1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Good morning, good afternoon and good evening everybody. 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,160 It's your girl, Sonia McQueen with your mind, 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,360 your body, your choice. 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,600 All right, so I have this guest today. 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,240 This is my friend, my brother from another mother, 6 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:19,800 my ex manager who I'm begging to be my manager again, 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,160 Mr. Glendale Whitney. 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,560 Hello, Glenn. 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,160 Hey, love, how you doing? 10 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,720 I'm good and you guys just, I wanna let you know 11 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,280 he's in the mountains some day I'm where 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,440 with terrible service. 13 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,320 So if we lose Glenn, I'm sorry. 14 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,440 We'll just try again. 15 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,400 All right, Glenn, you know, you're one of my top seven. 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,880 So I had to have this time with you and you know, 17 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,080 we're tight today. 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,320 So are you ready? 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,360 I'm ready. 20 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,080 Okay, I'll tell you guys at the end if there's time 21 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,120 how I met Glenn. 22 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,920 And if not, I'll type it. 23 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,920 So Glenn, I know during all your years on this earth 24 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,600 you had time in the military. 25 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,640 Tell me about what took you to the military 26 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,000 and what branch you served 27 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,840 and how your stint was in the military. 28 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:19,960 Ah, well, coming from a small town in Missouri, 29 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:22,320 I had to get out of there. 30 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:27,320 And so one of the major catalysts besides the racism 31 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,880 was my father. 32 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,880 He was a very loving man, but he was a man of very few words. 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,240 And when I was 14 years old, he was walking past my room 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,840 and he said, you know, son, I love you, but you got to go. 35 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,640 And like I said, he was a man of faith. 36 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,080 Like I said, he was a man of few words. 37 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,840 So I was making sure that I had some place to go 38 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,560 by the time I graduated. 39 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,960 One also another factor, how I ended up in the military 40 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,120 was being back in Missouri, you know, 41 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,120 I went to an all white school 42 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,600 and the few blacks that were there, 43 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,560 we were the top athletes. 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,600 And we would also, one of the problems was that 45 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,600 as an athlete, when it came to scholarships 46 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:29,600 and promoting kids, they did not want to promote us 47 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,640 with the colleges because we were taking away positions 48 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:35,040 from other white kids. 49 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,840 Oh, wow. 50 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,600 Yes. 51 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,600 So I was making sure that nobody had control over my life 52 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,520 and that's how I ended up in the United States Navy. 53 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,360 In the Navy. 54 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,280 I won't hold the Navy against you seeing I'm an army girl. 55 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:56,640 So one of the main reasons I did want to interview you 56 00:02:56,640 --> 00:03:01,640 just to change subjects from the things I normally speak of 57 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:04,720 is the racism part because, you know, 58 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,720 I ex-military as well and my father was ex-military 59 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,400 and I have never in my 53 years 60 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,400 been subject to any kind of racism, not outwardly. 61 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,320 You know, maybe people said things behind my back, 62 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,640 but I grew up with friends of all races. 63 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:26,520 I had German friends, I had Asian friends, 64 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,440 I had Caucasian friends, I had black friends. 65 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,000 I just had friends. 66 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,160 And it was no big deal for me to go stay the night 67 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,560 at my white friend's house or my Asian friend 68 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,800 or my German friend to stay the night at my, 69 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,280 it was no big deal. 70 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,880 And in my family, on my mom's side, 71 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,920 if you came to one of our family reunions, 72 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,960 you'd never know what race it is. 73 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,920 There's so many Caucasians, there's Dutch people, 74 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,320 there's German people, there's Mexican people, 75 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,040 there's black people, there's mixed people. 76 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,160 And it just looks like a smorgasbord of race. 77 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,600 But I know you didn't have it like that. 78 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,760 So besides the military and you, 79 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,560 well, your school, you facing some racism, just tell me 80 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,400 about, give me a couple of circumstances or situations 81 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,040 where you had to deal with racism. 