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Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode

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of redeem through his blood This is Scott Durfey

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and I'm joined as always by the princess of the

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home. Oh goodness gracious The queen only female

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in this house, so I have no competition my Sweetheart

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Deb Durfey. What's up, babe? Hi everyone. How

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are you? You know what? I'm good enough There's

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there's moments that I'm great and moments that

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I'm not so great. So I'm just I'm I'm happy to

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be here. The sun's out. I guess we should put

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that in a little bit of context for those of

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you who are new this week or whatever. Deb has

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recently been laid off. No big deal. But I'm

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looking for a job and I'm not real comfortable

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in that. It's not my expertise. Getting her out

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of her comfort zone just a little bit. No growing

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in the comfort zone, no comfort in the growing

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zone. I tell everyone that, now I get to swallow

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my words. Yeah. I love that. I love that. Well,

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and I got a... Kind of just tell everybody, hey,

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thanks for reaching out. I think you sensed my

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need. I think I had a moment of being a little

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bit needy last episode. Sometimes it just feels

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alone, feels empty. And I express that. And many

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people reached out and were super kind in their

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sentiment and their offerings. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. Somebody's going to step up and do social

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media for us. Thank you very much. David for

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that very much appreciate that and you know we

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have others that also reached out couple on Facebook

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even done we got a sweet shout out from Becky

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in central Iowa she said she's our biggest Midwest

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fan I almost started crying I just want to say

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now we're your fan thank you so much for reaching

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out it kind of makes it feel like now you're

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here with us and now we're we're speaking to

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you all so golly it's Really nice to have names

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and I think that's the thing that's been so kind

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of strange for me Which I don't understand because

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we've been doing it for several years, but you

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know, I do Professionally, I'm a communicator,

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but when I communicate professionally most of

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the time not all the time But most of the time

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is in front of live people And so when I'm teaching

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Institute or even gospel doctrine or when I'm

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at work on a stage It's in front of live people

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and and I get interaction and you can feel the

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energy back. It's just really difficult hope

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to do that here. Anyway, thank you everybody

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for reaching out. Thank you for listening. Thank

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you for being along here with us. It made me

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kind of reflect why I really do this. Well, it

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did for me. Yeah, because I was like, wait, am

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I waiting for everybody's approval before I keep

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going or am I doing this because I have a relationship

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with Jesus Christ that I want to testify. And

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what did you land on? Well, Obviously, well both

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kind of. Yeah. I got to be actually vulnerable

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here and just say I actually like knowing that

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people care and are open to it, but I also, you

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know, there's been times in my life where I have

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been, I mean, I've always been a member of the

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church, but I have felt really lonely. Yeah.

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And I wish that there, when I was going through

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this, I wish that there had been somebody call

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it puking your truth telling their story so I

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didn't feel so alone in my you know my journey

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because I put so many expectations on myself

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and to the level of perfection that I was putting

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on myself and I know I'm not alone I mean we

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we all are striving for perfection but what we've

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what I learned is you're not gonna get it here

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sweetheart it's like You can't get that even

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Jesus Christ was not perfected until he was resurrected

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see Here's the thing for me. I hear people like

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you say we're all striving for perfection and

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immediately I feel left out because I'm not Yeah,

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you know really yeah, really. I mean, I love

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that you're saying out loud I have said that

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too though. I have said I'm striving for perfection

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and maybe at times in my life I have actually

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believed that I'm not today striving for perfection,

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and maybe there's a little bit of me that should

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feel guilty about that or inadequate, but I don't

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strive for perfection today. I mean, I strive

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to do my best. I strive to be perfected in Him.

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I strive that through my alignment that the things

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that are out of alignment will fall away and

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will allow my life to be sanctified and made

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right through him and through a relationship

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with him. I struggle though with even having

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a desire sometimes to achieve perfection because

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to me it's out of reach. So it's like why try

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I don't know maybe maybe I don't know I think

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maybe we could dive into that a little bit and

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maybe some of those things will kind of unpill

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themselves as we go through our kind of our topic

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today, you know, we talked about receiving this

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feedback and wonderful feedback and again, we

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love you all and thank you for it and I feel

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like we have new friends like I know and I need

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that I'm such a I'm such an empath You know,

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I just, anyway, you know how the five love languages,

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I'm definitely a words of affirmation kind of

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guy for sure. So anyway, whatever. I had it,

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we did get an email though. We've been talking,

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we started a new semester at Institute. Holy

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moly. Great. Right? Kids. Just when you think

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they just don't get better and I know then it's

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like jaw drop. i know drop we find out we're

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getting released in may and it's like well last

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okay no problem maybe it's run its course you

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know whatever and and then we get a group of

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uh... students that come through we had like

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eighty two kids eighty two students and in class

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the other night and i'm tell you what that uh...

