WEBVTT 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:19.140 Hey there, buddy. Welcome out to another episode 00:00:19.140 --> 00:00:21.199 of Redeemed Through His Blood. Scott Durfee here 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:24.420 joined as always by the beautiful Deborah Durfee. 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:28.870 Hello, Deb. Hello, my friends. How are you? Deborah? 00:00:29.329 --> 00:00:33.009 I'm so good. You know, when I do this every weekend, 00:00:33.170 --> 00:00:34.909 I don't know if our listeners are aware, but 00:00:34.909 --> 00:00:37.429 there are transcripts available. You can go to 00:00:37.429 --> 00:00:41.670 RSS .com and under the website for the podcast 00:00:41.670 --> 00:00:44.289 and find them there. But every time when I do 00:00:44.289 --> 00:00:48.109 a generate a transcript from the podcast, Deb, 00:00:48.270 --> 00:00:50.960 I suppose your name wrong. Deborah. Exactly. 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:55.200 D -E -B -O -R -H. And it's just D -E -B -R -A. 00:00:55.259 --> 00:00:57.759 Deborah. Yep. Yeah. That's right. And it also 00:00:57.759 --> 00:00:59.780 spells Durfee the other way. I was going to say 00:00:59.780 --> 00:01:01.859 wrong, but those who are spelling it with D -E 00:01:01.859 --> 00:01:04.159 -E may take offense to that. Because I think 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:06.280 we're actually the ones that changed, not them. 00:01:07.420 --> 00:01:10.439 So anyway, that has nothing to do with a podcast. 00:01:10.579 --> 00:01:13.239 How's things going, babe? Good. Yeah, summer's 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:18.890 over. I know. It's not really. Well, here's the 00:01:18.890 --> 00:01:22.370 thing. The other day I was mindlessly scrolling 00:01:22.370 --> 00:01:25.709 and I saw this 30 days, half September, April, 00:01:25.769 --> 00:01:29.109 June, and November. All the rest have 31 except 00:01:29.109 --> 00:01:32.769 July. It only has four. Four days. Yes. I swear 00:01:32.769 --> 00:01:34.890 it was just the 4th of July and now it's over. 00:01:36.109 --> 00:01:37.969 Like July just flies by. I think we need three 00:01:37.969 --> 00:01:42.150 full months of July. I wish January would go 00:01:42.150 --> 00:01:44.650 as fast as July. Well, we did kind of talk about 00:01:44.650 --> 00:01:47.109 it last week. I think that you said that July 00:01:47.109 --> 00:01:49.209 was your favorite holiday. Summer is my favorite. 00:01:49.750 --> 00:01:51.769 Oh, summer. Summer. Yes. Summer is your favorite. 00:01:51.989 --> 00:01:55.549 Yes. That's right. I just want this to slow down 00:01:55.549 --> 00:01:58.090 because I am one of those that love the heat. 00:01:58.409 --> 00:02:01.450 For sure. For sure. Yeah. Well, well, and it 00:02:01.450 --> 00:02:03.829 has been hot here on the Wasatch front. I know 00:02:03.829 --> 00:02:06.829 we went to a rodeo and got sweaty. We went to 00:02:06.829 --> 00:02:11.569 a. park and listen to our family. My brother 00:02:11.569 --> 00:02:14.830 Darren, he has a band, Puppadooey and the Pistons, 00:02:14.969 --> 00:02:17.550 and we sat on those chairs and I'm holding a 00:02:17.550 --> 00:02:20.169 sleeping baby just to sweat and love it. And 00:02:20.169 --> 00:02:23.330 we had grandma with us. It was awesome. Good 00:02:23.330 --> 00:02:25.930 time. Summer just is such a happy time. And then 00:02:25.930 --> 00:02:28.590 even last Friday we went and saw one of our Institute 00:02:28.590 --> 00:02:31.210 teachers that teaches with us. Oh, that's right. 00:02:31.610 --> 00:02:36.050 He had a band too in his front yard. Yeah, that 00:02:36.050 --> 00:02:39.009 was a lot of fun in Alpine, Utah. That was a 00:02:39.009 --> 00:02:41.629 great time. Yeah, there's just a lot of happiness 00:02:41.629 --> 00:02:43.590 that goes on in July. That's why I want it to 00:02:43.590 --> 00:02:45.629 last three more months. This is really interesting 00:02:45.629 --> 00:02:48.729 hearing you say that the the queen of happy. 00:02:49.789 --> 00:02:52.229 You're happy in the winter too, babe. I kind 00:02:52.229 --> 00:02:54.550 of fake it in the winter. No, you don't. You 00:02:54.550 --> 00:02:59.650 don't. People can tell. Well. Here we are, we're 00:02:59.650 --> 00:03:02.310 moving right along in the podcast. Before we 00:03:02.310 --> 00:03:06.009 get started, every week I intend to do this and 00:03:06.009 --> 00:03:08.530 I just get into the podcast and realize, oh my 00:03:08.530 --> 00:03:11.919 goodness, I forgot to do that. If you have emails 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:14.659 that you'd like to share with us or questions 00:03:14.659 --> 00:03:17.120 that you'd like to ask or experiences that you'd 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:20.139 like to share or stories or or whatever and they 00:03:20.139 --> 00:03:22.800 can be private or they can be ones that you would 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.159 like us to share. Yeah or questions. I think 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:28.159 I said that but or questions and and you can 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.159 send those to us at he redeems us at gmail .com. 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:36.460 He redeems us at gmail .com. We've received some 00:03:36.460 --> 00:03:39.960 recently, Deb. Pretty amazing ones actually. 00:03:41.160 --> 00:03:44.719 Have this we love our listeners. I have this 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:49.500 seriously this gentleman Has sent us about a 00:03:49.500 --> 00:03:52.120 half a dozen well, and there's several others 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:54.360 in here, too But this one in particular. I just 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:59.009 wanted to to kind of read Maybe not the whole 00:03:59.009 --> 00:04:00.629 thing. I probably should have read through it 00:04:00.629 --> 00:04:02.710 before I did. But he says he's been a lifelong 00:04:02.710 --> 00:04:07.430 member. He grew up in Mississippi. His mom was 00:04:07.430 --> 00:04:09.849 born in the covenant and dad was a convert. Growing 00:04:09.849 --> 00:04:12.889 up in the church, we went to church, but we didn't 00:04:12.889 --> 00:04:15.250 live it. Over the years, I've had some pretty 00:04:15.250 --> 00:04:19.339 miraculous experiences. I recently learned about 00:04:19.339 --> 00:04:22.920 your podcast and then he puts OMG with lots of 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:25.600 exclamation points. I always have the questions 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.959 you address. Thank you for sharing your experiences, 00:04:29.339 --> 00:04:32.500 the bluntness of your lives. I've never understood 00:04:32.500 --> 00:04:35.399 why I was getting such powerful experiences and 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:39.420 why I was given so many revelations. I seemed 00:04:39.420 --> 00:04:42.160 to self -destruct after each experience and I 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:44.600 thought I was the only one and didn't know how 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:48.220 to stop until now. Thank you very much. for sharing 00:04:48.220 --> 00:04:51.740 and then he goes on and you know that was you 00:04:51.740 --> 00:04:53.759 know one day and then about a week later another 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:59.100 one comes and he's actually my age he says I'll 00:04:59.100 --> 00:05:02.579 be 62 in a few days and All the questions that 00:05:02.579 --> 00:05:05.240 y 'all putting up I've never heard in any class 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:07.959 before and I appreciate your openness. It's so 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:12.519 refreshing and another one this other person 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.360 Anyway, just a lot of really you know what that 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:17.500 reminds me of is sometimes when we teach Institute 00:05:17.500 --> 00:05:21.339 I tell our students I said If you can't handle 00:05:21.339 --> 00:05:23.379 the truth, probably don't come to our class because 00:05:23.379 --> 00:05:28.240 we do puke truth. I'm one of those that lived 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.500 a, you know, it's that sweep that under the rug 00:05:31.500 --> 00:05:34.839 kind of era that we just don't talk about that. 00:05:35.019 --> 00:05:37.519 That as I got older, I was like, this is not 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.959 the way God wants His church to be ran because 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:44.939 we're all sinners helping sinners. And not that 00:05:44.939 --> 00:05:48.660 we have to shout our sins from a... mountaintop 00:05:48.660 --> 00:05:51.660 or anything like that, but just knowing and understanding 00:05:51.660 --> 00:05:54.920 because I was that person that went to church 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:58.339 thinking I was the only one going through X, 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:01.180 Y, or Z. And I just thought, I don't know who 00:06:01.180 --> 00:06:05.199 to talk to. I have no idea. I definitely don't 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:08.860 belong here because I don't have what they have. 00:06:10.620 --> 00:06:13.079 It's such a comparison thing and I get it and 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:17.019 I know my weaknesses, but I think it is so important 00:06:17.019 --> 00:06:19.860 to know that you are not alone. And we say that 00:06:19.860 --> 00:06:22.980 every week in our podcast that we really are 00:06:22.980 --> 00:06:26.259 not alone. We all are trying to muddle through 00:06:26.259 --> 00:06:30.300 this messy life and trying to figure out how 00:06:30.300 --> 00:06:32.779 to return back to Him and apply the atonement 00:06:32.779 --> 00:06:36.439 of Jesus Christ in our lives. And it's powerful. 