WEBVTT 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:18.339 Hey there, everybody. Welcome out to another 00:00:18.339 --> 00:00:20.859 episode of Redeemed Through His Blood. I'm Scott 00:00:20.859 --> 00:00:24.039 Durfey joined as always by the beautiful one 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:27.620 and only Deborah Durfee. Hi, friends. How's it 00:00:27.620 --> 00:00:29.600 going? That's so nice of you to call me beautiful. 00:00:30.140 --> 00:00:36.259 Good. Life is good. Life is interesting and good. 00:00:37.140 --> 00:00:39.119 Those are really interesting adjectives that 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:42.359 you choose today. I know. There's just a lot 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:45.880 going on. There is a lot going on. Like you had 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:48.060 a surgery last Tuesday. That's a lot going on. 00:00:48.060 --> 00:00:50.600 Another one. I know. The other shoulder. You 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:54.979 know, this has just been a really... I don't 00:00:54.979 --> 00:00:57.259 know how else to say it. It's been a jacked up 00:00:57.259 --> 00:01:02.259 2025 summer. That's probably not the most, you 00:01:02.259 --> 00:01:05.739 know, Reverend or eloquent way to say it, but 00:01:05.739 --> 00:01:08.319 sometimes you just have to pick the words that 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:10.799 fit. And it's been jacked up, Deb. You know what? 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.340 It reminds me of that TV show back in the seventies. 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:15.140 You take the good, you take the bad, you take 00:01:15.140 --> 00:01:17.219 it all and there you have the facts of life. 00:01:17.810 --> 00:01:20.930 The Facts of Life. Do you remember that? No, 00:01:21.090 --> 00:01:23.250 I don't remember that. I think it was the Facts 00:01:23.250 --> 00:01:26.450 of Life episode or something. You take the good, 00:01:26.549 --> 00:01:27.950 you take the bad, you take them all, and there 00:01:27.950 --> 00:01:30.299 you have the Facts of Life. I don't know what 00:01:30.299 --> 00:01:36.019 it is. A couple of weeks ago, obviously, we put 00:01:36.019 --> 00:01:39.519 out our last episode and since then I've had 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:41.939 surgery and we haven't been able to come together 00:01:41.939 --> 00:01:44.040 to do this. We were going to make the attempt 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:48.319 to do it last week, right after surgery. I was 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:52.099 a little more optimistic about my healing process 00:01:52.099 --> 00:01:56.359 brute strength or whatever then was possible. 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:00.540 We did get in a great substitute to substitute 00:02:00.540 --> 00:02:04.019 our first night at Institute last week. We will 00:02:04.019 --> 00:02:06.239 not be doing that this week. I don't have to 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:09.280 have an app during the day or something or something. 00:02:09.379 --> 00:02:12.099 But you know that this has just been kind of 00:02:12.099 --> 00:02:15.930 an interesting little period of time. And I know 00:02:15.930 --> 00:02:18.909 it's not just us. I know that many people in 00:02:18.909 --> 00:02:21.250 the world, many people in our community, many 00:02:21.250 --> 00:02:25.349 people in our society, and otherwise are just 00:02:25.349 --> 00:02:29.169 feeling a lot of, I don't know, angst. I don't 00:02:29.169 --> 00:02:32.969 know, disconnect. I don't know, fear. There's 00:02:32.969 --> 00:02:35.110 so many adjectives. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I 00:02:35.110 --> 00:02:39.490 call it interesting. Because first off, you know 00:02:39.490 --> 00:02:43.280 that I always say No growing in the comfort zone 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:44.939 and no comfort in the growing zone. What if I 00:02:44.939 --> 00:02:47.620 don't want to grow no more? So so if you're uncomfortable 00:02:47.620 --> 00:02:50.219 just know you're growing. It's not up to me Don't 00:02:50.219 --> 00:02:53.460 tell me that tell tell somebody else has control 00:02:53.460 --> 00:02:56.639 over that because it is not me So I get I get 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:58.560 super uncomfortable I've got employees that are 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.139 going through massive major health issues right 00:03:01.139 --> 00:03:04.099 now and I'm watching them go through surgeries 00:03:04.099 --> 00:03:08.960 and Things that I mean you know, soon to be maybe 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:11.819 chemo. I mean, there's just so many things going 00:03:11.819 --> 00:03:16.939 on. And we had this ridiculous episode in Orem, 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:23.039 Utah at the university that just rocked, I think, 00:03:23.180 --> 00:03:25.330 the world. I really think it rocked the world. 00:03:25.930 --> 00:03:29.389 We just live in interesting times. People have 00:03:29.389 --> 00:03:33.789 stuff, and we're not alone. No, and not only 00:03:33.789 --> 00:03:38.250 that, not everybody's world was rocked the same 00:03:38.250 --> 00:03:41.889 by certain events. And we're not making judgment 00:03:41.889 --> 00:03:44.090 or we're not here to take a stand and we're not 00:03:44.090 --> 00:03:46.389 here to take a promotion or any of that. But 00:03:46.389 --> 00:03:49.169 what we are here to do is to acknowledge that 00:03:49.229 --> 00:03:52.349 You know what? Life's a little bit messy. It's 00:03:52.349 --> 00:03:54.469 so different. And it's been really difficult 00:03:54.469 --> 00:03:56.250 for me, Deb. I just got to be honest. You know, 00:03:56.270 --> 00:03:58.590 I try to get on this podcast and put on a happy 00:03:58.590 --> 00:04:01.530 face. You know, I get on stage at work and that's 00:04:01.530 --> 00:04:04.349 the one area, one of the areas where I feel so 00:04:04.349 --> 00:04:07.110 blessed. I love my career. I love what I do for 00:04:07.110 --> 00:04:12.169 a living, you know, and all of that. But there's 00:04:12.169 --> 00:04:16.180 just a lot of messed up stuff going on. You know, 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:19.800 I you wreck your motorcycle on Memorial Day. 00:04:20.379 --> 00:04:23.199 A month later, I'm having shoulder surgery. Two 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:25.040 months after that, I'm having another shoulder 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:28.660 surgery. Where the heck did summer go? You know, 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:33.160 so wow. Right. Poor me. Poor me. And that's and 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.220 that's really kind of, you know, if I were to 00:04:35.220 --> 00:04:37.939 be talking to and I can almost hear their voices, 00:04:37.939 --> 00:04:42.910 you know, Big Al and. John Lala two of my sponsors 00:04:42.910 --> 00:04:45.029 in a a they're both passed on I can hear them 00:04:45.029 --> 00:04:47.410 both saying that to me You know if I'm sitting 00:04:47.410 --> 00:04:50.470 down at at the coffee shop with big Al for example 00:04:50.470 --> 00:04:52.050 That's where he'd want to meet and he's like 00:04:52.050 --> 00:04:53.610 what's going on in your world? And if I just 00:04:53.610 --> 00:04:57.050 told him what I told you he'd say when you know, 00:04:57.050 --> 00:05:02.230 you know what it's a are you sober? If you're 00:05:02.230 --> 00:05:07.680 sober and you're drawing air And all of that, 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.199 everything else is bonus. That's what Lala would 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:13.500 say. Everything else is just a bonus, Scott. 