1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,200 Hey there everybody Scott Durfey here with another podcast of Redeemed Through His Blood 2 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,120 as always joined by David Durfey. 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,120 What's up Dave? 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,120 Fired up to be here Scott. 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,120 This is awesome. 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:25,160 This is what we're going to talk about today is one of my, maybe I say this every week, 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,320 and if I do it's true. 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,760 It's one of my favorite topics that we're going to be talking about today. 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:36,800 We had a great podcast that will come out, the one right before this last week's podcast. 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,080 Talked about twin bullies. 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,800 We started Fear and Pride. 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,440 We started talking a little bit about repentance Dave, and I think that's where we're going 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,440 to kind of... 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:50,640 Well Fear and Pride Scott are the, you know, Elder Anderson chose to call those the twin 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:51,640 bullies. 16 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:52,640 Twin bullies. 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:01:00,080 I used to call them the roadblocks to repentance, but that's what those two things, I mean of 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:06,840 all the reasons, all the excuses people give for not repenting, those two are by far the 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:15,800 major, the major two that are kind of the real source of our excuses and reasons not 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,040 to repent is fear. 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,280 An irrational fear really. 22 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,920 Fear sometimes I think prompted from evil sources. 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:26,920 Yeah. 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:34,760 Satan himself I think controls and manipulates us through fear and pride, which is also how 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,760 Satan controls us. 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,560 I think too, you know, it's interesting how those two things will show up in disguise 27 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,000 of other emotions and other experiences in our lives, right? 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,600 So for example, you know, I'm on the phone this morning, early this morning, and it was 29 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:55,600 almost like I was having a mirror experience because I had this experience with my sponsor, 30 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,080 you know, 10 or 12, maybe 15 years ago when I was dealing with this. 31 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,920 But I, one of the guys that I sponsor and Alcoholics Anonymous called me this morning, 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,400 and he's just dealing with some real anger. 33 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,760 This is a great man too. 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,520 He's got a lot of years sober. 35 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,560 He's has a beautiful family. 36 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,800 He's silled in the temple. 37 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,640 He's just a great, great man. 38 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:18,480 Not that all those things are, you know, what qualifies you to be a great man, but he does 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,040 have those things in addition to be a great man. 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,720 And he's dealing with these anger issues that are just so heavy. 41 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:31,560 And it was like I had that same thought come to my head that my sponsor told me, he says, 42 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:32,560 you're not angry. 43 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,280 You know, we got some fear that we need to deal with here. 44 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,160 And man, he was really embracing of that idea. 45 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,440 He's going to do a fourth and a fifth step on it, which means he's going to write it 46 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:48,680 out and see, you know, where those things come up and assume his own responsibility towards 47 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:49,680 him. 48 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,360 And then we then we can start healing him through the Atonement of Jesus Christ because 49 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,520 we recognize that, hey, anger can sometimes be fear and other things can come up as pride 50 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,400 and said, you know, those things can really disguise themselves sometimes almost all the 51 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,400 time. 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:09,520 Scott, when I went through my experience and experimented, studied fear in the scriptures, 53 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,200 looked up every scripture and did all of that. 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:21,840 I've told that story before, but but I noticed that almost all of my anger was the result 55 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,880 of my of my fear. 56 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:30,960 And I believe that fear and pride actually are so closely knitted together. 57 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:31,960 Yep. 58 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:38,480 I mean, they are kind of linked in almost every case because both of them are the result 59 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,680 of insecurities. 60 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:40,680 Right. 61 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,960 And I think that's a lack of faith and insecurities. 62 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:51,080 Pride really is the that trying to cover up for something that we think we are that we 63 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,480 know we're not. 64 00:03:53,480 --> 00:04:00,240 And fear is a result of really not not having that perfect brightness of hope and assurance 65 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,400 and confidence in God that things are going to work out that there's a that there's a 66 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,480 purpose and that knowing who we are. 67 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:14,520 So I don't know, I hope our listeners will you read me an email just a little while ago 68 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,920 about a response we got from a listener who identity is everything. 69 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:26,720 You know, once they know that who they are and that they they are not only God's son 70 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,440 or daughter, but that they're also a son or daughter of the covenant. 71 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:37,320 They belong to Jesus Christ and the most important purpose of this life is to have a relationship 72 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:42,080 with deity and, you know, it makes all the difference. 73 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,520 So as we as we go further into repentance, and this is I think I referred last time to 74 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,000 this as being the heart of the course. 75 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,280 You know, this I saw. 76 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:59,640 I saw a one of the leaders of church education worldwide. 77 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:00,640 He's over. 78 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,120 He's over the worldwide program of church education. 79 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:11,040 One of the one of the administrators and he gave me a hug. 80 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,040 We're close friends. 81 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:21,400 I I love him very much and we're close and have been for several years and he saw me over 82 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:31,200 at the open house of the Saratoga Springs Temple and he said to me whispered in my ear, 83 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:39,200 you'll be happy to know that the course that you designed is the most popular course worldwide 84 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,600 Institute. 85 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:50,560 And that made me, you know, made me really just feel humble and grateful and happy that 86 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,760 so many are enjoying the blessings of Elder Anderson's book, which is the student manual 87 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:56,840 of that course. 88 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:05,800 And that so many are feeling a need to develop a stronger closer relationship with Deity, 89 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:11,000 Jesus Christ as their savior and redeemer and trying to repent. 90 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:18,360 So as we continue on this course, I think this the next few weeks are kind of the heart 91 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,160 of the course. 92 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:26,100 And we've talked about the twin bullies of repentance, fear and pride. 93 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:29,320 We introduced a little bit what repentance is not. 94 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:35,760 I want to say something before we we get much further into this about what the Lord thinks 95 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:36,760 about repentance. 96 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:42,280 God, that seems to be maybe the starting point and the most important point. 97 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:49,320 It's it's it came to my attention several years ago that in the book of the Gospel of 98 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:56,080 Matthew that when Jesus comes out of the 40 days in the wilderness, which is all recorded, 99 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:03,320 in Matthew chapter four, that when he comes out of that experience, Scott, the first thing 100 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:12,840 as he begins his mortal, divine mission, the first word out of his mouth recorded in Matthew 101 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,440 is the word repent. 