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Hey there, everybody. Welcome out to another

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episode of Redeemed Through His Blood. This is

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Scott Durfey. And today and every day that we

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do this, I'm joined by the lovely Debra Durfey.

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What's up, babe? Hi, everybody. Happy to be here.

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It's good to be kind of home. Deb and I have

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been out of town for a few days doing some family

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reunion stuff down in southern Utah. Really great

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area. Just absolutely love it. But it's good

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to be home, huh? It is good to be home and in

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our own bed. I love that you say it's good to

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kind of be home, because I think we are home.

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This is our home. I guess I should have said

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it's kind of good to be home. Because I love

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that, you know, it's a beautiful area. Well,

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and it's not just that there's, you know, I don't

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know about our listeners. I know this is true

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for you, but there are places in my life that

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are kind of sacred. that are outside of what

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we would typically deem sacred places and nature.

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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And nature in general, mountains,

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even the desert and the water, the ocean, I know,

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especially for you. But those kinds of things

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can be sacred for me. But I have a history in

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the area that we just came from this in this

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area that we were just at. I kind of grew up

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there doing family reunion stuff, hunting, spending

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time in the mountains. And then later in life,

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when my became a train wreck. I guess I should

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my life didn't become a train wreck when I turned

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my life into choices. Yeah, exactly. I hopped

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on the train. I don't ever want to I don't ever

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exactly I hopped on the train. I don't ever want

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it to seem like that I'm a victim of my own choices.

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But anyhow, that was a place that you know, when

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I was trying to recommune when I was trying to

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reconnect, you know those when I felt lost the

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most lost there, there was some sacredness. in

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that area. In that area is where I first... Gain

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testimony with great men on the deer hunts, you

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know. You should tell us where that place is.

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The name of the mountain where we were on this

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weekend is called Fish Lake, Fish Lake Mountain.

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And there's absolutely beautiful, just absolutely

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gorgeous. And this is an area, Deb, where when

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I admire some of my very earliest memories and

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I have pretty early memories, I literally remember

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vividly things from three years old. It's awesome.

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And maybe even before that, but I know for sure

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I remember. remember things at three years old,

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four for sure, five for sure. But this is an

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area that my grandparents were raised, my grandma

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and grandpa Durfee, Dave's parents, who we did

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the podcast with in seasons past, and my dad's

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parents, they grew up, both grew up in that Wayne

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County, that little beautiful sacred area to

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me. Well, and I think it's important to... to

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let our listeners know also that you went with

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extended family for decades. Like your cousins

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and your aunts and uncles and your grandma. So

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you created these memories as a young child.

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And then your parents have continued this amazing

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tradition to gather their children and their

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children's children, so their grandchildren,

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together once a year to go and have a reunion.

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And it's such a wonderful, wonderful time of

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year that we look forward to some of us that

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love to camp some of us that hate to camp and

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and they all come and they all participate and

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we all have a good time and we laugh and we it's

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just such a great connection I it's been such

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a blessing for me to step into this tradition

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and by doing it for the last 23 years now I I'm

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like we gotta keep this going you know yeah yeah

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you know it's like right taking our children

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and our grandchildren and continue it and don't

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ever let this tradition dissolve because it's

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so sacred. It's such a beautiful experience.

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You know what to me makes it sacred? So there's

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two components to me that make it sacred. One

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is the memory of going back and being able to

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reconnect. I can't tell you how many tears have

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fallen from my eyes into the dirt. and stuff

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around that area. Just pleading, reseeking, help

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me remember. And when I go back there, I have

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those remembrances. And it's visceral for me.

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I can go back there and I can feel those things.

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For me, Deb, I remember sitting on the boat,

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holding my little grandson, Scotty. I remember

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vividly being about that age and on that same

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lake and my grandma and my grandpa holding me

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and and and reassuring me and letting me know

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how much I'm loved and and and giving these experiences

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to me that have formed my life. Yeah. And I hope

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that, you know, we can do that for our kids,

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too. And I think you're doing to I know we are

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the thing that I don't just bring that up to

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burden our listeners with. our personal stories

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and memories and things like that. There's a

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point behind all of this. You know, yesterday,

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too, we went to David and Chris's farewell. It

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was beautiful. And I don't want to talk a lot

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about it. So really get emotional. We want to

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be able to complete this because I'm going to

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miss those guys like crazy. However, when David

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stood up, the first I don't know if it was the

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very first thing out of his mouth, but it might

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as well have been. He said, and I think I quote,

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it's all about relationships. Yeah. It's all

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about relationships. And it really is all about

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relationships, you know, and we think about that,

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you know, and to the to the ears that maybe aren't

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accustomed to thinking in a way of deity type

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of relationships, you know, maybe we just first

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think of relationships, earthly relationships.

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And that's important. And that's where. those

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things for me began, you know, in places like

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that. And we have been so blessed, Deb, your

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family is the same way, you know, your side of

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the family is the same way, in that there have

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just been such a great concerted effort to bring

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family together, to gather us together so that

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we can develop and gain an earthly sense of the

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importance of loving, caring, supportive relationships.

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And even sometimes relationships that come with

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some challenges. They can bless us too. What

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they are though is just a precursor to the most

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important relationship that we'll ever enter

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into and that's our relationship with the deity.

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Our relationship with our Father in heaven. Which

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is possible because of the atonement and sacrifice

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of his son. And so a relationship through his

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son. as well, and a relationship with the Holy

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Ghost. And I love that. This is where we're going

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to be today. Last week we talked a little bit

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about faith. We're going to talk a lot more about

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faith in coming weeks. But last week we talked

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a little bit about faith and we really kind of

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focused on Amulek. And when Amulek was teaching

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the people, he was about ready to call them to

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repentance, you know, and to give them, you know,

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the things that they needed in order to prepare

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again to meet God. But before he did any of that,

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what did he teach them? He taught them the atonement

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of Jesus Christ and the importance of that. And

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the relationship with Jesus Christ. Right. Yeah.

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Exactly. Even more importantly is that relationship

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with him. Important above anything else. Yeah.

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Yeah. I mean literally important above anything

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else is our relationship with deity. It's all

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about a relationship and those relationships

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extend into our mortal experience and then thereby

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will extend it back into eternity through covenant

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relationships and so forth. But it's all about

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that relationship. So I think today you know

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we really want to talk about that relationship.

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Well I think it's also important to Um, bring

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up the fact that after Dave and Chris's farewell,

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we went to his house to, um, you know, celebrate

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and they had a little luncheon and it was so

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tender for me to be able to watch you reconnect

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with all those family members that there, you

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were literally like a ping pong ball in that

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sack, in that, um, chapel, like going from person

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to person, from friend to family to friend to

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family. And then, then after when we went over

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to Dave and Chris's and we sat out it on a table

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and had such a sweet. conversation with some

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of those people that you literally grew up with

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down, down in fish Lake and created those traditions

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and those, and made those relationships again,

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back to the relationship and how tender and sweet

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those are. And even to the point that it was

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like, we got to get together because those relationships

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are so meaningful and so powerful and so helpful

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as we navigate through life and life's and we

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got, I got to meet a lot of their. kids. I know

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your cousins, but I don't know a lot of their

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kids. Well, neither do I. And it was so fun to

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see how darling and cute and I mean, there were

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even times that I'd pause and I'm like, look

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at this little cute kid and, you know, just walking

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by. But anyway, it was that was a sacred, sweet,

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sweet moment as well. Yeah. Instruments of grace,

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I think. I think Heavenly Father allows us to

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have these experiences so that so that the spirit

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can bear witness to us that families can be together

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forever. Yeah. And what a reunion. I mean, I

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just think about being able to just sit and to

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have those, you know, meaningful conversations.

