WEBVTT 00:00:16.100 --> 00:00:18.260 Hey there, everybody. Welcome out to another 00:00:18.260 --> 00:00:20.879 episode of Redeemed Through His Blood. Scott 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.100 Durfee here, joined as always by the beautiful 00:00:24.100 --> 00:00:26.059 Deborah Durfee. What's up, babe? Hi, friends. 00:00:26.460 --> 00:00:31.000 How are you? Great. Good. Happy. Yeah. If you 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:34.840 had a good week since we last recorded. Oh, absolutely. 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:37.880 I'm asking for them because I already know. Absolutely. 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:40.979 Yeah. I I tell everyone summer is my favorite 00:00:40.979 --> 00:00:43.740 holiday. Favorite holiday. Yeah, we're dead in 00:00:43.740 --> 00:00:47.259 the dead of summer. And Deb is happy when we're 00:00:47.259 --> 00:00:50.939 so happy. I love the heat. Loves summer. I love 00:00:50.939 --> 00:00:54.079 it, too. I love summertime. I love all this all 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:58.109 of the seasons, but I do have a pretty deep affinity 00:00:58.109 --> 00:01:01.590 for summer myself. It's a great time. Yeah. Great 00:01:01.590 --> 00:01:03.289 time. A lot of great things happening. A lot 00:01:03.289 --> 00:01:08.430 of fun things happening. A lot of concerts. Concerts. 00:01:08.430 --> 00:01:11.209 Yeah, we went to one up at Deer Valley just recently. 00:01:11.209 --> 00:01:13.269 That was a lot of fun. And then we went to a 00:01:13.269 --> 00:01:16.390 play at Sundance Outdoor Theater. Went and saw 00:01:16.390 --> 00:01:19.170 The Wizard of Oz. The Wizard of Oz. Spectacular. 00:01:19.549 --> 00:01:22.969 Great messages in that play. And then we went 00:01:22.969 --> 00:01:26.450 to the Days of 47. No, we didn't. We went to 00:01:26.450 --> 00:01:29.409 the Fiesta Days rodeo in Spanish Fork, Utah. 00:01:29.469 --> 00:01:32.750 Yeah. The most important of all of those activities. 00:01:33.329 --> 00:01:37.109 It was nice and hot. We got all sweaty. It was 00:01:37.109 --> 00:01:41.569 lovely. We got horse stuff thrown on us. We were 00:01:41.569 --> 00:01:43.969 sitting close to the chutes. It was great. Yeah. 00:01:44.090 --> 00:01:46.489 Made us feel at home, didn't it? Yep. And we 00:01:46.489 --> 00:01:49.549 were with loved ones. We had a couple of our 00:01:49.549 --> 00:01:54.040 kids with us. Dakota and his wife and Jessica 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:57.420 were with us and Craig and Carmen and we had 00:01:57.420 --> 00:02:01.980 Evan and back your brother and and his sweet 00:02:01.980 --> 00:02:05.060 wife who sister -in -love Sister -in -love you're 00:02:05.060 --> 00:02:07.099 kind of your best one of your best friends I 00:02:07.099 --> 00:02:10.259 know that to be a fact and then for that reason 00:02:10.259 --> 00:02:13.759 I have a super deep love for those guys as well 00:02:14.419 --> 00:02:18.139 Anyway, what a great time of year. What a great 00:02:18.139 --> 00:02:21.240 time to be alive. I've had a lot of gratitude 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.199 this week myself, you know, I've had this injury 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:26.939 this this not injury, but this surgery that I've 00:02:26.939 --> 00:02:30.280 been recovering from and Man, that's been difficult 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:33.819 for me. It's it's really been like nailing my 00:02:33.819 --> 00:02:37.520 foot to the floor. You know, yesterday I'm out 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:40.500 to notice a couple of big bad weeds in the yard 00:02:40.500 --> 00:02:42.860 that need to be gone. And so I bend over with 00:02:42.860 --> 00:02:45.919 my left hand and I'm pulling them out and I can't 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:47.879 quite get the other one to go. There is one that 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:50.240 was pretty stubborn. So I reached down with both 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.080 hands and pulled and I've been kind of paying 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:55.360 for that. Whoopsie. Yeah. I didn't know that. 00:02:55.419 --> 00:02:59.289 That was just a confession. Yeah. I figured I'd 00:02:59.289 --> 00:03:01.349 do it here because by the time we're done recording 00:03:01.349 --> 00:03:03.729 you won't have time to reprimand me for that. 00:03:04.210 --> 00:03:06.330 I won't reprimand you. That was kind of planned. 00:03:07.770 --> 00:03:09.789 You're recovering pretty quickly actually. I 00:03:09.789 --> 00:03:11.770 am and I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for 00:03:11.770 --> 00:03:13.449 the atonement of Jesus Christ. Remember a few 00:03:13.449 --> 00:03:16.210 weeks ago that we talked about how this is one 00:03:16.210 --> 00:03:18.509 of the unconditional effects of Christ's atonement 00:03:18.509 --> 00:03:21.550 is healing. I mean there's certain things that 00:03:21.550 --> 00:03:25.409 we have to put into it right to to help to help 00:03:25.409 --> 00:03:29.039 move it along like I have to I have to align 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:33.219 with the laws around healing, right? And that 00:03:33.219 --> 00:03:39.319 definitely helps me along. However, the real 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:43.360 thing that I've been super touched by and impressed 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:48.319 by and moved by and hopefully converted and changed 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:50.919 by this week was my experience that I had Sunday 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:55.830 in church. I don't always love church. I know 00:03:55.830 --> 00:03:58.849 that about you. I've got to be honest. I really 00:03:58.849 --> 00:04:02.789 don't. I love Heavenly Father. I love Jesus. 00:04:03.030 --> 00:04:07.490 I love most of the people that I'm around. But 00:04:07.490 --> 00:04:12.550 I'm a fallen dude. I'm a fallen guy. And along 00:04:12.550 --> 00:04:15.330 with that fallen -ness, I think I talked about 00:04:15.330 --> 00:04:17.490 this. This isn't something I'm proud of, but 00:04:17.490 --> 00:04:21.120 there's just a rebel streak inside of me. that 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:25.819 just requires constant alignment with Christ's 00:04:25.819 --> 00:04:28.519 atonement just to keep it kind of settled down 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:33.459 even. Anyway, Sunday at church. I come to church. 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.680 I don't know that this is happening, but there's 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:40.139 nobody sitting on the stand. We have a member 00:04:40.139 --> 00:04:42.879 of the state presidency there. I turned to you 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.680 and I said, are we getting a new bishop? And 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:48.839 you said, no, hasn't been long enough. And it 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:50.800 hasn't. It's only been what, three, four years? 00:04:50.819 --> 00:04:53.360 I don't know. It's been about four years. And 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:58.139 so we're both kind of like, I'm not sure what's 00:04:58.139 --> 00:05:00.060 happening. And then Brother Gardner goes up and 00:05:00.060 --> 00:05:02.720 sits on the stand. And I'm like, oh, yeah, we 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.339 get to hear Tanner talk. I couldn't. I was so 00:05:05.339 --> 00:05:07.699 excited to hear that. And then I forgot that 00:05:07.699 --> 00:05:09.500 he had just recently been called to be a member 00:05:09.500 --> 00:05:11.319 of the high council. And he was just there to 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:15.399 do some state business. Yeah. Which was great. 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.920 It was fine. But then when it was announced what 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:20.920 was going to be happening in sacrament meeting 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.060 Sunday, man, that was touching for me. So what 00:05:24.060 --> 00:05:26.920 what what ended up happening is we did a well, 00:05:26.980 --> 00:05:28.740 why don't you describe it? You do a better job 00:05:28.740 --> 00:05:30.819 describing. Well, I want to push pause first, 00:05:30.819 --> 00:05:34.920 because even before we went into the program. 00:05:35.860 --> 00:05:40.259 Yeah. Clint Eager, I love the man. He's such 00:05:40.259 --> 00:05:44.560 a great. member of our bishopric and such a great 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.920 asset to our ward. Such a good friend. Yes. He 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.579 got up before the sacrament and he even said, 00:05:50.899 --> 00:05:53.860 let's put down your devices and let's focus on 00:05:53.860 --> 00:05:56.860 the savior and what he's done for us. And I thought, 00:05:57.300 --> 00:06:01.199 what a wonderful reminder to all of us. Right. 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.519 And I loved that, which made, you know, even 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:08.199 the sacrament, that sacred ordinance more sacred. 00:06:08.889 --> 00:06:11.949 And, you know, as we sing the hymns, we're always 00:06:11.949 --> 00:06:16.410 moved and touched by those. And then after that 00:06:16.410 --> 00:06:20.670 10, 15 minutes, 10 minutes, probably, I'm going 00:06:20.670 --> 00:06:23.129 to time it because I had that discussion. I know, 00:06:23.730 --> 00:06:26.829 I know, and I still haven't timed it, but I just 00:06:26.829 --> 00:06:30.730 want it to last so long. Anyways, after that, 00:06:30.730 --> 00:06:35.189 he got up and said, for today's program. our 00:06:35.189 --> 00:06:37.930 sacrament program, we're going to do something 00:06:37.930 --> 00:06:41.410 a little different. And this is basically a hymimony. 00:06:42.050 --> 00:06:45.110 So it's basically what you do is you get up and 00:06:45.110 --> 00:06:47.829 you tell the congregation what your favorite 00:06:47.829 --> 00:06:52.230 hymn is and why. And we sing one verse of that 00:06:52.230 --> 00:06:56.410 song and our amazing chorister and organist. 