102 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:23,560 The first thing that Jesus teaches what he begins his ministry is repent. 103 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:29,000 I think that's in verse 17, Matthew four verse 17. 104 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,040 Maybe we should turn turn there and and read it and share it with our listeners and and 105 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,360 maybe read a verse before to kind of set it up. 106 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,840 But I just think that's extremely significant. 107 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:46,320 And I don't think that Matthew did that by just coincidence. 108 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,800 I think Matthew as an apostle knew that that was the central message of Jesus Christ and 109 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,560 his ministry and the central message, Scott, as we've learned from President Nelson of 110 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:03,320 all the apostles and prophets, right, is to declare repentance in the name of the Lord 111 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,320 Jesus Christ. 112 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,320 Yeah, that's there. 113 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,520 That's I think they would tell you that's the heart of their ministry. 114 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:10,520 Yeah. 115 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,080 Anyway, so you want to read that? 116 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,880 Yeah, yeah, let's let's start with verse 16. 117 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:20,160 The people so the people this is talking about is right after he comes out of the 40 days 118 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,160 in the wilderness. 119 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:26,520 And it says by the way, the sea beyond Jordan, Galilee, the Gentiles. 120 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:27,920 And so they're kind of in that area. 121 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:34,480 And then in 16, so Matthew 416, the people which sat in darkness saw great light. 122 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:40,160 And to them which sat in the region and the shadow of death, light is sprung up. 123 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,160 Now this is 17. 124 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,680 And and from that time, Jesus began to preach and say, repent for the kingdom of heaven is 125 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:48,080 at hand. 126 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,080 First word, right? 127 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,080 Yeah. 128 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,880 And right after that in 18, put that in quotes. 129 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:53,880 He did. 130 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:54,880 Yeah, those are his words. 131 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:55,880 Exactly. 132 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,600 Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 133 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,640 And then at 18, this is where he begins in Jesus walking by the sea of Galilee. 134 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,680 He saw two brothers in Simon called Peter and Andrew his brother casting a net and and 135 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:07,840 we know how that goes. 136 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,360 You know, he says, says, follow me and I will make you fishers of men. 137 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,480 And so he declares repentance. 138 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:20,840 And then he begins to build those special witnesses of his name to kind of help carry 139 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:21,840 that out. 140 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,400 I just don't think it's possible to overstate how important that verse is that the first 141 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,400 word out of his mouth and his mortal ministry is repent. 142 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Yeah. 143 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,400 Anyway, Scott and the doctrine. 144 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:39,960 Okay, so I looked up every word or every scripture with the word repent and repentance 145 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,840 in it several years ago in the book of Mormon. 146 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:48,400 I don't know the exact number I counted them all and it's well over 300. 147 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:54,600 It's almost 400 times in the book of Mormon alone and just the book of Mormon. 148 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:01,480 I mean, the book of Mormon, I think the reason the book of Mormon is is so powerful, Scott, 149 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,280 is because of the message of repentance that's contained in there. 150 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:11,160 All the examples and all the Christ centered sermons that lead individuals to repent and 151 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,720 change in the book of Mormon. 152 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:19,320 Repentance is in the Old Testament, in the New Testament, and all the standard works, 153 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:24,480 but not hundreds of times like it is in the book of Mormon. 154 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,920 The book of Mormon is the book of repentance. 155 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,960 And I know it had that effect on me. 156 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:36,680 I mean, reading the book of Mormon on my mission really for the first time, going through it 157 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:42,920 carefully and getting up really early and then reading that, trying to work out my salvation 158 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,440 on my mission, not feeling that I was forgiven of my own sins. 159 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:54,120 And I know the effect it had on me personally and so many others who I've seen throughout 160 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,880 my life. 161 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:56,880 It humbles us. 162 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,520 It teaches us the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 163 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:08,600 It just covers all of the bases of repentance, Scott, that we need in order to really feel 164 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:16,760 forgiven, to be able to forgive ourselves and to rely in great faith upon our Savior. 165 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:23,280 So Dr. Incovenants, in the first, as some of the first sections of the Dr. Incovenants, 166 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:30,880 got, the Lord declares that one thing that's more important than them all, to declare nothing 167 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,280 but repentance under this generation. 168 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,280 That's significant. 169 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,280 Can you believe that he said that? 170 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Declare nothing but repentance. 171 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:47,560 That's in the Dr. Incovenants section 6, verse 9, section 11, verse 9, section 19. 172 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:54,920 And anyway, maybe just read one of those in Dr. Incovenants section 6, verse 9, I think. 173 00:11:54,920 --> 00:12:02,120 Okay, so section 6, verse 9, and so I'm going to do 8 and 9 just to keep it in context. 174 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:08,200 Very, very, very, very, I say unto you, even as you desire of me, so it shall be unto you, 175 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:13,640 and if you desire, you shall be means of doing much good in this generation. 176 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,360 And then he tells them how that can come about. 177 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,320 Say nothing but repentance under this generation. 178 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:25,240 Keep my commandments and assist to bring forth my work according to my commandments, and 179 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,080 you shall be blessed. 180 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,920 Say nothing but repentance. 181 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,920 And he repeats that four times. 182 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,320 He repeats that four times in the Dr. Incovenants, Scott. 183 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,160 That's significant. 184 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,320 That gets my attention. 185 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:49,200 And then to the Whitmer brothers, right, and this is section 15, verse 6, and section 16, 186 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:56,160 verse 6, and the Lord repeats, these revelations are like word perfect except the two names 187 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,640 that are in the first verse. 188 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,720 These are the Whitmer brothers. 189 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:08,840 And let's read what 15 verse 6 says in section 16, verse 6 says the same thing. 190 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,960 So the Lord again repeats himself, which is, I think, in the mouth of witnesses, two or 191 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:14,960 more, right? 192 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:15,960 Yeah. 193 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:16,960 All right, here we go. 194 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:23,080 And verse section 15 of the Dr. Incovenants, verse 6, and now behold, I say unto you, that 195 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:29,000 the thing which will be of the most worth unto you will be to declare repentance unto 196 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:35,440 this people, that you may bring souls unto me, that you may rest with them in the kingdom 197 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,880 of my Father. 198 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,520 So what's the thing of most worth? 199 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:41,520 Repentance. 200 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:46,440 Wow, that's, can you believe that? 201 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:52,520 There's so many things of great worth that we should be teaching, preaching, but it's 202 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:53,520 repentance. 203 00:13:53,520 --> 00:14:04,440 Now, as we jump into this, Scott, I have in my studies of the principle of repentance. 