1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,680 Canals can use can the corner until he gets here though right. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:12,880 Welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from Independent Validator Teams. 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:21,200 Hello, welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from Independent Validator Teams. 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,320 And now there's two. 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,400 And now there's two. That was surprising. 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,120 Fucking rugged right at the beginning of the show. 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,200 So to be, I mean, I didn't hallucinate that Shultzie was here a minute ago. 8 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:38,960 He was in fact the cast is reducing minute by minute. 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:48,800 Cool. Okay. So Null has been eaten by a crocodile and will not be returning to the podcast. 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,280 So we're going to have to do... 11 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,880 We're taking submissions for the fourth member of the band. 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,920 Taking submissions on that. No, no, no. We will come back to Null's knees corner in a second 13 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:05,200 when he figures out his presumably animal based troubles in Australia. 14 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,040 And in the meantime, have you been up to your supper? Where have you been? 15 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,960 It's going out. I know I've been out for two weeks. 16 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:15,040 I think it was a cigarette for a while, huh? 17 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,400 They did. I know. Stupid life getting in the way of things. 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,600 Yeah, it's been busy. I don't know. 19 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,280 Say launch this week. I know there's a bunch of drama I guess online about it, 20 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,840 but I don't really... I don't really... I think it's airdrop drama. So that doesn't... 21 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,720 Is there a really drama? 22 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,080 There is. I think... I think... I don't know why. I think they moved it or they were... 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:39,040 They said they wanted more time or something, but when people say that they want free things 24 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,120 and those free things don't happen, exactly when the free things are coming, I think maybe 25 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,720 you get angry. It could be more than that. I don't know. I don't really care. 26 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:54,000 But that is... It's live. And I guess it's been live for a while in all honesty. It's been live for 27 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:03,280 maybe since May, I think, is when that launched, although it's been obviously just kind of getting 28 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:09,680 ready. And I think the SEI team was working with different exchanges to get listed on those 29 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:17,840 exchanges. And so it was kind of an opportunity to launch... I guess you'd be able to launch 30 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,640 products and be able to launch a token and kind of have everything ready at once, which I think 31 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:23,760 is really nice actually. I mean, I don't really have an issue with that. I think that was quite good. 32 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,120 So it took a while to get to this point. It's been, like I said, maybe like four or five months 33 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:34,640 since we've been putting infrastructure and stuff like that towards it. But it's here. And so we've 34 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:41,280 been validating. We've been signing blocks. That's what we do around here is we sign blocks. 35 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,000 That's not much. 36 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,360 So no much for the song's work. 37 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,160 It's not much. That's true. So far it's not much. 38 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,520 Oh, so you're talking about the income. It's not much. 39 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,200 No, no, no. Well, actually, we haven't... I don't even know. Honestly, I haven't really looked. I 40 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:58,960 know that there is commission coming in. I know we see that, but I don't think there's any... I 41 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:04,800 think transfers are enabled. I know IBC is enabled because we run relayers on it. But I don't know if... 42 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,600 I don't know if there's a market or what else is going on. I haven't really looked. So 43 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,160 it might be something to look at eventually. But yeah, so that's good. And we've been running a 44 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,920 bunch of RPC and crap for that. So the usage is interesting because I think it's blocked in a ton. 45 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:22,160 I'm not sure if the... Because if you go to app.net, say, the IEO, I think it is. 46 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:28,160 That website is... You can see the swaps and those types of things that are available. 47 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:35,360 But as a US citizen, you can't use them. And so it gets blocked from here in the US. But it's also 48 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,360 a tremendous amount of countries where it is blocked, like Germany and France and a few other... 49 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:44,160 Like UK. I think it's... You can't use it in a bunch of other ones. So our RPC traffic is 50 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:51,040 about... Which is really interesting. It's about 70% Asia, which is like no other chain. So we have 51 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,680 a couple... We have some nodes out there, but it's mostly Singapore and Taiwan and a bunch of other 52 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:01,120 types of things. And then Europe is next. And there's no traffic out of the US, like zero. 53 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:06,960 So it's very inverse from the other ones. I know this is fascinating. Say RPC discussion, 54 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,040 hashtag. So yeah. So anyway, so it's here. I know there's a bunch of chains launching. 55 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:23,280 And Alex dropped off. I'm fighting cores cross-origin issues elsewhere and trying to help... 56 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:26,320 Yeah. Anyway, so that's kind of what's going on. 57 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:32,320 I'd be kind of curious. So, okay. So as your RPC, you obviously would see 58 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:38,720 a VPN coming in as not its original location, right? So I wonder how much is actually 59 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:42,720 coming from like the US because they'd have to be using VPN for it to register, right? 60 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,760 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I mean, it's just a transaction. So 61 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,760 they would... That VPN IP address would be what would be hitting the endpoint, right? And that's 62 00:04:51,760 --> 00:05:00,080 the one that would push it. So I can... Yeah. I think I could probably... I'm sure I could pull a list 63 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,440 of common VPN endpoints, right? Like Nord and this and that and try to get a list of what those would 64 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,280 be in IPv4 and IPv6 and kind of cross-reference them. I'm sure there's a shitload of VPN traffic, 65 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:15,280 right? There has to be. So it's actually... But usually those are... Honestly, 66 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:20,320 she'll say those are usually at least... Maybe it's more in my history. But usually those things 67 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:26,640 are end-pointed into Europe. I guess it could be anywhere, but yeah. Good point. 68 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:32,640 But in rightly... I mean, whatever... We have like almost zero North America traffic, which makes sense 69 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:40,320 since it's blocked there. But even the apps that are using the same network as a baseline, 70 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:47,040 we get some of that traffic as well. So... And yeah. So anyway, so it's just... It's pretty 71 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:52,640 interesting because usually we don't do much in terms... At least compared to other chains where 72 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,040 we run infrastructure where we know where the source is coming, those countries have been 73 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,520 historically extremely low-cosmos users. Like I could speak for Stargaze and other ones. Like, 74 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,680 I know what those percentages are and they're not very large. And this one is the exact opposite. 75 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,040 Like it is... So it's a bit... It's interesting from that perspective. And I don't know if that 76 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,120 means that would be... That's VPN traffic or it's just, hey, this is where the users are, but it's 77 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:21,120 cool. So what do you think the traffic is? Because the airdrop isn't actually available yet, right? 78 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,080 So what are people doing? Well, there's a bunch of... I don't know actually because that's a good 79 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:34,160 point. So we do have some traffic numbers for some projects that are using these endpoints. 80 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:39,680 So for example, like SparrowSwap is one of those. So I know that Sparrow is active. I can go to 81 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:46,800 their site. I can log in. I can do things. There are other projects that use the Say Foundation 82 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:55,360 endpoints and also the Say app itself that I know is... I believe those are all considered 83 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,920 part of... I don't even know how it's considered, to be honest, but I'm guessing it all works through 84 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,360 that same kind of country block. And that country block is purely website-based, right? It's not 85 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,560 anything... We're not like, we don't block any traffic. It doesn't matter where it's coming from. 86 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:14,560 So yeah, I don't know where the North America traffic is coming from, but we are certainly 87 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:20,320 getting a large amount out of other parts of the world. How many hits per second are you able to 88 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,560 get out of each node? Because I know Stargates, you're able to get like, what, a thousand hits per 89 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:31,600 second? No, more than that. Usually, yeah, maybe somewhere in there. Like a thousand... I think 90 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:39,440 I have the nodes, the actual nodes themselves, locked down to max out at 10,000 concurrent 91 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,000 connections, which is too much because I even have to open up TCP tables to allow that. But 92 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,960 that's probably too much. And so I can put a little bit on the balancer to allow it to hold 93 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:54,320 on to those before the other one is done. And so I can kind of... There's a little bit of controls 94 00:07:54,320 --> 00:08:02,000 there to slow things down. But right now, I think anything over... I also don't think tendermint... 95 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:07,680 Just the stack itself is not really built for that amount of querying. So it kind of falls apart 96 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:14,400 pretty quick. But right now, for instance, as we're talking, we're about globally like 300 97 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:20,080 requests a second, which is totally... That's maybe like a third of what Stargates is all the time. 98 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:25,680 Stargates is usually about a thousand overall. Really? Constantly? Constantly. Yeah. And actually, 99 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,720 I mean, to that team's credit, they have significantly lowered the number of API hits 100 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,360 we're getting because Jorge and team have done a lot in terms of how they do caching and those 101 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:41,760 types of things. Cloudflare right now, as we're talking, is a flat 1500 a second. So that is 102 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:48,560 an average of 320 million a week, which is pretty bitchin', actually. That's a huge amount. That's 103 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:55,440 a lot of traffic. I mean, I'd love to see... This would be a really shitty metric, but like 104 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:04,400 RPC metrics compared to market cap. Stargates, I know that they have pretty decent usage, 105 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:09,200 but the market cap is quite low. They do. It's such a fascinating metric to see that. 106 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,000 Because it could be a decent and okay metric for utilization. 107 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,760 Yes. Well, the other thing is too, in NFT marketplaces, the number of requests to build a page 108 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:25,120 is pretty high because you're querying the chain for all the NFT data as you're getting the list 109 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,920 of all these types of things. If I go to the Bad Kids page, some of that is cash, but you're still 110 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,240 pulling a list of what I own. You're pulling a list of metadata associated with it. And then on top 111 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,720 of that, these requests also count the IPFS structure too, which is pulling in the metadata 112 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:45,920 for the actual IPFS collection. And then all the IPFS stuff is cashed in Cloudflare. So that gets 113 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,040 counted in terms of the request per second, but not doesn't come back to the load balancers. 114 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:57,040 So like for instance, Cloudflare right now is about 1400 requests a second, but only 700 of that 115 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,400 get back to the actual nodes. So the other 700 are handled from image management and all those 116 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:07,520 types of things. So it's a pretty busy chain from that perspective because I think it takes a lot. 117 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,560 I don't know, I haven't done it, but I mean, they've done a lot work here, but there's a lot of 118 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:14,240 queries that build a web page, right, from a Web3 perspective. You're not just like, you know, 119 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:21,040 select all from some table. The versus like DeFi, DeFi, the number of queries to build a page, I 120 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:28,000 think are pretty low. So that the like, like the average number of unique visitors per second on 121 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:37,280 say, I'm sorry, on Stargaze right now versus say is about half. Okay, so half number, there's a 122 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:43,680 half number concurrent unique users, visitors per second, there's twice as many on say, but 123 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:50,240 one eighth as much traffic in terms of requests. So that means so every page that I'm looking at in 124 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:55,120 say or for any sort of DAP, right, the number of requests to be able to do a transaction, 125 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,640 it's eight times as many on the NFT marketplace. That's that's a good way of saying it. That's 126 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:04,240 actually that's a valid, that's a that's a pretty reasonable type of number based on what we see. 127 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,080 So, and there's just just more graphics, right? I mean, you have a bunch of shit and you have 128 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,560 all these collections and you know, I think it makes sense, right? You that you have to do a 129 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:14,880 bunch of queries to be able to get it out. And so, but I think queries per market cap would be 130 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,720 would be interesting. I wonder what also about bots, I doubt there are a lot of bots right now 131 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,120 for say so far, right? Whereas Stargaze, I'm pretty sure there's a handful of bots that like, 132 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:31,760 you know, they always track whenever new bad kids is sold, or, you know, check the 133 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,320 the bottom price, whatever it's called that floor price, the floor price, I never remember the 134 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:42,080 terminology. Yeah, right. I mean, I don't know if I trust Stargaze, if you trust Cloudflare and 135 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:48,560 what they say, they say right now, let's say it's 32% automated, 12% likely human. 