WEBVTT 00:00:15.899 --> 00:00:19.359 Hey there everybody, welcome out to another episode 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:22.260 of Redeemed Through His Blood. Scott Durfey here, 00:00:22.300 --> 00:00:28.219 joined as always by... Me, Deb Durfey! Got you 00:00:28.219 --> 00:00:31.280 off guard, didn't I? Yes, you did. Yeah. I missed 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:34.679 getting you the cue on time. Hey, it's good to 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:37.259 be back with everybody. It's been a couple of 00:00:37.259 --> 00:00:39.619 weeks, I guess, to 10 days or something like 00:00:39.619 --> 00:00:41.859 that since we recorded last. So we had a little 00:00:41.859 --> 00:00:44.700 hiccup in between. We had a little hiccup. We're 00:00:44.700 --> 00:00:47.100 using it as an excuse, probably more than anything. 00:00:47.259 --> 00:00:49.219 I think we probably could have made it happen, 00:00:49.380 --> 00:00:54.070 but chose not to. So anyway, there you go. So 00:00:54.070 --> 00:00:55.990 tell them what the hiccup was, Scott. The hiccup 00:00:55.990 --> 00:01:00.450 is Scott had shoulder surgery. So, yeah, no big 00:01:00.450 --> 00:01:02.210 deal. Now you're on the now you're on the men's. 00:01:02.229 --> 00:01:04.349 It was a big deal. Yeah. Now we're just on the 00:01:04.349 --> 00:01:06.670 men's. Now we're on the men's. Well, you are. 00:01:06.890 --> 00:01:09.489 Yeah. So we apologize for not getting an episode 00:01:09.489 --> 00:01:12.209 out last week, but we do know that summers are 00:01:12.209 --> 00:01:15.359 busy and. you know, we're kind of hit and miss 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:18.239 on listenership during the summer as well. So 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:21.120 thanks for being patient with us. We'll get these 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:24.019 things out of the way so that as soon as the 00:01:24.019 --> 00:01:27.079 typical, I guess, traditional school year gets 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:28.760 back in session, I just don't know what that 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:30.859 is anymore for people all over the world, because 00:01:30.859 --> 00:01:32.819 that's where we're listening to, right? Some 00:01:32.819 --> 00:01:35.180 half year round school. Yeah, you just don't 00:01:35.180 --> 00:01:37.879 know. So what would traditionally be, you know, 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:41.480 in the fall time here is when People would be 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.040 going back to school will be much more consistent 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:49.480 as we move into that era Summer just is a fun 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:55.799 Exciting. Yeah eventful. Yeah playful We've done 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:59.620 some of that fun exciting playful stuff ourselves 00:01:59.620 --> 00:02:01.939 and we still have some to come So we're looking 00:02:01.939 --> 00:02:06.959 forward to a great summertime So, Deb, you know, 00:02:07.219 --> 00:02:09.180 we talk every week. I got a couple of things 00:02:09.180 --> 00:02:11.599 before we dive into the topic today that I want 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:15.180 to kind of run past you. So, we talk every week 00:02:15.180 --> 00:02:18.919 about when we're in institute. Let me kind of... 00:02:18.939 --> 00:02:23.419 Clarify. Preface. Yeah, preface. So at at Institute 00:02:23.419 --> 00:02:27.340 every Wednesday night in our our Institute students 00:02:27.340 --> 00:02:30.580 can attest to this. And it's been the case since 00:02:30.580 --> 00:02:33.020 we've been doing this almost five years now, 00:02:33.020 --> 00:02:34.900 I guess. Seems like I've been saying almost five 00:02:34.900 --> 00:02:37.699 years for almost five years. Yeah, we started 00:02:37.699 --> 00:02:41.199 at the end of 2020. OK, yeah. So going on five 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:46.139 years finally. But what we talk about in each 00:02:46.139 --> 00:02:50.659 one of those. classes at the end sometimes as 00:02:50.659 --> 00:02:54.669 a major. component to the class itself is we 00:02:54.669 --> 00:02:57.969 focus on what our sacrament experience was like. 00:02:58.330 --> 00:03:00.330 Yeah, you know, we don't get into any detail 00:03:00.330 --> 00:03:03.909 around inappropriate sacred personal experiences. 00:03:03.909 --> 00:03:07.030 But I think that focus just that drawing our 00:03:07.030 --> 00:03:09.949 attention collectively and individually, collectively 00:03:09.949 --> 00:03:14.469 as a class, kind of kind of when support and 00:03:14.469 --> 00:03:18.210 power to each other when we do it. But individually, 00:03:18.449 --> 00:03:21.969 especially. I just think that there can be some 00:03:21.969 --> 00:03:26.889 deep, deep, meaningful experience in our sacrament 00:03:26.889 --> 00:03:30.449 worship on Sunday. That's why I go to church. 00:03:30.830 --> 00:03:34.930 Yeah, me too. That's the most important thing 00:03:34.930 --> 00:03:38.129 we do in those two hours in that sacred time. 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:41.800 with the sacrament. It's interesting as the primary 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:45.120 president I talk to kids that are preparing for 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.120 baptism and I talk about what a sacred opportunity 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:51.680 is to renew those covenants every single week. 00:03:51.740 --> 00:03:53.360 I remember as an eight -year -old thinking I 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:56.020 just want to get in the font every week. I just 00:03:56.020 --> 00:03:58.039 want to go get rebaptized and get rebaptized 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.819 and I wish I would have really understood what 00:04:00.819 --> 00:04:05.819 that meant by partaking of the sacrament like 00:04:05.819 --> 00:04:09.539 I do now. I think my life would have been very, 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.879 okay, my life would have been drastically different. 00:04:12.939 --> 00:04:15.639 Well, it's different today. For sure, for sure. 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.980 Because of that reflection and understanding 00:04:18.980 --> 00:04:25.379 that maybe 10 minutes, 15 if we're lucky, is 00:04:25.379 --> 00:04:30.040 such a sacred, sacred time to commune and to 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:34.629 reflect and focus. and remember those sacred 00:04:34.629 --> 00:04:38.149 covenants from baptism to our temple covenants 00:04:38.149 --> 00:04:42.189 to the sealing power and all of the things that 00:04:42.189 --> 00:04:50.870 we so graciously receive from Him. About 15 minutes, 00:04:50.970 --> 00:04:53.810 so you think it takes 10 15 20 minutes, maybe 00:04:53.810 --> 00:04:56.470 at the most each I wish it was 20 I don't think 00:04:56.470 --> 00:04:58.810 it's ever 20 I think it's 10 at them and how 00:04:58.810 --> 00:05:01.209 many how many of those do we do a year? So we 00:05:01.209 --> 00:05:03.709 take out general conference twice So there's 00:05:03.709 --> 00:05:06.750 from 52 down state conference twice state conference 00:05:06.750 --> 00:05:09.769 twice and now we're from 50 to 48 and so let's 00:05:09.769 --> 00:05:13.230 just say 48 Right and so let's say we do I just 00:05:13.230 --> 00:05:15.310 did the math. It's kind of weird, but I just 00:05:15.310 --> 00:05:18.290 wondered what you were doing. Yeah I wasn't texting 00:05:18.290 --> 00:05:21.790 somebody I promise So I just did the math. Let 00:05:21.790 --> 00:05:23.730 me just make sure I did it right. So that's 15 00:05:23.730 --> 00:05:27.230 We'll call it 15 minutes. That's long to be concerned. 00:05:27.290 --> 00:05:29.750 I don't think it's 15 But well, maybe in some 00:05:29.750 --> 00:05:32.230 areas it's longer in some areas and maybe shorter 00:05:32.230 --> 00:05:35.009 depending on the size of the ward seven hundred 00:05:35.009 --> 00:05:40.579 and twenty minutes a year 720 minutes a year 00:05:40.579 --> 00:05:44.220 so how many think of 365 days of the year so 00:05:44.220 --> 00:05:51.730 365 and 700 times 24 hours times 60 minutes. 00:05:52.790 --> 00:05:55.129 There's a half a million, a little over a half 00:05:55.129 --> 00:05:58.269 a million minutes in a year. 500, there's a song 00:05:58.269 --> 00:06:03.610 about this. Oh, 525 ,600 minutes. That's a song. 00:06:03.850 --> 00:06:06.050 Oh, that's right. It's from a Broadway show. 00:06:06.329 --> 00:06:12.470 Yes. Yes. Yeah. OK. Anyway, 720 minutes. tops 00:06:12.470 --> 00:06:14.629 according to you if we do it 15 minutes. I'm 00:06:14.629 --> 00:06:16.730 thinking sometimes maybe 20, but even if we're 00:06:16.730 --> 00:06:18.910 a thousand minutes, even if we did a thousand 00:06:18.910 --> 00:06:21.930 minutes a year compared to the half a million 00:06:21.930 --> 00:06:23.850 minutes a year that we live in, do you think 00:06:23.850 --> 00:06:27.350 there's a little imbalance there? I know that 00:06:27.350 --> 00:06:30.790 that's a moment in time. I know that that is 00:06:30.790 --> 00:06:35.769 not the total sum of our worship of deity. I 00:06:35.769 --> 00:06:38.629 know that that's not the total sum of our experience 00:06:38.629 --> 00:06:40.949 of putting on the atonement of Jesus Christ or 00:06:40.949 --> 00:06:45.689 repenting. I know that that's an ongoing, daily, 00:06:46.370 --> 00:06:49.129 minute -by -minute, every breath -by -breath 00:06:49.129 --> 00:06:55.040 kind of process that we go through. But nonetheless, 00:06:55.379 --> 00:06:59.120 that seems like a little bit lopsided, 720 to 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:02.480 half a million. And I think to your point, that's 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.139 not the only time we really reflect. However, 00:07:05.339 --> 00:07:08.800 it's definitely those sacred minutes that we 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:12.939 get to commune with Him and remember our Savior 00:07:12.939 --> 00:07:16.680 Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. Sacred, very, 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:21.430 very sacred minutes. We went to a really... tender 00:07:21.430 --> 00:07:26.170 little sweet baptism for us this week. Little 00:07:26.170 --> 00:07:31.230 Lyndon and kind of a granddaughter of sorts, 00:07:31.410 --> 00:07:34.230 I guess. Oh, we've adopted her. Fast and furious. 00:07:34.990 --> 00:07:41.980 Definitely. to watch and be a part of that, to 00:07:41.980 --> 00:07:45.860 have that experience on that day. And we didn't 00:07:45.860 --> 00:07:47.920 just have it with her. We had it with her mom 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:50.680 and her dad and her two older sisters and with 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.120 each other and with their whole family that was 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.980 there. That was an experience that we all got 00:07:55.980 --> 00:08:00.100 to have together. we if we were aligned and I 00:08:00.100 --> 00:08:02.500 think probably most of us were I think luckily 00:08:02.500 --> 00:08:05.319 that day I was because I felt the spirit that 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.540 day and I know you did and I know so many of 00:08:07.540 --> 00:08:10.339 the rest of us did when it so for example when 00:08:10.339 --> 00:08:12.379 it's like that for me I have a really hard time 00:08:12.379 --> 00:08:17.180 keeping my eyes dry you shouldn't even try I 00:08:17.180 --> 00:08:19.639 think it's sweet. I blame my grandpa Fagan, but 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.759 it's just embarrassing sometimes. Is it really? 