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Hey there everybody, welcome out to another episode

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of Redeemed Through His Blood, Scott Durfey here

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as always joined by my beautiful co -host and

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partner for eternity. How are you, Deb? I'm so

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good. I just had a steak and a potato. I'm epic.

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Not much vegan about you, I guess. That's for

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sure. Yeah, it was pretty good. We're excited

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to get together again tonight and talk about

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the stuff that we're going to be talking about.

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We had another wonderful institute lesson last

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week. Deb's healing up quite nicely from her

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motorcycle accident a couple of weeks ago. I'm

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all healed. Pretty much all healed. She's still

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got a ways to go. Anyway, thanks everybody for

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your emails. We got several of them in response

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to last week's episode requesting specifically

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the list of the potential weapons of rebellion.

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And again, this is not a all comprehensive list.

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It's just kind of a... I don't know, what do

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you call it, Deb? Thought provoker, right? Thought

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provoker, yeah, that's a good way to put it.

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It just kind of gets you thinking about maybe

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where some of the weapons of rebellion lay in

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your life, et cetera. So you can continue to

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do that, please. And if you didn't and still

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would like a copy of that, please email us at

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gmail .com we read everyone if you have questions

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we'll be happy to try and answer those via email

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if it's something we feel like would be pertinent

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with your permission we sometimes like to share

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those on the podcast as well you may have noticed

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also many of you have been on social media and

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seen our accounts both on instagram and facebook

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we encourage you we put stuff on there all the

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time that kind of promote and thought, thought

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provoking things and things that kind of help

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us throughout the week to center our thoughts

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on the Savior Jesus Christ and the solution to

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all of our fallenness, which we all experience

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undoubtedly. Hey, and while you're there, if

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you wouldn't mind just liking it and subscribing,

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do that the same with the podcast. Several of

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you have left recent reviews and we appreciate

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those. If you could continue to do that, that

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just kind of helps get the word out. We do a

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lot of work. We put a lot of work into this,

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and it is our wish and desire to carry this hope,

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the same hope that Deb and I have been afforded

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through the atonement of Jesus Christ. It's our

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wish and desire to just take that to as many

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people as are willing to receive it. And this

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really is a labor of love. There is no, absolutely

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no monetization or anything like that for this

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podcast. It will remain forever that way. But

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we do that because this is a labor of love. and

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we have felt our Heavenly Father's love through

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our own healings and our own journey and the

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process which we're still in of our own conversion

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and it's just our wish and desire to carry that

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to as many people as possible. Well Deb, last

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week we really explored in some detail this idea

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about burying our weapons of rebellion. We used

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Alma 23 kind of as our, I don't know, the meat

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if you will, or the... I don't know, impetus

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behind all of our discussion were the anti -Nephi

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Lehi's out of their own covenant with Heavenly

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Father, buried weapons of rebellion. And because

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they did that, they were converted unto the Lord

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and never did fall away, which was, and that's

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all in Alma 23. We spent a lot of time on that.

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I always wanna bring up the part when they were

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converted unto the Lord, but God also gave them

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miracles. I know I keep bringing that up. Well,

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that was part of their conversion process, huh?

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Yes, yes. And you know what? I will say this.

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If we have eyes to see, we will see miracles.

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Just like this quick healing has felt like a

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miracle to me. Yeah, referring to your motorcycle

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accident healing. Yes, absolutely. And I think

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those are things that help my conversion is having

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eyes to see those miracles. Yeah. Well, and as

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you said it, if we will have eyes to see it,

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it can be a choice. You know, it can be an intention.

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We can intend it to intend to see the miracles

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in our lives and they'll be there. And in fact,

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many of them are in deed there already. Right.

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So a couple of the things that we talked about,

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and I'm just kind of doing a recap of the last

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couple of weeks when we'll get into today's topic,

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but a couple of the things that we really kind

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of talked about from a high level, Deb, we talked

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about that rebellion isn't really just an act

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of defiance. It can be kind of subtle. We talked

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about some more of the subtle type of, I think

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you brought up the talk from Elder Christopherson

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on rebellion. In fact, I think it was entitled

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Bearing Weapons of Rebellion, if I'm not mistaken.

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And in it, he identified, you pointed this out

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to us, he identified a more passive rebellion

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in addition to a more active rebellion. And in

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that more passive rebellion, I think that that's

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one of the places where many of our rebellions

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just kinda hide out. Yeah, for sure. And then

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one of the things that we talked about a couple

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of weeks ago, we talked about our fallen state.

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We talked about how because we were fallen, and

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this pulled through into last week's and it will

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again into this week's discussion as well, but

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because we are fallen, we have tendencies. and

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we read about this in Mosiah, we'll be revisiting

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that, that the natural man is an enemy to God.

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We have tendencies that are rebellion. Now, we

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talked about state versus trait a few weeks ago

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in terms of the fall of Adam and Eve. We are

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in a fallen state, but that's not our traits.

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Our traits are our DNA, our RNA, just who we

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are. And we are, our traits all come from God,

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all come from divinity. Just like we are not

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our story. Right. We are not our mistakes. I

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heard a podcast, you turned me on to a podcast.

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Oh my word, it was so good. In that podcast,

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I heard a statement that said, I may butchert

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and if I do, feel free to correct me, we are

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not the worst thing that we have done. I loved

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that. Yeah. Yeah, because how many times... for

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me, have I put that label on myself, I am, and

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whatever it was that I did or was going through

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or what had happened to me or whatever. But I

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had picked up those labels. And that speaks directly

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to state versus trait. You're in a fallen state.

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Because of this fallen state, we have tendencies

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that are fallen. But because of our traits which

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are divine, we have the ability to overcome,

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or to be forgiven for, or to find peace within

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some of those fallen states. And I think that

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really kind of encompasses what we're talking

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about when we talk about. Rebellion and weapons

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specifically weapons of rebellion. Yeah, yeah,

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we're down here exercising our agency like crazy

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We are really exercising that agency, but aren't

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we grateful we have it I was talking to one of

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our kids yesterday or today and I Just said gosh.

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I wish I could take this from from you and they

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said why would you take it from me? Then I wouldn't

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learn anything And I was like, wow. That's good.

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That's good. At least they're focused on the

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learning part of what they're going through.

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Exactly. And you know what, I'm grateful my parents

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didn't take my learnings from me either. So.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, OK, tonight we're going to

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dive a little deeper. We're really going to,

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as Deb and I have been discussing it throughout

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the week. And this is a topic we're going to

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bump up against again in a few more weeks from

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now. Not necessarily the topic, but these two

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traits that we're going to talk about, or these

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two things that we're going to talk about. Because

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as Deb and I have been discussing, and we kind

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of at length over the last week, we've been able

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to spend quite a bit of time together and things

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like that. And we've been really talking about

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these weapons of rebellion. And we, I think,

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have kind of decided, and Deb, correct me if

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I'm wrong, And I don't think we're the only ones

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that feel this way. This isn't an original thought

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to us. But at the same time, we're not experts

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on this as well. So take that for what it is.

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But it appears to me that fear and pride are

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kind of really the root of every spiritual disconnection

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and rebellion that we ever have. Fear. and pride.

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And we've tried to dissect it. We've tried because

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there are certain things I said and you're like

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well that's fear and pride. And then we'll say

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oh that's pride and fear. So we've really tried

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to dissect it and we would love feedback from

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you if you can help us even dig a little deeper.

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But it's been an interesting exercise for us

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to discuss that in how fear and pride are definitely.

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a huge part of our rebellion. Yeah, well, you

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know, I think, and we said this, that they're

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really kind of the root of nearly every rebellion.

