The Evmos thing was also.
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Hello and welcome to Game of Nodes, a weekly podcast from
independent Validator teams. And it's a day of highs, it's a day
of lows, as you've just been hearing. It's a day of pages
going off constantly for the last three hours every minute. I'm
going to move that out of my eye line. So it's not going to stop
going off long story. So until it stops, I guess, I mean,
sod's law will get into a flow of an actual topic on this podcast
for the first time ever. And then I will actually have
something that needs action and pretty much immediately and
with quite a bit of urgency. But hold on, does this mean you are
an especially good Validator or an especially bad Validator?
Because if it were me, I would just hit silence and be like,
all right, moving on. But you don't, you just let it keep
going. That's the sign of ascendance.
Well, because, okay, so here's the thing, right? What if in
between all those other, so that there is a system down, but
it's expected to be down. So that's kind of fine. I would be
more concerned if I want to know, it just went off again, I
just want to know that it is still down every minute, because
otherwise something else has gone wrong. And then we're out of
planned thing in into unplanned thing. And then it's time to
worry. Additionally, yeah, I suppose if I get if there's more
than one buzz, it means that something else has gone wrong.
So just because you've got one notification going crazy. And for
reasons you haven't muted it, I mean, obviously, you can go and
resolve it and pay your duty. That would not be the right thing
to do in this case. For reasons, I don't want to like miss the
fact that a different validator is down. That would be super
annoying. And also to be fair, this is like this was our second
although this one is planned, this is our second outage this
week, actually, because we had 45 minutes on the June upgrade
the other day. Because the new version of the SDK does
actually validate whether or not there's a Genesis file after an
upgrade, which it always should have done, but it never I think
actually in practice did in the past. So we actually the box
we're currently using obviously remote signer. So it's, it's an
XRPC that was flipped over it didn't actually have a Genesis
file anywhere on the box. So that upgrade happened. It like
stuck. And I was thinking, I'm pretty sure this should have
been quite a quick upgrade. And yet it's still down. Let's check
the logs. Hmm, that's what is an error actually. That's a bit of
a weird and honestly, this is the this is the danger of being on
being on duty when it's when it's you and you've had for small
people reasons, not as much sleep as was previously the norm in
your life. Although to be fair, it's been getting a lot better
recently. More on that, whether or not it does improve or not.
I'll report back. I always thought that the daemons would at
least check the Genesis file was there. The fact that you didn't
have a Genesis file like existing, that just blows my
mind. I had no idea. Yeah, well, I genuinely I like obviously
I was aware that there is like, there is a checker, but it
doesn't run or it didn't run previously. So I was just like,
you know, whatever, especially I've been quite fast and loose
with decommissioning old hardware and shuffling stuff
around, especially things like RPCs. So it took me longer than
I'd like to admit, about 10 minutes to go, hang on, this is
just the Genesis file is actually not present, isn't it?
That's that's what it is. It's not the Genesis files wrong.
Because I was there like, you know, which one's the correct
one, you know, for the for the for Phoenix to let's compare the
show, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I was like,
hang on, you're being stupid. It's probably not there. Just
just download the new one. And it's relatively big. Just
download it, overwrite the old one, and then restart the thing
just stop trying to actually let's assume this is the problem
just knock on the head. And yeah. But yeah, I like, like in
kind of classic, you know, when you're when you're kind of like
rubber ducking a problem, and you're like, hang on a minute, I
went and posted on Discord like, hang on a second, I think I
don't have a Genesis file as somebody was like, you can't even
start the node if you've not got a chance as far as like,
Hello, buddy. I don't know who you are. And you're probably
right. You're probably right in that that should be how it
works. But let me tell you, we've been running production for a
long time, playing very fast and loose with these boxes. And I
can tell you that's not how it currently works.
Well, so now things you wonder, because there's a case where you
have to like do a full database reset, an unsafe reset all to
like reset the Genesis. So when does that become a situation?
And because that that that just popped up today with a network
upgrade, where someone or no, a network start, where someone had
to do an unsafe reset all because their Genesis wasn't being
read correctly. And they had a snapshot.
Was their Genesis not being read correctly? Because the JSON
was malformed? Because that just sounds because all it does is
just generate default Genesis release. That's what it used to
do.
They used the old Genesis, it was a fork. So they used the old
Genesis, and they didn't update it with a new one, or they did
replace it, but they didn't do an unsafe reset. So they deleted
the database, they didn't do unsafe reset, and then they
tried to go on. And then it still had the old Genesis,
somehow in memory. So I think I'm not sure unsafe reset does
unsafe reset. Actually, no, no, I think about it does unsafe
reset will definitely reset the Genesis file. Because I know it
resets the state. It doesn't it doesn't reset the Genesis file.
I don't think it changes the genesis. I don't think it reads
it either. I don't think it does anything with it. Well, it
didn't in previous versions. I think that's the point. Yeah, I
think it does now. As long as you because as I guess my
understanding is it doesn't read it on startup. So on a previous
version, as long as you're past block one, and not as an upgrade
block, it would just restart the service. And if everything was
okay, your state was okay, your cash was okay, nothing was
corrupted, it should just run. However, I think SDK 47, it
always checks it on startup. Maybe it doesn't check. I'd be
interested to know what kind of checks it does because previously,
I think, in some way, various checks would take a very long
time, wouldn't it? Although to be fair, not anymore because of
that fix that you know paid paid the bounty for. But even then
some of the other invariant checks on quick.
So I think like, previously, like some some things you did, it
would read the Genesis. But other things like it, you only
had to have the right network name in there for things to work.
And now I guess it's doing some kind of more in depth thing.
Because people without the Genesis, it won't work. But I
don't know what it might be like, there's really no information
you need from there. And it doesn't relate to like the, so say
if you're starting from a snapshot or state sync, like all of
the account information does not really relate to anything
anymore. Because that's from, you know, an initial state, which
in the form of the database you're receiving is non relatable.
It's all gone information. So yeah, I don't know. I guess maybe
it still only works if you've just got the the right network
name in there. Don't know. Because a lot of times like we
would literally all it did was pass the J cell, it went, is the
network name right? Okay, I mean,
match what we've what the databases were pulling. Okay,
that would be very very cosmos. Let's check it's that let's
check network name and then the rest of it will take some
time. So let's let's
know how how would they check like, you know, the unless
there's some something that gets passed through with in the in
the database, the initial database, that's like, yeah, this
is, I don't know. For example, like, it's got to be this length
or whatever. But like the unless they're now injecting
something into the database on startup, that actually you
could check. Oh, no, you fucking can't because it's you can't
check anything because it's all gone. It's the data is gone
from your if you're if you're just taking then you're just
taking it. I know you couldn't replay the TX's. So yeah, you
fuck. Yeah. But that would take some way of ensuring the
integrity of each individual of each individual bundle of
transactions, such that moving forward, you could
make sure that it can contain a complete history of every
other bundle of transactions going back to the Genesis file.
Something like a public ledger might be able to solve that.
Yeah, it sounds like the job of a validator.
That would be interesting. Okay, so anyway, that's why every
minute my my phone is going off. So shall we go on to the
news?
If you don't put the banner up and I all again, I don't have
any news but anyway, all I've got a handful of things I can
throw in for you. I do have some stuff to talk about. It's not
really news. Can you take the fucking news banner off? It's
more it's more talking points. I don't like the news banner.
It's distracting. Don't take it off. I like it. It makes you
want to keep it up my phone.
I like it. It makes you want to keep it up more. But like for
those at home, fucking send a petition or something. This is
annoying.
Well, okay, I mean, I can throw in something to begin with.
