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Hey there, friends. Before we begin today's episode,

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I feel compelled to pause for just a moment.

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Yesterday, just a few short miles from our home

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here in Orem, Utah, tragedy struck with the assassination

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of Charlie Kirk. Our hearts and our prayers are

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with his family and with all of those who were

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there. Some of those who were there are close

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to us personally, and we've seen the fear and

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the sorrow. that this is stirred. In moments

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like this, when the world feels so dark and uncertain,

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we naturally wonder, as Deb's favorite hymn often

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cries out to us, where can I turn for peace?

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Where can peace be found? You know, last night

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Deb and I gathered with hundreds of young people

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at an institute devotional. We have both Utah

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Valley University and BYU students in our institute,

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so you can imagine the confusion that they were

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carrying into that room, and yet they came. They

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came searching for what we are all searching

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for right now, direction, comfort, assurance,

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peace, the knowledge that their path is acceptable

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to God, and they came seeking answers. And the

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answer is always the same. It's Jesus Christ.

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Through him fear can be replaced with faith Through

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him despair can be met with hope Through him

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sorrow can be softened into peace the Comforter

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the Holy Ghost applies his atonement Into our

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lives in a very real and personal way because

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Jesus Christ has redeemed us through his blood

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not only for eternity, but for this very moment,

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for tragedy, for grief, for questions that we

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cannot answer. And so while our hearts are heavy,

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we will not give in to fear. Our hope is steady.

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Because of Him, light will rise again. Comfort

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is real. Peace is possible. And it's in that

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spirit of hope. And with our eyes fixed on Him,

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that we begin today's episode. May God be with

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us all is our prayer. Hey there, everybody. Welcome

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out to another episode of Redeemed Through His

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Blood. I'm Scott Durfee joined, as always, by

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the beautiful Deborah Durfee. What's up, babe?

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Hi. Hi, friends. How are you? You know what?

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I'm good. I'm sitting in a really comfortable

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chair looking at you. OK, yeah. So I'm actually

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comfortable and good. Well, you're sweet. I'm

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sitting in a chair looking at you and a brand

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new painting that I have hanging above your head.

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It's pretty beautiful. It's pretty spectacular.

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I don't know how to describe it, but it's a picture

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of Jesus carrying his cross and it has some beams

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coming from behind it. And it shows the weight

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of the struggle that he is by himself struggling

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with carrying that cross. And it reminds me.

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To keep in perspective the things that we talk

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about here. Yeah, and everything else, right?

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Yeah, so It's yeah in a very small small small

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way. Yeah Small to us. I mean small compared

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to him. Yeah, but for us sometimes they're not

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small Sometimes they feel big and I think that

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you know our our capacity obviously is not the

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same as his and our Our royal birthright is even

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a little bit different than his, right? We have

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our own cross to bear, and we have our own Gethsemane.

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We sing about it in primary. I know we love that

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song. It's the kids favorite song. Yeah, primary

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program coming up, right? Yes, we do. So many

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people's favorite sacrament meeting. Mine for

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sure, hands down. Totally not mine. Yeah, I love

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it. I know you do. Because they sing and speak

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doctrine and you don't get more raw and truth

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than the primary program. And as soon as I say

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that, now I sound like a big jerk, you know,

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like what's wrong with the kids and stuff like

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that. I mean, I love it, but it's just different

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for me than I know that it is. Yeah, you like

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that boring, doctrinal like stuff at Education

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Week that you have to have seven degrees to understand

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what they're even talking about because they

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use words that I have to Google. Is that what

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you're talking about? That's not even close to

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what I'm talking about, Deb. None of the primary

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kids. I think they speak my language. Well, that's

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awesome. And they don't use words that I have

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to Google. Yeah, well, we have Institute beginning

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this week. Well, we're doing our kickoff this

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week. Yeah, well, it'll be the beginning of Institute

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with our kickoff this week. We're super excited

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about that. We begin a new semester. Fall semester

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is always my favorite. Because it's the biggest

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one well and because we have new faces not that

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we don't have new faces almost every semester,

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but in the fall, traditionally, that's when people

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go back to school and that's why we'll have tons

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of freshmen and tons of transfers. And I am so

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excited to to meet and get to get to know those

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souls that will be coming with us. Some of my

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greatest experiences in my life to date have

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been because of our experiences at Institute.

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And that's not I'm not saying that just to say

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it. You know, I say that without fear. a successful

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contradiction by anybody, because they just have

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been some of my most sacred and holy experiences

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have been the ones that I've had in institute.

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Well, we get taught by the Spirit. We learn and

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we grow and we study and then we testify and

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then these kids teach us and testify to us. Where

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one or more are gathered and there are a lot

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gathered. Yeah There I am and I'm telling you

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the spirit is incredibly strong and those young

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adults Below my mind with their devotion. Yeah,

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like they are Working in the temple. They are

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coming to Institute and they don't have to be

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there Like they take time in and even in summer

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semester I was mind blown because I was like

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if I could be outside I would Yeah, I would not

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be finding myself in a church in a chair to listen

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to some spiritual thing. That is a dirty truth

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out of my mouth. But that is some spiritual thing.

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I like to categorize that. I just I just I I

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always tell them, I said, I take my hat off to

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you guys that you make the effort to go seek

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and search for the spirit. Well, they understand

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they understand this lady because, you know,

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You said when two or more gathered in my name

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there I am also or whatever Yes, the way that

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he is there also is by way of his spirit And

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we know, and we'll get into this more and more

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as we go, especially when we start talking about

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instruments of grace in the role of the Holy

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Ghost and in our healing from the fall and from

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sin and from everything else. But when we get

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into that, we're going to learn or relearn, perhaps,

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or have the reconfirmation or retestifier, if

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you will, that it is the Holy Ghost. It's the

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Holy Spirit that administers, even administrates,

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administers and administrates the blessings of

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Jesus Christ's atonement in our lives. Yep. That's

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one thing I learned in the podcast and in Institute

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and teaching. And when we fill the Spirit, then

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we know that in all ways. the atonement of Jesus

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Christ is at work in our life. He's healing us

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from all things that are by way of the fall,

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as long as we're aligning with that healing,

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right? Which includes sin, which can include

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depression and anxiety and fear and loss and

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all those other things that we've talked about.

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But those things are only really overcomeable

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or we can really only have that experience through

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the Spirit. as we start to move into faith. I

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just had a thought. You did not. Don't act surprised.