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:23.879 It really is. Do you really get embarrassed? 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:25.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I know that that's a sin 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:29.379 on my part. I even, somebody approached me the 00:08:29.379 --> 00:08:31.420 other day at the baptism and said, you're just 00:08:31.420 --> 00:08:34.179 like me, you're just, and she didn't say a crybaby, 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:36.600 but that's what she said, just a crybaby, right? 00:08:37.100 --> 00:08:40.100 And I said, oh, I know, and I know it's a sin. 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:44.320 but it's embarrassing to me sometimes. It's not 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:46.220 embarrassing enough that I'd walk away. It's 00:08:46.220 --> 00:08:48.480 not embarrassing enough that I would avoid and 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.740 those kinds of things. And she actually went 00:08:50.740 --> 00:08:53.600 on to tell me about a really important person 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.299 in her life who was also like that, but because 00:08:56.299 --> 00:08:59.440 of it, avoided coming to church and participating 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:04.440 in ordinances and so forth. So anyway, I don't 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:06.740 know why I just went down that rabbit hole, but. 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:13.159 The point here for me is I look back on little 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:17.620 Lyndon's baptism on Sunday and while I was partaking 00:09:17.620 --> 00:09:20.360 in the sacrament, mine's been a long time ago. 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:25.340 It's a distant memory physically, but it's a 00:09:25.340 --> 00:09:28.820 warm present memory in my heart and in my soul, 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:32.559 my own baptism that is, right? but to be there 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:36.240 and to stand in that circle with her daddy and 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:40.080 have our hands on her head, her head, and tell 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:45.399 her, receive the Holy Ghost, the gift of the 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:49.259 Holy Ghost, to receive it. He didn't say, sweetheart, 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:52.580 you gotta go earn this gift. He didn't say sweetheart. 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.860 You better go qualify by doing a whole bunch 00:09:54.860 --> 00:09:57.539 of hard stuff You know, you got to go develop 00:09:57.539 --> 00:10:00.500 certain habits. You got to go read certain books 00:10:00.500 --> 00:10:02.639 You got to go pray a certain number of times. 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:05.919 You got to go to the he didn't say that he said 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.399 Linden receive the Holy Ghost just receive it 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:15.059 baby. Just receive it That that that to me is 00:10:15.059 --> 00:10:19.340 huge it's powerful right now in my life I don't 00:10:19.340 --> 00:10:22.299 know why, but for some reason, and maybe it's 00:10:22.299 --> 00:10:25.740 from what we talked about two weeks ago when 00:10:25.740 --> 00:10:29.940 we were talking about this stuff, but we've been 00:10:29.940 --> 00:10:32.340 talking about the unconditional effects of the 00:10:32.340 --> 00:10:36.860 atonement of Jesus Christ in our lives. And those 00:10:36.860 --> 00:10:40.750 unconditional effects. And I've been very thoughtful 00:10:40.750 --> 00:10:44.250 of those, you know, very mindful. I've taken 00:10:44.250 --> 00:10:48.429 moments in deep prayer and reflection as part 00:10:48.429 --> 00:10:51.570 of my 11th step and Alcoholics Anonymous, you 00:10:51.570 --> 00:10:54.330 know, sought through prayer and meditation to 00:10:54.330 --> 00:10:57.570 maintain my conscious contact with Heavenly Father, 00:10:58.009 --> 00:11:00.450 praying always for a knowledge of His will for 00:11:00.450 --> 00:11:04.789 me and the power to carry it out, right? And 00:11:04.789 --> 00:11:07.690 as I'm having these experiences over the last 00:11:07.690 --> 00:11:11.169 10 days or so now, I'm realizing a lot of stuff 00:11:11.169 --> 00:11:14.929 about my relationship with deity. I'm realizing 00:11:14.929 --> 00:11:17.690 that, you know, Scott Durfee still runs in fear 00:11:17.690 --> 00:11:20.009 a lot. I'm realizing that Scott Durfee still 00:11:20.009 --> 00:11:22.990 has weapons of rebellion. I'm realizing that 00:11:22.990 --> 00:11:27.649 unless I stay absolutely, unless I make an effort 00:11:27.649 --> 00:11:30.769 to stay plugged in, it's easy for me to drift. 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.980 And I've drifted a little bit lately, Doug, spiritually. 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:37.059 Yeah, it's just been because I've been hurting. 00:11:37.580 --> 00:11:40.259 I've been, you know, kind of laid up. I haven't 00:11:40.259 --> 00:11:43.100 taken the time to dive into the scriptures. Not 00:11:43.100 --> 00:11:46.700 a lot. Not really until today, you know, and 00:11:46.700 --> 00:11:49.700 it was a big, ginormous difference once I did 00:11:49.700 --> 00:11:54.080 that today because I realized I realized that 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:57.419 what we say is true, that he meets us in our 00:11:57.419 --> 00:12:01.889 mess. He's not waiting for us to clean our act 00:12:01.889 --> 00:12:05.549 up. He's there waiting for me And when I say 00:12:05.549 --> 00:12:08.049 in my mess, I know there's people that may be 00:12:08.049 --> 00:12:10.009 potentially listening to the podcast right now 00:12:10.009 --> 00:12:12.710 saying, okay That's a mess. No, I got messes 00:12:12.710 --> 00:12:15.730 too. That's not really a mess. I get it But to 00:12:15.730 --> 00:12:19.250 me today it is a mess and he meets me there. 00:12:19.610 --> 00:12:23.529 Well and think about I mean that brokenness. 00:12:23.529 --> 00:12:27.029 I mean when you go in for surgery you're reliant 00:12:27.029 --> 00:12:29.269 heavily on the atonement of Jesus Christ for 00:12:29.269 --> 00:12:32.990 healing. I mean, we've talked about this before, 00:12:33.549 --> 00:12:38.350 but you have no control over how your body heals. 00:12:39.250 --> 00:12:41.490 I mean, I shouldn't say no control, but you can't 00:12:41.490 --> 00:12:45.409 tell it how to heal the bruising and you can't 00:12:45.409 --> 00:12:48.009 tell it how to connect the ligaments that that 00:12:48.009 --> 00:12:52.750 doctor went in to surgically connect. make sure 00:12:52.750 --> 00:12:55.370 that that bone spur doesn't grow back, that's 00:12:55.370 --> 00:12:58.669 not something in your control. But, you know, 00:12:58.710 --> 00:13:02.350 as we experience things in our life physically, 00:13:03.289 --> 00:13:06.830 you know, we have these messy things physically 00:13:06.830 --> 00:13:10.610 that I didn't even realize until I was recovering 00:13:10.610 --> 00:13:15.809 from an accident how much I depended, not even 00:13:15.809 --> 00:13:19.279 consciously. the atonement of Jesus Christ and 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:24.299 I think that's why at the end of the last podcast 00:13:24.299 --> 00:13:28.220 when I said what is the what is the atonement 00:13:28.220 --> 00:13:31.159 front running for me I mean I'm chasing healing 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:34.720 but it it it was already set in place it was 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:36.980 already there just like it was set in place for 00:13:36.980 --> 00:13:40.519 you in this last six days that you've recovered 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:43.200 you've been in recovery from from your surgery 00:13:43.419 --> 00:13:47.620 Now, that's a physical way of looking at it. 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.980 Now we also have spiritual and mental ways that 00:13:52.980 --> 00:13:56.960 we are healed from the atonement of Jesus Christ 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:02.360 that sometimes I don't even think about. I don't 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:05.039 even look forward to, I mean, I don't even look 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:09.460 at what has already been paid. When I think about 00:14:09.460 --> 00:14:11.740 that, it's a little overwhelming. Yeah, I get 00:14:11.740 --> 00:14:13.500 that. Do you have an example? Can you think of 00:14:13.500 --> 00:14:15.120 an example off the top of your head? Well, I 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:19.679 just think about, you know, my mom is aging. 00:14:20.750 --> 00:14:22.590 I know she's not going to be on the planet for 00:14:22.590 --> 00:14:24.529 10 more years, maybe 20 more years. I don't know 00:14:24.529 --> 00:14:27.769 how long she'll be here. And I just, she'll probably 00:14:27.769 --> 00:14:30.529 be here 25. I don't know. But I just think about 00:14:30.529 --> 00:14:32.509 the death of a loved one. I know what I felt 00:14:32.509 --> 00:14:35.450 when I went through that with my dad. And I just 00:14:35.450 --> 00:14:38.950 think he's already paid for that, that the atonement, 00:14:39.049 --> 00:14:41.129 that pain and sorrow and suffering and grief. 00:14:41.309 --> 00:14:43.769 And he has already paid for the mistakes that 00:14:43.769 --> 00:14:47.870 I will make in the future. He has already suffered 00:14:47.870 --> 00:14:52.460 and dropped drip drops of blood. for the things 00:14:52.460 --> 00:14:56.000 that have happened or that are going to happen 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:00.360 that again are front running for me, you know, 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.740 rather than chasing all this healing and pleading 00:15:03.740 --> 00:15:06.580 for, you know, forgiveness. But, you know, we 00:15:06.580 --> 00:15:09.600 often tell our Institute kids, we need to repent 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:14.700 from sinning, not repent from a sin. And that 00:15:14.700 --> 00:15:17.419 has changed me. That's, that's It's been a way 00:15:17.419 --> 00:15:20.639 that I have been able to literally say, Heavenly 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.480 Father, I'm carnal and devilish, just like Nephi, 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:29.299 a wretched woman that I am. That's already paid 00:15:29.299 --> 00:15:32.019 for. I would never refer to you as wretched. 