1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,040 Alright, hello everyone and welcome to Redeemed Through His Blood. 2 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,120 In this podcast we highlight the hope, healing and redemption that is available to all of 3 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,920 us through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,880 My name is Scott Durfee, it's my pleasure today to introduce my partner in this project, 5 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,880 our teacher, David Durfee. 6 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,600 Good morning everybody. 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,600 Good to have you here, Dave. 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,840 Getting a couple of real quick housekeeping items before we dive in today's topic, which 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,640 we are both very excited about. 10 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,960 We've been sitting here in preparation and probably have spent more time talking amongst 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,160 ourselves or talking between each other about the things that we're 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35 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,680 So enjoy that, participate with us there. 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,240 Tell your friends. 37 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,920 Last episode, we covered a lot of really important stuff as we started talking about the events 38 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:23,280 of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 39 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,520 And as we moved into the events of Jesus Christ, we're going to do a little bit of recap on 40 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:28,920 that here in just a few minutes. 41 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:33,720 But as we moved into the events of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we start to unfold a great 42 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:40,200 panoramic view of what's happening in the lives of those that are participating. 43 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:45,600 And more importantly, and most importantly, the life of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. 44 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:54,080 So, Dave, as we start diving into and in preparation for today's topic, in today's topic, I think 45 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:59,240 we're going to move to Golgotha and be dealing mostly with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. 46 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,520 But before we do that, would you mind just kind of summarizing and recapping some of 47 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,480 the things that were important from last episode? 48 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,880 Thank you, Scott. 49 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:14,800 Last time we talked about that sacred, holy experience of Jesus in Gethsemane. 50 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:26,320 And spoke much about how this infinite Atonement, what that means, and how it had to be a sacrifice 51 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,320 of blood. 52 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:38,080 And we spoke a lot about the blood that Jesus begins to spill and sacrifice for all the world. 53 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:45,280 And I've thought about that this past week a little bit, Scott, and it's just been impressed 54 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:56,040 upon my mind how often we sing about it in our sacrament services and how often we read 55 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,960 about it, how often we talk about it. 56 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:08,920 But sometimes we don't fully understand and appreciate what he did like we should. 57 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:15,320 And sometimes we read the words, we say the words, we speak about it, we sing about it, 58 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,280 and we sometimes don't let it go into our hearts. 59 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:27,840 And as I was singing the hymns this past week in sacrament meeting, that was impressed 60 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:28,960 upon me. 61 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:35,760 And I started to kind of review some of the sacrament hymns that we sing. 62 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:42,000 For example, hymn number 184, upon the cross of Calvary. 63 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:50,640 And verse one says, upon the cross of Calvary they crucified our Lord and sealed with blood 64 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,280 the sacrifice that sanctified His word. 65 00:04:54,280 --> 00:05:01,000 So notice the phrase, and sealed with blood the sacrifice. 66 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:08,120 Then in reverently and meekly now, very next hymn in the hymn book, reverently and meekly 67 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,760 now let thy head most humbly bow. 68 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:20,000 Think of me thou ransomed one, think what I for thee have done. 69 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:28,920 With my blood that dripped like rain, sweat in agony of pain. 70 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:35,440 With my body on the tree I have ransomed even thee. 71 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,760 Again the reference to the blood. 72 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:48,640 In verse one, hymn number 186, again we meet around the board of Jesus our redeeming Lord, 73 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:56,160 with faith in His atoning blood our only access unto God. 74 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:02,360 That's an interesting phrase, with faith in His atoning blood. 75 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:10,560 We speak of faith in Christ, we speak of faith in the name of Christ, and sometime we should 76 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,960 do an episode on the difference between those two. 77 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,760 Faith in Christ and faith in the name of Christ, because they're not the same thing. 78 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:19,760 No, they're not. 79 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,360 In fact we've got a lot of really great stuff that we can talk about when it comes to the 80 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,360 name. 81 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,000 We need to do that sometime. 82 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:34,920 But this is a unique and interesting phrase which I love, with faith in His blood, faith 83 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,640 in His atoning blood. 84 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,040 Well Scott, let's go through a few more as an example. 85 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,600 If you don't mind maybe reading for a minute. 86 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:49,000 Let's go over to hymn number 192 and read the second verse. 87 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,520 hymn number 192 which is, He died, the great redeemer died. 88 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,360 And why don't you read verse 2. 89 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,880 Come saints and drop a tear or two, for him who groaned beneath your load. 90 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:10,000 He shed a thousand drops for you, a thousand drops of precious blood. 91 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,760 And verse, Scott, one more maybe. 92 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,200 193 verse 1, I stand all amazed. 93 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:22,480 Yeah this is, might be my favorite hymn, I stand all amazed at the love Jesus offers 94 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,520 me, confused at the grace that so fully He proffers me. 95 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:34,880 I tremble to know that for me He was crucified, that for me a sinner He suffered, He bled and 96 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:35,880 died. 97 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,160 Oh it's wonderful that He should care for me, enough to die for me. 98 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,520 Oh it is wonderful, wonderful to me. 99 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,960 I had to throw that verse course in there because I think that's so. 100 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,680 We can all hear the music in our head as you read those. 101 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:56,440 And I just, I love the next hymn in the hymn book is there is a Green Hill far away and 102 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:04,560 in verse 4 it reads, Oh dearly dearly has He loved and we must love Him too. 103 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:13,360 And trust in His redeeming blood and try His works to do. 104 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,160 Well there's a lot to think about in that verse. 105 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:25,480 Trust in His redeeming blood is similar to having faith in His blood. 106 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,160 And the very next one, and I'll make this the last one, but there's others. 107 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:36,240 The last one that we'll read is one of my favorite sacrament hymns, How Great the Wisdom 108 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,880 and the Love, written by Eliza Arseneau. 109 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,360 Love this. 110 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:50,560 And she, such a great poet and hymn writer, verse 1, How great the wisdom and the love 111 00:08:50,560 --> 00:09:00,480 that filled the courts on high and sent the Savior from above to suffer, bleed and die. 112 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,880 It wasn't enough that he suffer. 113 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,480 He had to bleed and it wasn't enough that he just suffer and bleed. 114 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,600 Today we'll talk about his death. 115 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:18,080 The very next first line of the next verse or stanza there, His precious blood He freely 116 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,680 spilled, His precious blood He freely spilled. 