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Well, hey there everybody and welcome back another great podcast today.

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My name is Scott Durfey joined as always by Dave.

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Hey, hi everybody.

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Hope you're doing well.

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Listen, gang, we have just an amazing experience in store for us again today.

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We've had a couple of great interviews over the last little while.

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This one is sure to be right in line with those as well.

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We have Doug and Emily Page with us today, great friends of Dave's for a very long time.

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Yeah, neighbors.

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I got to know these two on a church history trip that was led by David Durfee as well.

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That was fun.

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That was an amazing trip just a couple of summers ago.

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Deb and I were there and got to meet Doug and Emily among others that have become lifelong,

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eternal hopefully friends with us as well.

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Doug and Emily have quite the story that I think that can be relatable to maybe everybody

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on some level at least and to many, many others on a very, very deep level.

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With that, I think it's probably best if we just dive right into it.

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To do that today though, we're going to have Dave facilitate a lot of the questioning and

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conversations.

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Questioning is probably not the right word.

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That sounds quite legal, doesn't it?

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But we're going to have Dave take us through the conversation where we get to at least

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have the spirit bear witness to us, the power that can be had through the atonement of Jesus

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Christ and sometimes some of our darkest tragedies.

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So with that, Dave, I'm going to let you go ahead and take it.

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Let's get Emily and Doug introduced a little bit and then we'll go from there.

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Scott, we've been talking the last few weeks about the effects of the fall and I think

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we tried to make the point that there are two major negatives of the fall, physical

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death and spiritual death.

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Spiritual death, of course, is the separation of the body from the spirit and spiritual

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death is a separation from righteousness or separation from God and the result of sinning.

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Well today, we have an opportunity to have two really dear, close friends who I really

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love and cherish and they are here to share their story with us about the effects of the

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fall and the blessings of the atonement of Jesus Christ, which they have experienced

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in the loss of their son.

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And I'm really thankful that Doug and Emily could be with us and hope that our listeners

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will be able to feel the spirit.

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I know they will as they listen to this couple share not only the sicknesses and the sufferings

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that they've been through, but how they know that Christ has covered them in their pains,

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in their sicknesses and sorrows.

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So grateful that they're with us today.

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Okay, say hi, Doug.

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Hi, Doug.

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And Emily?

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Hi, thank you for having me.

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Thank you for having us.

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We're grateful to be here.

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Oh, sweet to have you.

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Yes, we are.

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It's going to be a sweet experience, I think.

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Yeah, thank you so much for being here.

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So I've loved Doug and Emily for almost as long as I moved back here from Minnesota and

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knew them shortly after we moved and watched them have their first child.

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I mean, he was born where you live right now, right?

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Yeah, true.

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And from a baby and watched him grow and develop and sweet, cutest personality and was loved

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by everybody so much in the ward.

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And let's see, you first found out that Wyatt had cancer when he was how old?

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He was 10.

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10 years old.

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And so let's just jump into this, Doug and Emily and talk about how it all started and

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how you found out and then just kind of take us through that.

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Okay, Emily?

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Perfect.

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Well, I think we'd kind of start by just talking about Wyatt in general.

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So he was a typical just kid loved growing up.

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He was very easy to raise.

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He was a pretty easy kid in general and just loved spending time outside, loved the water.

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Growing up when he was young, we used to get a group of friends that would go and we'd

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walk in the morning in the neighborhood and we'd invite friends over and do like slip

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and slides and like a pool party in our backyard.

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And we'd take the kids to the park or go up to the splash pad in Highland and get some

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lunch after and just have like picnics and everything.

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And our most recent memories are the ones that we hold dear.

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But he just he grew into he loved the Utah Jazz and knew all the players and would love

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to go to the games and he loved BYU with the football team.

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And he loved anything Star Wars.

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He loved the Star Wars movies.

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We got him hooked and spending time outside.

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He loved to ride his bikes, hang out with friends.

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He would ride the bus to school.

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His favorite subjects in school were math and science and art.

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Did he have brothers and sisters?

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He was actually our only child.

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Well, I remember him in sacrament meeting.

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You know, I have this picture galvanized in my mind of him in sacrament meeting, sitting

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between two of you, his head on one of your shoulders.

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This I mean, he was you could just tell that this loving this loving child who was so loved

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and endeared by his parents.

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And I just, you know, I'll never forget that picture of seeing the three of you together

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in kind of three peas in a pod.

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And that's a sweet picture that I'll always cherish.

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Well, and just to maybe add a little perspective to work.

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So we're here in our opulent studio in the basement of my home.

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And you know, Doug is wearing a BYU shirt that says we love Wyatt, we're the why for BYU

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in Wyatt is a big and Emily's wearing a BYU shirt.

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That's pretty at any time that I have had the opportunity to be around these two, it

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seems like there's always something and I love this.

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There's always something.

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There's a constant 24 hour a day honoring of this young man.

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Which we try to fit in all the time, but but yeah, no, he's so why it is the Wyatt.

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He was just a happy go lucky kid and just he would light up a room whenever he was there.

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And he was a fun loving kid.

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I mean, he just he loved to be outside and he loved swimming.

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He loved he loved playing sports, any sport, golfing, mini golfing, bowling, watching swing

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golf club.

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The swing that he had golfing was just amazing as a kid of his age.

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He took his deacon responsibilities very seriously.

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Yes, he want he didn't want to miss church.

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He wanted to.

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He was there every Sunday and timing wise, he was one of the first wave of 11 year olds.

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To receive the priesthood when that when that blessing that was.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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As it turned out.

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Yep.

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And and and he was born that way.

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Right.

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You guys.

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I mean, I mean, really, he was just always born that way.

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He was a good kid from the get go.

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And and just.

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Powerful, powerful spirit.

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Just happy.

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Happy.

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Not much light.

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Not much would get him down at all.

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Always always seemed to be full of joy and fun loving.

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After he was diagnosed.

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And you tell us about that.

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But this seems to be a place to interject this is that when he lost all of his hair,

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it was an amazing tribute that all of the deacons shaved their heads.

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One of the right.

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It was well, and including some of us older folks.

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He went through several surgeries where they would just shave where they were going to

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do the incision.

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And one of his last surgeries where they had to undergo some major, major work on a scalp.

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They had to shave his head.

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And that was the first time that they had had to have done that.

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He had lost hair through radiation and things like that.

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But this is the first time he had to completely have a bald head.

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And we just put it out there, you know, jokingly saying, hey, if anybody wants to join in,

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and giving Wyatt a little support, we're going to have a, we're going to shave our heads.

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And so he cut my hair.

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We started with the grandpa cut.

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So we went right here just above the ears all the way around.

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And we got some good pictures there.

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So I know what I look like in another 20 years.

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And then shaved the rest of my head he did.

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And deacons, teachers, priests.

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Yeah, members.

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Leaders.

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Remember that Sunday everybody was bald.

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And with the youth activity that night.