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So you know when you're younger and you're challenged

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with something or you have a habit that you're

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trying to quit. And when you talk to a leader

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or something, they'll say, pray more fervently,

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read the scriptures more fervently. You know

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what? What they're what really they're saying

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is seek the spirit. Yeah. Go do something that

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will invite the spirit into your life. So when

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you're in a rough place, I mean, I know it's

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not the very first favorite place to go is to

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seek the spirit. Yeah. But That's why they say

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that. Yeah. That's why we hear that. Yeah. It's

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like do something that will invite the spirit.

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Well, and I know that I've been desperate enough

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to make those appeals. I think you probably have

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to, you know, to Heavenly Father in in lacking

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faith. But, you know, maybe an analogy I can

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give is and I think this will go right along

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with what we want to talk about. When I was really

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struggling, which let me rephrase that, throughout

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my life as I have struggled, because we all struggle

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for our life, right? And so throughout my life

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as I have struggled, I have had a few people

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who I have been dependent on for spiritual and

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moral support or whatever, right? One of those

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being my dad and another my mom. I've been able

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to go to them a lot, you know, for various things

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throughout my life, not just spiritual, but direction

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and education, for example, and various things

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like that. My grandpa, Durfee, I've shared on

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the podcast in the past through some of my darkest,

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deepest struggles and trials. I was able to go

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if the light was on in his office, I was able

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to go there and just knock on the window and

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he'd come open the door for me. And sometimes

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we'd sit there and talk to him. midnight, one

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in the morning, sometimes later. That's so cool.

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But you know why I could do that? I had a relationship

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with him. Yeah. I knew him. And you trusted him.

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And I knew he could be trusted because of the

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time that I had spent in developing that relationship

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with him. That's sweet and and there are a couple

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of others, you know Those aren't the only ones

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but you know for the sake of time and and they

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were two three of the most important for sure

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My mom and dad my grandpa Durfee. My grandma

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Durfee was always there too, but she just wanted

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to love me You know what? I mean, that's like

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you My grandma Durfee's like you my grandpa Durfee

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was full of wisdom and advice My grandma was

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probably the wisest one because her wisdom and

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advice came through hugs and kisses, you know

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That's a good save. I'll be like your Grandma

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Dorothy. I love her. People say that you are.

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I'm still waiting for you to cook cookies like

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her though. Well, as soon as every time I'll

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cook. I'm just kidding. We had a really cool

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experience this weekend. We got to have some

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of our cousins over. It just reminded me talking

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about Grandma and Grandpa, some of our Durfee

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cousins over. That was kind of a special experience.

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It was so awesome. You know, this gets back to,

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and I can tie this right back to what we're talking

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about here, the importance of... relationships.

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And connections, yes, absolutely. And connection,

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yeah, connection too. I mean, with no relationship,

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no connection, but a relationship's not enough.

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That relationship must contain connection in

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order for us to achieve what it is here that

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we're talking about, right? Yeah. But what a

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great, it was so cool, you know? And not only

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that, I'm going to go on a little bit. I'm going

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to go on a little bit of a ramble. Ram. Yeah,

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exactly. Ramble. Just a little bit. But some

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of these contain some miracles. I'm going to

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go back two weeks ago. When Brother Gurney stood

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up and said the prayer on Sunday, his wife had

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passed. In the sacrament. In sacrament meaning.

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His wife had passed. Within the year, right,

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babe? Oh, within the last month or two. Couple

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months at the longest. Super, super. Such a sweet,

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sweet, nice, great man. I've had opportunity

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to serve with him in various capacities over

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the years. Currently serve with him on activities

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committee right now. And I love this man to death.

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But when he prayed, he said the opening prayer

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on Sunday. Yes, he did. And he would be very

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embarrassed if he were to hear me share this.

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And I don't think he listens to the podcast,

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but he would be very embarrassed because I told

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him this later. that day and it embarrassed him

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actually wasn't later that day was a couple days

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later and it embarrassed him and he's just like

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oh I don't want any praise from man I don't want

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any praise from man but Deb when he spoke when

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he prayed when he prayed on Sunday that day so

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two Sundays ago I felt like he was in heaven

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talking to Heavenly Father face to face in front

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of me yeah that was a sweet heartfelt prayer

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yeah Yeah, he petitioned the spirit to be with

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us He prayed for those that weren't He prayed

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for those that weren't feeling comfortable with

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us and so so much more But every bit of that

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Deb was straight from his spiritual heart and

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I was out on my motorcycle shouldn't have been

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but I was out on my motorcycle a couple of days

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after that and I saw him out and I just pulled

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over and I told him, Bruce, you got to know how

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much I love you and what an impact you not only

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had on me, but I know you impacted the entire

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ward. So that set that Sunday, right? That was

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a miracle. We had a miracle on Saturday. a bit

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of a prodigal experience, and I'm not going to

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get into a ton of detail around it. I'm just

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going to say, parents, don't stop praying for

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your kids. Parents, don't stop going to the temple

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and listening to the covenant promises that are

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made available to us as we worship in the temple

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in behalf of our posterity. Because we got to

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have a bit of a prodigal son experience last

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Saturday, and what a beautiful... not everything's

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complete, not everything will be for... a little

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bit of time, but you know what, Deb, the door

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opened. Yeah, and it had been closed for a couple

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years. Been closed for almost three. Yeah. Yeah,

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and what a beautiful reunion and experience that

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was. So we had that. Well, I just have to say

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this. Yeah. When President Nelson, and I'm not

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kidding you when I say this, when President Nelson

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said, seek and expect miracles. Yeah, you took

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him in his word, huh? I took that serious. I

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really did. I was like, OK, God, the prophet

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said this and I am going to expect, seek and

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expect miracles. And that's why I knew that day

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would come. I just didn't know when. Unfortunately,

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I must admit my faith hasn't been as strong,

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but I'm thankful for the miracle. Maybe even

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more. It was pretty tender. I don't know. But

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President Nelson said what? Seek and expect miracles.

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That was in one of his conference addresses.

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I have listened to so many conference talks,

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I could probably give you one from the last 10

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years. I wake up every morning, our bathroom

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door in our bedrooms open, and Deb turns on a

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conference talk every morning. I love it. And

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sometimes I'll go sit out in the hot tub and

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try to listen to part of it, and sometimes I'll

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just bail. But that's awesome. So seek and expect

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miracles. And, you know, I think that we've been

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seeing quite a few of those over the last couple

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of weeks, just in our family. Super tender. Yeah,

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just in our own family and even more. There may

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be a little too sacred to get into and discuss

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deeply, but just just the fact to know. And this

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is what it is to me. Just the fact to know that

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Heavenly Father's aware of me, just to know.