00:06:36.750 --> 00:06:40.550 It is, I mean, for me, I remember the first time 00:06:40.550 --> 00:06:45.569 I walked into a 12 step recovery meeting and 00:06:45.569 --> 00:06:48.189 I listened to another woman talk about her husband 00:06:48.189 --> 00:06:50.910 with an addiction problem and there was such 00:06:50.910 --> 00:06:54.610 a sigh of relief. I felt like somebody had cut 00:06:54.610 --> 00:06:57.750 open a big... blob of infection and just let 00:06:57.750 --> 00:07:01.790 me bleed it out. It was so, and not that I wanted 00:07:01.790 --> 00:07:04.610 anybody else to go through it or have any suffering 00:07:04.610 --> 00:07:08.050 that, you know, it was just nice to know I'm 00:07:08.050 --> 00:07:11.329 not alone. And, and this is the thing about, 00:07:11.329 --> 00:07:17.209 um, the church and The way Christ came down here 00:07:17.209 --> 00:07:19.529 and even taught his disciples is that we are 00:07:19.529 --> 00:07:22.910 here for each other We are here to lift we are 00:07:22.910 --> 00:07:28.310 here to love. I mean the baptismal covenant Going 00:07:28.310 --> 00:07:31.110 on to you know to mourn with those that mourn, 00:07:31.550 --> 00:07:33.870 you know I I was on the phone today with a couple 00:07:33.870 --> 00:07:37.629 of my kids and You know, some of them are carrying 00:07:37.629 --> 00:07:40.610 some heavy burdens right now and you know, I 00:07:40.610 --> 00:07:43.250 just wanted to mourn with them and then you know 00:07:43.250 --> 00:07:45.850 some of them are having wonderful experiences 00:07:45.850 --> 00:07:48.970 and I'm celebrating with them so it's you know 00:07:48.970 --> 00:07:51.689 it's just it's what we do and it's not just in 00:07:51.689 --> 00:07:54.949 families but our neighbors which are you all 00:07:54.949 --> 00:07:56.889 of our listeners you're our neighbors you're 00:07:56.889 --> 00:08:00.990 our friends you're you're uh you know I remember 00:08:00.990 --> 00:08:05.339 reading in um scriptures about Jesus calling 00:08:05.339 --> 00:08:06.959 us our friends, and I think I've addressed this 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:11.060 before, and a friend they refer to as a covenant 00:08:11.060 --> 00:08:14.220 relationship. And I just think we're, you know, 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.879 we're just disciples helping disciples, you know, 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:19.980 Christians helping Christians, covenant people 00:08:19.980 --> 00:08:22.240 helping covenant people. This is what we do. 00:08:23.430 --> 00:08:28.069 Sinners helping sinners. Yeah. And we truly all 00:08:28.069 --> 00:08:30.250 are. You said a couple things in there, Deb, 00:08:30.329 --> 00:08:33.370 that kind of caught my ear. We do have topic 00:08:33.370 --> 00:08:35.149 today. We're going to cover it. Kind of went 00:08:35.149 --> 00:08:36.809 down a rabbit hole. Well, we usually do. But 00:08:36.809 --> 00:08:40.009 I think this is OK. And I think it's also important 00:08:40.009 --> 00:08:42.850 because you said something about, you used the 00:08:42.850 --> 00:08:46.590 word honest. Right. If you if and how important 00:08:46.590 --> 00:08:50.149 that is and how for you it just set you free 00:08:50.149 --> 00:08:52.129 when you could finally feel like you could be 00:08:52.129 --> 00:08:55.230 honest in a setting that would just set you free. 00:08:55.250 --> 00:08:57.549 And I think that you're not I know for a fact 00:08:57.549 --> 00:08:59.970 that we're not the only ones who have and do 00:08:59.970 --> 00:09:02.590 feel that way. One of the things I just want 00:09:02.590 --> 00:09:07.029 to point out, though, is that that having that 00:09:07.029 --> 00:09:10.549 desire to be completely honest is actually one 00:09:10.549 --> 00:09:13.919 of the foundations of repentance. Oh, yeah. You 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.039 know, and so when we talk about repentance and 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.299 I have this whole outline here and I'm happy 00:09:18.299 --> 00:09:20.080 to share it. I'm not going to probably put it 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.860 in the notes. But if anybody would love or like 00:09:22.860 --> 00:09:28.039 to get a copy of this repentance is it's an outline 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:31.840 of what repentance is. And so it goes through 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.159 what it is and it's a process, a choice, an attitude, 00:09:34.259 --> 00:09:37.220 a way of being, et cetera. And then it goes into 00:09:37.220 --> 00:09:40.220 the foundations of repentance. And there's basically 00:09:40.220 --> 00:09:44.139 three points to the foundations or three foundations 00:09:44.139 --> 00:09:47.200 of repentance. First one is really understanding 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.769 the atonement of Jesus Christ. Let me push pause 00:09:50.769 --> 00:09:53.090 when we talk about repentance. What are we talking 00:09:53.090 --> 00:09:56.309 about? We're talking about turning away from 00:09:56.309 --> 00:09:58.610 the effects of the fall of Adam and Eve and we 00:09:58.610 --> 00:10:00.129 could go through those again But we're not going 00:10:00.129 --> 00:10:02.870 to take the time to do that tonight But but just 00:10:02.870 --> 00:10:04.950 remember what are they there everything that 00:10:04.950 --> 00:10:07.450 has to do with a spiritual death or a physical 00:10:07.450 --> 00:10:10.649 death? So basically every problem you have Every 00:10:10.649 --> 00:10:13.830 I was having this conversation with my dad today, 00:10:14.009 --> 00:10:15.889 you know, and and we decided that hey, you know 00:10:15.889 --> 00:10:18.480 when you're born you start dying The day you're 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.139 born, you're on your... There's a song about 00:10:20.139 --> 00:10:22.820 that. Is there? Yes. I don't want you to sing 00:10:22.820 --> 00:10:25.039 it. I don't even remember the tune, but I just 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:28.200 remember the words that the day you're born, 00:10:28.220 --> 00:10:30.059 you start dying. I know one of our listeners 00:10:30.059 --> 00:10:34.200 knows this song. OK. Anyway, so we were talking 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:38.019 about all of the... I kind of lost my train of 00:10:38.019 --> 00:10:41.139 thought there. I'm sorry. What did I say? You 00:10:41.139 --> 00:10:43.639 said... Oh, really understanding the atonement. 00:10:44.860 --> 00:10:49.000 You said... When we the day that we are born 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:51.340 we start Oh, that's right. Okay. So yeah, we 00:10:51.340 --> 00:10:53.639 really need to understand the atonement of Jesus 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:55.639 Christ That's the first foundation of repentance. 00:10:55.860 --> 00:10:59.539 The second foundation is having a desire to be 00:10:59.539 --> 00:11:04.000 completely honest That's scary. Yeah, that's 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.279 scary. Sometimes I remember working with a sponsor 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:10.019 when she said Deb I want you to think about this 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:13.070 when you just Open up doing that fourth step. 00:11:13.070 --> 00:11:16.190 Yeah is what I don't want you to know about me 00:11:16.190 --> 00:11:19.529 is right and then start writing and I was like 00:11:19.529 --> 00:11:22.009 there is no way I'm putting that on a paper unless 00:11:22.009 --> 00:11:24.409 it gets burned really fast. Yeah, did you burn 00:11:24.409 --> 00:11:26.690 it? You know what? No, I didn't I don't even 00:11:26.690 --> 00:11:28.750 remember. I actually drew a picture believe it 00:11:28.750 --> 00:11:32.429 or not. Okay. Yeah, and It's one of the ways 00:11:32.429 --> 00:11:36.000 that I it looked like an elementary elementary 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.379 school child drew it, but it was very healing 00:11:39.379 --> 00:11:42.480 to get that out and to, you know, those things 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.600 that we're going to take to the grave and those 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:48.480 secrets. But in Chapter 18 of the Divine Gift 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.279 of Forgiveness, he talks about the uncompromising 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:55.539 honesty. Exactly. That gut level honesty. And 00:11:55.539 --> 00:11:58.700 I always share a story about it. mortuary about 00:11:58.700 --> 00:12:01.700 a sealed room in the basement of this mortuary 00:12:01.700 --> 00:12:05.059 that had me baffled for quite a few years. I 00:12:05.059 --> 00:12:09.320 still think about it. My sister was dating a 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:14.059 guy that was a mortician. And the mortuary that 00:12:14.059 --> 00:12:16.740 he worked out was in downtown Salt Lake, one 00:12:16.740 --> 00:12:20.240 of those old, beautiful homes that they had converted 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:25.940 into a mortuary. And it had the old fashioned 00:12:25.940 --> 00:12:29.320 elevators that opened up and had this grate that 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:32.279 went across the front. And then you close it 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.580 and it rattles and rattles and rattles and goes 00:12:34.580 --> 00:12:38.019 to each floor. And it was it was as a 15 year 00:12:38.019 --> 00:12:42.419 old girl. I was I was fascinated by this old 00:12:42.419 --> 00:12:45.779 and to some people it's not old, but it was eighteen 00:12:45.779 --> 00:12:48.720 hundreds old. And I don't know who that would 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:53.240 be able to. But yeah, OK. But Anyway, he was 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.220 taking us on this tour of this, this mortuary 00:12:56.220 --> 00:12:58.740 and he was telling it when we went to the basement, 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.759 there was a body down there being embalmed. And 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:03.419 he's like, do you want to see the body? And I'm 00:13:03.419 --> 00:13:06.279 as a 15 year old, there's a little bit of no, 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:09.379 I don't want to see it. Um, so he walked, he's 00:13:09.379 --> 00:13:11.340 taking us around and showing us that this was 00:13:11.340 --> 00:13:14.000 a sealed room. He said, and he goes, but they 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:17.580 broke open, it broke it open in the 40s, 30s 00:13:17.580 --> 00:13:20.539 or 40s