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these kids are Powerhouse. They get it. They

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understand what it means to have a relationship

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with the Savior, and they're really trying hard

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to do that. You know, they're working hard to

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have instruments of grace at work in their life,

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and they have questions naturally, and they have

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concerns, of course, and they have things that

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can challenge their faith from time to time.

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But they really are focused on the one needful

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thing, and I just can't believe believe it. They're

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the 2026 stripling warriors. They really are.

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I tell them every week when they're there, I

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say you guys don't even have to be here. Yeah.

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And look at you making an effort. There's so

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many different places you could be, but you still

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make an effort to be here. Each week we put our

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phone number on the board and we encourage our

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students. I hate to even call them students.

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I'd rather call them our kids, because I love

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them like our kids, but I don't want them to

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hear that and think, I'm not a kid, because we

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don't see you as kids. Young adults. I'm kind

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of caught between a rock and a hard place. Oh,

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your kids are old. They're a lot younger than

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any of your kids. So if you get offended, don't

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be offended, because we have old kids. You could

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have gone all evening without saying that. These

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these people that are coming I love them so much

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and and I'm you know before it was like, okay

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We're gonna be done in May now. It's like I don't

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want to be done in May I don't want them to go

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away. Anyway, we put a number, our number on

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the board and we encourage them to ask questions

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and send us texts and so on and so forth. And

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sometimes we'll respond to them in class and

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sometimes we'll just respond to them one off

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because we do have a lot of people that want

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to call and talk about things that are embarrassing

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to talk about sometimes in front of other people.

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Well, I got an email from somebody in class this

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past week, Deb, and I want to talk about this

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in our... podcast today Here it is I Have never

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fully understood repentance the the repentance

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process or what repentance looks like I have

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felt like it was something that everyone just

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kind of understood But never really explained

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this podcast and Institute courses honestly taught

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me so much about the atonement of Jesus Christ

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and my relationship with him With all that I

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have learned, it's made me think more about Christ's

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atonement in my life. I have realized that I

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still am just unsure to know if I am forgiven.

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How do I know that God has moved past my sins?

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How do I know that I have taken the right steps

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and that I'm on the right path with God again?

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And then this person says, I love you guys. Thank

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you for everything you do. We love you. Yeah.

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Yeah, we do we know who this is and we do love

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you I Don't know Deb. That's a that's a pretty

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important question Right. I there's a there's

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a couple of things there that I think that you

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know each of us relate to that question Yeah,

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there's there's a couple things I think that

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we each need to kind of reconcile here, right

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for sure So how do I know if I've been forgiven?

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There's there's a couple of things in here that

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I would probably change the way they're worded

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You know, how do I know that God's move move

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past my sins? I want to talk about that for a

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second But and then how do I know if I've taken

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the right steps and I'm on the right path with

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God again And that's one of the things that we

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talk about in the course the divine gift of forgiveness

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is How do I know that my path is pleasing before

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God? That's really part of the quest that's really

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when we get to that point where we know that

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the path We're on is pleasing to God. That's

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when we really know right? That's what I think

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when we can kind of have that assurity. So I

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Don't know We're not we're not gonna obviously

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Be able to talk about everything that has to

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do with repentance today For sure, but that there's

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a really important questions here And the and

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the questions are kind of the right ones, you

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know hundred percent So, I don't know, where

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do you go with it, babe? Well, I don't think

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there is a set way of perfect repentance. I don't

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feel like my repentance is going to be the same

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as your repentance. I think it's, and we've talked

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about this before, I think it's about a relationship.

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Okay, so you're saying my repentance isn't going

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to be like your repentance and you're measuring

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those by certain actions that one might do. Perhaps.

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Because I don't know how do you measure a relationship?

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Yeah. Well, you talked about five love languages.

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Yeah. You know, yours is words of affirmations.

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Mine's acts of service. So if you want to show

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me you love me, you're going to serve me. Right.