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The Heavenly Father loves His children enough

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to share His power with them, the priesthood,

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and the power of the Holy Ghost and the power

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of Christ's Atonement, but specifically in this

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case, the priesthood, He loves us enough to share

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His power with us so that we can bless each other

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through Him. I definitely know that He knows

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our name. I definitely, I... testify. I know

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He knows our name. I know He knows our struggles.

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I know He knows what we're going through. And

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I know sometimes we don't think that we are worthy

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of Him or His love because I have felt that too.

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But because of some of the experiences that I

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have lived, I today know without a doubt. that

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he knows my name and he knows all of his children's

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name and he loves and cherishes every one of

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them. And I try to look at people and think God

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loves you and he cherishes you. That sweet experience

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that I had with Jessica when she was three years

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old with out of veil and her telling me about

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Heavenly Father was sad when I left. I guarantee

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he was sad when every single one of us left.

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I know He was. Because we are all His. We are

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divinely His. And I know He was sad when we left

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His presence. I know that. I don't believe it.

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I know that. Don't know why I know well grateful

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and if that's the case he wants us back and if

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that's the case He's provided a way for that

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to happen. But in the meantime, we got it. We

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got a struggle We have a we have a struggle.

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I don't mean we got a struggle Well in the next

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little but we have a struggle ahead of us Right

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and the next little piece of that was the next

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sentence that came out of that little angels

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mouth Straight from heaven when she said I said

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what else did Heavenly Father tell you? when

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she said remember my son right what a simple

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what a simple sentence it sounds so simple but

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do we remember him yeah and and I not only that

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but what does it even mean to remember him yeah

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I mean I always at Institute I always talk about

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when we leave the presence we are dismembered

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we are a part of him and when we come here we

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are dismembered from him so when we remember

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we are reconnecting making that relationship

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just like we said with family connection relationship

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we are remembering that relationship into that

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wholeness and completion which perfection equals

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wholeness right so or completion or completion

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right well I'm just grateful, grateful for the

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priesthood, the power of the priesthood, grateful

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for a blessing that I was able to receive last

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night that has been able to relieve a lot of

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discomfort that I've been dealing with because

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of some shoulder problems that I've got to get

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fixed next week and all of that. But just to

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know the Heavenly Father's aware of me, and I

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love that you just said that a few minutes ago,

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that how important that is and why that's so

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important to you is that He knows you, right?

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He knows all of us. I can't just call it mine.

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When my friends laid their hands on my head last

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night, Jake said to me in the blessing, words

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to this effect, your Heavenly Father wants you

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to know that He's aware of you. that he loves

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you, and he went on a little bit more. And when

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he said that, I've heard, and I've had this experience

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before too, and I've heard it from others, but

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it happened to me again last night. I received

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a witness that that's true. He does know me,

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and he is aware of me. And you know, how often

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do we tell this to kids in institute, to our

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students in institute, and our family, and people

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in gospel doctrine, and people in primary, and

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all the other places that we have an opportunity

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to serve. How many times do we tell them, he's

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just not... frustrated with us. He's not wringing

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his hands because of me. He knows me. He knows

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me better, obviously, than I do. He knows the

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beginning from the end for me. And it's through

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my faith in him and faith in his son and faith

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in all that was done through his son and faith

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in all that's made available because of his son,

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including covenant relationship, which we'll

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get into at a later date. But because of all

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of those things, Sweetheart. The trials, the

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tribulations, sounds so trite when you put them

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that way, trials and tribulations. But all the

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difficult, dark, ugly, yucky stuff that we deal

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with in life, there's opportunity for healing

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in that. Only through our faith in Jesus Christ.

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Yeah. Well, and where God is all -knowing, He

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knows the end. I mean, I think that's the important

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part to hold onto is we're not there. We're here

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in this trial state of learning and being changed

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and allowing our hearts to be broken and open

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so God can change us and not just change us,

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but maybe give us a new heart. And we've heard

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that numerous times. Right? Received His image

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in your countenance. Yeah. You know, we change.

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We literally change. Oh, yeah. When we take upon

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us the name of Christ through His atonement and

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all that. You know, sometimes people talk about

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past lives and different things like that. And

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I think in my life, I mean, in my almost 60 years

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of living, I feel like some of my... previous

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years, our past lives. I really do. I'm not that

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I'm not that person. I know. And I tolerated

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and I accepted and I chose so many different

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things than I ever would today. And I'm grateful

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today. I'm not saying I've arrived. Believe me,

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I am not saying that. You're pretty close. But

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you say you're pretty close. And that's good

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enough for me. How's that? That is not true.

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Delete that. Hey, last week we talked about faith,

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like we're talking about tonight. We talked about

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one of my favorite scriptures, I think yours

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too, we talk about a lot when we teach this topic

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in Institute especially, but it was in Alma 32,

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right? We already broke it down where we talked

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about the seed and the swelling of the seed and

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then the enlarging and the enlightening and if

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it's delicious to our taste and we would know.

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But we wanted to follow up with, because we invited

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our listeners last week, two weeks ago when we

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recorded, we invited our listeners to come up

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with some practical examples of how those show

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up in real life. In other words, how do they

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show up? Do they show up like courage in a tough

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conversation? Does it show up like peace in grief?

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Does it show up like strength in recovery? Does

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it show up like hope in discouragement? You know,

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I think it's important for us to just kind of

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recall what we went through on that because I

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think that really helps us understand, babe,

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why faith is so important. It's really easy for

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us, I think, to get caught up in the mundane

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things or maybe not mundane even, but the crazy

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things of life and just be going along and not

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give a second thought to faith and just be reacting

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and acting like we are just reacting to the situations

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in our life. You know, in the Doctrine and Covenants

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a couple weeks ago, in gospel doctrine, we talked

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about being acted or acting upon. You know, and

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I think it's when we have faith that's when we

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are able to take action rather than be acted

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upon. And obviously, so many reasons why that

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would be important for us. And again, we just

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invite you, our listeners, to go back through

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that. If you haven't done that exercise, please

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do it. And if you did it and feel like maybe

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you could do it again with some benefit, please

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do it again. We're just here to, you know, be

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with you as we all grow together. So just kind

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of... I need to do that again, too. Yeah? Yeah,

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just... You know take some personal inventory

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and where can I you know? Improve what if we

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went a little deeper this week and instead of

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just talking about that We talked about what

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is our faith in? What are we really planting

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our faith in? What or who I I was how I was having

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a conversation with my son today and He was telling

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me about some of the challenges that he's you

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know facing and I and he said but Let go and

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let God right and I said, you know, buddy, you

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got to remember that God is way bigger than any

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of your problems and I think if we I Couldn't

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continue to remember that that when I have challenges

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coming at me that I do have a God that is bigger

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than my challenges. I have a God that is bigger

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than my pain. I have a God that is bigger than

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my, my infirmities and my, my challenges, my

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frustrations. Um, we're getting ready for a big

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event at work and I, there's a lot of tension

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in my workplace and I get triggered easy, especially

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by people that do dumb things. That's my judgment.