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And actually, you know, we can take that a step

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further and say every spiritual disconnection.

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One, semantics maybe, I guess. One could say

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it's one way or one could say it's the other

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way, but, you know, or both. Maybe that means

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the same thing, I don't know. I do know, though,

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that from what we've been talking about, especially

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as we began, we know that we are hopeless without

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a savior. We know that the Savior atoned for

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everything that we will ever go through, and

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we know that by aligning with His atonement that

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we can have healing in all of this, and we know

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that the Savior heals the root, not just the

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fruit. You know, I think last week we spent most

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of the time talking about the fruit of rebellion.

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You know, the fruit of rebellion is, and I'll

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just pull that list back up again, and I'll just

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bring up the first few that jump off the page

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at me, but addictions and anger. and gossip and

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passive aggressiveness and sexual immorality

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and dishonesty and uncontrolled spending and

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greed and idleness and avoidance of responsibility.

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And those are all fruits of rebellion. It is

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the way we're positioning it. Again, we're not

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experts, but the way we see it, the way we're

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positioning it is those are the fruits. Those

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are what come from the real rebellion. The real

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rebellion is what? Is? Fear and pride. Fear and

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pride. Yeah, so the real rebellion is fear and

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pride Because because I think basically everything

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comes from that everything that we just talked

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about So why would we want to be talking about

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fear and pride? Well, I think it is it kind of

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integrates with you know what we talked about

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last week about rebellion and you know it's not

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like I I want to hyper focus on this but I think

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it was it's important for us to focus on because

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as I reflect and again put the mirror in front

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of my face take my own inventory I had I definitely

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have learned a lot just in the the dissecting

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where fear and pride really actually stand. For

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me, for me. Because literally, of all my life

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experiences, things that I have gone through,

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things that I'm going through, all have this

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basis of, when I'm uncomfortable, is it fear

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or is it pride? Literally, and I'm not being,

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I mean I hate to say this. Do you actually go

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through that process? Not every time, but if

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I push pause, yes, absolutely I do. And it's

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very interesting, and sometimes I even have to

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ask myself, what am I afraid of? Or the fear

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of what other people think is my pride question.

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Am I worshiping the God of what other people

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think? Or what am I afraid of? So fear. Fear,

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let's start with fear then. That's kind of what

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you're talking about right there, right? So let's

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just kind of define fear, the best we know how

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or the best we can for this conversation. Deb,

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what would you say, fear? It's the lack of faith,

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for sure. Yeah, right? I mean, what else would

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you need to say? But I guess there's some other

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ways that we could define it. Well, it's not

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just anxiety. Right. It's probably when we forget

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who we are and whose we are, so we're not trusting

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God and his plan, you know? Yeah, promoted by

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the accuser, of course. For sure, the accuser's

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always in there, yakking his jaw in my ear. You

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know Deb, when I think about fear, Of course,

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I think about a lot of things but I can't help

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it maybe first and foremost when I think about

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fear I think about recovery Because because that's

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where I learned about my fear because it was

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in the rooms of 12 -step programs where I actually

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began to Understand my fear the power behind

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it. I'm still trying to understand it. Don't

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you know, don't get me wrong I don't I don't

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I'm not an expert on the topic. However, I have

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a ton of experience with fear. And I find it

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interesting how frequently in the big book of

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Alcoholics Anonymous, so this is on page 67 of

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the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, and I'm

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not gonna read a ton, but just some bits and

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pieces here, but it talks about fear actually

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and pride. Now it puts it in context that when

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somebody does a fifth step, now the fifth step

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is that we make a complete moral inventory. of

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the searching and fearless moral inventory of

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ourselves. That's four. Yeah, that's four. And

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then five is we share it with others, right?

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And so this is talking about four when we actually

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talk about four. And part of that inventory is

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fear. We do a fear inventory. And it says, now

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notice that the word fear is bracketed alongside

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the difficulties. This short word somehow touches

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about every aspect of our lives. It was an evil

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and corroding thread. The fabric of our existence

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was shot through with it. It set in motion trains

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of circumstances which brought us misfortune

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we felt we didn't deserve. But did not we ourselves

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set the ball rolling? Sometimes we think fear

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ought to be classified with stealing. It seems

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to cause more trouble. And then it goes on, we

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trust infinite God rather than our finite selves.

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We are in the world to play the role he assigns

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just to the extent that we do we think he would

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have us and humbly rely on him. Does he enable

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us to match calamity with serenity? So the answer

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to our fear is to align with God And let me just

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go on one more the verdict of the ages that faith

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means courage So it talks about how faith is

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the anecdote fear all men of faith have courage.

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They trust their God We never apologize for God

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instead. We let him demonstrate Through us what

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he can do We ask him to remove our fear and direct

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our attention to what he would have us be and

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at once we commence to outgrow fear It's aligning

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our will with God, Deb. It's broken heart and

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contrite spirit. And it's right there, so. Isn't

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there something that you learned about fear and

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anger, like suppressed fear? Oh yeah, sure did.

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Remind me what it is. I'm not because I just

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remembered yeah you telling me that and I was

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like well I've never thought of that well this

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is an example of how you know we said earlier

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that some of the other rebellions like anger

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for example could be a fruit of rebellion the

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the root of my anger issue, and I no longer have

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an anger issue. No, you really don't. And you

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watch the transition, actually. I know. But the

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root of my anger issue was fear. That's right.

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Quick story about that. I was doing my inventory.

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This was not the full -blown fifth step, but

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I was doing, I was just working on some issues

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with my sponsor. Was it your anger? Yeah, it

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was my anger issue. And it was with a sponsor,

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and my anger issue was ugly. And it was mostly

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ugly for myself. A lot of anger can look a lot

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of different ways, and it was just... All anger's

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ugly, but it was affecting me, and I called my

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sponsor, Big Al, and I said to him, Al, we need

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to talk, and so we met. We met at a coffee shop

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here in Orem, Utah. That's where he liked to

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meet, and we're going through things, talking

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about things, and I'm just saying, Al, I gotta

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overcome this anger issue, and he says, well,

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give me some examples of what you're even talking

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about, and so I would. But then he'd say, okay,

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how about another one? And so I would. Okay,

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how about another one? And so I would. And so

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these would be different ones in different settings.

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One may be a road rage issue. Anyway, whatever.

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But as we talked about this, you know what he

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said to me. I know, and this is what I'm trying

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to recall. And I was like, it was so powerful

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for me to hear. But we went through this and

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he just kind of looked at it like only he could

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do. This guy was. such an incredible man but

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he would just look he kind of looked down at

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some of the things that I had written out and

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and it was just kind of quiet and he's playing

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with his mustache and then he looks up at me

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and he says Scott you don't have an anger issue

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you're just a scared little boy yeah you're just

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a scared little boy well that scared little boy

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was 50 years old at that time yeah and what how

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did you receive that I was I was so grateful

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I mean, when he said that, Devin, unfortunately,

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we were in a public place. Did you get weepy?

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I did, I broke down. I broke down, that's just

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what I do. When I know that it's right, when

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the Spirit speaks to me, I break down. And when

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he said that, I felt, it was like the first time

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I knew I was an alcoholic. When a stake president

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told me one time, Scott, you're an alcoholic.

