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to, I put a single letter. So like regards, yours sincerely or whatever. And then like,

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but it's still like a boomer, like a like a letter rather than like,

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wait, wait, wait, wait, you bring in regards and sincerely right next to each other regards, comma,

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no, I'm not regards, your sincerely because grammatically that would be

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like complete garbage, like a good regards or your sincerely.

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You don't use cheers. Isn't that like against the law over there?

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Cheat like not in a not in the business email.

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That would be like, go fuck yourself. Cheers.

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Welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from independent validator teams.

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Welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from independent validator teams. And

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something has obviously just come up. The server racks on fire clearly at Rhino HQ.

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So, and I thought I could hear some banging over there earlier.

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Was there actually some banging? Yeah, we were to yeah, what's the

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intern installing the new fucking server?

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And there's like a very strong thing where my my level of facial hair struck like really

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closely tracks my mental state at any given time. So you can see right now,

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fucking riding high. Things are great. We're in the artifact t-shirt. This is a great t-shirt,

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by the way. It's the only t-shirt I own in this color. But like, I always whenever I see it,

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like, you know, the Marie Kondo thing where you just roll up t-shirts rather than try and

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fold them. I'm way too late. I'm barely even got the energy ever to fucking just roll the

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fuckers. But you know, you're like, you're like, hmm, today's today's going to be an okay day.

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And then you reach up and you see the baby blue artifact t-shirt like rolled Marie Kondoed on the

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edge of the like in your cupboard. And you're like, today's an artifact day. I'm going to treat myself.

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I'm going to treat myself to artifact staking today sponsors of this podcast.

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They're actually they actually don't sponsor this podcast, but they should be about I think

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this must be the second or third time I've talked about how much I like this t-shirt on this podcast.

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There are literally tens of regular listeners, all of which have probably already long, long ago

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staked all of their Cosmos shitcoins with another provider. But never if you want to

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stake outside of Cosmos or on any chain that needlecast do not run on, then please consider staking

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with the other three validators around this call. I don't know if anybody actually knows if everybody's

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all four of us do run nodes for just want to make sure everybody clear that we're not just

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making recommendations about the validators that are part of this podcast. Yeah, but there are

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different I think there are different levels of commitment to the bit on there at this point.

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I know 18 months into a bear market or whatever point we are now 1415 months into a bear market

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whatever watch, March, March, what is the Dan coming? When did Tara happen? That was March.

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Month now. So are we going to call that 15 months or 90 or 15 months or 17 months? What do you

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reckon? It just seems like let me consult with my accountant before making any statements about

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the condition of the market. Yes, so delegations though and staking. We got a lot of heat this

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last week from people threatening that and it's such a good threat. Like so here's what happened.

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So white whales looking for liquidity matching and they wanted 600,000 Juneau in Juneau from the

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Juneau Community Fund, I think. And so we voted no one in like no, that's like that's like 5%

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of Juneau's market cap that you're asking for. Absolutely not. And so I got like firestormed

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on Twitter about from the white whale folks because they're like you voted yes from Tara for

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this same prop like yeah. And it's also like 10 times plus larger. So it's not as big of a deal.

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And all these people lavender five has fallen from grace. I'm going to undeligate everything.

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I'm sorry. You're going to put grace for fucking white whale.

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Yeah. So I was like, okay, yeah, whatever. And I heard him in

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despite this is why you expression. I'm obviously neutral on this one very, very

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you are abstaining only because you're on that one because it was but that facial expression,

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you didn't see it. I didn't react. Once you start making a decision, you're going to take heat from

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one of the camps. If you make no decision, you'll be fine. Just abstain. Well, Erdeman,

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because it's Erdeman, he was all sassy about it to respond on Twitter. And I was like,

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that's why I like Erdeman. Was he just like, actually, I think you'll find the this and this

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and this. And if you read into it, you will find this and this and this because that would be like

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that would be the most Dutch. He also won't yes, but also he was like, well, also,

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so if you would prefer validators that don't like pay attention to their voting, then please go

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ahead and delegate elsewhere. It was just over the place. That is classic. But consider if all

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validators did the opposite of what you're suggesting, then this would happen. Yeah.

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Yeah, I represent that. I would be angry. I'm just trying to resemble that remark there.

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You fight me with all these consequences. I'm changing my whole opinion on these

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governance type of props like this. Your argument is 100% correct. It's totally correct.

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At the same time, there's a limited lifespan of all these types of chains. And we're just going

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to throw them like I wrote like no point in steering now. Sure, what the fuck? Let's try it.

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If it doesn't, then we're at a new low. We have to try the next thing. We try the next thing.

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And we try the next thing. I'm kind of now. Your million monkeys, million typewriters is the

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Rhino perspective at this point in the bear market. None of these ideas seem any better than

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none of the previous ideas. So what's the fucking difference? That pretty much, I think, was my

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reaction to the open sourcing of the Dowdow front end as it happens. Yeah. Well, yeah,

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we talked about that one too. But I love that. I love your like little references that you put

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in your governance comments. Nobody gets that one though. The why both the steering now one was

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hilarious after you explained it. So I'm my I'll put a link in there without my vote for this.

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If you said yes, why like what's no point in steering now is what it's from. And that's

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some strange brew reference. So they get there. If you remember Bob and Doug, they're breaks cut

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and they're running down the they're heading out of the van towards the river. And then

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Bob just goes no point in steering now because like there's no breaks or anything else. So you

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take off, you grab that wheel. So anyway, so everybody can get like,

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show everyone here. Take your coffee break daily and just go and read Serp's fucking

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governance comment of the day for a friendly UI for a soft vote, don't we? You know,

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the vote weighted where it's just like troll vote. Maybe that's maybe that's on the maybe we're

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looking for applications for the game and all the website. That's a perfect one.

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To be fair, we should just make a game and those website where all you can do is validate

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your is click on the bottom. It just doesn't vote weight. It just connects to capital. 25%

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for it. Exactly. That would be sweet. I like it. Maybe I should just do that.

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Feel like it's our website governance. Our website should just be the screen with our

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stupid logo in the middle. You click on the logo and it just asks you for your seed phrase.

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That was your website, wasn't it?

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Yeah. I mean, 75 iterations of that same website. I can recycle the code.

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I remember being on a this was like this classic bull market behavior. I remember being on a group

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call with the budget people trying to debug your website. About 15 months ago, we must have been

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because it must have been when there was when money was still a thing. Yeah. Yeah, that was

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the group call with everybody I know trying to figure out how to make my APR thing work properly.

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It was just like, oh, you can just do anything. I just realized the other day that it's been

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broken for 15 months in the actual head a bit where that doesn't work. So I need to review that

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at some point. To be honest, my website's pretty low on my list of priorities. I should probably

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remedy that. Yeah. I mean, it depends whether you get much inbound dollar reduced from it. Like

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it gets like about maybe two views a day. So that's something. It's I'm getting my name out there,

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man. That's me. I'm just testing it for you. Yeah. It's my website monitor to see if it's still a

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week's syrup checks twice a day to see if I've actually done my terms and conditions yet. So

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you can help me base them. I have a separate website is has King Node fixed their website yet.

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That just pings it every day and then just keeps it all. Nope. Nope. Nope.

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We can quite easy do a game of notes website where I say has given us actually bought that

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website yet and just says no. No. Slice 72. I'm thinking of pick a really bad like tight face like

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Times New Roman or Georgia. Nobody likes Georgia. Papyrus. Is there a papyrus web font? Does that

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even work? Yeah, you think so? Yeah. Oh, of course you can because you know, CSS 3. A website

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entirely written in winged virus. Winged. Well, you could just you just use Unicode emojis and

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that would just be completely valid. To be fair, we'll be quite fun to write an entire website

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where the only thing on the page at any given time was emojis. Oh, my goodness.

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Science. We're talking like ASCII art with emojis. That would be sweet. Oh, like,

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I mean, ASCII art. ASCII art is fantastic. It's so fun. I fucking love ASCII art.

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Let me too. So hard to get into a web page because like you need to be responsive. And then

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if it gets even slightly broken, the whole effect is lost. Look at you flexing your knowledge

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using words like responsive. That's such a funny word. That doesn't mean anywhere what you think

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it means. Like, no, it's just it's like the size of the screen. I remember the first time when I

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was learning web dev reading that word and I was like, I feel like I was going to be chasing around

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a button on the screen. It's like make it responsive. Yeah, or like it like loads faster

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something. Or you click on the button and it's like, Hey, hey. Well, I mean, that's that's that's

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more like caching, isn't it? Or something. I don't know. Responsive. It yells at you when you do stuff.

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That's responding. Yeah, responsive.

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It's something like being responsive, right?

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I don't know. I mean, idiomatically, I think you'd mainly use responsive. It's usually used in

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medical contents context, isn't it? Like it's the patient responsive. You wouldn't say somebody is

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like, maybe you say something is, are they responsive on email? No, you'd say like, they

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don't respond very quickly to emails. You'd use the full sentence like responsive is very much

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like the breathing, not breathing. So like the health checks on Noel's website? Yeah, exactly.

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Is is Noel's website fixed yet? Meg? No.

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That even need to check the assumption. Nope. Nope. Nope. I don't know why I'm looking in that

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direction. It's like, there's actually just as you can see a fucking baby gym there.

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Well, because then you're looking at Noel is the thing. That's why I look for me. So totally

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checked out. He's actually just over on that side of the room. This is all just a separate scam.

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A Brady Bunch. You gotta like do that. Look up. Holy shit.

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I think your marker just got really fucking lit. I think we did find it. Yeah, it is. Sorry.

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I think in the help, you need to move that to the other side of the room, dude. I think on a

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really good subject. Okay, those didn't we pull that scan in like May last year. I can hear your

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hair follicles growing. I'm you. Oh, fuck me. It's loud. You are quite loud. Your mind is gone

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real loud. Yeah. And not so that we can hear the banging in the screwing in the background.

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You better check your wife. Hey, yo. Hey, yo.

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Yeah. So how was everyone's week being anyway, man? I've been fucking busy. I don't even know

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what I've been doing, but I've been fucking busy. Busy. Is that better? How am I doing there?

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It's still quite loud. Crisp and loud. Which is very good. There's no distortion of loudness.

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How about now? Is that better? Yeah. Yeah, it's a bit way better. Yeah. I had it on the

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streamier, like auto adjust, which then I just turned it off and jacked it down.