82 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,480 Well, gosh, racism started, 83 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,440 my first experience, not as it's gonna sound crazy, 84 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,760 but I had never met, until I was four years old, 85 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,120 I'd never seen a white person. 86 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,080 Oh my gosh. 87 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,520 So then we moved to Kansas City 88 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,960 and my uncle, over staying with my uncle, 89 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,760 and he had a white neighbor. 90 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,760 And his kid was waving at me and summoning me over. 91 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,880 So I went over the fence to see this white kid. 92 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,480 And you know, I'm four years old, next thing I know, 93 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,640 I'm touching the fence and this kid starts 94 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,040 smacking my hands with a stick. 95 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,480 What? 96 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,440 Yes. 97 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:12,240 And I was shocked, but at the same time, 98 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,080 I wouldn't let go of the fence. 99 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,240 And my mother comes running over, screaming 100 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,720 and all the rest of it to try to solve it. 101 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,280 But that was my first experience. 102 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,520 How old was the kid about? 103 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,880 Oh, he was probably about eight years old. 104 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,200 He was considerably larger, yes. 105 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:37,200 And also when we moved from the inner city 106 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,480 after Dr. Martin Luther King got killed, 107 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,400 we moved to the suburbs. 108 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,560 My sister and I are playing in the snow 109 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,240 and a group of white boys are crashing sleds 110 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,720 into each other and they decided they wanna crash 111 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,280 into me and my sister. 112 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,840 So we get to the bottom of the hill, you know, 113 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:03,480 it's getting ready to be on and I just told my sister 114 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,360 to run and get help. 115 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,680 Oh, wow. 116 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,360 And because back in the day, 117 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,280 that's what they were used to doing. 118 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:14,120 You know what I'm saying? 119 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,640 And they were doing it with impunity 120 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,560 and this is what people were teaching their kids. 121 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,640 So I, I mean, I, this, this hate 122 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,920 that I could never understand, 123 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,960 I've had to accept that it exists. 124 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,960 And I've had, it's changed my life 125 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,080 and how I deal with people because, you know, 126 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,840 you go from being loving and accepting, 127 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:40,360 though I am at heart, but at the same time, 128 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,640 I've had to turn into this, this, this beast 129 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,560 that, you know, will choke you out, you know, 130 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,200 at the drop of a hat. 131 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,720 He is a beast, you guys. 132 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,680 I do wanna throw that in there. 133 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,520 He is, Glenn is not a small guy by any means. 134 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,440 He's, he's big and I don't mean fat. 135 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,520 I mean, he's, he's cocked, dieseled out, you know, 136 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,080 all muscular and he's tall on top of that. 137 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,760 And, and he is serious about life. 138 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,320 So I feel sorry for anybody who just wants to take that. 139 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,800 That's something him and my oldest brother have in common. 140 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,440 Just big for no reason. 141 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,760 And, and they, they're serious about their lives 142 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,360 and the lives of people who are around them. 143 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,440 So Glenn, I know even with that as a kid, 144 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,680 it didn't end there for you because then you grew up, 145 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,960 you went into military and then you became, 146 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,000 was your next move being a police officer? 147 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:38,840 Yes. 148 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,880 And then you faced racism there, right? 149 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:42,720 Yes. 150 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,000 Oh my gosh. 151 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,440 You know, and it's funny, the, the, the military is a, 152 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,600 you know, being, being on a submarine, 153 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,960 everybody's lives are in each other's hands. 154 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,520 And so whatever pettiness, you know, 155 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,000 or idiosyncrasies you have, 156 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,520 you have to sit that aside in order to survive. 157 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:04,360 That's right. 158 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,720 But it's not like that out here in ComSyfPAC 159 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,160 is what we used to call it, being a civilian. 160 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,520 So I get to the police department 161 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,280 on the all white police department, 162 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,880 except for the seven of us that were black, 163 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,920 there were 11 Hispanic males. 164 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:22,960 There was one Asian. 165 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,280 That's right. 166 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:29,280 And there were 23 female whites and over a hundred male whites. 