117 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:24,400 I love that. 118 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:32,240 His life He freely gave, a sinless sacrifice for guilt, a dying world to save. 119 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:39,360 Well the theology, our theology in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, while 120 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:51,120 we sing it, while we read it, while we understand to some degree what it means, I don't know 121 00:09:51,120 --> 00:10:02,800 that we fully focus on it enough, Scott, which is it was a bloody sacrifice. 122 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:13,480 It was, it's His blood that as we spoke last time cleanses us, heals us, strengthens us, 123 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,880 ransoms us. 124 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:24,240 Such an important point of doctrine when we speak about Jesus Christ and His Atonement 125 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:29,920 and thus really the title of our podcast. 126 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,440 And Paul speaks about it, maybe we can turn to the scripture too. 127 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:35,440 Yeah, let's do that. 128 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:36,440 Is that okay? 129 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:37,440 Yeah, I think we should. 130 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,440 Just wrap this up then we'll move on. 131 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,160 Yeah, we're getting ready to dive into the scripture. 132 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,720 Just let me just really quickly add this. 133 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:55,880 So last week, which would be episode nine, go back there and go through the events of 134 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:01,320 Gethsemane and relive some of the things that we talked about in preparation. 135 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,280 You don't have to listen to the whole thing, but if you'll just take a few minutes and 136 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:09,280 go through and listen to the most poignant parts of last week's episode in preparation 137 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,920 for this week, because it really is a building one on the other. 138 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,320 These events run together. 139 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,120 They don't stand alone completely. 140 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,560 I mean, they are their own events, but they don't completely stand alone. 141 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:23,240 One is dependent on the other. 142 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:28,880 So Golgotha, where we're going today is really dependent on Gethsemane. 143 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,960 Gethsemane was really dependent on the life of the Savior. 144 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,240 And so as you see these things start building one on the other, it might be a good exercise 145 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,600 to go back and just kind of refresh. 146 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,560 Yeah, thank you, Scott. 147 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:52,480 Well, I mentioned being cleansed, being healed, being strengthened, ransomed. 148 00:11:52,480 --> 00:12:01,480 Paul in Romans chapter five, verses eight and nine, the, again, the attributes of Christ's 149 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,200 blood and the power of his blood in our lives. 150 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:12,840 But God commended his love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for 151 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:20,760 us much more than being now justified by his blood. 152 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:25,440 We shall be saved from wrath through him justified through his blood. 153 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:32,280 We've talked about being cleansed because of his blood, being healed through his blood, 154 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,240 being strengthened by his blood. 155 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:44,200 Now Paul says in Romans that we are justified by his blood and over in Hebrews, this is 156 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:55,960 Hebrews chapter 13 verse 12, many scholars believe Paul wrote Hebrews, many some think 157 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,040 that he didn't. 158 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,040 I think he did. 159 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,840 So I think that the author of this is Paul again in Hebrews chapter 13 verse 12. 160 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:17,160 It reads, wherefore Jesus also that he might sanctify the people with his own blood suffered 161 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:22,040 without the gate or outside the gate, which is Golgothon. 162 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:28,620 Actually, Golgothon, guess how many were both outside the walls or gate of Jerusalem. 163 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:33,380 So Paul teaches us two other principles of the power of the blood of Christ. 164 00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:38,320 The blood justifies us and it sanctifies us. 165 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:39,320 Scott? 166 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,760 Last week, I think it was last week, we just made real quick mention of what it means to 167 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:44,760 be justified. 168 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,860 And I just kind of want to touch on that real quick again, Dave. 169 00:13:48,860 --> 00:13:49,860 Justification. 170 00:13:49,860 --> 00:13:55,720 So we should all be probably semi familiar with justification on a Word document. 171 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,640 We have computers and we hit the justification. 172 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,880 And what does that mean when we justify a document? 173 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,080 What that means is we bring it into complete and proper alignment, right? 174 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,680 That means that anything that's just a little bit off gets brought back. 175 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:13,120 Anything that's a lot off gets brought back. 176 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:18,040 And so this justification through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, through his blood, as we've 177 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:24,160 been talking about, what that really does is it brings us back in alignment. 178 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,520 We talk about broken heart, we talk about contrite spirit, we talk about, and I've mentioned 179 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,680 these and I told you I probably would do it in all of our podcasts. 180 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,320 You know, the steps from recovery. 181 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,520 You know, I can't, he can't all let him. 182 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,360 That's basically the Reader's Digest version of it. 183 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:46,800 So what we are doing here as we're participating in our putting on the Atonement of Jesus Christ 184 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,920 through the administration of the Holy Spirit, which we've talked about in past episodes as 185 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:51,920 well. 186 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,760 But what we're really doing here is we're doing that as we are reaching this justification 187 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:01,680 through the blood of Jesus Christ, which brings us back into complete and proper alignment 188 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:02,680 with him. 189 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,600 Well, I really like that analogy, Scott. 190 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:13,640 In the Jewish law, and according to the meaning of justification in the Scriptures, it's kind 191 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,400 of a legal term. 192 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,240 It's a court term that you are justified before the judge. 193 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,320 And justified would then mean that you were absolved. 194 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:31,280 That you were, and I think in the spiritual meaning of the term, that you are forgiven. 195 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,440 You are forgiven. 196 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,560 You are justified of sin. 197 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:42,680 Sanctification, being sanctified in my way of thinking of it, as described in the Scriptures, 198 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,560 is that I am strengthened. 199 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,840 I am made holy. 200 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,480 I am enabled to keep the commandments. 201 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:58,200 And so I think justification means in the Scriptures, I love your analogy of being in alignment 202 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,560 because that's great. 203 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:09,160 But it literally means in the Gospel sense that I'm forgiven of sin and sanctified means 204 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,840 I have become holy. 205 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:11,840 Right. 206 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,400 So the justification comes before the sanctification, doesn't it? 207 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,400 I think it does. 208 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:16,400 Yeah. 209 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,400 Yeah, I do too. 210 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,400 Okay. 211 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:27,840 So today as we move on from the suffering of the Christ in Gethsemane and bleeding from 212 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:35,680 every pore and the important symbols of that, we move to what happens after. 