1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Well, hello everyone and welcome to Redeem Through His Blood podcast where we discuss 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,760 hope, healing and redemption through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,880 I'm Scott Durfee and it's my pleasure to introduce my partner in this project, our 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,880 teacher, brother, David Durfee. 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:21,880 Thank you, Scott. 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:30,960 So nice to be able to talk about these sacred points of doctrine concerning our Savior and 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:31,960 Redeemer. 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,800 We've got some really great stuff to talk about once again today, but so let's just 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,960 take care of a couple of things real quickly here. 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,240 First off, I just wanted to give thanks to everybody who's been sending us emails or 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,240 texts or whatever. 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,760 He redeems us at gmail.com. 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,520 That is, he redeems us at gmail.com. 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,440 Again, we encourage your questions and comments and appreciate them very much. 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,600 And speaking of questions and comments through, he redeems us at gmail.com. 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:58,760 This is a letter that we got. 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:04,680 This is one of our listeners, Dave, that sent this to us after one of our sessions on the 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,680 fall of all. 19 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:11,760 And this person writes the following, I learned so much and honestly feel so liberated and 20 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:12,760 hopeful. 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,720 I've realized, much like others, I'm sure, that my focus and understanding and identity 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,520 as a child of God was misguided and misunderstood. 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:28,160 I've always focused much on working towards perfection and eliminating all in my humanness 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:34,600 and weakness and being resentful at my afflictions and shortcomings and feeling so much worry 25 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,640 and anxiety because I just can't seem to get it right ever. 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:44,280 I now feel like I'm kind of starting to, in quotation marks, get it. 27 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,560 And that is certainly taking a bit of a load, so to speak, off of me. 28 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,960 I know I need to continue to learn and improve, but now I feel like I can stop focusing on 29 00:01:53,960 --> 00:02:00,560 getting it right and instead focus on putting on the atonement of Jesus Christ. 30 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Anyways, thank you. 31 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:09,160 And that awesome, Scott, I love that communication and I actually know who that person is and 32 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,680 love her. 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:16,080 And I'm so thankful that she would share that with me and I had someone else call me that's 34 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:24,480 close to me and share with me that they had never considered ever thanking God, our Heavenly 35 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:33,560 Father, for the fall and for their weakness and kind of how liberating that was for them. 36 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:42,360 But he made these things not only possible, Scott, but essential in our lives, meaning 37 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:49,960 mortality, the fall, sin and weakness, is all part of what not only he knew we would 38 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:56,960 experience, but what he wanted us to experience in order to really not only experience opposition 39 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,760 in our life because of the law of opposition of all things, but to also strengthen us. 40 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:08,920 I love how Paul describes in the New Testament that out of weakness I am strong. 41 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:15,480 And the reason he can say that is because shortly before and after he bears testimony 42 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:23,320 that his weakness allows him to focus on a Savior and Redeemer whose atoning sacrifice 43 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,320 can strengthen him. 44 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:32,640 And I know that God gives unto man weakness as Moroni taught in Ether chapter 12 that 45 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:39,760 man was given weakness by loving God and that through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, by 46 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:47,960 humbling ourselves, relying and depending upon a Redeemer, that weak things can become 47 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:48,960 strong. 48 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,440 None of us are good enough. 49 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:57,400 None of us can do enough in this life to be able to earn redemption. 50 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:03,280 We believe in a gospel of redemption, not assimilation. 51 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,480 It is not about putting on perfection. 52 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,080 It's about putting on Christ. 53 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,360 That's what we should be focused on. 54 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,320 And today I'm thankful we can talk more about the events of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 55 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,320 Thanks for your letters. 56 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:19,800 Thanks for your emails. 57 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,040 Thanks for your correspondence. 58 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,040 We're really grateful for those. 59 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,160 And you know, maybe we could do that. 60 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,640 Maybe I could just invite our listeners, those of you who would be willing to. 61 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,560 Would you mind just sending us an email and just letting us know that how being thankful 62 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,840 for the fall of us all has and being really being able to embrace that maybe you could 63 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:46,640 just share with us some experiences in your own life, how that that change in thinking 64 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:52,360 or that change in approach in your life has changed you or maybe made things better or 65 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,880 more understanding or easier to deal with. 66 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,720 If you wouldn't mind doing that, that'd be awesome. 67 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,400 Again, he redeems us at gmail.com will protect your identity, of course. 68 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,400 But if you wouldn't mind sending that way to appreciate that. 69 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,960 So again, encourage also any other questions. 70 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,120 We've had some great questions. 71 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,560 We're over past weeks. 72 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,800 We've had some great questions. 73 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,680 If you have questions, don't hesitate to send those to us. 74 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,720 We'll do our best to get to those as well. 75 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:23,280 So we just concluded Dave, a great segment last podcast. 76 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:29,040 As we begin to talk about the effects of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and we ended, 77 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:36,080 I believe, with the quote from C.S. Lewis about how being Heavenly Father and being 78 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Jesus Christ, in fact, it was specific to Jesus Christ, but how being Jesus Christ 79 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,680 and being perfect and going through what he did actually helped increase his understanding 80 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:51,720 of the turmoil, the torments, the transgressions, the sins, everything of this world because 81 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,360 of his sinless life. 82 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,920 We spent a great deal of time talking about his sinless life, that because of that, that 83 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:04,520 allowed him to sucker us more fully, which was just one component of the Atonement of 84 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:05,520 Jesus Christ. 