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And so some of the young women were shaving the heads of the young men.

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So it was quite the experience.

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He was really loved.

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We were all cold for quite a few weeks until started stuff growing back.

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Well, this would probably be a good time to then start talking about what happened.

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When did he start getting sick?

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So he was in the school play at the time.

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And so they were practicing getting ready for the play.

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Well, actually, so he had, he had auditions and found out in December that he made the

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school play in fifth grade.

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So he was 10 at the time.

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He was, he was 10.

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So this was, they, they were going to start having practices at the beginning of the

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year after the school break and everything.

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And so starting in January, February ish and everything.

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They were going to start doing practices and everything.

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And he started getting headaches and we're like, oh, well, maybe, maybe this is in March.

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So this had been, you know, first, first week or so of March started getting headaches without,

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well, maybe it's allergies.

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Things had popped a little early that spring.

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And maybe, you know, we thought didn't think a whole lot of it, but those had been going

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on for about six weeks.

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And then I think we also found out he was having a hard time seeing the board at school

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and went and had his eyes checked.

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We had checked him fourth grade.

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He had vision was great.

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And then when fifth grade came around and he was having, once he mentioned he was having

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a hard time seeing the board, we're like, okay, let's go check your eyes.

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And it turns out he needed glasses and got his glasses.

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He had them on for about two days and he's like...

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And then he came to us.

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The headaches had gone away and then he came to us.

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So I think that was on a Monday.

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On a Wednesday, he'd come to us and says, I'm seeing things double.

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I'm like, what do you mean double?

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And he says, you know, side to side, up and down.

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And he says, well, I just see things double.

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And so we made an appointment with our family physician, which would have been Friday.

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So Wednesday we had a couple of days to wait, went in and we started blood work, you know,

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doing some tests, see what's going on.

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And then the doctor says, well, we'll schedule next week to do a CT scan just to see what's

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going on.

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And we're like, okay.

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So we did that on Friday.

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And he wasn't acting himself that week.

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He's usually up and going and bounding around and his energy was gone.

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And so that was Friday.

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Saturday he came to us and said, mid-afternoon.

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He says, things are getting worse as far as the vision.

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Things are getting worse.

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And so we texted our doctor, which is a family friend, and said, this is what's going on.

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He says, you need to get him up to primary.

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Take him up.

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They'll have answers for us in a couple hours of what's going on instead of waiting clear

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into next week.

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That'd be primary children's hospital in Salt Lake City.

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And so we said, okay.

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So we started the drive.

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Emily's mom and dad were flying back at that particular time from a family trip with Emily's

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sister and her family in Palm Springs.

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So they were on their way back.

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And we texted them and just told them what was going on.

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I said, we're taking Wyatt to the ER.

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We're not sure what's going on.

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If you want to come and meet us, you're happy to come and meet us.

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So we got there.

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And with the symptoms he was having, this is where dad steps in and you start Google

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searching symptoms and you freak yourself out.

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But I kind of had an inkling.

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I knew what was going on when we got to the hospital and got him checked in and Emily's

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mom and dad met us.

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And they'd gone back and done a CT scan, quick two minute CT scan on him.

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It was about 10 o'clock and we're like, oh, well, we'll be back in 20 minutes or whatever

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I'm talking to you about.

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And two hours go by and they still haven't come back in the room.

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And so Emily stepped out in the hall and just say, hey, what's kind of going on?

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And ran into the attending ER physician and he says, well, we're going to be right in.

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And at this point, Wyatt's asleep on the gurney in the small little emergency room.

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And the physician comes in and pulls up the CT scan.

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It's very grainy, but it clearly shows that there's a mass in Wyatt's head.

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In that two hours that we were sitting there waiting, they had already contacted neuro

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trauma and set up a neuro team for surgery the next day.

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They had set up a two hour MRI of his full head and spine to see what we were facing.

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At that point when Wyatt was sent back, Emily, we had reached out to our families and let

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him know, hey, look, something's happening.

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We're not quite sure what, but it's the size of a tennis ball and a 10 year old's head.

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And Emily had gotten the car to go home and grab some stuff that we would need that next

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day.

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So this was, we were now into the early morning hours of Sunday.

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And I think with part of that is like once we found out there was a mass in Wyatt was

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asleep, that was the hardest thing is we had to wake him up.

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Because he was like, he was ready to go home and we're like, sorry, you have to stay.

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And of course he broke down because he didn't want to stay in the hospital.

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We then had, we had all of two minutes once the doctor came in and told us he had a mass

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of what was going on.

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We had to wake him up and had two minutes to explain to him what was going on.

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And he broke down, of course.

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And then somebody was right there to start an IV and take them off to the MRI.

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And you know, we didn't have all that time.

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I have a lot of time.

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And of course the doctor at the time was like, well, you guys are handling this well.

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I'm like, we don't have time to sit here and like, you know, do anything else.

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But yeah, so we, why put on a brave face.

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And once we told him that he had his moment of breaking down for a little bit, then he's

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like, okay, you know, and that was it.

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So you, you go home, Emily, and when she goes home, what do you do?

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Doug?

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So I'm exhausted.

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And I ask one of the nurses if there's a spot I can go to go try and get a little bit of

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sleep.

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Cause I know it's going to be about two hours.

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This is one or two in the morning.

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It's going to be three or four before Wyatt's back.

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If I could just get an hour, hour and a half sleep, it'd be great.

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She takes me back to a pod there in primary children's that's not being used.

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So it's dark and there's no one around.

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And I go into this little room and begin to plead with our father in heaven for Wyatt's

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life, for Wyatt's life.

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At that moment when you're in such a dark place, you have a choice to either get completely

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uncontrollably mad at the world, at God, at everything, or you have a choice to try and

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let it go.

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And I knew I couldn't get mad because it would just be a never ending pit of misery for me.

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And I said, you know, I need to, I need to let, I need to let the Bishop know.

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I need to let my priesthood leader know what's going on.

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And I texted our Bishop at the time and let him know what we were facing and that we didn't

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really have a lot of information, but we did know something was amiss and that we would

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let him know when we knew more information.

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And at that very moment I felt peace.

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I says, I've got, I've done what I can do.

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I need help for my priesthood leaders.

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I need help for my father in heaven.

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I need help and starting that process with our Bishop was the beginning of that.

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And our Bishop was kind enough once he found out, because it was early in the morning,

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that Sunday I think he actually made an announcement over the pulpit and just said, Hey, one of

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our youth, you know, was in the hospital and made an announcement over the pulpit and just

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said if you could faster pray for him because he'll be going in for surgery.

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And he was kind enough to let people know.

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Luckily with our journey, we decided to share it publicly, you know, because it was easier

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than trying to text or text every single person.

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So we did do ours publicly.

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But with mine, as I was driving home though, I just, you know, of course, once it sinks

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in, you know, I had a good cry on the way home, you know, because you're like, Oh great,

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this is my son.

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How could this be happening?