00:15:34.019 --> 00:15:36.679 But I get the point. Very carnal, yes. And the 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:40.620 point's well taken. And well said, actually, 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:42.519 too, because this is what we deal with, babe. 00:15:43.049 --> 00:15:46.889 This is literally the things in this life that 00:15:46.889 --> 00:15:50.710 can become so confusing to us that we get a little 00:15:50.710 --> 00:15:55.169 misguided or we take a little misstep. And by 00:15:55.169 --> 00:15:59.590 so doing, then we allow the accuser to jump into 00:15:59.590 --> 00:16:02.950 our lives and begin, like he did in the pre -existence, 00:16:03.269 --> 00:16:06.090 accuse us before God both night and day. Yeah. 00:16:06.450 --> 00:16:10.289 And then tell us to hide. Yeah. You know, you 00:16:10.289 --> 00:16:13.799 better run. Yeah. I'm kind of glad that we get 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:17.139 to continue talking about this tonight. And this 00:16:17.139 --> 00:16:19.639 is one of the things, Deb, when we talk about 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:21.419 the effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ, 00:16:21.460 --> 00:16:23.799 this is why we're here. We're not gonna rush 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:27.480 through this. This is exactly why we're here. 00:16:27.700 --> 00:16:30.860 Now, I know that there's people who are concerned, 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:34.120 maybe concerned is a bit of a strong word, but 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:35.879 I'm gonna use it nonetheless. Maybe there are 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.820 those who are concerned about, okay, so now. 00:16:39.609 --> 00:16:42.750 We understand the events of the atonement. We 00:16:42.750 --> 00:16:44.929 understand why we have an atonement to offset 00:16:44.929 --> 00:16:47.590 the effects of the fall of Adam and Eve and to 00:16:47.590 --> 00:16:51.929 redeem us from the fall, right? And so we're 00:16:51.929 --> 00:16:54.690 talking about now what are some of the benefits 00:16:54.690 --> 00:16:57.830 that come to us by way of Christ's atonement 00:16:57.830 --> 00:17:00.570 from Jesus through his atonement. Remember, there's 00:17:00.570 --> 00:17:03.769 no power in the atonement itself. The power's 00:17:03.769 --> 00:17:06.509 in Jesus Christ and it's made available to us 00:17:06.509 --> 00:17:10.140 because of his atonement. And so now we're talking 00:17:10.140 --> 00:17:14.000 about what are the effects. And we spent the 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:17.700 entire last podcast talking about effects of 00:17:17.700 --> 00:17:21.099 Christ's Atonement that are absolutely unconditional. 00:17:21.819 --> 00:17:25.339 We do nothing. to earn them. I might argue we 00:17:25.339 --> 00:17:27.779 do nothing to earn the conditional effects, but 00:17:27.779 --> 00:17:34.559 that's a conversation for another day. But I 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:36.500 want you to be thinking about that. You know, 00:17:36.500 --> 00:17:41.519 we don't even earn the conditional effects of 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.700 Christ. We don't earn them. We cannot earn them. 00:17:44.900 --> 00:17:46.799 So put that in the back of your mind until we 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:49.559 get to it. We're going to be talking. a lot about 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.519 that over the next several podcasts. So let's 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:55.059 just kind of do a real quick recap, Deb. What 00:17:55.059 --> 00:17:58.440 are some of the unconditional, we'll just do 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:00.720 this quickly so that we can put us back in the 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:04.099 mindset, but what are some of the unconditional 00:18:04.099 --> 00:18:08.200 effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ? The 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:10.299 first one we talked about was the salvation of 00:18:10.299 --> 00:18:14.019 children, right? And if you remember, we talked 00:18:14.019 --> 00:18:17.769 about how Because of this doctrine alone, the 00:18:17.769 --> 00:18:20.430 celestial kingdom will be the most populated 00:18:20.430 --> 00:18:24.009 kingdom in heaven. Because children who died 00:18:24.009 --> 00:18:26.750 before the age of eight and prior to 18 -something, 00:18:26.930 --> 00:18:29.630 I think it was 1860, it may have been even later 00:18:29.630 --> 00:18:32.609 than that, mortality rate on children was right 00:18:32.609 --> 00:18:35.670 around 50 % from the beginning of time until 00:18:35.670 --> 00:18:38.089 then. And that right at about that time is kind 00:18:38.089 --> 00:18:42.329 of the onset of modern medicine. And it changed 00:18:42.329 --> 00:18:46.160 a bit, but. But those children who died before 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:50.460 the age of accountability, those children who 00:18:50.460 --> 00:18:52.940 died before the age of accountability without 00:18:52.940 --> 00:18:55.980 having the opportunity to be baptized or enter 00:18:55.980 --> 00:18:59.519 into that covenant relationship are saved. Yeah. 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:01.920 By no merit of their own. Right. Of course, none 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:04.240 of us are saved by any merit of our own, but 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.839 by no merit of their own. Right. OK. You know 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:10.059 what? One thing that I have been reflecting a 00:19:10.059 --> 00:19:14.450 lot on is that age eight. I was hoping you'd 00:19:14.450 --> 00:19:18.390 bring this up. Yeah, because I've often thought, 00:19:18.890 --> 00:19:21.849 why eight? I mean, because I talk to a lot of 00:19:21.849 --> 00:19:23.450 people that say, you know, my eight year old 00:19:23.450 --> 00:19:26.569 has no idea the covenants they're making. And, 00:19:26.589 --> 00:19:29.490 you know, some of them are correct. Some of them 00:19:29.490 --> 00:19:32.470 are like, yeah, you're right. But, you know, 00:19:32.470 --> 00:19:35.029 I look back to when I was eight, I didn't know 00:19:35.029 --> 00:19:38.000 what covenants I was making. But one thing that 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.940 I have studied and I have prayed and I have had 00:19:40.940 --> 00:19:44.079 that revelation come to me is that the age of 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:49.119 eight these little children have the ability 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:53.240 to feel the Holy Ghost and I think that's why 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:58.680 when I get emotional When we hear those words 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:03.650 in that confirmation prayer to receive the Holy 00:20:03.650 --> 00:20:08.210 Ghost. That's when we introduce the Spirit to 00:20:08.210 --> 00:20:10.210 these children and they're accountable to feel 00:20:10.210 --> 00:20:15.170 that. And I love how our primary chorister always 00:20:15.170 --> 00:20:18.910 helps those kids realize, can you feel that? 00:20:19.509 --> 00:20:22.910 Can you feel what that, I mean, by singing these 00:20:22.910 --> 00:20:25.769 songs and by, you know, even listening to some 00:20:25.769 --> 00:20:29.970 of these small children testify that they love 00:20:29.970 --> 00:20:34.089 Jesus. If every ward could have a primary chorister 00:20:34.089 --> 00:20:38.910 like Jen Downey, I think the church even would 00:20:38.910 --> 00:20:42.170 be to her place. You know those kids just they 00:20:42.170 --> 00:20:46.329 love to sing and her the way she testifies each 00:20:46.329 --> 00:20:50.960 week is so sacred and so pure. It penetrates 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:54.319 my heart, the fleshy tables of my heart. And 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:57.119 I just think, I hope these kids are feeling this 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:00.079 spirit. I hope they're feeling the spirit of 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.059 the Holy Ghost and these sunbeams and the four 00:21:03.059 --> 00:21:05.400 and five year olds and the six year olds that 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:09.039 are practicing when they get to that age of accountability 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:12.660 and they get to receive that gift. I told Lyndon 00:21:12.660 --> 00:21:15.140 when I saw her on Saturday, I said, this is the 00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:19.259 most literally. the most priceless, precious 00:21:19.259 --> 00:21:22.339 gift you will ever, ever receive. And you will 00:21:22.339 --> 00:21:26.099 never forget this. The most priceless gift. The 00:21:26.099 --> 00:21:28.160 gift of the Holy Ghost. The gift of the Holy 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:32.059 Ghost. Right. Yeah. Okay, sorry, we went. No, 00:21:32.059 --> 00:21:36.039 that's okay. I love that because that's so important. 00:21:36.259 --> 00:21:39.500 And again, that doctrine is so important. It's 00:21:39.500 --> 00:21:42.500 new to the Restoration. That doctrine is new 00:21:42.500 --> 00:21:44.660 to the Restoration. David used to always say 00:21:44.660 --> 00:21:50.099 that The cost of the blood of a prophet was worth 00:21:50.099 --> 00:21:54.019 that doctrine. And it's true. Well, and it's 00:21:54.019 --> 00:21:59.960 got to bring peace to so many families. Oh, so 00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:04.740 many within our own family. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So 00:22:04.740 --> 00:22:07.809 much peace. Yeah. Those who die without the law 00:22:07.809 --> 00:22:12.130 are also unconditionally covered by Christ's 00:22:12.130 --> 00:22:14.609 atonement. We read a couple of scriptures, one 00:22:14.609 --> 00:22:17.950 in Mosiah and another one in 2 Nephi 9, where 00:22:17.950 --> 00:22:22.470 we talked about how the gospel of Jesus Christ, 00:22:23.190 --> 00:22:26.849 the good news of the resurrection and the atonement 00:22:26.849 --> 00:22:29.609 of Jesus Christ, how all of that is available 00:22:29.609 --> 00:22:33.089 for the choosing. They have to choose. It's not 00:22:33.089 --> 00:22:36.279 forced on anybody. But salvation is free and 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:39.940 it's free without condition to those who died 00:22:39.940 --> 00:22:45.140 without the law. Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot of 00:22:45.140 --> 00:22:49.180 grace and a lot of mercy. A lot. Yeah. Yeah. 00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:51.920 And again, that one alone, we could spend an 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:54.319 entire podcast, but we're just doing a little 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:58.380 recap here. The next one. Yeah. Go ahead. Did 00:22:58.380 --> 00:22:59.500 you have something else you want to say? No, 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:03.400 go ahead. The next one was that we are all every 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:05.779 single human that walks this planet that ever 00:23:05.779 --> 00:23:10.400 has been will or is or will Are touched by the 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:13.339 fall affected by the fall. Yeah, and the atonement 00:23:13.339 --> 00:23:15.900 of Jesus Christ You can't be touched by one without 00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:18.759 being touched by the other. Can you yeah and 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:23.150 the fact that we know that we all come with the 00:23:23.150 --> 00:23:25.049 light of Christ within us. You hold an infant, 00:23:25.049 --> 00:23:29.170 you know that. It's a given. And then these little 00:23:29.170 --> 00:23:32.490 children, I have to tell this really fast story. 