213 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:41,240 And even before Golgotha, he suffered and blood was shed. 214 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,880 I didn't make this point, I think, strong enough last week. 215 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,960 I'm not even sure I said it at all. 216 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:54,000 But as a result of bleeding from every pore, Scott, Jesus would have experienced what is 217 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:04,320 called in the medical terminology, hematidrosis, if I'm saying that right, which literally 218 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:11,120 means he is blood, that bloody sweat, and that his capillaries, if he bled from every 219 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:17,960 pore, his capillaries, some veins, some arteries possibly, would have burst. 220 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:27,560 And blood oozing from every pore would have meant that his whole body, Scott, was bruised. 221 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,200 It means that he would have been dehydrated. 222 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:36,720 The loss of blood and fluids from every pore would have made him extremely hydrated. 223 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:37,720 Dehydrated. 224 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,720 Dehydrated. 225 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,920 Yes, thank you. 226 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:48,200 And he, any even, I think, touch would have been painful. 227 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,200 Would have been painful. 228 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:56,560 A kiss on the cheek from a betrayer would have caused him physical pain. 229 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:05,920 Anything after Gethsemane, any suffering after Gethsemane, was intensified because of Gethsemane. 230 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,160 Exponentially intensified. 231 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,880 Not even human comprehension. 232 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:16,440 We can't even begin to comprehend how intense that experience was. 233 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:27,000 I mean, the suffering of even the, my wife became dehydrated when we were in Egypt. 234 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,440 She became deathly ill. 235 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,920 I didn't understand, I don't think at the time how close I came to losing her. 236 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,260 And she was hallucinating. 237 00:18:41,260 --> 00:18:43,720 She was so nauseous. 238 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,000 She was so sick. 239 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,600 She was, it was really, really painful for her. 240 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:57,040 And I haven't experienced that, but those who have experienced dehydration knows how 241 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:03,560 painful that is and the illness that has come from that. 242 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:11,800 And I think that this idea of being bruised, bleeding from every pore, is really expressed 243 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:17,920 in Isaiah when he says, he is despised and rejected of men. 244 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,080 We read this last, what's the reference on this? 245 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,480 I'm reading it from the Book of Mormon. 246 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,200 It's, Benadig quotes Isaiah. 247 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:32,280 So I'm reading in Mosiah 14, verses three through five. 248 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:38,120 He is despised and rejected of men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. 249 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:41,460 And we hid as it were our faces from him. 250 00:19:41,460 --> 00:19:44,480 He was despised and we esteemed him not. 251 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,960 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows. 252 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:55,320 Yet we, we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. 253 00:19:55,320 --> 00:20:04,280 Verse five, but he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities. 254 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:10,120 The chastisement of our peace was upon him and with his stripes we are healed. 255 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:18,840 So this idea that everything after Gethsemane is intensified is important because of what 256 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,360 happened in Gethsemane. 257 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:29,440 And so here we go, this is where we start moving now into Golgotha. 258 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:37,720 This is where we start moving now into what happened on the cross and kind of a culmination 259 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:43,760 and completion of the painful part of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 260 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,560 And as we do this, you know, I think, Dave, there's, there's been a few situations in 261 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:55,680 my own life over the last few days where these things are so important to us. 262 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:04,360 And if we are careful about our observations of our own lives, often we can see we're heavenly 263 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:10,120 fathers allowing us to get glimpses of or a deeper understanding of or to have more 264 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:13,520 empathy towards a certain concept or situation. 265 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,000 And that certainly has been the case with me around what is going on in terms of the 266 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,600 events of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 267 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:27,760 Just real quickly, in summary, because of a position that I hold, I've been participating 268 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,880 in several challenges. 269 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:37,240 But there's victory in all of that so far because of the Atonement of Jesus Christ and 270 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:44,160 the ability of good saints, good people everywhere to internalize and understand the love and 271 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,360 the hope and the peace. 272 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:49,120 And I say peace because much of this is unresolvable. 273 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:53,360 Much of what I'm referring to will not be able to be resolved in this life. 274 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:59,880 There's just challenges and we go back to the effects of the fall and we realize and 275 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:05,240 we remember we talk about a spiritual and a physical death and everything that we experience 276 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,360 and suffer and challenges us in in this life, everything, whether it's emotionally or physically 277 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:14,080 or otherwise, is a direct result of that fall. 278 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:21,000 And as we start living our lives and as we go through our lives, we get real poignant, 279 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:27,520 real bright neon light reminders sometimes of how fallen we are because that's what life 280 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,520 is. 281 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:34,560 And as we get those reminders and as I, and as I invite others that I work with in various 282 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:40,120 capacities, I had a young man call me from another state recently who had been in attendance 283 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:47,800 to our institute class that we teach at BYU YSA Stake and he was just struggling. 284 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,800 He got in a new position. 285 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:55,400 He's going to be doing something really cool this summer and he was really doubting himself. 286 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:56,720 He was down on himself. 287 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,320 He was beating himself up. 288 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,920 He was just not, he just didn't feel right. 289 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:07,120 And he's dealing with some, some organic issues, mentally issues. 290 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:15,240 He's dealing with some OCD and some depression and some anxiety types of things. 291 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,240 And as we had this conversation the other day, he and I and talked about, and we both helped 292 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,080 each other remember who we were and we talked about if we can just not just remember who 293 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,560 we are, but remember what he did and who he is. 294 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:34,640 And I think as we focus on that and as we start focusing on the intense emotion and 295 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:40,720 the things that not only are about to take place because to me it feels like physically 296 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,880 the intensification of what's happening to Jesus Christ during this period of time is 297 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,040 just getting ridiculously off the charts. 298 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,200 Beyond anything that any of us could even begin to comprehend. 