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You know, you have questions, but then, you know, you have your good meltdown.

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And then after that, you're just like, okay, we got this.

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And we, then you go from there and just hope, hope, hope and pray for the best.

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And well, I think this is a, this is so interesting.

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And our little talk before we started Doug, this, this point, you come to this point in

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your, in your experience where you have to make a choice.

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And you knew that you, you were thinking this consciously.

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I met a crossroads and I have to make a choice and I can either go this way and be angry

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and mad, which will take me in a, in a, in a fast lane to wherever, or I have to go this

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way and I want to involve the priesthood and the church in this process.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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And that made all the difference.

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It made all the difference.

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I needed comfort and the, the only way to get comfort was not getting angry.

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That's not how we get comfort in our lives.

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How we get comfort is to, to ask for our heavenly father's help.

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And then after that, what happened?

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So Wyatt had undergone his, to our MRI and had come back to, to the ER and they took

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us up to a neurotrauma, which is its own little wing on second, third floor.

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And started him on a steroid to help with inflammation.

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Cause his, his tumor at that point was pushing on his optic nerve.

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It's kind of, you figure it's in the back upper left part of your head and it was right

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below the scalp, the skull, and it was growing towards the middle of his brain.

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And so we were, we were up there and started him on, on medications to try and help.

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And, and then we went to sleep and early that next morning, the neurosurgeon came in and

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he, he pulled up the high resolution MRI at that point and we showed Wyatt and you know,

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they had scheduled surgery for that, that next day, which would now be Monday, you know,

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nine, 10 in the morning for, for them to go in and remove this tennis ball sized tumor

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that that's now and why it's yet.

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That was an interesting experience as well, waiting down in the ER waiting room or the

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operating waiting room, you know, for him to come back.

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But in the interim between, you know, early Sunday morning, dozens and dozens of people

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text and offer support from the ward and family and, and people wanting to come visit.

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And, you know, offer their condolences, their help, their, you know, you get in that moment

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and you just don't know what to do.

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Right.

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Other than just offer your help, friendship, support.

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And luckily our, our Bishop and his wife actually came to visit and actually check in on Wyatt

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and everything in the primary, it made notes and stuff.

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But what was nice is that they came and they offered to give both of us the, he offered

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to give us both a priesthood blessing, which I think that helped bring a lot of peace and

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comfort as well while we're, while we're waiting.

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So I think that's that helped from the get go was just him coming and offering.

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Yeah.

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Cause at that point, even though you feel a little bit of peace, you don't feel as anxious

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about the situation, there's still fear.

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There's still unknowns of what's going to take place.

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And they thought the surgery was successful to whatever degree they could think that.

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Yes.

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They thought they got it all.

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It went well.

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You were optimistic.

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Yep.

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We, we continued to hold on to hope at that point, you know, the location of his tumor,

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they didn't feel would be detrimental to, to him, to his physical abilities, to his

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faculties.

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And that's what it turned out to be.

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To look at him after that surgery, after removing that large of a tumor to look at him, you

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wouldn't know anything had even happened.

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So, so we, we went through that and we said, well, we had meetings set with Huntsman cancer

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to start a treatment plan, which for his type of cancer, which at the end of the day was

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called supratentorial anaplastic appendomoma was mostly, really only treatments were radiation,

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surgery and radiation.

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Chemo at that time was not proven effective for his type of cancer.

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And we did a follow-up MRI.

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Yeah.

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We did six weeks.

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We requested a follow-up MRI just to make sure.

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I think we just, for peace of mind, we just requested a follow-up MRI and it turns out

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he had a new spot and part of the old tumor area had also started to grow.

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So we underwent that second surgery and Wyatt was able to finish the play.

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And the very next morning we were on a plane to Seattle.

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This was in May.

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May of 2018.

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2018.

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We were on our way to Seattle for 33 rounds of radiation and we ended up spending 55, 56

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days in Seattle for how many 33 rounds of radiation, 33 rounds.

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And after that you felt optimistic.

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We were very optimistic and, and everything looked good.

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We got back home, scans were clear until March of 2019.

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And now he's 11?

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And now he is 11.

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And he's a deacon and?

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Yep.

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Just got the priesthood.

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So he got the priesthood in January.

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And we were able to go to the temple with him for the first time and do baptisms.

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And then he wasn't feeling good in March.

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It was almost exactly one year to the day.

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He ended up having like the flu.

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He had a fever, chills and everything.

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We took him to our family doctor and while he was at the doctor's office, he ended up

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having a seizure and it was weird.

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I mean, he was just laying on the table, staring off, just pointing at things.

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I'm like, what is going on?

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Drooling.

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It was, it was just weird.

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And so I got him, sat up, stood up, sat him on a chair, grabbed a nurse and said, Hey,

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can I get your help?

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And she kind of looked at him and immediately called the doctor.

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And he'd been on the phone waiting for somebody and immediately came in.

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And so his hands shook a little bit, but it wasn't your typical seizure.

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So he had a seizure.

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They took off his sweatshirt, got him cooled off, got him some Tylenol.

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And so he started asking questions of like, you know, do you know where you're at?

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Do you know who the president was?

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And of course it was Trump at the time and white knew that knew that.

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And then the doctor asked, he then pointed to me, he's like, do you know who this is?

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He's like, my wife, you know, he, he didn't know who I was.

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He knew I was somehow, somehow related to him, but yeah, he, he wasn't sure who I was.

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Well, but that, that, that, uh, that absence seizure as we come to find out what it was,

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that sent us over to the hospital again for another CT scan.

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And that ultimately the following week led us to find out that he had reoccurred.

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So this time it was about the size of a quarter, kind of all in the same area.

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And this was just before spring break.

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And we had already scheduled a family trip to Seattle, back to Seattle.

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We asked Wyatt where he wants to go.

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And he wanted to go back to visit his friends in Seattle that we had made toward members

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up there.

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So we underwent a third five hour surgery just after spring break with that reoccurrence.

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His prognosis, um, you know, was a 50, 50 shot at that point that he would be with us

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in five years.

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And with that trip, he, we had come back early because my uncle had passed away and you know,

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with an, with an 11 year old, he's, you know, he would ask questions.

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Like I think once he reoccurred in another surgery, he, he got concerned and was like,

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well, am I going to die from this?

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And like the possibly that's there, but we're going to do everything we can.

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So you don't, you know, you don't at this point.

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But when we came back for my uncle's funeral and everything, he started asking questions

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of like, well, you know, once you die, do you think we can come back?

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The person, you know, he's like, he's like, do you think you can see your funeral?

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And I'm like, well, are you thinking of uncle Scott?

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I said, I'm sure you could see what's going on and see who's there and everything.

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And I said, are you thinking of uncle Scott?

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He's like, no, I'm thinking of my own.

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So he was already thinking of his funeral at this point and which, which we weren't

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trying to think that, but I think he had already had inklings.

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I think he'd already probably had visits, maybe spirit preparing and preparing him.