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And we talked about all things of past, present

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and even future. It was such a sacred moment.

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And I could have sat there for days, probably,

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with the days, with the days and many others

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as well. Yeah. Yeah, that's really what it's

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about, you know, if and you know, I know it's

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difficult because I know not everybody has that

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relationship with their family. I know not everybody

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has those things. I know, you know, people are

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perhaps thinking, yes, Scott, you have me, you

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know, because I can relate to you with your alcoholism

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problems and I can relate to you with all your

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following issues. But I haven't been blessed

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like you have. And I haven't had that experience

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in my life. I haven't had that blessing in my

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life. And to those I say, Hang on. Yeah, hang

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on and listen on stay with us because today we

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talk a little bit actually a lot We address that

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about that and I think that's important relation.

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We all I think we all have this inside of us.

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And I think for some, perhaps it's buried under

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the weight of depression or neglect or lack or

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whatever. But I think within each one of us,

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we have a desire, an innate desire to be connected,

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to feel love and to give love and to participate

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in a relationship, a positive uplifting, supportive,

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loving relationship. Yeah. And I think we can

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go back to the first and great commandment is

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love the Lord thy God. That's our first relationship.

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Right. And then the second is like unto it is

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to love one another as thyself. And I think sometimes

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thyself is one of the hardest relationships because

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we're so mean to ourselves. We're so brutal.

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And sometimes we just pick up a beating stick

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and just pound the, you know, how dare you? What

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were you thinking? I can't believe you did that

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again. I mean, it's, you know, the relationship

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with self is a really powerful relationship as

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well. Well, we know that as we've been talking

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about through the atonement of Jesus Christ,

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all things can be healed. Every effect of the

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fall of Adam and Eve and every negative effect

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that we go through or experience in this life,

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we've talked about it and we're going to reiterate

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it and revisit it quite a bit today. The atonement

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of Jesus Christ is for sin, make no mistake.

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You know, maybe first, and I don't know. But

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it's obviously for so much more than just our

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transgressions. And I want to talk about that

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today. I want to talk about the blessings or

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the effects that are available to us because

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of the atonement of Jesus Christ. I know that

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we've alluded to a lot of this. I know that we've

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kind of hinted around it and made reference to

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it. I don't think we hinted around it. I think

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we've made reference to it and those types of

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things. But today we deal with it directly. There

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are really blessings or effects that come from

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Jesus Christ, right, because of his atonement.

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It's probably a good time to say this too, that

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when we talk about Christ and his atonement,

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it's his atonement. There's no... power in an

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event called the Atonement. Elder Packer, Elder

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Holland, and so many others of the Twelve and

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our prophets have talked about this. But it's

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not the Atonement that gives us power. It's Jesus

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Christ's power. And Jesus Christ's power and

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blessings are available to us. because of his

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atonement. His atonement, yeah. That's right.

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But Jesus Christ is the power. He is the power,

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and the blessings come from him. Yeah, and to

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refer to the atonement is nothing if you're not

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referring to Jesus Christ's atonement. It is

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exactly right. I think that's what you're trying

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to say. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. So we know that

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there are effects of the atonement. We know there

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are effects of the fall. We talked about that.

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We talked about spiritual death and physical

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death and the effects that come and are associated

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without each one of those deaths. Well, today

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we're going to talk about the effects of Christ's

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atonement, the blessings that come to us from

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Jesus Christ or because of Jesus Christ, because

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of his atonement. And we're really going to break

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these down to two effects, right? We have conditional

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and we have unconditional effects of the atonement

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of Jesus Christ. It's important and again we

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just talked about that you know that the the

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power doesn't come from the atonement the power

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comes from Jesus Christ through his atonement.

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And we know that unconditional effects we overcome

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physical and spiritual death. For example the

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resurrection, salvation of children, returning

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to God's presence and then the conditional effects

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is dependent on our faith. Repentance, our covenants,

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like not just making them, but, you know, renewing

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them every week and enduring. And I think, you

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know, sometimes it's, I was in a Relay Society

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meeting one time and there was a lady teaching,

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this was years and years ago, basically said

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she got her last kid to the temple and so we've

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arrived. And, you know, I thought, wow, she's

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so lucky. And then I just thought, Wow, you have

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no idea. Like, once we get there, it doesn't

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mean we're staying there. So there's a commitment

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and there's, you know. There's something that

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just be said about that, you know, oftentimes

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you hear things like that. Yeah. And people we

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love. It's like we hit the goal. Exactly. Again,

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it's not about just making that covenant, but

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keeping that covenant. And even more importantly,

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and that has become so sacred to me, is renewing.

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that covenant every single week, that sacred

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opportunity to make that effort to sit in that

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ordinance room and partake of that broken bread

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and drink of that cup. So as we move in, again,

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just to reiterate, the source of the power is

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not the what, it's the who. And it's how we always

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need to remember that. You know, one of the defaults,

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if we can just condition ourselves to whenever

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we have a dilemma, when we have to make a decision,

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oftentimes it's better for me to think instead

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of what, who. Right? Instead of what should I

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do? Who should I go to as a pattern? Who should

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I go to for help? Whose atonement and whose blessing

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should I rely on to pull me through? And so it's

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often that that's the case. You know, for example,

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in recovery programs, we speak of a higher power.

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We know that healing really begins when we understand

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who that power is. For those of us who have a

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difficulty, a difficult time identifying that

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power, just to identify higher power helps us

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to know that there's something greater than me.

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But for those who have the ability to really

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understand who that power is in being Jesus Christ,

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that's really where, for me, Deb, that's really

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where the peace, the clarity, my purpose in life,

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it all comes from that relationship, my relational

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approach to the atonement of Jesus Christ. It's

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not just theological, right? It's an actual relationship

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with Him. Yeah, yeah. And again, back to relationships,

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that's the first and great commandment. Yeah,

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right. Well, let's talk a little bit about some

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of these unconditional. Let's start with the

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unconditional effects of the atonement of Jesus

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Christ. For this one, we can turn right to the

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scriptures. We're going to turn to a scripture

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in the Book of Mormon. This is Moroni chapter

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eight, and we're going to be in verses 10 through

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12. I'll just read it. It's not long, but this

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is the first unconditional effect. available

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to the children of men because of Christ's atonement.

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Behold I say unto you, this is again Moroni chapter

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eight, verse 10, 11 and 12. Behold I say unto

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you that this thing ye shall teach, repentance

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and baptism unto those who are accountable and

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capable of committing sin. Ye teach parents that

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they must repent and be baptized and humble themselves

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as their little children and they shall all be

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saved with their little children. Can I push

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pause on that for just a second? Because there

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was a sentence that very first in 10 that really

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gets my attention for the simple fact that I

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have studied this word. Behold, I say unto you

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that this thing ye shall teach. You know, we

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talk about what is the thing? What is the most

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important thing? Who is the thing? And you know,

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in previous... episodes and in researching the

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thing and in my patriarchal blessing it says

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go forth and do the thing that the Lord has commanded

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you to do and go forth I bless you with the ability

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to do the thing and so I've really researched

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the word thing and I you know in my personal

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research, that thing is our Savior Jesus Christ.

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So as we read that, and if it's okay I'll read

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10 again, but if we can just put in Jesus Christ,

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Behold I say unto you that this Jesus Christ

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shall ye teach. repentance and baptism unto those

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who are accountable and capable of committing

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sin. Yea, teach parents that they must repent

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and be baptized and humble themselves as little

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children, that they may be saved with their little

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children. Okay, go on with 11. And their little

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children need no repentance, neither baptism.

