WEBVTT 00:00:16.119 --> 00:00:18.739 Hey, hey, everybody. Welcome out to another episode 00:00:18.739 --> 00:00:21.300 of Redeemed Through His Blood season four. This 00:00:21.300 --> 00:00:24.879 is Scott Durfey, and I'm joined, as always, by 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:27.239 the beautiful Debra Durfey. What's up, Deb? 00:00:27.699 --> 00:00:30.579 Hello, friends. So it's good to be with you tonight, 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:34.560 babe. It's been kind of a crazy day. We're recording 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:39.000 this on a Monday night. We just yesterday went 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:42.880 through a very peaceful, wonderful Sunday experience 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:45.340 partaking of the sacrament. I got to teach a 00:00:45.340 --> 00:00:49.079 gospel doctrine lesson on Doctrine and Covenants 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:53.579 46, 47, and 48, which was a lot of fun. I love 00:00:53.579 --> 00:00:56.679 doing that because I get to learn so much. But 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:58.920 my highlight yesterday, Doug, was partaking the 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:04.319 sacrament, taking the sacrament. I just look 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.819 forward to that every week, and I haven't always. 00:01:08.299 --> 00:01:10.260 One of the things that's really kind of, I think, 00:01:10.379 --> 00:01:13.420 helped to grow that feeling within me over the 00:01:13.420 --> 00:01:18.200 last several years has been doing this, doing 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:19.739 what we're doing here today. It's interesting 00:01:19.739 --> 00:01:23.560 because I was thinking of that same thing probably 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:27.260 the majority of the times we sing the sacramental 00:01:27.260 --> 00:01:31.840 hymns, you and I both weep, and we pull out our 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:34.939 Kleenex. And a few months ago, we were asked 00:01:34.939 --> 00:01:37.200 to speak on the importance of the sacrament. 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.379 We did a deep dive into the importance of the 00:01:40.379 --> 00:01:43.879 sacrament. And as we were sitting on the stage, 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:49.019 you know, to be, to speak, and they sing the 00:01:49.019 --> 00:01:54.150 sacramental hymn, we both just wept. And I think 00:01:54.150 --> 00:01:57.629 my first counselor in the primary presidency 00:01:57.629 --> 00:02:00.290 said, I just thought something bad had happened. 00:02:01.709 --> 00:02:05.730 And I thought, you know, for decades, years and 00:02:05.730 --> 00:02:10.449 years and years, I took that sacred, sacred time 00:02:10.449 --> 00:02:13.449 for granted. And it was just one of those things 00:02:13.449 --> 00:02:15.250 that it's like, okay, let's be reverent, think 00:02:15.250 --> 00:02:19.539 about Jesus. And, you know, the deeper dive that 00:02:19.539 --> 00:02:23.680 we do into the atonement of Jesus Christ, the 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:30.620 more I really appreciate my Savior. And those 00:02:30.620 --> 00:02:36.539 songs are so moving. The words that, upon the 00:02:36.539 --> 00:02:40.139 cross of Calvary, they crucified our Lord. I 00:02:40.139 --> 00:02:44.830 mean, there's, and then torn broken. I mean, 00:02:44.949 --> 00:02:48.069 there's so many words that are so descriptive, 00:02:48.530 --> 00:02:51.810 but yet penetrate to the fleshy tables of my 00:02:51.810 --> 00:02:57.550 heart. It affects me. Yeah. Why is that the case? 00:02:57.810 --> 00:03:03.520 Do you think? Well, I think for one, I have put 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:05.800 forth effort to really understand the atonement 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:08.360 of Jesus Christ. I know for a fact I did not 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:10.939 understand it and I still, I don't claim that 00:03:10.939 --> 00:03:14.740 I do understand it a hundred percent, but I understand 00:03:14.740 --> 00:03:18.680 it more fully and I've lived. I've lived life, 00:03:19.219 --> 00:03:22.419 you know, a few decades, quite a few decades 00:03:22.419 --> 00:03:30.199 and I have really had to understand and apply, 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:34.599 you know, Repentance, I really had to redefine 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:38.960 repentance. Understanding it the way I did as 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:42.520 a youth is very, very different. The way that 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:47.840 I understand it today, for the simple fact is 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:51.060 understanding the fall, understanding that we 00:03:51.060 --> 00:03:54.620 are here and sin will forever be part of this 00:03:54.620 --> 00:03:57.789 mortal world. It will always be part of this 00:03:57.789 --> 00:04:00.889 mortal world. And I think understanding that 00:04:00.889 --> 00:04:04.349 helped me have a little bit more understanding 00:04:04.349 --> 00:04:08.370 for my dependency on the Savior. That's exactly 00:04:08.370 --> 00:04:13.400 how it is for me too. Especially today, I have 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.779 been just so reflective. Somebody who's really 00:04:16.779 --> 00:04:21.000 important to me, who has battled addiction and 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.720 the various things that come with it and has 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:27.680 had to deal with the various consequences of 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:33.120 it and so on. Not much unlike myself 26 something 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:38.240 years ago. But this person will be picking up 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:42.100 a two -year medallion tomorrow in alcoholics. 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:47.560 Yeah, exactly. But this person is really up against 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:49.839 the effects of the fall. That's the interesting 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:52.860 thing about this kind of thing, Deb. You know, 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:56.100 so often, and I know that you've also been privy 00:04:56.100 --> 00:04:58.939 to these types of experiences, but so often sometimes 00:04:58.939 --> 00:05:03.000 we think, well, The fall is coming down around 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:04.779 me and when I say the fall is coming down around 00:05:04.779 --> 00:05:06.560 me that can look like so many different things 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:08.560 that we're going to be talking about as you can 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:10.439 tell the fall of Adam and Eve once again tonight. 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:12.699 We may even carry this into next week. It's that 00:05:12.699 --> 00:05:15.040 important and we'll talk about you. I think you'll 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.220 understand why it's that important as we go through 00:05:18.220 --> 00:05:22.180 this, but. As I go through my life and as things 00:05:22.180 --> 00:05:24.800 would come crashing down, you know, usually based 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.699 on dumb decisions I had made or something like 00:05:27.699 --> 00:05:30.279 that. But when life got really difficult for 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:33.420 me and there was just no place for me to go because 00:05:33.420 --> 00:05:36.620 I had just burned everything down around me, 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:39.819 so to speak, I knew that I couldn't anymore. 00:05:40.180 --> 00:05:44.560 Of myself, I was completely powerless over my 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:48.730 entire life. So I made a decision to turn my 00:05:48.730 --> 00:05:50.870 will in my life over to the care of God as I 00:05:50.870 --> 00:05:53.370 understand him. And I did that through entering 00:05:53.370 --> 00:05:56.610 Alcoholics Anonymous and other recovery programs, 00:05:56.829 --> 00:06:01.050 which for me is a way also to access the spirit 00:06:01.050 --> 00:06:03.889 and to have those kinds of blessings in my life. 00:06:04.889 --> 00:06:08.709 But as I did that, I recognized how broken and 00:06:08.709 --> 00:06:14.269 beat up and just beat down I was. And then I 00:06:14.269 --> 00:06:17.579 got sober. And then I thought, well, and not 00:06:17.579 --> 00:06:19.480 unlike a lot of others, and this is my point, 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:22.399 well, I'm getting sober now, everything should 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:25.300 be fine. Heavenly Father should be blessing me 00:06:25.300 --> 00:06:28.079 now. All those things, all those bills I neglected 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.500 to pay, they should just go away. All of the 00:06:30.500 --> 00:06:32.339 other things that I neglected should just go 00:06:32.339 --> 00:06:34.300 away. The relationships that I damaged, they 00:06:34.300 --> 00:06:36.319 should just instantly be better. And I know that 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:39.160 there's a bit of hyperbole in what I'm saying 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:43.079 here, but just a bit. Sometimes I think that, 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.160 you know, and I've done those rescue type of 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.519 repentances as well, you know, where something 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:53.139 goes wrong or I'm compelled for whatever reason 00:06:53.139 --> 00:06:56.600 to go running to the bishop and do what I thought 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:59.560 in that at that time in my life was actual repentance, 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:03.000 which I've learned since that it's not, but to 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:06.019 to go running and because my world's crashing 00:07:06.019 --> 00:07:09.079 down around me. And then I'm surprised when everything 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:12.259 just doesn't all of a sudden get better. I've 00:07:12.259 --> 00:07:15.040 come to find out that the fall of Adam and Eve 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:18.019 is obviously the reason that we deal with a lot 00:07:18.019 --> 00:07:20.899 of these different things, but the fall of Adam 00:07:20.899 --> 00:07:24.399 and Eve, the offset to the fall of Adam and Eve 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:26.939 doesn't just necessarily sometimes happen in 00:07:26.939 --> 00:07:29.399 an instant, in a second, in a night, in a day, 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.399 in a week, in a month, and so on. So I have a 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:37.160 question. I mean, you were raised as an active 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:40.769 member of the Church of Jesus Christ. of Latter 00:07:40.769 --> 00:07:45.629 -day Saints I should complete. Why do you think 00:07:45.629 --> 00:07:49.910 you learned more about the fall and the atonement 00:07:49.910 --> 00:07:52.870 of Jesus Christ entering the rooms of recovery 00:07:52.870 --> 00:07:55.910 rather than in primary and young men, young women? 