff to get into, isn't it?
But I got friends who work there and seem to like it.
And then I was just like, well, have a great festival, man.
I'll catch you later.
I walked off and then like a while later, it was like, I just saw the thing.
It was like, oh, that's that guy.
That's the guy.
I was like, yeah, good luck with your new job at BBC.
Because I thought you look like a 23 year old nerd who's just started as an intern.
It turns out he was like some 35 year old.
He just looks young.
He's 35 year old big balls.
Like, do they still have big radio guys?
Like, does anyone even listen to the fucking radio?
Yeah, they're still like, sure.
Everyone's like, you think about all the people who commute in that car.
They all listen to the radio.
But now we have to have the AM versus MF FM conversation because AM radio is way more popular.
They have way bigger personalities now.
Is it?
Really?
You'll fucking receive AM.
I don't even think they're used over here anymore.
Really?
Interesting.
Yeah, AM radio is like where you'll find like, Rush Limbaugh, I want to say is on AM.
Well, he's dead.
Well, okay.
Formerly, Rush Limbaugh.
But like those personalities you'll find over there.
I think in the UK we only, I want to say that the sports, just the rolling sports channel, the BBC do, 5 Live is AM radio, I think.
Because then you can like listen to it in the park or something, right?
Yeah.
And I think that's still AM and almost everything else is FM if it's anything like it has been for decades.
And most of that became DAB digital only like a few years ago from memory.
The only other one that's, we have long wave.
So I want to say 198, a long wave is the BBC World Service, but that's everywhere.
So, and that's more of a propaganda exercise, although the news is very good to be fair because they actually, you know, we slow regular.
We slow AM and FM.
But FM all like automatically puts the digital, you know, but it's still, it's still there.
It's taking a bounce between those.
Yeah.
I thought AM was just used because it doesn't send as great of signal.
And so like talking translates over better than like music, right?
Something like that.
Yeah.
An era bandwidth.
Yeah.
It's easy to broadcast it further or be it potentially more patchily.
Yeah, like FM is obviously can be a little bit patchy if you're like out in the middle of low, where in the hills, where it's like everybody's got to listen to the rugby or the cricket or whatever.
And usually in somewhere a bit random, like I said, in a park or field or something.
So on the one sunny day of the year.
So I always figured that's why five live was was AM, but somebody can correct me on that.
And a lot of large stuff here is moved to satellite here.
So it's all like serious exam now, which I think is global now.
Is that global or is that the only thing?
It is right subscription thing, right?
Yeah.
But like how are we going to drive around this satellite dish on that guy?
No, it's like, it's like, well, number one, it's like a small little radio and it's not like a big dish or anything like that.
And then also they obviously they broadcast it over IP.
So you can get it from anything.
Hmm.
Yeah.
So I just have to say something here.
Badger bites is bitching about a T shirt from King nodes that he's received and saying that the artifact staking T shirts are much better.
And I just have to say that T shirts are much better.
But my defense is fucking King node shirts were not for distribution.
So shut the fuck up.
They were fucked.
And that's why we didn't give them out at any conference because the printer fuck them up and they should shoot.
So, you know,
So as another funny thing that happened at smart con, based purely on having done fintech conference up toss thing, Cosmoverse in the past gateway.
I was like, ah, T shirts, give away like easy peasy.
Forget about it.
Took a bunch of our T shirts, which are fucking really good.
Um, carried them again across Europe.
My rucksack got to the other end.
Wasn't it kind of like, yeah, it was super weird.
Like sticker crowd.
If you weren't like a headline sponsor, they got fucking they just they literally they saw you doing anything.
They just grab it and throw it in the bin.
They had like security guys.
Well, we got there.
We got there Saturday morning and Saturday afternoon.
There was like a hackathon thing there.
So we went to this hotel or a big hackathon thing.
There's a ton of chain link stuff like stickers and stuff later on.
So I had, I had some rhino stickers.
I had a gaming note stickers.
I had a feeling that it wasn't really the vibe to put those things down.
Alex is like, fuck it.
It takes a bunch of these stickers out, puts them on all these different tables.
Like Lily went from table to table around and merch around all the time.
We walk around, we grab a drink, come back.
Some dudes are sitting there swiping them up.
Table table.
I can straight into the bin.
So I carry them over.
Bam.
Guys.
So it was the same thing as well.
Yeah, they were like, right of their stuff and that's the fact we're sponsoring.
So yeah.
And then, um, then let's go to the guy, he's like, I have a t-shirt too.
If you want it.
And the guy's like, no, oh wait.
Oh, you're not a fan.
Cause like, so the guy, the one guy that I actually spoke to like couple of
stickers and I was like, two stickers and maybe he just likes it.
But then I was like, no, no, no, no.
He's gonna throw it in the bin.
He's just, he doesn't look like a scary guy, but that's also a scary guy.
I had my hand.
I was just sticking them back in my pocket.
It's like, okay, these all hold it.
Yeah.
Your service is just like, uh, I guess I brought these things with me for nothing.
I'm like, uh, I guess I, I guess I carry t-shirts across Europe for nothing.
Uh, they came by, I think took 15 t-shirts with me.
Came back with like 11.
It's like, to carry them all the way back across France.
I did the same with those hats.
I brought a bunch of hats and give away one stupid.
Did you give away any in the end?
No, I had a bunch.
I was looking for specific people and then by the time I really got them picked
like in a spot, there is, I hate giving people a shit to hold and like really bad.
Situations like if we're, if we're like, you're on a show floor or something,
there's an expectation of it, but if you're like,
if it's like an after party or you're somewhere where you're out,
like I don't want to saddle somebody with some fucking thing.
You know what I mean?
Like it's nine PM and I got to carry this goddamn thing around.
So I do know what's funny is I got back to, I got stuck in London on the way,
uh, on the way through, um, I had to stay a night cause there are big train strikes
in the UK and I stuck around in London for a day and did some work stuff.
And then on the, on that day, I then had a thing where I needed to end up,
I need to give somebody like a business card and some stickers or something like that.
Um, more than one person actually.
And they were, first of all, all my business cards apparently evaporated
at some point during that trip.
Don't know where they went.
And I was just like, yeah, I think we're a business card.
Not on me.
I was like, they're in the top of my rucksack.
They must have fallen out the air B a B at the conference center.
I don't really got.
And I was just like, uh, uh, and I, cause I hadn't re-enabled telegram or anything.
I couldn't do the QR code.
I was like, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I was like, give you a sticker.
And then I remember the stickers were right at the bottom of the high key rucksack.
And this guy, these, these guys are just stood there just like, could you,
in the end, I literally wrote down our company name and our company phone number on a piece
of, on a piece of my notebook, ripped it off.
Like I was giving some girl my number and being like, call me, you know,
when you're smooth and 16, it definitely never works for you.
It does it.
It just, it's like, give me your palm.
It's going to, yeah, exactly.
It's like, she's like, no, actually, right?
My website, my hands really sweaty.
Like, would you ever get an umbrella on it?
Don't worry about it.
And you're like, damn, damn, it always works in the movies, but it turns out you have
to be attractive to do it.
No.
Anyway, so, um, so yeah, it was, and, and, and surprise, yeah, as luck would have it,
surprise, surprise that potential client has not called.
So hold on.
There's a straight, a railway strike happening in the UK.
And then you were like, you will absolutely not fly from Manchester.
You must take the train.
What if, what if there was a strike on that route or it's like specific routes
there being, having straight?
The whole the UK.
So even, I think the tubes in London weren't running.
Um, so it was really expensive.
We came, I came into, uh, like St.
Pancras and it was really, really expensive.
Although hotels within like two miles walking distance of that.
And then you could get a five star hotel across London for like the price of a
fucking travel lodge because no, everybody who's arriving in the city was like,
Oh, it was so, it was, it was super weird.
Um, but, uh, yeah.
Anyway, but obviously, yeah, you're not going to, there's no, there's literally no
fucking point flying, especially not if you're getting back at like 10 o'clock at
night.
Um, you know, that's perfectly reasonable to just grab a train and then you can
just grab a train and then arrive home.
Uh, I guess I would have arrived at the nearest station about the promise.