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You'll make the bed. Yeah. Yeah. If you want

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to know that I, you know, and so when I have

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a relationship with Jesus Christ, I want to serve.

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OK. I mean, it's it's it's that personal. And

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I, you know, we Sunday this I might be derailing,

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but Sunday we were talking in young women's about

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breaking the bread during the sacrament and how

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each piece of bread is different and torn and

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broken differently. Just how we are all broken

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and torn differently. So our transgressions,

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our sins, our sorrows, our pains are very, very

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different from each other. Therefore our relationship

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with the Savior could be very different. And

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relationship with Heavenly Father in the pleading,

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in the asking, in the aligning, you know, crying

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out. That's definitely true. And I think that

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that's where we eventually get when we start

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really beginning to understand what forgiveness

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looks like. But I think some of the things that

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are kind of internal scripts that we sometimes

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use around forgiveness that may be inaccurate.

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I think that it would help if we maybe identify

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what some of those are, for example, you know,

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when we automatically if we're just focusing

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on I messed up, you know, that's an internal

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script. That's what I'm telling myself. And so

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if I messed up and I think it's important that

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we understand where we do make mistakes and so

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forth. But we don't look at it as. God sees us

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as we are messed up. We made a mistake, etc.,

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but we're not messed up. You know, we think God

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must be disappointed in me. You know, in fact,

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we've been told that. God's he doesn't hate you,

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but he's disappointed in you. You know, I've

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been told that and I know others have been told

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that and I don't believe that anymore. I don't

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believe that God is disappointed in us. Well,

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I think about I always go to this analogy because

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it makes sense to me is a toddler learning to

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walk. And when that toddler doesn't get it just

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right the first time and falls down, trips or

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runs into a wall or whatever. a parent is not

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going to get mad at that baby for falling down

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when they're learning something. And I feel like

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a lot of our transgression and a lot of our messing

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up, some of it's intentional. I'm not going to

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write us all off and say, oh, no, it's OK to

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mess up. No, it's never OK. But I think there's

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oftentimes when we mess up that it's like, oh,

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I messed up. Yeah. And to think The words God

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must be disappointed. I have to disagree with

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you. I mean, agree with you that I don't think

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God's disappointed. I really don't feel like

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he looks at us and goes, way to go, ding dong

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or whatever. But I think it's more like, can

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you learn from this? It's one thing I say to

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my kids all the time and they're probably sick

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and tired of hearing it. The only thing worse

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than having a bad experience is not learning

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from it. And I think that's what God's intention

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is, is to help us learn from it. And I'll know,

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I'll know I'm okay when I feel okay. You know,

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those are, those are some of the things that

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we go through. Well, has there ever been a time

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when You believed in Christ you repented but

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you still felt like you were watching for signs

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for everything to be okay Oh gosh, I'm gonna

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get really vulnerable right here as I mean a

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previous podcast I shared my story about Having

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a baby and placing it for adoption. Well not

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sure not Soon after and it was soon after I I

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found myself in the exact same situation, doing

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the exact same thing and getting pregnant again.

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So, you know, doing the same thing over and over

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and expecting different results. And as a, you

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know, 18 year old having a child. And like I

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said, when I shared that experience before, it

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was hard. It was very, very difficult, but I

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did the steps. that I thought were the steps

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to repentance. I talked to the bishop, I, I reconciliated,

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and I really feel like placing that baby for

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adoption into a good home where she could be

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sealed to another family was, was the perfect

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reconciliation of my mistake. And I did that,

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but here's the interesting thing that I've learned

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now decades later is I knew God forgave me for

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that because I made that wrong right. So how

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did I get in the exact same situation again?

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less than a year later here I am again not married

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and pregnant and Looking back now I I can definitely

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tell you that my relationship with Jesus Christ

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was not there. I had not been converted. I did

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not understand the atonement of Jesus Christ.

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I did not forgive myself. In fact, I had physical

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proof with stretch marks and with a stretched

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out body. After you have a baby, especially a

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C -section, I even had a scar to remind me that

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I disappointed God. And that's what I kept remembering.