299 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,880 But as we put our minds there, as we put our hearts and our souls there, and I challenged 300 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,920 us in our last episode as we started getting into this, you know, in episodes two and three 301 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,360 we really talked about learning who we are and we talked about knowing him and how we 302 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,200 have to spend time in doing that. 303 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:16,480 Last week I challenged us to spend time here in Gethsemane and to spend time here at Golgotha 304 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,880 with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 305 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:24,120 And as we do so, consider the things that are troubling us because what we're about 306 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:30,120 to see is that no matter how bad the pain that we're feeling as a result of whatever 307 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:37,760 fallen state, whatever it is that we're feeling particularly fallen about right now, as a 308 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:43,720 result of the fall, if we'll put ourselves there at Gethsemane, there at Golgotha, and 309 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:49,880 participate in getting to know him there, our relief will come like it did to my friend 310 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,640 who called me the other day. 311 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,520 So that's great insight. 312 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,160 Thank you, Scott. 313 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,920 And what it brings to my mind is that I used to ask my students when we would read the 314 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:08,200 verses, all of the verses, I think there are six in the New Testament and there's twenty 315 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:14,800 something in the Book of Mormon, where Christ says, come unto me. 316 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:20,240 I used to ask my students, so when he says, come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy 317 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,640 laden, and I will give you rest. 318 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:23,640 Right? 319 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,200 Matthew 11. 320 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,040 Where is he? 321 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,880 If he's saying, come unto me, where is he? 322 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,000 He's inviting you to come where? 323 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,200 And they would say, first answer would be heaven. 324 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,800 I'd say, yeah, that's good. 325 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,160 That's awesome, but you're not going to die and go to heaven right now. 326 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,200 Can you come unto him here? 327 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,400 Where is he? 328 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,680 And they would say temple. 329 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,240 And that's a great answer. 330 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,320 They would say the mountains. 331 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,360 And I'd say, yeah, I love that. 332 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,200 You can definitely go to Christ in the mountains. 333 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,560 They would give lots of different answers and I loved all of them. 334 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,560 Yeah, you bet. 335 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:12,680 And then somebody would eventually say, he wants us to go to Gethsemane. 336 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,080 And I would say, there it is. 337 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:22,880 When he invites us to come unto him, it can be all those places for sure. 338 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:29,520 But the one that I think is most life changing and impactful in our lives is that when he 339 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:40,440 says, come unto me, this is a direct invitation to go to Gethsemane and to witness his suffering, 340 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:51,120 to follow him through the mockery of a trial, to see him betrayed and to see him in the house 341 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:55,560 of Caiaphas where they spit on him. 342 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:04,720 I think that's, I don't know why, but that one gets me to spit upon him and to slap him 343 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:10,000 and to disgrace him and to beat him up. 344 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,640 He wants us to see that. 345 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:17,760 When he says, come unto me, he wants us to see his suffering, to go to the cross when 346 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,080 he says, come unto me. 347 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,960 He's inviting us to go to the cross. 348 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:30,440 And as we do that today, I hope that will help our listeners to be able to view these 349 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:38,240 things in their minds, to not just appreciate them more, but from time to time, I think 350 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:46,760 daily and maybe moment by moment, as Jesus says, look unto me in every thought, that 351 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:53,480 we will think about Jesus and that we will keep his suffering before us as we celebrate, 352 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,640 of course, his life. 353 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,680 It's the living Christ that's the greatest symbol of our faith, the resurrected living 354 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,180 Christ. 355 00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:06,680 But after Gethsemane and his betrayal and a mockery of a trial where he is spit and slapped 356 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:12,440 upon and he's taken early in the morning, probably on Friday morning, early in the morning to 357 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:18,000 the Antonio Fortress where Pilate lives, the governor. 358 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,040 And then he goes through another mockery of a trial there, Scott. 359 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:29,200 He's disgraced by, I think, the offer that Pilate makes to the Jews, knowing it's the 360 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:35,000 feast of the Passover, the week of Passover, and he can offer one prisoner to go free. 361 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,880 And Pilate can't find Jesus guilty of anything. 362 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:45,960 So he offers Barabbas or Barabbas as they say it in Hebrew. 363 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:54,000 Barabbas who was a murderer, Mark and Luke say he was a murderer. 364 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,320 Definitely a bad criminal. 365 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:03,440 I think Pilate intentionally picked the most hardened, hated criminal of Jerusalem and 366 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:09,600 offered him to let him go free because he found Jesus to be guiltless. 367 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:18,880 And then the people choosing Barabbas over Jesus. 368 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,080 I think that's interesting, just that name. 369 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,840 Let's just Barabbas, right? 370 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,120 So let's go there for just a second, just pause for a second while we're talking about. 371 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,840 And let's just take this into consideration. 372 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,640 As we go through the Scriptures, there's so much in terms of symbolism. 373 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,000 There's so much light and shadow and all of that going on. 374 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,160 Here's something to consider. 375 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:48,800 Barabbas, the word Barabbas, Bar means son of, right? 376 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,840 And Abba means what again? 377 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,240 It means father. 378 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,480 We talked about that last week. 379 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,560 In fact, you even said that in the Garden of Gethsemane, Christ called out Abba. 380 00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,920 Right, daddy. 381 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:00,920 Daddy. 382 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,920 It is a intimate term for fathers. 383 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,480 It's a very intimate term for fathers. 384 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,480 So here we have the son of God or father, Barabbas. 385 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,240 Son of Abba father or master is literally what it means. 386 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:22,320 Son of father being set free so the son of God can set us free. 387 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,320 Yeah. 388 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,560 Yeah, the irony. 389 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,000 Yeah, really interesting, I think. 390 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,680 The irony of that. 391 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:37,880 So eventually the Jews began to chant, speaking of Jesus, crucify him, crucify him. 392 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:43,840 Pilots tried to get off the hook by sending him to Herod because Herod's in town. 393 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:52,000 Herod is the governor of Galilee and Pilate finds out Jesus is a Galilean being from Nazareth. 394 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:58,880 So he sends him to Herod, the governor of Galilee, who this is the son of the Herod who killed 395 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,920 all the babies when Jesus was born. 396 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,000 And Jesus won't speak to him. 397 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:12,720 This is the only individual we know of who asks Jesus a question and Jesus won't respond. 398 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:18,880 I think that says something maybe about the disdain that Jesus has for the family of Herod. 399 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,880 Herod. 400 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:26,480 Maybe I shouldn't say that, but for their actions at least, I think Jesus even loved. 