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And this, this was April of 2019, everything.

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We still were hopeful.

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I mean, even 50 50 is still, you know, it's still a possibility that he could beat the

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odds.

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Yeah.

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And then you end up at St. Jude's.

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So we were able to be accepted into a trial program there where they re-irradiated using

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the same type of radiation.

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And they had one of those proton machines there.

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So why in Memphis, in Memphis, Tennessee.

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So Wyatt and Emily traveled out there for six weeks.

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I was able to join them for the last week.

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We got home from, from that in third of July of 2019.

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And he, he really struggled with being at St. Jude's.

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He kept on telling me he, he didn't want to be there, you know, and I would tell him,

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well, we don't have to be here.

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We could leave any time, but, and he would have some pretty good meltdowns and stuff

471
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:41,200
just because he kept on saying, I don't want to be here and come to find out later.

472
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,280
It was just, he didn't want to be in the cancer brought again.

473
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,880
You know, he, once we figured out what was going on or what he meant, we're like, yeah,

474
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,880
we get that.

475
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,520
And he, he was struggling really hard.

476
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,160
The once we went to St. Jude's because I would call him the dog a few times and just be like,

477
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,680
look, I need you to talk to him because he, he was having a hard time and I couldn't get

478
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,080
him to calm down sometimes.

479
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,080
So,

480
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:11,280
so we got home and six weeks after we got home, long story short, we found out that

481
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,760
it had reoccurred again.

482
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,360
And this time it had metastasized, it had moved.

483
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,240
And in normal situations with his type cancer, it doesn't move.

484
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:26,240
It stays in the same spot, but come to find out it had the, the cancer had followed one

485
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,880
of the drains that he had during surgery.

486
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:37,120
And when we pulled the drain, it followed the drain out and was now outside of his skull

487
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:43,960
and, and caused, you know, tumors on the outside now.

488
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,160
And we're like, okay, we can take care of that.

489
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:53,560
He did another surgery to remove a spot that was outside at that point that had gone from

490
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,320
the size of a pea to the size of a golf ball in a matter of a couple of weeks.

491
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Why it's going through some really tough stuff for a, for a young kid.

492
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,520
I mean, I can't even imagine the feelings he must be having.

493
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,000
I can't imagine what he would think about at night as he tried to go to sleep.

494
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,320
I can't imagine what he would think about when he consider his friends or his future

495
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,480
or any of those things.

496
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,040
But what about mom and dad?

497
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,040
We're dying inside.

498
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,040
Yeah.

499
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,760
I think with that, the hardest part is, you know, because we are his parents, we're supposed

500
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,240
to be able to fix anything.

501
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,240
Right.

502
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:32,120
And I think, you know, me naturally, I tried to stay on the positive side of things, but

503
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,000
at the same time, it rips your heart apart because you're like, I should be able to fix

504
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,040
this, you know, or you want a certain outcome of like, oh yeah, you could beat the odds

505
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,040
of this.

506
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,160
And you know, we're there to love and support him.

507
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,600
And of course he'd have questions and concerns and he didn't want to be known for his cancer

508
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,960
and he didn't want to talk about it.

509
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,960
Yeah.

510
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,960
Well, and he's our only child.

511
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,960
Yeah.

512
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,960
What were some of your fears?

513
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,800
He's the last of the page name.

514
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Yeah.

515
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:04,600
And as a dad, you know, you, as parents, we want the next generation to have a little

516
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,600
better than we did.

517
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,760
And so that was our life.

518
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,920
That was what we were focused on.

519
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:16,160
Getting him a good education, getting things set up where he could serve a mission financially,

520
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,960
you know, all that kind of stuff.

521
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,320
College, whatever, trying to help the next generation have it a little bit better than

522
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,320
us.

523
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,320
You were planning a life.

524
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,320
We were planning a life.

525
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,120
And, and that was all kind of put on hold.

526
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:36,360
As parents, it's that, that was the hardest part is just not being able to fix it.

527
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:43,640
And, and, and the unknown and, you know, preparing for the what ifs.

528
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,640
That's the hard part.

529
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,640
Yeah.

530
00:33:45,640 --> 00:34:00,440
So, um, it was about, well, he, he passed away on January 14th, uh, 2020 and, um, that

531
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:09,600
last holiday you had with him, uh, about those unknowns and what ifs and the, it was inevitable.

532
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,600
Right?

533
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,640
I mean, it was, we found out in October that it was terminal.

534
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,640
Yeah.

535
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:21,720
Um, when we were trying to do a, another biopsy to see exactly what was going on inside and,

536
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:24,760
and it came back that it was terminal.

537
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:33,400
And that was, that was very difficult telling him, look, we're here to fight with you until

538
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,360
we can't fight anymore.

539
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:43,480
And right now the fight's over for that, but the fight is now on.

540
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:49,160
We need to change the focus of the fight and the focus now needs to be memories and time

541
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,200
together.

542
00:34:51,200 --> 00:35:00,400
And um, once we, once we did that, I mean, he would, he would take long, long hot showers

543
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,720
and he would sit and think.

544
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:12,000
And one time I remember, um, I think he came to Emily and he asked, how do I get the Melchizedek

545
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,120
priesthood when I, when I pass on?

546
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,080
And just Florida's, right?

547
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,320
There isn't a single Sunday school or priesthood lesson out there that talks about that age

548
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:29,240
group getting Melchizedek priesthood in this particular situation.

549
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:35,080
So he's, he's obviously thinking way older than what he is.

550
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:40,880
And he's being prepared for what's about to happen to him.

551
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,540
And so we had those discussions.

552
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:49,080
We started to have those, um, you know, when he passes a year later, we'd be able to do

553
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:55,520
his temple work and I'd be able to go through the temple and, and do his ordinances that

554
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,360
he needs on the other side.

555
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:05,600
And as that turned out, we were able to, to do those a month later after he passed.

556
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:14,440
And, and invited many, many of the ward members to come and, and be part of that.

557
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:21,360
And other questions that he had, um, like how old am I going to be on the other side?

558
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,160
What am I going to be doing?

559
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,640
How long before you and mom are there?

560
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,000
You know?

561
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:34,520
And so we got out the topical guide and we went through what, um, you know, what, what

562
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:41,680
the spirit world's like, what goes on there, what he will probably be doing there.

563
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:49,320
Um, those types of conversations that we as adults don't even like having together, let

564
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,400
alone discussing it with your 12 year old son.

565
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:59,120
Um, so way, way advanced for his, his age.

566
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,680
Life changing, right?

567
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Life changing.

568
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,080
And it was interesting because it was October that we found out was terminal and he had

569
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,200
a huge, we found out he had a huge tumor at the base of his brain.

570
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:13,760
And they're like, that's when, when we found out in October, they gave us one month.

571
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,680
And they're like, if you do nothing, you have one month with them.

572
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,720
And of course, why it's big is concern at the time was seeing the last Star Wars movie,

573
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:20,720
which came out in December.