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Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling

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of the commandments. Unto the remission of sins,

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but little children are alive in Christ even

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from the foundation of the world If not, so God

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is a partial God and also a changeable God and

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a respecter of persons for how many little children

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have died without baptism I Think this is one

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of the greatest tender mercies. I do too ever

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afforded humankind Right. Yeah, and in Deb, you

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know, this is one of the areas where we really

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kind of are a little bit different than the rest

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of Christendom. You know, this is an area that

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because of the restoration of the gospel, because

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of Revelation, because of the Book of Mormon,

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because of that scripture right there, right?

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And others ahead of it, you know, there's some

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in Mosiah too, but that scripture right there

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specifically, because of that scripture, that

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really differentiates and that to me really helps

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me understand You know, Heavenly Father really

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is a God of love and a God of mercy. Well, and

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he refers so often to his little children. Yeah.

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And to children. It's, you know, being the primary

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president in our ward, it makes me realize and

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just being among those children, what pure doctrine

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is spoken every single week. I think I shared

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this when we did a little activity of you know,

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this little boy Tommy in our ward on when he

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wanted, I was talking to him about a testimony

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and he says, Sister Durfee, I don't have a testimony.

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And I said, what do you know about Jesus? And

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he says, I love him. And I said, write that in

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the front of the Book of Mormon. You know, you

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write your testimony and then you share it with

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somebody that has never read the Book of Mormon.

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And that sweet little innocent child wrote, I

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love you, Jesus, Tommy. That was his testimony.

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That was his testimony. And what pure, pure,

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I mean, purity. I mean, it was just so tender,

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you know, that I love you, Jesus. Yeah, yeah.

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Telling you, pure doctrines taught there. If

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you want to see and feel, you know, where the

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Savior will be, go among the children. Right.

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This is a really a comforting doctrine to a lot

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of people. You know, there's been a lot of people

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who have had children pass There's been a lot

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of people who have had Miscarriages stillborns

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and I don't know the doctrine specifically. In

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fact, there's not really any specific doctrine

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around those types of things but I know that

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there's comfort that comes through understanding

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that this unconditional effect that's available

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to us because of Jesus Christ and his atonement

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can be, and indeed is, one of the most comforting.

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points of doctrine that is available to us through

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His Atonement. David used to tell a story, and

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I'll probably butcher it a little bit, but you

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can go back and verify it. Fact -checked it.

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I'm sure that there's stuff that's going to be

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wrong. But in past episodes, he's actually shared

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this. story. He had a missionary companion served

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his mission in Fresno, California, he had a missionary

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companion, they were out knocking doors, I don't

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remember any of the specific details. So I'm

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going to embellish a few of my own. So, you know,

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I think that they had had a long day, I think

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that it they hadn't had a ton of success that

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day and success being measured by the number

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of doors open to them for them to go in and deliver

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a message. This Elder Hanson knocked on a door.

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They felt, I think that they felt like they needed

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a hit, you know, the old consummate story, one

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more door, one more house. And they did. And

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when he knocked on the door, he didn't know what

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he should say. And so he just opened his Book

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of Mormon to the scripture that we just read

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in Moroni chapter eight, that very scripture.

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And he read it to the lady that opened the door.

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And she just stood there. after he got done reading

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he looked up and apparently she just stood there

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and I'm sure I'm sure fear struck those young

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missionaries like oh my gosh what am I gonna

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do but but come to find out I think she was just

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struck silent in shock and she said how did you

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know how did you know or he said something like

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who she said something like who are you and and

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how did you know how did you know And the missionaries,

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David and his companion, his companion said,

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what do you mean, what did we know? And then

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she went on to explain that she had just had

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an infant death. I don't remember if that was

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a stillborn, I don't remember if that was a miscarriage

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or if it was a baby that had just passed, doesn't

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matter. The comfort came to her through the doctrine

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of the atonement of Jesus Christ. in that specific

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verse. And I know that that just lends so much

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comfort to so many people who have been in that

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situation. We have friends. You know, we had

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Jory and Mandy on here. Remember Jory and Mandy's

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podcast, and we played it a couple of times.

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We should do that again. I would actually love

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to have them on again, but it would pretty much

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be the same story. But they have gained so much

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comfort. in knowing that their little one who

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died at the hands of a babysitter has been able

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to enter into the celestial kingdom. Just go

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straight to living with our Heavenly Father.

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I think that is such beautiful doctrine. And

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comforting. Yeah, yeah. Very comforting. Well,

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if you think about it. I did, I researched this

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again this morning, just to double check, make

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sure that I was on track, that I'm not getting

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in the weeds. In fact, I had a friend, Rob, in

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my ward, and he and I discussed this recently.

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And we have found that there are statistics,

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and the statistics range anywhere between 40

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and 60%. Infant mortality rate, or I should say

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children, child mortality rate before the age

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of eight. prior to 1850 was between 40 and 60

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percent. What that means is every child born

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around the world prior to 1850 of all that were

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born right around half passed away before eight.

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before five, most of them. And if they didn't

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have the ability to be baptized and to enter

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this covenant relationship and all those other

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things, so many other traditions, spiritual and

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religious traditions out there, condemn that

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young person, that baby to hell. Well, that's

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not the gospel of Jesus Christ. That's not the

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doctrine of Jesus Christ. We just read here that

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they're all saved without condition. They go

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to the celestial kingdom. So because of that,

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and a lot of the general authorities have made

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reference to this, Deb, but because of that,

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the celestial kingdom's gonna be the most populated

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kingdom. Because of all those little perfect

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babies. Just that alone. Yeah. Just that alone.

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Perfect children, I know. Just that alone. Yeah,

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makes me reflect on our sweet niece who just

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recently passed, or her baby passed. It was her

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first baby and it was so, so difficult, but because

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her and her husband both understanding the Atonement

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of Jesus Christ doesn't take away the pain, doesn't

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take away the heartache, the empty arms, the

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grief, the sorrow, but just having that comfort

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of knowing. that that baby's in God's arms. That

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that baby is in a celestial state. And he was

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so perfect, he just needed to come get a body.

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We still miss him. So sad. There's rejoicing

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in that too, right? There's rejoicing in the

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doctrine, knowing that perfection. Knowing that

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through our savior's atonement of Jesus Christ

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and the power that's available to us, the perfection

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that that little one or those little ones enter

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right into the celestial kingdom and I love that

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doctrine. That's a merciful God. A merciful God

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isn't, well you died before you had a chance

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to get baptized, you're going to hell, sorry.

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That's not mercy to me. That's not love to me.

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That is condemnation and that's the that's the

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God that I used to think I saw When I felt like

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he was always mad at me for all the dumb things

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I was doing. Well, sometimes we were taught that.

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I mean, I think we were, too. You know, that

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he was making bad marks and every time you do

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something wrong, you're getting... Well, I think

00:28:50.869 --> 00:28:52.890
what I'm referring to, yeah, true, but what I'm

00:28:52.890 --> 00:28:56.410
referring specifically to are the doctrines and

00:28:56.410 --> 00:28:58.589
the teachings and some other traditions, religions

00:28:58.589 --> 00:29:00.849
and so forth, you know, in that if a baby dies

00:29:00.849 --> 00:29:02.269
before they're baptized, they're going to hell.

00:29:03.009 --> 00:29:04.849
There's no comfort in that for me. Well, I'm

00:29:04.849 --> 00:29:07.289
grateful that's not true in my belief system.