401 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,400 Herod had John the Baptist put to death. 402 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,400 Yes, yeah. 403 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,400 Herod and Pilots. 404 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,400 So there was some feelings perhaps around that? 405 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,520 There's a whole family of Herods. 406 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,760 Herod's kind of a title. 407 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,880 I got you. 408 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,200 And so there's a whole family of them. 409 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,600 This is Herod Antipas and there was Herod Philip and Herod the Great as the father. 410 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:54,760 Anyway, he doesn't speak and they strip him there in front of Herod and put on a purple 411 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,840 robe to mock him. 412 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,960 And they send him back to Pilate. 413 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:06,320 And finally Pilate comes to the end of what he considers his options and washes his hands. 414 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,320 This is a tragedy. 415 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:17,560 I remember President Hinckley giving a quite a strong talk towards the weakness of Pilate, 416 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,360 the wickedness of Pilate in offering Jesus to the Jews. 417 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:29,880 But he finally turns Jesus over to the Jews and tells the Roman soldiers who he has power 418 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:38,560 over to scourge him and to crucify him following the wishes of the Jews. 419 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:50,840 So they scourge him, they strip him and they scourge him with 39 lashings of a catamnitell 420 00:32:50,840 --> 00:33:04,200 sort of whip with iron or sharp pieces of bone tied into the end of this whip. 421 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200 And that in and of itself would kill some people. 422 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,200 Oh yeah. 423 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,200 And that's because of the pain involved in the loss of blood. 424 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,720 Well you think about that. 425 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,760 Those bones or that flint or those pieces of metal or whatever it was that was tied into 426 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,280 that catamnitell would lay the body open. 427 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:26,240 I mean it would lacerate and just could lay you wide open. 428 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:38,880 And after suffering that for some time the cross was laid on his back and he started 429 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,280 to walk towards Golgoth outside the walls of the city. 430 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,680 And of course we know that he collapses. 431 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,560 I think what he's been through this is just before 9 a.m. and at 9 p.m. the night before 432 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,520 us when he went to Gethsemane. 433 00:33:52,520 --> 00:34:05,400 So in 12 hours he has suffered incomprehensibly and no wonder he collapses on the way to Golgotha. 434 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:12,760 And as someone comes forth I'd like to think he volunteered and came forth. 435 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:18,920 Seems as though maybe the Roman soldiers grabbed him as one of the spectators and made Simeon 436 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,840 carry the cross the rest of the way. 437 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:30,920 And they get to Golgotha and the Romans executed thousands of people by crucifixion. 438 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,160 Jesus isn't the only one. 439 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,040 He was one of thousands. 440 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:40,680 This was a form of torture as well as a tool of death. 441 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,200 And at 9 a.m. they crucified Jesus. 442 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:53,160 They nail him with these long nails in his hands, in his wrists. 443 00:34:53,160 --> 00:35:00,600 So there's four nails and then one nail through both of his feet. 444 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,880 One really long sharp nail through both of his feet. 445 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,760 Five nails. 446 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:17,160 And I only mention that because five has kind of become a symbol for Christians in regards 447 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,600 to the crucifixion and the atonement. 448 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,680 And when I see the number five I think about that. 449 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:25,680 Yeah, it's interesting. 450 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,680 Yeah. 451 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,800 Five is kind of a symbolic number of the suffering of Christ. 452 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:38,960 And he's nailed on the cross at 9 a.m. place between two thieves. 453 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,040 I think about their significance in that. 454 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:48,760 The humiliation and going to the depths has some conversation with them makes we know 455 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:55,040 Jesus made seven different comments from the cross. 456 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,840 Some of the ones that are the most touching to me or forgive them father for the they 457 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,880 know not what they do. 458 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,640 I love the one where he calls Mary fourth and John and he says, behold, speaking to 459 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,520 his mother, Mary, behold, my son. 460 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:19,480 And to John, he says, speaking of Mary, behold, my mother, his, his interest even on the cross, 461 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,360 Scott was not a self interest. 462 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,360 Right. 463 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:33,760 His interest was, was one of thinking of others, taking care of others, telling the talking 464 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:43,480 to the thieves and anyway, so it's on the cross where he suffers from 9 a.m. when he's 465 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,400 crucified until 12 noon. 466 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:53,080 And at 12 noon, this is when again, all hell breaks loose. 467 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,840 Yeah, literally, right? 468 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,280 And guess, 70 re occurs. 469 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:06,160 And this is, I'm, that's a quote from Elder Talmadge and Elder Mcconkey that on the cross 470 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:17,480 when 12 noon, when it goes dark, that guess, 70 re occurs intensified. 471 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,800 And so you think about this from 12 noon until 3 p.m. when he dies and there's an earthquake 472 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:30,480 at 3 p.m. when he dies, that all of guess, 70 and all the sins and sicknesses and infirmities 473 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:37,120 and spiritual death, basically, right spiritual death is pressed upon him as it was in guess, 474 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,640 70 intensified. 475 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:50,280 He cries out at 12 noon, my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me? 476 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:58,400 And now for three more hours all alone, he suffers again as he did in guess, 70. 477 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,200 It's worse. 478 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:06,920 And one reason it's worse intensified is because there's not an angel there on the cross to 479 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,000 strengthen him. 480 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,560 In guess, 70, he had Michael Adam there to strengthen him. 481 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:24,840 And here he is utterly quoting Elder Holland, utterly and completely all alone. 482 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,760 And for three more hours that goes on. 483 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:36,880 I, I was so thrilled, Scott, when President Nelson said these words in October, 2018, 484 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:42,320 he's teaching about the suffering and the torment of Jesus Christ and President Nelson 485 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:50,120 in his talk called the correct name of the church said, Jesus Christ was brutally reviled, 486 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,480 mocked, spit upon, and scourged. 487 00:38:53,480 --> 00:39:00,360 In the Garden of Gassemony, our Savior took upon him the pains, sins, and all of the anguish 488 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:07,920 and suffering ever experienced by you and me and by everyone who has ever lived or will 489 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,560 ever live. 490 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:15,640 Think about the infinite nature of the atonement as we spoke about last week. 491 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:23,960 And then he says this, under the weight of that excruciating burden, he bled from every 492 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,680 poor. 493 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:37,720 All of this suffering in guess, 70 was intensified as he was cruelly crucified on Calvary's cross. 494 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:47,560 And even Jesus himself, Scott, chooses throughout the scriptures to focus more on the cross 495 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,840 than he does upon Gassemony. 496 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:57,960 It seems like, I think for some time now, we've kind of focused our thoughts and our conversations 497 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,520 when we speak of his suffering to be in Gassemony. 