00:06:57.340 --> 00:07:00.660 Were phenomenal that's not an easy feat and they 00:07:00.660 --> 00:07:03.899 nailed it. That's him You and I both play the 00:07:03.899 --> 00:07:06.980 piano. I know and I just Elaine Sorensen is just 00:07:06.980 --> 00:07:09.519 beyond amazing. I mean, there's just not enough 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.300 kudos for that woman She's she has been the organist 00:07:12.300 --> 00:07:15.699 for over in our ward for over 20 years because 00:07:15.699 --> 00:07:18.660 we she she's the only organist I know and I hope 00:07:18.660 --> 00:07:21.779 that she remains for I know I love her dearly 00:07:21.779 --> 00:07:24.360 anyways, so what what they would do is get up 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:26.420 and basically tell their favorite him and why 00:07:28.929 --> 00:07:33.050 And as soon as he started with his, he talked 00:07:33.050 --> 00:07:36.670 about his great -great -great -grandfather and 00:07:36.670 --> 00:07:40.410 him they wrote and why, and it was awesome. And 00:07:40.410 --> 00:07:43.089 then immediately, people just started going up. 00:07:43.290 --> 00:07:45.750 Well, after about two or three or four people, 00:07:45.810 --> 00:07:47.990 his wife got up and said, you know, Clint didn't 00:07:47.990 --> 00:07:50.029 know how this would go, so I prepared, and even 00:07:50.029 --> 00:07:52.550 his son went up, and I just thought, he had no 00:07:52.550 --> 00:07:57.389 idea. But man, what an amazing... way to feel 00:07:57.389 --> 00:08:04.569 the Spirit and you know that I get moved by music. 00:08:04.610 --> 00:08:08.730 Yeah. And the words of music and the holiness 00:08:08.730 --> 00:08:14.230 of music and what a sacred time to sing doctrine 00:08:14.230 --> 00:08:19.459 and worship and and to even I mean the youth 00:08:19.459 --> 00:08:21.680 that got up and would tell us their favorite 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:25.100 hymn and why. And when we would sing it, I would 00:08:25.100 --> 00:08:28.259 just think of those words with that person that 00:08:28.259 --> 00:08:32.580 got up and spoke and even everybody in the ward, 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:35.519 not just the youth, but I just, I remember, you 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:38.259 know, a few of them particularly specifically 00:08:38.259 --> 00:08:42.539 that they would choose their hymn and I would 00:08:42.539 --> 00:08:45.440 just weep. My eyes would just fill with tears 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.039 and I was just so overcome with the spirit and 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:52.940 it was just so tender and so sweet to hear this 00:08:52.940 --> 00:08:58.220 sacred music sung by the congregation for that 00:08:58.220 --> 00:09:00.539 one person whose favorite hymn it was. And it 00:09:00.539 --> 00:09:05.720 was phenomenal. I remember a couple of those 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:10.009 hymns. I remember Little Annie. Lord, I would 00:09:10.009 --> 00:09:13.809 follow thee. Who am I to judge another when I 00:09:13.809 --> 00:09:17.049 walk imperfectly? And here's this little perfect, 00:09:17.169 --> 00:09:21.529 perfect member of our youth in our ward. I remember 00:09:21.529 --> 00:09:23.429 that. You know another one I remember? Sister 00:09:23.429 --> 00:09:27.090 Ryds. What was hers? I Stand All Amazed. I Stand 00:09:27.090 --> 00:09:31.909 All Amazed. I can't sing that song. I know. Yeah. 00:09:32.190 --> 00:09:35.210 So sweet. I can't even talk after mentioning 00:09:35.210 --> 00:09:38.710 the title of that song, right? It's just it was 00:09:38.710 --> 00:09:41.389 a sweet, sweet. There was another one, though, 00:09:41.450 --> 00:09:43.850 that particularly stood out to me, and that was 00:09:43.850 --> 00:09:46.990 this very beautiful lady stood up towards the 00:09:46.990 --> 00:09:52.309 end and shared hers. And hers was him one, two, 00:09:52.330 --> 00:09:59.429 three. Yep. Which is what? Oh, may my soul commune 00:09:59.429 --> 00:10:02.990 with thee. And that was you. Why is that hymn 00:10:02.990 --> 00:10:09.370 so weighted for you, so important to you, so 00:10:09.370 --> 00:10:13.730 great for you, babe? I think the words in it 00:10:13.730 --> 00:10:20.169 just, again, penetrate my soul. And every time 00:10:20.169 --> 00:10:25.549 the sacrament is passed, I go to that hymn. It's 00:10:25.549 --> 00:10:29.950 my go -to. I don't even always open the hymn. 00:10:30.900 --> 00:10:35.740 because I know the first few, you know, I know 00:10:35.740 --> 00:10:38.419 the first few verses, but I asked if we could 00:10:38.419 --> 00:10:44.120 sing verse two and three because I just, I just 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.659 feel like sometimes my worship is inadequate 00:10:46.659 --> 00:10:52.500 and I just need help knowing how to worship so 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:56.090 that I'm more in tune with his will. Do you care 00:10:56.090 --> 00:10:58.029 if I read the words? No, I think you should. 00:11:12.929 --> 00:11:21.009 I love all four verses. It really is my go -to 00:11:21.009 --> 00:11:24.460 during the sacrament because I want my soul to 00:11:24.460 --> 00:11:29.379 commune with God's soul. And I want to be His. 00:11:30.980 --> 00:11:33.980 I have always loved that song. I tell everyone 00:11:33.980 --> 00:11:37.639 it's my step one, two, three, just to be willing 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:42.320 and know that He's there. And I have numerous 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:46.700 examples of how He has been there for my whole 00:11:46.700 --> 00:11:50.039 life. You just said it's my steps one, two, three. 00:11:50.059 --> 00:11:51.779 That's kind of code. So I guess you're going 00:11:51.779 --> 00:11:53.860 to have to explain what that means now. They 00:11:53.860 --> 00:11:56.659 all know because they don't actually. We have 00:11:56.659 --> 00:12:01.759 new listeners. Step one, two, three is in the 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.620 12 step recovery, which is where we met. And 00:12:05.620 --> 00:12:09.240 one is admitting that we're powerless to is. 00:12:11.100 --> 00:12:13.519 Coming to believe coming to believe that a power 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:15.879 greater than us can restore us to sanity and 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:18.899 step three is. our willingness to let Him. To 00:12:18.899 --> 00:12:21.980 turn it over. To turn it over. And that to me 00:12:21.980 --> 00:12:25.879 is my step one, two, three in Him worship and 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:29.500 doctrine. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. You know, one 00:12:29.500 --> 00:12:32.039 of the reasons I can't sing, I stand all amazed, 00:12:32.220 --> 00:12:35.200 is the part where it says, and I probably can't 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:38.919 even speak it, to rescue a soul so rebellious 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:42.899 and proud as mine. That's me. You know, if you 00:12:42.899 --> 00:12:45.000 look in the entire hymn book and you were to 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.519 look for a phrase that describes Scott Durfee 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:53.980 to rescue a soul so rebellious and proud, that's 00:12:53.980 --> 00:12:58.240 me. Then that has been me. And if I'm not vigilant 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:02.379 and if I'm not constant and if I'm not disciplined 00:13:02.379 --> 00:13:05.919 and I don't practice discipleship, it comes back, 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.440 you know, quickly. Well, you do a really good 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:11.690 job at that. In my life. You're a really great 00:13:11.690 --> 00:13:17.490 example of that and you strive to be become aligned. 00:13:17.509 --> 00:13:20.210 I do. I watch you. I get a front row seat to 00:13:20.210 --> 00:13:23.090 that. And thank you. But, you know, this the 00:13:23.090 --> 00:13:25.029 reason that this has been so important to me, 00:13:25.110 --> 00:13:28.009 Deb, is so right after sacrament meeting, we 00:13:28.009 --> 00:13:31.269 go into Sunday school and I teach gospel doctrine 00:13:31.269 --> 00:13:35.470 and I have prepared a lesson on sections in the 00:13:35.470 --> 00:13:37.649 doctrine and covenants that really aren't that 00:13:37.649 --> 00:13:41.509 closely related to our experience. And I have 00:13:41.509 --> 00:13:47.090 this, even at the end of sacrament meeting, I'm 00:13:47.090 --> 00:13:49.769 thinking, what am I gonna do for Sunday school? 00:13:50.309 --> 00:13:52.850 I mean, we can't go out of here and then go into 00:13:52.850 --> 00:13:55.409 Sunday school and have it like somebody sticking 00:13:55.409 --> 00:13:57.470 a pin in the balloon and now the air just go. 00:13:58.169 --> 00:14:01.370 out of our experience, right? And so all of a 00:14:01.370 --> 00:14:03.950 sudden I'm feeling the weight of responsibility 00:14:03.950 --> 00:14:07.710 and the weight of stewardship as I know that 00:14:07.710 --> 00:14:10.830 it's my calling, I've been set apart, Heavenly 00:14:10.830 --> 00:14:14.549 Father trusts me to lead His children. And I 00:14:14.549 --> 00:14:17.429 don't know that we did it right, but. I do know 00:14:17.429 --> 00:14:19.149 that when I got to Sunday school and was preparing 00:14:19.149 --> 00:14:21.269 to, you know, setting up my computer and do all 00:14:21.269 --> 00:14:23.769 that. And then I turned and I asked a friend, 00:14:23.950 --> 00:14:25.490 Tim. I said, Tim, will you say the opening prayer? 