574
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:23,400
And he's like, but what about the Star Wars movie?

575
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:30,760
I'm like, and we ahead of time over the summer had, had already booked a theater for 95 people

576
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,120
to come watch that with us, like December 23rd, something like that.

577
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,100
So that was his big, that was his biggest concern.

578
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:39,720
So we did go back to Huntsman.

579
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:43,520
They gave us a couple options, do nothing and you'll have about a month.

580
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,320
You could do a condensed version to get two or three, two, two to four months, or you

581
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,520
could do another full six weeks.

582
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,720
And of course, why it chose the condensed, which would buy two to four months.

583
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:58,280
But I think in his mind, he was getting four to six months.

584
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:04,160
But and throughout this journey, we found because of the kindness and generosity of

585
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,600
others, we were able to do have opportunities to do things that we wouldn't have otherwise.

586
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,160
We've met people we wouldn't have met otherwise.

587
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,880
And the crazy thing we say, this is like, we wouldn't trade it again for anything.

588
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,720
If we had to do it again, we would do it again in the heartbeat.

589
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,880
He got to do stuff with BYU.

590
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:28,080
They did a deep blue hero segment on him and got a Donovan Mitchell shoe autographed and

591
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:37,120
got involved with the BYU football team and all of that, which is all, which is all.

592
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,960
I don't know how you would describe that.

593
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:46,960
I guess kind of a sweet thing for him and to get his mind off of things and for us,

594
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,120
it built memories and for you, it built memories.

595
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,120
Yeah.

596
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:56,320
And he passed away on January 14th, two years ago.

597
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,520
Yeah, it'll be coming up this Saturday, three years ago.

598
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,160
Three years ago this Saturday.

599
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,920
So ultimately through Wyatt's experience, he underwent five surgeries, 96 rounds of

600
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:18,560
radiation, which from a perspective of background radiation, if me and you go get x-rays on

601
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:24,440
our teeth every six months or whatever and just live life, the amount of radiation that

602
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:34,160
he was exposed to was about 73,000 years worth, but never wanted to be defined by it.

603
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,720
He wouldn't talk a lot about it.

604
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:43,800
We only know of two times that he broke down in English over the situation and we were

605
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,480
not present for one of them.

606
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,800
It happened at school.

607
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:56,840
The other one was during the filming of the Deep Blue segment for BYUtv.

608
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,940
But just even up until the last day, he was thinking of others.

609
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:10,080
He was thinking of things that would bring him comfort and things to bring other kids

610
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,320
going through the same thing, comfort.

611
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,520
Emily and Wyatt, Wyatt decided we wanted to give back to other kids and so it started

612
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,680
out doing five bundles for boys and five bundles for girls.

613
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:31,760
And then these bundles was a blanket pillowcase, comfy socks, fuzzy socks or a beanie.

614
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,880
Later on he added toys to that same bundle so the kids would be comfortable and have

615
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,700
something to do.

616
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:40,040
His big push was the beanie.

617
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,680
He would tie blankets and actually sew the pillowcases and we had a friend of ours that

618
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,040
actually wanted to put these bundles together for the amount of radiation treatments he

619
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,040
had done.

620
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,040
At the time it was 73.

621
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,480
So she collected the supplies and money and donations and was going to give that to me

622
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,480
to have something to do once he passed away.

623
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,520
But she had so much help and donations that she was able to collect supplies for everything

624
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,520
beforehand.

625
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:07,320
That's kind of where the idea came from.

626
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,160
In true Wyatt fashion, he was concerned because he knew he was our only child and he would

627
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,400
ask those questions like, do you feel bad not having other kids?

628
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,240
What are you going to do with your time?

629
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,840
He was worried about what I was going to do because to me, I'm mom and that was my job

630
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,680
was to take care of him.

631
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,080
So he was worried about what I was going to do.

632
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,960
So I said, I'm going to be making bundles.

633
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,360
And so we had told that we were going to start a foundation to get back.

634
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:40,440
But I mean, for him to be concerned about me and what I was going to do because he knew

635
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,260
that that was my job was to take care of him.

636
00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:48,000
So that's why it makes it heartbreaking is because we want to fix everything and just

637
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,560
take it away.

638
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,880
So before he passed, you gave away how many bundles?

639
00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,320
We were able to deliver a hundred and six to primary children.

640
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,120
And since he passed, we just passed five thousand.

641
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,600
You've now given over five thousand Wyatt comfort bundles.

642
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,040
So we started a foundation called Wysk comfort bundles.

643
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,960
So it is as an actual as a nonprofit.

644
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,520
So we put these comfort bundles together.

645
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,720
And yeah, so he was able to help put together and deliver a hundred and six of these to

646
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:26,280
primary children's enhancement before he passed away.

647
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,440
But yeah, we just passed five thousand bundles this weekend.

648
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,760
But yeah, the first year we handed out between eight and nine hundred.

649
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,240
The second year we handed out one thousand seven hundred and seventy six and in twenty

650
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:43,520
twenty two we handed out one thousand nine hundred nine hundred and fifty.

651
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:50,480
So but that means that there's that many other many other kids going through similar similar

652
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,480
things.

653
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,560
You know, how can listeners get involved in that, Emily?

654
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,920
So if they if they're interested, we were on Facebook, they could follow us on Facebook.

655
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,200
We have a feed that's strictly for the for the comfort for the comfort bundles.

656
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,160
We have a Venmo account.

657
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,040
If people are interested in donating people, if they can reach out to me, call me, text

658
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,320
me, email me.

659
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:18,360
We're always looking for people to sell pillowcases or tie blankets or it's it definitely takes

660
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,360
an army.

661
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,160
We can't we definitely can't do it ourselves, but they can reach out to me any any time

662
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,160
to help with that.

663
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,520
But yeah, we we it's overtaken our basement, which is fantastic.

664
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,520
I mean, that was our goal was just to try to help out.

665
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,840
We have a lot of his friends coming to help us this week because they've reached out and

666
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,160
asked if they could put stuff together.

667
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,880
So well, it's it's his legacy.

668
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:42,880
Yeah.

669
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:50,320
So you have one child, no matter how many you wanted or didn't want.

670
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,320
You had one child.

671
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,640
Think how many children have been blessed because of that one child.

672
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:04,400
And parents and parents think of how many parents have also been blessed because when

673
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,280
you comfort when you comfort my child, you comfort me.

674
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,280
Right.

675
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,280
Yeah.

676
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,400
And that was his goal was to bring comfort and a distraction to kids going through similar

677
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,400
things as him.

678
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:19,400
And it so that's that's been our goal is just to somehow it's just a little a little something

679
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,360
we can do just to give back to others going through a similar thing as we did.

680
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,400
And it's it's it's a full time job for Emily.

681
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,400
Yeah.

682
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,840
And we're tracking all the volunteers and and but a labor of love, a labor of love.

683
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,960
It keeps.

684
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,000
It keeps his memory alive.