00:07:56.449 --> 00:08:00.230 Or did you? Yeah, I did. I absolutely did. And 00:08:00.230 --> 00:08:02.470 this is kind of key. This is an individual thing. 00:08:02.610 --> 00:08:04.430 And I'm not saying this is not a prescription. 00:08:04.810 --> 00:08:06.870 I'm not saying that it has and it should be this 00:08:06.870 --> 00:08:09.209 way for everybody. because it shouldn't be and 00:08:09.209 --> 00:08:14.290 it's not for those. Anyway, the reason that that 00:08:14.290 --> 00:08:17.009 actually helped for me, Deb, is for some reason, 00:08:17.209 --> 00:08:20.410 I just needed an absolute obvious two by four 00:08:20.410 --> 00:08:22.970 to the side of the head that life would give 00:08:22.970 --> 00:08:27.870 me by way of my addiction. And you know, it was 00:08:27.870 --> 00:08:30.889 a choice. I'm not saying that my there's debate 00:08:30.889 --> 00:08:32.649 around this and I'm not going to have it with 00:08:32.649 --> 00:08:35.799 anybody. I have my own views on it. But there's 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.360 debate around whether this was something that 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:41.240 I had agreed to do before I came to Earth or 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:42.799 not, you know, and various things like that. 00:08:42.820 --> 00:08:44.580 And I'm not getting into that. That's not the 00:08:44.580 --> 00:08:47.580 point. The point is, is it's not me, it's him. 00:08:49.980 --> 00:08:54.000 That was why it was so important for me, I guess, 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.500 I don't know, but it was that's why it was so 00:08:56.500 --> 00:09:00.120 important for me to get that understanding the 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.519 way I got it. Because I just had to absolutely 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:06.340 have absolutely zero question in my mind that 00:09:06.340 --> 00:09:09.419 I had any control left. I know that there's a 00:09:09.419 --> 00:09:13.889 lot of people who don't need to be bloodied and 00:09:13.889 --> 00:09:18.049 pummeled and and I know that but for me I for 00:09:18.049 --> 00:09:21.789 whatever reason Personality, I don't know for 00:09:21.789 --> 00:09:24.009 whatever reason and again, you know trying to 00:09:24.009 --> 00:09:25.929 figure out all the particulars around those things 00:09:25.929 --> 00:09:30.470 is just a waste for me understanding The solution 00:09:30.470 --> 00:09:34.110 is the is that is the direction for me? That's 00:09:34.110 --> 00:09:37.330 the journey right and perhaps I mean going to 00:09:37.330 --> 00:09:40.210 the come follow me this last week Maybe the gift 00:09:40.210 --> 00:09:44.450 of the spirit I mean some of us learn through 00:09:44.450 --> 00:09:48.490 actual events and sometimes we have the gift 00:09:48.490 --> 00:09:51.570 of learning through our experiences and some 00:09:51.570 --> 00:09:55.289 of us have the gift of learning vicariously through 00:09:55.289 --> 00:09:58.059 other people's. That doesn't seem to have been 00:09:58.059 --> 00:10:01.779 my lot, babe. Well, you haven't experienced absolutely 00:10:01.779 --> 00:10:03.600 everything. I understand. There's things that 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.840 you do. I definitely say that. I just remember 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.299 asking the question last, you asked the question 00:10:08.299 --> 00:10:12.860 last week at Institute about how many of us here 00:10:12.860 --> 00:10:16.470 have... have, and I don't remember the exact 00:10:16.470 --> 00:10:19.629 question, but something to the effect of can 00:10:19.629 --> 00:10:23.070 resist temptation. What was that question? Yeah, 00:10:23.230 --> 00:10:25.289 the question was, I asked them, I said, how many 00:10:25.289 --> 00:10:28.929 of you find it very easy to keep all of the commandments? 00:10:29.429 --> 00:10:30.950 Oh, yeah. And there were a lot of hands. Almost 00:10:30.950 --> 00:10:33.809 every hand. I was jaw dropped. I was like, wow, 00:10:33.909 --> 00:10:35.769 I think we're teaching the wrong crowd. Yeah. 00:10:37.779 --> 00:10:40.980 And then I I don't know did I ask gift of obedience 00:10:40.980 --> 00:10:43.539 I I mean I just think of their spiritual gifts 00:10:43.539 --> 00:10:45.919 to have that gift of obedience I know and then 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:49.039 you asked another question and I don't remember 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.559 exactly what it was, but I you know, I think 00:10:52.700 --> 00:10:56.019 understanding that some of us have the gift of 00:10:56.019 --> 00:10:58.179 discernment, some of us have the gift of obedience, 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:02.240 some of us have the gift of listening and learning. 00:11:02.659 --> 00:11:08.019 Whatever that is, I too am one of those that 00:11:08.019 --> 00:11:10.340 get to learn by universal two -by -fours to the 00:11:10.340 --> 00:11:15.139 forehead and have life experiences really beat 00:11:15.139 --> 00:11:18.440 the ever -loving crap out of me and bruise and 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:21.139 tear me up. And I think that's why those words 00:11:21.139 --> 00:11:24.000 penetrate so deep is because I have pictures 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.980 now to go with those words. Not to the effect 00:11:26.980 --> 00:11:30.019 that the Savior does, of course. But I know what 00:11:30.019 --> 00:11:32.759 it's like to be bruised and battered. But you 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:36.519 have a different perspective. Sure. And that's 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:39.200 the whole point behind understanding and learning 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:41.559 about the fall of Adam and Eve is to gain the 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:46.750 perspective that you just articulated, Deb. Right. 00:11:47.289 --> 00:11:50.629 Well, and ironically enough, there are days, 00:11:50.889 --> 00:11:52.809 and today is one of them, that I am grateful 00:11:52.809 --> 00:11:55.649 for my challenges. I am grateful for those things 00:11:55.649 --> 00:11:57.870 that I went through that beat the everloving 00:11:57.870 --> 00:12:00.750 snot out of me. I really am. Today I'm grateful. 00:12:00.809 --> 00:12:02.669 When I was going through it, I was not grateful. 00:12:03.230 --> 00:12:05.230 And I really thought I was being picked on, and 00:12:05.230 --> 00:12:09.370 I thought I was having a job experience. And 00:12:09.370 --> 00:12:12.509 I thought there were a lot of days that felt... 00:12:12.649 --> 00:12:17.070 unfair and not fun and not, I mean, I just felt 00:12:17.070 --> 00:12:20.190 really picked on. But today when I look back 00:12:20.190 --> 00:12:24.389 and I literally can see the hand of God in every 00:12:24.389 --> 00:12:28.309 single experience I went through, it's, they 00:12:28.309 --> 00:12:31.610 say, you know, looking back you, 2020, what is 00:12:31.610 --> 00:12:34.789 it? Hindsight's 2020. Hindsight's 2020. But 2020 00:12:34.789 --> 00:12:36.990 was such a crazy year. I don't even like to use 00:12:36.990 --> 00:12:41.289 that. You're glad it's in our hindsight. But 00:12:41.289 --> 00:12:46.690 honestly, in pushing pause and just reflecting 00:12:46.690 --> 00:12:50.909 and seeing why all of those things were for my 00:12:50.909 --> 00:12:54.009 highest and greatest good and my learning was 00:12:54.009 --> 00:12:57.590 such a gift. And God literally was in those details. 00:12:58.809 --> 00:13:02.110 So what makes you different? Because it's different. 00:13:02.350 --> 00:13:05.590 Right? I mean, we have to just, let's just acknowledge 00:13:05.590 --> 00:13:08.610 the fact right now that not everybody sees it 00:13:08.610 --> 00:13:10.649 that way. Not everybody goes through the same 00:13:10.649 --> 00:13:13.529 experience and comes out on the other side with 00:13:13.529 --> 00:13:17.750 the same glowing optimism today that you have 00:13:17.750 --> 00:13:20.090 around your challenges, Deb. So what makes a 00:13:20.090 --> 00:13:23.990 difference? I don't necessarily feel that I'm 00:13:23.990 --> 00:13:27.190 better or bigger. I don't have that at all. I 00:13:27.190 --> 00:13:29.529 don't hear you saying that either. But what is 00:13:29.529 --> 00:13:33.200 different? I honestly feel like the difference 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:38.200 is because I had, I like me if I had goodly parents 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:43.240 that taught me as a child. And I knew to seek 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.179 for a higher, I mean, there are definitely times 00:13:46.179 --> 00:13:48.659 when I made terrible choices and I consciously 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:50.700 knew these were terrible choices when I was making 00:13:50.700 --> 00:13:54.039 them. But I knew that also that there was a path 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:57.279 of repentance that I could go on. I didn't think 00:13:57.279 --> 00:14:00.820 it would be that. I didn't understand that at 00:14:00.820 --> 00:14:04.480 the time. But back to your question, what makes 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:08.899 me different? I honestly can't answer that. You 00:14:08.899 --> 00:14:12.039 know what it is for me? What? And I know you, 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.820 you'll probably say, oh, yeah, definitely. But 00:14:14.820 --> 00:14:19.659 what I think it is is I just, yeah, they're my 00:14:19.659 --> 00:14:22.409 own choices. And so when I say. You know, I got 00:14:22.409 --> 00:14:24.750 beat up. A lot of people take offense to that. 00:14:24.769 --> 00:14:26.230 They're like, you didn't get beat up. You beat 00:14:26.230 --> 00:14:28.929 yourself up. So say it however you want it. I'm 00:14:28.929 --> 00:14:31.730 fine with it. I don't care. However it is that 00:14:31.730 --> 00:14:34.250 you want to say this, you say it the way you 00:14:34.250 --> 00:14:38.029 want to say it. But I was so beat up and I was 00:14:38.029 --> 00:14:41.549 so breathless and I was so ready to just literally, 00:14:41.830 --> 00:14:44.309 and I'm not, this is not hyperbole. I was just 00:14:44.309 --> 00:14:47.909 so ready to be done, done, done, done, done, 00:14:47.990 --> 00:14:53.529 done, done. And, and That's when I surrendered. 