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:16.699 And I have to remember that. It's hard to put 00:05:16.699 --> 00:05:18.300 things in perspective, though, especially when 00:05:18.300 --> 00:05:21.639 you're in the thick of it. It is so hard, especially 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:23.420 when you're dealing with things you do not want 00:05:23.420 --> 00:05:25.620 to deal with, that you don't want to feel, that 00:05:25.620 --> 00:05:27.439 you don't want to see with your own eyes. There 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.800 are days you just want to kind of, I want to 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:32.680 close my eyes and just curl up in a ball and 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.660 have a really long nap. I want to wake up when 00:05:35.660 --> 00:05:37.899 I don't when I can feel different when it's all 00:05:37.899 --> 00:05:41.160 over. Yes. Yes. When it's all when it's all resolved. 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.740 Yes. Yeah. But, you know, the reality ain't going 00:05:44.740 --> 00:05:47.540 to happen. No, no. And it doesn't happen. Yeah. 00:05:47.620 --> 00:05:50.139 And we we just keep going through. You know what? 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:54.399 That reminds me of the other day I've been I've 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:56.740 been kind of bounced around in the Doctrine Covenants. 00:05:57.149 --> 00:06:00.569 And I was in Doctrine and Covenants 136. I know 00:06:00.569 --> 00:06:02.569 we're not there yet in the come follow me, but 00:06:02.569 --> 00:06:06.209 in verse 11 in Doctrine and Covenants 136, 11, 00:06:06.290 --> 00:06:09.649 it says, and if you do this with a pure heart 00:06:09.649 --> 00:06:14.829 in all faithfulness, ye shall be blessed. Ye 00:06:14.829 --> 00:06:17.430 shall be blessed in your flocks. You shall be 00:06:17.430 --> 00:06:19.930 blessed in your herds and in your fields and 00:06:19.930 --> 00:06:23.589 in your houses and in your families. And I just 00:06:23.589 --> 00:06:27.509 thought, you know what? We just need to have 00:06:27.509 --> 00:06:32.430 that faith and the obedience that we will be 00:06:32.430 --> 00:06:35.430 blessed in all things. I mean, I know we don't 00:06:35.430 --> 00:06:37.670 have herds and flocks, but what is my herd and 00:06:37.670 --> 00:06:42.389 what is my flock? By that scripture I wrote, 00:06:42.490 --> 00:06:45.110 I just want to see God's hand in everything. 00:06:44.649 --> 00:06:48.629 everything in my life, literally everything. 00:06:48.889 --> 00:06:50.829 And so I've, I've kind of put on a different 00:06:50.829 --> 00:06:53.689 pair of glasses to just say, where can I see 00:06:53.689 --> 00:06:57.769 God? And he is everywhere. Like every morning 00:06:57.769 --> 00:06:59.509 when I'm driving to work, I look at that East 00:06:59.509 --> 00:07:02.170 mountain and I see that sun rays coming over 00:07:02.170 --> 00:07:04.209 and I'm like, Hey Jesus, this is a good day to 00:07:04.209 --> 00:07:07.189 come. I think this is a really good day to just 00:07:07.189 --> 00:07:09.470 come and make this all right. Cause there's a 00:07:09.470 --> 00:07:14.660 lot of people carrying heavy burdens. like hard, 00:07:15.100 --> 00:07:17.879 hard, heavy stuff. And we have talked to many 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:22.360 of you and feel your pain and grieve with you, 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:28.000 which is so hard. I wonder, you know, we often 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.759 hear and I think that I can't go find it and 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.019 quote it exactly, but I'd be surprised if I was 00:07:33.019 --> 00:07:35.980 wrong. But I think that there's a lot of places 00:07:35.980 --> 00:07:38.680 where our apostles and prophets have talked about 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:42.660 Heavenly Father is hastening his work. hastening 00:07:42.660 --> 00:07:45.740 his work. So I wonder if, you know, you and I 00:07:45.740 --> 00:07:48.600 talk about this stuff every day, obviously. Well, 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:50.560 maybe it's not obvious, but we do talk about 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:52.180 this stuff every day. That's one of the things 00:07:52.180 --> 00:07:54.620 I think that makes yours and my relationship 00:07:54.620 --> 00:07:57.860 kind of cool, kind of special, you know, is we 00:07:57.860 --> 00:08:00.360 have all of this, all these things in common. 00:08:01.300 --> 00:08:03.660 I wonder if it's because we're getting older 00:08:03.660 --> 00:08:08.660 that we're more sensitive to the effects of sin, 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:12.610 to the effects of the fallen world. To the effects 00:08:12.610 --> 00:08:16.529 of physical and spiritual death or I wonder if 00:08:16.529 --> 00:08:19.670 there's or if this is part of the hastening Well, 00:08:19.670 --> 00:08:23.029 you know when the prophet says at the pulpit 00:08:23.029 --> 00:08:27.149 It will be impossible to survive spiritually 00:08:27.149 --> 00:08:31.009 Without the without the gift of the Holy Ghost. 00:08:31.009 --> 00:08:35.210 Yeah, we need him. We need the spirit We need 00:08:35.210 --> 00:08:38.470 to have something there and he talks about the 00:08:38.470 --> 00:08:41.679 tumultuous times, right? I had to Google tumultuous. 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:46.200 Oh, what did you learn? That it's bad. Yeah, 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:49.960 tumultuous is I mean, there are a lot of I told 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:51.720 you it's not primary talk. So I have to Google 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:55.460 big words. But, you know, I don't remember exactly 00:08:55.460 --> 00:08:59.960 the definition. But it's tumultuous means not 00:08:59.960 --> 00:09:04.639 calm, not peace, not easy going. And it's not 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:07.559 just Few of us that are going through tumultuous 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:11.500 things. Yeah, the entire world is going through 00:09:11.500 --> 00:09:14.320 tumultuous times Yeah, maybe I could just say 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:17.019 to our listeners right now listeners if there 00:09:17.019 --> 00:09:21.139 is tumult Tumultuous times in your life. Raise 00:09:21.139 --> 00:09:22.940 your hand right now. How many hands do you think 00:09:22.940 --> 00:09:31.620 just went up? Exactly, maybe I could ask a question 00:09:31.620 --> 00:09:33.299 a different way and have a different response 00:09:33.299 --> 00:09:36.149 but Also, in all seriousness, though, I think 00:09:36.149 --> 00:09:39.090 you're right. Yeah, I believe that there is a 00:09:39.090 --> 00:09:41.590 quickening. I believe that there is a hastening. 00:09:41.769 --> 00:09:46.230 I believe that as we draw closer to the end of 00:09:46.230 --> 00:09:48.710 times and as we draw closer to that beautiful, 00:09:48.889 --> 00:09:51.269 glorious day of rapture when he'll come again, 00:09:51.610 --> 00:09:56.610 I believe that we will continually, potentially. 