1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,160 They forget about the thing growing up and then like it 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,360 essentially blows up and just you just hear like a bang. 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,920 And then next time you open the cupboard to get shit out of 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,720 the cupboard, fucking cider everywhere, man, sucks. 5 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:17,240 I've done that with key for it. 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:17,760 Right. 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,840 I used to store it right behind my couch. 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:20,920 Why behind my couch? 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:21,840 Because I was in college. 10 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:25,560 And so the back of my couch was covered in like milk key for 11 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:26,360 just everywhere. 12 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,640 So that couch had to go because it was coming out. 13 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,680 Steps where it takes step back. 14 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,520 Sorry, what the fuck? 15 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,040 Wait, did you actually brew cider or was it just like a sink full 16 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,080 of like unclean dishes that was this was just fermenting at its own? 17 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,360 Welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from independent 18 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,440 validated teams. 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,600 Hello, and welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:57,920 independent validator teams. 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,080 And on this week's episode, we want to kick off and immediately 22 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,960 start talking about the bizarre team tactics from team Yumbo 23 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:07,880 Visma in the last two stages of the world to Spain. 24 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:14,240 What was Jonas Fingegard doing on stage 16 when he started 25 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,240 opening up a gap with three kilometers to go? 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,280 Is GC Coos a meme or is it a dream? 27 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,920 Shorty, what do you think is happening in the DS camp at 28 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,040 Yumbo Visma right now? 29 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:27,560 Well, I assume these are all words. 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,120 But I can't quite identify. 31 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,480 No idea what the fuck you're talking about. 32 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:32,680 Like none. 33 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,160 Is that the title? 34 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,200 Prescripted. 35 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Okay, so that I just assumed was real. 36 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,080 I have no idea. 37 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,000 Of course, the the Fuelta, which is currently happening. 38 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,000 But yeah, a little bit of internecine warfare looks like 39 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:50,840 it's taking hold. 40 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,360 It'd be interesting to see what happens there. 41 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,680 You guys kind of have a dog in the fight, right? 42 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,360 Because the current Red Jersey race leader is Sepp Coos, 43 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,600 Yankee Doodle, you know, the Durango kid. 44 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,240 What are we talking about? 45 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,840 Durango, that's a place in America somewhere. 46 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,360 What are we talking about? 47 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,440 Are we talking about a sport? 48 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,240 Are we talking about? 49 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,480 I have a feeling this is a cycling reference. 50 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:15,960 Is it a cycling reference? 51 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:16,880 It has to be. 52 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,840 For some reason, I feel like it was F1. 53 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:19,760 I don't know why. 54 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,600 No, F1, some people know about. 55 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Like there was actually recognizable names on F1. 56 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,280 You said the word Sepp Coos. 57 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,360 Sepp Coos, the name you said? 58 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:31,560 Sepp Coos, yeah. 59 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,280 See that one's that one's actually Googleable. 60 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:35,200 I had to figure that one. 61 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,800 I had to figure out it was going to be like Bob Smith or something. 62 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,400 Sepp Coos. Yeah. 63 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,400 That's the name. He's a cyclist. 64 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,480 OK, that's quite the name. 65 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,000 Sepp Coos and Sepp SEPP. 66 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,360 Double P. SEPP. 67 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,440 So close to that. 68 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,640 C USS K USS. 69 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,080 K USS so close to piss spilled backwards. 70 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,440 Almost. 71 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,280 Piss. 72 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:00,360 It's sup. 73 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,360 Sup piss. 74 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,320 I'm not sure that that. 75 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:06,320 Oh, yeah. 76 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,920 You're close enough with that you can say that, right? 77 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,240 Yeah, just go down to the cafe. 78 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:12,920 Hey, Sepp. 79 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:13,960 Yeah, Sepp Coos. 80 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,160 I assume he lives in Andorra, like most professional cyclists 81 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,560 for tax and altitude reasons. 82 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,360 But but yeah, he's American. 83 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,080 Yeah, yeah, that's why I said he's from Derango. 84 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,080 Yeah. 85 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,240 I see somewhere high in America. 86 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:30,240 It's in Wyoming. 87 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,240 I think is what we're talking about. 88 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,240 Yeah. Wyoming. 89 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,640 That's is Wyoming a high state. 90 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,760 I mean, it can be. 91 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,880 Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's quite high because in the Rockies, 92 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,320 it's definitely the rockies. 93 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:43,280 He's known as a climber. 94 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,320 So that would be if you'd grown up an altitude that would. 95 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:47,960 6500 feet. 96 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,480 So yeah, it's up to you. 97 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,040 So yeah, it's up there. 98 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,520 What's that real money? 99 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,040 2000 meters. 100 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,040 A little bit more. 101 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,040 Yeah. 102 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,040 Okay. 2000. 103 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,160 That's pretty fucking high. 104 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,720 That's like top of an Alp high. 105 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,320 Okay. So no wonder he's quite a good climber if you fucking grew 106 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,840 up in the in the bloody mountains. 107 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,120 Yeah, literally with no accident. 108 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,120 Just going up. 109 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,120 Yeah. 110 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,680 He's just used to having no oxygen at all any of the time. 111 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,360 Anyway, Drango's in Colorado, though. 112 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,360 Is it? 113 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,560 Is there Durango, Wyoming as well? 114 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,960 I looked up Durango, Wyoming, because I didn't recognize it. 115 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,960 I'm from Wyoming, you know, and. 116 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Oh, no, you're right. 117 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:25,960 Colorado. 118 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,960 My bad. 119 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:27,960 My bad. 120 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:28,960 You're right. 121 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:29,960 It's Colorado. 122 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:30,960 I got excited for a moment there. 123 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:31,960 I was like, wow, someone that's actually from Wyoming. 124 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,360 No, you're from Wyoming. 125 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,080 Somebody's from Wyoming doing something. 126 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,080 I got excited for a moment. 127 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,080 I was like, wow, my people. 128 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,080 It's just out there in the world. 129 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,080 Not a bear or something. 130 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,080 Yeah. 131 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,320 All our stories are about bears. 132 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,600 My, although this is not relevant, we should move on to the news in a second. 133 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:58,320 My favorite thing that's happened in cycling in the last couple of years was with in the 134 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,640 Olympics, right? 135 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:05,200 The British coverage is super strange, right? 136 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:10,520 We only ever get medals in a couple of sports, but cycling is one of them. 137 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,240 One of the ones that we won was Cross Mountain Biking. 138 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,440 The guy that won that thing is about 20 years old, something like that. 139 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:17,920 His name's Tom Pickock. 140 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:23,520 He happens to be a road cyclist and he's very good despite being very, very young, but 141 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,400 he's not really like a household name. 142 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,840 They had this interview with his parents where they were obviously pissed with their friends 143 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:32,280 at a pub in Yorkshire, right? 144 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:33,640 They were very Yorkshire people. 145 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,360 They're very, very plain spoken. 146 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,440 They're just like shenanigans going on in the background and stuff like this. 147 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,600 Halfway through the interview, something just falls over in back of shot. 148 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,600 It was amazing. 149 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,000 The best thing was the interviewers obviously were just knocking through whenever a British 150 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 person won a medal. 151 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,160 They were just like, oh, quickly, interview the family. 152 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,280 They had none of the background. 153 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:56,280 They just figured out this guy's 19 years old. 154 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:57,680 He probably lives with his parents. 155 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,000 This is a real shock. 156 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,480 They have no idea that he's probably on a 2 million euro contract. 157 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,720 Lives in Andorra, is a professional cyclist, has done a couple of seasons, has won some 158 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,640 pretty major one day races. 159 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:15,000 They interview his parents who all of their children are really sporty in some way. 160 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:20,640 They're like rowers or they're on the development team for gymnastics, for Team GB or something. 161 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:21,640 All of the kids are. 162 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:22,640 There's these two parents. 163 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,560 They're just like, oh, so it's very hot in Japan. 164 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,480 Did Tom have the heat training tents that Team GB gave out? 165 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,400 Did he put it up in the garden? 166 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,160 Then his mum's just like, oh, I expected to put it up in his flat in Andorra where he 167 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,840 bloody lives kind of thing. 168 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:40,840 It was great. 169 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:44,240 Then there's obviously between shots. 170 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,760 You could tell the dad was just surreptitiously swinging for a bite of beer. 171 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:53,520 At the end of the interview, somebody had put some flowers and stuff in the edge of 172 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:54,520 the shot. 173 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,280 There's like a congratulations, I guess, while they were talking. 174 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:00,920 Then everything just tipped over really slowly like that. 175 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,560 Just as they were saying goodbye, it was a shambles. 176 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,560 It was great. 177 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaking of shambles, our new section, courtesy of Rama, was supposed to be live delivered 178 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:19,480 by Rama today, but I gather he's having technical issues, which is why I'm having to hastily 179 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:25,640 cover with some phrase favorite cycling moments for the last three years. 180 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,360 My screen keeps going blue. 181 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,800 I can share some cycling moments too. 182 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:39,760 The world record for racing the Great Divide, which is a 2700 mile bike route from Canada 183 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,600 to Mexico, just got beat. 184 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,720 It's 12 days and 12 hours. 185 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,600 Like 17 minutes is the new record. 186 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,160 So he averaged like 250 miles per day. 187 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,120 That's what from the border of the border, is that what we said? 188 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,920 It's from Banff, Canada to the border of Mexico. 189 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,920 Yeah. 190 00:07:58,920 --> 00:07:59,920 Going down the Rockies. 191 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:00,920 That's a true. 192 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,120 How many miles a day? 193 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,120 250 miles a day. 194 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,120 And insane amount. 195 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,120 I mean, you're going. 196 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,120 Mostly downhill, right? 197 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,120 No. 198 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,120 No. 199 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,560 So you're starting off at Banff, which means you are. 200 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:14,680 You're pretty high. 201 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:15,680 You're quite high. 202 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:16,680 Yeah. 203 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,960 And you climb over the Rockies in Wyoming, come back down, climb over the Rockies in 204 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,080 Colorado, come back down, New Mexico, come back down. 205 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,080 That's what it's. 206 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:29,040 I think, wait, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico. 207 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,040 Insane amount of climbing. 208 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,600 12 days, 12 hours. 209 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:32,600 Absolutely outrageous. 210 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,840 That's like the new cannonball, huh? 211 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:36,840 That's like the. 212 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,840 It's the cyclist cannonball. 213 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:39,840 Yeah. 214 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:40,840 That's totally crazy. 215 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:41,840 It is crazy. 216 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,080 And the way he did it, here's how he did it. 217 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,600 He didn't think he'd win the record, but he was like, I figured I'd try this new thing 218 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,520 where I would ride my bike for 48 hours straight and then I would sleep for 12 hours. 219 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,760 And then I'd just repeated that a couple of times. 220 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:54,760 Perfect. 221 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:55,760 Because he did good. 222 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:56,760 Yeah. 223 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:57,760 It's pretty straightforward. 224 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:58,760 Yeah. 225 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:04,360 I was like, I'm going to ride a lot and then I'm going to sleep. 226 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:05,360 Yeah. 227 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,120 There's a pretty devastating. 228 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,920 It's the interesting documentary. 229 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:11,920 It's kind of low key. 230 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,680 It's like very low budget. 231 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:16,760 It's called something like, oh, what's it called? 232 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,440 On board the transcontinental race, I think, which is despite. 233 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,240 I was on the edge of my seat. 234 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,120 I was on the edge of the continent of Europe, say three day, 4,000 mile. 235 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,120 I think it's three days. 236 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,320 It's something like three or four days. 237 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,080 Oh, no, no, it's got to be more than that. 238 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,080 I think three or four days is the quickest time people do it. 239 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,760 I think it's about 4,000 kilometers. 