00:14:25.629 --> 00:14:29.190 He said, sure. And so he stands up and in his 00:14:29.190 --> 00:14:32.289 prayer, he says, bless Brother Durfee that he 00:14:32.289 --> 00:14:35.230 will have the ability to be flexible in his preparation 00:14:35.230 --> 00:14:39.679 today. It was almost like he kind of knew too, 00:14:40.100 --> 00:14:41.759 you know, and he probably did I mean he knows 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:45.879 me well enough We serve together for many years 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.320 and we've been close close friends from for even 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:51.179 longer And so he kind of probably knew where 00:14:51.179 --> 00:14:53.490 I'd be with all that, you know, because I was 00:14:53.490 --> 00:14:55.730 struggling. I'd spent several hours in preparation, 00:14:55.830 --> 00:14:59.470 created this really cool, you know, PowerPoint 00:14:59.470 --> 00:15:01.629 with things that fly and come back in and blah, 00:15:01.649 --> 00:15:03.509 blah, blah, you know, and it took a lot of time 00:15:03.509 --> 00:15:06.610 to prepare it. Well, that's gets to sit in the 00:15:06.610 --> 00:15:09.870 file now unused until maybe next time, because 00:15:09.870 --> 00:15:12.330 we're years. Yeah, maybe if I'm still teaching, 00:15:12.389 --> 00:15:14.549 because maybe because this time, you know, we 00:15:14.549 --> 00:15:16.570 talked about and this is a question I want to 00:15:16.570 --> 00:15:21.309 ask you, Deb, why do you go to church? to partake 00:15:21.309 --> 00:15:24.950 of the sacrament, to commune with God through 00:15:24.950 --> 00:15:27.309 Jesus Christ. I wonder if we asked our listeners 00:15:27.309 --> 00:15:30.309 that same question. In fact, I'm going to. So 00:15:30.309 --> 00:15:32.750 listeners, ask yourself this question, why do 00:15:32.750 --> 00:15:35.309 I go to church? And if you want to pause the 00:15:35.309 --> 00:15:37.669 podcast right now and give it some thought, I 00:15:37.669 --> 00:15:39.889 would encourage you to do that. But why do you 00:15:39.889 --> 00:15:43.070 go to church? Why do you participate in the things 00:15:43.070 --> 00:15:47.269 of our religion? I can tell you why I used to. 00:15:47.490 --> 00:15:50.480 OK. Now we're getting somewhere, probably for 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.340 the same reason I did, but please. Well, it was 00:15:52.340 --> 00:15:54.600 a checkbox thing for me. OK, what do you mean 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.200 by that? I was always raised that we just on 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.259 Sundays, we get up, we go to church. Nothing 00:15:59.259 --> 00:16:01.500 wrong with that. And I remember when my kids 00:16:01.500 --> 00:16:06.399 were young and I did not get one thing ever at 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:09.799 a church. I mean, I was wrestling kids. Most 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.919 of the time I took my kids by myself and I wrestled 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.799 three little children and they were not. reverent 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:19.019 children and they weren't still children. And 00:16:19.019 --> 00:16:21.360 I remember taking them in and out and in and 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.879 out and trying to, you know, and I remember coming 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:27.159 home on a Sunday and calling my mom saying, crying, 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:30.419 saying, I have no idea why I even go to church. 00:16:30.500 --> 00:16:33.960 This is insanity to me. And, and half the time 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.860 I'm so frustrated by the end. It's like, I don't 00:16:36.860 --> 00:16:39.159 feel anything close to the spirit. Right. And 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:42.200 I'll never forget what she said. She said, you're 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:46.179 instilling a habit. And even though you may not 00:16:46.179 --> 00:16:49.259 feel anything right now, the Lord is aware of 00:16:49.259 --> 00:16:52.960 you and those children. And I just kept thinking, 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:55.460 okay, then I'm just going to do the to -do's. 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.139 Because it was very, very difficult for me. So 00:17:00.139 --> 00:17:06.019 hard. And there were numerous Sundays that I 00:17:06.019 --> 00:17:10.759 would still just get up and do my due diligence 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.880 and check the box. I literally just. Just suit 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:16.539 up and show up. I don't care, get up and go to 00:17:16.539 --> 00:17:18.859 church, get up and go to church, get up and go 00:17:18.859 --> 00:17:25.019 to church. Yeah, so I understand the check box 00:17:25.019 --> 00:17:28.079 mentality. I understand the just do it because 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.220 we've always done it. Right, right, right, right. 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:32.480 Well, that's the question I asked in Sunday school. 00:17:32.660 --> 00:17:35.250 I said, why do you go to church? And there were 00:17:35.250 --> 00:17:37.309 a lot of really great answers, and they're all 00:17:37.309 --> 00:17:43.029 good. There were answers like, I come to commune 00:17:43.029 --> 00:17:46.779 with, or to... fellowship with others. I come 00:17:46.779 --> 00:17:50.220 to learn from others. I come to be buoyed up 00:17:50.220 --> 00:17:52.579 and strengthened by others. And these are all 00:17:52.579 --> 00:17:55.259 great things, right? Very important, not only 00:17:55.259 --> 00:17:56.940 great, but important. In fact, they were an important 00:17:56.940 --> 00:17:59.859 part of the original church in Ephesians. Paul 00:17:59.859 --> 00:18:03.900 talks about that, you know, for the fellowship 00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:07.920 of the saints and much, much more. So, you know, 00:18:08.059 --> 00:18:11.880 those kinds of things are important. For me, 00:18:12.059 --> 00:18:14.759 though, that's a difficult thing because I don't 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:17.500 really that's where I fall. You know, I don't 00:18:17.500 --> 00:18:20.980 really want to go fellowship and hang out and 00:18:20.980 --> 00:18:23.559 all of that. At least I didn't. I haven't in 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.000 the past. And now I do. But here's the thing 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:29.240 for me, Deb, you and I both have sort of similar 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:34.960 pasts. For me, many, many, many years, I had 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:37.920 a void, a spiritual void in my life. It was just 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.099 gone. for the most part wasn't completely gone 00:18:41.099 --> 00:18:43.279 it was there and it was frequently there but 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:48.140 for the most part it was gone today when I go 00:18:48.140 --> 00:18:51.799 and I feel the spirit like I feel last felt last 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.319 week and I have felt several times since but 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:58.089 it not to that not to that magnitude. But when 00:18:58.089 --> 00:19:01.569 I feel that to that magnitude, I remember that 00:19:01.569 --> 00:19:03.930 what I've learned and what I've experienced and 00:19:03.930 --> 00:19:06.769 what I've learned and experienced is, you know 00:19:06.769 --> 00:19:09.230 what? I don't necessarily need church to make 00:19:09.230 --> 00:19:12.309 my life better. Maybe that's the wrong way to 00:19:12.309 --> 00:19:15.609 say it. Let me just say it this way. I need to 00:19:15.609 --> 00:19:19.769 go to church to help strengthen and deepen my 00:19:19.769 --> 00:19:23.650 relationship with my Heavenly Father and His 00:19:23.650 --> 00:19:26.799 Son. and the Holy Ghost. And when I go there 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:31.640 and I felt the administration of Christ's Atonement 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:34.940 in my life like I did last Sunday, it impacts 00:19:34.940 --> 00:19:38.880 me. And because it impacts me, I like to think 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.200 that it impacts those around me for the better. 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:43.880 Yeah, absolutely. You know, there's just so much 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:47.099 discouragement and so much out there. And I have 00:19:47.099 --> 00:19:49.259 felt that, you know, this past week, I've had 00:19:49.259 --> 00:19:52.859 some discouragement on top of all of this. Unfortunately, 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.339 a man that I've known for many years and have 00:19:56.339 --> 00:20:00.549 been working with in AA. Made a decision not 00:20:00.549 --> 00:20:03.809 to participate anymore and it's drinking again 00:20:03.809 --> 00:20:06.410 And you know and all that involves with that 00:20:06.410 --> 00:20:09.130 and it's just insane the insanity but for the 00:20:09.130 --> 00:20:11.990 grace of God there go I we often say that right 00:20:11.990 --> 00:20:15.009 And and I'm getting to experience that but contrast 00:20:15.009 --> 00:20:19.329 that with the conversation That I had with our 00:20:19.329 --> 00:20:23.869 son yesterday He's been struggling. I asked him 00:20:23.869 --> 00:20:26.789 if it was okay if I if I shared a little bit 00:20:26.789 --> 00:20:29.529 on the podcast He gave me permission to do so 00:20:29.529 --> 00:20:33.329 But over the past several years He has really 00:20:33.329 --> 00:20:36.750 struggled. I mean there's been sue suicide ideology 00:20:36.750 --> 00:20:41.690 in his life An attempt a suicide attempt. I hate 00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:49.289 to even say that makes me sick Divorce, you know, 00:20:49.750 --> 00:20:53.289 and just rehabilitation. He's been to rehab. 00:20:53.730 --> 00:20:57.069 He had some really difficult things several years 00:20:57.069 --> 00:21:00.390 ago prior to his divorce. Getting sober from 00:21:00.390 --> 00:21:03.710 heavy drugs, you know, those kinds of things. 