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Hey there everybody, Scott Durfey here back with yet another podcast here with my uncle

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David.

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Say hey, Dave.

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Hey, everybody.

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It's good to be with you.

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Today is going to be a very special podcast, a very special episode.

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We have two special guests with us today, good friends of mine and about to become good

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friends of y'all's too.

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We have Jory Norton.

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Say hi, Jory.

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Hello.

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And we have Mandy Norton, Jory's sweet, beautiful wife.

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Say hi, Mandy.

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Hi.

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That's correct.

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Sweet and beautiful.

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Yeah.

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Which is proof that Jory is just a fantastic salesman.

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There's truth to that too.

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At least in that case.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So listen, over the past several episodes, I mean, we have nearly 40 out now.

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Our focus the entire time has been one thing, and that's been hope, healing, and redemption

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through the atonement of Jesus Christ.

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And today, the reason we've brought Mandy and Jory as special guests with us today is

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they have some experience that I think can help all of us in gaining that and establishing

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or even enhancing our relationship that we have with Jesus, our Savior, through the administration

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of the Holy Ghost because of some experiences that they've gone through.

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So I'm gonna let David just kind of take it for a minute and maybe start asking some questions

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and we'll just kind of follow the Spirit, follow the flow.

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So here we go.

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Well, we've talked before, Scott and Mandy and Jory, about the atonement of Jesus Christ

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and what the atonement of Jesus Christ covers.

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We know that Jesus Christ died for our sins.

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Sometimes we don't focus enough upon how He died for sins committed against us, for the

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suffering that we suffer innocently, for the suffering that we suffer through our children

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or through the sins or mistakes or failures of others.

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We don't talk enough sometimes about the compensatory blessings of the atonement of Jesus Christ,

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how He compensates us in our losses, how this is twice in the Scriptures, right?

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Lehi said this to Jacob, Joseph Smith in Doctrine and Covenants, section 98 talking about the

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Saints in Jackson County when they lost everything, even some lives, and the Lord says that through

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the atonement of Jesus Christ, He would consecrate, consecrate all their afflictions for their

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gain, that somehow even in their losses, they would be consecrated.

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You know, we think about Isaiah, that there would be beauty for ashes through the atonement

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of Jesus Christ, that there would be a garment of praise for a spirit of heaviness.

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All of the effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ is not to just redeem us in the next

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life, in the afterlife, but how it compensates us because of the fall of Adam and Eve and

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not just our sins, but our death and suffering and pain that we experience in here in mortality,

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which is all part of our mortal experiences.

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But the Norton's, brother and sister Norton, we're so thankful that you're here, and you've

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had some experiences that have been so difficult that I think our listeners can just gain so

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much strength from hearing your experiences and the things that you've learned from these

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experiences.

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So, Mandy, you went on a mission.

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Yes, I did.

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South Africa, Cape Town, South Africa.

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And had some success there?

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I think.

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I had a lot of fun.

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It was a great experience.

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Learn about the atonement of Jesus Christ, teach the restored gospel, come home.

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You enjoy getting married how long after you're home?

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Almost three years.

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You get married three years after you've returned home because one of your companions was his

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sister and that's how you met and that's how you got married, so sweet.

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You had all these great spiritual experiences, but there's no way you could anticipate what

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would soon happen after you returned home and got married.

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And so why don't you just share with us a little bit about getting married and the experiences

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that you had early on in your marriage and the loss of your child.

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Let's see, we got married in 2002.

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He's the one that knows that kind of stuff.

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Hey, that's good.

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I'll take that one.

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I don't get very many.

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We got married in 2002 and quickly were pregnant with our first baby and we lost that baby

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early on in a miscarriage and quickly had another baby three months early.

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So we had two babies in the span of a year, basically a year and one month.

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And this was our sweet Kinley.

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She was born three pounds, 12 ounces.

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It's just a teeny little thing, but was a fighter and still holds the record at Utah

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Valley Hospital for making it out of the ICU as quickly as she did.

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She was there for 10 days.

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So we were able to, which I see as a really big blessing also, it allowed more time with

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her.

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But she required a lot of care so we never really left her and then Jorie's sister was

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getting married and was going to the temple to have her endowments taken out.

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And we decided that we would leave her for the first time with a babysitter that was

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known and trusted around in our community.

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Our family members had used her a few times and I had no reservations at all about leaving

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her with her.

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And we went to the temple and had a really great experience that day with Jorie's whole

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family.

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In fact, I think Jorie, you said just getting to know you this morning that it was one of

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the most powerful spiritual experiences that you had in the temple that day.

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Do you want to share that?

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Yes, absolutely.

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So we, just to backtrack a little bit, but Mandy had come back from the mission and met

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me and at the time I was coming through some of my own struggles and actually in the process

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of a divorce from a first marriage and coming out of some decisions and choices in my life

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that I was trying to crawl out of a little bit.

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And so to me, she kind of came in at a time in my life where one, being a salesman is

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an understatement.

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I don't know what she thought or what she was thinking coming into the situation to

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look at me and say, yeah, there's potential there.

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When I could look...

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She saw you as an investigator.

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Yeah, so Jorie, I'm going to push pause on you right now because you're misleading our

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listeners to a slight degree.

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Jorie is a wonderful person and always has been.

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I've known Jorie for about 20 years now.

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Jorie and I met where I meet a lot of people that we have on here and his mom and dad were

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actually very instrumental early on in my recovery from drugs and alcohol.

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Don and Rhonda Norton will forever...

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Their names will forever be sung with a lot of praises in this household because I love

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them so much.

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I remember actually about this time of year, Christmas time, going to their home for Christmas

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parties with several of us.

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John was there and Patrick, remember Patrick that played the guitar and all that.

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It was just a great time.

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So Jorie's a little bit self-abasing here, which is fine, but he is just a wonderful,

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wonderful person.

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He's extremely successful in the community.

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He has all kinds of...

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He's one of the best looking men, wouldn't you agree, Mandy?

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I agree.

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He's aging well.

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Yeah, like fine wine they say, I think.

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I'll take it.

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So anyway, I had to call you out on that right early, Jorie.

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So go ahead and continue.

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No, I appreciate that Scott.

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The feeling's mutual.

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It's been great to know Scott and have the experiences we've had together.

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But I was at a point in my life, I guess the perspective was I honestly looking in the

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mirror at that point, I did not like what I saw.

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And fortunately, when I looked at her, she saw something better and she saw something

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different.

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And so I...

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She saw you with the eyes of faith.