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And I literally need to remember that these are

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God's children. These are, I need to have more

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charity. I have really been praying for this

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lately. I even say it when I go up four or six

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flights of stairs when I go to work from the

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parking garage up to the floor. And I literally

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say this when I'm stepping on those stairs, charity.

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Virtue charity virtue charity virtue because

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I really want it instilled in me It's not working

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perfectly, but I'm still trying to instill charity

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and virtue In my at work. I mean, I think that's

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one of my I mean I can definitely do it in primary

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I can do it in you know, mostly in my home, but

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I get out in that world. It's hard It's hard

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to have but have you seen a difference? Yeah

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I actually have, yeah, because I don't let things

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affect me as much as they used to because I've

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been pleading for that. I've been really asking

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Heavenly Father for help because it kind of consumes

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me sometimes. Well, you're doing pretty remarkably

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with it. I was just wondering if you had any.

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Yeah, so that's pretty great. I need faith because

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faith and fear cannot exist in the same person

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at the same time. And I am so fear -based and

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shame -driven that without faith, fear would

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literally run my life. I really believe that

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to a large degree, you know. I mean, I don't

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want to sound like myself. I'm putting myself

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down to the nth degree. I just know that some

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of the character defects I have in my life, that

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that's kind of how it would be because if I didn't

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have a relationship with Heavenly Father and

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His Son and the Holy Ghost and with somebody

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to have faith in, then of course I'd be filled

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with fear. That's what ran my life prior to becoming

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sober on October 26, 1998. And it took me some

00:28:07.769 --> 00:28:10.890
time after that to really begin to develop this

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walk with faith. And I'm still developing this

00:28:14.529 --> 00:28:18.990
walk with faith, right? I know that, you know,

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one of our, I just know that there are so many

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different levels. of faith. We talk about that.

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We have in the past. We're going to talk about

00:28:27.980 --> 00:28:29.660
more of those. Next week we'll really get into

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some of the power of faith type of experiences.

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But, you know, Deb, you asked me why do I need

00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.539
faith? The real reason is because faith and fear

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can't reside in the same person. Fear is not

00:28:44.299 --> 00:28:47.680
of Heavenly Father. Fear has nothing to do with

00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:51.680
the Spirit. Fear has nothing to do with Jesus'

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influence in my life. Fear has only to do with

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the accuser. Maybe we could just real quick turn

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there too. Let's go to, I'm going to turn to

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it and I'll read it, but in Revelations chapter

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12, this is why I need faith. And I think in

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large part, it might be a kind of an answer to

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why all of the human race, all of Heavenly Father's

00:29:13.809 --> 00:29:16.950
children, need, perhaps need faith at some. level.

00:29:17.170 --> 00:29:20.009
So in Revelations chapter 12, I'm going to go

00:29:20.009 --> 00:29:23.130
to verse, let's just start in verse 9, of course

00:29:23.130 --> 00:29:25.410
we're talking about the great dragon who is the

00:29:25.410 --> 00:29:28.809
devil, was cast out, that old serpent called

00:29:28.809 --> 00:29:31.829
the devil, and Satan which deceiveth the whole

00:29:31.829 --> 00:29:34.650
world. He was cast out unto the earth and his

00:29:34.650 --> 00:29:37.809
angels were cast out with him. Okay, stop. He

00:29:37.809 --> 00:29:43.039
deceiveth the whole world. So if faith is something

00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.039
that Heavenly Father wants us to have, He wants

00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.079
to deceive us, replace that with potentially

00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.380
fear, right? So deceive us the whole world. That's

00:29:51.380 --> 00:29:54.019
not the point though. And I heard a loud voice

00:29:54.019 --> 00:29:56.200
saying in heaven, now has come salvation and

00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.500
the strength of the kingdom of our God and the

00:30:00.500 --> 00:30:03.359
power of His Christ. I love that title of Jesus,

00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:08.299
the power of His Christ. I love that name. One

00:30:08.299 --> 00:30:11.339
of my favorite names of Jesus the power of his

00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:16.500
Christ and The power of his Christ for the accuser

00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:18.740
of our brother and is cast down which accused

00:30:18.740 --> 00:30:22.720
them before God day and night Okay, so what does

00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.920
he accuse us of? You should be afraid You should

00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.819
be worried. You should have anxiety. You should

00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:32.480
compare yourself to others and through that feel

00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.119
different or inferior. You should look at your

00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:37.440
children and see how they're not living the gospel

00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:39.880
compared to other people's children in your family,

00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.299
in your neighborhood, in your ward, in your circle

00:30:42.299 --> 00:30:44.859
of life, and see yourself as a failure because

00:30:44.859 --> 00:30:48.059
you couldn't get them to get right. Be resentful.

00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.720
Have judgment. Yeah. All of that. So many things.

00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.900
And we all have opportunity to partake in the

00:30:55.900 --> 00:30:59.220
accusations of the accuser. Well, it's live and

00:30:59.220 --> 00:31:03.200
healthy. For sure. At least on a daily basis.

00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.279
And I know that I have an opportunity to partake

00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.400
in that multiple times a day. But not good enough.

00:31:07.420 --> 00:31:10.019
Should I choose? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Not good enough.

00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.769
How can I ever quit this addiction? I have tried

00:31:13.769 --> 00:31:16.670
so many times. How could I ever overcome this?

00:31:16.809 --> 00:31:20.670
Why even try? Why even try? It's too hard. You

00:31:20.670 --> 00:31:23.269
know? Yeah. Why get out of bed? I'm too depressed.

00:31:23.970 --> 00:31:27.579
Right. Yeah. Why go out in public when I feel

00:31:27.579 --> 00:31:30.079
like I'm being judged and ridiculed because of

00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:32.440
who I am and what I am? Why would I go to sacrament

00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:35.740
meeting when I'm smoking still? Why would I go

00:31:35.740 --> 00:31:37.680
to sacrament meeting when I'm still drinking?

00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.720
And these are questions I could have asked myself

00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:45.839
back then. And it keeps a lot of us away for

00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.559
fear. You know what that reminds me of is every

00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:53.180
time an angel appears, the first thing they always

00:31:53.180 --> 00:31:58.940
say is, fear not. Every time they appear. That

00:31:58.940 --> 00:32:01.299
is the first... Is that true? Every time? Well,

00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.799
I... Seems like it, right? I don't know. You

00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:06.640
could prove me wrong. No, I'm not trying to.