And when you after 10, they run a bit slower.
So what should take a couple of hours?
Take three hours.
So I would have arrived in the interstation about one and then gone and probably
grabbed my bike from the lockup.
Yeah.
I'd have been home about two in the morning.
It would have been a late night, but I could have got home that day and in the
end I didn't.
So whatever, man.
Anyway, and, and spectacularly failed to give a potential client any kind of
identifying business details.
So yeah, great trip, smashing trip, killed it, networking, people who are
wondering why we can't get our shit together and make a t-shirt.
Yeah.
Our marketing is, is the same level for the podcast and for the businesses.
That's the, the honest truth.
There we go.
Um, if it was just building a website would be, would be golden.
We're nerds, but, um, rack and up some servers or something.
Anyway, um, yeah.
So smart con other than that, other than getting people pocketed and not
really being very good at networking apparently post COVID, which I swear I
used to be good at, but I've lost the knack of, um, it was interesting.
It's really, it's also really interesting to hang out in a space where you're like,
you know, you serve, but you guys are very involved in that space.
But for us, it was more of like, uh, yeah, just kind of interesting to see
another ecosystem, how they're operating and what, what kind of stuff they're
exploring.
I guess they're very, very serious about the Treadfy and all that kind of stuff.
Right.
Yeah.
CCIP is like their future, right?
The bridge structure.
Yeah.
They're working, they're really working the bank angle and they're working with
Swift and they're working with the, what's the, what's the Australian New Zealand
banking consortium?
No, I forgot to have things called.
Yeah.
So, I would assume that they're there.
They signed some big ass deal with them and they're now on that CCIP stuff.
So, there was a lot of, the VIP thing.
I think he was from Manzi.
Yeah.
I think they're doing like a, um, like a stable coin thing in Australia.
Oh, are they?
Yeah.
Well, it's not a CBDC.
I think they're doing their own thing, but, um, I mean, I fuck knows if our
government's even doing a CBDC, they're a little bit RKK over here in that
respect, but the banks like lead the way over here for everything.
They've like, we, we, a couple of years ago, they came up with this Oscar system
where you get instant transfers between banks.
Now they used to take like fucking days before and, uh, yeah, man, they sort
of like lead everything.
So it wouldn't surprise me if like Australia's bank coin thing is from
Manzi.
I was talking to the dude at, um, there's a blockchain Australia conference
like a little while ago and, uh, had a yarn to him there and, um, yeah, man,
they're, they're pretty into it.
So I guess they're probably going to come up with something soon enough.
Yeah.
There's a lot of talking about it, like just the tokenization of those assets
and trying to find ways to yada, yada, yada, right?
So, yeah, exactly.
So it's weird how everyone knows everyone in this industry as well.
Cause like that guy was talking to another girl who, um, so I went over
to talk to this girl cause she was a speaker and she had, she spoke about
some stuff I wanted to like pick her brain on.
And then, um, so I got talking to her and she was actually, she knew Jake,
um, Hartnell.
Really?
And I was like, Oh, okay. And knew all about that out.
And we were actually talking to the INZ go about that out.
So that's cool.
Yeah.
Well, that, I think what I found out from that conference, I mean,
obviously there's a lot going on in that space and, and this traditional
finance kind of trying to find ways to use this tokenization and some sort
of structure and yada.
Um, and they're all trying to figure out like where the money is, right?
Number one.
And they're, they really want, they want traditional finance kind of security
controls and methods of transfer.
Like they're not going to use consumer based systems.
Like they're just not going to do it.
Like they're not using wormhole and shit.
So they, they, they want those types of structures.
And so that was a big topic of conversation.
And then I think what's interesting is like these, the individuals that show
up, which Alex or at which free might have met a few of them as well is like,
you have a lot of, um, bank individuals who are X web three individuals who
now have roles in that space in traditional finance.
Right.
And not to be vulgar, but the stones on these people, it's like, it's like
they are walking up like eight feet above everyone else in the room.
Just like when you talk to them, like the egos and like, like all it is is
like traditional finance people talking down to technologists.
And like it is, it is so incredibly obvious that even if you start opening
a conversation, like I had a couple of conversations with individuals and
like they would do a small intro and it was very short, which is fine.
I give a very short intro and ask what they're doing.
And then they would instantly like talk to me, but they would be looking
across the room over there and just like talking over there.
And like it was like that type of thing.
Like there's a lot of that and even on stage and some of those type situations,
but like it's like, it's an incredible amount of, um, it's a weird thing.
You can tell like they're entering in a new area and they are probably
one of a small group of people within a very large traditional finance
organization who understands this stuff.
And so therefore that just keeps pumping it up like crazy.
And they know they're gatekeepers in some sort of sense, even though
I don't think they know what they're gatekeepers for.
And so it's a, anyway, it's fun to be able to have those type of conversations.
The money man, the money, the gatekeepers, the money.
Well, they are.
And I also give them, I also give them a bit of shit too, because you can ask
like what they did in their past and you're like, Oh, that failed, didn't it?
Oh, that didn't make it.
Did it?
Oh, I heard about that.
I read about that thing blowing up on Coinbase.
Like that type of stuff.
And then like it kind of comes down to it.
There were quite a few of those, right?
Yeah.
Where it's like, oh yeah, we were really involved in that in this project.
And then it would be like, is that still going?
And say, oh yeah, I mean, it's still, it's still making blocks.
And you're like, no, but is it, is it above $1?
And you caught in the bathroom giving SPF a hand job.
There's, there's one specific conversation.
Somebody was so cocky about a specific project.
I know everything about that one.
And I was like, that didn't make it, right?
And he's like, no, but now I'm in charge of it.
You know, okay, cool.
And I worked at IBM.
Great.
There were, I, I was like, there were two conversations that I came in at,
came in on the end of with like, you know where I don't know if it's like
Simpson's when he comes in with a drink and then immediately he just in one
smooth moment, he turns and then goes back away.
He came.
Grandpa, when grandpa walks in the strip club.
Yeah.
There was, there was like, we first were on the door where I like came in the edge
of a conversation and then got with it.
We just like do.
Oh man.
Straight off to, to, I was like, oh, that is the artifact guys.
I'll just, uh, and Davis says, Juno validators giving people shit for price
action of tokens.
Yes.
We're dragging the world down with us.
Yeah.
Just to make it 100% clear.
And what's happening here.
Pierce by it's Pierce.
Yeah, we just, we're just one of us.
We're just bitter haters.
That's what we are.
I know you work at a bank now, but we're back down in this.
Look, I mean, your last was the most fun thing was when, you know, people like
you're like, oh, um, yeah, we're like, we're like a small team of validator
company and they're like, what's validator.
And you're like, we're the ones fucking toiling in the block mines.
Well, you guys are on the fucking penthouse, a swelling champagne.
Yeah.
We're the real heroes.
The story validates.
Obviously everybody does with the real heroes.
Yeah.
We're, we're just out the core face every day making blocks.
So it's a real tough gig.
And they're just like, but what do you validate?
So she do it.
You're like, uh, I don't know.
I just tell you about the cold face, motherfucker.
I make sure my number keeps going up.
Yeah.
I was like, look, look, I have a very streamlined e-max configuration.
Number one, that needs a lot of gardening.
That's like 40% of my week, right?
The other 20% of my week is optimizing that one script that fucking freaks the
shit out if number doesn't go up.
It's monitoring monitoring.
It's been two years.
I did.
The goal is to that bash script.
And the remaining percentage is the shuffling those scripts back and forth to the bank vault.
The rest of it is just everything.
This from here to here to here to here to bring up a new box that's a hit to hit.
Jake's really ambitious.
Jake says, Validated to be a T-shirt.
I, I think that the T-shirt should be validators.
Validators are the real MVP, but that MVP also is minimum viable product.
I don't know.
I would just wear a T-shirt that says Validates the real heroes to, if somebody makes that T,
in fact, I will make that T-shirt.
After this podcast, I'm going to make that T-shirt.
This might be the 70 or 75th time you've said you're going to make a T-shirt.
At least.
And then you show something off that looks great.
I'm lucky I'd buy it and you're like, okay, anyway, I'm done.