240 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,840 But there's really hard cut off time. 241 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:45,960 And if you're just a bit not fit enough to really be doing it, the cut off time is such 242 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,640 that you will probably do it on that day and you'll probably arrive on that day, but you 243 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,400 will miss the cut because the cut is like early evening. 244 00:09:54,400 --> 00:10:02,280 So on that final day, if you've paced it badly, you will be like 50 kilometers too slow. 245 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,440 And it happens to loads of people who are just not quite fit enough to do it in the 246 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,840 time cut. 247 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,080 And this documentary covers like three years of it, just following some riders and following 248 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,240 like because I think the founder had died shortly before, had been hit by a car and 249 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,240 died. 250 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:24,240 And that's why they sort of crowdfunded this film about this DIY race, basically, because 251 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:30,320 they were like, yeah, maybe look left before you turn in case there's a cyclist. 252 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:35,240 And also here's a cool event in his documentary in honor of the guy that died. 253 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,280 But yeah, they cover about three years of it because of COVID. 254 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,240 I think they were going to do two years of it and then they ended up having like a big 255 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,160 gap or something like that. 256 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,720 But every time people miss the time gap by like a really small amount after being on 257 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,680 their bike nonstop for a week and sleeping like three hours a night and stuff. 258 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:52,680 It's brutal. 259 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,640 I don't know why it's, it's paced. 260 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:01,400 It must be like, it must be like if you can ride like 200 watts or like whatever that 261 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,040 is in watts per kilo for most people, like I don't know if you can ride like 2.4 watts 262 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,440 per kilo constantly forever, you won't make the time cut. 263 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,600 But if you ride 2.5 or it must be like something like they've just, there's something about 264 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:14,600 the average. 265 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,200 It just means that it, like if you're pretty fit, you'll fail. 266 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:24,040 But if you're, you've trained your, your, your proverbials off, then you'll be fine. 267 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,040 I don't know. 268 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,760 But it's really sad. 269 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Like when you, the great divides a heck of a lot of fun to watch because, you know, they're 270 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,040 in the mountains most times, you don't have reception. 271 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,400 And so they, everyone has like the garment and reach, which tracks them the entire time. 272 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,200 And then you get on a, they're on a webpage that you can see. 273 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,120 And from like day one, you'll start seeing people flip from orange where like they're 274 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,080 active to gray where now they're just a tourer, they're no longer a race. 275 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,080 Just toast. 276 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,080 Yeah. 277 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,080 Yeah. 278 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,960 There was a documentary about the great divide on Netflix, wasn't there? 279 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:02,840 I don't know about Netflix, but yeah, there was one that followed Lauren, I believe. 280 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,760 Is that ride the divide? 281 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:05,760 Yeah. 282 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:06,760 I'll put a link. 283 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:07,760 They're crazy. 284 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,760 They'll, they'll, the people that do the great divide, they'll prep by riding from like 285 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,520 wherever they came from, so a lot of people will ride from like Juneau, Alaska down to 286 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,520 BAM for like Florida to BAM. 287 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,120 And you're like, okay, so you're just going to do like a 3000 mile warmup ride? 288 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,120 Great. 289 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,120 Perfect. 290 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,120 Smart. 291 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,120 I mean, that sounds like fun, man. 292 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,280 It would, but Jesus God, that means like you're riding for two months. 293 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:39,120 I mean, yeah, if that bull market had gone a bit better, where would Brady now? 294 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,120 Yeah. 295 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:45,920 I would have been riding in the mountains with a, with a Garmin and a bike in a packet 296 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:46,920 of Chris probably. 297 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,720 Although probably not actually because I ended up having a baby, so it'd be really 298 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:51,720 irresponsible. 299 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:52,720 Just to sort out some things. 300 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,600 No, you probably can't, you can't just, you can't just lash a baby to the back of the 301 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:57,600 bike. 302 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,040 That's not a sensible thing. 303 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,000 Well, you could do a cargo bike. 304 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,240 Like one guy, he raced the great divide with his dog. 305 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,760 Get this dog out of here, really? 306 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,000 I, I, let me pull it up. 307 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,320 I swear to God. 308 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,040 So I know for a fact that there, somebody has completed. 309 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:16,120 So there's a nine day event in the UK called the lands and to John a growth. 310 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,120 It's like not too bad. 311 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:22,200 It's like whatever 130 kilometers a day and Britain's not that hilly. 312 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:28,920 But I know I'm pretty certain that somebody a couple of years ago rode it on a tandem where 313 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:34,920 their young child was on the back as a non peddling tandem rider. 314 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,400 And then there was a trailer behind, I think with their baby. 315 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:44,040 And then their wife was, I think maybe also with the trailer, I think they had three kids. 316 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,160 It was insane. 317 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,640 This whole family like did it. 318 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:49,960 Citation needed on that one. 319 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,080 But I think they also got their own. 320 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:57,400 So one of somebody I know rode a hill climb race. 321 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,640 They were a hill climber before they became a mom. 322 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:06,240 And they rode a hill climb race when their daughter was a year old with their daughter 323 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,800 in a buggy behind the race, behind the bike. 324 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:16,200 And in time trials and regulated time trials, most of them whimsically as a relic from when 325 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,080 this was a thing and like the 1910s or whatever, they have a separate category that you automatically 326 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,720 get put in if you turn up on a tandem. 327 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:29,040 A lot of regulation time trials can't technically stop you from lining up if you line up on 328 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,040 a tandem. 329 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,560 On the second of the day, it was a thing, right? 330 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,040 You just get put into your own category. 331 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:39,000 So if you turn up with your baby daughter in a pulley thing and it's got wheels, they 332 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,280 just go, I guess it's a tandem. 333 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,160 And then you end up winning the tandem category as the only entrance. 334 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:51,520 So there's a time trial out in the Peak District that has like a standing record for the tandem 335 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,720 and it's been set by this lady and a daughter, which is quite funny. 336 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:56,720 That's pretty fun. 337 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:57,720 That's cool. 338 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,720 Yeah, they're like. 339 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,720 They're like, I'm not tired of my resume. 340 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:02,720 Yeah. 341 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:07,120 I was just looking at you brought up this. 342 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,120 I was looking up. 343 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,040 I remember like some other story similar that with the dog on the back of the bike. 344 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,000 I remember somebody doing the same thing with like walking across the United States. 345 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,000 Forest gum. 346 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,000 No, it wasn't forest. 347 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,000 Forest did that too, right? 348 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,000 But it wasn't that a plot point. 349 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,000 That's a good point. 350 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,400 That was I was looking at Subway Sean, which I think was like around the, I remember this 351 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:31,920 guy from, I think it was around the pandemic who walked from New York to LA, but only ate 352 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,880 at Subway sandwich locations like the whole way. 353 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,640 It was 176 days of just walking and subway. 354 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,320 I remember this because he was live streaming like every day because he just walked literally 355 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:42,320 like down. 356 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:48,160 I mean, so Subway is one of my go to meals for when I do like long bike packing rides 357 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,480 that and Taco Bell. 358 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,640 Taco Bell is like the best. 359 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:52,640 Oh yeah. 360 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,400 Cause it has a really little glycemic index. 361 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,400 So like if you need energy now, you eat some Taco Bell and like you're ready to rock right 362 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:59,400 now. 363 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,080 But Subway is actually great like value for money for like calories. 364 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,080 Yeah. 365 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,080 That's fun. 366 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,440 Yeah, but you need like the right calories as well. 367 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,720 I mean, yeah, I'm not saying it's part of this complete breakfast, right? 368 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,760 I'm just saying like going on. 369 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:14,760 Yeah. 370 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,520 But this is why Belgium is the best place to do long distance cycling because weirdly 371 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,560 they have a big expat Italian community. 372 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:28,200 And so everywhere like not because of Italian people everywhere will serve you a carbonara 373 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,080 in Belgium like almost all of Wallonia. 374 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,840 They're just like everywhere just serve spaghetti carbonara, right? 375 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,680 And then the beer is bottle conditioned. 376 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:42,240 So it actually does have some nutrients in it and it's isotonic because it's beer, right? 377 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,240 So it's okay. 378 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:44,560 It's a little bit dehydrating. 379 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,200 Let's just put a pin in that one. 380 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:51,440 Yes, it is 9% which is not good for your hand like coordination, but one or two at lunchtime. 381 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:52,600 I mean, come on. 382 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,600 Come on. 383 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:54,600 Come on. 384 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,600 Again, you're burning that off. 385 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:56,600 Yeah. 386 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:57,600 Exactly. 387 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:58,600 I'm just saying, you know. 388 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:59,600 Seems like a good time. 389 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,600 Where'd you do it? 390 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,600 Stop for chocolate. 391 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,600 I mean, that's great to chocolate. 392 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,680 I mean, chocolate is just legit straight up. 393 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,360 Super good for the long rides. 394 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:09,360 I mean, just sugar. 395 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:10,360 You just want carbohydrate, right? 396 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:15,160 On a super long ride, you just the closer it is to raw sugar. 397 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,040 Actually if you make your own flapjacks, that's the winning because you can put multiple 398 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:25,280 types of sugar in, so you put like brown sugar and then muscovado sugar and then one of them 399 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,520 will act differently from the other, I guess. 400 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:31,520 For pancakes? 401 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:32,520 Wait, what? 402 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,520 What are you saying to me, right? 403 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,040 Is that different from a flapjack and a pancake? 404 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,040 I thought those were the same thing. 405 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,040 No, wait, what? 406 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,760 No, flapjack is a cake made of oats. 407 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:41,760 Oh, not here. 408 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:42,760 Yeah, not here. 409 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:43,760 Same thing here. 410 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,960 Flapjack is like you get oats and you get golden syrup and then you add sugar and then 411 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,560 whatever you want to it and then you bake it. 412 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:52,560 That's a flapjack. 413 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:53,560 It's an oat paste. 414 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:54,560 That sounds awesome. 415 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,560 I'm going to look at the recipe for that right now. 416 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:03,280 I can give you mine, my man, although I think they're about 800 calories per flapjack because 417 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,640 they're for long distance cycling. 418 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,960 I normally go with oatmeal scotchies for that. 419 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:09,960 You go for what? 420 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:10,960 Oatmeal scotchies. 421 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,360 It's like an oatmeal cookie with butter scotch chips in them. 422 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:14,360 Oh, it's so good. 423 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:17,560 Okay, so basically the same thing because you can make it because flapjack is oats, right? 424 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:24,240 And you can actually do flapjacks with oatmeal, which makes it kind of cakey and consistency. 425 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,680 Although I don't know for the purposes of the conversation the other week about the 426 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,360 whole cake lawsuit thing. 427 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:35,120 I don't know whether flapjacks with oatmeal and biscuits or cake. 428 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:40,600 I think they're still biscuits legally, probably. 429 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,680 We are off the fucking rails here. 430 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:43,680 Yeah. 431 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,600 So I think we need to conclude that Rama is dead. 432 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:48,600 He's dead. 433 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,560 Long live the Rama and we're going to have to continue without him. 434 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,240 As like, yeah, but first. 435 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:55,240 Huge disappointment. 436 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,240 Huge disappointment. 437 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,240 Huge. 438 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,760 Yeah, it's nice to let the interns have a crack at the prize and like come out from behind 439 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,400 the curtain, but you know, not going to happen on this occasion. 440 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,400 So. 441 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:07,400 Oh yeah, dig the book out. 442 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:08,400 Let's get moving. 443 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:09,400 Let's get the win on this. 444 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,400 Right. 445 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,400 Short seat. 446 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,400 You're up this week. 447 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,400 Say when? 448 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,880 Oh, we are in the section marked police. 449 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,360 Would you like the left page or the right page? 450 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:23,040 Right page fourth from the bottom. 451 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,040 Fourth from the bottom. 452 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,040 So the counting up. 453 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,040 Yep. 454 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,040 Yep. 455 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,920 A man on a mountaintop won't stop yelling wanker. 