1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:21,320 Hey there everybody and welcome back to another episode of Redeemed Through His Blood. 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,960 Scott Durfey here joined as always by Uncle David Durfey. 3 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:25,960 Hey Dave. 4 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:26,960 Good to see you Scott. 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,960 I wish you'd stop. 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:28,960 You gotta stop calling me Uncle. 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,200 You make me sound old. 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,440 Well if the shoe fits as they say. 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,240 Alright my good friend. 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,320 You know my brother we actually do joke around about that. 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,680 Dave's only you know I don't know what Dave eight years older than I am. 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:46,680 I think that's right. 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:53,680 Yeah so he's actually closer to me in age than he is to my father who is his older brother. 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,000 Yeah some people probably would see us together and they'd think I was your little brother. 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,920 Well just because you're younger brother younger brother. 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,960 Yeah not little younger brother. 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,960 That's for sure. 18 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:06,000 Yeah they sure would. 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,320 That white hair makes you look so much younger. 20 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:10,480 Well I don't die by like yours. 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,680 Well you should maybe consider starting. 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,600 I wear makeup and dye my hair. 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,960 Yeah you have to have a TV presence. 24 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:20,640 That's right. 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,640 You know what if my hair was as white as yours I would just be super happy. 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:30,120 My grandpa Dave's dad we're really getting off track here but Dave's dad my grandpa Durfee 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,600 had the most white angelic looking hair and you know Dave's hair is pretty much the same. 28 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,240 We're going to talk about the resurrection today Scott and I've thought you know. 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:40,760 You're not going to have that white hair anymore. 30 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,760 I thought how's he going to be. 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,680 You know we think of don't we usually most of us think of Heavenly Father as having white 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,760 hair. 33 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,680 And I've wondered you know you talk about being resurrected maybe in our prime. 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,680 I don't know what that means. 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,880 I don't think I know what I want it to me. 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,040 I don't think that necessarily means how you look but with a resurrected body you're not 37 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,600 going to have any health problems so there will be arthritis or any of that going on. 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:13,520 So I think you can look older without being younger even if you're resurrected in your 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:14,520 prime. 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:21,400 So but I often think I hope he my dad and I hope even me gets to keep your white gets 41 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,160 to keep our our white hair. 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:28,120 I hope you do too and I get to keep my dark hair. 43 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:33,160 Anyway we're really getting off track great to episodes last week as we've kind of wrapped 44 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,520 up the events of the atonement of Jesus Christ. 45 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:42,360 We're going to talk some more about that again today but I just hope is you know we're really 46 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,440 closing in on this Easter season. 47 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:50,200 I don't know we're several days into what the Protestants and Catholics observe as lent 48 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:55,680 already as we are approaching Easter and you know maybe we'll be able to put together a 49 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,880 another special Easter podcast like we did last year. 50 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,800 I'm headed to the Holy Land and by the time this podcast comes out though I'll be back 51 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,600 already but looking extremely forward to that experience as well Dave where a lot of the 52 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,600 stuff took place. 53 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:15,520 You don't even know how great life changing that will that will be for you. 54 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:22,840 I pray that you'll be you'll be safe and you'll come you'll come back. 55 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,160 I don't know if being able to see things. 56 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,160 Yeah. 57 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:33,920 That you've never seen before as you study the gospel and the life of Jesus Christ and 58 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:40,480 it will it will make some of those events even seem maybe more real to you. 59 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,840 Which I'm extremely I'm just super excited about that. 60 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,400 I spend a lot of work getting prepared for it and you know it's been hard to kind of 61 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,080 focus and be thinking about what's coming there. 62 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,360 So we'll hop on an airplane in the next couple of days and I'll have a 17 hour plane right 63 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,880 to kind of get my get myself pulled together and ready for it. 64 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,560 But let's get into the topic today. 65 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:08,360 Dave why don't you kind of well we want to finish off the events and kind of lead into 66 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:15,760 the effects of the redeeming sacrifice of Jesus Christ. 67 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:21,000 So Scott we were talking about the resurrection I think we ended on the twenty five hundred 68 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:29,380 eyewitnesses in the Book of Mormon near the temple in Bountiful and Jesus invites them 69 00:04:29,380 --> 00:04:37,200 you know to come and to feel the prints of the nails and to see and to know that he is 70 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,320 resurrected. 71 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:48,120 So I just think that's such a amazing powerful experience and in a way Scott he invites us 72 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:54,660 to think about his resurrection and to rejoice in his resurrection every Sunday when we partake 73 00:04:54,660 --> 00:05:05,400 of the sacrament to in essence feel and partake of his flesh and to think about and be grateful 74 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:12,800 for the shedding of his blood and we should definitely think about how glorious the resurrection 75 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:18,360 is and the powerful effect of it. 76 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:27,160 I love this quote by President Oaks that was in April twenty twenty one during Easter weekend 77 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,680 and he gives us this beautiful talk of the resurrection and the atonement of Jesus Christ 78 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:38,960 and the title I think of his talk is What Has the Savior Done for Me? 79 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:45,800 And he lists several all of course pointing back to the Savior's atonement. 80 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:54,120 Right up concerning the resurrection he rewrites, The resurrection gives us the perspective 81 00:05:54,120 --> 00:06:03,960 and the strength to endure the mortal challenges faced by each of us and those we love. 82 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,000 Just think about that for a minute how so? 83 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:13,200 How does the resurrection give us the perspective and strength to endure the mortal challenges 84 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,560 faced by each of us and those we love? 85 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,360 And let that set in for a minute. 86 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:28,160 Then he continues, It gives us a new way to view the physical, mental or emotional deficiencies 87 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,440 which we have at birth or acquire during mortal life. 88 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:41,920 It gives us the strength to endure sorrows, failures and frustrations because each of 89 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,920 us has had an assured resurrection. 90 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:53,640 We know that these mortal deficiencies and oppositions are only temporary. 91 00:06:53,640 --> 00:07:00,280 The resurrection also gives us a powerful incentive to keep the commandments of God 92 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:03,360 during our mortal lives. 93 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,840 Because when we rise from the dead and proceed to our prophesied final judgment we want to 94 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:15,320 have qualified for the choices blessings promised to resurrected beings. 95 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:22,040 So I think when we talk about the resurrection of Jesus Christ and we understand the effects 96 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:30,200 of that resurrection is that Christ overcame physical death for every human being that 97 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:39,960 has ever been born on this earth and even sons of perdition all will be resurrected. 