Starting right now.
I thought he was just getting at his scrapbook.
He's getting out.
Making some oil, some oil colors.
Let me show you my scrapbook of designs.
Yeah.
I write these on the train.
Where's my phone?
What are we doing, man?
Let's, uh, I'm going to close this, this point, get go page and, uh,
you want to do some good news or review the good news.
So I did get a DM last night from, um, our man and it simply said quiet week.
Did we, did we, uh, did we pay our man?
Well, I mean, I put up the proposal two weeks ago.
So did we pay him?
I don't know.
I execute it when I got back.
You want?
Did anyone execute it on?
Yeah. Yeah.
It's done.
You're not a Dow unless you're, instead of using the Dow, you are communicating
on signal or telegram with the other Dow members begging them to sign.
Okay.
That is the sign.
Let me tell you, this ain't my first Dow and that is exactly how the functional
Dow's work is.
Um, this proposal is going to actually run out in about 12 hours and people don't
get paid.
Um, so can we please get signed?
Every Dow I've ever been in.
Ignore.
Yeah, yeah, man.
I'm away from my ledger.
I'll do it when I get back to my ledger.
I was away from my ledger.
Why the fuck do you have a ledger on a?
My ledger was in my left pocket.
I didn't bring it with me.
My right pocket.
Let's just say that I didn't bring that one with me sitting here.
And it was going to get picked.
Why would you have it on a ledger?
Uh, that's a good question.
It doesn't really need to be.
No, no, it doesn't.
It doesn't need to be.
Don't judge me.
And then if it wasn't on a ledger, you could, let's, let's, let's rotate those keys boys.
Let's get them on a hot wallet on your phone with no fucking face ID.
Let's do it.
Are you working on a future?
I'm wondering what loot.
Um, Dr.
Fray's, uh, pick pocket got whether it's where he's ended up with some turd Android
phone or like, you know, the, it was, it was a Apple device.
No, it was an Android phone.
Oh, it was an Android phone.
Yep.
Pricey one too.
Samsung.
Yep.
Replace with another pricey one.
Oh, really?
Did he, uh, did he walk into the store and he's good to the next morning?
Yep.
And, uh, walk up to the counter and just said, you know, I'll take that one and points to
the top shelf.
He demanded that one.
He demanded it instantly.
I want that one.
All right.
Let's do some good news.
Yeah.
Go, go.
I don't even have it open.
I didn't even look at any of this stuff.
Go ahead.
All right.
Okay.
Item number one, uh, Caroline unsurprisingly throws Sam under the bus after being, uh,
under him for years at FTX stating in court, she was only doing what she was told, and
her boss, because they were sleeping together or by her boss because I was sleeping.
So that sounds like, uh, what's the fat man in, in, uh, in movies?
Trump?
Sounds like that scenario.
Fat man in movies.
Yeah.
You know, the, the gatekeeper for the moot for the movies for the actress.
Oh.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, fine.
Steen hynes.
Yeah, Weinstein.
Wines, thank you.
That's Weinstein.
It's like you give me a wristy and all, get you in the movies, baby.
Yeah.
The cast and couch.
Yeah.
So a bit of that.
I mean, that's expected, I suppose.
I wasn't sure.
He like rolling over.
I don't know.
But like once once that jail time is out there and they start,
they start stacking up fucking, you know,
you know, manila envelopes in front of evidence and you're sitting at the
table and blah, blah, blah.
And you start really, it's all funny.
Like you're you're on.
Okay.
Design credit should this be in regular or bold.
It should be done later.
So what would you do?
Like if I was, if I was there in the room with the guy, you know, with the,
with the glasses, where's goaxi?
Are we going back to the casting couch?
Number one, we would probably roll over as well.
I'd be like, yeah, didn't like serve anyway.
So yeah.
If it was illegal and if you're in that situation, I think in that situation,
like, I mean, it's what, when, like I said, like when they're stacking those
minimal envelopes in front of you, you're seeing the evidence and all this
happened and it's, and you're not like, you're not waiting for trial.
Like you're getting close and you're actually in that situation and you
realize at the end of this, they're going to put the cuffs in and you're going
away.
That's when the reality hits and that's when you start, you start, all your
friends are gone.
It is 100% self survival.
So it's not really surprising.
I mean, I'm, I'm too pretty for jail.
I'll snitch.
Well, it becomes a prison dilemma, right?
24% body fat.
So I'm far too pretty for jail.
This is, this is, can I just say that like, I'm at the moment, I'm basically
just listening, right?
And it is really noticeable how much more evolved for short see this because
it's like, there's like, essentially like shout, prison shower chat going on
over yonder.
And then I just hear short see say like, wait, wait, wait, wait, actually the
prisoners and then just gets cut off.
And then it's just more shower chat.
I'm like, ah, that's what the podcast sounds like.
Lucky we don't have to listen to it.
Right.
Wow.
What is the prison dilemma?
I don't know what that is.
Prison dilemma is like, if everyone together works, like works together
than everyone would be like everything would be better off, right?
Instead she's like, well, she can assume that someone else is going to snitch.
So she might have snitched first and get ahead of it.
Yeah.
That's like in the wire.
Like somebody walks back with a bag of McDonald's and they're like, what the fuck
are you snitching?
Like, yeah.
Like what the hell.
So the funny thing about the prison is that prison is dilemma is one of the
foundational questions.
It's obviously like an old philosophical philosophical thing that's one of the
foundational ones in game theory.
And when you play it, you should always betray the person.
Right.
I'm pretty certain that's right.
Right.
The dominant strategy is to always betray because you have to assume they
betrayed you.
And if you betray like the outcome for you not betraying them is that you get
totally fucked.
That's the worst case scenario, which is also the worst case scenario if you
both betray each other.
So you always want to betray them on the off chance that you then walk.
Right.
So the dominant strategy is the dominant strategy.
However, if you play the prisoner's dilemma more than once, the dominant
strategy is to copy whatever the person did the last time.
And the dominant strategy is actually to always, I think it's actually to
always, always do the honest thing and try and collaborate.
But the second most dominant one is to just copy what the other person did.
So that, and that is foundational to how BitTorrent worked.
Really?
Yeah.
So the problem is right that file sharing worked really, really badly when it
was peer to peer because no peers would actually gossip the fucking file.
Whereas if you play repeated prisoners dilemma, one of the dominant modes of
actually achieving an outcome is to somebody's going to have to go and
like fucking Wikipedia this for me.
It's been a while since I watched the lectures on this one on the courseware
for it.
But yeah, the design of the protocol is such that it's basically inspired by
the repeated prisoners dilemma to seed the file first to ensure like
essentially a maximum, a dominant outcome for the file being maximally
available to all requesting peers, which then also have to, they offer to
seed it before they start taking additional blocks, additional chunks of the
file.
So they get from fight about the prisoners dilemma, which needs a little
bit of filling in, but I think viewers of this podcast, listeners of this
podcast and viewers of the stream will know that you have to, you get introduced
to the topic and then you have to do your own research just like with the not
financial advice we give.
It feels like it's been quite a while since we've talked about taxes actually.
Speaking of going to jail, I just put a, I just put a very rough cut of a T-shirt
of literally just how that's going to background that I would absolutely
wear with Valis T-shirt.
So chat chat.
Was that the one that you posted into the discord?
Yeah.
I think it's too wide man.
You need to like, you know, stack those words or something.
Too wide.
Why would you line break it?
Every single word.
Second half in the back.
Oh, no, you should do it like it's a definition like validators and then
have like the broken out statement and then are the really, yeah.
She's right.
Actually, if you make the word validators, it like a little bit bigger on the
line above, it looks better.
No, I don't think it, uh, colon and then the.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
We gotta look at a dictionary man.
Do it like that.
What is it?
Dictionary.
What's the encyclopedia?
No, you're a dictionary.
Yeah.
What's, uh, what else we got in the news here boys?
It's, we can't just sit here and watch the fray toil on his laptop.
Go ahead.
We got next one.
Uh, wow.
Okay.
So, I mean, this, this is quite obviously a pretty slow news week.
Uh, so neutron listed on one.
The noun, right?