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It didn't take me sideways, it was relief. It

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was like, oh. What a relief. Because I think

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if we identify the problem, then we can begin

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to identify and align with the solution. Yes,

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100%. I say that a lot. 100 % of the time you

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say 100%. It's true. This is just one of the

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things that's just really important for us to

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understand that when we're talking about fear,

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it's not just anxiety, it's what it is, is it's

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not trusting God. Right. either his character

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or his plan. Now when we talk about faith, we're

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gonna talk about the attributes and perfections

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of God. And we may even refer to the lectures

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on faith. And we'll be looking into that. Some

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but but what we'll find in there is that actually

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and when we talk about faith is will identify

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the Faith of power the power behind faith and

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how that power one of the powers of faith will

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extol exterminate eliminate completely eradicate

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fear think about it, when you have the spirit

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with you so strong, and think about one of those

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times in your life that you really felt connected

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to God, and that you really felt like he has

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me, he's got me, I'm his. There is a pure absence

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of fear. Pure absence of fear, yeah I love that,

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that's a great way to put it. But fear is sneaky

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sometimes. Absolutely. You know, we can be riddled

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with fear sometimes and not really even know

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it. Recognize it. How do we recognize it? How

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do we know when we're starting to move into these

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fear mechanisms, these fear problems? How does

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it show up? How does fear show up in our lives?

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Well, it's uncomfortable. First off, it's very

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uncomfortable. Yeah. I love that you and I have

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had multiple conversations on this because there's

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days I come home and I'll say certain things

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and you're like, well, what are you afraid of?

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So like my little truth meter here is like, I

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wasn't asking you for that. But it's honestly,

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you know, sometimes it clouds your view. I mean,

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my view, it clouds what I'm trying to, you know,

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see. And you know, Satan is sneaky. He is so

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cunning and he's very sneaky and he will do everything

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he can to sneak those little things in to avoid

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your prayer and scripture study and being really

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honest, honest with yourself, honest with others.

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It comes in control issues. I am a control, don't

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laugh. I am a control freak. What does that have

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to do with fear? I mean, I say that kind of rhetorically,

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but I want you to answer it, because I wanna

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stay, again, we need to think about these things,

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so what does control have to do with fear? Well,

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I want things done a certain way for fear that

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it's not gonna get done right, and for fear what

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other people might think if it's not done right.

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I will give you a, for example, if... I am putting

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flowers in my front yard. I want them done a

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certain way. Yeah, I know. Look, it's not fair

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that you sit and take my inventory. I'm not.

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I'm agreeing with the inventory you're taking.

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And along with that, I have this perfectionism.

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I mean, it's like things have to be done a certain

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way, and if it's not done a certain way, then

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I have to redo it. You know, I'm a control freak,

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too. There's a lot of things about control, but

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it's less about My control has more to do with

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people, I think. I try to be controlling. I find

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myself being controlled. Now I'm gonna take your

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inventory. It takes a lot. I try to be controlling

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with people. I try to use forceful suggestions

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sometimes. And if I think about it, okay, so

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what's my fear issue? What's the underlying fear?

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behind my rebellion of control. Control is the

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fruit, fear is the root, maybe pride too, actually.

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Yeah, actually. Rebellion is really the root.

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We'll kind of weave them together here in a minute.

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And pride and fear are probably the trunk. Exactly,

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the trunk of the tree. For me, my self -control

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fear is if I don't manage everything in my life

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or if I'm not in control of everything, it's

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gonna all fall apart. I'm pretty important, you

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know? I say that. If you don't believe him, ask

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him. Exactly, exactly. Another way it can show

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up sometimes is perfectionism. A lot of people

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think if I mess up, I'm just not worthy. If you

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come to my house and it's not... perfectly clean,

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you're gonna judge me. That pride, fear, people

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-pleasing is such a big one for me. Here's another

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one that will fall heavily into the pride one

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too, but I put it in fear because this is one

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that... has been predominant throughout my life,

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specifically, still a little bit predominant,

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but before recovery, it was extremely predominant

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in my life. And that is people pleasing, or hiding,

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hiding behind a persona. That's what I would

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do. I would hide behind a persona. I call those

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masks. Yeah, I would hide behind a mask. And

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I was pretty good at creating these masks. And

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I really do believe that most people around me

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saw the mask and believed the mask. We put on

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a facade of perfection. It has to look a certain

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way so that we can fit in and be long. And I

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mean, I remember I don't know if this is appropriate

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for me to share, but I remember when I was married

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to a drug dealer. and I didn't want my bishop

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to know, I didn't want my neighbors to know,

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but I didn't know what to do. That was not me,

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incidentally. Previous. I dealt drugs before

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I knew you. It was just one of those things that

00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.420
it's like, I don't know where to turn. I don't

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know who to ask. I don't know my safe space.

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Because I was putting on this face of I'm an

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active member and I do all these things. I have

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an inactive husband, but I sure did not want

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to expose all of the dirt that was going on.

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You were being encouraged to hide. Exactly. Exactly.

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Hide. Hide why? Because if they saw the real

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me, meaning not just divinity saw the real me,

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as was the case in the Garden of Eden, that was

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the reference I was just making. Satan encouraged

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Adam and Eve to hide after they had committed

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the transgression. Hide. And so he encourages

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us to do the same thing, hide. And for me, that's

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been a big one. Again, predominant mostly. before

00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.000
recovery, but even since recovery, there's a

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tendency sometimes, I have a tendency sometimes

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to worry about what people think of me. I think

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the biggest reason for that for me, Deb, was

00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.759
because I didn't understand my identity. Yeah,

00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:10.539
you just forgot. Yeah, well, I didn't understand

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it for sure for whatever reason, but I was afraid

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that if they saw the real me, I wouldn't have

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people in my life. Or if they saw the real me,

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they wouldn't like me, or they wouldn't approve,

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or I wouldn't be acceptable, or I wouldn't be

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accepted, you know, and all these other things.

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But it doesn't have to be that way. And it's

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not the case today as predominantly. It still

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comes up. But there's things that I have to do

00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:42.200
to keep that aside. Yeah, and there's some scriptures

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that go along with the fear. In Psalms 34, it

00:27:49.089 --> 00:27:54.029
says, I sought the Lord and He heard me and delivered

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me from all my fears. I love that because as

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we seek and as we follow Him, like I said, when

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we feel the Spirit in abundance, there's no fears.

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We know who we are and whose we are. It's definitely

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a... a comforting, calming place. And it's that

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remembering. I tell the Institute kids that when

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we come down here, we're dismembered from God.

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We're not in His presence anymore. And when we're

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down here, we're just trying to find Him again

00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:35.000
so that we can be remembered with Him instead

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of dismembered. And I love that analogy just

00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:41.940
because it helps me go, oh yeah, I'm just remembering.