00:23:32.809 --> 00:23:35.849 I was talking to a lady and she was, actually 00:23:35.849 --> 00:23:38.369 my chiropractor's assistant, and she was telling 00:23:38.369 --> 00:23:40.690 me, do you ever go to carnivals and stuff and 00:23:40.690 --> 00:23:42.470 you see people walking around with dogs and just 00:23:42.470 --> 00:23:44.869 wish they would come and just give you a dog? 00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:48.799 And I was like, no, absolutely not. I do not 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:52.500 want a dog. She barely loves our dog. I don't 00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:55.640 hate dogs. I just don't love them. I just don't 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:57.940 love them like people do. But then I thought 00:23:57.940 --> 00:24:01.980 I look at children that way. Little tiny children, 00:24:02.140 --> 00:24:04.359 like when you're carrying a baby or pushing a 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:07.720 stroller. I literally think. could you just give 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:10.740 me your baby? Can I just have that baby? I do 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:15.140 think that. So I think my love for small humans 00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:19.660 is very, I mean, I realize they grow up, but. 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:22.279 I literally, there are times when I see babies 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:24.000 that I'm like, can you just give me that baby? 00:24:24.740 --> 00:24:26.960 I just want to... You still love them when they 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:28.519 grow up though. I've seen this. I do love them. 00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:31.839 I've seen this process for 23 years in our own, 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:34.579 in this very ward. Those little kids that were 00:24:34.579 --> 00:24:37.119 in primary when we first moved here love you. 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.859 The thing about it is Deb, and this is something 00:24:40.859 --> 00:24:44.640 that I think is an attribute that's a gift that 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:47.539 can help others. And I'm just, my grandma was 00:24:47.539 --> 00:24:49.480 this way for me. I've talked about my... Grandma 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:52.059 Durfee being this way for me, allowed me to feel 00:24:52.059 --> 00:24:56.059 the spirit through her. I don't wanna get too 00:24:56.059 --> 00:24:58.680 far off here, but I do wanna share this story. 00:24:59.019 --> 00:25:02.940 We have a son who has gone through a divorce, 00:25:03.059 --> 00:25:05.900 he's recovering, he's doing quite well in terms 00:25:05.900 --> 00:25:08.880 of recovery. He got two years sober, right? Something 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.359 like that, fairly recently. And just doing a 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:14.160 great job with his boys and everything else, 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:17.539 but he's had some struggle. with relationships 00:25:17.539 --> 00:25:21.640 and I mean since his divorce and I laugh because 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:25.339 it's kind of been like a mirror for me back then. 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.660 He laughs so you don't cry. I got sober about 00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:30.039 the same time he got sober you know so many other 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.319 things aligned but one of the cute things that 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.700 and this is a about you, which is also about 00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:41.279 a reflection of Jesus Christ in our lives, your 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.559 life specifically. But Rocco came. But but his 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:47.599 youngest boy came home the other day after they 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:50.339 had met a new girl that he's been hanging out 00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:52.079 with, a girl that he went to high school with, 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:53.740 actually. And they've just kind of reconnected 00:25:53.740 --> 00:25:58.579 as friends. And and he said to her. Called her 00:25:58.579 --> 00:26:00.480 by name and said, hey, could you you know, this 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.779 little guy's seven. He said, could you be my 00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:10.789 stepmom? And he told me, or what his older brother 00:26:10.789 --> 00:26:13.910 actually told me the day before, I asked, do 00:26:13.910 --> 00:26:16.630 you guys like this girl? And they said, oh man, 00:26:16.630 --> 00:26:22.269 we love her. She's just like Grammy. Except she's 00:26:22.269 --> 00:26:24.630 a younger version. Yeah, well, whatever. But 00:26:24.630 --> 00:26:28.609 what they get is what they feel. And this is 00:26:28.609 --> 00:26:32.750 kind of, I think, a way that Heavenly Father 00:26:32.750 --> 00:26:35.720 allows us to fill his. His love is through other 00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:38.180 people. I don't know how I got on that, but I 00:26:38.180 --> 00:26:41.519 just love those kids. They're pretty great. It's 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:43.079 because I want people to give me their babies 00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.099 like some people want. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's 00:26:45.099 --> 00:26:47.960 what it was. That's what it was. Yeah. So be 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:51.220 in touch by the fall in the atoll and the atoll. 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:54.559 Yeah. And then and then we just kind of ended 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:58.819 there this week. I want to take off. Right. And 00:26:58.819 --> 00:27:01.539 I'm glad that we took the time to recapture all 00:27:01.539 --> 00:27:04.819 of that. But we've got in the time that we have 00:27:04.819 --> 00:27:09.759 left, I want to conclude with the effects, the 00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:13.299 unconditional effects of the atonement of Jesus 00:27:13.299 --> 00:27:14.940 Christ. There are conditional effects, and we're 00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:18.200 going to get into those. But there are unconditional 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.380 effects. And to me, some of the unconditional 00:27:20.380 --> 00:27:22.529 effects are some of the most beautiful. Isn't 00:27:22.529 --> 00:27:24.349 that what we just talked about is the unconditional 00:27:24.349 --> 00:27:25.970 effects? Then we're going to continue down that 00:27:25.970 --> 00:27:33.569 because there's still more. Let me do this. I 00:27:33.569 --> 00:27:37.130 know that so many of us, and I've been one of 00:27:37.130 --> 00:27:41.069 those. that worry about people in our family, 00:27:41.450 --> 00:27:45.049 worry about other people that we know, are just 00:27:45.049 --> 00:27:49.109 concerned about whether or not the atonement 00:27:49.109 --> 00:27:52.210 of Jesus Christ is going to be effective in their 00:27:52.210 --> 00:27:54.150 lives. Now we understand that there's a lot of 00:27:54.150 --> 00:27:56.190 choosing that has to take place. We understand 00:27:56.190 --> 00:27:58.849 that there's qualifying that has to take place, 00:27:58.950 --> 00:28:04.289 et cetera, but we also know that there is a huge 00:28:04.289 --> 00:28:08.170 difference between conditions and temptations, 00:28:08.430 --> 00:28:12.670 Deb. Conditions and temptations. Do you wanna 00:28:12.670 --> 00:28:16.410 try it? You wanna tackle it? Personally, I think 00:28:16.410 --> 00:28:20.059 that conditions are... um, situations that we're 00:28:20.059 --> 00:28:24.339 born into or situations, um, conditions that, 00:28:24.339 --> 00:28:29.559 um, happen to us. Like for instance, abuse or, 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:35.700 um, adultery or addiction or, um, any of, any 00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:38.440 of those kinds of things, poverty. And, um, I 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:42.099 mean, I, I look at kids that children, babies 00:28:42.099 --> 00:28:45.660 that are born to inmates in the prison or that 00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:50.440 are born to, uh, a mother that has addiction 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:57.319 that, you know, that's a condition. And then 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:02.119 the temptation is basically an internal, that's 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.559 the things that I personally am tempted with. 00:29:05.180 --> 00:29:08.779 So you could look at it as here's the condition. 00:29:08.900 --> 00:29:11.759 I mean, look at third world countries, you know, 00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:16.420 maybe North Korea. I mean, there's just some 00:29:16.420 --> 00:29:21.490 places that you know, they, they did not, they, 00:29:21.529 --> 00:29:23.170 maybe they chose it, but I don't think they chose 00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:26.069 that. And some of these children that are so 00:29:26.069 --> 00:29:29.450 violently abused, um, physically and sexually 00:29:29.450 --> 00:29:32.430 and, you know, this human trafficking, I mean, 00:29:32.569 --> 00:29:36.769 it just gut wrenches me. And I think that's a 00:29:36.769 --> 00:29:40.390 really, that's, I think that's one of the things 00:29:40.390 --> 00:29:44.470 that brings me the most peace is knowing that 00:29:44.470 --> 00:29:49.259 he saved them. that he has them. Because it is 00:29:49.259 --> 00:29:52.400 excruciating for me to even think about. It just 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:56.339 grieves me so heavily that any child or infant 00:29:56.339 --> 00:29:59.480 or person, human, would have to go through so 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:05.759 much abuse or grief or sorrow of any sort. It 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.960 just is so heavy to watch. So to me that's the 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:13.509 conditions. then the temptations again are are 00:30:13.509 --> 00:30:16.309 the things that I choose you know I'm tempted 00:30:16.309 --> 00:30:19.809 to make a wrong choice or say a bad word or you 00:30:19.809 --> 00:30:24.009 know gossip or or whatever you know judge somebody 00:30:24.009 --> 00:30:27.309 those are those are my temptations I don't want 00:30:27.309 --> 00:30:30.690 to get too granular in this and I know it can 00:30:30.690 --> 00:30:34.910 be a matter of semantics and it can get semi 00:30:34.910 --> 00:30:39.480 complicated but I think that when it comes to 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.440 be the difference between conditions and temptations, 00:30:42.980 --> 00:30:45.420 I think conditions can look like temptations. 