Jesus, I'm tired.
Help me.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, it's a thing.
It's got the noun, right?
Yeah.
Okay, right.
Thank you.
Yeah.
That's going to be shit.
I can already tell.
Yeah.
He's fucking with it too much.
I'm glad, I'm glad we're working hard on this to never release it.
Yeah.
So, uh, neutron lists on Binance, uh, causes a 40% pump across Adam and Osmo.
I didn't notice, uh, as people, uh, attempt to figure out how to trade it.
Soy, presumably soy two studio shows OSL.
Presumably I have no idea what that is.
I think it's Osmosis support league.
Maybe I think it's Osmosis support league.
Okay.
Osmosis support league.
How to single handedly do all 20 of their jobs as one person and Osmosis
fails to process swaps and IBC transactions for 40 minutes due to bots
spamming the network.
Labs.
Ramos has labs.
That makes more sense.
Yeah.
I was close.
Leagues house work.
I'm very gamer.
It does.
We're just out here gaming man.
Uh, any thoughts on that?
I mean, did anyone notice that pump?
I know I can number go down only as far as I've seen for the last year and a half.
Yeah.
Miss that pump.
Like maybe it coincided with a temporary like, you know,
East pump or something, which sort of brings the whole market.
So maybe I missed it.
Uh, certainly in the last 24 hours, there has been no pumping.
It is down only baby.
And anyone know why that is?
Is there being like any market news of being basically living in a box?
It is October.
October typically has, um, like the worst month.
If things are going to go wrong happens in October.
I'm not really sure why that is.
Um, but I want to say the 2000, like the dot com bubble happening in October,
the great recession started in October.
Um, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know why, but that's what happens.
Yeah.
I think, well, right.
When, when number go up would be what my question is cause man, we need that.
All right.
Moving on.
Um, NFTs, someone launched the perfect collection for cosmos embodying the cosmos
developer focused spirit and vision.
The, they are, they launched the cosmos canonical collection with the NFT sticker
or ticker, uh, dollar sign cosmos.
Lol.
It's a free need for 24 hours.
If you stuck in the last month, 4,000 wallets.
Uh, yes.
Um, anyone use.
Can you think of an adjective with an S that finishes the word?
What I can think of a really fucking inappropriate time to start doing design.
What is this?
Like Mad Libs?
Uh, so I'm trying to work out the, Shulze said, do it like a dictionary definition.
I'm trying to work out the pronunciation.
Um, I don't know the name of the thing, you know, when it says the pronunciation,
but it has it in that, you know, in angle brackets and like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm trying to work out what that would be for validators, but I'm just, for example,
for examples of words that end with an S to double check how that's normally done with a preceding vowel.
What, and if you're going, yes, this is how deeply he gets into a thing very quickly.
You would be, you'd be right.
We are in a rabbit hole here.
I'm going to put my bet.
My buddy, are you, are you ADHD?
I mean, his line of questioning suits his total next.
So we're just, we're just tonight.
What about the word? Yes.
Could you look up the word? Yes.
Because the S is a soft S there, right?
So that should work.
Yes.
Dang it.
He's put his thing down and I'm like, all right, hold on.
I'll put a glitch.
I'm going to put it on the program at all.
Do you want validating?
I want to be validated ors.
You want to validate or, right?
Or, well, because it's validators, the real heroes, right?
That kind of thing.
Oh, here.
It wasn't validators are the real heroes.
Yeah.
Validators are the real heroes.
It wouldn't be validator is the real hero.
Here.
He just grammatically.
Why am I doing this?
You know, we haven't had the drill tweet of the week in three weeks.
You're just trying to, you're trying to rain this,
to reel this train. I like it.
So the last item of news from Rama is that it was a quiet week.
And I don't know.
He says, I heard Noel has a special announcement for us though.
I have no idea what that is.
That shirt.
Yeah.
I mean, I did look at this.
Those shirts were not meant for public distribution.
I mean, they were initially until I saw them and decided that
they were an absolute piece of shit.
I have one.
Huh?
I have one.
I socked it away.
I'm going to pull it out 20 years from now.
Did you like take that and use it for oil rags or something?
No, you gave it to me.
I cherish it.
No, I did look at this.
I did look at this clowns, 9,000 thing.
I, I get it.
And I understand why it says cosmos,
canonical collection.
I thought for some reason when,
when Rama wrote that,
I thought it was somehow relating to like either projects or
founders or individuals in the cosmos.
Like I thought it was like then painting them as clowns,
but that's not what this is.
That's why I thought it was much harsher than what this is.
I think at least I,
at least it doesn't look that to me that way.
But,
I did inspect that.
Well,
actually it just opened up a little bit ago because it wasn't
that private mint.
And I have used,
I don't know why I couldn't actually meant that because I have used,
I have used target in the last two months because I've been buying
these fucking,
I've been buying these,
what do you call them?
The,
the little scary things.
What the hell those things called?
The scary things.
Yeah.
I love the nightmares.
I love this collection.
I think it's fucking cool as hell.
I've been buying them like,
I have like three so far I've been picking them up as like,
as I come along.
I think it's just a really unique and cool collection that is like,
my eyes way better than that kids, but whatever.
They're,
they're really,
I really enjoy these.
And if you actually,
if you zoom out and you like,
you get a bunch in one page and you really make them large,
they're really vibrant and they're very different.
Like they're really cool.
Like I really dig them.
I, yeah.
I enjoy this.
I've been buying a few of these just because they're fucking cool.
So,
but this is only recently,
it's only the last few days.
So they must have taken some sort of snapshot before this.
Anyway,
so I did,
it was not,
I was not in the Cosmo or in the clown thing and which I was like,
Oh, what the fuck?
Cause I did see that was in the last, whatever it was last,
it was like 4,000,
4,000 people use Stargaze in the last 30 days,
which I actually thought was really low.
Cause I do,
I don't,
what we don't have the Stargaze team might have it.
I don't have access to it,
but I do see how many like unique,
uh, IPs and like,
and, um,
we do a little fingerprinting,
actually I want to do fingerprinting API, like
clough for the little,
little finger putting on the, with the cookie on the API,
um, to be able to cap, to category uniques,
but I can only see like number of uniques over like seven,
14, 30 days.
And the unique number for those users is more than 4,000,
but it could be like the number of unique wallets,
um, that maybe an interactive must be purchases,
I would assume maybe,
um, or maybe sales or something.
I don't know what that means.
So I could see,
maybe there's a lot more people browsing than actually buying,
which makes a lot of sense.
Um, but I thought 4,000,
4,000 individuals interacting in Stargaze over the last 30 days was really low.
I thought it was way, I thought,
my eyes,
I thought that would be a way higher number, like four or five X times that,
but anyway, anyway, so, yeah.
So anyway, I'm back on Stargaze by Nightmares.
They're, they're awesome.
They're fun, right?
There are some random shits and,
and, and, uh,
style guys lately.
Yeah.
Oh, was it muscle mummies?
I don't even know what the hell that sounds awful though.
It's just a picture of, oh, oh, yeah.
Ripped chicks.
It's like,
it's like someone is going over ripped chicks and made a collection.
Exactly.
400 minutes.
Oh man.
Yeah.
There's some random shit in there.
So I've,
I've posted the T-shirt in the group chat.
Um, on the Stargaze front,
I noticed as well that there is a prop up for permissionless,
um, upload on Stargaze.
But that's, that's not,
it's not permissionless permissionless, is it?
It's controlled by a multi-sig.
I think it's permissionless permissionless, isn't it?
Is it permissionless permissionless?
Did I read that shit wrong?
I think they're, they're proposing permissionless,
permissionless wasm.
Who's proposing permissionless permissionless?
Uh, I think it's Gelato.
Fucking Gelato, is it?
If I remember correctly.
Oh, it's Gelato. Oh, Fala is the, the fucking,
it's full permissionless.
Let me just double check on the Gelato thing.
I'm pretty sure that is the case.
I think it was actually just rejected.
That feels wrong.
Oh, okay.
It was rejected. Okay.
It got rejected.
Honestly, this feels wrong.
Why would it? Okay.
Yeah. Well, I think their goal, um, uh, let me go back.