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Jacked it. No one. I could hear you're very loud and very clear through my studio speakers was

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making my Gucci rattle. So before we get on to the news, Ben Davis has asked if Game of Nose was

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a font. What font would it be? It would be Wingdings. No, it's Mark. No, it's price down.

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It's the game. It's the game. It's the same font we've used for Game of Nose logo. It's the

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wasted font for Grand Theft Auto. Those are the two energies of Game of Nose.

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Yeah. I think that's the obvious answer. Or that like the PlayStation 3 font.

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Yeah. We have like a lot. We didn't actually get printed, but we there's a t-shirt design that

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says I dump shitcoins in the wasted font from Grand Theft Auto. It's actually quite a funny

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t-shirt. Sure, there is. We still need that one printed. You know what? Someone's gonna be

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designed for that. I'm just gonna make it happen because I'm sick of us talking about it and me

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getting excited about it and then not being printed. Wait, that would be down now. With the

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two dudes. Is that the one we're talking about? I know we have a different one. We have a lot of

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it's about to be a bunch of token unlocks in the coming week, right? We should not on this

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cool, but on a different cool workout. How many shitcoins we want to throw into the dow to maybe

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print some t-shirts? That's true. Is that safe with the state of Juneau right now?

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You know, we'd have more tokens. The state of Juneau, I mean, the white whale bit or which bit?

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Which of the many current existential crises in the cosmos are we talking about?

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And into the news, no, but also which one? Sir, you are like extremely quiet now.

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No, the adaptive camera is fucking terrifying. Just fucking pleasing you.

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Yeah, I've got the actually, mine seems really not very loud.

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You sound like you're loud. Yeah, you're fine. Yeah. I've got the

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the iPhone tapes to my monitor again. So I'm back at the office. So yeah, I like the

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office. You mean the parent's basement? Look, you don't need to be like that, right?

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You don't need to be a fussy guy with an office. You too could be a validator living in your

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parents' basement. If you have a Raspberry Pi, you can be on the board of the ICF.

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I have a collection of Raspberry Pi's. Before we move on. I could hope so. It's a validator.

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You can see your refrigerator from your bed. You know you've made it.

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If you can't see your refrigerator from your bed, then by definition, you can't see your beer from

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your bed. And then by definition, you're not in Australia, right? So I actually had to have

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a graph enough question really from my desk this morning because all I could smell was like

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stale beer and all the fucking tins and shit on my desk. It was like, don't tell people that.

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Too bad if I don't tell people that. My desk is big enough to have enough cans on it that I can

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smell stale beer out of them. My desk for the first time in about eight days does not have

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any half-painted models on it because I finished speed painting an army.

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This is a big achievement. You've been working on this for the 15 months of bear market, right?

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Oh, no. I speed painted two armies in the spring and summer and I have speed painted an army for

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a completely different game in the last 10 days, which actually is not that speedy really.

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Where do you find the energy? I was doing other stuff too. I also filled some holes inside the

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house which were, I believe, discussed in a previous episode, big holes. You're an inspiration.

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Well, you asked about 10 minutes ago how things were going. I was like, well,

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no holes inside my house right now. So I finished it. I shaved my face, got an artifact t-shirt.

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I mean, things are really looking up this Wednesday. That's what I'm saying.

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You know, I think, sounds marked, but I think our greatest advertising allies are each other.

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Like none of us really wear our own shit. I mean, you did for a while, but

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no one else, well, CERP was wearing the hat for a bit. But if any of us make anything decent,

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the other people wear it. They're like, yeah, I'll wear that. I don't like that shit.

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Lavender's logo is totally fucking sick. Like literally, put it on a baby blue t-shirt.

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I'll wear it for Wednesday. That's still what it's like.

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It's a good one. Lavender logo, baby blue t-shirt. Let's talk. Let's make it happen.

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I've tried so many, hold on one second. Anyone would assume that I work for

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11 to five because it's like the only sticker on my laptop?

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I've tried so many different ways of putting it on things and it just never looks right to me.

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And that's the problem. Like, what else? It, what else? It's Schiltz's hats. He's like,

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oh, you want one of these beanies? I'm like, no.

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You're putting it in white or is it, it's like in black or is it what's the?

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I don't know. I don't know what exactly like is about it that I just, it doesn't like ring,

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it doesn't call to me. It doesn't seem right, but obviously no agrees. Like I showed them,

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like it's a gray background and like it's a high quality beanie. It just doesn't,

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I don't know. I don't have like that design skill to make it work. I just know that I don't like it.

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You just need to like slightly off black and invert the black on the lavender logo to white.

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Oh, I've tried that. That doesn't look good.

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Really? Yeah. Unfortunately. It makes it look really funky. Here, I'll, I'll send you like

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some designs that I had done for it. Okay. Dr. Frey, there is, there is something about that

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beanie that makes you not want to be in the same room as it. Yeah. I'll have to take your word for

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it then. You want to put it in a locked box when you go to sleep. Make sure it doesn't come, come

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back out. Hey, listen, I, your King knows t-shirt. I mean, people in glass houses, that was pretty

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bad. That was pretty bad for everybody who doesn't know that, but I never saw the real thing. It

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was probably, I mean, cheaply done. Oh yeah. Well, it seemed expensive to me, but it was like

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not great. The printing, the people who printed it like did not do a good job at printing it.

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Yeah. With, you know, like any quality, you know, ink at all. So the biggest part that I fucked up,

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that I'm getting pops, the biggest part that I fucked up was that I, like I didn't, you have to

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choose where to put the fucking logo on your, like in space. And it's got like this, you know,

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picture of a shirt and you're like dragging the thing around. I'm like, well, you want it off to

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the side, right? Surely like as far to the side as you can get, like would be on your chest,

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I assumed. Well, apparently it's probably more like underneath your armpit. So there's like

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these logos, which are hanging off the side of your chest and it might look fucking dumb.

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Well, the correct answer is you always go like a hand width below the collar.

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Yeah. How do you measure a hand width on the fucking screen? Like,

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Well, you extrapolate, don't you? You look at the picture and you go, well, that's the thing.

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And you look at the picture. You look at the t-shirt and you go, oh, it's about that far.

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Like, wouldn't the printer have looked at that and gone, geez, that's pretty fucking dumb.

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Maybe I'll send him an email. Yeah. Like they should have it. They should have a,

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like, what the hell, a non-shith printer. They tend to get in touch with you if you

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fuck anything up. Yeah. This guy's got a really good reason for putting the logo under the

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armpit. It sounds like maybe you went for a very cheap printer or a very not very good one.

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Don't come around here with you. Come around here, right? Well, I'm just saying, like, if you spend

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a little bit, if you spend a little bit more, you end up with a usable t-shirt that people want to wear.

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And it was a, it was a last minute thing. So, I mean, this is, this is kind of why you're not

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on the t-shirt now. So our sub-design, we purposely let you off. I'm taking it as a learning experience.

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I can do better next time. I kept it. It's up in my drawer. I want to pull 10 years from now after

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you. You're branding master. I'm going to say, look, right now, Artifact has like, he's storing

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him full of indefinite shit in his apartment. So as far as you know, they're still there.

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You surf, you surf for like 10 years time, like gets it out, whistfully looks at it and it's just like,

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so unfortunate what happened to him.

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Just like a single tear, the single tear unbidded rolls down his cheek as he folds it up.

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He's like, good night. He's like, make it into a bandana.

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Puts it back into the box, closes it. John even said to me, he's like,

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how are you going to get this stuff home, man? I'm like, I'm not taking that shit home.

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You're taking it home. He took it home.

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Kind of plain, right? Brought that shit home. Yeah, you're like, fucking, that works.

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So people went to lengths to help me with that. And I have to say it was not worth it.

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The wrong people. That's the wrong people. The wrong questions.

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All right, let's bring it back.

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Let's bring it back. We have missed three weeks. Does that mean we get three treats today?

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Okay, so should we replace the three to the week with the usurper vote?

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Around clockwise, right? You set the vote of the week.

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First of all, Null, tell me when to stop. Okay. Stop.

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And which page left or right? Right. And which first one?

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Five. Okay. The category is gaming. The tweet. The vagina monologues.

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But for gaming, it really makes you think. Okay.

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Kind of feel like you need to be familiar with the vagina monologues.

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Conception. Remember why we...

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This is like a skipping question.

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Usurper.

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Oh, are we doing it again?

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Yeah. Same one.

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How many are we doing?

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Three.

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Wait, that was it. That was the entire tweet. No, I want to stop in the sex category.

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Okay, so you need to say when. Let's say stop.

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I don't know the book though. Keep going. Right there.

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Let's close it up.

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We are in the section. This is a bit meta called Twitter.

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Left page or right page?

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Left bottom.

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Left bottom.

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Wait, you're booked in automatically update to call it X instead of Twitter.

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I might have a functionality.

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Links in certain versions of the app client are actually currently broken

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because it doesn't understand that it's now no longer Twitter.com. It's x.com.

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Really?

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And they're just broken. They're fucking broken.

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Like deep links.

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Okay. Spending my weekend retooling a joke about fucking the tiny little hole in the bathroom sink

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that prevents the water level from increasing too much.

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I like that one.

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Good. Read that again.

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Good energy.

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I don't know.

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Do we have to...

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Let the book go. It's gone.

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It's gone until this time. You have to rewatch this episode now.

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Right. Short seat. Say when.

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Just let it go.

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When?

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When. Just let it go.

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This is again in the Twitter section.

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Must be a big section.

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Left or right page?

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Left the bottom one.

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Me. Me colon.

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Sorry, I must turn down your offer to join the mafia

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as it had disappointed my friends on Twitter.

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The mafia colon.

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The mafia respects your decision.

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Are we the mafia in this analogy?

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I don't even know there's an analogy there.

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And then block pain is me?

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Maybe.

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Yes.

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All right.

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It's like a Chinese function, fortune cookie.

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That's what it feels like.

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I think you might need to do some pre-selection on these.

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I want to have the random thing that I'm working on.

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It needs to let fortune cookies narrow the list.

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Yeah, you need a little bit of them.

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Fortune cookies are a precious bunch as well.

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Like, so I had a job.

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I was going on it for a job interview or something like this.

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And the day after, we were like in a big Asian supermarket,

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like a cash and carry, like a wholesalers.