Right.
Look, I'll put in the beginning stuff. And then when I run out
of shit to talk about, you can start talking about stuff.
All right. That's how it works now.
So all right. So well, in in Game of Nodes news, we have
started a a Dell. We're now a Dell, Dell, Dell. Oh, it's
official now. Well, we've got one. Nobody sent me a link.
What you have a link. It's literally in the group chat.
Oh, my God.
Four days ago or something, buddy.
Aren't you part of the Dell?
This is why there's no shitpost public griefing proposals
from Schultz yet clearly incoming. But that we do actually
this is we do now have a forum to vote on whether or not the
banner should stay. It will be publicly auditable.
Okay, I will get that voted immediately. All right.
So what the Dow is for is we have no fucking clue. But
initially, I guess it's we intend to like seed the Dow a
little bit of mula, a little bit of cash ish in the form of
probably shit coins or something. And then what's our
initial mandate here? So we're going to be sponsoring some
stuff. We're going to be fucking marketing. We're going to be
sponsoring some ship. We're going to be paying for some shit.
We're going to be chatting some shit on the basis of those
activities. It's going to be a whole new world. Yeah, it's
lots of shit is going to go down in the Dow. So yeah, I mean,
if you're interested, you can go and see what we vote about.
We'll put a link to the Dow in the show notes. If you want to
make a sizable donation, go right ahead as an anonymous
person. Yeah, okay. Anyway, so that's the Dow. That's the
Dow business out of the way. In the actual Cosmos news, a
couple of interesting things happened yesterday and last
night, depending on what your time zone is. So a small a
small issue that I wanted to bring up was jakes here. What
is that fucking picture for the folks at home? Jake's
Hartnell's picture in YouTube is some cyberpunk Jake thing
going on. Looks pretty cool. Okay, so we have more. So there
was an issue last night, Schilti. You'd be familiar with
this one as well, where there was a bug from Go that made a
bunch of nodes halt because of the time zone. No, no, no, no,
no, no. It's not from Go. I don't think it's from Go, but
it is time zone related. If people had their server on the
wrong time zone, wrong time zone. If they didn't have it
set as UTC, that's the issue. It wasn't Go related at all.
Okay. So the so I saw someone put up a pull request to
change a line in some code. Was that not in Go? I thought it
was. I mean, okay. Yeah. So technically, like the fix was
written in Go, but it wasn't due to like the Go versioning or
anything. It had to do with the way they're saving time, which
is what halted Chihuahua God in the early days. Same exact
thing where rather than using like the built in time, they
were just spattering things out there. So is this something and
like, to be honest, I think most of us sort of aim to have
our servers in UTC because it makes a whole lot more sense
when you have all of your servers in the same time zone
when you dial them up. But I mean, easily overlooked, I
guess that's going into my Ansible now to make sure that
everything's set in UTC when doing the initial hardening on
the server. But I mean, it's there was a lot of nodes that
went down. So I guess it's common that people don't do that.
So is that do you think like, is that something that
networks should be making sure that their code is resilient
to that? Like that it's yeah, without a doubt. One zone. Yeah.
I mean, the fact that they're not is just outrageous, really.
Yeah. So it should be. It should come from the network to
make sure that things like that don't happen. You shouldn't
be looking it up on the host. It should be completely host
independent. And but the correct answer to what time zone
should your servers be is UTC. The only two valid times then
so UTC and UGT. So what's UGT? Yeah, I don't know that one.
Universal greetings time. GMT. No, it's like a I feel like it's
a very old IRC or computer programmer thing potentially.
But you always say good morning when you join a channel
regardless of what the time is because the time is always UGT.
Right. In fact, probably why the crypto GM thing is a thing. It's
probably like back in history, it's probably from programmers
coming from IRC who just say morning whatever time zone
you're in. It's like quite quite common from threads and
things I've been in historically. That's what UGT.
Is that different from UTC or what the hell?
Well, it's always morning. It doesn't matter what time zone you're in.
So it's like UTC. It's always morning wherever you are.
It's like it's always it's five o'clock somewhere.
So it's like late night here right now, but I would sign on. I'd be like morning.
It's just UGT, right? So it's kind of an inflexible standard in some ways compared to UTC.
But universal good morning time. Universal greetings, I believe.
But it could also be that. But presumably that's also where the GM GM thing comes from.
In any case, everybody should operate on UTC regardless when they're talking to people on
the internet. And oh my god, the amount of people who just quote times in
Eastern Standard Time or whatever the other one is in America is so annoying.
They're like, there's only two time zones in the world, Eastern or Western.
No, there's a whole nother world. So UTC, everybody please.
All right. So the other issue that I wanted to bring up. Oh yeah. So Neutron.
This is interesting. Two tombstones on Neutron, which are for people at home who don't know.
Neutron is an interchain security chain that's attached to Adam.
And so basically all of the Adam validators run these consumer chains as well.
And they're tied to the main validator that have back on Adam. So yesterday or last night,
was this due to an upgrade or something? Shiltsy, do you know?
I don't think so. I don't think there's any upgrade. I think it was just something happened.
Okay. So something happened. Not being an Adam validator. I really, I'm not 100% sure of the
details here and or how ICS works. But there's been two tombstones on Neutron chain. I won't
say who they are. And the question mark now is how does that relate to and what happens to their
Adam validator? So that's all I've got in that item of news, although it's a big item. So.
Well, so it doesn't relate to the cosmos really. Right now, tombstone cannot affect your main
validator. In order to incur slashing, like they didn't get slashed. In order to incur
slashing, they'll need to be a vote to slash the validators who tombstone. So right now,
much like a cosh, tombstone means nothing, which is, in my opinion, what should be the
way we do it anyway. However, they are off the hook. What do you mean they're off the hook?
You mean because they're not being slashed? No, because now they don't have to validate on Neutron,
they're tombstone. Oh, is that true? If you want to save money as an aftertall,
you know, I mean, look, I'm not technical advice, just in case we've got our facts a little bit
muddled here before people go losing their delegators funds. So James research.
No, they are still like, look, I got to confess, I really know very little about ICS,
other than that, you know, it seems like horrible thing for validators financially. But
I don't know what that means 100% James is that they're they tombstone, the tombstone validators
are not offline still active. I don't how. Okay, thanks, Frey. The phrase just popped up the
circle stakes line. Okay, in other news. So this is getting back to just crypto in general. So
PayPal stablecoin. So going through the Twitter, or the X, the Zitter during the week, one of the
prominent subjects was that PayPal are going to be launching a stablecoin. I'm not sure if it's
rumors or a done deal. But I mean, people are pretty excited about that. In general, for crypto.
So I guess the potential here is is that PayPal is obviously a big platform, they have 200,
400 odd million active accounts, 1.2 trillion in volume a year. So I guess people are excited
that this is a bit of an entry gateway into crypto, whether or not like the whole crypto side
of this stablecoin would be sort of abstracted away. So they wouldn't really know is anyone's
guess at this point. But I mean, you know, PayPal does 70% of eBay transactions as well. So
I mean, there's a lot of potential that that coin is going to get a lot of use, whether or not that
use sort of is paired back to an entry point into blockchain. You know, that remains to be seen.
Apparently, they intend to work close with regulators. So yeah, but later on in the week,
saw some additional information just about people sort of analyzing that situation. And apparently,
the stablecoin contracts which are floating around relating to this PayPal stablecoin are written in
a relatively old version of solidity, which people weren't impressed with. I think it's
susceptible to certain types of attacks. But also, there were aspects to that contract where funds
can be frozen and then wiped, which people didn't enjoy either. And I guess that's the centralized
nature of this type of coin. And I guess that's also to enable working with regulators. Any comments,
guys? Been very quiet. Is that any different than how USDC works? I mean, it doesn't wipe people,
but it can surely blacklist them, right? So there's a two step process in this PayPal stablecoin.