456 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,520 The cops cannot reach him because of falling rocks. 457 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,520 Sounds like one. 458 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,520 That's a good one. 459 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:48,440 I kind of have the suspicion that the drill guy might be English just because almost everything 460 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:53,640 in it, every single reference is like American stuff, except for there's a few of them that 461 00:19:53,640 --> 00:20:00,800 use bloody and there's a few use wanker and you're just like, you guys don't really say 462 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:01,800 one. 463 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,800 Not at all. 464 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,200 Can't Canadians do, but I use a wanker because I think it's hilarious and I almost always 465 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,080 get like a look from people of like, what is he saying to me? 466 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,080 Should I be offended? 467 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,800 And I'm like, yeah, I'm just going to move on from right there. 468 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,400 It's just the greatest. 469 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,520 It's just the greatest insult. 470 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,920 It rose off the tongue. 471 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,400 It's like, by the way, he's from New Jersey. 472 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:30,320 The farthest place from both culturally. 473 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,480 Yeah, from New Jersey. 474 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,480 I thought so too. 475 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,360 I remember because I know they know who he is and like who that person is. 476 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:38,880 Oh, he's from New Jersey. 477 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:39,880 He's from New Jersey. 478 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,000 He's been in something awful forms, which I used to like put out 20 years ago. 479 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,000 Oh, really? 480 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Yeah, he was on SA. 481 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Yeah, I remember that. 482 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,640 I remember that name too, because I think it was like something else drill, but it was 483 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,840 like, yeah, I forget what the hell it was. 484 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,840 And he's been with FYAD. 485 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,640 If you guys were on that shit. 486 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,640 Yeah. 487 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:58,640 Huh. 488 00:20:58,640 --> 00:20:59,640 SA used to be awesome. 489 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,800 I loved it like the early 2000s or all that kind of maybe it wasn't that far ago. 490 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,520 Maybe 2005, maybe after that. 491 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,520 That was a lot of fun. 492 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,040 I mean, the internet was better back in the day, wasn't it? 493 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,040 It was. 494 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,040 It was a lot less shitty. 495 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,040 Yeah. 496 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,520 I mean, it was like objectively a lot more effort. 497 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,000 Like everything was more effort. 498 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Yeah. 499 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,400 But it was like, oh, I don't know. 500 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,440 It was very interestingly atomized, just by default, I think. 501 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:33,680 When I think about the number of random people over the years that I've known or met, 502 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,560 via random forums and stuff like that. 503 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,680 But then I guess it's probably the same, I don't know, Zoomers chip in. 504 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,960 I guess it's probably the same these days. 505 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,840 There'll be a vector that's similar, but it would just be different, I don't know, influences, 506 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,440 fees or something like that. 507 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,800 Reddit feels like one of the only places that's very like the Internet of old, but it's still 508 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,280 very centralized, I guess, which is like. 509 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,280 Yeah. 510 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,320 It's very, I mean, I mean, I remember pre-Google when you were basically looking things up 511 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,640 on Yahoo, right? 512 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,280 Because it was basically a listing, right? 513 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,280 It wasn't search. 514 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,880 It was just, it was just you applied to have a site listed on a location. 515 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,520 And then that would, that was a very small list, right? 516 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,880 I mean, it was large at the time, but whatever, say it was 50,000 sites or something. 517 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,880 Did you have OSG's? 518 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,880 That was the thing that came out before Google? 519 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,880 Oh, yeah. 520 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:21,880 Yeah. 521 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:22,880 Yeah. 522 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:28,800 Alta Vista, OSG's, Netscape had their own search, I think, early on, like based in those 523 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,800 days. 524 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,000 You know, Yahoo is like a massive conglomerate in Japan. 525 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Like everyone uses Yahoo. 526 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Like they don't use eBay, they use Yahoo. 527 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000 They don't use Craigslist, they use Yahoo. 528 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000 And a bunch of other things. 529 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,000 It's wild. 530 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,000 It's crazy that they're still around, yeah. 531 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,000 But like, but. 532 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Wild. 533 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Genuinely wild. 534 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,960 But you had like a small list of sites and then there, you basically branch that off to 535 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,280 find other ones. 536 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,480 And then you, then you shared those things, right? 537 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,760 You'd bookmark them and then you, then you would, you'd really, you'd share that with 538 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:57,760 something. 539 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:58,760 Yeah, I found this. 540 00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,760 Yeah. 541 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,200 And then, and then you started getting the. 542 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,200 And then you send all your for agents an email that happened ever virus in it and they were 543 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,760 like, fucking hell, man, you send me this thing and now my computer is worth, my family 544 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,320 computers are worth this piece of crap. 545 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,040 And then you're like, well, you should have used Linux and then, you know, your friends 546 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,360 start to stop, stop talking to you in the playground and then you decide to become a 547 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:21,880 cosmos validated 10 years later. 548 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:22,880 I mean, it's just like. 549 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,360 So you call somebody an asshole and use some sort of use net group, but then, but your 550 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:29,320 names on it and you didn't realize that they track you down and come to your door. 551 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:30,520 That'd be one thing, right? 552 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:35,360 Cause like it wasn't no ennemy, ennemy, ennemy back then, or like you, then you do like a 553 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:36,560 finger command on the UNIX. 554 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,360 Like you try to figure out who that person is. 555 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:39,360 Remember that? 556 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,640 Remember like, you should be able to do a finger, like where it was like a finger command where 557 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,840 you could finger at a specific address, like a, like a, basically a name at a server that 558 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,400 would bring back like what your full name is and all that kind of stuff. 559 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,560 Cause they didn't really lock those ports down back in the old finger days. 560 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,560 And yeah, yeah. 561 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,840 Yeah, like, look, they used to be crazy because back in college, I'm where you could like, 562 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,960 if you had an email from anybody, you could just like do fingers and see like, it would 563 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,200 show like what their office is and like their office hours. 564 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,080 Like you basically use it as like a Rolodex, right? 565 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,080 And pull that data back. 566 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,080 Totally. 567 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,080 Yeah. 568 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,080 Yeah. 569 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,080 That was crazy. 570 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,080 Yeah. 571 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,080 Yeah. 572 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,080 That was a thing different in the UK. 573 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:20,480 So let's just, let's what else was early days? 574 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,480 Yeah. 575 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,480 Those are good. 576 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,680 Yeah, that's what I was like, that when Google showed up like that, and then, then you like, 577 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,440 I don't know, just the, I remember like early days of like all these like MSN or maybe it 578 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,000 was MSN, who like some of your MSN and Yahoo, maybe some of the original big properties 579 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,920 that just had like started pulling together like weather and sports and news and shit under 580 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,480 one domain, which was never like that before. 581 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,480 Right. 582 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,120 It was always like, oh, this is my local news site or this is something else. 583 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:48,080 And like it was very compartmentalized and they start getting bigger and bigger and all 584 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,400 that kind of shit. 585 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,200 And yeah, it started, it started to get less fun. 586 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,200 That's for sure. 587 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,200 And now we have Twitter. 588 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,680 And now we have X. 589 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,960 But not for much longer at current, at current rate of play. 590 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,480 So I don't know. 591 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,920 It's a losing. 592 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,080 Imagine my surprise. 593 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:11,200 It turns out it's still losing money because the leadership at the top is garbage. 594 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:18,440 So in the absence of our glorious intern, shall we do a bit of a bit of news corner without 595 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,000 null null is gone walk about. 596 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,200 He's gone to belong to null. 597 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,520 And he's he's he's like the point. 598 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,520 Right. 599 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,080 So he went to Cosmoverse last year and he pissed off the cartel and Medine and we all 600 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:40,920 know what happens from Australian person that pisses off an American drug dealer or drug 601 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:41,920 cartel. 602 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,600 Eventually they're in the bush, engaging in shenanigans, trying to lead them on walk 603 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:53,040 about so they can via series of convoluted but non-lethal means disarm all the henchmen 604 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,720 and eventually bring them to the justice of the Australian police system because they 605 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,680 you know, doing that in America, it's difficult. 606 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,240 There's regulations and laws and stuff. 607 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,960 So instead, you know, it's just crocodile hats on out into the bush. 608 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,960 That's how it works. 609 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,960 Right. 610 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,480 I think machete is also required. 611 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,080 But I could be machete required. 612 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,280 Maybe crocodile skin vests. 613 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,280 Yeah. 614 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,280 Yeah. 615 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,040 It kind of like it sort of makes sense, right, to break the break the meme for a second, 616 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,880 break the fourth wall and go. 617 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,600 It's interesting, of course, that film is an American film, right? 618 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,360 Is no it's not. 619 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:27,360 Is it really? 620 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,560 You're yeah, like crocodile done. 621 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:36,080 Yeah, you guys, you guys love that meme, that Australian meme as much if not more than the 622 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,080 American. 623 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,080 That's a true story. 624 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,080 That was a documentary. 625 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,520 Steve Irwin is bigger than America's in Australia. 626 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,520 Rest in peace. 627 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,520 Yeah. 628 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:50,000 Noel had to break that gently to me whenever he was staying over here that to Australians, 629 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,960 he wasn't anything and then for like Americans, it was. 630 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:53,960 We talked about late night. 631 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,960 What's wrong with you people? 632 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,040 I was like, what? 633 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,640 You can't say that. 634 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,360 I follow his son on Instagram. 635 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,360 What do you mean? 636 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:07,760 I think he made fun of us for that and Mr. Rogers and one there was one other personality 637 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,920 forget what it was, but it was like Steve Irwin and Mr. Rogers like, yeah. 638 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,720 And she'll say never like, fuck you, man. 639 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:20,360 Like, Mr. Rogers is the weird, like I thought that that was a joke and then like I realized 640 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:21,360 it was a real thing. 641 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:22,760 I will cut you. 642 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,520 You do a little bit of looking around and you're just like, don't you bad talk, Fred? 643 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600 You're like, this guy can't be real. 644 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,600 He was real. 645 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,600 God damn it. 646 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,080 Well, so the thing is we had people like that in the UK, right? 647 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,920 And then we had this thing called Operation U-Tree, which was a wide-ranging investigation 648 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,920 into historical wrongdoing. 649 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,520 And now we don't have any beloved children. 650 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,120 Everybody's gone. 651 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:51,680 There are none left. 652 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,600 It turned out that it was all too good to be true. 653 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,600 Yeah. 654 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,000 That's like, that's like Peewee Herman. 655 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,480 Like you get one blowjob and then your whole life's work is down the train. 656 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,480 Ridiculous. 657 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,080 Peewee didn't wait, compared to like other things. 658 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,080 I mean, Peewee didn't do nothing. 659 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,120 Then he got shit on that for a long time. 660 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:11,760 It's like all it was. 661 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,760 Yeah. 662 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,480 Well, I thought it was a, I thought it was a, I could be wrong. 663 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,360 I thought it was like a, um, a call girl in a public movie theater or something like 664 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:21,920 that, something like that. 665 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:22,920 I forget. 666 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:23,920 And what about Hugh Grant? 667 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,920 Same thing. 668 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,920 Yeah. 669 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,920 Pulled up. 670 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,920 Yeah. 671 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,440 He's like Teflon down though. 672 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,720 Like it just, it just rolled off. 673 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,720 He's like, yeah. 674 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,720 It's got it sucked. 675 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,240 Everybody would have had it done. 676 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,080 No, but Fred, no stories came out about Fred. 677 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,080 Yeah. 678 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,920 Keep your, keep your, what, what is that group called that goes back and shits on everybody's 679 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,920 history? 680 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,920 Storyans? 