98 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,760 That is so clear. 99 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,600 It's clear to me in the Bible but not all religions, Christian churches believe that 100 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,240 or teach that. 101 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:59,280 But it's unmistakably clear and obvious in the Book of Mormon that all will be resurrected. 102 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:05,480 And we have a little deeper understanding because of the Doctrine and Covenants that 103 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,440 there will be multiple resurrections. 104 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:16,560 The timing of the resurrections are I think important to understand. 105 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:24,920 We as a patriarch, I gave a blessing again last night and often, I would say more times 106 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:32,520 than not or almost always maybe, I bless individuals that if they are faithful they will come forth 107 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,560 in the morning of the first resurrection. 108 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:40,560 Well what does that really mean? 109 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:45,280 If there is a morning is there an evening and if there is a first resurrection is there 110 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,720 a second resurrection? 111 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:53,920 And I think it's helpful, Doctrine and Covenants, Section 88 particularly helps us understand 112 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,680 that there are basically four resurrections. 113 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:07,360 There is a morning of the first resurrection and there is an evening of the first resurrection. 114 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:14,600 In the morning of the first resurrection all those who have lived a celestial law will 115 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,640 be resurrected first. 116 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,640 That's the morning of the first resurrection. 117 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:28,760 How glorious would that be to be resurrected early and to be among the first to physically 118 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:33,160 greet Jesus Christ in the second coming. 119 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,760 So that's when that resurrection will take place. 120 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:45,160 Will be in the morning of the first resurrection, will come at the time of or close to or right 121 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:51,320 after the second coming of Jesus Christ and all who have lived a celestial law will be 122 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,840 resurrected at that time. 123 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:59,920 And then throughout the thousand years because we know that those who have lived at least 124 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:08,040 the terrestrial law, those who are valiant, those who are honorable men but have maybe 125 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:14,440 not been as valiant in their testimony of Jesus, those are the individuals described 126 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:22,480 in Doctrine and Covenants, Section 76 as living a terrestrial law. 127 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:28,640 Terrestrial beings, if you live a terrestrial life and you're a good person, an honorable 128 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:37,440 person, an honest person, a nice person, you'll survive the second coming if you're a terrestrial 129 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,440 mortal. 130 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:45,080 And if you've lived a terrestrial law and died before the second coming, you'll be resurrected 131 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:51,280 sometime before the thousand years of peace ends. 132 00:10:51,280 --> 00:11:01,280 So the first resurrection takes place beginning of or during and before the end of the second 133 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,560 coming of Jesus Christ. 134 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:06,560 Is that clear? 135 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,320 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 136 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:13,200 You know, and I think that this is something that gets brought up and is wondered about, 137 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,720 I think, from time to time. 138 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,640 But yeah, I think that you're making it very clear. 139 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,720 I just want to, if you don't mind, you said something about resurrection being talked 140 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:27,280 about in the Bible and how to you it's clear, to me it's clear also. 141 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:28,800 And I'm just going to share one scripture. 142 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:29,800 Is that okay? 143 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:30,800 Yeah. 144 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,360 So this is out of 1 Corinthians 15, 29. 145 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,360 And this is Paul. 146 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,080 He's speaking to those in Corinth. 147 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:42,120 And what's interesting here is he's bringing up actually two principles. 148 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,680 He's bringing up baptism for the dead and he's also bringing up resurrection. 149 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:51,320 It seems though that in this verse, baptism for the dead was not in question. 150 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,280 It wasn't a situation here where they were questioning the validity of baptism for the 151 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,280 dead. 152 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,280 He uses it as evidence. 153 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,280 Yeah, absolutely. 154 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,600 And they were so they were so they were so able to accept that baptism for the dead apparently 155 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:08,520 was something that they were doing, but he was like he and so he said to him and you 156 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,720 know and I'll say it, I'll read it and then I'll say it. 157 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Well, before you read 29, Scott, yeah, read verses 20 and 21. 158 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,600 Okay, that's gift to 29. 159 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,600 Yeah, there you go. 160 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,200 But now this is 20. 161 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,040 But now is Christ risen from the dead and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 162 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,600 For since by man came death by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 163 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,320 I'll actually read 22 too. 164 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,960 For as an Adam I'll die even so Christ shall all be made alive. 165 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,240 Okay, now that seems obvious to me. 166 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:42,360 But then he goes an Adam all die even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 167 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,840 But again, that's interpreted differently by different Christian churches. 168 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,520 Well and then he basically says to them he says else what shall they do which are baptized 169 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,400 for the dead if the dead rise not at all. 170 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,240 Why then are they baptized for the dead? 171 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,420 You know in other words if we were to put that in today's vernacular, guys you're baptizing 172 00:12:58,420 --> 00:13:02,120 people for the dead but you don't believe in the resurrection what gives here. 173 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,120 Right. 174 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:04,120 Yeah. 175 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,360 Yeah, that's good, Scott. 176 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,120 Thank you. 177 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,720 So that's the first resurrection, right? 178 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,600 There's a morning and an evening. 179 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:19,040 Celestial will be resurrected in the morning, terrestrial in the evening and all of that 180 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:26,280 takes place at the time of or during the second coming of Jesus Christ and the millennial 181 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,160 reign of Christ on the earth. 182 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:36,240 The second resurrection and I believe there's a morning, you know we don't really call 183 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,560 that in the scriptures but there's a morning and there's an evening. 184 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:41,560 There's an order. 185 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:43,560 That's the point I guess. 186 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:45,600 Morning or evening is not important. 187 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,560 There's an order. 188 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:57,040 And the second resurrection, first all the telestial individuals will be resurrected. 189 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:06,800 These are described again in Doctrine and Covenants section 76 and is not pleasant to 190 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:16,120 think about living with these people forever but it's basically the murderers and the 191 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:23,560 sorcerers and those who lie and love and make a lie. 192 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:29,200 Immorality, I think that's the definition of the scriptures of immorality is those who 193 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,440 love and make a lie. 194 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:39,400 Those are the telestial beings and they'll be resurrected after the second coming of 195 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,320 Jesus Christ in the millennium. 