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Yeah, she was a blessing and a miracle for sure in my life.

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And she may agree with this, may not, but she always wondered why she served a mission.

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It was kind of this last minute, literally what, two or three weeks, you kind of decided

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I guess I should go, got the papers in and she had a call and turned around.

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And the MTC two weeks later.

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And said, what?

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In Africa, three days later.

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How did I get here?

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Kind of scenario.

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And so it's kind of one of those things as you have experience in life and you look back,

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at least I look up and again, give credit to the man above for the opportunity that

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I was able to cross paths with her through her mission, her getting to serve with my

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sister and come back and that's the way that we were able to meet.

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But again, at that time, I'll give myself some credit, as Scott mentioned, I definitely

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was striving for something better.

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I knew I didn't want to be living the way that I had and some of the things that had

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taken place.

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And she came in just at the moment where it was another motivation to say, okay, yeah,

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you know, you hear that story a lot, but those women that kind of helped save us or help

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pull us in a better direction and she definitely was that for me.

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But as we went that time to the temple, we were fortunate enough, we were able to get

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married in the temple through our time together, we dated for quite some time.

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But as she mentioned, you know, with everything going on after Kinley was born, our daughter,

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you know, we hadn't been really back to the temple much and left her until that time when

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my sister was going through.

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So I will never forget the experience I had that day at the temple.

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It was just something that I've never felt or experienced since.

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But the power I felt that day in the temple was something now that I definitely look back

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on and recognize the Lord's hand in that.

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He was preparing me and I think preparing both of us for what was about to take place.

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So after the temple, I called the babysitter.

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Our daughter's name is Kinley and she was almost eight months old, about a week away

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from being eight months old.

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And I called to check on her and as soon as we got out of the temple and the babysitter

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said she's fine, you know, everything's fine.

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And so we went to lunch and then we went straight home and I walked in the door and the babysitter

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was rocking our Kinley who was cold and gray and obviously not alive.

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But the babysitter said that she had fallen off the of a trundle bed.

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And at the time, you just believe what you're told, you know, we just how in the world this

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happened but okay, we got it, you know, let's do what we have to do.

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So I grabbed her and I, Jorie was outside in the car getting it warm for us.

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I grabbed her and I ran outside and I screamed, you know, take us, we got to go to the hospital.

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But then I realized her neck was broken and I needed to put her down so that I didn't

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paralyze her.

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And so we, because I thought going to the hospital in our car was going to be way faster

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than getting an ambulance to us.

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But in the meantime, I took her in later on the floor and started CPR on her.

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And in about 30 seconds, a man that we have no idea who he is stopped and came in, in

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his suit and tie and he was on his way.

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I think he said a baptism to a baptism.

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He left his whole family sitting out in the car and he just had heard on the radio and

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he was helping me do CPR within probably 30 seconds of us calling 911.

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And he was a professional and he immediately knew we needed a helicopter and had everything

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in the works for us that we were able to have help, which we were pretty far away from help.

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And we were able to get help immediately.

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And I don't know how maybe five minutes.

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This guy was a, when you say he was a professional, he was a medical professional.

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Yeah, medical, paramedic.

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And the radio that he heard it on was his radio for work.

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And he happened to have a radio on him that he just called right in for a helicopter.

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And I recognized the signal that he called.

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They try to not tell you in front of, you know, and I just said, why, why do we need

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a helicopter?

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She's okay.

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She's going to be okay.

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It's still, it didn't process yet what was going on.

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She just fell off of a small bed.

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You know, we later learned that that's not what happened and we don't know what happened

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to her.

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We've never been told.

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The babysitter's never told the truth.

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She's told a few stories, but we were able to, to get her to the hospital.

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And they, by the time we got to primary children's hospital, they were already doing

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brain surgery and removing her skull so she could, her brain could swell.

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And we still had, would you say we still had some hope at that point?

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I think we were still pretty naive.

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We had gone from Salt Lake temple home, which was at this point, you know, Eagle Mountain

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area and the ranches.

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And from that point, the helicopter landed in the street and took our daughter, whisked

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her away back up to primary children's.

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They said, that's where we're headed.

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So we hop back in the car driving back up that same direction.

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And I guess at this point it was just this utter, you know, just, well, you can't even

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comprehend or understand or process or have time to even believe what had happened.

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What was that drive like?

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It was, it's super surreal when you think about it.

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Like I remember watching the helicopter.

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I kept just watching the helicopter and I remember Joy's sister talking to him about

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how he was going to do this without falling off the wagon, drugs and alcohol.

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And just saying, you've got something big ahead of you.

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How are you going to do this?

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And that's all I really remember about the drive there.

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Do you remember anything else?

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Even at that point, as I think back now, I feel, you know, my grandpa once shared an

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experience of when he was in this horrible scenario on a plane that was going down and

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he felt kind of this overwhelming, almost like honey just kind of draped over him that,

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you know, he could take a breath and he felt this peace that he, you know, at that time

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didn't even know or understand, but it's later expressed what he felt like that was.

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And I think even from the beginning, you know, as I look back on that drive, one, we, it

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was such a whirlwind and we still, we had a reason to hope.

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We didn't really know for sure what had happened.

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We hadn't heard any definite medical determinations or of what had taken place, but it was almost

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like already kind of in this cloud of protection of like, you know, kind of what I felt in

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the temple that day.

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And just this, this power beyond me that was aware and not even knowing at that point what

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I was, what we were driving to other than something not good had happened.

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So kind of in hindsight, you would look back at your experience in the temple.

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You said it was one of the most spiritual experiences you had had.

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And you were being prepared.

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And so the administration of the Holy Ghost had been with you throughout that day and

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was continuing with you, it sounds like.

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Would you say that's accurate?

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For sure.

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And we've talked about in the, on this podcast several times, Mandy and Jory, that the Holy

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Ghost, the really one of the major roles of the Holy Ghost is to administer the atonement

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of Jesus Christ in our life.

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So looking back on it now, but maybe not really knowing at the time, the atonement of Jesus

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Christ was being administered into your life really right from the very beginning, even

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before, even before you even knew what had happened.

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Yeah, for sure.

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And through that whole process, right?

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Yep.

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And Mandy, you're going to tell us more about what happened at the hospital.

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We got, when we got there, they took us, I was a little bit of a crazy lady.

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I can chime in if you need to.

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The ER was chuck full and I just barged my way right to the front desk and said, my baby

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just came in on life flight.

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Where is she?

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And immediately they had us whisked off to a room, a white room.