136 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:55,760 It tells you that 54% likely automated. So, wow, it knows. I'm not sure how it's doing that analysis. 137 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:01,280 It might be stuff of like, what the refers are, or the agent string, it might be based off of 138 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,880 the concurrency, but there is some shit associated like they do some work in there. 139 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,720 And so, according to that, it says that, but again, that they're also they handle like regular 140 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,720 web traffic and shit, I'm only talking API's right. So, if I said, hey, this is an API, 141 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,160 maybe those numbers would change, you know what I mean? Because, because it's kind of built to 142 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:24,080 handle anything, but we're only uses for API data, API traffic. So, but it kind of thinks, I mean, 143 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,280 it has an idea, I could look at Stargaze too, I could take a look at that, I bet you it's, 144 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:32,080 well, actually, I don't know, because they're, we break up the domains by API versus not API there 145 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,960 as well. But, but yeah, so it's, I'm guessing, I think you're right, though, I'm guessing there's 146 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,920 a decent amount of bot traffic that's coming in through, through there. Oh yeah, there it says, 147 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:49,920 let's see, or HREX it by time too. So, he has automated of, let's see, human is, 148 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:57,760 yeah, only about maybe 20% of things. And the rest of it is verified bot, likely automated. 149 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,520 But again, it's API traffic on this one. So, who knows, like, I know, you know, 150 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:08,640 it's weird. How many requests are you doing? On what? On say? Yeah. We, right now, it's about 151 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:19,520 200 and about 275, 300 a second on there. So, in the last 20, 8 to 10 million a day, 152 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,880 15.7 million in the last day. 15, okay. Yeah, about 16 million. And, and, and, so right now, 153 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:38,080 out of that, it is about 65% out of Asia, 27% out of Europe, and about 25% overall out of Singapore. 154 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:44,480 And another 15% out of Taiwan. So, it's very Asia, Asia, very Asia specific. 155 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,240 There's a lot of countries blocked out of the air drops. 156 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's not happening yet. So, I'm assuming that this traffic will 157 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:58,400 increase greatly when that happens. Although, I mean, there's a lot of apps that use this 158 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,280 toolset. So, I don't even know how it's going to happen. So, 159 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:08,720 man, during the, during the Atlantic test net, like our RPCs were taking 200, 250 million requests 160 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,440 a day. Yeah. Yeah, well, there, I mean, there were spamming the heck out of that. Yeah. Yeah. 161 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,720 But yeah, we haven't like through the roof though. So, yeah. And we're, I mean, I'm, I mean, this is 162 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:25,440 a, this is a service that we're providing, right? So, I like, I keep lowering the, the, I'm pretty 163 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:32,880 brutal on the, on the 429s right now. So, I'm, I'm blocking like, like, I'm serving a full of 164 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:38,160 20 no ends. I was, I was, I'm serving mostly 429s. I was, I was saying that like, I was going to try 165 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:44,720 to allow public main net about 50,000 requests a day. And honestly, I don't even see that's 166 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,400 worth it because the ones that I'm seeing are, it's just garbage traffic, right? It's just 167 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:53,600 from one IP address and 40,000 requests. So, now I have it, I think I'm limiting it to 10 requests 168 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:59,280 a minute, 10 requests over 10 seconds and I block for a minute and whatever else. So, I'm just 429s 169 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,440 to 100 people. And then I give out, I'm giving out API keys to projects that need them, right? 170 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:11,040 Yeah. So, I guess like you're, I mean, it's a, it's a weird spot you're in because you're sort of 171 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:18,080 like the main purpose of that, right? Is, is as a contracted provider for a foundation. 172 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,280 Correct. That's right. 173 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:25,840 And then you, yeah, I guess you, you need to put on some private clients as well. Like we have, 174 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:32,640 we just have ours is only private. So, there's like no, no public traffic at all. But 175 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:38,080 like I've been tossing out whether or not to actually put on the free public 176 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:45,760 RPC like we do for most of the other networks. I think it probably will, but in the, in the 177 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:54,880 interest of, you know, the, the health of that will probably put some sort of rate limiter, I guess. 178 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,360 We don't rate limit any of the other networks that we have free RPC for. 179 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:00,240 Really? 180 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,760 And yeah, none of them really get too much of a hiding like they handle the traffic just for, 181 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:11,680 I really didn't know how much traffic and node could handle until the Atlantic to 182 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,600 test it and they can take a lot of traffic. 183 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,320 I think we were talking about the four before you joined like she was asking, 184 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,240 like I think for us, we were getting, I think once it gets to be like a thousand requests 185 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,120 a second per node, it really starts to like it falls off fast. You know what I mean? Like it 186 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,960 just starts to shit the bed a little bit and then like them, like it just has it. So, 187 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,400 depending on what the requests are, but yeah, true. 188 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:45,040 Like binary issues aside, which we had in the test net, when, when everything was running well 189 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:53,920 and the nodes were reasonably fresh, like three to four thousand requests per second was achievable. 190 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,640 So, and that's, that's a fair bit. 191 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,520 I guess, I guess it does depend on what, I mean, transactions in a way, transactions, 192 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:07,520 it, the transactions a single node, it is a very small number we saw, but like basic queries, 193 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:14,400 like balances, yeah, like contracts, requests. Yeah, you can take a fair bit. Yeah. Yeah. 194 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:20,800 Yeah. Yeah. Not sure about the, the transactions because it's actually quite hard to determine 195 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:27,920 what a transaction is because some of the projects just like they're querying through posts instead 196 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,000 of gets. So it gets like, you can't figure out what the hell they're querying. 197 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:39,120 Right. Right. Especially if it's going through RPC. So, but yeah, it's certainly been like 198 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:45,440 eye-opening anyway. I don't know if, if say has actually done anything different to make the 199 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:51,280 performance better, but it seems like they can take a fair bit of abuse. 200 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,920 Yeah. I don't know if they have, because I asked, actually I sent knowing that, that we're spot, 201 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,600 like we're helping with some of the foundation. I sent like all our node configs. I said, 202 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,920 this is how I'm running it. So like I've made over chain, like over time, I've made changes to 203 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:09,280 like that, like specifically the IAVL cache or like what we're doing on the Wasm side and, 204 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:14,480 and when that's appropriate. Like, like, so we've done a little bit of tweaking in those configs 205 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,800 to based on other history that we've had, right? And so I sent that over to them say, 206 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,640 like, this is what my plan is. And you guys have any, because, you know, we've done a 207 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:28,720 research on this or like worked on it all. So I didn't get much feedback out of that, but, but, 208 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:33,920 but I'm hoping that, that, you know, we haven't really pushed these, these nodes to the limit yet. 209 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,840 So I'm hoping to see kind of how it works. I'm just, I'm actually working with somebody. The only 210 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:42,480 issue we've had, honestly, is I've had a lot of projects, I don't understand core as well enough, 211 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,920 I just don't understand it. And it's like, it seems like a black art, I fucking hate it. 212 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:51,120 But we have a lot of projects that they have, they're, they're hitting AP, they're hitting our 213 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:56,400 API endpoints. And then I, on the back end, I, maybe somebody who's listening might know this, 214 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:03,840 but on the back end, I write a, I have a web firewall rule or a web rule that basically a 215 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:08,720 transformer rule is really what it's called in there, that on the response header, I rewrite the 216 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,920 cores backwards to say, Hey, that if it hits any of these domain names, which are our domain names, 217 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:19,760 access control had allow headers to star access allow origin is star, allow methods is post get 218 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:25,440 head, head, or post get put head options like all the options, everything start out, right? So every 219 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:31,520 response coming back, those are there, which would mean that any browser would say, Oh, 220 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,160 this is totally fine, right? Because cores is really a client side thing. And then we had projects 221 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:43,200 that were using local host as the refer. So local host, Chrome, like rejects is a refer, 222 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:51,680 that's not a valid refer. And so, so Chrome itself blocks, if local host is the refer that is going 223 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,160 to a cores engine that allows star, this is fucking complicated. But so and there's like, I 224 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,400 found a couple pages on it, like, like the browser itself is that if the, if the refer 225 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,640 addresses local host, cores doesn't work, like it just fucking blocks it, because it's a work 226 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,160 around or something, I don't know. And so we have a bunch of projects that are had like local host in 227 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,440 their Vercel deployments and all that type of stuff. I'm trying to figure out how the fuck 228 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,520 does this happen? So anyway, so there some teams are struggling with that, I don't even know how 229 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:22,880 to help them, you're muted. Maybe they actually had local host, the client has it. But, but I think 230 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:31,760 it's a method of the web app to maybe set what the referring is, or maybe that that request needs to 231 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:37,200 be proxied somehow. I don't know. I don't know exactly what the, what the communication path 232 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,760 isn't that thing. Or like who's talking to what? Well, there's a bit of a jumble between front end 233 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:47,200 and back end on some of those JavaScript frameworks now, isn't there? So it does beg the question of 234 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,280 like configuration in terms of like, it's running on a box somewhere, presumably, 235 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:58,400 yeah, there's some additional config on that box, so they can have more than one application running 236 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:04,160 or something like that. And they've just fuzzed around with the cores headers to make everything 237 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:11,920 work. But, you know, just default. So like, an example of where the local host thing is necessary 238 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:18,400 is in development. So quite often, a default configuration option for cores in say a next app 239 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:28,480 would be to set local host plus, where it's going to come from. So like, you have to do this for 240 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:34,720 RPC endpoints in Cosmos. So if you run a local dev, maybe you don't anymore, but you're something 241 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:43,120 used to have to set the cores headers in the app.toml, like dynamically, like rewrite it when 242 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:48,720 you started the app, or started a chain so that your your next app could talk to it. And then 243 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,200 obviously, if you're just running it in a doc container on your laptop and exposing it to the 244 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:59,280 host, it's going to be local host. So you can do it. And you can visit you can actually even visit 245 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:06,800 that. But only when it's, I guess, served up in the end app, if you tried to just hit it 246 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,320 straight up, I guess it would blow up. I don't know. Yeah, that's a good question. 247 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,960 We have a team that does a lot of testing. And like I see local host coming through all the time 248 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,280 as a referrer, I haven't had any complaints. And maybe I should just get I mean, right now, I'm 249 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:30,480 trying to I'm specifically rewriting the cores headers on the outbound to allow star, like, 250 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:35,280 I like I'm trying to avoid what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to avoid any node specific 251 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,080 cores headers on those requests getting out, right? So I don't want to worry about what the 252 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,400 what the nodes are saying. Because right now, even I have I have star and all the nodes as well, 253 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:50,000 I don't give a shit, right? So I know that that's the problem. Don't do that. So in your 254 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,960 e talking about your config, Tom, it can be in the right. Yeah, go ahead. You can't write it 255 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:01,200 twice. Or it fucks up. You need to if you are rewriting the headers in your proxy, you need to 256 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:07,840 actually just take out any configuration for those in your config dot Tom. I can look at the 257 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,760 headers that are coming back, like I can curl the headers that are coming back from like a 258 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,480 request, though. And I can see there's like, like the headers look perfect. So I'm trying to figure 259 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:22,000 out like I'm looking at my now, Pager duty. Hello. Yeah, fucking Pager duty. 260 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,800 Wait, the phone going off too? Yeah, it could be. I don't. Yeah, there's a problem with 261 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,200 one of the test nets. Yesterday, it's stalled out. And they just gave us a new binary. And I 262 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,000 guess people are just putting it back on. But actually, this is my static saying that it's 263 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:47,840 running out of process. Too many, too many nodes. The test nets was this 2021. Pager 264 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,240 doing a test that's what are you doing? We we think now test nets are important. 265 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,240 And that's your Twitter profile. 