196 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:50,160 And then finally, the sons of perdition will be resurrected. 197 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,720 Some people think there will only be a few of those. 198 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,840 I think in the teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith he alludes that there might be more 199 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:06,760 than we think but nevertheless all of those who are sons of perdition and who receive 200 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:13,520 no glory at all, who go to outer darkness, they'll also be resurrected. 201 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,280 They'll be the last to be resurrected. 202 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,200 So that's the order of the resurrection. 203 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:27,380 And it's kind of also interesting I think, Scott, to think about what is the resurrection. 204 00:15:27,380 --> 00:15:36,740 The resurrection is actually already in process I guess we could say because of some special 205 00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:43,160 dispensational reasons some individuals have been resurrected. 206 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:49,680 We know that Peter was resurrected who was crucified upside down and he's been resurrected. 207 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:55,120 He appeared to Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, laid hands on their head and gave them priesthood. 208 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,280 James, who was beheaded, he's resurrected. 209 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,240 He appeared with Peter, James, and John. 210 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,480 John of course is a translated being. 211 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,360 He's not yet resurrected. 212 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:15,160 And we know that Moroni has been resurrected, handling the plates, appearing to Joseph Smith. 213 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:22,440 So we know that for different dispensational reasons individuals have been resurrected, 214 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:29,320 maybe more than we would ever believe. 215 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,320 But it continues. 216 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:37,720 And it's interesting kind of when you think about the process I think of the resurrection, 217 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:38,720 Scott. 218 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:48,440 I remember being in this talk that President Kimball gave back in the late 1970s I think. 219 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,000 I think we have the reference there, Scott. 220 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,000 Is there a date? 221 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,920 I'm looking for that date as you're saying that. 222 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:53,920 I think it's like 1970s. 223 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,480 I don't see it right off the... 224 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:01,600 And he gives this talk and he talks about the keys of the resurrection. 225 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:09,200 And he talks about it as though it is a priesthood ordinance quoting Brigham Young. 226 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:18,080 So I think it's significant when you have a Latter-day Prophet quoting another prophet. 227 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:23,920 And this is President Kimball quoting Brigham Young and I think he makes a comment about 228 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:24,920 it. 229 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,400 I'll read it. 230 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,300 So the title of... 231 00:17:28,300 --> 00:17:33,280 I still don't see a date on this but it says that the title on this is Our Great Potential. 232 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,640 Maybe Dave can look that up while I'm reading. 233 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:43,720 Well, actually it was in a conference report, April 1977. 234 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,340 The Ordinance and Keys of the Resurrection. 235 00:17:47,340 --> 00:17:52,200 It is supposed to be by this people that we have all the ordinances in our possession 236 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:59,160 of for life and salvation and exaltation and we are administering those ordinances. 237 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:00,920 This is not the case. 238 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,320 We are in possession of all the ordinances that can be administered in the flesh but 239 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:11,360 there are other ordinances and administrations that must be administered beyond this world. 240 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:14,440 I know you would like to ask what they are. 241 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:15,920 I will mention one. 242 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:23,400 We have not, neither can we receive here the ordinance and the keys of resurrection. 243 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,160 He goes on a few other places here, Dave, and quotes him further. 244 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,000 He says these keys will be given to those who have passed off this stage of action and 245 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,940 have received their bodies again. 246 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:39,680 They will be ordained by those who hold the keys of the resurrection to go forth and resurrect 247 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,280 the saints. 248 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:47,000 Just as we receive the ordinance of baptism, then receive the keys and authority to baptize 249 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,440 others for the remission of their sins. 250 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:56,400 This is one of the ordinances we cannot receive here on the earth and there are many more. 251 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,160 Isn't that interesting? 252 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,160 Very interesting, isn't it? 253 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:02,160 Yeah. 254 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:08,800 I have never forgotten what he taught that. 255 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,920 The restoration continues, in other words. 256 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,240 We don't have all the priesthood keys yet. 257 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:23,840 We don't have the keys of the resurrection and we look forward to when those keys will 258 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:30,600 be restored and when the great resurrection will begin. 259 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:37,280 Or at least when it takes place right before the coming of Jesus Christ. 260 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,400 So I look forward to that, Scott. 261 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:48,440 I think as President Oaks says, it gives us eternal perspective when you think about all 262 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:59,240 of the loved ones that we've lost, what great hope we have, what great anticipation and 263 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:05,680 joy we have as we think about being reunited with them. 264 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:15,360 Think about my mother, my father, my brother, my sister, grandparents and some who I've 265 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:18,560 never met. 266 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,760 Most of my grandparents I've never met. 267 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:32,720 And others, my wife and I, we have the personal belief there's no official doctrine or policy 268 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,440 on this as far as the church is concerned about stillborns. 269 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,760 But we've buried three babies. 270 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:47,640 What great anticipation I have to meet those three boys that we named and buried and what 271 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:55,320 a great day that will be to have those three individuals to our family table during the 272 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,840 millennium. 273 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,200 You know, there's just so much hope. 274 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:06,800 And I don't think that we generally think about this enough. 275 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:15,240 If we thought more about the resurrection and the hope and the joyful anticipation of 276 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:27,200 the resurrection, Scott, it should change how we live our lives and the happiness and 277 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,640 the hope that should fill our life. 278 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,720 Yeah, I think that if we were to focus more on it, I agree. 279 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:40,200 I think that I for one, I don't know about everybody, but I know I for one, I don't really 280 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,040 focus on the resurrection much. 281 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,560 But when I do, I know the hope that springs from me when I do. 282 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:52,000 I know the confirmation of the Spirit that comes to me when I do. 283 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,600 And those types of things draw me closer to my Heavenly Father. 284 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:01,440 And we talk about the atonement of Jesus Christ, that's what this podcast is, is to help us 285 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:07,000 all have an understanding and at least a desire to understand perhaps the atonement of Jesus 286 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,560 Christ more fully. 