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They had big floor to ceiling warehouse of just stuff.

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And I was like, holy fuck, you can buy loads of stuff here.

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Huge quantities, like four kilos of ramen noodles,

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like 24 cans of A&W or like 48 or some ridiculous number,

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like fucking 10 kilos of fucking A&W or whatever.

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And they have like a five kilo box of fortune cookies.

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And I was like, damn, that's a lot of fortune cookies

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because they're mostly air, right?

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I was like, if I get that job tomorrow,

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I'll come back and buy that box.

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And then I did get the job and I bought this box

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and it's like the size of me, it's huge.

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And it was just sat in the corner of our flat in the living room.

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And anytime anybody came over, we were like, hey, Matt,

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do you want a fortune cookie?

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And people were like, yeah, sure I have a fortune cookie.

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Now, yeah, do you want to take like 400 with you because we've got.

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And we had like, the whole flat was like,

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every surface was covered in the little ticker tapes

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because we just, we were just like every time,

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we drink a lot of tea in this country, right?

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Every time you have a cup of tea, you're just like,

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do you want a fortune cookie?

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Yeah, all right, fuck it.

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Like, you know, we've got a lot to get through, man.

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And so we just, we had, we could have wallpapered the place

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in fortune cookie things.

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And you know what?

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Surprisingly, few of them are duplicated.

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That's the weirdest thing.

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They got somebody fucking knocking out those one liners,

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like really pulling hard, putting in the work.

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I don't know what to say.

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That guy or gal or massive team of underpaid migrant labor

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or whatever it is.

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A bunch of interns.

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A bunch of interns, yeah.

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Working hard, not hardly working like the rest of us.

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Pretty working as the future.

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Hardly working as a smart bet, to be fair.

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That's the goal.

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Yeah.

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I mean, this last week, shit, I've been fucking hardly working.

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It's been absolutely great.

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It turns out that there is no substitute for actually taking time off

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where you don't do work to get over burnout.

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Who knew?

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Who, who knew?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it turns out like for the last like year,

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I've been like, oh fuck, I'm so burnt out.

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I better just like try and do some code on this other project.

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That will get me over my burnout from this other thing.

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And it's just like, yeah, no, it turns out you just need

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to actually like take a week off and go play with your son.

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And that's, that's what you need to do.

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I will be going to play with some dirt under my feet

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for the next week.

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Of touching grass.

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Yeah.

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I think it'll be touching snow.

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I think it's actually been fucking snowing up on that hill for the last week.

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So where are you going?

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So I don't want to say because I don't want people to like.

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I mean, Australia's pretty big, right?

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So you can give like the exact like what three words reference.

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And then if you could also give the specific address.

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The coordinates.

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Coordinates.

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Yes, we could go rob your office while you're away touching dirt.

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That'd be great.

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I'll give you my E-PURB serial number.

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So when I pop it, you can come and fucking save me.

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I don't know what that is when you pop your number.

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You know, you know what an E-PURB?

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Like a PLB, personal locator beacon.

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If you break your leg in the wilderness.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, got it.

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Pop your PLB and they come with the helicopter.

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I really think I'm the wrong person for that.

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Like me having to fly like 30 hours to get to you.

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No, I don't think so.

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He's gonna make it.

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Yeah, actually that was, um, that was an interesting like little segue of, uh,

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investigation into the, the PLBs because did you know that iPhone 14 plug out to, uh,

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to Apple has a built-in satellite two way emergency communication now.

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It is pretty impressive.

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I mean, not the most rugged device, but, uh, I gave it a little testy test,

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went out and pointed it towards the sky and, uh, got a connection in no time.

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I think it'll be very handy.

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It's actually way more functional than the PLB.

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The new iPhone or just a watch?

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You know, the river.

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No, the, the iPhone you, you really, yeah.

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Yeah.

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It works on the, I think it's the, maybe not the Iridium satellites,

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but like one of those types of networks.

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And they have like local emergency services, uh, relays and stuff.

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They got like in Australia, the US, Canada.

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I assume that also requires a subscription, right?

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No, uh, I read somewhere free for the first two years of release, but yeah,

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I don't know if that's going to, if they just keep it free.

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They haven't figured out if they're going to monetize it.

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I think you're what they're going to do with it, but I might, I mean,

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I would think you just, I'm not like the cost can't be ridiculous,

423
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,760
but I don't know in their, in their, in their fucking P and L,

424
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,560
I would think that it would be worthwhile just to put on there for free, right?

425
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,040
Yeah.

426
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:23,360
Yeah.

427
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,520
So the thing is that like to have like what you've got, the in, in reach, um,

428
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,520
has an SOS thing on it, Schiltzi.

429
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,880
It's got the two way SOS, but the, the subscriptions for those in Australia

430
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,760
is quite expensive for that in reach.

431
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,000
It's $35 a month for me.

432
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,320
Yeah.

433
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,440
And if you're not like hiking often, $35 is like a fair bit.

434
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:46,640
Oh yeah.

435
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,680
It's huge.

436
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,960
Be fucking paying out the door every month for something that sits on the shelf.

437
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,240
This is such a Australian slash American thing.

438
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,760
Like in the UK, there's no, most of Europe,

439
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,360
for fuck's sake, there's no wilderness that isn't, you'll be like,

440
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,280
you'll be like, oh God, what happens to me here?

441
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,960
I've only got three G.

442
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,560
Like I probably can't stream the YouTube video.

443
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,440
Oh, you're like, there's no wilderness that's not connected.

444
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:11,600
Yeah.

445
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:11,920
I don't know.

446
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,960
Like surely those apps must be like out of service.

447
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,680
No, I remember back in the day, like back in the day, yeah,

448
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,560
if you went like hiking in the Alps or something, yeah, you,

449
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,080
you would be out of service pretty quick.

450
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,720
No one knows a teenager or something.

451
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,040
I remember doing like some long hikes, you know, mountains.

452
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,760
But now you're just like, yeah, I mean, whoa, I mean, the chain halt,

453
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,560
the first one happened when I was up a mountain.

454
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:42,160
I was literally up a mountain and I got a text from Max, I think,

455
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,480
being like, dude, turn on your data.

456
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,480
Cause I just, I like, I got like a couple of page duty thing,

457
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,040
like cause I had, they, what at that point,

458
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,040
we'd screwed up our notifications or whatever.

459
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,240
So they'd gone off silently.

460
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,800
But for whatever reason, my phone was not on silence.

461
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,720
So then Max texted me, it rang through and I was like, oh,

462
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,320
oh, and I have a bunch of page duty.

463
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,880
Oh, and it was like, yeah, turn on your data.

464
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,800
I was like, get on, get on the train.

465
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,600
What the fuck's going on?

466
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,320
And get on the train.

467
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:12,960
Yeah.

468
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,200
Just like flicked on mobile data and was just like,

469
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,720
I got like 1800 notifications and was like, ah, something's going on.

470
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,160
Okey dokey then.

471
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,000
Looks like my holidays canceled.

472
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,000
The train has gone off the tracks.

473
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,040
Exactly.

474
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,800
The Gino train has gone off the tracks.

475
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,640
It was all very high.

476
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,840
It was high drama.

477
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,960
It was high drama.

478
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,360
It was, yeah, good times.

479
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,960
Now you're just like, you have to just, yeah,

480
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,320
go put a tree branch on an intensity rail line just to feel alive.

481
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,680
You know, after drama like that, you're just like,

482
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,280
I just need to see death and destruction again.

483
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,280
It's actually quite difficult.

484
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,120
How is Max anyway?

485
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,640
Like I haven't seen Max in a long time.

486
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,440
Is he still around?

487
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,560
Maxi.

488
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Max Gino, yeah.

489
00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,760
Yeah.

490
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,040
Is, he's doing all right.

491
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,760
He's doing all right.

492
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:07,520
I mean, everybody involved in Gino who's not totally minted

493
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,400
has gone back to their day job in some respect, I would say.

494
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,240
And that's true of everybody involved in the project.

495
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,160
From the comms down to, you know, like obviously we focus.

496
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Yeah, I still do some stuff from a kind of advisory perspective,

497
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,040
but like, you know, I'm back to contracting and focusing on

498
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,160
needle cast other validator stuff and you know what not.

499
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:38,720
So same for Max and other folks who have other jobs and other responsibilities.

500
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,720
So that's sort of about, you know, working on this and that, but,

501
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,480
you know, nobody's getting paid.

502
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,840
Nobody's been paid for a long time.

503
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:46,640
Right.

504
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,600
We get paid in memes men and abuse from the community.

505
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:52,400
Yeah.

506
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,320
I mean, that's why I don't really engage with the community anymore.

507
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,200
Because I'm like, I've been working on paid for a year as of now.

508
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:06,480
So to be honest, I'm not really open to too much criticism on that.

509
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,520
Because I don't usually like to work for free.

510
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:16,160
I mean, I worked for free for quite some time, continue to do so.

511
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,320
Well, before the before the chain launched, I worked for free for like

512
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:26,000
about nine months or something like that, but that's like, that's a different thing, isn't it?

513
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:29,040
Yeah.

514
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,600
Cosmos, Cosmos now all Cosmos validators work for free, essentially.

515
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:34,960
Yeah.

516
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,000
I mean, I mean, maybe not on the hub.

517
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,720
Look, that is, that is the nature of the beast.

518
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:44,720
And if you're, I don't think like I'm not upset about it.

519
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:50,400
But I do genuinely hope that there are some better times around the corner sometime soonish.

520
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,680
But yes, rather than later would be cool.

521
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,880
As a business, though, we expect this type of thing to happen.

522
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,920
So it's not like, I mean, we all talked about it on the podcast at length when prices weren't

523
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,280
complete garbage that it was a smart idea to sell while these tokens were worth something,

524
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,520
because they might not be worth something in future.

525
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,880
Not that that was financial advice.

526
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,600
I want to clarify, but just, you know, just just opinions.

527
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,400
Obviously.

528
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,200
I wonder how many of us actually sold at that time.

529
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,040
That's my part.

530
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,160
There's a difference between selling and selling as much as you should have sold

531
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:31,360
is what I would, I would answer your question with a ambiguous statement, which

532
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,800
let's put it this way.

533
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,960
I, I at one point in time had millions of dollars worth of Juno that are now worth

534
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,800
not enough to go out to a nice dinner.