266 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:04,960 King knows we think test notes are important. So we're writing we're rewriting the allow headers 267 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:12,720 allow methods allow origin and max age in what in control in on like a caddy server or something. 268 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:19,120 Yeah, from so we were rewriting that in the in the proxy, but all of our configs on the actual 269 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:25,680 nodes are all are blank. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think that's the case. I might have a I got 270 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,760 to look back on this config for sake of say is a little bit different because he uses that that 271 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,280 3.7 tenement thing. So it requires a little bit config on the answer will say. 272 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:38,160 I can't remember if it's star if it's this blank, I got to go look. But if I am double 273 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,520 writing it, you probably get rid of your problems, don't double write it and you'll get no problem. 274 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,920 But they are the same, right? So does it fucking matter? 275 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:53,360 I don't know. There's some people report that they get this double like there's an error that 276 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:59,120 comes through and it's like a, you know, something to do with double stars. And you just you can't 277 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:03,440 rewrite it twice. Well, you can't send it and then rewrite it. It does something. I don't know. 278 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:10,160 Okay. So what throws the error, but like whether that's there and use a software or whether it's 279 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:15,840 something in between it, but like we never get any errors on our side when we do it. But I know 280 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,640 that the clients have problems. So if we only do it once, we don't have problems. I forget what 281 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:26,960 the end that by default, it's what it's like. It's just like a two brackets, right? Oh, I've seen 282 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,520 that James said I've seen that error on say because of Ansible had to remove those second lines. 283 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:40,560 So what what we do is basically use a vanilla config and do like on the node and then do all of 284 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:46,720 our configuration in the proxy seems to work. Haven't had any complaints. Okay. I only have this one. 285 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:53,360 I mean, I only have I have had two teams that have that have had this course issue and they both 286 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:57,680 were sending local host. I know sending local host is a bad juju. So I know that's a problem. 287 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:03,120 And I know that star in the refer rejects that I know the browser says a local host doesn't count 288 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:07,280 and star. I know that I mean, I've looked at that multiple times. So I know that exists, 289 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,280 but this double thing I could be doing that. There's no doubt about it. This podcast is 290 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,960 becoming helpful. I don't understand. More to me than anybody else. Nobody gives a shit about this. 291 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,320 It's like, what are we doing here, man? What are we doing, man? Talking about node operations and 292 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:27,440 shit. Oh, it's time, baby. Who's done that? I refuse to participate in what in the corner? 293 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,720 It's your it's your segment. We carved out the segment for you. I mean, we have played 294 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,200 with content ideas and I now don't agree with the idea. I think that we should 295 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,760 change this around to have our subjects to hit for the potty. 296 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:52,320 Rather than fucking, it's too clunky. It makes me feel weird. All right. All right. 297 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,360 It's too clunky. Turn it off. It's Schultz's news corner. We're just making news. 298 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:03,440 Schultz's news corner. Oh, shit. Okay. Shush on Shnoos. Shush our corner. I can shoot with this. 299 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,880 This is my moment to shine. Okay. We have and we have we have topics this week too, right? 300 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,240 So much for my moment to shine. You interact so fine. I'm sorry. We have Rama on the case 301 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:20,560 and Rama is producing topics except the deal was with Rama is that he would produce the 302 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:29,920 subjects and some links and then we would review them on Wednesday so that we knew what was happening 303 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,960 for the potto. Yes. Today's Wednesday. Except he's provided the links and no one's reviewed them. 304 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,760 Actually, that's actually all me because I've just been completely fucking flat out. 305 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:45,680 I did. I did look at the links. Wait, what? Well, then where in the in the sheet to the off to the 306 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:52,400 right hand side. Shit. I do have some funny news. This is a bit. It's not really news news, 307 00:27:52,400 --> 00:28:02,000 but it is quite funny. King notes has exited Mars as promised on the 15th of April. Congratulations. 308 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:09,280 Only for Rhino to take up the mantle. Wait, why? That means my delegations are getting 309 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:16,400 steak again. Sweet. No, I'm not. I'm not. You and needle cast both active now. Wait, 310 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,280 am I missing blocks? I don't know. If you get me slash, I'm going to be very upset. 311 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:30,160 Yeah, you're you're going to jail, bud. I thought, wait, why is there wait? 312 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,120 Why is there even a week on there? I thought it unsteady all that. 313 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,040 Well, you had a mistake with you to keep you in the active set. I never unsteady. 314 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,840 Are you the 13,000? I might be. Dude, I'm risking your I'm risking really 315 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:48,480 45 cents, man. I know that it's serious. I'm going to fuck it. Second. 316 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:55,680 You've come back in with a VP of 16,000. You bloody. Oh, wait, no, I'm at 4900. 317 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:03,440 Oh, I'm last in this list. 16,000. I wonder what that is. Wait, it just happened, right? 318 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,960 I only see. I actually see blocks that are not red. Are you bastard? Yeah, this morning. 319 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,080 How did you do this debate? Wait, it says self bonded 12,000. I have 12,000 Marston here. 320 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,080 That's how well I'm managing this business, folks. I told you the other day, I said, 321 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:27,280 when I unbund, you're going to be thrust into the limelight. I thought you were kidding. I honestly 322 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:38,080 thought you were kidding. This price actually on Mars is, it's only down 50%. It's a win. 323 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:45,680 In the last 12 hours. Man. Well, that's good in all those news corner information that right now 324 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,120 I'm missing blocks. And I think we've always been in the set because if we weren't making blocks, 325 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,600 monitoring would have gone up. But we are like, you're in, right? Yeah, we are. 326 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:06,880 Yeah, we are. Yeah, I mean, if somebody unbonds from us, then we can save $300 a month on that server. 327 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:14,640 You can unbond yourself, you know, I'm not even sure what we have. 328 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:23,680 Self-stake if anything. This chain really hasn't gone to plan. How's it? 329 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,280 Yeah, I don't really know. I don't know. I'd be interested to see. This would be something I'd 330 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,040 be interested to see like how many transactions and I don't know. I don't know if it's 331 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:42,480 self-stake or Mars. CoinGecko printing reds across the board yesterday. Juno under 20 cents. 332 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:50,240 Is it? Oh yeah, 19.4. It's got further to go probably. Most of the Cosmos has. 333 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:57,200 Yeah, it's actually been a pretty rough week overall. Aptos down a lot. Cosmos down 9% this week. 334 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:06,400 We are still 100% in bad territory, baby. Juno down 18%. Evmos another 13%. 335 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,160 Evmos 6 cents now. 336 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,880 Evmos 6 cents. Take a drink. Take a drink. 337 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,920 Evmos is, oh, 6 cents. 6 cents. Yeah. 338 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,880 Chainlinks are so high. Rewards at 3 bucks. 339 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:29,760 Bitcoin and Ethereum actually hold. Ethereum is down $1800 down to 2%, but everything else is 340 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:35,840 like way better. The moral of the story is cash out into 8. Well, actually, the moral of the story 341 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:43,920 is to cash out in fucking USD. Exactly. That inflation is only like 7%. 342 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:51,280 Hey, hindsight is 20-20, man. I love the crypto Cito videos. Or is always calling 343 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,520 USD is shit coin. 344 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,320 Yeah. When you get 5% on treasury bonds at the moment, that's pretty decent. 345 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,520 Is that what it's at right now? Yeah. 346 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,320 Your rewards for those T-bills are paid in shit coin. 347 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,600 According to crypto Cito, who I go to is for my fucking financial advice. 348 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,720 That's 100% of my financial advice. 349 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:22,160 Savage 1R, why does the say airdrop suck? I don't know. I don't have any. 350 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,440 I don't know either. I didn't even know that there was, I was talking to someone and 351 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:34,080 I didn't even know there was a Twitter hashtag or X hashtag for say scam. And I was like, 352 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,800 wait, what? Like already? It just launched yesterday. 353 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,840 I thought a fire drop wasn't available yet. 354 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,440 Yeah. And they came out and they said, like, hey, we're not ready for it. It's going to happen. 355 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,880 Atlantic two users will get it. And I mean, there's a lot of Atlantic two users, 356 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,080 but it's not enough to call it a scam. Like what the fuck is that? I don't know. 357 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,200 I don't know. Maybe there's more to the story. 358 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,280 Everyone just loves to cool the project to scam these days. 359 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,560 Like when I don't get my free money exactly when I expect it, 360 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,720 therefore it is a total fucking scam. 361 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,680 I for one really enjoy that osmosis is getting an airdrop, but the cosmos is not. 362 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,000 Yeah. That feels kind of like I'm pushing out some hot take right there. 363 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,240 But I think there's so many salty fucking people because of that. 364 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,680 They just like, what? Because everyone just expects that the atom holders will get the airdrop. 365 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,720 But in reality, like those users bring no value to the platform because they're all 366 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,320 fucking non users, right? There's so many whales in there as well. 367 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,360 Osmosis is like, 368 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:37,360 Osmosis liquidity provides the like the meme of the soldiers holding up society, drowning in blood. 369 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,240 That was like seriously. That's exactly right. 370 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,000 That's the people who get airdrops. 371 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:48,240 Like all of the metrics are not conducive to the functioning of the interchain. 372 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:54,480 That's exactly right. Like if those LPs go to zero and people give up on that area, it's over. 373 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,000 Yeah. The party is instantly. 374 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,520 The party is literally over. 375 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,200 There's no value in that other than people holding on for the sake of holding on. 376 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,840 That's it. It's done. 377 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,720 There's no value in it except for the sake of holding on could describe a lot of the eco 378 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,520 right now. And I don't mean just Osmosis. I mean, yeah, yeah, for sure. 379 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,680 All of them. But that way everybody holds that up as being like, hey, this is the bank, right? 380 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:23,200 And all that kind of stuff. But but anyway, I find it really interesting how sticky 381 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:30,800 exchanges are or like swaps are. Osmosis doesn't do all that much like with the like the most 382 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,800 glorious ways. Like I would say that wind in many ways had a better user experience than Osmosis. 383 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,200 But nobody moved over to it. I think handful of people did to get yield and then they called it 384 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,680 good. I found that really fascinating. Like I know that I know that if you find like, 385 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,120 you know, your phone, your iPhone, you're not going to leave your iPhone because it's really 386 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,440 sticky to leave the thing you're already happy with. But it's really fun and interesting and 387 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,760 fascinating seeing it happen in real time. 388 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:04,000 I wish there was a better like mobile user experience for the for the Cosmos, just like 389 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:11,200 an app that sort of is on the ball, does it all and abstracts the way or the bullshit of IBC. 390 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,280 And you can just sit there and swipe and press buttons and your fucking tokens fly all over 391 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:23,040 the place and you are in defy and losing money. I want to bat the gap on my phone, 392 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:30,560 said no. Well, hey, maybe Sigma six have a betting app. That'd be cool. 393 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,880 If they can if they can produce a user experience like you would get from like, 394 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:45,040 you know, bet bros or whatever the main betting apps are, like that'd go if you can if you can 395 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:52,560 create an experience that doesn't feel like Web three in a betting app, that would go very well. 396 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:58,880 If you could hide all this entirely true. Fantasy sports aren't nearly as big as they used to be. 397 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,760 I have a buddy who has made a lot of money off he's been like the top 10 and like all of the 398 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,720 draft Kings and fantasy sports things for a long time because he's a data scientist. 399 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,520 And it's something like 100 the size it was like five years ago. So like it's cool and 400 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,880 betting betting sports betting. Yeah, it's much, much, much smaller than it was even 401 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,160 but that's not. Oh, okay. You said fantasy, but this isn't fancy. I guess actual sports betting, 402 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,600 fantasy and sports betting. Yeah, he does. It's smaller. 