498 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,800 I don't think that's really accurate and I don't think it's really pleasing to the Lord 499 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,280 as much as he suffered there. 500 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,760 Yeah, I would definitely agree with that. 501 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:18,440 He focused on the cross and we need to focus more on what happened on the cross and understand 502 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,000 that throughout the scriptures. 503 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,680 In the Doctrine and Covenants, for example, the book of the Restoration, in the Revelations, 504 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:34,520 there's only one place he refers to Gassemony in that section 19. 505 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:43,920 Six times in other sections, Revelations, he focuses on the cross and he says over 506 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:52,640 and over again, I was crucified for the sins of the world. 507 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:58,440 When he is in the Americas in the book of Mormon and he's getting to make his final 508 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:06,240 departure, Scott, and he's with his 12 disciples, the 12 apostles in the Americas. 509 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:14,240 In 3 Nephi, chapter 27, he says that he chooses to focus on the cross. 510 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:15,240 Yeah, let's do that. 511 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,760 Can we read that verse? 512 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:17,760 Yeah, yeah. 513 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,480 And while you're doing that, don't forget your train of thought there because I just 514 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,480 want to point a couple of things out. 515 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,040 Who was at the cross? 516 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:29,360 And this is important, we talked a few minutes ago about earlier in this episode, we talked 517 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,920 about we need to go there. 518 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,200 He said, come to me. 519 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,800 That's Gassemony, that's Golgotha, that's the atonement experience. 520 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:36,800 Who was there? 521 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,400 So let's just take a real quick consideration of who was at the cross. 522 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,800 We know we had men there, we had women there, we had Jews there, we had Gentiles there, 523 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,120 we had educated there. 524 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,120 Roman soldiers there. 525 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,520 Roman soldiers were there, the slaves, servants. 526 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,680 We had different races were there. 527 00:41:54,680 --> 00:42:00,800 We had educated, noneducated, we had religious, we had those that were not religious. 528 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,840 We had those that believed, those that didn't believe. 529 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,240 So wait a minute, I think I just described the human race. 530 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:10,400 We were represented there. 531 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,640 Somebody like us was there. 532 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,120 And we literally can go there ourselves. 533 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,080 And I think it's important that we do that, we go there ourselves. 534 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,760 We don't know what happened when it went really dark. 535 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,160 I mean that darkness would have been intense. 536 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,640 And I'll bet that people really became confused at 12 noon and I don't know how many stuck 537 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,880 around, I'm sure some did. 538 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:42,240 But I think about the chaos that may have caused and the fears that may have come upon 539 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,840 the people when it went dark at 12 noon. 540 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:51,600 And it was dark from 12 noon until 3 p.m. Scott and at 3 p.m. of course. 541 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,160 Well maybe before I, let me read this first. 542 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,480 Yeah, read this first and we'll get to that. 543 00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:04,840 So this is Jesus to his 12 disciples in the Americas, 3rd Nephi, chapter 27, verse 14. 544 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:14,040 And my father sent me, he says, that I might be lifted up upon the cross. 545 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:23,720 And after that I had been lifted up upon the cross, that I might draw all men unto me. 546 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:33,000 That as I have been lifted up by men, even so should men be lifted up by the father. 547 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:42,360 So this cross and what happens on the cross, Scott, is such a Jesus at least, chooses to 548 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:52,720 focus on that being the epitome, the climax, zenith of his suffering is what happens on 549 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:58,960 the cross and especially again the last three hours from 12 noon until 3 p.m. 550 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,160 And at 3 p.m. I believe there was an earthquake. 551 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,280 There's the chronology here, not everyone's in agreement with chronology. 552 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,040 But at 3 p.m. when he cries, it is finished. 553 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,760 I believe there was a great earthquake. 554 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,440 The rocks were rent. 555 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,000 There was great confusion then. 556 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,600 The veil was rent. 557 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,200 The veil of the temple was rent. 558 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,720 Torn, it was a heavy, it wasn't any small curtain. 559 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:33,320 That veil would have required several men to lift it. 560 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,440 Yes, yes. 561 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:42,280 And it was rent from top to bottom representing really that the atonement was made, the reconciliation 562 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:48,240 between God and man was made, was complete. 563 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:58,520 And Jesus cries out, into my hands, into thy hands I commend my spirit. 564 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,440 Anyway that is the death of Jesus. 565 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,720 When you talked about the earthquake, let's be clear, the earthquake isn't what's in 566 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:07,920 question, it's the timing of the earthquake. 567 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:08,920 Isn't that correct? 568 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:09,920 Yeah. 569 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,480 Okay, so we know there was an earthquake. 570 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:18,560 I think, Scott, let me just say, Mother Earth has a spirit. 571 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,040 We learned that in the Pearl of Great Price. 572 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:29,320 And even Mother Earth has to turn away from this suffering in the last moments of his 573 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,000 suffering just before he dies. 574 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:39,720 Mother Earth has to turn, and I think there's this internal struggle in the earth that causes 575 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,360 this massive earthquake. 576 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:48,000 Well you think about it, you know, Jesus Christ is the light and the life of the world. 577 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000 Creator of it. 578 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,960 And everything in it is subjected to him. 579 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,640 And everything was created spiritually before it was created physically, so we know the 580 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,200 spirit is there. 581 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,080 If Jesus Christ is the light and the life of the world and he has the ability to have 582 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:08,560 that effect there on Mother Earth, why can't that effect be placed here? 583 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,240 I have a quote, and this is what he says. 584 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:14,360 His heart, excuse me, let me start over. 585 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,520 This is by Spurgeon, an old Bible scholar. 586 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,600 I don't know much about him, but this is what he says. 587 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,280 Protestant minister, preacher. 588 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,080 Okay, this is what he says. 589 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,840 He says, Men's hearts did not respond to the agonizing cries of the dying redeemer. 590 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,080 And let's think about that, that still applies today. 591 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,280 You know, maybe still men's hearts in many occasions, and maybe when I say men's hearts, 592 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,400 I'm talking about me and you. 593 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,280 And when I say me and you, I'm talking about you. 594 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,880 All of you who are listening, male, female, young, old, it doesn't matter. 