Step one, freeze the account. Step two, send a message to wipe frozen account. So you have to
freeze it first and then you can just clear it. So that's my understanding anyway.
What does it mean to freeze and clear it? Because if they're not custodians,
then how are they doing that? Do they have an internal ledger of what the actual PayPal is?
Sorry, I didn't understand the question. How would they wipe the account?
How would they wipe the account? Right? So I guess it's a message which just burns all the coins.
Yeah, you just change the account balance to zero, don't you? But the point is that PayPal,
if they do that to you and you're an American citizen, you go to the SEC and they go to real
jail or they don't, they go to white college. They probably go to white college out. They play tennis
for a few years. No big deal. But the reality is... So the SEC won't say boys will be boys? No?
I don't know. It feels like they're not particularly in a boys will be boys kind of mood at the moment.
And PayPal are really, really... I mean, they have officers. You could walk into their officers with
people with badges quite easily. So it kind of seems like if they started wiping customers'
accounts, they'd probably... I mean, are they? Okay, so I'm going to show my ignorance of PayPal's
business model here. But I'm guessing they're not regulated as a bank already. They're regulated
as a money service business or whatever the US equivalent is. So my assumption is they are already
a regulated entity with some controls, but probably not the same controls as a bank.
I believe that's correct. I'm not 100% certain. Yeah. So yeah, I'm not really sure. I mean,
obviously, if you get rugged... I mean, the thing I think the biggest risk rather than getting
rugged by PayPal is probably that PayPal put out shit code. That would be my worry from what you
just said there. Although you've read the code, haven't really been following it. Not that bothered
about Ethereum as a general rule other than high level news stuff. Although this is to be fair,
big news. I mean, I did... I guess I saw it, but didn't care that much, if I'm completely honest,
because I'm not going to use this fucking shit coin. But it would be a worry if the code is in
some way bad and then PayPal get rugged at a big scale, because then PayPal might go under and then
you won't be made whole and then you're fucked. And they're also presumably not banks. So the funds
aren't safe. So it's kind of back to the thing of like, actually, you'd be safer off with a really,
really unsafe, decentralized shit coin rather than a centralized shit coin. Because it's not
backed by anything, really, because PayPal presumably... Do they have... Are they backing it one to one
with US dollars? What's their mechanism? I can't imagine why they wouldn't. I assume that this...
Do they have money to do that? I mean, PayPal has deep pockets, but they haven't got central bank
deep pockets. They've just got a few fucking dollars from ground use buying, crocheting...
They collect dollars, as they issue the token, right? So if they launch a stable coin to get the
stable coin, presumably you have to buy it or swap some fiat for it. So I would imagine that they are
required to hold one to one every dollar that you have in your PayPal account already as a
custody service of fiat in a bank somewhere or at least as like a cash equivalent or something like
that. Did the contract have a variable supply them so they could buy out the dollars and then
issue more? The supply can be just varied because it's got an admin on the account and you can just
inflate it as they want, but that's no different to like USDT or USDC or anything like that.
But as they make more issue, they presumably collect money and then issue stable coins.
So I imagine it would work exactly the same way. They've probably seen the amount of profit that
Ted had made last year and gone, okay, we need to get in on that. So...
Is anyone in the right mind? The fact that the EU hasn't issued the ground like Central stable
coin to me is just kind of wild. What was that comment? These comments are jumping up and down
so quick. I was looking for Todd's one, but I clicked the wrong button. So Sawye2Studio said
for those at home, they can mint infinite amounts. So that kind of answers the question.
And friend of the poddy Blockpain said there's absolutely no chance. I added the word absolutely,
sorry Todd. No chance they're one to one. They lend that money out just like a real bank.
So it's kind of back to the... So my concern here would be that a business like this be incredible.
And I think actually to Shorzie's point, which I think he was going to say something around the
fact there isn't any EU, Euro stable coin is a bit of a missed opportunity, is that you want
more than one back, just like you issue a currency, right? If you go to Hong Kong and you get like
Hong Kong dollars, you get them from the bank that you get them from and they all have slightly
different... I don't know if this is the case, but it was like 15 years ago when I was there,
that depending on which ATM you got the notes out, they would be different because different banks
issued them. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Because it's just... Yeah. Because it's just Hong Kong dollars.
They're issued by the banks that are there, but it's not like it's just a principality or whatever.
So I think the conceptual framework has already existed for a lot of places where the banks
issue the money. I think that's actually fucking true in Scotland, you know? Because there's no
such thing as legal tender in Scotland. They're Scottish pounds, but they are different to British
pounds. What? No. Yeah. So Scottish pounds different to British pounds. British shops are not obliged
to take Scottish pounds. So shops in the rest of England, Wales, Northern Ireland, not obliged to
take Scottish pounds. It's the discretion of the shop owner. And from memory, the Scottish notes
in addition are also printed up by bank. So different banks, I think they all have agreed to use the
same design. But yeah, they should... But anyway, the reason I bring this up and please in the comments,
fact check me on the whole Scotland thing. It's been a little while since that.
I'm going to just a little bit since I'm reading about it right now. So technically, the pound
sterling is their legal tender. But yeah, they just issue their own notes. And those notes can be
used throughout Scotland, but they're basically not used anywhere outside of Scotland. There you go.
What? Well, I mean, that's the way that money first came about. Anyways, banks would just issue
bank notes. It's literally a piece of paper that says we'll pay the money on the note.
Again, recommendation from the Gamer Notes Book Club, debt by David Graber, if you're interested
in the history of development of money and debt relations. But so anyway, the thing is that all
of these kind of these currencies where the banks themselves issue the currency, they do actually
obviously have a central government or an authority kind of controlling the overall supply. They have
some kind of backing, if you like. But then it's actually issued by a number of institutions. So
no one institution is a single point of failure. It's almost like it's kind of... It's like the
opposite of centralization where you have a variety of different things like nodes in a network so
that one shouldn't be able to bring down the others. I know it doesn't work like that in practice. I
was there in 2008. I feel like I've never had this sick before. Yeah, doing an economics degree in
2008, that's a good time to do an ECOD degree. They're like, by the way, you're going to be
examined on all of this even though look out the fucking window, 20 years of theory is literally
burning right now. Anyway, the point is that I think that there's a model there where if you
have these kind of stable coins at the moment, you have all these individual people issuing them
like USDT, USDC, now USDP, USDPP, I don't know, whatever, PP PayPal, USDPP. You're welcome, PayPal,
you can have that one for free. I won't even charge you the consultancy fee.
But it seems like they all are very brittle on their own, decentralized, all the worst
aspects of centralization. So it kind of makes more sense if they, even if they don't want to
fucking get the US government involved, whatever, I don't really give a shit, I'm not American.