681 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,920 No. 682 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:52,920 Investigative journalists? 683 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,920 The one that you just mentioned. 684 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:55,920 Police detectives? 685 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:56,920 Yeah. 686 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,440 I, I, I honestly don't know where we're going with this. 687 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,720 But, oh my God. 688 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,920 Anyway, back to Steve Irwin. 689 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,720 Oh, there we go. 690 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,720 Let's get Steve Irwin. 691 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,240 Finally, somebody can do the news. 692 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,240 Finally. 693 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,360 Well, I'm a, hello. 694 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,360 I made it. 695 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,520 I've got, I'm on makeshift here. 696 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,640 Pulled out the old portable computer. 697 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,640 Those are called like mobile tops, right? 698 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,640 Is that what those are called? 699 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,640 Yeah. 700 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,640 I don't know. 701 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,640 It's this new fend angle technology we just got here in Australia. 702 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,400 Usually it's like this bulb. 703 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,960 Burst looking device with the corded keyboard and mouse, but this one, like you can move 704 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,960 it around and stuff like, whoa. 705 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:39,960 Yeah. 706 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,960 Look at that. 707 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,960 That latest technology. 708 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,960 Yeah. 709 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Yeah. 710 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,960 It's pretty cool. 711 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,960 You're looking well. 712 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,960 Congrats. 713 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,960 You're looking good. 714 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,280 The bear market, bear market plus children seem to be doing well for you. 715 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,000 The lightings, I don't, I had the room light on and then it was flickering. 716 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,880 I guess that, you know, it's new fend angle technology. 717 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,400 Can't keep up with my 60 Hertz. 718 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,280 Light bulb or something like that. 719 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,560 Just wait till the capacitors get to Australia. 720 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,560 Things have changed. 721 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,560 It's going to be amazing. 722 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,560 Yeah. 723 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,040 Is that, is that the bucket used to take water from the well behind, hanging behind 724 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,040 you? 725 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,040 Is that what you guys use? 726 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,040 Yeah. 727 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:22,240 I think the wife decided that it would be really nice to put a plant in the office. 728 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,880 That was the plant. 729 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,880 It did not survive. 730 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,880 I don't know why it's providing. 731 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:30,880 It's not bad. 732 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,520 In our shared office, somebody had the same idea where they were like, man, this place 733 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,400 is, it's bleak. 734 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,120 We keep saying we're going to repaint the walls, but not because it's a shared office 735 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,640 and all of us work for different companies. 736 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,720 You know, we never seem to get around to it. 737 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,240 So I'm going to take the initiative. 738 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,480 I'm going to buy some pots, you know, some hanging fancy pots because we have like these 739 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,480 big steel I beams. 740 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,000 We're in like a loft. 741 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,400 We'll put the pots, we'll hang them down. 742 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,400 It's going to be great. 743 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,760 It's going to be like hanging garden vibe and predictably, right? 744 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,760 What happens? 745 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,760 They get like four. 746 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,760 All dead. 747 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,400 The plants die quickly. 748 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,760 And then the taller people in the office start hitting their heads on the pots and then the 749 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:16,440 pots start falling until there was just one mesh, you know, like the rope bag that the 750 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,960 pot came in with no pot in it hanging down from the middle, but middle beam in the room. 751 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,960 That was all that was left. 752 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:29,320 It's one sad, empty scrotum of a pot holder. 753 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,840 And it was quite a good metaphor for like the tragedy of the commons if you're into 754 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,840 economics. 755 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,840 It was like one person putting all the effort, the rest of us did nothing. 756 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,280 And now we can't have nice things. 757 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,000 Though what we should, I mean, the actual solution probably was just like taxation. 758 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,040 Somebody should have said, hey, can everybody just chip in a hundred? 759 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,040 We're all too lazy. 760 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,040 We're all too busy. 761 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,880 Can everybody just chip in a hundred quid? 762 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,800 We're just getting a painter and paint the fucking place. 763 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,800 That's what we should do. 764 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,800 Okay. 765 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,360 Here's what I'll say to that. 766 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:06,440 The biggest, one of the biggest life changing things I've had was paying someone to mow my 767 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,440 lawn. 768 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,800 They come out twice a month, $70 a month. 769 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,880 And it's like life changing. 770 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,200 No longer have any of that stress. 771 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,040 It looks better than is if I'm going to do it. 772 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,880 That's an American and Australian problem. 773 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,880 Let me tell you. 774 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,400 My line is like eight inches because it just stresses the shit out of me too. 775 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,400 Yeah. 776 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,400 Well, yeah, exactly. 777 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:31,680 I don't think my garden is three, four foot by six foot or something like that. 778 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,240 The lawn is about that big. 779 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,240 Yeah. 780 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,240 Yeah. 781 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,240 I have a manual mower. 782 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,200 Just like this is the thing that's the actual. 783 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,200 Wow. 784 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,560 You haven't got new, you know, motors either. 785 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,760 Interesting. 786 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,240 We had them and then we did it. 787 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,120 And now there's a shortage of motors. 788 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,520 So we've just gone back to, you know, it was good enough for your granddad. 789 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,000 In fact, this was your granddad's. 790 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,280 There's no new motors. 791 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,720 So we're just going to have to resharpen the old ones. 792 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,200 That's split spirit. 793 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,840 I think this is like a fundamental issue with the modern mail. 794 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,440 It's like, I'm just going to get someone else to come in and cut my grass. 795 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,520 I can't handle this. 796 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,760 I can't do it. 797 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,400 It's, you know, have pride in your property and your lawn. 798 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,400 All right. 799 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,480 If you can't trim your lawn, then how are you going to hold a wife? 800 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,480 All right. 801 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,440 So the man with the empty hanging flower pod behind them, at least at least take the 802 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,640 dead plant out of here, man. 803 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,920 This is like the most Australian thing. 804 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,000 This thing can't do shit about my grass outside. 805 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,000 Fucking awesome. 806 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,360 Like, it's very Australian to come on. 807 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:41,280 The problem is that you Americans are getting cocked by your lawn. 808 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,280 Mike drop. 809 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,280 Yep. 810 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,280 Exactly. 811 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,280 All right. 812 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,280 Do some news. 813 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,080 We're excited for a real, like a real news. 814 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,080 Real news. 815 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,080 Okay. 816 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,080 Game face shit. 817 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,080 Brushes on. 818 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,480 So is all your keeping up? 819 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,640 Is it always negative? 820 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,640 We mean no. 821 00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,640 Is there positive here? 822 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:00,640 Okay. 823 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,640 All right. 824 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,640 Yeah. 825 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,640 No, no. 826 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,120 First off the rank, the big news, the big shelling point of Cosmos now, no more when 827 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,120 USDC. 828 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,120 It's here. 829 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,120 I don't know. 830 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,120 No one knows how to get it. 831 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,120 I think businesses have to get it first. 832 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,120 You have to buy it. 833 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,120 Right. 834 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,800 Yeah, this is the problem with circle, right? 835 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,760 Is that circle at the gateway is garbage because if you're in the UK, you can't fucking use 836 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,760 it with a business account. 837 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,760 You can't use. 838 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,760 News spray. 839 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,760 All right. 840 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,480 So USDC is here. 841 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,480 Okay. 842 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,480 It's here. 843 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,480 I feel blessed. 844 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,360 I feel absolutely generally in the area. 845 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,360 It's near. 846 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,360 It's near. 847 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,360 It's here adjacent. 848 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,360 Exactly. 849 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:52,400 If you are able to and you are a business, you can buy it and then put it in your D app. 850 00:34:52,400 --> 00:35:00,160 That's what I got from the circle website, but it's here and it's native and you're going 851 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,680 to be able to IBC it when someone buys it. 852 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,280 And then adding to that, this part I think is really cool. 853 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,280 It's here. 854 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,440 That's kind of nice. 855 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,440 What they're looking to do though is like bridging between, oh, I'm about to run out 856 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,440 of battery. 857 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,200 So I'm in all sorts of chambers. 858 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,200 Fucking hurry up. 859 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:28,200 They're going to be using a squid router circles transfer protocol and IBC to enable one to 860 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,320 one, ETH to DYDX swaps in one click. 861 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:39,760 So ETH USDC to DYDX USDC, one click, one transaction. 862 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,760 Like okay, it's cool. 863 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,760 Yeah. 864 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,600 Kind of similar to where USDC works on a sex across multiple different Ethereum based 865 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,600 chains, right? 866 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,600 Same type of thing. 867 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,600 Like it's just USDC. 868 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,600 Yeah. 869 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,040 And you only pay like 40 cents per dollar to do it. 870 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,040 Object. 871 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,040 Object to the tax. 872 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,040 Good. 873 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,040 Do you feel it? 874 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,040 No. 875 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,040 Wow. 876 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,040 Sorry. 877 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,560 Oh, do we just wandering through the house? 878 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,520 You can get the live view of wandering through the house to get the power cord. 879 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,040 This is the live news, breaking news right here. 880 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,560 The news reporter is about to run out of battery. 881 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,560 That is the most Australian hat I've ever seen in my life. 882 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,560 That's what I was just about to say. 883 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,960 Where's your sneak vest, man? 884 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,960 Do you get that? 885 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,960 It's the Australian hat. 886 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,360 Do you get that like at birth? 887 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,560 Did they give you that? 888 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,760 Like is that given away? 889 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,000 That one was birthday present. 890 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,000 So you don't have to have a subscription for it. 891 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,920 When he was born, it was literally put on the baby. 892 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,320 They're like, it's big for you now, Nipper, but you grow into it. 893 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,320 Here's your birth certificate. 894 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,320 Here's your hat. 895 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,320 Never get this to me, though. 896 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,000 That would never give you a walkthrough from through his house, ever. 897 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,840 Well, that's because the news reporter, he walked through that door at the end of the 898 00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,840 room. 899 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,840 It would be up a flight of stairs into his parents' house. 900 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,720 So they'd probably tell him off, right? 901 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:07,040 Mom. 902 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,920 We can make fun of him all you want, because he never goes back to the show. 903 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,920 So it doesn't matter. 904 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:13,920 You can say whatever you want. 905 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,920 I'll never hear any of this. 906 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,520 So it doesn't make a difference. 907 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:22,240 I once, once Noel called me to ask me about something and I heard somebody shouting at 908 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,240 him in the background. 909 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:24,240 I was like, what's all that? 910 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,360 And he was just like, oh, I'm going out of the house to get a coffee. 911 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,000 And that's my, that's my mom shouting at me to get a coffee. 912 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:38,240 It's like, actually, context is not important here because it's just obviously more of my 913 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,440 evidence that he lives in the basement. 914 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,160 That's the important thing. 915 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,320 Of a customer's bill. 916 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,320 Yeah. 917 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,160 Why do you have corks on hand? 918 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:55,560 So USDC here, but we need some big, big regulated US based company to go buy a bunch of it, 919 00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,680 exchange it for shitcoins on Osmosis so that the rest of us can buy it permissionlessly 920 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,760 and then we can have, then we can finally have the thing we're after. 921 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,840 We can always lose money together. 922 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:07,840 Yeah. 923 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,440 So the way I see it is right. 