403 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,600 Sport betting is still pretty big. Okay, I guess I would say within the US, 404 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,800 it's much smaller than it was. Like it's at least a factor of 10 smaller than it was like three years 405 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,560 ago. No more. It would have been huge like five years ago. And the reason for that is because 406 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:49,040 of the GFC. The GFC. Good. Yeah. When like when things go to shit, people tend to turn to 407 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:56,480 get rich quick stuff and degenerate stuff. But it's also it's like it's a fact. 408 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:05,600 It's it's it's because of a hardship and be depression and people turn to gambling and 409 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,680 drinking and all kinds of shit like that. So shouldn't things be I should sports betting 410 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,200 be higher now then because things aren't really in a great state right now. 411 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,480 I mean comparatively to 2008, they're probably pretty good. But yeah, we've just 412 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,600 2008. Okay, I thought you were saying 2018. I completely missed that. So I was like, 413 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,480 what happened to 2018? That made it so bad. Sorry, I was off by a factor of 10 years. 414 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:37,360 But like at lately, like, you know, things have been up until very recently, the last 415 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,840 three to four years have been pretty golden, like all through. Yeah, 416 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:47,360 over especially here in Australia, like I was especially here in Australia, like 417 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:54,240 pretty fantastic. You know, the Australian experience is no matter what and fucking 418 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:58,720 them off in the boat. So they don't take them, but they keep melting them into shit. 419 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:05,600 Freaking rocks. Shippin' them away. You need batteries. We got shit for that. You need steel. 420 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:11,920 We got shit for that. Just imagine the guy standing on the fucking deck, hocking like Paul's a shit. 421 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,760 You say that people turn to gambling in times of down this, right? 422 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,240 Yeah, of course. Yeah. That's when I found crypto and during COVID. 423 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,880 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Right. It's exact same thing. 424 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:37,200 Yeah, I mean, like IRL, I actually invest in, you know, like TabCorp and StarCasino and all those 425 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,280 guys when things are starting to look bad, start chucking money in the casinos and shit. 426 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,360 Yeah. Yeah. Like on the other end, though, on the house side. 427 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,560 So when you do it, degeneracy is the only way. The good. 428 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,200 Oh, baby. 429 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,040 All right. What else is in Schiltz's corner? 430 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:02,880 Schiltz in his corner. He was about to drop some news bombs on us until he rudely interrupted 40 431 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:12,400 minutes ago. My favorite one is Prop 818, the slashing of PopMos and was it Citizen Cosmos, 432 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:19,840 I want to say? Yeah, Citizen Cosmos, I think. Thank you. So we voted yes on that. I actually, 433 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:25,280 we as a team kind of disagree with tombstone in general, but if we're going to do tombstone, 434 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,000 we should do tombstone. So we voted yes. However, it turns out that this prop, 435 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,240 whether it goes through or not, isn't actually going to do anything because the proposal will 436 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:40,800 submit it incorrectly. And it requires like this really weird like coordination of time 437 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:46,480 between two blockchains to do it correctly. And so they're aiming at the wrong slash block. 438 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,800 So everybody's switching over to no now, which I think is absolutely fascinating. 439 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,200 Wait, so that made the guy in the redo it? 440 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,400 Great question. I don't know. 441 00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,720 So the, the, what, how did this happen? This was a slashing event on what, on Neutron or on 442 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:05,600 something or on Stride, Stride, right? I think it was Neutron. So what happened was there was 443 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,480 an upgrade. They fucked it up. Nobody cares, right? Because it's a subchain who gives a shit. 444 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:18,240 Right. So I had some color. I had some color in there. They're my fuck. I see. 445 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,960 I see. Nobody cares because it's small money. Nobody gives a shit because this, 446 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,120 this model doesn't make any sense and nobody wants to pay attention, but just a personal opinion. 447 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,760 Yeah. So, so they, they, there are two tombstone events, but they don't actually, 448 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,680 they don't actually have the tombstone like happening. They don't get jailed. 449 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,520 They don't get slash none of that. It's just like the Byzantine fall, 450 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,760 like shows up on chain and then they move on. And so there's government proposal that went up 451 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:49,920 saying, Hey, we should actually probably enforce this. So proposal goes up and the problem is the 452 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,640 way I see us works is you have like the two chains that are running in parallel, right? 453 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,920 And the way the proposal was submitted was it was submitted such that it would enact the 454 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:06,880 slashing event for tombstoneing as if it was happening on the consumer chain on Neutron. 455 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,680 However, the way slashing actually works has to happen on the cosmos of, 456 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:17,680 so they have to figure out what blocks coordinated with the slashing block from the consumer 457 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,880 to cosmos. But they didn't do that. They just used the consumer block. And so that's the issue. 458 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:28,160 So in order to actually do slashing, it requires so much overhead that people didn't even know 459 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:33,440 about like Zach, he was the one that put up prop 18, like he's one of the original developers 460 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,280 on Tenderman or maybe not the original developers, but he's like one of the most in the game. 461 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,920 And even he got it wrong. So like we're entering the stage of like how much does slashing 462 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,080 matter? Apparently not at all. Like bad behavior doesn't matter at all. 463 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:51,760 Uh, it doesn't make a difference. That's good. I'm glad that we have the, so what, 464 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,840 so the security then, if slashing doesn't matter, right? I guess the security is purely financial 465 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:04,640 in some sort of sense, but if, which it turns out is the same as the real world. So the security 466 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,880 is still financial only, but how is it even financial because there's no slashing? Yeah, 467 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,160 there's no way of actually being slashed. So there isn't even, so the security is purely about the 468 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,480 amount locked, isn't it? So it's just, it is about the amount locked. That's correct. You 469 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:27,840 failed, but with no real backing. Like the real world. Perfect. This is awesome. Pretty sure in the 470 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:34,560 history of economics, too big to fail has never failed. That's true. That's right. That's right. 471 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:41,600 I love it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, so anyway, so this, this proposal means nothing and nobody's 472 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,760 opinions me anything because it's not enforceable anyway, or there's no anything. So the question 473 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,560 is if it, if it, I guess if it passes, then there's a case to be made that it should then 474 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:57,600 be fixed and actually pass. Yeah. I don't know. I still stand by the idea that like, I think that 475 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,960 tombstone slashing should basically go away and then all downtime slashing should be increased. 476 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,920 Like, I think that at most, the way that, like at most having a 1% slash for downtime, 477 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,040 I think that's right. I think that there should be a high downtime slash, but basically no tombstone 478 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,960 is already handled or double signing is already handled within the chain, right? So if that happens. 479 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,240 But even downtime slashing, there's an argument for whether that needs to exist. 480 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,120 Yeah, I agree. I like quadratic slashing would probably be the best, right? If you're up higher, 481 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,080 you get slash higher because you have a greater responsibility. Well, but I mean, it's back to 482 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,840 the multiple mechanisms, I suppose. Like the reason that you have, you have downtime slashing 483 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:44,320 is because not every chain has inflation or like infinite inflation with within a bracket. 484 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,760 But if you have chains with sort of unbounded inflation, then yeah, some of them don't even 485 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:56,720 have slashing for downtime. It's just that you're losing money. So you're incentivized not to be 486 00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,000 down. Otherwise, obviously your delegates will fuck off. 487 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,600 That's partially not even true. If you miss a block, you still get the tokens. The only time that 488 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:11,280 you get jailed, I think. Yeah, like you get jailed, you don't. But it is kind of done. 489 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,720 I think it'd be a much better system if you just, if you don't sign the block, you don't get the 490 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:23,520 rewards for that block. Do you know what the funny thing is though, I guess the problem we'd have is 491 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:30,240 no solutions. People would be reducing their time to, like everyone would be speeding the blocks up 492 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:36,240 so that they have small wait times. Well, also, yes. But like the, yeah, you sign the block, 493 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:41,440 you get paid, you don't sign the block, you don't get paid is simple and therefore elegant. 494 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:50,240 But it does also rely on, but at the point where you 100% rely only on the economics to drive the 495 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:56,320 security of the chain, you also rely on the chain being worth something. So at the moment, 496 00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:01,840 for most of the cosmos, that would just mean validators would, there would be absolutely no 497 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,040 reason to not let your validator go zombie on some chains and then just crash the chain. 498 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,640 Like chains would not come back after upgrades in a bear. So that's the thing with downtime 499 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,800 slashing. It's sort of that dead man switch that forces the chain to stay up through hope. 500 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:26,720 Like, is why couldn't you have that as like, like there's nothing stopping having the two 501 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,960 two factors like if you don't sign the blocks, you don't get paid. And if you don't sign any 502 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,960 blocks for a while, then you've got the dead man switch that just turns you off until you decide 503 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:40,480 to come back and be active. Yeah. And that would work. I just felt it feels like we must be missing 504 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:46,880 a trick that the the downtime slashing just feels like a very inaligent solution. Like I 505 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,320 I feel like they added, when they built it, they just put all these functions in there 506 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,920 with maybe the intent was that you use some of them, not all of them. 507 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,160 And then people were just using all of them because that is what was in the default like 508 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:07,160 Genesis that gets spat out like the, you can't miss a hundred blocks or something. 509 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,160 Right. 510 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,160 Yeah. 511 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,480 Remember when people used to not change the default and you'd get a main net where you 512 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,640 couldn't miss a hundred blocks? 513 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,640 Yeah. 514 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,800 That was like that was in the justice, right? 515 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,800 Where you missed a hundred blocks and you're gone or something. 516 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,560 It's still true on the spot. 517 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,560 Still is it? 518 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,560 Oh, is it? 519 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:21,560 Yeah. 520 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,560 Yeah. 521 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,560 On tenets, a hundred blocks. 522 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,560 Even a main net. 523 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,560 Yeah. 524 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,800 Now they don't have downtime slashing, but you still can get jailed. 525 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:29,800 Fun. 526 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,480 So what are these guys talking about? 527 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:33,480 If they did? 528 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,280 Well, you mean the folks in the comments, they have breaking news that they know that we're 529 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,840 not going to cover or understand. 530 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,240 But I mean, honestly, that's most, that's most things. 531 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:43,240 Okay. 532 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:44,240 Wait, okay. 533 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:45,520 Let's come to something from Rama. 534 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,680 This is Rama's news corner, actually. 535 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,280 But don't put up the goddamn banner man. 536 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,320 It makes my head hurt at blue down the bottom. 537 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,200 No, no. 538 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,200 So actually one thing that that Rama mentions this week, it's probably not what they're 539 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,960 talking about in the comments, but I haven't been reading the comments. 540 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:11,400 So I said the stash app has implemented an email sign up. 541 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:19,080 So the secret marketplace stash app has decided to enforce email sign up requirements on 542 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,280 all users so you can see and trade your NFTs. 543 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,200 I said this can go interchange and allow users to recover their wallet by having the seed 544 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:34,200 phrase emailed to them in plain text, in plain text. 545 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,200 That's cool. 546 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,200 Emails encrypted now. 547 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,200 It's all good. 548 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,200 Yeah. 549 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,720 I can't see, I bet they're not using GPG for that. 550 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,200 Just plain text, baby news. 551 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,040 I mean, it's, that's mine between, yeah, it's fine. 552 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,040 Between servers, no big deal. 553 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,040 It'll be fine. 554 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,800 Sorry about that. 555 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,280 Not a security issue. 