But if they actually like maybe fucking pooled their liquidity or something or collaborated in
some or they could even build a protocol to collaborate and then do it in code and then
it could be auditable by other people if they really wanted to actually get involved in the
crypto circle, direct property rather than just standing by the side, watching it and just being
like, do I get jacked off yet? That's kind of what they're doing right now. They're just standing
by the side going, that's kind of hot. God, I don't know where my fucking metaphor is going
today. Sorry about that. This podcast should not be listened to by under whatever the age
consent is, whatever in your country. Anyway, I'm out of steam. I don't think I wrote, I don't think
I put my stamp of approval on that statement. We need to vote on that in the Dell. Yeah, send it
up now. Which bit was a lot there? Should you consent to listening to the podcast? Do we have to
individually vet listeners? It's permissionless podcast, let's be honest. We believe in permissionless
decentralized systems. This podcast is no different. So, Soitsu Studio had a stab at me here. In other
news, Null's time as a profitable Flix validator is over, Wichie Blames on AirDrops. So I made a
tweet yesterday. I should have learnt my lesson by now just to not make tweets. So I was just
looking through MintScan and a couple of things and I noticed there's like an IBC in IBC out graph
in MintScan. And you could see the OmniFlex one, like as they did the airdrop, like all of these
IBC outs and it's just like a steady stream of IBC out now to Osmosis. And look, I don't really like
airdrops that much. And so I just sort of pointed out that basically everyone and I don't know,
people are just sort of saying that this is Flix only problem, but I don't really agree with that.
It seems to me 90% of the time when there's an airdrop that people just basically sell it now.
It's like in the deep of a bear, no one's really enthusiastic about anything. If there's any
opportunity for a bit of a cash grab, then people just sell it. And I mean, it's sort of like,
I don't know the full mechanisms of this, like where that money actually comes from,
like who are those LPs at the moment in Osmosis, but it seems like it's selling it out of someone's
pocket. Anyway, the Flix token has not done well since it started. So, so he's just pointing out
we're like number six validator in OmniFlex. And yeah, our total value lock to our validator is
definitely under 50 grand now. And we're not too far from the top in terms of state token. So
I think CosmoVisor is up the top there, but their total stake must be something like maybe
60 grand or something like that if I'm doing ratios real quick in my head. So I would say
basically no validator is profitable on OmniFlex right now. So thanks, Soy2 Studio.
So OmniFlex is now like every other Cosmos chain to validate on them.
The market cap must be really small at the moment. So there was an interesting thing
that someone put up on Twitter during the week where the bad kids on Stargaze are obviously
keep going up in value. And someone said, what if, it might have even been Poker 2 in turn,
what if the market cap of bad kids exceeds the market cap of the chain, which is pretty funny.
It's like bad kids, you know, based on the floor price would cost you $5 million to buy.
And I think the chain's market cap is like $13 million or something like that, $13 million.
I pointed out that it can't exceed it in real terms because once you start,
you can only sell the value of the chain because there's only tokens that have a value right,
whilst it might appear on paper to be worth more, it is not worth more.
Well, could you wait for mesh security and then sell your founder amount of bad kids that are
presumably squared away on a ledger somewhere to get your fat bag of meshy tokeny boys and then buy
out your host chain in a hostile takeover? Because that would be some like, that would be some fucking
closing 10 minutes of the big short level fucking stuff that would, that would be some
real margin cool, cool shit, you know, like you said.
Can you explain to me what a meshy boy is? A meshy boy, what is that?
Mesh security. Yeah. Classic.
What is the meshy boy though? Like, is that a commodity or something?
I think it's a joke.
Just, you know, like a chunky boy, but like a meshy boy.
I mean, I don't quite understand. I haven't watched the video on mesh yet. So I don't,
what happens there? Can you, like, is there some sort of mesh security token that you're talking
about or? Well, like if you're transferring the bad kids off, what are you talking about?
Mesh security, I suppose you're more about, more about the IBC piece becoming more,
what I'm really saying, I suppose is I'm just going mesh because I'm being fucking lazy.
But what I really, really mean is like, in a world where you can circle stake fucking tokens
from one chain to another or whatever, and you can IBC, you can do like the IBC routes and stuff
and jump tokens around more easily, you know, it's going to be more common to use and it has
already become this way and it's a fucking great for taxes. We won't go into it, but it's fucking
great for taxes to have random other coins given to your validator on random other chains as commission,
absolutely fucking stellar to just get like one fucking shit coin from some random chain on your
Juno validator. But like you want to be fucking coming in and start complaining about random
fucking coins? Well, sure, right? Yeah, 100%. But like, this is like the world that is coming
in the cosmos, like it's not hard to see that you'd be that far that it's coming in the future.
And that you will be able to, because the whole point of a lot of these systems is basically
pooling liquidity across sovereign outchains, right? So although I'm kind of just hand waving the
exact mechanism, you can see a future if we're talking about like meme future where bad kids
have actually exceeded the market cap of a chain of their host chain, in this case, Stargaze.
You can see that on that kind of timescale, which is probably two to three years,
like you would have a lot of the affordances of mesh security and all likelihood and the
additional developments in IBC. And it's not impossible to imagine a world in which you could
basically be selling those bad kids, despite them living on Stargaze for a grab bag of other tokens.
This moth has really decided like my fucking right eyeball, it keeps flying to my right eye.
It's mad. It's going to die at some point because it will just hit my eye and then get stuck.
And then we're both going to be in pain. For those who are listening to the podcast,
there has been a moth just sort of floating around the phrasehead.
That's really disconcerting. Can I throw in a piece of news before you continue?
Yeah, I'm done with the news. I've got a lot of things to add.
So an important bit of news if you are based in the UK, and I didn't even realize this until recently.
Very heavy up front. Kavya, I'm not a lawyer. Please seek legal advice, professional legal
advice from a non-haha, from a non-shit legal representative to actually understand crypto.
So if you think this does apply to you, but the law is changing for crypto asset businesses
and registration with the Financial Conduct Authority, the FCA,
is actually already technically changing. And you have until, I think October the third
to go and fucking fill out the paperwork if this does affect you.
And you've got to pay 10,000 pounds to register. So obviously that's part of it.
But then once you've done that, Boyz will be Boyz is my understanding.
Wait, what's the mark? What are you getting out of it?
You don't get to prison for two years and have your business seized.
Oh, nice. So Boyz will no longer be Boyz in the UK.
Boyz will not be Boyz unless they are regulated Boyz. But it only applies to the,
my understanding of this, only applies to the marketing of sale of crypto assets.
So if you are shilling a shitcoin on TikTok, you now need to register with the FCA
by the third of October. It doesn't affect non-fungible tokens.
So if you market fucking big balls blockchain coin, that you have to go register.
But if you market, what's that Apline, the board APO club, you don't have to register?
They're unique items. You just have to pay your fucking VAT, man.
Okay. Like fucking Dal and Rodney, no income tax, no VAT.
Well, anyway, you could sell shoes on the street, right? It's the same thing.
Yeah. And if you just selling shit pictures on the internet, there's nothing,
there's no fucking regulation element at that. It's just selling crap. It's not a financial instrument.
Well, it's just a piece of shit. I get on crap, stand by those. Unfortunately,
the floor price of those fucking, what they call glitch candies is not held up as well as bad kids.
Anyway, so in conclusion, there is a very valuable piece of advice
squirreled in the middle of this podcast. If you're based in the UK and shilling shitcoins,
go fucking look up the law change. You're looking for policy statement PS2, PS23 slash
six financial promotion rules for crypto assets, which is of course, open on the FCA website,
go and seek legal advice. They're not going to catch up with you for fucking years. That's not
legal advice, by the way. But reality is they're looking for you to come out of the woodwork
and say, we are a legitimate business. And that is the regulator looking to work with companies,
basically, that are actually doing something legitimate. And eventually, somebody will get
made an example of if they're shilling shitcoins on TikTok. So don't be that guy. That's my phrase
legal corner. That's the news I have this week. It's quite a big one though, big,
big regulation, he balls one. I mean, that is a pretty big development there. So
understanding here. So I talked to a lawyer about this long story is why we're in that situation.