00:29:07.789 --> 00:29:12.660
I'm grateful that's not true. Well, let's talk

00:29:12.660 --> 00:29:17.799
then about another unconditional effect of the

00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:20.839
atonement of Jesus Christ. And Deb, I think that

00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.039
for this one, let's kind of preface it with a

00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.000
couple of scriptures first. Do you mind turning

00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.180
for me and reading Mosiah chapter three, and

00:29:28.180 --> 00:29:31.769
let's do verses seven through 11. And lo, he

00:29:31.769 --> 00:29:36.309
shall suffer temptations and pain of body, hunger,

00:29:36.549 --> 00:29:39.849
thirst, and fatigue even more than man can suffer,

00:29:40.670 --> 00:29:43.910
except it be unto death. For behold, blood cometh

00:29:43.910 --> 00:29:47.430
from every poor. So great shall be his anguish

00:29:47.430 --> 00:29:52.529
for the wickedness and the abominations of his

00:29:52.529 --> 00:29:55.869
people. And he shall be called Jesus Christ,

00:29:55.990 --> 00:29:58.950
the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth.

00:29:59.259 --> 00:30:02.059
the creator of all things from the beginning,

00:30:02.500 --> 00:30:06.180
and his mother shall be called Mary. And lo,

00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.859
he cometh unto his own, that salvation might

00:30:09.859 --> 00:30:13.539
come unto the children of men, even through faith

00:30:13.539 --> 00:30:17.660
on his name. I love that. Faith on his name.

00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:20.769
That's how we gain salvation. and even after

00:30:20.769 --> 00:30:24.910
all this they shall consider him a man and say

00:30:24.910 --> 00:30:29.670
that he hath a devil and shall scourge him and

00:30:29.670 --> 00:30:33.789
shall crucify him and he shall rise the third

00:30:33.789 --> 00:30:37.950
day from the dead and behold he standeth to judge

00:30:37.950 --> 00:30:41.690
the world and behold all these things are done

00:30:41.690 --> 00:30:45.529
that a righteous judgment might come upon the

00:30:45.529 --> 00:30:47.630
children of men let me push pause right there

00:30:47.630 --> 00:30:51.539
sweetheart Can you read that last verse again?

00:30:53.059 --> 00:30:56.660
And he shall rise the third day from the dead,

00:30:57.299 --> 00:31:01.640
and behold, he standeth to judge the world. And

00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:05.220
behold, all these things are done that a righteous

00:31:05.220 --> 00:31:09.079
judgment might come upon the children of men.

00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:11.579
Okay, before we go to verse 11, so that was verse

00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:16.500
10, we see why he did it. The reason he went

00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:18.539
through what he did, and I know that there are

00:31:18.539 --> 00:31:20.599
other definitions, and I know there are other

00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:23.640
interpretations, but there are other things around

00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.339
it. But here's a reason, and it says the reason,

00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.140
that he did what he did. All these things are

00:31:29.140 --> 00:31:33.119
done so that, I can put in, so that a righteous

00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:34.819
judgment might come upon the children of men.

00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:38.529
A righteous judgment. I want us to put that in

00:31:38.529 --> 00:31:42.210
the, just file that away somewhere really important

00:31:42.210 --> 00:31:45.769
in your head. He did it that a righteous judgment

00:31:45.769 --> 00:31:47.930
might come upon the children of men. Go ahead

00:31:47.930 --> 00:32:08.480
and read 11. Hang on to that, I'm gonna read.

00:32:08.660 --> 00:32:13.380
So this is 2 Nephi 9 .26. For the atonement,

00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.339
satisfyeth the demands of justice upon all those

00:32:16.339 --> 00:32:18.720
who have not the law given to them, that they

00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.099
are delivered from that awful monster, death

00:32:21.099 --> 00:32:23.700
and hell. The very last sentence of that same

00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:26.940
verse. They are restored to that God who gave

00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:29.559
them breath, which is the Holy One of Israel.

00:32:29.980 --> 00:32:35.019
So if we die, we don't have the law. given and

00:32:35.019 --> 00:32:38.779
the law is actually the doctrine. If we don't

00:32:38.779 --> 00:32:41.140
have the doctrine of Christ and the scriptures

00:32:41.140 --> 00:32:44.299
and the law meaning that we haven't entered into

00:32:44.299 --> 00:32:46.240
that covenant relationship and we've never had

00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:50.339
that opportunity to do so, we're covered because

00:32:50.339 --> 00:32:53.039
of the atonement of Jesus Christ. This is another

00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.259
beautiful point is that those who die without

00:32:56.259 --> 00:32:59.440
the law, are saved. Because we have a merciful

00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.740
God. We have a God that understands circumstance.

00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.359
He understands the conditions that we're born

00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.599
into. He understands that. Yeah. Yeah. And he

00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:13.599
loves all of his children. Now, Deb, for our

00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:19.339
third unconditional effect, it is that all are

00:33:19.339 --> 00:33:23.400
touched by the fall and all are touched by the

00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:27.920
atonement of Jesus Christ. Thank goodness. So

00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:30.900
what does this mean? Well, we're in a fallen

00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:36.720
world, and we all experience pain, and injustice,

00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:43.119
and separation, and sorrow, grief. We experience

00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.799
all kinds of things because of the fall. Injury,

00:33:46.980 --> 00:33:53.759
health. And because we all are affected by the

00:33:53.759 --> 00:34:00.640
fall, we need depend upon a Savior. If I didn't

00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.740
know about the Atonement of Jesus Christ, I don't

00:34:03.740 --> 00:34:06.640
know that this life would be that worth living.

00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.980
It's hard and there's hard things that a lot

00:34:09.980 --> 00:34:13.019
of people carry, a lot of burdens and a lot of

00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:16.199
sorrow and grief and without having any ounce

00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.059
of hope that there is something better waiting

00:34:19.059 --> 00:34:23.300
or there is a purpose behind these challenges

00:34:23.300 --> 00:34:26.929
that we endure. I was just talking to my son

00:34:26.929 --> 00:34:28.650
this morning and he was telling me about some

00:34:28.650 --> 00:34:30.550
of the challenges he's having. He goes, but I

00:34:30.550 --> 00:34:32.030
know it's going to get better. I know it's going

00:34:32.030 --> 00:34:34.829
to get better. I mean, just having that knowing,

00:34:34.829 --> 00:34:38.750
I think helps us, you know, to be grateful for

00:34:38.750 --> 00:34:41.110
the atonement of Jesus Christ. I mean, you know,

00:34:41.110 --> 00:34:43.489
if you think about Christ's atonement, it's for

00:34:43.489 --> 00:34:47.190
everyone, even if they don't know it. It is for

00:34:47.190 --> 00:34:50.530
absolutely everyone. He is not picking and choosing

00:34:50.530 --> 00:34:56.679
who is a Christian, who is whatever. This fallen

00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:00.920
world and this atonement of Jesus Christ is for

00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.800
literally every human being, every child of God

00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.800
that enters this planet. I think that this is

00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.380
really kind of where the rubber starts hitting

00:35:10.380 --> 00:35:12.940
the road for us, right? Is where, you know, we're

00:35:12.940 --> 00:35:15.320
all touched by the fall. Everyone else, and we've

00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.579
spent a few episodes talking about that. We spent

00:35:17.579 --> 00:35:19.679
a ton of time talking about this in our Institute

00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:23.199
class at BYU recently. And this is really an

00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.280
important concept for us to understand and grasp

00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.559
as fully as we can is that we're all fallen.