00:14:54.429 --> 00:14:56.750 That's when I said, I can't do this anymore. 00:14:57.690 --> 00:15:02.990 That's when God stepped in and provided for me 00:15:02.990 --> 00:15:08.970 a way to the Savior in that moment. I had I had 00:15:08.970 --> 00:15:10.929 that remember last week. We talked about the 00:15:10.929 --> 00:15:13.529 gift of desperation It is truly a gift and I 00:15:13.529 --> 00:15:15.669 was desperate and a lot of times I think that 00:15:15.669 --> 00:15:17.990 there and this is to our listeners for those 00:15:17.990 --> 00:15:20.250 of you who are feeling Desperately beat down 00:15:20.250 --> 00:15:23.409 and beat up and just I can't do this anymore 00:15:23.409 --> 00:15:26.950 The fall of Adam and Eve is just absolutely kicking 00:15:26.950 --> 00:15:30.009 me to the curb I just can't do this anymore for 00:15:30.009 --> 00:15:32.850 those of you who are feeling that That's the 00:15:32.850 --> 00:15:37.580 perfect timing. This is when when we, and Deb, 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:40.360 you'll explain this to us, but this is when our 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:43.879 hearts are broken enough now that that broken 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.580 heart, he can enter in. Talk to us a little bit 00:15:46.580 --> 00:15:48.919 about broken heart and how all that works and 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:55.279 how this applies to this, Deb. Well, it has been 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:59.350 really clear to me that when... I get down to 00:15:59.350 --> 00:16:02.889 that. I get to that point of I am powerless. 00:16:03.830 --> 00:16:08.350 Sometimes it's a choice. Sometimes there are 00:16:08.350 --> 00:16:12.649 very obedient people that can say, you know what, 00:16:12.909 --> 00:16:15.570 I'm going to turn my will and my life over. I 00:16:15.570 --> 00:16:19.149 am going to let God prevail in my life. And some 00:16:19.149 --> 00:16:22.509 people can do that with just that intention and 00:16:22.509 --> 00:16:25.490 choice and prayerfully seeking to let God prevail. 00:16:28.049 --> 00:16:30.850 Institute students last week. Yeah, they're so 00:16:30.850 --> 00:16:36.309 amazing. I know. But for me, I had to and I maybe 00:16:36.309 --> 00:16:39.730 it's because I'm a control freak. Maybe I just 00:16:39.730 --> 00:16:44.210 like to be in control. Maybe it's like, No, I'm 00:16:44.210 --> 00:16:46.870 good. God, I got this. I'm gonna I'm gonna drive 00:16:46.870 --> 00:16:50.549 this boat. I'm gonna And you know, the farther 00:16:50.549 --> 00:16:53.250 I drive this boat and the further we get into 00:16:53.250 --> 00:16:57.409 the waters of catastrophe and tumultuous times, 00:16:57.830 --> 00:17:00.230 the more wreckage there is and the more I hit 00:17:00.230 --> 00:17:03.870 the rocks and before long, I'm literally sinking 00:17:03.870 --> 00:17:07.769 in the boat. Like, and now all the passengers 00:17:07.769 --> 00:17:10.710 or whoever's around me is sinking in this boat. 00:17:11.009 --> 00:17:13.170 And I think that's the part that I let go of 00:17:13.170 --> 00:17:16.970 the steering wheel and go. Yeah, I can't do this. 00:17:16.970 --> 00:17:20.319 So how do we do it before we start sinking? I'm 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:22.039 not really that good at it. Yeah, you're pretty 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:24.759 good at it. Yeah, so here's the thing. Here's 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:26.380 the problem. And this is one of the things that 00:17:26.380 --> 00:17:28.480 I think that we all need to think about it. Think 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:31.019 about Deb, you're compartmentalizing everything 00:17:31.019 --> 00:17:33.059 that has to do with the fall of Adam and Eve 00:17:33.059 --> 00:17:37.200 in a one big kind of dramatic tub. You know, 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.240 not everything is that big. You know, we deal 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:43.599 with a lot of stuff that has to do with the fall 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:46.099 of Adam and Eve. It's just everyday stuff, just 00:17:46.099 --> 00:17:48.720 everyday disappointment, just everybody just 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.160 every day. whatever, you know, injury, illness, 00:17:53.259 --> 00:17:56.259 sadness, just everyday stuff. And I'm not saying 00:17:56.259 --> 00:17:58.380 sadness should be everyday stuff or illness. 00:17:58.420 --> 00:18:01.000 Don't read me wrong on any of that. But I'm just 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:05.559 saying that our worst days don't define us. Our 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:07.839 worst moments in our life, the worst periods 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:10.460 of time that we have lived, that doesn't define 00:18:10.460 --> 00:18:13.240 us. You know, our first episode, a couple episodes 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:15.559 ago, we talked about who we are, our identity. 00:18:16.170 --> 00:18:21.789 And really, Elder Bednar talked about this several 00:18:21.789 --> 00:18:24.450 months ago in a talk where he talked about to 00:18:24.450 --> 00:18:27.690 really to get to know Jesus Christ, we have to 00:18:27.690 --> 00:18:30.410 understand the fall of Adam and Eve. Well, I 00:18:30.410 --> 00:18:32.589 think that that's important. We can take that 00:18:32.589 --> 00:18:35.769 even a step further in saying that in order for 00:18:35.769 --> 00:18:39.450 Scott Durfee to really understand Jesus Christ 00:18:39.450 --> 00:18:41.910 and develop that relationship with him that I 00:18:41.910 --> 00:18:46.000 want, I really have to understand how The fall 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:50.200 of Adam and Eve plays its role in my life. Some 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:51.980 of those things can be big. Some of those things 00:18:51.980 --> 00:18:54.940 can be small. Much of it has been seemed quite 00:18:54.940 --> 00:18:57.759 big throughout my life. And I still have to deal 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.779 with some of that stuff. But again, getting back 00:19:00.779 --> 00:19:03.400 to our identity, I think that really kind of 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.640 helps us to understand how we fit. Yeah. And 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:10.740 I think back to the broken heart, a broken heart 00:19:10.740 --> 00:19:14.970 being an open heart. to me means willingness. 00:19:15.730 --> 00:19:19.109 And again, in the sacramental prayers, that they 00:19:19.109 --> 00:19:22.890 may be willing. And I listen to that word, that's 00:19:22.890 --> 00:19:25.450 a penetrating word for me, that it's like, Heavenly 00:19:25.450 --> 00:19:28.430 Father, I am willing. Today, I am willing. And 00:19:28.430 --> 00:19:32.650 sometimes I have to pray for that desire to let 00:19:32.650 --> 00:19:40.170 God prevail. I have to allow Him to, you know, 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:44.380 dictate and when I get terrible news on the phone 00:19:44.380 --> 00:19:48.420 or if I have a sad child or a grandchild or a 00:19:48.420 --> 00:19:54.299 friend or whatever, that I am equipped with that 00:19:54.299 --> 00:19:57.099 letting God prevail, that I can hold the space, 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.440 that I can cry. I can cry with them. I can cry 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.799 because of the news I've received that I can 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:09.740 endure and move through this mortal existence 00:20:09.740 --> 00:20:15.920 knowing that we are all in a fallen place. A 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.339 fallen state, right? Yes, a fallen state. Yeah, 00:20:18.500 --> 00:20:20.720 let's do a little bit of scripture on that. Let's 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:24.059 go to Mosiah chapter 4. Deb, you talk about fallen 00:20:24.059 --> 00:20:27.140 state, and that reminds me, in fact, it takes 00:20:27.140 --> 00:20:30.380 me back to remember King Benjamin, and King Benjamin's 00:20:30.380 --> 00:20:32.240 giving this long discourse, and he's talking 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:34.180 about the blood of Christ, how it atones for 00:20:34.180 --> 00:20:37.980 their sins, and how that men drinketh damnation 00:20:37.980 --> 00:20:40.000 to their own souls, except they be humble unto 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.279 themselves, and become as little children, believe 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:46.460 in salvation. It was, is, and is to come through 00:20:46.460 --> 00:20:49.579 the atoning blood of Jesus Christ, and on and 00:20:49.579 --> 00:20:52.119 on. And they just have this wonderful, beautiful. 