924 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:18,520 Osmosis Foundation's got like 1.5 million USDC on Mars supplying USDC. 925 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,600 They can just one to one swap it, you know, get some, sell it, get some circle. 926 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:29,200 And now, you know, we can fight amongst ourselves for the 1.5 million USDC on Osmosis. 927 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:37,000 But it looks like there has been $1.8 million in USDC minted, but a grand total of $4, 928 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,320 IBC it out. 929 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,680 So that's nice. 930 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,440 I'm not sure if you, I don't think IBC is enabled just yet. 931 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,920 You can buy it. 932 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,000 Get inflated, but now, hey, it's stop, stop yucking my yum, you know, bringing the mood 933 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,000 down. 934 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,000 I'm not bringing the mood down. 935 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,640 I'm just saying it's funny that only $4 have been IBCed out. 936 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,720 I bet it has been IBCed out because they would have needed to get the Denon from Osmosis 937 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:02,720 somehow. 938 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,120 I suppose they probably could have built it manually, but it probably would have been 939 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,320 easier to be like, I'll just shoot over. 940 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,320 Right. 941 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,320 Here it is. 942 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,320 Yeah. 943 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,320 I know Kooji and stuff do this. 944 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:17,600 I don't know how they do it, but they like pre, they pre seed it or something and be like, 945 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,480 hey, look, we're ready for native USDC. 946 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,240 All the wallets apparently too already. 947 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,920 So I don't know how you do that when you don't have the Denon. 948 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,560 Well, you can build the Denon because it's a function of like the originating Denon and 949 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,600 like the chain ID and something else. 950 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,600 It's pretty easy to build. 951 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,600 Like I did on and yeah, yeah, I guess they just build it and then put it in their day 952 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,600 up. 953 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,600 There you go. 954 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:42,040 Anyway, you know, I just like to quickly, you know, I think people that are very important 955 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,520 to this around USDC, we've got to thank them all, all of their hard work, all of their 956 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,320 building incredible feet. 957 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,960 Can't wait for all of that liquidity to flow in. 958 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,520 It's going to happen. 959 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,720 So, you know, you can build a DYDX, going to be a catalyst, you see. 960 00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:59,800 Next news agenda, Metamask snaps open beta. 961 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,800 It is here. 962 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,960 Got a little bit of front run by Leap a couple of times and shade on their own announcement, 963 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,000 but officially Metamask snaps betas here. 964 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,920 Multiple chains and wallets have already announced it. 965 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,320 As I said, Leap, shade, but now Cosmos has got it. 966 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,680 So I believe over the next few days, we'll start to see, you know, more apps like Osmosis, 967 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,680 et cetera. 968 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,640 I think Cosmos kit, we look to adopt it and get it. 969 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,520 At the moment, there's only like a handful of chains or Dapps using it. 970 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,240 Stargaze used it the other day to buy an NFT. 971 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:33,240 Yeah, it's kind of cool. 972 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:34,240 Or he did it. 973 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:35,240 Yeah, saw that. 974 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:36,240 It's cool. 975 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:37,240 Yeah. 976 00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:39,440 And it doesn't support ledger though, right? 977 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,440 Not to, wait, hold on. 978 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,520 Are we still in the positive section of the podcast? 979 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,520 Yeah. 980 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,520 Okay. 981 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,720 That's true, yeah, it does. 982 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:48,920 So there are a couple of limitations. 983 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,520 So within the native wallet itself, you can't do like send transactions. 984 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,760 So you can, you have your, yeah. 985 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,800 So you need the Dapp to have a send function. 986 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,080 The wallet doesn't send function. 987 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,080 So there are a couple of limitations. 988 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,080 And I think, you know, there wasn't officially announced, but if you check like Sam Hart, 989 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,280 who is kind of leading it from a biz depth side, he said that the first iteration is 990 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,280 going to be quite limited. 991 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,840 And to be clear, this is the, it's a snap beta that got released, right? 992 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,000 So it's not like it's a cosmos. 993 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,760 So there's a ton of add-ins or snaps that got released on the same day because MetaMask 994 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:20,760 released it, right? 995 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,920 So it's new for everybody. 996 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,600 It's new for every, for every ecosystem. 997 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,120 So yeah, that makes sense. 998 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,480 So it's going to take time to mature and all that kind of good stuff. 999 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,480 Exactly. 1000 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,040 And I think the big kind of news story here for me is like, you know, we're going to 1001 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,000 have MetaMask, it's going to, you know, 35 million users. 1002 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,920 I think, you know, not to be too negative, but you need to have some form of like go-to-market 1003 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,200 strategy to attract new users. 1004 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,400 They're not just going to come because cosmos. 1005 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,120 And I haven't seen anyone have a plan for its release. 1006 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,800 I think that's kind of the biggest disappointment in a sense for me. 1007 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,560 It's like, hey, it's here. 1008 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,680 We've got some functionality. 1009 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,760 Let's have a plan where we can onboard some users. 1010 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,680 Who are they going to be? 1011 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,680 How are we going to do that? 1012 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,840 Why do I agree? 1013 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,920 I do think that the MetaMask integration itself is a huge deal. 1014 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,160 Whenever I have to like go to Solana and download Phantom, I'm always like, you know what? 1015 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,120 I don't know if I'm really that interested in this network. 1016 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,920 So I don't know. 1017 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,440 I absolutely see the criticism for sure that like there needs to be more holistic approach 1018 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,080 to like completing the picture for people that want to come over. 1019 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,560 But even just getting this step, I think is pretty incredible. 1020 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:26,560 Oh, definitely. 1021 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,560 Right. 1022 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,160 And it's going to remove a massive blocker, which is if people don't like to touch other 1023 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,040 wallets and they're not going to create a new wallet. 1024 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,960 So it's a good news there. 1025 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,400 I think it was because if users are basically Windows users in like 1998 and they just want 1026 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,840 to use IE. 1027 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,760 You know, I would accept that criticism, except how many wallets now have had exploits 1028 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,240 where people lost their mnemonic because they started using the other wallet. 1029 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,160 I don't know. 1030 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,160 It's just unfortunate. 1031 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,160 Yeah. 1032 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,160 I mean, fair. 1033 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,720 Like MetaMOS, it doesn't feel like the safest either. 1034 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:05,600 Like I don't, I don't trust it anymore than. 1035 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,600 I agree. 1036 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,680 And the interface of it, I think kind of sucks. 1037 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:09,680 Yeah. 1038 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,480 It's basically the same as it was when it launched. 1039 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,400 I mean, there's a few small differences, but it's not, it's not super fun to use. 1040 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:23,960 It's similar to Kepler 1, which was, it was clunky, but once you learned how it thought, 1041 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:24,960 it was very straightforward. 1042 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,280 Like, oh, I know exactly what's going on here. 1043 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,240 And then I think Kepler 2 lost that a little bit because there's, you have to like kind 1044 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:34,720 of relearn how they're thinking about the chain structure and, and, you know, like 1045 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:39,760 the idea of being able to, to allow specific coins on each individual wallet that you have 1046 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,120 and all that kind of shit, which is kind of pain in the ass. 1047 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,040 I think that, sorry, go ahead. 1048 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,040 No, it's it. 1049 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,520 No, it's going to say so, so I think that'll happen here as well. 1050 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,680 Because I mean, I, I've talked with it a little bit. 1051 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,960 I didn't do any transactions, which I was supposed to do with the ledger, but I was 1052 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,640 able to at least log into some sites and see some stuff. 1053 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,160 And I think you had a note here also, Remer, about like the, the scary kind of warnings 1054 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,160 that come up with that. 1055 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,480 And there was, there was a shitload too was like, Hey, this, like the wording, the wording 1056 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,800 was not great. 1057 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,760 Like the wording was like, I should have taken a screenshot of it, but, but maybe we can 1058 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,920 take control of your cosmos assets. 1059 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:14,920 I think it's exactly what it was. 1060 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:20,040 Like this, you are going to get allows that allows you to take control of like Adam and 1061 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,400 allows you to take control of this. 1062 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,200 And there was a list of like 75 of them, right? 1063 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,920 And the launch chains in that, in that first integration were not, not what I thought actually 1064 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,800 it was, I think it was cosmos and osmosis and a couple other ones, but there was a couple 1065 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:38,360 like, like meta block was in there and a bunch of like old school stuff in there as well. 1066 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,080 But some other newer ones like stride was in there. 1067 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,480 We wasn't in there by all the shit chains. 1068 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,720 You said, yeah, I mean, I mean, use your own definitions, but, but yeah, like the wording 1069 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:48,720 was a little bit weird. 1070 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,960 It was like, we'll take control of your Adam and all that kind of stuff. 1071 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,200 But, but I mean, at least it logged in and, and I also don't, you can't see your, you 1072 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,080 can't see those tokens within the wallet right yet. 1073 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:02,400 I don't think so it's still, it still takes a, there's, it's, it's got a ways to go, 1074 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,400 right? 1075 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,400 But it's very out focused, right? 1076 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,880 So it's not very wallet focused. 1077 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:07,880 It's very DAP focused. 1078 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:15,280 So if the, if the DAP doesn't provide the functionality of, you know, mint NFT, send TX, etc. 1079 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,920 You're likely not going to see it within the metamask wallet. 1080 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:18,920 Yeah. 1081 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,920 Essentially, all it's doing is signing the transaction. 1082 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,920 Yeah. 1083 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:22,920 It's, it's, you're right. 1084 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,480 It's a, it's a signing interface is really what it is, right? 1085 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,720 So which I guess also non ledger. 1086 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,720 So it kind of limits it as well, but hopefully those things will be. 1087 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:34,080 I think that Pontum is a great iteration on metamask. 1088 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,560 Like it was Pontum is a, as a wallet on the Apto's ecosystem and they kind of start their 1089 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,640 interface with the metamask interface and they kind of iterate on it just a little bit. 1090 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,720 And in my opinion, their interface is really like the final form. 1091 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,400 Like if you want to do metamax, right? 1092 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,120 You do Pontum. 1093 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,120 Yeah, it is. 1094 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,120 Yeah. 1095 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,120 Yeah. 1096 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,120 I agree. 1097 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,760 Even, even with, I mean, they also don't deal with the multi chain thing as much, right? 1098 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,760 They deal with multi wallet, but like the whole thing, like it's a tough UI experience when 1099 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,560 you're talking about multiple different chains and you have the same wallet, which might have 1100 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,360 the same key structure, but slightly different across those. 1101 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,920 And like it's not, it's not the easiest UI challenge to solve, but, and especially in 1102 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,880 Cosmos, like, I don't know how they're going to do that, but if, if, like they granted 1103 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,720 access to whatever this 20 chains are, if all those things show up as tokens in the 1104 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,840 metamask wallet, people are going to hate that shit, right? 1105 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,920 Like they don't want to see that because right now it's really permission to be able 1106 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,440 to add a token within there. 1107 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,120 And I think you have to have a, you know, you don't have to have balance, but at least 1108 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,960 you have to have a, like you have to have something to be able to initiate that structure 1109 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,960 where that gets shown or to, or to go out and search and see if you have a balance on 1110 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,280 it on a different ERC 20. 1111 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,040 And so maybe that would have to be the same because you wouldn't want to see this big 1112 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,720 long list of, which I think metamask or Kepler does right now, right? 1113 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,000 So I think the reason they hide some of those types of things is they don't want to show 1114 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,160 75 or 100 different chains with zero balances on them. 1115 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,960 Anyway, yeah, but anyway, it's good stuff, right? 1116 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,400 I think it's a, it's a starting point and we'll see what comes next. 1117 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,400 Yeah. 1118 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,400 I think it's cool. 1119 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,800 It was, it was always fun, like jumping in and being like, Hey, like I'm using metamask 1120 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,280 to buy an NFT and, you know, play around with it. 1121 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,280 That was, that was cool. 1122 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,960 So hopefully we, we get some adoption from it and let's see version two. 1123 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,400 So if you think that who owns the go to market there, like, is that, is that a, I mean, there's 1124 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,800 a, a Dow did some sponsoring of this to be able to help build some of these. 1125 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:29,480 Leap has their own, the Stargaze, is it, is it like say an NFT, it's Stargaze obviously 1126 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:36,400 has a, now they have a, not the most beautiful, but a in road to a tremendous more of amount 1127 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,520 of users. 1128 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,440 So each chain has their own GDM go to market around each of each of that, right? 