00:35:28.900 --> 00:35:30.940
We're all affected. We're all touched by the

00:35:30.940 --> 00:35:34.460
fall of Adam and Eve. And some of that, much

00:35:34.460 --> 00:35:38.730
of that is... Negative, negative effects of the

00:35:38.730 --> 00:35:41.710
fall. But we're all touched by the atonement.

00:35:41.869 --> 00:35:44.469
I love that you talk about how the fall is universal.

00:35:44.650 --> 00:35:46.230
Well, guess what? So it's the atonement of Jesus

00:35:46.230 --> 00:35:48.969
Christ. It's universal. Not only is it universal,

00:35:49.050 --> 00:35:53.809
it's infinite. And so because of the atonement

00:35:53.809 --> 00:35:56.690
of Jesus Christ, the things that affect us because

00:35:56.690 --> 00:36:00.610
of the fall will be answered. And in many cases,

00:36:00.710 --> 00:36:03.130
and already have been answered, and we'll read

00:36:03.130 --> 00:36:05.590
later from Elder Kieran, that they are indeed

00:36:05.590 --> 00:36:07.949
already being answered, probably ahead of our

00:36:07.949 --> 00:36:11.730
even qualifying for the blessings that come from

00:36:11.730 --> 00:36:14.940
the redemption of those things. It also reminded

00:36:14.940 --> 00:36:19.679
me of a talk from D. Todd Christofferson given

00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.579
in April of 2013, and this is a quote from that

00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:26.300
talk. Through the atonement, the Savior also

00:36:26.300 --> 00:36:30.360
heals and compensates us for any suffering we

00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.059
innocently endure. You know, again, it's for

00:36:34.059 --> 00:36:38.920
all of us. We're all affected on both sides,

00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:45.409
and we're benefited on both sides. We know that,

00:36:45.409 --> 00:36:49.170
for example, death, physical death is one of

00:36:49.170 --> 00:36:51.070
the things that come to us because of the fall

00:36:51.070 --> 00:36:54.090
of Adam and Eve. That's one of the unconditional

00:36:54.090 --> 00:36:56.469
effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ, Deb,

00:36:56.489 --> 00:36:59.690
is resurrection. We will all be resurrected.

00:36:59.989 --> 00:37:04.510
We will all return to that God who gave us life

00:37:04.510 --> 00:37:07.369
to be judged. And every knee shall bow and every

00:37:07.369 --> 00:37:11.150
tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ. I love

00:37:11.150 --> 00:37:14.369
that scripture. So we so we know that that's

00:37:14.369 --> 00:37:17.409
one of the ways the conditional or the unconditional

00:37:17.409 --> 00:37:19.769
effects of the fall or the the effects of the

00:37:19.769 --> 00:37:21.750
fall. I'm just going to leave it that because

00:37:21.750 --> 00:37:24.949
of the that the effects of the fall are offset

00:37:24.949 --> 00:37:31.039
all. That that. that physical death is offset

00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.599
because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:35.820
which then makes the resurrection available.

00:37:36.099 --> 00:37:38.380
Every one of us will be resurrected. I remember

00:37:38.380 --> 00:37:42.719
going to a funeral of a lady that her son did

00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.320
not believe. He just thought that this is the

00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:48.380
end, that he will never see his mom again. And

00:37:48.380 --> 00:37:51.519
I wept watching him. And I just kept thinking,

00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.500
one day you're going to have such a sweet reunion.

00:37:55.739 --> 00:37:58.829
One of these days you will see. that we do have

00:37:58.829 --> 00:38:01.969
a merciful God that will bring your mom and bring

00:38:01.969 --> 00:38:04.590
you back into your mom's arms. What a tender,

00:38:04.769 --> 00:38:07.210
tender, tender mercy. Yeah, and I think that

00:38:07.210 --> 00:38:10.570
we all have, you know, some story or stories

00:38:10.570 --> 00:38:13.309
or experiences in our lives that we can relate

00:38:13.309 --> 00:38:17.489
to this too. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Well, you

00:38:17.489 --> 00:38:22.110
know, we know that it gives us a resurrection.

00:38:22.289 --> 00:38:26.150
It also helps us to overcome or heal from injustices.

00:38:26.869 --> 00:38:29.809
Right. We also know that it gives us the power

00:38:29.809 --> 00:38:34.510
to overcome sin against us You know when we talk

00:38:34.510 --> 00:38:36.409
about the atonement of Jesus Christ, we can really

00:38:36.409 --> 00:38:42.110
break down Jesus's blessings to us in Under three

00:38:42.110 --> 00:38:45.010
real categories, right? The first one being the

00:38:45.010 --> 00:38:47.269
redeeming blessings that come to us from Jesus

00:38:47.269 --> 00:38:49.440
through his atonement And we understand that,

00:38:49.460 --> 00:38:51.360
and we're going to continue to talk about that

00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.440
throughout the entirety of this season of the

00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.000
podcast. It's the redemption that comes because

00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.960
of His Atonement. Because He redeems us. Because

00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.030
He redeems us. How does He redeem us? Through

00:39:04.030 --> 00:39:05.309
the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Through His blood.

00:39:05.369 --> 00:39:07.389
Through His blood, yes. That's right. We are

00:39:07.389 --> 00:39:09.829
redeemed through His blood. So that's the first,

00:39:09.929 --> 00:39:11.989
that's one. They're not in any particular order.

00:39:12.010 --> 00:39:13.909
The second one that I'm gonna mention are enabling

00:39:13.909 --> 00:39:16.090
and strengthening powers that come to us because

00:39:16.090 --> 00:39:18.150
of Christ and His Atonement. He helps us do things

00:39:18.150 --> 00:39:20.789
that we would not be otherwise able to do at

00:39:20.789 --> 00:39:23.610
all. Abling and strengthening, right? Yes, absolutely.

00:39:23.610 --> 00:39:27.389
And that's exactly what it is. The power to overcome

00:39:27.389 --> 00:39:29.510
sin against us, the power to overcome our own

00:39:29.510 --> 00:39:33.070
sin, the power to overcome anything is part of

00:39:33.070 --> 00:39:36.190
that enabling and strengthening blessings that

00:39:36.190 --> 00:39:39.510
come from Jesus through his atonement. I have

00:39:39.510 --> 00:39:42.010
a really sacred experience about that when I

00:39:42.010 --> 00:39:45.829
went into the temple one time and I was at a

00:39:45.829 --> 00:39:48.809
point in my life, this was before I was married

00:39:48.809 --> 00:39:55.409
to you, and life had just been, it felt like

00:39:55.409 --> 00:39:57.650
life had just handed me a really crummy hand

00:39:57.650 --> 00:40:03.079
and I was I was pretty beaten down and I was

00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:07.840
in despair. I was like in, and I just remember

00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.000
thinking, I need to go to the temple. I need

00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.280
to find peace because there is absolutely no

00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:16.639
one, no thing that is going to bring me peace

00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.519
right now because of stuff that was going on

00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.780
in my life to me, around me, all of that. And

00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:28.000
I just felt like physically, mentally, emotionally,

00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:32.599
I was beaten down. And I remember walking into

00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:38.519
the Mount Timpanogos temple and I felt like there

00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.699
was a boulder literally just pushing me down.

00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.559
I'm sure my shoulders were hunched. I was just

00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:51.559
so heavily burdened with my story so hard. And

00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.179
I remember sitting in the endowment And I just

00:40:55.179 --> 00:40:57.099
kept saying, only father, I don't know what to

00:40:57.099 --> 00:40:58.800
do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what

00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:03.139
to do. And I finally get to the celestial room

00:41:03.139 --> 00:41:10.559
and there's this overwhelming piece that flooded

00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.860
my soul clear to the fleshy tables of my heart.