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So I, in my own head, mean that logistically

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wise I felt forgiven however in my brain and

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in my belief system I did not feel like I had

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been forgiven that I was still broken in his

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eyes and you know when did it when did it finally

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click you know I'm embarrassed to say decades

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later that I finally said repentance is not a

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step -by -step process and making the wrong right

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repentance is allowing Jesus Christ to change

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me not just my broken heart but change my heart

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to make me feel and be someone that I wasn't

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to let me fall down hard enough to say now are

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you willing to take my name upon you now are

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you willing to be broken enough to align with

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his will. God wasn't waiting on me. He was already

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looking at his son. And that's who I needed to

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look to was his son. And that's repentance. Exactly.

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That's repentance. You know, when I think of

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that, I love that you share that. Thank you.

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I've been hearing this story for since we first

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met, and every time I hear it, it touches me

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and I feel the spirit bear witness to me that

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our Heavenly Father has sanctified and is sanctifying

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all that's going on around that babe. I also

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know that, you know, when we go through repentance

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processes, it's not uncommon. In fact, it's probably

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most common that we do sometimes wonder, am I

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forgiven? Has Heavenly Father move past my sins,

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etc. You know, and again, I think that when we

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think of it that way that we see it wrong Heavenly

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Father is I don't know if he moves past our sins

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I think that when we are not aligned with Jesus

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Christ that there's two focal points one is Jesus

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one is us and that when we are left With the

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full exposure of our sins without going through

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Jesus Christ that our sins condemn us But I believe

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that when we align with Jesus Christ in other

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words when we put one focal point in front of

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God and God can only see us through Jesus Christ

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because of our alignment with his atonement and

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is healing that when we do that, that God doesn't

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look at our sins. He sees us through Jesus Christ

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and he begins instead to pull us into Christ.

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The Father doesn't move past our sins. Instead,

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he moves us into Christ when we make that alignment.

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And that's what I hear you saying. You know,

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when we receive this email and they're talking

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about. Asking about how do I know if I'm forgiven

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and? And all of this this is this is a an important

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question. It's one that I think that Again that

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we all wrestle with from time to time If we just

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do what I if we just do what we just talked about

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and are able to Allow God to see us through Christ

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first and the way we do that is aligned with

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him Then it's through Christ's merits through

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Christ's obedience and through Christ's grace

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and I think I think the thing that makes us human

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and reminds us that we're in a fallen world is

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just like I shared in my story that I didn't

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know at that time that I really needed to align

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with Jesus Christ I didn't know what that looked

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like I didn't know what that meant and I could

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remember my sin if I had that shame still holding

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on if I still had that trauma from my from my

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past I knew God knew and I think that's where

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I Don't think God has any I don't I don't think

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he wants to think about all of that and I think

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like you said focusing on Jesus Christ and Letting

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him be my advocate because here's the bottom

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line truth. He felt that He knows that. He knows

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what that shame and trauma and fear and guilt

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feels like. And that's why I align with him because

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he gets me and he gets all of us. Just kind of

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quickly going back to the email. That we got

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I felt like it was something everyone just kind

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of understood but was never really explained

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to me And I think that's a problem that we have

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When it comes to repentance and and and it's

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it's okay that we have this problem, but there's

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a problem When I was on my mission, we taught

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repentance and there were steps, you know, and

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I don't remember if it was five steps or seven

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steps, but there were hours or something. Yeah,

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five hours of repentance or, you know, various

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things, various things like that. And, you know,

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which is fine. But. It's really not so much about

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steps as it is about establishing a relationship.

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I love the way that you describe repentance to

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our Institute students every time. Deb talks

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about repentance as just being, you know, it

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actually comes from the word Montanejo. We hear

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her... President Nelson talk about that word

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on more than one occasion, which just means to

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change or to turn around or to turn back towards

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that which is good. And that's repentance, which

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is to really talk about, which really talks about,

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again, a relationship. It's not so much, and

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it's not an institutional event, right? It's

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not a checklist. It's not penalty payment or

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punishment for sin. And a bunch of other things

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and I think you know, maybe in a future podcast

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We should talk about what repentance really is

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not because we've done that in the past In fact,

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I think that there have been more than several

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episodes that we've covered that and it's important

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that we know that but but to understand what

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repentance really is And if we understand that

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it is really just a relationship then we're not

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looking for some sort of confirmation And I think

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I think for a long time having a relationship

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Well, for me, for a long time, it's like, how

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do you have a relationship with someone that's

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not physically here? And it's it's been a super

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reflective thing that I have been consciously