00:20:52.109 --> 00:20:56.289 discourse about Jesus Christ and how he is the 00:20:56.289 --> 00:20:59.450 solution. He is their savior. He is literally 00:20:59.450 --> 00:21:01.730 everything. When Mosiah chapter four, Deb, will 00:21:01.730 --> 00:21:04.170 you read just verse five to start with here? 00:21:04.970 --> 00:21:08.170 Yeah. So Mosiah four, five, for behold, if the 00:21:08.170 --> 00:21:10.849 knowledge of the goodness of God at this time 00:21:10.849 --> 00:21:14.490 has awakened you to a sense of your nothingness 00:21:14.490 --> 00:21:19.390 and your worthless and fallen state. I say unto 00:21:19.390 --> 00:21:23.609 you, if ye have come to a knowledge of the goodness 00:21:23.609 --> 00:21:28.109 of God, and His matchless power, and His wisdom, 00:21:28.329 --> 00:21:31.170 and His patience, and His longsuffering towards 00:21:31.170 --> 00:21:35.210 the children of men, and also the atonement which 00:21:35.210 --> 00:21:39.230 has been prepared for the foundation of the world, 00:21:39.690 --> 00:21:43.890 that Thereby salvation might come to him that 00:21:43.890 --> 00:21:47.250 should put his trust in the Lord and should be 00:21:47.250 --> 00:21:50.930 diligent in keeping his commandments and continue 00:21:50.930 --> 00:21:55.630 in the faith even unto the end of his life. I 00:21:55.630 --> 00:22:00.630 mean the life of the mortal body. I love that 00:22:00.630 --> 00:22:03.470 he declares there, I mean the life of the mortal 00:22:03.470 --> 00:22:06.750 body. Not you, not you, your mortal body dies, 00:22:07.049 --> 00:22:12.279 right? Right. Verse five, okay. For behold, if 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:14.839 the knowledge of the goodness of God at this 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:18.500 time has awakened you to a sense of your nothingness 00:22:18.500 --> 00:22:23.180 and worthless and fallen state. Okay, so sometimes, 00:22:23.420 --> 00:22:27.990 if I'm reading this right, sometimes, that awakening 00:22:27.990 --> 00:22:32.089 of my worthlessness and my fallen state, maybe 00:22:32.089 --> 00:22:35.509 that, according to this, for behold, if the knowledge 00:22:35.509 --> 00:22:37.970 of the goodness of God, maybe it's the knowledge 00:22:37.970 --> 00:22:39.910 of the goodness of God that helps me to come 00:22:39.910 --> 00:22:43.130 to that. Maybe it's because I know that God is 00:22:43.130 --> 00:22:48.049 so good that it puts an exclamation point at 00:22:48.049 --> 00:22:52.410 the end of or in the middle of my trials and 00:22:52.410 --> 00:22:56.140 just makes them seem. Huge, right? And sometimes 00:22:56.140 --> 00:23:00.099 they are huge. I don't want to diminish anybody's 00:23:00.099 --> 00:23:03.039 hugeness because it comes and we all get to deal 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:05.980 with it from time to time. And neither does he 00:23:05.980 --> 00:23:10.279 wish to diminish this, diminish it. But he goes 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:13.480 on and he says, God has at this time awakened 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:16.420 you to a sense of your nothingness and your worthless 00:23:16.420 --> 00:23:22.039 and fallen state. It's a fallen state. We are 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:26.220 in a fallen state. A state is a place. You can 00:23:26.220 --> 00:23:28.380 be in a state of mind. That's a place of mind. 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:32.740 You can be in a whatever, but it's not a trait. 00:23:34.460 --> 00:23:37.859 It's not a fallen trait. It's a fallen state. 00:23:38.339 --> 00:23:42.960 A trait is our DNA. Our spiritual DNA is heavenly 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:47.799 parents, divinity, joint heirs with Christ forever 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:50.720 and ever. Salvation is free because of the blood 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:56.160 of Christ. That is a trait. My trait is my spiritual 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:01.940 DNA. My state is I'm fallen. And because I'm 00:24:01.940 --> 00:24:08.160 fallen, sometimes it creates a difficulty for 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:12.900 me to hone in on and maybe focus on my trait. 00:24:13.740 --> 00:24:17.700 clouding it with how big the state that I feel 00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:21.440 like I am in. Does that make any sense? Yeah, 00:24:21.700 --> 00:24:23.920 it makes 100%. What are your thoughts? Well, 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:27.720 I just go to the very end of six when you say 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.400 that. And it just means it means the life of 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.099 the mortal body. That's where we're at. We're 00:24:33.099 --> 00:24:35.039 in that fallen state in the life of the mortal 00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:37.740 body. So 100 short years. That's if we live as 00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:40.720 long as President Nelson. But it's like, you 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:43.630 know, literally. I mean, till the end of life. 00:24:44.450 --> 00:24:48.769 I mean, we're here in a fallen state with our 00:24:48.769 --> 00:24:53.130 mortal body. Then if we go on, let's just do 00:24:53.130 --> 00:24:56.630 that in seven. So, you know, here we have identified 00:24:56.630 --> 00:25:00.470 our biggest problem. Our biggest problem comes 00:25:00.470 --> 00:25:03.170 by way of the fall of Adam and Eve. Was that 00:25:03.170 --> 00:25:05.509 designed by Heavenly Father? Certainly it was. 00:25:05.509 --> 00:25:09.380 Why was it designed by Heavenly Father? So that 00:25:09.380 --> 00:25:13.180 we could understand our dependence on his son, 00:25:13.420 --> 00:25:16.420 right? Not on us, but on his son, not our own 00:25:16.420 --> 00:25:18.920 dependence, not our... Going back to our nothingness. 00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:23.740 Exactly, our worthless and fallen state, right? 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:28.779 And so in seven, this is the man who received 00:25:28.779 --> 00:25:31.019 a salvation through the atonement, which was 00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:33.119 prepared from the foundation of the world for 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.670 all mankind. So for the foundation of the world, 00:25:36.950 --> 00:25:41.130 obviously, that was before the foundation of 00:25:41.130 --> 00:25:42.789 the world. It was before the fall of Adam and 00:25:42.789 --> 00:25:44.750 Eve. So this was part of the plan from the very 00:25:44.750 --> 00:25:46.910 beginning, right? The foundation of the world 00:25:46.910 --> 00:25:49.549 for all mankind, whichever were since the fall 00:25:49.549 --> 00:25:54.329 of Adam, or who are, or who shall ever be even 00:25:54.329 --> 00:25:56.349 to the end of the world. So who's the atonement 00:25:56.349 --> 00:25:59.569 for? The atonement of Jesus Christ for every 00:25:59.569 --> 00:26:04.809 single one of us. Every single one of us. in 00:26:04.809 --> 00:26:09.569 spite of and probably better said because of 00:26:09.569 --> 00:26:13.869 our pain, because of our separation from. Well, 00:26:13.869 --> 00:26:17.809 and you understand that sin being a part of this 00:26:17.809 --> 00:26:21.150 mortal world, sin draws us away from God. Yeah. 00:26:21.170 --> 00:26:24.069 It diminishes our peace and joy and inhibits 00:26:24.069 --> 00:26:26.450 us from receiving heavenly comfort and direction 00:26:26.450 --> 00:26:31.029 from the Holy Spirit. So in order for us to like 00:26:31.029 --> 00:26:35.670 combat that, we have to say, Okay, well, we're 00:26:35.670 --> 00:26:40.970 in this mortal world and we need to seek. We 00:26:40.970 --> 00:26:44.589 get to exercise, be willing to exercise our agency. 00:26:45.369 --> 00:26:47.630 Eventually, if we grow accustomed to sin and 00:26:47.630 --> 00:26:50.490 do not seek relief through the Savior and Redeemer, 00:26:50.509 --> 00:26:53.490 we will find ourselves beyond the veil, excluded 00:26:53.490 --> 00:26:57.069 from the living with God and His Son. Is that 00:26:57.069 --> 00:26:59.430 out of the book? Yeah, this is in chapter seven 00:26:59.430 --> 00:27:02.349 of the Divine Gift. What page is that on? Seventy 00:27:02.349 --> 00:27:06.819 -three. All right. Yeah, I love that. Well, okay, 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:12.180 good. Let me just read this on the same page. 00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:15.539 The Lord then explained one of the primary lessons 00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:20.970 to be learned in mortality. it is given unto 00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:23.789 them to know good from evil we are blessed with 00:27:23.789 --> 00:27:27.190 that discernment wherefore they are agents unto 00:27:27.190 --> 00:27:30.809 themselves there is that agency again that we 00:27:30.809 --> 00:27:33.849 are willing to exercise our agency and choose 00:27:33.849 --> 00:27:40.869 him i love that but it also you know says all 00:27:40.869 --> 00:27:47.759 men everywhere must repent so you know, as much 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:50.839 as we're living here and we understand our dependency 00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:58.059 on the Savior, we have to also exercise our agency 00:27:58.059 --> 00:28:05.480 to turn to Him. Yeah. So important, right? exercising 00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:07.839 agency, that's one of the reasons. As a matter 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:09.680 of fact, you know, one of the questions that 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:11.779 is often brought up, I hadn't planned on talking 00:28:11.779 --> 00:28:13.599 about this, but one of the questions that's often 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.839 brought up is, why would God give two seemingly 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.579 competing and contradictory commandments to Adam 00:28:20.579 --> 00:28:24.099 and Eve in the Garden of Eden? You know, in other 00:28:24.099 --> 00:28:26.220 words, why would he command them to multiply 00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:30.599 and replenish the earth and to