00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:21.300
And I, I remember just feeling like, my lungs

00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:25.059
opening up more, I felt like the burden on my

00:41:25.059 --> 00:41:30.900
shoulders and on my head were lifted. And I can't

00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:32.900
give you the timeframe that I sat in that room

00:41:32.900 --> 00:41:37.159
and wept and pleaded and thanked, but it was

00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.920
definitely a long period of time. And I remember

00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.300
walking after, you know, the session, I put my

00:41:43.300 --> 00:41:46.340
clothes on and walked out of that temple and

00:41:46.340 --> 00:41:49.480
I looked up at the sky and I just thought, I

00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:54.500
am a completely different person than I was a

00:41:54.500 --> 00:41:58.000
few hours ago when I walked into this holy place.

00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:03.679
I literally watched and felt and saw the miracle

00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:08.199
of a changed heart, that compensatory, that enabling

00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:12.980
and that strengthening because my story had not

00:42:12.980 --> 00:42:15.320
changed when I walked out of there. I still had

00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.960
the exact same thing going on in my life. But

00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:23.320
he changed me and he strengthened me and he gave

00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:27.300
me the power to continue forward in my challenges.

00:42:27.300 --> 00:42:30.679
And it wasn't easy. But I will never forget that

00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:33.460
miracle that I endured. And I think I literally

00:42:33.460 --> 00:42:36.440
said out loud, if my grandma was resurrected

00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.519
right now and came up and walked up to me, I

00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.980
wouldn't be more shocked because that was the

00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:44.539
miracle that I had experienced. It was such a

00:42:44.539 --> 00:42:49.719
tender, tender mercy, a tangible evidence that

00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:55.559
his atonement enables and empowers. The turmoil,

00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:01.059
the confusion, the the storms in your life. None

00:43:01.059 --> 00:43:03.380
of that had changed. None of it. It was still

00:43:03.380 --> 00:43:07.260
there. Yep. So what had changed was? My heart.

00:43:07.420 --> 00:43:11.739
He changed me. He literally changed me. And he

00:43:11.739 --> 00:43:16.659
gave me that strength. And he empowered me. And

00:43:16.659 --> 00:43:21.300
by aligning your will with his, his will is for

00:43:21.300 --> 00:43:23.880
you to be in connection with him. And that can

00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.690
look different things, right? Yeah. like going

00:43:26.690 --> 00:43:29.210
to the temple and it may look like partaking

00:43:29.210 --> 00:43:31.289
and it may look of the sacrament it may look

00:43:31.289 --> 00:43:33.269
like serving and you're one of your ministering

00:43:33.269 --> 00:43:35.650
brothers or sisters and it may look like helping

00:43:35.650 --> 00:43:38.510
somebody and it may look like helping a homeless

00:43:38.510 --> 00:43:41.369
person and it may look help you know all of these

00:43:41.369 --> 00:43:47.079
things are what allow us to align with what blessings

00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:50.280
are already there for us. And I find that too,

00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:54.699
I absolutely do not want to diminish the blessings

00:43:54.699 --> 00:43:57.260
and the power, the absolute power that can come

00:43:57.260 --> 00:43:59.780
by temple attendance and temple worship. But

00:43:59.780 --> 00:44:02.820
for those of us who aren't quite maybe ready

00:44:02.820 --> 00:44:05.619
for that yet, or maybe who don't quite qualify

00:44:05.619 --> 00:44:07.760
for that yet, or maybe who aren't, we've got

00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.199
a lot of younger listeners now, Deb, but for

00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:13.780
maybe a lot of those who aren't at the age to

00:44:13.780 --> 00:44:18.420
maybe enter into that endowment covenant relationship,

00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.679
etc. Yet, those blessings are available. Well,

00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:24.960
I think it's important to know that where we

00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.139
seek Him, He will meet us. Well, that's true.

00:44:27.500 --> 00:44:31.380
I mean, it's not a place. At that day, it happened

00:44:31.380 --> 00:44:34.019
to be a place. Well, but that place is set apart.

00:44:34.139 --> 00:44:37.460
for that for sure for sure but I could give you

00:44:37.460 --> 00:44:41.039
other examples of times that I have sought him

00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:43.320
and you know at the end of the episode I always

00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.699
say he meets us in our mess I have numerous stories

00:44:46.699 --> 00:44:50.960
to tell you he meets me in my mess anytime there's

00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:54.440
a mess and I plead and I cry out to him he meets

00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.380
me in my mess so there's the condition All I

00:44:57.380 --> 00:44:59.840
have to do is align with it. You align with it

00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:03.179
by crying out to him, by whatever else you just

00:45:03.179 --> 00:45:06.039
said, right? And I think that is the way we should

00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:07.980
align with him. I think it's the same for me.

00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:10.800
For sure. But it's about aligning with those

00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:13.500
blessings that are already available to us, not

00:45:13.500 --> 00:45:16.000
earning them. Right, right. That was going to

00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.639
be my question. What did you do to earn that

00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:23.260
relief that day, Deb? I think just by aligning

00:45:23.260 --> 00:45:27.420
with him. I think by seeking him, I think by

00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:30.239
just throwing my hands in the air saying, I can't,

00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:33.699
but I know you can, and I need you to today because

00:45:33.699 --> 00:45:37.340
it's heavy and it's hard. And it's - And I know

00:45:37.340 --> 00:45:39.679
it's semantics, but that's - For sure. You didn't

00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:43.320
earn it. Yeah. None of us earned it. But I aligned

00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:47.309
with it. Right. Yep. Redemption's free. Salvation's

00:45:47.309 --> 00:45:49.429
free. I mean, I say but. But I aligned with it.

00:45:49.530 --> 00:45:50.929
And I aligned with it. Yes. And I aligned with

00:45:50.929 --> 00:45:53.730
it. Right. For sure. Because I don't know what

00:45:53.730 --> 00:45:56.070
would have happened had I not made that effort.

00:45:56.210 --> 00:45:58.269
This isn't something that I planned to talk about,

00:45:58.409 --> 00:46:01.010
but if we can turn to Doctrine and Covenants,

00:46:01.289 --> 00:46:05.869
section 88, verse 33, this is really what it,

00:46:05.989 --> 00:46:08.590
for me, this is really kind of the differentiator

00:46:08.590 --> 00:46:10.670
in what we're talking about here. Did you earn

00:46:10.670 --> 00:46:13.349
it? Is it really a gift? After all, that's what

00:46:13.349 --> 00:46:16.610
the word endowment means. This is in 88, section

00:46:16.610 --> 00:46:21.110
88, verse 33. Four, what doth it profit a man

00:46:21.110 --> 00:46:24.090
if a gift is bestowed upon him and he received

00:46:24.090 --> 00:46:27.829
not the gift? You just went there that day to

00:46:27.829 --> 00:46:32.369
receive, Deb. I sure did. To receive the gift.

00:46:32.750 --> 00:46:36.530
Behold, he rejoices not in that which is given

00:46:36.530 --> 00:46:40.010
unto him, neither rejoices in him who is the

00:46:40.010 --> 00:46:43.769
giver of the gift. So if a gift's bestowed upon

00:46:43.769 --> 00:46:46.710
us and we don't receive that gift, Deb, it can't

00:46:46.710 --> 00:46:49.809
profit us. So I think that, you know, oftentimes

00:46:49.809 --> 00:46:53.469
we talk about earning His grace, earning His

00:46:53.469 --> 00:46:56.909
blessings, earning this and earning that, when

00:46:56.909 --> 00:47:00.730
I think maybe if we changed it to receiving His

00:47:00.730 --> 00:47:04.670
grace. I always go to the football analogy. I

00:47:04.670 --> 00:47:07.389
love that you're bringing this up. I really do.