and found alcohol. They found a whole 00:13:20.539 --> 00:13:23.379 bunch of wine and other things. And then this 00:13:23.379 --> 00:13:27.419 other one was a sealed room and this other one 00:13:27.419 --> 00:13:29.600 still is sealed. And he says, in fact, when they 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:33.480 did the add -on on the back of the mortuary in 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:39.000 1970, whatever, the construction workers busted 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.320 it open and immediately when they opened it, 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.360 they resealed it and nobody talked about what's 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.200 in that sealed room. And then my curiosity got 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.360 at me and I'm like, what in the world could be 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.679 in that sealed room? Well, as I thought about 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.120 getting gut level honest, I thought, you know 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:56.929 what? Had a sealed room for a long time in my 00:13:56.929 --> 00:14:00.370 soul that I was gonna take that secret to the 00:14:00.370 --> 00:14:03.169 grave Yeah, that I was not that's one thing I 00:14:03.169 --> 00:14:07.210 will never talk about I won't admit I did not 00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:10.009 do that I did not participate in that whatever 00:14:10.009 --> 00:14:12.789 that I was gonna take that to the grave and I 00:14:12.789 --> 00:14:16.350 remember When I started doing step work and my 00:14:16.350 --> 00:14:19.809 dear sponsor all how I love her and how she changed 00:14:19.809 --> 00:14:24.179 my life forever She said, when she told me those 00:14:24.179 --> 00:14:26.220 words, what I don't want you to know about me 00:14:26.220 --> 00:14:32.659 is my sealed room cracked. And I, I had to, I 00:14:32.659 --> 00:14:35.779 got to, I I'm going to call it a got to. I got 00:14:35.779 --> 00:14:42.220 to get gut level honest and to just, and it wasn't 00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:46.360 anything really that I hadn't repented about 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:49.399 or anything like that as much as I just didn't 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:52.970 want people to know this about me. And I think 00:14:52.970 --> 00:14:58.429 when it was, um, when I, when that sealed room 00:14:58.429 --> 00:15:03.389 per se in my gut or in my soul was opened and 00:15:03.389 --> 00:15:05.850 I didn't have any secrets anymore, there was 00:15:05.850 --> 00:15:12.450 a, there was such a freedom to that of like a 00:15:12.450 --> 00:15:18.889 relief of, like a relief of, um, I don't know, 00:15:19.090 --> 00:15:23.940 tension or Anyway, that to me is that repentance 00:15:23.940 --> 00:15:27.679 piece. Well, and that's a common, I don't know. 00:15:28.450 --> 00:15:30.370 descriptor, that's a common way that we hear 00:15:30.370 --> 00:15:33.730 it described, right? Is when I was finally able 00:15:33.730 --> 00:15:38.090 to get honest or honest enough, because for some 00:15:38.090 --> 00:15:40.669 of us, this is a constant battle or an effort, 00:15:40.990 --> 00:15:44.149 constant effort, you know, because I think that 00:15:44.149 --> 00:15:47.409 for some of us, and I really do mean us, I'm 00:15:47.409 --> 00:15:50.370 implicated here. I really think this for some 00:15:50.370 --> 00:15:53.960 of us that, you know, honesty is. not something 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:56.340 that's just super easy sometimes. And I don't 00:15:56.340 --> 00:15:59.120 mean I don't have to justify it. I just mean 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.779 even little like me lies, you know, just the 00:16:01.779 --> 00:16:05.669 little things. And anyway. So important so that 00:16:05.669 --> 00:16:07.929 we just we kind of went did go down a little 00:16:07.929 --> 00:16:09.769 bit of a rabbit hole there But I think it's important 00:16:09.769 --> 00:16:12.370 that we did and and understanding I've already 00:16:12.370 --> 00:16:15.070 talked about now the first two foundations of 00:16:15.070 --> 00:16:17.830 repentance I said there was three so I have to 00:16:17.830 --> 00:16:20.269 say the third one, but but if you think about 00:16:20.269 --> 00:16:22.210 this You know if I'm gonna go back to the first 00:16:22.210 --> 00:16:24.809 two if we the first foundation of repentance 00:16:24.809 --> 00:16:27.230 is really understanding the atonement of Jesus 00:16:27.230 --> 00:16:31.129 Christ So if I really understand the atonement 00:16:31.129 --> 00:16:34.549 of Jesus Christ That's what gives me the desire 00:16:34.549 --> 00:16:37.029 to be honest, right? If you remember, we go back 00:16:37.029 --> 00:16:40.590 several podcasts and we talk about desire coming 00:16:40.590 --> 00:16:43.710 from our gratitude. Gratitude for the Savior 00:16:43.710 --> 00:16:48.809 for what he did is what really begins the desire 00:16:48.809 --> 00:16:51.690 within each one of us. Gratitude begins from 00:16:51.690 --> 00:16:55.330 gratitude comes our desire. So once I have gratitude 00:16:55.330 --> 00:16:57.350 for the atonement of Jesus Christ, now I have 00:16:57.350 --> 00:16:59.789 a desire to be completely honest. Why do I have 00:16:59.789 --> 00:17:02.620 that desire to be completely honest? Because 00:17:02.620 --> 00:17:05.740 of the third foundation which is because I have 00:17:05.740 --> 00:17:10.940 adequate faith in Jesus Christ To know that he 00:17:10.940 --> 00:17:13.460 can and will indeed we talked about this last 00:17:13.460 --> 00:17:17.400 week redeem me from my sins If I align with him 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:19.740 this game so we now we move into the keg again 00:17:19.740 --> 00:17:21.759 into the conditional effects of the atonement 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.319 of Jesus Christ just to kind of recap Last week, 00:17:25.500 --> 00:17:28.900 we talked about redemption from sin. Prior, you 00:17:28.900 --> 00:17:31.319 know, in several episodes prior to that, we talked 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:33.440 about the unconditional effects. For those of 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:36.299 you who are just tuning in, we talked about the 00:17:36.299 --> 00:17:39.200 unconditional effects of Jesus Christ's atonement. 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:42.079 There are many and some of the most beautiful 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:45.079 blessings are those that are unconditional. We 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:47.420 have that last beginning last week began talking 00:17:47.420 --> 00:17:49.539 about the conditional effects of the atonement 00:17:49.539 --> 00:17:52.660 of Jesus Christ. And we'll be continuing that 00:17:52.660 --> 00:17:55.079 conversation tonight. So last week we talked 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:58.359 about redemption from sin. We talked about how 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:03.940 that is one of the main conditional effects of 00:18:03.940 --> 00:18:06.519 the atonement of Jesus Christ is because it's 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:08.339 through the atonement of Jesus Christ that we 00:18:08.339 --> 00:18:12.019 not only overcome sin, but we overcome the effects 00:18:12.019 --> 00:18:16.609 of sin. Right and when there was a couple of 00:18:16.609 --> 00:18:19.069 scriptures, Deb I think that we used is there 00:18:19.069 --> 00:18:22.390 one of those that you'd like to kind of Recap 00:18:22.390 --> 00:18:26.410 or I mean revisit when it comes to redemption 00:18:26.410 --> 00:18:30.430 Well, there's two and I don't know how I choose 00:18:30.430 --> 00:18:34.339 one or the other Mosiah 3 19 Should we just do 00:18:34.339 --> 00:18:36.359 them both? I mean, there's there's there's there's 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:38.200 many. We're not just saying there's only two 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:40.279 that talk about redemption, but we want to focus 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:43.460 on potentially maybe a couple from last week 00:18:43.460 --> 00:18:46.480 just to kind of put us back in the groove of 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.700 things here to put us back on track in terms 00:18:49.700 --> 00:18:52.460 of talking about the effects of Christ's Atonement. 00:18:52.539 --> 00:18:54.759 So which one do you want to go with first? I'm 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.960 going to go with Mosiah 319. OK, King Benjamin. 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:01.380 I remember when you guys were recording this. 00:19:01.789 --> 00:19:04.269 talking about this before and you said in Benjamin 00:19:04.269 --> 00:19:08.150 3, King Benjamin 3 and I'm thinking I don't remember 00:19:08.150 --> 00:19:11.309 where King Benjamin is. I remember looking it 00:19:11.309 --> 00:19:14.730 up. Bless my ignorance. For the natural man is 00:19:14.730 --> 00:19:18.170 an enemy to God and has been from the fall of 00:19:18.170 --> 00:19:23.880 Adam and will be forever and ever unless That's 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.400 circled in my scriptures. He yields to the enticings 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.619 of the Holy Spirit and putteth off the natural 00:19:30.619 --> 00:19:32.900 man and becometh a saint through the atonement 00:19:32.900 --> 00:19:36.779 of Christ the Lord and becometh as a child submissive, 00:19:36.859 --> 00:19:40.299 meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing 00:19:40.299 --> 00:19:43.720 to submit to all things. I always think of a 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:47.619 child when I hear of that. I read that. Submit 00:19:47.619 --> 00:19:50.759 to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:54.500 upon him Even here you go, even as a child doth 00:19:54.500 --> 00:20:00.900 submit to his father And then in Helaman We did 00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:04.480 read these yeah last one I remember yeah, so 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:08.019 this is Helaman