But understanding is doesn't affect NFTs, doesn't affect validator services, doesn't affect kind
of writing smart contract code, open sourcing it, whatever, it just really doesn't affect all that
much other than shilling shitcoins and launching shitcoins. Those two things, yeah, you have to
register. And it's £10,000. And then every additional year, it's 1.7% of earnings with us,
with the cap on it, and £2,000 for your registration fee or something like that. So
if it's actually a profitable shitcoin worth registering with the FCA, if it's not a profitable
shitcoin, then maybe crush your ledger, walk away. I don't really understand what is the
benefit to the society in registering? Is it like that you, like, I don't get it?
Well, the FCA has a bit more money so that they can then go off to other people.
But like registering, does that give you immunity from like
like shilling a shitcoin and dumping on people? Like,
Well, if you dump it, you'll be in breach of the fucking regulator and you'll go to
fucking prison, obviously. Why?
Because it's like insider trading, like in the real world, if it was a stop,
I think it's not trading. Okay, right. So I'm not a fucking lawyer. We are very,
very close to the get legal advice here in answer to Noel's question. My understanding is
this is basically they have in place rules about risky investments and marketing risky
investments. They have seen the adoption and the holding of crypto assets in the UK increase
massively in the last couple of years. And so they've just like taken an existing piece of
legislation, which applied to I think other financial instruments and like payday loans
and things possibly. And they've just pulled out the shelf and gone, this applies to crypto now.
So what they're going to do presumably is refine that. But for now, they're going, okay,
if you're just showing some shitcoin, we see that as risky enough. And with enough downside
that we want to know who you fucking are. If we don't know who you are, then there is this kind
of sort of damocles that if we do find out you're doing it, we can put you in prison.
So that means that then they can basically get you under the regulator, put you in contact with them,
charge you your two grand a year to be a regulated entity, two grand plus, whatever it would be,
I guess, based on your turnover. And then they have an open channel to you to say, oh, okay,
by the way, we've decided that these types of investments are actually like whatever,
and these ones are much more risky. So if you fall under that, then you need to fill out additional
stuff, you need to do blah, blah, blah, it's so that they can start to work out who is legit enough
that they will come forward, identify themselves as a business, pay the money. If you're paying 10
grand, and you're filling out all the paperwork, and you're saying, hey, yep, cool, we work in the
area, we fucking have an office, here's who we are, YOLO, whatever.
I wonder if you have to register like your social handles like Big Bulls, Billy,
Billy, you will have to do, I mean, it's a regulator, it will be fucking loads of stuff, man,
it will be proper due diligence, so to thought. Otherwise, what's the fucking point?
Cash. Well, I mean, part of the reason is obviously because they need to make enough
cash off this registration process to then have some money to go off to people to make an example
of them. It's kind of like a, you know, the circle joke, it's kind of like a circle joke,
actually, isn't it? It's kind of like a Ponzi scheme. We need to just continue,
we'd continue getting people to sign the regulation forms and hand over the cash
that we can go and punish people that haven't so we can get more people to come over and
it's everything's kind of, yeah. Anyway, if the FCA, if anybody from the FCA is listening,
I didn't just call the FCA a circle joke or Ponzi scheme, I have a great amount of respect for
what you folks do. I'm very pro sensible crypto regulation. Let's talk. Apologies about calling
your organization a Ponzi. Cool. Okay. Frey makes a personal request to make taxes easier, please.
That would be HMRC, sadly. Oh, yeah.
Shilty taxes are exactly as easy as you want them to be. You just got to run the gauntlet a
little bit. I'm not that courageous. Good sir. I mean, people have certainly chosen,
you know, unorthodox tax schemes to follow over there when it comes to crypto to make life easier.
So I would say that I'm actually taking a pretty aggressive stance when it comes to the way America
does taxes with crypto. But they're all like, in my opinion, defensible areas, right? Like the couple
that sued the IRS for their staking income back, right? Like I actually follow that kind of thing.
Not that I'm advising others do that, but if they were to come down on me for like not claiming my
staking board's income as opposed to like created funds, then I would defend that position.
You'd have some way to point. I would have somewhere to point. Yeah.
Because they ended up settling. They didn't actually continue pushing through to like
create president. But to me, that's enough to say, hey, it's possible to actually move on that.
But yeah, so there are some things that we're taking aggressive stance on.
Oh, I did not. So Todd just said, do you see the guidance IRS just posted? No, I did not.
If you could post that or link that, I would love to read it. If it flies in the face of what I
said, maybe I won't read it. Then oops. Yeah, exactly right.
Oh, well, then boys would be boys, right? That's right. Ignorance is a bliss or something. I'm
pretty sure I read somewhere that if you don't know the law, then you can't be in trouble for the
law. And I'm pretty sure it's written down in stone somewhere. Makes total sense, right?
So one thing I think we should talk about that we haven't touched on yet,
because it's been like the flavor of the last week is permissioned cause and wasm on the hub.
Oh yeah, I did see that come up. The prop 811. Is this the first, second, third, fourth time this
has come up on the hub? I think this is the second time. I think the first one was prop 69, literally.
So I'll say that I'm in favor of cause and wasm on the hub permissioned cause and wasm.
From my experience with Kijira, permissioned cause and wasm can kind of suck because they
have proposals, what feels like every hour of the day, they're on like proposal 450 and
they've been out for less than a year. So that means more than one proposal per day on average.
And that sucks. Like it's a small task to do, but it's a task nonetheless. But
like cause and wasm needs something in order to be able to iterate quicker. So we're voting yes on it.
I'm not an atom validator. So I don't vote. But I think like, I mean, I can't, I can't see it
hurting to have it. I think a lot of people were, you know, not happy that it was tied to this
app store thing. I didn't read the prop. So I don't really know what they're talking about
about with that. But, you know, I don't, maybe it would have been better to sort of have one without
the other. If you know what I mean, maybe just vote on just permissioned cause and wasm as a
concept. And then if there was something else they wanted to attach to that, then attach that after.
And then a lot of people were talking about it being
pushed up there by Juno to be able to use mesh security as well and down there potentially.
So I'm not sure where people get this information or whether they just sort of infer it. And then
Ben Davis prop 811 on atom is Juno PsyOps.
All right. If you're going to make a claim like that, you got to get in here real quick and
explain that to us because I've seen both sides and that's such a claim that I think you should
honestly hop on real quick and explain that position. So for those people that are listening
later who are on podcast players, Sawie T studio has also said it's proposed by block creator Juno
to try and shell mesh. So that's maybe that's the conspiracy theory. I haven't been following this
enough to have actually done any due diligence. I don't know if that's the case, but we've got
Ben Davis in the chat saying, I think facetiously the prop is Juno PsyOps. We have Sawie T studio
saying it was in fact proposed by block creators of Juno to try and shell mesh 100% back in that.
And Rama and saying that DM us the tweet. Okay. Happy days. And Rama friend and
collaborator of the podcast has agreed and said is block creators. So we're obviously
out of the loop here, I guess. Yeah. I guess I haven't paid attention to the last couple days
on it. But now I'm way more curious. Like could just ask block creators. Yeah, you could. To me,
it's fascinating that it would be a PsyOps to add Kazim wasm to the hub. Like, I'm not sure it's a
PsyOps, but it might be if it's true, it's block creators. I think they just admit it,
wouldn't they? Unless that why would they not admit it? Sorry, I was typing.
I don't know who knows. Like, I don't think it's a PsyOps. I think maybe they if they were doing it
to try and get mesh on the hub, what's wrong with that? They can vote on that later, right?
It's permission to cause a Muslim. So yeah, I think that I think the general theme of that the
prop is a bit shitty is like fair though. I mean, I've seen the proper in question.