It is Gelato who did, who did, who did propose it.
Uh, I, you know, from my perspective, uh, you know, they're,
I, they're, I thought the arguments are a little bit weak.
Um, and I know that I heard that Shane says something in this,
in this thread.
I'll put the thread in the, in the show notes, um, about the idea that
there was that skip was working on some sort of, uh, fast lane or
some sort of structure to make a, uh, some, some sort of way to
allow, um, the permissionless execution of certain types of
contracts, maybe.
Or something similar to that.
I didn't really understand it that much, but, but, um, like there
was a middle ground here of some sort of thing.
And, um, and anyway, I, I, I didn't really think that the benefits
here were that, that strong.
I understand the idea of that it's expensive to put a proposal
in, but okay.
Yeah.
But we're, but we're talking about contracts here.
So I think to be able to pay to put something on chain, like a
contract, it does make sense to me.
And, um, and I, I, I kind of like it being permissioned.
Honestly.
I, you know, kind of keep some of the, some of the shit out and
full permissionless.
I think then you open up the world to anything.
Right.
I actually like stargaze remaining, um, kind of, I feel like
it's one of the few bastions quote unquote of the app chain
still remaining, right?
Yeah.
Like you go to stargaze for stargaze.
Um, I'm not opposed to like gelato on being on there or whatever,
but I think, I think it's, it's, it's a case study for it and
making it fully permissionless.
I think kind of removes that.
Yeah.
So I think, um, yeah.
Anyway, so we, I voted no, I, you know, again, I hate fucking
cosmos governance.
I go, I always tell folks to vote their own shares, please.
Um, but, uh, but anyway, that was my, that was my kind of opinion
on it.
It seemed like it went that way.
So, um, and there might be some other options for other types of
components that, that could happen.
Um, and so in skip, the skip thing was called, uh, skips block
SDK.
I don't know.
Skip about building a permissionless lane for stargaze that
reverts cause and wasm transactions that can cause non-determinism.
That's what it's called.
So Frey, you might know what the hell that means.
Um, but anyway, so yeah, but there are a few other things and I
think, um, there's an interesting, there's an interesting
discussion on the thread, right?
So, um, Triggs has the, we'll put the thread in the show notes.
There's a, a good, um, kind of a bot tool or a set of questions
that are raised there.
Um, and the, um, uh, J also, uh, Jorge responds as well and says
that, um, points out that there's a few interesting things about
the way that stargaze does things and, you know, random minting of
NFTs and whatnot is obviously a bit of a, I don't know, a hot
button issue, but it's an issue, right?
Um, and there are a bunch of different approaches you can take
when you control what can be uploaded, right?
Because if you know the only code your team uploads needs to rely
on another piece of code, you can make assumptions about the
level of randomness and you need, for example, or, um, whether
or not some other project could use that in such a way that it
would either cause an exploit in your own code or more likely
be used to deceive a user as more of a social attack vector or any
other of those things.
Like I think a lot of it would probably a lot of the gaming would
come in, I guess in like NFT mints, uh, mints or whatever.
Um, but, uh, so Jorge raises a couple of, I obviously, I'm not
going to summarize everything, but Jorge raises a couple of
points where sort of says that there are, um, there's, there's
some randomness here which, which wouldn't work or could be
gamed if other people were to upload stuff. Um, and, uh, there's
some concerns around flash loans as well because, um, I mean, if
you upload flash loans, you can do all sorts of funny stuff.
So, um, yeah, I encourage people to read the thread.
There's some stuff in there that, that, that is, is well
discussed by the team. Um, and yeah, there's, but the bigger
problem I think is, is, I think what, what, what maybe we've
discussed about the strength of Stargaze in the past, which is
that it's, it's strength as a project is, is got quite a tight
focus. It's got, so people talk about, you know, like the, the,
the thing Terra got right, which is incubating specific
projects with specific value that fits into a vision. And
that's the one thing that Stargaze is good at, um, incubating
delivering, right? And it makes the whole platform seem shittier
if shitty projects launch there and gain attention. Like if,
if, um, if there were permissionless Cosmos, I'm right,
and forces came back and launched on Stargaze and rugged a bunch
of people, it would make the Stargaze chain look shit when the
focus of the Stargaze chain is the core is, is still at the
moment, the core projects that are mainly incubated by the
foundation essentially. Um, so I think the product, for me, the
product vision is like the biggest argument, besides that
there are technical things and besides that the team themselves
would actually have to implement this because it's not, it
is not just this is, this is a text proposal because it can't
just be done automatically. It requires a proper software
update with a bunch of configuration changes, potentially
some, you know, like I said, changes to contracts and, and some
auditing, you know, it's not just a Yolo, um, type thing. There's
a cost financial and time involved. Um, but yeah, it kind of
seems to me if you were going to go permissionless on a chain
that's already that got that type of product roadmap, you'd
want to do after you had a much greater mass adoption to say,
okay, we have this really tight, really good core of the
project and of the product that the users understand and that
they're into. And we want to kind of allow people to interact
more freely with that community and to offer them additional
services. And we think that the core brand of our app chain is
now well enough established that if somebody does get a popular
but dog shit project on here that makes that that ends up
being shit, um, it won't make it won't sell people on the
entire project or the wider context of the project, I guess
that would be my, uh, two cents on that. Listen, they all
can't be ripped checks, you know, so you're going to have some
dogs in there. Yeah. Right now. Did you, you checked ripped
checks? I was minted five. Is that you sucking all those up?
Am I competing as you? I want them all. 30 30 looks pretty
pretty crazy. I totally agree. Um, like devaluing the brand.
Yeah. I think that's a good point. Like we voted no, like,
you know, it's a, it's an NFT platform. It should just stick
to the NFT platform. Not there's, there's enough other general
purpose wasm stuff out there. I don't really want like junk
filling the blocks with crap and then people wanting to get
faster blocks because of their specific like bullshit.
Yeah. So, you know, I think like the team and also like this
stuff, you go permissionless. You can break it with like zero
money. They exploit some stuff like that. So it's a lot easier
to get owned. 100% like, you know, there's people who just,
you know, are bored of shit and upload, you know, they'll
just upload malicious contracts or stuff that uses a lot of,
um, you know, compute and just spam it when the, when the
price is low and just stuff to, you know, get themselves off
of something else to do. So, you know, it's just safer to have
permissioned wasm and you know, if there's a worthwhile
project, I think it's got merit to pick and choose them.
Like ask the community, do you want this crap on our, on our
chain? Yes. Okay. I mean, it's completely different scenario
to the open slather chains with permissionless wasm because
that's what they're there for. They're, you know, there to be,
to do testing and there to get hammered and a lot of the times
they're sort of, you know, like Juno is a tip of the spear type
network. They're constantly implementing new things, but
they also, you know, put, put effort into security and making
sure that they're 100% on top of like wasm patches and they've
got a, you know, in the past, they've got a strong
team. But also still got fucking rug twice. Like that, that's
the thing. Like if you every permissionless cause and wasm
chain that has any mind share and any value has been halted,
I think at this point. So that's the thing. Somebody would
come and grief stargaze exactly like you say, they'd be like,
great, there's another thing that I can go and give a
kicking if there's a wasm patch or something they haven't
implemented. It just, it just introduces a much huge, huge
security hole. Like I can't even emphasize how big the
security hole you open is with cause with permissionless
cause and wasm. It's the difference between, like you
essentially saying we will allow arbitrary code execution on
our platform. That's what you're saying when you say
permissionless cause and wasm and you're trusting that you can
A stay on top of updates and B that the the VM itself will
maintain its integrity, which is obviously untrue.
Because that's not how software works. They will always be
bugs. And it's also provably mathematically impossible to
tell. That's like at the core of all computer science that
the that theorem, although you can do a bunch of form checking
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but at a very deep level, you
you cannot know and nobody knows and some of us as they know
that they're lying unless it's high school.
Old old men shake fist at cloud. I don't like that
permissionless. Do you guys see that you can that you can
now buy NFTs on Stargaze with Adam stars, USDC or Osmo
directly? That is pretty damn cool.
