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Welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from Independent Validator Teams.
Hello, welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from Independent Validator Teams.
And now there's two.
And now there's two. That was surprising.
Fucking rugged right at the beginning of the show.
So to be, I mean, I didn't hallucinate that Shultzie was here a minute ago.
He was in fact the cast is reducing minute by minute.
Cool. Okay. So Null has been eaten by a crocodile and will not be returning to the podcast.
So we're going to have to do...
We're taking submissions for the fourth member of the band.
Taking submissions on that. No, no, no. We will come back to Null's knees corner in a second
when he figures out his presumably animal based troubles in Australia.
And in the meantime, have you been up to your supper? Where have you been?
It's going out. I know I've been out for two weeks.
I think it was a cigarette for a while, huh?
They did. I know. Stupid life getting in the way of things.
Yeah, it's been busy. I don't know.
Say launch this week. I know there's a bunch of drama I guess online about it,
but I don't really... I don't really... I think it's airdrop drama. So that doesn't...
Is there a really drama?
There is. I think... I think... I don't know why. I think they moved it or they were...
They said they wanted more time or something, but when people say that they want free things
and those free things don't happen, exactly when the free things are coming, I think maybe
you get angry. It could be more than that. I don't know. I don't really care.
But that is... It's live. And I guess it's been live for a while in all honesty. It's been live for
maybe since May, I think, is when that launched, although it's been obviously just kind of getting
ready. And I think the SEI team was working with different exchanges to get listed on those
exchanges. And so it was kind of an opportunity to launch... I guess you'd be able to launch
products and be able to launch a token and kind of have everything ready at once, which I think
is really nice actually. I mean, I don't really have an issue with that. I think that was quite good.
So it took a while to get to this point. It's been, like I said, maybe like four or five months
since we've been putting infrastructure and stuff like that towards it. But it's here. And so we've
been validating. We've been signing blocks. That's what we do around here is we sign blocks.
That's not much.
So no much for the song's work.
It's not much. That's true. So far it's not much.
Oh, so you're talking about the income. It's not much.
No, no, no. Well, actually, we haven't... I don't even know. Honestly, I haven't really looked. I
know that there is commission coming in. I know we see that, but I don't think there's any... I
think transfers are enabled. I know IBC is enabled because we run relayers on it. But I don't know if...
I don't know if there's a market or what else is going on. I haven't really looked. So
it might be something to look at eventually. But yeah, so that's good. And we've been running a
bunch of RPC and crap for that. So the usage is interesting because I think it's blocked in a ton.
I'm not sure if the... Because if you go to app.net, say, the IEO, I think it is.
That website is... You can see the swaps and those types of things that are available.
But as a US citizen, you can't use them. And so it gets blocked from here in the US. But it's also
a tremendous amount of countries where it is blocked, like Germany and France and a few other...
Like UK. I think it's... You can't use it in a bunch of other ones. So our RPC traffic is
about... Which is really interesting. It's about 70% Asia, which is like no other chain. So we have
a couple... We have some nodes out there, but it's mostly Singapore and Taiwan and a bunch of other
types of things. And then Europe is next. And there's no traffic out of the US, like zero.
So it's very inverse from the other ones. I know this is fascinating. Say RPC discussion,
hashtag. So yeah. So anyway, so it's here. I know there's a bunch of chains launching.
And Alex dropped off. I'm fighting cores cross-origin issues elsewhere and trying to help...
Yeah. Anyway, so that's kind of what's going on.
I'd be kind of curious. So, okay. So as your RPC, you obviously would see
a VPN coming in as not its original location, right? So I wonder how much is actually
coming from like the US because they'd have to be using VPN for it to register, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I mean, it's just a transaction. So
they would... That VPN IP address would be what would be hitting the endpoint, right? And that's
the one that would push it. So I can... Yeah. I think I could probably... I'm sure I could pull a list
of common VPN endpoints, right? Like Nord and this and that and try to get a list of what those would
be in IPv4 and IPv6 and kind of cross-reference them. I'm sure there's a shitload of VPN traffic,
right? There has to be. So it's actually... But usually those are... Honestly,
she'll say those are usually at least... Maybe it's more in my history. But usually those things
are end-pointed into Europe. I guess it could be anywhere, but yeah. Good point.
But in rightly... I mean, whatever... We have like almost zero North America traffic, which makes sense
since it's blocked there. But even the apps that are using the same network as a baseline,
we get some of that traffic as well. So... And yeah. So anyway, so it's just... It's pretty
interesting because usually we don't do much in terms... At least compared to other chains where
we run infrastructure where we know where the source is coming, those countries have been
historically extremely low-cosmos users. Like I could speak for Stargaze and other ones. Like,
I know what those percentages are and they're not very large. And this one is the exact opposite.
Like it is... So it's a bit... It's interesting from that perspective. And I don't know if that
means that would be... That's VPN traffic or it's just, hey, this is where the users are, but it's
cool. So what do you think the traffic is? Because the airdrop isn't actually available yet, right?
So what are people doing? Well, there's a bunch of... I don't know actually because that's a good
point. So we do have some traffic numbers for some projects that are using these endpoints.
So for example, like SparrowSwap is one of those. So I know that Sparrow is active. I can go to
their site. I can log in. I can do things. There are other projects that use the Say Foundation
endpoints and also the Say app itself that I know is... I believe those are all considered
part of... I don't even know how it's considered, to be honest, but I'm guessing it all works through
that same kind of country block. And that country block is purely website-based, right? It's not
anything... We're not like, we don't block any traffic. It doesn't matter where it's coming from.
So yeah, I don't know where the North America traffic is coming from, but we are certainly
getting a large amount out of other parts of the world. How many hits per second are you able to
get out of each node? Because I know Stargates, you're able to get like, what, a thousand hits per
second? No, more than that. Usually, yeah, maybe somewhere in there. Like a thousand... I think
I have the nodes, the actual nodes themselves, locked down to max out at 10,000 concurrent
connections, which is too much because I even have to open up TCP tables to allow that. But
that's probably too much. And so I can put a little bit on the balancer to allow it to hold
on to those before the other one is done. And so I can kind of... There's a little bit of controls
there to slow things down. But right now, I think anything over... I also don't think tendermint...
Just the stack itself is not really built for that amount of querying. So it kind of falls apart
pretty quick. But right now, for instance, as we're talking, we're about globally like 300
requests a second, which is totally... That's maybe like a third of what Stargates is all the time.
Stargates is usually about a thousand overall. Really? Constantly? Constantly. Yeah. And actually,
I mean, to that team's credit, they have significantly lowered the number of API hits
we're getting because Jorge and team have done a lot in terms of how they do caching and those
types of things. Cloudflare right now, as we're talking, is a flat 1500 a second. So that is
an average of 320 million a week, which is pretty bitchin', actually. That's a huge amount. That's
a lot of traffic. I mean, I'd love to see... This would be a really shitty metric, but like
RPC metrics compared to market cap. Stargates, I know that they have pretty decent usage,
but the market cap is quite low. They do. It's such a fascinating metric to see that.
Because it could be a decent and okay metric for utilization.
Yes. Well, the other thing is too, in NFT marketplaces, the number of requests to build a page
is pretty high because you're querying the chain for all the NFT data as you're getting the list
of all these types of things. If I go to the Bad Kids page, some of that is cash, but you're still
pulling a list of what I own. You're pulling a list of metadata associated with it. And then on top
of that, these requests also count the IPFS structure too, which is pulling in the metadata
for the actual IPFS collection. And then all the IPFS stuff is cashed in Cloudflare. So that gets
counted in terms of the request per second, but not doesn't come back to the load balancers.
So like for instance, Cloudflare right now is about 1400 requests a second, but only 700 of that
get back to the actual nodes. So the other 700 are handled from image management and all those
types of things. So it's a pretty busy chain from that perspective because I think it takes a lot.