535
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,000
Mm-hmm.

536
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,120
Easy come easy go.

537
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,000
There's that.

538
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,440
Easy come easy go.

539
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:46,880
Yes.

540
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,520
But you know, these, these paper dragons that we hold, it's just, you know,

541
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,760
you can't really call that anything until it's sold and fiat in the bank.

542
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,000
Yeah.

543
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:03,760
And if you're like, I don't know, like if you do to some degree need to be responsible

544
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:10,320
for business sake and, and take money off the table to be able to have a sustainable

545
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,120
business practice.

546
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:16,880
But also that I think in some instance, I think it's common sense is it's important

547
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,320
to also show face for the community as well and say, well, we, we are not selling everything

548
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,440
keeping some here around because I want to appear as though I think that this is

549
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,120
you're just saying that because you got a lot of flak for OmniFlex.

550
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:33,520
Did I?

551
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:34,960
I think I did.

552
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:35,600
I thought you did.

553
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,440
I think I did get flak for it, but did not notice it at all.

554
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,440
Like, did where was that on Twitter?

555
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,240
I don't know.

556
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,680
I don't remember, but I remember someone giving you hard time about it and I was like,

557
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:46,160
really?

558
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,880
Like, oh, it was a, a period.

559
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,880
Wait, we can sell OmniFlex?

560
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,240
I completely agree.

561
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,240
You said it was like, I don't know.

562
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:55,840
I bought that by 100%.

563
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,560
So, um, yeah, I mean, we sell our OmniFlex every month.

564
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,920
Well, actually, I don't sell it at the moment because like it's not really,

565
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,240
there's no point, but, um, so my community guy gets his

566
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:09,520
20%.

567
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,480
I think I just restake or, or just, I don't know, leave it in the wallet, whatever.

568
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,520
Um, why are you even creating these taxable events?

569
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:23,040
Just don't, they're not taxable events for me, but you, you need to improve your

570
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,160
situation.

571
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,160
Well, change countries.

572
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,200
Come to Australia.

573
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,200
You can like boys will be boys.

574
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:29,680
Yeah.

575
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,600
Boys will no longer be boys in the UK.

576
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,160
Yeah.

577
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,560
Well, why would I, why would I come to Australia?

578
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,960
It's just hotter with more wife beats.

579
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,400
Can you lose bud?

580
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,200
Oh, what about the drop bears?

581
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,240
If you have drop bears, you have a lot of marsupials, but you don't have like almost

582
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,840
all your trees are fucking Eucalypts.

583
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,960
What's up with that?

584
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,400
They're tasty for kangaroo koalas.

585
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,400
What the fuck, man?

586
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,800
I was driving down a road yesterday with a guy from a council and he's like, that tree's

587
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,280
endangered, that tree's endangered, that tree's endangered.

588
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,800
And I'm like, fuck man.

589
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,480
And they're all gonna die.

590
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,040
Yeah.

591
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,040
Climate change, baby.

592
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:07,920
It's gone.

593
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,680
At the moment, there's a whole bunch of like crazy weather in Europe that people

594
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,520
like scratching their heads about and you're like, fucking climate change.

595
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,560
Come on.

596
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,080
This is the true climate change.

597
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,400
Have you read like the most recent analysis on why this year's been so crazy?

598
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,680
I assume the answer is we're all gonna die.

599
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,200
No, no, no, no, no, no.

600
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,160
I mean, like the cause of this specific year's craziness.

601
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:30,960
Oh, right.

602
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,480
No, I don't know that.

603
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,200
Oh man, this is so interesting.

604
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,200
So here's the current thought on why it's so crazy this year.

605
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:45,520
Shipping containers are now only allowed to put out 0.5% sulfur into the air, whereas

606
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,520
before the regulation was 2.5%.

607
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,000
And this year's the year that actually changed over.

608
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,920
And sulfur, the one thing it does is it reflects energy back out really well.

609
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,720
Back out from the sea.

610
00:38:54,720 --> 00:39:00,080
Which is why the seas are insanely hot right now versus basically anytime in reported history.

611
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,120
Which then of course reflects onto everything else, right?

612
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,160
Absolutely insane.

613
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,240
So it's like one time that like regulations are working and there's this really brutal

614
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:09,680
side effect of everything.

615
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,040
But where is the sulfur coming from?

616
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,000
From the field, from what they're bringing in their fields.

617
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,320
There's a lot of sulfur in marine gasoline or whatever.

618
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,360
So yeah, so okay.

619
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,520
Well, I won't burden the point, but yeah.

620
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,960
So like because they're basically burning crude, they're burning gas.

621
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,200
They're basically burning crude fuel.

622
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,720
Something that was in the fuel would result in sulfur being exhausted.

623
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,200
Oh, because sulfur is in crude oil, isn't it?

624
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,160
Yeah.

625
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,320
And the regulation said that they need to not do that effectively.

626
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,400
So this year was the year it finally came into fruition.

627
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,040
And so now all of that fuel is no longer reflecting heat back out.

628
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,280
And the reason why they went all the way to sulfur is because it leads to like acidic rain,

629
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:57,920
right?

630
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,560
And so they're thinking this would be the, but instead like ocean bubbles are insanely

631
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,120
warm right now.

632
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,840
I am somewhat confused about how they just removed the sulfur.

633
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:09,280
I don't know.

634
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,960
Refraction distillation or whatever probably.

635
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,600
I mean, I do get high grade fuel.

636
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,280
You fractionally distillate, right?

637
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,240
I mean, they basically burn that shit straight out of the hole.

638
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,360
They do.

639
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:19,600
Yeah.

640
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,320
So the regulation came out, I think three years ago.

641
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,920
That's why it only came into effect now because they had like three years to actually enact it.

642
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:28,720
I want to live.

643
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:29,680
They've got like, uh,

644
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,920
I'm sorry, you mean all the converter on,

645
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,880
they put a catalytic converter on the fucking side of their motor that's like the size of a house.

646
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,640
Maybe they had to add some sort of chemical to the fuel itself in order to make sure that

647
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,920
it like oxidizes in such a way that I don't know.

648
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,880
Listen, I'm not a chemicalologist.

649
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,360
Right.

650
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:47,920
That's the thing.

651
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,200
Chemist.

652
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,280
So, uh, I said,

653
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,320
chemicalologist for fine.

654
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,040
Yeah.

655
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,480
Rama's entered the room.

656
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,680
So I was just being touched.

657
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,960
I was just being touched.

658
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,080
So Rama's like,

659
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:58,560
I shall see.

660
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,480
I think you're actually meaning chemist.

661
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,680
Thought is the word that we would use in, uh, in Harlem.

662
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,880
We would use this word.

663
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,480
I don't know if you have this word.

664
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,440
Oh, you've never heard the word.

665
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:07,840
Oh, okay.

666
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,720
Well, my apologies.

667
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:09,680
Well, for the future.

668
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:10,480
Yeah.

669
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,520
So Rama thinks he's missed the news, but little does he know we have.

670
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,960
Peter, you've lost the news.

671
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:25,040
I have actually been looking at this week's news topics and I mean, some of these are a little bit

672
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,200
off, off the wall.

673
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:32,000
So, um, World War two restarts real time.

674
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:32,400
All right.

675
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,440
That's mine.

676
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,160
That's mine.

677
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,040
It's a bit of work.

678
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:35,520
Is it?

679
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,560
It's like, oh, the fuck is this?

680
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:36,720
We'll start.

681
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,160
We'll start with something non-cosmose based.

682
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,320
But it only happens every six or seven years.

683
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,520
So I figured I'd put it in there.

684
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:49,200
But so there's a, there's a Twitter account for, for, uh, folks who are into this type of

685
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,800
shit called World War two real time.

686
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,600
And basically what they do is they play out World War two in real time.

687
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,720
So right now it's September 6, 1939.

688
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,520
And they show exactly what like it's, this was what happened.

689
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,960
This event happened, blah, blah, blah.

690
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,120
And so you basically relive World War two from, I think, I think go from 39 to,

691
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,400
I assume they go to V-Day and a little bit beyond.

692
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,320
So maybe 45, 46.

693
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,560
So literally it's like seven years of real time life following Twitter while the war

694
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,440
plays out.

695
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,680
And it's, I think this is the third restart.

696
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,080
I remember sketching it the first time and then last time I blew it off.

697
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,360
And so now I'm back in it.

698
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,240
So should we provide a weekly update as to what's going on in the world?

699
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:29,200
No, we don't need to.

700
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,920
Right now Poland's getting his ass kicked is what's going on in Poland.

701
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,320
Poland is being bombed by Luftwaffe planes.

702
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,680
I don't think you, I don't think you want to.

703
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,920
Is, is probably even in the war at this point.

704
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,000
Cause it's, it's not, I think it's so early.

705
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,840
Oh no, second, second, second of September, 1939.

706
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,240
That's right.

707
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:46,480
Yeah.

708
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:46,720
Yeah.

709
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:47,280
So that's right.

710
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:47,920
So it just started.

711
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,280
Defying September already.

712
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Okay.

713
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,160
Yeah.

714
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:50,400
Yeah.

715
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,040
So that's right.

716
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,680
That's the right date.

717
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:51,840
Yeah.

718
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,320
Cause I think that's, I think that event is what caught my attention.

719
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,440
That's why I added it in sheet.

720
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,200
And no reason I added it is because it only starts like literally, I think this is the

721
00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:59,760
third time.

722
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,280
So it happens every six years or I think it's, I forget when they actually ended

723
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,520
it earlier this year and it starts over.

724
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,800
So I don't know, but Twitter hasn't been around for 14 years, hasn't it?

725
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:09,680
I guess it has.

726
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:09,840
Yeah.

727
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:10,800
It's been around for a long time.

728
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,440
Like 2007 or something.

729
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:13,680
Yeah.

730
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,000
So that must be, I think I caught it earlier than that happened.

731
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,880
And then yeah.

732
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,480
So anyway, it's a really cool account because they have the tons of images and

733
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,120
they, whatever videos they find and they have like, like, like the richness keeps

734
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:25,760
growing, right?

735
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,680
As they find, as they bring more materials in.

736
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,880
So it's pretty interesting though.

737
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,040
I mean, exciting to find out who wins, of course.

738
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:31,200
Yeah.

739
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,400
You have to wait.