chapter 5 one of my very favorite 00:20:08.019 --> 00:20:10.880 scriptures We're going to read 10 and 11. And 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:13.240 remember also the words which Amulek spoke to 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:15.500 Zizram in the city of Ammonihah, for he said 00:20:15.500 --> 00:20:17.579 unto him that the Lord surely should come and 00:20:17.579 --> 00:20:22.099 redeem his people, that he should not come to 00:20:22.099 --> 00:20:25.740 redeem them in their sins, but to redeem them 00:20:25.740 --> 00:20:30.039 from their sins. I love that. Yeah. Not in their 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:32.440 sins, but from their sins. Get us away from those 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:36.119 sins. And he hath power given unto him from the 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:40.299 Father to redeem them. from their sins because 00:20:40.299 --> 00:20:43.539 of repentance Therefore he has sent his angels 00:20:43.539 --> 00:20:46.220 to declare the tidings and conditions of repentance 00:20:46.220 --> 00:20:50.000 Which bringeth unto the power of the Redeemer 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:54.029 unto the salvation of their souls And then, of 00:20:54.029 --> 00:20:56.210 course, you can't read that without reading the 00:20:56.210 --> 00:20:59.190 Helaman 512, right? Now, my sons, remember, remember, 00:20:59.730 --> 00:21:03.170 that it's upon the rock of our Redeemer, who 00:21:03.170 --> 00:21:05.789 is Christ, the Son of God, that you must build 00:21:05.789 --> 00:21:08.190 your foundations. And when the devil shall send 00:21:08.190 --> 00:21:10.869 forth his mighty winds and his shafts in the 00:21:10.869 --> 00:21:14.009 whirlwind, and when all his hail and his mighty 00:21:14.009 --> 00:21:16.450 storm shall beat upon you, it shall have now 00:21:16.450 --> 00:21:18.789 no power over you to drag you down to the gulf 00:21:18.789 --> 00:21:22.940 of misery and endless woe. because of the rock 00:21:22.940 --> 00:21:26.339 upon which ye are built, which is a sure foundation, 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:31.160 a foundation whereon if men build, they cannot 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:34.740 fall. Not that they will not fall. It's impossible 00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:38.200 for, if we build our foundation on the rock of 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:43.660 our Redeemer, we cannot fall. It's quite a promise. 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:49.829 It's quite a promise. Wow, right? So, you know, 00:21:49.930 --> 00:21:52.490 throughout the podcast and throughout the course 00:21:52.490 --> 00:21:55.150 that we teach at Institute and, you know, over 00:21:55.150 --> 00:21:57.230 the several years that we've been doing the podcast, 00:21:57.410 --> 00:22:00.650 one of the main things, Deb, that have came that 00:22:00.650 --> 00:22:03.430 has really come through the podcast each time 00:22:03.430 --> 00:22:07.029 are these blessings that come because of Jesus 00:22:07.029 --> 00:22:09.509 Christ's atonement. Now, it's important maybe 00:22:09.509 --> 00:22:12.789 that we remind ourselves here there's no power 00:22:12.789 --> 00:22:15.730 in the atonement. The blessings are from Jesus 00:22:15.730 --> 00:22:18.809 Christ. Right. They come from him. They're made 00:22:18.809 --> 00:22:22.190 available to us because he went through the atonement 00:22:22.190 --> 00:22:25.589 and finished his work. Right. It is finished 00:22:25.589 --> 00:22:29.190 again, like you said, on the cross. But because 00:22:29.190 --> 00:22:32.309 he finished his work, all of these things can 00:22:32.309 --> 00:22:37.250 happen, not because of a separate entity called 00:22:37.250 --> 00:22:40.170 the atonement. These blessings come from Jesus 00:22:40.170 --> 00:22:43.849 only. OK, so we're redeemed. First blessing from 00:22:43.849 --> 00:22:45.730 the atonement of Jesus Christ is redemption. 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:48.759 One of the other ones, and they're in no particular 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:51.539 order, but the next one that we frequently talk 00:22:51.539 --> 00:22:55.619 about is the enabling or strengthening. And we 00:22:55.619 --> 00:22:58.539 can use those two kind of synonymously in this 00:22:58.539 --> 00:23:02.059 situation, right? Strengthening and enabling 00:23:02.059 --> 00:23:05.980 powers that come from Jesus Christ because of 00:23:05.980 --> 00:23:10.019 his atonement. Which reminds me of another scripture 00:23:10.019 --> 00:23:12.720 which has been my favorite for a long time And 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:14.259 I can't really say favorite anymore because I 00:23:14.259 --> 00:23:16.299 have too many favorites. So I just have a scripture 00:23:16.299 --> 00:23:20.480 I really like still but the ether 1227 which 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:25.400 is such a powerhouse and Such a personal inventory 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:29.599 one for me. So while you're looking that up when 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:33.190 Deb and I were first knew each other before we 00:23:33.190 --> 00:23:36.630 were married. This is one, I don't know if you 00:23:36.630 --> 00:23:39.089 remember this or not, but this is one of the 00:23:39.089 --> 00:23:44.549 days I fell in love with you, was you were, we 00:23:44.549 --> 00:23:47.890 were talking and I don't remember exactly what 00:23:47.890 --> 00:23:51.069 woes I was spilling on you or the discouragement 00:23:51.069 --> 00:23:53.710 that maybe I was feeling at that time, but you 00:23:53.710 --> 00:23:56.049 used this scripture and introduced, not for the 00:23:56.049 --> 00:23:58.589 first time, but introduced to me probably, babe. 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.940 What this scripture meant to me for the first 00:24:01.940 --> 00:24:03.740 time I'll never forget that I forget I forget 00:24:03.740 --> 00:24:06.039 the date in the exact situation But I don't forget 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:09.000 that that actually happens So when I think of 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.339 ether 1227, I think of a lot of things first 00:24:12.339 --> 00:24:14.700 Jesus But one of those other things I think of 00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:16.900 is you and that and helping me along with that. 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:19.460 I appreciate that I did not know that. Yeah, 00:24:19.460 --> 00:24:21.940 that's good to know. Yeah 20 something probably 00:24:21.940 --> 00:24:28.609 25 years ago. Yeah So, Ether 1227 says, and if 00:24:28.609 --> 00:24:31.470 men come unto me, I will show them their weakness. 00:24:32.170 --> 00:24:34.490 You know, I don't think necessarily we need help 00:24:34.490 --> 00:24:38.470 with showing our weakness. However, pride does 00:24:38.470 --> 00:24:42.130 get in the way and I often have to go to the 00:24:42.130 --> 00:24:45.849 Lord and say, all right, I need, anyway, I'm 00:24:45.849 --> 00:24:47.490 going to keep reading this. And if men come to 00:24:47.490 --> 00:24:50.309 me, I will show them their weakness. I give unto 00:24:50.309 --> 00:24:53.809 men weakness that they may be humble. and my 00:24:53.809 --> 00:24:57.589 grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves 00:24:57.589 --> 00:25:00.990 before me. For if they humble themselves before 00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:06.470 me and have faith in me, then will I make weak 00:25:06.470 --> 00:25:10.490 things become strong unto them. I will never 00:25:10.490 --> 00:25:13.529 forget when I learned about this personally, 00:25:14.190 --> 00:25:21.049 about feeling so inadequate, so broken, so weak. 00:25:22.419 --> 00:25:29.140 And, um, I just, I just know that when we humble 00:25:29.140 --> 00:25:32.680 ourselves before the Lord, He has a whole lot 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:36.380 more in store for us that we never even imagined. 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:43.579 And to become that vulnerable and open to say, 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:46.440 and humble, you know, I always think of the broken 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:50.329 heart. and contrite spirit. And I always say 00:25:50.329 --> 00:25:54.069 a broken heart is an open heart. And it doesn't 00:25:54.069 --> 00:25:58.309 necessarily mean that we're, you know, heartbroken 00:25:58.309 --> 00:26:02.369 over a relationship, but literally heartbroken, 00:26:02.609 --> 00:26:04.750 yes, over a relationship, a relationship that 00:26:04.750 --> 00:26:09.430 we hurt or harmed others, and especially that 00:26:09.430 --> 00:26:12.609 Jesus had to drip drops of blood, suffered for 00:26:12.609 --> 00:26:17.210 this, that I caused pain for this. And I think 00:26:17.210 --> 00:26:21.890 it's such a powerful scripture to take your weakness 00:26:21.890 --> 00:26:24.690 and there's opposition in all things. So if you 00:26:24.690 --> 00:26:27.369 if you're willing to give up your weakness, he 00:26:27.369 --> 00:26:30.890 says right in here, then will I make weak things 00:26:30.890 --> 00:26:35.170 become strong unto them? And that is I testify 00:26:35.170 --> 00:26:38.769 is true for a fact that is true. Do you have 00:26:38.769 --> 00:26:41.170 any examples of that? Oh, gosh, I have so many 00:26:41.170 --> 00:26:43.630 examples of that. Can you think of one? Sure. 00:26:44.369 --> 00:26:48.170 I I have. I'm actually dyslexic, and it's been 00:26:48.170 --> 00:26:50.509 a learning disability for me for my whole life. 00:26:50.730 --> 00:26:54.690 And so I felt validated in school because my 00:26:54.690 --> 00:26:57.549 grades were so low, because my learning abilities 00:26:57.549 --> 00:27:00.849 were such a challenge for me. I learned better 00:27:00.849 --> 00:27:03.690 audible. So if somebody hands me a book and says, 00:27:03.910 --> 00:27:05.930 read this and tell me about it, I'm basically 00:27:05.930 --> 00:27:09.049 in the fetal position because it was very, very 00:27:09.049 --> 00:27:13.529 difficult for me to read as a child. And I remember 00:27:13.980 --> 00:27:18.539 Um, scriptures were horrifically hard for me, 