I don't know, I haven't done it, but I mean, they've done a lot work here, but there's a lot of
queries that build a web page, right, from a Web3 perspective. You're not just like, you know,
select all from some table. The versus like DeFi, DeFi, the number of queries to build a page, I
think are pretty low. So that the like, like the average number of unique visitors per second on
say, I'm sorry, on Stargaze right now versus say is about half. Okay, so half number, there's a
half number concurrent unique users, visitors per second, there's twice as many on say, but
one eighth as much traffic in terms of requests. So that means so every page that I'm looking at in
say or for any sort of DAP, right, the number of requests to be able to do a transaction,
it's eight times as many on the NFT marketplace. That's that's a good way of saying it. That's
actually that's a valid, that's a that's a pretty reasonable type of number based on what we see.
So, and there's just just more graphics, right? I mean, you have a bunch of shit and you have
all these collections and you know, I think it makes sense, right? You that you have to do a
bunch of queries to be able to get it out. And so, but I think queries per market cap would be
would be interesting. I wonder what also about bots, I doubt there are a lot of bots right now
for say so far, right? Whereas Stargaze, I'm pretty sure there's a handful of bots that like,
you know, they always track whenever new bad kids is sold, or, you know, check the
the bottom price, whatever it's called that floor price, the floor price, I never remember the
terminology. Yeah, right. I mean, I don't know if I trust Stargaze, if you trust Cloudflare and
what they say, they say right now, let's say it's 32% automated, 12% likely human.
It tells you that 54% likely automated. So, wow, it knows. I'm not sure how it's doing that analysis.
It might be stuff of like, what the refers are, or the agent string, it might be based off of
the concurrency, but there is some shit associated like they do some work in there.
And so, according to that, it says that, but again, that they're also they handle like regular
web traffic and shit, I'm only talking API's right. So, if I said, hey, this is an API,
maybe those numbers would change, you know what I mean? Because, because it's kind of built to
handle anything, but we're only uses for API data, API traffic. So, but it kind of thinks, I mean,
it has an idea, I could look at Stargaze too, I could take a look at that, I bet you it's,
well, actually, I don't know, because they're, we break up the domains by API versus not API there
as well. But, but yeah, so it's, I'm guessing, I think you're right, though, I'm guessing there's
a decent amount of bot traffic that's coming in through, through there. Oh yeah, there it says,
let's see, or HREX it by time too. So, he has automated of, let's see, human is,
yeah, only about maybe 20% of things. And the rest of it is verified bot, likely automated.
But again, it's API traffic on this one. So, who knows, like, I know, you know,
it's weird. How many requests are you doing? On what? On say? Yeah. We, right now, it's about
200 and about 275, 300 a second on there. So, in the last 20, 8 to 10 million a day,
15.7 million in the last day. 15, okay. Yeah, about 16 million. And, and, and, so right now,
out of that, it is about 65% out of Asia, 27% out of Europe, and about 25% overall out of Singapore.
And another 15% out of Taiwan. So, it's very Asia, Asia, very Asia specific.
There's a lot of countries blocked out of the air drops.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's not happening yet. So, I'm assuming that this traffic will
increase greatly when that happens. Although, I mean, there's a lot of apps that use this
toolset. So, I don't even know how it's going to happen. So,
man, during the, during the Atlantic test net, like our RPCs were taking 200, 250 million requests
a day. Yeah. Yeah, well, there, I mean, there were spamming the heck out of that. Yeah. Yeah.
But yeah, we haven't like through the roof though. So, yeah. And we're, I mean, I'm, I mean, this is
a, this is a service that we're providing, right? So, I like, I keep lowering the, the, I'm pretty
brutal on the, on the 429s right now. So, I'm, I'm blocking like, like, I'm serving a full of
20 no ends. I was, I was, I'm serving mostly 429s. I was, I was saying that like, I was going to try
to allow public main net about 50,000 requests a day. And honestly, I don't even see that's
worth it because the ones that I'm seeing are, it's just garbage traffic, right? It's just
from one IP address and 40,000 requests. So, now I have it, I think I'm limiting it to 10 requests
a minute, 10 requests over 10 seconds and I block for a minute and whatever else. So, I'm just 429s
to 100 people. And then I give out, I'm giving out API keys to projects that need them, right?
Yeah. So, I guess like you're, I mean, it's a, it's a weird spot you're in because you're sort of
like the main purpose of that, right? Is, is as a contracted provider for a foundation.
Correct. That's right.
And then you, yeah, I guess you, you need to put on some private clients as well. Like we have,
we just have ours is only private. So, there's like no, no public traffic at all. But
like I've been tossing out whether or not to actually put on the free public
RPC like we do for most of the other networks. I think it probably will, but in the, in the
interest of, you know, the, the health of that will probably put some sort of rate limiter, I guess.
We don't rate limit any of the other networks that we have free RPC for.
Really?
And yeah, none of them really get too much of a hiding like they handle the traffic just for,
I really didn't know how much traffic and node could handle until the Atlantic to
test it and they can take a lot of traffic.
I think we were talking about the four before you joined like she was asking,
like I think for us, we were getting, I think once it gets to be like a thousand requests
a second per node, it really starts to like it falls off fast. You know what I mean? Like it
just starts to shit the bed a little bit and then like them, like it just has it. So,
depending on what the requests are, but yeah, true.
Like binary issues aside, which we had in the test net, when, when everything was running well
and the nodes were reasonably fresh, like three to four thousand requests per second was achievable.
So, and that's, that's a fair bit.
I guess, I guess it does depend on what, I mean, transactions in a way, transactions,
it, the transactions a single node, it is a very small number we saw, but like basic queries,
like balances, yeah, like contracts, requests. Yeah, you can take a fair bit. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Not sure about the, the transactions because it's actually quite hard to determine
what a transaction is because some of the projects just like they're querying through posts instead
of gets. So it gets like, you can't figure out what the hell they're querying.
Right. Right. Especially if it's going through RPC. So, but yeah, it's certainly been like
eye-opening anyway. I don't know if, if say has actually done anything different to make the
performance better, but it seems like they can take a fair bit of abuse.
Yeah. I don't know if they have, because I asked, actually I sent knowing that, that we're spot,
like we're helping with some of the foundation. I sent like all our node configs. I said,
this is how I'm running it. So like I've made over chain, like over time, I've made changes to
like that, like specifically the IAVL cache or like what we're doing on the Wasm side and,
and when that's appropriate. Like, like, so we've done a little bit of tweaking in those configs
to based on other history that we've had, right? And so I sent that over to them say,
like, this is what my plan is. And you guys have any, because, you know, we've done a
research on this or like worked on it all. So I didn't get much feedback out of that, but, but,
but I'm hoping that, that, you know, we haven't really pushed these, these nodes to the limit yet.
So I'm hoping to see kind of how it works. I'm just, I'm actually working with somebody. The only
issue we've had, honestly, is I've had a lot of projects, I don't understand core as well enough,
I just don't understand it. And it's like, it seems like a black art, I fucking hate it.
But we have a lot of projects that they have, they're, they're hitting AP, they're hitting our
API endpoints. And then I, on the back end, I, maybe somebody who's listening might know this,
but on the back end, I write a, I have a web firewall rule or a web rule that basically a
transformer rule is really what it's called in there, that on the response header, I rewrite the
cores backwards to say, Hey, that if it hits any of these domain names, which are our domain names,
access control had allow headers to star access allow origin is star, allow methods is post get
head, head, or post get put head options like all the options, everything start out, right? So every
response coming back, those are there, which would mean that any browser would say, Oh,
this is totally fine, right? Because cores is really a client side thing. And then we had projects
that were using local host as the refer. So local host, Chrome, like rejects is a refer,
that's not a valid refer. And so, so Chrome itself blocks, if local host is the refer that is going
to a cores engine that allows star, this is fucking complicated. But so and there's like, I
found a couple pages on it, like, like the browser itself is that if the, if the refer
addresses local host, cores doesn't work, like it just fucking blocks it, because it's a work
around or something, I don't know. And so we have a bunch of projects that are had like local host in
their Vercel deployments and all that type of stuff. I'm trying to figure out how the fuck
does this happen? So anyway, so there some teams are struggling with that, I don't even know how
to help them, you're muted. Maybe they actually had local host, the client has it. But, but I think
it's a method of the web app to maybe set what the referring is, or maybe that that request needs to
be proxied somehow. I don't know. I don't know exactly what the, what the communication path
isn't that thing. Or like who's talking to what? Well, there's a bit of a jumble between front end
and back end on some of those JavaScript frameworks now, isn't there? So it does beg the question of
like configuration in terms of like, it's running on a box somewhere, presumably,
yeah, there's some additional config on that box, so they can have more than one application running
or something like that. And they've just fuzzed around with the cores headers to make everything
work. But, you know, just default. So like, an example of where the local host thing is necessary
is in development. So quite often, a default configuration option for cores in say a next app
would be to set local host plus, where it's going to come from. So like, you have to do this for
RPC endpoints in Cosmos. So if you run a local dev, maybe you don't anymore, but you're something
used to have to set the cores headers in the app.toml, like dynamically, like rewrite it when
you started the app, or started a chain so that your your next app could talk to it. And then
obviously, if you're just running it in a doc container on your laptop and exposing it to the
host, it's going to be local host. So you can do it. And you can visit you can actually even visit
that. But only when it's, I guess, served up in the end app, if you tried to just hit it
straight up, I guess it would blow up. I don't know. Yeah, that's a good question.