595 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,960 But if men's hearts did not respond to the agonizing cries of the dying redeemer, but 596 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:54,480 the rocks responded, the rocks were rent, he didn't die for rocks yet. 597 00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:00,480 Rocks were more tender than the hearts of men for whom he had shed his blood. 598 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,880 Interesting, you know. 599 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,440 And as we go there and as we think about, okay, why is that the case? 600 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:13,840 Remember the one thing that we have that Heavenly Father doesn't own is our agency. 601 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:20,920 And it's our agency that will align us with Mother Earth, with the rocks who actually felt 602 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:26,200 the effects of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, or it's our agency that will preclude us from 603 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,200 doing that. 604 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:34,720 And so there's wherein lies our choice, our free agency to embrace and heal or to ignore 605 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:35,880 and stay in our misery. 606 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:41,560 Yeah, I love that quote and your insights on that, Scott. 607 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,280 Thank you for sharing it. 608 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:52,200 Finally, as we probably wrap this up and think of his last few moments on the cross, I think 609 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:59,880 it's important for us to not only remember what happened, and we'll start in the next 610 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:06,400 episodes, begin to talk about why it happened and the effects of the Atonement. 611 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,640 We're kind of winding up, not yet. 612 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,640 We need to talk about that. 613 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,160 Well, we can tie in some of the effects when we get into the Garden of Guess. 614 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,480 Well, next time we'll probably talk about the death and resurrection of Jesus, which 615 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,840 is part of the Atonement and the continued events of the Atonement. 616 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,080 So as we finish up the events of the Atonement, we're going to soon move into the effects 617 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,080 of the Atonement. 618 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:33,360 But I think there's another question, not just what happened or why it had to happen, 619 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:39,920 or what it covered, but who caused it? 620 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:51,680 I think this is the ultimate humbling question, Scott, to ponder, is who really caused it? 621 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:56,680 I remember when Mel Gibson made his movie The Passion, there was a great, oh, there 622 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:06,240 was a real internet divisive debate going on about he kind of, at least the interpretation, 623 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:07,560 I never saw the movie. 624 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,800 But the interpretation that I guess was kind of put on it, the spin that was put on it, 625 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,760 was that the Jews had crucified him and caused the death of Jesus. 626 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:27,840 And I can understand how that plot could be good in a movie and how he could take that 627 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,440 position. 628 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,880 But some said, no, the Romans caused the death of Jesus. 629 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,280 And it's gone back and forth, I think, for hundreds of years. 630 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,200 Who killed Jesus? 631 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:50,240 This is so precious that Nephi captured in 1 Nephi chapter 9, 7 and 9. 632 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,600 I'm going to read verses 7 and 9, Scott. 633 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:54,600 In what chapter? 634 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,800 In 1 Nephi chapter 19. 635 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:08,720 Nephi captures this and he had seen this in his vision in 1 Nephi chapter 11. 636 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:17,760 But he says here, For the things which some men esteem to be of great worth, both to the 637 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:24,240 body and soul, others said it not, and trample under their feet. 638 00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:32,000 They, even the very God of Israel, do men trample under their feet? 639 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,800 I say trample under their feet? 640 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,720 But I would speak in other words. 641 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:46,440 They set him at naught, and they hearken not to the voice of his councils. 642 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:58,880 Verse 9, And the world, because of their iniquity, shall judge him to be a thing of naught, wherefore 643 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:06,720 they, meaning the world, scourge him, and he suffereth it. 644 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:12,800 And they, the world, smite him, and he suffereth it. 645 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:24,000 Yea, and they, the world, spit upon him, and he suffereth it. 646 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:32,760 Because of his loving kindness, and his long suffering towards the children of men. 647 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:43,000 I read those verses, and I know I played a role in this, unfortunately, sadly, I played 648 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:51,320 a role all of us did in the suffering of Jesus Christ. 649 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,320 Nobody could cause that. 650 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,480 He was willing to suffer it. 651 00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:05,480 For me, for you, for all of those, as President Nelson said, for everyone who ever has, or 652 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:13,320 who is living, or who will ever live upon this earth, were the ones that caused the 653 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:21,240 suffering of Jesus, and he willingly, and for joy, he did it out of joy. 654 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:26,040 Because he loved us, was willing to do that for us. 655 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,520 So who caused the suffering? 656 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,040 Yea, we did. 657 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,040 The world. 658 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,040 Yea. 659 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,040 Me and you. 660 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,040 Me and you. 661 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,040 Me and you. 662 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,040 And that's where my focus needs to be, is what did I do? 663 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,760 You know, as I'm thinking about, and that's my invitation for all of us, right? 664 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,360 Think about it, this week, it's going to be a difficult one. 665 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:52,040 It really is difficult to consider, because it requires transparency, and inner honesty, 666 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:58,320 the likes of which very few of us ever have the courage or the wherewithal to dive into. 667 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,680 But literally, we should be asking ourselves, you know, if we truly want to heal from whatever 668 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,320 it is we're seeking healing from, if we truly want to repent, which is literally to turn 669 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,560 away from that which is not like Him, and turn towards Him, and embask in His light, 670 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,120 enjoying the peace and harmony of the Spirit that comes with that, if we're really going 671 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,960 to experience that, these things are important. 672 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,240 If we're going to overcome our addictions, if we're going to move past the divorce, if 673 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:29,880 we're going to move past those things that from the fall tip us over, the death of a 674 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:37,480 loved one, the unexplained separation of relationships, etc. 675 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,400 It requires a deep consideration from all of us. 676 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,960 You know, we need to ask ourselves. 677 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:47,400 I'm going to ask myself again, and I do this, I participate in this exercise regularly, 678 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,280 as a personal inventory, but where do I scourge Him? 679 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,880 Where have I smitten Him? 680 00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:03,400 Where in a not a literal sense, but a figurative sense, do I spit on the teachings of the principles 681 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,880 of the life of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ? 682 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,200 And it's important for us to have those considerations, Dave. 683 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:16,760 It takes real understanding, I think, of the suffering of Jesus to be able to really 684 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:23,440 experience, Scott, the broken heart and contrite spirit required for each of us to repent. 685 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:28,480 It takes that level or depth of humility. 686 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:36,920 And too many times in my own life, I have had to cry out, I am so sorry. 