740
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:32,720
Yeah.

741
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,680
You have to wait a little while, but you know, it's like a long TV series.

742
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,160
Yeah.

743
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:36,480
Yeah.

744
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,440
So I mean, you could A, wait, or B, just scroll back to the previous message.

745
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,720
What do you mean?

746
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:43,520
You're not very fun.

747
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:44,400
Seven years ago?

748
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,040
Yeah, you could.

749
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:45,440
Yeah.

750
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,320
No, like if it's just restarted, like it literally just scroll back to the last

751
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:51,280
previous message.

752
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,000
It's called a war.

753
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,440
Oh, the allies are in the war from the beginning.

754
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:53,520
Yeah.

755
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,080
No, it's interesting to actually see how it works.

756
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,400
I mean, Mel, to be fair, I think you could probably infer or, you know,

757
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,000
intuit what happened at the end of the war.

758
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:04,560
I don't watch news.

759
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,640
Because we're not speaking German.

760
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,280
I mean, I don't feel like German would have been.

761
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,360
Well, Japanese choice anyway.

762
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,880
To be fair, in this region, we would have all been talking Japanese.

763
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Yeah.

764
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,520
Are you saying you don't know Nihongo?

765
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,680
I never would have been able to do it.

766
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:20,720
They would have shot me.

767
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:21,360
Like, listen, I can't.

768
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:21,840
Ni ha.

769
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,080
It's not happening.

770
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,680
So here's also related to the news section.

771
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,320
Have you seen or else noticed that Ramra has gotten especially saucy on Twitter lately?

772
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:38,320
Like, there's been a lot of sarcasm and just I've really enjoyed Ramra's comments over the last,

773
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,680
I don't know, a couple of weeks.

774
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:46,400
He's had to spend additional time in the space now that he's like researching the news.

775
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,600
And I think it's getting to him.

776
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,520
He's like starting to lose his marbles.

777
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:50,160
Yeah.

778
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,640
The bear is catching up even to the best of us, right?

779
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,440
The best of us and the worst of us.

780
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:57,680
So judged.

781
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,160
Which ones are actually.

782
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,520
You know, the news seems to be especially related to like Twitter drama.

783
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,440
Well, I think the Cosmos news and Twitter drama often largely inseparable, right?

784
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:11,920
Yeah.

785
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,520
That's that's the reality.

786
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,880
It's not a lot of software.

787
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:22,160
There's some home software built, but mainly there's a good solid shitshow foundation of drama upon

788
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,880
which we are building a giant edifice of garbage.

789
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:32,720
Some of these links sort of go to places that is like Twitter is giving me health checks on the way

790
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,880
Are you sure you want to watch this?

791
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,360
You seem to have specifically blocked these people.

792
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,880
Are you sure you want to read this potentially?

793
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,800
That would be related to Jacob then.

794
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,800
Look, anyone who's noisy sort of gets a block.

795
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,880
I never used to block anyone, right?

796
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,640
So I was very like.

797
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,080
And then you encounter.

798
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:58,080
Everyone should have their like voice and, you know, if I don't want to be in like a echo chamber,

799
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,360
I should hear everyone's voice.

800
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:06,960
But then it sort of became evident that the only voices I was hearing are the ones I fucking hate.

801
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,440
So I just started blocking people.

802
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,840
Well, this is a common problem, isn't it?

803
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,040
With this is why you have safe spaces, right?

804
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,480
This is like literally the reason is because when you all other things being equal,

805
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:30,480
if you have a perfectly flat, like flat space to say things, the fucking loud dipshits take up all of the air in the room.

806
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,480
Ironically, I'm currently talking.

807
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,480
I was waiting to speak to tell you the same thing.

808
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,480
You said it's like I actually called that paper in my previous life.

809
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,480
I'm actually distinct.

810
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,480
I actually doctor you, sir.

811
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,480
Professor you said, but professor sir to my friend.

812
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:54,480
It funded the Reino Foundation at MIT.

813
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,480
You know, these the whole this whole wing, you know, and you guys listen to this.

814
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,480
So let's well, I mean, let's mention it.

815
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:10,480
So Jacob has and let's be clear, this podcast is not about bashing anyone.

816
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,480
So I'm just reading the news here.

817
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,480
So it's a promise fault.

818
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,480
So I didn't come up with this.

819
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,480
News I'm just reading it.

820
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,480
The world produced.

821
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,480
I just work here.

822
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,480
I'm just the intern.

823
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:32,480
So anyway, from what I can like infer from this, the ICF is taking applications.

824
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:40,480
So the the interchain foundation is taking applications for council members, i.e. the board, I guess.

825
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,480
That's what I'm inferring from this.

826
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:50,480
So some of the applications for this role is one of them is Jacob and a couple of his customers have also put in who's Jacob.

827
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,480
Who are you talking about?

828
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,480
Yeah, I don't know.

829
00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:04,480
So some some others that are customers of notional have also put in to be on the council.

830
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:16,480
I mean, my only opinion on this is that people who are funded by Adam in some way probably shouldn't be sitting on any boards to do with anything to do with that funding.

831
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:22,480
I'm not sure if they're directly related, but if it is the case, they probably shouldn't be applying for that position.

832
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,480
If not, you know, go for it, I suppose.

833
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,480
I tend to agree.

834
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:36,480
I tend to agree and I think the ICF foundation council is kind of a difficult thing because I don't know, there's like there's like an inherent bias to it.

835
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,480
People that they're going to be applying to are going to be applying because they want something out of it, right?

836
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:48,480
And so if they're applying and they want something out of it, like it feels like there should be some level of oversight over.

837
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,480
So I'll give you the perfect analogy, sorry to cut you off.

838
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,480
To me, this feels like it could and I'm not I'm not shitting on anyone's integrity.

839
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:07,480
I'm saying that this is like what happens with positions of power that have an economic incentive, right?

840
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:16,480
So imagine your local council where the mayor lives on a dirt road but has 100 meters of asphalt out the front of his driveway.

841
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,480
I did not understand that analogy.

842
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,480
What the hell are you saying?

843
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,480
That analogy is so fucking king nodes. I've never heard that.

844
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:30,480
It has council references, geotechnical references and asphalt.

845
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,480
Just listen, listen again and think about it a little bit, right?

846
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:41,480
Okay, this this time really related to the best doctor phrase got it because he's a fucking doctor.

847
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:50,480
So, okay, so your local mayor lives on a dirt road with 100 meters of asphalt out the front.

848
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:57,480
The only asphalt that's on the road because he doesn't want dust and he's the fucking mayor.

849
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:04,480
Okay, I thought I followed and then you're adding that comment totally threw me off again.

850
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,480
Okay, put it this way.

851
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:16,480
If that same resident was not the mayor, do you think he would have asphalt out the front of his house when everybody else on that road doesn't?

852
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,480
Thank you.

853
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:23,480
I'm starting like my like Model T engine that steam power to starting to go a little bit now.

854
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,480
I'm following now.

855
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:32,480
I mean, I felt like it was completely fucking obvious, but did the reason it's probably obvious to me is because it happened a lot over here.

856
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,480
No shit.

857
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,480
Good.

858
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,480
You want to know who was once a mayor of that town, drive around the dirt roads and look for the seal.

859
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,480
It's where these you pronounce asphalt different.

860
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:52,480
I know a place where yeah, essentially the mayor lives near a park and then the park just got a whole bunch of new trees and like it's really hard to get new trees.

861
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,480
I just spent a long time getting new trees on the road that I live on.

862
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,480
If you were the mayor, you would have had the music.

863
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:06,480
Yeah, exactly. You go like that turns out all you need to do is be essentially need a lot to do.

864
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,480
Forget about it.

865
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,480
Forget about it.

866
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:16,480
So wait, you expand on that more because so I volunteer with a group called friends of trees and they'll just come out and start planting trees on like the median bits.

867
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:25,480
So like what are you talking about that you had to get required like there's a lot of rules you can't just so in the UK, typically everything.

868
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:31,480
So okay, fun fact, let's do a fun fact about freehold and leasehold property in the United Kingdom.

869
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:41,480
You typically own everything under your house or any land you own your own it all the way down so you can dig out a massive missile bunker under your own house.

870
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,480
Nobody fucking stop you.

871
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:49,480
You also quite often what's called the mineral and sporting rights, which is exactly what you think it is.

872
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,480
You find a coal seam under your house you sorted back in the day, I suppose.

873
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,480
Anyway, but as soon as you move off your property, it's always owned.

874
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,480
Obviously it's owned by somebody.

875
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,480
Everything in the UK is owned by somebody, but very little of it will be the government government.

876
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,480
Most of it will be like the council.

877
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:17,480
So whatever local authority or regional authority, like you step up through the app in geo layers will own like the sidewalk or whatever.

878
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,480
And our roads are super big, pretty small on the whole.

879
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,480
So like there's no median.

880
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,480
That's not really a thing except on motorways.

881
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:34,480
So the amount of space that's not specifically owned by somebody and very, very small and say like yeah, putting trees on your road, you can't.

882
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,480
The roads are not your property.

883
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:44,480
Like none of it unless it was a private road in which case like null like in null situation with the mayor.

884
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:52,480
If you're on a private road, your road wouldn't be tarmac right because you would be private and not the council's responsibility and so it wouldn't be a road.

885
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,480
It would just be like a dirt track in that situation.

886
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,480
If you are a group of residents owned it, obviously you do have a fucking one.

887
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,480
So not very complicated.

888
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,480
Okay.

889
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,480
All right, I'm picking up what you're putting down.

890
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:04,480
I've never.

891
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,480
This is relevant to me because I'm the middle of like replacing three trees and putting in two oaks and four more trees.

892
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:15,480
So as you guys like is your problem that like you want to put them in on the road?

893
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,480
I assume like the city where you are like the city owns the road right on the sidewalk.

894
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:26,480
Yeah, so the area between the sidewalk and the road, there's like, oh six feet or so there.

895
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,480
And the problem is I have two trees that are there, but they're dead.

896
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:35,480
So I have to like petition the city to remove them because they're like falling apart every year.

897
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,480
So here's what you can do instead of that, you can rip them out and put in a new tree immediately.

898
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,480
And then they just don't care.

899
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,480
So that's what I'm doing, but I'm also going to put in a couple more trees and oaks and other stuff.

900
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,480
I mean, that makes sense.