We have a team that does a lot of testing. And like I see local host coming through all the time
as a referrer, I haven't had any complaints. And maybe I should just get I mean, right now, I'm
trying to I'm specifically rewriting the cores headers on the outbound to allow star, like,
I like I'm trying to avoid what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to avoid any node specific
cores headers on those requests getting out, right? So I don't want to worry about what the
what the nodes are saying. Because right now, even I have I have star and all the nodes as well,
I don't give a shit, right? So I know that that's the problem. Don't do that. So in your
e talking about your config, Tom, it can be in the right. Yeah, go ahead. You can't write it
twice. Or it fucks up. You need to if you are rewriting the headers in your proxy, you need to
actually just take out any configuration for those in your config dot Tom. I can look at the
headers that are coming back, like I can curl the headers that are coming back from like a
request, though. And I can see there's like, like the headers look perfect. So I'm trying to figure
out like I'm looking at my now, Pager duty. Hello. Yeah, fucking Pager duty.
Wait, the phone going off too? Yeah, it could be. I don't. Yeah, there's a problem with
one of the test nets. Yesterday, it's stalled out. And they just gave us a new binary. And I
guess people are just putting it back on. But actually, this is my static saying that it's
running out of process. Too many, too many nodes. The test nets was this 2021. Pager
doing a test that's what are you doing? We we think now test nets are important.
And that's your Twitter profile.
King knows we think test notes are important. So we're writing we're rewriting the allow headers
allow methods allow origin and max age in what in control in on like a caddy server or something.
Yeah, from so we were rewriting that in the in the proxy, but all of our configs on the actual
nodes are all are blank. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think that's the case. I might have a I got
to look back on this config for sake of say is a little bit different because he uses that that
3.7 tenement thing. So it requires a little bit config on the answer will say.
I can't remember if it's star if it's this blank, I got to go look. But if I am double
writing it, you probably get rid of your problems, don't double write it and you'll get no problem.
But they are the same, right? So does it fucking matter?
I don't know. There's some people report that they get this double like there's an error that
comes through and it's like a, you know, something to do with double stars. And you just you can't
rewrite it twice. Well, you can't send it and then rewrite it. It does something. I don't know.
Okay. So what throws the error, but like whether that's there and use a software or whether it's
something in between it, but like we never get any errors on our side when we do it. But I know
that the clients have problems. So if we only do it once, we don't have problems. I forget what
the end that by default, it's what it's like. It's just like a two brackets, right? Oh, I've seen
that James said I've seen that error on say because of Ansible had to remove those second lines.
So what what we do is basically use a vanilla config and do like on the node and then do all of
our configuration in the proxy seems to work. Haven't had any complaints. Okay. I only have this one.
I mean, I only have I have had two teams that have that have had this course issue and they both
were sending local host. I know sending local host is a bad juju. So I know that's a problem.
And I know that star in the refer rejects that I know the browser says a local host doesn't count
and star. I know that I mean, I've looked at that multiple times. So I know that exists,
but this double thing I could be doing that. There's no doubt about it. This podcast is
becoming helpful. I don't understand. More to me than anybody else. Nobody gives a shit about this.
It's like, what are we doing here, man? What are we doing, man? Talking about node operations and
shit. Oh, it's time, baby. Who's done that? I refuse to participate in what in the corner?
It's your it's your segment. We carved out the segment for you. I mean, we have played
with content ideas and I now don't agree with the idea. I think that we should
change this around to have our subjects to hit for the potty.
Rather than fucking, it's too clunky. It makes me feel weird. All right. All right.
It's too clunky. Turn it off. It's Schultz's news corner. We're just making news.
Schultz's news corner. Oh, shit. Okay. Shush on Shnoos. Shush our corner. I can shoot with this.
This is my moment to shine. Okay. We have and we have we have topics this week too, right?
So much for my moment to shine. You interact so fine. I'm sorry. We have Rama on the case
and Rama is producing topics except the deal was with Rama is that he would produce the
subjects and some links and then we would review them on Wednesday so that we knew what was happening
for the potto. Yes. Today's Wednesday. Except he's provided the links and no one's reviewed them.
Actually, that's actually all me because I've just been completely fucking flat out.
I did. I did look at the links. Wait, what? Well, then where in the in the sheet to the off to the
right hand side. Shit. I do have some funny news. This is a bit. It's not really news news,
but it is quite funny. King notes has exited Mars as promised on the 15th of April. Congratulations.
Only for Rhino to take up the mantle. Wait, why? That means my delegations are getting
steak again. Sweet. No, I'm not. I'm not. You and needle cast both active now. Wait,
am I missing blocks? I don't know. If you get me slash, I'm going to be very upset.
Yeah, you're you're going to jail, bud. I thought, wait, why is there wait?
Why is there even a week on there? I thought it unsteady all that.
Well, you had a mistake with you to keep you in the active set. I never unsteady.
Are you the 13,000? I might be. Dude, I'm risking your I'm risking really
45 cents, man. I know that it's serious. I'm going to fuck it. Second.
You've come back in with a VP of 16,000. You bloody. Oh, wait, no, I'm at 4900.
Oh, I'm last in this list. 16,000. I wonder what that is. Wait, it just happened, right?
I only see. I actually see blocks that are not red. Are you bastard? Yeah, this morning.
How did you do this debate? Wait, it says self bonded 12,000. I have 12,000 Marston here.
That's how well I'm managing this business, folks. I told you the other day, I said,
when I unbund, you're going to be thrust into the limelight. I thought you were kidding. I honestly
thought you were kidding. This price actually on Mars is, it's only down 50%. It's a win.
In the last 12 hours. Man. Well, that's good in all those news corner information that right now
I'm missing blocks. And I think we've always been in the set because if we weren't making blocks,
monitoring would have gone up. But we are like, you're in, right? Yeah, we are.
Yeah, we are. Yeah, I mean, if somebody unbonds from us, then we can save $300 a month on that server.
You can unbond yourself, you know, I'm not even sure what we have.
Self-stake if anything. This chain really hasn't gone to plan. How's it?
Yeah, I don't really know. I don't know. I'd be interested to see. This would be something I'd
be interested to see like how many transactions and I don't know. I don't know if it's
self-stake or Mars. CoinGecko printing reds across the board yesterday. Juno under 20 cents.
Is it? Oh yeah, 19.4. It's got further to go probably. Most of the Cosmos has.
Yeah, it's actually been a pretty rough week overall. Aptos down a lot. Cosmos down 9% this week.
We are still 100% in bad territory, baby. Juno down 18%. Evmos another 13%.
Evmos 6 cents now.
Evmos 6 cents. Take a drink. Take a drink.
Evmos is, oh, 6 cents. 6 cents. Yeah.
Chainlinks are so high. Rewards at 3 bucks.
Bitcoin and Ethereum actually hold. Ethereum is down $1800 down to 2%, but everything else is
like way better. The moral of the story is cash out into 8. Well, actually, the moral of the story
is to cash out in fucking USD. Exactly. That inflation is only like 7%.
Hey, hindsight is 20-20, man. I love the crypto Cito videos. Or is always calling
USD is shit coin.
Yeah. When you get 5% on treasury bonds at the moment, that's pretty decent.