00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:48.500
and remembering me, who I am, whose I am. Yeah,

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for sure. Another scripture, one that kind of

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pops out to me, Second Timothy in the New Testament,

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Second Timothy chapter one, verse seven. For

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God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but

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of power, and of love, and of sound mind. I love

00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:12.779
that too. But of power, and of love, and of sound

00:29:12.779 --> 00:29:16.299
mind. So when we're in our space of fear, we

00:29:16.299 --> 00:29:19.099
get to say, get thee hence Satan, not today,

00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:22.519
because we know where fear is coming from. Yeah,

00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.339
exactly. Cast him out. You say that and laugh

00:29:26.339 --> 00:29:29.440
about it, but if we really could do that, if

00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.700
we could really figure out a way to identify

00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:35.900
when we're in that space early on, because sometimes

00:29:35.900 --> 00:29:38.539
I don't identify it until it's like wreckage

00:29:38.539 --> 00:29:42.750
is done. or whatever. But if we can recognize

00:29:42.750 --> 00:29:45.069
it early enough, make that alignment early enough,

00:29:45.369 --> 00:29:49.250
then we're in good shape, right? Maybe we can

00:29:49.250 --> 00:29:52.029
just kind of wrap up this fear discussion on

00:29:52.029 --> 00:29:55.210
Deb, how do we heal then from fear? I think we've

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identified faith and fear can't be together,

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faith is the power. We just read again about

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power in 2 Timothy 1, 7, for God hath not given

00:30:05.930 --> 00:30:09.759
us the spirit of fear but of power. And of love

00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:12.819
which to me is the greatest power. Yeah, you

00:30:12.819 --> 00:30:16.799
know I think about One of the times in my life

00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:20.019
when I was very full of fear I was a senior in

00:30:20.019 --> 00:30:23.220
high school and I was Pregnant and I had to tell

00:30:23.220 --> 00:30:27.740
my parents and I had to face, you know the bishop

00:30:27.740 --> 00:30:31.380
and face people and you know I was a terrified

00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:35.099
little girl yeah and I did not I remember thinking

00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:37.799
this is bigger than me and I remember getting

00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.319
on my knees and pleading and saying I don't know

00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.440
what to do I don't know where to go this is bigger

00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:49.779
than me and I remember feeling that peace and

00:30:49.779 --> 00:30:53.680
going and talking to my parents and knowing that

00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.299
it was going to be okay not easy Definitely not

00:30:56.299 --> 00:30:59.319
easy, but I knew that it was gonna be okay. And

00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.700
I think it's important to remember that when

00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:07.519
we are in those pits of, oh boy, how did I get

00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.000
in this situation? Or, oh, this is bigger than

00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.799
me. To remember that our God is bigger than our

00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:18.119
mess is so important for me to remember that.

00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.440
Because there's often times I get phone calls

00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:25.000
or I get news that is like, whoa, this is big.

00:31:25.339 --> 00:31:29.619
This is heavy. But my God is bigger than all

00:31:29.619 --> 00:31:32.619
of it. That was a difficult time for you and

00:31:32.619 --> 00:31:35.579
a lot of us go through difficult times and sometimes

00:31:35.579 --> 00:31:38.480
those difficult times, it's difficult for us

00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.299
to reach out. It's difficult for us to fall on

00:31:41.299 --> 00:31:43.440
our knees and even reach out to Heavenly Father

00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.779
who we know loves us. There's a lot of shame.

00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:49.599
Often there's shame and often there's a feeling

00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:51.640
of judgment and those types of things that keep

00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.539
us from doing that. But really, those things

00:31:55.539 --> 00:31:58.779
that we are feeling, again, are what we would

00:31:58.779 --> 00:32:01.740
call on the passive side of the fruits of those

00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:07.200
rebellions. And again, the underlying or the

00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:11.579
root of those rebellions can be pride. In some

00:32:11.579 --> 00:32:13.380
of those cases, it can also be fear. And you're

00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:17.380
gonna find, Gang, that this is really interchangeable.

00:32:18.779 --> 00:32:21.160
Sometimes... Twin bullies, we're gonna read about,

00:32:21.259 --> 00:32:23.539
we're gonna talk about twin bullies in a few

00:32:23.539 --> 00:32:27.180
weeks down the road and how they prevent us from

00:32:27.180 --> 00:32:29.819
repenting. But we're talking about them tonight

00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:34.359
by way of weapons of rebellion and here they

00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:36.880
are again, like I said, kind of intertwined.

00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:41.220
But what's pride, Deb? Well, pride has a lot

00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:47.349
of definitions in my personal view of it. Because,

00:32:47.390 --> 00:32:50.109
I mean, it can be self -focused. I mean, you

00:32:50.109 --> 00:32:54.250
can look at me. It could be feeling superior.

00:32:54.450 --> 00:32:58.410
It could be feeling inferior. You know, I remember

00:32:58.410 --> 00:33:00.410
when I was working with a sponsor and she was

00:33:00.410 --> 00:33:03.349
talking about high -end and low -end pride. That's

00:33:03.349 --> 00:33:05.849
how she defined it. That's how she defined it.

00:33:06.609 --> 00:33:12.509
Meaning, you know, feeling less than and feeling...

00:33:13.230 --> 00:33:15.569
And the example she used, I'll never forget this,

00:33:15.750 --> 00:33:18.329
the example she used is, you know when somebody

00:33:18.329 --> 00:33:20.029
gives you a compliment and you're like, no, no,

00:33:20.049 --> 00:33:23.710
no, that's not me. And she says, what if Jesus

00:33:23.710 --> 00:33:26.269
Christ, when he was here on the earth and he

00:33:26.269 --> 00:33:29.630
was healing and he was creating all those miracles

00:33:29.630 --> 00:33:31.890
and they're like, thank you so much. Oh no, no,

00:33:31.930 --> 00:33:35.670
no, it's no big deal. And when she put it that

00:33:35.670 --> 00:33:38.930
way, I was like, oh yeah, that's silly. He always

00:33:38.930 --> 00:33:44.250
gave his glory to God. and I... I think about

00:33:44.250 --> 00:33:46.650
that all the time and anytime I do anything that

00:33:46.650 --> 00:33:50.130
surprises me, I go, wow, that was definitely

00:33:50.130 --> 00:33:52.670
not me. Thank you, Heavenly Father, for that

00:33:52.670 --> 00:33:56.569
gift. That was definitely intervention. Or even

00:33:56.569 --> 00:34:00.130
sometimes when I'm speaking or even talking to

00:34:00.130 --> 00:34:02.009
someone and something comes out of my mouth that

00:34:02.009 --> 00:34:05.289
I get to learn from, I physically look up and

00:34:05.289 --> 00:34:07.789
go, thank you, Heavenly Father. That was definitely

00:34:07.789 --> 00:34:10.849
not my mind or my thoughts that came up with

00:34:10.849 --> 00:34:14.269
that. That was divine inspiration. So pride,

00:34:14.449 --> 00:34:20.869
I think, has multiple definitions for me. I remember

00:34:20.869 --> 00:34:24.349
in 1989 when Ezra Taft Benson gave his talk on

00:34:24.349 --> 00:34:26.650
pride, and there's been numerous talks since,

00:34:27.289 --> 00:34:31.750
but I think it has been such a powerful subject

00:34:31.750 --> 00:34:36.539
to study even. because of that high -end and

00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:39.719
low -end pride, feeling not good enough, being

00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:44.099
easily offended is a form of pride. And I remember

00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:50.159
thinking, wow, guilty. Like, it's been, it's

00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.519
really had to, you know, like put the mirror

00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.539
in front of my face, like I always say. I struggle

00:34:56.539 --> 00:34:59.099
a lot with pride. I don't know if I struggle

00:34:59.099 --> 00:35:04.079
more with fear or with pride. And honestly, I

00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.139
think pride is an extension of fear. They're

00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:11.880
twins, I'm telling ya. But I think that pride

00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.699
actually comes out of fear. I think it's the

00:35:15.699 --> 00:35:18.019
fear of not measuring up, the fear of not having

00:35:18.019 --> 00:35:21.360
enough. Maybe, I don't know, I could be wrong,

00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.079
I used to have that discussion with David and

00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:24.860
we'd go round and around and I probably won't

00:35:24.860 --> 00:35:26.239
do that on this podcast. It's like a dog chasing

00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.840
a tail. It kind of is, to a degree, but for me,