204 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,720 I hate to think of it in terms of steps. 205 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:15,320 I like to think of it more as a process, and I think there are kind of four parts of a 206 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:20,400 process, and I even hate to use the word for because then people immediately try to put 207 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,440 it in a checklist or steps. 208 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:32,640 But I want to, as we go into this now in the next several weeks, I want to talk about which 209 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:41,240 we have already done to some degree, the foundations of repentance, the foundations of repentance, 210 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:53,160 the conditions of repentance, the manifest, sorry, the actions of repentance, and then 211 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:58,240 the manifestations of our repentance. 212 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:08,640 So that's foundations, conditions, the actions, and manifestations of repentance. 213 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:14,760 And we'll talk about the first part today, which is the foundations of repentance, and 214 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:21,720 much of this has already been covered in this course and this podcast, because one of those 215 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:29,320 foundations, or foundations, sorry, one of those foundations is to doctrinally understand 216 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,400 the plan of redemption and where we fit in that plan. 217 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:34,400 Okay? 218 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,560 And we've talked a lot about identity. 219 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,560 We've talked a lot about that plan of redemption, that perfect plan of happiness. 220 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:49,200 And then faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and faith in His name, and to understand and have 221 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:57,680 faith in His atoning sacrifice, to really understand the atonement of Jesus Christ God seems to 222 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:06,560 me to be a foundation upon which one must build their repentance. 223 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:15,720 Next is to really understand what repentance is, and maybe especially what it's not. 224 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:21,160 We started talking about that last time, we'll talk more about that today. 225 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:28,120 And then one of the foundations of repentance, and I will never forget Elder Anderson's 226 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:34,480 our meeting when we spoke about this, and it was very touching and too personal for 227 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:41,080 me to repeat to really anybody. 228 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:49,360 But he shared some very personal experiences about individuals in his family and who he 229 00:16:49,360 --> 00:17:00,000 loves and he wanted to make sure that in the book that we covered the importance of honesty. 230 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,720 Being true to oneself, especially. 231 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:12,080 Being honest with oneself, seeing things as they really are, and not trying to hide our 232 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,720 sins. 233 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,840 That's a foundation of repentance. 234 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,240 And I just really think that's uncompromising. 235 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,800 That's what he calls it. 236 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,920 Uncompromising honesty. 237 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:32,400 So anyway, those are I think what make up the foundations of repentance. 238 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,680 And we've talked again about some of those, but let's finish talking about what repentance 239 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,920 is nuts, Scott. 240 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,800 Before we do that, David, is it okay if we, and there's a reason I'm about to ask this. 241 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:50,080 You know, a lot of times I think when we approach this topic of repentance, there just can be, 242 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:57,160 and it's entirely dependent upon where I am in my spiritual process or my spiritual progress. 243 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,560 If I'm doing great spiritually, then I may not have this experience. 244 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:07,280 But if I'm not, you know, there may be a time, there may be times when the word repentance 245 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,880 gets brought up and some of us think, oh my gosh, here we are going to display all my 246 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,600 wrongs, going to take a look at everything that's wrong with me. 247 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:20,120 And that can be sometimes that can be, I don't know, off-putting is probably not the right 248 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:21,120 word. 249 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:25,880 But it can be that we can find some, maybe some reluctance to kind of approach repentance 250 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,680 because of the fear or maybe even the pride in getting back to those two twin bullies, 251 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:36,240 right, that we may have about our misunderstanding of what it means when we say repent. 252 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,600 Well, when we understand what it's not. 253 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:41,600 That'll help us, right? 254 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,760 That will answer that question and help us overcome that problem. 255 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,400 Because we can start with there. 256 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,320 We don't, there's no, there's no necessarily starting point here. 257 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,040 Repentance is not suffering. 258 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,120 Let's just get that out of the way right now. 259 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,800 Repentance is not suffering. 260 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:05,280 There may be some suffering in the process of repentance, but that's not because of 261 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,280 repentance. 262 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,280 That's because of the consequences of the choices that we made. 263 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,800 That's because of the sin. 264 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,800 Exactly. 265 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,440 But, but, but my, my, I think what I'm kind of driving out here is that repentance, you 266 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,840 know, when we talk about repentance, we're not talking about just sin. 267 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:24,040 We're talking about any, and I guess, I guess it's kind of a semantics here because anything 268 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,200 that drives us away or separates us from the spirit of our Heavenly Father, I guess 269 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,400 we could call that sin. 270 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,400 Sure. 271 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:35,080 You know, and, but, but, but, you know, that can, that's not just, you know, immorality. 272 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,680 That's not just being dishonest. 273 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:37,800 That's not great point. 274 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:42,720 That can also be anything, for example, and it's not a sin to fill this way. 275 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:43,920 Don't misunderstand me. 276 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:49,320 But if people have anxiety or depressive disorders, things of those natures, you know, when we 277 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,880 talk, when we use the word repent, we're really just talking about turning away from things 278 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,600 that separate us from the spirit and turning and facing and embracing those things that 279 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,440 draw me to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ through the spirit. 280 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,440 All true. 281 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:09,480 When we talk about repentance, Scott, it's, it's really about how can we get the powers 282 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:16,320 there you go and the blessings of Jesus Christ through His Atonement into our life, including 283 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,440 the enabling power to help us even keep the commandments. 284 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:26,160 So there's almost a whole chapter in Elder Anderson's book on this that, that repentance 285 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:34,080 is not to just cover sins of commission, but sins of omission. 286 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,800 And every day, Scott, we commit those sins. 287 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:45,120 Every day we omit or we just don't get around to or we fail to do something we should have 288 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,000 done. 289 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:52,480 Repentance is not just covering the things, all the shall nots, commandments that we break. 290 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,480 That's what I'm talking about right there. 291 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,480 That's right. 292 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:01,800 Repentance is to strengthen us and enable us, enable us and compensate us. 293 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,040 All of that. 294 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,960 So repentance, I guess we're defining what it is now. 295 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:15,000 Repentance is the process of getting all of the powers and blessings of the Lord Jesus 296 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,680 Christ through His Atoning Blood into our life. 297 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,680 That's right. 298 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,680 You can't ever think of that about that as being suffering. 299 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,240 No, that's an invitation to joy. 300 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,600 That's an invitation to peace, freedom. 