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:23.920 so hard. And I, as I got older and, and I started 00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.140 having kids and I started over reading again 00:27:26.140 --> 00:27:31.200 at just children books. Um, and then, you know, 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.640 trying to understand the scriptures, trying to 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:37.980 elementary read things to help me understand 00:27:38.849 --> 00:27:42.029 I remember a time when, well, and it's in my 00:27:42.029 --> 00:27:45.349 patriarchal blessing that if I will study, that 00:27:45.349 --> 00:27:50.329 the Lord will reveal things to me. So, I put 00:27:50.329 --> 00:27:54.190 that to the test. I really did plead and I said, 00:27:54.269 --> 00:27:56.930 Heavenly Father, I can't read very well. And 00:27:56.930 --> 00:28:00.130 it's challenging. And I always labeled myself 00:28:00.130 --> 00:28:04.049 as stupid because it was validated in numerous 00:28:04.049 --> 00:28:07.670 ways growing up. Getting an education and getting 00:28:07.670 --> 00:28:10.130 a degree and all those kinds of things just overwhelmed 00:28:10.130 --> 00:28:13.609 me. So I always did things with my, you know, 00:28:13.630 --> 00:28:16.450 I got my NELL license and I did a rapid eye therapy 00:28:16.450 --> 00:28:21.250 and I do other things that are more hands -on 00:28:21.250 --> 00:28:23.750 rather than read a book and pass a test because 00:28:23.750 --> 00:28:26.769 that was excruciatingly painful for me. Well, 00:28:26.769 --> 00:28:33.029 as I dug into the scriptures, And as I pleaded 00:28:33.029 --> 00:28:37.210 with him that he would reveal and make my weak 00:28:37.210 --> 00:28:42.250 things become strong, I have been able to understand 00:28:42.250 --> 00:28:46.309 scripture like I have never understood before. 00:28:46.670 --> 00:28:48.750 And there's been numerous times and you've seen 00:28:48.750 --> 00:28:50.990 me do this read a book and listen to it at the 00:28:50.990 --> 00:28:53.289 same time plug my ear And like I have to overcome 00:28:53.289 --> 00:28:55.670 or you'll read out loud. Yeah, I do read out 00:28:55.670 --> 00:28:58.009 loud a lot, right? Because I'm an audible learner. 00:28:58.009 --> 00:29:00.710 Well, you're adapting to the challenge and that's 00:29:00.710 --> 00:29:04.769 wonderful Yeah, but as as I have watched that 00:29:04.769 --> 00:29:07.349 weakness that very thing that made me feel so 00:29:07.349 --> 00:29:10.710 stupid as a as a child or a student Or made me 00:29:10.710 --> 00:29:13.869 feel stupid as an adult because I'd you know 00:29:13.869 --> 00:29:16.630 made me feel not good enough. I hate using the 00:29:16.630 --> 00:29:20.269 word stupid now, because I realized once I had 00:29:20.269 --> 00:29:24.829 a way of learning, it's like, this is my strength. 00:29:25.190 --> 00:29:28.410 And the Lord has gifted me with this. Like I 00:29:28.410 --> 00:29:32.150 can read scripture now, I can read books now, 00:29:32.150 --> 00:29:36.609 I can read all kinds of things that I literally 00:29:36.609 --> 00:29:39.690 comprehend. And that is nothing of my doing. 00:29:40.089 --> 00:29:47.549 I let Him heal that weak part of me. and strengthen 00:29:47.549 --> 00:29:52.309 me to be an avid learner and a seeker, because 00:29:52.309 --> 00:29:55.089 that was very challenging for me as a child. 00:29:55.890 --> 00:29:59.349 And even sometimes as an adult, when my party 00:29:59.349 --> 00:30:01.430 trick was always, I can say the alphabet backwards 00:30:01.430 --> 00:30:03.509 as fast as I can say it frontwards, and I can 00:30:03.509 --> 00:30:07.029 write backwards and forwards. And cursive. Yeah, 00:30:07.109 --> 00:30:09.750 and print, yeah. I can do all kinds of party 00:30:09.750 --> 00:30:14.049 tricks. You know, and I remember doing a report 00:30:14.049 --> 00:30:17.170 back in the day before we all had computers and 00:30:17.170 --> 00:30:20.390 printers that I wrote an entire essay backwards 00:30:20.390 --> 00:30:23.309 for my English teacher and the comment at the 00:30:23.309 --> 00:30:25.849 bottom was creative. And I thought, well, I guess 00:30:25.849 --> 00:30:31.569 that's what I am is creative. So, well, so how 00:30:31.569 --> 00:30:33.750 does this relate to the atonement of Jesus Christ? 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.799 Well, it relates to ether 1227. And that's where 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.680 I was at is taking my weak things because I did 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.119 not ever feel good enough ever. And when we graduated 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:46.460 from high school and all my friends were going 00:30:46.460 --> 00:30:48.960 off to college, I was I was like, absolutely 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.579 not. There is no way I can. Besides the fact 00:30:51.579 --> 00:30:53.880 I had another distraction, which we all know 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.859 about. But I mean, literally, I was like continuing 00:30:57.859 --> 00:31:00.420 in education. High school was brutally painful 00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:04.920 for me. It was so hard. And so I just thought, 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:07.220 I will be stuck here forever. I'll be a cashier 00:31:07.220 --> 00:31:12.220 at the grocery store. Not that that's a bad job. 00:31:12.299 --> 00:31:16.460 Not at all. No, not at all. And you're doing 00:31:16.460 --> 00:31:18.779 wonderful things today. And not that those things 00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:22.960 are how we measure our worth, but Deb's a director 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:30.619 over many divisions. company. So many people 00:31:30.619 --> 00:31:34.119 report to her now. She went from driving a forklift 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.160 in the warehouse to being the big boss. I mean, 00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:40.420 she answers almost directly right to the CEO 00:31:40.420 --> 00:31:42.900 of the company. So, you know, it's really you've 00:31:42.900 --> 00:31:45.480 done a great. And this is again, I didn't do 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:47.880 this. I know that. And that's the point. Right, 00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:50.000 babe. And that's the point I hear you saying, 00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:52.579 too, is like, you know, this wasn't on me. It 00:31:52.579 --> 00:31:55.599 was because I responded to a promise in my patriarchal 00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:00.289 blessing. I felt the enabling power of weak things 00:32:00.289 --> 00:32:03.549 becoming strong through Christ's atonement in 00:32:03.549 --> 00:32:06.750 my life. Again, here's another perfect, really 00:32:06.750 --> 00:32:11.440 great example of When we think of Christ's atonement, 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:15.900 so many of us so frequently say it's for my sins. 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:18.099 And it is. We talked about that last week. But 00:32:18.099 --> 00:32:21.140 again, I'll remind I remember and I know that 00:32:21.140 --> 00:32:23.440 I've already shared this, but I remember a member 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.420 of a stake presidency and it's OK. You know, 00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:30.660 we're stood up and said, I love the atonement 00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:32.900 of Jesus Christ. I've had to use it several times 00:32:32.900 --> 00:32:37.890 in my life. in the last four minutes for me we 00:32:37.890 --> 00:32:40.829 draw our breath because of the atonement of Jesus 00:32:40.829 --> 00:32:42.650 Christ we use it every day in our life whether 00:32:42.650 --> 00:32:45.049 we know it or not but now we're talking about 00:32:45.049 --> 00:32:48.250 the the the conditional effects and so these 00:32:48.250 --> 00:32:50.390 are the ones that we know yeah and well where 00:32:50.390 --> 00:32:53.430 we go to the strengthening enabling power yeah 00:32:53.430 --> 00:32:56.369 i mean you cannot tell me I mean, and I will 00:32:56.369 --> 00:32:58.990 testify with my hand raised to the square that 00:32:58.990 --> 00:33:01.390 that was the strengthening, enabling power of 00:33:01.390 --> 00:33:03.990 the atonement of Jesus Christ. I know that because 00:33:03.990 --> 00:33:08.410 I was not capable to do this on my own. He had 00:33:08.410 --> 00:33:11.809 to strengthen me and enable me. and compensate 00:33:11.809 --> 00:33:14.930 me for where, you know, the little bit that I 00:33:14.930 --> 00:33:17.930 want, the little effort he magnified, you know, 00:33:17.930 --> 00:33:20.069 the little effort that I would put in listening 00:33:20.069 --> 00:33:23.150 to books and following along with my finger so 00:33:23.150 --> 00:33:27.529 I didn't read it wrong or whatever. But the compensatory, 00:33:27.529 --> 00:33:30.970 I mean, to compensate there and strengthening 00:33:30.970 --> 00:33:37.670 was powerful. I have probably in my own life, 00:33:37.690 --> 00:33:39.630 and I think that it's, you know, you share yours. 00:33:39.829 --> 00:33:43.130 I'm going to share. I want to share maybe where 00:33:43.130 --> 00:33:46.490 there's been so many, so many examples in my 00:33:46.490 --> 00:33:49.109 own life where the compensatory or strengthening 00:33:49.109 --> 00:33:53.529 blessings have been been available to me or I've 00:33:53.529 --> 00:33:55.890 been able to access them because of Christ's 00:33:55.890 --> 00:33:58.849 atonement. And anytime I've overcome a sin or 00:33:58.849 --> 00:34:01.980 a bad habit, you know, I smoked. for a long time. 00:34:02.539 --> 00:34:06.400 And it was difficult. That was a very difficult 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.619 habit for me to overcome. And finally, Deb, it 00:34:09.619 --> 00:34:14.599 wasn't until I asked for a blessing. I don't 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.539 know why it didn't occur to me before. Well, 00:34:16.579 --> 00:34:20.480 I do know because I was hiding, right? Hide. 00:34:20.659 --> 00:34:24.250 Maybe you had a sealed room. It was totally his 00:34:24.250 --> 00:34:26.909 children. I was even hiding it from you at one 00:34:26.909 --> 00:34:31.289 point. And it wasn't until I was actually received 00:34:31.289 --> 00:34:33.829 a blessing and it was because of the priesthood 00:34:33.829 --> 00:34:37.710 power, which again, the unlocked the ability 00:34:37.710 --> 00:34:41.750 for the atonement, the enabling and strengthening 00:34:41.750 --> 00:34:44.130 powers of the atonement of Jesus Christ to be 00:34:44.130 --> 00:34:48.779 at work in my life. I hadn't planned on. sharing 00:34:48.779 --> 00:34:52.059 that one. That's not something I'm proud of. 00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:56.000 But that was difficult for me. That was part 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:59.159 of my sealed room. I used to say, well, I only 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.820 smoke when I drink. Well, I drink every day. 