00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.779
I just hadn't thought of that before. But I remember,

00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:13.880
I mean, numerous times. I mean, when the angels...

00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.799
I mean, even when Christ was born and the angels

00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:18.460
came to the shepherds and said their first thing

00:32:18.460 --> 00:32:23.099
was, fear not. Yeah. When an angel... Yes, every

00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:24.740
time I remember... I'm sure you're right. Hearing

00:32:24.740 --> 00:32:29.180
about an angel coming Through the veil to us

00:32:29.180 --> 00:32:32.900
the words are fear not know they aren't hey you

00:32:32.900 --> 00:32:34.660
better hide. He knows what you've been doing

00:32:34.660 --> 00:32:39.279
exactly Their fear not it's like get rid of the

00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:42.500
accuser belief system, and let's go back into

00:32:42.500 --> 00:32:45.400
faith So how do we overcome the accuser? This

00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.740
is the point right and this is where? By faith

00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:53.609
should and needs to be placed is in this process

00:32:53.609 --> 00:32:56.269
to help us overcome the accuser the accusations

00:32:56.269 --> 00:32:58.250
that I'm not enough the accusations that I've

00:32:58.250 --> 00:33:00.609
gone too far and all of those other things so

00:33:00.609 --> 00:33:05.410
this is in verse 11 and they meaning we because

00:33:05.410 --> 00:33:07.950
this was the pre -existence and they overcame

00:33:07.950 --> 00:33:11.890
him by the blood of the lamb I find it interesting

00:33:11.890 --> 00:33:15.750
that even the atonement covered us there in the

00:33:15.750 --> 00:33:19.279
pre -existence sure did yeah Well, we hear about

00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:21.680
when we read about scriptures, they were they

00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:25.500
were hoping that the Savior would come and the

00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:28.019
atonement. I mean, think about in Matthew, Mark,

00:33:28.099 --> 00:33:30.380
Luke and John. Yeah. I mean, they were they were

00:33:30.380 --> 00:33:32.200
praying for a savior. They were all waiting.

00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:35.839
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they were we're we're going

00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:38.359
to the past where they were going to the future.

00:33:38.420 --> 00:33:41.200
Yeah. Yeah. So and I'll read that again. They

00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.539
overcame him by the blood of the lamb and the

00:33:44.539 --> 00:33:48.440
word of their testimony. And they loved not their

00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.680
lives unto the death. So they were willing to

00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.240
go to the wall for him. They were just willing

00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.480
to go all the way for him. They loved his life

00:33:56.480 --> 00:34:00.119
more than their own. And the way that we do that,

00:34:00.460 --> 00:34:03.740
Dub, is that we see that it was through his blood,

00:34:04.660 --> 00:34:07.680
through his blood that we overcame the accuser

00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:11.300
there. It's through his blood that we overcome

00:34:11.300 --> 00:34:15.300
the accuser here and remember him in all of his

00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:19.699
various forms Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, he purchased

00:34:19.699 --> 00:34:23.300
us with his blood. Yeah Literally purchased us.

00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.690
We are his You know one of the things that I've

00:34:26.690 --> 00:34:30.409
learned additionally and in the rooms of recovery

00:34:30.409 --> 00:34:33.510
One was what I just said is that fair and faith

00:34:33.510 --> 00:34:35.969
can't exist in the same person at the same time

00:34:35.969 --> 00:34:38.329
That's important for me to always remember that

00:34:38.329 --> 00:34:40.670
I shared a story I'm not going to get into it

00:34:40.670 --> 00:34:43.030
here, but I showed a story a couple of seasons

00:34:43.030 --> 00:34:47.690
ago about my sponsor And how I was going through

00:34:47.690 --> 00:34:50.889
this inventory on anger with him and after we

00:34:50.889 --> 00:34:52.809
got through with it He told me so Scott you're

00:34:52.809 --> 00:34:56.949
not angry. You're fearful And because fear was

00:34:56.949 --> 00:34:59.090
really dominating my whole life. And so, you

00:34:59.090 --> 00:35:01.489
know, maybe I say that by way of invitation to

00:35:01.489 --> 00:35:04.090
those of us who feel like we are dealing with

00:35:04.090 --> 00:35:08.590
some other emotion, anger, rage, whatever. Maybe

00:35:08.590 --> 00:35:12.130
take a look at it from a vantage point of fear

00:35:12.130 --> 00:35:15.110
through the lens of fear. Because if we are really

00:35:15.110 --> 00:35:16.730
seeing our life through the lens of fear, it's

00:35:16.730 --> 00:35:18.710
going to feel like those other things. And if

00:35:18.710 --> 00:35:21.730
we really are feeling fear, we know how to overcome

00:35:21.730 --> 00:35:24.769
fear through the blood of the lamb. And that's

00:35:24.769 --> 00:35:27.500
the answer to our problems, right? I can think

00:35:27.500 --> 00:35:31.500
of so many, so many times when in Alcoholics

00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:33.380
Anonymous, and you know, and I definitely was

00:35:33.380 --> 00:35:35.780
part of this, and I know you've had this experience

00:35:35.780 --> 00:35:38.099
with others that you've seen and worked with

00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:40.860
yourself, Deb, but so often, you know, we come

00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:45.239
in and so often, you know, we're, you know, pull

00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.159
ourselves up by the bootstraps sort of people,

00:35:48.219 --> 00:35:51.139
and we're gonna conquer this problem, we're gonna

00:35:51.139 --> 00:35:53.460
take it on, you know, we'll be okay, we're gonna

00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:57.460
get positive attitude going. You know and all

00:35:57.460 --> 00:36:02.380
of that and and then we just realized that Without

00:36:02.380 --> 00:36:06.619
faith fear and self -reliance just kind of dominate

00:36:06.619 --> 00:36:10.659
us and Fear and self -reliance learning to just

00:36:10.659 --> 00:36:13.079
I think that there's an important part of self

00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.239
-reliance I think there's there kid that we need

00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.260
to learn to take care of ourselves place for

00:36:17.260 --> 00:36:19.820
sure It's it's important for sure but not when

00:36:19.820 --> 00:36:22.519
it comes to this stuff our reliance reliance

00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.639
when it comes to faith needs to be on him 100

00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.849
% holy And isn't that an interesting balancing

00:36:27.849 --> 00:36:30.349
act because there are things that we can control

00:36:30.349 --> 00:36:34.309
and things that we're in control of. Ish. Yeah.