556 00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:01,120 So it's not a security issue if you say the word YOLO before you commit to it. 557 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,120 It depends if you're an AirDrop. 558 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,960 If people know you're YOLOing, then it's fine, right? 559 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,400 If there's an AirDrop involved, then all rules go out the window. 560 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,840 If I get an AirDrop, then I can put my keys into anything and it's safe. 561 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,720 I think that's a real rule, right? 562 00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:14,720 That's what I've learned. 563 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:19,480 So, if there's an AirDrop, if there's a new wallet, you have to use for that AirDrop. 564 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,720 You can just YOLO your validator keys. 565 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:22,720 It doesn't matter, right? 566 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:23,720 Do you ever listen? 567 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:27,040 Do you ever listen to, like, when, when there was the one, was it Desmos where it was like 568 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,040 that as well? 569 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:33,640 It's just like, hey, you know, we could actually YOLO your seed phrase into the browser. 570 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,640 Yeah. 571 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:41,000 So, you see, yeah, that sounds like a really fucking great idea. 572 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000 Let's do that, shall we? 573 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,000 It's exactly right. 574 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,000 Yeah. 575 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,000 I think it's fine. 576 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,400 I mean, as long as there's cash involved, I think it's all good. 577 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,400 Yeah. 578 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,400 I mean, it's not like we're getting money, is it? 579 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,680 Well, I mean, to that moment, barely. 580 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,440 So, does it feel that way? 581 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,440 Yeah. 582 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,360 I mean, pennies, even pennies, it's fine. 583 00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,360 Like any small amounts. 584 00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,360 Yeah. 585 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,360 Small amounts of pens. 586 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,360 Is that what you call it? 587 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,360 Pents. 588 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,360 Just pens. 589 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,160 Yeah, just a few pens. 590 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,080 And then I will, I will inject that. 591 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,960 I will, I will export it out of my ledger somehow. 592 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:11,960 I'll figure it out. 593 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,720 I'll break it down to get that seed phrase to shove it into a random ass fucking airdrop 594 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:16,720 wallet. 595 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:17,720 Yeah. 596 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:23,200 So, the entry on this stash thing, Tor, who embezzled money, I think it was, from the 597 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,200 Seeker Foundation. 598 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,400 He was the founder of Seeker Foundation. 599 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,400 Oh, yeah, right. 600 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,560 He's like the president or the CEO of Stash App. 601 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,120 And he came in and was like, Hey, this is getting really good. 602 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,040 Like people really like this on Testnet. 603 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,840 I don't see what the problem is. 604 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,360 It's all good. 605 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,240 Well, that is an insane reaction. 606 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:44,240 Yeah. 607 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,240 Yeah, it's fine. 608 00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:50,360 I mean, when people make money, you say, because you think he's being imprisoned or 609 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:51,360 something. 610 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,360 Yeah. 611 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,080 I think, I think they decided to drop it. 612 00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:01,760 I guess the takeaway there is when the money's actually not worth anything, people are willing 613 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,200 to put their seed phrase in anything. 614 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,720 So you can draw your conclusion forward. 615 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:08,760 If Testnet and Mainnet are close. 616 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,040 So what he's basically saying is that it's fine. 617 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,800 Because Testnet and Mainnet are the same thing. 618 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:14,800 Okay. 619 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,800 Here's the quote. 620 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:16,800 I had to go find it. 621 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,760 So far, the feedback has been really positive from New Year's and early testers. 622 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,160 So I'm not sure what you think the issue is. 623 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,000 Let me know if there's improvements you can suggest. 624 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,080 And David says, from now on, you have to hollow your seed phrase to get air drops. 625 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,080 Perfect. 626 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,080 Let's get some music. 627 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,080 No, let's get some music. 628 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,360 Let's get some music up here. 629 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:37,360 Let's go. 630 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,360 That shit will be on the blockchain forever. 631 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:45,280 Let's get some movement going. 632 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,360 Is wind's toast now? 633 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:52,000 You know, I was saying before, when when Schultz said wind, I totally forgot that existed. 634 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,640 Like I had to, I was like, oh yeah, shit. 635 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,640 I forgot all about that. 636 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,760 Like that's my point, man. 637 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,520 It's actually a well done thing. 638 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,240 But yeah, people forget. 639 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:05,200 Well, honestly, it has a bit of a Pied Piper structure to it though. 640 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,200 It does. 641 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:12,200 Like actually even even the images on the page, even the images on the page kind of remind 642 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,360 me of a bit of a Pied Piper thing. 643 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,000 So it's not the coolest thing in the universe. 644 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:24,680 I've seen the Pied Piper 10th anniversary reunion documentary from HBO. 645 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,800 Are we talking Pied Piper like from Silicon Valley? 646 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 647 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,520 Yeah, but look here, I'm going to save a screenshot of something I just pulled off their exact 648 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,520 webpage. 649 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,720 But yeah, like it has that a little bit of that, I don't know, it has a little bit of 650 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,720 that piece to it, I guess. 651 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,080 It's kind of weird. 652 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:53,200 So Romer in the chat while you serve as screenshotting, whatever, asks, can we bring back Juno Swap 653 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,480 or nah, just without a token? 654 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,560 Well, I mean, wasn't Wind a better Juno Swap? 655 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,600 So wouldn't it make more sense to bring back Wind without? 656 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,080 I literally just pulled this off the Wind out site. 657 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,480 Like it is in the lower corner. 658 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,240 It is literally a Wind Pied Piper. 659 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,520 I mean, it kind of looks, it's the same colors and everything else. 660 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,520 I mean, that's amazing. 661 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,200 All right, maybe I'll find it. 662 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:25,240 It looks like, you know, so recently, the thing I mentioned that I've been recovering 663 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:29,920 some miniatures that I built when I was a teenager and I've been watching YouTube videos 664 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,160 on painting and stuff to get up speed on doing these. 665 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,720 So I mainly do other stuff, whatever, not important. 666 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:42,440 That image looks like when you click on the YouTube video of I found some of my teenage 667 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,360 Warhammer in a cupboard. 668 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,040 Look how roast my paint job. 669 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,520 That is what that looks like. 670 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,360 It's like, look at my fucking high elf. 671 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,640 It's literally what it is. 672 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:53,640 Oh my God. 673 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,280 It's like a weird block green. 674 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,160 It's got no gradient to it. 675 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,120 Looks, you know, looks very fake. 676 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,120 That lighting effect. 677 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,120 Oh my goodness. 678 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,600 This is the longest news segment we've ever had. 679 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,640 Um, five six minutes. 680 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,440 So wait, hang on a fucking second. 681 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,360 So we've covered stash. 682 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,280 Are we going to talk about the Jacob Jack drama? 683 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,160 Yeah, we probably should. 684 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,320 I don't know if we should. 685 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,360 Well, what is the what is a Jacob Jack? 686 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,600 Happy to let that just blow over. 687 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,840 Well, it's just the eye of Sauron, right? 688 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,160 Just fucking cast as well as it. 689 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:41,360 And sometimes you just happen to be like, you just out, you know, walk into the shops. 690 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:46,040 You need to get some, yeah, hobbit milk, whatever the fuck people do when they go to the shops 691 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,840 in the, in the middle earth. 692 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,680 And the eye of Sauron, just the lights on you, man. 693 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,600 And you're just like, yeah, and some hobbit jerky. 694 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:55,600 There you go. 695 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,600 That's probably more of a thing. 696 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,600 Right. 697 00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:58,600 Yeah. 698 00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:59,600 Yeah. 699 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,400 So that's a key made of habits or is that hobbit jerky as people. 700 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,880 Have a jerky with me, jerky made of beef jerky is made of beef. 701 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,320 So have a jerky is made of hobbit jerky. 702 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,880 Hobbit jerky is hobbits. 703 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:11,880 Yeah. 704 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,160 There was this whole campaign. 705 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,760 I know it's not cool anymore to eat hobbit jerky, but it's so tasty. 706 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,520 It's the one thing I can't kick. 707 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,120 Anyway, so you're out to get your pipe weed, right? 708 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,720 And the eye of Sauron just fucking coast pass. 709 00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:27,800 And you're just like, whoa, that was a, that was a near miss. 710 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,720 And then it starts coasting back and you're like, fucking maybe today. 711 00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:33,680 Today is the day I get Jacob. 712 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:34,680 That was, that was Jack. 713 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:40,240 He was just out to buy his pipe weed, you know, maybe visit the, the prancing pony 714 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:45,280 and, and, and get in some pints with the lads, you know, just let it go past. 715 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,280 It was some crack. 716 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,360 I hear the crack was 90. 717 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:54,960 But, but no, instead, instead the eye of Sauron fucking descended. 718 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,880 I will say one thing on it. 719 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:04,520 And that is just that I don't understand like why there's such a like propensity to go straight 720 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,960 to Twitter and air all this laundry. 721 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:13,000 That's the, like, if I have a bad thought about someone, I'll either DM them my bad 722 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,360 thought or I'll just go in my mind. 723 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,360 Geez, that guy's a bit of a cunt or I don't like what they're doing and then get right 724 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,480 the fuck on with my day because I ain't got time to worry about that shit. 725 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:31,840 But some people just seem to fucking sit there and see them stuff and just bash it all out 726 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:32,840 on Twitter. 727 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:33,840 It makes no sense to me. 728 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,320 I think when the majority of your engineering workload is like go more tidy, then maybe 729 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:44,840 you have a lot of time to fucking, to fucking sit on Twitter and just waste other people's 730 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,000 time and emotional energy. 731 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,720 Whereas like the rest of us are busy like running businesses, doing taxes, speaking to our accountants, 732 00:55:52,720 --> 00:56:01,600 writing code, managing nodes, writing blog posts, thinking about the future of the Internet, 733 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,160 maybe working towards that rather than just jerking off 24 seven. 734 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,960 See, now this is what makes us different. 735 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:16,000 The views expressed by the fray do not respect the total views of Gamer Nodes or the Gamer 736 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,920 Nodes family or the Gamer Nodes or other people are respected. 737 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,920 Did you say jerking off in there? 738 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,920 It's horrible. 739 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:31,240 At this point, fucking like honestly, chase me out of the cosmos as a business. 740 00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:32,840 That would be annoying for us. 741 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,360 I'm just, I'm just so fucking over it. 742 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,360 That's how it is. 743 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:42,280 It's probably a good, a good point to say a bit of Game of Nodes presenting you. 744 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,800 I'm actually going off to do a PhD. 745 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,240 By the way, let me cut in just one second. 746 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:52,120 Our Gamer Nodes shirt is just going to have a carrot and says, go mod tidy with our Gamer 747 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,120 Nodes logo. 748 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,320 That's our fucking shirt. 