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:04.739 And then I quit drinking and I quit smoking. 00:35:05.530 --> 00:35:09.190 I learned too that I had to apply the 12 steps 00:35:09.190 --> 00:35:11.670 of Alcoholics Anonymous, which again is the gospel 00:35:11.670 --> 00:35:14.829 for dummies. The atonement. The atonement for 00:35:14.829 --> 00:35:18.849 dummies. No offense to those of us who are dummies, 00:35:18.949 --> 00:35:20.769 you know, in Alcoholics Anonymous or other 12 00:35:20.769 --> 00:35:22.969 step programs. And I say that just jokingly. 00:35:23.010 --> 00:35:26.500 I hope you all know that. But it is only because 00:35:26.500 --> 00:35:29.780 of his atonement. I can't. He can. I'm going 00:35:29.780 --> 00:35:31.880 to let him. We've talked about that several times 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.139 now that I was able to do that. But the biggest 00:35:35.139 --> 00:35:39.880 one for me is I tried to quit drinking. I started 00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:43.599 drinking when I was 14 years old. Quit drinking 00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.440 when I went on my mission and it wasn't a problem 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:48.820 and I thought I was done and then when I came 00:35:48.820 --> 00:35:52.460 home off my mission I quit doing the things that 00:35:52.460 --> 00:35:55.820 would enable of the spirit of this the spirit 00:35:55.820 --> 00:35:57.900 of the Holy Ghost to be in my life and so I no 00:35:57.900 --> 00:36:01.960 longer had access to the atonement to the degree 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.460 that I had if I had have been living my life 00:36:04.460 --> 00:36:06.880 in accordance with His will. That's a perfect 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.159 example of repentance because you turned your 00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:11.840 back on that drinking life and turned to Him. 00:36:11.900 --> 00:36:15.579 You came to Him. That's a perfect example of 00:36:15.579 --> 00:36:18.699 repentance. What repentance is, is you turned 00:36:18.699 --> 00:36:22.179 your back on the sin and you faced Him. I love 00:36:22.179 --> 00:36:24.039 that. The sin and everything that was because 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.019 of it. I had to learn why I drank, so I even 00:36:26.019 --> 00:36:29.190 had to learn to turn my back on that. the defects 00:36:29.190 --> 00:36:32.050 of character, the things that would be so easily 00:36:32.050 --> 00:36:36.329 besetting to me. I had to learn how to apply 00:36:36.329 --> 00:36:39.329 the strengthening and enabling blessings of Christ 00:36:39.329 --> 00:36:41.250 the Atonement in my life in order for those things 00:36:41.250 --> 00:36:45.010 to be set aside. In order for the effects of 00:36:45.010 --> 00:36:48.590 the fall to be taken care of in my life, right? 00:36:49.269 --> 00:36:52.349 When I think of the enabling and strengthening 00:36:52.349 --> 00:36:55.289 blessings of the atonement of Jesus Christ, I 00:36:55.289 --> 00:36:57.909 have to also remember, Deb, you know, this turning 00:36:57.909 --> 00:37:00.070 for me, you know, you said that's a great example 00:37:00.070 --> 00:37:03.090 of repentance. It is a good example of repentance. 00:37:03.190 --> 00:37:05.530 And you know what else is a good example of repentance 00:37:05.530 --> 00:37:08.469 for me along those lines is I have to do it every 00:37:08.469 --> 00:37:11.670 day. Oh, yeah. Let me say that again. I get to 00:37:11.670 --> 00:37:14.480 do it every day because it is a great. Blessing 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:18.239 for me to be able to and to even be required 00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:22.579 to in order for me to maintain my spiritual progress 00:37:22.579 --> 00:37:26.960 I have to turn to him and learn to rely on him 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.619 and turn my will in my life over the care of 00:37:29.619 --> 00:37:33.550 him every day And I couldn't do that if I didn't 00:37:33.550 --> 00:37:35.610 have faith in him, if I didn't know him, if I 00:37:35.610 --> 00:37:38.829 didn't love him, if I didn't have desire to be 00:37:38.829 --> 00:37:41.409 like him because of the gratitude I have for 00:37:41.409 --> 00:37:45.090 him, because of what he went through for me. 00:37:45.550 --> 00:37:50.619 Yeah. And I think that's another. a great example 00:37:50.619 --> 00:37:55.320 of when President Nielsen said, find joy in repenting 00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.119 daily. Daily repentance is the key. Oh, 100%. 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.219 What a gift. And when we slip and fall and make 00:38:03.219 --> 00:38:06.280 a mistake or swear at that stupid driver that's 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.739 driving too slow or whatever. Is that how it 00:38:08.739 --> 00:38:11.760 went for you today? That wasn't, I could give 00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:14.139 you another example of what happened today. That 00:38:14.139 --> 00:38:15.920 was just the first one that came to my mind. 00:38:16.179 --> 00:38:19.260 But when we have that moment, push pause and 00:38:19.260 --> 00:38:23.380 say, thank you. Thank you for the, for the opportunity 00:38:23.380 --> 00:38:27.840 I have to, to repent, to turn my back on. Yeah. 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.579 I love that. I love that. I, that reminds me 00:38:30.579 --> 00:38:32.719 of a story, you know, uh, David, who I used to 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.079 do the podcast with who's on a mission now and 00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.699 you're sitting in his spot. Um, he sat in mine 00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:43.670 first. I bought this chair 100 % Yeah, you bought 00:38:43.670 --> 00:38:45.690 that chair for me for Father's Day and he sat 00:38:45.690 --> 00:38:47.949 in it the whole time I don't understand this 00:38:47.949 --> 00:38:50.469 but Chris his sweetheart, you know, she was struggling 00:38:50.469 --> 00:38:53.929 with The atonement because she just always felt 00:38:53.929 --> 00:38:56.550 so fallen this these are her words I'm you know 00:38:56.550 --> 00:38:58.789 and we can go back and find this it's in an episode 00:38:58.789 --> 00:39:02.670 Probably in all three episodes three seasons 00:39:02.670 --> 00:39:05.670 prior to this one But when we just like you just 00:39:05.670 --> 00:39:08.389 said when she would run into a situation where 00:39:08.389 --> 00:39:11.110 she just like oh man I had a bad thought or oh 00:39:11.110 --> 00:39:13.829 man I said or whatever she would bow her head 00:39:13.829 --> 00:39:18.710 and say thank you yeah thank you for your atonement 00:39:18.710 --> 00:39:21.010 thank you for letting me see my weak things let 00:39:21.010 --> 00:39:23.909 me yeah exactly yeah thank you for letting me 00:39:23.909 --> 00:39:26.409 see my weak things and thank you for making them 00:39:26.409 --> 00:39:29.630 strong yes because I turn them to you I'm willing 00:39:29.630 --> 00:39:36.340 yeah yeah Humble yourselves before Him. There's 00:39:36.340 --> 00:39:40.619 a lot of meat in that scripture for me. One of 00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:43.960 the things that I've noticed, you know, we keep 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.800 referring to the strengthening or the enabling 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:51.260 power of the atonement of Jesus Christ. Well, 00:39:51.420 --> 00:39:53.719 I think that we could almost substitute that 00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:57.480 word in many situations too with enabling or 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.400 strengthening grace. Oh, absolutely. Because 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.320 it comes as a grace sometimes. It comes as a 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.280 grace every time. I think about my, you know, 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.820 trying to read and trying to have that reading 00:40:09.820 --> 00:40:13.280 comprehension. That was a pure, sacred act of 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.659 grace. Grace. What a gift. Yeah. So, you know, 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:18.440 last week we talked about grace, you know, grace 00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:23.119 that forgives us. Tonight, we're talking about 00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.239 grace that enables us. What's the difference 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.059 between those two graces? What's the difference 00:40:28.059 --> 00:40:32.119 between grace that forgives us and grace that 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.420 enables us? Grace that forgives us and grace 00:40:35.420 --> 00:40:39.780 that enables us. Not much difference. Yeah, I'm 00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:43.079 not. Yeah, I'm not really seeing a huge difference. 