00:21:03.890 --> 00:21:06.029 But yesterday, he and I are outside and we're 00:21:06.029 --> 00:21:09.230 just kind of... talking since he's staying here 00:21:09.230 --> 00:21:10.970 with us. And I love that, you know, while he 00:21:10.970 --> 00:21:13.069 gets his life together. He's got two years sober 00:21:13.069 --> 00:21:14.869 and a lot of things that he's just needing to 00:21:14.869 --> 00:21:16.769 get worked out before he's ready to get back 00:21:16.769 --> 00:21:18.930 out on his own financially and a few things like 00:21:18.930 --> 00:21:20.789 that. But we're standing outside. He's helping 00:21:20.789 --> 00:21:24.789 me because of my handicap. He's helping me around 00:21:24.789 --> 00:21:29.529 the house. And I just said, how's it going? And 00:21:29.529 --> 00:21:31.130 you know what he told me? He says, Dad, you know, 00:21:31.170 --> 00:21:33.730 he says, since I have decided to let God be in 00:21:33.730 --> 00:21:37.500 charge of my life, I have peace. Things are so 00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:40.539 much better. He said nothing's changed the circumstances 00:21:40.539 --> 00:21:43.039 and situations in my life are basically the same 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:46.039 But I'm letting God run my life now Trevor's 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:49.200 not going to church not to our church. He's not 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:51.299 going to church You know, he's not participating 00:21:51.299 --> 00:21:53.920 in he went on a mission and he did all those 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:57.220 things, but he's he's living a life like I did 00:21:57.220 --> 00:22:04.059 But but he he he understands his relationship 00:22:04.059 --> 00:22:08.069 with his Heavenly Father And he understands it 00:22:08.069 --> 00:22:10.329 is only through that relationship through his 00:22:10.329 --> 00:22:12.670 heavenly father and because of the atonement 00:22:12.670 --> 00:22:15.849 of Jesus Christ that that's available, administrated 00:22:15.849 --> 00:22:18.950 or administered to us through the Holy Ghost. 00:22:18.970 --> 00:22:23.349 I love the three roles of the Godhead there. 00:22:23.690 --> 00:22:26.470 But he understands that through that and because 00:22:26.470 --> 00:22:28.930 of that he can have peace again in his life. 00:22:28.930 --> 00:22:31.890 And he's really kind of basking in that lately. 00:22:32.029 --> 00:22:36.359 I just love watching that. He's so awesome. um 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:42.019 it made me think of how I found actually not 00:22:42.019 --> 00:22:45.519 necessarily God because I didn't have I didn't 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:49.180 have a misconception really of of who God was 00:22:49.180 --> 00:22:51.559 I had a misconception of Jesus Christ in his 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:54.980 role and it wasn't until I got into recovery 00:22:54.980 --> 00:23:01.440 that I started understanding and feeling the 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:04.160 tangible effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:07.319 and I think You know, being raised in an organized 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:10.940 religion, no matter what religion it is, we think 00:23:10.940 --> 00:23:15.380 that that's where we find God. And for me, I 00:23:15.380 --> 00:23:19.599 had to redefine who my Heavenly Father was, because 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:22.000 I, for a long time, I thought he was like the 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.180 cop god that was making check marks. So every 00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:26.160 time I said a bad word or any time I was doing 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.740 anything incorrectly or wrong or whatever, that 00:23:28.740 --> 00:23:31.359 he was taken. notes about all my sins and well 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:33.440 we sing a song about the angels taking notes 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:36.299 about the I know and I don't love that song but 00:23:36.299 --> 00:23:39.420 it's thank goodness we didn't sing that on Sunday 00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:44.500 oh gosh you can edit that I'm leaving it anyway 00:23:44.500 --> 00:23:47.940 um I just I just think it's important no matter 00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:50.160 where we look no matter where we find him whether 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.200 we find God and Jesus Christ in AA whether we 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.259 find him in the mountains whether we find them 00:23:55.259 --> 00:24:00.049 in our in our deepest challenges and fears and 00:24:00.049 --> 00:24:02.670 discomfort. I was just talking to Bowen, our 00:24:02.670 --> 00:24:05.869 youngest this morning, talking about there's 00:24:05.869 --> 00:24:07.769 no growing in the comfort zone and no comfort 00:24:07.769 --> 00:24:09.609 in the growing zone. So when we're uncomfortable, 00:24:09.670 --> 00:24:12.690 just know something's happening. You know, that's 00:24:12.690 --> 00:24:15.329 God's way of helping us to change our hearts, 00:24:15.569 --> 00:24:18.849 to break open, literally have those broken hearts 00:24:18.849 --> 00:24:23.309 to be open and movable. Let Him change us to 00:24:23.309 --> 00:24:26.910 the person and to the being that we are meant 00:24:26.910 --> 00:24:29.049 to be. be. And when we're uncomfortable, probably 00:24:29.049 --> 00:24:31.430 does hurt. He's probably breaking our arms and 00:24:31.430 --> 00:24:34.849 legs too, to just change us into and transform 00:24:34.849 --> 00:24:38.730 us into who he wants us to be. And I know for 00:24:38.730 --> 00:24:42.829 a fact, for a fact that he has a way better plan 00:24:42.829 --> 00:24:45.549 than I ever did because my best thinking got 00:24:45.549 --> 00:24:49.529 me in all kinds of disaster messes. So, I mean, 00:24:49.690 --> 00:24:53.730 I've lived long enough to know that his plan 00:24:53.730 --> 00:24:57.680 is way better than mine. Yeah, I agree. Prior 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:02.700 to Deb, me getting sober and me having a more, 00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:06.200 a different type of conversion process than I 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:08.519 had had before in my life, you know, and that 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:11.460 was about the time that I got sober. Probably 00:25:11.460 --> 00:25:13.359 several years after that, though I've been sober 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:17.900 26 years, it'll be 27 on October 26 night. So 00:25:17.900 --> 00:25:21.579 on October 26 1998 was my first day of sobriety. 00:25:22.910 --> 00:25:26.930 Prior to that I I had the same view now I hadn't 00:25:26.930 --> 00:25:28.910 been taught that I want to be careful because 00:25:28.910 --> 00:25:31.609 I don't want to cast dispersion on anybody in 00:25:31.609 --> 00:25:35.750 my life who Nobody taught me said Scott. It's 00:25:35.750 --> 00:25:39.329 a checkbox Situation here if you go do this if 00:25:39.329 --> 00:25:41.829 you do that if you do that, you know, it wasn't 00:25:41.829 --> 00:25:44.430 about that I wasn't taught that well, maybe in 00:25:44.430 --> 00:25:47.710 maybe in part I was you know DNC 82 10 I the 00:25:47.710 --> 00:25:51.549 Lord I'm bound if you do what I say And it's 00:25:51.549 --> 00:25:54.140 true. Yeah It's true. If you do what you say, 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.980 if we do what the Lord says, then we do allow 00:25:57.980 --> 00:26:02.539 him to bless us with the blessings that are attached 00:26:02.539 --> 00:26:06.519 to those laws. My problem was though, it was 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:10.400 the experience. It was the relationship. I needed 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:13.799 to have the relationship. I needed to understand 00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:17.839 that he knew me. I had a misperception of God 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:21.000 too. But my biggest misperception wasn't necessarily 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.180 of God. I thought I kind of signed that way, 00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:25.460 same way, you know, as you did, as you explained, 00:26:25.539 --> 00:26:27.440 just waiting for me to make a mistake so I could 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.819 be punished. But my biggest misperception was 00:26:30.819 --> 00:26:33.319 me. You know, I didn't know me. I didn't know 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:35.640 who I was. That's why I think in the very beginning 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:38.140 of the podcast, we talk about that who we are 00:26:38.140 --> 00:26:40.839 and whose we are. And I sure didn't know I was 00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:43.539 his. I should have. I went on a mission. I did 00:26:43.539 --> 00:26:46.059 all these other things and I but I didn't. didn't 00:26:46.059 --> 00:26:49.240 think I was his unless I lived my life a certain 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.460 way, right? You had to be worthy to be his. Yeah, 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:54.859 not just worthy to go to the temple, not just 00:26:54.859 --> 00:26:56.900 worthy to partake of the sacrament, but worthy 00:26:56.900 --> 00:27:00.900 to be his. And I love, you know, I was I talked 00:27:00.900 --> 00:27:04.900 to Nick today. A friend of ours, Nick, he was 00:27:04.900 --> 00:27:07.680 on the podcast last year or the year before, 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:09.660 and he was talking about his relationship with 00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:13.140 Jesus and Heavenly Father. And he said this, 00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:15.140 he says, I thought that it was only through the 00:27:15.140 --> 00:27:16.920 church that I could have that relationship. Well, 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:18.940 that's not true. It's through the church and 00:27:18.940 --> 00:27:20.900 it's through the covenant process. And as we 00:27:20.900 --> 00:27:23.700 put on the atonement of Jesus Christ, its completion 00:27:23.700 --> 00:27:27.880 or its continuation here in this life includes 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:30.480 covenant relationship, right? We're gonna talk 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.150 about that. It includes covenant relationship. 00:27:33.589 --> 00:27:36.609 But before I was ready to understand the covenant 00:27:36.609 --> 00:27:39.910 relationship component in my life, I needed relief. 