749 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,120 That shirt is fucking awesome. 750 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,920 We agree on that. 751 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,880 Just a simple, just a simple carrot, go mod tidy with Gamer Nodes on it. 752 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,880 Can we, that's awesome. 753 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,840 That shirt, we fucking awesome. 754 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,720 Just one color. 755 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:10,720 I will face it. 756 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:14,040 Go mod tidy with like, with just a little G1. 757 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,440 Oh, dude, I'm on it. 758 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,440 We could do it off the show. 759 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:18,440 We could do it on the group. 760 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:19,440 I love it, dude. 761 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,920 I would wear that every day. 762 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,760 I wear that at the Cosmos conference. 763 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,600 I love shirts with like, like really random fucking deep references. 764 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:29,600 Not this one. 765 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:30,600 This one says nerd. 766 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,720 But, but I do like ones that, that like that, and that would be, that's a good, that's a 767 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:35,720 good Game of Nodes shirt. 768 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:36,720 All right. 769 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,720 Yesterday, I was wearing my favorite Gamer Nodes merch. 770 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,440 My favorite t-shirt of that variant was one I was wearing yesterday, which has dragon 771 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:50,280 sound on it, and it is, it is an exact replica. 772 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,160 I'm not even sure if this has ever been commercially available anywhere. 773 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,760 I have the sneaking suspicion that my friend who has ADHD was the one who gave it to me 774 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:03,880 as a secret Santa and specifically photoshopped it and got it printed for me. 775 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:09,480 But it's, I think we've talked about the amazing, amazing film, Miami Connection, the amazing 776 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:10,480 Kung Fu. 777 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,680 It's actually Taekwondo film, Miami Connection on the show before. 778 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:20,600 The band that's in it, the really 80s band with all the fucking 40 year old Kung Fu, 779 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:25,040 the martial arts trainers that are supposed to be teenagers is called Dragon Sound. 780 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,360 And they have their own merch in film. 781 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,080 It doesn't exist in the real world. 782 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,840 And somebody made me one of those t-shirts and it's like the D is the deepest reference 783 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,120 to a film that was out of privilege for 20 years. 784 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:41,560 Odie ever showed three cinemas before it was refound literally 25 years later. 785 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:47,560 And it's just literally what one of the characters is wearing on stage because it's his own band. 786 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,160 And people are just like, what is that? 787 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,760 Is that like some duty martial arts? 788 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,200 You're like, no, this is a stupid ninja. 789 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,200 I love it. 790 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,200 Yeah. 791 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,200 That's my favorite. 792 00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,200 Oh, all right. 793 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,640 You were saying something else, but boy, I love that idea. 794 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:01,640 Yeah. 795 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:02,640 We should do that t-shirt. 796 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,760 And to be honest, no with Vito is rad as well. 797 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:05,760 We finish off. 798 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,480 We have a lot of good ideas. 799 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,120 We just don't follow through like everything else in my life. 800 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,120 People have great ideas. 801 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,040 Like literally everything else in my whole life. 802 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,520 Well, now we have a DAO. 803 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,400 You see, we can actually like get it printed. 804 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,840 Oh, we need to we need to take some actions on that DAO actually. 805 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,400 You need to get some hot towel action. 806 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,400 Yeah. 807 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,080 I mean, like we kind of need to put some money in there to pay Rama. 808 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,760 So, all right. 809 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,720 This isn't we're not saying we're not saying. 810 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,080 Well, I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about our first business. 811 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,760 Our first sponsoring our first business sponsoring opportunity that we're taking advantage of 812 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,760 in the United States. 813 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:43,760 Yeah, that's true. 814 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:44,760 Yeah. 815 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:45,760 Yeah, that's coming in November. 816 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,480 So you guys are flying in for that, right? 817 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,720 Is that what's happening? 818 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,760 We probably do need to put some USDC in there. 819 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,520 So I guess we'll have to use piss around with the axelar bridge and blah, blah, blah. 820 00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:00,240 And is there a sweet way of just getting USDC into Cosmos now that isn't as painful 821 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,240 as that? 822 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,240 Yeah, going for it when I was Moses. 823 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,240 Is that happening? 824 01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:06,240 Like why is it? 825 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,240 What's the weight? 826 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,360 Do we know what that would be the circle? 827 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,360 That would be a novel. 828 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:12,360 Yeah, noble, right? 829 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:13,360 I don't know. 830 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,280 It's been live for like three months, four months, something like that. 831 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,200 Well, so they were raising money fairly recently. 832 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,560 It just closed. 833 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,760 So I guess they're trying to do something new. 834 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:24,760 I'm not sure. 835 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:25,760 Oh, yeah. 836 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:26,960 And Ben said USDT and Kava. 837 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:27,960 Yeah, we know about that. 838 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:28,960 Yeah. 839 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,160 That's right. 840 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:39,160 So no, I saw some proposals around to add USDC USDT to various chains for our governance. 841 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,000 I think it was the last one I saw. 842 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,720 I have no idea what they're trying to get. 843 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,280 They're trying to get USDC native on that. 844 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,280 Most of that we said USDT. 845 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,600 Oh, you start all I think it's starting to progress, right? 846 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:50,600 Yeah. 847 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,600 Okay. 848 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:52,600 I have some weird news for you guys. 849 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,400 If you want to hear it, this is outside the Cosmos. 850 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,640 So near who I stand for, I think they're great. 851 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:06,760 They are actually transitioning all of their funding from developers to developing a governance 852 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,600 kind of module. 853 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,600 And they're like, this can be great. 854 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,000 We're going to have a lot of really active people and it's not going to be toxic at all. 855 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:19,680 And so Twitter lately has been blowing up about it because one of their guys, Joe from 856 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,600 ReadyLayerOne, he made a post about it. 857 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,040 And he's like, listen, we were developing this thing and they sucked funding dry in 858 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,480 order to put it towards governance. 859 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,880 And like, here's the issues with governance that we're going to see. 860 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,400 And, you know, this is what we see in other ecosystems. 861 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,880 We don't think it's quite, we're not, we're not to that point yet. 862 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,840 And so the near Twitter has been a shitstorm around. 863 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,160 You don't understand governance like developers. 864 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,400 There've been enough funding towards that. 865 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,160 And it's been, it's been absolutely fascinating. 866 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:50,480 I say, Zerper, one of the, one of the original threads on it, but it's just exploded everywhere 867 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,120 at this point. 868 01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:57,000 So we get to look forward to more governance toxicity and other ecosystems here soon. 869 01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,000 Yeah. 870 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:03,240 I was going to say, when, when apps finish is bringing in dows, they're going to have 871 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,360 a fun, fun party time. 872 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,600 I guess the real, I guess the real question is how do we IBC governance to all different 873 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:10,600 ecosystems? 874 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:11,600 Right? 875 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:12,600 That's really, maybe just make it right in. 876 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:19,720 Go and just ruin every other ecosystem by introducing governance to it and then everything 877 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,280 will be bad everywhere. 878 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:28,000 And then everybody would just be like, well, okay, here we go. 879 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,000 Yeah. 880 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,000 Something like that. 881 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,000 I mean, it's kind of ironic, isn't it? 882 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,080 Because you would think that governance would help solve things, but it really just kind 883 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,240 of like flushes things down the toilet. 884 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,120 There's a certain point where like the benevolent dictator is the way to go. 885 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,320 And like, I don't think we're past the point where the benevolent dictator, like we're 886 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,760 not, we're not past the blend of benevolent dictator stage. 887 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,240 I don't think in crypto. 888 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,600 So what you're saying is, so, okay, interesting. 889 01:02:53,600 --> 01:03:01,040 So, so short C is, is maybe somewhere between the classical Marxist and Stalinist. 890 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,840 So we're, we're a dictatorship, dictatorship of the proletariat, but we don't think the 891 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:10,000 proletariat are sensible enough yet to transition to full communism. 892 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,240 Good to know. 893 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,240 Thank you. 894 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:17,360 You heard it here first. 895 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:23,320 This insurrection starts on game of, I don't have a pun for communist insurrection game 896 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:29,760 of was there a major communist thinker that had a name beginning with N. I'm just thinking 897 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,920 I just stuck on Trotsky and Lenin. 898 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,400 Obviously, no, don't help us at all for the purposes of a six-sync one liner to wrap up 899 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:38,400 that joke. 900 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,480 Anyway, I stand by what I said. 901 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:43,480 Yeah. 902 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:49,800 I was watching the 10 hour loop of Marshal Zuchov taking off his coat from the death 903 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:54,080 of Stalin the other day, and it is genuinely mesmerizing. 904 01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,800 That doesn't segue into our news section at all. 905 01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,680 So anyway, the point to finish my, my little news thing. 906 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:07,600 So I am going to in a month or so be starting PhD, which is going to take a very, very long 907 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:08,920 time, part time, I should add. 908 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:17,400 So you're not getting rid of me, but we'll be working on digital cash. 909 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,760 What's your official title when you become doctor? 910 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,200 Is it going to be Dr. Frey or Dr. Vafre? 911 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:32,160 I will drop the and switch from a genderless honorific to doctor, another gender genderless, 912 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,120 but more socially elevated honorific. 913 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,360 Thank the gods. 914 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,440 I cannot wait for that to happen five years from now. 915 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,280 Also, Dr. Frey kind of rhymes with Dr. Dre. 916 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:48,960 And apart from the spouse of abuse, obviously quite a creative force, but can you, can you 917 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,600 separate artists from the person? 918 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:53,600 Possibly not. 919 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:59,720 Can you, like, can you just in anticipation of your great success, just fucking change 920 01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:00,720 it now? 921 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,560 No, not for five years. 922 01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,000 For five years, in fact. 923 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,640 What about master Frey? 924 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,320 Can we do, can we both master Frey? 925 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:19,920 I could watch these stretch to a masters in about two years, assuming I passed my Viva. 926 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,560 So it's going to be an ever evolving situation on Game of Nodes. 927 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:30,600 So but, you know, they say they say it takes a, it takes a village to raise a baby, right? 928 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,320 Which I'm fucking 100% learning by the way. 929 01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:39,120 But I think it also takes, it takes a whole podcast to raise a PhD thesis proposal because 930 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:46,080 it actually has had input, I think, from everybody on this chat with possible exception of Null, 931 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,440 who simply said, I'm not sure why you want to do that. 932 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,920 That's a lot of work for not much outcome. 