901
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:56,480
I mean, it's kind of also like, I guess that there was a our place where this is true, where there are very wide sidewalks and paths or whatever.

902
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,480
And there will be a gap and then a road.

903
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:05,480
But less common again, because all our roads and everything are much more smaller.

904
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:14,480
Where you see that median like that, you typically already have trees because it would have been planted in like the 20s or the 30s when they were very big on that sort of thing.

905
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:20,480
Where you see like a row of like hawthorns or not hawthorns, sycamores, sycamores or horse chestnut trees.

906
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,480
So here's the problem with that though.

907
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,480
That's considering people as people, not cars as people.

908
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,480
And so cars don't need that shade for walking.

909
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,480
So in the US, you never encounter that where you have like trees.

910
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:51,480
Yes, quite often the reason it's specifically from that period, as I understand it, is because what would have been there, but has since potentially disappeared is quite often a bike path because pre cars, a lot of people used bikes to get to work in like 20s and 30s and whatever.

911
00:54:51,480 --> 00:55:01,480
So they, I think that's why they did it, you see it quite a lot on those kind of wider boulevards that still exist, but they're obviously much older roads or whatever.

912
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:13,480
I know a guy who's very into this stuff and you can actually walk down the street and he'll go like, ah, that street used to have a separate path at some point because of the shape of the road or the width of it or whatever, he can just tell.

913
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:22,480
And he tends to be right if you look these things up. So I think that I think there must have been a pretty expansive network of them at some point and then maybe you can tell by the trees.

914
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:31,480
That's pretty cool. I think within American society, I'm considered something of a radical when it comes to public infrastructure.

915
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,480
Because you want it to exist at all.

916
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:41,480
Well, there's that. Yeah. Well, I mean, the fact that like cars have more rights than people do, that just bugs the hell out of me.

917
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:56,480
Yeah, we're we're going through that. There's a lot of that happening here at the moment because like most even if you like whatever town you live in, right, you probably can pretty much pretty much walk to all the stuff that's near to you because again,

918
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,480
everything was kind of most stuff was built pre car.

919
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:14,480
Like the schools and everything, the layout of most towns assumes that you work within walking distance or cycling distance or maybe public infrastructure like trains and stuff obviously have existed for donkey's years, hundreds of years.

920
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,480
But it's all kind of at that scale.

921
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:25,480
Like, and now we're kind of going like, oh, maybe we should use cars less and people like I couldn't possibly get anywhere without a car and you're like, what the fuck do you think people did in the 1910s and 1920s, dude?

922
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:32,480
Like, like, like, look at look at the age of every house on the street you live on. They're all from the 1910s.

923
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:41,480
Your argument is dog shit. Like it's just the whole place. I don't know. There's a lot. It's a very like, yeah, it's a very politicized issue at the moment, but

924
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,480
they're all dead from the plague, right? So it doesn't really, really.

925
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:50,480
Dead from that. That World War Two, actually, I heard. But luckily, you can follow along with it on Twitter.

926
00:56:50,480 --> 00:57:01,480
Twitter.com for the real time. W W two. And if you wanted to build a bomb shelter under your house, but honestly, you probably already have a bomb shelter under your house. Is it true?

927
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,480
If I was a million, I probably build one just for the shit. It's a giggle.

928
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,480
There's a good, there's a good YouTube channel, the guy building that.

929
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,480
How far into one of those ones in Switzerland?

930
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,480
No.

931
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,480
Oh, well, those are cool. I've been in one of those.

932
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,480
Yeah, they're really, really cool. And I don't know.

933
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:24,480
It's maybe a Swiss person would know the exact thing about this, but they just had a period where I think like, like every town or village or a certain size had to provide a bomb shelter.

934
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:31,480
Big enough for the town. They just had, and now they're all just like these little quirky museums, but I think they're still kept up.

935
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:38,480
A buddy of mine, he owns a house in Zurich and he had me over for a raclette one time and he's like, Hey, do you want to see my bomb shelter?

936
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,480
And I was like, what are you talking about?

937
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,480
Riclette's bomb shelter. What an ideal evening.

938
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,480
I know it was though.

939
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:59,480
I wonder how far into the recounting of the wars that time when everyone took their little boat over to Europe and collected people off the beach.

940
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,480
Dunkirk.

941
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,480
Dunkirk.

942
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,480
That was in 1940.

943
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:06,480
1940, no.

944
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,480
What a good, good away.

945
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,480
A good year for that one.

946
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,480
So the British expeditionary force retreated from France. So I think it was 1940, but I could be.

947
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:20,480
Regarding the trees in Australia, you just plant a fucking tree. You want a tree, you plant a tree. Works like that.

948
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,480
I mean, you go by the tree, then you plant the fucking tree.

949
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,480
I've been harvesting acorns in the local neighborhood so I can plant oaks.

950
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,480
You know what? It's actually harder to get than you'd think because the squirrels are little bastards.

951
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,480
Oh, they're front running you.

952
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,480
They are. And you ever seen squirrels go for acorns? They'll do like kickflips and stuff when they find them.

953
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,480
They'll like just help around.

954
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:41,480
Oh, yeah?

955
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:42,480
Yeah.

956
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:43,480
It's really exciting.

957
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,480
I watched them outside my window as they grab acorns and I'm like, dang, that might have been the one that grows.

958
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,480
I saw a visual of you fighting with a fucking squirrel on the street.

959
00:58:51,480 --> 00:59:02,480
I feel like that's the kind of behavior certain individuals would undertake once receiving a foundation delegation on that.

960
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,480
All right. Back to the news. What do we got?

961
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,480
Unlock to the delegation.

962
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:20,480
Yeah. So actually, so, I mean, while you were talking about the trees, I went and researched this neutron liquidity mining prop.

963
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,480
Didn't get the whole neutron part of it.

964
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:29,480
And also, I feel like the particular statement in here requires like some prior knowledge of prop 52.

965
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,480
I mean, I'm not an atom guy, so I don't really know what prop 52 is.

966
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,480
Unless some of you guys know what prop 52 is, I guess I could click on it.

967
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,480
Oh, wait. Oh, I had. Sorry.

968
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,480
The one I just read was prop 52.

969
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:51,480
Okay. So I guess the neutron looking to app the community pool for some like white tie.

970
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:56,480
Yeah, that's a draft proposal right now from binary builders, I believe.

971
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:01,480
Just published a detailed draft proposal on how to kickstart targeted liquid.

972
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,480
I really don't like incentivize liquidity.

973
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,480
If that's what this is.

974
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,480
But is this like actually just putting community funds into the pool?

975
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,480
Or is this.

976
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:14,480
That was my read.

977
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,480
My read was not that it was incentivize, but that they wanted to make liquidity deeper.

978
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,480
How is that liquidity mining?

979
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,480
I liquidity mining is when you incentivize liquidity.

980
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:32,480
In any case, look, let's let's have an opinion on my very limited knowledge of this subject.

981
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:39,480
I think it is in the interest of neutron and atom to probably make something like that happen.

982
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,480
If it is using both of their tokens.

983
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,480
But here's the thing, right?

984
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:54,480
In terms of liquidity, I think the best pair that you could deepen is a stable coin atom pair,

985
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,480
not a shit coin atom pair.

986
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,480
So that's part of the proposal as I remember it.

987
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,480
It's been.

988
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:10,480
I'm not going to try to claim to be an expert of it, but my understanding was there is a big aspect of it where there's kind of two sides to this proposal.

989
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,480
One is like using all this liquidity and spread it across neutron as the primary pair.

990
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:20,480
And the competing side is using Adam as the competing pair.

991
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,480
The problem is you want Adam to retain value, right?

992
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:33,480
So if you have Adam as the core pair, then it has a better chance of keeping value with the main pool being USDC to Adam.

993
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:39,480
Yeah, if you want, I mean, it's you want people to keep their liquidity in there.

994
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:49,480
So if you if you have a stable coin pool, well, well, the problem is using Adam as the primary pair means that neutron is being used as the primary pair.

995
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,480
So what value are you getting out of using neutron?

996
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,480
I think I think that's kind of the two sides.

997
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,480
I think neutron should not even have a coin.

998
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,480
I think they should just use Adam.

999
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:04,480
Well, considering validators aren't getting any neutron for validating the chain, I would agree.

1000
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,480
Yeah, sounds like right.

1001
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:17,480
Well, I mean, if you're so the point of this thing to the best of my knowledge and look, I don't I can't reiterate enough how much I don't have anything to do with Adam.

1002
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:25,480
And so all of these like big issues about Adam are kind of like foreign to my sphere.

1003
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,480
But with the whole, you know, shared security thing, right?

1004
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:45,480
This neutron was, to my knowledge, meant to be a place where they could now have smart contracts deeply associated with the Adam chain through shared security as part of the economic zone, right?

1005
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:56,480
Rather than putting wasm or cosm wasm straight on to Adam, which for whatever reason, people seem to be just definitely against.

1006
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:10,480
But I think in the spirit of that, like, maybe it's worth considering using the base to nom for these chains that are providing something that people don't want to be directly on Adam.

1007
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:18,480
Maybe they consider using the base to nom as Adam, which would more deeply align them together.

1008
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,480
That's my tick as well.

1009
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:35,480
One thing I'd also add is, if I'm remembering correctly, the original reason why the cosmos hub was considered the cosmos hub, rather than just like the cosmos or Gaia, since that's the Damon name is all IBC was supposed to flow through it, right?

1010
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:42,480
And if all IBC is flowing through it, then inherently it'll have a lot of transactions, a lot of usage, and therefore Adam will have a lot of value.

1011
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:48,480
That, of course, was kind of overtaken by osmosis, where now osmosis is kind of that hub, right?

1012
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,480
And so it's kind of lost that story of utilization.

1013
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:57,480
And these kinds of drafts and proposals are a way to reclaim that.

1014
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:15,480
Like, USDC or Noble becoming a Adam economic zone chain means that there will be more value coming through the Adam economic zone, become USDC, become Noble, because all USDC will have to go through that.

1015
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:22,480
There are actually some really interesting ways that this is being circumvented, like Penumbra is doing some cool work to get around like.

1016
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:23,480
Penumbra.

1017
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,480
What about Penumbra?

1018
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,480
So Penumbra, so they can backtrack IBC channels.