301 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:36,400 I mean, think of the freedom that comes to us when those things leave our lives. 302 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:41,480 That's one of the great blessings that I get to see among recovering alcoholics and addicts 303 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:48,200 is the freedom that comes as we turn and turn away from all that's wrong in our lives and 304 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:53,360 turn towards Him who is everything right in our lives. 305 00:21:53,360 --> 00:22:00,720 There is not one negative aspect of any degree in the process of repentance. 306 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,200 It is completely 100% positive. 307 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,840 And it's so important we understand that because that hasn't necessarily been everybody's 308 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,920 experience or maybe not even their experience, but just what they have come to believe because 309 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,720 of what they think, what we think we've been taught. 310 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,480 I don't think we've ever been led astray on this. 311 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:26,120 I just don't think that we've understood the things that have been intended to be taught 312 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:27,120 to us about this. 313 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:35,760 Well, you know, I don't want to give a whole history of why I think we have in the past 314 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:41,120 kind of had a culture of believing, kind of throwing up our hands in front of our face 315 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:45,080 and when seeing when we hear the word repent. 316 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,080 Yeah. 317 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:51,480 I don't want to there is kind of a history there and I think it has been taught perhaps 318 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,880 by some in the church to be somewhat of a negative. 319 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:04,640 But I just I just love President Nelson who is trying to correct those false traditions 320 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,440 and misunderstandings. 321 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,760 Most of them have been misunderstandings really. 322 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,800 But you know, he just has come out and said, which the scriptures teach that repentance 323 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,400 is a positive, not a negative. 324 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,840 In fact, the scholars just turned doctrine comes section 19 and and let's start with 325 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,160 verse four here. 326 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,320 Since we're we're on this and read verse four. 327 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,400 This is a revelation given through Joseph Smith, the Martin Harris and listen what he 328 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:39,640 says in verse four and surely every man must repent or suffer for I God am endless. 329 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:46,840 So you would say listening to that scripture that repentance and suffering are what? 330 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:47,840 Antonyms. 331 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:48,840 Absolute opposite. 332 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:49,840 That's right. 333 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,840 They're absolute opposite. 334 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,560 They do not mean the same thing. 335 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,760 You could choose to repent or suffer, suffer. 336 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,680 They're not this they're just complete opposite and our suffering comes from so many different 337 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,680 places. 338 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,920 You know, much of it may be most of it sin, but there's a lot of suffering that we wouldn't 339 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,800 necessarily put in quotation marks. 340 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,880 I'm doing quotation marks here as sin, even though, you know, we would perhaps define 341 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,920 anything that separates us from the spirit of our Heavenly Father as sin. 342 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,800 We don't necessarily see it that way sometimes. 343 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,280 But when we when we read that, you know, we must repent or suffer. 344 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:33,360 So anything that's causing a suffering, if we will just turn to him who descended below 345 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:39,960 all things and suffered that he might know how to sucker us, then we know that repentance 346 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,120 is just a turning away from anything that's making us suffer. 347 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:44,120 Yeah, right. 348 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:46,120 We're absolutely. 349 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:48,160 Repentance is not suffering. 350 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:54,800 Now I know it's been stated in the church, even even by one of my favorite prophets. 351 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,080 I don't you shouldn't have a favorite prophet, but he certainly one of my favorites. 352 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,080 They're all my favorites, I guess, right? 353 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,400 Because President Kimball in the miracle of forgiveness, who said, if you haven't suffered, 354 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,720 you haven't repented in essence. 355 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:15,240 And so many in the church and even bishops and others thought, OK, so we got to make 356 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,600 people suffer when they repent. 357 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,080 That's not what he said. 358 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,200 What he said is if you haven't suffered. 359 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,920 Well, hey, Scott, we have all suffered because of our sins. 360 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,600 A broken heart is not easy to go through. 361 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,600 That's right. 362 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,640 And that's an essential part of repentance, but that's not caused by repentance. 363 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,680 It's that's caused by the sin, the suffering. 364 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,160 Yeah, the suffering. 365 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,160 I think that we all to some degree suffer when we think of the suffering that we've 366 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,200 caused Christ. 367 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,400 That's not easy to go through, right? 368 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:56,840 But it's because of our sins and because of the human nature in all of us that Jesus 369 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,000 suffered for, and that's not easy for us to accept or realize. 370 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,280 But that repentance doesn't cause that. 371 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:13,960 Repentance is the process of using that in order to obtain the beauty and peace and joy 372 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,640 that comes in the wake of repentance. 373 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:24,640 So if we stick to section 19, you know, and this is, I think, been so misunderstood by 374 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:30,000 the church, by members of the church individually, some collectively. 375 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,200 Let's start in verse 13. 376 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,720 Wherefore I command you to repent and keep the commandments which you have received by 377 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,040 the hand of my servant, Joseph Smith, Jr. in my name. 378 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:45,160 So these commandments, these covenants, these things that have been restored. 379 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:51,560 And in 14, it is by my almighty power that you have received them. 380 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:57,720 Where I command you to repent, repent lest I smite you with a rod, by the rod of my 381 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,920 mouth and by my wrath and by my anger and your sufferings be sore. 382 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,280 How sore you know not, how exquisite you not, know not. 383 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,960 Yea, how hard to bear you know not. 384 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,040 For behold, I God have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they 385 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:22,560 would repent, but if they would not repent, they must suffer even as I, which suffering 386 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,200 caused myself, even God, the greatest of all to tremble because of pain and to bleed at 387 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:34,480 every pore and to suffer both body and spirit and would that I might not drink the bitter 388 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,760 cup and shrink. 389 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:47,040 So Scott, this, that by the way, that precious revelation right there, I think about John 390 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:54,600 Taylor what he wrote in his tribute to Joseph Smith and the patriarch Hiram Smith when they 391 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,520 were both martyred. 392 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:02,200 And the reason he says they were, well he doesn't give necessarily a reason, but he 393 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:08,360 says that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants cost the best blood of the 19th 394 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:09,760 century. 395 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:17,240 And that passage right there that you read is worth the blood of two prophets, Joseph 396 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,480 and Hiram Smith. 397 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:26,040 I just, I just think that's, I mean that's like a thousand lights should go on for us, 398 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:34,120 the Lord crying out about what repentance is and how he suffered, that we might not 399 00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:36,560 have to suffer. 