00:09:56.750 --> 00:09:59.149 And I think, you know, we hear it from our apostles 00:09:59.149 --> 00:10:03.480 and prophets. I think that this is the way it's 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.639 going to be. And so if that's the case, we need 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:12.299 to be prepared. Yeah, we have to prepare ourselves 00:10:12.299 --> 00:10:16.820 to be able to go through the things that he is 00:10:16.820 --> 00:10:21.759 asking us, inviting us, assisting us to go through 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:25.149 to draw us closer. to him. Well, you know, I 00:10:25.149 --> 00:10:26.990 asked this question a lot in Institute and I 00:10:26.990 --> 00:10:29.929 say, you know, how many of you have had an incredibly 00:10:29.929 --> 00:10:32.889 spiritual growth moment in your life? And you 00:10:32.889 --> 00:10:35.269 know, hands go up. And then the next question 00:10:35.269 --> 00:10:38.750 I ask is, when you were going through that big 00:10:38.750 --> 00:10:42.490 growth experience, was it easy? I mean, it's, 00:10:42.490 --> 00:10:45.730 it's just, it's never easy when we're uncomfortable. 00:10:46.490 --> 00:10:50.389 I just, I just don't think we grow in the calm. 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:53.779 We enjoy it now when the calm comes. It's like 00:10:53.779 --> 00:10:55.860 you better enjoy it because it's not gonna be 00:10:55.860 --> 00:10:59.940 here very long But it's it's so crazy for me, 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.460 especially I think of the times that I really 00:11:03.460 --> 00:11:09.259 had to cry out and plead for help and guidance 00:11:09.259 --> 00:11:14.500 and direction and inspiration and Revelation 00:11:14.500 --> 00:11:18.500 because I wasn't comfortable I wasn't just floating 00:11:18.500 --> 00:11:21.820 through life because my life was just rainbows 00:11:21.820 --> 00:11:25.159 and butterflies. It was hard. And that's when 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:28.600 I grew the most. And that's when I knew I had 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.779 a Heavenly Father that knew my name. That's when 00:11:31.779 --> 00:11:35.820 I knew that I have a brother, Jesus Christ, that 00:11:35.820 --> 00:11:38.860 knows exactly what I'm going through because 00:11:38.860 --> 00:11:42.679 he was in a garden and drip drops of blood and 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:47.740 hung on a cross and suffered for me. And I knew, 00:11:47.899 --> 00:11:50.559 I know that because of the hard things that I 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:52.659 have endured and I have the things that I have 00:11:52.659 --> 00:11:55.940 gone through and I'm, I don't want to, I mean, 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:59.100 I don't want to wish that on anyone unless you 00:11:59.100 --> 00:12:02.340 could get that same result in that knowing because 00:12:02.340 --> 00:12:05.580 knowing that he's there makes the next hard thing 00:12:05.580 --> 00:12:10.019 a little bit more bearable for the simple fact 00:12:10.019 --> 00:12:13.159 that I know I get to learn something in this. 00:12:13.340 --> 00:12:15.259 And you know what, there are sometimes that I 00:12:15.259 --> 00:12:18.120 don't see the lesson I just saw the hard, but 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.600 those are probably my eyes, my spiritual eyes 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.620 not being open. And I'm just feeling sorry for 00:12:23.620 --> 00:12:26.360 myself, which is probably true too. Over the 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:29.360 past few episodes, a couple, I think maybe three, 00:12:29.379 --> 00:12:33.069 two or three, we've talked about faith. faith 00:12:33.069 --> 00:12:35.850 in Jesus Christ and and we and we moved into 00:12:35.850 --> 00:12:38.909 a little bit about into the power of faith and 00:12:38.909 --> 00:12:41.009 we could probably spend and maybe even should 00:12:41.009 --> 00:12:43.889 but we're not going to more time on faith in 00:12:43.889 --> 00:12:45.629 there and I think dub I think the reason that 00:12:45.629 --> 00:12:48.149 you and I have decided that it's okay for us 00:12:48.149 --> 00:12:52.029 to move now into the topic that we'll be talking 00:12:52.029 --> 00:12:55.470 about or that we'll be addressing and visiting 00:12:55.470 --> 00:12:59.570 with more Detail over the next probably two or 00:12:59.570 --> 00:13:02.889 three maybe more episodes is really okay. Faith 00:13:02.889 --> 00:13:05.289 is good Let's maybe we could do a little recap 00:13:05.289 --> 00:13:11.830 right in the very beginning of this or this Season 00:13:11.830 --> 00:13:15.669 we talked about who we are And we talked about 00:13:15.669 --> 00:13:18.049 whose we are and how come that's so why that's 00:13:18.049 --> 00:13:20.610 so important Then we talked about Heavenly Father's 00:13:20.610 --> 00:13:24.350 plan and we talked about the fall how the fall 00:13:24.350 --> 00:13:27.210 is ubiquitous we're all affected by the fall 00:13:27.210 --> 00:13:29.950 of Adam and Eve every one of us and in many many 00:13:29.950 --> 00:13:32.610 ways in some the same ways in some ways that 00:13:32.610 --> 00:13:35.129 are different from each other but we're all affected 00:13:35.129 --> 00:13:37.710 by the fall of Adam and Eve and sin is a part 00:13:37.710 --> 00:13:41.929 of that and other things spiritual physical death 00:13:41.929 --> 00:13:45.389 things are a part of that too for example you 00:13:45.389 --> 00:13:48.049 know I have an autoimmune disease and that's 00:13:48.049 --> 00:13:51.409 been kind of messing with me again lately too 00:13:52.090 --> 00:13:54.850 And I know that many other people out there do 00:13:54.850 --> 00:13:57.330 I I know that you just made reference to a friend 00:13:57.330 --> 00:13:59.990 of ours Who's dealing with some pretty serious 00:13:59.990 --> 00:14:04.850 cancer issues? And we pray for her And we have 00:14:04.850 --> 00:14:07.070 others that have gone through and are going through 00:14:07.070 --> 00:14:09.570 some of these same things and these are all the 00:14:09.570 --> 00:14:13.309 effects of being separated From our Heavenly 00:14:13.309 --> 00:14:16.590 Father by coming to earth by taking on mortality 00:14:16.590 --> 00:14:19.889 by getting this gift You know and we talked about 00:14:19.889 --> 00:14:23.340 how we should even celebrate Our mortality we 00:14:23.340 --> 00:14:26.200 should even celebrate our fallenness be grateful 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:29.960 for the fall and be grateful for that Just a 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:33.139 great lesson for me to learn to become thankful 00:14:33.139 --> 00:14:35.460 for the fall Why am I thankful for the fall? 00:14:35.460 --> 00:14:37.940 Well, and you know and maybe sometimes I have 00:14:37.940 --> 00:14:41.360 to in my mind take a trip back to that or those 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:44.059 couple of episodes or those Experiences that 00:14:44.059 --> 00:14:46.419 we've had in Institute where we talk about how 00:14:46.419 --> 00:14:49.259 being grateful for the fall Because if it wasn't 00:14:49.259 --> 00:14:51.620 for the fall of Adam and Eve, we wouldn't know 00:14:51.620 --> 00:14:53.460 pain. But if we didn't know pain, we wouldn't 00:14:53.460 --> 00:14:56.980 know joy. Right. We wouldn't if we didn't have 00:14:56.980 --> 00:14:59.039 the fall of Adam and Eve, we wouldn't have sorrow. 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:00.580 But if we didn't have sorrow, we wouldn't have 00:15:00.580 --> 00:15:05.899 joy. Right. Right. We go through the fall and 00:15:05.899 --> 00:15:09.799 we get discouraged and depressed. But if we didn't 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.750 have. the opposition because of the fall, we 00:15:12.750 --> 00:15:16.850 wouldn't understand hope and peace and encouragement 00:15:16.850 --> 00:15:22.129 and all of that. Top among all of that, probably 00:15:22.129 --> 00:15:26.009 our agency. That's the one thing that whenever 00:15:26.009 --> 00:15:29.929 I pray personally, when I say my personal prayers, 00:15:30.009 --> 00:15:32.750 almost without exception, I thank my Heavenly 00:15:32.750 --> 00:15:36.389 Father for my agency. And then sometimes I even 00:15:36.389 --> 00:15:39.149 ask him, can you remind me why I chose it though? 