1019
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:37,480
So if you have a bit con, I say that came from osmosis versus bit con that came from the bit kind of chain, they can retro send it.

1020
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,480
Like that's one of the functionalities that they have.

1021
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:50,480
So there's other ways of handling this, but the idea is that like if you have a really now, where it will backtrack through the chain, it's meant to go through.

1022
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:51,480
Penumbra has that.

1023
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:52,480
But as far as I'm aware, nothing else does.

1024
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:53,480
Path on one.

1025
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:54,480
Thank you, Rama.

1026
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:55,480
Yeah.

1027
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,480
Because I mean, you can.

1028
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:05,480
So the thing is like with IBC, if people don't 100% know what you're, you're talking about.

1029
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:23,480
If you, so from the originating chain, their native Denom, right, say Juno, if you send it to Osmo, where a lot of, you know, the tokens flow in and out of Osmo, then it will receive a Denom.

1030
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:28,480
That is an IBC Denom IBC slash some big hashed number.

1031
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,480
And that's the Denom on osmosis, right?

1032
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:46,480
But if you then create a new channel between osmosis and say Adam and send that same IBC Denom now that originated at Juno to Adam, it will get a new IBC Denom.

1033
01:05:46,480 --> 01:06:00,480
And as that happens and it makes more hops, then you end up with a situation that there's just all these IBC Denoms randomly on chains that no one know what they are.

1034
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:27,480
And the way that interfaces work, such as osmosis is they, they have a list on the back end for their interface and it actually just equates an originating chain to the IBC Denom for the sake of displaying the original Denom's name like JUNO for Juno, rather than IBC forward slash a big fucking number that you don't know what it is.

1035
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:32,480
And MintScan do the same thing just to make it more readable.

1036
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,480
But if you get all these random Denoms floating around like no one's going to be able to track that.

1037
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:48,480
So the idea was that you would send it, for example, on the example I was using from osmosis back to Juno and then from Juno to Adam.

1038
01:06:48,480 --> 01:07:04,480
So all the in flowing and out flowing Juno always originates on a channel from the Juno chain and then thus between those two chains, there's always only one Denom, one IBC Denom on the receiving chain.

1039
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,480
To add just a little bit more to that.

1040
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:23,480
The idea originally was if let's say you wanted to trade you had Juno on Juno and you wanted to trade it on osmosis. The original vision of cosmos was if you want to make that trade you would go from Juno to Cosmos Hub to osmosis because Cosmos was was the hub.

1041
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,480
That was the original vision.

1042
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:37,480
And so instead it's become that every chain itself interacts with every individual chain, which as a relayer can be really annoying, but I can see how all transactions going through a single hub would be horrible.

1043
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,480
Let's say Adam Halt suddenly every chain is reliant on it, right?

1044
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:48,480
And now suddenly nobody can make a transfer because it's not channeling through Cosmos or Adam anymore through the Cosmos Hub.

1045
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:55,480
I mean, that's the decentralization most networks seem to aspire to at the moment, but thank goodness we went a different way.

1046
01:07:55,480 --> 01:08:04,480
So correct me if I'm wrong, Shilty, because I'm not hugely knowledgeable on the IBC stuff.

1047
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:13,480
But there is also like, is the path not embedded in there somewhere? Like how to unwind it back to the originating chain?

1048
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:19,480
It can in a sense. So the way that the so you you said like IBC slash hash, right?

1049
01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:22,480
So IBC slash like that's just that's just predefined.

1050
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:35,480
The hash bit is I believe the originating chain plus the destination chain plus some number and then it's a it's a it's a by 64 message or something.

1051
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:37,480
Is it the hash?

1052
01:08:37,480 --> 01:08:44,480
Yes. And then you can roll it back, but you don't want to roll it back. You need to like do calculations to know all those additional things.

1053
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:49,480
Exactly. Yeah, it's possible, but it's computationally heavy.

1054
01:08:49,480 --> 01:08:54,480
But the point is that it is a it's a tree structure, isn't it?

1055
01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:58,480
And I guess it's infinite depth.

1056
01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:02,480
Yeah. I mean, as more chains add on, it's it just keeps expanding more and more.

1057
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:10,480
It's just one more because one contains not only assault, but also the intermediate chains.

1058
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:12,480
So there's just infinite.

1059
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:18,480
But yes, the previous chain and the previous branch is embedded in that base 64 message.

1060
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:19,480
Yes.

1061
01:09:19,480 --> 01:09:22,480
And then you don't want that and unwind that and unwind that.

1062
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:31,480
Yeah. But I guess the thing is, and there's probably some obvious computer science solution for this, which I'm missing, but you're essentially like that's a tree.

1063
01:09:31,480 --> 01:09:40,480
You only need a hash table to actually identify what any given thing in the tree is to then denote equality via metadata, right?

1064
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:48,480
Which is why the only person that's attempted this is Henry from Penumbra, because he's like he's gigabrand enough that he can actually solve it.

1065
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:53,480
Whereas me, I'm like, no, that's unsolvable as far as I'm concerned.

1066
01:09:53,480 --> 01:10:10,480
I mean, maybe, yeah, I mean, it would be interesting to know if the solution is, oh, yeah, you just you just carry around a hash table with you, or whether it's like, oh, yes, it's a tree, but it's actually a binary tree in this particular way, which means that you can do this and this and you'll be like, whoa.

1067
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:15,480
So it's actually, it is more simple and more complicated than that.

1068
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:19,480
So he's actually going to implement it through the chain registry through the asset list.

1069
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:25,480
So he and I had a meeting a couple of months ago talking about how he's going to implement and how it will reflect in the chain registry.

1070
01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:32,480
So like there's some really fascinating way he's rolling it back that doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm not a computer scientist.

1071
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:36,480
It would be interesting to know how that works. It'd be really interesting.

1072
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:45,480
So just a fun side note, whenever I watch anything that has Henry in it, I'm too dumb to understand it.

1073
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:50,480
So I'm at this point just watching it for the sound of his voice.

1074
01:10:50,480 --> 01:11:07,480
So in other news, I'm not sure if this is like an official year thing, but Rip Wind 2022 to 2023 seems like not much going on over in that neck of the woods.

1075
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:17,480
I think in theory, there is still some development happening, but I think almost all the team has, I think the team that weren't the core team, the devs have been let go.

1076
01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:22,480
And I think the devs have gone on to other things because it's not making them any money.

1077
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:23,480
What do you say Rip?

1078
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:26,480
I mean, that's really what it comes down to in it.

1079
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:34,480
Unless like, unless you're running a charity, you know, if you're not making some revenue out of something, it's hard to maintain it.

1080
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:37,480
So W Y and D, you mean the wind?

1081
01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:40,480
Yeah, winds, not the breeze has disappeared recently.

1082
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:42,480
We said Rip Wind. I was trying to figure out what the hell you're talking about.

1083
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:44,480
So Rest in Peace Wind. Is that what you're saying?

1084
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:45,480
Yeah.

1085
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:47,480
Not do a fart.

1086
01:11:47,480 --> 01:11:53,480
Not a reference to the spinal tap follow up a mighty wind.

1087
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:54,480
No.

1088
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:57,480
So that is development stuff now?

1089
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:03,480
So that's other pools still existing and is there a cash in there and everything? Who knows?

1090
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:09,480
The UIs kind of semi-non-functional. So I think there are bugs in it and stuff doesn't work.

1091
01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:17,480
Well, the recent upgrade I think has introduced bugs because of some changes in the calls.

1092
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:20,480
I'm not sure if this is Ramaz Gang.

1093
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:32,480
Ramaz Gang, I'm seeing the chat because he provided titles which you're not reading now again, although we didn't note on your performance review last week that you need to read the fucking titles.

1094
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:45,480
So for those listening, the title for that previous news was Gone with the Wind, WYND, a short story of two year lockups.

1095
01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:47,480
Was it over before it began?

1096
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:52,480
Let's bring it a lot punchier than your introduction to it.

1097
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:57,480
My favorite one is for sure the Noble announcement one. That's a great title.

1098
01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:14,480
So we'll go on to the next one in the list, which says, Soy-Lana announced Visa will use their chain when it's online to settle USDC payments.

1099
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:18,480
So punchy little stab right in the middle of that one.

1100
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:23,480
So I haven't read the Twitter link then, but it sounds pretty self-explanatory. We're running out of time.

1101
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:30,480
OK, so Shilty, you've seen as though you have love for, would you like to do the Noble announcement one?

1102
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:39,480
Noble announces for the 15th time this year that Circle will deploy Native USDC and Osmosis. Still no date though.

1103
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:47,480
I think that's a hilarious title because yeah, it's like monthly, USDC is coming to the cosmos.

1104
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:49,480
And everyone's like, hooray!

1105
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:51,480
We need it for now.

1106
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:56,480
We literally fucking need it for our doubt. We're trying to make t-shirts. We're dying here.

1107
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:01,480
So it kind of like, it evades me why it can be taking so long.

1108
01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:08,480
Like USDT just did it overnight. They're like, all right, fuck it, we'll use carbon. Here you go. Here's USDT.

1109
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:14,480
Yeah, I tend to agree. Maybe it has to do with the Redshift lawyer from like 2021.

1110
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:19,480
You know what? That's probably a too far reference. Remember Redshift? I think it was that validator where 100%

1111
01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:21,480
commission was done.

1112
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:23,480
Lots of drama.

1113
01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:25,480
Not sure they do anything.

1114
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:29,480
I don't know. I think it's just like a lawyer and retainer, right? Isn't that the deal?

1115
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:34,480
I mean, those validates can't be making much right now.

1116
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:37,480
So, does anyone get the last one?

1117
01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:39,480
I don't, no.

1118
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:41,480
I've got two things to add though.

1119
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:43,480
It doesn't seem like a properly formed sentence.

1120
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:45,480
Yeah, I can.

1121
01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:48,480
I'm not paying for that one.

1122
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:55,480
So one thing that wasn't mentioned is their wormhole assets now coming to osmosis and for the cosmos as a whole.

1123
01:14:55,480 --> 01:15:00,480
So like Aptos, Sway, I think Polygon are all coming through the wormhole bridge.

1124
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:02,480
The wormhole bridge is pretty cool.

1125
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:07,480
The relay stuff was kind of funky, but I'm not going to touch on that at all.

1126
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:09,480
And Say uses it as well.