Is that what it's at right now? Yeah.
Your rewards for those T-bills are paid in shit coin.
According to crypto Cito, who I go to is for my fucking financial advice.
That's 100% of my financial advice.
Savage 1R, why does the say airdrop suck? I don't know. I don't have any.
I don't know either. I didn't even know that there was, I was talking to someone and
I didn't even know there was a Twitter hashtag or X hashtag for say scam. And I was like,
wait, what? Like already? It just launched yesterday.
I thought a fire drop wasn't available yet.
Yeah. And they came out and they said, like, hey, we're not ready for it. It's going to happen.
Atlantic two users will get it. And I mean, there's a lot of Atlantic two users,
but it's not enough to call it a scam. Like what the fuck is that? I don't know.
I don't know. Maybe there's more to the story.
Everyone just loves to cool the project to scam these days.
Like when I don't get my free money exactly when I expect it,
therefore it is a total fucking scam.
I for one really enjoy that osmosis is getting an airdrop, but the cosmos is not.
Yeah. That feels kind of like I'm pushing out some hot take right there.
But I think there's so many salty fucking people because of that.
They just like, what? Because everyone just expects that the atom holders will get the airdrop.
But in reality, like those users bring no value to the platform because they're all
fucking non users, right? There's so many whales in there as well.
Osmosis is like,
Osmosis liquidity provides the like the meme of the soldiers holding up society, drowning in blood.
That was like seriously. That's exactly right.
That's the people who get airdrops.
Like all of the metrics are not conducive to the functioning of the interchain.
That's exactly right. Like if those LPs go to zero and people give up on that area, it's over.
Yeah. The party is instantly.
The party is literally over.
There's no value in that other than people holding on for the sake of holding on.
That's it. It's done.
There's no value in it except for the sake of holding on could describe a lot of the eco
right now. And I don't mean just Osmosis. I mean, yeah, yeah, for sure.
All of them. But that way everybody holds that up as being like, hey, this is the bank, right?
And all that kind of stuff. But but anyway, I find it really interesting how sticky
exchanges are or like swaps are. Osmosis doesn't do all that much like with the like the most
glorious ways. Like I would say that wind in many ways had a better user experience than Osmosis.
But nobody moved over to it. I think handful of people did to get yield and then they called it
good. I found that really fascinating. Like I know that I know that if you find like,
you know, your phone, your iPhone, you're not going to leave your iPhone because it's really
sticky to leave the thing you're already happy with. But it's really fun and interesting and
fascinating seeing it happen in real time.
I wish there was a better like mobile user experience for the for the Cosmos, just like
an app that sort of is on the ball, does it all and abstracts the way or the bullshit of IBC.
And you can just sit there and swipe and press buttons and your fucking tokens fly all over
the place and you are in defy and losing money. I want to bat the gap on my phone,
said no. Well, hey, maybe Sigma six have a betting app. That'd be cool.
If they can if they can produce a user experience like you would get from like,
you know, bet bros or whatever the main betting apps are, like that'd go if you can if you can
create an experience that doesn't feel like Web three in a betting app, that would go very well.
If you could hide all this entirely true. Fantasy sports aren't nearly as big as they used to be.
I have a buddy who has made a lot of money off he's been like the top 10 and like all of the
draft Kings and fantasy sports things for a long time because he's a data scientist.
And it's something like 100 the size it was like five years ago. So like it's cool and
betting betting sports betting. Yeah, it's much, much, much smaller than it was even
but that's not. Oh, okay. You said fantasy, but this isn't fancy. I guess actual sports betting,
fantasy and sports betting. Yeah, he does. It's smaller.
Sport betting is still pretty big. Okay, I guess I would say within the US,
it's much smaller than it was. Like it's at least a factor of 10 smaller than it was like three years
ago. No more. It would have been huge like five years ago. And the reason for that is because
of the GFC. The GFC. Good. Yeah. When like when things go to shit, people tend to turn to
get rich quick stuff and degenerate stuff. But it's also it's like it's a fact.
It's it's it's because of a hardship and be depression and people turn to gambling and
drinking and all kinds of shit like that. So shouldn't things be I should sports betting
be higher now then because things aren't really in a great state right now.
I mean comparatively to 2008, they're probably pretty good. But yeah, we've just
2008. Okay, I thought you were saying 2018. I completely missed that. So I was like,
what happened to 2018? That made it so bad. Sorry, I was off by a factor of 10 years.
But like at lately, like, you know, things have been up until very recently, the last
three to four years have been pretty golden, like all through. Yeah,
over especially here in Australia, like I was especially here in Australia, like
pretty fantastic. You know, the Australian experience is no matter what and fucking
them off in the boat. So they don't take them, but they keep melting them into shit.
Freaking rocks. Shippin' them away. You need batteries. We got shit for that. You need steel.
We got shit for that. Just imagine the guy standing on the fucking deck, hocking like Paul's a shit.
You say that people turn to gambling in times of down this, right?
Yeah, of course. Yeah. That's when I found crypto and during COVID.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Right. It's exact same thing.
Yeah, I mean, like IRL, I actually invest in, you know, like TabCorp and StarCasino and all those
guys when things are starting to look bad, start chucking money in the casinos and shit.
Yeah. Yeah. Like on the other end, though, on the house side.
So when you do it, degeneracy is the only way. The good.
Oh, baby.
All right. What else is in Schiltz's corner?
Schiltz in his corner. He was about to drop some news bombs on us until he rudely interrupted 40
minutes ago. My favorite one is Prop 818, the slashing of PopMos and was it Citizen Cosmos,
I want to say? Yeah, Citizen Cosmos, I think. Thank you. So we voted yes on that. I actually,
we as a team kind of disagree with tombstone in general, but if we're going to do tombstone,
we should do tombstone. So we voted yes. However, it turns out that this prop,
whether it goes through or not, isn't actually going to do anything because the proposal will
submit it incorrectly. And it requires like this really weird like coordination of time
between two blockchains to do it correctly. And so they're aiming at the wrong slash block.
So everybody's switching over to no now, which I think is absolutely fascinating.
Wait, so that made the guy in the redo it?
Great question. I don't know.
So the, the, what, how did this happen? This was a slashing event on what, on Neutron or on
something or on Stride, Stride, right? I think it was Neutron. So what happened was there was
an upgrade. They fucked it up. Nobody cares, right? Because it's a subchain who gives a shit.
Right. So I had some color. I had some color in there. They're my fuck. I see.
I see. Nobody cares because it's small money. Nobody gives a shit because this,
this model doesn't make any sense and nobody wants to pay attention, but just a personal opinion.
Yeah. So, so they, they, there are two tombstone events, but they don't actually,
they don't actually have the tombstone like happening. They don't get jailed.
They don't get slash none of that. It's just like the Byzantine fall,
like shows up on chain and then they move on. And so there's government proposal that went up
saying, Hey, we should actually probably enforce this. So proposal goes up and the problem is the
way I see us works is you have like the two chains that are running in parallel, right?
And the way the proposal was submitted was it was submitted such that it would enact the
slashing event for tombstoneing as if it was happening on the consumer chain on Neutron.
However, the way slashing actually works has to happen on the cosmos of,
so they have to figure out what blocks coordinated with the slashing block from the consumer
to cosmos. But they didn't do that. They just used the consumer block. And so that's the issue.
So in order to actually do slashing, it requires so much overhead that people didn't even know
about like Zach, he was the one that put up prop 18, like he's one of the original developers
on Tenderman or maybe not the original developers, but he's like one of the most in the game.
And even he got it wrong. So like we're entering the stage of like how much does slashing
matter? Apparently not at all. Like bad behavior doesn't matter at all.
Uh, it doesn't make a difference. That's good. I'm glad that we have the, so what,
so the security then, if slashing doesn't matter, right? I guess the security is purely financial
in some sort of sense, but if, which it turns out is the same as the real world. So the security
is still financial only, but how is it even financial because there's no slashing? Yeah,
there's no way of actually being slashed. So there isn't even, so the security is purely about the
amount locked, isn't it? So it's just, it is about the amount locked. That's correct. You
failed, but with no real backing. Like the real world. Perfect. This is awesome. Pretty sure in the
history of economics, too big to fail has never failed. That's true. That's right. That's right.