00:15:40.560 --> 00:15:43.580 I don't think that's an unfair question. No to 00:15:43.580 --> 00:15:47.320 ask him and he often answers it Well, and I think 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:50.200 when we get to the other side and we see what 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:52.379 you know There's a talk about this mortality 00:15:52.379 --> 00:15:56.399 works about a lady that had Massive challenges 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:59.100 here on this earth and when she passed through 00:15:59.100 --> 00:16:01.580 the veil she visited I believe her son I could 00:16:01.580 --> 00:16:04.100 be telling this wrong and I'm sorry if I am But 00:16:04.100 --> 00:16:06.820 I just remember the the conference talk about 00:16:06.820 --> 00:16:10.710 it is all for our good I mean in Joseph Smith 00:16:10.710 --> 00:16:13.929 hears that in in the Carthage Jail or where our 00:16:13.929 --> 00:16:16.970 Liberty Jail Liberty Jail Yeah, which was actually 00:16:16.970 --> 00:16:19.929 elder just quickly elder Holland called Liberty 00:16:19.929 --> 00:16:23.350 Jail because of that a temple prison Yeah, yeah, 00:16:23.970 --> 00:16:26.230 but it's it's those kind of moments that it's 00:16:26.230 --> 00:16:31.009 like can I see? The gift that comes in the in 00:16:31.009 --> 00:16:35.429 the challenge. Can I see that and it is it is 00:16:35.429 --> 00:16:39.080 work? And there are times that, you know, I'm 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:41.000 sure I am the only one that feels this, but there 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:42.919 are times I don't want to get on my knees and 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.340 say my prayers. Yeah, you're absolutely the only 00:16:45.340 --> 00:16:48.519 one. There are times that I do not want to open 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:53.059 my scriptures and read. I mean, there, you know, 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.600 there's another conference talk. I am a conference 00:16:55.600 --> 00:17:00.200 talk like junkie, but that talks about how Heavenly 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.990 Father is in relentless pursuit of us. And you 00:17:03.990 --> 00:17:06.109 know what? He's not the only one that's in relentless 00:17:06.109 --> 00:17:09.130 pursuit. And we feel the adversary pulling and 00:17:09.130 --> 00:17:12.549 pulling and tugging and discouraging us. And 00:17:12.549 --> 00:17:16.349 I feel that. I totally feel that. There are days 00:17:16.349 --> 00:17:18.170 that I feel like I'm on top of the world. I'm 00:17:18.170 --> 00:17:20.130 up, I'm in reading my scriptures, listening, 00:17:20.509 --> 00:17:23.009 and I'm getting, you know, that feeling. And 00:17:23.009 --> 00:17:24.890 then there's other days that I'm like, I'm not 00:17:24.890 --> 00:17:26.569 getting out of this bed and I'm not opening my 00:17:26.569 --> 00:17:28.730 scriptures today. I'm running late for work and 00:17:28.730 --> 00:17:30.730 I'm going to... And you know what? I feel it. 00:17:30.809 --> 00:17:33.869 I know the difference. And I remember hearing 00:17:33.869 --> 00:17:35.529 people say that and I'm like, well, good for 00:17:35.529 --> 00:17:38.910 you. Hallelujah. I mean, that's bad attitude, 00:17:39.069 --> 00:17:43.190 Deb, but it's like, I'm living that now and it 00:17:43.190 --> 00:17:46.369 takes effort. And sometimes I just have to do 00:17:46.369 --> 00:17:49.269 the one thing prayer. I mean, the one word prayer 00:17:49.269 --> 00:17:54.210 of whatever. Sounds like a lot of work. I know. 00:17:54.369 --> 00:17:56.109 But if it sounds like a lot of work, then why 00:17:56.109 --> 00:18:00.019 do it? I mean, I'm asking. Honestly and truthfully. 00:18:00.019 --> 00:18:04.200 I love how I feel Yeah after and I hate how I 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:07.920 feel before after You know if I choose out I 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:10.460 hate how I feel. Oh, I see I hate but I love 00:18:10.460 --> 00:18:13.900 how I feel if I choose in I see I mean, and so 00:18:13.900 --> 00:18:16.519 I know the net result. It's like going to the 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:20.640 gym Sometimes I absolutely hate going But I have 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:24.140 never left the gym Saying I wish I wouldn't have 00:18:24.140 --> 00:18:28.130 gone same thing for the temple This is such an 00:18:28.130 --> 00:18:30.470 inconvenience. I don't have time for this. I 00:18:30.470 --> 00:18:32.750 have never walked out of the temple and said, 00:18:32.829 --> 00:18:35.769 gosh, I wish I wouldn't have gone. Ever. Ever. 00:18:36.150 --> 00:18:40.190 I love how I feel. So the effort to me is worth 00:18:40.190 --> 00:18:42.210 it because I know how it's going to make me feel 00:18:42.210 --> 00:18:46.930 in the long run. In this podcast and in the book, 00:18:47.029 --> 00:18:49.890 The Divine Gift of Forgiveness and in our Institute 00:18:49.890 --> 00:18:55.150 class, and literally because of our laser focus 00:18:55.150 --> 00:18:58.279 on this topic, Everything that we're talking 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:03.380 about here is really encapsulated in Jesus Christ's 00:19:03.380 --> 00:19:05.920 atonement. Everything that we heal, everything 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:09.380 that gets better, everything that gets more comfortable, 00:19:09.859 --> 00:19:12.660 everything that we're given the strength to overcome, 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:15.759 everything that we're given the power to go through 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:20.539 is because of Christ's atonement. We know that 00:19:20.539 --> 00:19:23.920 Christ's atonement is administered to us by who? 00:19:24.529 --> 00:19:26.869 The Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost, right? So we 00:19:26.869 --> 00:19:29.890 know that when we're filling the Holy Ghost in 00:19:29.890 --> 00:19:32.769 our life, we know what, Deb? That the atonement 00:19:32.769 --> 00:19:34.750 of Jesus Christ is working in our life. That 00:19:34.750 --> 00:19:36.849 we are being forgiven. That we're being forgiven 00:19:36.849 --> 00:19:40.170 of our sins. So we're either are forgiven or 00:19:40.170 --> 00:19:42.490 are in the process of being forgiven of our sins. 00:19:42.509 --> 00:19:45.130 So when I feel the Holy Ghost in my life, I know 00:19:45.130 --> 00:19:48.269 that I'm either am forgiven or am in the process 00:19:48.269 --> 00:19:51.430 of being forgiven of my sins and what else. The 00:19:51.430 --> 00:19:55.730 what else part for me is sometimes even, I was 00:19:55.730 --> 00:19:57.450 gonna say more important, I'm gonna leave it 00:19:57.450 --> 00:20:00.579 there. I can be argued out of that potentially, 00:20:01.339 --> 00:20:03.579 but I'm going to leave it there. Maybe even as 00:20:03.579 --> 00:20:06.059 important as that is for me to know that the 00:20:06.059 --> 00:20:08.279 atonement of Jesus Christ is at work in my life, 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.000 comforting me through double shoulder surgery 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:14.700 in the last eight weeks. Oh, and it's not just 00:20:14.700 --> 00:20:18.000 the physical. Because it has, it has affected 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:20.420 you emotionally too. Oh, big time. And mental. 