And yeah, CW on the hub probably should have happened a long time ago. Permission CW. But
yeah, it just seems like it like a lot of props. It does too much needs to do a bit less.
Oh, man, I have an I have an admission to make right now. I didn't realize that the I read the
chat GPT summary on min scan, not the full contents. I didn't realize there was a full
content. I was betrayed by min scan. So whenever I Wow, all right, I need to actually go read this
prop now and see why it's potential backflip here on game of nodes. I didn't realize they had it.
I mean, it's cool. So I don't think we talked about min scan 2.0. I'm not a huge fan of the
changes. I think that a lot of it is like so called design design where they made changes to
select to make changes to make it like seem more modern. I think they had it closer to the way
it should have been before. I liked some of it. Like it is in there's no question that it is
more feature rich now. It does a lot more stuff, but they've also done worse what they used to do
well. So it used to be very quick and easy to do some sleuthing around min scan. You can just
all the links worked properly. You could just you know, the things that I would have asked them to
improve rather than redesigning the whole thing and ruining a whole heap of stuff would be more
like to populate more, you know, transactions per page and to pre case transactions, as you're
clicking through and you know, UX improvements like that rather than sort of reinventing their own
wheel and removing some spokes. So yeah, I mean, I do like some aspects of it, but other aspects I
completely hate. I mean, I certainly agree that there are aspects that I enjoy about it. Like I
think it I think it is it feels faster. I don't really know why but it feels faster.
But it feels so much more cumbersome to navigate. So much more cumbersome.
And feel slower to me. And I find like finding the things that I'm looking for is also quite a
pain in the ass. The pages are really long and sectioned for scrolling. I'd prefer if they were
sort of just tabbed out across the top. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was a beta tester, I probably should
have like raised some of those issues. But I was busy at the time. So yeah. And it looks like we
might have lost the phrase going into phone time. Now he's reading the prop. No reading.
You know, we're down stuff, but things have happened. So just needed to respond to a thing.
Oh, your phone stopped vibrating. Is that what you're saying?
No, it's still vibrating once. But I think a resolution could be a hand possibly. We'll see.
We have thus far avoided the drill tweed of the week. You missed it.
All right. Here at the banner.
It's there a better we can do it. And I feel like I feel very odd the spot because last week I was
accused of being non random. But obviously, true randomness is basically impossible for a human.
So I feel like there's now a bar that I can never reach. But I'm just gonna I'm just gonna have to
flick. I'll tell you when to stop. Stop. Stop. Fuck you. Oh, God, we are in the section.
Okay, Jim Obama.
Number four on the page.
You want number four on the page? Okay, I mean, they're all gold. My thumb was on a particularly
good one. So I can't this is all spelt badly. You should know that ahead of time. Everything
spelt wrong. Every single word in this tweet. I'm little Jessica. I'm dying because of Obama's
help care bill. I'm on my deathbed. And the doctor is ignoring me because my daddy works hard.
Being from the States, that's not very funny.
As a casual observer, I find it funny.
There's some for those of you following along at home who maybe have a copy of the drill book.
I'm sure everybody has a reference copy, possibly in their bathroom. I can recommend the Obama
section. I wasn't even aware there was an Obama section. That entire page was mostly gold. I
like the the one about the Final Fantasy six nudes. That was funny. But unfortunately, that was not
the one now picked. So if you like that, like and subscribe game of nodes. And there'll be another
drill tweet once again, giving us a copyright strike next week. I looked at our statistics and
all our copyright strikes. It's like every fucking episode. We just managed to keep like,
like, I mean, obviously, like, there's a lot of things we get copyright strikes for. We haven't
got any for the drill tweet of the week. I think it would be kind of if that was how we got got,
you know, it'd be like Al Capone getting done for tax evasion, we get done for like,
hey, the thing we meant we had to bring you down once and for all was the drill books publisher
was like, you can't you can't verbally reproduce tweets. Then that'd be the layers of all the
things of all the things to get shut down for that would be top of the pile of that would be
quite on brand, I think for this podcast to go out in a blaze, not of glory, but of just
latent misunderstanding of basic intellectual copyright law.
Or the fair use policy doesn't mean this lads.
So, Shilty, we were involved in another Ponzi network, not a Ponzi, another network launch
overnight. So the launch went smoothly. That was great. Did you happen to notice that the
price feeder for this particular chain is built into the chain?
I did notice. And it's very strange. I am excited about said chain. However, I'm not
excited about how to get into said chain. Were you were you in the conversation with artifact?
I think earlier this week, are you talking about two different chains?
No, no, same chain. You're sure? I think you're talking about two different chains.
I'm sure. I remember this conversation and I've seen two conversations are very similar.
I mean, you could both say it out loud at the same time.
No, I'm 100% not going to. Say it in the private chat and I'll
educate. I'm pretty sure you're talking about different chains.
Well, I don't want to talk about anything other than how interesting it was that we don't have to
run a separate price feeder. Yeah, I mean, I think that's awesome. I think that
channel is a lot of cool things going for it. I'm pretty excited about it.
It's just, yeah, I'll just say I'm excited about it and leave it at that because I can't verify
what I'm saying for truth. So also, you know, I have one more thing to say here.
They're naming of the daemon wrong. It is objectively wrong. They could have done so
much better. They should have asked me and I would have given them a way better name.
Like they had a very clear pattern they could have run with and they didn't.
The pain, the absolute pain of that name and it, you know, heavy use of tab complete when
doing like, you know, anything there is just tab, tab, tab 100%. One shortcut.
You can happen to know that I do know. What's commanding up? Oh, so controller, you know.
Oh, controller. Yeah. No, this is just then if you're banging out a bunch of different ones
in a row, you just want to tab complete the daemon name. It's so annoying.
Anyway, what else has been going on? I've been doing all of the talking here.
Well, we've done the news and it's taken us an hour. We're now game of
nose to fucking news podcast. So we've now reached final form. It's quite impressive,
actually, to see how far we come. All it took was you separate to fuck off for a few weeks
for us to get our shit together. The other participants in this calls participation rate
in the news is dismal, by the way. I think you all need to do further research before each episode.
I have a lot of research. You just had to throw down your gondola in the beginning and saying,
no, I'm going first. And I was like, okay, well, whatever you do, you think then?
Well, what if you step on my news? She'll see then I'd be fucked, wouldn't I?
That's what I'm saying. So what, what, what, what further news do you have?
I mean, you covered a lot of it. I threw up the Cosmos Hub one as well. There's other things, but
I don't know. I'm not, I don't have enough context to really discuss them. So
Cosmos, I think it's pretty easy to discuss because it's high drama, right?
But like the Adam Accelerator research fighting off renewed. I don't know. I don't know.
I haven't, I've not heard of this. Rama says, did we talk about all these chains locking tokens
for our ICA on the hub, then hitting the unbonding limit and no one telling users?
Does anyone know what that means?
No, I'm seeing a lot of shaking heads. Yeah, I've no idea what that means.
Rama, we don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Sorry, but,
but it sounds like everybody's getting rocked again.
I did not know that there was an unbonding limit.
I didn't know there was an unbonding limit either.
Is that like, look at the code.
I know there's like an ETH unbonding limit. It's right now, like it takes like a couple
of days to unbond, but because there's so many people unbonding, it takes like 45 days to unbond
right now. Something crazy. But I didn't know there was something like that for Cosmos.
Oh, seven unbondings per account. Yeah, everybody knows that.
Oh, not chain wide. It's an account. Okay. Yeah, okay.