287 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,560 And we just can't do that without an understanding of the resurrection because there's just so 288 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:20,360 much grace that comes because of the resurrection, Dave, that we get so much love. 289 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:26,200 We get to feel our Father's love in depths that I don't think we can yet comprehend until 290 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,200 that happens. 291 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,160 Because I think of that reunion and in our family, it's been talked, we talk about those 292 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,500 reunions on the other side since I was a little boy, I remember. 293 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:38,920 And so we are in anticipation of those reunions. 294 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,460 But I think we talk about them and that creates some happiness and joy in us, but probably 295 00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:45,800 nothing compared to what it'll be like when we're there. 296 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:51,480 So because of the atonement of Jesus Christ, which does include this part of it, this is 297 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:57,000 just another testifier to me of the beauty behind all of it. 298 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:03,680 You know, the word hope in the Scriptures is an interesting word, Scott. 299 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:14,040 In the Scriptures, that is, the Lord refers to the word hope, it is definitely stronger 300 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,840 than how we use it in our vernacular today. 301 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:25,200 I mean, today if we say, I hope, I hope this or I hope you that, we're kind of saying, 302 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,400 I wish, right? 303 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,000 It's kind of become synonymous with the word wish. 304 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:38,520 But in the Scriptures, it is synonymous with assurance. 305 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,920 I have assurance. 306 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,880 I hope is like saying, I know. 307 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:53,720 That's why I think in the Moroni Seventh, you don't have hope until you have faith. 308 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,560 And faith and hope go together. 309 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,840 Knowledge and assurance and faith and belief, those all go together. 310 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,880 And hope is a strong word. 311 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:13,160 And I hope, I have assurance, a witness that I will see my loved ones again. 312 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:19,400 That changes my personal behaviors, knowing that. 313 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,760 It gives me a different perspective. 314 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:29,080 It gives me a desire to live so that I can be resurrected when they're resurrected. 315 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,080 Right, yeah. 316 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,280 You know, so that we can be resurrected together. 317 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:39,960 The great hope assurance of being able to rise from the dead and to be reunited with 318 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:49,020 family, that is the gospel at the very heart of the gospel, the good news. 319 00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:56,360 This is the good news that life continues after this life, that we'll have the same 320 00:24:56,360 --> 00:25:02,840 as taught in Doctrine and Coven, section 130, the same sociality relationships go on forever 321 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,080 and ever. 322 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:12,520 Sweet patriarchal blessing I gave last night, you know, telling this young woman, you know, 323 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,000 the hope of the resurrection. 324 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:21,760 And that even now she's being blessed by angels on the other side of the veil that she may 325 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:30,240 be completely unaware of, but that there's angels who are assisting us and awaiting their 326 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:37,920 resurrection and trying to help us to prepare ourselves for the resurrection as well. 327 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,240 It's kind of the bottom line, Scott. 328 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,440 It all comes down to this. 329 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:46,960 I mean, if there is no resurrection, then it's all for not that we're wasting our time. 330 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,960 Exactly. 331 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,960 Now, I don't know how many individuals have had that testimony or that witness of the 332 00:25:53,960 --> 00:26:01,000 Holy Spirit that there really will be a resurrection, but I will never forget the first time in 333 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,800 my life when I received that witness. 334 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,800 And it's a simple experience. 335 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:15,800 But I was sitting in a priesthood meeting in my ward in Highland, Utah, and I think 336 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:28,400 it was Bishop Franson came in to our elders quorum and announced Brother Lecombe has died. 337 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:36,520 Brother Lecombe was a great man, great family, but a very young man. 338 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,440 And he got cancer and he died early in his life. 339 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,440 And I loved him. 340 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,420 I loved their family. 341 00:26:45,420 --> 00:26:48,480 And I sat there and it just it just struck me. 342 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,080 I think it came, I think, from the Spirit, Scott. 343 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,240 I thought this is my thought. 344 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:03,760 If Brother Lecombe isn't going to live again and be with his family forever, then why am 345 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,920 I sitting here? 346 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,240 I'm wasting my time. 347 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:16,720 And as I thought that thought, Scott, I was filled with a witness. 348 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:26,160 The Holy Ghost bore a powerful witness to me that Brother Lecombe was going to be resurrected 349 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,000 and that I would be resurrected and my loved ones would be resurrected. 350 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,920 That was long before my mother and father and brother and sister and father-in-law, 351 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,360 all those had died. 352 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,880 I think I was only about 30 years old when that happened. 353 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,200 And it changed my life, really. 354 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,520 I received a witness. 355 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:53,560 I knew that there would be a physical resurrection. 356 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:59,840 So I think our listeners need to just kind of ask themselves if they've had that witness 357 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,360 and what can they do to maybe receive that witness? 358 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:08,320 I think that's an important witness to pursue. 359 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:15,480 With that witness, with that testimony of the resurrection, that really drives deeper 360 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,480 our own testimony of Jesus Christ. 361 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,000 But not only just that, but also the restored gospel because of all of the information that 362 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,400 we have about the resurrection through that, Dave. 363 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:33,560 Well, I know another part of my testimony concerning the resurrection, Scott, is my 364 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:44,880 witness that the prophet Joseph Smith saw God the Father and His resurrected Son Jesus Christ 365 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,880 in the Sacred Grove. 366 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,840 Scott, we were in the Sacred Grove together. 367 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,600 We've been there. 368 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,280 I have received a witness. 369 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,840 As have I. 370 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:09,440 That I know that a living, modern prophet saw God the Father and the resurrected Jesus 371 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:17,040 Christ and that He appeared to the prophet Joseph Smith, the boy prophet. 372 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:23,280 I know that's true and it's another part of my witness of the resurrection. 373 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,960 And I believe, Scott, that He has appeared to others as well. 374 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:37,960 It's interesting that Joseph F. Smith says that to be an apostle in these latter days, 375 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:45,520 you have to be a special witness or a living witness of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 376 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,480 Now, I don't know exactly what that means and I don't think that all the apostles have 377 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:56,800 to see Jesus or feel the prints of the nails in His hands and feet, but I believe that 378 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,120 they've had that sure witness, which may be from the Holy Ghost. 379 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:09,160 I don't know what that witness is, but I know that there are those who are special 380 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:15,680 witnesses of Jesus Christ who know of the reality of the resurrection. 381 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:26,160 And I'm not a special witness, but I know that Jesus Christ is resurrected. 382 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:34,160 I know that the resurrection, also Scott, is without it. 383 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,280 We would have all been lost. 384 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:45,400 This life would be not only wasted, but we would have become angels to the devil. 