167 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,260 Oh my gosh. 168 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:38,160 And we had to deal with the issues of us black officers. 169 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,800 They would put us all separated on shifts 170 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,040 where no two blacks could work together. 171 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,240 And if we ever saw each other in court, 172 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,240 they would all stop and look at us until we disbanded. 173 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,120 So here's, here's, here's something I want to touch on 174 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,080 just real quick. 175 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,600 I've never had a problem with the police officer at all, 176 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,000 but I do notice, you know, when I watch the news, 177 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:13,000 it's always when white officers kill a black man mostly, 178 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 but there have been some black women as well. 179 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 There's always the question, 180 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,280 why are black officers standing around watching? 181 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,840 Why aren't they doing anything? 182 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,480 Why aren't they speaking up? 183 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,840 Is there really like a band of brothers, 184 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,840 even though you guys are also being racially discriminated against? 185 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,840 Is there a band of brothers where you still have to protect 186 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,120 this cop doing wrong? 187 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,880 Well, I'll say it like this. 188 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,880 For every race of people or every gender of people 189 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,560 that have been subjugated or abused, 190 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:53,600 there's always been members of their communities 191 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,760 who have collaborated with their oppressors. 192 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,200 And as far as law enforcement is concerned, 193 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,200 there are some black cops that try to play 194 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,480 like everybody else, we're just blue. 195 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,040 But at the end of the day, 196 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,920 they're just another nigger with a gun when they get off duty. 197 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,920 And what a lot of people don't realize was back in the 80s, 198 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,440 the number one killer of law enforcement officers 199 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,800 and black law enforcement in Los Angeles 200 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,600 was white law enforcement officers. 201 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,120 Because when you get off duty, 202 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,680 you're just another nigger with a gun. 203 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:39,520 Just another nigger with a gun. 204 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,160 That's the reality. 205 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,840 And the term that they used to use was, 206 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,200 for us was second class badge. 207 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,280 So at this, the city that I worked for at that time 208 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,680 was the city of Santa Monica. 209 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:57,240 And a lot of people think that Santa Monica, California 210 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,240 is a very liberal city. 211 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:00,840 It is not. 212 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,560 And like I said, we would have running nigger targets 213 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,520 on our lockers. 214 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,240 I had a gentleman, I had a, that I arrested, 215 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,680 well, what happened was that 216 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,240 an assault victim and a white officer 217 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,160 was screaming for a code nine. 218 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,560 We go, we set up a perimeter. 219 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:29,160 I see the gentleman up under a vehicle. 220 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,880 It's a male black, I see him, he sees me. 221 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,480 I called in everyone, we were just gonna go in. 222 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,480 I thought to arrest him. 223 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,480 And next thing I know, I see the guy 224 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,560 that I'd been riding with all night, 225 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:45,600 screaming at him, freeze, you MF, 226 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,080 you know, I'm gonna kill you. 227 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,160 Well, all night in the car, 228 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:55,160 he had, he'd been talking about shooting somebody 229 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,080 because he just got a new gun 230 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,080 and he wanted to see how it worked. 231 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Shooting somebody because he got a new gun? 232 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,280 Yes, because he got a new gun, yes. 233 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,280 So when he started screaming at this guy, 234 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,440 I'm like, oh my God, he's getting ready to kill him. 235 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,440 And the guy looks at me and I'm looking at him 236 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,240 and the brother just takes off running. 237 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,840 And I just stayed down behind the car 238 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,520 because I didn't wanna see him get shot. 239 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,080 Well, after a few seconds and no shots are ringing, 240 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,760 I come from behind the vehicle. 241 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:29,880 I take off running. 242 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,080 We ran probably about a quarter of a mile. 243 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,920 We outran the perimeter. 244 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,120 I end up catching him, handcuffing him. 245 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,920 And we started laughing because we're two brothers. 246 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,320 I mean, it was a track meet. 247 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,640 So finally, the supervisor and the other officers 248 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,600 show up at the scene. 