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.199 There's not much difference. No. Right. Same 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:51.920 source. Yeah. Same love. Sacred, sacred. Same 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:57.190 bleeding from every pore. Grace and power. Those 00:40:57.190 --> 00:41:00.309 two words in this situation go hand in hand. 00:41:00.449 --> 00:41:02.510 It's an absolute grace. In fact, all the blessings 00:41:02.510 --> 00:41:05.309 that come to us by way of Christ's Atonement 00:41:05.309 --> 00:41:07.550 definitely come to us by way of grace. We can 00:41:07.550 --> 00:41:10.429 never earn them. They definitely come to us by 00:41:10.429 --> 00:41:13.349 way of grace. When it comes to strengthening 00:41:13.349 --> 00:41:16.309 and enabling powers, maybe a question that we 00:41:16.309 --> 00:41:19.889 can just ask ourselves as a prompt for this week 00:41:19.889 --> 00:41:22.840 is, you know, where have you? our listeners, 00:41:23.300 --> 00:41:26.460 where have you seen God make your weakness into 00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:30.840 a strength or weaknesses or exactly or where 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.070 are you willing? Or even that, maybe that's more 00:41:34.070 --> 00:41:35.130 important. That's probably one I need to ask 00:41:35.130 --> 00:41:39.230 me, is where am I willing to now? I mean, that's 00:41:39.230 --> 00:41:42.949 a past weakness that I have definitely been able 00:41:42.949 --> 00:41:45.730 to see as a strength, but now it's like, it's 00:41:45.730 --> 00:41:48.250 not that I'm done with my weaknesses, I promise 00:41:48.250 --> 00:41:51.789 I have way more, but that's a great question 00:41:51.789 --> 00:41:56.429 to say, what weakness am I willing to allow him, 00:41:56.610 --> 00:42:00.670 can I humble myself enough to allow him to strengthen 00:42:00.670 --> 00:42:06.739 me? What's my favorite weakness or sin? We have 00:42:06.739 --> 00:42:09.539 some very close friends, Jory and Mandy. They 00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:11.719 were on the podcast. They were on the podcast. 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.699 We've replayed that episode a couple of times 00:42:14.699 --> 00:42:18.619 and we probably will again, but they had a tragedy 00:42:18.619 --> 00:42:23.739 in their family. Their little one was while they 00:42:23.739 --> 00:42:26.599 were at a church function, I believe they were 00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:30.320 at the temple. A babysitter was with their baby 00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:37.250 and when they returned the baby was dead. they 00:42:37.250 --> 00:42:40.809 they shared about their experience of strength 00:42:40.809 --> 00:42:46.070 and hope and and and trying to understand The 00:42:46.070 --> 00:42:49.489 the instant that trying to understand this life 00:42:49.489 --> 00:42:52.590 with that type of a situation in it I mean that's 00:42:52.590 --> 00:42:54.909 we're talking the effects of the fall in ways 00:42:54.909 --> 00:42:58.610 that you and I I Hope never have to understand 00:42:58.610 --> 00:43:01.599 right. I know many of our listeners have I know 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:03.860 it's not but but I know that it's a situation 00:43:03.860 --> 00:43:06.500 that you and I have never had to understand not 00:43:06.500 --> 00:43:09.340 that story But there's but there's others. Yeah 00:43:09.340 --> 00:43:13.239 We move now from his enabling and strengthening 00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.199 power We're gonna move into and we talked about 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:19.460 compensatory blessings How he compensates us 00:43:19.460 --> 00:43:23.139 and we talked about how many of those? Compensatory 00:43:23.139 --> 00:43:27.039 blessings come by way of his atonement in an 00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.679 unconditional fashion to us. We're compensated 00:43:30.539 --> 00:43:33.539 unconditionally in a lot of ways. But when it 00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:38.440 comes to when I need his comfort, when I need 00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:43.139 his help in the unfairness or in the suffering 00:43:43.139 --> 00:43:46.800 in my life, there's compensatory blessings that 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.619 are available to us because of that. I always 00:43:50.619 --> 00:43:52.960 put the mirror in front of my face in these kinds 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.539 of things, and I never had that. I mean, I've 00:43:55.539 --> 00:44:00.869 never had that type of that level of tragedy 00:44:00.869 --> 00:44:06.250 that Jorian Mandy felt. However, I have had a 00:44:06.250 --> 00:44:09.250 lot of unfairness and suffering in my life that 00:44:09.250 --> 00:44:12.929 I definitely felt his compensatory blessing. 00:44:13.670 --> 00:44:17.989 I remember, without going into too much detail, 00:44:18.909 --> 00:44:25.090 being married to my first husband and dealing 00:44:25.090 --> 00:44:31.059 with a really excruciatingly painful news. And 00:44:31.059 --> 00:44:34.320 I remember thinking I have been nothing but faithful 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.179 and loyal and go to church and do all of this. 00:44:37.179 --> 00:44:41.039 And why am I having to deal with this now? And 00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:45.380 I was angry. I was so angry. It felt so unfair. 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:53.519 It felt so I definitely put on the victim the 00:44:53.519 --> 00:45:00.960 victim title and was I was so upset. And I remember 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.119 when we were learning more about the atonement 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:08.480 and remembering that we are all His children. 00:45:08.619 --> 00:45:12.679 And for us to understand and learn about forgiveness 00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:16.059 and repentance and all of that, there has to 00:45:16.059 --> 00:45:20.239 be things happen to us that aren't fair, so that 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:26.480 we understand a little tiny bit of what pain 00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:30.980 and suffering he felt in the Garden of Gethsemane 00:45:30.980 --> 00:45:35.679 Elder Bednar in April 2012 he had a there was 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.840 a talk about the powers of heaven and he a quote 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.960 in there is Christ suffered not only for our 00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:48.239 sins, but also for the inequality anguish and 00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:51.679 emotional distress And I'm sure our listeners 00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:55.199 because of this messy messy world. We live in 00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:58.980 I'm sure they have felt Inequality anguish and 00:45:58.980 --> 00:46:01.619 emotional distress. We're humans. We're here 00:46:01.619 --> 00:46:05.260 in a fallen world. We are experiencing all kinds 00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:09.929 of unfairness and and we all know what suffer 00:46:09.929 --> 00:46:14.150 looks like no matter the extremes but you know 00:46:14.150 --> 00:46:17.329 we all we all feel that we all in one way or 00:46:17.329 --> 00:46:20.909 another and I think it's I think it's important 00:46:20.909 --> 00:46:26.750 for us to apply it in our own to say where has 00:46:26.750 --> 00:46:31.389 Christ's atonement compensated me for my suffering 00:46:31.389 --> 00:46:36.119 things that were unfair that I didn't feel like 00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.400 it's funny how we use the word deserve, right? 00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:43.000 Because, you know, one of the most powerful scriptures, 00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:46.280 and probably the most read scripture is first 00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:49.460 Nephi one one. I need five being born of goodly 00:46:49.460 --> 00:46:51.599 parents and suffered many things. That's not 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:55.920 exactly I'd have to look it up to quoted exactly. 00:46:56.480 --> 00:47:00.909 However, that literally when I read that. And 00:47:00.909 --> 00:47:03.570 in fact, I'm going to read it. First, Nephi 1 00:47:03.570 --> 00:47:05.849 .1, I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents, 00:47:06.070 --> 00:47:08.789 therefore I was taught somewhat in all the learning 00:47:08.789 --> 00:47:12.489 of my father and having seen many affliction 00:47:12.489 --> 00:47:15.289 in the course of my days, affliction, suffering. 00:47:15.730 --> 00:47:18.869 I mean, let's, I mean, I'm, Nephi is a great 00:47:18.869 --> 00:47:22.929 example of that. Nevertheless, and this is the 00:47:22.929 --> 00:47:26.179 piece that penetrated my heart. Having been highly 00:47:26.179 --> 00:47:28.639 favored of the Lord in all my days, yea, having 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.260 had a great knowledge of the goodness and the 00:47:32.260 --> 00:47:34.519 mysteries of God, therefore I make record of 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:36.960 my proceedings in this day." He suffered many 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.960 afflictions and he's highly favored of the Lord. 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:42.119 So I'm like, I, Deborah, being born of goodly 00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:44.380 parents, I literally put my name in there because 00:47:44.380 --> 00:47:47.300 I can relate to that. We all can relate to that. 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:51.119 Affliction is definitely a universal problem, 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.400 right? It's definitely something that each of 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:58.159 us will have the opportunity, and it can be an 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.420 opportunity. Things can be made strong, right? 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:02.500 And we can bow our head and say thank you for 00:48:02.500 --> 00:48:05.860 this. No growing in the comfort zone, no comfort 00:48:05.860 --> 00:48:08.360 in the growing zone. Oh, bless my heart. But 00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:10.219 it can be an opportunity. You know, the thing 00:48:10.219 --> 00:48:12.940 that I wonder about this step... If you know, 00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.360 last week we talked a lot about justice and mercy. 