00:36:34.469 --> 00:36:36.889
The illusion of control. Like putting food in

00:36:36.889 --> 00:36:39.050
your mouth every day, like going to the gym every

00:36:39.050 --> 00:36:41.070
day, like getting up and going to work or getting

00:36:41.070 --> 00:36:44.429
out of bed every day. That's that's self -reliant

00:36:44.429 --> 00:36:48.260
is what you're talking about. But. Yeah, but

00:36:48.260 --> 00:36:50.679
when we but when we carry self -reliance to the

00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:53.400
point where if it is to be it's up to me that

00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.699
kind of thing Right, you know where it's just

00:36:55.699 --> 00:36:59.639
up to me to fix me Right, and that's where that's

00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:02.159
where we get tripped up because we're carnal

00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:05.260
and devilish. We are here to fall down We are

00:37:05.260 --> 00:37:10.539
here to be broken. We are here to need not want

00:37:10.539 --> 00:37:18.380
need a Savior. Yeah We are nothing without him.

00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.099
Wayne Dyer, I used to listen to him years ago

00:37:22.099 --> 00:37:25.380
and he said, you know, when we are born, we are

00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:29.579
literally born naked and vulnerable with no thing,

00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:34.019
nothing. We come here on this planet and we learn

00:37:34.019 --> 00:37:38.559
things and we collect things. But when we exit

00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:43.239
this planet, we take no thing with us, nothing.

00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.400
So all these treasures that we feel like we are

00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:51.079
accumulating, don't you think there is a lot

00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:57.079
we can learn about the middle, like where we

00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:02.679
are now, about nothing, no thing, that dependency.

00:38:03.059 --> 00:38:06.320
Because if you can possess it, you can lose it.

00:38:06.579 --> 00:38:09.539
It's not ours anyways. Even my wedding ring right

00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:12.800
here is not really even mine. It stays on this

00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:18.880
planet. I mean literally, my breath is his. And

00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.880
I remember when I process that in my brain thinking,

00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:29.780
wow, am I attached to things? Do I need to detach

00:38:29.780 --> 00:38:33.159
from the things that, because I can't take anything

00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:37.639
with me. No money, no antiques, no treasures,

00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:41.000
no special jewelry from great aunt, uncle, grandma,

00:38:41.099 --> 00:38:44.519
whatever. I mean, there has been a lot of times

00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.940
I have had to take like a really hard look at

00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:52.139
the attachment I have to things and learn a lot

00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:56.239
about my literally my nothingness and my pure

00:38:56.239 --> 00:39:00.519
dependency on Him. Your dependency on Him. You're

00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:03.260
talking about a relationship. Yeah, you're talking

00:39:03.260 --> 00:39:06.139
about your when you say dependency on him your

00:39:06.139 --> 00:39:09.800
you mean Because and through your because of

00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:12.679
and through your relationship with him You have

00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:15.860
trust that you can depend on him that he will

00:39:15.860 --> 00:39:18.559
make the wrongs right in your life Yeah, you

00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:22.199
know and I he has yeah, I'm not really good at

00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.639
always giving him that You know turning my will

00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:29.519
in my life over sure, but You know, I put I put

00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.760
it to a little bit of a test. Yeah. You know,

00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.699
I have had experiences in my life where I have

00:39:34.699 --> 00:39:37.119
had to and I've shared it numerous times when

00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.639
I was 17 years old and had to make a really big

00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:44.559
decision. Right. That was a life that I had to

00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:50.579
depend. I learned my dependency, that I was absolutely

00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:55.519
no thing, nothing without him. I'm going to read

00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.170
you a quote. Tell me what you think of this.

00:39:58.769 --> 00:40:02.389
It is by knowing the character, perfections,

00:40:02.769 --> 00:40:06.710
and attributes of God that men are enabled to

00:40:06.710 --> 00:40:11.389
exercise faith in Him unto life and salvation.

00:40:12.389 --> 00:40:16.230
I'll read it again. It is by knowing the character,

00:40:16.309 --> 00:40:19.369
perfections, and attributes of God that men are

00:40:19.369 --> 00:40:23.929
enabled to exercise faith in Him unto life and

00:40:23.929 --> 00:40:26.829
unto salvation. What does that mean? Well, I

00:40:26.829 --> 00:40:28.869
go back to that relationship that you had with

00:40:28.869 --> 00:40:32.789
your grandpa. Yeah, you knew him This is life

00:40:32.789 --> 00:40:35.170
eternal right that they might know thee the only

00:40:35.170 --> 00:40:37.789
true God in Jesus Christ whom thou has sent right

00:40:37.789 --> 00:40:40.650
you spent time with him You learned he learned

00:40:40.650 --> 00:40:43.829
more about him. Okay, and you trusted him, but

00:40:43.829 --> 00:40:47.010
in order to know him I had to you just said it

00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:50.699
spend time with him In order to know Him, I had

00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:54.260
to have experiences with Him wherein I was able

00:40:54.260 --> 00:40:58.219
to open up and feel like I was getting a positive

00:40:58.219 --> 00:41:01.420
experience. Does that make sense? Did I say that

00:41:01.420 --> 00:41:04.559
weird or what? But that I was getting a positive

00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:08.280
experience or getting redirected in a way that

00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:10.719
was loving, kind, and sometimes a little bit

00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:13.480
stern. But it was nonetheless all part of Heavenly

00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.860
Father's plan for me. Does that make sense? Absolutely.

00:41:16.300 --> 00:41:18.739
And you know what? I think that's what again

00:41:18.739 --> 00:41:22.340
a conference talk that I recently listened to

00:41:22.340 --> 00:41:26.119
about make an appointment with the Lord live

00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:30.500
to it like make sure that you show up make sure

00:41:30.500 --> 00:41:33.460
that you're there because he's always there for

00:41:33.460 --> 00:41:37.699
me I'm the one that ditch out so do I make an

00:41:37.699 --> 00:41:40.340
appointment do I make time for him every single

00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:44.960
day to commune with him to connect with him to

00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:50.909
remember him Those those are those sacred moments

00:41:50.909 --> 00:41:54.710
that I get to learn to trust that I get to learn

00:41:54.710 --> 00:41:59.429
to and the on the quote by knowing the character

00:41:59.429 --> 00:42:03.110
Perfections and attributes of God. Yeah Knowing

00:42:03.110 --> 00:42:05.550
you can't know them without like you said being

00:42:05.550 --> 00:42:08.230
with him spending time with him Yeah, having

00:42:08.230 --> 00:42:10.730
a desire to be more like him and in today's world.