249 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:51,920 We're both sitting on the ground. 250 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,680 He's got his hands handcuffed behind his back 251 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:56,520 and they turn the canine looks. 252 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:01,520 So now I've got a German shepherd 253 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,000 running at two brothers on the ground 254 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,680 and I'm not trying to get fit. 255 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:07,680 So I rolled out of the way. 256 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:10,800 And next thing I know, this dog jumps into this guy's stomach 257 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,920 and he's on the ground screaming and he's kicking 258 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,840 and trying to get away from the dog. 259 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,880 And I'm like, what in the hell are y'all doing? 260 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,600 And then they run up on me patting me on the back way. 261 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,200 If they make you chase them, you gotta kick them. 262 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,320 And they were started stomping this guy. 263 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,320 Oh my gosh. 264 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,760 My supervisor is sitting there watching this like this is, 265 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,760 you know, this is part for the course. 266 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,960 Well, once they found out that I was not down for that, 267 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,160 I started having problems at the police department. 268 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,600 And I end up leaving there 269 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,000 and going to an all black police department 270 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:00,000 and I myself, a brother named Don Jackson 271 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,760 and Henry McCray end up starting this organization 272 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,960 called Law Enforcement Officers for Justice. 273 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,480 And we were investigating officer involved shootings. 274 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,600 We were teaching people in the community 275 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,360 how to file complaints against officers. 276 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,560 And, you know, if you look up Don Jackson, 277 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,680 you'll see a video where Long Beach PD 278 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,960 puts his head through a play glass window. 279 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,680 That's us, you know, that's the organization. 280 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:33,080 And we ended up getting rid of four police chiefs 281 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,240 from different cities because of the stuff 282 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,000 that they were allowing these white officers 283 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,240 to do to black citizens. 284 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,440 I'm so dumbfounded right now. 285 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,120 I forgot we're interviewing. 286 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,040 You know, coming from first person, 287 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,960 I see this stuff on the news, you know, 288 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,640 it is foreign to me. 289 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,120 It's foreign to me. 290 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,120 I'm really kumbaya. 291 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,640 Everybody loves everybody, you know, 292 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,440 and I see the racism on TV and I'm like, wow, this is, 293 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,920 you know, it's sad. 294 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,320 A lot of these things have made me reduce me to tears, 295 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,480 but I keep thinking people really can't be that bad. 296 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,600 There can't be that many bad people out there. 297 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,000 And I even think sometimes, well, you know, 298 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,920 how many other races get killed by police, you know, 299 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,400 how many, there was something on the news 300 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,720 maybe four or five months ago saying 301 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,800 that they don't sensationalize white people getting killed 302 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,520 by white cops, but white people get killed by white cops 303 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,760 at a higher rate in percentage than black people. 304 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,680 And I was going to look into that and never did, 305 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,160 never looked into it, but. 306 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,360 That's true, but you have to take that into context. 307 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,200 That's why you always hear people talk about 308 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,800 black on black crime, right? 309 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,160 Right. 310 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:07,160 Well, you gotta realize you only have access 311 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,520 to what you're exposed to. 312 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,600 White people kill white people at a higher rate 313 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,000 because they have access to white people. 314 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,160 You understand what I'm saying? 315 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,120 Blacks kill blacks because we have access to blacks. 316 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,280 But what you don't have is the extradition, 317 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,720 extradition killing of people, 318 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,520 of white people by white officers. 319 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:39,200 But that's what you have with white on black. 320 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,440 That's the difference. 321 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,280 Very well put. 322 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:45,120 Thank you. 323 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,480 Thank you for that. 324 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,120 Man, anything else you wanna share about any of this 325 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,080 before I move to the next subject? 326 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,560 No, it hurts my heart. 327 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,880 No, it hurts my heart. 