not eat of the 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:32.359 forbidden fruit. If they didn't eat of the forbidden 00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.799 fruit, as we read last week in Second Nephi, 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.059 there would have been no ability to multiply 00:28:37.059 --> 00:28:40.180 and replenish the earth, right? So the duplicity 00:28:40.180 --> 00:28:43.019 between those two things has become something 00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:45.880 of a bit of a debate among Christian theologians 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:49.140 for a long period of time. An elder, not elder, 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.819 but brother Robert J. Matthews actually gave 00:28:51.819 --> 00:28:55.779 a talk and talked about how That had to be an 00:28:55.779 --> 00:29:00.839 important component of the entire plan. Otherwise, 00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:04.220 there would have been no agency. That was the 00:29:04.220 --> 00:29:07.700 beginning in the institution, really. Maybe I 00:29:07.700 --> 00:29:09.579 misspeak when I say that, but it seems to me 00:29:09.579 --> 00:29:11.319 that that's the institution in the beginning 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.339 of our real mortal agency is in that moment when 00:29:15.339 --> 00:29:17.299 those things take place. And in that moment, 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:20.119 when those things take place, that's what puts 00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:24.509 into movement. all of the effects of the atonement 00:29:24.509 --> 00:29:33.450 of Jesus Christ. All of them. I love how you 00:29:33.450 --> 00:29:36.369 and I can see it this way, and we just recognize, 00:29:36.410 --> 00:29:39.630 hey, our life has been broken. But there are 00:29:39.630 --> 00:29:42.490 those out there, Deb, who haven't had experiences 00:29:42.490 --> 00:29:44.650 where maybe they feel that way. Maybe they're 00:29:44.650 --> 00:29:47.900 not as broken. And so where does this... all 00:29:47.900 --> 00:29:51.819 apply to me, you know, prophets are fallen, apostles 00:29:51.819 --> 00:29:54.720 are fallen, there's no, you know. No one's exempt. 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:58.779 We're all fallible, right? And if I think of 00:29:58.779 --> 00:30:01.000 prophets, if I think of ancient prophets, I think 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:04.039 of an ancient prophet, none maybe, maybe a couple, 00:30:04.259 --> 00:30:09.700 but none strike me as more worthy than the brother 00:30:09.700 --> 00:30:12.589 of Jared. He just was. As a matter of fact, the 00:30:12.589 --> 00:30:15.809 scripture says that Jesus couldn't even withhold 00:30:15.809 --> 00:30:18.609 himself from the brother of Jared. His faith 00:30:18.609 --> 00:30:21.970 was that great. Well, before all of that, the 00:30:21.970 --> 00:30:24.069 brother of Jared has this problem. You know, 00:30:24.069 --> 00:30:27.569 they have to come to the new world and they're 00:30:27.569 --> 00:30:30.210 building these barges out of dishes and there's 00:30:30.210 --> 00:30:31.869 a hole in the top and a hole in the bottom and 00:30:31.869 --> 00:30:34.049 there's no light. And they know that they need 00:30:34.049 --> 00:30:35.730 to breathe. They know that they need to have 00:30:35.730 --> 00:30:38.609 air and they would like to have light. And so 00:30:38.609 --> 00:30:40.680 the brother of Jared takes this to the Lord, 00:30:41.059 --> 00:30:44.380 and this is what he says. He says, Lord, we must 00:30:44.380 --> 00:30:46.700 be encompassed about by the floods. In other 00:30:46.700 --> 00:30:49.140 words, as they're crossing, the water will encompass 00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:52.660 them about. O Lord, thou hast said that we must 00:30:52.660 --> 00:30:55.500 be encompassed about by the floods. Now, behold, 00:30:55.700 --> 00:31:00.240 O Lord, and do not be angry with thy servant 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.569 because of the weak. because of his weakness 00:31:03.569 --> 00:31:07.170 before thee. For we know that thou art holy and 00:31:07.170 --> 00:31:10.569 dwellest in the heavens, and that we are unworthy 00:31:10.569 --> 00:31:16.069 before thee. Because of the fall, our natures 00:31:16.069 --> 00:31:21.430 have become evil continually. Nevertheless, O 00:31:21.430 --> 00:31:24.190 Lord, thou hast given us a commandment that we 00:31:24.190 --> 00:31:28.740 must call upon thee. And from the we may receive 00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:32.319 according to our, that from the we may receive 00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:37.099 according to our desires. So he actually says, 00:31:37.900 --> 00:31:45.220 our natures have become evil continually. What 00:31:45.220 --> 00:31:48.559 does that mean? Our natures have become evil 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.559 continually. Well, again. We deal with temptation. 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.980 We deal with the effects. It's part of the mortal 00:31:55.980 --> 00:31:58.039 world. The whole thing, right? We're in that 00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:00.519 fallen state. This is the brother of Jared saying 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.720 that. Yeah, yeah. So what makes me think that 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.920 I need to work until I can't work anymore, then 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:12.240 I can ask for help? Yeah, well, that's probably 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.599 one of those belief systems that we listened 00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:19.430 to incorrectly and forgot to ask. and work, you 00:32:19.430 --> 00:32:22.750 know, faith without works is dead. And we hear 00:32:22.750 --> 00:32:26.049 that cliche a lot. But you know, we can have 00:32:26.049 --> 00:32:27.950 all the faith we want, but if we don't get off 00:32:27.950 --> 00:32:30.349 the chair and start working or pick up the stones 00:32:30.349 --> 00:32:33.710 like the brother of Jared did, or whatever, it's 00:32:33.710 --> 00:32:36.309 like there's got to be action. Faith is also 00:32:36.309 --> 00:32:39.410 action. The thing that I love about this is that, 00:32:39.410 --> 00:32:42.269 you know, really the brother of Jared, he recognizes 00:32:42.269 --> 00:32:45.009 and acknowledges that he inherited weakness from 00:32:45.009 --> 00:32:49.549 mortality. But he also acknowledges and recognizes 00:32:49.549 --> 00:32:55.029 that his identity is that of a divine son. That's 00:32:55.029 --> 00:32:59.450 a perfect remembrance. Remembering who we are 00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:03.509 and whose we are, but then understanding where 00:33:03.509 --> 00:33:06.670 we are. Yeah, you know, and I think also the 00:33:06.670 --> 00:33:09.430 brother of Jared gives us a really great example 00:33:09.430 --> 00:33:12.029 here, you know, and it might be easy to say, 00:33:12.130 --> 00:33:14.529 well, yeah, well, this isn't about sin or about 00:33:14.529 --> 00:33:16.970 some big difficulty. It was about a big difficulty. 00:33:17.289 --> 00:33:19.529 Really what the brother of Jared realizes is 00:33:19.529 --> 00:33:21.930 that we're not our problems, you know, or we 00:33:21.930 --> 00:33:24.150 could say we're not our temptations. We're not 00:33:24.150 --> 00:33:26.069 our problems. We're not our difficulties. We're 00:33:26.069 --> 00:33:29.579 not even our fallenness. Yeah, we're his. Well, 00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:31.839 and we don't need to identify as that. Yeah. 00:33:32.059 --> 00:33:35.579 Oh, boy. How many times do we say, well, I am 00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:38.359 and, you know, well, this isn't filled in the 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.079 blank. Yeah. But OK, so let's talk about that 00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:44.299 for a second. I say it all the time. Yeah. And 00:33:44.299 --> 00:33:46.460 every time I go to an alcoholics anonymous meeting, 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.940 I introduce myself as my name Scott and I'm an 00:33:48.940 --> 00:33:52.200 alcoholic. Now, they know. And, you know, I mean, 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.880 it is because that's part of the customary tradition 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.490 there. That's what we do. And they know when 00:33:57.490 --> 00:34:00.630 I refer to myself as an alcoholic, and oftentimes 00:34:00.630 --> 00:34:03.990 they'll say my recovery dates October 26, 1998, 00:34:04.049 --> 00:34:06.589 or whatever the case may be. So there's the presumption 00:34:06.589 --> 00:34:08.750 there that it's a recovering alcoholic or an 00:34:08.750 --> 00:34:09.849 alcoholic can recover. Why don't you say I'm 00:34:09.849 --> 00:34:11.809 a recovering alcoholic? I don't know. Sometimes 00:34:11.809 --> 00:34:14.849 I do. Yeah, sometimes I do. I don't think it 00:34:14.849 --> 00:34:18.690 matters. I've thought about that, and I have 00:34:18.690 --> 00:34:21.690 an opinion that I don't want others to think 00:34:21.690 --> 00:34:25.179 that if they say it, that I'm judging them. But 00:34:25.179 --> 00:34:27.699 I have an opinion about that. I want to be inclusive. 