00:27:40.369 --> 00:27:44.029 I needed relief from the bondage of self. You 00:27:44.029 --> 00:27:48.569 know, I was just so in so much turmoil because 00:27:48.569 --> 00:27:50.769 of the fall, because of things that had happened 00:27:50.769 --> 00:27:53.369 to me, because of things that choices that I 00:27:53.369 --> 00:27:58.000 had made. There were conditions. There were definitely 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:00.160 conditions in my life. We talked about conditions 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.660 last week and we referred to Doctrine and Covenants 00:28:02.660 --> 00:28:05.339 4615 when we talked about those conditions, how 00:28:05.339 --> 00:28:08.819 that God will adjust his judgments according 00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:11.279 and make them suitable according to the conditions 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:13.180 of man. He's not going to judge us all the same, 00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:15.920 our conditions. And I had conditions, but I also 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.579 had temptations and I was super weak in my temptations. 00:28:18.579 --> 00:28:23.559 And I justified breaking the law of God because 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.380 I didn't understand. The law of God. I didn't 00:28:27.380 --> 00:28:29.539 understand it the way that we need to talk about 00:28:29.539 --> 00:28:32.299 it the way that we need to understand it. Yeah 00:28:32.299 --> 00:28:35.299 It's been impactful learning that and understanding 00:28:35.299 --> 00:28:42.880 that because I remember when I was 17 18 years 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.339 old and I'm trying to you know prayerfully find 00:28:46.339 --> 00:28:49.259 a family for this baby that I you know that I 00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:52.180 feel like Needs to be raised by a mom and a dad 00:28:52.180 --> 00:28:55.220 not by a single 18 -year -old, 17 -year -old 00:28:55.220 --> 00:28:59.420 girl. And I remember pleading and praying and 00:28:59.420 --> 00:29:02.119 pleading and praying saying, I don't, there are 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.099 so many people in this world. How would I ever 00:29:04.099 --> 00:29:08.960 find the perfect home for this baby? And I remember 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:13.619 the agency saying, you know, we have a prayer 00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:15.779 circle. We're going to, we're going to pray and 00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:18.900 I want you to pray. And they said, okay, here's 00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:23.170 family A, B, C, D, E. And I chose, I'd have to 00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:25.289 look at my journal, but I'm just for example 00:29:25.289 --> 00:29:27.190 sake, I'm going to say, you know, I chose E. 00:29:28.269 --> 00:29:31.650 And they said, we, we feel good about E as well. 00:29:31.849 --> 00:29:34.849 They went and talked to the bishop of this family 00:29:34.849 --> 00:29:39.529 and, you know, to make sure that they're in, 00:29:39.529 --> 00:29:42.150 you know, ready for this baby. And there, and 00:29:42.150 --> 00:29:44.970 the bishop said at the time, this was the message 00:29:44.970 --> 00:29:51.579 I got that, um, the, the family had, had not, 00:29:51.579 --> 00:29:54.380 you know, been paying tithing and hadn't been 00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:57.819 going to church and hadn't been doing some things. 00:29:57.819 --> 00:29:59.880 And it might not be a good time right now for 00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:05.359 this family. And so, you know, the social worker 00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.359 came to me and said, let's pray for another family. 00:30:08.740 --> 00:30:12.819 And I remember thinking, holy cow, how many blessings 00:30:12.819 --> 00:30:16.700 have I given up? because of obedience in this 00:30:16.700 --> 00:30:19.279 conditional effects, you know what I mean? And 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.019 so again, I took it to the Lord and we chose 00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:26.200 family B or something. And I just, I will never, 00:30:26.420 --> 00:30:31.519 that was such a huge impactful lesson on that 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:36.119 young mind of mine to remember, you know, there 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:39.700 are conditional effects, there are. you know, 00:30:39.700 --> 00:30:42.519 based on our obedience and based on how we live 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:46.119 our lives, we sometimes void and I don't think 00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:50.559 that family will ever, ever know. And I won't 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.259 ever know the blessings that I have given up 00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:56.559 because of choices I have made. But man, that 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.680 was impactful to a young mind and to a spirit 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.519 that penetrated my heart to the point that it 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:08.880 was like I said, I mean, that's been 40. years 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:14.819 ago, 450, I don't know. Anyways, I will just 00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:20.440 never forget that whole process of, man, if I'm 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.720 not obedient, I could be given up, you know, 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.700 some of these blessings that the Lord wants to 00:31:25.700 --> 00:31:31.920 give to me. And that's where we are today. You 00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.759 know we've received so many blessings so many 00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.059 so many blessings that have come I don't even 00:31:37.059 --> 00:31:39.640 deserve well and that's that's exactly right 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:43.079 that have come by way of Christ's atonement and 00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.859 these are the unconditional blessings that have 00:31:45.859 --> 00:31:49.099 come Today we're gonna kind of move into, obviously 00:31:49.099 --> 00:31:53.319 we've taken way more time than we probably planned, 00:31:53.380 --> 00:31:55.259 so we're not gonna be able to cover this all 00:31:55.259 --> 00:31:57.480 today, but we're getting into one or two of the 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.440 conditional effects of Christ's Atonement today 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:03.880 as we talk about these things. But, you know, 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:08.099 again, I just wanna re -emphasize, if I can, 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:12.799 that when we are ready, and maybe this is a good 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:14.740 time for me to share this part too. You know, 00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:17.940 Deb, when I was ready, when I had hit a, what 00:32:17.940 --> 00:32:20.559 I call a rock bottom, when I had made my choice 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:24.509 to come. back and to try and realign or try and 00:32:24.509 --> 00:32:27.049 align maybe even for the first time really with 00:32:27.049 --> 00:32:29.529 the will of my Heavenly Father. There were just 00:32:29.529 --> 00:32:32.430 a lot of blessings came my way. There were the 00:32:32.430 --> 00:32:34.349 strengthening and enabling blessings. I felt 00:32:34.349 --> 00:32:36.890 the compensatory blessings from Christ's Atonement 00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:40.309 already at work in my life compensating me, strengthening 00:32:40.309 --> 00:32:42.910 me, giving me the things that I needed so that 00:32:42.910 --> 00:32:46.470 I could make that alignment. And then the most 00:32:46.470 --> 00:32:49.430 important one for me to remember I think during 00:32:49.430 --> 00:32:51.910 those times was to to really believe that I had 00:32:51.910 --> 00:32:56.509 been redeemed. To really believe that he had 00:32:56.509 --> 00:33:00.630 purchased me, redeemed me. That's what redeemed 00:33:00.630 --> 00:33:04.009 mean, right? Is he's purchased me, I'm his. And 00:33:04.009 --> 00:33:08.430 the currency with which he purchased me was his 00:33:08.430 --> 00:33:11.589 blood. That's why we call it that. That precious. 00:33:12.130 --> 00:33:15.829 Redeemed through his blood. I am only redeemed. 00:33:15.930 --> 00:33:18.029 through his blood. And when I say redeemed, that 00:33:18.029 --> 00:33:20.589 means forgiven. That means my sins washed away. 00:33:20.670 --> 00:33:23.910 That means made right. That means to be justified. 00:33:24.069 --> 00:33:28.490 That means mercy overruling the laws of mercy, 00:33:28.690 --> 00:33:31.549 overruling or overtaking the laws of justice. 00:33:31.630 --> 00:33:33.890 That's what all that means. And the only way 00:33:33.890 --> 00:33:36.269 that that could happen for me was in alignment 00:33:36.269 --> 00:33:38.710 with him. I had the conversation just the day 00:33:38.710 --> 00:33:42.630 before yesterday with somebody in recovery. And 00:33:42.630 --> 00:33:46.089 we're talking about rock bottom. And how does 00:33:46.089 --> 00:33:48.009 everybody, the question, in fact, David used 00:33:48.009 --> 00:33:50.349 to always ask me, are you sure, does everybody 00:33:50.349 --> 00:33:52.910 really have to reach a rock bottom in their lives 00:33:52.910 --> 00:33:55.490 in order to get sober? And the answer is varying, 00:33:55.690 --> 00:34:00.009 obviously. But I will say this, that it is a 00:34:00.009 --> 00:34:02.289 choice. Rock bottom's a choice, not a place. 00:34:02.650 --> 00:34:05.490 However, and this was the conversation that I 00:34:05.490 --> 00:34:07.170 was having with somebody just the other day, 00:34:08.389 --> 00:34:10.880 my rock bottom's not the one that matters. You 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:12.780 know, it can influence, it can have influence. 