I love it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, so anyway, so this, this proposal means nothing and nobody's
opinions me anything because it's not enforceable anyway, or there's no anything. So the question
is if it, if it, I guess if it passes, then there's a case to be made that it should then
be fixed and actually pass. Yeah. I don't know. I still stand by the idea that like, I think that
tombstone slashing should basically go away and then all downtime slashing should be increased.
Like, I think that at most, the way that, like at most having a 1% slash for downtime,
I think that's right. I think that there should be a high downtime slash, but basically no tombstone
is already handled or double signing is already handled within the chain, right? So if that happens.
But even downtime slashing, there's an argument for whether that needs to exist.
Yeah, I agree. I like quadratic slashing would probably be the best, right? If you're up higher,
you get slash higher because you have a greater responsibility. Well, but I mean, it's back to
the multiple mechanisms, I suppose. Like the reason that you have, you have downtime slashing
is because not every chain has inflation or like infinite inflation with within a bracket.
But if you have chains with sort of unbounded inflation, then yeah, some of them don't even
have slashing for downtime. It's just that you're losing money. So you're incentivized not to be
down. Otherwise, obviously your delegates will fuck off.
That's partially not even true. If you miss a block, you still get the tokens. The only time that
you get jailed, I think. Yeah, like you get jailed, you don't. But it is kind of done.
I think it'd be a much better system if you just, if you don't sign the block, you don't get the
rewards for that block. Do you know what the funny thing is though, I guess the problem we'd have is
no solutions. People would be reducing their time to, like everyone would be speeding the blocks up
so that they have small wait times. Well, also, yes. But like the, yeah, you sign the block,
you get paid, you don't sign the block, you don't get paid is simple and therefore elegant.
But it does also rely on, but at the point where you 100% rely only on the economics to drive the
security of the chain, you also rely on the chain being worth something. So at the moment,
for most of the cosmos, that would just mean validators would, there would be absolutely no
reason to not let your validator go zombie on some chains and then just crash the chain.
Like chains would not come back after upgrades in a bear. So that's the thing with downtime
slashing. It's sort of that dead man switch that forces the chain to stay up through hope.
Like, is why couldn't you have that as like, like there's nothing stopping having the two
two factors like if you don't sign the blocks, you don't get paid. And if you don't sign any
blocks for a while, then you've got the dead man switch that just turns you off until you decide
to come back and be active. Yeah. And that would work. I just felt it feels like we must be missing
a trick that the the downtime slashing just feels like a very inaligent solution. Like I
I feel like they added, when they built it, they just put all these functions in there
with maybe the intent was that you use some of them, not all of them.
And then people were just using all of them because that is what was in the default like
Genesis that gets spat out like the, you can't miss a hundred blocks or something.
Right.
Yeah.
Remember when people used to not change the default and you'd get a main net where you
couldn't miss a hundred blocks?
Yeah.
That was like that was in the justice, right?
Where you missed a hundred blocks and you're gone or something.
It's still true on the spot.
Still is it?
Oh, is it?
Yeah.
On tenets, a hundred blocks.
Even a main net.
Yeah.
Now they don't have downtime slashing, but you still can get jailed.
Fun.
So what are these guys talking about?
If they did?
Well, you mean the folks in the comments, they have breaking news that they know that we're
not going to cover or understand.
But I mean, honestly, that's most, that's most things.
Okay.
Wait, okay.
Let's come to something from Rama.
This is Rama's news corner, actually.
But don't put up the goddamn banner man.
It makes my head hurt at blue down the bottom.
No, no.
So actually one thing that that Rama mentions this week, it's probably not what they're
talking about in the comments, but I haven't been reading the comments.
So I said the stash app has implemented an email sign up.
So the secret marketplace stash app has decided to enforce email sign up requirements on
all users so you can see and trade your NFTs.
I said this can go interchange and allow users to recover their wallet by having the seed
phrase emailed to them in plain text, in plain text.
That's cool.
Emails encrypted now.
It's all good.
Yeah.
I can't see, I bet they're not using GPG for that.
Just plain text, baby news.
I mean, it's, that's mine between, yeah, it's fine.
Between servers, no big deal.
It'll be fine.
Sorry about that.
Not a security issue.
So it's not a security issue if you say the word YOLO before you commit to it.
It depends if you're an AirDrop.
If people know you're YOLOing, then it's fine, right?
If there's an AirDrop involved, then all rules go out the window.
If I get an AirDrop, then I can put my keys into anything and it's safe.
I think that's a real rule, right?
That's what I've learned.
So, if there's an AirDrop, if there's a new wallet, you have to use for that AirDrop.
You can just YOLO your validator keys.
It doesn't matter, right?
Do you ever listen?
Do you ever listen to, like, when, when there was the one, was it Desmos where it was like
that as well?
It's just like, hey, you know, we could actually YOLO your seed phrase into the browser.
Yeah.
So, you see, yeah, that sounds like a really fucking great idea.
Let's do that, shall we?
It's exactly right.
Yeah.
I think it's fine.
I mean, as long as there's cash involved, I think it's all good.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not like we're getting money, is it?
Well, I mean, to that moment, barely.
So, does it feel that way?
Yeah.
I mean, pennies, even pennies, it's fine.
Like any small amounts.
Yeah.
Small amounts of pens.
Is that what you call it?
Pents.
Just pens.
Yeah, just a few pens.
And then I will, I will inject that.
I will, I will export it out of my ledger somehow.
I'll figure it out.
I'll break it down to get that seed phrase to shove it into a random ass fucking airdrop
wallet.
Yeah.
So, the entry on this stash thing, Tor, who embezzled money, I think it was, from the
Seeker Foundation.
He was the founder of Seeker Foundation.
Oh, yeah, right.
He's like the president or the CEO of Stash App.
And he came in and was like, Hey, this is getting really good.
Like people really like this on Testnet.
I don't see what the problem is.
It's all good.
Well, that is an insane reaction.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's fine.
I mean, when people make money, you say, because you think he's being imprisoned or
something.
Yeah.
I think, I think they decided to drop it.
I guess the takeaway there is when the money's actually not worth anything, people are willing
to put their seed phrase in anything.
So you can draw your conclusion forward.
If Testnet and Mainnet are close.
So what he's basically saying is that it's fine.
Because Testnet and Mainnet are the same thing.
Okay.
Here's the quote.
I had to go find it.
So far, the feedback has been really positive from New Year's and early testers.
So I'm not sure what you think the issue is.
Let me know if there's improvements you can suggest.
And David says, from now on, you have to hollow your seed phrase to get air drops.
Perfect.
Let's get some music.
No, let's get some music.
Let's get some music up here.
Let's go.
That shit will be on the blockchain forever.
Let's get some movement going.
Is wind's toast now?
You know, I was saying before, when when Schultz said wind, I totally forgot that existed.
Like I had to, I was like, oh yeah, shit.
I forgot all about that.
Like that's my point, man.
It's actually a well done thing.
But yeah, people forget.
Well, honestly, it has a bit of a Pied Piper structure to it though.
It does.
Like actually even even the images on the page, even the images on the page kind of remind
me of a bit of a Pied Piper thing.
So it's not the coolest thing in the universe.
I've seen the Pied Piper 10th anniversary reunion documentary from HBO.
Are we talking Pied Piper like from Silicon Valley?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but look here, I'm going to save a screenshot of something I just pulled off their exact
webpage.
But yeah, like it has that a little bit of that, I don't know, it has a little bit of
that piece to it, I guess.
It's kind of weird.
So Romer in the chat while you serve as screenshotting, whatever, asks, can we bring back Juno Swap
or nah, just without a token?
Well, I mean, wasn't Wind a better Juno Swap?
So wouldn't it make more sense to bring back Wind without?
I literally just pulled this off the Wind out site.
Like it is in the lower corner.
It is literally a Wind Pied Piper.
I mean, it kind of looks, it's the same colors and everything else.
I mean, that's amazing.
All right, maybe I'll find it.
It looks like, you know, so recently, the thing I mentioned that I've been recovering
some miniatures that I built when I was a teenager and I've been watching YouTube videos
on painting and stuff to get up speed on doing these.