933 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,320 I mean, I thought that as well. 934 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:56,640 I appreciate it. 935 01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:03,560 Yeah, there was definitely an outpour of admiration from all the people in the groupie, except 936 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:04,560 me. 937 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:09,280 Well, I don't want, I don't want, somebody, somebody once told me, I thought about this, 938 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,240 I, going back to business school, and I was like in my early 30s or something. 939 01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,160 And somebody said, go look at the syllabus. 940 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,480 And if you feel you could teach that class, don't fucking go take it. 941 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,800 And so I think same thing would happen here, like go do it instead, right? 942 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,000 Don't just get the, don't get, just get the MS or whatever else on top of it. 943 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,040 If you think you could be involved in teaching that, then don't do it. 944 01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:34,560 So I'm not sure what your thesis is and where it's going. 945 01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,160 And I'm not saying it's not going to be worthwhile because I think it would be worthwhile no 946 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,400 matter what. 947 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,400 But don't also underestimate your current capabilities. 948 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:42,400 Yeah. 949 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:47,040 I mean, I think also there is a, like there is a, we're at such an interesting point now 950 01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:54,680 where there's just going to have to be like a lot more, like I think we're kind of running 951 01:06:54,680 --> 01:07:00,200 out of road for the complete wild west period of blockchain. 952 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:06,760 And it's about to start getting interesting and like, you know, what, okay, okay, fine. 953 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,160 This thing exists is not going away. 954 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:10,160 What is it? 955 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,200 But what really is it? 956 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:18,600 And from a computer science perspective, I think one of the most useful things you can 957 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:25,240 do to go and work on actually making this party happen is to work out how the fuck digital 958 01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,720 cash and Fiat and stuff are actually going to interact with all this crap. 959 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:33,640 Because at the moment, fucking circle and all those well, circle jerks really, like 960 01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,920 it's, you know, don't fucking trust it. 961 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,040 Don't fucking like it. 962 01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,120 Not going to use it. 963 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:45,080 Most people probably same situation and you might in my opinion, like my humble opinion, 964 01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,080 right? 965 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,080 What the fuck do I know? 966 01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:51,640 All I know is it takes one of those guys to get caught with their pants down and that 967 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:52,640 is it. 968 01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,920 That is going to be the final fucking regulation ban hammer in every western country. 969 01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,040 It's there on fucking thin ice. 970 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,200 Saulty fray is so fucking fun, man. 971 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,480 I love salty fray. 972 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,360 It is like, it is like a totally different show. 973 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:12,040 It's like, it's just the demeanor of just like this. 974 01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,680 If you don't need to, if you're not going to say anything nice, don't say anything at 975 01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:20,200 all has for some reason slipped this evening a little bit. 976 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,800 It's early trademark has now slowly slipped into a fucking. 977 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,520 You know what I think happened? 978 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:31,400 I was staying in the Sabi and B wrote for a couple of nights and the bed was so uncomfortable 979 01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,720 and also like the baby was there and they kind of have to see you at eye level. 980 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,800 The room layout was weird, blah, blah, blah, blah, end up having to basically sleep on 981 01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:39,800 the floor. 982 01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,560 I'm pretty good at sleeping kind of anywhere. 983 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,200 So it's not a big deal, but I was like, holy shit, I'm fucking getting old. 984 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,240 Like, like sleeping on a floor is something that I'm just like, I'm not a fussy person. 985 01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:55,240 This was the first time in my life I slept on the floor and then woke up in the morning 986 01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,520 was like, fuck, I'm bruised and shit and feel achy. 987 01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:06,120 And I get the same when we go hiking, like sleeping on that little fucking mattress thing 988 01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,000 with this fucking blow up pillow. 989 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,520 It's just fucked. 990 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:16,960 And this was like on the wooden floor with a pillow. 991 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,360 Oh, that's fucked. 992 01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:19,360 I refuse. 993 01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:20,360 Can't do it. 994 01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,920 But I remember back to college, man, I could fall asleep on the fucking in the curb and 995 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:24,920 it'd be fun. 996 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:25,920 Yeah, 100%. 997 01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:26,920 Right. 998 01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:28,720 So I was just like, I was like, ah, god damn, I get it on stuff. 999 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:34,920 And then it was a bit grouchy and then got home and then suddenly you suddenly get a fucking 1000 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:39,520 actual bed and you just actually sleep well, six hours because you've got a baby. 1001 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:46,720 And I was like, oh my god, this is what it's like to feel rested for the first time in like 1002 01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:47,880 a few days. 1003 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,720 So maybe it's just that I'm in a good mood today. 1004 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:50,720 I'm in a pretty good mood. 1005 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,840 So maybe I've become maybe I'm a fucking prick when I'm in a good mood. 1006 01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:54,840 Maybe that's the. 1007 01:09:54,840 --> 01:10:02,520 That's where the fuck Cosmos had a future, but no or the phrase sleeps on the wood floor 1008 01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,520 for one night and it's fucking. 1009 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:09,520 It's a circle jerk. 1010 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,520 No, no, no. 1011 01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:17,920 Now, I be IBC is very much GMI, a big fan of IBC. 1012 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:25,400 I mean, I actually genuinely think out of all of the current protocols for shuffling around 1013 01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:29,520 shitcoins, IBC is kind of top of the pack. 1014 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:38,120 And if I was I just think it is mad that that their government seriously working on working 1015 01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:45,560 digital currency that are not to my knowledge, considering using IBC as the protocol or designing 1016 01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,600 around that or, you know, whatever. 1017 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,520 It seems like a very obvious this is already worked sort of in production. 1018 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1019 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,680 So hey, you know what? 1020 01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:57,680 I have a way this. 1021 01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:03,240 I mean, this this is this episode, I don't know, but I have a way to turn it around. 1022 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,240 It's about time, right? 1023 01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:05,240 It's a time. 1024 01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,520 It's probably as you know, shit. 1025 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:08,520 Oh, shit. 1026 01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,080 Now you like banners. 1027 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,240 Fuckin' banters up to the. 1028 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:12,240 No, now you're like. 1029 01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,240 I like. 1030 01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,240 I'm a hater. 1031 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,080 You don't agree with my randomness. 1032 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:20,680 I'm going to slowly turn the pages and you get to pick the page and the number. 1033 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,440 OK, pick the pick the Cosmos section. 1034 01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:25,480 It's the whole Cosmos section. 1035 01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:29,240 OK, which which number on the left or the right page? 1036 01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:30,240 Left page. 1037 01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:31,240 Yeah, number. 1038 01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,240 It's like a magic. 1039 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:33,240 You have a free choice. 1040 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:34,240 Five per page. 1041 01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:35,240 The number. 1042 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:36,240 So it's. 1043 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:37,240 Yeah, number three. 1044 01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,240 Seven six from there. 1045 01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,240 At battle at E.A. battlefield. 1046 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,240 And what's what's the subject? 1047 01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:47,240 Oh, sorry. 1048 01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,000 The subject is of course not gaming. 1049 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,240 I know you're somewhat of a pro gamer yourself. 1050 01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:56,520 So this this should all be very close to home, if anything. 1051 01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:04,680 So at battlefield user Garth underscore turds just read my address. 1052 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,480 Oh, hang on a second. 1053 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:07,480 Reading the wrong one. 1054 01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:09,160 You said third and you're not second. 1055 01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:10,160 He did. 1056 01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:11,160 He did. 1057 01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:12,160 He did. 1058 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,280 We would never know in that it wouldn't matter at all, but I appreciate the honesty. 1059 01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:16,280 Weirdly. 1060 01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:20,440 So number two and number three are actually a story. 1061 01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:21,440 They follow on. 1062 01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:26,120 I'm just going to continue reading number two and I'm going to read you number three. 1063 01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:32,960 So at battlefield user Garth underscore turds just read out my address online except replacing 1064 01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,880 the name of my town with toilet. 1065 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,120 My daughters are crying. 1066 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:42,760 So this went out to the one that you actually selected for me to read at battlefield user 1067 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:46,160 Garth underscore turds still has not been banned. 1068 01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,000 He's an utter nuisance. 1069 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,520 He's also using some kind of hack to make himself louder. 1070 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:57,880 Maybe we should cancel this segment. 1071 01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,920 I've actually realized all the story. 1072 01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:05,640 There are about another 10 with all related to Garth underscore. 1073 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:06,760 Garth underscore turds. 1074 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,680 This was clearly like a story arc in the drill world. 1075 01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:15,120 If for those following along at home, you can find this section on page 140. 1076 01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:22,880 If you'd like to find out what happened with Garth turds, this may have been pre threads, 1077 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,880 you know, before that was a thing, before people discovered the threat emoji. 1078 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,280 Hey, is swatting a thing outside of the US? 1079 01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:35,480 No, because we don't really have we don't just go and fucking shoot people generally. 1080 01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:40,520 Although obviously when we do shoot people, they are predominantly ethnic minorities and 1081 01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:46,120 black people because we still have a very deep problem with structural racism. 1082 01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,400 I mean, that's literally what happened in France the other week, wasn't it? 1083 01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,360 Like that is why there are massive riots, which is common across Europe. 1084 01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,320 So so it's a thing where it's just like, yeah, you can actually just get some random person 1085 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,960 killed is a lot harder to do. 1086 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,080 OK, that's what I thought. 1087 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,000 Yeah, you never heard of swatting now. 1088 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,480 Is that when you call the SWAT team to like someone's house? 1089 01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:08,760 Yeah, someone someone beats you at Call of Duty. 1090 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:13,040 And so you're like, that's it. I'm calling I'm calling the fuzz fucking that guy. 1091 01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:19,400 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even if they did do that in Australia, we wouldn't show up with an army. 1092 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:21,840 Nobody cares that much. 1093 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,760 You just go up with a kangaroo and a cat or forex. 1094 01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,200 Just it'd be like, oh, wall of the window. 1095 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,160 My partner has been asking questions. 1096 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,080 Apparently you've been rude online. 1097 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,960 The the plod response in Australia would be like the fat sergeant 1098 01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:42,600 with the bottom of his gut hanging out of his shirt, along with like the hot intern. 1099 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:48,680 And that'd be like we heard there was, you know, drugs here and weaponry. 1100 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,920 Can we have them? 1101 01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,920 What we can't. Oh, my goodness. 1102 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,800 First time in the Aber don't come after me, the plod. 1103 01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,120 I don't mean any harm. 1104 01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,360 The police are called the plod there. 1105 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,000 It's like a British term, I think. 1106 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,320 Yeah, it stands as a short PC plod, isn't it? 1107 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:14,840 So when my friend first told me he called them, he calls them the the plod and the rizza. 1108 01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:16,840 The rizza. The rizza. 