685
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,000
Absolutely.

686
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,000
Absolutely.

687
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,600
And as old as I am and how fast those memories have faded, this this helps.

688
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,280
How sweet.

689
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,640
Well, let's talk about kind of the sacred in all of this.

690
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:58,720
What's some of the more sacred experiences you've had as a result of this trial in your

691
00:44:58,720 --> 00:44:59,720
life?

692
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:03,360
You know, it it it makes you question everything.

693
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,880
I'm going through something like that.

694
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,640
I'm still still going through.

695
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,800
Sure.

696
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,760
It makes you question your faith.

697
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,080
It makes you question your relationship with your spouse.

698
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:25,080
It makes you question life in general.

699
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:34,200
But for for us, for me, you know, tragedy is nothing new to the Page family.

700
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:40,720
I lost a six year old sister in a tragic rock slide accident up American Fort Canyon when

701
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:44,600
I was young.

702
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,280
I would have been eight.

703
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,640
So early on, I guess my.

704
00:45:53,640 --> 00:46:03,040
My faith, my belief in the next life and that families can be together forever started at

705
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:08,320
a young age for me.

706
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:14,560
Here at the last bit of December, we were still trying to formulate the foundation and

707
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,720
what we wanted to do.

708
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:19,760
And I in a moment of stupidity got upset.

709
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:28,480
And as it turns out, that was one of Wyatt's last mobile days, you know, for him to be

710
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,120
able to get around.

711
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:40,600
And the guilt of that was just overpowering.

712
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,240
And I wanted to redo.

713
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,240
Right.

714
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:56,240
And and and then his health turned and I really didn't get a chance to to to try and fix that

715
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:59,720
as his dad.

716
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:07,400
But as time went on, after he passed, you know, that guilt was just eating at me.

717
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:13,040
And again, I needed I needed some help there.

718
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:24,320
And through an experience with Wyatt in a dream.

719
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,880
Things are OK.

720
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,640
And I know things are going to be OK in the long run.

721
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,800
There's still days that are hard.

722
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,760
There's days that you just.

723
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,480
You don't.

724
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:47,360
I guess I guess it's weird to say we don't miss him missing out on the craziness of the

725
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,360
world right now.

726
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:56,440
We miss out or feel the, you know, we're missing experiences that we get to have with him right

727
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,960
now, today.

728
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,520
And that's and that's what's hard.

729
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,080
That's what I struggle with every day.

730
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:10,080
Yes, we're to think that we'd have a 15 year old and learning to drive and, you know, looking

731
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,400
for, you know, being a sophomore, you would be right.

732
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,400
You know that there's.

733
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,880
Yeah, mission marriage, all those experiences you hoped for him.

734
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:18,880
Right.

735
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,680
I mean, you have that goal as parents is watching them grow up and get married and grandkids.

736
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,400
And, you know, I mean, the potential.

737
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,920
It will be there later, but it's just.

738
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,720
It's the brutal heart remind reminders that we get every day of, oh, well, the kids are

739
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:33,720
starting school.

740
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:34,720
I'm like, oh, he'd be a sophomore.

741
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,120
Oh, they just advanced all the kids up in priesthood and like it's a little jab at the

742
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,480
heart almost every single time.

743
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,800
He's like, oh, dang, you know.

744
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:47,840
And you know, like I said, we were glad he's not dealing with the crazy, crazy wickedness

745
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,840
of the world right now.

746
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:56,240
But, you know, it's just that longing to be with him because, you know, they're in a sense,

747
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:01,640
you know, I guess I have the foundation, but there's still the sense of filling hollow,

748
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:02,640
empty and alone.

749
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,120
You know, there there's still days where it's like.

750
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,120
It's just because we miss him.

751
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,120
You know what I mean?

752
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:14,400
Just the presence of him not being here is I think that's the most brutal part is I'm

753
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,400
like, OK, I don't know if I necessarily want to make it to 90, you know.

754
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:26,320
And because it's just that the absence of him is what makes things definitely difficult,

755
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,320
you know.

756
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:33,360
But the hope because of the resurrection and the atonement of Jesus Christ.

757
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,360
Right.

758
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,360
What does that mean to you?

759
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:42,200
Well, I mean, we like we look forward to the day of being with him to get together again

760
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,200
as an eternal family.

761
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,240
And I'm like, and I'm grateful that we do have that knowledge that we'll be together

762
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:48,240
forever.

763
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:53,280
And we have the opportunities to still continue.

764
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,840
Family together.

765
00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:06,320
It's that very principle of the gospel that gives us the hope that gives us the long look

766
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,800
to keep going.

767
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:16,160
That faith that we have in what we're taught and what we believe and have faith in lifts

768
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,320
the burden a little bit.

769
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,400
It gives us that long perspective.

770
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:28,120
We've talked a lot on our podcast about how the Holy Ghost administers the atonement of

771
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:35,160
Jesus Christ in our lives and the role of the Comforter in all of this and the power

772
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,120
and gift of the Holy Ghost.

773
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:45,600
Do you feel the spirit and Comforter in your life and administering the blessings of the

774
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,200
atonement of Jesus Christ in your life?

775
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,200
We definitely were booed up.

776
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:56,640
We there's I don't think there's any other way we could have made it through that without

777
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,120
having the love and support and prayers of others.

778
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,400
And like I said, getting priesthood blessings definitely helped helped.

779
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:11,000
And throughout most of the journey, we felt peace and comfort, peace and comfort throughout

780
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,040
the whole journey.

781
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,600
And I'm like, even the last couple of weeks of wise life, we would have friends come and

782
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,880
say their goodbyes and everything.

783
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,800
And people would tell us that our home felt like a temple, you know, or oddly enough,

784
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,400
we felt peace and comfort throughout the entire process.

785
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,520
And it's still there.

786
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:34,100
But there are still moments that, you know, it eats at you.

787
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:35,100
It's still painful.

788
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:36,100
Yeah.

789
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:37,520
And it probably always will be.

790
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:46,800
It's not as painful because of the gifts of the of the Holy Ghost through through the

791
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,120
atonement that that pain is eased.

792
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,720
But we have to ask.

793
00:51:53,720 --> 00:52:01,160
Well, I as your neighbor, as your friend, as your Doug and I now minister together and

794
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:08,280
Doug has ministered to me and my family and and Emily's always bringing over her baking

795
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:14,080
goods and and we just we love the Page family so much.

796
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,640
And and you've always been wonderful.

797
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:24,400
But as an outsider, as an observer from the outside, you know, the scripture that talks

798
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:31,720
about this because of the Savior's atonement, because of his suffering, that all of our

799
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:39,120
afflictions shall be consecrated for our gain and all of our trials will be as doctrine

800
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,960
and covenants section 90.

801
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:43,960
I think about you guys.

802
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,680
I thought about the scripture this morning.