00:20:20.500 --> 00:20:22.759 Yeah. And I don't, I don't know that we always 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:25.859 prepare ourselves for what that, what comes, 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:28.799 you know, and then with, with having someone 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:33.579 I love dearly that is going through those challenges 00:20:33.579 --> 00:20:36.779 and physically uncomfortable and mentally struggling 00:20:36.779 --> 00:20:39.900 and emotionally, like it's like that's wearing 00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:44.559 on me, you know, and I have to plead and say, 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.339 you know, lift me, help me be his support. I 00:20:48.339 --> 00:20:50.640 don't have this magic button to heal him physically, 00:20:51.140 --> 00:20:53.559 but how can I support him mentally and emotionally 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:56.519 and spiritually? You know, it's, it's a ripple 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:58.680 effect and we are affected by each other and 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:01.640 how we feel and others around us. Absolutely. 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:06.880 Absolutely. So what I do know is that when I 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:10.359 and I've had this thought I've had this feeling 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:14.039 More than once lately that that feeling of just 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:17.279 oh my gosh. I just want to give up There's just 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:19.420 part of me that's just like, I just want to be 00:21:19.420 --> 00:21:22.319 done. Please just let whatever that looks like. 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:24.819 Even if that means you have to take me, let me 00:21:24.819 --> 00:21:26.880 be done with this. You know, and it goes, it 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.079 comes and goes. And those of you who know me, 00:21:29.180 --> 00:21:30.819 whatever, call me a wimp, whatever you want to 00:21:30.819 --> 00:21:32.819 call me, I don't care. But that's what I happen 00:21:32.819 --> 00:21:36.119 to be going through in some of those times. Right. 00:21:37.019 --> 00:21:41.210 But I do know that when I'm feeling that Sometimes 00:21:41.210 --> 00:21:44.250 the help and the hope through Christ's Atonement 00:21:44.250 --> 00:21:48.789 seems like it's so distant to me. Because the 00:21:48.789 --> 00:21:51.789 thing that's in front of me is where my focus 00:21:51.789 --> 00:21:55.710 seems to be. And when my focus remains there, 00:21:55.809 --> 00:21:58.930 I get more of what is remaining there. In other 00:21:58.930 --> 00:22:01.710 words, if I'm focused on poor me, why did I have 00:22:01.710 --> 00:22:03.890 to do this? Why can't I just, you know what I 00:22:03.890 --> 00:22:06.049 mean? Yeah, get better. Exactly. Or why did I 00:22:06.049 --> 00:22:07.349 even have to go through it in the first place? 00:22:07.369 --> 00:22:10.279 I'm a healthy young guy. Yeah. I'm not young, 00:22:10.380 --> 00:22:12.839 but I'm a healthy guy. In my mind, I'm young. 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:15.740 Right. Literally, you know, I ski, I bike. I 00:22:15.740 --> 00:22:18.680 mean, I do all this stuff that guys 20 years 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.670 younger than me do, you know. But here I am going 00:22:21.670 --> 00:22:23.650 through this and I start feeling for myself and 00:22:23.650 --> 00:22:26.970 I feel so distant from any help. I feel so distant 00:22:26.970 --> 00:22:30.349 from any hope. And when I start feeling that 00:22:30.349 --> 00:22:32.250 distance and we're going to we're going to reference 00:22:32.250 --> 00:22:34.410 a talk by Elder Holland here towards the end 00:22:34.410 --> 00:22:37.250 of the podcast today where we talk about this. 00:22:37.509 --> 00:22:41.130 But when I'm feeling that distance, I know that 00:22:41.130 --> 00:22:43.599 nobody moved. I didn't even move. You know, it's 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:45.740 just my perspective, because I've heard often 00:22:45.740 --> 00:22:47.759 somebody will say, well, if you're not feeling 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:50.059 the spirit, who moved? And you were feeling it, 00:22:50.059 --> 00:22:51.759 who moved? I'm not going to take that blame. 00:22:52.059 --> 00:22:54.579 And I'm not going to cast that blame on others. 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:56.279 If you're not feeling the spirit, you didn't 00:22:56.279 --> 00:22:59.079 necessarily move. Sometimes that's just the way 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:02.440 it is. But when I don't and when I'm feeling 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:05.819 that despair and I had the wherewithal and the 00:23:05.819 --> 00:23:09.500 memory to plead to Heavenly Father, Please just 00:23:09.500 --> 00:23:12.619 remind me of my worth. Remind me of my purpose. 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:16.740 Remind me of your purpose. Remind me of your 00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:21.200 son's purpose. And all of this inevitably. And 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:24.559 it is literally without exception at some point 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:29.599 I feel some better. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So. 00:23:30.170 --> 00:23:32.450 How do we do that? You know, we talk about faith. 00:23:32.529 --> 00:23:34.390 We were just alluding to that. We just kind of 00:23:34.390 --> 00:23:36.269 went through all the other steps and things that 00:23:36.269 --> 00:23:39.309 we've talked about so far in the podcast. We 00:23:39.309 --> 00:23:42.450 talk about the atonement of Jesus Christ. To 00:23:42.450 --> 00:23:44.809 access the atonement of Jesus Christ requires 00:23:44.809 --> 00:23:48.789 us to do something. One thing, what is that? 00:23:49.049 --> 00:23:53.309 Repent and come unto me, right? I love the way 00:23:53.309 --> 00:23:57.529 it will get into, you know, some high level repentance 00:23:57.529 --> 00:24:00.829 stuff today. And I really love the way, Deb, 00:24:00.829 --> 00:24:03.349 that you explain this to our students every year 00:24:03.349 --> 00:24:06.809 or every semester in Institute. But do you mind 00:24:06.809 --> 00:24:09.670 just kind of giving us your perspective on what 00:24:09.670 --> 00:24:12.730 is repentance? What does that even mean? Well, 00:24:13.190 --> 00:24:17.529 back in the day, growing up, like I said, I attended, 00:24:17.529 --> 00:24:20.029 you know, primary and young men, young women, 00:24:20.029 --> 00:24:24.549 and I I understood repentance as I've done something 00:24:24.549 --> 00:24:27.329 really bad and I need to go confess that I got 00:24:27.329 --> 00:24:31.410 to go to the bishop and more mortify myself and 00:24:31.410 --> 00:24:35.329 confess my sins. That's literally, I mean, because 00:24:35.329 --> 00:24:39.970 there was, there was a step process of, um, I 00:24:39.970 --> 00:24:41.529 can't even remember them. They were a bunch of 00:24:41.529 --> 00:24:45.960 ours, reconcile and, and I don't even remember 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:49.799 them. Anyways, and so I honestly, when I heard 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:53.299 the word repentance a lot growing up, I was like, 00:24:53.380 --> 00:24:55.900 oh, I hope I don't have to repent for this. Do 00:24:55.900 --> 00:25:00.000 you know what I mean? I had this interesting 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:06.779 sign of what it meant. And as I studied and as 00:25:06.779 --> 00:25:09.720 I... learned, and I even listened to yours and 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:12.460 Dave's podcast to really understand this, and 00:25:12.460 --> 00:25:15.500 the divine gift of forgiveness was probably the 00:25:15.500 --> 00:25:19.519 biggest help for me to understand that repentance 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:24.259 