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And I'm in the medical profession and I know what that white room means.

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And it was a good hour maybe or two that we sat there and waiting for an update.

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And they came down and told us that she was, well, actually in that time, we might want

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to add that we, there were detectives up there and we didn't know why they had come to interview

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us and took us to separate rooms to make sure our story, they didn't know we weren't home.

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And it was called in as a child abuse case by the helicopter, from the helicopter.

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So they took us to separate areas and interviewed us to make sure our stories matched.

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And then when they realized we weren't there, we really don't know what happened to her.

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They came and told us she had some serious fractures to her skull and a broken neck and

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had been shaken very hard.

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Her, her, I can't think of the right word, torn.

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And you know that there's, we're just going to see there's a chance.

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There's not much of a chance, but there's a chance.

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And so we waited for a long time and family members started to come and help us.

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And we spent that so that this was probably by the evening, Saturday night, and nothing

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had really happened besides, you know, she was being kept alive on machines, tons of

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visitors.

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We were just really overwhelmed.

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And then the next morning they just told us, you know, she, she declined during the night

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and she's a vegetable basically.

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And I can remember on the drive, on the drive up there also praying, saying, I will take

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care of any condition she's in, just save her.

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But so then we were Sunday morning, Jordan, I were there alone.

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And actually I think, I think my parents slept in a waiting room somewhere around the hospital.

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But there was a lot of that going on.

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Yeah, people were hiding out around for waiting for us.

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When I went in and Jordan was able to fall asleep for a few minutes, but I was able,

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I went and got him and just said, you know, she's not doing well.

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And the team of doctors that had been working on her came and took us to a private room

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and sat us down and just said, you know, we have machines that can keep her alive, keep

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her body alive for as long as possible or as long as you want.

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But you know, you need to think about taking her off of life support.

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And they were interested in donation.

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That was a part of their trying to get us to quickly, you know, make some decisions.

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And they just stared at us like we were supposed to just have that answer right away.

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And so we asked if it was okay if we would pray about it.

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And they were respectful and left us there in the room.

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And Jordan and I knelt down together, just offered a simple prayer.

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And we stood up and we didn't say a word to each other.

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We just hugged each other and said, we can do this.

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And at that point, we walked out and just got the doctor's attention and said, we're

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going to take her off.

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It was time for her to go.

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There was no doubt in our mind that experience of in that little waiting room.

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I'll never forget again.

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You know, I look back on the temple or the drive or these little experiences now.

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And that is one that has been foundational for us as we know.

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And I mean, literally, we stood up and we looked at each other and as we can look at

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each other now, and we did not have to say a word.

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We never had to question.

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I can imagine, you know, we stood up and she said, well, I think we should do this.

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And I said, oh, no, I think we should do this.

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What a tender mercy without even words spoken, just solidified in our hearts that we knew

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that this it was her time.

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It was her time to go throughout this whole experience to I've had a lot of people.

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I think a lot more people come to me than to Jory.

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Probably I have a lot of other people that have lost kids and that kind of stuff that

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talk to me and say, how, how are you not angry?

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How are you not?

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How did you ever go back to the temple?

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How did you go back to church?

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How did you know any and still have people ask those questions?

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And it's never been a question in our mind that it was a punishment.

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You know, it has always been we've just we've had that experience really has gotten us through

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a lot of really hard times by referring back to those feelings of she was supposed to go.

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And unfortunately, we had waited too long that her brain had been gone too long that

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she couldn't donate much.

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But her eyes, we were able to donate her eyes and give beautiful blue eyes, give somebody

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else the chance to see, you know, and honestly, I think through, you know, we waited for we

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waited for our family members to all get there to be able to say goodbye to her.

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And we rocked her until she passed and driving the hardest part, I will say, right for me

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was leaving the hospital without my baby and handing her body over to somebody else.

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You know, but I will say the the amount of people that have asked questions and asked

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how we did this and how all of it we could we always just we have no other nothing else

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we could refer to of how we did this other than through the atonement and through somebody

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taking our pain for us.

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Obviously, we still feel a lot of pain.

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And I miss my daughter.

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But the collateral beauty that we have seen come out from it, from being able to help

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other people.

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And I honestly can't can't give you a number on how many people have called and asked,

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you know, how do I help my family member, how do I help my sister, they just lost their

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child this, you know, what could I do or I've I've reached out when I hear of anyone that's

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lost a child, I always reach out to them.

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I feel like that's been more my part of filling her close to me is to help other people through

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it.

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I haven't had a lot of spiritual experiences with her, other than knowing where she is

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and knowing that that I get to be with her again.

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But I think Heavenly Father's way of helping me is I'm a fixer, obviously, I, I'm somebody

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that wants to help heal.

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I think that's something that Heavenly Father's blessed me with is the ability to not be super

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emotional when I'm doing that and to just help.

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You can't fix it, you know, but you can tell them that they're going to be okay in ways

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that we've been okay.

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Where did you where did you kind of learn this, Mandy?

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I mean, it's listening to your story.

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It's amazing to me.

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You were how old at the time?

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I was 26.

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You were 26 years old at the time.

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That's been, I think you said 19, she'd be 19 years old.

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Yeah, on February, or let's see, February 1st, she'll have been gone for 19 years.

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Yeah, wow.

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So you were 26 years old, Mandy, and you were able to process all this as hard as it was

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and as difficult and the grief and the mourning and all that that you went through.

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But somehow your faith never wavered.

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Never.

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Your testimony was never shaken.

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You somehow knew that God was in control.

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Where did that come from?

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Where did that strength come from?

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I don't know.

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I had to dig deep, I think.

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I think we both did, but.

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Was it something on your mission?

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Was it something in your youth?

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What was it that was it just a gift?

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Was it something that was, were you born with this?

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Is this pre-mortal?

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I mean, where did you get this spiritual strength or understanding of the atonement of Jesus

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Christ?

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Where did you get that at 26?

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I honestly don't know, but I think probably my mission is where I started to kind of understand

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that.

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I still don't understand the atonement fully and don't utilize it as much as I should and

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could.

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But I don't know, honestly.

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I can't tell you.

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I know it's a gift, whether you can identify the source or not.

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This is a gift from God that somehow you were blessed to receive and that you received it

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early in your life.

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And can you imagine trying to go through what you went through without having that gift?

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People ask all the time, how did you do that?

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I could never do what you did.

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People say that.

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And I don't like comparing trials.

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I think our trials are relative to our own situations.