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.260 But the rock bottom, Jesus in Alma chapter 7, 00:34:16.340 --> 00:34:19.980 we read about Jesus' rock bottom. We read about 00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:22.900 it in Luke 22. We read about it, you know, when 00:34:22.900 --> 00:34:25.880 we went to Jerusalem, to Israel, to the Holy 00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:28.679 Land and walked through the garden and, you know, 00:34:28.980 --> 00:34:33.739 past Golgotha and down the Via Dolorosa, you 00:34:33.739 --> 00:34:38.059 know, and all those things, you know, I can feel 00:34:38.059 --> 00:34:42.449 that. I can feel that that was the rock bottom 00:34:42.449 --> 00:34:45.969 of eternity that matters. That's the only one 00:34:45.969 --> 00:34:48.329 that matters. Everything that he went through 00:34:48.329 --> 00:34:52.250 compensates, pays for, blesses me with, strengthens 00:34:52.250 --> 00:34:56.750 and redeems me from the fallen world and all. 00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.780 that's included here. So let's talk about that. 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:03.380 All right, so let's go to Alma chapter 42 verses 00:35:03.380 --> 00:35:05.340 23 through 24. Do you want to read them, babe? 00:35:05.659 --> 00:35:09.659 I'm going to read 23, 24, and 25. Okay. And we 00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:12.260 can stop and talk about this because this is 00:35:12.260 --> 00:35:17.000 the reason we need the conditional effects of 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:19.139 the atonement of Jesus Christ in our life and 00:35:19.139 --> 00:35:23.420 how they actually come about. Yeah. Okay. But 00:35:23.420 --> 00:35:27.230 God ceaseth not to be God. and mercy claimeth 00:35:27.230 --> 00:35:31.070 the penitent and mercy cometh because the atonement 00:35:31.070 --> 00:35:34.329 and the atonement bringeth to pass the resurrection 00:35:34.329 --> 00:35:36.969 of the dead and the resurrection of the dead 00:35:36.969 --> 00:35:40.929 bringeth back men into the presence of God and 00:35:40.929 --> 00:35:45.730 thus they are restored into his presence to be 00:35:45.730 --> 00:35:48.690 judged according to their works according to 00:35:48.690 --> 00:35:53.570 the law and justice for behold justice exerciseth 00:35:53.690 --> 00:35:58.670 all his demands and also mercy claimeth all which 00:35:58.670 --> 00:36:03.090 is her own and thus none but the truly penitent 00:36:03.090 --> 00:36:08.030 are saved now 25 do ye suppose that mercy can 00:36:08.030 --> 00:36:14.190 rob justice i say unto you nay not one wit if 00:36:14.190 --> 00:36:19.019 so god would cease to be god And 26, and thus 00:36:19.019 --> 00:36:21.980 God bringeth about his great and eternal purposes, 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.719 which are prepared from the foundation of the 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.559 world. And thus cometh about the salvation and 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:33.119 the redemption of men and also their destruction 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:38.780 and misery. So it's by the law that we get destruction 00:36:38.780 --> 00:36:43.840 and misery or that we get salvation and redemption. 00:36:43.900 --> 00:36:46.380 It's only by the law. Right? And so there are 00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:49.579 laws. There are laws that we have to obey. It's 00:36:49.579 --> 00:36:52.780 the law of God. I mean, no unclean thing can 00:36:52.780 --> 00:36:55.679 enter into the kingdom of God, or no unclean 00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.019 thing can dwell with God, all of that. But we 00:36:59.019 --> 00:37:01.360 see here that we are brought back because of, 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:03.739 and after the resurrection, because of the laws 00:37:03.739 --> 00:37:06.420 of mercy, we are brought back into the presence 00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:09.059 of God to be judged. Now it talks about mercy 00:37:09.059 --> 00:37:15.019 and justice, and it refers to Justice here exerciseth 00:37:15.019 --> 00:37:20.320 his demands and also mercy claimeth all which 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:24.400 is her own and thus none but the truly penitent 00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:26.980 are saved. What is the truly penitent? What do 00:37:26.980 --> 00:37:29.059 you think that even means? I think those that 00:37:29.059 --> 00:37:34.139 are willing to. Repent, let go, yeah, and let 00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:37.719 God. I also thought earlier we talked about this, 00:37:37.820 --> 00:37:42.369 but I thought it it just got my attention. In 00:37:42.369 --> 00:37:45.510 24 when it says and also also mercy claimeth 00:37:45.510 --> 00:37:48.630 all which is her own Yeah, I think that's super 00:37:48.630 --> 00:37:50.429 interesting and I know you said there's no doctrine 00:37:50.429 --> 00:37:53.550 behind it, but I'm studying that Because I like 00:37:53.550 --> 00:37:57.130 the word her I can relate to that. Well and justice 00:37:57.130 --> 00:38:00.909 claimeth his own. Yep, right Mercy claimeth her 00:38:00.909 --> 00:38:05.289 own. Yeah, right. So yeah Just as exercises all 00:38:05.289 --> 00:38:08.449 the demands and also mercy claimeth all which 00:38:08.449 --> 00:38:14.980 is her own Where does this come from? Well, I 00:38:14.980 --> 00:38:19.059 think it's just God's laws. Let's go to D &C 00:38:19.059 --> 00:38:23.880 19 and we're going to read verse 16. So D &C 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:28.800 19 verse 16. I got it. For behold, I, God, have 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.519 suffered all these things for all that they might 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.199 not suffer if they repent. OK, I'm going to just 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:35.460 stop right there. We're going to go. We're going 00:38:35.460 --> 00:38:37.860 to do the last one. Don't worry, y 'all, because 00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:43.090 I know that that's important. But for behold, 00:38:43.469 --> 00:38:46.170 I, God, have suffered these things for all, now 00:38:46.170 --> 00:38:50.289 this is Jesus obviously talking, for all that 00:38:50.289 --> 00:38:56.429 they might not suffer if they would repent. When 00:38:56.429 --> 00:39:00.690 I think of suffering, this is where we really, 00:39:00.949 --> 00:39:03.409 I think, when we feel and notice the suffering 00:39:03.409 --> 00:39:05.050 in our own lives, and it can look like a whole 00:39:05.050 --> 00:39:06.610 bunch of different things. It doesn't have to 00:39:06.610 --> 00:39:09.909 look like a full blown alcoholic, you know, riding 00:39:09.909 --> 00:39:12.630 off the rails or, you know, it doesn't have to 00:39:12.630 --> 00:39:15.170 look like any of that. It can look like a faithful 00:39:15.170 --> 00:39:18.429 member of the church who's struggling with a 00:39:18.429 --> 00:39:21.190 relationship with a child. It can look like a 00:39:21.190 --> 00:39:23.409 faithful member of the church or anybody who's 00:39:23.409 --> 00:39:26.510 struggling with a point of doctrine. It can be, 00:39:26.510 --> 00:39:29.090 you know, one of the things and we talked about 00:39:29.090 --> 00:39:31.949 the compensatory blessing of Christ's atonement, 00:39:32.010 --> 00:39:34.969 you know, I think oftentimes, Deb, of those who 00:39:34.969 --> 00:39:38.110 may be, I'm not quite sure how to say this, and 00:39:38.110 --> 00:39:40.070 I want to be sensitive in the way that I do, 00:39:40.269 --> 00:39:42.769 because there's no flippancy in this at all, 00:39:42.949 --> 00:39:45.050 but those who struggle potentially even with 00:39:45.050 --> 00:39:48.309 gender confusion. I don't understand that. You 00:39:48.309 --> 00:39:52.269 know, but but he does and he will suit his mercies 00:39:52.269 --> 00:39:55.010 according to their conditions. Right. Absolutely. 00:39:55.369 --> 00:39:58.309 And many, many, many other things. I mean, we 00:39:58.309 --> 00:40:01.789 get so it's so easy for me and for us. And by 00:40:01.789 --> 00:40:04.989 my observation as as people, it's just so easy 00:40:04.989 --> 00:40:07.690 to see ourselves different from the rest of world. 00:40:07.710 --> 00:40:09.610 And I know that we should be a peculiar people. 00:40:09.610 --> 00:40:14.829 I know that. But I think that sometimes we cut 00:40:14.829 --> 00:40:19.590 off some of the other people in the world because 00:40:19.590 --> 00:40:23.630 we see them in a way that is unhealthy and maybe 00:40:23.630 --> 00:40:25.849 in a way that Heavenly Father and Jesus doesn't 00:40:25.849 --> 00:40:28.469 see them too. And I think that this is where 00:40:28.469 --> 00:40:33.960 the law of mercy, her... Right? So I love that. 00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.340 Yes. I love that. Mercy is this is where she 00:40:37.340 --> 00:40:40.699 comes in and understands. I don't understand 00:40:40.699 --> 00:40:43.579 that. But God does. And because he doesn't, because 00:40:43.579 --> 00:40:47.119 Jesus performed and carried out the atonement 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:50.219 and on the cross said it is finished. I think 00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:53.820 that I know that because of that. that those 00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:56.619 mercies can be extended and those things that 00:40:56.619 --> 00:40:58.739 so many of us struggle with. And I know that 00:40:58.739 --> 00:41:00.699 that's not just the only one. I know there's 00:41:00.699 --> 00:41:03.300 depression. I know there's chemical imbalances. 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.980 I know there's so many other things that so many 00:41:05.980 --> 00:41:09.659 of us, depressions and stuff like that, struggle 00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:13.619 with that God suits his mercies according to 00:41:13.619 --> 00:41:15.659 the conditions of men, like we talked about last 00:41:15.659 --> 00:41:18.900 week. So how then does this become a conditional 00:41:18.900 --> 00:41:22.230 effect? I mean, we talked last week that he's 00:41:22.230 --> 00:41:25.070 going to be merciful to us. So how does this 00:41:25.070 --> 00:41:30.250 become conditional then? Well, I think of this 00:41:30.250 --> 00:41:34.829 saying that basically says, in the end, everything's 00:41:34.829 --> 00:41:37.050 going to be all right. And if it's not all right, 00:41:37.130 --> 00:41:39.449 it's not the end. It's like we've got to trust 00:41:39.449 --> 00:41:42.849 the process. We need to trust our God. We need 00:41:42.849 --> 00:41:48.130 to trust our Savior who redeemed us. All of us, 00:41:48.309 --> 00:41:50.690 there was nobody left out. I don't care what 00:41:50.690 --> 00:41:54.530 color, size, shape, gender, I don't care. That 00:41:54.530 --> 00:41:59.489 he redeemed all his children. So that we know 00:41:59.489 --> 00:42:02.550 then that he suffered all these things for all 00:42:02.550 --> 00:42:04.710 that they might not suffer if they would repent. 