00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.700 And I think that sometimes because of the conditions 00:30:48.700 --> 00:30:52.359 that we have been subjected to or that we have 00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.779 adapted to because of the conditions that we 00:30:54.779 --> 00:30:57.880 have adapted to or become a part of us, that 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.200 sometimes what we do can look like sin and maybe 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:06.400 indeed is sin, but... Because of the conditions 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.460 because of how we were raised or because of how 00:31:09.460 --> 00:31:13.880 we were a million other things Maybe that can 00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:16.140 be a condition. So for example, I was gonna say 00:31:16.140 --> 00:31:18.880 give me yeah So so for example, it's really easy 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.720 for some of us to be super judgmental about our 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.940 kids It just is. It's easy to say when so -and 00:31:25.940 --> 00:31:27.660 -so doesn't want to get up and go to church, 00:31:28.099 --> 00:31:30.039 I wish it was that easy for us, but when so -and 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:31.559 -so doesn't want to get up and put on his white 00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:33.519 shirt and go to church and pass the sacrament, 00:31:34.019 --> 00:31:37.500 he goes kicking and screaming. We look at that 00:31:37.500 --> 00:31:42.160 kid and we think he knows better. or a million 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.019 other examples. A kid comes home and he's made 00:31:45.019 --> 00:31:49.140 a mistake, and I can come up with a million different 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:51.619 stories and examples, but they don't matter. 00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:53.500 But he's made a mistake, and because of that 00:31:53.500 --> 00:31:55.920 mistake, there's been consequences laid before 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.779 him, et cetera. It's often easy as a parent to 00:31:58.779 --> 00:32:02.339 think, he knows better. And if I'm your friend 00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:05.259 and you say that to me, he knows better, I'll 00:32:05.259 --> 00:32:08.059 say, how do you know he knows better? Then it's 00:32:08.059 --> 00:32:10.880 easily to reply to that because I raised him. 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.880 I know my kid We don't know our kids like that 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:19.220 We think we do but sometimes Because of millions 00:32:19.220 --> 00:32:22.240 of reasons some of those we may be a part of 00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:24.900 some of those we may not be a part of But people 00:32:24.900 --> 00:32:28.000 in our lives and around us and indeed even ourselves 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.059 are subject to conditions That may look like 00:32:31.059 --> 00:32:34.140 temptations and flaws to other people, but maybe 00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:39.109 they're not maybe they're conditions In Doctrine 00:32:39.109 --> 00:32:42.809 and Covenants this so I I remember having a fact 00:32:42.809 --> 00:32:44.710 I remember where I was standing this would have 00:32:44.710 --> 00:32:47.349 been probably this was before you and I were 00:32:47.349 --> 00:32:51.250 together And I was I think I was maybe barely 00:32:51.250 --> 00:32:54.089 sober. I may not have been But I was worried 00:32:54.089 --> 00:32:56.769 about my kids Yeah, you know I had done them 00:32:56.769 --> 00:32:59.930 wrong. I and I still it's easy for me to still 00:32:59.930 --> 00:33:02.529 slip down this slope But I had done them wrong. 00:33:02.529 --> 00:33:05.150 I didn't teach him. I didn't do family night 00:33:05.150 --> 00:33:09.329 with them consistently I didn't In my mind pick 00:33:09.329 --> 00:33:12.130 the right mom for them and a whole bunch of other 00:33:12.130 --> 00:33:15.369 things, right? And so it's super easy for me 00:33:15.369 --> 00:33:18.650 to blame myself and to blame them because you 00:33:18.650 --> 00:33:21.369 know I did make an effort and when I I don't 00:33:21.369 --> 00:33:23.630 know what it is in me But I feel like that that 00:33:23.630 --> 00:33:26.359 skill needs to be back that there needs to be 00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.259 blame cast either I take it or they take it. 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.880 And I think that's pretty human. I think that's 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.160 a pretty fallen experience is somebody better 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.160 be taking this blame and if it ain't me it better 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:39.519 be them and if it ain't them then I think it'll 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:41.660 be me and I'll use it to beat myself up with. 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.220 But in Doctrine and Covenants section 46 verse 00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:47.400 15 I was telling you I called David one day he 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:49.400 was still living in Minnesota. So that tells 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:51.839 you how long ago it was. And I called him one 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:53.900 day and I was worried about my kids. We were 00:33:53.900 --> 00:33:56.759 married. Were we? I remember this. I had done 00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.680 them wrong and I just couldn't get past it. I 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.940 knew that I was going to pay eternally. Now there's 00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:04.880 still consequences and there's still all those 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.559 things, but I knew that I would pay for that 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.199 sin personally. But when I talked to David, he 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.239 shared this scripture with me and he's been reminding 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.239 me of it ever since, you know, probably 20 years. 00:34:17.060 --> 00:34:20.059 I do remember that. Probably 20 years, but here 00:34:20.059 --> 00:34:25.739 it is. So this is section, rather, 46, verse 00:34:25.739 --> 00:34:30.579 15. To some, it is given by the Holy Ghost. That's 00:34:30.579 --> 00:34:34.079 important, that's key. By the Holy Ghost. By 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.079 the Holy Ghost. To some, it is given by the Holy 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.719 Ghost to know the differences of administration. 00:34:41.260 --> 00:34:45.079 as it will be pleasing unto the same Lord, according 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:48.719 as the Lord will." And so in other words, the 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:52.000 Lord's gonna do, he's gonna take a look at this 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.739 and he's going to do it based on his sight, according 00:34:55.739 --> 00:34:58.619 to his view, according to his perspective, et 00:34:58.619 --> 00:35:02.320 cetera. And then it goes on, according as the 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:07.650 Lord will. Suiting his mercies, suiting his mercies 00:35:07.650 --> 00:35:10.449 so that sounds like to me that maybe his mercy 00:35:10.449 --> 00:35:13.050 might be different for one person over another 00:35:13.050 --> 00:35:16.090 or I shouldn't say over but but next to another 00:35:16.090 --> 00:35:18.210 that there may be different mercies depending 00:35:18.210 --> 00:35:22.190 on what depending on the conditions of man right 00:35:22.190 --> 00:35:26.190 mercies according to the conditions of the children 00:35:26.190 --> 00:35:29.409 of men says it right there black and white if 00:35:29.409 --> 00:35:33.159 that isn't one of the most beautiful unconditional 00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:35.699 effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ of, 00:35:35.860 --> 00:35:41.940 I don't know what is. To just like, I feel relief 00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:45.059 from that. And not just for because of my own 00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:47.280 life, I feel relief from that because of my kids' 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:50.019 lives and other people that I love. Well, and 00:35:50.019 --> 00:35:52.199 you hear this all the time, but they were his 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.519 first. Right, right, right, right. You know, 00:35:54.619 --> 00:35:57.980 and that's often something that I need to remember 00:35:57.980 --> 00:36:03.780 is. They were his kids first. He just entrusted 00:36:03.780 --> 00:36:08.380 me here with them. He's got them. He's got them 00:36:08.380 --> 00:36:11.460 bigger than I've got them. I think I can do all 00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:15.719 this goodness or this whatever to help them and 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:17.699 oh boy, does he do a much better job. Aren't 00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:19.920 you glad to know that? Yeah, I think that's why 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:21.719 they only give us 18 years. Yeah, they're like 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:23.699 you couldn't you have 18 years to screw them 00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:26.239 up and then I'll Take it from here. Yeah. No, 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:30.000 I'm just kidding. Yeah, maybe a little bit But 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.860 but I see this doctrine, you know, it's really 00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:35.360 kind of having two major benefits one and it 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.559 probably has many others, too But one of the 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.280 major benefits of this doctrine of the unconditional 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.500 effects of Jesus Christ in that he will suit 00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:45.980 his mercies according to the conditions of men 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:51.239 is that it can absolutely help unburden parents 00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.699 from the guilt that we feel. And when I say we, 00:36:54.739 --> 00:36:59.179 I mean me. The guilt that we feel because of 00:36:59.179 --> 00:37:02.739 the mistakes, the sins of omission and the sins 00:37:02.739 --> 00:37:07.190 even of commission and all of that. I have a 00:37:07.190 --> 00:37:10.530 tendency to, you know, to blame myself because 00:37:10.530 --> 00:37:13.409 I didn't know what it was like to be raised by 00:37:13.409 --> 00:37:16.230 divorced parents, but my kids do and the guilt 00:37:16.230 --> 00:37:18.570 that goes with that. But I'm like, but I still 00:37:18.570 --> 00:37:21.110 made my, I still exercised my agency and I made 00:37:21.110 --> 00:37:24.070 my choices that were not ideal to my parents 00:37:24.070 --> 00:37:26.869 that are still married. You know, I think we 00:37:26.869 --> 00:37:29.610 just have this tendency to, you know, push blame, 00:37:29.730 --> 00:37:31.650 but where does that blame, literally, where does 00:37:31.650 --> 00:37:34.090 that come from? I mean, we know that's the accuser. 