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I don't like people saying, oh, I could never do what you did because you never know how

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strong you're going to be until you have to be.

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Exactly.

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And I don't know where it came from, but I know that I have quite a few moms and quite

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a few people that have been able to get strength from my testimony of it.

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It doesn't mean that I don't love her and don't miss her and would give anything to

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have her back.

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I would love to not have to help these people.

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I would love to not know what they're feeling.

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But a huge part of me is to try to take some of their pain away.

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And I feel like that's been my calling since she passed.

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I think we've grieved and mourned in completely different ways.

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And I think mine has been more through other people, helping and talking to other people

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and just the hardest part is not having an answer of what happened to our child to say,

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I don't know what happened to my baby, but this is how we got through it.

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And we're still getting through it.

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It's not something that you just get over ever.

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So two things.

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So you were given a gift.

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You received it.

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26 years old.

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And God has used you as a gift.

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I mean, literally, He's used you as a gift and an instrument to bless the lives of so

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many more for the last 19 years.

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I do feel like that's been my way of honoring her and just keeping her alive in our home

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and around us.

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We don't sugarcoat any of it.

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We don't.

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But everyone that knows us knows about our daughter because she's still in our family.

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She's still a part of our family.

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And yeah, I just think that that was my own personal blessing and still is.

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And like I said, the beauty that we've been able to see the ripple effect of what our

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testimonies have done for other people.

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That doesn't mean that I haven't questioned or it doesn't mean that I haven't, but I could

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always go back to my testimony and knowing that I get to be with her again.

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And I would never...

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I don't think I could do this without the gospel and knowing that I get to be with her

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again.

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I mean, I guess other people do it, but I don't know how I would without that.

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So not only the power and the grace and the mercy and all of that from the atonement of

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Jesus Christ, not only the Holy Ghost and having the gift of the Holy Ghost, the Comforter

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to be with you and all of that, but what I'm hearing you say is your firm witness and testimony

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of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ and the doctrine that families can be together

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forever and the unconditional redemption of Jesus Christ and knowing that as parents having

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been sealed in the Holy Temple for time and all eternity, that that child is yours forever

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and ever to be raised by you in the millennium.

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That's given you a lot of strength too.

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Yeah, it gives me a lot of hope and it keeps me going a lot.

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I mean, I'll admit, you know, I feel sometimes I feel like I have one foot there and one

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foot here and want to be on both sides.

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You know, I want to be with her, but I, you know, I have my kids here.

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But yeah, I feel like we've I've been given some kind of strength that only can be explained

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to me through our Savior.

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And this angel, Kinley, has you haven't had any you've said told told me earlier that

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you have any really personal experiences with her you haven't felt, but how is she as an

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angel blessing your family?

464
00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:53,160
Do you think now?

465
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,120
I think she's with my kids a lot.

466
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,760
I know she's with our oldest daughter.

467
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:06,200
She talks about her a lot and she she actually writes in a journal that she writes to her.

468
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,860
She's how that's how much she wants her sister, you know, so she's she writes letters to her.

469
00:35:11,860 --> 00:35:13,600
This is your 17 year old daughter.

470
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,600
Yeah.

471
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:20,400
And she's always since she was could talk, she's always had a very spiritual relationship

472
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:28,960
with her, which has really helped also to, you know, know that she's watching out for

473
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:29,960
our kids.

474
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,920
And and I know that Joy's had some experiences with her.

475
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,320
I even know of, you know, some neighbor kids that have said some things about her that

476
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,120
they really shouldn't know her.

477
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,120
Yeah.

478
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,840
So, you know, she's around.

479
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,120
She's our little angel.

480
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,120
We do.

481
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,920
We love her, our angel, and I know she's around and I and I know that she's helping

482
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,680
me more than I recognize.

483
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,360
The Prophet Joseph Smith taught the doctrine that those who have passed on, our loved ones

484
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:07,400
who have passed on, are more aware of us than we are of them.

485
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,320
And they feel after us and they feel our emotions.

486
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:18,800
I think that's so interesting that that he taught that and I believe that that we have

487
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:24,720
we all have people who love us on the other side of the veil and who watch over us and

488
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:31,000
who who definitely feel after us and are involved in our lives without us maybe being aware

489
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,000
of them.

490
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,000
Yeah.

491
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,000
Yeah.

492
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,720
I prayed for years for some big experience.

493
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:37,840
You know, I wanted to see her.

494
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,840
I wanted to see that she was OK and that that hasn't been what Heavenly Father's wanted

495
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,840
me to see.

496
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:51,240
So I've had to find sometimes I have to think of, you know, how can I do today and how can

497
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:55,140
I get, you know, but I can.

498
00:36:55,140 --> 00:36:56,140
We always do.

499
00:36:56,140 --> 00:37:01,520
In fact, you mentioned that you feel like that's almost been a protection to you.

500
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,520
Yeah.

501
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,440
That you haven't had like personal experiences maybe with her.

502
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,440
Yeah.

503
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,080
I just feel like it might be too.

504
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:16,280
I'm really emotional when it comes to her and I feel like it would maybe be too hard

505
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,280
for me.

506
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,280
And I think that's Heavenly Father's way of protecting me.

507
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:29,360
Well, Jorie, on the other hand, when this all happened and your sister, was it your

508
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:35,360
sister who warned you who warned you about this is going to be heavy.

509
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,880
It's going to be hard.

510
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,760
Why don't you just catch us up a little bit, Jorie, without getting into a ton of detail

511
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:47,240
about maybe a few of the challenges and so forth that you had faced and through the help

512
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:52,880
of a 12 step program and your Heavenly Father and Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was able

513
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,800
to work into some recovery time and stuff like that.

514
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,440
Why don't you just kind of give us that perspective?

515
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:07,080
So I kind of alluded to how we met, Andy and I, and where I had gotten myself to a place

516
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:18,520
of a little better footing and overcome through 12 steps where we met Scott and in those experiences

517
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:26,860
there had gotten to a place where I had started experiencing the atonement, where I had been

518
00:38:26,860 --> 00:38:32,000
in places of overwhelming despair, you know, that hole that we dig and not knowing any

519
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,440
other way that I could get out.

520
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:39,720
I actually had a front row seat to this watching Jorie go through the trials and stuff that

521
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:45,120
he went through, not just during this time, but prior to it and even after it.

522
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:51,600
And to watch Jorie walk hand in hand with the Spirit has been a wonderful thing through

523
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,120
all of this, even right from the very start when that relationship with the Spirit may

524
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,880
have been just a little bit strange, Jorie.