Like from those other chains with ICS or no, like on the
I see it on, I think it's using the skip structure.
But I think it's, but you can like you can buy it. I don't
know how it works. I think it skips the whole thing around.
You can basically price them within USDC, see what those are
and buy them on USDC that's within your Stargaze wallet.
It's pretty cool. I mean, we kind of, yeah, with the with
the avalanche of users that have entered via snaps.
Lucky we have always innovations.
Oh, it's early.
Early.
Just wait for us.
Where's my early flag?
Yeah, to say,
I can't put the get together the joke. I'm too tired, but the
punchline is too fucking early. It's too early.
It's too fucking early.
Well, I'll revive it in six months.
Yeah. While they're standing over Elvis is grave.
So, yeah, we've, we, we, we, are we out of news? I think we're
out of news. That's the end of the year.
We're flailing. We're flailing news.
So we've been scrabbling around our end here to fucking
find servers this week, which has been fun.
Yes, I'll have mostly.
I'm not sure we can publicly talk about why, but a project
that we're involved in has some internal testing which needs
very high performance boxes.
It turns out almost no vendors really have them,
which has resulted in sort of sloping up to all these
second tier vendors that we're trying to, you know,
get ingratiate you in their good books with like, oh, no,
we have things that the bigger people don't.
And just like, I'm not banging down their door like the
Kool-Aid guy being like, yo, I need servers.
I need this spec. I need them in a week or sooner.
What do you got? And then just saying, yeah, it's been
some fun bare math. I this, I fucking hell bare metal.
This is, this is all the fun of bare metal.
Isn't that I'd forgotten all this in my, my AWS.
I just, I just sent a message in the, in the groupie.
You send a message to your groupie in the groupie.
I got you.
How was the design, the design critters continuing?
No, no, no, no, for your provider.
So I actually, uh, huh, for your, your high spec machine.
Are we talking, are we talking about over age?
Or are we talking about some other?
No, no, the provider.
I don't think, I don't think they might.
So they bring your checkbooks on.
I mean, that's basically what we're all doing that.
Well, unfortunately, unfortunately, this, this little net
that we're going to be running here is really, I think what
we've been defining is either the very largest spec that
exists at GCP and AWS, which I don't even know what's backing
some of those. I assume those are, I don't know if those are
rising or, or I mean, are epic or, or just ridiculously large
Intel boxes that don't exist somewhere else.
So basically every, every time a new chip comes out, they'll
AWS will just rack up some, won't they?
I would assume, I assume that's what that is.
Right. So that's what, that's all these little I's and P's and
what nots mean at the end of the things.
It's when they have a new generation, they just stick some
additional letters on the end of the name to make it even more
confusing. So you're like, Oh yeah, I'll have a C8, CX 16 IP
freely 27 with
14,000 IOPS and and and, and, and, and yeah.
And I'll go directly to the poolhouse as soon as I've
provisioned it because our bank or immediately freeze our
account. That's, that's what we do to Excel, please, to Excel.
Not that yet. I make it a 16 excel.
Poppers checkbook. These to burn.
I'm sure I've seen some 128 core servers around recently.
I don't remember where the end all this.
So annoyingly, what these is this is that it's a it's a good mix of it needs to have a lot of parallelism, which is everybody's been saying 48 to 64.
I mean, they say cores, but they're talking.
AWS cores, which really means threads.
And, and usually a pretty high clock speed, like over three gigahertz.
So to get both of those in one box right now, the only option really is Epic.
Uh, really rev four, which means like the nine XXX type series.
And really within that, there's only like two or three that actually make the grade.
And within those, the number of those that are actually existing out there as bare metal servers that you can rent in a monthly fashion is not, it's not amazing.
I mean, they're out there now, which like, you know, which more than they were six months ago, but they're still, they're not like everywhere, you know, so get some of those dual slot 7950X baby.
I mean, 7950X does not, I mean, that's not true.
I have two of them, one passed the benchmark and one did not.
So, um, and also it depends.
Dual slot.
I don't think that exists, but, but, um, okay.
It probably, it might do okay.
I don't know.
The two CPU thing is still a little bit out, out for discussion actually, cause of the NUMA structure, but, um, but usually one, one fat, one fat bastard with a lot of RAM is, is working out better.
And so it's, it's a, it's a real, it's, I mean, it's fine.
Um, you know, going back to go, it's fine and they're out there and they're expensive and you got to know what the hell you're looking for.
And you, you know, and even like, even in terms of kernel selection and like how to set up the, I had to set up the bio, so there's a lot to this.
Like it's not just like you point and click and, um, and that, that, that part's a bit annoying because when you, if you look back at it and say, what are we doing this for?
And like, what are we going to try and achieve?
We're going to achieve some sort of TPS number, which will be cool and it'll be great.
Um, but I also want to, I also want to mean something.
Again, wasn't that the purpose of the last one?
They're like, oh, we have to beat our numbers.
Yeah.
Let's go ahead.
Oh, I mean, we can both talk about it, but TPS I think is a byproduct of trying to find efficiency and scale.
And so TPS becomes the yard measurement of that.
And so if you, if you, you say like, oh yeah, it's going to, we're going to get to this, some certain number, TPS number.
Yes, that will be an end result of this work.
But there's, there's a ton of other benefits that come along with that, right?
There's efficiencies at a whole bunch of different levels.
And they, you know, the last time we, they ended up rewriting the whole consensus engine and they found like a whole bunch of other types of things to build, grow and like the whole direction changed.
So it's, it's TPS is a, I think it is the thing that, that measures how much changes are going on or how much where to be able to change and then like how to find efficiencies and that efficiency finding finds other issues.
And then it helps like build a much more stronger product.
So, so to say it's just chasing TPS is not really fair because I guess, and if you look at the end result, yes, we're all, we're all looking at TPS.
Like it comes out in TPS, but behind the scenes, that's just, that's just the end product of a whole bunch of other shit.
I think that will, that will change over time.
It is fun to think about like how much money is just being fried through doing it though, right?
Like through doing this, they're probably, oh, I would say a minimum of $250,000 is going to be spent over the two weeks.
Absolutely minimum, but way more.
Yeah.
I was trying to give as low as I could within reason.
I mean, we're, I'm sure three weeks.
I'm sure three of us are being pretty frugal about it.
I think some other teams are, are probably, you know, if you're at AWS, you're probably I mean, I mean, what do you spend at five, six, right a month?
I can, or more, right?
Times, times two, three or four.
I, I've got a pretty good idea of what that spec costs and they're not all pricey.
How much?
much. You need two of them for the vals for the VFNs. You could probably get away.
But they're not going to do that. If they're going to just piss off into the
wind that, oh, I'm just P on number eight. I'm just going to get the big
spec they recommend. They're just going for the big spec.
You're not going to the VFNs don't need the same spec. Like even if you're just
going to yolo the bank, you're not going to get VFNs with the same spec. I
don't think people get, I don't think anybody runs unless you're like running
much smaller box. I don't think anybody runs the same spec vals and
VFNs. Do they?
That's what they recommend.
Yeah.
What?
Yeah.
That's what they recommend.
But four boxes with that spec. Are you kidding?
No, that's what they recommend. Yeah. We're not because we, you know,
they recommend that. They recommend that last time too, but we
are not careful about that. That could potentially burn $40,000 like ballpark.
That's as far as I could tell the cost in calculator on AWS for that. That's
why that's why to be fair, like when the stuff has come up and the answer has
been like, well, you know, the, the, the value is the box isn't great, but
worst case scenario, you know, there's always cloud providers. We are very
positive about cloud providers as a, you know, they have a place in this
discussion even when bare math is cheaper. We've been there. We've done
that. We've be whatever there is.
Yeah.
Do you know in their terraform or are they spec in the same box twice?
Did they do that before when you were running?
I think when you run the terraform or you would have to, you would have to
modify it yourself and redeploy, but it's all, um,
I'm asking what their terraform is. Like, does it, does it, does it automatically
spec the same spec twice?
Unless they've made a new, unless they've made a new terraform config purely for
preview net.
Yeah.
It will just have the main net config still in it, which is off the top of my
head. C6 I 16 X L with 64,000 IOPS.