just means turning our back to what we don't 00:25:24.259 --> 00:25:30.160 want and turning our face and our bodies to Jesus 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:36.029 Christ. When I learned that repentance was change, 00:25:36.490 --> 00:25:39.190 that I just need to change my focus, change my 00:25:39.190 --> 00:25:45.009 direction, change my heart, change my glasses, 00:25:45.569 --> 00:25:49.089 you know, my poor, pitiful glasses to my, I can 00:25:49.089 --> 00:25:52.569 see glasses. I can see God's hand in my life 00:25:52.569 --> 00:25:57.029 glasses. Just change. Just that little simple 00:25:57.029 --> 00:26:00.269 thing change that when, and even when President 00:26:00.269 --> 00:26:05.029 Nelson said, find joy in daily repentance. And 00:26:05.029 --> 00:26:06.769 I'm like, that's a lot of sinning we do if we 00:26:06.769 --> 00:26:10.990 daily repent. But realistically, it is a constant 00:26:10.990 --> 00:26:14.390 change. And I plead for change. I mean, I know 00:26:14.390 --> 00:26:18.029 I am mortal. I know I screw up. I know I mess 00:26:18.029 --> 00:26:20.869 up. I know I say things I shouldn't and do things 00:26:20.869 --> 00:26:24.089 I shouldn't. I get that. But when I can, when 00:26:24.089 --> 00:26:28.009 I know that I can immediately turn my back on 00:26:28.009 --> 00:26:30.890 that and say, Heavenly Father, I am so sorry. 00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:35.019 Jesus, thank you for carrying this for me, for 00:26:35.019 --> 00:26:39.180 dripping this one for me, or whatever it is that 00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:43.920 I just get to. It's not a have to, I get to change. 00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:48.579 Right. It's been that way for me too. I used 00:26:48.579 --> 00:26:50.960 to see repentance the same way you did, or the 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:53.160 same way you just explained it. We can't be alone. 00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:56.660 No, I think that's, I know we're not alone. I 00:26:56.660 --> 00:26:58.880 don't know how many hundreds, maybe thousands 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:02.019 now of Institute kids that we've taught over 00:27:02.019 --> 00:27:06.119 the last five years in our Institute callings 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.779 at BYU, but I bet every one of them have felt 00:27:08.779 --> 00:27:11.579 that way. And all the other leaders have felt 00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:13.500 that way and every leader that I've ever served 00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:16.140 with and elders corn Presidencies and other capacities 00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:17.880 has felt that way and every leader that you've 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:20.440 ever Served with has felt that way and I have 00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:23.339 state presidency friends and and so on who feel 00:27:23.339 --> 00:27:26.380 that way And all of that too, so I know that 00:27:26.380 --> 00:27:29.500 we're not the only ones that feel that way I'm 00:27:29.500 --> 00:27:34.380 grateful that I would I have been able to change 00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:38.220 literally, change that perception of repentance 00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:43.059 because I totally misunderstood it. When I saw 00:27:43.059 --> 00:27:45.460 repentance that way and when I would hear things 00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:48.920 and President Nelson said that since my perspective 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.220 has changed when he said that we should find 00:27:51.220 --> 00:27:54.720 joy in daily repentance, my perspective had already 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.099 changed about that. But when I would hear things 00:27:57.099 --> 00:28:01.359 akin to that, prior to that and prior to my perspective 00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:04.700 around repentance changing much the same way 00:28:04.700 --> 00:28:09.869 yours did, I would feel an indictment. Felt indicted 00:28:09.869 --> 00:28:12.049 like I was getting in trouble every day, you 00:28:12.049 --> 00:28:13.690 know, well, of course I make mistakes every day 00:28:13.690 --> 00:28:15.930 So what am I supposed to count my mistakes and 00:28:15.930 --> 00:28:17.509 then take them to the Lord and say here's where 00:28:17.509 --> 00:28:20.529 I screwed up again You know, yeah, but you're 00:28:20.529 --> 00:28:22.650 getting bullet point two three four sure proud 00:28:22.650 --> 00:28:24.990 of me. Here's this one again sure proud of me 00:28:24.990 --> 00:28:27.150 Here's that one again sure proud of me. Here's 00:28:27.150 --> 00:28:30.890 this one again again again again again human 00:28:30.890 --> 00:28:35.740 again, right and and I know Now, that that was 00:28:35.740 --> 00:28:40.279 never his experience. That was my experience, 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:44.599 but my experience based on a lie. Based on a 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:49.039 lie. So, when I think of repentance today, I 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:53.299 think of repentance today like nurturing a relationship. 00:28:54.099 --> 00:28:57.400 That's what repentance is to me today. When I 00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:01.420 am in the posture of repentance, I am in the 00:29:01.420 --> 00:29:06.500 posture of nurturing a divine relationship with 00:29:06.500 --> 00:29:10.680 heavenly parents and a savior who, as you said, 00:29:11.099 --> 00:29:15.160 died for me, who suffered all, all of my iniquities, 00:29:15.460 --> 00:29:18.200 all of my infirmities. Why? So he would know 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.750 how to succor me according to Alma 7. And you 00:29:22.750 --> 00:29:24.650 know what? The more that goes on in this world, 00:29:24.730 --> 00:29:27.670 the more I think that garden of Gethsemane must 00:29:27.670 --> 00:29:31.329 have been absolutely brutal. I mean, I just look 00:29:31.329 --> 00:29:36.269 at the turmoil and the horrific things that are 00:29:36.269 --> 00:29:39.849 going on in this world. And I just like, he went 00:29:39.849 --> 00:29:46.480 below that. He suffered all things. Way below 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:49.680 that. And I know very little compared to what 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.839 has happened and what is happening and what is 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.940 going to happen. But the little bit that I know 00:29:55.940 --> 00:30:02.960 is huge. It's big enough. And I literally stand 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:09.799 all amazed. It blows my mind. I agree 100 % with 00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:14.089 all of that. And additionally, I just want to 00:30:14.089 --> 00:30:18.890 re -emphasize, you know, I think so often, maybe 00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:21.430 I'm super sensitive, hyper sensitive, I would 00:30:21.430 --> 00:30:24.410 even say to this, because I was so hyper sensitive 00:30:24.410 --> 00:30:26.730 to the word repentance. Whenever I heard the 00:30:26.730 --> 00:30:30.029 word, whenever I would hear somebody talk about 00:30:30.029 --> 00:30:37.369 repentance, I felt so indicted. So accused. Interesting, 00:30:37.630 --> 00:30:39.970 right? Yeah, because who is the accuser? Exactly. 00:30:40.269 --> 00:30:43.589 Revelations 12, the accuser, right? But it's 00:30:43.589 --> 00:30:46.849 different today. And you know what had to make 00:30:46.849 --> 00:30:50.170 it different for me today is I really had to 00:30:50.170 --> 00:30:55.289 go back to the very beginning of the of the season. 