803
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:51,520
A doctor comes section 98 with all the trials and the suffering of saints went through at

804
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:59,120
Jackson County and the Lord in this revelation to the Prophet Joseph Smith says, Therefore

805
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:04,720
he the Lord giveth this promise unto you with an immutable covenant.

806
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:08,440
This is 98 verse three.

807
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,160
With it with an immutable covenant that they shall be fulfilled and all things wherewith

808
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:20,760
you have been afflicted shall work together for your good and to my name's glory, saith

809
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,760
the Lord.

810
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,400
OK, just think about this for a minute.

811
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:33,140
How has this affliction worked together for your good and to his glory?

812
00:53:33,140 --> 00:53:41,120
Just as an outsider, Doug and Emily, you know, as much as hard as it is and the pain and

813
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:48,800
sorrow that you feel and will continue to feel, your lives have become more holy, more

814
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:57,280
consecrated, more focused in the purpose and work of the Lord in his redemption.

815
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:05,280
And because of Wyatt and his affliction and his suffering, his death, think about the

816
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:14,000
good that has like a wave washed over so many more people, fulfilling the glory of the Lord.

817
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:20,800
Really, that's that's what this means that and to my name's glory.

818
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,520
That's what your comfort bundles are doing.

819
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,800
Are blessing other people because of the suffering of this one child.

820
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:36,000
How many more children are being comforted and blessed how it has blessed your lives

821
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:41,120
and thousands and thousands more now.

822
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,840
Do you see that?

823
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,480
It's hard to see that perspective.

824
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,480
Is that easier for me to see from outside than it is for you to see that?

825
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:58,320
It is because we were in the middle of the weeds and we can't see through it.

826
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,320
Right.

827
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:05,080
And for someone to look from the outside in, it helps us kind of get out of the weeds a

828
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:10,640
little bit and have a slightly different perspective.

829
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:17,920
It's hard for us to imagine the number of bundles put together or the number of children

830
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,040
and parents that those have touched.

831
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,520
I can't grasp that.

832
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,440
No, none of us can.

833
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:30,360
And I just think with it with his life in general, I'm like just him being him and right.

834
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,160
People people it was an hour and a half waited as viewing and people would come that we have

835
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,680
never met and they just had heard a story and thought that they needed to come.

836
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,080
You know, it's just his life affected thousands.

837
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,680
And I think that's the hard thing to fathom.

838
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:47,000
It's just he touched thousands of people just by being himself.

839
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,120
And with the fact that we shared his story and his journey along the way.

840
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,960
But thank heavens for the atonement and the Savior and having the Holy Ghost and faith

841
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:02,240
in Christ and the Holy Ghost and ordinances that seal you together forever.

842
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:03,240
All of that.

843
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:04,240
Right.

844
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:08,920
And I don't think I could only imagine how much more difficult it will be without that.

845
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:09,920
Yeah.

846
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,440
And you and you know why it was prepared for this.

847
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,840
You said that today and that that preparation probably goes all the way back to his pre

848
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,740
mortal existence.

849
00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:24,540
And I'm sorry that I wasn't the patriarch when he got his patriarchal blessing.

850
00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:28,840
But I talked to the patriarch of our stake when I was in the stake presidency about that

851
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:35,000
experience and what an unbelievable experience that was for him to pronounce a patriarchal

852
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,640
blessing upon Wyatt.

853
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:43,580
So you know that the hand of the Lord, as awful as it is, has been involved in this

854
00:56:43,580 --> 00:56:46,000
whole process.

855
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,640
And that was a very special experience.

856
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,040
Yeah, I know it was.

857
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:57,920
Well thank God for Wyatt and thank God for the Page family, Doug and Emily and thank

858
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:04,120
Heavenly Father for the plan of redemption and Jesus Christ that makes it all possible

859
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:11,560
and the Holy Ghost that administers the blessings of mercy and grace and comfort and the atonement

860
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:19,280
in our life and and thankful last of all for the restoration of the fullness of the gospel

861
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:29,640
of Jesus Christ that answers so many difficult questions and gives us peace and hope in our

862
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:36,320
in our faith that we know that families can be together forever, that life is eternal,

863
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,480
that it didn't start when we were born and it certainly doesn't end when we die.

864
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,120
And it goes on and on and on.

865
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,040
And I'm grateful for all of that.

866
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,320
And thank you Doug and Emily so much for being with us today.

867
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,520
I'm just going to ask you one more question.

868
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:59,240
You know in this podcast and through the atonement of Jesus Christ we're really afforded three

869
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,680
grand wondrous blessings.

870
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:07,240
We're afforded the redemptive blessings that come through the atonement of Jesus Christ.

871
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:14,880
We're afforded the enabling blessings that come through the power or through the atonement

872
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:21,840
of Jesus Christ, his power, you know which has given you power to get through.

873
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:26,360
And then he gives us compensatory blessings through the atonement of Jesus Christ where

874
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:32,960
he makes up for or he closes the gap or he heals us in ways that maybe we have never

875
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,560
felt before that we could have been healed.

876
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,320
And I just want to reference one scripture.

877
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,980
This is in Alma chapter 7 verse 11.

878
00:58:39,980 --> 00:58:44,520
And then after I read this if I could have you both each, if I could have you each just

879
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:51,120
respond to this in closing about your feelings and your thoughts from your heart around you

880
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,720
know what this, what I'm about to read to you, what does that mean to you today and

881
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:00,520
how have you seen that alive in your life in the past as you've gone through this and

882
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,680
still maybe even today.

883
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:09,600
So this is in Alma chapter 7 verse 11 and it's describing what Jesus would go through,

884
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:10,600
would go through.

885
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,920
This was prior to him going through it, right?

886
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,920
And so this was looking forward with an eye of faith.

887
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,220
We look back with an eye of faith.

888
00:59:18,220 --> 00:59:24,760
But here we read, and he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every

889
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:25,760
kind.

890
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:32,200
And this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains

891
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,280
and the sickness of his people.

892
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:41,360
And he will take upon him death that he may loose the bands of death which bind his people

893
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:48,480
and he will take upon him their infirmities that his bowels may be filled with mercy according

894
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:56,160
to the flesh that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according

895
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,120
to their infirmities.

896
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:02,200
Have you had those blessings in part?

897
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:09,040
Where have you seen that Christ has suckered for you, blessed you, comforted you, run to

898
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:15,680
your aid, taken you in his arms as he has given you comfort through your infirmities,

899
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,600
through Wyatt's infirmities and through, you know, this just hasn't affected you.

900
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:24,360
These things don't happen just in a bubble and I know because I know you two, you know,

901
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:30,000
also we can read in this same book, the book of Alma where it talks about have you received

902
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,160
his image in your countenance.

903
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:36,060
I see you two and I see Christ's image in your countenance.

904
01:00:36,060 --> 01:00:41,280
Because of I think in part some of the experiences that you have been blessed to go through as

905
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,280
a part of this.

906
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:47,600
So talk to us for just a second, maybe by way of testimony, maybe by way of experience,

907
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,440
whatever comes to your heart and mind.