But does that use the VFN as well?
Because when you were doing it before,
validation VFN, yes.
Yeah. So that, I'm, that's what I'm curious on what, what they're doing.
Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. But you, you would configure, you, that's just by default,
you, you would override both of those.
Like a variable or something.
Helm chart.
Yeah.
Uh, no, not in the helm chart in the, yeah. Basically in the TFFARs, you would
override both of those and you can do. So if you knew what you would do, oh, right.
Yeah. Okay.
You would have to know what to look, but yeah, but if you're using the terraform,
you will know terraform. So you'll first.
I'm really, I'm really curious on, on what they would recommend.
Um, and if they are recommended the same thing twice or not, that's all.
Um, yeah.
I mean, I guess now I think about it, it would, if it's set up exactly the same
way as the main net, if you don't override the default, it will run two of the same thing.
Yeah.
Which would be one way of doing it. It would be a very expensive way of doing it.
But given that the VFN is just a relay or anyway, if the VFN tips over,
your validator continues working.
It does.
I, last time, I was saying before, last time we had, we're kind of
spilling who this is, but last time, um, we had, uh, they, they pointed all of their,
a lot of their traffic at our VFN, like their traffic generating transactions
at our VFN, which I think, I don't know if they picked everybody or if they had
like a, they probably picked 20 or 30 or people or whatever.
Um, and so we had a ton of inbound on the VFN.
And so the VFN was just basically consuming all that, putting it on chain.
So, so that thing was busy. Like it was busy, busy.
Uh, we're in the past.
All it was doing was just following the chain.
It wasn't nothing was happening.
So we were, we were accepting those transactions.
And so, um, we didn't upgrade, we didn't have to upgrade anything.
I don't remember, but I remember us, I remember being concerned because we kind
of, we spec'd it down like one would.
And, um, and next thing you know, like we have, you know, it was like
5,000 requests a second on the, on the API.
So, um, yeah, it was a bit of a, it was a bit of something.
Right. But that was like, what, what were you running that time?
That was equivalent of like,
those are all, uh, shit.
When were we running the last time?
I think it was a seven, eight, two, eight, eight or whatever.
No, I ran a, I ran some, I ran some bad ass motherfucker back then.
It was a seven V one three.
I ran a seven V one three epic, which was a, which is a kind of middle of
the road core, but really high clock spec on that.
And then I think the VFN was like just a 5950X.
If I remember, it was something like that.
It was like, it was, or maybe a 7313P or something like that.
It was something along the line.
Oh, so like, so the vowel was meatiest fuck, but the VFN was just, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was, was a 60 euro hats in a box basically.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So, so it was just, it was, yeah, anyway, the whole point being is that,
is that, is that there's a, there's a right now there's a, if you, if you own any
epic, let's see, what do you, if you hold any, let's see, epic.
9254s?
9274, 9254, 93, 74 Fs.
Yeah.
I'm shopping 94, 74 Fs.
You got any of those?
Put them on the web.
There's a market right now.
Yeah, that shit in a web form.
It pays for that.
I'll give you a credit card for it.
Yeah.
I'm hoping the sweet spot is that 93, 74 Fs.
That's, I mean, honestly, that is a 32 core 64 thread, 3.85 gigahertz with a 4.3
gigahertz boost across 64 threads.
Like that thing is humming with a terabyte of RAM.
Let's go.
I think we, I think we reserved you with terabyte of RAM.
We, we, I think 768 actually is one of this.
We reserved a couple of 9254s, I want to say, with 512.
But remember that we were really scraping the bottom of the barrel to find these
fuckers and then shortly pointed to somewhere we might be able to get them in
the Netherlands and slightly different spec.
I think it's 93 series, isn't it?
93.
93, 54, yeah.
Is 93, 54, yeah.
93, 54 and the plash P.
That's a, I think that's 32, 64, right?
Versus 24, 48.
Yeah.
And then I think 512 RAM.
So still, still beefy, beefy unit.
I think, I think anything above a 92, 54 year okay.
I think you got to get above that base, that three gigahertz base clock.
I think it's kind of the key.
It seems like it.
Yeah.
And then, and then I think I was sure to you were saying that you had to,
do you upgrade the kernel?
Did I, or did I hallucinate that?
No, no, you do, you do.
With the base kernel that it comes with it, it's a dramatic difference.
Was that just what, what, what iOS were you running on the box?
You started, you started about your 2020, you started to do 22, right?
Yes.
So that, that still is that limit.
That still has the five dot X kernel, just like, like WNL, WNL 11, Linux 6.
LTS, right?
22 or that number one.
Yeah.
Cause I, it's 2304 is the most recent one.
Yeah.
And in Linux, Linux 6.x kernel is, is a pretty big bump.
Like I ran that back in the last preview net.
I was running six dot oh five or something.
Cause it literally was like an 8% bump for doing a kernel upgrade.
And so now I'm on Debian 12, Debian 12 ships with six dot one.
And now there's now a 6.5 is out.
And I haven't really done the spec difference.
She'll see between six dot one, six dot five.
I don't think it's nearly as big, but you jumping from five to six dot five is huge.
Like it's probably 15% or something like that.
No, no, no, it was 50% and one of the benchmarks.
Yeah.
That's, that's weird.
I know you said that before that doesn't, that doesn't really hold based on what I
know, but who knows, that could be like a driver thing or something, whatever.
I imagine it was driver thing.
Cause it was that very specific channel, right?
Oh yeah.
So yeah, everything else was basically the same, but that one specific one was like,
just got skyrocketed.
Yeah.
Well, it was, it was, yeah.
So some of that stuff.
And like, again, like this is like one of those things where like, you know, you
could, you could point the money got at AWS and like this stuff is somewhat figured
out, right?
But here we are.
We're dealing with specific kernel versions and like what the NVMe channels
are and how fast PCI-LAs are.
Absolutely been scratching my head on that one.
If she would see how to mention it.
But might actually have ended up getting off lightly by just, I think I just went
with, I think when we were 20, I want to say at 23 or four anyway.
So I think it might be sorted because I think that's the newer version of the kernel.
So for my second box, I pulled 23 and I haven't received it yet.
So I don't know if that'll require an upgrade or not.
We're going to find out soon.
23, I think ships was six.
That's six at one.
Similar to WN12, I think.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it does.
I think you're right.
I think it's, I think, I think you don't need to fuss around with the upgrades.
And I was being a lazy prick.
So I was like, I think.
That's just a man.
I think you basically, you're basically adding another repo and just reinstalling,
putting a kernel on top of it.
That's all.
So yeah.
But you know, from an app perspective, it's pretty straightforward.
It's nice.
Oh yeah.
I mean, like the old days, man, like fucking, not like the old days, man, running
fucking GCC commands and shit and trying to.
How do you think I got these guys praying when that thing
reboots like, please fucking boot?
I mean, but that's just the same with all technology, isn't it?
You always look back and you're like, fuck, it was so much worse than the old days.
And then you just open like no JS and get 18,000 errors from like a website,
like a simple one page website.
You're like, this is the future.
This is fine.
And you're like, yeah, it used to be really harrowing to do hardware.
I'm so glad that front-end development is really nice now.
I remember, I remember hard coding HTML.
Wasn't that bad?
I've got some for this yesterday.
I was writing tests and in my integration tests, I would run the same thing twice,
one for pull request, one for pushes, right?
And for pushes, the test would pass before pull across it wouldn't.
And I tried to change all these different things.
And it's just for the one test.
And so the way I got around it was just, I just removed that, that test system.
I was like, nah, I guess we're not, we're not running tests and pull requests anymore.
Because I don't, I don't allow PRs to.
I don't allow PRs unless, you know, everything passes, right?
It's got to build, it's got all the tests, got to pass, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Good old days.
Beautiful days, beautiful days.
So.
What else is going on?
Draw two, draw two of the week.
Oh yeah, that's good.
She'll see you're up this week.
Oh geez.
Now.
Left page or right page?
Right page, third from the top.
Third from the top.
Okay.
We're in the muscles and fitness section.
Oh, Null's specialty.
It's actually a mute because you're so ripped.
25% body fat baby.
Yeah, boy.