400 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:44,120 But so many have taken that passage to mean that if we don't suffer, that we don't repent. 401 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:50,400 So read verse, is it 15 again? 402 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,720 Read verse 15 again. 403 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:58,440 Therefore, I command you to repent, repent lest I smite you with my wrath and by my anger 404 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,560 and your suffering be sore. 405 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:06,080 How sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, how hard to bear you know not. 406 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,160 And then 16. 407 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,600 For behold, I God have suffered these things for all that they might not suffer if they 408 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,520 would repent. 409 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,760 And then 17, but if they would not repent, they must suffer even. 410 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,840 Yes, I am. 411 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,640 So many have kind of I think misunderstood that, that if we don't repent that we're going 412 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,720 to suffer like Jesus suffered. 413 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,080 Well I, I just don't believe that's what the Lord is teaching there. 414 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,320 We will suffer, but our suffering won't be anything. 415 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,880 I mean we'll suffer not for our sins, Scott. 416 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,000 But because of them. 417 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:51,400 Because exactly Jesus Christ paid for all of the sins of all the world. 418 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,840 And we don't have time in this podcast to go through every verse where he says that. 419 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,400 I was crucified for all the sins of all the world. 420 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,640 And he repeats that over and over again. 421 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,080 We believe Jesus Christ suffered for all sin, whether repented of or not. 422 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:14,200 Now if you do, if you choose not to repent, you'll suffer, but not for the sin. 423 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,520 And it doesn't say that in there, but we will suffer because of it. 424 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,640 And I just want to read one paragraph from Elder Anderson's book. 425 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,640 He writes. 426 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,080 What page, what page are you on in the book? 427 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,240 We do have a lot of listeners that have the book. 428 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,080 I know all the kids that come to our institute class have this. 429 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:36,200 Well I think, I think these are, these, this is a precious paragraph in the, in the few 430 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,440 paragraphs that follow it. 431 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,120 We have no ability to pay for our own sins. 432 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,720 Repentance is exactly the opposite of punishment. 433 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:53,200 Repentance relieves the guilt and pain and suffering caused by sin. 434 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,640 Jesus Christ paid for all the sins of the world. 435 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,720 Our repentance is not paid for one ounce of the sins we have committed. 436 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:08,120 I think I had written when we were working on this and I was kind of quoting brother 437 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:13,640 Matthews, Robert J. Matthews, because he had told me, David, we can't pay back for one 438 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,640 tenth of one percent of any sin we've ever committed. 439 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,200 But Elder Anderson says we can't pay for one ounce of any sin we've committed. 440 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:32,480 The atonement of Jesus Christ fulfilled all the demands of justice perfectly, exactly. 441 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:40,720 Our attention must be on him and our appreciation for his suffering, not to be self martyrs, 442 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,600 cutting ourselves, I'm not quoting him that right now, but we should focus on his suffering. 443 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,320 Scott, we shouldn't be martyr, self martyrs and think that we're going to suffer and that, 444 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,320 that's repentance. 445 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,680 Then he goes on. 446 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:05,280 If we worry whether we have paid back or suffered enough for our sins, such a great sentence. 447 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:15,120 If we worry whether we have paid back or suffered enough for our own sins, it will impede, and 448 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:23,520 I think in some cases even shut down, our ability to repent and feel forgiven, bringing 449 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,280 painful discouragement with it. 450 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:33,480 Then in the next paragraph he says, a person cannot suffer for his sins, but he will suffer 451 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,080 because of his sins. 452 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:44,320 There is always a punishment in sinning, but the punishment, the suffering and the pain 453 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:54,480 are caused by the sin, not by the repentance, when someone has cancer and surgery is required, 454 00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:02,520 it is not the surgery or the doctor that is causing the suffering, it's the cancer. 455 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:10,400 The surgery is temporarily difficult, but the cancer is the villain, not the surgery. 456 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:18,480 Sin causes the suffering, not the repentance. 457 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:24,080 Repentance is not the punishment, it's not the penalty, it's not the payment, it's not 458 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,240 the suffering or the pain caused by sin. 459 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,240 It's none of that. 460 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,920 Repentance is not that. 461 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:38,520 I think that's really critical because once someone really understands that, then they 462 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,720 can begin to think what repentance is. 463 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,240 The application of the power of Jesus Christ in our lives. 464 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,320 Because Jesus has already suffered it, I don't have to. 465 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,320 That completely motivates one to repent. 466 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,320 Darrell Bock Yeah, and it removes one of the big 467 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,440 barriers. 468 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,480 We did talk about fear and pride, being twin bullies. 469 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,400 Not understanding what repentance really is and how it really works and to have the 470 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:14,840 misunderstanding, the suffering comes to us as a part or because of the suffering of Christ 471 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,240 and is part of our repentance. 472 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:25,040 To remove that barrier really frees us and it actually extends a warm welcoming invitation 473 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,440 when he says come unto me. 474 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,840 We just got done reading part of section 19. 475 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,640 I'm going to go down here to verse 23 of section 19 in the Doctrine and Covenants. 476 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,960 This is really kind of the promise or the release, the relief, the freedom that we get 477 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,240 if we do begin to enter into this repentant process. 478 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:49,200 He says in 23, learn of me and listen to my words. 479 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:55,280 Walk in the makeness of my spirit and here's the promise and you shall have peace in me. 480 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,880 Darrell Bock That's the theme for the church history 481 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,880 tour. 482 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,280 I'm just getting ready to embark upon. 483 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,800 Is that very verse, it's one of my favorite verses. 484 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,960 Learn of me and you shall have peace in me. 485 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:16,000 Learn of me invites us to learn of the price that he paid so that we don't have to pay. 486 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,200 Darrell Bock And like we talked about last week when 487 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,480 we say, when he says come to me, he's inviting us to come to the Garden of Gethsemane and 488 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,080 to the cross where he's suffered, where we worship him, the suffering Christ. 489 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:33,120 Christ suffered for, and maybe we should say here, we'll talk more about this later, but 490 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:39,360 when we talk about the, I think one of the actions of our repentance or manifestations 491 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:45,920 to our repentance is the ability, the gift to be able to forgive others. 492 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:55,080 But I don't think you can even do that on your own without the blood, atonement, sacrifice 493 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,120 of Jesus Christ in our life. 494 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:05,800 I mean Jesus Christ and his suffering and what he did in Gethsemane and again on the 495 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:14,960 cross where it was even worse as he suffered for our sins, not only helps us Scott to be 496 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,520 forgiven, work out our repentance and be forgiven, it gives us the power to forgive. 