85 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,920 Now, as we start moving into more of the traditional thinking, the more when we think of the Atonement 86 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:16,600 of Jesus Christ, typically, if I were to say to somebody in my Sunday school class, say, 87 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,000 what do you think of when you think of the Atonement of Jesus Christ? 88 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,080 Inevitably, three things are going to come up. 89 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,400 We're going to talk about the Garden of Gethsemane. 90 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,040 We're going to talk about the Cross and Golgotha, and we're going to talk about the Garden 91 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,080 and the Resurrection. 92 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,880 Among other things, but those three things will be common denominators every time we 93 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,800 say what are we going to talk about when we talk about the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 94 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:41,160 So today, we're going to start focusing, Dave, on the events of the Atonement of Jesus Christ 95 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,720 as we move into those types of things. 96 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,280 So where do we start? 97 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:55,000 Well, so the Sinless Life was our last episode, and I want to just remind everyone, not only 98 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:03,920 does it allow him to sucker us, but we should feel greater compassion, love, gratitude for 99 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:09,200 him for what he suffered in his temptations. 100 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:18,520 It just softens my heart when I think about this holy, innocent, pure being, Jesus Christ 101 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,920 being attacked by Satan and his legions. 102 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:29,000 There's just something about that that gives me greater compassion and love for Jesus, 103 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:35,120 and it helps me to feel closer to him and to strengthen my relationship with him and 104 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:43,120 to trust in him more because I know that all the temptations I suffer, he suffered and 105 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,920 even more. 106 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:54,040 So let's move from there, Scott, from his Sinless Life to the last week of his life. 107 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,000 Dave, before you do that, can I just interrupt you real quick? 108 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,040 There's something that's come to my mind, I think, that I need to just say. 109 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:07,240 As we start moving into these types of things, we need to remember, and I really believe 110 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,280 we do need to remember this. 111 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:14,440 In our first few episodes, we spent a great deal of time on our identity, and we talked 112 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:21,080 about how important it is that we spend time with him, Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father, 113 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,760 through the Spirit of the Holy Ghost, that we spend time with them so that we can know 114 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:25,760 them. 115 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,000 We talked about familial relationships. 116 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,440 I recalled and related stories about your father, my grandfather, and how I knew him, 117 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,040 and because I knew him and was close to him, I knew a lot of how he would behave. 118 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:43,720 And I still sometimes today draw on what would grandpa say or what would so and so say that 119 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,120 I knew before. 120 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,800 That knowing, though, required a big investment of time on my part. 121 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,840 I needed to spend time with him. 122 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:58,360 So this is my invitation as we start to move into the events of the Atonement of Jesus 123 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,440 Christ. 124 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:05,200 This is my invitation that we take this opportunity to really get to know him there. 125 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,760 We've gotten to know him through his ministry. 126 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,880 We have gotten to know him through his teachings. 127 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:18,200 But let's really get to know him in this scenario, in this situation, because knowing 128 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,720 him here will save us forever. 129 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,040 And so, Dave, having said that, didn't mean to interrupt you there, but I think that was 130 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,600 an important thing for me to at least put out there. 131 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,560 No, thank you, Scott. 132 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:38,280 Hopefully, as I mentioned in our last episode, our readers will take some time. 133 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:45,120 I'm really, it would be my greatest desire that the purpose of these podcasts are to 134 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:53,920 help our readers to be more interested or motivated, to move into the Scriptures and 135 00:09:53,920 --> 00:10:00,080 to study some of these events and points of doctrine for themselves. 136 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:08,400 Well, the last week of Jesus' life began when he comes to Jerusalem to celebrate Passover, 137 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:14,160 which I believe he did every almost year of his life. 138 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,640 We know Mary and Joseph took him there when he was 12. 139 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,520 And maybe he did that every year of his life. 140 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,440 We just don't have any record. 141 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:28,880 We know that in his ministry, we have two of the three years recorded that he went to Jerusalem. 142 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,160 I think he did all three years. 143 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,280 It's just not recorded. 144 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:38,120 But this is his final year, and he goes to Jerusalem in the spring of the year, probably 145 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:46,360 the beginning of April sometime, and he goes there to celebrate this great feast of the 146 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:53,800 Jews we call Passover, which is, of course, as we're studying the Old Testament. 147 00:10:53,800 --> 00:11:00,640 Most of the church is familiar with Passover and what that means, that the Jews as slaves 148 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:11,360 in Egypt were counseled by Moses that if they would put the blood of a lamb on their doorposts, 149 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,280 that the destroying angel would pass by them. 150 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,320 That's what Passover really means. 151 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,960 That's what it celebrated. 152 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:28,320 And all of that was to point toward to be a type and shadow and symbol for Jesus Christ 153 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:37,880 and the Lamb of God and how his blood would allow the destroying angel, Satan, to pass 154 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:47,400 us by or how the blood of the lamb would save and redeem us as children of God. 155 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:54,560 So he goes to Jerusalem to celebrate this, stays in Bethany and in the evenings with 156 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:59,760 Mary, Martha, Lazarus, their family, his disciples. 157 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,760 We know that his mother Mary is there and several friends. 158 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,720 And he goes back and forth each day. 159 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:12,480 Wednesday he probably stays home and stays close to his family all day. 160 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:20,120 And then it's on Thursday that he goes into Jerusalem to actually participate in the feast 161 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:27,320 of the Passover and participates in what has become known as the Last Supper with his disciples 162 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,160 in the upper room. 163 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:34,640 We talked about this when we described the events of Easter week, Scott, when he washed 164 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:43,880 the feet of his disciples, including Judas, and gave them some of the best teachings of 165 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,880 Jesus were saved, I think. 166 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:55,760 It's gratefully recorded by John during that meeting or that Last Supper. 