00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:07.110 or turn to him, we're gonna talk about repentance. 00:42:07.250 --> 00:42:08.829 So we're right in the middle in the book in the 00:42:08.829 --> 00:42:11.389 course of chapter eight, moving into chapter 00:42:11.389 --> 00:42:13.550 nine in the book, The Divine Gift of Forgiveness, 00:42:14.090 --> 00:42:16.250 right? Later down the road when we talk about 00:42:16.250 --> 00:42:19.630 repentance, we're gonna be talking about when 00:42:19.630 --> 00:42:22.269 it says, if they would repent, that really means 00:42:22.269 --> 00:42:24.650 that they would come unto me. If they would just 00:42:24.650 --> 00:42:27.610 come to me. And then he says, if they would not 00:42:27.610 --> 00:42:30.380 repent, they must suffer even as I. And they're 00:42:30.380 --> 00:42:32.519 gonna not pay, you know, we're gonna learn in 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.400 a few weeks that we don't pay for our sins Repentance 00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:38.739 is not payment penalty or punishment for sin 00:42:38.739 --> 00:42:41.480 in any way There is suffering. In fact, elder 00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:43.900 Oaks made reference to something recently and 00:42:43.900 --> 00:42:45.940 you said Scott I thought maybe you didn't say 00:42:45.940 --> 00:42:47.559 it like this, but we don't suffer for our sins 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.440 But he talks about how our sins will be well, 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.519 we will pay it doesn't say pay It says we will 00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:55.760 suffer because of our sins is what elder Oaks 00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.500 says and we do suffer because of our sins our 00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:01.619 stuff Our sins cause us great suffering, but 00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:05.260 that's not payment. The payment was Jesus Christ. 00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:10.420 We suffer because of our sins, not because we 00:43:10.420 --> 00:43:13.860 are sinners. Let's go to Mosiah chapter three, 00:43:13.900 --> 00:43:16.539 because this is where I think the kind of the 00:43:16.539 --> 00:43:19.400 answer, it gives us the problem and the answer 00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.340 all in the same verse. This is Mosiah chapter 00:43:22.340 --> 00:43:26.239 three, verse 19. So here's the problem. For the 00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:29.320 natural man is an enemy to God. That's the problem. 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:32.940 It always has been since the fall. Yeah, there's 00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:35.719 a lot of natural man in all of us. We've talked 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.260 about that extensively throughout the podcast. 00:43:38.980 --> 00:43:41.480 But the natural man is an enemy to God and has 00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.000 been from the fall of Adam. So it began in the 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:48.159 very beginning and will be forever and ever unless. 00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:52.400 OK, so here it's circled unless I have it so 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.639 highlighted. I can barely read the black under 00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:59.739 the red. Ever and ever, unless he yields so it's 00:43:59.739 --> 00:44:03.880 conditional, right? Here we begin the conditional 00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.840 components or the conditional parts of Christ's 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:08.780 atonement blessings, the conditional blessings 00:44:08.780 --> 00:44:12.019 of Christ's atonement in our life. So he will 00:44:12.019 --> 00:44:15.460 be a natural man and an enemy to God and will 00:44:15.460 --> 00:44:19.239 be forever and less. He yields to the enticings 00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:23.460 of the Holy Spirit. Time out. yields to the enticings 00:44:23.460 --> 00:44:26.860 of the Holy Spirit. So when I am in a worship 00:44:26.860 --> 00:44:30.619 service on a Sabbath day like last week and I 00:44:30.619 --> 00:44:34.139 feel the enticings of the Holy Spirit. the Holy 00:44:34.139 --> 00:44:36.780 Spirit enticing me to do what? To live my life 00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:39.260 in greater accordance with my Heavenly Father's 00:44:39.260 --> 00:44:42.619 will. And when I do that and I have those experiences, 00:44:42.980 --> 00:44:44.840 then the weeks and days that follow, the days 00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.320 and weeks that follow are sometimes in greater 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:49.920 alignment with his will for me. And when that's 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.960 the case, I feel less of the natural man at work 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.900 in my life, right? So unless he yields to the 00:44:55.900 --> 00:44:58.659 enticings of the Holy Spirit and putteth off 00:44:58.659 --> 00:45:01.710 the natural man, and I might, say, and thereby 00:45:01.710 --> 00:45:05.690 putteth off the natural man, as we fill the enticings 00:45:05.690 --> 00:45:07.769 of the Holy Spirit, the natural man just kind 00:45:07.769 --> 00:45:10.269 of sheds away, requires effort on our part, but 00:45:10.269 --> 00:45:13.369 it's mostly enabled through the, again, the administration 00:45:13.369 --> 00:45:15.230 of the Holy Spirit in our life, and putteth off 00:45:15.230 --> 00:45:18.190 the natural man, and becomeeth a saint through 00:45:18.190 --> 00:45:21.650 the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becomeeth 00:45:21.650 --> 00:45:27.369 a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full 00:45:27.369 --> 00:45:31.969 of love. willing to submit to all things which 00:45:31.969 --> 00:45:36.250 the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even 00:45:36.250 --> 00:45:39.230 as a child does submit to his father. I also 00:45:39.230 --> 00:45:43.469 circled all. All what? Submit to all things. 00:45:44.190 --> 00:45:47.210 Yeah. Because there's things I'm not really patient, 00:45:47.409 --> 00:45:50.789 meek or humble about. But I have to be willing 00:45:50.789 --> 00:45:54.829 to submit to all things, not just some of the 00:45:54.829 --> 00:45:56.909 things. That's kind of where it begins, right? 00:45:56.909 --> 00:45:59.739 Yeah. So, you know, we're getting close. We should 00:45:59.739 --> 00:46:02.019 probably wrap up just on this one point. We'll 00:46:02.019 --> 00:46:04.440 continue next week with talking about the other 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.619 points of the conditional effects of Christ's 00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:09.480 Atonement. But I think that this is important. 00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:15.820 Maybe even a good design to just think for this 00:46:15.820 --> 00:46:19.239 week. In fact, here's our invitation. For this 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.400 week, among many of the other things that you 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.739 may have been impressed to do or accept as invitations 00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:27.960 by way of the Spirit. Here's an invitation from 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.699 Scott and Deb. This week, as we're going through 00:46:30.699 --> 00:46:34.440 our week, I would love it if we could understand 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.820 and see where we're feeling the redemptive blessings, 00:46:37.940 --> 00:46:40.380 where we're feeling redeemed, where we're feeling 00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:44.360 that it is because I'm aligning with Him that 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.179 I'm having a greater outpouring of the Spirit, 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.550 becoming a child, submissive, meek. humble, patient, 00:46:50.630 --> 00:46:53.530 full of love, willing to submit to all things 00:46:53.530 --> 00:46:56.590 with which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon 00:46:56.590 --> 00:46:59.849 me. I know that I can have greater peace, greater 00:46:59.849 --> 00:47:03.190 love, and I know that when that happens, dubbed 00:47:03.190 --> 00:47:06.010 the effects of the fall of Adam and Eve, all 00:47:06.010 --> 00:47:08.590 of them, the effects of the fall of Adam and 00:47:08.590 --> 00:47:11.789 Eve are kind of offset, set aside in my life 00:47:11.789 --> 00:47:14.710 and I have more joy and peace. So true. Just 00:47:14.710 --> 00:47:19.880 even reflecting on the willingness and that's 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:24.719 all we have that he doesn't is our agency. That 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:28.179 is the thing he has given to us freely is our 00:47:28.179 --> 00:47:31.019 agency and when we become willing I love in the 00:47:31.019 --> 00:47:35.900 sacrament prayer that they may be willing. I 00:47:35.900 --> 00:47:39.659 think that's such a powerful word and such an 00:47:39.659 --> 00:47:44.519 invitation to because You know, I'm not always 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.619 willing. That's not something that comes natural 00:47:47.619 --> 00:47:51.420 to me or probably anyone to the natural man, 00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:55.480 but that they may be willing to take upon them 00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:59.960 the name of thy son and always remember him and 00:47:59.960 --> 00:48:02.079 keep his commandments which they have given, 00:48:02.219 --> 00:48:05.219 which you have given them. I just, that sacrament 00:48:05.219 --> 00:48:08.969 prayer is such a powerhouse for me. Such a powerhouse. 00:48:09.550 --> 00:48:13.090 And I thank Heavenly Father every Sunday during 00:48:13.090 --> 00:48:16.190 the sacrament. Thank you for my agency so that 00:48:16.190 --> 00:48:20.690 I can choose to be willing. I'm so grateful. 