00:42:10.730 --> 00:42:14.670
It is hard really hard to be still Because we

00:42:14.670 --> 00:42:18.010
have so much coming at us in this electronic

00:42:18.010 --> 00:42:22.369
world. It's crazy. I get up at five in the morning

00:42:22.369 --> 00:42:26.389
to be still, and it's still a challenge for me.

00:42:26.869 --> 00:42:29.010
Like, not everything's still at five a .m., just

00:42:29.010 --> 00:42:33.170
so you all know. Good to know. I think I'll keep

00:42:33.170 --> 00:42:38.030
sleeping then. Yep, just being still. Knowing

00:42:38.030 --> 00:42:42.280
who he is, who he really is. helps us trust who

00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.159
we are. And so when I say I am a child of God

00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:48.619
and He has sent me here, all of that, when I

00:42:48.619 --> 00:42:51.079
say that and I know Him, I can trust that what

00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.000
I'm saying is true. And if I can trust what I'm

00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.800
saying is true in that case, then I can trust

00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.920
that my life will heal from whatever imperfections

00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:04.059
come its way. Yeah. Do we trust holy? Yeah. Literally

00:43:04.059 --> 00:43:07.940
holy in Him. I mean, I do to a certain degree,

00:43:07.940 --> 00:43:10.960
but I don't into a lot of degrees. So yeah, for

00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:14.199
sure. It's a challenge. So and then and then

00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:15.920
here's another saying that I think is important.

00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.840
Faith is not just in things getting better. You

00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.000
know, it's not that we just have faith that things

00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.840
are going to get better. What it is, it really

00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.219
is that we have faith in Jesus Christ himself,

00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:31.679
his love, his power, his willingness to act in

00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.239
our lives, whatever that may look like for our

00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.829
own good. And, you know. And I know because we've

00:43:39.829 --> 00:43:42.190
both had experiences that weren't super comfortable

00:43:42.190 --> 00:43:46.210
that By looking back at them with an eye of faith

00:43:46.210 --> 00:43:49.969
have been for our growth and good. Yeah, right

00:43:49.969 --> 00:43:53.510
I think of you know when we talk about relationship

00:43:53.510 --> 00:43:56.670
And I and I maybe we can just kind of end on

00:43:56.670 --> 00:43:58.650
this story unless you have something else to

00:43:58.650 --> 00:44:01.969
add when I'm done Deb But you know in if we'll

00:44:01.969 --> 00:44:04.230
remember the children of Israel you know, when

00:44:04.230 --> 00:44:06.710
Moses was leading the children of Israel out

00:44:06.710 --> 00:44:10.789
of captivity, and after the golden calf experience

00:44:10.789 --> 00:44:12.409
and the Ten Commandments experience, whatever,

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and then they had to live on manna, right? And

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then, you know, we know the faith that it required,

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they had to have faith that they could only pick

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up manna when it was, they couldn't store it

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except on the Sabbath, you know, and various

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things like that. But another thing that happened

00:44:28.869 --> 00:44:31.389
while they were there is there were flying serpents.

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And these flying serpents, if they would bite,

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it would be deadly. And many of the children

00:44:37.349 --> 00:44:40.989
of Israel, we read about this recanted also in

00:44:40.989 --> 00:44:43.030
the Book of Mormon, or recounted rather in the

00:44:43.030 --> 00:44:46.530
Book of Mormon as well, as they're telling the

00:44:46.530 --> 00:44:50.849
story there as well. But the Lord told Moses,

00:44:51.489 --> 00:44:54.250
create a brazen serpent and put it on a staff.

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And when somebody gets bit, just tell them to

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look at the staff. And if they look at the staff,

00:44:59.710 --> 00:45:04.639
they will be healed. Well, obviously a little

00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.079
too simple even for the children of Israel, you

00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.500
know, I think we live in a troubled time You

00:45:09.500 --> 00:45:11.239
know, that would definitely probably be the case

00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:14.219
today as well But I think to myself if that was

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if that if I was invited to do that and I was

00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:19.239
in that situation Would I look at that staff

00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.980
now? Obviously we know that that staff is a representation

00:45:22.980 --> 00:45:25.199
of Jesus Christ on the cross and then it's through

00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:29.019
him on the cross that we are all eventually healed

00:45:29.019 --> 00:45:32.610
of all things eventually, so long as we put our

00:45:32.610 --> 00:45:35.969
trust in Him. But I think of how easy it was

00:45:35.969 --> 00:45:39.170
for them and how hard it was for them at the

00:45:39.170 --> 00:45:43.010
same time. Just that one ask, just look unto

00:45:43.010 --> 00:45:46.690
Me. You know, and we read it all the time in

00:45:46.690 --> 00:45:48.949
Doctrine and Coven 6, just look unto Me in every

00:45:48.949 --> 00:45:52.030
thought. Doubt not, fear not. Well, apparently

00:45:52.030 --> 00:45:54.309
looking unto Him is the anecdote for doubt and

00:45:54.309 --> 00:45:56.389
fear. But how easy is it to look unto Him? I

00:45:56.389 --> 00:45:58.730
don't know. That's the children of Israel. You

00:45:58.730 --> 00:46:00.789
know, maybe we sometimes struggle with those

00:46:00.789 --> 00:46:03.530
same things. And so maybe as part of and, you

00:46:03.530 --> 00:46:05.030
know, and I'm going to wrap my part of it here

00:46:05.030 --> 00:46:06.829
and I'll let you say whatever you need or want

00:46:06.829 --> 00:46:08.969
to say, Deb, when when I conclude here. But,

00:46:09.010 --> 00:46:11.150
you know, maybe part of my invitation this week

00:46:11.150 --> 00:46:14.329
to all of us would just be to take a look at

00:46:14.329 --> 00:46:18.010
where maybe we are a little bit lacking. Where

00:46:18.010 --> 00:46:20.429
could we with just a little tiny bit of effort

00:46:20.429 --> 00:46:23.150
on our own part better align with his will for

00:46:23.150 --> 00:46:26.369
us, better aligned for his graces and mercies,

00:46:26.630 --> 00:46:28.769
better will be aligned so that we can feel the

00:46:28.769 --> 00:46:32.090
power of His love at work in our lives all the

00:46:32.090 --> 00:46:34.750
time. So, you know, next week we'll continue

00:46:34.750 --> 00:46:36.730
more. We'll talk a lot more about faith. I think

00:46:36.730 --> 00:46:38.909
we'll be talking about that for a few more weeks,

00:46:39.170 --> 00:46:43.269
Dub. But this is so important because this is

00:46:43.269 --> 00:46:44.969
really, and I said it last week, but this is

00:46:44.969 --> 00:46:48.110
really, when we talk about faith, this is really

00:46:48.110 --> 00:46:52.550
what creates the impetus behind our process and

00:46:52.550 --> 00:46:55.889
our progress in putting on Christ's Atonement.