167 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:02,200 Judas leaves, the betrayer has been identified and he's left and they sing of him. 168 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:08,800 And then they leave the upper room and walk through the streets of Jerusalem. 169 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,600 They walk outside the city gate of Jerusalem. 170 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,320 So now they're outside the walls of Jerusalem. 171 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:16,720 What time of day are we talking here? 172 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,400 This is nine o'clock at night. 173 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:19,400 So it'd be dark? 174 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,400 Dark. 175 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,400 Yep. 176 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:22,560 Would it be dark? 177 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:25,240 And what time of year would it be about springtime? 178 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,240 Yep. 179 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,960 So the temperature would be cool, probably a cool dark evening. 180 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:37,400 And they walk outside the walls of the city of Jerusalem and they walk across the little 181 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:46,040 Kidron Valley and to the base of the Mount of Olives on the east side of the city. 182 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:52,680 And where there are olive trees and where there was a garden called Gethsemane, where 183 00:13:52,680 --> 00:14:01,760 there was probably a press, oil press, a press that would crush the olives and the 184 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:13,640 olive oil would ooze out of this huge vat where stones would be used to crush the olives, 185 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,560 including the pits. 186 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:19,520 And this olive oil, olive oil is such a great symbol. 187 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:26,800 The olive leaf is a symbol of peace and olive oil is a symbol in the scriptures of light. 188 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,920 That's the source of their light from their candles that they would use. 189 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,640 And it's a source of healing. 190 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,320 Olive oil was a great source of healing. 191 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:43,940 So this was a place, I believe, Scott, where Jesus must have frequently visited. 192 00:14:43,940 --> 00:14:49,520 Every time he was probably in Jerusalem, I think he possibly went to the Garden of Gethsemane. 193 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,720 He contemplated what would happen there at the end of his life. 194 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,280 He might have prayed. 195 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:59,360 There must have been a beautiful little spot where he was secluded, where he could have 196 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:05,000 some solitude and where he could meditate and pray. 197 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:11,240 And this night he would pray, but there would be no solitude. 198 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:17,040 There would be no real peace for Jesus this night in Gethsemane. 199 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:22,120 He leaves Peter, James, and John. 200 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,000 It's recorded as stones cast away. 201 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:31,400 So maybe, I don't know, you could throw a stone further than I can, Scott, but maybe 202 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,560 fifty yards and he goes further into this garden. 203 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,680 It's recorded in Matthew. 204 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:45,880 I think I want to maybe read this, is that this is the way Matthew records it. 205 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:52,480 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee and began to be very sorrowful 206 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,120 and very heavy. 207 00:15:55,120 --> 00:16:00,600 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death. 208 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,240 Terri ye here and watch with me. 209 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:10,240 And he went a little further and fell on his face. 210 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:20,160 It's pretty descriptive of how sorrowful and heavy it already was for him as he contemplated 211 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,760 what would happen there that night. 212 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:32,680 That he would begin, I stress the word begin, to take upon himself the sins, the addictions, 213 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:41,040 and all of the negatives, all the pain, all the sorrow, all of the separation, everything 214 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,040 that was because of the effects of the fall. 215 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:51,240 You imagine how heavy he felt as he fell on his face. 216 00:16:51,240 --> 00:17:00,560 So in that state, and he three times he prays, he goes back to his disciples, they're sleeping, 217 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:05,000 he goes back again and prays, and then he goes back to his disciples, they're sleeping. 218 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,920 So he actually offers three different prayers. 219 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,600 Luke records in Luke 22 that he knelt. 220 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:18,480 So in one of the prayers he kneels, as Matthew describes it, he fell on his face. 221 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,240 He's laid out in this particular prayer in Matthew. 222 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:29,880 And he prays, and his prayer consistent in the Gospel writers, the one common line they 223 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:38,000 all use is that he cries out, if there be any other way, if there be any other way. 224 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:46,280 I wanted to read what, how Mark describes the words of his prayer, how poignant, how 225 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,080 personal, how tender his prayer is. 226 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:57,160 This is in Mark chapter 14, verses 32 through 36. 227 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,600 They came to a place which was named Gethsemane. 228 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:09,360 Gethsemane, Scott means, it's an Aramaic word that literally means oil press. 229 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:14,680 So there must have been an olive oil press there, and that's where it gets its name. 230 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:22,480 And as you think about the press and the sins of all the world pressing upon him and him 231 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:34,720 literally being crushed, Scott, and hope and healing and light oozing out as his blood 232 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,520 oozes out of every pore, which we'll talk about in just a minute. 233 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,080 But he goes to Gethsemane. 234 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,440 This is back to Mark. 235 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:48,320 And he saith to his disciples, Set ye here while I shall pray. 236 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,720 And he taketh with him Peter and James and John and began to be sore amazed and to be 237 00:18:53,720 --> 00:19:00,160 very heavy and saith unto them, My soul is exceedingly sorrowful unto death, terry ye 238 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,000 here in watch. 239 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:10,680 And he went forward a little and fell on the ground and prayed that if it were possible 240 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:21,480 the hour might pass from him, and he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto 241 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,160 thee. 242 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,920 Take away this, come from me. 243 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:36,160 Nevertheless, not what I will, but what thou wilt. 244 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:43,520 This is precious, this record that Mark gives us that he prays Abba, Father. 245 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:51,320 Abba, of course, is the really most intimate title for Father, really meaning in our vernacular 246 00:19:51,320 --> 00:20:05,160 Daddy, crying out to his Daddy and cries out if there's any way possible. 247 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,760 Take this cup, this is the bitter cup. 248 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:15,880 Nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. 249 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,880 I think I think about that verse a lot, Scott, when I'm in the temple. 