So I mainly do other stuff, whatever, not important.
That image looks like when you click on the YouTube video of I found some of my teenage
Warhammer in a cupboard.
Look how roast my paint job.
That is what that looks like.
It's like, look at my fucking high elf.
It's literally what it is.
Oh my God.
It's like a weird block green.
It's got no gradient to it.
Looks, you know, looks very fake.
That lighting effect.
Oh my goodness.
This is the longest news segment we've ever had.
Um, five six minutes.
So wait, hang on a fucking second.
So we've covered stash.
Are we going to talk about the Jacob Jack drama?
Yeah, we probably should.
I don't know if we should.
Well, what is the what is a Jacob Jack?
Happy to let that just blow over.
Well, it's just the eye of Sauron, right?
Just fucking cast as well as it.
And sometimes you just happen to be like, you just out, you know, walk into the shops.
You need to get some, yeah, hobbit milk, whatever the fuck people do when they go to the shops
in the, in the middle earth.
And the eye of Sauron, just the lights on you, man.
And you're just like, yeah, and some hobbit jerky.
There you go.
That's probably more of a thing.
Right.
Yeah.
So that's a key made of habits or is that hobbit jerky as people.
Have a jerky with me, jerky made of beef jerky is made of beef.
So have a jerky is made of hobbit jerky.
Hobbit jerky is hobbits.
Yeah.
There was this whole campaign.
I know it's not cool anymore to eat hobbit jerky, but it's so tasty.
It's the one thing I can't kick.
Anyway, so you're out to get your pipe weed, right?
And the eye of Sauron just fucking coast pass.
And you're just like, whoa, that was a, that was a near miss.
And then it starts coasting back and you're like, fucking maybe today.
Today is the day I get Jacob.
That was, that was Jack.
He was just out to buy his pipe weed, you know, maybe visit the, the prancing pony
and, and, and get in some pints with the lads, you know, just let it go past.
It was some crack.
I hear the crack was 90.
But, but no, instead, instead the eye of Sauron fucking descended.
I will say one thing on it.
And that is just that I don't understand like why there's such a like propensity to go straight
to Twitter and air all this laundry.
That's the, like, if I have a bad thought about someone, I'll either DM them my bad
thought or I'll just go in my mind.
Geez, that guy's a bit of a cunt or I don't like what they're doing and then get right
the fuck on with my day because I ain't got time to worry about that shit.
But some people just seem to fucking sit there and see them stuff and just bash it all out
on Twitter.
It makes no sense to me.
I think when the majority of your engineering workload is like go more tidy, then maybe
you have a lot of time to fucking, to fucking sit on Twitter and just waste other people's
time and emotional energy.
Whereas like the rest of us are busy like running businesses, doing taxes, speaking to our accountants,
writing code, managing nodes, writing blog posts, thinking about the future of the Internet,
maybe working towards that rather than just jerking off 24 seven.
See, now this is what makes us different.
The views expressed by the fray do not respect the total views of Gamer Nodes or the Gamer
Nodes family or the Gamer Nodes or other people are respected.
Did you say jerking off in there?
It's horrible.
At this point, fucking like honestly, chase me out of the cosmos as a business.
That would be annoying for us.
I'm just, I'm just so fucking over it.
That's how it is.
It's probably a good, a good point to say a bit of Game of Nodes presenting you.
I'm actually going off to do a PhD.
By the way, let me cut in just one second.
Our Gamer Nodes shirt is just going to have a carrot and says, go mod tidy with our Gamer
Nodes logo.
That's our fucking shirt.
That shirt is fucking awesome.
We agree on that.
Just a simple, just a simple carrot, go mod tidy with Gamer Nodes on it.
Can we, that's awesome.
That shirt, we fucking awesome.
Just one color.
I will face it.
Go mod tidy with like, with just a little G1.
Oh, dude, I'm on it.
We could do it off the show.
We could do it on the group.
I love it, dude.
I would wear that every day.
I wear that at the Cosmos conference.
I love shirts with like, like really random fucking deep references.
Not this one.
This one says nerd.
But, but I do like ones that, that like that, and that would be, that's a good, that's a
good Game of Nodes shirt.
All right.
Yesterday, I was wearing my favorite Gamer Nodes merch.
My favorite t-shirt of that variant was one I was wearing yesterday, which has dragon
sound on it, and it is, it is an exact replica.
I'm not even sure if this has ever been commercially available anywhere.
I have the sneaking suspicion that my friend who has ADHD was the one who gave it to me
as a secret Santa and specifically photoshopped it and got it printed for me.
But it's, I think we've talked about the amazing, amazing film, Miami Connection, the amazing
Kung Fu.
It's actually Taekwondo film, Miami Connection on the show before.
The band that's in it, the really 80s band with all the fucking 40 year old Kung Fu,
the martial arts trainers that are supposed to be teenagers is called Dragon Sound.
And they have their own merch in film.
It doesn't exist in the real world.
And somebody made me one of those t-shirts and it's like the D is the deepest reference
to a film that was out of privilege for 20 years.
Odie ever showed three cinemas before it was refound literally 25 years later.
And it's just literally what one of the characters is wearing on stage because it's his own band.
And people are just like, what is that?
Is that like some duty martial arts?
You're like, no, this is a stupid ninja.
I love it.
Yeah.
That's my favorite.
Oh, all right.
You were saying something else, but boy, I love that idea.
Yeah.
We should do that t-shirt.
And to be honest, no with Vito is rad as well.
We finish off.
We have a lot of good ideas.
We just don't follow through like everything else in my life.
People have great ideas.
Like literally everything else in my whole life.
Well, now we have a DAO.
You see, we can actually like get it printed.
Oh, we need to we need to take some actions on that DAO actually.
You need to get some hot towel action.
Yeah.
I mean, like we kind of need to put some money in there to pay Rama.
So, all right.
This isn't we're not saying we're not saying.
Well, I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about our first business.
Our first sponsoring our first business sponsoring opportunity that we're taking advantage of
in the United States.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's coming in November.
So you guys are flying in for that, right?
Is that what's happening?
We probably do need to put some USDC in there.
So I guess we'll have to use piss around with the axelar bridge and blah, blah, blah.
And is there a sweet way of just getting USDC into Cosmos now that isn't as painful
as that?
Yeah, going for it when I was Moses.
Is that happening?
Like why is it?
What's the weight?
Do we know what that would be the circle?
That would be a novel.
Yeah, noble, right?
I don't know.
It's been live for like three months, four months, something like that.
Well, so they were raising money fairly recently.
It just closed.
So I guess they're trying to do something new.
I'm not sure.
Oh, yeah.
And Ben said USDT and Kava.
Yeah, we know about that.
Yeah.
That's right.
So no, I saw some proposals around to add USDC USDT to various chains for our governance.
I think it was the last one I saw.
I have no idea what they're trying to get.
They're trying to get USDC native on that.
Most of that we said USDT.
Oh, you start all I think it's starting to progress, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
I have some weird news for you guys.
If you want to hear it, this is outside the Cosmos.
So near who I stand for, I think they're great.
They are actually transitioning all of their funding from developers to developing a governance
kind of module.
And they're like, this can be great.
We're going to have a lot of really active people and it's not going to be toxic at all.
And so Twitter lately has been blowing up about it because one of their guys, Joe from
ReadyLayerOne, he made a post about it.
And he's like, listen, we were developing this thing and they sucked funding dry in
order to put it towards governance.
And like, here's the issues with governance that we're going to see.
And, you know, this is what we see in other ecosystems.
We don't think it's quite, we're not, we're not to that point yet.
And so the near Twitter has been a shitstorm around.
You don't understand governance like developers.
There've been enough funding towards that.
And it's been, it's been absolutely fascinating.
I say, Zerper, one of the, one of the original threads on it, but it's just exploded everywhere
at this point.
So we get to look forward to more governance toxicity and other ecosystems here soon.
Yeah.
I was going to say, when, when apps finish is bringing in dows, they're going to have
a fun, fun party time.
I guess the real, I guess the real question is how do we IBC governance to all different
ecosystems?
Right?
That's really, maybe just make it right in.
Go and just ruin every other ecosystem by introducing governance to it and then everything
will be bad everywhere.