385 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:51,480 I think we've referenced that passage before in other episodes, but if you want to turn 386 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:57,920 and read it, because I think it's powerful, let's read the teachings of Jacob in 2 Nephi 387 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:04,760 chapter 9 verses 7 and 8, Scott. 388 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,520 Wherefore it must needs be an infinite atonement. 389 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,560 Save it should be an infinite atonement this corruption could not put on incorruption. 390 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,160 Therefore the first judgment would have come upon man must needs have remained to an endless 391 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:24,080 duration and if so, this flesh must have laid down to rot and to crumble to its mother earth 392 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,560 to rise no more. 393 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:32,600 All the wisdom of God, His mercy and grace, for behold, if the flesh should rise no more, 394 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,920 our spirits must become subject to that angel who fell before the presence of the eternal 395 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,300 God and became the devil to rise no more. 396 00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:47,840 So isn't that amazing? 397 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:55,240 That there's something about a body, something about this physical body and a resurrected 398 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:02,920 body especially that gives us power over Satan. 399 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:11,200 Even those who become sons of perdition, when they're resurrected, they'll have some power 400 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,040 that Satan doesn't have. 401 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:22,240 So it's just critical for us to understand that the effects of the resurrection and the 402 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,760 atonement of Jesus Christ not only allows us to enjoy all of the blessings that were 403 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:34,880 promised but it protects us, this physical body from Satan. 404 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:35,880 Yeah. 405 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,880 Yeah. 406 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,840 And I think it's interesting too that without the resurrection and the resurrection is part 407 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,880 of the atonement and I understand that this part of this scripture is talking about the 408 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:52,440 atonement in general but the atonement of Jesus Christ does include the resurrection 409 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,640 but it says it must needs to be an infinite atonement and we talked about that. 410 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,640 I love that. 411 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,680 In fact, I'm glad you picked up on that and repeated it because Amulek picks up on that. 412 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:12,960 Amulek uses that term about four times in Alma chapter 34 but Jacob was the first one 413 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:20,600 to use that term infinite atonement and that is completely unique to the Book of Mormon 414 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:21,600 and I really love that. 415 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,880 Well, and I love what it says about the requirement. 416 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,400 If it wasn't an infinite atonement, we wouldn't have been able to become clean. 417 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,480 We wouldn't have been able, corruption would not have been able to put on incorruption 418 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,040 and so without the resurrection we would have never been able to become clean enough to 419 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,800 be able to enter into the presence of our Father in heaven again. 420 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:45,280 Let alone to become eventually like Him. 421 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:51,280 So Scott, the resurrection protects us. 422 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,480 It blesses us. 423 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,800 It protects us. 424 00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:01,640 And the effects of the resurrection overcomes the two great negatives of the fall. 425 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,480 We talked about the two great negatives. 426 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,920 The physical death and the spiritual death. 427 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,920 Correct. 428 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,920 There are many negatives. 429 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,080 Yeah, but they fall under those two umbrellas. 430 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,080 Exactly. 431 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:17,680 Those are the two great general negatives or consequences of the fall of Adam and Eve 432 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:25,600 that we were spiritually cut off from God and righteousness and that we would die physically, 433 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,080 that our spirits would be separated from our bodies. 434 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,240 And the resurrection overcomes both of those. 435 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:38,440 Unconditionally, Scott, not just physical death, but the resurrection unconditionally 436 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,040 overcomes spiritual death. 437 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,440 Again, I believe that's taught in the Bible. 438 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:52,440 Again, that scripture, as an animal I'll die physically and spiritually. 439 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,160 Even so in Christ shall I be made alive physically and spiritually. 440 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,880 The Book of Mormon makes it extremely clear. 441 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:07,800 There are many references in the Book of Mormon that talk about us being in the presence of 442 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,760 God to be judged. 443 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,760 Right. 444 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:17,080 So let's just redefine what does it mean to suffer spiritual death for those of you who 445 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,680 have maybe just joining on this particular episode or whatever. 446 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:27,680 So when we talk about spiritual death, we are referring to our separation from Heavenly 447 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,920 Father, from our Heavenly Parents. 448 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,560 Exactly. 449 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,120 And we will return to His presence to be judged. 450 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:45,280 Again, this is taught in multiple places in the Book of Mormon, but it is really obvious 451 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,380 in the teachings of Samuel the Lamanite. 452 00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:54,880 These teachings are so important that Christ had to tell His disciples, you have got to 453 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,520 put in that account about Samuel. 454 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,600 There are some teachings in Samuel that have got to be in the record. 455 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:07,440 So I think it makes these verses even more important when you understand the Savior's 456 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,600 endorsement of Samuel's teaching. 457 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,880 So Samuel the Lamanite in Helaman chapter 14. 458 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,280 In Helaman chapter 14 I will read starting with verse 15. 459 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:30,000 For behold, He surely must die, speaking of Christ, that salvation may come, yea, it behouveth 460 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:37,760 Him, and becomeeth expedient that He dieth, to bring to pass the resurrection of the dead. 461 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:44,040 And thereby men may be brought into the presence of the Lord. 462 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:50,560 Yea, behold this death bringeth to pass the resurrection, and redeemeth, get this, Scott, 463 00:36:50,560 --> 00:37:00,980 all mankind, all mankind, from the first death, that spiritual death. 464 00:37:00,980 --> 00:37:09,080 For all mankind by the fall of Adam, being cut off from the presence of the Lord, are 465 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:16,480 considered as dead, both as to things temporal and to things spiritual. 466 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:24,480 But behold, verse 17, behold the resurrection of Christ, redeemeth mankind, yea, here it 467 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:33,080 is again, even all mankind, and bringeth them back into the presence of the Lord. 468 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,400 Wow. 469 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:44,480 Well Scott, no one is going to escape a personal judgment in the presence of the Lord, and 470 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:52,760 that is the result and the blessing, or maybe in some ways for the wicked, maybe in some 471 00:37:52,760 --> 00:38:01,740 ways a form of pain and punishment, to return to the presence of the Father to be judged 472 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:05,520 and the resurrection of Christ makes that possible. 473 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,080 It gives us a lot of hope, a lot of comfort to know, you know, we talk about that, you 474 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:19,560 know, maybe it will be an experience of punishment or something like that for others, but I just 475 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,560 anticipate that to be a loving experience for most of us. 476 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,120 Well it will, and even for, I even believe for the wicked, they will feel the love of 477 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,520 God, and that is what will make it so painful. 