250 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:27,480 When I'm in the temple and those who may be or listening who have been to the temple, 251 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:38,000 if they think about the ordinances of the temple, the symbols of the temple, I think 252 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,880 of a cup. 253 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,720 I always think of this verse, the bitter cup. 254 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:52,080 Nevertheless take away this cup from me. 255 00:20:52,080 --> 00:21:00,680 I don't know, I think about that, Scott, and how sweet that is to see the submission, 256 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:10,200 the humility, the obedience, ultimately the love that Jesus has for his Father, that his 257 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:21,440 will was swallowed up in the will of the Father, and that ultimately his love for us, that 258 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:30,080 he would not try to escape this, but go through it. 259 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:35,680 So as we begin to get into these kinds of things, and we're well into it, we're not 260 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,160 just getting into it, we're well into it at this point. 261 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:46,800 It occurs to me that as we look back to our episode just prior to this episode, and we 262 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:53,400 talked about his life, his sinless life, and what it would have been like to know him then, 263 00:21:53,400 --> 00:22:00,360 to all of the potential things that were difficult for him to go through, for his challenges, 264 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:01,360 his trials. 265 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:07,120 We talked about losing Joseph prior to his ministry, probably. 266 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:12,000 We talked who would have been his stepfather, obviously, probably very close. 267 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:18,200 All of the trials and struggles of his life were actually because of and for what is now 268 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,480 taking place. 269 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:26,120 So everything that Jesus has gone through has led him to this spot. 270 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:31,600 So where he's now able to not just sucker, but here's where, Dave, he really starts 271 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:39,680 to begin to carry the weight and pay the price of sin that we're unable to pay for, not just 272 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,680 sin, but all those other things, right? 273 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:54,680 This is where the ransom and reconciliation of God really begins, Scott, where Jesus purchases 274 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,280 us with his blood. 275 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:06,480 The title of our podcast, Redeemed Through His Blood, Acts, Chapter 20, Christ Purchased 276 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,240 Us With His Blood. 277 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:16,160 This is where that ransom purchasing us really begins. 278 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:21,600 And I want to read from the account that Luke gives us, where he begins to talk about the 279 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,600 blood of the atonement. 280 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,600 This is Luke chapter 22. 281 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,480 I'm going to read 39 through 44. 282 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:37,000 And he came out and went as he was want to the Mount of Olives. 283 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,080 And his disciples also followed him. 284 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:46,480 And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation. 285 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:53,640 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast and kneeled down and prayed, saying, 286 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:59,440 Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me. 287 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,280 Nevertheless not my will, but thine be done. 288 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:09,480 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. 289 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,400 That's an important verse. 290 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,640 Luke is the one who records that an angel came to strengthen him. 291 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:30,120 Elder McConkey in a conference report several years ago in 1984 said that Adam would have 292 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:37,880 been that angel, the archangel, Adam, Michael, would have been the angel who came to strengthen 293 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,280 Jesus in his hour of need in Gethsemane. 294 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,800 But listen to verse 44, Scott. 295 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:55,720 And being in an agony, he prayed more earnestly, more earnestly. 296 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:06,200 And his sweat was, as it were, great drops of blood falling down to the ground. 297 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:12,840 I know again we talked about this during Easter week, but as members of the Church of Jesus, 298 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,200 Christ, where are the saints? 299 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:28,680 We should be so grateful for the revelations of the Restoration that we know that Jesus 300 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,320 bled from every pore. 301 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:42,080 That's the way King Benjamin describes what happens in Gethsemane as an angel and describes 302 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:47,720 the atonement and envision he sees Jesus in Gethsemane. 303 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:55,520 And King Benjamin says, this is Mosiah in the Book of Mormon, chapter 3, verse 7, and 304 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:02,760 lo, he shall suffer temptations and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even more 305 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,720 than man can suffer. 306 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,400 We talked about that last week. 307 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:18,560 Talked it, be unto death, for behold, blood cometh from every pore. 308 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:24,960 So great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and the abominations of his people. 309 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:33,360 No other Christian church denomination believes that Jesus bled from every pore. 310 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:39,960 That's only two places in the scriptures here in Mosiah chapter 3 and in Doctrine and Cumbins, 311 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,840 section 19. 312 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,760 So when Luke records, and being in agony, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was, 313 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:54,920 as it were, like great drops of blood falling to the ground, as it's worded here in the 314 00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:02,800 Bible, it says his sweat was like blood. 315 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:09,120 And most other Christian denominations believe that he was, this is what one minister told 316 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:18,000 me personally, when I asked him about what was really happening in Luke 2244, a certain 317 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:25,720 minister, described to me that he was sweating profusely, thinking about his suffering and 318 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,400 death the following day on Friday. 319 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,120 And I said, so you don't think he's sweating blood? 320 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,120 And he said, no. 321 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:43,960 I've had other ministers tell me that maybe there were a few drops of blood that was mingled 322 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:50,440 with his sweat because of the anguish that he was experiencing in Gethsemane. 323 00:27:50,440 --> 00:28:02,920 But no one, Scott, believes and understands that Jesus bled from every pore so great was 324 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,320 his anguish for his people. 325 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:13,240 In fact, Joseph Smith, in the Joseph Smith translation, changes Luke 22, verse 44, and 326 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:19,480 it should read, and he sweat, as it were, great drops of blood. 327 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,720 He changes the word sweat from a noun to a verb. 328 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,200 It's not that his sweat was like blood. 329 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:35,320 According to Joseph Smith's translation, he sweat blood from every pore. 330 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:49,040 Well, this blood, this is such an important part of the atonement that for centuries before, 331 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:56,800 the sacrifices, blood was the center of all the covenants that were made with God, and 332 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:04,680 all of the sacrifices of lambs and animals and the shedding of blood was pointing to 333 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:11,280 this event as well as to what would happen on the next day on the cross and the scourging 334 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:17,480 and everything else that happened in the last 24 hours of Jesus' life. 335 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:25,040 According to him giving all of his blood, and I maybe believe that's literal, that because 336 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:30,480 he was a God, he could choose to die anytime he wanted. 