497 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:27,000 If we really understand that and Elder Holland has done a beautiful job teaching that before. 498 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:37,000 So repentance is not suffering, punishment, penalty, payment, pain of sin. 499 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,840 It's the release, the joy, the healing, the cleansing, it's all of that. 500 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:50,760 Another thing that repentance is not, it's not a checklist. 501 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,840 I can't believe how many times when I was growing up and I think people are still teaching 502 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,840 it. 503 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,840 Well I just Googled it and it still popped up, five steps to repentance right here. 504 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,840 So I, and most of them, so many of them put them in Rs, right? 505 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,200 The five Rs, the six Rs, the seven Rs, the eight Rs. 506 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,200 So many Rs of repentance, right? 507 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:21,160 And I'm so sad that I tried to do that myself and I couldn't figure out why I was not feeling 508 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,640 forgiven even though I had checked everything off my list. 509 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,760 You know I had gone through and pretty much done my own checklist and I couldn't figure 510 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,440 out after I had checked them all off. 511 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,640 Why wasn't I feeling forgiven, Scott? 512 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:43,040 Because it's not a checklist, repentance is a condition of the heart. 513 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:51,600 It's a, we'll talk more about the conditions of repentance a little later, but I love though 514 00:37:51,600 --> 00:38:02,320 in our discussion Elder Anderson was so sweet and inspired that he told me, you know David, 515 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,560 some people work better when they have a checklist. 516 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:14,880 Some people they need a checklist and he understood and he put in the book how they can have a 517 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,320 checklist if they need one, but here's the key. 518 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:26,960 The checklist is focused in Christ, not in our actions, but how can I have a checklist 519 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,320 that focus my efforts in Jesus Christ? 520 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:39,640 And so I love how he did that and he put down recognize, so here's a checklist if you need 521 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,040 a checklist. 522 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,480 Recognize what I have done wrong in offending Jesus Christ. 523 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:53,480 Feel remorse that my actions have offended God and caused Jesus Christ to suffer. 524 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,840 Resolve to change my behavior realizing that my own willpower is not enough and that without 525 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,400 the help of Jesus Christ I am powerless to repent. 526 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,600 Notice how all of these are focused and centered in Christ. 527 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:13,440 Reform, there's the fourth R, reform, so we've got recognize remorse, resolve, reform, change, 528 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:20,360 repent, appealing for the grace of Jesus Christ, his mercy, his power to help me never repeat 529 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,880 the offense. 530 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:28,640 And the fifth R in his list is make restitution to those I have hurt and offended. 531 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,080 It's importantly the Savior. 532 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,760 We'll talk all about a whole podcast maybe on restitution and what it means. 533 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,840 Who suffered the pain of all in this way he says I am repenting. 534 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,920 Well here's the problem with those who try to have a checklist, Scott. 535 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:51,600 Here's the problem and this is also in the book. 536 00:39:51,600 --> 00:40:00,040 A most egregious example of a checklist repentance was told by Elder David A. Bednar. 537 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:06,480 He said when I was president of BYU Idaho, he actually said this Scott in a mission president 538 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,480 seminar. 539 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,600 I don't know if that footnotes in the book but when I was a president of BYU Idaho I 540 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,520 spoke with a bishop and he shared this experience. 541 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:21,280 He had received a confession from a young person who said I was involved in immorality 542 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,120 Friday night. 543 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,880 You are the last thing on my list. 544 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,200 Now that I have confessed to you, I feel great. 545 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:37,680 Then Elder Bednar explained to all the mission presidents. 546 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,700 That's not repentance. 547 00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:46,240 It cannot really be repentance unless it involves the redeemer. 548 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:52,920 Even if a person confesses, this was a confession with no regard for the redeemer. 549 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,760 So Scott, of all the Rs you can mention, right? 550 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,400 There's only one that really matters, right? 551 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,400 Redeemer. 552 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,400 That's right. 553 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,200 And I would add, rely on the redeemer. 554 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,440 On your redeemer. 555 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,520 Rely on your redeemer. 556 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,400 That's what repentance is. 557 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:20,760 It's not relying on a checklist or going through the motions or doing things that you think 558 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:26,400 somehow causes you to earn forgiveness because that's not the way it works. 559 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,040 And that was my major mistake on my mission. 560 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,040 I learned the hard way. 561 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,440 That doesn't work. 562 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,640 So there's a second thing that it's not. 563 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:43,080 I think a third thing that it's not, which we talked about a little bit last time, especially 564 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:50,920 as kind of a follow up to faith is that repentance doesn't, it doesn't save us. 565 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,760 There's no in and of itself. 566 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,860 There's no redemptive power in repentance. 567 00:41:58,860 --> 00:42:05,000 The power behind repentance is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. 568 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,360 Christ is who re is who saves us. 569 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:17,320 So I think that maybe that's all we need to say there is that all the power is not in 570 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,320 our actions. 571 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,800 All of the power is not in what I do. 572 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:27,880 And there's even no power at all in confessing to the bishop or in my own crying or in any 573 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:28,880 of that. 574 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:34,640 That doesn't save me unless I have adequate faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. 575 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:41,440 And I believe in my heart of hearts that he really did suffer for my sins and that he 576 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:50,560 is full of mercy and grace and is quick and anxious to speedily forgive me. 577 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:58,360 Only when I have that kind of faith and understanding of Jesus Christ will I receive the power of 578 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,720 forgiveness and repentance in my life. 579 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:08,240 So and then the final thing that repentance is not and this one, this one would always 580 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:12,320 when I would teach this, my students would, it would always kind of wake them up. 581 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,760 You know how they, you get their attention, they kind of look up at you and they go, what? 582 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,480 Yeah, yeah. 583 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:25,040 I would, I love teaching it because there was, it really hit a nerve with so many of 584 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,040 my students. 585 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:34,520 Repentance is not stopping a behavior. 586 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,400 Repentance is not changing. 587 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,640 I mean, I know President Nelson says that it is and it is ultimately that's the results 588 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:42,640 of it. 589 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,280 And ultimately we need to change. 590 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,520 But in and of itself. 591 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,400 But in and of itself. 592 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:53,560 Repentance is not merely stopping a wrong behavior. 593 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,840 It's not changing a behavior. 594 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,840 Why is that not? 595 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,840 Repentance? 