328 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,720 Yeah, that was something else for me 329 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,360 and that's something I didn't know. 330 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,360 I know a lot about you, but I didn't know any of that. 331 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:08,360 So I was just sitting here with my mouth open 332 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:09,880 and catching flies. 333 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,200 So, man. 334 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,520 Don't catch no flies, Mary. 335 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,320 Okay, I wanted to move on to your experience working 336 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:24,160 in television because you were not working in television 337 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,000 when I met you. 338 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,520 However, you were able to get me as my manager 339 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,080 on television quite often. 340 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,200 As a matter of fact, before I moved, 341 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:40,200 you, Dr. Phil's show had reached out to me. 342 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:43,880 Even Steve Harvey, I just found this email the other day. 343 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,240 Steve Harvey's show had reached out to me. 344 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,280 I didn't wanna do either one of those shows. 345 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:49,560 Now I kick myself. 346 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,760 Oprah's show Lost and Found reached out to me, 347 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,000 which I was going to do, 348 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,200 but then they went off the air the season 349 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,800 before I was supposed to be on the show. 350 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,320 And of course I was on, you know, Fox, ABC, CBS, 351 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:04,760 ABC, all that stuff. 352 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,520 You took care of all that. 353 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,520 So minus me, tell me about your career working 354 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,160 with television and I hope something went well. 355 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:21,160 Well, all while I was working in law enforcement, 356 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,200 I was writing and producing shows for public access. 357 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,640 You know, this was kind of my stress release. 358 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,560 And after I retired from the Compton Police Department, 359 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:40,840 I ended up going to Inside Edition American Journal. 360 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,320 Work there, met a lot of great people, 361 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,840 worked with the Geraldo's brother, Craig Rivera, 362 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,280 Chip White, who's Vanna White's brother. 363 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:53,640 It was a great crew. 364 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,720 It was a fantastic crew. 365 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:02,080 And while I was there, I was told I had to, 366 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,880 look at this way, the Lord told me I had to go 367 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,680 and start a production company back in Missouri. 368 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,680 So eventually I capitulate, I come back to Missouri 369 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,440 and I was working for a couple, 370 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,760 what was that? 371 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,840 I worked for a Christian radio television station 372 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,600 and then I ended up working for Fox News. 373 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,080 So here I am, Kansas City of Fox News. 374 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,920 And everybody, people don't understand 375 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,880 that everybody gets the same information 376 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,880 that comes over the Associated Press. 377 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,680 But then we were having people who wanted 378 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,440 to put their own slant on it. 379 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,440 And at that time, I was always getting into fights 380 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:51,320 in the newsroom about the crap that they were trying 381 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,360 to peddle. 382 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:56,040 So I would read the scripts and I would tell them, 383 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,720 you guys can't say this on air. 384 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,640 And everybody wanted to fight, I said, fine, 385 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,080 let me go find the $200,000 mouthpieces 386 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,080 gonna have to read this. 387 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,960 Fortunately at that time, it was a black person. 388 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,960 And she said, oh, hell no, I'm not reading this. 389 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:20,360 And that was the battle that I had working at Fox. 390 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,560 That was only at Fox though, not inside edition or? 391 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,560 No, not, no, no, this was only at Fox. 392 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,920 And then people were like, 393 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,920 I can finally tell people that this country 394 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,120 and the mindset that the people have, they don't understand, 395 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:44,720 it's been run by a billionaire, Ozzy, 396 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,160 who was all he cares about is money. 397 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:54,080 And we see now how it's all played out with Donald Duck 398 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,240 and the Dominion lawsuit and Rupert Murdoch, 399 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:03,240 hey, he's gonna lose big on this one, 400 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,680 but that's a whole nother subject. 401 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,680 But no, I ended up leaving there 402 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,240 because I got hired by a church in Leewood, Kansas 403 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,800 to start a production company, 404 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,800 which was the reason that God told me to go back 405 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,960 to Missouri in the first place. 406 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,960 And so started a production company, everything went great. 