00:47:08.150 --> 00:47:12.139
I mean, and I've taught this. I can throw a ball

00:47:12.139 --> 00:47:15.380
all day long, but if I don't have a receiver,

00:47:15.940 --> 00:47:19.360
all I'm doing is throwing a ball, and it's landing

00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.699
uselessly. Literally, it's just a ball falling

00:47:22.699 --> 00:47:24.739
on the ground. And I think one day soon we're

00:47:24.739 --> 00:47:27.320
gonna talk about what it means to receive, but

00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.440
that's a perfect analogy, Dev. I love that. But

00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:32.960
it's true. It's real for me. It's a tangible

00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.420
learning thing for my brain. This is one of the

00:47:35.420 --> 00:47:37.679
reasons I love my wife so much is her analogies

00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:40.019
are often sports analogies. It's really cool

00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:41.260
for me. Well, I was raised with six brothers.

00:47:41.619 --> 00:47:45.579
And I thank every one of them. And a dad who

00:47:45.579 --> 00:47:48.500
played football. Yeah, that's true. All -American

00:47:48.500 --> 00:47:51.340
almost, right? Yeah, I think that we've talked

00:47:51.340 --> 00:47:54.300
about to the all of the unconditional effects

00:47:54.300 --> 00:47:57.880
of the Atonement of Jesus Christ how they offset

00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.159
both of the effects of all of the effects of

00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.099
the fall Both that come both from spiritual death

00:48:03.099 --> 00:48:06.340
and physical death, right? I think next week

00:48:06.340 --> 00:48:09.960
we'll get into the conditional effects of the

00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:11.760
atonement of Jesus Christ in this, you know gang

00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:16.369
this is where For those of us who desire a deeper

00:48:16.369 --> 00:48:18.570
and I think it eventually is for all of us But

00:48:18.570 --> 00:48:22.070
for those of us who desire a deeper we began

00:48:22.070 --> 00:48:26.289
this episode talking about relationships a deeper

00:48:26.289 --> 00:48:29.889
relationship a more true relationship a relationship

00:48:29.889 --> 00:48:35.230
that you can fully trust and and Engage in that

00:48:35.230 --> 00:48:37.369
type of relationship. That's what we're talking

00:48:37.369 --> 00:48:39.969
about next week. We're going to talk about the

00:48:39.969 --> 00:48:42.750
conditional effects How do I qualify for the

00:48:42.750 --> 00:48:45.670
conditional? effects of the atonement of Jesus

00:48:45.670 --> 00:48:47.570
Christ. So let's just talk about maybe we can.

00:48:47.570 --> 00:48:49.949
Wait, you told me I didn't qualify. I didn't

00:48:49.949 --> 00:48:52.570
qualify, you didn't earn. Earn, okay. There's

00:48:52.570 --> 00:48:55.590
a difference. Okay. Yeah. Qualify and earn, okay.

00:48:55.690 --> 00:48:58.610
Yeah, yeah. Big difference. Qualify, we just

00:48:58.610 --> 00:49:01.269
align with. Earn means, that means. I did it.

00:49:01.449 --> 00:49:04.889
By my merit. Yeah, yeah, I get that. Okay, okay.

00:49:05.510 --> 00:49:07.460
I'm glad you brought that up. And I'm probably

00:49:07.460 --> 00:49:09.039
not going to cut that. I was going to say you

00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:10.400
can cut that out. No, I'm probably not going

00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.739
to cut that because if you wondered about that,

00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:14.539
then maybe some of our listeners did too. So

00:49:14.539 --> 00:49:15.860
I'm just going to leave that in there. But let's

00:49:15.860 --> 00:49:18.579
just I'm going to just kind of tease next week's

00:49:18.579 --> 00:49:21.880
episode about the conditional effects of overcoming

00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.199
the fall of Adam and Eve and the conditional

00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:26.599
effects that are available to us through Christ's

00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:28.860
Atonement. The first one is spiritual rebirth.

00:49:29.420 --> 00:49:31.599
That's going to be a fun one to talk about. And

00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:35.139
that spiritual rebirth is really where we are

00:49:35.139 --> 00:49:38.059
a brand new creature. for those of us and my

00:49:38.059 --> 00:49:41.480
hands raised armpit showing for those of us who

00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:45.480
have a deep desire to be somebody something different

00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:48.559
it requires rebirth and it's that change that

00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:52.139
i talked about earlier to allow him to change

00:49:52.139 --> 00:49:55.980
our hearts that spiritual rebirth that allows

00:49:55.980 --> 00:49:59.940
him now to be him being Jesus to now be the father

00:49:59.940 --> 00:50:02.599
of our spirits. This is why I don't like the

00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:07.480
big brother context. He's the father of my spirit.

00:50:07.619 --> 00:50:10.019
He's my God. He's not my big brother. I mean,

00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:13.199
I get all that. But anyway, side note. And then

00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.139
we're going to talk about perfection through

00:50:15.139 --> 00:50:18.400
Christ or being completed through Christ or being

00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:22.440
brought onto him and all things that are not

00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:25.539
like him being removed through from him through

00:50:25.539 --> 00:50:28.380
Christ, okay? And then we're going to talk about

00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:31.599
eternal life with God, what all that means, the

00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.719
order of the resurrections. Again, so we're all

00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:36.760
going to be resurrected, but the order of the

00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:40.000
resurrection is dependent. on our qualifying

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:43.280
for the conditional blessings that come to us

00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.440
through Christ's atonement. Not earning, qualifying.

00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:47.260
That's right. We're going to talk about that.

00:50:47.539 --> 00:50:49.179
And then we're going to talk about the various

00:50:49.179 --> 00:50:53.519
degrees of glory and power that are all available

00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.380
to us through His atonement, through the effects

00:50:57.380 --> 00:51:00.940
of His atonement. So Deb, do you have an invitation

00:51:00.940 --> 00:51:06.539
today? Personally, I like to take an inventory.

00:51:07.680 --> 00:51:10.840
and just just kind of self -reflect personal

00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:13.199
inventory I guess is what I call it but what

00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.360
if I mean just ask yourself what if the atonement

00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:20.159
of Christ is already working in ways that you

00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.139
haven't even noticed And think about, I mean,

00:51:23.139 --> 00:51:25.920
just like that day I entered the temple, I did

00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:29.179
not understand what was happening until after

00:51:29.179 --> 00:51:32.340
it had actually happened. And I still reflect

00:51:32.340 --> 00:51:35.500
on that day and it still changes my heart. Even

00:51:35.500 --> 00:51:37.320
telling that story, it changes my heart. Well,

00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.639
it changes my heart to hear that story too. So

00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.079
there's power in that as well. It definitely

00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:46.239
changed me. And what if your faith isn't about

00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:49.739
chasing healing? but catching up to the healing

00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:52.780
that is already going on, that's already underway.