And then everybody would just be like, well, okay, here we go.
Yeah.
Something like that.
I mean, it's kind of ironic, isn't it?
Because you would think that governance would help solve things, but it really just kind
of like flushes things down the toilet.
There's a certain point where like the benevolent dictator is the way to go.
And like, I don't think we're past the point where the benevolent dictator, like we're
not, we're not past the blend of benevolent dictator stage.
I don't think in crypto.
So what you're saying is, so, okay, interesting.
So, so short C is, is maybe somewhere between the classical Marxist and Stalinist.
So we're, we're a dictatorship, dictatorship of the proletariat, but we don't think the
proletariat are sensible enough yet to transition to full communism.
Good to know.
Thank you.
You heard it here first.
This insurrection starts on game of, I don't have a pun for communist insurrection game
of was there a major communist thinker that had a name beginning with N. I'm just thinking
I just stuck on Trotsky and Lenin.
Obviously, no, don't help us at all for the purposes of a six-sync one liner to wrap up
that joke.
Anyway, I stand by what I said.
Yeah.
I was watching the 10 hour loop of Marshal Zuchov taking off his coat from the death
of Stalin the other day, and it is genuinely mesmerizing.
That doesn't segue into our news section at all.
So anyway, the point to finish my, my little news thing.
So I am going to in a month or so be starting PhD, which is going to take a very, very long
time, part time, I should add.
So you're not getting rid of me, but we'll be working on digital cash.
What's your official title when you become doctor?
Is it going to be Dr. Frey or Dr. Vafre?
I will drop the and switch from a genderless honorific to doctor, another gender genderless,
but more socially elevated honorific.
Thank the gods.
I cannot wait for that to happen five years from now.
Also, Dr. Frey kind of rhymes with Dr. Dre.
And apart from the spouse of abuse, obviously quite a creative force, but can you, can you
separate artists from the person?
Possibly not.
Can you, like, can you just in anticipation of your great success, just fucking change
it now?
No, not for five years.
For five years, in fact.
What about master Frey?
Can we do, can we both master Frey?
I could watch these stretch to a masters in about two years, assuming I passed my Viva.
So it's going to be an ever evolving situation on Game of Nodes.
So but, you know, they say they say it takes a, it takes a village to raise a baby, right?
Which I'm fucking 100% learning by the way.
But I think it also takes, it takes a whole podcast to raise a PhD thesis proposal because
it actually has had input, I think, from everybody on this chat with possible exception of Null,
who simply said, I'm not sure why you want to do that.
That's a lot of work for not much outcome.
I mean, I thought that as well.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, there was definitely an outpour of admiration from all the people in the groupie, except
me.
Well, I don't want, I don't want, somebody, somebody once told me, I thought about this,
I, going back to business school, and I was like in my early 30s or something.
And somebody said, go look at the syllabus.
And if you feel you could teach that class, don't fucking go take it.
And so I think same thing would happen here, like go do it instead, right?
Don't just get the, don't get, just get the MS or whatever else on top of it.
If you think you could be involved in teaching that, then don't do it.
So I'm not sure what your thesis is and where it's going.
And I'm not saying it's not going to be worthwhile because I think it would be worthwhile no
matter what.
But don't also underestimate your current capabilities.
Yeah.
I mean, I think also there is a, like there is a, we're at such an interesting point now
where there's just going to have to be like a lot more, like I think we're kind of running
out of road for the complete wild west period of blockchain.
And it's about to start getting interesting and like, you know, what, okay, okay, fine.
This thing exists is not going away.
What is it?
But what really is it?
And from a computer science perspective, I think one of the most useful things you can
do to go and work on actually making this party happen is to work out how the fuck digital
cash and Fiat and stuff are actually going to interact with all this crap.
Because at the moment, fucking circle and all those well, circle jerks really, like
it's, you know, don't fucking trust it.
Don't fucking like it.
Not going to use it.
Most people probably same situation and you might in my opinion, like my humble opinion,
right?
What the fuck do I know?
All I know is it takes one of those guys to get caught with their pants down and that
is it.
That is going to be the final fucking regulation ban hammer in every western country.
It's there on fucking thin ice.
Saulty fray is so fucking fun, man.
I love salty fray.
It is like, it is like a totally different show.
It's like, it's just the demeanor of just like this.
If you don't need to, if you're not going to say anything nice, don't say anything at
all has for some reason slipped this evening a little bit.
It's early trademark has now slowly slipped into a fucking.
You know what I think happened?
I was staying in the Sabi and B wrote for a couple of nights and the bed was so uncomfortable
and also like the baby was there and they kind of have to see you at eye level.
The room layout was weird, blah, blah, blah, blah, end up having to basically sleep on
the floor.
I'm pretty good at sleeping kind of anywhere.
So it's not a big deal, but I was like, holy shit, I'm fucking getting old.
Like, like sleeping on a floor is something that I'm just like, I'm not a fussy person.
This was the first time in my life I slept on the floor and then woke up in the morning
was like, fuck, I'm bruised and shit and feel achy.
And I get the same when we go hiking, like sleeping on that little fucking mattress thing
with this fucking blow up pillow.
It's just fucked.
And this was like on the wooden floor with a pillow.
Oh, that's fucked.
I refuse.
Can't do it.
But I remember back to college, man, I could fall asleep on the fucking in the curb and
it'd be fun.
Yeah, 100%.
Right.
So I was just like, I was like, ah, god damn, I get it on stuff.
And then it was a bit grouchy and then got home and then suddenly you suddenly get a fucking
actual bed and you just actually sleep well, six hours because you've got a baby.
And I was like, oh my god, this is what it's like to feel rested for the first time in like
a few days.
So maybe it's just that I'm in a good mood today.
I'm in a pretty good mood.
So maybe I've become maybe I'm a fucking prick when I'm in a good mood.
Maybe that's the.
That's where the fuck Cosmos had a future, but no or the phrase sleeps on the wood floor
for one night and it's fucking.
It's a circle jerk.
No, no, no.
Now, I be IBC is very much GMI, a big fan of IBC.
I mean, I actually genuinely think out of all of the current protocols for shuffling around
shitcoins, IBC is kind of top of the pack.
And if I was I just think it is mad that that their government seriously working on working
digital currency that are not to my knowledge, considering using IBC as the protocol or designing
around that or, you know, whatever.
It seems like a very obvious this is already worked sort of in production.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So hey, you know what?
I have a way this.
I mean, this this is this episode, I don't know, but I have a way to turn it around.
It's about time, right?
It's a time.
It's probably as you know, shit.
Oh, shit.
Now you like banners.
Fuckin' banters up to the.
No, now you're like.
I like.
I'm a hater.
You don't agree with my randomness.
I'm going to slowly turn the pages and you get to pick the page and the number.
OK, pick the pick the Cosmos section.
It's the whole Cosmos section.
OK, which which number on the left or the right page?
Left page.
Yeah, number.
It's like a magic.
You have a free choice.
Five per page.
The number.
So it's.
Yeah, number three.
Seven six from there.
At battle at E.A. battlefield.
And what's what's the subject?
Oh, sorry.
The subject is of course not gaming.
I know you're somewhat of a pro gamer yourself.
So this this should all be very close to home, if anything.
So at battlefield user Garth underscore turds just read my address.
Oh, hang on a second.
Reading the wrong one.
You said third and you're not second.
He did.
We would never know in that it wouldn't matter at all, but I appreciate the honesty.
Weirdly.
So number two and number three are actually a story.
They follow on.
I'm just going to continue reading number two and I'm going to read you number three.
So at battlefield user Garth underscore turds just read out my address online except replacing
the name of my town with toilet.
My daughters are crying.
So this went out to the one that you actually selected for me to read at battlefield user
Garth underscore turds still has not been banned.
He's an utter nuisance.
He's also using some kind of hack to make himself louder.
Maybe we should cancel this segment.
I've actually realized all the story.
There are about another 10 with all related to Garth underscore.
Garth underscore turds.
This was clearly like a story arc in the drill world.
If for those following along at home, you can find this section on page 140.
If you'd like to find out what happened with Garth turds, this may have been pre threads,
you know, before that was a thing, before people discovered the threat emoji.