1127
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:12,480
Say uses, well, yep, absolutely.

1128
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:15,480
What's interesting about that is the proposals on osmosis, right?

1129
01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:20,480
So osmosis has a proposal to supercharge the liquidity.

1130
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:23,480
And I don't know.

1131
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:28,480
My take on it is it's like we're adding more risk in my view.

1132
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,480
And I'm not talking about a wormhole.

1133
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:35,480
As far as I'm aware, wormhole hasn't had any exploits, but bridges are difficult, right?

1134
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:39,480
If I'm invoking my inner block pain, bridges are difficult.

1135
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:41,480
Everyone would agree with that.

1136
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:46,480
And so there's discussion right now around aggregating all assets.

1137
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:52,480
So if assets come in from Ethereum to like say USD comes in from wormhole, axlar and gravity bridge,

1138
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,480
osmosis might potentially aggregate them.

1139
01:15:54,480 --> 01:16:00,480
And so if you pull one out, like you trade for it, you'll be trading for one of the three and you don't know which.

1140
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:03,480
To me, that scares the hell out of me, right?

1141
01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:07,480
If one is exploited, does that then inherently reduce the value of that entire pool?

1142
01:16:07,480 --> 01:16:08,480
I don't know.

1143
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:12,480
That's a new thing coming right now where wormhole, because wormholes come,

1144
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:15,480
or wormholes joining the cosmos bridges.

1145
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:16,480
Again, nothing gets wormhole.

1146
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:23,480
Just the idea of these additional pools, these additional conversations around aggregating all assets.

1147
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:25,480
That gives me...

1148
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:28,480
It would be super interesting to implement a bridge that wasn't a bridge,

1149
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,480
but was actually like...

1150
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:34,480
And obviously I have this in my head because PhD I'm going to go do.

1151
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:44,480
But implement a bridge is a bearer asset because then you bridge some assets into an ecosystem.

1152
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:48,480
I mean, just essentially stores it would...

1153
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,480
Because there is not just like there's a number saying,

1154
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:56,480
I have 100 million USDC because that's not how bearer assets work.

1155
01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:57,480
Can I have some?

1156
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:59,480
Can you expand on a bearer asset?

1157
01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:00,480
What does that mean?

1158
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:08,480
You know, like the blind proof type stuff, so you only ever prove that you are the cryptographic...

1159
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:12,480
Cryptographically, the counterparty that moved into that place in the first place.

1160
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:16,480
So in this context, the bridge is actually like...

1161
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:18,480
It kind of squinted it.

1162
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:21,480
It's not that different from actually saying, I paid somebody.

1163
01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:22,480
How can you prove it?

1164
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:25,480
Well, the payment, you've obviously signed that transaction.

1165
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:30,480
When the bear, when the eventual recipient goes to claim it, they obviously go,

1166
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,480
I'm claiming that this is in fact, I'm proving this is in fact my mind now.

1167
01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:35,480
And it's like, oh, no, yeah, that is yours now.

1168
01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:38,480
In the same way that it's like this is now in a new place,

1169
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:43,480
but the owner is still cryptographically able to then do something with it there.

1170
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:48,480
The asset doesn't actually exist until you then pick it up on the other side of the bridge and go,

1171
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:51,480
I have this thing, and then you would just move it.

1172
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:53,480
It would not be a thing on that bridge anymore.

1173
01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:57,480
It's not relevant to that bridge if you treat it more like cash,

1174
01:17:57,480 --> 01:18:05,480
because there's never an incremental counter saying, hey, I have this many tokens coming into this ecosystem from this place

1175
01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:07,480
with that chain of provenance.

1176
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:08,480
It doesn't fucking matter.

1177
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:13,480
You either cryptographically have five squiggly, wiggly USDC or whatever, or you don't.

1178
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:18,480
And then when you go and use them, you're just passing on the bearer,

1179
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,480
the cryptographic proof that you are the bearer of that thing.

1180
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:23,480
And then when you want to take it back out of that ecosystem,

1181
01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:25,480
you bring it back to the bridge and then you recycle it.

1182
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:27,480
You say, I'm moving it.

1183
01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:29,480
I want the right to move it out.

1184
01:18:29,480 --> 01:18:31,480
You sign that transaction, it goes to the bridge.

1185
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:32,480
The bridge goes, cool.

1186
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:33,480
I have a proof.

1187
01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:34,480
You've told me you have these.

1188
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:35,480
You do have these.

1189
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:36,480
Cool.

1190
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,480
And then on the other side of that bridge, the other counterparty,

1191
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:41,480
you then just essentially do the same flip side where you mint them.

1192
01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:45,480
You say, I've handed you some over there cryptographically.

1193
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:47,480
You don't even need to know how many.

1194
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:49,480
I'm just going to prove that I own this.

1195
01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:51,480
I guess that's kind of like similar.

1196
01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:53,480
Maybe that's similar to how the ZK stuff will work.

1197
01:18:53,480 --> 01:18:55,480
I guess there's an exit, all just proofs and circuits.

1198
01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:57,480
I hate that we're five minutes out from the conclusion

1199
01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:00,480
because I think there's a really large conversation to be had here

1200
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:03,480
around basic exactly what you're talking about.

1201
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:04,480
Like this concept of-

1202
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:08,480
You're literally doing a PhD on this exact subject from the next five years.

1203
01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:09,480
Well, fair.

1204
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:10,480
Okay, fine.

1205
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:13,480
I won't even add my thoughts.

1206
01:19:13,480 --> 01:19:16,480
We should, yeah.

1207
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:19,480
This is a classic example now of like, oh yeah,

1208
01:19:19,480 --> 01:19:23,480
the aftershows always really good because now I know that we're just going to talk about that.

1209
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:25,480
I mean, yeah, it is classic example.

1210
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:26,480
What happens, Sam?

1211
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,480
We had the discussion early on and I've brought this up a couple of times

1212
01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:32,480
to other software engineers and they absolutely hate the comparison

1213
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:36,480
that a smart contract is basically just like AWS Lambda.

1214
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:37,480
Right?

1215
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:38,480
That's all it is.

1216
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:39,480
Hard agree.

1217
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:40,480
100%.

1218
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:41,480
Yeah.

1219
01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:42,480
Yeah.

1220
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:45,480
And people are super excited about that, which is great because it is cool, right?

1221
01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:47,480
Because you're distributing all over the world, whatever.

1222
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:50,480
But let's say you do have a smart contract on the Cosmos Hub,

1223
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:54,480
you have a small Lambda function that just adds one to one.

1224
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:58,480
Every time you execute that, every single validator on the network,

1225
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:02,480
or every single node potentially has to then run it.

1226
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:06,480
Therefore, it's multiple orders of magnitude less efficient than AWS.

1227
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:09,480
And then let's go to like zero knowledge proofs, right?

1228
01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:16,480
Zero knowledge proofs or bearer concepts are the same idea where if you want to use those things,

1229
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:22,480
like it's so computationally heavy and it's so computationally heavy within a grand scheme

1230
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:27,480
of validators and computers and individuals.

1231
01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:35,480
It just, that's one of the few things that makes me bearish on blockchain is just how astronomically

1232
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:39,480
efficient it is compared to centralized sources.

1233
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:40,480
And that's the point, right?

1234
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:45,480
The point is that this space operates within a trustless zone.

1235
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:49,480
And this trustless zone requires that everyone also verifies each other's work.

1236
01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:51,480
But God, it can be inefficient.

1237
01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:52,480
Yeah.

1238
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:57,480
I guess, I mean, there's a whole bunch of, we start getting into consistency and asynchronic.

1239
01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:02,480
And very quickly, we're getting into the underlying stuff for the tandem in our way,

1240
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:16,480
is that whereas, what is it, two thirds, two thirds, N plus one, what's the, and then the,

1241
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:19,480
Christ, what's the Byzantine generals?

1242
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:22,480
We're very, very quickly getting into like all the Byzantine general stuff where there's

1243
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:26,480
those couple of core bits of, you know, like you put it on a t-shirt, little equation where

1244
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:31,480
you're like, and then you're just like, oh, and then like, yeah, the actual like just for

1245
01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:36,480
why this works is like blackboards and blackboards of maths that I don't understand because I

1246
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:37,480
didn't do math degree.

1247
01:21:37,480 --> 01:21:41,480
And you're like, okay, it's actually quite hard, isn't it, to solve this stuff well.

1248
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:45,480
That's why it's not actually possible within the realms of physics.

1249
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:51,480
But yes, yeah, we'll have to, we'll have to circle back on that.

1250
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:55,480
But I want to pick up the, that last one in the spreadsheet.

1251
01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:57,480
Thank you, Rama for your hard work.

1252
01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:01,480
Jay appoints Osmosis team as CEOs of the hub.

1253
01:22:01,480 --> 01:22:04,480
It's kind of a little bit of a ship post from Rama, I think.

1254
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:10,480
I don't really understand Jay's tweet, which simply is a reply to some thread or something

1255
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:12,480
which looks like it's orphaned.

1256
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:17,480
Thank you, Twitter UI saying sunny a valer dragon will inherit Cosmos leadership until

1257
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:21,480
the minimal vision is done and fork full.

1258
01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:25,480
Now I have no fucking clue what that means, but while trying to work out what it meant,

1259
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:34,480
I stumbled onto Jay's, what's it fucking called, Twitter account, X account.

1260
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:42,480
And I want to propose that his Twitter account is potentially the new drill.

1261
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:45,480
So I'm going to read you a joke on tweet.

1262
01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:46,480
Yeah, no.

1263
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:53,480
Nothing is certain line break, but death of taxes.

1264
01:22:53,480 --> 01:23:10,480
This is mixing Jubilee trumpets to Oliver Anthony's rich North rich men north of Richmond declare our liberation with the trumpet drums can join but the marker is the trumpet Leviticus Jubilee makes people whole every 50 Jesus comes with sound video for bounty.

1265
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:12,480
So Jesus comes with sound.

1266
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:13,480
It was a good one.

1267
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:14,480
It was a long.

1268
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:21,480
Power dragon will inherit Cosmos leadership until the minimum minimal vision is done and fork full.

1269
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:29,480
Hello fellow gnomes say cause no lang people no land people gnomes by the land is only knows.

1270
01:23:29,480 --> 01:23:53,480
It's yeah, you just you just look at look at his tweets in there.