525
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,880
Yeah.

526
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:00,880
It was.

527
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,600
It was those...

528
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:09,480
You know, I kind of in this experience and all of it, it interrelates to just, I guess,

529
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,520
the natural man and in our finite mind trying to figure it out, you know, how do I get through

530
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,560
this?

531
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:22,320
Whether it was my challenges with addiction and substances and overcoming those things

532
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,400
from decisions that I'd made.

533
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:31,720
You know, you get to a point where you try anything and everything of your own power

534
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,360
to say, I don't want to do this.

535
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,560
You know, I don't want to live like this.

536
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,960
But I knew I would make that commitment and promise to myself every night, you know, after

537
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,600
another day of, man, I don't want to be living this way.

538
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,320
I don't want to be doing this.

539
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,480
But yet that next day would come after every fiber of my being committing that I don't

540
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,480
want to be there.

541
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,800
I'm not going to do this again.

542
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,320
And the next morning I knew I would wake up and I knew exactly where I was going to be

543
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,280
and what I was going to be doing because I didn't know any other way.

544
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,640
You know, I couldn't fix some of these challenges and problems that I'd got myself into.

545
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:16,600
And that was the beginning stages of my understanding of, you know, what do I need to do to find

546
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:23,020
something in power greater than myself to restore me and help me to get out of this

547
00:40:23,020 --> 00:40:25,040
hole that I've dug.

548
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:33,920
And my last experience was six years of that cycle of every day, you know, just not wanting

549
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,320
to do the things I was doing, not want to live that way, even recognizing that, you

550
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,360
know, the wreckage and the things I was, you know, doing to people around me that loved

551
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,360
me.

552
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,680
And I did not want that.

553
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,880
My desires, my wants were good.

554
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:55,160
But until I understood that I needed to look beyond my own self and willpower to find a

555
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,640
way out of this, I couldn't six years.

556
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:06,620
And I remember the day when I, what we call surrendered that day of complete desperation

557
00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:11,920
and pleading and, you know, call it that you dug that hole.

558
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,800
And I remember one phrase that stuck with me is, you know, if you want to get out of

559
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,800
this hole, because I was digging it, trying to dig myself out.

560
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,960
And that was just creating tunnels all over the place to nowhere.

561
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:29,040
But the simple phrase, drop the shovel, stop digging, and look up.

562
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,040
And

563
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,160
Can I interrupt you really fast?

564
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:39,240
I think it's, well, I think it's really important for for you to say that you were able to be

565
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:48,000
clean and sober through Kinley's entire life, which the six years came after that.

566
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,080
But before that, he also struggled for years.

567
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:58,760
So you know, with this huge, how you know, with addiction and recovery, it's not just

568
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,280
a one day thing and you're better.

569
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:05,560
And he was able, we feel like it was such a blessing from heaven that he was able to

570
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,920
be clean for her whole life.

571
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Yeah.

572
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,040
How come?

573
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,040
Why?

574
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,280
As long as Kinley was here, what was the saving grace about Kinley?

575
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,280
What was it about this baby?

576
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,280
This angel already.

577
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,280
Yeah.

578
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,760
How did she save your life for a year?

579
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,120
Yeah, you've raised the term gift.

580
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,120
And that's kind of resounding in my mind.

581
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:36,880
We talked about my angel wife, the gift of the timing and when she came into my life.

582
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:43,360
And then we talked about this gift of our angel daughter and, you know, my true desires,

583
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,400
you know, and I think through all of that, it's just it's understanding of the perspective.

584
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,960
You know, we think things in our own mind and and try to solve it, but not understanding

585
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,440
that the the Lord is always there.

586
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,440
He's mindful.

587
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,440
He's aware of us.

588
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,880
He waits patiently, very patiently in some cases like mine.

589
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:08,760
But she definitely, you know, was a gift at that time, and as Mandy mentioned, one of

590
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,640
the greatest tender mercies now that I recognize and we've mentioned a few of these is the

591
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:21,240
fact that her life, I was in a place where I was there and I was present and I was able

592
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:26,600
to love her with everything I had up until her last day.

593
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:32,920
And now I continue to and I feel her close and I know she's there.

594
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,280
But for me, I think perspective is is really something that's changed everything in my

595
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,360
life.

596
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:48,080
It's perspective and through the Spirit, we're actually able to see a true infinite perspective

597
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,200
where naturally we just get caught up in, you know, this and that and the things that,

598
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:59,120
you know, we have to do here, we have to accomplish, but we don't see the bigger picture or understand

599
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,360
it or even comprehend it.

600
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:09,440
And through these experiences and my experiences through the perspective of the Spirit, I've

601
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:16,160
learned what the atonement of Jesus Christ is for me, for myself, for our angel daughter,

602
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,600
for our family.

603
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,080
And I'm so grateful for that.

604
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,640
There's days now, like I said, we're in different places.

605
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,580
You know, all of us were doing different things and the world will throw something across

606
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:32,120
our bow, you know, any given day that's going to take us for a loop or a ride.

607
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:38,440
But I know through my experiences in the sure foundation I have on the rock of our Redeemer

608
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:46,000
Jesus Christ, through my experiences, what a gift it is to have that perspective.

609
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,440
And no matter what, as long as I have that foundation, I can come back to that same perspective,

610
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,880
whether it's with my own challenges, with our family, our daughter, our 17-year-old

611
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,800
teenage daughter now.

612
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,560
What an incredible gift we learn through these experiences if we are able to see them through

613
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,080
the lens of the Spirit in that perspective.

614
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,840
The eternal perspective that the gospel gives us, right?

615
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:17,760
So Joria, I love this phrase, put down the shovel.

616
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,680
Put down the shovel and look up.

617
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,000
Wow.

618
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,360
Is that a thought or like a voice in your mind?

619
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,960
And tell me what happened right after that.

620
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,280
How did that come to you?

621
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,280
It's interesting.

622
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,200
You mentioned it even now and you can call it a thought.

623
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:43,800
You can call it, you can kind of picture it or whatever, but it is a physical experience

624
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:54,880
of relief, of lifting off these weights of years of just wondering how did I get here?

625
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,560
How do I get to a better place?

626
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,640
Even though I want it with all my heart and soul, I can't figure this out.

627
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,440
For me now, it's a daily event.

628
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,320
You can look at that picture, but I feel that in my things.

629
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,360
There's things that I do every single day now that I've learned through my experience

630
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:23,720
in life and recovery that I know I start my day every single day with that type of visual.