1129 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:46,800 Or is there, do you think there's a centralized entity that does a larger go to market around 1130 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,840 being able to show metamask users that this world has opened? 1131 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,000 I think it should be both. 1132 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,200 I think something like either a Dow or, you know, even ICF should be leading a broader 1133 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,040 go to market strategy for cosmos. 1134 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:04,000 You know, you can, you know, now using your metamask, well, you can connect to cosmos. 1135 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,080 You know, his, how to do it, his various apps that are supported, et cetera. 1136 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,680 I think that should be what they're doing from a holistic approach. 1137 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,840 But then individually, I think whoever's trying to capture some of that liquidity that's coming 1138 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,520 across should have their own go to market strategies, right? 1139 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:24,320 So, you know, neutron, osmosis, Stargaze as, as examples or shade as examples, they should 1140 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,600 be having a plan to onboard users. 1141 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,360 And I suggest that this to the Stargaze team is bring back the original Starz air drop, 1142 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:37,480 modify it for metamask users and wallets and specifically target your audience, right? 1143 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:38,480 Who is your audience? 1144 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,880 It's going to be NFT whales, right? 1145 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,640 You don't want to airdrop to the plebs. 1146 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,520 That's very obvious that it's going to farm your stars and leave. 1147 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:51,400 So some things that you could do as examples would be the original airdrop was like task 1148 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,400 and claim base. 1149 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,480 So first thing is like bridge $500 from ETH to Starz, right? 1150 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:03,840 If you do that, you're eligible to collect some stars, mint an open edition, mint for 1151 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:11,200 free, you can claim some stars LP, some stars, USDC, you know, pool, you can claim some stars 1152 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,760 like locking it up so that you're incentivizing them and bringing them across and getting 1153 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:21,200 them involved in both the token and the platform and things like, you know, listing an NFT 1154 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:26,200 or buying an NFT, you can then claim some stars, whether it's vested or not, whatever. 1155 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,600 There's obviously a risk there, but at least you're attempting to bring across liquidity 1156 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,640 over the bridges and getting those NFT whales involved. 1157 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:41,280 And, you know, he's had to buy a bad kid, come and do it and claim some stars as an example. 1158 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,680 You don't want to shield bad kids all the time. 1159 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:44,680 I think it's played out. 1160 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:45,680 Yeah, agreed. 1161 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:46,680 They're the only blue chip. 1162 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,000 They're the only real blue chip in our hearts. 1163 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,000 But the tooling is there. 1164 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,080 That idea, it's basically like a Stargaze welcome pack, right? 1165 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,840 Like you build some structure around some specific activities that you want to be able 1166 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,840 to have and those types of things, which I think makes sense. 1167 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:07,560 Like then I guess the benefit is, I mean, I'm just so disappointed with the Stargaze 1168 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:12,760 price because under a cent, I think it's anything that's under, I think a cent in the 1169 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:18,280 USD is still, I think people look down on that as a project, even though I think that 1170 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,200 is one of the best projects in the ecosystem. 1171 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,880 Like, I think it's one of the best projects in crypto. 1172 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:29,600 And I think that really undermines the value and the quality of the tooling, the quality 1173 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,240 of some of the projects on there and everything else that's coming behind that. 1174 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:37,640 That's the only part that really disappoints me, but I guess that's a mix of things that 1175 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,640 create that. 1176 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,640 But I think that makes sense. 1177 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,640 There's some challenges, right? 1178 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:45,800 Like I think the pools, NFT pools are coming out soon. 1179 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,840 I think pairing your NFTs against stars, I think utilizing liquid state stars across 1180 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,360 the marketplace would be a lot better. 1181 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,480 So rather than just using native stars, you can use liquid state stars, you can list and 1182 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,320 buy against liquid state stars. 1183 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,440 And again, I harp on this for days and days and weeks and weeks. 1184 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:09,080 Getting their own pair against USDC will support and strengthen the token rather than being 1185 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,000 only paired against Osmosis. 1186 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,040 It's obviously not the issue, but it's one of the issues that they face. 1187 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:25,880 Does DYDX single-handedly solve that problem or that's like, could you do that as well? 1188 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,840 Does DYDX, you talk about like in terms of like one click across from Ethereum, USDC 1189 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,280 to Cosmos, USDC and like really making that seamless associated. 1190 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,840 Are you relating that idea back to the DYDX thing or just in general? 1191 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:46,360 That's just squid router and I think it's either GMP or CCTP, the axilar, et cetera, 1192 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,400 the bridges are making that one click experience and pack it forward middleware from my understanding. 1193 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,080 So it doesn't, that's just the bridging. 1194 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,160 Pooling against USDC for your sovereign 01 is critical. 1195 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:03,560 Getting away from other tokens that are having downward pressure and then obviously Stargaze 1196 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,680 itself needs to figure out its token. 1197 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,560 Like you're minting everything in stars, you're selling on secondary in stars, people are going 1198 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,640 to take their profits in stars and it's going to put down on pressure on the token. 1199 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:21,000 So you need to solve that problem, either burn more tokens or enable people to list 1200 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,440 in other tokens that don't put pressure on the token. 1201 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,440 Which I think is coming right? 1202 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:31,520 That was also a good thing that USDC has just entered, has just entered player two. 1203 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:32,520 Yeah. 1204 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,520 Yeah. 1205 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,680 I mean, and I think now that Cosmos hubs deployed the liquid staking module, I think we'll probably 1206 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,280 see other chains start to do it soon. 1207 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:45,160 So I think it would make sense for stars to put LSM on there and then all that stake 1208 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:51,080 stars you can now have liquid, you can pair it against your NFTs, still staking, increase 1209 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:56,480 the staking amount on the chain and then use it in Defy and LP, et cetera. 1210 00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,680 So wasn't there already stride liquid staking module exists? 1211 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,680 Like what's different? 1212 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,480 Yeah, instant unbond. 1213 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:09,600 So the liquid staking module takes your state stars or Adam and enables you to instantly 1214 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,960 unbond it into a liquid stake derivative that you can use elsewhere. 1215 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,320 So the only difference between that and ST Adam is what? 1216 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,880 Just the unbonding period to be able to... 1217 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:20,880 Oh, okay. 1218 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:21,880 All right. 1219 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,240 So it bypasses unbonding period to be able to turn that into liquid staking. 1220 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:26,240 Yeah. 1221 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:27,240 Okay. 1222 00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:28,240 Which we're about to get to. 1223 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:29,740 So a nice little segue there. 1224 00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:32,440 The Cosmos hub exit liquidity module is now live. 1225 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:38,200 Private little groups will know why that one's funny. 1226 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,760 I'll read the headline. 1227 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:40,760 Sorry. 1228 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:41,760 Exit. 1229 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,760 Can we just... 1230 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:50,280 I think it's very important to bring up that we've had two headlines in a row, which 1231 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,480 you've not read your own snippy headline. 1232 00:53:53,480 --> 00:54:02,000 Well, let's be honest, you would give Nala a lot of stick if he did not read that verbatim. 1233 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,000 I read it. 1234 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,880 It's Cosmos hub exit liquidity module is live. 1235 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:11,080 Enabling all previous back holders to convert their state data into a receipt token, which 1236 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,160 they can use to obtain ST Adam by a stride. 1237 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,600 A little bit of... 1238 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:16,600 Sorry. 1239 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,520 You could also do it via persistence if you wanted to, but we all know that 90% of it's 1240 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,120 going to be stride. 1241 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,440 Little bit of tech talk here, which is rather interesting. 1242 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:31,320 I was listening into the liquid stake module call with stride and informal. 1243 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:39,320 And when you tokenize your items from your state data into your tokenized Adam, which 1244 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:47,320 is your unbonded Adam, you then move it to stride and get state data. 1245 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,680 You can then use that wherever and however you want. 1246 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:56,800 Stride then has an obligation to stake items back into the validator set. 1247 00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,520 The way that that's currently operating is that there's one interchange account for all 1248 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,280 state Adam, 3.5 million items. 1249 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,800 And there's a limitation within, I believe, the SDK module where you can only do seven 1250 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,040 redelegations per month. 1251 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:21,960 So what they do is they actually hold that on Adam, the unstaked Adams as an NFT until 1252 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,000 they hit their monthly redelegation cycle. 1253 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:35,880 That word for word, please confirm it from the space that I linked in the recording. 1254 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,840 So that seems like a limitation that could be, that could be a governance change, right, 1255 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,400 in terms of changing the... 1256 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,400 I don't think that's a problem. 1257 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,400 Yeah, I don't think it's a problem. 1258 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,280 I think it's a code side limitation. 1259 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:54,440 Yeah, there's a lot of limit there, quite a lot of limitations with interchange accounts 1260 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,720 because they're still quite early days. 1261 00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:02,600 And there's a lot of hereby dragons type stuff in the code. 1262 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,360 Well, that's not a limitation in ICA though. 1263 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,480 That's just a staking limitation. 1264 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,160 You can only undeligate seven times per month or maybe a period per account. 1265 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,320 Yeah, so the interaction between the machine and the staking. 1266 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,800 The challenge is the way that Stride is doing their delegations. 1267 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:19,800 And this isn't... 1268 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,800 Right. 1269 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:21,880 Other Dapps have had this. 1270 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,240 So Cosmos Millions, what are they called? 1271 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:31,400 The Vaults on Osmosis, Quasar had the same issue. 1272 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,400 Oh, Quasar, yeah. 1273 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:39,520 So both of those using interchange accounts faced the same issue after the fact. 1274 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:46,640 So they went live, realized that they hit their redelegation or undeligation cap and 1275 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,680 users accounts funds were just locked. 1276 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:54,520 So the solution that they've come up with is to use multiple accounts and do batching 1277 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,640 to handle it. 1278 00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:02,120 It seems like Stride just wants to have one account and they'll just do their delegation 1279 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:03,760 once a month. 1280 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,400 So there is a... 1281 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,200 What's the expectation of loss with that sitting on the sideline? 1282 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,480 Because, I mean, while it sits in that structure, it's not earning, right? 1283 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,400 So there's a loss in terms of APR. 1284 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,400 So they just do the math to figure out and lower that expectation based off this weird 1285 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,640 NFT monthly staking structure? 1286 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,400 Yeah, I didn't... 1287 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,400 I was listening to it. 1288 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,400 It was like 2 a.m. or something. 1289 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,760 I fell asleep, but I listened to that part and I thought it was noteworthy. 1290 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,640 And yeah, essentially they handled their delegations and redelegations once a month. 1291 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:41,040 The Delta is sitting there waiting in between and probably just suffer a small hit. 1292 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:46,080 What happens if there's a slashing event with the Validate that they're delegated 1293 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,440 to that's going to cause them a pretty big economic problem? 1294 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,960 They do a governance proposal and everybody just forgives it and they move on. 1295 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,960 Of course, yeah, we just rewrite the ledger. 1296 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:55,960 I think that's what we do. 1297 00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:56,960 We just ignore the rules. 1298 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:04,760 But wait, they're a fucking silly balls chain now, aren't they? 1299 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:05,760 ICS. 1300 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:06,760 ICS. 1301 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,480 The rewriting the ledger just got a lot harder, right? 1302 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:16,040 Because you stop your ledger, you stop consensus for that other chain, the one they're... 1303 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,040 And they brought up with it. 1304 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,040 Neutron? 1305 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,040 No. 1306 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,040 Yes. 1307 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,040 Yeah. 1308 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,040 They don't have to fork that, right? 1309 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,040 I thought they just governance, prop that out and figure out a way... 1310 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,040 Oh, maybe... 1311 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,040 I don't know how they do that actually. 1312 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,440 So, if you get slashed on Adam, you just get slashed. 1313 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,240 If you get slashed on a consumer chain, you've got to go through the slashing prop. 1314 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:37,240 That's right. 1315 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,240 But that's the thing. 1316 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,200 If you get slashed on Adam and then you have to do shenanigans on Adam, then you're in 1317 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,200 trouble. 1318 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,200 Yeah. 1319 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,760 So, your point being that if an Adam validator gets slashed, that holds a significant amount 1320 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,840 of these stride bonded tokens. 1321 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:52,840 Copy it to that. 1322 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:57,040 You're forgetting that one of the greatest features of the liquid state module is that 1323 00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,840 we centralize all this state Adam into 32 validators' hands. 1324 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:08,440 So the select 32, the cream of the crop, primo validators that we don't slash, they just 1325 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,760 fundamentally don't get slashed. 1326 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:16,720 All of the other validators who offer liquid staking, their stake and their liquid tokens 1327 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:21,760 for their delegators go to these other 32 to centralize the chain. 