337 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:38,680 Most people could have never survived Gethsemane, let alone the scourging and the cross and 338 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,320 everything else that went with it. 339 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:50,720 But Jesus literally, I believe, bled out in Gethsemane, scourging on the cross. 340 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,880 This was a bloody sacrifice. 341 00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:04,360 All of it had been foretold, prophesied, everything in the law of Moses, and even before with 342 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,880 even Adam and Eve when they were commanded to sacrifice a lamb on the altar, and the 343 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:16,440 angel told them, this is in similitude of the only begotten Son. 344 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:26,360 This is the beginning of that bloody sacrifice and the reconciliation and ransom of God for 345 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,360 man. 346 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:35,360 Well, so Dave, there's so much of this that has to do with and is directly associated 347 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,880 to the blood sacrifice. 348 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,800 So what? 349 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,840 Last week, and I don't mean that disrespectfully, and I don't mean it to be a reverend at all, 350 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,600 but we do need to identify the so what part of this. 351 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:53,080 Last week we really talked about, all of this is important and good, and you shared that 352 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,000 as you taught Institute that you would say, okay, now so what? 353 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,640 So can we do that now? 354 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,920 So what's the importance or what's the significance? 355 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,800 How does this apply to us? 356 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:13,440 Well, I think it's really important that we understand the Middle East kind of symbol, 357 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,760 and this is true of all other cultures as well, Native American cultures and others, 358 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:26,480 of the symbolic significance of blood, and the importance of understanding that this, 359 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,920 that blood was seen as the fountain of life. 360 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,600 You know, we see it in our culture differently. 361 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:41,560 We see it as more like a symbol of death, and I know it can symbolize that too. 362 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:51,280 The loss of blood can symbolize death, but they saw it, the shedding of blood as a symbol 363 00:31:51,280 --> 00:32:00,600 of life, a symbol of starting over, a symbol of beginning as they sprinkled blood on the 364 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:08,880 altar as the priests sprinkled blood, splattered blood on the people as he sprinkled blood 365 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,320 on the Ark of the Covenant. 366 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:20,200 All of this was symbolic of a new beginning of life, a spiritual life, a physical life, 367 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,280 all of it pointing, of course, we know, to Jesus Christ. 368 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,720 Unfortunately, the Jews had, I think, lost the significance of that and didn't really 369 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:37,480 understand because of going beyond the mark what happened that last week of Passover or 370 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,320 the week of passion in the life of Christ. 371 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,280 But nevertheless, blood was a symbol of life. 372 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,880 It was also a symbol of a covenant. 373 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,920 We read in really Exodus, or I'm sorry, Genesis chapter 15. 374 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:05,760 In Genesis chapter 15, when God makes a covenant with Abraham, the real word there means, the 375 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,920 Hebrew word means, he cut a covenant with Abraham. 376 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:21,000 There was blood associated, a mingling of blood associated with the covenants that Abraham 377 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:31,480 and Israel throughout the history of the Old Testament made with God this mingling of blood. 378 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,320 This is the most sacred form of a relationship. 379 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:45,080 The Native Americans would call it blood brothers or they would cut themselves and shake hands. 380 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:53,920 This symbolism has really been throughout so many cultures and was the center, really, 381 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,720 of the Jewish culture for thousands of years. 382 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:07,920 Now Jesus is the fulfillment of that, of cutting a covenant and even in the Last Supper, he 383 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,960 tells them, take this and eat. 384 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,680 This is my flesh. 385 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:18,040 Then take this cup and drink and this is my blood. 386 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:26,640 This new and everlasting covenant of taking into ourselves, his blood, Scott, is reenacted 387 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,280 every Sunday in our sacrament meetings. 388 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:38,400 Do we think that we understand the significance of drinking that and mingling his blood, taking 389 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,680 into ourselves symbolically? 390 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:49,800 His blood, everything centers around that when it comes to this atonement. 391 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:56,360 There's several scriptures, Dave, that talk about the cleansing effect of the blood. 392 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,320 Sound on that for us a little bit, will you? 393 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:05,880 How does the blood, and I think that we understand it maybe from a conceptual, the cleansing, 394 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,520 but can you explain it to us? 395 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,520 Well, medically. 396 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:16,040 Medically, there's... I'm not a doctor far from it and I wouldn't be an expert at all 397 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:23,840 on this, but medically, Scott, blood carries all of the impurities out of our system. 398 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:32,120 It carries the impurities from the lungs, the air, from the kidneys, from everything 399 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:43,520 about our blood that runs through our circulatory system is to take out impurities. 400 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,840 Blood is the cleansing agent of our bodies, literally, medically. 401 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:54,400 It is also the key to our healing. 402 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,360 Blood symbolizes cleansing, blood symbolizes healing. 403 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:08,880 So that's further, I think, why this had to be a blood sacrifice that Jesus would bleed 404 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:18,360 from every pore and then later in the scourging and on the cross even more. 405 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,360 Yeah. 406 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,640 And here we go. 407 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,600 This takes us right back to some of the beginnings of our podcast. 408 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,120 We talked about how important it was to know him. 409 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,880 And again, here we are getting to know just this aspect a little deeper and a little better. 410 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:41,360 And I think, Dave, as we do this and I'm inviting all of us to run this experiment in our own 411 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:47,880 lives, but as we do this, as we come to know him this way and as we come to study and understand 412 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:54,320 the cleansing effects of the blood of the Savior Jesus Christ and his Atomant as it 413 00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:00,160 was acted out, I think that as we begin to understand these things and see them symbolized, 414 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,480 not just in the temple, but their symbolism of this in life. 415 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,280 Dave, as you know, Abraham 5, you talked about it, but in Abraham 5, he talked about, actually 416 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,080 you talked about Genesis. 417 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,520 In Moses 5, they're making the covenant there. 418 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,160 They talk about three things that are associated to the covenant and those are water, blood, 419 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,160 and spirit. 