478 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:36,560 Right, right, I think the love that will come in that experience will be, we will never 479 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,560 be able to experience it until we experience it, or never be able to explain it until we 480 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:41,560 experience it. 481 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:49,560 I love when President Benson years ago, President Ezra Taft Benson said that when we return 482 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:56,040 to the presence of God and we see him, we will be surprised at how familiar he is to 483 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,360 us, we will remember him. 484 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,040 I think our memory will come back. 485 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,440 You know, Alma talks about that a little bit in Alma chapter 11, recollection. 486 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,640 He talks about all our guilt, but I believe we will have a recollection of our premortal 487 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:15,120 existence and we will see ourselves in all that we were and all that we could have, should 488 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,120 have, would have. 489 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:21,960 We will see all of that and we will feel the love of God, and in some ways, Scott, I think 490 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,600 it will be a self-judgment. 491 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:32,960 I know there are laws, and God is a God of laws, and he has to be true to those laws, 492 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:39,440 and there is justice, the law of justice, and that is going to dictate much of the judgment. 493 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,480 I know that. 494 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:47,840 But I think that people are going to feel and see the love of God and it is going to 495 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:56,920 be really painful as somewhat of a self-judgment to say, I can't be here. 496 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:09,720 I'm not comfortable with these folks and go where they belong, not only by the laws, 497 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:16,320 but by what they are, I don't want to say comfortable with. 498 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,320 Where do they belong? 499 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,320 Where they feel like they belong. 500 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,640 Where they feel like they belong. 501 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,320 There will just be a belonging there. 502 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:30,960 Maybe in semantics, but maybe there will be comfort to it, because they would be uncomfortable 503 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,640 perhaps being in the presence of God with the understanding that will come to us all 504 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,960 when our veil is lifted, so to speak. 505 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,560 So maybe there will be some discomfort there, but it will be because of the love of God 506 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,000 that we feel that. 507 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:54,360 So I think, Scott, that resurrection and knowing that we will return to the presence of God 508 00:40:54,360 --> 00:41:02,680 to be judged should also have a profound effect upon decisions and choices we make. 509 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:08,840 I don't know, if again I go back to that scripture and look at me and every thought, if we thought 510 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,160 about the resurrection and we thought about the effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ 511 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,640 and His resurrection on our lives, and if we thought that we were going to live again, 512 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:27,920 we had that assurance, and we knew that we were going to have a judgment, I don't know, 513 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,440 I think about that quite a bit. 514 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,440 I do too. 515 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,480 Well, and I may add, and if I thought about and remembered the love that He had for me 516 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,880 by going through what He went through, and if I remember the love that He had for all 517 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:44,240 of the others in my family and in my circle and just of all of our brothers and sisters 518 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,200 on earth, I think that will affect us. 519 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,640 It should affect our behaviors. 520 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,240 I think it will. 521 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:53,400 It should affect our choices. 522 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,720 It should affect how we live our lives. 523 00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:03,640 I've always been touched by this scripture when it comes to judgment, and we talk about 524 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:11,360 that in the Bible, it says that God has committed all judgment to the Son, and I know that's 525 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,360 true. 526 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:19,160 This is taught over and over again in all the scriptures that we return to God through 527 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:26,360 the Son or by the blood of the Son, we return back to the presence of God, and all that 528 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,760 points again to the resurrection and His atonement. 529 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:40,560 Him being our mediator, our advocate in the judgment, the final judgment. 530 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,640 But I still remember President Eyring, Elder Eyring probably at the time when he read this 531 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:52,120 scripture and got somewhat emotional and just so humbly read this verse. 532 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:59,640 This is also Jacob's discourse on the atonement of Jesus Christ, 2 Nephi 9 again, verse 41. 533 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:08,000 Oh then, my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord the Holy One. 534 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,600 Remember that His paths are righteous. 535 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:18,840 Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it lieth in a straight course before Him. 536 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:31,040 And the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel, and He employeth no servant there. 537 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:37,680 There is none other way save it be by the gate, for He cannot be deceived, for the Lord 538 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,800 God is His name. 539 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:50,440 I love that doctrine, that truth, that the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel, 540 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,920 and He employeth no servant there. 541 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,080 It's not going to be a mass judgment, Scott. 542 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,080 Individual right? 543 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,960 There may be others involved in the judgment. 544 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:13,680 I know that there's been teachings that Latter-day prophets will be involved in that, apostles, 545 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,360 and I have no doubt priesthood leaders. 546 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,440 Priesthood leaders will definitely have an influence on our judgment. 547 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:29,440 They are the judges of Israel, and they judge us here, and there may be some judgment over 548 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,440 there. 549 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:39,800 Ultimately, we will return to the keeper of the gate, and Jesus Christ, the Holy One of 550 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,120 Israel is Jesus Christ. 551 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:48,360 And then we will return to the Father, and because there is no time with them, there's 552 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,120 no hurry. 553 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:57,160 This is all going to happen, and we're going to know them and see them face to face, and 554 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:04,000 all because of the blessings and the keys of the resurrection. 555 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,880 The way this is all orchestrated, the Heavenly Father's plan is just so perfect. 556 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:16,480 We come here, we gain a body, we have a veil, our body, so our memory is not the same, it's 557 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,920 different, and then we get rememberings as we go. 558 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,280 We participate in ordinances, we take upon us His name, we participate in the ordinance 559 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:31,240 of the sacrament as we continually take upon us His name, and the beauty behind all of 560 00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:32,240 that. 561 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:38,040 And it all is available to us because of the events of the atonement of Jesus Christ. 562 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:44,360 I just can't begin to comprehend the scope, Dave, that that has not just in my life, but 563 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,720 what it does have in my life. 564 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,760 The scope that it has in my life is beyond reach. 