00:35:30.170 --> 00:35:33.730
When I think about pride, what I just think about,

00:35:34.670 --> 00:35:37.190
like you said, what President Ezra Tappan said,

00:35:37.230 --> 00:35:39.309
one of the things that he said in his, that great

00:35:39.309 --> 00:35:43.289
talk, was it 1987, is that right? 1989. Pride

00:35:43.289 --> 00:35:47.750
is the great sin. That's what he said. The great

00:35:47.750 --> 00:35:51.449
sin is pride. Okay, well. But I know we over

00:35:51.449 --> 00:35:54.949
a little bit over rotated after 1989 to we couldn't

00:35:54.949 --> 00:35:57.269
be proud of our kids, you know, and stuff like

00:35:57.269 --> 00:36:00.070
that. I don't think that was the intent. It was

00:36:00.070 --> 00:36:02.610
it was. I just don't want to, you know, come

00:36:02.610 --> 00:36:04.889
across like, hey, you should be proud of your

00:36:04.889 --> 00:36:07.530
kids and you should. Those kinds of things. There's

00:36:07.530 --> 00:36:09.849
definitely a righteous pride. But it's beware

00:36:09.849 --> 00:36:13.010
of pride because pride can be and is, according

00:36:13.010 --> 00:36:16.050
to President Desert have mentioned that great

00:36:16.050 --> 00:36:19.429
sin. Pride says. to me that I can do it without

00:36:19.429 --> 00:36:23.530
God or either that I can do it without God, I

00:36:23.530 --> 00:36:26.489
don't need his help or I'm too broken, I've gone

00:36:26.489 --> 00:36:31.550
too far. Like you said, that would be an example

00:36:31.550 --> 00:36:35.429
of those two prides, right? How does pride show

00:36:35.429 --> 00:36:39.090
up in our lives, Deb? Pride definitely shows

00:36:39.090 --> 00:36:41.829
up a lot in my life for the simple fact is I

00:36:41.829 --> 00:36:46.570
think that I'm... in control. I got this. Look

00:36:46.570 --> 00:36:49.530
at this, I did this. Look how fast I'm healing.

00:36:50.590 --> 00:36:53.429
Like literally, I know this, I'm milking this,

00:36:53.510 --> 00:36:56.989
but it's in my face today. And it's like, I'm

00:36:56.989 --> 00:37:00.070
not doing this healing. I mean, God's doing this

00:37:00.070 --> 00:37:02.150
healing. Do you think I know how to send blood

00:37:02.150 --> 00:37:04.690
and capillaries and all this stuff to these wounds

00:37:04.690 --> 00:37:08.409
and these scrapes and these, you know what, it's...

00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:10.719
It's one of those things that I think that I'm

00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:14.179
doing things. And I forget my nothingness. Okay,

00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:16.599
so you're saying that pride's self -focus, that

00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:19.000
you're just focusing on you, self -reliance over

00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:20.159
god -reliance, right? It can be, absolutely.

00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.760
Yeah, but here's the thing. You are doing things

00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:27.139
to promote your healing. You're drinking, I mean

00:37:27.139 --> 00:37:29.320
- A lot of water. A lot of water. You gotta tell

00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.239
them what I'm drinking. You can't just say, I'm

00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:36.909
drinking. a lot of hydrogenated water, you're

00:37:36.909 --> 00:37:39.889
taking supplements, you're treating it. Red light

00:37:39.889 --> 00:37:43.070
therapy. Exactly, red light, there you go, those

00:37:43.070 --> 00:37:45.769
kinds of things. You've done ice on it, you've

00:37:45.769 --> 00:37:49.389
done hyperbaric chamber because you have access

00:37:49.389 --> 00:37:52.889
and all kinds of things. So it would be easy

00:37:52.889 --> 00:37:56.030
to say. Look what I can do. Look what I've done,

00:37:56.090 --> 00:37:59.110
I've healed myself. Look how quickly I can heal

00:37:59.110 --> 00:38:01.190
if I just do the right things, look how quickly

00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:05.639
I can heal. How's that pride? How is that rebellion?

00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:09.039
Well, and that's where I really have to push

00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:12.619
pause, me personally, I have to push pause and

00:38:12.619 --> 00:38:16.179
give the glory to God, literally. And my savior,

00:38:16.659 --> 00:38:19.599
because he's the ultimate healer. I think that

00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:23.239
a lot of other ways that pride shows up for me

00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:28.199
is through comparison. Number one offender. Right,

00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:33.760
comparison is the thief of joy. 100 % The thief

00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.900
of joy, you know, and I still can do it. I don't

00:38:37.900 --> 00:38:40.699
really compare myself with people and things

00:38:40.699 --> 00:38:42.719
and what they have. And, you know, those guys

00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:44.820
could care less about that stuff for the most

00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:49.820
part. But I do compare myself with a lot of other

00:38:49.820 --> 00:38:52.780
ideals. You know, a lot of other I see certain

00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:56.980
men as this man. That guy is just squared away.

00:38:57.019 --> 00:38:59.000
And it really has nothing to do with financial

00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.019
success, but he's just squared away and so many

00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:03.219
other And I'll compare myself and I'll think

00:39:03.219 --> 00:39:05.599
I should have been a better dad. I should have

00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.519
been a better husband to Deb during that period

00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:13.320
of our struggle. I should have whatever. I should

00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.300
have been a better son to my mom and dad. I can't

00:39:16.300 --> 00:39:19.900
believe the hell I put them through. And so many

00:39:19.900 --> 00:39:23.219
other things. But that's by comparison. And it

00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:25.880
may not just be comparing myself against another

00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:28.719
person. A lot of times I'm comparing myself against

00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:33.519
an ideal. an ideology that doesn't really even

00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:38.619
exist, right? Except by way of ideology. Well,

00:39:38.619 --> 00:39:40.880
maybe we're going back to perfectionism. Yeah,

00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:43.960
exactly. Yeah. I mean, that intertwines as well.

00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.219
Yeah, right. Yeah. I think one of the another

00:39:47.219 --> 00:39:50.820
way that pride shows up is resentment. Yeah.

00:39:51.019 --> 00:39:54.719
Or again, being easily offended. Yeah. and I

00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.719
think our families take the brunt end of our

00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.679
relationship. Messiness. Messiness, yeah. Because

00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:03.139
we're with them all the time. We're closest to

00:40:03.139 --> 00:40:07.619
them and we feel safest to throw verbal and emotional

00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:12.460
darts. I say we as in me. because I come home

00:40:12.460 --> 00:40:14.280
and I've had a terrible, rotten, no good day,

00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:18.739
and you get to hear all about it. Yeah, resentment's

00:40:18.739 --> 00:40:21.739
a big one. In the big book of Alcoholics and

00:40:21.739 --> 00:40:24.239
Onamans, it says that resentment is the number

00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:32.679
one culprit for relapse. And it also says this,

00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.699
that resentment is a luxury of other men that

00:40:35.699 --> 00:40:38.639
we don't have. That's a paraphrase, but that's

00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.760
what it says. We don't have, as fallen people,

00:40:43.179 --> 00:40:46.059
and specifically as it's talking about in the

00:40:46.059 --> 00:40:48.420
big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, we don't have

00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:51.250
the luxury for resentment. What does that mean,

00:40:51.530 --> 00:40:53.449
the luxury for resentment? I say that rhetorical,

00:40:53.489 --> 00:40:55.409
I'm not asking you to answer that, but what does

00:40:55.409 --> 00:41:00.010
that mean? What does that mean, the luxury of

00:41:00.010 --> 00:41:02.289
resentment? I can tell you what it means for

00:41:02.289 --> 00:41:05.630
me. I've used resentment a lot in my life to

00:41:05.630 --> 00:41:09.590
justify my rebellions. I've used resentment to

00:41:09.590 --> 00:41:13.389
justify my fear of anger, which spawns my anger,

00:41:14.289 --> 00:41:17.320
and many other things. Right, I remember also

00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:19.860
hearing holding a resentment or copying a resentment.