00:37:34.539 --> 00:37:37.300 He's like, see, told ya. You gotta hide, you 00:37:37.300 --> 00:37:42.800 screwed up. Big fat mistake, hide. He's alive 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.440 in our lives, for sure. We just have to have 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.840 the eyes to see and recognize. All right, let's 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:55.610 kind of move into a different... This is so this 00:37:55.610 --> 00:37:58.309 is effect number ten. I think it's important. 00:37:58.389 --> 00:38:00.690 Can I just back up for just a second? I think 00:38:00.690 --> 00:38:03.670 you know while we're we're offering mercy to 00:38:03.670 --> 00:38:09.929 our children and offering mercy to This the situation. 00:38:09.929 --> 00:38:11.670 I think we need to be a little more merciful 00:38:11.670 --> 00:38:15.630 with ourselves I think oftentimes we're our worst 00:38:15.630 --> 00:38:19.530 critic and we pick up a stick and start hammering 00:38:19.530 --> 00:38:22.130 the crap out of ourselves by you should have 00:38:22.130 --> 00:38:26.050 you did a la la la you know and Gosh, if any 00:38:26.050 --> 00:38:28.610 human being talked to me the way I talk to me, 00:38:28.610 --> 00:38:32.250 I would not be their friend. I would be like, 00:38:32.250 --> 00:38:36.210 I am out. But it's, you know, I think we need 00:38:36.210 --> 00:38:40.050 to, you know, push that mercy and allow him to, 00:38:40.050 --> 00:38:44.010 you know, touch our hearts. And by so doing, 00:38:44.150 --> 00:38:46.769 be a better friend to yourself, apparently. Yes, 00:38:47.250 --> 00:38:50.280 be gentle with ourselves. Yeah, no kidding. No 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.320 kidding. OK, we can move on. Well, that's a hard 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.380 one. And I really think that this is one that 00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:59.219 is going to be maybe a bit of a universal sin, 00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:02.300 a universal challenge, let's put it that way, 00:39:02.619 --> 00:39:05.380 is I think we're just by nature, it's easy for 00:39:05.380 --> 00:39:07.719 us to be hard on ourselves. And in an upcoming 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:09.480 podcast, I actually want to talk about this, 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:13.719 but I think that in a. in a religion or in a 00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:17.860 faith where scrupulosity can become the norm 00:39:17.860 --> 00:39:21.659 or can become the measuring stick by which we 00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:24.880 Determine our spiritual success and that can 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.119 happen pressure that can happen And when that 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.000 happens that that makes these things difficult, 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.840 especially that needing to offer ourselves mercy 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.420 Well, you did it yourself. You didn't have family 00:39:38.420 --> 00:39:40.960 home evening. That was a that was a check mark. 00:39:41.179 --> 00:39:44.239 Yeah. You know, it wasn't did you have I mean, 00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:46.280 I look at times when we had family home evening 00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:48.340 and my mom used to always tease. This is the 00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:50.599 only fight that we we had family home. We get 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.760 in close with prayer. Yeah, that's true. We had 00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.340 family home. I mean, as a kid, which indicts 00:39:56.340 --> 00:39:59.500 me even further. Right. Because I was taught 00:39:59.500 --> 00:40:01.340 right. Yeah. But don't you think that's kind 00:40:01.340 --> 00:40:03.659 of scrupulosity? It is totally scrupulosity. 00:40:03.739 --> 00:40:07.900 That's my point. Yeah. And And it's not only 00:40:07.900 --> 00:40:11.780 scrupulosity, and I not only know it, I still 00:40:11.780 --> 00:40:14.619 subscribe to it, sometimes, knowing it, knowing 00:40:14.619 --> 00:40:17.380 that I'm subscribing to it, erroneously, sometimes. 00:40:17.500 --> 00:40:19.599 You know what I mean? Sometimes, always. It's 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.340 dumb. Just kidding. It's just dumb. But it is 00:40:22.340 --> 00:40:25.599 the case. Oh, gosh. It's just the case. We are 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.840 so fallen. One of the great blessings that come 00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:32.059 by way of Christ's Atonement, one of the great... 00:40:33.050 --> 00:40:35.610 unconditional effects that come by way of Christ's 00:40:35.610 --> 00:40:38.309 atonement is how that the atonement of Jesus 00:40:38.309 --> 00:40:41.909 Christ covers iniquity, not just iniquity, not 00:40:41.909 --> 00:40:46.750 just sin, but inequality. Not just iniquity, 00:40:47.150 --> 00:40:50.250 but also inequality. And these are when, you 00:40:50.250 --> 00:40:52.550 know, I think over the last couple of episodes, 00:40:52.690 --> 00:40:54.789 we may have mentioned some of the blessings that 00:40:54.789 --> 00:40:56.929 come by way of Christ's atonement. And I'm just 00:40:56.929 --> 00:40:58.590 going to recap them. They're the redemption. 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.360 blessings, the redemptive blessings. They're 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.940 the enabling or strengthening, so one and the 00:41:03.940 --> 00:41:06.239 same enabling and strengthening. And then the 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.599 third one, which the apostles and prophets have 00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.940 been talking about in recent decades more and 00:41:10.940 --> 00:41:13.820 more and more, are the compensatory blessings 00:41:13.820 --> 00:41:16.619 that come by way of Christ's Atonement. And some 00:41:16.619 --> 00:41:19.800 of those, we can go look it up, but some of those 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.239 apostles and prophets that have really, really 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.920 talked a lot about it is Elder Bednar, Elder 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.360 Cook, Elder Christopherson, and this one won't 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:32.460 surprise you, Deb. Elder Scott Elder Scott has 00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:35.059 a just a beautiful experience. We have a friend 00:41:35.059 --> 00:41:40.739 that we did a podcast with Scott Who maybe we 00:41:40.739 --> 00:41:43.840 should play that again at some point but he had 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:48.000 said he was in prison got he spent six or eight 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.860 maybe more years in prison and he got to meet 00:41:50.860 --> 00:41:54.880 Elder Scott who also had a son at the in prison 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:58.960 at that time and he has such a sweet relationship 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:03.039 and such a sweet perspective on Christ's atonement 00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:07.900 that is just so beautiful to hear it and I encourage 00:42:07.900 --> 00:42:10.659 our listeners to go seek it out and fill it. 00:42:10.699 --> 00:42:13.639 Fill Elder Scott's testimony around the atonement 00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.860 of Jesus Christ because of the experience that 00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:21.000 he's had in exercising it as he's had a son who 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:26.079 has struggled so badly as well. There is a conference 00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.219 talk from the General Conference, October of 00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:34.179 1988, that he talks about resolving all the iniquities 00:42:34.179 --> 00:42:38.960 of life. Is that Elder Scott? Okay. Yeah. And 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:42.360 to say that again, October? October of 1988. 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:47.199 Okay. To help a loved one in need is the name 00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:50.659 of the talk. which makes me wanna go in and listen 00:42:50.659 --> 00:42:54.579 to it again, but I have it referenced here. 1988. 00:42:55.179 --> 00:42:57.360 Yeah, I'm not gonna tell you how old I was or 00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:01.440 what I... I know how old you were. All right, 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:06.480 yeah, so iniquity and inequality, the compensatory 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.420 blessings that come because of inequality, there's 00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:12.940 been so many races, so many groups of people, 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:18.690 so many subcategories of people, so many... that 00:43:18.690 --> 00:43:22.349 have just been in the throes of inequality. Deb, 00:43:22.349 --> 00:43:25.969 we don't understand it. No, we don't. No, we 00:43:25.969 --> 00:43:31.010 don't. I'm a white guy in my early 60s. I don't 00:43:31.010 --> 00:43:35.489 understand inequality from an experiential perspective 00:43:35.489 --> 00:43:39.369 at all. And I struggle to understand it academically. 00:43:40.050 --> 00:43:44.150 Because I just don't think that unless we have 00:43:44.150 --> 00:43:49.579 felt that inequality pushed our way for whatever 00:43:49.579 --> 00:43:52.380 reason. I just don't think that we can understand 00:43:52.380 --> 00:43:58.699 the emotional investment or price. I don't think 00:43:58.699 --> 00:44:01.539 we can understand the emotional price that comes 00:44:01.539 --> 00:44:02.920 with that kind of thing. Well, and we've talked 00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:05.280 to people that definitely feel it. Sure have. 00:44:07.200 --> 00:44:11.179 heavily affected by it. And my head still cannot 00:44:11.179 --> 00:44:14.679 wrap all the way around that to go, how is that 00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:19.420 happening today? How is that for real? Inside 00:44:19.420 --> 00:44:22.820 and outside the church. It is so mind blowing 00:44:22.820 --> 00:44:29.420 to me how alive it is. Yeah, it's mind blowing. 