565 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:55,080 I mean, it is, I don't even begin to comprehend, I don't think the scope, the amount that the 566 00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:00,360 availability of Heavenly Father's love to me, and I'm just so grateful for that. 567 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,720 We look at that, and I think I have in the past, when we think of these things that you're 568 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:08,960 talking about, there have been times in my past when we'd talk about this or with somebody 569 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,760 else to be talking about this and I'd get a little uneasy because I'm not anticipating, 570 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,240 I wasn't looking forward to that date. 571 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:21,280 I was living a life that maybe was contrary to the commandments of, well, it was definitely 572 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,560 contrary to the display of my love to my Heavenly Father, that's for sure, but His love never 573 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:33,000 waned and He still has that same grace and because of the atonement of Jesus Christ, 574 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:38,900 because of what happened in Gethsemane, first of all, His sinless life, then what happened 575 00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:45,200 in Gethsemane, then what happened on the cross, and now the resurrection, and because now, 576 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,360 because of that resurrection, I'll get to go be there with Him again. 577 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,560 I know He, I just anticipate that as being a lot different than I used to think of it 578 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:55,560 as. 579 00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,920 I'm looking forward to that today with some anticipation that's positive, with excitement 580 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,920 to a degree. 581 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:09,480 Well, you said it's so perfect, the plan's so perfect, and it's so personal. 582 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,320 It's so personal, Scott. 583 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,920 You know, again, we're sinners. 584 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:17,920 We're fallen. 585 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,920 We're lost. 586 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,600 We're carnal, sensual, and devilish. 587 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,080 A natural man's an enemy to God. 588 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:30,980 But through the atonement of Jesus Christ, and as we continue our course, in this course, 589 00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:37,120 this podcast, we're going to talk about after the effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ, 590 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:45,560 how we can access the power of Christ through His atonement by repenting, by faith, by all 591 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,560 of that. 592 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,080 And so it is perfect. 593 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,760 It is personal. 594 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:57,920 We should have great—I think that the fact that anyone can look forward to it is in some 595 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,400 ways, again, a sign of a self-judgment. 596 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,040 It may be kind of where you stand in your life. 597 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,160 You're standing before the Lord. 598 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,120 I've always loved these words of Lehi. 599 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:20,080 Just before he dies, this Nephi recording the words of his father, and he's in preparation, 600 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,840 really, for his final days on the earth. 601 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:33,320 And he is giving counsel to his sons and expressing some of his concerns and his love. 602 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:41,240 And he teaches this principle in verse 13 through 15. 603 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:42,760 Maybe we can just read 14 and 15. 604 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:43,760 What book and chapter? 605 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,760 I'm in 2 Nephi chapter 1. 606 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:46,760 Okay. 607 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:47,760 Sorry. 608 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:48,760 Okay. 609 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,200 2 Nephi chapter 1 verses 14 and 15, if you want to read those. 610 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,200 Yeah, I've got that. 611 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,200 You bet. 612 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,960 14 and 15 of 2 Nephi chapter 1. 613 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:03,880 Awake and arise from the dust and hear the words of a trembling parent whose limbs you 614 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,680 must soon lay down in the cold and silent grave. 615 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:15,840 From whence no traveler can return a few more days and I go the way of all the earth. 616 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,440 But behold, the Lord hath redeemed my soul from hell. 617 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:28,440 I have beheld his glory and I am encircled about eternally in the arms of his love. 618 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,440 That's beautiful, isn't it? 619 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:38,040 I mean, I think about that and I can all, I'm almost, even though I do feel that to a degree, 620 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:45,240 but the way that a prophet says that in such a beautiful, in such a beautiful, yeah. 621 00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:46,960 From death and hell. 622 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,600 Yeah, I love that. 623 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,200 From death and hell. 624 00:49:51,200 --> 00:50:01,320 And such a sweet chapter of Father imploring his sons, his family really, to prepare for 625 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,920 death and the resurrection and the judgment. 626 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:06,920 Yeah. 627 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,600 Yeah, that's just great. 628 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:16,640 Well, I'll look forward, Scott, as we move forward to talk in our next episode more about 629 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:25,760 the effects of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, now that we've talked about the events, and 630 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:34,440 to talk about all of the other unconditional conditions that are covered by the Atonement 631 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:42,680 of Jesus Christ and those things that are covered conditionally through our faith, repentance, 632 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,440 and so forth. 633 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:55,560 So that, I think, will be really powerful episodes to prepare us to exercise greater 634 00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:02,160 faith in Jesus Christ and his Atonement, that will have the faith and the power and the 635 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:08,380 motivation really, the desire to repent of our sins. 636 00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:14,200 But all of it begins, Scott, with gratitude. 637 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,920 Gratitude is the beginning of desire. 638 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,000 I believe gratitude is the beginning of faith. 639 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:27,160 I believe that gratitude for the Atonement of Jesus Christ, the events, and as we'll 640 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:33,440 later discuss, the effects of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, gratitude for those events 641 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,080 and effects make all of the difference. 642 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:44,840 We've talked about the events of the Atonement being the sacrifice of a sinless life. 643 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,720 He suffered all temptation. 644 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:48,720 Remember that? 645 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,720 That's twice in the Scriptures. 646 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:56,040 That's in King Benjamin's address, and it's in Hebrews. 647 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,280 He suffered all temptation. 648 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:08,280 He made a huge sacrifice, and it wasn't easy for him to remain sinless and not give heed 649 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:18,880 to those temptations that he was bombarded with personally by Satan himself. 650 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:25,040 We're so grateful for that event as being part of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 651 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:33,280 We're grateful for Gethsemane and all of what that means and what happened in the Garden 652 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,080 of Gethsemane. 653 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:43,920 We should appreciate more than ever what happened on the cross and the events between the Garden 654 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:51,600 of Gethsemane and then Gethsemane, the pains of Gethsemane, all being pressed upon him 655 00:52:51,600 --> 00:53:00,560 again intensified on the cross, the last three hours on the cross from 12 noon until 3 pm. 656 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,080 And then he dies. 657 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:10,920 So the cross is the third event of the Atonement of Jesus Christ and all he suffered there. 658 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:16,800 And then the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. 659 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:23,120 And I guess my favorite story to maybe end on this is the story that is told about the 660 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:31,360 Sunday School teacher, Scott, who is teaching a class on Easter and she brings these plastic 661 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,360 eggs. 662 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:38,800 And I think it was the little boy named Kelly who had Down syndrome. 663 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:44,480 And all of these children, including Kelly with his teacher, went out to get something 664 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:53,160 around the church, a rock, some glass, a flower, something that would remind them of Easter. 