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and intentionally making of what does my relationship

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with God look like? What does my relationship

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with Jesus Christ look like? And how do I strengthen

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that relationship when they're not physically

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here? Because being in this realm, all of our

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relationships except with the Godhead are with

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beings. We hug them, we kiss them, we say goodbye,

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we greet them when we haven't seen them in a

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while. And then you have an experience where

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someone you love goes to the other side. And

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it's like now it's a remembering now. And I have

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pictures just like I have. pictures of Jesus

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Christ. I have pictures of someone I love and

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care about. And then I remember the memories

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and I wish I actually I do have some sweet memories

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with my Savior and with Heavenly Father. And

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I know I've I've I've shared the experience when

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our oldest Jessica was three about leaving the

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pre -existence. She didn't have a veil. And that

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sweet message that God allowed her to bring to

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me. And that message was such a powerful message

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and so impactful to me today. 38, almost 39 years.

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Well, okay. So minus three, 36 years ago was

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remember my son. I said, what did heavenly father

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tell you? What else did he say is what I said.

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and she raised her little right hand and she

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said remember my son that was important for me

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to remember and to hear even though she doesn't

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remember that today i will never forget that

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experience because it is all about the relationship

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it is all about aligning with him and you know

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when i make a mistake and when i do something

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that that disconnects me or turns me away from

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God. You know, like at Institute, I turned my

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back on that thing, whatever it was that distracted

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me, and I turned to Him. And that's when I say,

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thank you, Heavenly Father, for the fall, so

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that I remember there's repentance, and I have

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a Savior that's gonna save me from this. And

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that is repentance. Yep. That is exactly what

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repentance is. I love this. I think it's as we

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kind of pull things together and wrap things

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up. There's one other concept here that is an

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important one for us, because we talk about this

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often, Deb. We talk about how the Holy Ghost

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is the administrator and administer of the atonement

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of Jesus Christ. In other words, it's through

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the Holy Ghost that we're healed. It's through

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the Holy Ghost that we receive forgiveness. And

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the Holy Ghost has so many roles, super important.

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And I think that we way underestimate the importance

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of our relationship there as well. But here's

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the thing, you know, oftentimes we think, well,

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if I feel, and we've actually taught this, and

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I'm kind of wanting to backpedal a little bit

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on this teaching for this reason, because we've

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taught that if you feel the spirit of the Holy

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Ghost, then you know that the atonement of Jesus

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Christ is at work in your life. That's true.

00:27:19.179 --> 00:27:21.880
That is absolutely true. So if you do feel the

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spirit at any point you can know that you're

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being forgiven or that you are forgiven of your

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sins and that Christ's atonement is at work in

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your life to offset the effects of the fall of

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Adam and even other aspects of your life as well

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That's true. But what if I don't feel the spirit?

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Am I not forgiven? And maybe because I know that

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there are a lot of our listeners and now I know

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a lot of them personally that because of mental

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Illness because of chemical imbalances because

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of other things not related to sin or worthiness

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There's sometimes that feel of the spirit is

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hard to come by And so, you know to that person.

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What do you say? Well, if you don't feel the

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spirit, you're not forgiven. No, absolutely not

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There are ways and it's really important for

00:28:05.869 --> 00:28:09.230
us to understand that we all will approach this

00:28:09.230 --> 00:28:11.710
relationship with our Heavenly Father through

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his Son and the Holy Ghost Deity all of deity

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all of Elohim. I love that we're studying that

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right now and gospel doctrine then come follow

00:28:21.589 --> 00:28:27.609
me but but but all of Elohim all of God to To

00:28:27.609 --> 00:28:30.789
have that relationship with all of God and to

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know that We can know that sometimes without

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really feeling that caloric burn of the spirit

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and it's important that we point that out as

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well because a relationship can be had in so

00:28:44.940 --> 00:28:47.680
many different ways. So the bottom line is this.