631
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:30,560
In my studies, in my prayer and meditation that I know each day I got to do that almost

632
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:38,000
in a way, feel that burn lifted and say, Lord, I need your help and I'm ready and I'm willing.

633
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,120
Guide me today in the things that you'd have me do.

634
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:48,000
This is like President Nelson describes, the daily, the joy of daily repentance.

635
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,280
Basically you feel that, right?

636
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,180
Yeah, absolutely.

637
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:58,520
Thank you for reminding me because we take it for granted and it doesn't take long for

638
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,000
me to think back and that's the gift too.

639
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:09,080
We're reminded and have gratitude which in tune keeps in line with our humility and our

640
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:14,840
ability to recognize and feel and see the tender mercies of the Lord, feel the Spirit

641
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:21,800
and have the strength we need to push forward and for me to support and love my amazing

642
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,520
life through these experiences.

643
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,320
I think that's part of the perspective I see.

644
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,000
There's things I went through that helped prepare me.

645
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,640
It doesn't seem like that was a good thing for me to go through or have to experience

646
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:44,800
or live with but now when we see things through the lens of that perspective in the Spirit,

647
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,440
we recognize it for what it is and it's the truth that I was here, I'm always here and

648
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,040
all these things will work together for your good.

649
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:59,320
And that all these things will be consecrated for your gain as an elders quorum president,

650
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,320
right?

651
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,320
Is that your serving?

652
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,320
Of your brother, yeah.

653
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,320
Yeah, that's right.

654
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,320
That's right.

655
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,320
You're in my brother's ward.

656
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,280
I'm sorry for him, I apologize.

657
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,200
You're his elders quorum president.

658
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:18,360
I mean through opportunities like that, really, Jory, because of your experience, how are

659
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,720
you able to administer the atonement of Jesus Christ into the lives of others because of

660
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,320
your experience?

661
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:31,160
Yeah, that is, I'm still learning but what an amazing blessing.

662
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:39,520
I have opportunities and if anything I've learned in my experience of callings or whatever,

663
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,240
it's about the one.

664
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:48,400
I've had opportunities to really experience that, the people that I can really understand

665
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:54,280
and relate and share my faith and hope with through those experiences.

666
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:59,000
Jory's not going to be the kind of person that's going to really tout himself much,

667
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,480
which is great and we wouldn't want that anyway but I feel like it's important that I say

668
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,080
something about that.

669
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:11,640
You know, Dave, you ask a question, how do you help administer the atonement of Jesus

670
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,480
Christ, Jory, to those among whom you serve, your ward members?

671
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,440
Virtually all of the adults in your ward are under your stewardship, at least all of the

672
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:28,560
men and the answer to that is obvious to those of us who know you and it may not be obvious

673
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:34,640
to you because to those of us who know you, the way we administer, the best way anything

674
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:39,160
or anybody could administer the atonement of Jesus Christ into the lives of others is

675
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:46,200
to be Christ-like and Jory is Christ-like and in order for that to be accomplished there's

676
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,240
really a few things that need to happen too.

677
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:53,160
The scriptures tell us that this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God

678
00:49:53,160 --> 00:50:01,920
in Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent, Jory knows Jesus, he knows him, he knows him.

679
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,680
And then there's another commandment, be therefore perfect even as I or your father in heaven,

680
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:11,800
which is, even as I or your father who is in heaven is perfect.

681
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:18,600
Jory's not perfect but Jory is inviting and qualifying for perfection through the atonement

682
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:24,240
of Jesus Christ by supplicating himself every single day, right Mandy?

683
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:29,480
I mean on a pretty regular basis at least to the will of our heavenly Father turning

684
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,680
his will and his life, O to the care of God as we understand him, which is the third step

685
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,160
of Alcoholics Anonymous.

686
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:41,760
And then Jory also talked about when you asked him about putting down the shovel and Jory

687
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,680
said it's just something I have to do every day.

688
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,560
In the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous we read, and I don't know if I'm quoting it

689
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:57,480
verbatim, I think I am, but we read what we really have is just a daily reprieve based

690
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,920
on our spiritual condition.

691
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:08,060
Oftentimes some of the greatest gifts in our lives, beauty for ashes, you know, can come

692
00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:14,600
from some of the most seemingly tragic to the rest of the world seemingly tragic experiences.

693
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:19,040
There's no doubt that the two of you and your entire family, because this stuff doesn't

694
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,240
happen in a bubble.

695
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,260
This has affected everyone who loves you.

696
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:24,240
This affected Deb and I.

697
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:30,920
We cried, literally cried multiple times as we prayed by the side of our bed for you while

698
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,200
this was going on.

699
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,080
This stuff doesn't just happen in a bubble.

700
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,500
It happens to all of us.

701
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:38,960
When it happens to one of us, it happens to all of us.

702
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,920
The thing that we've been able to see and I've appreciated, and Jory you've had your

703
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,240
struggles through it.

704
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:52,160
We all have struggles through it, but because you have been able to exercise a broken heart,

705
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,160
right?

706
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,520
I can't.

707
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:55,520
He can.

708
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:56,520
I think I'll let him.

709
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,360
That's how we kind of define that in recovery.

710
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,080
And a broken heart and a contrite spirit, and you already talked about that.

711
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,040
You know, the contrite spirit is just turning to him every day, finding joy in daily repentance.

712
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,160
And you talked about that.

713
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:16,240
And your example to not just those around you, not just those in your ward, not just

714
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:20,640
those in your family, not just those that you have stewardship over in your own family

715
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:27,680
too, but many, many others, Jory and Mandy, because of the things that you've gone through,

716
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:33,480
we all, we all get to feel and witness the effects of the atonement as well.

717
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:40,240
Well, I feel, really Mandy and Jory, I feel like Kinley has blessed my life today.

718
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:41,240
Thanks.

719
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:48,920
You know, just getting to know you and to know your story, I feel like your experience

720
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,680
and her, that she's blessed my life today.

721
00:52:52,680 --> 00:53:01,640
I want to read to you a quote from Elder Anderson's book called The Divine Gift of Forgiveness.

722
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,480
And I want you to just comment on this because there's kind of another aspect of this story,

723
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:14,200
I think, which is not just how the atonement covered you, compensated you, how the atonement

724
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:21,160
of Jesus Christ allowed you to consecrate your loss for gain, but how you were able

725
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:30,360
to forgive, how you were able to forgive and not allow any sort of resentment to come into

726
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,680
your life as a result of this experience.