665 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,880 So they all went out and gathered something and came back and opened up their eggs one 666 00:53:58,880 --> 00:53:59,880 by one. 667 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:04,360 And when it was Kelly's turn, he opened the egg and it was empty. 668 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:10,880 And the teacher says, Oh, how does that remind you of Easter, Kelly? 669 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:18,200 And he said, The tomb is empty. 670 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,160 I know the tomb is empty, Scott. 671 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,760 I know Christ lives. 672 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,440 I know he lives physically. 673 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,680 He lives. 674 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,720 He's not a spirit. 675 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:34,760 He's not an essence. 676 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,320 He's not a thought. 677 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,040 He is real. 678 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,480 If we could see him and be with him, we could touch him. 679 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:45,960 We could feel him. 680 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:55,920 He chooses to keep the prints from the cross to remind us of what he suffered for us. 681 00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:07,440 But now he has gone on and become perfected and is that now he is glorious, a living, 682 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:18,280 glorious being who loves us and is anxious for us to be reunited as heirs, as heirs with 683 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,640 Christ to all that the Father has. 684 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,640 I know that's true. 685 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,600 The tomb is empty. 686 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:40,400 And in a sense, Scott, we can say all tombs, all the mortal earthly tombs will be emptied 687 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:48,160 because of the blessings and the reality of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 688 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,600 Thanks, Dave. 689 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:55,000 You talked about again, and you know, we often refer back to the experience that you had 690 00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:00,320 when you were taught and now we've all been taught that gratitude is really the beginning 691 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,600 of desire. 692 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,720 And you said, but I believe that gratitude is the beginning of faith too. 693 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:10,560 And I think that we can extend that to hope and love, right? 694 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:17,240 I know that gratitude, my gratitude for the resurrection, for the entire atonement of 695 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:22,760 Jesus Christ and the power from him that comes to me from that administered to me by the 696 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,920 Spirit of the Holy Ghost. 697 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,360 But I know that that gives me great hope and it lets me feel a deeper love and it expands 698 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,680 my love too. 699 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,840 Not just lets me feel a deeper love, but it expands my love for others. 700 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:43,560 I see, I see my own nature change as I grasp these things, as I make them a part of my 701 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:44,560 life. 702 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:49,760 I love that we often refer to the scripture in Doctrine and Covenants, section 6, verses 703 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,080 36 and 37. 704 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,080 You did already today again. 705 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,480 Look unto me in every thought, doubt not, fear not. 706 00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:01,040 And that would be, I think, a desire that most of us would have to have no doubt and 707 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,040 have no fear. 708 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:07,520 I know doubt and fear so easily beset all of us and can sometimes consume us and be 709 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,760 so difficult as part of this earthly experience. 710 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:18,160 But he gives it, he doesn't just say, he doesn't just tell us to quit having doubt and to quit 711 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,760 having fear, but he gives us the anecdote to that, right? 712 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:28,120 He says, Behold the wounds which pierce my side, and also the prints of the nails of 713 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,840 my hands and my feet, and be faithful. 714 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:36,480 Keep my commandments and ye shall inherit the kingdom of heaven. 715 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,640 Inherit the kingdom of heaven, not just come here to live, but inherit the kingdom of heaven. 716 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:41,640 I just love. 717 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,200 So when he says look unto me. 718 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,720 Yeah, where is he? 719 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,820 And that's the question we pose, you know? 720 00:57:47,820 --> 00:57:52,440 When he says look unto me, where is he inviting us to look? 721 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,520 When he says come unto me, where is he inviting us to come? 722 00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:03,680 Well, he gives us the answer to that also in the words also that I just read. 723 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,720 There's so much texture in what's being said here. 724 00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,160 Behold the wounds which pierce my side, and also the prints of the nails of my hands and 725 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,160 my feet. 726 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,300 He's inviting us to come to Gethsemane. 727 00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:20,240 He's inviting us first of all to witness and have a testimony of his sinless life, and 728 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,160 then go with him to Gethsemane, and then to experience all that he experienced between 729 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:33,800 Gethsemane and the cross, and then to experience the horror on the cross, even at the point 730 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,920 where his heavenly father forsake him. 731 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:44,040 And then he invites us to come to the resurrection, and like Kelly, and like Kelly, acknowledge 732 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:51,040 the empty tomb, and give hope to us for that empty tomb in our own lives. 733 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:57,880 May we, you know, I think we can metaphorically begin to create empty tombs in our lives now, 734 00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:58,880 right? 735 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,200 I think that we can, because of the atonement of Jesus Christ, we can resurrect those things 736 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:08,320 in our lives that maybe haven't been up to where we would like them to be, that would 737 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,060 give us a greater hope, that would show a deeper devotion, that would bring us and draw 738 00:59:12,060 --> 00:59:14,160 us closer to our heavenly father. 739 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,400 I think that we can also, through the atonement of Jesus Christ, have that hope. 740 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,920 Well, thank you, Scott. 741 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:25,880 And that scripture again, look unto me in every thought, behold the wounds. 742 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:32,360 It's just so, the irony that he chose to remain scarred. 743 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:44,240 We have a scarred savior, so that when we are resurrected, there will be no scars. 744 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:58,280 He chose to keep those emblems, signs, symbolic of the suffering of his atoning, redeeming 745 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:07,920 his voice, so that there would be, for us, no emotional scars, no physical scars, that 746 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:13,680 we would be redeemed in every way. 747 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:19,600 And I have hope, or in other words, great assurance. 748 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,920 And anticipation. 749 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,920 That that will be true. 750 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,840 And indeed it will. 751 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,400 We're grateful for your being here with us today. 752 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:34,400 We invite you to share this with those that you love, or those that you feel like might 753 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,400 be benefited. 754 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:41,420 Also, we extended an invitation a while ago to maybe send us your experiences that you 755 01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:42,600 have had. 756 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,400 Just write them out with the atonement of Jesus Christ in your own life. 757 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:52,160 And you can send those to us at our email address, heredeemsus.gmail.com. 758 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,380 Thanks for being with us today. 759 01:00:53,380 --> 01:00:54,380 May God bless you. 760 01:00:54,380 --> 01:00:57,240 May you feel his love as we approach this Easter season. 761 01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,920 And may our preparation be adequate, that we may have his spirit to always be with us 762 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:02,920 is our prayer. 763 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:03,920 Thanks for being with us. 764 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:24,960 God bless you.