00:30:55.670 --> 00:30:58.690 Not now, but, you know, in theory, you know, 00:30:58.690 --> 00:31:01.410 when I first got into recovery, for example, 00:31:01.529 --> 00:31:04.230 you know, my life, taken a nosedive pretty hard. 00:31:04.529 --> 00:31:06.730 My life today is pretty sweet compared to what 00:31:06.730 --> 00:31:10.069 it was then for sure. And it taken a pretty hard 00:31:10.069 --> 00:31:13.549 nosedive and I was really incentivized to do 00:31:13.549 --> 00:31:18.269 something. And as I began to really just pour 00:31:18.269 --> 00:31:20.470 out my heart and we read about prophets and we'll 00:31:20.470 --> 00:31:22.569 read about these guys, you know, ether and we'll 00:31:22.569 --> 00:31:24.369 read about Alma the younger and we'll read about 00:31:24.369 --> 00:31:28.390 others next week as we dive more into this term 00:31:28.390 --> 00:31:30.849 repentance. But when I would hear that word repentance, 00:31:30.930 --> 00:31:34.509 I would just recoil, almost gets sick to my stomach. 00:31:34.710 --> 00:31:37.809 And much of it was because I was being accused. 00:31:38.210 --> 00:31:42.309 Much of it was because I was guilty. We all are. 00:31:42.950 --> 00:31:45.650 But there's but there's little hope for me if 00:31:45.650 --> 00:31:50.349 there's no change. And I realized that repentance 00:31:50.349 --> 00:31:54.190 should create and cause change. But where repentance 00:31:54.190 --> 00:31:57.190 really came important to me, Deb, is when I began 00:31:57.190 --> 00:32:01.309 to establish and develop a real relationship. 00:32:01.529 --> 00:32:06.890 you know not a judge uh versus the accused type 00:32:06.890 --> 00:32:09.970 of relationship but a relationship with a loving 00:32:09.970 --> 00:32:15.230 father a relationship with a son who loved me 00:32:15.230 --> 00:32:19.069 enough to take upon him all of my iniquities 00:32:19.069 --> 00:32:23.329 i know like like lehi told jacob his son thou 00:32:23.329 --> 00:32:26.210 art redeemed because of the righteousness of 00:32:26.210 --> 00:32:29.769 thy redeemer yeah That's me. I'm redeemed because 00:32:29.769 --> 00:32:32.950 of Him, not because of me. There's nothing I 00:32:32.950 --> 00:32:38.450 can do to earn that. No matter how many times 00:32:38.450 --> 00:32:40.589 I feel stressed out about the word repentance 00:32:40.589 --> 00:32:43.430 and all of that, there's nothing I can do. The 00:32:43.430 --> 00:32:47.970 only thing I can do is continually come to Him 00:32:47.970 --> 00:32:51.930 and to remember that it is through the Spirit 00:32:51.930 --> 00:32:55.500 that all of these things are made right in my 00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:58.119 life, the spirit of the Holy Ghost. And so I 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.380 must work to keep the spirit of the Holy Ghost 00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:04.480 at work in my life. Yeah, one of the things that 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.519 that reminded me of is I'm not earning, I'm receiving. 00:33:08.099 --> 00:33:11.680 I love that. I wrote it down and I kept the paper 00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:14.079 right here. It's like, yeah, there's nothing 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:18.440 we can do to earn that, nothing. But we can receive 00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.180 it. Yeah, if we align with it, we can receive 00:33:21.180 --> 00:33:24.119 it and like you said it's that relationship when 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:28.859 you put forth effort in a relationship and You're 00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:32.200 giving to that relationship. It is inevitable 00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:35.759 that you will receive Yeah, inevitable. You can't 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:40.579 stop it the inevitable I have a just a clip from 00:33:40.579 --> 00:33:42.640 a talk here from Elder Holland that I want to 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:47.599 play Don't we all? I'm going to miss him. You 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.900 know, we had Jack Christiansen here in this very 00:33:50.900 --> 00:33:54.000 room several months ago, who's friends with Elder 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.539 Holland. And he told me, he says, Scott, he's 00:33:56.539 --> 00:33:58.859 not doing great, you know, and we can tell that. 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.880 And what a great, impactful man Elder Holland 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:06.279 is and has been and will forever be because the 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.500 immortality of the things that he's taught us. 00:34:09.860 --> 00:34:12.719 One of these things being that one of those things. 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:19.840 I do not know who in this vast audience today 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:24.699 may need to hear the message of forgiveness inherent 00:34:24.699 --> 00:34:29.519 in this parable. But however late you think you 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:33.639 are, however many chances you think you've missed, 00:34:34.090 --> 00:34:37.550 However many mistakes you feel you've made, or 00:34:37.550 --> 00:34:40.429 talents you think you don't have, or distance 00:34:40.429 --> 00:34:44.010 from home and family and God you feel you have 00:34:44.010 --> 00:34:48.429 traveled, I testify that you have not traveled 00:34:48.429 --> 00:34:53.329 beyond the reach of divine love. It is not possible 00:34:53.329 --> 00:34:57.190 for you to sink lower than the infinite light 00:34:57.190 --> 00:35:01.809 of Christ's Atonement shines. Whether you are 00:35:01.809 --> 00:35:06.559 not yet of our faith, or were once with us and 00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:10.800 have not remained, there is nothing in either 00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.340 case you have done that cannot be undone. There 00:35:15.340 --> 00:35:19.039 is no problem which you cannot overcome. There 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.239 is no dream that in the unfolding of time and 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:27.400 eternity cannot yet be realized. Even if you 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:31.360 feel you are the lost and last laborer of the 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:35.909 eleventh hour, the Lord of the vineyard still 00:35:35.909 --> 00:35:40.489 stands beckoning. Come boldly to the throne of 00:35:40.489 --> 00:35:44.650 grace and fall at the feet of the Holy One of 00:35:44.650 --> 00:35:50.030 Israel. Come and feast without money and without 00:35:50.030 --> 00:35:55.570 price at the table of the Lord. My beloved brothers 00:35:55.570 --> 00:35:58.989 and sisters, to those of you who've been blessed 00:35:58.989 --> 00:36:02.889 by the gospel for many years, because you were 00:36:02.889 --> 00:36:07.730 fortunate enough to find it early. And to those 00:36:07.730 --> 00:36:10.489 of you who have come to the gospel by stages 00:36:10.489 --> 00:36:16.190 and phases later. And finally, to those of you, 00:36:16.190 --> 00:36:19.750 member or not yet member, who may still be hanging 00:36:19.750 --> 00:36:25.800 back, to each of you, one and all, I testify 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.320 of the renewing power of God's love and the miracle 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:35.400 of His grace. His concern is for the faith at 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:39.500 which you finally arrive, not the hour of the 00:36:39.500 --> 00:36:43.599 day in which you got there. So if you've made 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.880 covenants, keep them. If you haven't made them, 00:36:47.019 --> 00:36:51.179 make them. If you've made them and broken them, 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:57.400 repent and repair them. It is never too late, 00:36:58.059 --> 00:37:02.440 so long as the master of the vineyard says there 00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:08.780 is time. Please listen to the prompting of the 00:37:08.780 --> 00:37:14.820 Holy Spirit telling you right now, this very 00:37:14.820 --> 00:37:19.719 moment, that you should accept the atoning gift 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:24.159 of the Lord Jesus Christ and enjoy the fellowship 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:31.000 of his labor. Don't delay. It's getting late. 