596 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,440 Well, even atheists and agnostics can do that. 597 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,200 Anybody can change a behavior, but there's no redemption in just stopping a behavior 598 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,280 or changing a behavior. 599 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:16,320 There's no redemption in that if Jesus Christ is not the center of it. 600 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,400 And I love this quote, which I've used for so many years and it's in the, it's in the 601 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,960 book. 602 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,800 This is elder Ezra Taft Benson who said, what page, what page are you on there? 603 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,080 Page 138. 604 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:36,920 Even the most just and upright man cannot save himself solely on his own merits. 605 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:44,600 If it were not for Jesus Christ, there could be no remission of sins. 606 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,480 Stopping a behavior doesn't bring a remission of sins. 607 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,080 Changing a behavior doesn't bring a remission of sins. 608 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:59,040 But through Jesus Christ, he can bring a remission of sin, which causes the change of heart. 609 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:04,080 So what repentance is not, Scott, it's not just change. 610 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,040 It's a change of nature. 611 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,120 In Jesus Christ. 612 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,240 It's not just change of behavior. 613 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,520 It's a change of nature. 614 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,960 That's what Elder per President Nelson really means when he says repentance is change. 615 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,600 It's a change of nature. 616 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,880 It's a change of heart. 617 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,960 It may even be to some degree a change of personality and character. 618 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,520 It changes our life, not just our behaviors. 619 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,720 That's true repentance. 620 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:42,040 So I, I think that that's maybe all we need to say about what repentance is not. 621 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,760 And that helps us to understand what it is. 622 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,960 Maybe just one more quote from the book, President Joseph F. Smith. 623 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,120 I love his, uh, right. 624 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,000 His book called gospel doctrine. 625 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000 Men cannot forgive their own sins. 626 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:06,160 They cannot cleanse themselves from their own consequences of sin. 627 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,960 Men can can stop sinning and they can do right in the future. 628 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:17,680 And so far as their acts are acceptable before the Lord, they are worthy of consideration. 629 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,920 But who shall repair the wrongs? 630 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:28,960 That have been done to themselves and to others, which it seems impossible for them to repair 631 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:35,720 themselves by through the atonement of Jesus Christ. 632 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:40,040 The sins of the repentant shall be washed away. 633 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,520 Though they be crimson, they shall be made white as wool. 634 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:51,720 According Isaiah 118, this is the promise of repentance given to you. 635 00:46:51,720 --> 00:47:01,000 So I, I, the atonement of Jesus Christ, it made the breach it covered it covered it. 636 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,960 It was a ransom, Scott. 637 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,960 It paid the full demands of justice. 638 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:08,960 We can't do that. 639 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,980 We can't begin to do that. 640 00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:12,560 We can never do that. 641 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,160 It's without end. 642 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,840 Even if we don't repent of our sins, we'll never, we'll never be able to fully pay the 643 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:21,840 demands. 644 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:29,840 And why would God, I remember having this brief conversation, do we believe Jesus Christ 645 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,320 suffered for all the sins of the world? 646 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,000 Yes. 647 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:44,440 So if, if anyone believes that if you don't repent, that you're going to suffer again 648 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:53,520 for the sins, ransom demands of justice, then you have to ask yourself, would a kind, merciful 649 00:47:53,520 --> 00:48:08,720 God demand a double payment? 650 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:18,120 Our repentance is not to pay back, be punished for our sins. 651 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:29,800 It is to receive the receive the gift of Christ atoning sacrifice in our life. 652 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,240 Scott, that's what repentance is. 653 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,340 And that's how we receive it. 654 00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:40,600 And it should be so joyful to participate in that process. 655 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,040 Whatever it takes, whatever it takes, repentance is not easy. 656 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,000 I don't want to give any wrong impression that we're saying 657 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,200 that it's easy, breezy and takes a little effort. 658 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:59,400 It takes great effort to really understand what Jesus suffered, not only for us, but 659 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,000 because of us. 660 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:08,400 And to have that broken heart and contrite spirit and to, to become so humbled that 661 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,000 we, we would confess to those that we have, and we'll talk more about that. 662 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:18,360 That's a whole other podcast confession and the process of repentance. 663 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,520 I really think that's a manifestation of repentance. 664 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,400 We'll read about that. 665 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:31,040 But to go to the bishop, to go to those that we've heard, to ask for forgiveness of others, 666 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,120 that's not easy. 667 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,600 There's nothing easy about that. 668 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:43,520 But that's part of the process that helps us to tap into the full redemptive cleansing, 669 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:49,080 healing power of the atonement of Jesus Christ. 670 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:55,760 So I think another thing that we need to understand before we finish today in understanding what 671 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,960 repentance is not and what it is. 672 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:05,120 There are so many Scott who misunderstand repentance and think of it as an institutional 673 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,280 activity. 674 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,360 Right. 675 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,800 That was my experience teaching young adults in the church. 676 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:17,720 And I think so many youth in the church see repentance as an institutional activity or 677 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:23,640 event that it is through the church. 678 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,520 Repentance is not through the church. 679 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,520 It's not. 680 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,040 It's not through the bishop. 681 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,400 It's not through the priesthood. 682 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:41,200 I'm not making light or lessening the effect of going to those with keys and repenting 683 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:46,240 and the power of the priesthood to bless us and to help us through the process. 684 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:54,680 I am saying forgiveness is never, never through the church or an institution. 685 00:50:54,680 --> 00:51:02,560 It's through one individual, the Lord Jesus Christ who suffered for our sins. 686 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,480 Repentance is through him. 687 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:10,440 It is an activity that centers and focuses on him. 688 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:17,360 Then any priesthood leader or individual who doesn't understand that will be trying to 689 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,320 cause a shortcut of repentance. 690 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,040 And that shortcut will actually short circuit the entire process. 691 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,360 It will backfire. 692 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,160 It will totally backfire and be counterproductive. 693 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,160 Yeah. 694 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,840 I think that's one of the things that's really important for us to understand. 695 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:33,840 All of this is. 696 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,680 But that one there can also be another huge roadblock. 697 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,800 I mean, you just shared the experience that Elder Bednar shared with others. 698 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,720 You know, well, I feel so much better now that I've done this. 699 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,720 This is the last thing on my checklist, the last thing I had to do. 700 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,960 That last thing was the institutional act. 701 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:51,960 Right. 