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.199 We're going to be talking a lot about that again 00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:21.000 in an institute here this week, justice and mercy. 00:48:21.219 --> 00:48:24.719 And what I want to know, and I'm posing this 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:28.079 question, if justice demands repayment for our 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:32.840 sins, what does it demand for our undeserved 00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.659 pain? Right, we think about justice only being 00:48:37.659 --> 00:48:41.710 the demander. of reconciliation around sin will 00:48:41.710 --> 00:48:45.210 know justice must reconcile all things that have 00:48:45.210 --> 00:48:48.349 that are fallen. And so if that's the case, if 00:48:48.349 --> 00:48:50.409 justice demands repayment for our sins, what 00:48:50.409 --> 00:48:54.449 does it demand for our undeserved pain? Wowzer. 00:48:54.869 --> 00:48:57.269 Yeah. So let's be thinking of that this week. 00:48:57.269 --> 00:49:00.610 Yeah. What does because we're running out of 00:49:00.610 --> 00:49:02.889 time. We need to kind of cut it tonight, but. 00:49:03.579 --> 00:49:05.920 This gives us plenty to think about this week. 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.440 We've got a lot to chew on. We've got a lot that 00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.920 we can when we approach the sacrament table on 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.920 Sunday. There's a lot here that we can really 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.619 put in our hearts and begin to commune with Heavenly 00:49:16.619 --> 00:49:18.559 Father for a deeper understanding around. But 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:22.039 this is one of them. If justice demands repayment 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:26.260 for my sins, what does it demand for my undeserved 00:49:26.260 --> 00:49:28.639 pain? Because I have undeserved pain. There will 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:32.340 be justice. Yeah, yeah. What does it demand for 00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:34.000 that? So let's think that through this week. 00:49:34.179 --> 00:49:36.059 Let's talk about that next week. The other thing 00:49:36.059 --> 00:49:39.039 I want, just by way of invitation to our listeners, 00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:43.059 is what's something unfair that you can now begin 00:49:43.059 --> 00:49:45.599 to see differently because of Christ's compensation? 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.920 Those kind of go together, actually. Because 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:53.199 undeserved fair undeserved pain and unfair could 00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:57.260 be lumped in a very similar. Yeah, it is unfair. 00:49:57.420 --> 00:49:59.739 Yeah, and it is undeserved. Yeah, and anything 00:49:59.739 --> 00:50:03.000 unfair, but it's not going to be fair. It's true. 00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:05.519 Right. It's true. Just physical pain. It's any 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.119 kind of. Yeah. And Heavenly Father loves us enough 00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:12.059 that has allowed us to be compensated through 00:50:12.059 --> 00:50:16.050 and by his son because of his atonement. because 00:50:16.050 --> 00:50:20.869 of the great and final sacrifice. I think about 00:50:20.869 --> 00:50:23.989 this stuff, Deb, and I just wonder, I was having 00:50:23.989 --> 00:50:26.550 this conversation again with my dad, having a 00:50:26.550 --> 00:50:29.630 conversation with my dad today, and it was just 00:50:29.630 --> 00:50:34.269 a sweet, beautiful, loving gospel doctrine kind 00:50:34.269 --> 00:50:36.250 of conversation, and one of the things that I've 00:50:36.250 --> 00:50:41.929 realized is that Heavenly Father and Jesus, Jesus 00:50:41.929 --> 00:50:48.590 has met me so much closer to my own effort than 00:50:48.590 --> 00:50:51.809 expecting me to move towards his. Does that make 00:50:51.809 --> 00:50:54.789 sense? Yeah. I mean, I put forth effort, and 00:50:54.789 --> 00:50:57.809 it seems like I'm trying, but I fail miserably. 00:50:57.929 --> 00:51:02.210 I'm so human still. No big sins. I'm living my 00:51:02.210 --> 00:51:04.750 life in accordance with the commandments and 00:51:04.750 --> 00:51:07.860 all of those things. My relationship though, 00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:11.300 it is so important and the only important thing, 00:51:11.420 --> 00:51:14.119 remember we go back to Luke chapter 10, right? 00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:18.099 And the one needful thing is to be sitting at 00:51:18.099 --> 00:51:20.340 the feet and hearing the words of Jesus. In other 00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:22.739 words, worshiping Him, having that relationship 00:51:22.739 --> 00:51:27.159 with Him. I need to remember that. And when I 00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.900 do, when things get rocky, when things get tough, 00:51:31.260 --> 00:51:33.760 when people in my life are making decisions that 00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:37.559 are creating chaos for them that affects me, 00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:42.599 I need to remember. that the atonement of Jesus 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.840 Christ provides not just redeeming blessings, 00:51:46.420 --> 00:51:48.639 not just enabling and strengthening blessings, 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:52.639 but compensatory blessings as well. Next week 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.219 we're gonna talk more about the compensatory 00:51:55.219 --> 00:51:56.840 blessings. One of the things that I really wanna 00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.159 talk about, and I'm making a voice note of this 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.940 so I don't forget, is how important it is that 00:52:01.940 --> 00:52:05.869 the compensatory blessings, that come by way 00:52:05.869 --> 00:52:08.349 of Christ's atonement. How important those are 00:52:08.349 --> 00:52:13.309 to me in the lives of those who I hurt. Yeah. 00:52:14.550 --> 00:52:17.550 That's where, for me, maybe some of the greatest 00:52:17.550 --> 00:52:20.610 blessings from Christ's atonement will come and 00:52:20.610 --> 00:52:24.829 do come. Compensatory. Yeah. Yeah, it's a big 00:52:24.829 --> 00:52:28.000 one. As we kind of wrap things up today We just 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:29.739 want to say that wherever you are and however 00:52:29.739 --> 00:52:31.739 you're filling your welcome here Jesus isn't 00:52:31.739 --> 00:52:34.239 just waiting you to clean everything up before 00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.639 you come to him He meets us right in the middle 00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:40.019 of our mess which reminds me of that him Where 00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:42.659 can I turn for peace when he in the third verse 00:52:42.659 --> 00:52:45.980 when he says he answers privately? Reaches my 00:52:45.980 --> 00:52:49.219 reaching in my Gethsemane. That's where his grace 00:52:49.219 --> 00:52:56.000 shines. So come as you are broken unfair, undeserved, 00:52:56.639 --> 00:53:00.219 questioning, searching. You're not alone, friends. 00:53:00.340 --> 00:53:03.760 We're in this together. I mentioned it earlier, 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:06.019 I'm gonna mention it again. Please don't hesitate 00:53:06.019 --> 00:53:10.179 to send us emails to heredeemsusatgmail .com. 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:12.159 We read every single one of those and again, 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:14.579 we'll respond to as many as we possibly can. 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:19.059 Heredeemsusatgmail .com. And let me say thank 00:53:19.059 --> 00:53:22.400 you to the many who have been. Roy, thanks for 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.340 letting us share your experience tonight and 00:53:25.340 --> 00:53:30.050 keep those things coming. Yes. And if this episode 00:53:30.050 --> 00:53:32.429 touched your heart, we would hope that you would 00:53:32.429 --> 00:53:34.469 share it with someone you love and care about, 00:53:34.730 --> 00:53:37.309 a friend, a family member, or anyone who could 00:53:37.309 --> 00:53:40.739 use a little bit more hope. understanding their 00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:43.780 undeserved pain and their unfairness and injustice. 00:53:43.900 --> 00:53:45.880 Yeah, no kidding. Next week, I can't wait. We're 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:48.619 going to talk more about the compensatory blessings 00:53:48.619 --> 00:53:50.639 of the Savior. We're going to talk about that 00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:53.179 and then we're going to move into healing and 00:53:53.179 --> 00:53:57.159 comfort compensatory, enabling and redeeming. 00:53:57.179 --> 00:53:59.460 Give me healing and comfort. There's no question. 00:53:59.619 --> 00:54:01.920 There's no question. But we're going to talk 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:06.179 specifically about blessings of healing and blessings 00:54:06.179 --> 00:54:11.340 of comfort by way of conditional effects of the 00:54:11.340 --> 00:54:14.280 atonement of Jesus Christ. Thanks for being with 00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.480 us. We love you. And remember, there is always 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:20.900 hope through him because you have been redeemed 00:54:20.900 --> 00:54:23.980 through his blood. So have I. We do indeed love 00:54:23.980 --> 00:54:26.019 you. Thanks for being with us tonight and each 00:54:26.019 --> 00:54:28.920 and every night until we're together again. Be 00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:29.179 well.