407 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:35,600 And then my father-in-law came down with ALS 408 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,840 and I had started my own production company also on the side. 409 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,040 I left the church, I had to go to Colorado 410 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,600 to take care of my father-in-law 411 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,840 with this bout of a Lou Gehrig's disease until he died. 412 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,840 And basically when you and I ended up hooking up, 413 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:04,880 I was no longer doing film and television production. 414 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,200 That's what I was doing security then 415 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,760 because it's funny how, well, you know how I look. 416 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,600 Yeah. 417 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,040 One of the problems that I have with people 418 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,040 is if I asked you to describe me, 419 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,720 if the first things you said were big and black, 420 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:32,640 you don't see me. 421 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,600 You understand what I'm saying? 422 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:36,920 And so I've always, 423 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,480 when you've always had people viewing you like that, 424 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,120 people will pay me crazy amounts of money 425 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,760 to hurt people, to train people. 426 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,000 I'm talking about private security and things like that. 427 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:55,000 I've worked for countless people. 428 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,080 I don't even wanna tell you who I've worked for. 429 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:06,080 But, you know, but for me to be able to go to a place 430 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,960 and say, you know what, I just wanna write, 431 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,160 I just wanna edit, I wanna produce stuff. 432 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,160 You know, but they want you to fit in their bubble, 433 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,520 in the parameters that they see you. 434 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,520 And unfortunately, that's where I was when we met. 435 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,040 Okay, well, it was my blessing 436 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,360 because now I can tell you guys, 437 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:38,440 because I see I have a few minutes here. 438 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,440 When I met Glenn, a friend had talked me into going out. 439 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,960 And I like going out to dance sometimes, you know, 440 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,400 but I was one of those people that I'm only going to dance 441 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,440 and I'm only dancing on the fast songs 442 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,960 and don't ask me to slow dance. 443 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,160 I don't know you like that. 444 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,000 So I was watching her dance 445 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,840 and I was sitting on like the top tier at this club. 446 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,080 Guys asked me to dance. 447 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,080 It was slow music. 448 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,120 So I was saying, no, thank you, no, thank you. 449 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,280 And I happened to notice Glenn. 450 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:17,160 And I'd noticed women walking up to Glenn to talk to him 451 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,000 and he would always like push him at a hands, 452 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,120 you know, arms length away from him. 453 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,720 And he would put his hands behind his back 454 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,760 and put his head down so he could hear them 455 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:27,600 because he's tall. 456 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,640 How tall are you, Glenn, about? 457 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,480 Six two. 458 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,320 Six two, okay. 459 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,200 So he would put his head down, you know, 460 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,720 his ear towards their mouth so he could hear them, 461 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,120 but never let them, you know, close enough to be under him. 462 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,800 Which was weird because the club I was in, 463 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,080 all the other bouncers were on the dance floor 464 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,400 and they were drinking. 465 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,640 So finally I got up, you know, I needed entertainment. 466 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,600 So I went over there to talk to him and I told him, 467 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,840 I was watching you. 468 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,400 And I noticed that every time a female came over here 469 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,280 to talk to you, you know, you would put your arm out 470 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,240 to keep him aware. 471 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,840 I was like, what are you doing? 472 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,520 And he laughed at me and he was like, you know, 473 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,800 I'm here to work, you know, 474 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,960 I'm not here to pick up anybody, I'm here to work. 475 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,240 I was like, yeah, but all the other guys are on the floor 476 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,800 and I think he called him idiots, 477 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,960 but he was just like, that's what they do. 478 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:18,800 That's what they do. 479 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,040 They drink, they have a good time, 480 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,880 but if something breaks out, you know, 481 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,840 somebody's gotta be responsible. 482 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,880 And I was impressed by that. 483 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,240 And so I don't know, somewhere in the conversation, 484 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,240 I did let him know I was an author and I must have found out 485 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,360 that he used to be on TV or something. 