420 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,160 Yeah. 421 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,160 That's really about Adam. 422 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:29,520 Moses 5 describes Adam and the sacrifice that he makes and the three essential elements 423 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:36,520 of salvation and redemption, which are blood, water, and spirit. 424 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,640 And we see that in so much. 425 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,440 We begin life that way. 426 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:47,400 We begin life in the similitude of that covenant as we come through the water, the blood, and 427 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,120 our spirit enters into our bodies. 428 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,400 We begin it there. 429 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,080 This is laid out for us in our learnings through life, throughout our life, and everything 430 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,080 that we do. 431 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,960 Scott, blood is mentioned so many times in the scriptures, in the standard works. 432 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:11,440 I made a quick count and there's almost 700 references to blood. 433 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,320 Now all of those aren't to the blood of Jesus. 434 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,960 And that was not a quick count if there were 700. 435 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,040 Yeah, no, but technology helps me. 436 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,640 Almost 400 in the Old Testament alone. 437 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,960 160, 50 something in the Book of Mormon. 438 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:35,920 Anyway, it just runs throughout all the scriptures, the references to blood as a symbol of love, 439 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,720 of life as a symbol of cleansing and healing. 440 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:48,760 So it's an important part of the doctrine of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 441 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,520 And so many times in the scriptures we read something like this. 442 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:59,520 This is Aaron teaching King Lamona's father and it reads, now Aaron began to open the 443 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:00,960 scriptures under them. 444 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,880 This is Alma chapter 21, verse nine. 445 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,080 Aaron began to open the scriptures under them concerning the coming of Christ and also 446 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,920 concerning the resurrection of the dead. 447 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:20,280 And that there could be no redemption for mankind save it were through the death and 448 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:26,800 sufferings of Christ and the atonement of his blood. 449 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,800 Wow. 450 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:41,520 Honestly, that's in the scriptures dozens of times that the atonement was through by 451 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,880 the blood of Jesus Christ. 452 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,440 And so many times in the scriptures, including the book of Revelation and throughout the 453 00:39:51,440 --> 00:40:00,960 book of Mormon, we read that the blood of Christ would cleanse us, not only redeem us, 454 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:12,200 but would cleanse us here and now that our garments, our bloody garments, the blood and 455 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:21,960 sins of this generation could only be cleansed by the blood of Christ. 456 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,320 I've always found that to be so interesting. 457 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:34,520 How can bloody garments be cleaned or cleansed by blood? 458 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:41,400 Well, so you and I have a little bit of insight into this being both sons of dry cleaners. 459 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,240 Maybe you can enlighten us with that. 460 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:51,620 It's really interesting to me that blood cleanses blood, Scott. 461 00:40:51,620 --> 00:40:57,160 Many years ago, when I was in college, my father owned a dry cleaners and Provo and 462 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:06,160 I was going to school there at BYU and he taught me pretty early not to waste this certain 463 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:13,800 chemical and there was this bottle of blood remover and he taught me the importance of 464 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:20,280 my of well, he helped me to understand that the reason this was so expensive was because 465 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:29,040 it was extracted from blood that back in those days, that would not have been easy to get 466 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:36,560 the plasma, the proteins, the elements, the chemical elements that make up blood into 467 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:43,920 this bottle, which was the chemical that we use to remove blood. 468 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:52,520 So whenever I had bloody garments that I was trying to clean and spot before we ran it 469 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,120 through the dry cleaning machine, I would turn to this bottle. 470 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:02,880 I wish I would have known then what I know now about what the scriptures teach that it 471 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,880 takes blood. 472 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,480 This is a fact. 473 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:16,520 This is a scientific fact, not just an incredibly great edifying symbol. 474 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:24,720 It takes Christ's blood to cleanse our blood and the sins of this generation. 475 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:25,720 That's right. 476 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:26,720 And it's not just any blood. 477 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,600 It has to be Christ's blood. 478 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,600 It has to be Christ's blood. 479 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,360 It can't be the animal sacrifice. 480 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,960 It can't be any of that. 481 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,560 It has to be Christ's blood. 482 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:40,280 And so that blood had to go through or had to be go through a process is probably not 483 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,280 the. 484 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,280 Yeah, I think it did. 485 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,160 I think that Christ had to go through that process to have that blood to that point where 486 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:52,560 it would be the type of blood that can clean the sins and the blood of the world, right? 487 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,920 Just like the blood in the bottle. 488 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,880 And I had that same bottle on the same spotting board in Dry Cleaners in Salt Lake City where 489 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,400 I was doing the same thing you were doing at approximately the same age and had the 490 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:09,920 same directive by my dad who was your older brother, is your older brother. 491 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,280 But that blood or that they didn't look like blood. 492 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,280 It wasn't read in that bottle. 493 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,560 It had been through a process and it had been just like Jesus Christ's process. 494 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:25,560 Just like he was the only blood because of the process and the atonement of Jesus Christ 495 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:31,880 that became available to us to cleanse the blood and sins of our worlds. 496 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,120 Yes. 497 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:42,120 And Jesus makes it really clear to his disciples even before the atonement and even before 498 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:51,320 Gethsemane and the cross and before he sheds all the blood that he sheds in John chapter 499 00:43:51,320 --> 00:44:02,720 six, when he is teaching his disciples and he says, then Jesus said unto them, Verily, 500 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:11,800 verily, I say unto you, except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, 501 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:17,040 ye have no life in you. 502 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:24,880 Whoso eats my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternal life, then I will raise him up 503 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:31,840 at the last day, for my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed. 504 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:41,760 He that eats my flesh and drinketh my blood, get this, dwelleth in me and I in him. 505 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:51,880 Ultimately, Scott, this symbol, this sacrifice of blood is about a relationship. 