00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.900 I want to be the same as everybody else, not 00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:36.980 different, not better. I don't find hope in a 00:34:36.980 --> 00:34:40.739 situation where I have to rise up to a certain 00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:43.059 level. I feel hope in a situation where I'm more 00:34:43.059 --> 00:34:47.820 like everybody else. Equality. Yeah. I think 00:34:47.820 --> 00:34:50.519 that's how it is for me anyway. But, you know, 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:53.519 so we go to these meetings and oftentimes, in 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.800 fact, you've sponsored women in the program, 00:34:55.900 --> 00:35:00.739 I've sponsored men in the program. One of my 00:35:00.739 --> 00:35:05.219 closest, one of the people that means more to 00:35:05.219 --> 00:35:07.320 me than just about anybody else in this world, 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.599 he's like a son to me, told me one time, he says, 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:15.920 I'm not an alcoholic. And I said, okay. But he 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.960 came later to say, I'm an alcoholic. His identity 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.800 changed a little bit. But we get a little bit 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.039 confused sometimes around these identities, Dub. 00:35:26.739 --> 00:35:29.840 David and I had a conversation last season about 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:31.820 once an addict, always an addict. Dave says, 00:35:31.820 --> 00:35:34.199 I don't believe that. I don't believe that you 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.699 need to be an addict and say, I'm an addict. 00:35:36.739 --> 00:35:38.760 And I don't think that that's how we should identify 00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.019 ourselves. And I don't want to get into whether 00:35:41.019 --> 00:35:43.280 you should or whether you shouldn't. When I say 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.280 I'm an alcoholic, I'm not claiming a broken identity 00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.280 at all. That's not what I'm saying at all. What 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.139 I'm saying is when I say that I am an alcoholic, 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.039 I'm just acknowledging my mortal nature, Deb. 00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.260 That's it. It's not a broken identity or an identity 00:35:59.260 --> 00:36:03.119 of brokenness. It's a nature of mortality, just 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.900 like some of the others. A lot of times, Deb, 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:08.860 when we think about what's our true identity. 00:36:09.070 --> 00:36:11.090 I mean, that's really we talked about that a 00:36:11.090 --> 00:36:13.409 lot. You know, what's our identity? Who am I? 00:36:13.630 --> 00:36:15.769 Who's am I? I mean, that was our first podcast, 00:36:16.250 --> 00:36:18.690 our identity, we really get a glimpse of our 00:36:18.690 --> 00:36:20.929 identity through the fall of Adam and Eve. Because 00:36:20.929 --> 00:36:22.889 if it wasn't for the fall of Adam and Eve, we 00:36:22.889 --> 00:36:26.969 wouldn't know that we have a dependence on our 00:36:26.969 --> 00:36:30.010 savior and furthermore we wouldn't even know 00:36:30.010 --> 00:36:33.170 that that the stories behind all of that we wouldn't 00:36:33.170 --> 00:36:35.050 know the story of the pre -existence we wouldn't 00:36:35.050 --> 00:36:37.090 know the pillar of creation we wouldn't know 00:36:37.090 --> 00:36:39.250 the pillar of the fall of adam and eve we wouldn't 00:36:39.250 --> 00:36:41.550 know the pillar of the atonement of jesus christ 00:36:41.550 --> 00:36:43.489 we wouldn't have any idea of any of that but 00:36:43.489 --> 00:36:46.250 but above maybe all of that we definitely would 00:36:46.250 --> 00:36:50.269 have a we wouldn't know who we were or who we 00:36:50.269 --> 00:36:52.730 are. Our identity would be really messed up. 00:36:52.929 --> 00:36:55.369 Well, and I think it's important for us to have 00:36:55.369 --> 00:36:59.630 that connection of remembrance because it is 00:36:59.630 --> 00:37:04.090 so repetitive that I think sometimes we say, 00:37:04.269 --> 00:37:06.190 oh, yeah, yeah, we lived in a pre -existence. 00:37:06.269 --> 00:37:08.329 Oh, yeah, Adam and Eve, which took the fruit. 00:37:08.409 --> 00:37:10.510 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then they fell. 00:37:10.730 --> 00:37:13.849 And then now we're here having our mortal experience. 00:37:14.170 --> 00:37:18.760 But when we push pause, and we literally feel 00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:24.420 of those moments of I am in a mortal state this 00:37:24.420 --> 00:37:28.179 hurts this situation these things that I'm experiencing 00:37:28.179 --> 00:37:31.599 this story that is happening in front of me right 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:36.800 now is excruciating I don't like when there is 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.719 contention I don't like I mean you know so I 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:43.739 think as we as we understand and personalize 00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:49.530 that you know, this fallen state is intentional. 00:37:50.030 --> 00:37:53.269 And there is, this isn't an accident. This is 00:37:53.269 --> 00:37:55.789 just like the atonement wasn't the backup plan. 00:37:56.150 --> 00:37:58.510 Neither are the challenges that we go through. 00:37:58.969 --> 00:38:02.110 And so oftentimes I have to ask myself, all right, 00:38:02.210 --> 00:38:04.789 what do I get to learn from this? Because again, 00:38:05.070 --> 00:38:07.469 as I always say, no growing in the comfort zone, 00:38:07.610 --> 00:38:09.730 no comfort in the growing zone. It's like, now 00:38:09.730 --> 00:38:12.809 I get to learn something. So what is it that 00:38:12.809 --> 00:38:17.840 I get to learn? Cause oftentimes I'm not willing. 00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:23.199 You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Heard this, been 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:25.780 there, done that. Kicking and screaming. Yeah. 00:38:25.900 --> 00:38:29.179 Yeah. Yeah, I get it. Well, and I think that 00:38:29.179 --> 00:38:31.500 we do need to be careful that we don't let our 00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:35.800 sins, our fallenness, our fallen state identify 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:37.960 us. We really need to focus on our trait, not 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.599 our state. Right. Right. I love that. I love 00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:43.500 that we focus on our trait. Yeah. Because I'm 00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:47.280 not my story. No, I'm not. you know this I'm 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.639 not a victim I'm not a perpetrator I'm not you 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.940 know I I'm not all of those things I am a divine 00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:57.039 daughter of God but sometimes it's easy sometimes 00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:59.900 it's easy to feel like I am that well our accuser 00:38:59.900 --> 00:39:03.320 likes to be the accuser he's not our accuser 00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:06.780 he is the accuser and that's the point yes that's 00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:09.500 the point and again one of the reasons why we 00:39:09.500 --> 00:39:13.469 are so dependent on the atonement of Jesus Christ 00:39:13.469 --> 00:39:15.750 to answer the effects of the fall of Adam and 00:39:15.750 --> 00:39:19.090 Eve. Identity is so important, knowing who we 00:39:19.090 --> 00:39:21.750 are. And we do have this dual nature, right? 00:39:21.829 --> 00:39:26.230 We're fallen. We are just fallen. It's like we're 00:39:26.230 --> 00:39:30.550 living pure opposition. What did the brother 00:39:30.550 --> 00:39:33.690 of Jared say? That our natures have become evil. 00:39:34.130 --> 00:39:36.590 Our natures, not that we, but our natures have 00:39:36.590 --> 00:39:41.550 become evil continually. And so, you know, Deb, 00:39:42.050 --> 00:39:44.070 well, how do you deal with that? You know, that 00:39:44.070 --> 00:39:46.849 question gets often asked. So how do you deal 00:39:46.849 --> 00:39:48.909 with it? And, you know, we've heard the story 00:39:48.909 --> 00:39:51.730 in the past of the of the Indian chief and the 00:39:51.730 --> 00:39:53.969 two wolves. I have a little different story. 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:57.039 tonight that kind of goes kind of goes along 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.260 with that. So this is about identity and really 00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:05.039 understanding who we are and maybe can give us 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.980 a little inspiration on how we can deal with 00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:09.960 the effects of the fall of Adam and Eve. There 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:13.119 was once a man, a good man standing quietly in 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.139 a studio and he didn't even realize it, but he 00:40:15.139 --> 00:40:18.030 was being sculpted. Two artists were at work. 00:40:18.230 --> 00:40:21.250 One, steady and strong, was called Truth. The 00:40:21.250 --> 00:40:24.630 other, shadowy and sharp, was called Lies. Both 00:40:24.630 --> 00:40:27.949 had chisels. Both knew his shape, but only one 00:40:27.949 --> 00:40:30.949 could touch him at a time. Truth worked patiently, 00:40:31.250 --> 00:40:34.829 tapping gently, revealing the divine image beneath 00:40:34.829 --> 00:40:38.989 the stone. His hands were firm but kind, revealing 00:40:38.989 --> 00:40:42.789 the man's nobility, purpose, and potential. Every 00:40:42.789 --> 00:40:46.889 strike was done with love. But when the man doubted 00:40:46.889 --> 00:40:49.030 when he feared and when he forgot who he was 00:40:49.030 --> 00:40:52.630 he handed the chisel to lies lies wasted no time 00:40:52.630 --> 00:40:55.869 he struck with shame carved with criticism and 00:40:55.869 --> 00:40:59.309 chipped away identity with whispers like You'll 00:40:59.309 --> 00:41:03.070 never change. It's just who you are. You're broken 00:41:03.070 --> 00:41:08.230 and Everybody knows it you're a fake the man 00:41:08.230 --> 00:41:11.780 winced, but he said nothing Days passed, sometimes 00:41:11.780 --> 00:41:15.099 weeks, sometimes months. And until one day, exhausted 00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:19.639 and empty, he cried out, who am I really? And 00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:21.820 in that moment, he noticed something for the 00:41:21.820 --> 00:41:25.360 first time. Truth was still there. Chisel in 00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.619 hand, eyes full of light, waiting. Without a 00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:30.599 word, the man reached out and took the chisel 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.960 from lies and handed it back to truth. And the 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.619 shaping began again, this time with clarity, 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:41.250 this time with purpose. this time in partnership. 