486 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,000 I was like, you know, I'm looking for a manager 487 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,960 and he laughed at me, I'll never forget that. 488 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,720 And I was like, well, I'm gonna get you my book. 489 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,920 And the next day I sent him my book, 490 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,920 or did I give you a copy? 491 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,840 You gave me a copy, yes. 492 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,880 Okay, I must have gave you a copy that night, 493 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,240 maybe I had him in my car. 494 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,560 Yes, yes, you had a copy in your car, yes. 495 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,880 He actually read it and called me within 24 hours 496 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,640 and said, okay, I'm gonna manage you and manage me, he did. 497 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,640 Oh my gosh, I've been on over 30 radio shows, including, 498 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,200 who was that lady who got mad and hung up on me at the end? 499 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,720 Mother Love. 500 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:15,920 Was that Mother Jones? 501 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,400 That was Mother Love, Mother Love. 502 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,280 Mother Love, yeah, Mother Love. 503 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,160 Yeah, I was like two minutes late 504 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,720 because I couldn't find a landline 505 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,440 and it had to be a landline. 506 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,800 And I went to the church to call her 507 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,160 and none of the landlines were working in the pastor, 508 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,560 couldn't get him to work to call outside of the area. 509 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,520 And when we finally got one that worked, 510 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,160 I was two minutes late and she was heated. 511 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,760 So at the very end, when she dismissed the call, 512 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,600 she hung up on me. 513 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,080 But I've been, you know, on the radio in England, 514 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,120 I've been on TV, like I said, I think the most, 515 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,080 even though it didn't happen, 516 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,680 the thing that made me feel better than anything else 517 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,760 was when you finally got John Singleton to be interested 518 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,720 in talking to you about a movie for my book. 519 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,880 And then he had to mess up and pass away on us. 520 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,360 Hey. 521 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:15,200 Like happy. 522 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,560 Yeah, we lost Mr. Singleton and I was like, wow, 523 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,600 but that just let me know, you know, 524 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,720 there was a lot of promise. 525 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,560 And then we went our separate ways 526 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,000 and you weren't my manager anymore, 527 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,400 but you know how you said earlier, God told you to go 528 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,040 and do the production company and, 529 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,400 or what he was telling you to do? 530 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,240 Yes. 531 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,400 I need you to go talk to him, 532 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,040 cause I'm almost positive he's telling you 533 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,680 to manage me again. 534 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,680 I'm almost positive. 535 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,680 He came up the other night, told me what's happening. 536 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,680 Oh girl, you know, I do anything for you, my girl. 537 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,080 You're my girl. 538 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,920 Yeah. 539 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,280 I promise you guys, if you look at Glenn, 540 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,720 he's a very nice looking guy. 541 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,200 He's got his head on his shoulders. 542 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,160 He's extremely intelligent. 543 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,720 But I'd never seen Glenn as nothing more 544 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,640 than my brother and my friend. 545 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,040 You know, even that night in the club, 546 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,160 I was more intrigued like, what in the world's going on? 547 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,120 You know, he's the only person here actually working. 548 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,640 So that intrigued me, but he is the gentleman 549 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,160 he portrayed himself to be, became friends 550 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,440 with my husband instantly. 551 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,680 My husband fell in love with him instantly, 552 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,400 which who wouldn't? 553 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,880 But Glenn, this was probably the most interesting podcast 554 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,720 I've done. 555 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,680 For me. 556 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,680 I am flattered. 557 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,960 I don't know why it's just my life. 558 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,160 Well, I know a lot about your life 559 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,080 and there were so many things I do want to tell the listeners. 560 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,480 I told Glenn, we could talk about anything 561 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,320 he wanted to talk about because he's got so many 562 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,960 interesting things in his life. 563 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,320 And there were some subjects I wanted to stay away from 564 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,000 and there were some he wanted to stay away from, 565 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,800 but for the most part, I could probably do 566 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,920 a five hour podcast with Glenn and he could probably go 567 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,320 from one thing to another to another 568 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,960 and it would all be intriguing. 