Hey, is swatting a thing outside of the US?
No, because we don't really have we don't just go and fucking shoot people generally.
Although obviously when we do shoot people, they are predominantly ethnic minorities and
black people because we still have a very deep problem with structural racism.
I mean, that's literally what happened in France the other week, wasn't it?
Like that is why there are massive riots, which is common across Europe.
So so it's a thing where it's just like, yeah, you can actually just get some random person
killed is a lot harder to do.
OK, that's what I thought.
Yeah, you never heard of swatting now.
Is that when you call the SWAT team to like someone's house?
Yeah, someone someone beats you at Call of Duty.
And so you're like, that's it. I'm calling I'm calling the fuzz fucking that guy.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even if they did do that in Australia, we wouldn't show up with an army.
Nobody cares that much.
You just go up with a kangaroo and a cat or forex.
Just it'd be like, oh, wall of the window.
My partner has been asking questions.
Apparently you've been rude online.
The the plod response in Australia would be like the fat sergeant
with the bottom of his gut hanging out of his shirt, along with like the hot intern.
And that'd be like we heard there was, you know, drugs here and weaponry.
Can we have them?
What we can't. Oh, my goodness.
First time in the Aber don't come after me, the plod.
I don't mean any harm.
The police are called the plod there.
It's like a British term, I think.
Yeah, it stands as a short PC plod, isn't it?
So when my friend first told me he called them, he calls them the the plod and the rizza.
The rizza. The rizza.
Yeah, I can't remember the other thing that he calls them, but they're both funny, funny
arse terms. I like the plod.
It's nice. The plod.
I like the paddy wagon just for the undertones.
The filth. The filth is the other one, isn't it?
It's like the filth. That's a good one.
The roses. The roses.
I don't know where the roses.
Yeah, the roses. That's pretty sad.
Yeah, that's sad.
That's the end of London, I think again.
Yeah, we don't know.
And really uses that term here, except for him.
Oh, wait. Real time follow up.
Ramas says, what if I drop this?
Would it extend the show draft proposal?
Duality protocol merger a proposal on neutron form?
The answer to that is no.
No, it would not.
Oh, there you go.
So I see Ben Davis has said PC plod is the character in naughty.
There you go. I was just assuming it was a reference to flat feet, but
but that's not what was naughty.
Yeah, it's not.
Be there.
OK, we're not easy to use TV program.
Oh, OK. OK.
I got you. You don't have naughty.
The name sounds familiar, but it might be similar to something else that we
made, I guess not.
It's probably like fucking postman.
Pat was like, you guys have Kiyu.
You guys have that boy that gets a little bitch.
Maybe you guys.
Do you guys have Tom's tank engine?
You must have Thomas tank engine.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. That just sucks.
Oh, yeah.
You know, Thomas, the tank engine is based on this
problem is we're getting to train facts here, but Thomas, the tank engine is
based on the really small train that's on the Isle of Man.
I don't know that on the Marlerman.
There's a really small as a small gauge railway that basically
just goes from one little town to like the one other town in the Isle of Man.
I've been on it. It's really weird.
This is a really weird small train.
All I know about Thomas tank engine is it's like capitalist propaganda.
Yeah, very much.
But you know, I guess it kind of makes sense because the Isle of Man is just like
basically gambling and counseling and tax evasion.
So, you know, they're pretty hyper capsules there.
And motorcycle racing, isn't that where the.
Yes, love that.
It's like cool racing.
Crazy, that thing.
I think say.
Might have this airdrop because stats are going fucking apeshit.
Yeah, they might have.
Let's respond to the hashtag say scam.
Let's grab this last item of news here.
Oh, what is it?
You might just have enough time to crack it in as well.
Fuck me.
You know, there was more news.
I keep pressing control D, which apparently copies something to the fucking
thing below it. I was losing all the news anyway,
because you have to press control D over over this side to mute yourself.
Right. And I keep pressing it in the spreadsheet and fucking everything up.
Anyway, so Rama says that friends.tech has been released,
although I went to friends.tech and there is fucking nothing there.
But this is a platform on base, which if you don't know,
coinpad, coinbase launchpad, launchpad, the launchpad.
The point of coinbase launchpad for the boomers.
Oh, friend.tech.
It's not friends.tech.
Did he just come in and change it?
I think he did.
Wait, wait, wait.
Rob is in OKR's sheet.
OK, we got to talk about permission control.
OK, so we used to talk about boundaries here,
but also on a more positive spin.
This now proves to somebody outside the organ.
Outside the core DAO that there actually, in fact,
has been a spreadsheet for a very long time,
which I assume is, you know, it kind of sounds like it's part of the performance
art of the whole experience, but there always has been a spreadsheet.
It's just that we're using the storage and retrieval,
which is all right.
It remains a very sparsely used spreadsheet.
So the so the concept tokenization of crypto personalities
where users can buy and sell shares of individuals.
The price of these shares is determined by supply and demand.
I'm sorry, buy and sell what?
The shares of individuals.
What does that mean?
You can get a piece.
A piece of what?
You buy and sell shares of an individual.
Is that like an NFT?
What are we talking about?
What do you mean individual?
What?
Tokenization of crypto personalities.
Okay. So yeah, you create an NFT of your person and then you talk you.
So like tokenization of cringe, cringe,
cringe, kryptonium, and you can like turn him into 20 pieces and then buy a piece.
So one of the features is owning these shares gives users the privilege
of a private chat with the respective individual.
Is this like human trafficking on chain?
Yes.
Like what the fuck is this?
I'm just thinking.
Web three has gone too far.
Man, what is this?
It's fucking weird.
So is this a Coinbase product or this is just launching at base?
So it's launching on base.
It's not a Coinbase thing though, right?
Because, okay.
So it's a Coinbase launchpad.
What does that mean?
It's just like a, you know, where they go and sell stuff.
Launchpad, isn't that where they raise these days?
Instead of calling an ICO, they go to a launchpad.
Oh, I see.
So it's like it's there.
One of their VC, it's one of their funded type of projects to get this chain
off the ground type of idea.
Who would fund this though?
Like Coinbase.
I mean, if I were on that panel, I'd be like, no, thank you guys.
The marketplace for your friends.
That is an awful tagline.
It's kind of like going, hey, we spend the whole of web to essentially
creating large social networks to monetize your entire life and collect
all the data we could about you.
How about we also make us completely toxic by making you compete against
each other and physically own each other.
It's by the way, not slavery.
How dare you?
How dare you suggest such a thing?
We're actually very, very woke.
We have like several minority employees.
Do you know?
And my best friend is a minority.
My best friend is actually you.
I know a lot of minorities.
Very racist.
And somebody was complaining to me the other day that Twitter X was really bad
because they couldn't send their friend a message anymore like a DM because
their friend had the tick and they didn't.
And I was like, oh, it sounds like Twitter's finally found product market
fit then because you need to pay them seven pounds 50.
And they were like, no, this is this is an equality issue because what if a
you know, what if you'd be limiting access to like, I don't know, Somali
refugee or something.
I was like, I think Somali refugee probably has other issues like, you know,
toxic racist government policy rather than, you know, tweeting on Twitter for
the likes and they're like, but they can't get their story across anymore.
And I was like, I mean, I don't know how many do you follow?
Very weird.
The social media man is tripped.
But, but yeah, it's kind of weird because like you like on the one hand,
Elon has fucked Twitter, but on the other hand, he has actually got people to pay
for a thing, which.
But it has to be less of why there was making more.
It has to be less than before, though.
I mean, I guess it has to be.
Yeah, it has to be like people have to pay for things eventually.
Like things can't be free.
Yeah. How is that going to run forever by for nothing?
Fuck.
Now we are.
That races are coming, baby.
How's only listed on an exchange that is dead.
So I don't know that you can actually even try to.
I guess.
Well, it's how live forever since we, the validators, are processing it.
Yeah.
How we live in perpetuity is how the real thing, if there's no interface to mess with it.
I mean, these are all valid questions because who knows?
I'm not even clear 100 percent who's card the interface is on.
Maybe the Dowl pays for it.
Do we have to finish doing that?
That might be.
We need to do that.
Yeah.
Can you make it CLI only?
Only how?