1109 01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,960 Yeah, I can't remember the other thing that he calls them, but they're both funny, funny 1110 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:22,920 arse terms. I like the plod. 1111 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,080 It's nice. The plod. 1112 01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,280 I like the paddy wagon just for the undertones. 1113 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,880 The filth. The filth is the other one, isn't it? 1114 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,440 It's like the filth. That's a good one. 1115 01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:34,080 The roses. The roses. 1116 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,080 I don't know where the roses. 1117 01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,400 Yeah, the roses. That's pretty sad. 1118 01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:38,400 Yeah, that's sad. 1119 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,240 That's the end of London, I think again. 1120 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:41,280 Yeah, we don't know. 1121 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,400 And really uses that term here, except for him. 1122 01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,040 Oh, wait. Real time follow up. 1123 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,920 Ramas says, what if I drop this? 1124 01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,560 Would it extend the show draft proposal? 1125 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,200 Duality protocol merger a proposal on neutron form? 1126 01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,520 The answer to that is no. 1127 01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,520 No, it would not. 1128 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:56,760 Oh, there you go. 1129 01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:02,480 So I see Ben Davis has said PC plod is the character in naughty. 1130 01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:05,600 There you go. I was just assuming it was a reference to flat feet, but 1131 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,120 but that's not what was naughty. 1132 01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:08,720 Yeah, it's not. 1133 01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:09,360 Be there. 1134 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,360 OK, we're not easy to use TV program. 1135 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,120 Oh, OK. OK. 1136 01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,840 I got you. You don't have naughty. 1137 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,240 The name sounds familiar, but it might be similar to something else that we 1138 01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:19,040 made, I guess not. 1139 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,800 It's probably like fucking postman. 1140 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,960 Pat was like, you guys have Kiyu. 1141 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,400 You guys have that boy that gets a little bitch. 1142 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,160 Maybe you guys. 1143 01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:29,600 Do you guys have Tom's tank engine? 1144 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:30,920 You must have Thomas tank engine. 1145 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:31,920 Oh, yeah. 1146 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,520 Yeah, yeah. That just sucks. 1147 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:35,720 Oh, yeah. 1148 01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,920 You know, Thomas, the tank engine is based on this 1149 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,800 problem is we're getting to train facts here, but Thomas, the tank engine is 1150 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,240 based on the really small train that's on the Isle of Man. 1151 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,480 I don't know that on the Marlerman. 1152 01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:49,520 There's a really small as a small gauge railway that basically 1153 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:54,400 just goes from one little town to like the one other town in the Isle of Man. 1154 01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:56,760 I've been on it. It's really weird. 1155 01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,640 This is a really weird small train. 1156 01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,160 All I know about Thomas tank engine is it's like capitalist propaganda. 1157 01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:05,120 Yeah, very much. 1158 01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,160 But you know, I guess it kind of makes sense because the Isle of Man is just like 1159 01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,240 basically gambling and counseling and tax evasion. 1160 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,480 So, you know, they're pretty hyper capsules there. 1161 01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,120 And motorcycle racing, isn't that where the. 1162 01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,080 Yes, love that. 1163 01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,240 It's like cool racing. 1164 01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:22,560 Crazy, that thing. 1165 01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,200 I think say. 1166 01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:29,080 Might have this airdrop because stats are going fucking apeshit. 1167 01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:30,960 Yeah, they might have. 1168 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,040 Let's respond to the hashtag say scam. 1169 01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,600 Let's grab this last item of news here. 1170 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:37,880 Oh, what is it? 1171 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,120 You might just have enough time to crack it in as well. 1172 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:41,400 Fuck me. 1173 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,000 You know, there was more news. 1174 01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,280 I keep pressing control D, which apparently copies something to the fucking 1175 01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,120 thing below it. I was losing all the news anyway, 1176 01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:54,280 because you have to press control D over over this side to mute yourself. 1177 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,720 Right. And I keep pressing it in the spreadsheet and fucking everything up. 1178 01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:02,680 Anyway, so Rama says that friends.tech has been released, 1179 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,960 although I went to friends.tech and there is fucking nothing there. 1180 01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:11,160 But this is a platform on base, which if you don't know, 1181 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:17,880 coinpad, coinbase launchpad, launchpad, the launchpad. 1182 01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:24,800 The point of coinbase launchpad for the boomers. 1183 01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,200 Oh, friend.tech. 1184 01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:29,920 It's not friends.tech. 1185 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,080 Did he just come in and change it? 1186 01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:31,920 I think he did. 1187 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:32,760 Wait, wait, wait. 1188 01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,480 Rob is in OKR's sheet. 1189 01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,320 OK, we got to talk about permission control. 1190 01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,920 OK, so we used to talk about boundaries here, 1191 01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,880 but also on a more positive spin. 1192 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,680 This now proves to somebody outside the organ. 1193 01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,640 Outside the core DAO that there actually, in fact, 1194 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,080 has been a spreadsheet for a very long time, 1195 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,600 which I assume is, you know, it kind of sounds like it's part of the performance 1196 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,080 art of the whole experience, but there always has been a spreadsheet. 1197 01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:07,040 It's just that we're using the storage and retrieval, 1198 01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:08,080 which is all right. 1199 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,800 It remains a very sparsely used spreadsheet. 1200 01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:17,640 So the so the concept tokenization of crypto personalities 1201 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,720 where users can buy and sell shares of individuals. 1202 01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,440 The price of these shares is determined by supply and demand. 1203 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,440 I'm sorry, buy and sell what? 1204 01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:30,480 The shares of individuals. 1205 01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:31,080 What does that mean? 1206 01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:32,040 You can get a piece. 1207 01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:32,640 A piece of what? 1208 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,440 You buy and sell shares of an individual. 1209 01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:35,720 Is that like an NFT? 1210 01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:36,840 What are we talking about? 1211 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:37,640 What do you mean individual? 1212 01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:38,160 What? 1213 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,840 Tokenization of crypto personalities. 1214 01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,200 Okay. So yeah, you create an NFT of your person and then you talk you. 1215 01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,680 So like tokenization of cringe, cringe, 1216 01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:54,400 cringe, kryptonium, and you can like turn him into 20 pieces and then buy a piece. 1217 01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:59,760 So one of the features is owning these shares gives users the privilege 1218 01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:02,680 of a private chat with the respective individual. 1219 01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,680 Is this like human trafficking on chain? 1220 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:05,400 Yes. 1221 01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,080 Like what the fuck is this? 1222 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:07,880 I'm just thinking. 1223 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:10,440 Web three has gone too far. 1224 01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:11,600 Man, what is this? 1225 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,000 It's fucking weird. 1226 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,000 So is this a Coinbase product or this is just launching at base? 1227 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,720 So it's launching on base. 1228 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,080 It's not a Coinbase thing though, right? 1229 01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:26,000 Because, okay. 1230 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,360 So it's a Coinbase launchpad. 1231 01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:29,320 What does that mean? 1232 01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:33,880 It's just like a, you know, where they go and sell stuff. 1233 01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,800 Launchpad, isn't that where they raise these days? 1234 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,000 Instead of calling an ICO, they go to a launchpad. 1235 01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:39,720 Oh, I see. 1236 01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:40,560 So it's like it's there. 1237 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,480 One of their VC, it's one of their funded type of projects to get this chain 1238 01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:45,480 off the ground type of idea. 1239 01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,040 Who would fund this though? 1240 01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:49,680 Like Coinbase. 1241 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,800 I mean, if I were on that panel, I'd be like, no, thank you guys. 1242 01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,080 The marketplace for your friends. 1243 01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,480 That is an awful tagline. 1244 01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:04,240 It's kind of like going, hey, we spend the whole of web to essentially 1245 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:08,240 creating large social networks to monetize your entire life and collect 1246 01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:09,840 all the data we could about you. 1247 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:15,600 How about we also make us completely toxic by making you compete against 1248 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,520 each other and physically own each other. 1249 01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,320 It's by the way, not slavery. 1250 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:20,280 How dare you? 1251 01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:22,520 How dare you suggest such a thing? 1252 01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:24,360 We're actually very, very woke. 1253 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,040 We have like several minority employees. 1254 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:29,240 Do you know? 1255 01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:30,840 And my best friend is a minority. 1256 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:34,200 My best friend is actually you. 1257 01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,720 I know a lot of minorities. 1258 01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,320 Very racist. 1259 01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,680 And somebody was complaining to me the other day that Twitter X was really bad 1260 01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,360 because they couldn't send their friend a message anymore like a DM because 1261 01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,560 their friend had the tick and they didn't. 1262 01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,680 And I was like, oh, it sounds like Twitter's finally found product market 1263 01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,040 fit then because you need to pay them seven pounds 50. 1264 01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:59,840 And they were like, no, this is this is an equality issue because what if a 1265 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,560 you know, what if you'd be limiting access to like, I don't know, Somali 1266 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:05,400 refugee or something. 1267 01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,040 I was like, I think Somali refugee probably has other issues like, you know, 1268 01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,840 toxic racist government policy rather than, you know, tweeting on Twitter for 1269 01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:16,920 the likes and they're like, but they can't get their story across anymore. 1270 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:20,520 And I was like, I mean, I don't know how many do you follow? 1271 01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:21,480 Very weird. 1272 01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,640 The social media man is tripped. 1273 01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,680 But, but yeah, it's kind of weird because like you like on the one hand, 1274 01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,560 Elon has fucked Twitter, but on the other hand, he has actually got people to pay 1275 01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,080 for a thing, which. 1276 01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,360 But it has to be less of why there was making more. 1277 01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,040 It has to be less than before, though. 1278 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,280 I mean, I guess it has to be. 1279 01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,880 Yeah, it has to be like people have to pay for things eventually. 1280 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,360 Like things can't be free. 1281 01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,320 Yeah. How is that going to run forever by for nothing? 1282 01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:49,440 Fuck. 1283 01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:49,960 Now we are. 1284 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:51,880 That races are coming, baby. 1285 01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,840 How's only listed on an exchange that is dead. 1286 01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:00,360 So I don't know that you can actually even try to. 1287 01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:00,880 I guess. 1288 01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:05,480 Well, it's how live forever since we, the validators, are processing it. 1289 01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:06,520 Yeah. 1290 01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:12,720 How we live in perpetuity is how the real thing, if there's no interface to mess with it. 1291 01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,440 I mean, these are all valid questions because who knows? 1292 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,160 I'm not even clear 100 percent who's card the interface is on. 1293 01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:23,320 Maybe the Dowl pays for it. 1294 01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:24,480 Do we have to finish doing that? 1295 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:25,320 That might be. 1296 01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:26,320 We need to do that. 1297 01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:26,840 Yeah. 1298 01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,000 Can you make it CLI only? 1299 01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,800 Only how?