727
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,560
So let me read this quote and ask you to respond to this quote, Mandy, and just give me your

728
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,480
thoughts about it.

729
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:47,240
Our faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ not only includes faith in the Savior's ability

730
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:56,040
to pay for our sins, but also His ability to heal our wounds when others sin against

731
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,680
us.

732
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:06,880
Christ paid for all the sins of all the world, including the effects of those sins.

733
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,360
Forgiveness is not excusing sin.

734
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:17,880
It is trusting in the atonement of Jesus Christ.

735
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:24,680
I like that last part so much because, can you read that last sentence one more time?

736
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,360
Yeah, I love it too, Mandy.

737
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:33,800
Forgiveness is not excusing sin or the mistakes of others.

738
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,820
Forgiveness is not excusing sin.

739
00:54:35,820 --> 00:54:40,360
It is trusting in the atonement of Jesus Christ.

740
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,080
That's exactly what we've had to do.

741
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,680
I've had to do.

742
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:50,140
Because I can tell you honestly, my feelings, and I think we've talked about this quite

743
00:54:50,140 --> 00:54:57,800
a bit, but at the beginning I just knew I needed, I couldn't do it being angry.

744
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,640
I couldn't live that way.

745
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,480
I couldn't live being mad at this babysitter.

746
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:09,120
I couldn't live with that resentment inside of me and be happy.

747
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:15,080
It was pretty fast that I just felt like, okay, we just need to forgive her and move

748
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,120
on with that part.

749
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,120
It's not going to work.

750
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,960
She's not going to tell us what happened.

751
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,240
She's never really apologized, never apologized really.

752
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:39,280
It's just been, but I felt it pretty immediately that it was essential to forgive her so that

753
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,280
we could really grieve for our daughter.

754
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:52,480
I want to be honest in saying that as the years go by, I do have a lot of moments of

755
00:55:52,480 --> 00:56:01,200
anger towards the babysitter who sinned against us, but it's always usually taken away from

756
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,280
me pretty fast.

757
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:12,000
The only anger I feel about it is I just want her to say she's sorry.

758
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,680
But I know that I'm not going to know what happens until my daughter tells me what happened

759
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,840
to her.

760
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:27,200
Holding resentment and hatred and holding those feelings inside, it's too heavy.

761
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,720
It's too much, so we have to give it up.

762
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:31,720
That's a choice.

763
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:36,420
It's a daily choice, several times a day sometimes.

764
00:56:36,420 --> 00:56:44,640
That's a choice you made from the very beginning, was that your focus would not be on the babysitter.

765
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:49,800
Your focus was going to be on Kenley and the Atonement of Jesus Christ and being in an

766
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,800
eternal family.

767
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:58,120
The only way that I could have survived it, I didn't want to be here anymore after she

768
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:03,400
left and that copy through.

769
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,920
For 19 years, that's been a daily choice.

770
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,720
It's definitely a choice.

771
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,000
That's amazing.

772
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,880
But I also feel like it's been a huge gift from Heavenly Father to give that to us because

773
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:25,000
I've had so many people say, you were in the temple, how could a loving Heavenly Father

774
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,120
do this to you?

775
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,920
And that was said to us a lot.

776
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,680
I can honestly say I never felt anger towards my Heavenly Father for it.

777
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:43,880
I never felt like I was getting punished or that I don't know.

778
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,320
It was just a gift.

779
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:50,160
The Atonement of Jesus Christ is there for all of us.

780
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,880
The gift is for all of us.

781
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,540
But it must be received and that's the choice.

782
00:57:56,540 --> 00:58:02,660
That is the choice and you have chosen daily to choose Him and to choose the Atonement

783
00:58:02,660 --> 00:58:07,720
of Jesus Christ and redemption and the Gospel of Jesus Christ, all of that.

784
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:16,000
And others who don't focus on that but choose to focus on the negative, it's amazing how

785
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,480
that goes to two different places.

786
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:27,480
And I don't want to sound like I'm this saint that never has hard feelings or I don't want

787
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,800
to sound like that.

788
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,760
We're just sinners helping sinners.

789
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:32,760
Right.

790
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,800
Yes, I do plenty of things that aren't right.

791
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:44,800
But I do feel like through the last 20 years that I've been guided and directed and I've

792
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:45,800
been carried 100%.

793
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:51,200
Yeah, I think it's important for us to, we've thought about this a lot, but in honoring

794
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,800
her and through this experience, we've had discussions of nothing else.

795
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,520
What can we do from this and learn from this experience and share hope?

796
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:08,440
I'm sure there's listeners and my hope is that they recognize that this is, no matter

797
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:14,800
where you're at, there is that hope and there is that gift.

798
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,920
And we, through our experiences, that's all we have to share.

799
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,360
Not a perfect way of how we got there, how we did it.

800
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,320
We all have our roundabout way, but that hope is there, that gift is there.

801
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:34,000
And as we have chosen, as you mentioned, to accept that gift, you can't even express the

802
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:41,320
gratitude that we have to our loving Heavenly Father and to our Savior for His atonement

803
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,360
and sacrifice that has brought us here.

804
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:54,240
Yeah, the next, for us to, I don't want to say the word celebrate, but when the anniversary

805
00:59:54,240 --> 01:00:00,960
of the date came of her death, we were wondering, how do we do get through this day?

806
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:06,840
And we decided we go to the temple, show Heavenly, you know, it was kind of our way of thanking

807
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,080
Heavenly Father for the gifts that He's given us.

808
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:14,800
And we went to the temple and the temple president came and talked to us for a while before and

809
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,080
told us that we had a baby girl coming.

810
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,400
And I sure enough had a baby girl in my tummy.

811
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:28,700
And it just was a really special experience that being in the same place on the anniversary

812
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:32,720
that she died was healing for us.

813
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,480
And we did it for quite a few years with that and invited family members and stuff.

814
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:44,760
And it just, to me, that was our way of just telling Heavenly Father, we're still here.

815
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,600
Thank you and keep helping us.

816
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:59,520
Well, thank you for sharing your story and the blessing of hope and the healing that

817
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,480
that offers to so many of our listeners, myself included.

818
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:09,200
I'm really, really thankful that you came and shared your experience with us today.

819
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:16,040
And you know, Scott will kind of help us conclude this, but I'd like to maybe just invite them,

820
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:22,440
Scott, when you're finished to maybe just share by, it just seems appropriate, the Spirit's

821
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:29,080
really strong here to end with something of a testimony in the name of Jesus Christ and

822
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:38,360
so grateful for Him and for all that He has given us, that He was so willing to come down

823
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:44,280
and knowing that we would have these experiences, no doubt knowing even before you had that

824
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:49,240
experience that you would have that experience and that He suffered it.