Maybe they should have a like counter in the, in Kepler. It's like you're free delegated or unbonded
X amount of times from this account. It does reset though, doesn't it? After those
redells or unbonds are finished, doesn't it reset? Yeah, it's active unbondings.
Yeah. I mean, it's kind of a weird thing to do, right? Why, if you have seven individual unbondings
ongoing, like why, I guess it bloats the state to some degree. If you have a lot of unbondings,
maybe it's an attack vector. Like if you had 10,000, you Juno and did 10,000 unbondings
on 10,000 accounts, I guess all of that information has to be passed through the state.
That's true. And that would be duplicated for every block basically. Yeah, exactly.
ICA vaults could have lots. Yeah, I guess so. So wait, hold on. Okay. So what you're saying,
Rometh, is that people have put tokens into, oh shit, Quasar? Is that how it's pronounced?
Frey, come on now. I see that look. Is that right? Someone give me a thumbs up.
The Frey calls it Quasar or something weird. No, I'm the one that calls it weird. That's
what I had to verify. All right. I know someone's dropping weird names at it.
Yeah. Okay. So they put the tokens into Quasar, which then bonds them to Osmo pools.
And people are unable to unbond from that. Is that what it's saying? Like they don't have that
working? Rometh says some Cosmos Millions and Quasar users been waiting two months to unbond
and no one has said anything. Really? So James has clarified how to say that it's
Quasar. Quasar. Got it. Interesting. So is that true in general? Was there a bug that caused
that to happen, Rometh? Or was it that, like, obviously that wasn't designed to be the case?
Like, obviously they intended you to be able to unbond. But is this like a known bug or was
this known to have gone into production with this bug effectively? Like, does that make sense?
Okay. Okay. So I guess they've put out a statement about it not working right now.
Now I'm curious. Now I need to look into this. Rometh says Cosmos Millions has released a statement
two days ago. I think Quasar still hasn't. I mean, what is Cosmos Millions? Is that a chain or is it
like something that's on Quasar? For everybody listening, literally everybody is now doing
alternate research or fixing something. I'm utterly fascinated now. Like, this is so okay.
So I've talked about Quasar quite a few times. I think it's a really cool product. I think they do
cool things. I didn't notice the limitation. So, oh, this is fascinating. Hey, so something else
we might be able to mention while you're looking at that is actually, no, we probably can't mention
that. Dang it. I don't want to get in trouble. Oh, no, it's, I gotta work on the filter.
Yeah, Frey, what are you doing in there, man? You've been on mute for a long time and looking
at your laptop. Are you over there dev-opping? Yeah, having to do some ops and shit.
And is it repaired? No, they, I've got the feeling it's going to be a late one.
Oh, no. Yeah, well, dang. Yeah, whatever, man. Everything is just a
fucking lack of sleep at the moment, isn't it really? It's just, yeah, it's kind of fine.
Yeah, I mean, like with the young family at the moment, you must be sort of quite often
be doing all nighters early mornings, late nights, you've got to fit in the work with the bean action.
Yeah, I don't really know. Because like we can, one of the good things about, I guess, like being
full-time freelance, obviously, like you have specific calls and things you have to do with
clients. But if you have to do specific work, you can just do it whatever time, when you can fit it
in. It's only the calls and things that you have to do on their time zone and their kind of whatever.
But so you end up working a normal amount of hours, sometimes you end up working more hours.
But whatever pattern, you can just humanly fit it in. Literally, I have no fucking clue
how it's possible to have like an under six because it's only like recently that things
calmed down a bit. And you get the odd week where things are inexplicably quite fine,
but you can't bank on it and things change so often. I honestly don't know if I was still
working on the job I had five years ago, I had to get up fucking 637 or clock every day, whatever,
and commute, go into the office, talk to other humans for six, seven hours in the day, like
interact with other people, be coherent, then come home. I just don't know where the hours are.
What the fuck? At the moment now, it's like you do like three hours work, you have a 10-minute nap,
you tidy up all the shit around the house that's fucked, you have two slices of toast,
then you work for three hours, then you do all the other baby shit that he's doing,
then you work for an hour, then you have dinner and have 20 minutes with your partner,
then you do another half. You can split it up in such a way that nothing's falling apart,
that all of the washing is getting done, that things are kind of... Yeah, I don't know, man.
I don't know how... Maybe every parent looks at every other parent and goes,
how the fuck do people function? Yeah, I just don't know how you're supposed to do it around
like a really rigid schedule because the baby kind of makes their own schedule. It's Matt.
I mean, I see exactly where you're coming from, but I am in the same situation in you as that.
I work from home on my own schedule, but I would find it very hard to fit in something to look
after that's not already in my schedule. I pretty much spend most of the day working,
and as you say, doing the other things in between up until a certain time where I cut off,
and then I go and do some exercise, then I come back and cook dinner and then do some more work
or spend some time with... So the exercise that's now... You have a baby, that's not gone.
It doesn't exist anymore. Unless you're insanely disciplined or you work
into between your house and your office, it's probably gone. And that cooking dinner,
forget about that cooking dinner. Yeah, it's eggs on toast now.
Well, I actually cook lunch and dinner and breakfast.
Wow.
So I guess that's what I'm claiming.
You're going to love the one hour you get on Sunday to make soup for every day of the week.
Yeah, you're going to need to be much more efficient about that cooking business.
It needs to be cooked ahead of time, but still nutritious enough that you don't die.
But microwaveable, ideally.
People are going to probably question why I'm on to this so late, but I have found the airfriar
to just be the business.
Did you bring some last week as well?
Did I? I just cook chicken in that bitch every day for lunch. So preparing is going to the airfriar,
throwing the two bits of chicken in there and turning it on and then coming back later to eat
it. So I feel like it's pretty efficient if you're already at home.
So Ben Davis says that babies with a nine to five means your partner now hates you
and you compete about who is most tired.
It kind of makes it.
That's plausible. I'm sure that's looking forward to that imminently in my future when we're both
back at work. Anyway, but yeah, whatever. I can definitely see that in my future.
My partner and I compete on everything.
I think last that last that we, to be fair, last that we, we will hate each other and
more than we'll compete, I think, both naturally competitive.
I mean, why have a partner if you're not competing, right?
Yeah. I mean, we have it. I win. I'm we don't really, I'm not allowed to play board games
because apparently I'm a I'm a I'm a sore loser and a bad winner.
So I think possibly I'm not much fun to compete against anyway.
Yeah, I think we talked about board games like last week or the week before.
I'm terrible to play board games with because I hate them.
But also my partner is terrible to play board games with because it sounds like she's exactly like you
gets upset if she loses and then stuffs it down your throat if she wins,
which is every time. So to be fair, I think I'm actually a better loser than I'm made out to be.
Like, I think, I think the point is the manner in which like the spirit in which the game is played,
like if we're just all dicking around and it's just like a friendly, it's just like it's cool,
just like boys to be boys, just some of the lads playing a board game, a couple of pints,
board game, you know, whatever. If you know it's about the playing, it's about being with friends,
you win, you lose, potato, potato, it's a wazzy, it's a woozy, whatever, man.
But if like, if there's something who really fucking cares, who really cares a lot, then it's
like, I think it's more about the person you're across the table from like, if somebody is getting
into it, oh, then we're going to get into it. Like, and then, then, yeah, then sure. I don't want to,
like, and then if you get into it, and then just because of bad dice rolls or whatever,
you lose to somebody whose strat was way worse, you just kind of like, ah, come on, man. Come on.
Ridiculous. What games are you playing? I'm curious. That has a strategy and dice.