1328 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:22,760 So, proper solved. 1329 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:23,760 Perfect. 1330 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,760 I hope it's taken in there. 1331 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,760 Right, those 32 can still be slashed. 1332 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,360 Technically, yes, but they're the best. 1333 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,360 That's why they're getting all the best. 1334 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,240 I mean, I used to give them the best where we're obviously not disagreeing with that. 1335 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,560 I'm sure that there are some names in there that we all think are the most professional 1336 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,680 outfits to ever grace this earth. 1337 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:48,360 But let's imagine here a narrative where one of those guys gets slashed, then that's going 1338 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,560 to cause all hell of problems when you're looking at downstream economic effects. 1339 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:58,680 It's like an actual economy, but an economy only built on derivatives. 1340 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,800 I mean, I can't think of a time this has ever gone wrong in human history, so it's probably 1341 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:03,800 going to be fine. 1342 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:04,800 It should be fine. 1343 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:05,800 It should be fine. 1344 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:11,600 But hey, it's all right because we've got fear in the ecosystem now, finally. 1345 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,320 So, we can build some derivatives on top of that, which would be cool. 1346 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:22,160 We've got all this additional economic stimulus through the ecosystem now that we'll be able 1347 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,440 to recover from it really easy because all that previously staked out and that was securing 1348 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:32,440 the hub is now liquid and we can use it and generate some inflation elsewhere. 1349 01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:33,440 Lots of inflation. 1350 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,440 Yeah. 1351 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:39,320 I mean, it's all really, really good news before America goes into an election cycle 1352 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,720 that could cause them to fall into a civil war. 1353 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,280 So, I for one am looking forward. 1354 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,880 I don't know what you're talking about. 1355 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:53,120 I mean, America's like, I'm not stockpiling baby in style. 1356 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,120 That would be bad. 1357 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,120 It should be fine. 1358 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,120 It should be fine. 1359 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:57,120 Yeah. 1360 01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,800 I'm not putting a bunker in the backyard. 1361 01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,800 It's fine. 1362 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:07,400 I'm just buying up a supply of NATO flags to sellers like Souvenirs when day one, you 1363 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,920 know, Levin had withdraws from NATO and it becomes a footnote in history books. 1364 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,040 I'll be like, I'll be that guy in eBay. 1365 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:23,800 Get underscore your underscore NATO underscore flags underscore 1985 selling NATO flags historic 1366 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,760 replica historic memorabilia, 100 euro piece niche market. 1367 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:29,760 He's cornered it. 1368 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:30,760 He bought them all. 1369 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,200 He bought them all before the guy even got elected. 1370 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:36,600 He knew it was coming inside of trading to know what other flags, what other flags would 1371 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,600 be consigned to the history books. 1372 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,960 The Ukrainian one probably because he'll just sell out, sell them out to the Russians. 1373 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,960 So buy up your Ukrainian flags too. 1374 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:46,960 That's a dark one. 1375 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:47,960 Sorry about that. 1376 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,400 Ukrainian listeners, Slava Ukraine. 1377 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,400 We have one. 1378 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:52,400 Yeah. 1379 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,600 Maybe, maybe two had had one. 1380 01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:56,600 Yeah. 1381 01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:03,760 Hey, look, if it was my call, you know, we'd be spending, we'd, Raytheon would be spending 1382 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,240 a lot more time producing javelin missiles for Ukraine. 1383 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,240 That's that's what I'm saying. 1384 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,240 Anyway, back to you. 1385 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:20,480 That's a great segue into our next news topic, which is all about friends. 1386 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:26,080 So there's two things that I wanted to talk to Stargaze looks like they're shipping lots 1387 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,640 of features related to community. 1388 01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:35,800 One of the devs released a new on-chain community chat. 1389 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,040 So it's tied to your, you know, Star's wallet. 1390 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,720 IBC.chat is where it is. 1391 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,880 And you can go in there, you can DM other wallets, you can create groups and you can 1392 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,520 chat without transactions. 1393 01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,120 But it's, you know, your ID is your star name. 1394 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,120 Do you know who did that? 1395 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,120 That's kind of cool. 1396 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:54,120 Yeah. 1397 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,120 The tweet is in the spreadsheet. 1398 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,280 I don't know the gentleman's name. 1399 01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,400 I haven't heard of him too much before, but they ship that which is cool. 1400 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,320 Fabian Penzo is the Twitter account. 1401 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,320 So was it? 1402 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:05,320 Oh, is it Fabian? 1403 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,800 So it leads me to conclude it may well be Fabian Penzo. 1404 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:10,800 It is Fabian Penzo. 1405 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:11,800 Okay. 1406 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:12,800 Yeah. 1407 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,680 We work with him because he does a lot of the stuff behind the scenes of Stargaze and 1408 01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,000 I think he's part of Stargaze team now. 1409 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,640 Or is he part of Stargaze team now? 1410 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,680 Maybe it may be Tenshenshul. 1411 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:21,680 I don't know. 1412 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,600 I know he handles a lot of the stuff related to consolation and some of the market behind 1413 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:26,600 the scene marketplace. 1414 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:27,600 I know he's a dev. 1415 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,840 I met him in the early days. 1416 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:39,120 We talk all the time actually just because he uses some RPC stuff and we pin all the 1417 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,360 IPFS stuff for Stargaze. 1418 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,440 So he provides a link or a feed for that based on what's coming through testnet, domainnet 1419 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:45,440 and all that kind of good stuff. 1420 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,440 So that's really cool. 1421 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:51,040 I didn't know that 49 people waiting to be let in on the invite code. 1422 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:56,160 It's really cool to work behind the scenes of Stargaze. 1423 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,000 I got to be the one to work the back chat. 1424 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:04,720 Is this similar to the one on Secret, what's it called? 1425 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:05,720 I don't remember. 1426 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:06,720 I'm losing track. 1427 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:07,720 They had this on Secret, right? 1428 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,280 So I think the intention is to have this for the interchange or for whatever chain you 1429 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,280 wanted. 1430 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:17,120 One of the comments of the news article here was I thought was quite hilarious. 1431 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:22,320 to the replies and he's just like, can we make this token gated and only access for 1432 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,000 a certain amount of staked atoms so we can use it for governance? 1433 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,640 So I had to take the opportunity to quote retweet and ship post on it. 1434 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,600 So I was like, the poor and the new are not allowed to speak to governance. 1435 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,280 You will listen to the rich and the old God. 1436 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,920 I jumped in there. I'm like, isn't that exactly the current Cosmos governance? 1437 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,200 This is exactly what it is. This is fucking, it's all validators voting. 1438 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,240 What do you want? How much more is centralize going to be than elected officials? 1439 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,920 Come on now. It's exactly what it is. 1440 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,800 Yeah. So it's like, Hey, here's this fun community thing. 1441 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,600 You know, you can get involved in chat with the NFT community. 1442 01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:00,560 No, we will token gate this and this is for us to discuss official governance business. 1443 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,280 And if you're a pleb, you are not allowed in. 1444 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:05,840 But no, it's fine. 1445 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,280 Song off the wall or something. 1446 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,400 Yeah, I swear it's a Pink Floyd song just exactly about built on that. 1447 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:16,240 Yeah. And then the second one, which was kind of subtly released was Shane from stars. 1448 01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:21,360 He's done like a 400 line Cosmos version of friends.tech. 1449 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,080 So I think he's looking to kind of get that into beta and start testing that, 1450 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:28,080 which would be interesting. 1451 01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:29,600 So I looked at the community. 1452 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,960 After you posted, I look at the repo is all like three or four weeks ago. 1453 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,680 That that's, I don't know, Shane, worry well, but I know well enough to at least, 1454 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,520 I think he probably looked at that saw the hyper on his like, I could build that and just, 1455 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,080 it's just maybe pulled in all night or just built the whole damn thing. 1456 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,240 Because it's all like, it looked like it was one push like three weeks ago. 1457 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,160 So it was, it's pretty cool. 1458 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:50,800 Hopefully he does it. 1459 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:52,560 Yeah. I'm sorry. 1460 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,080 I'm battling tech support over here still. 1461 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,240 Yeah. It's, I think it's really cool. 1462 01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:01,200 Like the, especially for stars in particular, like shipping community based features like that, 1463 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:02,800 right? Like they're very community orientated. 1464 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,640 So it makes sense for them to kind of ship those kind of community chats. 1465 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,720 And if you can get done chain and it's away from, you know, web to type social, 1466 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,240 then I think we're making good steps, especially if it's not using transactions, 1467 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,960 but it's using your on chain identity. 1468 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,080 I think those are kind of cool. 1469 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,280 Yep. Very cool. 1470 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,640 So Jake, Jake's lurking in the chat and I said, 1471 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:27,840 was actually in the first version of stargaze, which, which I remember steak, steak bird, 1472 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,160 which was the state. 1473 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,160 Pretty sure that was the name of it. 1474 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,880 Is that the chat part or which part? 1475 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,880 That was the, well, it was like, it was like, there are a bunch of stuff with, 1476 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,680 like, yeah, sort of like a delegate staking and social staking and stuff. 1477 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,640 So it's something obviously that Shane's thought a lot about and the rest of the stargaze 1478 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,080 he even thought a lot about over the years. 1479 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:56,480 So it's no surprise that obviously they've got some thoughts about how that would, 1480 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,400 how that would work. 1481 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,240 And therefore, you know, I think there's that back to the thing that we've talked about with 1482 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:06,640 stargaze before when we had Shane on the Jorge on and we've also talked to Jake about it too, 1483 01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:07,440 one point or another. 1484 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:12,320 Like everybody knows the whole NFT thing is basically a social thing and that's the way it 1485 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:12,800 works. 1486 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:20,240 So I think they, from, you know, the team very much started on the social side, pivoted to the NFT 1487 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:27,920 side because that had a bigger community than Web3Social and now heading back in that sort of 1488 01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:32,800 direction, which again kind of makes sense as a kind of roadmap. Yeah. 1489 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:37,760 And to your point, you say, like, it's back to the thing of like the reason that stargaze is a 1490 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:42,640 pretty good project in CosmosTurbs, is there a project that probably actually have a roadmap 1491 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,360 unlike most others, to be honest? 1492 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,960 Well, I think it, I mean, other than getting away from derivatives and swapping tokens and 1493 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:55,200 everything else, like there's a real product here that is a very early that can grow into a 1494 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:59,760 tremendous amount of different things, right? And I think the power of NFTs or 1495 01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:06,000 power of NFT is still, I think there's a lot of use cases still left to be defined. 1496 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:12,400 I mean, I had to point to the thought of that on which one of the many random Cosmos coins that 1497 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:19,280 we as a company hold from being early, I guess, that is likely to be worth anything in the future, 1498 01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,480 that would probably be on stargaze, to be honest. 1499 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:27,040 Yeah. And I think like one time, I remember, I thought about this a few weeks ago, but I think 1500 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:32,160 one time I hear, I might have said that stargaze is undervalued in Cosmos. And like that's a true 1501 01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,880 statement, but not a very fair statement because it is extremely valuable and valued in Cosmos. 1502 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:43,120 And I think it's nowhere near what it should be. Like, so it's both valued and undervalued, 1503 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:49,520 but I really, I mean, that team, the way that they ship and I think what's coming and the 1504 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:54,400 attention though, because you don't want like, if you want that stuff to actually work like in a 1505 01:08:54,400 --> 01:09:00,240 mass scale, like it can't be like ETH prices for NFTs, like that shit's fucking insane. 1506 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:06,640 Yeah, I agree. Or at least, well, so you, well, it's, it's all relative, right? 1507 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:11,680 Because yeah, so the problem is actually that you have multiple, and this is why Fiat currency 1508 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:17,840 works for what it works for, right? Is that you have one token trying to be all things to all men, 1509 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:22,560 whereas it's actually not just one product, but it's an ecosystem of products that actually have 1510 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,920 orthogonal use cases back to the thing of like, essentially validators, ideally always, 1511 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,960 they need to have money, right? They need to have money to sell, right? But you don't want 1512 01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:39,760 downward pressure on your token. And you also don't want validator selling to affect NFC prices, 1513 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,920 but it will do if you, you know, it's all of these kind of everything is kind of all interconnected 1514 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:49,520 and it's all, right? Yeah, in this bear market, it's back to the, I don't know why Australian 1515 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:56,240 contingent is always the most down with DeFi, but it's back down to what our Australian contingent 1516 01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:02,000 always talk about with, you know, LSM and all this stuff to reduce that kind of pressure or to change 1517 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:07,520 it. And a lot of that is just because of the app chain model is still, the entire ecosystem has to 1518 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:12,320 be built on that new coin, right? And then when you get away from that and you go, well, we can just 1519 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:18,240 spin up any number of coins, you end up going back to the proliferation of shitcoins of Ethereum, 1520 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:23,200 but with like just a tiny, a tiny footprint, because each app chain in Cosmos is like chicken 1521 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:29,040 feed compared to other than maybe atom, this chicken feed to a lot of the size of ecosystems 1522 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:34,560 that you need to be in order to have that proliferation of all coins that people like. 1523 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:39,120 But, but it's all relative. Like, I mean, even you never know how good you have it, because 1524 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,640 like we do a lot of transactions in the Ethereum world too. And if I can do an actual transfer, 1525 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,600 if I can do some things for under five bucks, a transaction, I'm pretty happy. 