506 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,600 It's about a relationship. 507 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,280 It's about becoming blood brothers and more even more so much more intimate than even 508 00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,280 that. 509 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,280 Right. 510 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,280 Yeah. 511 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:08,280 Him becoming our Father, us taking upon ourselves his blood, taking it in ourselves, his blood, 512 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,680 dwelling in him and him dwelling in us. 513 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:17,040 What we do in the sacrament is that we do that every Sunday and we should contemplate 514 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,440 what that means. 515 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:25,360 Not only does the sacrament promises that we'll have his spirit to be with us always, 516 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:31,520 but we are taking in ourselves Christ that he dwells in us and we dwell in him. 517 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:40,120 It all comes down to relationship and blood was certainly a powerful symbol of a relationship 518 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,520 and a covenant. 519 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:51,400 And therefore, I had an interesting discussion years ago, Scott, in a seminary faculty that 520 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,040 I was on. 521 00:45:53,040 --> 00:46:00,040 And in this seminary faculty, I don't know how it got to this, but during a lunch hour, 522 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:05,360 during a lunch hour, we were talking about, did Jesus really have to be crucified? 523 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,200 So this is what the talk around the water cooler looks like. 524 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,200 I see. 525 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,200 Okay. 526 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,800 Did Jesus really have to be what if there would have been guns? 527 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,080 Could he have been shot? 528 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:22,920 Why couldn't somebody just knock him out, kill him, hit him over the head with a rock, 529 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,640 spear him, shoot him with a bow and arrow? 530 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,440 Why did he have to be crucified? 531 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:35,040 I don't think we really, as I can't remember anybody in our faculty really pointing this 532 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,760 out then, like I understand it now. 533 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,840 It had to be bloody. 534 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:55,800 And Scott, really this, these events of Gethsemane, the scourging, the crucifixion, there has never 535 00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:01,120 been more blood shed by anyone. 536 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:10,360 I believe he was blood out, literally out of every poor that this, this sacrifice, this 537 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:21,600 atonement was about him giving all of his blood for all of us as a covenant that we 538 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:31,560 could have him in us and us in him and return to our Heavenly Father and our heavenly home. 539 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,760 Well so as we, we talk about the blood, we talk about the crucifixion, we talk about 540 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,040 Gethsemane and all of this, it seems to me, you know, Dave, the purpose behind what we're 541 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,640 doing here is to help people understand our Heavenly Father's love for each of us through 542 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,180 the Atonement of Jesus Christ, because it's through the Atonement of Jesus Christ that 543 00:47:50,180 --> 00:47:54,040 all healing and all cleansing takes place, which is what we're after, because when I 544 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,120 talk about healing and cleansing, what I'm really talking about is removing the things 545 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:04,400 from our life that are not, that are anything unlike celestial stuff. 546 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:10,800 We don't have happiness, we don't have joy, we have trials, we have tribulation, we have 547 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,560 all of these things that come up. 548 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,800 And so really the purpose behind what we're talking about here, and we talk, we say it 549 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,840 in our introduction, you know, hope, healing and redemption through the Atonement of Jesus 550 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,360 Christ, well that hope and healing comes through the blood, through the blood, that's right. 551 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,480 And so everything needs to be cleansed. 552 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,000 If we have something going on in us that's not right, it needs to be cleansed. 553 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,000 How is that cleansed? 554 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,440 Well we have just learned today that that's cleansed through the blood of Jesus Christ 555 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,160 that's because of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 556 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:50,920 Blood cleanses blood, blood heals, blood nourishes, nourishes us, blood strengthens us. 557 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:58,120 I think, Scott we're coming near the end I think of this episode, and in the next episode 558 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:03,760 we'll continue to talk about the events of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, finishing up 559 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:11,680 with Gethsemane and on to the mockery of a trial and the scourging and the crucifixion 560 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,960 and all that goes with that. 561 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:22,960 But I want to maybe end my part of this by reading just two verses from the Book of Mormon 562 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,120 in Alma chapter 34 verses 10 through 11. 563 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:32,200 This is Amuelik's amazing discourse on the infinite Atonement, term that he uses four 564 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,360 times in this chapter. 565 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:44,520 And he says this, for it is expedient that there should be a great and last sacrifice. 566 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:53,920 Yea, not a sacrifice of man, neither of beast, neither of any manner of foul, for it shall 567 00:49:53,920 --> 00:50:05,960 not be a human sacrifice, but it must be an infinite and eternal sacrifice. 568 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:16,080 This is verse 12, therefore there can be nothing which is short of an infinite Atonement which 569 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:22,200 will suffice for the sins of the world. 570 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:30,360 Infinite Atonement, infinite sacrifice, I think it means really four things when we speak 571 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,920 of it being infinite, Scott. 572 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,600 It means first of all that it must be a God. 573 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:41,160 Only a God could offer this sacrifice. 574 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:46,400 Only a blood of a God could make this sacrifice. 575 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:53,560 It's interesting, Scott, that in the Old Testament, lambs were used, sometimes other animals were 576 00:50:53,560 --> 00:51:00,440 used as a substitute for the blood of God. 577 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,120 It was a symbol of the blood of Christ. 578 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:07,480 It was used as a substitute, their blood as a substitute for the blood of Christ. 579 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,880 And Israel would receive redemption and forgiveness through the blood. 580 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,200 The blood of animals is a substitute for the blood of God. 581 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:22,760 It's interesting that in the New Testament, Jesus Christ's blood is a substitute for the 582 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,200 blood of the Father. 583 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,960 The Father, of course, no blood. 584 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:37,040 Jesus Christ as a substitute, intermediary, as a redeemer, as a Savior for his Father, 585 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:42,680 representing his Father, sheds his blood for all of us. 586 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:51,920 It took a God, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, to offer this blood sacrifice. 587 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:52,920 That's the first point. 588 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,440 The second point, it is infinite in time. 589 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,840 It goes all the way back to our premortal existence. 