569 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,960 Just a very interesting life. 570 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,520 Even if the some of the people he didn't mention before, 571 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,720 if he mentioned a couple of those names 572 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,760 just to talk about the work he's had to do. 573 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,120 And yeah, he's had a very, 574 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,800 I'm telling you, you should write a few books 575 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,080 about your life. 576 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,120 I'm still writing, I am still writing. 577 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,360 Yeah, those would be bestsellers. 578 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,600 In fact, the one that I'm working on, 579 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,680 I call it letters to my children 580 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,680 and it's just basically about life, my life 581 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,600 because kids really don't understand their parents. 582 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,440 They see them as mom and dad and it takes a long time 583 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,280 for people to see their parents as human beings. 584 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,200 And so that's why I'm writing this book to my kids. 585 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,560 And he has three phenomenal kids. 586 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,320 He really does one fallen in his footsteps, 587 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,400 but he's got three amazing juniors. 588 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,560 They all look like them. 589 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,840 And one just happens to be a beautiful girl, 590 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,800 but she still looks just like her daddy to me. 591 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,720 So. 592 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,920 Do I meant you left one out? 593 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,440 I've got four, I've got three sons and one daughter. 594 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,320 Wait, who am I missing? 595 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,560 You got Glenn, you got Grant, you have Garrison. 596 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,400 And then there's Garrison. 597 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,080 Garrison, Garrison, Garrison. 598 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,240 He's got three Gs, that's right. 599 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,880 He's getting ready to graduate with his master's degree 600 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,440 in education here in next month. 601 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,280 So. 602 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,680 Well, so does Keaton with his second masters in May, 603 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,240 but we'll talk about that later. 604 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,080 Yeah. 605 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,540 Yeah. 606 00:31:08,540 --> 00:31:10,900 Well, my friend, do you have any final words 607 00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:11,740 for the listeners? 608 00:31:11,740 --> 00:31:13,460 We got two minutes left. 609 00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:14,860 We did well. 610 00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:15,700 Two minutes left? 611 00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:17,500 Well, I will say this. 612 00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:22,960 All the things that have happened in my life, 613 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:29,700 I would say a good 80% of the things that transpired 614 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:33,320 were for the benefit of other people. 615 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,320 And so one thing that I've come to realize 616 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,200 that our lives are not our own. 617 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,200 And if we really pay attention, think about us in society, 618 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,280 black people trying to get ahead. 619 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,200 If it wasn't for us, a lot of times reaching out, 620 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,320 you understand what I'm saying? 621 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,680 I mean, think about it. 622 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,160 How regular society works is based on nepotism, 623 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,760 is based on who you know. 624 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,480 Absolutely. 625 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,920 For those of us without access, 626 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,880 it is incumbent upon us to do and to strive 627 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,880 and to get to the place where we're in those positions 628 00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:25,620 where we can reach out and take care of one another. 629 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,120 When I rise, you rise. 630 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,520 And that is just something that I want, 631 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,480 especially black people to understand. 632 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,920 I do the best for myself, but it's not just for myself. 633 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,040 That'll have to probably be another podcast, Glenn, 634 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,880 in a couple of weeks, because I just wanna say 635 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,760 really, really quickly what I noticed was 636 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,200 when my books came out and everything, 637 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,920 especially when you started getting me on those shows 638 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,440 that a lot of my brothers and sisters 639 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,440 became real phony with me, but my friends of other races, 640 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,640 they lifted me like crazy. 641 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,880 And it just seems that there seems to be a whole bunch 642 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,880 of jealousy within our own race or envy or something. 643 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,960 Now, not everybody, 644 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,360 because I've got some really good friends, but. 645 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,880 Yes, I have. 646 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,520 Yeah, it's just different with us. 647 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,920 Yes, we still suffer from the divide and conquer of slavery. 648 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,120 We still really do. 649 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,120 And me personally, I am the third generation 650 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,560 out of slavery in my family. 651 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,280 So if you understand that, 652 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,120 you understand that this issue is very recent. 653 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:57,440 And that's what.