00:48:20.909 --> 00:48:23.829 I'm so grateful for my willingness. I'm grateful 00:48:23.829 --> 00:48:26.590 for my agency so that I can choose willingness. 00:48:27.769 --> 00:48:32.449 I love that. This gives us a good kind of jumping 00:48:32.449 --> 00:48:36.530 -off spot Deb for the next at least next week's 00:48:36.530 --> 00:48:38.769 discussion as we talk more about the conditional 00:48:38.769 --> 00:48:40.489 effects of Christ's atonement But this really 00:48:40.489 --> 00:48:43.630 is where the main blessings the big blessings 00:48:43.630 --> 00:48:47.590 the blessings that we strive for that we Desire 00:48:47.590 --> 00:48:50.030 this is where they become available to us is 00:48:50.030 --> 00:48:55.059 in our aligning with him Right, you said the 00:48:55.059 --> 00:48:57.119 first three steps at the beginning of the podcast, 00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.679 you know And we the first three steps of alcoholics 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.559 anonymous We kind of summarize them and and I've 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:04.519 said this before we kind of summarize them this 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:08.039 way. I can't Right. That's the fall in my life. 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:10.619 There's just no way I can I can try all I want 00:49:10.619 --> 00:49:14.440 but I'm always gonna fall short and so I can't 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:18.500 He can This is where the relationship part is 00:49:18.500 --> 00:49:21.679 so important to understand him, to know him, 00:49:21.739 --> 00:49:24.139 to love him, to have a greater and deeper desire 00:49:24.139 --> 00:49:27.800 to be like him. And then finally three is that 00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:29.460 I'm going to let him, I'm going to turn my will 00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:32.920 to him. My agency. It's the hardest thing for 00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.159 me to give sometimes. We don't even own our breath. 00:49:35.699 --> 00:49:36.800 No, you're right. We read about that actually. 00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:40.300 We don't even own our own breath. Right. Like 00:49:40.300 --> 00:49:43.320 the clothes on our back, the shelter over our 00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:47.460 heads, the food we eat, everything. I mean, we 00:49:47.460 --> 00:49:51.019 are so powerless and the nothingness that we 00:49:51.019 --> 00:49:55.460 have. The only thing we have is our agency and 00:49:55.460 --> 00:49:58.059 our will. And I think that's why step one, two, 00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:01.219 three and hymn one, two, three is so powerful. 00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:04.119 And I would encourage our listeners to go read 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:08.460 that, the all four verses of that hymn. It is 00:50:08.460 --> 00:50:11.800 such a powerful message to me. O, may my soul 00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:15.980 commune with thee and find thy holy peace, because 00:50:15.980 --> 00:50:20.599 who on this planet does not want peace? I mean, 00:50:21.980 --> 00:50:26.260 man, if it just takes the agency to turn my will 00:50:26.260 --> 00:50:29.980 over, you know, I mean, we talk about the conditional, 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:33.000 the blessings of Christ's atonements are not 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.960 automatically applied, but are conditional upon 00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:40.110 our faith. our obedience and our alignment with 00:50:40.110 --> 00:50:45.570 his will. And that's exercising our agency. Did 00:50:45.570 --> 00:50:50.250 you read the whole song? No. How about if we 00:50:50.250 --> 00:50:54.190 end with, I just read the first four verses of 00:50:54.190 --> 00:50:56.590 that, the first four. I read the second and third. 00:50:56.590 --> 00:50:59.769 That is all the, yeah. Let me read all four verses 00:50:59.769 --> 00:51:04.079 of that song. Oh, may my soul commune with thee. 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:06.079 Let me read. I have a memorize. I'm telling you. 00:51:06.099 --> 00:51:08.760 Let me read all four verses. Oh, may my soul 00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:10.900 commune with thee. And as I'm doing so, here's 00:51:10.900 --> 00:51:13.579 another invitation. Just be thinking about that. 00:51:13.579 --> 00:51:16.099 Think about your your soul and communing with 00:51:16.099 --> 00:51:19.739 him and allowing him and not not so much worried 00:51:19.739 --> 00:51:22.139 about earning his love and not so much worried 00:51:22.139 --> 00:51:24.719 about earning his involvement in your life, but 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.480 just aligning with his will, just aligning with 00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:29.460 his love. Well, and back to that question of 00:51:29.460 --> 00:51:35.699 why we go to church to. Yeah. Okay. This is hymn 00:51:35.699 --> 00:51:39.599 123 in the hymn book from the Church of Jesus 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:43.179 Christ of Latter -day Saints. O may my soul commune 00:51:43.179 --> 00:51:46.800 with thee and find thy holy peace from worldly 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:51.420 care and pain of fear. Please bring me sweet 00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:55.960 release. O bless me when I worship thee to keep 00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:15.349 my heart in tune that I may hear thy still I 00:52:15.349 --> 00:52:29.010 love that. I love that we have a Heavenly Father 00:52:29.010 --> 00:52:32.119 that loves us. I love that we have a God that 00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:34.260 loves us so much that He was willing to give 00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:37.760 His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.119 in Him should not perish but have everlasting 00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:43.159 life. I'm so grateful that we have a Heavenly 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.300 Father that gave us His Son who said, come unto 00:52:46.300 --> 00:52:50.420 me, all ye that labor, and are heavy laden, and 00:52:50.420 --> 00:52:53.900 I will give you rest, for my yoke is easy, and 00:52:53.900 --> 00:52:56.650 my burden is light. Love all that. I love that 00:52:56.650 --> 00:52:59.329 we have a God who's bigger than any problem that 00:52:59.329 --> 00:53:02.530 we have, who loves us through any misunderstanding, 00:53:02.869 --> 00:53:06.730 who never is disappointed or uptight or anxious 00:53:06.730 --> 00:53:11.650 or worried about us. He loves us perfectly. He's 00:53:11.650 --> 00:53:15.110 given us the gift of His Son that allows us to 00:53:15.110 --> 00:53:18.210 have our Heavenly Father's love and work in our 00:53:18.210 --> 00:53:21.750 lives constantly. I still cannot imagine that 00:53:21.750 --> 00:53:26.460 amount of love. Well, so as we kind of wrap things 00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:29.179 up today Like we always do we just want to say 00:53:29.179 --> 00:53:32.420 that it doesn't matter where you are How you're 00:53:32.420 --> 00:53:34.760 feeling we just hope that you feel welcome here 00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:36.539 We hope that you'll keep coming back and being 00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:38.659 with us Jesus isn't waiting for you to clean 00:53:38.659 --> 00:53:41.800 everything up before you come to him He meets 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:45.239 us right in the middle of our mess and our brokenness. 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:48.019 That's where his grace shines brightest. So come 00:53:48.019 --> 00:53:52.260 as you are broken Hopeful questioning searching 00:53:52.260 --> 00:53:55.019 you truly are not alone and you're not supposed 00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:58.500 to do this alone Didn't mention this earlier, 00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:00.619 but I'm gonna mention it now We'd love to stay 00:54:00.619 --> 00:54:02.420 connected with you if you have any thoughts or 00:54:02.420 --> 00:54:05.840 questions stories Question I already said questions 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.340 stories anything along those lines. Please just 00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:10.960 send us an email You can do that at he redeems 00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:15.610 us at gmail .com And if this episode or any other 00:54:15.610 --> 00:54:17.309 episode touched your heart, we hope that you'll 00:54:17.309 --> 00:54:19.050 share it with someone you love and care about, 00:54:19.190 --> 00:54:21.570 a friend, a family member, anyone who could use 00:54:21.570 --> 00:54:24.190 a little bit more hope right now. You know, next 00:54:24.190 --> 00:54:26.190 week, we're going to continue this conversation 00:54:26.190 --> 00:54:28.949 around the conditional effects of Christ's Atonement, 00:54:29.150 --> 00:54:32.429 why they're so important, and how this is really 00:54:32.429 --> 00:54:35.710 where we begin to feel the redemption at work 00:54:35.710 --> 00:54:38.010 in our lives. And the beauty behind that redemption 00:54:38.010 --> 00:54:42.170 is unfathomable. I testify of that with every 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.380 Part of my being it's unfathomable. We just can't 00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:49.599 understand it and I'm grateful to know that today 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:53.440 He heals us. He lifts us. He transforms us. He 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.739 does it every day and he does it in our everyday 00:54:55.739 --> 00:54:58.860 lives Even when we're not watching Thanks for 00:54:58.860 --> 00:55:01.159 being with us and remember there's always hope 00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:04.380 through him because you have been redeemed through 00:55:04.380 --> 00:55:07.000 his blood Thanks for being with us. We'll see 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:07.920 you next time