702 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,080 And once that confession, I felt this and I know many of us probably have and probably 703 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,000 have felt like that we've been taught this. 704 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,920 But I know that I have been in that situation. 705 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,200 And once the confession and once I felt like, you know, I received the good back and the 706 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,200 good graces from the church that all was well. 707 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:16,480 And that created for me actually in some cases more sense ensue. 708 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,600 Because I totally misunderstood it. 709 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:19,600 Yeah. 710 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,600 Right. 711 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,840 And I had to get it short circuited, as you said. 712 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,120 And you thought you were done. 713 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,120 Yeah. 714 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,120 And you weren't done at all. 715 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,120 No. 716 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,800 The work that that's that's the real work is one of the most right with Jesus Christ. 717 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:38,440 One of the most dangerous forms of self deception, in my opinion, is to think that because we 718 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,960 have gone through that institutional process that we have been forgiven of our sins. 719 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,400 That's a different process. 720 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,000 That's a different activity. 721 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:53,080 Let's say more come unto me, experience the peace, learn of me. 722 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,840 Those are the things that bring that not sitting in the Bishops or State Presidents office. 723 00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,840 Those are important. 724 00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:59,840 You mentioned that. 725 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,680 And I don't I do not want to diminish the importance of that. 726 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,000 In fact, they can play. 727 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,560 They can place God a critical role. 728 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,060 They do play in the process because they are common judges. 729 00:53:10,060 --> 00:53:11,760 We have judges in Israel. 730 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:12,760 Right. 731 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:21,360 And they have keys that that help us and to reconnect us and they have the power to determine 732 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,880 ordinances and our worthiness. 733 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:29,600 They they have the judgment and the spirit to determine worthiness to participate in 734 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:36,600 the ordinances, which then help us to receive the full power and forgiveness of the Lord 735 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,400 Jesus Christ in our life. 736 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:45,000 You know, we can't overstate again how important priesthood is in in the process. 737 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,600 But if you think that's repentance, you will never be able to repent or feel forgiven. 738 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:56,880 And to be clear, it's our job to make sure we understand that no matter what our experience 739 00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,000 has been or will be in the future. 740 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,360 It's our job. 741 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:08,680 We are responsible to own and to execute our behavior with Jesus Christ. 742 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,360 It's not their job. 743 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,320 Their job is to help us and to help assimilate that. 744 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,440 And and and as you mentioned, to invoke ordinances and priesthood and all of those things, which 745 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,320 gets back to what we talked about a couple of weeks ago when we talked about faith in 746 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,320 his name. 747 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,320 That's why we do this. 748 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,600 Our godliness is manifest in the ordinances. 749 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,280 Power of the atonement of Jesus Christ is manifest in the ordinances. 750 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,280 It's all important. 751 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,920 And that's all a not just important. 752 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,760 It's a critical component to this repent process. 753 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:39,760 Repentance process. 754 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:40,760 Yes. 755 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:41,760 But the repentance. 756 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,760 But it's not repentance. 757 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:43,760 It's not. 758 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,320 The repentance comes as we develop our relationship with Jesus Christ and qualify for the blessings, 759 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:53,960 the blessings, the unconditional and conditional effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ as 760 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,920 we become qualified for those. 761 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,240 That's when the repentance takes place. 762 00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:59,240 Amen. 763 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:05,960 And we'll talk more about what should be confessed and what shouldn't be confessed to the church 764 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,200 when we get to that part of repentance in a few weeks. 765 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,800 Scott, thank you so much. 766 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:17,640 I've enjoyed our discussion today about what repentance is not, which should help us then 767 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,600 understand what repentance is. 768 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,200 And I am just so grateful. 769 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:29,520 So, so, so thankful for the gift of repentance in my own life and hope all of our listeners 770 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:30,840 will understand. 771 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,720 You know, maybe this institutional thing, maybe we should end on a scripture. 772 00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:41,480 Scott in Dr. Inc. section 10, a revelation given through the prophet Joseph Smith when 773 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,920 he lost 116 pages. 774 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,440 And I've always found this to be a really interesting verse on repentance and the church 775 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,880 and how the Lord does tie them together. 776 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,680 Don't you read 66 and 67, Scott? 777 00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:02,160 Yeah, if they will come, they may and partake of the waters of life freely. 778 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,680 Behold, this is my doctrine. 779 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:10,320 Whoever repenteth and cometh unto me the same is my church. 780 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,400 Who's the church? 781 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,480 Whoever cometh to me and repenteth. 782 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,600 I think that's an interesting definition of the church. 783 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,880 Yeah, that is an interesting definition for sure. 784 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,280 So even though it's repentance is not an institutional activity, right? 785 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,840 Amen, hallelujah. 786 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,800 If you don't repent, you're not of Christ's church. 787 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,160 You're not part of the body of Christ. 788 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:40,280 You're really not part of the body of Christ and enjoying all the blessings and ordinances 789 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:46,200 and powers of Christ through His Atonement which can flow into our lives. 790 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,680 I think the next verse is really interesting too. 791 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:55,520 Verse 68, whosoever declareeth more or less than this, the same is not of me, but is against 792 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:56,520 me. 793 00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,440 Therefore, He is not of my church. 794 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:07,320 So again, the thing that's most critical and this podcast, How We Begin, the Lord has told 795 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:14,760 us over and over again, the thing that's most critical and greatest worth is to repent. 796 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:23,040 And I hope that we can all enjoy that blessing, that freeing blessing in each of our lives. 797 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,600 Me too. 798 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,600 Great discussion. 799 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:31,520 I really look forward to what's to come next and next and next after all of that. 800 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:38,200 This process is such a fun experience for me as we begin to open up and allow the spirit 801 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,480 of our Heavenly Father to testify to us the truths of the things that we've talked about 802 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:49,040 today, there's just such great freedom and such great joy and maybe above all of that, 803 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,720 the peace that comes to us because of His Atonement. 804 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:54,720 Thanks for being with us. 805 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,760 Remember, you have been redeemed through His blood and we look forward to being with 806 00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,160 you again next week. 807 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:00,160 Have a great week, everybody. 808 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:12,420 Thank you.