590 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:05,720 We've talked about how the Atonement influenced us, strengthened us, blessed us in the premortal 591 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:11,480 existence, and will throughout eternity, I believe, will draw strength from the Atonement 592 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,400 and blood of Jesus Christ. 593 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,960 So it's for all time. 594 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,800 It's for all people. 595 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,600 This is another unique part of the Restoration. 596 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:24,800 We believe the Atonement of Jesus Christ God affects all of God's children that's ever 597 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:31,600 been born on this earth, that the Atonement of Jesus Christ unconditionally covers them, 598 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:39,400 that spiritual death, physical death, unconditionally for all mankind, is overcome because of the 599 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,920 Atonement of Jesus Christ. 600 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:46,320 So all people are affected by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 601 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,600 It's for all people, and it covered all sins. 602 00:52:50,600 --> 00:53:00,120 All the sins of all mankind are covered, suffered for, the prices paid, a cost and punishment 603 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,880 made to cover all of the sins of all mankind. 604 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:13,480 So this term, infinite Atonement, had to be a blood Atonement of a God for all of his 605 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,480 children. 606 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,320 Dave, would it be safe to say on number four that it covered not just the sins, but all 607 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,120 the sins and infirmities, right? 608 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,120 Everything. 609 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:25,320 Everything that's not in its absolute perfected state. 610 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,800 It doesn't matter what that is. 611 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,800 Anything that's not in its absolute perfected state or God-like state, that's another synonym 612 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,280 for that perfection, God. 613 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,600 Anything that's not in its God-like state was covered by the effects of the Atonement 614 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:42,600 of Jesus Christ. 615 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:43,600 And so what is that? 616 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,600 That is everything. 617 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,920 I mean, that's our, and we go back to this, and I keep saying these things because I think 618 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:53,800 that so many times, and this has been my experience, is Deb and I are participating, my sweet wife 619 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:59,160 and I are participating in teaching an institute class for a young single adult group, and 620 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,760 we're teaching these very things or things very similar to this. 621 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:08,560 I think that that's the thing that sometimes can get lost in the shuffle here. 622 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,840 We understand how important this is for our sins. 623 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,720 We understand that because we sin, that makes us unclean, and because we're unclean, not 624 00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:20,680 only can we not, are we prohibited in entering into our Heavenly Father's presence, but 625 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,800 His Spirit can't be with us or can be with us, only limited because of that as well. 626 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:34,000 So we understand that, but the other infirmities that are so besetting, so rough in life, and 627 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:40,160 we've talked about some of those, but just to name a few again, any kind of illness, 628 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:48,400 sickness, mentally, physically, emotionally, any kind of relationship struggles, any kind 629 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:54,600 of worry and concern for a loved one, be that a child, a spouse, a friend, what have you, 630 00:54:54,600 --> 00:55:00,960 any kind of turmoil, even among societies, you know, what we see that happens in conflict 631 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:07,040 across the world, all of that, the answer to all of that because of the infinite nature 632 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:12,600 of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, all of that is covered under your number four point there. 633 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,960 Yes, we should be so grateful. 634 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:25,120 And as we come to an understanding of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, the events and 635 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:32,640 the effects of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, I know our gratitude, Scott will grow and 636 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:39,680 as our gratitude grows, our desires to have a relationship with Him increase. 637 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:47,120 And I'm looking forward to discussing next week, moving on, finishing up Gethsemane 638 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,800 and moving on to the rest of the events of the Atonement. 639 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:51,800 Thank you. 640 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:52,800 That's the way. 641 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,800 Yeah, thank you. 642 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:54,800 Great session today, Dave. 643 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,200 This really touched me today as we were talking about a lot of this. 644 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:05,800 Folks, I hope that you have been equally edified as we've gone into just the most important 645 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:11,000 things that we could possibly be talking about on a beautiful day today. 646 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:17,040 But as we get into this and as we start to continue, as we as we continue down, not start 647 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:23,560 to, but as we continue down this path of learning and experience, our invitation stands open 648 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:28,560 to please let Heavenly Father spirit into your life to experience the effects of the 649 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,840 Atonement of Jesus Christ. 650 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,600 Any time that any of us have anything in our life that feels like it's a little bit out 651 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:41,600 of balance or maybe completely out of balance, the remedy is here, completely here within 652 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,600 the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 653 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:50,240 So as we go through the week, notice where the Atonement of Jesus Christ through His 654 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:55,460 blood, notice where cleansing is happening currently in your life, notice where healing 655 00:56:55,460 --> 00:56:57,600 is currently happening in your life. 656 00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:02,120 Remember to focus on the winds, focus on the things that are happening that are good. 657 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:07,320 Pay some attention and through personal inventory on the things that maybe need to be brought 658 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:08,320 back to center. 659 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,600 You know, we talk about and we didn't spend a lot of time on this, but we will about the 660 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,200 justification of the Atonement through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. 661 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,960 And as we think about that justification, you know, when we make justification to a word 662 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,960 document or what have you, what that means is to bring back into perfect alignment. 663 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:31,120 And so as the Atonement of Jesus Christ through His blood brings us back into perfect alignment 664 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:37,800 with our Heavenly Father Spirit, may His peace abide with us this week and forever. 665 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:44,240 Remember to send us your emails, your comments, your questions, your suggestions to HeRedeemsUs 666 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,240 at gmail.com. 667 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,320 We look forward to seeing you next week, ladies and gentlemen. 668 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:53,840 May God's spirit, may His peace be continually with you as we seek it through the Atonement 669 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:54,840 of Jesus Christ. 670 00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:01,840 Have a great weekend, everybody.