825
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:55,280
And grateful that you've been able to receive it.

826
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,520
It's there, but it has to be received.

827
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:04,160
And those who reject the gift, as we've talked about, not only reject the gift, they reject

828
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:09,960
the giver of the gift, Christ Himself.

829
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:16,360
And you're an amazing example of receiving that gift and the blessing that's been in

830
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,000
your life and in all of our lives who know you.

831
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,760
So thank you so much, Scott.

832
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:22,760
Thanks for being with us, you guys.

833
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,520
I hope you know how much I love you.

834
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:31,080
And thanks for being here and sharing with us something that can't be easy to share,

835
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:36,160
something that can't even be easy to relive like you must have to do even sometimes in

836
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:41,760
the quiet chambers of your own soul, you know, and to deal with the things that you've had

837
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,040
to deal with.

838
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,720
I appreciate our relationship.

839
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,520
I appreciate the experiences that we have had over the years.

840
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:54,680
Some of my most spiritual experiences have been in the same room with Jory and I appreciate

841
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:55,680
that.

842
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:56,680
Love you both.

843
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:57,960
Thanks for being with us today.

844
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,800
I know that you will have touched.

845
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,120
So we're going to conclude.

846
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,600
First we'll hear from Jory, then we'll hear from Andy if that's okay.

847
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:11,400
And upon conclusion, may you just know how much our listeners, how much we love you,

848
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:16,040
how much we appreciate your being a part of this with us today and always.

849
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:22,040
And we invite you to always remember that you have always been also been redeemed through

850
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,760
His blood.

851
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,880
If you'd like to get ahold of Mandy and Jory for whatever reason, we'd invite you to just

852
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:35,000
reach out to me or to David and I here at he redeems us at gmail.com and we will go

853
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,920
ahead and filter those through as is appropriate to them.

854
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:43,320
Okay, with that, Jory.

855
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:50,000
I first just express my gratitude for the opportunity to be here and be with you.

856
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:59,160
And as Scott mentioned, it is it is a lot to consider when asked, because we know every

857
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:06,080
time the roller coaster we're about to jump on of emotion and reliving experiences and

858
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,080
challenges.

859
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:14,000
But my testimony is one just ultimately of gratitude, because my next emotion right after

860
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:21,840
oh, you know, am I going to be able to do that again, and along with my sweet wife and

861
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:27,200
seen and knowing the emotion it brings up in her to share these experiences.

862
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:35,640
Immediately I go to gratitude for what the Lord has given me for the gift of the atonement

863
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,360
for the redeeming power I truly have been rescued.

864
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:44,400
I've truly been redeemed through his grace.

865
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:52,160
I've seen it directly in my day to day life and an overcoming challenges and given the

866
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:58,280
enabling power through our struggles and trials and this experience of losing our daughter

867
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,600
that we shared with you today.

868
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:10,440
But if nothing else, I just want to share ultimately my testimony of hope through him.

869
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:16,680
No matter where you're at and anyone listening, if there's nothing else I could give today,

870
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:22,960
it would be that gift of hope that knowing that through my experience with the Savior

871
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:28,760
and the atonement, he has given me the strength to overcome things that I never thought I

872
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:34,320
could overcome to get through trials that I never could have comprehended.

873
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:39,320
And in turn, taking me to places where I look at now and you mentioned, you know, elders

874
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,000
corn president and to me, I still like look at the point.

875
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,560
Wait, what you're talking to me, you know, that's that's me.

876
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:54,000
I look back and and there's no doubt in my mind, every fiber of my being knows why and

877
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,600
how.

878
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,000
I used to ask the question, how did I get here?

879
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:06,400
And that was one of beaten, bruised, torn through trials and decisions and challenges

880
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,280
and one of frustration.

881
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:15,720
Today my testimony is complete opposite of how did I get here?

882
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:21,440
And looking up and thanking my heavenly father for his son and for his grace and for the

883
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:26,080
joy I have each day and living with that and accepting that gift that he offers each and

884
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,080
every one of us.

885
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:35,200
And I just share that with you and in my testimony and gratitude for this opportunity and and

886
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:39,720
love of my sweet, incredible wife and the gift that she is to me.

887
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,400
And I do that in the name of Jesus Christ.

888
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:43,400
Amen.

889
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,640
Joy is much better at this than I am.

890
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:52,400
He's more of the he would like to shout his testimony from the rooftops and and he does

891
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,400
as much as he can.

892
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,160
And I'm more quiet about about it and a little bit more reserved.

893
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,960
But I'll admit it took a lot for me to get here.

894
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:03,160
Took a lot of joy, coercing me to get here.

895
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:08,240
I didn't I was scared to relive it.

896
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:17,640
But I've always been reminded that if I can help one person, it's worth it.

897
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:25,280
And I truly believe with all of my heart that we don't go through our trials to keep quiet

898
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:26,680
about them.

899
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:28,920
We go through our trials to help people.

900
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,280
And otherwise, what what is it worth?

901
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:37,080
You know, we we didn't go through this to hide and be quiet.

902
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,240
We went through it to be able to be there for other people.

903
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,560
And I'm grateful that I can see that perspective.

904
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:51,800
And I think, you know, Heavenly Father, I it's more subtle and inside of me, my testimony.

905
01:07:51,800 --> 01:08:01,680
But there's nothing that I there's nothing I hold more dear to my heart than my testimony

906
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:02,680
to our Savior.

907
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:11,000
And I'm so grateful that He is there for me and gets me through a lot of hard days.

908
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,920
It doesn't go away.

909
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,280
People always ask, you know, how long does it take to get over?

910
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,920
You don't it doesn't you don't get over it.

911
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,120
And I just know that my Heavenly Father has helped me every day and he helps me to know

912
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,600
the right thing to say to other people that are struggling.

913
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:32,800
And if I could help one person through this, it's all worth it.

914
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:41,640
And I just want to share that I know my Savior and Heavenly Father are aware of me and I

915
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:48,640
might not feel my daughter physically close to me, but I know she's around.

916
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:58,880
I know that she is cheering us on and I just want you to know that that we're here to help

917
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,600
each other through our trials.

918
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,760
We're not here to go through this alone.

919
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,080
And that's the Savior proved that to us.

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And I'm just really grateful for that.

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They say that the name of Jesus Christ, the name of Jesus Christ.