687 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:46,080 I am so sorry for the suffering that I have caused my Savior and Redeemer and tried to 688 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:55,360 express that to my Heavenly Father and to my Savior, you know, the level and depth of 689 00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:05,240 my sorrow and my depth and level of my gratitude to know that He was willing to suffer and 690 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:08,360 die just for me. 691 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:17,800 And in my concluding, my part on this episode, Scott, I just want to briefly testify in the 692 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:28,000 name of Jesus Christ that I know that what we have talked about in regards to the Atonement 693 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,480 of Jesus Christ thus far is true. 694 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:41,240 I know with an eye of faith I have seen the suffering of Jesus in Gethsemane, the suffering 695 00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:47,920 throughout his life, the suffering in his temptations, the suffering of bleeding from 696 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:55,960 every pore, the suffering of betrayal, the suffering of abuse, the suffering on the cross 697 00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:02,240 when he experienced spiritual total darkness. 698 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:08,880 And I testify that I know that these things are true. 699 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:17,680 And I pray that all of us with an eye of faith will ponder these things daily, that when 700 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:24,600 we partake of the Holy Sacrament, that we will remember these things and ponder these 701 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:35,680 things and express more often and with greater humility and gratitude what we know, and that 702 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:42,480 we will repent, which we'll talk more about in future episodes as well. 703 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:50,760 So that's my prayer and my testimony of what we have said and what I know to be true. 704 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,400 And I say it in the name of Jesus Christ. 705 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,760 Thanks so much, Dave. 706 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,880 You know, there is absolutely nothing. 707 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:04,480 The things that we are talking about are paramount to absolutely everything conceivable, even 708 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,560 everything inconceivable. 709 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:12,920 There are paramount importance because without the things that we're talking about here, 710 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,680 without the Atonement of Jesus Christ, without the fall, without understanding who we are, 711 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:23,000 who's we are, the infinite nature of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 712 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:29,720 Where it's stretched into pre-mortal life and stretches in from there into eternity, 713 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:34,120 you know, without beginning, without end, really. 714 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,560 So important yet is so easy for me. 715 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:43,120 And I know I'm not alone because I'm not the only natural man around here. 716 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:49,600 But it's so easy for me sometimes to get distracted, to forget, to be focused on something that 717 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:56,560 is besetting me, to focus on whatever it is the effects of the fall are having on me that 718 00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,440 day or that moment or that time in my life. 719 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:06,800 If I can focus and maintain my focus on the things that we're talking about now, the events 720 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:12,880 of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and move that focus as we do that into the effects, 721 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,680 the healing effects, literally the balm of Gilead. 722 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:22,240 As we start moving into the balm and the healing and the effects of the Atonement of Jesus 723 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:28,360 Christ, we bring with us our hope, we bring with us our healing, we bring with us our 724 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:34,600 ability to share in ways that are acceptable, in loving ways to those that we love, the 725 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:41,120 hope and the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is centered on His Atonement, 726 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:46,480 on the ability for us to be healed from everything and anything. 727 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:52,320 And literally anything that the fall, that this life can put upon us. 728 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,040 I just want to end with this. 729 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,960 We started the podcast today by reading words from a few hymns. 730 00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:03,920 I'm going to read the words from, there is a green hill far away. 731 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:10,560 This is 194 in the hymnal, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints hymnal, page 194. 732 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:16,360 There is a green hill far away without a city wall where the dear Lord was crucified, 733 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,760 who died to save us all. 734 00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:24,160 We may not know, we cannot tell what pains he had to bear, but we believe it was for 735 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,280 us. 736 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,360 And I might say it was for me. 737 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,400 He hung and suffered there. 738 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:34,920 There was no other good enough to pay the price of sin, he only could unlock the gate 739 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,720 of heaven and let us in. 740 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,080 Oh dearly, dearly has he loved. 741 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:48,840 And we must love him too and trust in his redeeming blood and try his works to do. 742 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,840 Great day. 743 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,720 We are grateful that you've been here with us. 744 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,960 I must also testify of the truthfulness of the changing effects of the atonement of Jesus 745 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:57,960 Christ. 746 00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:58,960 I've lived it. 747 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,800 I'm constantly living it. 748 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:07,000 It has made my life into much, much more than I could have ever made of it myself. 749 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,760 What I made of it myself was an absolute train wreck. 750 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:16,480 When I invited him back into my life, when I began to notice where my scourging, where 751 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:22,360 my smiting, where my spitting upon him was actually literally and figuratively taking 752 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:27,680 place, once that discovery was made, a solution was put back into place to me. 753 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,680 My life has never been the same. 754 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,200 And I'm grateful for that today. 755 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:39,520 And I invite, if you are struggling in any way, this hope, this promise is universal. 756 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:40,520 It's universal. 757 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,320 It's infinite and it's universal. 758 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,280 It's for all of us. 759 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,760 Please remember, he redeems us at gmail.com. 760 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,560 Send us your comments, your stories, your questions. 761 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,840 We will entertain those that we can here on the podcast. 762 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,840 And also remember to visit our social media pages. 763 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,800 They are the same name as the podcast. 764 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,960 Redeem through his blood on Facebook as well as Instagram. 765 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,720 We want to give a special thanks to Shari Curtis for helping with our social media. 766 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,280 Thank Ann Matthews for our piano music and our music. 767 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,480 We want to thank Taylor Durfee who has helped us with our logo. 768 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:21,560 And finally, Mr. Joseph Brickie who has graciously allowed us to use his beautiful artwork as 769 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,480 part of our logo. 770 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,880 We look forward to being with you again next week. 771 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,680 Please remember that he loves you. 772 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,880 Please remember that he is deeply aware of every detail of your life. 773 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,680 Please remember that he is not surprised by anything that is going on in your life and 774 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,840 he is not mad at you. 775 01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,840 He invites you to fill his love. 776 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,640 We invite you to do the same. 777 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,240 We look forward to being with you next week. 778 01:01:46,240 --> 01:02:12,240 Until then, take care.