00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:57.039
What if your faith isn't about chasing healing,

00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.780
but like catching up to the healing that's already

00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:03.320
in motion, already underway? When I think about

00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:05.239
applying the atonement, and gang, I've been sober

00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.380
26 years and I've been trying to work this thing

00:52:07.380 --> 00:52:11.289
pretty hard. For most of that let's just put

00:52:11.289 --> 00:52:13.289
it that way for most of that, but I've never

00:52:13.289 --> 00:52:16.130
thought of that before Deb I have always been

00:52:16.130 --> 00:52:19.269
the one chasing my healing I've always been the

00:52:19.269 --> 00:52:21.730
one I need this healed in my life. How am I gonna

00:52:21.730 --> 00:52:24.610
heal? How am I gonna allow him? Let me rephrase

00:52:24.610 --> 00:52:27.510
that How am I going to allow him my higher power

00:52:27.510 --> 00:52:31.670
Jesus Christ to heal that? So what you're talking

00:52:31.670 --> 00:52:33.769
about kind of goes back to last week's episode

00:52:33.769 --> 00:52:36.670
when we talked about faith in him. Yeah, absolutely.

00:52:36.869 --> 00:52:40.090
A little bit of faith in him helps us to understand

00:52:40.090 --> 00:52:42.289
the effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ,

00:52:42.530 --> 00:52:44.429
conditional and unconditional. And so when you'd

00:52:44.429 --> 00:52:47.730
say, what if it isn't about chasing healing?

00:52:48.349 --> 00:52:50.869
But what did you say? Catching? I said, what

00:52:50.869 --> 00:52:54.929
if your faith isn't about chasing healing, but

00:52:54.929 --> 00:52:58.320
catching up? To the healing catching up to the

00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:00.800
healing already that's already that's already

00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.000
underway. That's already going on So it's already

00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:06.619
there for us is what yours I just got chills

00:53:06.619 --> 00:53:09.559
over my whole body. So What you're saying is

00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:11.739
instead of chasing my healing? What if I'm just

00:53:11.739 --> 00:53:13.619
trying to catch up for the healing? That's already

00:53:13.619 --> 00:53:16.760
been through his tender mercy laid before me.

00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:20.599
Yes I love that and I love you. I love you. That's

00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.639
so cool. I love that so much way to go. That's

00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:28.360
so cool Well, listen gang, we haven't really

00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.400
gotten into all of the, haven't at all gotten

00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:33.840
into all of the effects of the atonement of Jesus

00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:36.739
Christ. My invitation to you would be this week,

00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:40.300
maybe just to identify where you can see the

00:53:40.300 --> 00:53:43.059
healing that's taken place. You know, you keep

00:53:43.059 --> 00:53:45.239
a personal inventory, I do that too. We both

00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.559
have this practice in our life and I think that

00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:51.119
they originated from the same source, recovery

00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:55.840
places. You know, I think that this is a good

00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:58.420
time for us to begin again to take those personal

00:53:58.420 --> 00:54:01.860
inventories Because I think it's him and pray

00:54:01.860 --> 00:54:05.159
and ask for you know guidance I think all also

00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:08.440
I have to pray to help me to have the ice to

00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:11.480
see there you go You know, I it's it doesn't

00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:13.900
always just show up in my face Sometimes I'm

00:54:13.900 --> 00:54:15.960
you know buried in that forest and I can't see

00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:18.119
any trees That's exactly what I was gonna say

00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:20.639
when you went to the temple that day you prepared

00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:24.559
yourself to receive the gift I was hoping to

00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.179
receive anything. You got in a dress, you're

00:54:27.179 --> 00:54:29.619
already pretty, but you got even prettier. You

00:54:29.619 --> 00:54:34.380
went to the temple, and you participated in ordinances

00:54:34.380 --> 00:54:38.280
that are important to you. You prepared yourself,

00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.239
and there is some preparation required for all

00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:43.880
of us in that. And so we just prepare the best

00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:47.880
way that we can, and we look for where the atonement,

00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:49.679
the effects of the atonement of Jesus Christ

00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.280
have already been at work in our lives. And I

00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.500
think even exercising faith that he would do

00:54:55.500 --> 00:54:59.340
something if I entered his house. Which is a

00:54:59.340 --> 00:55:01.440
lot easier to do if we have a relationship with

00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:04.739
him. Exactly. If we have that, we're going to

00:55:04.739 --> 00:55:07.519
stress relationship for some of you, it will

00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:13.039
be ad nauseum. But this is the whole emphasis,

00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:16.559
the whole point behind the podcast is a relationship.

00:55:16.940 --> 00:55:20.429
Yep. with deity first with each other because

00:55:20.429 --> 00:55:23.730
of our relationship with deity for eternity next

00:55:23.730 --> 00:55:26.250
but as we close today we just want to say that

00:55:26.250 --> 00:55:28.210
wherever you are and however you're feeling you're

00:55:28.210 --> 00:55:30.409
welcome to be here with us you know jesus isn't

00:55:30.409 --> 00:55:32.809
just waiting for you to clean your act up before

00:55:32.809 --> 00:55:36.210
you come to him no he meets us again in the middle

00:55:36.210 --> 00:55:39.789
of our mess why have we have examples of that

00:55:39.789 --> 00:55:43.869
and that's where his grace shines the very brightest

00:55:43.869 --> 00:55:47.050
he's waiting for us he just says Just come, you

00:55:47.050 --> 00:55:50.170
know, ask me. So come as you are, broken, hopeful,

00:55:50.389 --> 00:55:52.829
questioning, searching. You really are not alone.

00:55:54.030 --> 00:55:55.710
You know what, Gang 2, we'd really love to stay

00:55:55.710 --> 00:55:58.010
connected with you. We appreciate the emails

00:55:58.010 --> 00:55:59.929
and the encouragement and all that that we've

00:55:59.929 --> 00:56:02.050
received. You can continue to send those to us

00:56:02.050 --> 00:56:06.630
at he redeems us at gmail dot com. He redeems.

00:56:06.780 --> 00:56:09.820
us at gmo .com we read everyone you know if you

00:56:09.820 --> 00:56:12.260
have questions or or maybe comments or maybe

00:56:12.260 --> 00:56:14.099
there's something that you're wrestling with

00:56:14.099 --> 00:56:16.940
that we're talking about um if it's appropriate

00:56:16.940 --> 00:56:19.340
we'd love to share it and wrestle with it together

00:56:19.340 --> 00:56:21.659
because if you're wrestling somebody else is

00:56:21.659 --> 00:56:23.780
too so that would benefit others as well we probably

00:56:23.780 --> 00:56:26.800
are too yeah that's true or have at least yeah

00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.400
it's true yeah well if this episode has touched

00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.719
your heart we hope that you'll share it with

00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:34.019
someone you love and care about a friend a family

00:56:34.019 --> 00:56:36.500
member anyone who could use a little more hope

00:56:36.500 --> 00:56:40.579
right now. We, you know, we love to share hope.

00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:42.579
Yeah, we all need hope. All of us. There's a

00:56:42.579 --> 00:56:44.380
lot of power and hope, right? Yeah, you know,

00:56:44.460 --> 00:56:46.179
next week, we're going to talk continue this

00:56:46.179 --> 00:56:47.559
discussion, we're going to talk about how he

00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:50.739
doesn't just redeem us, obviously, he compensates

00:56:50.739 --> 00:56:53.440
us, he enables us, he strengthen us, he heals

00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:57.639
us, he lifts us, he transforms us in our everyday

00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:01.659
lives, our everyday lives. The joy and gratitude

00:57:01.659 --> 00:57:04.400
I have for that. Thanks for being with us, everyone.

00:57:04.659 --> 00:57:07.719
And remember, there is always hope through him

00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:11.059
because you have been redeemed through his blood.

00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:13.599
We love you. We hope that you'll continue to

00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:15.659
listen. We hope that you'll share this with those

00:57:15.659 --> 00:57:17.760
that you love. We'll see you next time.