Is he, is he in the book?
This is the, it has mention of engineering to be fair in this one.
So.
Oh, here we go.
Holy shit.
So think you've got it rough.
Try engineering blog posts while trying to suck down two whole baby bottles full
of muscle milk before the solstice ends.
Solstice ends.
Yeah, that was wrong.
I got it that one.
That was a.
Just replace that with writing technical proposals of some sort.
Yeah, to be fair, writing technical documentation while trying to suck
down two bottles of muscle milk before the solstice ends.
Now it's like fucking same.
Running my hands a game.
It's speaking my language for all brother.
So, so, so on that.
So.
The, what we're, what we're talking about is we were talking about this.
Well, I was talking about this before the things that I went and got a, a
bow day scan.
It's a, it's a thing you go stand on and you hold some stuff.
And then it gives you all these details about, about your body.
And so.
What was the.
Okay, go ahead.
After the scan, we're standing there with a guy and we're looking through the
results on the screen and it comes down to the body fat percentage.
It's like 24.7% body fat.
And I said, uh, imagine it, that's, uh, quite bad, isn't it?
He's like, it's not great.
And I was like, well, you know, how, you know, what, what, what kind of
things should I be doing to, to try and improve the situation?
And he's like, you like a beer, don't you?
So yeah.
This is Australia, isn't it?
Said you should probably stop that.
And I was like, yeah, you like a beer.
It's kind of a deal breaker for me.
Like I'm from Australia.
We all like a beer.
The fucking question is that.
Did he immediately try and make the 25, the new 12.
Did he immediately after then say, won't you have a beer with me, mate?
Like, I mean, this was taking place in the closet at the pub.
So.
Then you were like, well, you've just told me not to drink.
So I'm not going to do that.
And he was like, why won't you?
You have a bloody beer with me, mate.
You're like, why am I standing on a hot, good for me, mate?
You're standing on a hot plate holding two nine volt batteries or something.
Always.
It's like, I just stand there, dude.
You have to take all your clothes off first though.
Put this egg in your mouth.
Anyway, I don't recommend it.
It's it's quite eye opening.
So what, what, what prompted this decision to go?
This information.
I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,
I've been throughout COVID.
So I got a couple of injuries, like a couple of years ago,
like a year and a half ago.
And because I used to used to be reasonably fit,
used to run a lot and go to the gym, right?
And I got some injuries and then I had quite a long time off
doing anything because I I like recovered.
And then I went back to the gym straight away and like started,
you know, just getting excited and shooting for old PB's
and like re-injured myself twice after two recoveries.
And I was like, I think I need to just have a year or so
to like, let this thing just come back to like my shoulder
fix itself.
And so yeah, because it's like doing real weird.
Like, I think it had also trained itself to just use a front
delta lot instead of your chest.
Anyway, so I had a very long time off and then I started
started drinking shitloads of beer when I was off and just eating
like shit as well as one.
And so then whiskey.
And so anyway, I went back to training about six months ago.
And was it irritating?
Like you feeling is that shoulder hurting?
No, it's great. It's great.
Oh, OK. Yeah.
I had over a year off and it was immediately when I went back
just much better.
I don't have to it was doing weird muscle things like it was
using other muscles and then it was just really compensating
with the other muscles.
And then eventually and I was doing things that you probably
shouldn't do like pullovers and stuff with an injured shoulder.
And and yeah, they're just through through the whole thing off again.
But I was getting like lots of weird nerve and neck and shoulder
shit going on all at the same time.
It's like time to just let it do its thing.
Yeah. But anyway, so I've been back for a while.
And then, you know, it's like I'm going through a body
recomposition from fat bastard to less fat bastard.
And I didn't do like any composition scan when I first started.
So this was like my first comp scan to measure progress really.
So I'll go back in six weeks and just make sure I'm heading in the right direction.
But I think probably the 24 it's 24. something percent body.
It's not actually that it doesn't look to have seen that boundary.
I thought that is that BMI or is that a different thing?
No, it's different.
It's like I've got 20.
So this thing tells you exactly how many kilos of fat you're carrying.
And I'm carrying 20 kilos of fat out of 80. Jesus.
So it's it's still a fair bit.
But you know, probably what was worse is the visceral fat,
which was above what you need to be.
So what's visceral fat? Skin.
It's like, no, it's it's like around like all around your organs,
like in behind your your like abdominal muscles and up into your cavity.
It's like clopy hidden stuff.
Yeah, it's like all the shit that's in your.
So I have like at the moment, ever since I had covid,
I've got like some issue like taking deep breaths.
I have like a shortness of breath ever since I had covid like two years ago.
And and so, you know, I think this might be somewhat related
is that I might have like developed just a whole shitload of visceral fat
in that time as well. I'm not sure if that's that much of a factor.
But on the council here that average, I remember this as well,
because I think mine is pretty similar to yours,
because the average here is 18 to 24 percent for men
and 25 percent plus is considered obese.
And I remember being like right in the top end of that line, like I like amount of bees.
Yeah, thanks, Doc.
And yeah, there's people who do crazy shit and get down to like sixes and stuff like that.
But you look like 15.
Yeah, 15.
And you look really good.
It says athletes are six to 13 percent.
Fitness is 14 to 17 percent.
That's like a fitness body is 14 to 17 percent, which sounds about right.
Right. That sounds about what you're saying.
Yeah. So I want to be sort of around maybe 16 or 18.
Maybe yeah.
18 is the bottom of average.
24 is the high end of average seems seems like a pretty good decent goal.
Yeah, I think like I'm far from an athlete and like shooting for that type of range
is just probably unrealistic for me.
So particularly like with my lifestyle,
I actually have reduced my beer intake by quite a bit in the last couple of weeks
and my partner is pissed.
So.
Suddenly become wheelhouse fun.
I mean, it's our thing, right?
We go to pubs and we drink this.
Yeah.
So the two things I get in trust, I go on health care occasionally.
And the two things I get in trouble for is stopping coffee and beer.
Yeah, I know.
That's when the knives come out.
So, you know, I'm like, so she told me, she said,
if you exercise, you can compensate by drinking beer and you'll be just fine.
So well, there is a bit of there is a bit of truth to that.
But it's it's quite specific, right?
Well, here is is it on it?
So you can actually use and, you know,
asterisk in the beer fermented proper beer is isotonic.
And you can have one or two after extended exercise,
but it does add some minerals back in.
And you definitely will have burnt off the calories, but that's from cardio.
That's not from weights.
The big problem is, is like weights is muscle destruction and you need
you need like good, good calories and minerals to like repair as well as proteins.
And when you when you drink beer or any alcohol after training or within days of training,
your body actually has to process and get rid of the alcohol first and as calories.
And it does nothing because because it's a it's essentially a poison to your body.
Your body gets rid of it first.
And so you don't actually process any good shit that you've eaten at the same time or in the
I mean, if you're looking to like compete or whatever, I don't think if you do any sport,
you should be drinking beer after you do exercise.
But if you're like, yeah, if you're like a record, like I just know about it from the lens of cycling, right?
Which is you cycle 100 kilometers, you burn three and a half thousand calories on a ride.
You can fucking drink beer till the cows come home all day, every day, the week.
And no, you never going to put on anyway.
Absolutely not a couple of pints after a long ride.
So so what do I think in terms of like my progress, like my journey and beer is that I just need to drink less for a while,
to just get a like a be able to progress down to closer to where I want to be.
And then maybe, you know, not go back to where the amount of beer I was drinking,
but, you know, then be more sociable with with beer.
But yeah, I mean, the problem is, is that if I if I expand all the calories
and then replace them with beer where I'm at, then the problem is, I'm not going to make any progress.
But if I can get a good amount of progress down to like, you know, the shape, the body shape I want,
then, you know, it's beer in moderation after that is more or less maintaining.
So, you know, and if you start to like get to where you don't want to be again, you just stop for a while and yo, yo,
you're beer drinking and become completely like, you know, Instagram hoe.
Oh, man. So you're going to keep us all updated as this goes every six weeks.
You're going to check in. Can we graph it somewhere?
If there's if there's interest, we can we can we can include it as a six-week list.