00:46:56.809 --> 00:46:59.429
through it, healing from the things in our lives.

00:46:59.889 --> 00:47:03.889
Yeah. And I think again, making an appointment,

00:47:03.889 --> 00:47:07.909
you know, taking that sacred time for yourself

00:47:07.909 --> 00:47:11.670
to commune. And even if it's partaking of the

00:47:11.670 --> 00:47:14.889
sacrament on Sunday, it's it takes a practice

00:47:14.889 --> 00:47:18.630
for me to to close my eyes and tune out to the

00:47:18.630 --> 00:47:21.989
noise that I'm hearing in the chapel. Those precious

00:47:21.989 --> 00:47:25.170
children that are not always reverent, but it's.

00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:31.300
It's so critical for all of us to come unto Him

00:47:31.300 --> 00:47:34.239
in literally every thought, doubt not fear not.

00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.900
So when we have doubt, when we have fear, what's

00:47:36.900 --> 00:47:40.159
the antidote? Come unto Him. And I, you know,

00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.079
I say this to the mirror in front of my face,

00:47:44.099 --> 00:47:46.599
because this is my message. And I hope that you

00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:48.579
can get a message from this as well, because

00:47:48.579 --> 00:47:54.300
it is so critical, yet so easy, yet so hard.

00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:57.579
Just like the children of Israel, just like you

00:47:57.579 --> 00:48:01.260
said. You know, just look at the serpent. Sometimes

00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:05.420
the difficulty is in the simplicity. Amen. And

00:48:05.420 --> 00:48:08.000
it's like, you know, that's how we exercise faith

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:11.239
is when we put forth that tiny little mustard

00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:14.579
seed effort and then just say, OK, God, you got

00:48:14.579 --> 00:48:18.989
this. But, you know, it's when we see. God's

00:48:18.989 --> 00:48:23.090
handiwork and we see the miracles that he he

00:48:23.090 --> 00:48:26.369
performs on a daily I have tried to make a conscious

00:48:26.369 --> 00:48:29.599
effort when I drive I the east is on my left

00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.639
hand side when I drive to work and the sun will

00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:35.079
come up over those big huge mountains that I

00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.980
live by and I keep thinking is today the day

00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:40.159
you're coming can you just come from the east

00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.679
can you just come with that sunshine and can

00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:46.480
you just I love the mountains I love the mornings

00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:50.199
I love but seeing that sunshine I every single

00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:53.159
day okay maybe not every but Very very often.

00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:56.059
I turn my head and look to the east and just

00:48:56.059 --> 00:48:58.599
say thank you God for this beautiful world Can

00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:02.400
you please send your son? But I am ready for

00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:06.480
him to be here. I'm grateful to know that it

00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:10.559
is by Coming unto coming to him in every thought

00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:14.119
that is my antidote. Yeah And the world that

00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.719
we live in there's plenty of the opportunity

00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:19.619
for us to get distracted for us to get discouraged

00:49:19.619 --> 00:49:21.920
for us to fill the Buffettings of the accuser

00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:26.159
in our lives the enemy And all of that but with

00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.099
a little bit of effort on our part with a little

00:49:29.099 --> 00:49:31.659
bit of trust and hope on our part as we develop

00:49:31.659 --> 00:49:35.619
a relationship with him and As we developed trust

00:49:35.619 --> 00:49:39.769
in him Through developing the relationship with

00:49:39.769 --> 00:49:44.570
him then we will be administered by his spirit

00:49:44.570 --> 00:49:48.969
the blessings and the atonement blessings and

00:49:48.969 --> 00:49:51.789
all of the wonderful things that come by way

00:49:51.789 --> 00:49:55.309
of his atonement in our lives Yeah, I agree know

00:49:55.309 --> 00:49:59.079
who we are and whose we are Okay, well sweetheart

00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.119
as we close today I just want to remind everybody

00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:05.000
that no matter where we are no matter how we're

00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.039
feeling No matter what's going on in your life.

00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:09.840
You're you're welcome here, and we honestly hope

00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.119
you feel that way We know that sometimes it's

00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:14.920
difficult to feel welcome where where we talk

00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:16.880
about these types of things But we hope you feel

00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:19.039
welcome here We hope you know that Jesus isn't

00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.039
waiting for you to clean everything up before

00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.079
you come to him He wants you now. He wants this

00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:27.480
version of you. He wants you now Yeah, he meets

00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:29.760
us in the middle of our mess. And I think when

00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:33.460
he comes, he's going to go to the dirtiest, messiest

00:50:33.460 --> 00:50:37.679
places. That's where his grace shines the brightest.

00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:43.440
So come as you are, broken, messy, hopeful, questioning,

00:50:43.739 --> 00:50:47.900
doubting, fearing. You're not alone. Yeah. We'd

00:50:47.900 --> 00:50:49.780
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00:50:49.780 --> 00:50:51.880
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00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.780
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00:50:54.780 --> 00:50:57.199
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00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:01.960
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00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:04.940
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00:51:04.940 --> 00:51:07.360
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00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:09.559
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00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:11.900
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00:51:11.900 --> 00:51:15.039
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00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.320
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00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:21.420
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00:51:21.420 --> 00:51:27.000
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00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.300
your heart we hope that you'll share it with

00:51:29.300 --> 00:51:31.619
someone you love and care about a friend a family

00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:33.599
member anyone who could use a little bit more

00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.639
hope right now maybe some of the doubters maybe

00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.719
some of those that are just really some of us

00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:42.840
that are struggling that just needs to look unto

00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:46.300
him Well next week we're gonna continue talking

00:51:46.300 --> 00:51:49.179
about faith again as it is so important really

00:51:49.179 --> 00:51:51.599
the catalyst behind making and having and seen

00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.019
and Experiencing all of this work for us in our

00:51:54.019 --> 00:51:56.400
lives And so remember that and remember there's

00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:58.420
always hope through him because you have been

00:51:58.420 --> 00:52:00.940
redeemed through his blood Thanks for being with

00:52:00.940 --> 00:52:04.099
us and remember there is always hope through

00:52:04.099 --> 00:52:06.739
him because you have been redeemed through his

00:52:06.739 --> 00:52:09.420
blood Thanks for being with us everybody. We'll

00:52:09.420 --> 00:52:11.639
see you next time. Love y 'all