908
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:55,720
How would you describe how Christ has suckered you in your infirmities through the enabling

909
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:01,200
and through the compensatory powers of the atonement of Jesus Christ?

910
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:10,560
You know, even three years later I still have moments of being upset and the world as loud

911
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:20,480
as it is crowds out that calm, peaceful feeling that we know it's all going to be okay in

912
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,840
the end.

913
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:27,840
We just can't see through the weeds to see the open field.

914
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,640
And I wouldn't change the journey for anything.

915
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:35,600
Because it did bring us together closer as a family and I think it helped us draw together

916
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:45,000
to rely on each other, to rely on the Lord, to help increase our faith and to put our

917
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,000
faith in the Lord.

918
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,480
I mean, it is hard to be like, okay, if it's his time to go, it is his time to go.

919
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:52,480
It's hard.

920
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:57,560
It's hard because you don't want to be selfish in a way and say, well, no, he has to stay

921
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:58,560
here.

922
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,520
But there's another side of things where you could go in another direction and people have

923
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,920
gotten divorced and gotten bitter and angry and that doesn't do you any good.

924
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:13,080
So you're saying the atonement of Jesus Christ has held you together as individuals and has

925
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:17,960
held you together as a couple and has held you together as a family.

926
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:18,960
Absolutely.

927
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:19,960
And that's your hope.

928
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:20,960
Yeah.

929
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,960
And we fight for that every day.

930
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:23,960
Every day.

931
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,680
And it is a daily effort, isn't it?

932
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:26,680
Yeah.

933
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,560
We have seen the other side of things, but I think that's what helps keep us together

934
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:35,520
because we have seen how destructive it could be or lead you down a different path that

935
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,720
doesn't do you any good.

936
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,000
We've seen the bitterness and angry and angry.

937
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,100
And we totally get it because it's right there.

938
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:45,100
All the time.

939
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:46,100
All the time.

940
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:47,100
Yeah.

941
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:48,100
Just on the surface, just below the surface.

942
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:49,100
Just below the surface.

943
01:02:49,100 --> 01:02:50,100
Just ready to be.

944
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:51,100
So in a way you have to fight for it every day.

945
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:52,100
You do.

946
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:53,100
Every day.

947
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:54,100
I mean.

948
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:55,100
Right.

949
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:56,100
We've had witnesses enough.

950
01:02:56,100 --> 01:03:03,920
And the experiences and the witnesses that you've had, you know, didn't come from yourself.

951
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,360
You didn't generate those.

952
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:13,880
Those came from an outside source through the Holy Ghost, from a loving Heavenly Father,

953
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,400
bearing witness that these things are true.

954
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,080
That it becomes not a wish.

955
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,400
It becomes an assurance.

956
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:28,840
I mean hope, the word hope in the Scriptures means not I wish.

957
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,960
Hope means I know.

958
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,960
I have an assurance.

959
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,520
It's true, Dave.

960
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,760
It's all true.

961
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,600
And it will all be okay in the end.

962
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:41,600
Right.

963
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,720
It's just keeping that long perspective.

964
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:44,720
Right.

965
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:45,720
Yeah.

966
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:46,720
And the Spirit with us.

967
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,720
And the Spirit with us.

968
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:54,240
And using our brother's sacrifice to help us get there.

969
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:58,320
When you talked about a daily, that's what it is.

970
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,560
That's the daily.

971
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:06,600
That's the constant effort that's required on our part to maintain that conscious contact

972
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:11,280
that we talk about, you know, that I have an affinity to because of my background in

973
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,280
recovery.

974
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,740
But that's, you know, one of the steps is to maintain that conscious contact.

975
01:04:15,740 --> 01:04:21,640
As you have done that, and as you have just described what you do, you know, Doug or Emily,

976
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,480
you say I rely on prayer.

977
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,080
I rely on service.

978
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:26,080
I rely on...

979
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,080
Priesthood blessings.

980
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:28,080
Priesthood blessings.

981
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,640
I rely on the things that have been given to me.

982
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,440
And then Doug, you say I go to the temple.

983
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,640
Well the temple is the crowning symbol of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ here on the

984
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:40,640
earth.

985
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,920
So Doug, what you're really saying is I go to Jesus.

986
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:49,800
I go to Jesus Christ while I'm there and partake of the Spirit that's given to me so freely

987
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:54,800
because of my alignment, because I have turned my will to Him rather than take it and be

988
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,680
angry and pound the table and everything else.

989
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,560
I go there, I feel His love.

990
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,960
Because of His love, I know that families can be together forever.

991
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,280
That's the message.

992
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,840
And if any of us can get that from any experience in our life, then that experience, would you

993
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,760
agree, is worth having?

994
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:14,760
Full heartedly.

995
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:15,760
Yeah.

996
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:16,760
Well Dave, I think that...

997
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:17,760
Thank you.

998
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,480
That concludes us for today.

999
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:20,480
Welcome.

1000
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:26,040
Doug and Emily, you know of our love for you, but you are about to be loved by people in

1001
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:30,360
over 40 countries after this is released.

1002
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:36,160
The effect of Wyatt's life has just now gone global.

1003
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,800
And I want you to know that.

1004
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:44,240
You know, Heavenly Father, when we allow Him to, will take our infirmities as it's promised

1005
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,520
to us in Ether 1227.

1006
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,320
And He will let those things become strong.

1007
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:55,280
He'll let them become our strengths if we turn to Him as you are doing now.

1008
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,280
I love you.

1009
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:57,280
I hope you know that.

1010
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:03,080
And all to my names or Jesus Christ's name's glory.

1011
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,080
All to the glory of...

1012
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:05,720
All to the glory of Jesus Christ.

1013
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,120
Of God and Jesus Christ.

1014
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,600
Thank you so much for being witnesses of that.

1015
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:17,880
Thank you for letting us be here and share of our journey, our ongoing journey.

1016
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:18,880
Yeah.

1017
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:19,880
Absolutely.

1018
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:20,880
And our son.

1019
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,040
Yes, thank you.

1020
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,440
We've been blessed to have you here with us today.

1021
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,080
Thanks for being with us.

1022
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:30,000
And to our listeners, thanks to you all for being here with us as well.

1023
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,880
Again, don't hesitate to reach out to assist in any way that you may feel inclined to do

1024
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,200
so.

1025
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:41,880
If you're unable or forget how to reach out to Doug and Emily, just hit us up here at

1026
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,960
he redeems us at gmail.com.

1027
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:48,680
I will forward that on to our good friends here, Doug and Emily, to forward the cause

1028
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,000
and to help Wyatt.

1029
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:57,920
And this blessing that used to be known as a tragedy blessed the lives of others throughout

1030
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:58,920
the world.

1031
01:06:58,920 --> 01:06:59,920
We love you.

1032
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:00,920
Thanks for being with us.

1033
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:01,920
And we'll see you all next week.

1034
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,220
resurrection.