1526 01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:50,320 Like, I'm like, all right, this is a good deal. Like it's only $3.40 for me to send this, this 1527 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:55,760 token token. So like, it's like maybe under 20, 25 quay, something similar to that, right? I'm 1528 01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:00,240 pretty ecstatic. And you go on Twitter and everybody's fucking bitching about less than one cent 1529 01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:04,240 transaction fees in Cosmos. Like, yeah, I know it's not much, but I'm going to do a million of 1530 01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:09,760 these. So therefore, that really adds up, folks. Like, like, I get it. But at the same time, like, 1531 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:14,800 there has to be some balance there, right? So, and we want to get, I think we all want to get to 1532 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:21,200 the point of trying to reduce mint and we try to reduce inflation and be able to work off fees. 1533 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:26,080 And like, there has to your point, I think there's going to be a balance there. And some 1534 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,560 change will find that balance and others will not. Like, I think, I think, Ramez said the same 1535 01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,280 thing, right? Like, like, and whether or not that's all, if all the pressure's on just the native 1536 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:41,040 token, that's a tough spot to be in because like, we get usually paid in the native token, right? 1537 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:46,560 That's our, that's our, that's the way that we, that we have to eat. And so therefore, that we're 1538 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:51,920 automatically putting down a pressure on. So what are this? And I think the infinity swaps that's 1539 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:57,280 coming out very soon from what I hear will be, will be quite a catalyst, right? Like, you know, 1540 01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:02,480 the previous marketplace experience where it is nice for Stargaze, it's just replicating, 1541 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:06,720 you know, very basic features that we have on kind of ETH and have had for a very long time. 1542 01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:11,280 So having something new from a Cosmos perspective with, you know, being able to LP your own tokens, 1543 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:18,800 reducing or removing royalties for creators and then minting, you know, 10% of the collection 1544 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:24,400 for themselves and pairing it against either stars or USDC, it kind of opens up a lot more of those 1545 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:30,800 kind of defy options. And you will hopefully see kind of less direct sell pressure on the token, 1546 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,480 because, you know, rather than going to the marketplace and going, oh, do I want to buy 1547 01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:39,760 that NFT, you can just do a straight swap. Hey, I want to swap, you know, this amount of X token, 1548 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:46,000 and I receive five of the related NFTs because the floor price is determined by how many are paired 1549 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:52,240 in the pool against said token. So I think with secondary with different tokens, 1550 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:59,680 you know, Adam, USDC, whatever you want to do, whilst also using something like Osmosis's 1551 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:08,800 fee abstraction module, as an example, where you can buy a token, buy an NFT with Adam off 1552 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:14,960 the secondary, the portion of that that's supposed to be burnt is swapped into stars and burnt 1553 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,280 with the fee abstraction module as an example. So the community is still getting what it's, 1554 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:23,440 you know, promised by governance, you're not putting downward sell pressure on the token, 1555 01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:27,680 because it's the secondary is in a different token. And perhaps, you know, you send a small 1556 01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:33,120 percentage to the foundation or the community pool to start accruing value back into the chain itself 1557 01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,600 to continue development and diversify the community pool, etc. So there's lots of options 1558 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,320 there. It's just a matter of how you implement it and how long it takes to do it. One of my 1559 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:48,160 criticisms of Cosmos is things take too long, right? Like, you know, six months to deliver 1560 01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:53,920 infinity swaps on Stargaze, for example, small teams on Ethereum deliver that in a few weeks, 1561 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:58,640 right, with a very basic website. And now we're in the position where we're releasing 1562 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:05,920 infinity swaps on Stargaze, but they've already got curved pools on Ethereum, right? And we're 1563 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,240 already getting, they're already moving on from, you know, these basic pooling mechanisms to 1564 01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:14,720 different new mechanisms that they've invented on Ethereum. So we just need to kind of find that 1565 01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,720 balance between delivering features and providing a good user experience to make sure we're staying 1566 01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:23,840 relevant. If we're not staying relevant in terms of features and functionality of either DeFi or, 1567 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,240 you know, NFTs, we're not going to attract new users. You know, we need to be innovating and 1568 01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:33,440 bringing new features that other people don't have and attracting users that way. 1569 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:39,040 The same thing about money and everything, isn't it? Like, it's a little bit where we are. 1570 01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:44,480 Oh, I would say that it's the development cycle, right? Like, I think that Cosmos Prides 1571 01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:49,920 itself, especially our like blue chip chains, pride ourselves on delivering these incredibly 1572 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:55,040 good user experience, you know, concentrated liquidity and infinity swaps as two examples, 1573 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,160 right? They're going to be very nice features, but they've taken a year to deliver. 1574 01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:04,240 But is that purely development or is that more just risk adverse because it's early and we want 1575 01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:10,320 to make, like those teams don't want to make incorrect steps or like, is that just being cautious 1576 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,880 or because it's early for the ecosystem or is that truly like we're all agreement, 1577 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,120 this is where we want to be, it just takes forever to be able to build? 1578 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:24,240 I think it's probably cautious and also shows the lack of, you know, basic developer that we have 1579 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:29,920 in Cosmos. So, you know, in the bull market, we use Fortis as the example, right? Absolute crazy 1580 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:35,120 ride, DGen. But the innovation that that opened up with, you know, pairing liquid, 1581 01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:40,720 pairing LPs against other base tokens, that's a cool feature that other chains could use. 1582 01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:46,080 And they're probably featured in their code that other chains could use. If we had DGen's 1583 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:51,600 building alternative marketplace of stars where they shipped, you know, these like for like features 1584 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:56,560 on Ethereum very quick and dirty. And then Stargaze goes, oh, that's kind of cool. Let's, you know, 1585 01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:01,280 add that as part of our DApp or an additional feature. I just think it's we're relying on these 1586 01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,880 core devs to build these core platform features. So they take their time with it. 1587 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,520 To make sure it's right. But that development cycle means that, you know, we miss out on 1588 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,600 other innovation opportunities. But Fortis also didn't work, right? It didn't stick. So 1589 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:18,000 you're also relay, you're relaying it to something that fizzled. And so, and these, 1590 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,560 these teams are building for a decade. So they're not going to like just step into something that 1591 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:27,040 like from a, from a consumer perspective, there might be 10 chains that could do this job. So 1592 01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:32,000 that like we want to, we want to see things happen fast and before, but from a team perspective, 1593 01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,680 they're trying to hold on to the value and grow it at a, at a sustainable rate, right? So they 1594 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:40,160 don't want to take that amount of risk and, and risk something that could destroy the chain as well. 1595 01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:44,240 Right. For sure. Right. And that's why I said, you know, the two blue chip examples take the, 1596 01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,160 the slower, less risk adverse approach. You know, having something like, you know, these crazy 1597 01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:53,280 features built on like who or something, right? Is a perfect example of like based on what they 1598 01:16:53,280 --> 01:17:02,960 say, Chihuahua, like that's where this DGN stuff should be built, right? And then you have your 1599 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,880 chips go, oh, is that, is that nice? Let's leverage off that and bring that feature in. 1600 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,360 So that's fair. That's fair. And let, and yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. And to your point, like 1601 01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:16,320 Fortis was, you're right, like, like what they were, maybe not the full package, but you're 1602 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,040 right. Is there a reasonable components in there we could look at and say, this is something that 1603 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,240 we want to, we want to cherry pick out of this and be able to use somewhere else, right? Yeah. 1604 01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:26,640 Last news item, which is funnily enough, the news now takes up the whole show. 1605 01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:34,800 Composable finance, the first chain to bring us an IBC connection to dots is requesting to join 1606 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:40,480 the atom economic zone. In their original proposal, they asked for 450,000 atoms for protocol and 1607 01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:45,120 liquidity, which is very swiftly removed after some basic questions from the community. 1608 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:53,440 Their plan is to make the hub, the IBC router for the interch, for the interconnected network of 1609 01:17:53,440 --> 01:18:00,320 blockchains. And they're, you know, they've pitched a bunch of revenue through IBC transactions. 1610 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:07,840 And they're going to provide 8 million Pica tokens, which is their, their chains token per day for 1611 01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:14,400 the validator set from inflation's. And the Pica tokens got a bunch of zeros in front of its 1612 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:20,720 price and it's down 80% since May. So I think there's probably some questions around economic 1613 01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:29,520 sustainability there and transaction volumes. But yes, put it up. Yeah. It's, it's a little bit more 1614 01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:35,600 price pressure on the atom validator set. It's fine. We okay. So that's an interesting one. I think 1615 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:42,400 initially there was some, you know, scrutiny around the founder, which is always going to happen. But 1616 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:48,400 I'm more interested in the economic model, right? Like currently there's been about 5000 volume 1617 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:53,920 across their decks in dollars. So I count much IBC volume that we had from dot to cosmos. 1618 01:18:53,920 --> 01:19:01,200 5000 USD. Yeah. Not 5000 transactions, $5000 straight up across the entire thing. 1619 01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:06,560 From what I can see, it's very difficult to see because they, they're on ping pub and I think the 1620 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:13,600 IBC client was on byte codes don't decode very well. So like actually tracking transaction 1621 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:19,360 volumes very difficult. So I can only use their decks as like a catalyst of how much has been 1622 01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:23,840 swapped through as an example, which is quite low, which gives me an indication that there's 1623 01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:30,000 probably not a whole lot of IBC transaction on top. The main thing is like, I would have thought 1624 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:35,440 that if people were interested in being cross ecosystem, we would have seen like a decent uptick 1625 01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:40,880 in, you know, dot being LP on osmosis as an example. What is going to be the catalyst for this? 1626 01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:48,000 Was the dot from composable ever marked as like the canonical dot? Because you can also get dot 1627 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:55,920 through axler, right? So I believe because it's now through IBC, it's going to be, 1628 01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:01,840 I don't know if it's actually gone through on chain as the canonical dot. But the composable 1629 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:07,680 chain Centuri will be basically it's going to hold all the denoms for everything that comes from dot. 1630 01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:13,680 And they plan to do that for like abax and eth and they want it to be an easy chain and provide 1631 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:20,560 20% of the revenue back to the hub. So my biggest thing is like the transaction volume, right? Like 1632 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:27,520 why would people bring their dot to cosmos other than being long on dot and then using it in defy 1633 01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:33,200 to earn some cosmos assets? I just don't see the big catalyst here. And it's the same for like 1634 01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:37,360 abax and stuff, right? Like you're just going to swap. Yeah, well, this was about the size of the 1635 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:44,400 ecosystem. Like and what you can do and what can you do in cosmos that you can't do in polka dot? 1636 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,680 I mean, there's quite a few things, but they mainly are, I mean, they're mainly technical 1637 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,000 really, like as a developer, there's a lot of reasons for being in the cosmos ecosystem rather 1638 01:20:54,000 --> 01:21:00,800 than the polka dot one. But the end user way, maybe you don't care. You're just a shit coin investor. 1639 01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:07,360 You know, potato with toe, no? And the biggest thing is, which is why I think 1640 01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:11,280 Composal has been going around asking for protocol and liquidity from a bunch of 1641 01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:18,720 Dex's and neutron atom, I assume they'll ask for Osmo as well, is that you'll bring your dot across, 1642 01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:23,200 you might use it in something, but at the end of the day, you're going to most likely need to 1643 01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:27,520 want to swap it at some point. And if you don't have liquidity along that path, then it's essentially 1644 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:32,320 useless bridging it across. Right. Answer your question. And she'll team that is coming across 1645 01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:38,880 through Moonbeam, not XLR, but that's coming through Moonbeam on Osmo. I thought Moonbeam was 1646 01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:45,600 through XLR. Is it? Yeah. Oh, it's just a front end. Yeah. Oh, my bad. There's other dot that's 1647 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:51,280 not visible or usable anywhere. Hmm. Yeah. Interesting. Anyway, you know, out of 1648 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:57,600 Mechanomics Zone, props are always fun. So we'll see if it gets on chain and how that plays out. 1649 01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:03,120 You got to work on your order of these. You kind of left a download. You got to work on the order 1650 01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:09,040 of these. Yeah. I think that's a great news. More chains wanting to join the AES, it's bullish, 1651 01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:14,320 don't you think? Even though you said, it's not going to happen, but yeah, it's bullish. 1652 01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:25,040 I'm not an atom validator. I'm not gifted the opportunity to vote to change the world. 1653 01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,960 This feels a little bit like quantity is a quality all of its own. 1654 01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,840 You know, whenever there's like another one of these projects coming along, you're a little bit 1655 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:40,400 like, hmm, I mean, it might do something, but it might not. And I've been wrong before. So now I'm 1656 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:49,360 just like, yeah, it's kind of, I guess it's all kind of back to the bullish or bullshitt from 1657 01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:55,920 Ben Davis in the chat. Yes, indeed. It's kind of all back to the match. I think impossibly, 1658 01:22:55,920 --> 01:23:01,760 this is like the vestiges of half an economic degree poking through. But I guess I look at 1659 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,920 some of that stuff and I go, well, the user base isn't significantly different. And what can we 1660 01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:12,000 offer like the average user that they could do their own eco? And it's definitely bullish to have it, 1661 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:17,840 right? May as well. Why not? But you're also just like, it's not enough to turn the needle on anything 1662 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:23,040 significant. That's like a macro question. That's like a macro question of where we are 1663 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,800 with inflation, the wider economy, access to liquidity, access to fear, 1664 01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:32,720 what people have in their own pockets, right? And I'm not sure we can just create derivatives to 1665 01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:37,600 get ourselves out of that problem. Because fundamentally, somewhere somebody's getting 1666 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,600 paid for their day job and eventually that money ends up as liquidity somewhere, 1667 01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:52,720 you know, as shitcoins, right? But the vector for all the party all happening is somewhere 1668 01:23:52,720 --> 01:24:04,720 far away from where we are for the majority of users. Like nobody's getting paid in.