00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:36.610 I have a... from Elder Bednar, he had a BYU devotional 00:44:36.610 --> 00:44:41.090 in October of 2001, and a quote from that was, 00:44:41.309 --> 00:44:44.090 the Savior has not just suffered for sins and 00:44:44.090 --> 00:44:49.469 iniquities, but also for the inequality, unfairness, 00:44:49.849 --> 00:44:52.469 the pain, anguish, and emotional distress that 00:44:52.469 --> 00:44:56.030 we experience. Now I know if we can't relate 00:44:56.030 --> 00:45:01.800 to the inequality, we can relate to unfair, pain, 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:06.400 anguish, and emotional distress. That's a human 00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:12.440 race experience. Mortal experience. I agree. 00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:17.039 I think that when we talk about inequality, we 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:21.760 often think about by comparison. I'm not equal. 00:45:21.949 --> 00:45:26.530 to somebody else or something else or those types 00:45:26.530 --> 00:45:29.110 of things. It just came to me as you said that, 00:45:29.349 --> 00:45:32.510 that maybe sometimes inequality is I'm just not 00:45:32.510 --> 00:45:35.889 equal to the task. Maybe sometimes I just feel 00:45:35.889 --> 00:45:39.030 like I'm not equal to what's being asked of me. 00:45:39.130 --> 00:45:41.929 So for example, if I struggle with a certain 00:45:41.929 --> 00:45:45.050 sin or a temptation or what have you, and I find 00:45:45.050 --> 00:45:49.849 it difficult to stay consistent in being disciplined 00:45:49.849 --> 00:45:57.010 around this sin and so forth, and maybe... That 00:45:57.010 --> 00:46:00.949 might be scrupulosity. Yeah. Because literally, 00:46:01.750 --> 00:46:05.670 I mean, we need to wholly rely on the atonement 00:46:05.670 --> 00:46:11.219 of Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah, inequality. I'm 00:46:11.219 --> 00:46:14.900 just not equal to the task personally. And that's 00:46:14.900 --> 00:46:18.400 true probably for all of us. And that's the point. 00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.760 It was never intended for you to be equal to 00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:25.420 the task, Scott. It was intended for you to learn 00:46:25.420 --> 00:46:27.880 complete and utter reliance on your Lord and 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.619 Savior, Jesus Christ, who will be equal to any 00:46:31.619 --> 00:46:34.599 task. You know what, that reminds me of yesterday 00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.280 when we were watching The Chosen and Peter tries 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.840 to give his first sermon and he kind of trips 00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:42.800 over words and stuff at the end and he goes, 00:46:42.860 --> 00:46:45.239 oh, I can't believe I, but he's not going to 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.699 do it perfect like the Savior. He has this comparison 00:46:47.699 --> 00:46:49.559 that he's going to do it like the Savior. He 00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.380 has all the information now he can go out and 00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:54.880 preach, you know, like the Savior. And I think 00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.800 oftentimes we put these high expectations on 00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.059 ourselves that we're going to do it absolutely 00:47:00.059 --> 00:47:04.400 to perfection when we go about a task, so yeah, 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.300 yeah, we definitely do not, we don't do any of 00:47:08.300 --> 00:47:12.460 this perfect. We're not supposed to. We can try, 00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:15.019 but we're not supposed to. That's why we need 00:47:15.019 --> 00:47:20.360 Him. We need saving by the Savior. When I think 00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:24.119 about the blessings that come by way of Christ's 00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:26.710 Atonement. to they're available to each one of 00:47:26.710 --> 00:47:28.949 us, you know, and especially as we break them 00:47:28.949 --> 00:47:32.849 down into the two main categories, the unconditional 00:47:32.849 --> 00:47:35.710 and the conditional effects of Christ's atonement. 00:47:36.030 --> 00:47:38.849 There's there's just a kind of an overarching 00:47:38.849 --> 00:47:43.710 thought in my mind about those three things, 00:47:43.889 --> 00:47:47.010 the redeeming, the enabling and the compensatory 00:47:47.010 --> 00:47:50.750 blessings that come by way of Christ's atonement 00:47:50.750 --> 00:47:52.510 to each one of us. And, you know, and as you 00:47:52.510 --> 00:47:57.179 think about those, redeeming. He's purchased 00:47:57.179 --> 00:48:01.900 me. With his blood. With his blood. And because 00:48:01.900 --> 00:48:05.559 he's purchased me, salvation is free to me. We 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.769 read that in Mosiah recently. Because he purchased 00:48:09.769 --> 00:48:11.730 me not because of anything I did but because 00:48:11.730 --> 00:48:15.030 of everything he did he purchased me. I'm redeemed 00:48:15.030 --> 00:48:18.130 He so that's the first one. He enables me and 00:48:18.130 --> 00:48:20.769 he strengthens me and this is really an interesting 00:48:20.769 --> 00:48:24.030 Thing to think about when we teach this to our 00:48:24.030 --> 00:48:27.949 Institute clouds class each semester We always 00:48:27.949 --> 00:48:30.969 make sure that we that we cover this that it's 00:48:30.969 --> 00:48:33.349 even because of the atonement of Jesus Christ 00:48:33.349 --> 00:48:37.099 That we're able to repent you know we think that 00:48:37.099 --> 00:48:41.239 we think of I need to repent to invoke the blessings 00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.579 of the atonement of Jesus Christ in my life and 00:48:43.579 --> 00:48:45.639 that you know and there's definite truth to that 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:48.840 but not all blessings need to be invoked by anything 00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:50.559 that we do and that's what we're talking about 00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:54.239 here the unconditional blessings of the atonement 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.719 of Jesus Christ but I think of this strengthening 00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:59.400 once you know when I need to overcome something 00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.719 And there's plenty of things I still need to 00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.519 overcome. You know, my discipline is not perfect. 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.420 It's lacking in certain areas. And there are 00:49:07.420 --> 00:49:09.960 certain things that I need to overcome or become 00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:12.280 better at. And it's only through the Atonement 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.800 of Jesus Christ that I will be able to overcome 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:18.739 or that I will be able to become better at those 00:49:18.739 --> 00:49:22.800 things. And again, that will allow me to fill 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.539 even a deeper portion of the Atonement of Jesus 00:49:25.539 --> 00:49:27.619 Christ. And then it goes back to having faith 00:49:27.619 --> 00:49:32.289 in. and faith in the name of, and that whole 00:49:32.289 --> 00:49:37.989 action is do we really let that go and let him 00:49:37.989 --> 00:49:44.289 compensate. Well, and then the third one, the 00:49:44.289 --> 00:49:47.329 compensatory blessings. When I think about those 00:49:47.329 --> 00:49:50.579 three things, I know that this is not new. I 00:49:50.579 --> 00:49:54.159 know that this happened many years ago, decades 00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:58.559 ago, but this is the first example that I remember 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:04.539 of this kind of compassion being extolled to 00:50:04.539 --> 00:50:07.760 the world from the church by way of official 00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.440 communication. It was around that time in the 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.250 80s when the... AIDS, I don't know if it was 00:50:14.250 --> 00:50:18.409 an epidemic or what, but yeah, when it was AIDS. 00:50:18.730 --> 00:50:21.150 And I don't know, you'll remember, I remember 00:50:21.150 --> 00:50:23.550 people were saying, oh, this is God's way of 00:50:23.550 --> 00:50:27.309 punishing them. them being those who were participating 00:50:27.309 --> 00:50:30.710 in a homosexual type of lifestyle and those kinds 00:50:30.710 --> 00:50:33.050 of things. And, you know, God's way of punishing 00:50:33.050 --> 00:50:36.090 them and all of those things. And it wasn't. 00:50:36.090 --> 00:50:39.389 Shame on us. I know. Shame on us. Right. So the 00:50:39.389 --> 00:50:42.090 first presidency of the church issued actually 00:50:42.090 --> 00:50:44.889 this statement that kind of really modeled looks 00:50:44.889 --> 00:50:48.289 like it kind of teaches hard truths that we need 00:50:48.289 --> 00:50:50.670 to know. But they did it with compassion, clarity 00:50:50.670 --> 00:50:53.570 and hope, which is through the atonement of Jesus 00:50:53.570 --> 00:50:56.360 Christ. So listen to this. We express great love 00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:59.219 and sympathy for all victims, but particularly 00:50:59.219 --> 00:51:01.420 those who've received the virus through blood 00:51:01.420 --> 00:51:04.659 transfusions Babies afflicted from infected mothers 00:51:04.659 --> 00:51:07.019 and innocent marriage partners who have been 00:51:07.019 --> 00:51:10.340 infected by a spouse if the Lord's eternal plan 00:51:10.340 --> 00:51:14.239 in the Lord's eternal plan those who endure such 00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:18.139 suffering pain and injustice not of their own 00:51:18.139 --> 00:51:22.579 doing will receive compensatory blessings through 00:51:22.579 --> 00:51:26.280 the Lord's infinite mercy." And I think that 00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:29.159 might have been actually, Deb, the first place 00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.780 where we really started teaching the compensatory 00:51:32.780 --> 00:51:35.099 blessings available to us through Christ's Atonement. 