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.739 that we have to deal with, that the things that 00:37:44.739 --> 00:37:46.980 come by way of the fall, the things that sometimes 00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:50.559 can confuse us, that it's less confusing if we 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.400 are in constant pursuit of a relationship with 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.519 Him through the Holy Ghost. Yeah, and it doesn't... 00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.860 He always magnifies my effort. You know, I feel 00:38:00.860 --> 00:38:03.519 like I put forth a little effort, and sometimes 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:05.559 even when I feel like I'm putting forth a lot 00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:09.429 of effort, it comes back to me tenfold. I mean, 00:38:09.570 --> 00:38:14.250 it's like one of those things that I can't, you 00:38:14.250 --> 00:38:18.409 know, get ahead. Not that I will ever, not that 00:38:18.409 --> 00:38:22.630 I'm... truly trying, but he just magnifies our 00:38:22.630 --> 00:38:26.210 efforts. He magnifies what we do. And it's so 00:38:26.210 --> 00:38:32.349 sweet to be able to be a recipient of that. Another 00:38:32.349 --> 00:38:34.610 quote from President Nelson. And I don't know 00:38:34.610 --> 00:38:36.449 where he said this. I didn't write it down. Maybe 00:38:36.449 --> 00:38:38.530 I'll have to find that and we'll readdress it 00:38:38.530 --> 00:38:42.090 next week. But when coupled with faith, repentance 00:38:42.090 --> 00:38:47.349 opens our access to the power of Jesus Christ's 00:38:47.349 --> 00:38:51.489 atonement. When coupled with faith, so last week 00:38:51.489 --> 00:38:54.090 and the week before, right? And it's actually 00:38:54.090 --> 00:38:58.130 the doctrine of Christ, right? Faith, repentance, 00:38:58.750 --> 00:39:01.750 baptism. Fourth article of faith. Exactly, exactly. 00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:06.960 Exactly. So when coupled with faith, repentance 00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.699 opens our access to the power of Jesus Christ's 00:39:10.699 --> 00:39:12.539 atonement. Jesus Christ's atonement will heal 00:39:12.539 --> 00:39:17.039 all things. It'll heal me. It'll heal you. And 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:21.260 sometimes that healing is in giving us the strength 00:39:21.260 --> 00:39:24.840 to deal with or to potentially overcome. Next 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.019 week we're going to talk way more about repentance. 00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.219 We need to talk about what repentance is. Sometimes 00:39:30.219 --> 00:39:33.219 it's important to... understand first, though, 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:36.380 what repentance is not. Next week, we will talk 00:39:36.380 --> 00:39:38.840 about what repentance is not. We've talked about 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.380 this in every single season that we've done this 00:39:42.380 --> 00:39:45.280 in the past, but we're going to do it again as 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:48.860 we move into what is repentance and to remember 00:39:48.860 --> 00:39:53.699 that repentance is the way we make connection. 00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:56.400 It is through repentance that we establish and 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.440 maintain a relationship with our heavenly parents 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.139 and our heavenly family. and that we have the 00:40:02.139 --> 00:40:06.119 opportunity to have Christ's atonement heal our 00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:07.820 lives. So as we close today, we just want to 00:40:07.820 --> 00:40:09.280 say that wherever you are and however you're 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.360 feeling, you're welcome here. You know, Jesus 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:13.159 isn't just waiting for you to clean everything 00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:15.920 up before you come to Him. He meets us in the 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.409 middle. in the middle of our mess and our tumultuous 00:40:19.409 --> 00:40:22.909 times. That's where His grace shines the brightest. 00:40:23.449 --> 00:40:26.769 So come as you are, broken, hopeful, questioning, 00:40:27.070 --> 00:40:29.730 searching. You are not alone. And you know what? 00:40:29.730 --> 00:40:32.610 We'd love to stay in contact with you or connected 00:40:32.610 --> 00:40:34.750 with you. If you have any thoughts or questions, 00:40:34.949 --> 00:40:36.889 you want to have stories you maybe want to share 00:40:36.889 --> 00:40:39.809 or questions you'd like us to address on the 00:40:39.809 --> 00:40:42.050 podcast or even just privately, please email 00:40:42.050 --> 00:40:45.670 us. He redeems us at gmail .com. We actually 00:40:45.610 --> 00:40:48.070 We also really appreciate any feedback. We got 00:40:48.070 --> 00:40:50.590 some important feedback from you, Brig, this 00:40:50.590 --> 00:40:52.989 last time and appreciate it very much. Thanks 00:40:52.989 --> 00:40:55.869 so much, Brig. We love him. We love you, Brig. 00:40:56.510 --> 00:41:00.329 And if this episode touched you or touched your 00:41:00.329 --> 00:41:02.789 heart, we hope that you would share it with someone 00:41:02.789 --> 00:41:04.949 you love, anyone that could use a little bit 00:41:04.949 --> 00:41:07.570 more hope right now, and faith. A little hope 00:41:07.570 --> 00:41:10.250 and faith in these tumultuous times. I keep bringing 00:41:10.250 --> 00:41:13.340 up that word. I like using it, I guess. You Googled 00:41:13.340 --> 00:41:15.079 it, you might as well. I did Google it. Yeah, 00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.699 next week we're going to talk about more about 00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:20.460 repentance. Again, I just mentioned that. But 00:41:20.460 --> 00:41:22.579 even more than that, I hope that we get the big 00:41:22.579 --> 00:41:24.440 picture of things. The big picture of things 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:26.400 is that we talk about how the Savior doesn't 00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:29.059 just redeem us, He heals us, He lifts us, and 00:41:29.059 --> 00:41:32.360 He transforms us in our everyday lives. Well, 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:34.880 we're so grateful for Him. Thanks for being with 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.340 us. And remember, there's always hope through 00:41:37.340 --> 00:41:41.000 Jesus Christ because you and I have been redeemed 00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.199 through His blood. Thanks everybody. We'll see 00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:45.059 you next time.