00:41:41.610 --> 00:41:44.349 Because the man had learned he is not the stone, 00:41:45.070 --> 00:41:48.250 he is the sun. And the sculptor who holds the 00:41:48.250 --> 00:41:53.309 chisel matters more than the marble. Wow, I love 00:41:53.309 --> 00:41:57.960 that. Yeah. Again, willingness. And deciding 00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:02.599 who we are, right? Who we are is very much a 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:06.320 choice. I mean, our choice doesn't really change 00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.699 the inherent fact of anything, but it aligns 00:42:09.699 --> 00:42:13.219 us with the inherent fact that we are sons and 00:42:13.219 --> 00:42:17.219 daughters of heavenly parents. I agree. So easy 00:42:17.219 --> 00:42:20.449 to get dismembered. So important that we understand 00:42:20.449 --> 00:42:22.829 it though and understand the effects that it 00:42:22.829 --> 00:42:26.289 has on us and you know last week you mentioned 00:42:26.289 --> 00:42:29.070 at the end of the Episode that you know, we should 00:42:29.070 --> 00:42:31.690 probably be grateful for the fall fact I think 00:42:31.690 --> 00:42:34.369 you asked her the students at Institute last 00:42:34.369 --> 00:42:38.530 week how many of you Have actually said a prayer 00:42:38.530 --> 00:42:41.210 and thanked Heavenly Father for the fall And 00:42:41.210 --> 00:42:44.170 there were hands. I could not believe that. These 00:42:44.170 --> 00:42:47.130 kids are beyond amazing. I swear we should sit 00:42:47.130 --> 00:42:48.670 in the audience and let them teach us. So why 00:42:48.670 --> 00:42:51.869 should we be thankful for the fall again? Well, 00:42:52.150 --> 00:42:56.909 for me, being grateful for the fall helps me 00:42:56.909 --> 00:42:59.389 remember that there's purpose in all things. 00:42:59.409 --> 00:43:03.389 Yeah. And I am here for a really big purpose. 00:43:04.170 --> 00:43:07.289 And so when I do fall and I live in a sinful 00:43:07.289 --> 00:43:11.869 world, I live in a fallen state. in a fallen 00:43:11.869 --> 00:43:15.889 world. And when I realize that I get bad news 00:43:15.889 --> 00:43:19.250 or there's things going on, that there is a reason. 00:43:19.710 --> 00:43:23.630 These are not accidents. These are not coincidences. 00:43:24.190 --> 00:43:27.050 These are not, I mean, some things are, yes, 00:43:27.170 --> 00:43:30.510 by choice. When I consciously make a choice to 00:43:30.510 --> 00:43:33.570 disobey, there are consequences that come, absolutely. 00:43:34.489 --> 00:43:37.489 But the other thing is when I don't make that 00:43:37.489 --> 00:43:39.590 conscious choice and there's still news that 00:43:39.590 --> 00:43:43.250 comes to me or information that comes to me, 00:43:43.510 --> 00:43:46.730 I get to remember, I get to learn something from 00:43:46.730 --> 00:43:52.090 this. Being grateful for the fall keeps me in 00:43:52.090 --> 00:43:56.889 that thinking celestial perspective. that it's 00:43:56.889 --> 00:43:59.110 like, there's a reason. There's a reason I'm 00:43:59.110 --> 00:44:00.769 going through this. There's a reason why I'm 00:44:00.769 --> 00:44:03.769 seeing this. There's a reason why I have, you 00:44:03.769 --> 00:44:06.710 know, there's always a reason. And the reason 00:44:06.710 --> 00:44:10.849 why today that I know that is because of my past 00:44:10.849 --> 00:44:14.789 seeing God's hand literally at work in my life. 00:44:15.030 --> 00:44:18.630 And I thank him every day for eyes to see that 00:44:18.630 --> 00:44:21.650 because I know there's a lot of people that have 00:44:21.650 --> 00:44:25.929 not been able to see his hand in their life. 00:44:25.769 --> 00:44:31.590 But I can tell you, you can see it if you kneel 00:44:31.590 --> 00:44:34.989 down and pray and ask that I'll have eyes to 00:44:34.989 --> 00:44:37.550 see why I'm going through this challenge, why 00:44:37.550 --> 00:44:40.750 I've been laid off for two years, why I had to 00:44:40.750 --> 00:44:43.269 bury a child, a parent, a sibling, whatever, 00:44:43.769 --> 00:44:49.210 a spouse. There is so many things that we will 00:44:49.210 --> 00:44:54.250 just not know the answer to. in this mortal existence. 00:44:54.789 --> 00:44:58.349 I remember listening to a conference talk about 00:44:58.349 --> 00:45:03.610 mortality works. In October of 2024, Brooks P. 00:45:03.650 --> 00:45:07.869 Hales gave a talk about mortality works. And 00:45:07.869 --> 00:45:12.739 he talked about, I mean, the overall... thing 00:45:12.739 --> 00:45:16.699 was despite the challenges we all face, our loving 00:45:16.699 --> 00:45:19.820 Heavenly Father has designed the plan of happiness 00:45:19.820 --> 00:45:25.599 such that we are all not destined to fall. Just 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:27.300 because we're in a fallen state does not mean 00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:30.780 we're going to fall eternally. I loved that. 00:45:30.780 --> 00:45:34.199 I loved that talk. I loved that hope and he talked 00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.760 about a sister who had been through so many challenges 00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:45.420 and how she Anyway, came back and said, you know 00:45:45.420 --> 00:45:49.780 what? It's all in divine order. Mortality works. 00:45:50.179 --> 00:45:52.460 There's a reason for all of this. And I love 00:45:52.460 --> 00:45:56.440 that. So that's why I think we should be grateful 00:45:56.440 --> 00:46:00.869 for the fall. And I agree, you know, I'm with, 00:46:01.110 --> 00:46:05.489 you know, Nephi when he in Second Nephi 4 says, 00:46:05.849 --> 00:46:08.670 Oh, wretched man that I am. And he goes on and 00:46:08.670 --> 00:46:10.690 talks about that. And then he and then he says, 00:46:10.690 --> 00:46:14.710 Nevertheless, I know in whom I have trusted. 00:46:15.309 --> 00:46:17.650 And that's that's how it is for me. You know, 00:46:17.650 --> 00:46:19.289 I've definitely been a wretched man. I've been 00:46:19.289 --> 00:46:21.690 no Nephi. Don't get me wrong. Make no mistake 00:46:21.690 --> 00:46:24.610 about that. However, I have been a wretched man 00:46:24.610 --> 00:46:29.989 and I also know in whom I now trust. And I'm 00:46:29.989 --> 00:46:32.210 thankful for the fall, Dub. If it hadn't have 00:46:32.210 --> 00:46:34.630 been for that, if it hadn't have been for my 00:46:34.630 --> 00:46:38.489 personalized experience with the fall, and I 00:46:38.489 --> 00:46:41.269 think that's important. My personalized experience 00:46:41.269 --> 00:46:43.449 was not the same as your personalized experience, 00:46:43.449 --> 00:46:45.809 and it wasn't the same as my brother Mark's personalized 00:46:45.809 --> 00:46:47.710 experience, and it wasn't the same as any of 00:46:47.710 --> 00:46:49.349 my other siblings, and it wasn't the same as 00:46:49.349 --> 00:46:52.250 my parents, and it wasn't the same as, and others 00:46:52.250 --> 00:46:54.170 will say, yeah, but Scott, you made those choices. 00:46:54.409 --> 00:46:57.530 Okay, I made those choices, but it was my personalized 00:46:57.530 --> 00:47:00.099 experience of the fall. that has given me the 00:47:00.099 --> 00:47:05.480 depth of gratitude of for and towards our Heavenly 00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:08.099 Father because of the gift of His Son. And what 00:47:08.099 --> 00:47:11.699 a gift that is to so many that are trying to 00:47:11.699 --> 00:47:16.460 fill that gap from their despair, their choices 00:47:16.460 --> 00:47:23.840 in getting in the world of addiction. and alcoholism, 00:47:24.059 --> 00:47:27.039 and to be able to see and listen to what you 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:31.780 share that offers nothing but hope. I don't know. 00:47:32.059 --> 00:47:34.699 I think for so many of us, you're no different. 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:38.840 Most of us are just no different. We live and 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:40.780 die by comparison, and we know that comparison 00:47:40.780 --> 00:47:45.179 is the thief of joy. And so I compare my fallenness 00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:48.539 to the fallenness of those around me. And though, 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:52.059 especially the fallen, you know, and I hesitate 00:47:52.059 --> 00:47:53.739 to say it like that, because I don't see anybody 00:47:53.739 --> 00:47:56.380 around me is particularly fallen. I'm just acknowledging 00:47:56.380 --> 00:47:59.340 that we're all fallen and living and continue 00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:03.199 in living, experiencing evil continually or whatever 00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:05.960 it said. I'm just acknowledging that. But, you 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:07.940 know, I think sometimes that by comparison, I 00:48:07.940 --> 00:48:10.960 look at my fallenness and my experience with 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.539 the fall and I judge it because I think others 00:48:13.539 --> 00:48:16.920 are too probably. which is so wrong, but I probably 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:18.940 do, right? I mean, that's probably the truth. 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.039 And so because I feel like somebody might be 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:25.280 judging my experience of the fall or that my 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:28.860 or let me back that up because I'm judging and 00:48:28.860 --> 00:48:32.579 comparison by comparison and contrast my experience 00:48:32.579 --> 00:48:35.260 of all of somebody else's and the way that I 00:48:35.260 --> 00:48:38.420 think I see them responding to those experiences. 