00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.440
And when you have that resentment, it's like

00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.900
drinking that poison and hoping somebody else

00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:26.940
will die from it. Yeah, that's the crazy thing

00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:31.500
about resentment. And it hurts us. You know,

00:41:31.579 --> 00:41:34.980
we had a conversation with a young man, Sunday,

00:41:35.260 --> 00:41:40.559
who lost his mom a year ago -ish, and his dad's

00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.869
getting remarried. he basically said, he's having

00:41:45.869 --> 00:41:48.389
a hard time with it. He's having a really hard

00:41:48.389 --> 00:41:52.969
time with it. And he said, I decided that I'm

00:41:52.969 --> 00:41:56.730
gonna drop my resentment because do I wanna lose

00:41:56.730 --> 00:42:00.230
one parent or both? And that was huge for me.

00:42:00.389 --> 00:42:03.250
I just thought, good for you. That was just a

00:42:03.250 --> 00:42:08.210
powerful reminder of how resentments hurt and

00:42:08.210 --> 00:42:12.900
harm us so much. It would be so easy. out of

00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:16.780
fear and or pride in that situation to have a

00:42:16.780 --> 00:42:20.719
different opinion or a different approach. But

00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.860
what's the problem? The problem is when we have

00:42:23.860 --> 00:42:25.960
that stuff, it robs us of the ability to have

00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:28.420
the spirit or feel the spirit in our lives. Let's

00:42:28.420 --> 00:42:30.239
take a look at a couple of scriptures, Deb, at

00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.420
least a scripture and there may be a story from

00:42:32.420 --> 00:42:35.139
scripture. Let's take a look at the Doctrine

00:42:35.139 --> 00:42:37.039
and Covenants. Let's go to the Doctrine and Covenants,

00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.079
section 23, verse one. This is where I just have

00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:46.599
to say thank you, Oliver Cowdery, for being the

00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:48.699
person. Because a lot of times in Doctrine and

00:42:48.699 --> 00:42:51.659
Covenants, when God calls certain people out,

00:42:51.980 --> 00:42:53.840
I'm just like, oh gosh, I'm glad that wasn't

00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:55.739
me. But I do cross out their name and put my

00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:57.699
name in there, because I kind of have to take

00:42:57.699 --> 00:43:01.860
my own personal inventory again. I'm grateful

00:43:01.860 --> 00:43:04.960
for Oliver Cowdery in this. You're the one that

00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:06.860
brought this scripture to my attention, Deb.

00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:08.960
Why don't you just talk about it, read it, and

00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:11.849
we'll go from there. So it says, behold, I speak

00:43:11.849 --> 00:43:14.769
unto you, Oliver, a few words. Behold, thou are

00:43:14.769 --> 00:43:20.670
blessed and art under no condemnation, but beware

00:43:20.670 --> 00:43:24.030
of pride, lest thou should enter into temptation.

00:43:24.349 --> 00:43:28.590
And I circled that and I wrote that's a blessing

00:43:28.590 --> 00:43:32.650
and a warning. You're blessed, but be aware.

00:43:33.909 --> 00:43:37.449
So in my scriptures it says, behold, I speak

00:43:37.449 --> 00:43:41.369
unto you, Deb. few words behold thou are blessed

00:43:41.369 --> 00:43:45.170
because I am blessed you know and I'm not under

00:43:45.170 --> 00:43:48.690
any condemnation but beware of pride I just think

00:43:48.690 --> 00:43:52.369
it's important for us to you know focus on what

00:43:52.369 --> 00:43:55.039
we can be doing not what you know, what the world

00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:57.679
wants us to be doing. Or even maybe what we think

00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.159
we want to be doing, right? Just focusing on

00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:00.960
what the Lord wants us to be doing. And don't

00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.539
get deceived. Which is easy to have, that's easy

00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:06.079
to have happen to us, that deception is very,

00:44:06.139 --> 00:44:08.699
especially when we're enveloped with pride, especially

00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:12.320
when we let that root of pride come into our

00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:14.860
lives, Deb. It's easy for us to be deceived because

00:44:14.860 --> 00:44:17.159
we become justified, we justify ourselves. And

00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:19.460
so, you know, talking about being justified,

00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:22.539
remember the story in Luke chapter 18 of The

00:44:22.539 --> 00:44:25.559
Young Ruler? The young ruler comes to Jesus and

00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:30.880
he says, I want to, what do I need to do to enter

00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:32.880
the kingdom of heaven? And he goes through the

00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:35.460
commandments and all of that. He says, I'm doing

00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:37.420
all those. He says, I'm already doing all that.

00:44:37.739 --> 00:44:39.619
I'm already doing all that. I've been doing that

00:44:39.619 --> 00:44:42.880
since I was a little boy. And I can see him saying

00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:47.079
it that way. And it says, to be justified. He

00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:48.960
says, I've already done all that. I've been doing

00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:52.139
all that ever since I was a little boy. And then

00:44:52.139 --> 00:44:55.179
Jesus says, well then, go sell everything you've

00:44:55.179 --> 00:44:57.599
got and come follow me. Give it to the poor and

00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:58.840
then come follow me. Yeah, that's right. Give

00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.460
it to the poor and then come follow me. You know,

00:45:01.460 --> 00:45:04.199
I think it's interesting that they talk about,

00:45:04.699 --> 00:45:09.400
in fact, Sunday when we were listening to my

00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.079
brother Eric and his sweet wife Carrie give their

00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.739
farewell speech as they were getting ready to

00:45:15.739 --> 00:45:19.800
go on their... He's going to be the mission president

00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.340
in Detroit, Michigan. So you lucky people in

00:45:22.340 --> 00:45:25.159
Detroit. This is a great man and a woman coming

00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:30.460
your way. But he talked about, you know, we learn

00:45:30.460 --> 00:45:34.340
certain things. you know, and then we go to a

00:45:34.340 --> 00:45:36.659
higher law. And then when we learn obedience,

00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.320
the law of obedience, the law of sacrifice, the

00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:41.440
law of, you know, and these are things we learn

00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:45.400
in the temple. But the law of consecration is

00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:47.800
one of the higher laws. When you're willing to

00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:51.699
give everything you have. I mean, and you know

00:45:51.699 --> 00:45:55.000
what? It really makes me kind of, again, put

00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:56.699
the mirror in front of my face and go, would

00:45:56.699 --> 00:45:59.920
I be willing to sell everything I have? to follow

00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:02.699
him? Yeah, or give away everything you have or

00:46:02.699 --> 00:46:05.900
whatever. It would be more difficult for me to

00:46:05.900 --> 00:46:08.400
give away some of my sins. It would be more difficult

00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:10.380
for me to give away some of my habits. It would

00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:12.739
be more difficult, you know what I'm saying?