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I hope that our listeners will feel invited to

00:28:52.869 --> 00:28:57.049
quit auditing ourselves, you know Really? I mean,

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I think it's important and I talk about this

00:28:59.009 --> 00:29:01.170
and you'll hear me reiterate this I've been talking

00:29:01.170 --> 00:29:02.849
about this since the beginning of the podcast

00:29:02.849 --> 00:29:05.890
cast a few years ago I believe in what we call

00:29:05.890 --> 00:29:08.089
an alcoholics anonymous a tenth step where I

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take a personal inventory every night and where

00:29:10.390 --> 00:29:12.430
I'm wrong promptly admit it but that's different

00:29:12.430 --> 00:29:16.369
than a spiritual sin audit where I'm measuring

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myself in my forgiven not forgiven against the

00:29:21.609 --> 00:29:24.549
against the way I think God sees me God see doesn't

00:29:24.549 --> 00:29:27.609
see me that way remember he sees me through Jesus

00:29:27.609 --> 00:29:30.950
Christ and so he's not seeing me as I have my

00:29:30.950 --> 00:29:33.549
worthy or not worthy seeing me as I am I aligned

00:29:33.549 --> 00:29:37.549
with him so I need to quit auditing myself right

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and then I got a kind of this is going to kind

00:29:41.109 --> 00:29:44.329
of sound different but I got to quit monitoring

00:29:44.329 --> 00:29:48.880
what God's mood is Isn't it weird how we humanize

00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.759
God? It's so weird. But we do it. I know, but

00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:54.880
I monitor God's mood. Yeah. Do you do that? Oh,

00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:00.039
yeah. Oh, absolutely. Because I think he's disappointed

00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.819
because I think he's, you know, whatever. I humanize

00:30:03.819 --> 00:30:07.950
God. I know. I know. It's like, he must be mad

00:30:07.950 --> 00:30:09.890
at me. It's embarrassing to admit, but yes, I

00:30:09.890 --> 00:30:11.710
do. He must be mad at me today because I forgot

00:30:11.710 --> 00:30:14.170
to say my prayers. Or I'm not feeling him today.

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You know, I don't. I've been there. I must have

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done something to step away. To step away because.

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Yeah. Yeah. It must be pain. This is this is

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payment, penalty and punishment for something

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I've done wrong. And I start viewing it wrong.

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The Accuser. Right. Yeah, that's where that comes

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from the accuser. The other thing is is I've

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just got to start trusting more And I think and

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now I'll extend this invitation to all of us

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to just trust more that Christ work is finished

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We just align with what is already finished It's

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infinite and paid for an eternal purchased and

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it's finished. He said it It is finished as final

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words on the cross and and and I think that if

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we if we really believe that it is finished and

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as we really align with him and as we really

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allow God to see us through the purview or the

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lens of Christ's atonement by aligning and putting

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Christ's atonement between us and the vision

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of God, then we're comfortable. And when we're

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comfortable and we know and we have that assurity

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in our lives that our path in life is pleasing

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before God, then we know that the repentance

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process is at work in our lives, Deb. Yeah. And

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I think that's when it finally clicked for me.

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Was when I literal when I literally felt that

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change that change of heart that that Thing in

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me that was like, ah I get it now But it's it's

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such like I said having a relationship with Heavenly

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Father and Jesus Christ takes Faith muscles takes

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hope muscles and it's being very, very still

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and listening and pondering and meditating and

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then trusting that what you're hearing and what

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you're feeling is coming from him because that's

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the universal language is that spirit to spirit.

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I relate it somewhat to the communication a mom

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has with her infant. Because there's I mean a

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mom can sing and a mom can talk but that baby

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can't talk and when you make that eye contact

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with that baby There's communication. There's

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so much going on And I know that's what he does

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with us because we're babies We're embryos trying

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to figure out this thing called life. We're trying

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to become like him and We're just figuring things

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out and when we can be still know and feel that's

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the communication he wants us to to feel and

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know and have that peace I think I think that's

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the other part of this that when I felt that

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peace of oh okay now I feel that change a new

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heart yeah I love that too not just change my

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heart but gave me a new heart yeah I think that

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scripture encapsulates all of this in Matthew

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11 28 Come unto me all you that labor and are

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heavy laden and I will give you rest take my

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yoke upon you and learn of me For I am meek and

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lonely of heart and you shall find rest unto

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yourselves for my yoke is easy and my burden

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is light You know the question isn't has God

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moved past my sins The real question is, am I

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willing to stay in Jesus Christ? I hope that

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that's our resolve this week. Thank you so much

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for your email. And thank you all for your listening

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and your kind words and your spreading the good

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word and your support. Please keep it up. Thanks

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for being with us. We look forward to being with

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you again next week. We love you. Until then,

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be well.