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.960 You know, Deb, when I think of the compensatory 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:41.179 blessings that are available to us through Christ's 00:51:41.179 --> 00:51:43.420 Atonement, one of the areas that really hits 00:51:43.420 --> 00:51:47.079 me hard I don't know if hard but with great weight 00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:49.679 let's put it that way one of the areas that hits 00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.119 me with great weight are My friends and family 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:57.099 who I see suffer Even sometimes because of their 00:51:57.099 --> 00:52:00.179 own decisions, right? There's just a lot of suffering 00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:02.739 a lot of sadness sometimes and I've even experienced 00:52:02.739 --> 00:52:06.539 it. I know you have to in our own lives, but 00:52:06.539 --> 00:52:11.369 but every Every time that I have felt that and 00:52:11.369 --> 00:52:13.909 have been able to write it through Which has 00:52:13.909 --> 00:52:16.090 been every time apparently because here I am 00:52:16.090 --> 00:52:19.590 still but as I write those things through I get 00:52:19.590 --> 00:52:22.030 through those and even in the process of those 00:52:22.030 --> 00:52:26.530 I feel such a deep love and Compensatory blessings 00:52:26.530 --> 00:52:30.550 coming to me even though I'm me and I still have 00:52:30.550 --> 00:52:34.579 all the mistakes and everything in my life but 00:52:34.579 --> 00:52:37.280 I felt those compensatory blessings and Heavenly 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.980 Father's love coming to me because of Christ's 00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:47.739 Atonement. Yeah, I think by, I always tell my 00:52:47.739 --> 00:52:52.300 children, the primary kids, and even the institute 00:52:52.300 --> 00:52:54.360 kids, if you haven't had a big trial that will 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.489 test this faith, I mean test your faith, just 00:52:57.489 --> 00:53:00.769 wait, it'll come. And then those moments that 00:53:00.769 --> 00:53:04.349 you have to holy, literally holy rely upon the 00:53:04.349 --> 00:53:07.050 Lord because there is no human being that can 00:53:07.050 --> 00:53:10.889 give you an answer that you know only the Lord 00:53:10.889 --> 00:53:14.050 can give you this direction and this answer for. 00:53:14.489 --> 00:53:17.530 And I think the longer we live, the more we realize 00:53:17.530 --> 00:53:22.300 how true. and alive the atonement of Jesus Christ 00:53:22.300 --> 00:53:24.619 is in our life. You know, when we kneel down 00:53:24.619 --> 00:53:28.739 at night and I thank Heavenly Father so much 00:53:28.739 --> 00:53:31.480 for the opportunity that we have to testify, 00:53:32.739 --> 00:53:37.500 testify of Him and testify of His Son because 00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:39.800 of the experiences that we've had, because of 00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.800 the pain and sorrow and suffering and injustice 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:46.280 and the things that are so unfair and painful. 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:49.380 then we get to the other side and we're like 00:53:49.380 --> 00:53:53.960 he was there all along he was there carrying 00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:58.699 us he had already paid for this he had already 00:53:58.699 --> 00:54:03.159 suffered for this he had compensated for all 00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:10.059 of this pain grief sorrow all of this and it's 00:54:10.059 --> 00:54:13.550 it's humbling to push the pause button and really, 00:54:13.550 --> 00:54:17.010 really reflect on that. And oftentimes I think 00:54:17.010 --> 00:54:22.329 of that during the sacrament of what he must 00:54:22.329 --> 00:54:26.869 have gone through when he fell on his face. I 00:54:26.869 --> 00:54:30.710 just think how excruciating. And I would like 00:54:30.710 --> 00:54:33.889 to believe that maybe I was, you know, in the 00:54:33.889 --> 00:54:37.329 pre -existence that I had a little eye to see 00:54:37.329 --> 00:54:43.599 to drop a drop of tear. when he was suffering 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:49.760 so excruciatingly for me and for all of you and 00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:55.739 us. It's all about knowing him. It's all about 00:54:55.739 --> 00:55:00.579 having confidence because we know him. I love 00:55:00.579 --> 00:55:05.159 him. I'm so, so grateful. You know, you know, 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.599 Had a front row seat to it and I don't want to 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:10.659 paint, you know pictures that are negative, but 00:55:10.659 --> 00:55:13.980 I am so Grateful for the contrast in my life 00:55:13.980 --> 00:55:18.860 today because of Christ's love for me Individually 00:55:18.860 --> 00:55:22.699 and because of Christ's love for us Collectively 00:55:22.699 --> 00:55:25.559 that's important to me, too But because of his 00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:27.980 love for me individually when I read now I'm 00:55:27.980 --> 00:55:30.780 a seven that he suffered every temptation every 00:55:30.780 --> 00:55:36.219 iniquity every trial everything All kinds. It 00:55:36.219 --> 00:55:39.780 covers it for me. He suffered that for me. I 00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:42.739 couldn't suffer for it myself. I will never be 00:55:42.739 --> 00:55:45.739 able to pay for it myself. I am not required 00:55:45.739 --> 00:55:48.860 to pay for it by myself. The requirement that 00:55:48.860 --> 00:55:51.739 I have is to come to him with a broken heart 00:55:51.739 --> 00:55:54.139 and a contrite spirit. We'll talk about that 00:55:54.139 --> 00:55:57.059 as we continue the podcast. But next week, when 00:55:57.059 --> 00:55:59.400 we get together, we're going to talk about the 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.099 conditional effects of Christ's Atonement in 00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:07.719 our life. Maybe just a quick invitation for this 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.719 week. What if really you could believe that every 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:18.719 loss, every heartache, every injustice, every 00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:23.320 inadequacy, every lack, what if we could really 00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.679 believe that all of that and more was already 00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:29.579 accounted for in Christ's Atonement? It was. 00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:32.400 We just talked about that. I know. But what if 00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.619 you really believed it? It's easy for us to say 00:56:35.619 --> 00:56:37.099 it. Would we act and behave differently? That's 00:56:37.099 --> 00:56:39.559 what I'm wondering. That's what I'm wondering. 00:56:40.460 --> 00:56:45.039 Or would that change how maybe you carry your 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:49.139 sorrow? Maybe how you carry your loss? How maybe 00:56:49.139 --> 00:56:53.420 you carry your perceived inadequacy or lack or 00:56:53.420 --> 00:56:58.239 injustice or any of those things? What if you 00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:01.000 really believed? Give you a different perspective, 00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:03.400 for sure. Every single bit of that was accounted 00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:06.880 for by Christ's helmet. Maybe that's our invitation 00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:09.440 this week, just to consider that, to think about 00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:12.380 that. What if everything, you know, we don't 00:57:12.380 --> 00:57:14.960 have to just accept that it is, but what if it 00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:17.599 was, everything that we're struggling with, everything 00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:21.519 that seems to be in our face, mortal experience, 00:57:21.980 --> 00:57:27.099 what if all of that was already accounted for 00:57:27.099 --> 00:57:30.019 in Christ's helmet? Well, and I think Eve, or 00:57:30.019 --> 00:57:33.300 whatever, whoever, I think in the temple we see 00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:37.179 this when it says, because of my sorrow I now 00:57:37.179 --> 00:57:42.340 have joy. So that's one thing to consider and 00:57:42.340 --> 00:57:46.219 to think about because of our sorrows we can 00:57:46.219 --> 00:57:48.940 experience joy. Well and we read that in Moses 00:57:48.940 --> 00:57:51.519 chapter four too, right? Yeah, that's what I'm 00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.699 talking about. Exactly. Well, you know as we 00:57:54.699 --> 00:57:56.159 close today we just want to say that wherever 00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:58.340 you are however you're feeling you're welcome 00:57:58.340 --> 00:58:00.380 to be here with us because like I said earlier 00:58:00.380 --> 00:58:02.559 Jesus isn't just waiting for us to clean everything 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:05.840 up before you come to him He meets us in our 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:09.179 heartbreak. He meets us in our sorrow our injustice 00:58:09.179 --> 00:58:12.559 our grief in the middle of our mess That's where 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.659 his grace shines the brightest So come as you 00:58:15.659 --> 00:58:19.340 are broken hopeful questioning searching you 00:58:19.340 --> 00:58:22.690 truly are not alone Again, and I don't think 00:58:22.690 --> 00:58:24.750 I mentioned this earlier, but we'd love to stay 00:58:24.750 --> 00:58:27.530 connected with you. If you have thoughts, questions, 00:58:28.050 --> 00:58:30.929 any ideas, please don't hesitate to send those 00:58:30.929 --> 00:58:35.309 to us. You can do that at heredeemsusatgmail 00:58:35.309 --> 00:58:38.650 .com. We read every single one of those. And 00:58:38.650 --> 00:58:41.489 if this episode touched your heart, we hope that 00:58:41.489 --> 00:58:43.269 you'll share it with someone you love and care 00:58:43.269 --> 00:58:45.929 about, friend, a family member, anyone who could 00:58:45.929 --> 00:58:49.690 use compensatory or redeeming. blessings from 00:58:49.690 --> 00:58:51.969 the atonement of Jesus Christ. A little more 00:58:51.969 --> 00:58:56.130 hope right now. So next week we're going to talk 00:58:56.130 --> 00:59:00.090 more about the effects of Christ's atonement 00:59:00.090 --> 00:59:03.570 in our life. We'll get into the conditional effects 00:59:03.570 --> 00:59:05.489 of Christ's atonement in our life. We'll talk 00:59:05.489 --> 00:59:07.929 about how he doesn't just redeem us, he heals 00:59:07.929 --> 00:59:11.909 us, he lifts us, he transforms us, and he does 00:59:11.909 --> 00:59:16.409 it not just on Sunday, but in our everyday life. 00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:20.980 Thanks for being with us everyone we love you 00:59:20.980 --> 00:59:23.579 and remember there's always hope through him 00:59:23.579 --> 00:59:26.880 because you have been redeemed through his blood. 00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:28.619 All right everybody thanks for being with us 00:59:28.619 --> 00:59:31.340 we'll see you again next time until then be well.