00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.599
It would be more difficult in some cases for

00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.239
me to bury my weapons of rebellion. that keep

00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.400
me from filling the spirit. So it's important

00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.960
for me to keep those things at bay so that I

00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:26.880
can have the spirit in my life. Why is that so

00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:30.480
important? Because it keeps me from filling all

00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.559
of the garbage I felt before when I didn't feel

00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:35.519
like the atonement of Jesus Christ was at work

00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.400
in my life. How do we heal from pride? We talked

00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:40.880
about how we heal from fear. How do we heal from

00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:44.389
pride? Good question. I think I think one of

00:46:44.389 --> 00:46:46.250
the important things and this was really important

00:46:46.250 --> 00:46:48.110
thing for me to understand when I first came

00:46:48.110 --> 00:46:50.750
into the rooms of Alcoholics Anonymous Because

00:46:50.750 --> 00:46:54.309
I had suffered from so much humiliation. I had

00:46:54.309 --> 00:46:57.590
absolutely done everything I could possibly do

00:46:57.590 --> 00:47:01.889
to burn my life down and create just loads of

00:47:01.889 --> 00:47:05.349
humiliation there's a difference between humiliation

00:47:05.349 --> 00:47:09.190
and humility and Humility is the anecdote to

00:47:09.190 --> 00:47:13.809
pride right right so When I think of humility

00:47:13.809 --> 00:47:17.329
instead of humiliation, the difference there

00:47:17.329 --> 00:47:22.170
is my dependency. If I'm humiliated, I see my

00:47:22.170 --> 00:47:28.710
dependency being on me. If I am humbled, I see

00:47:28.710 --> 00:47:34.210
my dependency in Jesus Christ. That's why I love

00:47:34.210 --> 00:47:39.730
that hymn. Hymn one, two, three. Oh, may my soul

00:47:39.730 --> 00:47:45.030
commune with thee and find thy holy peace. I

00:47:45.030 --> 00:47:50.389
love that. Just let me commune, let me just set

00:47:50.389 --> 00:47:58.489
my rebellious self aside and depend solely on

00:47:58.489 --> 00:48:02.429
Jesus Christ. I mean, this is - Yeah, these are

00:48:02.429 --> 00:48:05.650
weapons that are deep, ones that we carry deep

00:48:05.650 --> 00:48:09.340
inside of us, though. They're not just kind of

00:48:09.340 --> 00:48:12.119
on the outside, they're deep in us. And again,

00:48:12.139 --> 00:48:15.019
remember, if we go back to Alma 23, they buried

00:48:15.019 --> 00:48:18.860
their, actually in Alma 24, it talks about their

00:48:18.860 --> 00:48:23.219
weapons being buried deep. And so they're deep

00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:25.780
within us now, if they're weapons of rebellion.

00:48:26.619 --> 00:48:29.340
To have them excised from us, they have to be

00:48:29.340 --> 00:48:31.900
buried deep. Because I think sometimes I'm guilty

00:48:31.900 --> 00:48:36.820
of. setting a weapon aside, maybe shallow burying

00:48:36.820 --> 00:48:42.480
so I can dig it back up. So I love that we say

00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.920
bury them deep. Put water on it and concrete.

00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:52.639
Get it out. And put our pure dependency on Jesus

00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.239
Christ. A couple of things that we need to do,

00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:58.320
again, just as a reminder to kind of lay down

00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.219
our weapons of rebellion. We just need to remember

00:49:01.219 --> 00:49:03.239
the scripture we read last week. We won't take

00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:04.960
the time to do it tonight, but I'll encourage

00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.179
you all to do it on your own. Go to Mosiah chapter

00:49:07.179 --> 00:49:10.000
three, verse 19, where we learn that the natural

00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.440
man, and we're all natural, the natural man or

00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.860
person is an enemy of God and will be forever

00:49:15.860 --> 00:49:20.500
and ever. unless he yields to the enticings of

00:49:20.500 --> 00:49:22.820
the Holy Spirit and becomeeth a child and putteth

00:49:22.820 --> 00:49:26.880
off the natural man, and I'm going by memory

00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:31.559
here, but then engages in the atonement of Jesus

00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:37.179
Christ. So we know that in order for us to really

00:49:37.179 --> 00:49:42.019
take on that humble, ridding ourselves of pride

00:49:42.019 --> 00:49:45.119
and even ridding ourselves of fear, as you mentioned,

00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:49.929
Deb, Our confidence really waxes strong in the

00:49:49.929 --> 00:49:51.829
presence of God. We learn that from the Doctrine

00:49:51.829 --> 00:49:54.170
and Covenants. And we do that as we come to know

00:49:54.170 --> 00:50:01.099
Him. And again, remember who we are. anytime

00:50:01.099 --> 00:50:04.460
we're seeking the Holy Ghost, seeking the Spirit,

00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:09.320
we know that we are warding off that fear and

00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.260
pride as well. I was at a baptism last Saturday

00:50:12.260 --> 00:50:16.039
when a grandpa was giving a talk about the Holy

00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:21.239
Ghost, and he was talking about, it was so cute

00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.940
because he used the CTR ring to represent things

00:50:24.940 --> 00:50:27.860
of the Holy Ghost. I'm going off on a tangent

00:50:27.860 --> 00:50:29.880
here, but there is a reason I'm telling you this.

00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:33.480
He basically said, you know, when we're seeking

00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:36.139
the Holy Ghost, you know, you can think of your

00:50:36.139 --> 00:50:39.579
CTR ring, which typically means choose the right.

00:50:40.019 --> 00:50:43.280
But he says the C could be to comfort and to

00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:47.960
compel us. And T could be to testify and to teach

00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:50.619
us. The Holy Ghost testifies and teaches us.

00:50:50.900 --> 00:50:55.400
And for the R is to reveal and to help us remember

00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:59.539
him. I love that comparison to the CTR ring.

00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:04.199
and the Holy Ghost. And I think as we seek and

00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.000
search for the Spirit to be with us, I think

00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:12.519
that's a really important piece of ridding fear

00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:18.179
and pride out of our lives. There's really only

00:51:18.179 --> 00:51:23.559
a way, one way to completely eliminate or eradicate

00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:28.269
this fear and pride. in our lives, Deb, and that's

00:51:28.269 --> 00:51:32.369
really kind of spelled out for us very explicitly

00:51:32.369 --> 00:51:34.889
in Doctrine and Covenants chapter six. We're

00:51:34.889 --> 00:51:36.510
gonna come to this scripture we already have,

00:51:36.550 --> 00:51:38.170
and we're gonna just keep coming back to this

00:51:38.170 --> 00:51:40.710
scripture time and time again. It's that important.

00:51:41.190 --> 00:51:43.630
But as specifically as we're talking about fear

00:51:43.630 --> 00:51:46.329
and pride, Doctrine and Covenants chapter six,

00:51:46.489 --> 00:51:51.030
verse 36 is where I will begin. Look unto me

00:51:51.030 --> 00:51:54.329
in every thought. Doubt not, fear not. Now let's

00:51:54.329 --> 00:51:58.110
just pause for just a second there. Fear not,

00:51:58.170 --> 00:52:00.389
that's easy. We know fear is fear. Fear would

00:52:00.389 --> 00:52:03.650
be the fear part of this fear and pride conversation.

00:52:04.309 --> 00:52:06.570
Doubt, there may be, if we have pride, there

00:52:06.570 --> 00:52:09.590
may be a lot of doubt. A lot of doubt in ourself,

00:52:09.750 --> 00:52:11.929
a lot of doubt in our ability, a lot of doubt

00:52:11.929 --> 00:52:15.409
in our relationship with God and divinity. And

00:52:15.409 --> 00:52:20.110
so maybe doubt and fear or pride and fear are

00:52:20.110 --> 00:52:22.030
being addressed here. So look unto me in every

00:52:22.030 --> 00:52:24.889
thought, doubt not, fear not. Behold, and this

00:52:24.889 --> 00:52:27.670
is the anecdote. This is a way that we overcome.