00:48:38.420 --> 00:48:40.400 I don't see them really, but the way I think 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.860 I see them responding to those experiences that 00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:46.800 creates even a deeper fallenness for me. Does 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.980 that make sense? Absolutely. And I think also 00:48:49.980 --> 00:48:55.579 it intensifies when we put out on social media 00:48:55.579 --> 00:48:59.449 all of our you know, that facade of perfection, 00:49:00.329 --> 00:49:02.090 of look at me, look what I did, look what my 00:49:02.090 --> 00:49:04.789 kids do, look where we're going, look how, look 00:49:04.789 --> 00:49:07.130 what we're eating for dinner. I mean, it's, it 00:49:07.130 --> 00:49:10.550 intensifies by, cause it's like, wow, I had a 00:49:10.550 --> 00:49:13.230 peanut butter sandwich, you know, kind of thing. 00:49:13.510 --> 00:49:17.989 But that comparison is a real mortal experience. 00:49:18.530 --> 00:49:21.769 That is, you know, as, and yes, we can look at 00:49:21.769 --> 00:49:24.769 it and be happy for people and, but in the, in 00:49:24.769 --> 00:49:27.829 this, in the reality of it, It's like, well, 00:49:27.929 --> 00:49:30.070 what can I put on my social media that's going 00:49:30.070 --> 00:49:34.289 to show that? Again, and I call it the facade 00:49:34.289 --> 00:49:39.769 of perfection, because as much as I say we don't 00:49:39.769 --> 00:49:42.869 put our... are negative things on there, they 00:49:42.869 --> 00:49:45.570 do. I mean, there are negativity on there. We 00:49:45.570 --> 00:49:47.329 can talk about that another time too, because 00:49:47.329 --> 00:49:50.329 that becomes somebody's identity often too. Right. 00:49:50.429 --> 00:49:52.190 And there's payoff to that identity. I have been 00:49:52.190 --> 00:49:56.369 known to identify as, you know, poor me and look 00:49:56.369 --> 00:49:59.969 what happened. And I get it. I understand it. 00:50:00.250 --> 00:50:03.909 But in the same sense, it's like, I have got 00:50:03.909 --> 00:50:08.909 to stay completely vertical and not compare horizontally. 00:50:09.030 --> 00:50:12.880 That's it. That's it. Like where is my identity? 00:50:12.980 --> 00:50:18.480 It is straight vertical. It is asking him Remembering 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:21.280 him easy to say that when we're talking in our 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.800 little space down here on a podcast It's a totally 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.059 different story when we walk out that front door 00:50:26.059 --> 00:50:29.199 in the and the world hits us in the face Because 00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.300 that's just how it is for all of us and it's 00:50:31.300 --> 00:50:33.320 gonna be that way for all of us again I mentioned 00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:35.820 I kind of started earlier. I've been feeling 00:50:35.820 --> 00:50:41.869 particularly fallen this past week. I have just 00:50:41.869 --> 00:50:44.769 been feeling the effects. Physically, I have 00:50:44.769 --> 00:50:48.449 my health hasn't been amazing. It's been pretty 00:50:48.449 --> 00:50:51.929 challenging. There's just that and overwhelming 00:50:51.929 --> 00:50:56.510 with work and kids stuff and just so much potential 00:50:56.510 --> 00:50:59.230 things, so many things to potentially worry about. 00:51:00.010 --> 00:51:02.030 There's only one thing that our focus should 00:51:02.030 --> 00:51:06.889 be on. Look unto me in every thought. Doubt not. 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.320 Fear not. That's so much easier said than done. 00:51:10.539 --> 00:51:12.920 Yeah, let's just do the whole scripture, and 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.400 this is a good one to end on. So this is in Doctrine 00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.920 and Covenants, section six. Verse 36, right? 00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.440 You probably haven't memorized, sweetie, do you? 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:26.119 Verse 36. Look unto me in every thought. Doubt 00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:29.260 not. Fear not. Behold the wounds which pierce 00:51:29.260 --> 00:51:31.500 my side and also the prints of the nails in my 00:51:31.500 --> 00:51:35.409 hands and feet. Be faithful. Keep my commandments 00:51:35.409 --> 00:51:38.210 and you shall inherit the kingdom of heaven And 00:51:38.210 --> 00:51:39.909 I think we can inherit the kingdom of heaven 00:51:39.909 --> 00:51:42.710 a little bit at a time and in small increments 00:51:42.710 --> 00:51:45.789 here, Deb I think sometimes we can feel peace 00:51:45.789 --> 00:51:48.449 in the storm. I think that sometimes we can feel 00:51:48.449 --> 00:51:51.730 calm in our worry I think sometimes we can feel 00:51:51.730 --> 00:51:55.530 Comforted in our physical and mental and emotional 00:51:55.530 --> 00:51:58.650 pain. I think that sometimes we can and on and 00:51:58.650 --> 00:52:01.989 on it goes on and on it goes. Yeah. You know, 00:52:02.190 --> 00:52:07.010 Sunday I was listening to a homecoming talk and 00:52:07.010 --> 00:52:09.250 it was mentioned in there that they pray every 00:52:09.250 --> 00:52:12.349 single hour. Yep. And I thought, wow, that is 00:52:12.349 --> 00:52:18.409 a committed reflection of prayer. And it just 00:52:18.409 --> 00:52:20.869 came to me, I thought, you know what? I'm going 00:52:20.869 --> 00:52:26.559 to put. DNC 636 and 37. And I'm going to read 00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:31.079 that every hour. I think that is something that 00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:35.219 resonates with me to look unto me in every thought, 00:52:35.219 --> 00:52:39.780 doubt not fear not. That would change me. That 00:52:39.780 --> 00:52:43.300 would change me. And again, when he's inviting 00:52:43.300 --> 00:52:46.079 us to look to him, where is he inviting us to 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:48.940 see him? Yeah, in the Garden of Gethsemane. On 00:52:48.940 --> 00:52:54.039 that cross. out of that tomb because there's 00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:57.280 so much hope. And I love that he kept the scars 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:02.500 on his hands to be reminded of what he truly 00:53:02.500 --> 00:53:06.679 did do for me and for all of us. We worship a 00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:11.340 God with scars. Well, anything else, sweetie? 00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.380 We'll continue this obviously next week again 00:53:16.380 --> 00:53:18.480 a little bit. It's just so important that we 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:24.599 understand. our personal roles in the fall, our 00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:26.760 personal experiences of the fall of Adam and 00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:28.460 Eve, and that we see them as personal, we know 00:53:28.460 --> 00:53:31.719 that also Christ's atonement for us was personal. 00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:35.679 It's part of the plan. Yeah. This is part of 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.599 the plan. And I think when I was able to embrace 00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.519 it and go, it's all in divine order. It's all 00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.219 in divine order. It's all in divine order. I 00:53:44.219 --> 00:53:46.739 keep saying that. Yeah. And I look unto him in 00:53:46.739 --> 00:53:49.940 every thought, doubt not, fear not. Well everybody 00:53:49.940 --> 00:53:52.179 thanks for being with us tonight as we close 00:53:52.179 --> 00:53:54.119 out today We just want to say with it wherever 00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:56.280 you are and however you're feeling you're welcome 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.199 to be here with us Jesus isn't just waiting for 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.260 you to clean up everything before you come to 00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:03.760 him He meets us right in the middle of our mess, 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.579 which is glorious. That's where his grace shines 00:54:07.579 --> 00:54:12.199 brightest So come as you are broken torn hopeful 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:16.179 questioning searching. You're not alone And we'd 00:54:16.179 --> 00:54:17.920 love to stay connected with you as I mentioned 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:19.860 earlier in the podcast If you have any thoughts 00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:22.059 questions stories or anything else to share, 00:54:22.219 --> 00:54:24.820 please send us an email You can do that at he 00:54:24.820 --> 00:54:29.559 redeems us at gmail .com We promise to read everyone 00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.860 and respond to as many as is appropriately possible 00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:36.599 And if this episode touched your heart We hope 00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.539 that you would share it with someone you love 00:54:38.539 --> 00:54:41.039 and care about a friend a family member Anyone 00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:44.300 who could use a little more hope right now? Next 00:54:44.300 --> 00:54:46.539 week, we're going to talk more about Jesus Christ, 00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:49.960 our Lord and Savior, how he doesn't just redeem 00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:53.280 us, but he heals us. He lifts us. He transforms 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:55.539 us. He helps us overcome the effects of the fall, 00:54:55.619 --> 00:54:57.699 and he does it in our everyday lives and in our 00:54:57.699 --> 00:55:00.980 everyday struggles. Thanks for being with us, 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:04.280 friends. And remember, there is always hope through 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:08.400 him, because you and I have been redeemed through 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.659 his blood. Thanks for being with us, everybody. 00:55:11.179 --> 00:55:15.489 See you next time. you