No, no, I've got quite a few games that are like, I've got like a couple of three plus hundred
dollar board games. So I'm just curious what you're referring to. Okay, hang on, which, which, which,
which board games you work? Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on,
Schiltz, do you not have a dedicated games playing table?
I do, actually. Yes, I spend like $4,000 on it. Hold on, hold on, I can pull this bad boy.
Wait, what? I maybe would not have specified.
Oh, wait, my follow up question is going to be answered by America, right?
I was about to say, how the fuck do you have the space for a dedicated fucking gaming table?
So, okay, yeah, so I'll put a link in the chat. So where the fuck are you going to put that,
Schiltz? So it's not going to be. So the reason why it works as a dedicated gaming table is because
the top slats come off. And so it has a vault inside that you can put your board games inside
of. And then when you want to use it as a table again, you just put the slots, slots back on top
of. Oh, so it can be used as a regular table as well. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I looked at the
link. The most fucking decadent table I've ever seen in my entire life. I can't believe it has a
it has a bloody turning. I'm not getting that one. That one's like $15,000. That is not what I'm
getting. Okay. It's minus like, minus their modular gaming table where it's like their
cheap version. I don't have the one where you crank and the vault goes up. That is amazing.
I would love to have it. I am not putting that much money into it. That is like astonishing,
genuinely astonishing. Would you buy the man who has everything you buy a table with a cranky,
rotaty thing? That's wild. That's totally insane. So it can be optioned to right, Schiltz, with
like drink holders and like little card things. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. There's all sorts of accessories
that I have coming for it. Oh, you better believe it. Well, so the thing is, though, I'm more
interested in using it for role playing than I am for board games, right? Which is like a completely
different section. So like board games really enjoy board games. They're fantastic. But role
playing is where I really like Dungeons and Dragons and I'm not a huge fun Dungeons and Dragons fan,
but as that example, everyone knows those Dungeons and Dragons. Love playing Dungeons and Dragons.
I mean, for one, Woods of the Coast are huge assholes. So that's like for number one. Like
very recently, they're playing on changing the licensing for us so that anyone who basically
used the words in like YouTube would have to pay them for just saying it. Like their license right
now is pretty good. Or they reverted it to its old one, which is good. You have got an open ability
to use like fighters, whether it's whatever, whereas before they were going really hardcore into it.
But Woods of the Coast is awful. Dungeons and Dragons is just not very creative. There are
some way more interesting settings out there than Dungeons and Dragons. So I'm sorry.
I mean, I don't play. I know a fair few people that do that. And the one, the kind of Lovecraftian
one, whatever that one's called. Call Cthulhu, yeah. Yeah. And then the Cyberpunk-y one, is that
Netrun? There's a couple. There's Shadowrun. There's also just Cyberpunk. Like that's just Ava.
I think it's the one with Run in the name. Yeah. So I think that's Shadowrun.
Okay. But I don't have any direct experience of them. So that's the end of my,
I don't have anything useful to add. Sorry. I love them. I think they're amazing. I haven't
been able to do it for a long time because like I used to have a really like close crew. We'd do
it every week. And then COVID hit and my friend group basically exploded after that because
people moved off the place because they wanted to get away from the city and blah, blah, blah, blah.
But I've been able to play actually quite a while and it's very sad.
That is kind of a bummer. I've decided that one of my dad's personas is to get back into
that kind of stuff. Because during COVID, we were doing like worms, like playing worms online
every week, like doing like six rounds. It got really competitive actually. Everybody was tracking
their kill death ratio and everything. But I'm just like, okay, well now we don't do like,
I don't really have any kind of regular things in. I'm just like, okay, let's give me a table
set. Table top gaming, get back into it. That's what we're going to do. That's my plan. I just
need to fucking like a, it's like marketing your shit coin actually. You need to just like, or
heroin, you need to give people their first taste free, you know, like kind of get them into it,
like give them a free couple of models or a rule book or some shit.
Do you have to register to sell heroin? I'm pretty sure that's just straight up illegal.
I think if you just give somebody a couple of like games workshop minis, you don't have to
register with the FCA, but I'm not a lawyer. If you're trying to market your games night,
possibly that's a cult or a Ponzi. I don't know which you might need to register with
the financial conduct authority, but I suspect not. Well, a mini is like an NFT. And since you
don't have to register if you sell an NFT, you probably wouldn't.
You're probably okay. I've actually, this is massively off topic now, but I've been,
I've actually been recently in some sleep, the sleep deprived thing,
but trying to do something useful with the time. I got shoved, I got given a big box of stuff
from by my parents from the loft. And in it was a bunch of Warhammer from when I was like 12.
And it's shit. It's so badly done. It's so badly painted, it's really badly assembled, whatever.
And I've decided, I've basically kit bashing my bullshit 12 year old attempts and then stripping
the pain, but then kit bashing them into valid models for the current meta. And at some point,
I'll get around. To be honest, actually, the problem I've always found with minis is that
assembling them is really fun and I really love kit bashing, but actually painting is a massive,
massive time sink. So that's, don't know if I'll actually ever get them painted, but I hope I will.
Have you seen the Warhammer space marines memes on YouTube?
No, I don't. I got it. I'll send you. I will enjoy presumably, I wasn't marine's player back in the
day. But yeah, whatever. Anyway, yeah, the only thing I was thinking about that gaming table
was that of like my kind of tabletop game of choice. I don't know if it's a choice. It's the
only one I really have done any of it recently is a team Yankee and you need a six by four foot
table. So that would be quite, that's I think bigger than that gaming table that you posted
quite a bit. Like also, who the fuck has space for a six by four fucking table? I mean, I don't.
That's the problem. Yeah, I don't really either. I'll make it work though. Yeah. At the moment,
I guess it's just going to be on the floor like kids, but we're kind of fired, I guess, you know,
revert to form. Yeah, so validating, huh? This is kind of a late topic put at the end. But honestly,
there have been a lot of great validators popping up in chat that I hadn't seen before.
Like I've started to see people fall off the end of sets and seeing new people come back in that
I actually really enjoy. There was some there's some good characters popping in there have unfortunately
have been people dropping out too. And I mean, you know, a year or more is a long time. Yeah,
people do just constantly run at a loss. And you got to remember like a lot of the validators
are hobbyists. And, you know, it seems like a good thing to get into. And then you're kind of stuck.
And I guess you're always just hoping that the next bull run is around the corner, but it doesn't
necessarily work out that way. The next one is the leap home, right? Yeah, exactly. So,
you know, people looking to try and, you know, recover their their inputs over, you know,
12 or 18 months or whatever. And then that not eventually waiting and then, you know,
eventually having to capitulate and go back to not doing that. A lot of people support their
validators with their nine to five. Like it's, I think everyone out there thinks it's like this
glorious thing where you just make money hand over fist, but not necessarily the case. So,
yeah, unfortunate to see that some people have been shaken out. But, you know, also good to see
more people entering the space. It's always good to have like more minds on the job, you know,
I think you're seeing that a bit more with like whenever an upgrade goes a bit funny. Now I'm
seeing more status notifications of like validators then going inactive and then not coming back online.
And I think those are just on, they're basically unattended validators and even some of those are
from larger validation companies and they've just, I guess they just
Well, they probably put this off numbers as well. Yeah. And it's like just not the coverage that
they need to be across everything. Yeah. It used to see like the odd thing where I like somebody
will get pinged and it's just a dead discord name. And that's presumably where that I haven't seen.
Yeah. I've seen that a couple of times. You see, it says like people have an upgrade to the new
discord name format. It would just say like discord user, but it's usually because somebody,
I guess, had a work account and they killed it off. Yeah. It's unfortunate to see, but, you know,
that's crypto.