00:52:28.210 --> 00:52:32.309
fear and pride. And rebellion. Which is the root

00:52:32.309 --> 00:52:37.110
of all rebellion, right? And so let's just remember

00:52:37.110 --> 00:52:39.449
that. We are looking at the root, not the fruit

00:52:39.449 --> 00:52:41.969
here. We're dealing with the fruit of rebellion

00:52:41.969 --> 00:52:43.769
and all the other things that we've talked about.

00:52:43.849 --> 00:52:46.690
The root of our rebellion is this fear and pride.

00:52:47.429 --> 00:52:51.750
And so behold, the wounds which pierced my side

00:52:51.750 --> 00:52:54.050
and also the prints of the nails in my hands

00:52:54.050 --> 00:52:57.969
and feet. Be faithful. keep my commandments and

00:52:57.969 --> 00:53:01.250
you shall inherit the kingdom of heaven you know

00:53:01.250 --> 00:53:03.710
I as we kind of wrap it up tonight I'm going

00:53:03.710 --> 00:53:09.449
to submit that we can feel the kingdom of heaven

00:53:09.449 --> 00:53:15.389
here on earth if we will but And I don't say

00:53:15.389 --> 00:53:18.210
but as though it's an easy task. I know that

00:53:18.210 --> 00:53:20.750
it's difficult. I know that it requires a great,

00:53:21.309 --> 00:53:23.690
immense amount of effort on our part. But if

00:53:23.690 --> 00:53:27.849
we will but look unto him in every thought, our

00:53:27.849 --> 00:53:31.530
fear and our doubts and our pride and all other

00:53:31.530 --> 00:53:36.429
things will be enveloped in the atonement of

00:53:36.429 --> 00:53:39.610
Jesus Christ. It reminds me of the story of Mary

00:53:39.610 --> 00:53:43.070
and Martha in Luke chapter 10, when Martha was

00:53:43.070 --> 00:53:47.369
encumbered about and serving and came to him

00:53:47.369 --> 00:53:50.789
and said, Lord, does thou not care that my sister

00:53:50.789 --> 00:53:53.550
hath left me to serve alone? Bid her therefore

00:53:53.550 --> 00:53:58.550
that she help me. I would be that Martha. And

00:53:58.550 --> 00:54:01.789
Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha,

00:54:02.389 --> 00:54:07.289
Deb, Deb, Thou art careful and troubled about

00:54:07.289 --> 00:54:13.889
many things, but one thing is needful, and Mary

00:54:13.889 --> 00:54:17.150
hath chosen that good part, which shall not be

00:54:17.150 --> 00:54:20.730
taken from her. And I often think of that picture

00:54:20.730 --> 00:54:24.789
with Mary and Martha, and just Mary at Jesus'

00:54:25.110 --> 00:54:28.429
feet, and that one thing is our savior, Jesus

00:54:28.429 --> 00:54:32.289
Christ. It's so important for me to remember

00:54:32.289 --> 00:54:37.329
that all things point to him. All things point

00:54:37.329 --> 00:54:40.869
to Jesus Christ. And when I have him in my forefront,

00:54:41.389 --> 00:54:44.730
my fear, my pride, my rebellion is diminished.

00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:48.880
Now, do I have him always in my forefront? Absolutely

00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:53.579
not. But do I want to? Absolutely. So, I'm definitely

00:54:53.579 --> 00:54:57.159
the Martha Martha. You are troubled with many

00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.619
things. I can relate to that. So, I just love

00:55:00.619 --> 00:55:04.500
that reminder that there's only one needful thing

00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:07.369
and that is our Savior Jesus Christ. You know,

00:55:07.489 --> 00:55:09.550
as we just kind of wrap up the podcast tonight,

00:55:09.670 --> 00:55:12.190
Deb, it just kind of reminds me of another scripture.

00:55:12.309 --> 00:55:15.829
This is going to be in John chapter 14. And this

00:55:15.829 --> 00:55:19.409
is where Jesus is talking about the Comforter

00:55:19.409 --> 00:55:21.050
or the Holy Ghost. We're going to start in verse

00:55:21.050 --> 00:55:24.039
26. He says, but the Comforter, which is the

00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.260
Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,

00:55:26.539 --> 00:55:28.940
he shall teach you all things and bring all things

00:55:28.940 --> 00:55:31.139
to your remembrance whatsoever I've said unto

00:55:31.139 --> 00:55:34.219
you. And then he goes on and tells us about some

00:55:34.219 --> 00:55:36.639
of the benefit that we will have through having

00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.800
the Comforter in our life, administrating the

00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:41.900
blessings from Jesus Christ available to us through

00:55:41.900 --> 00:55:45.420
his Atonement, where he says, peace I leave with

00:55:45.420 --> 00:55:49.900
you, my peace I give unto you, not as the world

00:55:49.900 --> 00:55:53.480
giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be

00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:57.239
troubled, neither let it be afraid. So to me,

00:55:57.380 --> 00:56:00.300
the real anecdote, the real answer to any of

00:56:00.300 --> 00:56:03.920
my fear, to any of my pride is to have the Holy

00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:08.000
Ghost, the Comforter present in my life so that

00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:11.659
I can have the peace that exceeds all understanding

00:56:11.659 --> 00:56:16.099
available to me. And when I do, and I do. There

00:56:16.099 --> 00:56:19.559
are many times, multiple times in my life, currently

00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.940
and in the past, that this is a case for me,

00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.480
where I do feel his peace, which is the absolute

00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:28.420
greatest miracle, that I can feel that by contrast

00:56:28.420 --> 00:56:30.659
to the way my life has been in the past. And

00:56:30.659 --> 00:56:33.980
when I do feel that, I have no fear. And when

00:56:33.980 --> 00:56:38.039
I do feel that, my humility is probably better

00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.760
intact as well. Well, and who doesn't want peace?

00:56:41.780 --> 00:56:45.800
Eternal peace. God -given peace. not the worldly

00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:48.980
peace, but the God -given peace. So as we kind

00:56:48.980 --> 00:56:50.980
of wrap everything up tonight, we just want to

00:56:50.980 --> 00:56:53.599
say that wherever you are, wherever you are,

00:56:53.699 --> 00:56:56.320
and however you're feeling, you're welcome to

00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:58.099
be here with us. In fact, we're glad you are.

00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:00.539
Jesus isn't just waiting for you to clean everything

00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:02.659
up before you come to Him. He meets us right

00:57:02.659 --> 00:57:05.199
in the middle of our mess. That's where His grace

00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:09.019
shines the brightest. So come as you are, broken,

00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:12.420
hopeful, questioning, searching. You're not alone.

00:57:12.619 --> 00:57:14.820
and you know again like I said earlier we'd love

00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:16.840
to stay connected with everybody if you'd like

00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:20.159
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00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:23.719
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00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:25.900
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00:57:25.900 --> 00:57:28.500
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00:57:28.500 --> 00:57:31.639
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00:57:34.860 --> 00:57:37.280
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00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.179
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00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:44.940
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00:57:44.940 --> 00:57:47.400
hope and peace. Yeah, no doubt. Next week we're

00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.260
gonna talk about how the Savior doesn't just

00:57:49.260 --> 00:57:52.659
redeem us, He heals us, He lifts us, He transforms

00:57:52.659 --> 00:57:55.099
us in our everyday lives. We're gonna begin a

00:57:55.099 --> 00:57:59.500
journey down the events of the atonement of Jesus

00:57:59.500 --> 00:58:01.480
Christ and we're gonna begin that next week.

00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:04.659
Thanks for being with us and remember there is

00:58:04.659 --> 00:58:08.519
always hope through him because you have been

00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.780
redeemed through his blood. Thanks for being

00:58:10.780 --> 00:58:13.019
with us everybody we'll see you next time.